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#1
Tutorials and Creative Uses / post AETTR workflow
October 13, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
Hello there.

I was wondering if anyone will be so kind to share the way they work post with time-lapse AETTR, flicker and stuff.

OK, here is what I'm doing so far.

I import to Lightroom, play with setting, export to tiff, use QT 7 to export Prores 422 HQ.

I also did a night to day time lapse with AETTR and av ramp...
color and exposure is much better for night but for day color is wrong and a bit too dark..
is there a smart way to ramp tempeture and exposure, without going one by one? i got like 450 pics..

I don't use After Effets and I edit on FCPX...have Lightroom..

anyone has a good workflow for this situation?

thanks in advance...will share a few timelapse test soon..thanks.
#2
really really nice.

it gives me a headache to imaging how you piece it together...so many little details....good job.

are those effects hand made or some sort of prebuid preset? i imaging is done in after effects right?
how long did it take you to edit?

thanks for sharing.
#3
General Help Q&A / Re: no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 11:23:40 PM
WHAT.......ARE YOU KIDDING ME.....hehehe...wuao..that makes sense now....i still don´t know if you are joking...

surprised that nobody mentioned earlier...
surprised that it shows as an option if it wont work...
i thought renato was using it in his 600d...
i miss that...

Oh well...thank you so much for your help...
bytheway..

love your work..love you style...and i hope to lean more..

THANKS.
#4
General Help Q&A / Re: no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: a1ex on October 04, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
ETTR is more than 3 months old, and this problem went unnoticed until now?!

hi.

it was working before... more or less..but switched to my 5dmark ii because it was more stable there...

i came back to my 600d to try again with the latest build..thinking that by now all will be easier..and found this..

have not idea what i could be doing wrong since i tried everything i mentioned earlier...maybe i´m not installing properly..don´t know..I think i´m doing all the proper steps but don´t know why it wont work...

is there a debug or screen shot i can show you where it could show the problem.....

thanks
#5
General Help Q&A / Re: no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on October 04, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Maybe it is not enabled in nightly builds.  Try 1% builds here:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-2.0/downloads
I think the latest is NewMem.zip

thanks renato...tried your link..newmem..and same thing.....no working...weird..wonder what i'm doing wrong.

do you have latest build on 600d? working?

can't think of anything else to try..

in live view it adjust to correct ETTR..
but out of it it won't..also in intervalometer won't work either..

wuao..very tricky stuff..

#6
General Help Q&A / Re: no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on October 04, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Post all of the settings under ETTR


I delete ML from card and dropped the new build 2013-10-03 on my card.

in pref i restored ML settings
in module i turn ON ETTR (only thing that is ON)


Auto ETTR Always ON
trigger mode Always ON
slowest shutter 1/16
exposure target -05EV
highlight ignore 0.2%
allow clipping OFF
MIdtone SNR 6EV
Shadow SNR 2EV
link to canon shutter OFF
link to Dual ISO ON  (this is how it comes as default)
show metered areas OFF
show debug inf OFF



OK..one more thing...maybe a bug..

in ML menu...when i select a setting in MOVIE MODE and I scroll up or down i can switch from setting to settings and make changes
BUT..in M mode if i scroll up or down it changes the values of current setting but not moving up or down in the menu.

is this a bug or is how its suppose to be?

thanks.
#7
General Help Q&A / Re: no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
yes..image review 4 sec

#8
General Help Q&A / Re: no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 04:11:38 PM
nope..ISO on camera is set to 800...i check that to make sure that wasn't it..

no beeps after a pic is taken..

in live view it does adjust..


no beeps..i point the camera to different place to let it adjust and nothing..

do you have the 600d and it works fine?

thanks dmilligan
#9
General Help Q&A / no ETTR on 600d/t3i
October 04, 2013, 03:59:58 PM
I'm the only one.


Canon t3i/ build 2013-10-03  ( erased all ML from card an dropped the new build)

Camera setting

set to M
image review 4 sec
Quality Raw

ML setting

Modules...the only thing set in ETTR OK
Expo.  Auto ETTR Always ON, everything else default

Overlay
Global draw ON all modes
Zebras RAW RGB
Histogram RAW Histogram, ETTR hint

everthing else is in default..

I take photos but ETTR is not adjusting..took many many..not adjusting...if i turn on live view it works fine..shows the new beautiful menu bar, all the information is there and adjust the settings to optimal ETTR...

Is this a new thing?
it was working without live view before...


Thank you.
#10
sorry to highjack this thread...

i erased all ML from card..installed newest build (10-02) on my t3i...ETTR is not working


Camera on M
image Raw

Loaded ETTR on module
image review 2 sec
ETTR always on
the rest of the settings as default

I take many photos (also pointing at diferent spots) and setting don't adjust.
only when i switch to live view the camara adjust settings depending of where i point at.

so, i can't use it for intervalometer...it was working before the new build..

anyone else? any ideas..

sorry to bother...

#11
thanks so much...

I gave up on test cause i was spending too much time and had other things to take care off.

renato...I...yes..i didn't think about inetrvalometor having to be longer..i fixed it later..and test came similar.
and 1'6 was meant to be slowest shutter speed 1/6...I will try your suggestion ..thanks thou..i willl post a clip as soon as i get one to show. cheers

Doyle..I didn't know i had to go the exiftool to get the deflicker done...i was just importing straight to LR..I thought exiftool was just making each frame a exposure higher or lower..
what setting i should use for exiftool?  exposure -0.05%?
also will try you percentile at 75%
thanks a lot.


One thing i'm still trying to understand and maybe someone have the time to explain...ETTR seems to me to be a bit more inconsistent that if i just set an exposure and ramp the AV, or ISO...am i wrong? in terms of the posibility of ETTR making one frame a bit diferent than the one before..where if the set exposure will render the same exposure.

I'm asuming ETTR and deflicker is the best way to go..bacause i see all smart people talking about it..hehehehe..i guess i just have to get it right. will keep practicing...thanks to all here.
#12
Quote from: dmilligan on September 30, 2013, 12:55:26 PM
You say the previews look fine in Lr, but then it doesn't open right, to me this sounds like a problem with Lr. Do the images look okay in camera? Do they look okay if you open them in a different program? What happens if you just take some pictures with the same settings you have and open them in Lr. What if you put the camera in JPEG mode instead of RAW? Do you have dual_iso turned on? if so you'll have to preprocess them with cr2hdr first or they wont open correctly in other programs.



yes...you save me here..thank youuu...i was tired testing variations to find the error..and you help me solve this.

In case it happens to others.
I had press the link to dual iso in the auto ETTR menu but i did not load dual iso in the module menu.

I think this is what solve my issue.
now it loads fine in LR
back to more timelapses test.

thanks

I promise to read more ...hehehe...thanks
#13
my mind keeps insisting...

so i deleted ML from card..droped unified version..add it built 29-09..add it ad_int.mo..did a test and same things..frames look white as it updates previews..

so, i checked the settings and it looks like is doing the av ramp but the iso and shutter are not changing at all..from looking at the exposure setting (frame is all weird colored, not visible at all).

good nite.  :'(
#14
ok...reporting again..

did a few test...looks like it has to do with this module cause the image preview in the importing window in LR looks fine
but once imported into light room the become a white and colored mess...

I tried it with deflickerin on and off, with different intervals and always the same...

anybody else having issues..

arrrrrrr...

i rather be doing timelapses...hehehe

thanks.
#15
yes i see the A menu..


I'm doing a test in M mode..auto ETTR..always on....no deflickering...av ramp... intervalometerevery 6 sec..

weird..

doing another right now..with a higher intervalometer..now at 12sec..lowest shutter at 1/6..ETTR always on..no deflickering..
will let you know..if i get same messy frames again..

thanks
#16
also..i install the las built..sept 28..for 5dii...and drop the advent.mo in the module folder...is this right?

thanks
#17
weird...i did a short test and upload all  20 images time-lapse to lightroom and i see av ramping but all images are just white and weird ping stripes..can't see nothing...

follow all the steps as you wrote.

only thing i had is advance intervalometer ON , in A menu..could that be the problem..doubt it..will try
without.

thanks.
#18
sorry...

Canon 5dii
build...27 sept i believe..

photo Raw
image review 8sec
WB 4000


ML
auto ETTR Always on
slowest shutter 1'6
rest as stander

Pos deflicker on
adobe XMP
percentile 50%
target -4EV

Intrevalometer 5sec
start after 10 sec
stop off
focus ramp off

that's all..



PS: I think i got all settings right...so..my mind thinks maybe i'm doing the highly build update wrong..maybe missing something there.
just thinking... I try dropping the new build and replacing the one i had but i used to get an error message like..missing fonts..so now i replace everything but the fonts.DAT in the data folder...don't know..of course i replace the autoexec.bin..maybe this is not it..weird. oh well. right now trying the latest build with the av ramp..maybe i get lucky here..thanks a lot anyways.
#19
i must be too slow for this... :)

I'm trying de av-ramp....i got to set first keyframe...ok..that's good..how i set the last keyframe? sory if it was clear i did not see it.

I set the exposure values in canon..
i set a keyframe #1 in ML (A) menu

then what?

sorry...and thanks..
#20
I'm sorry Renato..but i'm back..hehehe.

I exported and as i thought the flickering is extreme....when i goes from exposure 0.00 to -1.2 is a big change..big changes in light exposure..

I imported into Lightroom (without passing thru exiftool) exported all as jpg..imported image sequence in QT7 and exported profess 422..just to test...

i have no idea what i could be doing wrong... :-\

thanks for all your help thou.

you all are the best.
#21
thanks Renato and Doyle..

I get it now...ETTL does not change f-stop...and exiftool..changes exposure to all them...


I imported to lightroom without going thru exiftool...and i got a constant change of exposure..almost every other frame has a different exposure value.. one frame exposure 0.00 next frame exposure... -1.2  for example..and it seems to be constant the out..

any ideas...

I'm about to give up and this and find other method or forget timelapse at all...hehehe.

thanks for all your help...

i know there was a new development with ramping but i'm hesitand to try since its taking me so long to get anything working..
I'm jelous of the people who are taking advantage of this wonderful developments..

THANK YOU for all your help.
#22
Renato...you are the best.

I'm at this great apartment with some amazing view for 1 more week and i wanted to get as many time lapse as possible while am here.
as..right now i got up early to do another night to day...since the day before didn't work...hehehe..that's my rush to learn as much as possible and i read too fast and miss somethings..sorry and thank youuu.

now i understand clear..the exirtool command..thank you.

maybe you might know this...I'm trying to understand what auto ETTL does..

I finished a night to day timelapse on my 5dii...

started at f-2.8, shutter 1/6, iso 1600

it seem to change iso and shutter but the f-stop was always 2.8

is this always like this? does auto ETTL adjust f-stop at all?

another day reading and reading tol earn more..thanks to all of you.
#23
Where the *.** is enter the amount you want to set
eg 0.05, next to the number you have chosen
Too the left is +
+=over expose
-= under exposure

I still have a doubt here...please forgive myself..maybe will make it even more clear...

if my images are overexpose by 1 EV i need to type this in the terminal..(mac)

exiftool -Exposure2012+=+1.00 /Users/Alaptop/desktop/folder

if my images are underexpose by 1 EV i need to type this...

exiftool -Exposure2012+=-1.00 /Users/Alaptop/desktop/folder

if this is right please let me know..
I also got the xml-original one time..should i copy them to a different folder or keep them there..
still doing tests..sorry for asking a lot.

so, i read that if i change exposure values in lightroom i lose all the deflickering from ML..right?
but i could change any other value and keep deflickering right?

thank youuuu.

#24
Quote from: Danne on September 28, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
Lightroom reads the xmp files just fine. See to it they are named the same as the cr2 files(I, m on a mac)

hi.

i only see the CR2 on the folder from my t3i..is the xmp hidden? how to make it visible?

thanks..

i still think that i'm not doing it right from the capture..so..i hope to get clear there too.

thanks.
#25
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 28, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
Not sure what expo ramp is, but yes anyway....  ;D

I just finished a test and i feel so stupid right now. It didn't work.
is ETTL supose to change shutter, f-top, iso to adjust exposure?

I know you were joking but i am still not sure what it does.
before this ETTL, intervalometor has a manuel ExpoRamp..i think it was called.

in my test nothing it changing.
i thought i follow all steps but must be missing something.

t3i
auto ETTL always on
intervalometor 5 sec
deflickering on
image review 8sec

is there other module that has to be active?
like auto exposure or something else.



Also read the Opening post for mac xmp workflow

but... I think Lightroom should be able to open the cr2 files and read the exposure adjustment included in the XMP file, even if you are on a mac.

I couldn't get the exiftool think to work..i read the steps and don't get it..don't work.

but i import to lightroom as many said it should work as well but..all my pics have the same settings and nothing changes.
i syncronised the folder..nothing..
i copied the card to my HDD and imported to LR..no xml shows thou..i think they must be hidden..but i'm thinking i must be doing something wrong from the capture moment.

sorry about the rant..anyone could shine some light in here please..????

thanks for your help..all its been all day reading about this..