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Note anyway there are already a bunch of feature films shot partially or entirely using a Canon EOS (generallly the 5D mark II or III, the latter being able to record 4K RAW 14bits, which is more than the FX3) and ML, e.g. Rubber

shotonwhat is a great resource to find out: 5D2, 5D3

Get creative with your mind, a camera is just a camera and ML is just software.

Interesting. Ironically I don't see anything on that site shot with the 650D or 700D but plenty shot solely with the 550D/T2i. I don't plan on investing in a new camera anytime soon and will definitely make due with what I have. The creativity is there, I just need to develop the skills to apply it and bring what's in my mind to video.

As stated by The Creator DP team itself, the fuzz about the Sony FX3 is just unbelievable: the decision was mostly driven by a practical question of size and freedom of movement, the camera being maybe the less important ingredient to create a "cinematic movie" if you consider the whole equation "scenario+talents+production design+lighting+lens+camera+postprod".

Then think about how good a FX3 is compared to the cameras used to shoot movies in the last 50 years and imagine what Spielberg would have done back then with any potatoe cam or an iPhone...

So if you got 4K$ left you'd better invest them in good locations, costumes, lighting or maybe lenses if you want to achieve a "cinematic" movie.

Note anyway the biggest difference between any ML-augmented camera and the FX3 is the reliability: ML is basically a hack, meaning you WILL struggle with unexpected camera stops, limited compatibility with external monitors and recorders, limited focus capabilities, a painful post-production workflow due to MLV format, card spanning etc.

The main difference between a feature film and a short being money and time: it's ok to spend time with technical issues and to workaround limitations when alone without external/money pressure but barely possible when dealing with a full team of 50+ people and deadlines.

Interesting. I'm big on working with what you got. I think it would be a great challenge to attempt to shoot something noteworthy using ML. I think for the right type of movie, one could shoot it for less than $4k.

I was thinking about how there are Magic Lantern EOS M vids from almost 10 yrs ago on Youtube. Imagine 10 yrs of footage that you can use for a movie. All with little to no difference in quality. You could get so many great shots doing so many different things in so many different locations. The flashback potential would be insane.

Once I become proficient at photography/videography I will delve into cinematography and get creative with ML.

So I haven't seen the movie but I heard that "The Creator" was shot almost entirely with a Sony FX3. A $4k camera.

It got me thinking, can ML push these older DSLRs to produce something similar? I've seen some great short videos in 4k shot with ML but is that the extent of it? How does other content fair using Magic Lantern? I haven't seen anyone post any series, interviews, action scenes, tiktoks, vlogs, commercials, adult films, documentaries or movies. Just short films, usually scenic and a music video here and there.

If one took the time, could say, my Canon T4i with crop mood produce a 1-3hr cinematic movie? I'd love to see someone knowledgeable and resourceful commit to a project like that. I'm afraid it would take me years of learning to even come close to being able to attempt such a thing. Between ML, A.I software and all the technical stuff I don't know about, I'm sure some great things can be done, even with a small budget.

Two things to try (if you haven't already):
1) Run benchmark test for the card (as discussed in the sd overclocking thread).
2) Try both Access Modes, SDR50 and SDR104. One of my cards writes faster with SDR104, and the other one with SDR50. You change it by highlighting SD Overclock and pressing Q.

Thanks so much. I'll try that.

The sd overclocking is discussed here: https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=25841.0

Thanks. Yes I did. It seems as though it might be my card, maybe coupled with some other factors as well. It'd be helpful if there were comprehensive videos on this. I see so many videos of people shooting in raw but very little, if any, true videos explaining the process and their build. Almost like everyone's keeping the info to themselves. It's quite odd. Maybe they don't fully understand it enough to explain it.

I think this is ground breaking software and a great community that would grow substantially with a lot of money behind it if there were tutorials and lesson videos for curious beginners.

Not a specialist but I assume microSD is perfectly fine using a SD adapter.

For the "real" write speed of the different cards, please refer to this chart, showing what's really possible when the card is compatible with 240MHz overclocking (available with Bilal's "Crop Mood" Magic Lantern specific build) and it's activated.

Anyway I don't know if it's part of the 650D capabilities nor if it's really possible to shoot 4K with it... as far as I know, only the 5D3 is really capable to shoot (continuous) 4K at a decent framerate, mainly thanks to SD overclock and CF+SD card spanning capabilities.

Thanks a lot. I don't think I see my microSD cards on that list. I did watch the video you mentioned and set SD overclocking to 240MHz. I've since lowered it to 160MHz and tinkered with some of the movie settings and I'm able to shoot for at least 1min when everything is lowered. I haven't tried keeping the lowered settings while changing back to 240MHz but I probably should.

Based on the videos I've seen and what some have said on the forum, it seems that even 6k is possible, although I haven't seen any clips/scenes longer than a min. It's all too technical for me right now but I'll learn. I just learned about the exposure triangle less than 2 months ago so I have a long way to go.

So I recently bought a Canon T4i to pursue photography as a hobby. I did some due diligence on the camera and was blown away when I heard about ML. The thing is, I wasn't sure if I could use ML with microSD cards to shoot raw video or even to run ML on the camera.

I have two Sandisk micro SD cards with SanDisk MicroSD to SD Memory Card Adapters that I got for cheap a couple years ago.

The SanDisk 64GB Extreme Plus microSDXC UHS-I/U3 A2 Memory Card with Adapter, (Up to 200MB/s read and 90MB/s write speeds apparently)

The SanDisk 128GB Ultra PLUS 128GB microSDXC UHS-I Memory Card with Adapter (Up to 150MB/s read and an unknown write speed. Apparently.)

The SanDisk 128GB Extreme PLUS 128GB MicroSDXC UHS-I Memory Card (not the one I have) apparently has up to 200MB/s read and 90MB/s write speeds like the 64GB that I have and is $2 more than the "Ultra PLUS" version I have, at Best Buy.

I have no concept of what good read or write speeds are. I've read a few posts on different forums but I can't make anything out of it. Some cards apparently are too fast and others aren't fast enough.

I downloaded the ML nightly build for the 650D on the 64GB microSD and when I had difficulty changing the setting to shoot in 4k, I downloaded the "crop mood" version, which actually had a video on a build to shoot raw, on the 128GB microSD. The 128GB is what I have been trying to shoot on.

The videos are 1-2 seconds, blurry and very slow. It's so bad, I'm afraid it could mess up my card or camera. I'm not sure if it's the memory card or if I did something wrong in the settings but seeing all these beautiful videos here and on Youtube, I'd like to start shooting in 4k-6k myself instead of just taking photos.

Any help in this regard is greatly appreciated.

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