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General Chat / Re: GPL issues with ML post processing software
« on: September 25, 2014, 08:28:22 PM »
Since you're an acquaintance of Worth, why don't you ask him directly?  Something like "Hey Tom, were any of your RAWMagic versions ever released with GPL code in violation of the GPL?"

That way, you won't have to engage with a bunch of open-source schoolchildren in a never-ending thread.  It'll be a win-win for everyone.

General Chat / Re: GPL issues with ML post processing software
« on: September 25, 2014, 07:38:07 PM »
Good grief, is this thread still running?

I guess it is now!   :) 

Your spin on "whats happened here" conveniently absolves Worth of any of his responsibilities.  Worth could have done any number of things to bring his software into compliance, including writing his own code for the functionality (since, you know, it's so trivial.)

You also completely mischaracterize some things.  First, Worth basically admitted to using ML code in previous versions of his proprietary, commercial software.  Second, I see little "shouting" by anyone in this thread - certainly not by ML devs.  If anyone is getting bent out of shape here, it seems to me it's Worth's users.  Would it be childish of me to assume you're one of them?    ::)

General Chat / Re: GPL issues with ML post processing software
« on: September 21, 2014, 03:16:14 PM »
It can not be excepted for all users on that thread to understand the GPL license, understand why sources we're being requested without making it clear as to why they were being requested and understand how RawMagic infringed GPL...

IMO you greatly underestimate the understanding of the GPL by this forum's users.

It is surely also the responsibility for the software developers who are having their code infringed upon to assert their position in no uncertain terms as soon as they are aware of an infringement and take robust action, whether that is banning, locking or legal proceedings, not leave it for months / year festering.

How is it you know exactly when the ML devs became aware of TW's infringement?  How is it you know when they first made it clear to TW that he was in violation of the GPL?  Are you assuming that all communication between the parties took place on threads in the open forum?  You are aware that this forum supports private messaging, are you not?

Rather than hiding behind the terms of the GPL license for months without actually reinforcing them as developers who are having their GPL code violated.

 :o  Wow.  That's a ah...astonishing statement.  Hiding behind GPL?  Seriously?

...there is more that could have been done earlier which wasn't...

So I guess if the current state of affairs could have been arrived at earlier, you would be happy.  I think I see where you're coming from now!   ::)

General Chat / Re: GPL issues with ML post processing software
« on: September 20, 2014, 09:53:07 PM »
Its funny because he could have released the source code freely and I bet 90% of his user base would not compile it. Just had to ask that nobody else post binaries.

That occurred to me as well.  Plus, he would have earned quite a bit of goodwill from...well, everyone.

some people seem mixing things up.
we are not starting a lawsuit against someone.

Wait...are you saying you don't have the inclination to pursue a costly, time-consuming lawsuit?  Say it ain't so!


General Chat / Re: GPL issues with ML post processing software
« on: September 20, 2014, 07:44:42 PM »
But where was the advice given regarding GPL infringement in the sequence of events? He's a commercial application developer , do they often provide source code?

What you should be asking is "How is it that a commercial application developer is unaware of the terms of the GPL?" and "Why would a commercial application developer need advice regarding GPL infringement?"

BTW, there's no requirement (in the US anyway) for the devs of ML to ask questions, advise, or to otherwise take preventative measures against infringement in order to have a valid legal claim against an infringer, as you seem to suggest.  Further, it's entirely appropriate for the devs to seek remedy once the infringement has been established.  IMO, Worth got off pretty lightly, given his initial evasiveness and subsequent whining about ML devs not releasing the code in question under LGPL.

Bottom line is that Worth, as a commercial developer, should have know better than to use GPL code in a commercial product without complying with the GPL terms.

Raw Video / Re: Getting higher resolution at low FPS in RAW video
« on: July 19, 2014, 04:26:50 PM »
Read this:

Your mind will be blown.   ;)

Raw Video / Re: Anyone try Raw with the 70D Yet??
« on: September 17, 2013, 04:26:20 AM »
Well, I don't know if this helps, but this guy seems to have managed to get ML doing RAW on his 70D...

[link removed]

Maybe he could make some contribution to the community?

I'm certainly no expert, but something about that video doesn't look quite right.

Rather than an example of RAW on 70D using ML, it seems to be an advert for a grading product called CineVision RAW.  If you go to the CineVision website, the product is available for...wait...wait for it...10 bucks.  Or 20 bucks.  It's kinda hard to tell.   :o

I call BS, but I'd be glad to eat my words if the producer of the vid shows up and contributes his code.

Feature Requests / Re: Idea - Ansel Adams metering
« on: September 16, 2013, 06:18:48 PM »
Ok, a basic mock-up.

You would select a zone or zone range - each zone would have a short description as per the AA zone system

Img1 - Zone VI selected - skin exposed correctly


I think this is an excellent idea.  As an old fart who learned the zone system in my youth, seeing the above mockup really rang my bell.

@Andy600, I'd be glad to help in some way if I can.  I got an environment set up last night and ran a successful build - but my programming skills pretty limited as well.  But I do have a lot of time on my hands (I'm retired), so maybe I can figure a way to contribute.

PM me or post to this thread if you make any headway...

Well done!

You guys are in Dallas, right?

General Help Q&A / Re: Regarding the format of recorded RAW files
« on: August 26, 2013, 02:14:48 PM »
I'm guessing you are looking for the raw2dng utility.  Get it  here.  Then read the beginner's guides in Walter's link.  First, check out RenatoPhoto's

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST

then read RenatoPhoto's

RAW Video: PostProcessing -- Beginners Guide

then read everything else!   ;)

User Introduction / Hello from Texas!
« on: August 26, 2013, 02:13:52 PM »
Greetings!  I've been fiddling around with ML for a couple of days now, and I'm simply blown away by the power ML has unlocked in my camera.   Thank you thank you thank you to everyone who has helped create and support ML development.


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