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Hi All,

Forgive me not being exactly on topic, but I want to gather the ML users in Burbank, Ca Oct. 3, 2015 for a symposium about ML, workflows, successes and challenges.

I've had great success with it and want to spread the word of how ML makes the most of 2k.  Today I named it ULTRA 2k.

(in daylight, low ISO)
https://vimeo.com/74455311

(blonde in black silk, hi ISO)
https://vimeo.com/77717260


Please advise where I should post this.  I really just want to see Magic Lantern is a success.

Thanks, dmilligan.

fascinating.

Thanks, dmilligan.

I emailed Roger regarding this issue to get his response.

As you may know the Canon 70D has an incredible breakthrough in focusing which is excellent for motion picture people.  See my tests of the rapid response of the 70D with a 70-200mm Canon lens.

http://vimeo.com/102350772

And more appropriately this test of noise between the 70D and 5D M3.

http://vimeo.com/101311268

So, I look forward to Magic Lantern unleashing the power of the 70D's sensor but I'm wondering if ML can do the whole job of removing noise or is the noise from the sensor itself (and not from compression and processing Canon does to the image) and ML will have little effect on it.

BTW, while I enjoy reading, I'd like your opinion.

I find myself in the position I was in when I asked an Alpine Electronics rep to tell me the things Alpine does behind the curtain to make their car stereos so much better than the competition.  He just smiled and shook his head, "Let's just say that it sounds better."  Later I found out the whole story (Alpine's the only car stereo manufacturer that doesn't make living room stereos. Hence Alpine uses only components designed to be in sub-zero and death valley temperature ranges, plus endure vibration tests, ambient noise in the car environment and on and on.  Everything they put in the stereo was designed to be in a car.)

This is a deep question for someone whose been "under the hood" of these Canon DSLRs.  Is the 70D's sensor noise (visible dancing in the gray tones when you get above ISO 800/1000 filming video) 1) just a function of the sensor itself and the 70D's ML RAW video will never look as good as the 5D M3's ML RAW video, or 2) a product of the cheaper components used for compression in the 70D (so if Canon put better components in, the "noise" would not be apparent until you reached ISO 1250 or even 2500), or 3) the processing path in the 70D is the same as the 7D's but Canon has turned off a few noise filters to degrade the image to align with the 70D's price point (and make the 7D seem like a "step up" in quality)? 

I heard that often it costs so much to make a variety of chips that Japanese manufacturers had the same chips in their gear, and they would deactivate and activate features to make the higher priced gear appear better, but the innards are all the same.

With that said, here is my final question: So, has the ML update that's working in other Canon DSLRs helped other Canon DSLR sensors become more noise free? Or is the sensor/processing flow just "noisier" and the ML workaround won't bypass the "don't fix the noise" switches I'm guessing exist?

Thanks, Shoot...

Is there a ML update for the 70D?  I didn't think there was one yet to try out.

Best,

Fletch

Thanks, Yuppa.  So do we have to wait for the 70D Mark II?

Fletch

[Does anyone know what bit rate the 70D's capable of processing and what bit rate would be required to output ML raw video off the sensor to the card?]

re: 70D
Hi.  I'm the emmy award-wining DP "justshootme" referred to.  We're finishing a documentary of cranberry harvest in Oregon and the 70D proves itself to be light years ahead of other cameras in the doc style shooting.  Instant focus both through the touch screen and AF button enables a doc cameraperson to keep up with the action and be in focus.  Only downside for me is the noise that begins to appears at ISO 800-1000.  So if and when ML takes off the shackles of the 70D it will be without a doubt the best for the street (outside-the-studio, no focus puller) filmmaker. 

Does anyone know what bit rate the 70D's capable of processing and what bit rate would be required to output ML raw video off the sensor to the card?  I read sometime back on the ML website that the 70D never would be capable of ML because it's processor couldn't handle the bit rate.

(And just to finish my findings on focus - The GH4 takes 3.5 seconds to find focus. The Sony a7s takes longer and does that disgusting creeping in on the final mark which by that time is now out of focus.  Focus first.   That's the priority of the cameraperson. The 70D's a dream to use in a fast0-unfolding scene.  I'm going on about this because so many "experts" jump over the primary responsibility of the cinematographer so they can talk about how new cameras can shoot 4K or at insanely high ISOs.  What does it matter if the shot's out of focus.  The 70D is the quiet king of the hill.  The only flaw is the sensor.  For fast focus, the 70 D is king. Please see this video to see how it performs: 

  http://youtu.be/zzkGf8tTa1M.