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Hi guys, there are lot of threads abot this but i would like to know something fresh.

I got a KB 1000x 64gb but i would like to invest in a couple more cards.

whic ones are the best at the momnent?

KB 128gb 1000 or 1050X

Sandisk?

Lexar?

Price is not a particular problem (under resonable values) but i need something really reliable.

Thanks a lot

Well if price is no object then Sandisk tops the charts for its quality control. But there are many levels of card so choose wisely.

Chose Extreme Pro for the top of the line, and even then take care to assure that its the latest edition. Some seller will sell you the right level card but not the latest edition which is a bit faster. Lexar is next in line.

Thanks a lot Krane.

Here in italy Sandisk is 3 times the price of a KB, does it really worth?

Lexar 1000x  are the only stable ones with out problems!
I have 2, I know they may be a bit pricey
But you pay for what you get.
I have been using Lexar since June or this year
And never had a problem ever.
But it you do some searches on the form
You will see many problems with them,
Like "can't get files off CF card" etc...
And the list goes on.
It's the only one I tust for paid work.

I have no problems with kpb 64gb and they comes with lifetime warranty so i think you can return the card if dead any time and exchange for new..
Make sure u make some testspeed with your new cards! And not in preview mode make sure you do it in movie mode

I HIGHLY SUGGEST NOT GETTING A KOMPUTER BAY CARD!!!!

There are multiple posts on this forum talking about how they've gotten a KB card that just went out on them.

As for me, I did a shoot and started copying in the footage through a card reader on my Mac and in the middle of copying the card stopped working. I could not get the files back and the card no longer mounted onto my mac so I lost my footage.

Returned the card for a new one thinking it was a faulty card and also upgraded my card reader to a USB 3.0 Kingston reader thinking that was the problem, and still it happened again. Sure it worked for 2 more shoots than my last one-but the same problem still happened.

Since then I've gotten a LEXAR 64gb 1000x and I've never had a problem. Sure it's more expensive-but that price is worth the guarantee your footage won't get trashed.

I've been using KB 64Gb 1000X cards for the better part of the year without any problems. One of the things that Komputerbay advises on is to use a fully UDMA-7 CF card reader, using one that's not UDMA-7 might result in a corrupted CF card, and not all USB 3 CF card readers are UDMA-7 certified.

Now if money is no object, then by all means get yourself a few Lexar cards, but if your budget is tight, I still maintain that 2 or more KB cards are better than 1 Lexar. When it comes down to it, all CF cards can fail no matter the brand.

For all of the bitching about KB cards, there are an awful lot of silent but happy KB customers!

Quote from: Midphase on December 29, 2013, 02:47:40 AM
I've been using KB 64Gb 1000X cards for the better part of the year without any problems. One of the things that Komputerbay advises on is to use a fully UDMA-7 CF card reader, using one that's not UDMA-7 might result in a corrupted CF card, and not all USB 3 CF card readers are UDMA-7 certified.

This is recommended by all UDMA manufacturers, even by Lexar.  KB cards are risky, so get one if you cannot afford Lexar, and if you can afford shipping time lost due to exchanges, and if you can afford losing some material.

Quote from: fedemazza on December 28, 2013, 03:11:57 PM
Thanks a lot Krane.

Here in italy Sandisk is 3 times the price of a KB, does it really worth?

They are when your work really counts; and they're just as expensive where I am. The point is, everyone wants to cut costs, but what good is that if you end up riddled with card problems or worse, losing all your data?

A better route would be to have the KB around for your daily non-critical work, but keep a higher level Lexar or two (or Sandisk), card around for when it really counts.

We all know we're in a transition with ML, so isn't that enough to think about without having to worry about the consistent quality of your cards as well?

I've been having reasonably good luck with the 32GB Transcend 1000x, was going to try out a KB card but the Transcend was on sale at B&H for $85 with a free reader so I went for it. The reader is the Transcend USB3 one, which is UDMA-7 compliant. So far I've been able to capture at 1728x972 (on a 7D, of course) continuously, with Global Draw off. The Warm Up card option seems to help as well. I hear a lot of debate about the KB vs the Lexars, but not many people talking about these cards. Probably because they're terrible and I've made a huge mistake, but I'll live with it.

Quote from: evilash on December 30, 2013, 07:14:35 AM
I've been having reasonably good luck with the 32GB Transcend 1000x, was going to try out a KB card but the Transcend was on sale at B&H for $85 with a free reader so I went for it. The reader is the Transcend USB3 one, which is UDMA-7 compliant. So far I've been able to capture at 1728x972 (on a 7D, of course) continuously, with Global Draw off. The Warm Up card option seems to help as well. I hear a lot of debate about the KB vs the Lexars, but not many people talking about these cards. Probably because they're terrible and I've made a huge mistake, but I'll live with it.

There's no grade on these cards but if they were I'd be B. Its not that they're bad, since many cards can be faster than the devices you put them in. But its just that they're not good enough. And in cases where you may push them to the limit, they fail.

The higher priced cards cost more because they're the cream of the crop; and give you the highest cap even though you may not use it.

One things for sure, quality control goes a long way in the manufacture of these cards. In the lesser manufacture, ome come out good, some not so good. Since they don't throw anything away, you get the savings.

Quote from: reddeercity on December 28, 2013, 06:23:41 PM
Lexar 1000x  are the only stable ones with out problems!
I have 2, I know they may be a bit pricey
But you pay for what you get.
I have been using Lexar since June or this year
And never had a problem ever.
But it you do some searches on the form
You will see many problems with them,
Like "can't get files off CF card" etc...
And the list goes on.
It's the only one I tust for paid work.

I have no problem with the price, but I read an article about the Lexars failing randomly, and now I'm not sure if they are reliable after all. Lexar is still my top choice, but it's hard to find reliable information.

I Think it really come down to best practices for All Cards no matter what brand.
Like formatting , Ejecting the card right from reader, etc....
there's No Prefect CF card just degrees of better manufacturing
and it seems Lexar's are near the Top.  :)   

Quote from: reddeercity on December 31, 2013, 08:05:09 AM
I Think it really come down to best practices for All Cards no matter what brand.
Like formatting , Ejecting the card right from reader, etc....
there's No Prefect CF card just degrees of better manufacturing
and it seems Lexar's are near the Top.  :)

Oh. Thank you for the answer. :)

Quote from: canoncan on December 31, 2013, 07:24:23 AM
I have no problem with the price, but I read an article about the Lexars failing randomly, and now I'm not sure if they are reliable after all. Lexar is still my top choice, but it's hard to find reliable information.

I think all brands are rock solid or not depending on your luck of the draw. Komputerbay appears to have more problems on the surface, but I think this is not entirely accurate. There are far more people on these forums who purchased KB than other brands like Lexar, Transcend and Hoodman Steele, so due to the high number of these cards being out in the wild when some of them go wonky it might appear to be huge issue compared to Lexars and others, but if you take into consideration the numbers of actual users out there, then that number is not necessarily much higher than any other card brand.

The newest Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 160MB/s VPG65 CF cards are great for raw video. I tested 64GB, 128GB and 256GB and finally decided to purchase 256GB which is absolutely reliable with my 5dMK3.
And even older Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 100MB/s VPG20 handles continues 24fps 1080p raw video well. Make sure that you don't mix it with older Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UMDA6 that wasn't capable to hold recording speed above 83MB/s but rather stood around 75MB/s.

Quote from: Baarman on January 06, 2014, 12:44:35 AM
The newest Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 160MB/s VPG65 CF cards are great for raw video. I tested 64GB, 128GB and 256GB and finally decided to purchase 256GB which is absolutely reliable with my 5dMK3.
And even older Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 100MB/s VPG20 handles continues 24fps 1080p raw video well. Make sure that you don't mix it with older Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UMDA6 that wasn't capable to hold recording speed above 83MB/s but rather stood around 75MB/s.

Actually, that's the average record speed of 1080p RAW ( +/- 2MB/s), so even that should be sufficient for RAW acquisition. Go for the updated UDMA 7, only if you prefer a bit more headroom for good measure.

I average 83 MB/s. Well below the card's stated 150 MB/s or my as tested, 120 MB/s write speed.

Incidentally, Canon lists the 5D MKIII CF card slot as being UDMA 7 compatible (Max 167 MB/s) whatever you care to take from that.

Quote from: reddeercity on December 28, 2013, 06:23:41 PM
Lexar 1000x  are the only stable ones with out problems!
I have 2, I know they may be a bit pricey
But you pay for what you get.
I have been using Lexar since June or this year
And never had a problem ever.
But it you do some searches on the form
You will see many problems with them,
Like "can't get files off CF card" etc...
And the list goes on.
It's the only one I tust for paid work.

This dude is right.

Tried two Komputer Bay cards and one Transcend. All 1000x and tested on either 5dII or III. All had poor write speeds or were dead on arrival. It's like they say, "you gotta pay to play." Lexar has seemed to be the way to go when it comes to Magic Lantern.

In the past, Transcend cards have worked fine for h.264 for me.

Have a friend that owns two Bays, and hasn't had issues yet. My friend is lucky. Check Amazon and more threads and you'll see that not everyone shares such luck.

Are  there still problems with the 5d mk ii and the 128 GB cards?

Quote from: Baarman on January 06, 2014, 12:44:35 AM
The newest Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 160MB/s VPG65 CF cards are great for raw video. I tested 64GB, 128GB and 256GB and finally decided to purchase 256GB which is absolutely reliable with my 5dMK3.
And even older Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 100MB/s VPG20 handles continues 24fps 1080p raw video well. Make sure that you don't mix it with older Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UMDA6 that wasn't capable to hold recording speed above 83MB/s but rather stood around 75MB/s.

Hm.. 256GB sounds cool.

I maybe decided to purchase to. How many times have you use the card until yet? Often?

Maybee you can warn me If Something goes wrong with you card. :)

Quote from: Johannes on January 07, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

Hm.. 256GB sounds cool.

I maybe decided to purchase to. How many times have you use the card until yet? Often?

Maybee you can warn me If Something goes wrong with you card. :)

There is an exponential increase in price that was left out from the above post. By the time you reach the maximum 256 GB the price becomes astronomical, so choose wisely. I don't think anyone else makes a card of that size, and although any card can fail, Sandisk is as good as it gets.

Quote from: Krane on January 07, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
There is an exponential increase in price that was left out from the above post. By the time you reach the maximum 256 GB the price becomes astronomical, so choose wisely. I don't think anyone else makes a card of that size, and although any card can fail, Sandisk is as good as it gets.

I'm not sure what you mean. My post rises the price? Really? - Sorry for that dumpy question?

For me the Question is when drop the price..

Quote from: Johannes on January 07, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

Hm.. 256GB sounds cool.

I maybe decided to purchase to. How many times have you use the card until yet? Often?

Maybee you can warn me If Something goes wrong with you card. :)

I use my card every day. Hundreds of times so far, tens of times from 0-256. Sure, will let you know if any problem appears. Without VAT the price of this card is around 825 EUR in CVP.com. I suggest it!

Thank you man!  :)

Quote from: Johannes on January 07, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
I'm not sure what you mean. My post rises the price? Really? - Sorry for that dumpy question?

For me the Question is when drop the price..

I was referring to the "cons"  left out of the pros and cons. I think its best when folks know both side, don't you agree?

One is the enormous price. The other, is that's a lot of data to put on one card that could get lost, stolen, damaged, or corrupted. You might want to choose two 128 GB, or four 64 GB cards? Just something to keep in mind.

Yeah I agree.

The fastest memory card would now surely have to be this one: http://www.canonwatch.com/ces-2014-lexar-announces-worlds-fastest-memory-card/

Of course no current camera would be able to take full advantage of it but some memory card readers will. That would make downloading your raw footage very snappy indeed...

[edit: I just realised this is a CFast card, not CompactFlash. Same form factor but different pin configuration and not compatible with Canon cameras]

Quote from: chris_overseas on January 08, 2014, 01:35:09 PM
The fastest memory card would now surely have to be this one: http://www.canonwatch.com/ces-2014-lexar-announces-worlds-fastest-memory-card/

Of course no current camera would be able to take full advantage of it but some memory card readers will. That would make downloading your raw footage very snappy indeed...

[edit: I just realised this is a CFast card, not CompactFlash. Same form factor but different pin configuration and not compatible with Canon cameras]

Well like you already said, no camera currently available can take advantage of their speed anyway. They're designed for the next generation of cameras anyway. It doesn't say if they're backwards compatible, but seeing as they are the same form factor it is like they will be. Just get the new reader since it can handle current cards as well as these.

Quote from: Krane on January 08, 2014, 08:04:20 PMIt doesn't say if they're backwards compatible, but seeing as they are the same form factor it is like they will be.

They simply won't. CF-Card with PIO/UDMA is just like IDE/parallel ATA. CFast is like SATA (=serial ATA). Without some intelligent adapter there is no way to have both standards working together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash#CFast

QuoteCFast cards are not physically or electrically compatible with CompactFlash cards.

Ciao
Walter

I have been using the 64gb 1000x KB card and the 1050 128gb KB card since may with no issues. The only thing i notice is with the start up time of the 5d3. the 5d3 takes a lil longer to start up with the 128 card in then the 64 card.

Question for 5d3 raw shooters. Can the lexar 1000x 64gb handle these specs: or 2048x (2:35:1 forgot other dimension) 24fps, 1920x818 @ 32fps and 30fps, and 1920x1080 24fps and 1920x515 48fps continusly? Im not asking sarcastically im actually asking if it can sustain those resolutions cuz ill get one.

Quote from: hjfilmspeed on January 09, 2014, 08:45:40 PM
I have been using the 64gb 1000x KB card and the 1050 128gb KB card since may with no issues. The only thing i notice is with the start up time of the 5d3. the 5d3 takes a lil longer to start up with the 128 card in then the 64 card.

Question for 5d3 raw shooters. Can the lexar 1000x 64gb handle these specs: or 2048x (2:35:1 forgot other dimension) 24fps, 1920x818 @ 32fps and 30fps, and 1920x1080 24fps and 1920x515 48fps continusly? Im not asking sarcastically im actually asking if it can sustain those resolutions cuz ill get one.

Its not about frame rate, it about data rate. And at approx 120 MB/s no DSLR camera I know of can attain that anyway.  Certainly none from Canon.

Anyway, those are the fastest CF cards there are. To go any faster you'll need a different form of card technology which hasn't been implemented in cameras yet.

Lexar also announced updated CF cards with 1066x instead of 1000x. 160mb/s read and 155mb/s write speed.

Quote from: Steven on January 10, 2014, 05:07:13 AM
Lexar also announced updated CF cards with 1066x instead of 1000x. 160mb/s read and 155mb/s write speed.

Joining Toshiba and Sandisk who have had them for a while now. The Lexar cards are cheaper though. Incidentally, those max speeds are like the car mileage ratings: you ever quite get that at home. :)

Quote from: hjfilmspeed on January 09, 2014, 08:45:40 PM
I have been using the 64gb 1000x KB card and the 1050 128gb KB card since may with no issues. The only thing i notice is with the start up time of the 5d3. the 5d3 takes a lil longer to start up with the 128 card in then the 64 card.

Since may RAW recording with no issues sounds good.

Had someone problems with the KB 1050x 128GB, although using a UMDA 7 3.0 cardreader?

If I remember correctly, I have stumbled on plenty of posts regarding problems with KB 128gb 1050x, mostly disappointing speed. Me myself have 3 x KB 128gb 1000x cards that I have been forced to send back 4 times by now. Since passed summer. Different problems. Speed, defected frames with artifacts, corrupting with udma7 card readers etc. Thats why I gave up with them and bohght this mighty 256gb Sandisk and planning to buy another one. Btw, 2x128gb is ~200 eur more expensive than 1x256gb.

Yes..
I have a SanDisk 256 GB 160 MB/s too.. I tested it just shortly, because my own 5DIII will be delivered next week, but about speed there is no advantage to a KB 1000x 64. And my friend´s KB 128GB 1050x have a faster speed than the SanDisk 256 GB 160 MB/s. -.-

Question is: What cards fail iven if u use a UMDA7 3.0 cardreader...

Quote from: Baarman on January 12, 2014, 01:21:36 AM
If I remember correctly, I have stumbled on plenty of posts regarding problems with KB 128gb 1050x, mostly disappointing speed. Me myself have 3 x KB 128gb 1000x cards that I have been forced to send back 4 times by now. Since passed summer. Different problems. Speed, defected frames with artifacts, corrupting with udma7 card readers etc. Thats why I gave up with them and bohght this mighty 256gb Sandisk and planning to buy another one. Btw, 2x128gb is ~200 eur more expensive than 1x256gb.

Its not an question of capacity, rather, one of security. Like flying in a plane with one engine or two: it gives you a backup. Especially for professionals where time is money. You cannot put all your eggs in one basket. If it fails, you loose...a lot.

Has anybody experience with the durability of the KumpterBay 128 1050x ??

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For capacity the best card is 256G Sandisk Extreme Pro, that does 1920x1080@25 with 5d3, but not 30 (at least mine does not).
Cheapest RELIABLE sandisk-option for me seems to be Sandisk Extreme 120MB/s - i've got one 64G version and it does well with 1920x1080@25.
I did like Komputerbay before, but with the long waiting period for exchange if the card is faulty the sandisk seems like a better option.
Pic from ML:


Rainer.

Quote from: zooda on March 06, 2014, 10:35:29 AM
For capacity the best card is 256G Sandisk Extreme Pro, that does 1920x1080@25 with 5d3, but not 30 (at least mine does not).
Cheapest RELIABLE sandisk-option for me seems to be Sandisk Extreme 120MB/s - i've got one 64G version and it does well with 1920x1080@25.
I did like Komputerbay before, but with the long waiting period for exchange if the card is faulty the sandisk seems like a better option.
Pic from ML:


Rainer.

Is this the Sandisk Extreme 120MB/s that can do continuous 1920x1080 @24 on 5d3?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1003356-REG/sandisk_sdcfxs_064g_a46_64gb_extreme_compact_flash.html

That one is exactly the card - for me it did a full cards worth of mlv with sound, 1920x1080x25, without dropping frames or any anomalies. I would say that in both of my 5d3's it's a bit faster than the 256G/Extreme Pro.
I will order the 128G version also for testing.

Quote from: zooda on March 07, 2014, 10:06:26 AM
That one is exactly the card - for me it did a full cards worth of mlv with sound, 1920x1080x25, without dropping frames or any anomalies. I would say that in both of my 5d3's it's a bit faster than the 256G/Extreme Pro.
I will order the 128G version also for testing.

Thanks, I'll head over to B&H tomorrow and give this Sandisk a shot. I'll update

Nang, any news on the Sandisk CF card?  The specs say only 60MB/s Write.  It is way cheaper than the other 128GB cards so it would be great if it worked with continuous 1080p.  Thanks.

Quote from: Bassman2003 on March 24, 2014, 12:32:06 AM
Nang, any news on the Sandisk CF card?  The specs say only 60MB/s Write.  It is way cheaper than the other 128GB cards so it would be great if it worked with continuous 1080p.  Thanks.

Sorry for not updating, but there was a change to the plan. I was heading to B&H, but then I received an alert that my KB 1000x 64gb was delivered. I ended up benchmarking/testing that card instead and then using it on a couple of shoots. I'll eventually give that Sandisk a try, but for now I have enough cards and don't have as much time.

Sorry again

Hey, no worries.  I went with buying a Lexar 1066x 64GB card from B&H for $212.  This should hold me for a while and hopefully newer, faster cards will appear over time.

Hi Guys nice to see a thread dated this year regarding cf cards and which ones to get.....as a newbie to the whole RAW thing and pretty new to dslr shooting i had to think about pennies and go with the KB 64gb x 2 cards due to constraints on budget...beginning to worry a bit about them after reading this post but not had any issues yet (crosses fingers and toes!) Anyway my write speeds whilst recording appear to be around 93mb/s and about 96mb/s which will sustain full 1920x1080 at 24fps pretty well although i have only really used ten second shots..are these speeds ok or should i send them back and try to get faster cards? Also wondering when peeps say they have recorded 2.5k raw etc how is this achieved?

hey Bassman2003, how did the Lexar 1066x 64gb cards work out for you? was thinking of buying them...well either this or sandisk 64gb 160mb/s CF...

I just got it yesterday.  I don't really know how to run the benchmark tests as shown in this thread with the different buffer levels shown.  Could somebody let me know how this is done?  And maybe how to best optimize the settings for ultimate speed?  I don't want to post benchmarks without them being true of the performance of the card.

I will be happy to post my results.  Thanks.

Just to add my 2 cents, I tested various 128 GB CF-cards recently, among them Komputerbay 1050x, SanDisk Extreme 120MB/s, Lexar Professional 1000x and Hama 150MB/s, but the only ones that I found reliable are the SanDisk Extreme Pro 160MB/s. 64GB cards seem to perform a whole lot better (understandable), the 128 GB models work much faster as FAT and rather unreliable formatted in ExFAT.

I have been looking around for one of those benchmark threads. Just returned a Transcend 64GB 1000x card because it got unusable after a couple of recordings.
Changed it (in the store) to a Sandisk 128GB 100MB/s (667x). This card really performed well with a stable 60-65MB/s write speed. However this seem to be on the edge of too low for my 5Dmk2 (1856x928) for continuous recording (that should be possible with a 1000x card according to Ted Ramasola here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11205.msg108936#msg108936)

Tomorrow I will return the Sandisk 128GB in favor for a Sandisk 64GB 160MB/s. Hopefully that is good enough for highest possible recording on the 5D2.

Yes I can confirm , 1856x928 @23.976p is continous with 1000x card in fact with my Lexar 1000x I get [email protected] & 2048x872 plus audio on the Feb16th build (1872 no longer available on current builds) continuous . I also have a Sandisk 32GB Extreme 90MB/s Card with that I get 1792x814 23.976p 2.20:1 A.R. continous (write speed 58.3MB/s), about 8 minutes

I have the Lexar 1000x which performs great at 1920x1080 @ 25fps with global draw on.

I get 16 secs before frame skip @ 30fps global draw on, and 30 secs with global draw off.

My question is would I get any significantly better performance with a Lexar 1066x, or is it a limitation of the camera?

Thx.

1080 @ 30fps needs 100+ mb/s which is the camera write limit... also theres no significant difference in write speed between 1000x and 1066x

I'm going to buy the SanDisk SDCFXS-064G-X46  gold series (this one http://www.amazon.it/SanDisk-SDCFXS-064G-X46-Compact-Extreme-Memoria/dp/B00EZE6V50/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A11IL2PNWYJU7H)
Is enough for 1920x1080 continuous shooting in crop mode (canon 7d)? thx a lot! :)

Hello Guys,
Is there anyone who tried to use this CF card for shooting RAW?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compact-Flash-Card-32GB-1000X-Toshiba-the-World-Fastest-Speed-CF-UDMA7-Ultra-New-/321431390359?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item4ad6cdc897
I know there is EXCERIA PRO 1066x which has good opinions, but I haven't found any opinions about EXCERIA  1000x (without PRO).

I am looking for affordable  CF card for shooting RAW and if this toshiba works it would be great value for this money.

Cheers, Chris