Updated install instructions here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.0
This be worth pinning at top like the rest? i remember when the 5Dmkii was unpinned and took awhile to find among new threads till pinned, :)
Looking forward to seeing what comes to the 7D Raw video.
Done :)
This is the 2nd thread I'll be closely watching. :) Thanks for starting this and pinning.
Good luck to the developer who will port the raw_rec to the 7D !! :D
Hi! i recently tested 7d raw and the high iso on silent picture burst
i show you my first iso test, i don't know if i did any mistake on the workflow :'(
please help me ;D
Good test GuGuProd but if am not mistake (some one correct me) for recording raw the best is using native ISO. 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600...
Quote from: GuGuProd on August 06, 2013, 02:07:28 AM
Hi! i recently tested 7d raw and the high iso on silent picture burst
i show you my first iso test, i don't know if i did any mistake on the workflow :'(
please help me ;D
How shall we help you, if we dont even know your workflow...? And i dont think there is a "correct" workflow. the correct workflow for you is the one that suits you best. If you give me some more information i can give you a little more advise :)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 02:19:31 AM
Good test GuGuProd but if am not mistake (some one correct me) for recording raw the best is using native ISO. 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600...
The ISO question seems to be one of the hardest to answer... still, after a shitload of research and different opinios. I´m not sure if this one is still correct, but it was the most accurate when i tried to find the best iso the last time.
For a long time we believed Iso values like 100 200 400 800 and so on were the best.
Then someone discovered that a multiple of 80 was best. Iso values like 160 320 and so on.
Turns out, the real native Iso values were just in between, not accessable for the average user.
Thats why ML allows you to dial in (negative) digital ISO...
-----> According to this the best Iso values are Iso´s 100, 200, 400 and so minus one or two EV digital ISO
gosh, just started a new thread for RAW only and we are already going off topic :D
Hope the information im giving you is correct.
Greets, Jemabaris
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 02:27:45 AM
The ISO question seems to be one of the hardest to answer... still, after a shitload of research and different opinios. I´m not sure if this one is still correct, but it was the most accurate when i tried to find the best iso the last time.
For a long time we believed Iso values like 100 200 400 800 and so on were the best.
Then someone discovered that a multiple of 80 was best. Iso values like 160 320 and so on.
Turns out, the real native Iso values were just in between, not accessable for the average user.
Thats why ML allows you to dial in (negative) digital ISO...
-----> According to this the best Iso values are Iso´s 100, 200, 400 and so minus one or two EV digital ISO
gosh, just started a new thread for RAW only and we are already going off topic :D
Hope the information im giving you is correct.
Greets, Jemabaris
I'm also curious, as to make your comment stay on topic, I too was aware that best practice before raw video was 160 320 640 etc ISO.
But that was for H264.
Now that some of us use raw video, does that still apply?
160 320 and so on were Not the best isos as I just explained. For example. 160 was better than 100 but actually 160 is a pulled ISO 200. So choosing ISO 200 and applying two stops negative ISO gives you 170 which is even better. Generally speaking, whole isos like 100 200 and so on minus one or two stops negative iso are the way to go
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 02:46:22 AM
160 320 and so on were Not the best isos as I just explained. For example. 160 was better than 100 but actually 160 is a pulled ISO 200. So choosing ISO 200 and applying two stops negative ISO gives you 170 which is even better. Generally speaking, whole isos like 100 200 and so on minus one or two stops negative iso are the way to go
I was basing my usage of ISOs from recommendations of Shane Hurlbut ASC when he did some tests on which ISOs "look better" for his films. Here's a link to his "ideal" settings. Though he could be wrong and you are right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=apTMHG-g5nQ&t=371
And I'd like to add, that this posts in relation to this thread is my curiosity if the same still applies in raw video.
Well, he is not using ML, not giving him the option for those isos. Without ML those might be the best. But we all do have ML, don't we? ;)
sorry i write the workflow in yt video description but i forget to rewrite here,
original DNG files > photoshop camera raw as single frame > saved as PSD > import in premiere....
i don't know what sequence settings are the best for comparing h264 clips with psd generated by raw files, i used the "classic" match clip settings on the 7d - h264 files
:-X :-X :-X
Here's a res chart on the burst mode. At 1X, also at cropped mode (3X ?) and for comparison an H264 .mov chart in the end.
I think we'll need the VAF for this. Good thing it's already available. I only have one for the 5DmkII.
view in HD 1080.
however, i've exported and uploaded a new version of the previews test with a little bit of noise reduction and adjustment in camera raw..
tomorrow i'll shoot some daylight raw footage to compare.. sorry here in italy the clock mark 5:16 AM... i'll go to bed ::)
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 06, 2013, 02:52:18 AM
I was basing my usage of ISOs from recommendations of Shane Hurlbut ASC when he did some tests on which ISOs "look better" for his films. Here's a link to his "ideal" settings. Though he could be wrong and you are right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=apTMHG-g5nQ&t=371
And I'd like to add, that this posts in relation to this thread is my curiosity if the same still applies in raw video.
No,
ISO 160 and multiples of that is just for H.264 (less noise)
ISO 100 and multiples of that is for raw
ISO question >> http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO) << Here the answer
On 5D3, in LiveView RAW, ISO 160 = 200 = 250 (the digital gain does not affect the raw data). Can you check if it's true on 7D? Also, 3200 should be identical to 6400 or higher.
In photo raw (CR2), the digital gain is burned into the raw data (=> it affects the noise pattern and dynamic range).
Quote from: GuGuProd on August 06, 2013, 08:14:39 AM
ISO question >> http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO) << Here the answer
Nice. good read.
Thanks
I've got an updated 7D build here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6k0bh72mbb52fsi/k2Nx-hV2Aa
I've included all the usual modules except raw_rec. If you want that working, you should help Pelican here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.0
For workflows id recommend reading the 5Dmkii and iii posts, i cant see them been any different? :)
So, just to get things straight, RAW video shooting on the 7D is not yet available in experimental form. What is available is some form of silent picture shooting, that just basically bursts pictures as fast as the card can allow using reduced resolution compared with full more than 10 megapixels per image? This can be used as a simple image sequence but the fps isn't reliable?
I'm sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I've spent the last day sifting through threads where some post state that it's not yet available and some posts even showing test-videos. So things just seem to be a bit contradictory. Is there a single thread that I should read to get up to date? Because, right now I have like ten threads open in different tabs in my browser with multiple dozens of pages in each. I'd be happy to read up on the subject, but I feel like I don't know where to start, to keep it relevant to the research.
Quote from: jmalmsten on August 06, 2013, 01:05:43 PM
So, just to get things straight, RAW video shooting on the 7D is not yet available in experimental form. What is available is some form of silent picture shooting, that just basically bursts pictures as fast as the card can allow using reduced resolution compared with full more than 10 megapixels per image? This can be used as a simple image sequence but the fps isn't reliable?
I'm sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I've spent the last day sifting through threads where some post state that it's not yet available and some posts even showing test-videos. So things just seem to be a bit contradictory. Is there a single thread that I should read to get up to date? Because, right now I have like ten threads open in different tabs in my browser with multiple dozens of pages in each. I'd be happy to read up on the subject, but I feel like I don't know where to start, to keep it relevant to the research.
You just need to read the first post of this thread.
Quote from: Audionut on August 06, 2013, 10:22:55 AMI've got an updated 7D build here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6k0bh72mbb52fsi/k2Nx-hV2Aa
Has someone tested ETTR in this build? No luck on my side of the screen.
Proper bug report will follow.
Ciao, Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 06, 2013, 06:41:55 PM
Has someone tested ETTR in this build? No luck on my side of the screen.
Proper bug report will follow.
Ciao, Walter
With this last build i haven't try yet. But in the build before it works.
Quote from: Audionut on August 06, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
I've got an updated 7D build here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6k0bh72mbb52fsi/k2Nx-hV2Aa
I get a lockup when I try to load any of the modules in this latest build. It locks up on the "Scanning modules..." screen. I have to remove the battery to get the screen to go away. Just turning off the camera doesn't do it. Does anyone else experience that?
Quote from: stevelucky on August 06, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
I get a lockup when I try to load any of the modules in this latest build. It locks up on the "Scanning modules..." screen. I have to remove the battery to get the screen to go away. Just turning off the camera doesn't do it. Does anyone else experience that?
This happen with me one time wend i try to load 2 times the modules... saying something like "modules already loaded" and this small box never go's way.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
This happen with me one time wend i try to load 2 times the modules... saying something like "modules already loaded" and this small box never go's way.
I've done a little more testing by disabling all the modules and loading them one at a time and here's what I'm getting:
When I try to load dual_iso i get an error that says:
"tcc: error: undefined symbol 'file_prefix_set'
"tcc: error: undefined symbol 'file_prefix_reset'
[E] failed to link modules"
When I try to load file_man I get:
"Load modules...
load: FILE_MAN.MO
Linking..."
And it just stays on that screen and I have to remove the battery to get it to go away.
When I try to load ettr I get locked on the "Scanning modules..." screen and I have to remove the battery to get it to go away.
I can successfully load pic_view but it doesn't seem to function. I have DNG images that I acquired through shooting burst but it still says no image when I try to view them with the pic_view module loaded.
@stevelucky
Im going install the last build for see what happens with the modules.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
@stevelucky
Im going install the last build for see what happens with the modules.
Everything works fine here :D
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 08:46:09 PMEverything works fine here :D
ETTR works as intended?
Ciao, Walter
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 08:46:09 PM
Everything works fine here :D
Hmmm. Okay, maybe it's just me. :o I'm not sure what I can do differently though....
Test Canon 7D Raw - crop mode - Magic Lantern - Handheld + sharp + VSCO
http://vimeo.com/71834341
@ crop mode I only get 35 frames... not so fast card...
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 06, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
ETTR works as intended?
Ciao, Walter
ETTR works like are charm ;) if not even better and faster than before^^ btw are you german, Walter?
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 09:02:13 PM
ETTR works like are charm ;) if not even better and faster than before^^
Good for you! I will install ML from scratch on a second card and hope for the best.
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 09:02:13 PMbtw are you german, Walter?
Yes, why?
Ciao, Walter
So am I ;)
Every thing is working good with the last build, but the pic view modulo don't work.
-ETTR i think just work in photo mode with LiveView on. You push the SET button and he make the auto ETTR, then you just need to shoot. Silent burst or raw photo. ETTR just work with RAW.
-Pic View modulo don't work, at least for me.
Silent Pic Burst
Normal= 41 frames
Zoom 5x= 35 frames
Sandisk Extreme
60MB/s
8GB
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Every thing is working good with the last build, but the pic view modulo don't work.
-ETTR i think just work in photo mode with LiveView on. You push the SET button and he make the auto ETTR, then you just need to shoot. Silent burst or raw photo. ETTR just work with RAW.
-Pic View modulo don't work, at least for me.
Also, ETTR only works in M with a fixed ISO... (just choose any, it will be changed anyway)
Pic view also works perfectly fine for me. :D
Installed ML on another card and ETTR works just fine.
Deleted MAGIC.CFG from first one (installed yesterday, updated today) and it works, too.
May I suggest to the people having troubles with todays build (after updating) to move MAGIC.CFG from SETTINGS (or to rename it) and to try again?
Ciao, Walter
Probably there are different versions of modules and somebody uses one version of the module another one uses another version.
Maybe it's time to mark the modules with version number or date or something to make it recognizable/distinguishable.
Quote from: Pelican on August 06, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
Probably there are different versions of modules and somebody uses one version of the module another one uses another version.
Maybe it's time to mark the modules with version number or date or something to make it recognizable/distinguishable.
Yes, it would be more easy.
I can't manage work with the pic_view modulo :-\
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
I can't manage work with the pic_view modulo :-\
Since the latest build is working 100% try the following:
Format your CF card with your PC to NTFS. Put it back in your camera and format it again.
Then paste all the files from the latest release to it. the "autoexec.bin" to the root all other fils to "magiclantern/modules".
Boot up your camera, go to the modules tab and enable autoload modules. switch your camera off and back on.
Take a DNG seequence with silent picture.
Then go to File Manager under the "Debug" tab. Navigate to DCIM/100EOS7D/and there are your DNG files. press set and then "view" to get a grey scale preview.
Good luck
@jemabaris
I almost call to the ML Hot-Line 0800-754-754 ;D but with this explanation... ;D
THANK YOU jemabaris didn't knew that for see the dng's you need to go to Debug tab for see the pictures. I just carried on the play/review button on camera and nothing happen. Now i know how to see the dng's, in gray scale.
More one time, thank you for you time and explanation :D
How long should I expect (Recording... Remaining images :1) to take it has been about 20min so far?
Quote from: MaxK7D on August 06, 2013, 10:32:44 PM
How long should I expect (Recording... Remaining images :1) to take it has been about 20min so far?
I have no idea what you are talking about, haha. But there is no process lasting 20 minutes.. Probably something stuck or froze^^
Ok thanks just pulled the battery out
Quote from: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 10:04:24 PM
Since the latest build is working 100% try the following:
Format your CF card with your PC to NTFS. Put it back in your camera and format it again.
Then paste all the files from the latest release to it. the "autoexec.bin" to the root all other fils to "magiclantern/modules".
Boot up your camera, go to the modules tab and enable autoload modules. switch your camera off and back on.
This fixed all my issues. All my modules are loading great now. Thanks!
... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work. Any testers out there?
Quote from: LEVISDAVIS on August 07, 2013, 12:05:44 PM
... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work. Any testers out there?
I got the same question, if the Mosaic Engineering filter going to work good with raw... or is just good for the 1080p h.264 ?
Hi,
I've noticed the GOP and Frame Dump hack don't work in this version, the autoload raw version of Alpha 2. Was wondering if it may be enabled.
Thanks.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 07, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
I got the same question, if the Mosaic Engineering filter going to work good with raw... or is just good for the 1080p h.264 ?
It works amazingly well! Actually I tested it with footage shot with the 6D (provided by kvg5) and the 6D is the worst when it comes to aliasing and moire (way worse than the 7D - I know coz I have both).
Check the thread and some test footage and DNG's in this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.msg55568#msg55568
@noisyboy
Thank you, excelente!!! Going start to saving some money for buy one :D
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 01:15:45 PM
You just need to read the first post of this thread.
Which is what I did... and once more I read it just to be sure I wasn't misreading it. After reading your reply.
So I therefore take it that it is as I have understood it. That somewhat of a burst mode is available which can be used for a couple of seconds. If, that's the case, then a simple "yes" would have sufficed...
But maybe a framerate override and a further tinker is needed before continuous recording is unlocked
Why did I ask? Well, the first post, which I was referred back to didn't really state this clearly. I came to this conclusion by reading a lot between the lines and implementing quite a bit of other results of research from the myriad of posts growing every minute. I asked it in this thread since it's supposed to be the one about 7D RAW recording development. But the first post says that RAWrecording is not yet available but in the very next couple of posts I see test-videos of the very same feature. It did't match up so I wanted get it clear. That was all.
Now, back on topic... I'll probably wait a while to see the major kinks beaten out of the codes, and a consice set of instructions for what I have to do, what modules are needed and how they are to be installed are posted on the main magic lantern webpage. Because without that I wouldn't dare risking bricking my 7D because I patched the firmware the wrong way so that the module was incorrectly parsed. Slim risk, I know, but reading the posts which ends with declarations of uncertainty if the writer remembered the procedure correctly makes me wary. Especially when parts of the procedure is scattered on the forum.
By the way. If the same photosites are used when RAW-bursting as when recording h264 as usual, then I'm pretty sure that the VAF-7D will do just as well. Since the VAF doesn't know what you are recording with. Though, when recording in 1:1 crop the VAF will probably only do harm since the gap between photosites are just about eliminated and the anti aliasing filter that's already on the sensor is already built to tackle those conditions. So using the VAF during crop will probably just kill detail that the sensor would handle just fine on its own.
Or why not just drop the guys at Mosaic Engineering a mail asking about it. They seem like friendly folk when I asked them about mitigating the close focus alterations that the VAF induces. And I'm sure they will be able to make much more educated guesses than most of us as to what this RAW-hack might entail combined with their product.
Quote from: jmalmsten on August 07, 2013, 08:42:01 PM
But the first post says that RAWrecording is not yet available but in the very next couple of posts I see test-videos of the very same feature.
It´s actually not exactly the same feature.. when we talk about Raw recording, we speak of continuous 24fps recording...
The videos which you have seen are only 41 frame bursts, without fps override
greets :)
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.
2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :
Edit: Modified link to embed 8)
@flofifull
Beautiful images :D
Quote from: flofifull on August 07, 2013, 10:57:16 PM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.
2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :
You smashed it with that dude :) Real nice!
short raw test on 7d at iso 1600
Thanks
Quote from: flofifull on August 07, 2013, 10:57:16 PM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.
2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :
Edit: Modified link to embed 8)
Just out of curiosity, what kind/speed of CF card are you using? I seem to be getting dropped/pink frames every time I try to shoot. I'm using a 600X Duracell card. I would have thought it was fast enough, but because of the odd frame issues, I'm assuming it's not.
Quote from: stevelucky on August 08, 2013, 02:48:43 AM
Just out of curiosity, what kind/speed of CF card are you using? I seem to be getting dropped/pink frames every time I try to shoot. I'm using a 600X Duracell card. I would have thought it was fast enough, but because of the odd frame issues, I'm assuming it's not.
I wanted to add that I don't get any pink frames nor corrupted ones.. and I'm using Trancend's 166x, 16gb and 32gb.. so I am not sure if it's a speed problem!! :/
Beautiful imagery Flofifull!
Quote from: tonybeccar on August 08, 2013, 03:30:42 AM
I wanted to add that I don't get any pink frames nor corrupted ones.. and I'm using Trancend's 166x, 16gb and 32gb.. so I am not sure if it's a speed problem!! :/
It must have been an old build or something that I was using as I tested it and everything seems just great now.
I must have missed something regarding using the Silent Picture mode. I loaded the required modules (as far as I can tell) and I can enable Silent Picture in simple, burst, burst end trigger, best shots, and Slit-Scan. When using burst it only takes 13 frames to the buffer then records them to the card. How to I set it to shoot continuous straight to the card?
Where can I test the crop mode resolutions too?
I'm sorry, I've been digging through the forums and cant seem to find this information. I apologize if it is listed somewhere and I missed it.
Quote from: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:03:22 AM
I must have missed something regarding using the Silent Picture mode. I loaded the required modules (as far as I can tell) and I can enable Silent Picture in simple, burst, burst end trigger, best shots, and Slit-Scan. When using burst it only takes 13 frames to the buffer then records them to the card. How to I set it to shoot continuous straight to the card?
Where can I test the crop mode resolutions too?
I'm sorry, I've been digging through the forums and cant seem to find this information. I apologize if it is listed somewhere and I missed it.
I think that's why it's called "burst mode". There is NO continuous for now.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 08, 2013, 07:07:21 AM
I think that's why it's called "burst mode". There is NO continuous for now.
Believe me, I understand this. I apologize if what I wrote seemed to imply the 7D is capable of recording for long periods. It looks like the average seems to be 2 seconds or so of recording. Though 13 frames for me seems disappointingly low. I was wondering if I was using the incorrect function, since it seems to write to a buffer first, then the card.
Quote from: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:15:06 AM
Believe me, I understand this. I apologize if what I wrote seemed to imply the 7D is capable of recording for long periods. It looks like the average seems to be 2 seconds or so of recording. Though 13 frames for me seems disappointingly low. I was wondering if I was using the incorrect function, since it seems to write to a buffer first, then the card.
what kind of card are you using in terms of speed? also, try to hold down the half press longer until it fills up.
edit:
ok, I just tested now. For burst mode, its not the card speed but just the buffer thats involved.
133 X CF card= 41 frames
1000X CF card=41 frames
You must have released your finger from the shutter half press before the buffer filled up.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 08, 2013, 07:19:32 AM
what kind of card are you using in terms of speed? also, try to hold down the half press longer until it fills up.
Tried holding it longer, doesn't go longer then 13 frames for both my 32GB cards (400x Transend, 30MB/s Sandisk neither are super quick) I got a Komputerbay 1000x card, but didn't realize there was a limitation to installing firmware on a card larger then 32 GB (the 5D3 can boot off the smaller SD, wish the 7D had a SD slot!) I guess I was doing it right? Hah! 13 frames!
Quote from: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:36:43 AM
Tried holding it longer, doesn't go longer then 13 frames for both my 32GB cards (400x Transend, 30MB/s Sandisk neither are super quick) I got a Komputerbay 1000x card, but didn't realize there was a limitation to installing firmware on a card larger then 32 GB (the 5D3 can boot off the smaller SD, wish the 7D had a SD slot!) I guess I was doing it right? Hah! 13 frames!
you can still install up to 64 gig on the 7D. 128 is the one not able to handle firmware and ML.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 08, 2013, 07:38:28 AM
you can still install up to 64 gig on the 7D. 128 is the one not able to handle firmware and ML.
Guess which one I got? :-[ It is not that much more expensive then the 64. Oh well! Thanks for the assistance.
Quote from: flofifull on August 07, 2013, 10:57:16 PM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.
2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :
Edit: Modified link to embed 8)
This is so cool. I am existed about how this can go.
I am just not seeming to get crop mode to work the raw is fine but no crop mode yet. Please can you help. How / where do I enable crop mode? Thanks for all your video test as well.
Quote from: MaxK7D on August 08, 2013, 07:56:15 AM
This is so cool. I am existed about how this can go.
I am just not seeming to get crop mode to work the raw is fine but no crop mode yet. Please can you help. How / where do I enable crop mode? Thanks for all your video test as well.
Just hit the zoom button that you would normally use for focusing. It'll bring you to a X5 zoom. It will then capture 2.5k raw images.
When will the raw rec module be out?
Here's a totally quick and dirty look at the full sensor vs. the crop mode.
(http://i.imgur.com/FzsjCv4l.jpg)
H.264 still
(http://i.imgur.com/DgeJskel.jpg)
Regular raw still
(http://i.imgur.com/19Atvjul.jpg)
Crop still
The crop appears to be 2x (18in. covered vs. 36in.), that is if you use the full width and letterbox it. If you fit it to 1920x1080, it's about 2.38x. These are on top of the 1.6x APS-C crop.
I made a custom cropmark to use with the crop sensor to frame the image. Drop this in your ML/CROPMKS folder and you can enable this for framing. Frame up in regular view before hitting the zoom button.
http://www.johnstonbrospictures.com/resources/CROP.bmp
Happy shooting!
@petejohnst
Thank you for this. Going give a try on this... hope today :D
Quote from: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:36:43 AM
Tried holding it longer, doesn't go longer then 13 frames for both my 32GB cards (400x Transend, 30MB/s Sandisk neither are super quick) I got a Komputerbay 1000x card, but didn't realize there was a limitation to installing firmware on a card larger then 32 GB (the 5D3 can boot off the smaller SD, wish the 7D had a SD slot!) I guess I was doing it right? Hah! 13 frames!
Change it for SRaw :)
And I'll throw my short test into the ring. I tried to take some of the same shots with raw and h.264 and grade to loosely match.
I have a quick question. I haven't been able to find it on both the 7d raw threads. I am able to shoot burst dng's but noticed that it shoots at 30fps instead of 24. which gives you closer to 1.3 seconds instead of around 2 seconds if I were to shoot at 24fps. Any way to set the framerate to 24? Or just switch the timecode and end up with slightly slower video?
Thank you, Andrei
Edit:
Woops, I just had my sequence settings set up wrong!
Thanks to Aaron (vimeo.com/user10880142), by setting the still image resolution to S2, i can now record 69 frames (1736 x 1156 pixels) and 59 frames of 2.5K (always with transcend 400X CF card).
And same number of frames with Lexar 1000x 32Go...
i changed to sraw in menu end it's records the same amount of frames like before 41(1736 x 1156 pixels) and 35 of 2.5k,did you changed anything else to?
i use sandisk 8gb 60mb/s
Quote from: szigiszmund on August 08, 2013, 10:49:35 PM
i changed to sraw in menu end it's records the same amount of frames like before 41(1736 x 1156 pixels) and 35 of 2.5k,did you changed anything else to?
i use sandisk 8gb 60mb/s
Please, read things twice, before you post unnecessary questions. He didn´t say sRaw, he said S2 ( which is the second jpeg format, the one with the rough steps) Disable raw completey.
Hope I could help you. Greetings
Yes :D
69 frames in normal
59 frames in crop x5
For who don't understand: Go to the first tab in canon menu and put the quality for your picture in the lowest jpeg (s) and without the raw. With this you can record more frames with your silent burst picture.
Thank you flofifull and Aaron A
Also with the cropmark of petejohnst its a lot more easy to frame in 2.5k, thanks.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 09, 2013, 12:13:49 AM
Yes :D
69 frames in normal
59 frames in crop x5
For who don't understand: Go to the first tab in canon menu and put the quality for your picture in the lowest jpeg (s) and without the raw. With this you can record more frames with your silent burst picture.
Thank you flofifull and Aaron A
Also with the cropmark of petejohnst its a lot more easy to frame in 2.5k, thanks.
Yes! This was the info I was looking for! Thank You all! I had it on L and Raw, thats why I was only getting 13 frames. Wow, switching to SJPG (still takes RAW shots to card) gives me 69 frames now!
Was experimenting with changing the quality to jpeg yesterday. Pretty cool that we get more frames, does any one know if it impacts the quality in the dng's ? i couldn't notice anything :)
@tiktak There won't be any change in the quality of the DNGs. Like with the other raw capable Canon DSLRs, setting the picture quality to sJPG frees up more of the buffer and hence we get more frames before it fills up.
Quote from: stevelucky on August 08, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
Just hit the zoom button that you would normally use for focusing. It'll bring you to a X5 zoom. It will then capture 2.5k raw images.
Thanks, it works. Time to play.
Never tested if the dng's was recorded with lower quality with this settings. I think for see if the quality is the same is to view the size of the file. Later, in the afternoon, i will check if records with the same size and post here the results.
Edit:
Only JPEG S
Crop x5= 5.318 kb
Normal = 4.062 kb
Weird, I've been getting 69/59 frames all along and my quality has been set on L Fine. Doesn't seem like I'm doing anything else differently, but I've never had it drop below this. Sadly, changing it to S2 didn't free up any more buffer! :)
First off, I wanted to express my sincere gratitude to all the developers over at Magic Lantern for their hard work. You all are doing some seriously awesome and amazing work!
Next, I wanted to ask if there is anything a moderately tech savvy non-coder can do at this juncture to help out the developers in making their way to the next full build for the 7d, including raw video recording? From reading through the forums, it seems that right now what is left to be figured out is a way to enable fps override so as to enable continuous raw video recording on the 7d. I'm unclear about what the process entails, but if there is some monkey work type tasks that can be given to the enthusiastic community at large by the developers, I know that I for one would step up (assuming of course that the job of explaining what would need to be done to laymen would be simpler/more efficient than doing the actual task )
In any case, holding my breath and super excited about the potential of my lowly little 7d becoming a raw video beast!
Thanks again.
Joe :)
Footage is amazing if they manage to get atleast 500-720 frames out of 2.5k that would be amazing might be worth pickin up a 7D. I'm sure you guys will be at continuous on other resolutions in no time. Gotta love ML
Quote from: petejohnst on August 08, 2013, 04:06:26 PM
The crop appears to be 2x (18in. covered vs. 36in.), that is if you use the full width and letterbox it. If you fit it to 1920x1080, it's about 2.38x. These are on top of the 1.6x APS-C crop.
I made a custom cropmark to use with the crop sensor to frame the image. Drop this in your ML/CROPMKS folder and you can enable this for framing. Frame up in regular view before hitting the zoom button.
http://www.johnstonbrospictures.com/resources/CROP.bmp
This should work on my 60D no? I have to see if the crop overlay causes pink frames or not but hey its worth a try thanks for this!
I am getting 128 frames @ 1736x694 using the "s jpeg" only* and 59 @ 2.5k. Sometimes i get some corrupted frames.
Some of them are a pinky mess and some have some skewing and or lineskipping.
Will test some more tomorrow..
I was using sandisk extreme cards rated at 60 mb/s.
* Do not also select raw.
Quote from: wonderfilm on August 09, 2013, 06:01:18 PM
First off, I wanted to express my sincere gratitude to all the developers over at Magic Lantern for their hard work. You all are doing some seriously awesome and amazing work!
Next, I wanted to ask if there is anything a moderately tech savvy non-coder can do at this juncture to help out the developers in making their way to the next full build for the 7d, including raw video recording? From reading through the forums, it seems that right now what is left to be figured out is a way to enable fps override so as to enable continuous raw video recording on the 7d. I'm unclear about what the process entails, but if there is some monkey work type tasks that can be given to the enthusiastic community at large by the developers, I know that I for one would step up (assuming of course that the job of explaining what would need to be done to laymen would be simpler/more efficient than doing the actual task )
In any case, holding my breath and super excited about the potential of my lowly little 7d becoming a raw video beast!
Thanks again.
Joe :)
I was gonna suggest the same thing. I want the 7D to be as full as possible, and I am SO excited!!! Not a programmer but I am very nerd indeed!! Would love to help Pelican so much, so if there is any "monkey work" that can be done, like finding stuff through the code or something, I don't know, ANYTHING! will be willing to do it!!!!! Also would love to implement some audio features like headphones monitoring.. and stuff like that... Is it really hard to learn how to program this?? I have a tiny background on programming.. so I understand quite a bit.. but I feel this is dangerous!!
Thanks!!
More one video in 2.5k raw
-I didn't use a tripod, only what exist in the street for give me some kind of stabilization and after in post i used the warp stabilizer from cs6.
-Color correction, i have done some and in some scenes heavy grading, just to see how 14bits can handle and i must say, awesome. Wend i past the dng to after effects i just adjust the levels of blacks and whites with camera raw, then some grading in the timeline.
-It's was difficult to me to handle the dng files and for grading it's to ward to me/computer. I move a slide and just after a few seconds it will do the job.
-For exporting it take me about 35 minutes.
-My workflow: Put each scene (dng's) in different folders. Open AE and import each folder with dng's files, it will open camera raw , i just level the blacks and whites. Make sequence, color correction and some grading. Export with h.264 (1080p vimeo preset) at 30fps.
-I think i have to transcribe from dng's to other format, for handle better in premiere or after effects. I want to go ProRes but im using pc and i think is only for mac... if some one can give me hint would be nice =))
What i can say about this experince? Once you go 2.5k you'll never go back !!!
(damn vimeo... it just let me upload one HD video per week :'( im going upload in youtube)...and youtube only 720p . But evan at 720p it's amazing the 2,5k downscale to 1080p...needed to wait to get 1080p in youtube =)))
First raw module for the 7D
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg65698#msg65698
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 05:33:12 PM
I think i have to transcribe from dng's to other format, for handle better in premiere or after effects. I want to go ProRes but im using pc and i think is only for mac... if some one can give me hint would be nice =))
On windows go to DNxHD 444 10bit. Its awesome IMHO. Transcoding DNGs to DNxHD via Davinci Resolve is a couple times faster (if you have nvidia card) than doing the same via AE or premiere. Unfortunatelly resolve is not as brilliant in recovering highlights and shadows as ACR, but its quick.
Quote from: kgv5 on August 10, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
On windows go to DNxHD 444 10bit. Its awesome IMHO. Transcoding DNGs to DNxHD via Davinci Resolve is a couple times faster (if you have nvidia card) than doing the same via AE or premiere. Unfortunatelly resolve is not as brilliant in recovering highlights and shadows as ACR, but its quick.
Thank you Kgv5 :D
Yes, i got nvidia card, never try Resolve but ACR is very good in recovery, no doubt about that. I going try with DNxHD like you say. After transcoding just deal with the files like a normal file in after effects/premiere?
I think i don't have DNxHD codec, need to download from Avid...
@Kgv5
I know that exist a few app for transconding the raw files (new module for 7D) in your opinion whats is the best app to do this?
Thank you... big time :D
No problem! Definetely check resolve, you can download 9.1.5 lite version for free, it is completely useful tool. I believe it has DNxHD built in (i dont remember instaling any avid things on my computer). Check also workflow threads, almost everything is described there.
cheers
Quote from: kgv5 on August 10, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
No problem! Definetely check resolve, you can download 9.1.5 lite version for free, it is completely useful tool. I believe it has DNxHD built in (i dont remember instaling any avid things on my computer). Check also workflow threads, almost everything is described there.
cheers
Thank you U rock :D
Solved
Back from the store with a 1000x card , going to give this a try
Quote from: kh3naz on August 10, 2013, 10:15:45 PM
Solved
Do already have the "new" ML in your camera? And camera are autoboot?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0Good :D
Im curiouse for see how much an x1000 can handle the raw.
Well , i'm still trying to figure out how to install ML , i'm having some issues you can read my post Here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg65786#msg65786 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg65786#msg65786)
EDIT:
Pelican gave me a link to an older version of EOScard.exe and ML is up and running
will test it out and hopefully post some results
I've been trying out raw video on my camera and can record continuous 960x540 but I have a slow card. I'm also really interested to see what a x1000 card can do. The komputerbay 64gb looks good.
For now a 1000x card can shoot RAW continuous at these resolutions :
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 11, 2013, 05:49:09 AM
Here's a list of raw continuous recording resolutions using 1000x cf card
24P & 30P
1728 x 576
1600 x 534
1472 x 626
1344 x 610
1280 x 582
1152 x 622
60P
1728 x 308
1600 x 382
1472 x 420
1344 x 436
1280 x 486
1152 x 464
Quote from: kh3naz on August 11, 2013, 06:40:23 AM
For now a 1000x card can shoot RAW continuous at these resolutions :
I wander what the write speeds were on that card. It doesn't seem to be at the 7d's potential.
Quote from: nick.p on August 11, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
I wander what the write speeds were on that card. It doesn't seem to be at the 7d's potential.
I have no idea , i'm just here to test whatever they throw at us ;D
However i'm crossing my finger that the potential of the 7D is much better , that 2.5k with no line skipping thing is driving me nuts !
Going to post some tests tomorow
Quote from: nick.p on August 11, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
I wander what the write speeds were on that card. It doesn't seem to be at the 7d's potential.
Here's the benchmark of the 1000x cf lexar done in the 7D.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/282939_356646907799433_1517976398_n.jpg)
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 11, 2013, 07:59:22 AM
Here's the benchmark of the 1000x cf lexar done in the 7D.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/282939_356646907799433_1517976398_n.jpg)
I'm no expert but I quick guesstimate puts your maximum bitrate at approx 50 mB/s judging from your continuous 30p resolutions. That is a fair way under the write speeds you got here.
Result on 7D KomputerBay 128GB 1000x
(http://copy.com/00qdsHsKeWjh)
Quote from: juantamad on August 11, 2013, 08:47:19 AM
Result on 7D KomputerBay 128GB 1000x
(http://copy.com/00qdsHsKeWjh)
"Lazy John" ;)
Your among the few lucky ones that got the 128 to work on the 7D.
When did you get your card? Seems like its from an earlier batch (ver.1)
since the data rate is slower.
Ver 2 is now faster BUT we can't get them to work with both 5D and 7D.
@ted
Thanks for the 1st sentence.
Last June.
I used 32GB Sandisk Extreme to install .fir on 7D.
Changed to 128GB KB, format card into camera.
Download "Pelicans" modules.
I used BootDisk for MACOS X 10.8
Quote from: juantamad on August 11, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
@ted
Thanks for the 1st sentence.
Last June.
I used 32GB Sandisk Extreme to install .fir on 7D.
Changed to 128GB KB, format card into camera.
Download "Pelicans" modules.
I used BootDisk for MACOS X 10.8
Thank you for providing that information.
Bug:
After recording the screen freezes and doesn't switch back to "liveview". (EDIT): Press Menu -> Shutter release half pressed (or any other button) -> back to normal.
Clean install today, downloaded RAW module from Pelican's site.
Ciao, Walter
got same, after recording, screen freeze, but still record. half press not back to normal. i have to switch off live view...
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 11, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
After recording the screen freezes and doesn't switch back to "liveview". (EDIT): Press Menu -> Shutter release half pressed (or any other button) -> back to normal.
Quote from: obiyan19 on August 11, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
got same, after recording, screen freeze, but still record. half press not back to normal. i have to switch off live view...
After recording? Not instantly?
For me the screen freezes in that moment when I start the record (push the Start/Stop button).
Of course you're right! It freezes the moment the record is *started*. Sorry for my germish ...
If the record session is stopped by pressing the record button again the screen remain frozen but it will get unlocked by MENU and shutter release half pressed. If you press MENU during recording you will get stuck with a blank screen after pressing shutter release half. Stop recording, press PLAY and then shutter release half and you're back to live view.
Ciao, Walter
I get the same behavior. It freezes instantly after the button is pressed.
EDIT: I should add that my zebras continue to update properly.
Quote from: Pelican on August 11, 2013, 12:59:28 PM
After recording? Not instantly?
For me the screen freezes in that moment when I start the record (push the Start/Stop button).
yesn sorry , screen freeze when start...
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 11, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
Of course you're right! It freezes the moment the record is *started*. Sorry for my germish ...
If the record session is stopped by pressing the record button again the screen remain frozen but it will get unlocked by MENU and shutter release half pressed. If you press MENU during recording you will get stuck with a blank screen after pressing shutter release half. Stop recording, press PLAY and then shutter release half and you're back to live view.
Ciao, Walter
I am experiencing the exact same behavior. Do you guys think it could be due to my slow CF cards ?? evan though i am trying to record raw video at the lowest resolution. The cards is am using are the PQi 32GB 150x and the Sandisk extreme 4GB. regards Marty. PS: great for ML team for all the developing :) and users for the contributions.
This issue doesn't have anything to do with card speed.
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 11, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
This issue doesn't have anything to do with card speed.
Indeed, it's code.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 11, 2013, 02:35:21 PM
Indeed, it's code.
now that Pelican is gone till october anyone up to the task to finish this great raw rec module?
Quote from: edingacic on August 11, 2013, 03:52:13 PM
now that Pelican is gone till october anyone up to the task to finish this great raw rec module?
Nobody else is working on the 7D ?
As far as I understand no
I'm afraid not, at least for raw module. A1ex and g3gg0 working in other stuff... we will benefit from it but we need some one that can work in the raw module.
Quote from: Thomas Worth on August 11, 2013, 09:21:23 PM
Here's raw_rec.mo with Pelican's changes:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/17wrac41a1oi4bu/raw_rec.mo
I didn't notice any :-\
Well that was fun , it showed me that i truly needed 2.5k+ and RAW , for more than 2 secs ;D
I'm going to preorder the BMPC4k and be done with it
Thank you all for your hard work !!
Quote from: kh3naz on August 11, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
Well that was fun , it showed me that i truly needed 2.5k+ and RAW , for more than 2 secs ;D
I'm going to preorder the BMPC4k and be done with it
Thank you all for your hard work !!
If you got the money just go for it :D
Hello! I installed magiclantern on my 7D as explained the guide, with the modules: dual iso, file man, pic view and ettr. But when I paste in the MODULES folder card "rec raw" module does not work either ... It says "Linkin failed" at all. What I can do? Thank you very much!
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 12, 2013, 07:47:00 PM
Hello! I installed magiclantern on my 7D as explained the guide, with the modules: dual iso, file man, pic view and ettr. But when I paste in the MODULES folder card "rec raw" module does not work either ... It says "Linkin failed" at all. What I can do? Thank you very much!
juan,
Is it the latest august 11 raw_rec module from pelican but compiled by Thomas Worth?
If so, download it again and copy paste again into your CF. I also got a file error when I loaded modules in ML menu. Re-downloaded, copy pasted it again and it loaded.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 12, 2013, 10:07:19 PM
juan,
Is it the latest august 11 raw_rec module from pelican but compiled by Thomas Worth?
If so, download it again and copy paste again into your CF. I also got a file error when I loaded modules in ML menu. Re-downloaded, copy pasted it again and it loaded.
Thank you very much for the help Ted! Yes, the module "raw_rec" that is installed on 11th August, but does not work. When I copy "raw_rec" in the modules folder does not work any module. I downloaded the files again and I have copied to the card, but does not work. Could you send your files in the "CF" email to prove it?
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 12, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
Thank you very much for the help Ted! Yes, the module "raw_rec" that is installed on 11th August, but does not work. When I copy "raw_rec" in the modules folder does not work any module. I downloaded the files again and I have copied to the card, but does not work. Could you send your files in the "CF" email to prove it?
here's what i did completely.
After i found that aug 11 raw_rec had file error. I took cf out.
I re-copied an older one by pelican aug 10. Boot up- raw-rec loaded.
Took out cf.
Re downloaded one posted by thomas -overwrite the aug 10 with the just downloaded aug 11 and it loaded.
I'll send you via email the raw_rec if you have problems.
just a quick test from my balcony
@kh3naz
Nice video! 2.5k is beautiful :D
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 12, 2013, 11:23:27 PM
@kh3naz
Nice video! 2.5k is beautiful :D
Thanks!
unfortunately the video is really compressed on vimeo , i think ill give youtube a try with "original" quality
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 12, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
Thank you very much for the help Ted! Yes, the module "raw_rec" that is installed on 11th August, but does not work. When I copy "raw_rec" in the modules folder does not work any module. I downloaded the files again and I have copied to the card, but does not work. Could you send your files in the "CF" email to prove it?
If it helps, I renamed the module to all capital letters and didn't have any problems. Maybe that is the issue?
Quote from: nick.p on August 13, 2013, 07:41:45 AM
If it helps, I renamed the module to all capital letters and didn't have any problems. Maybe that is the issue?
Hello! Thanks nick.p! Do I have to put capital letters only to the module "raw_rec" or all the files in the modules folder? I'll try it this afternoon. Thank you very much for the help!
I do not know what is the problem but all modules work until I install the module raw_rec... :(
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 13, 2013, 08:47:24 AM
Hello! Thanks nick.p! Do I have to put capital letters only to the module "raw_rec" or all the files in the modules folder? I'll try it this afternoon. Thank you very much for the help!
I do not know what is the problem but all modules work until I install the module raw_rec... :(
I renamed every letter so it looked something like RAW_REC.MO.
Started testing with my 1000x KomputerBay card.
1728x567 and 1600x600 at 24p = continuous.
When resolution goes above 600 pixels, no matter what the data-rate or horizontal resolution the camera switches to a mode of operation which is completely different.
It fills the buffer like Silent Pics and won't empty the buffer and write to the card at the same time. Drop to 600 or below and the red indicator blinks whilst recording, video goes direct to the card and the buffer hardly even begins to fill. The frame past 600 pixels vertically is corrupt.
EOSHD
My KomputerBay 1000x 64gb card is displaying the exact same behavior as Andrew's.
1728x567 works and 1600x600 as well, continuous. I thought that 600px vertical was the max, however I was getting continuous recording at 1472x626 as well.
going over these resolutions vertically, I experience the same as Andrew and all of the frames are corrupted past 600px vertical.
Hi everybody,
i'm really new to ML.
I just installed it and works nice (still hadn't made my CF bootable so i just have to restart ML everytime i switch the camera off, but no problem).
My issue here is that i can't shoot raw. I can't find the option in the ML menu.
I read that there are some extra files to download and replace called "7D_203.sym.txt" and "autoexec.bin" but i can't find any of them on my CF to replace with the downloaded ones.
So, maybe i'm missing something.
Sorry if i'm asking something already covered in other threads, but i tried to search for a solution and still haven't found any.
I'm obviously working on a 7D with Macbook pro OsX Lion.
Can you provide me a "dumb-proof" step by step guide to get the raw shooting option working on my camera?
Thanks to anybody that would help me.
Stupidly, OSX adds the .txt extension when you download the file. You have to instead ctrl-click the link, choose "Download Linked File As...", make sure the filename ends with .sym not .sym.txt and then when OSX prompts you to add text file extension tell it to f**k off :)
Almost as bad behaviour as auto-save and removal of save as in many new OSX apps. Apple going down hill.
@ biere1
Here is your "dumb-proof" :D
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
This threat only have 6 pages ::)
Quote from: EOSHD on August 13, 2013, 09:48:33 PM
Started testing with my 1000x KomputerBay card.
1728x567 and 1600x600 at 24p = continuous.
When resolution goes above 600 pixels, no matter what the data-rate or horizontal resolution the camera switches to a mode of operation which is completely different.
It fills the buffer like Silent Pics and won't empty the buffer and write to the card at the same time. Drop to 600 or below and the red indicator blinks whilst recording, video goes direct to the card and the buffer hardly even begins to fill. The frame past 600 pixels vertically is corrupt.
Yes, is what happen. Didn't know above the 600 pixels switches to a different mode of operation. Now we just need some one with good will (and free time) that can adjust the code ::)
Just wanted to share this with you guys.
Quote from: nick.p on August 13, 2013, 08:49:00 AM
I renamed every letter so it looked something like RAW_REC.MO.
Hi!
I tried to change the letters by capital letters, but does not work. All modules work, but... when I put the "raw_rec" in modules folder do not work nothing. Also when I turn on the camera I get a message that says "is not AV Mode". I'll try another card later.
Thank you very much to all for the help!
@britom
Love the video, love the music :D
What workflow did you use? I see also some flicker in the sky, did you use ACR in the workflow?
@juanmelchor
You need to update your raw module... but also 2 more files. In total,
7D_203.sym
autoexec.bin
raw_rec.mo
Here you will get wall the info that you need,
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.1275
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg65694#msg65694 <--- Files
Go to warning settings in ML menu and disable the warning for the Av Mode ::)
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 14, 2013, 09:12:23 AMwhen I put the "raw_rec" in modules folder do not work nothing. Also when I turn on the camera I get a message that says "is not AV Mode". I'll try another card later.
See http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.msg66589#msg66589 and below.
Ciao
Walter
Hi Guys,
thanks for your help, but i'm still not getting to the point.
I try to better explain my situation:
I've already read the instructions on the forum and already installed the alpha firmware, but not making the CF bootable.
I've installed everything following ML wiki-instructions.
Everything was pretty easy: updated to the last canon firmware, downloaded ML and run it from the camera.
It works! but i don't have any module such as raw, silent burst or any other.
So i came here and tryed to understand and i've seen there is a complete different way to install the software, but, as i'm on a mac, i got confused since i can't understand what exactly i have to do.
(in the first place it seemed i had to use eos utility, but now seems i can skip it).
I'm really sorry for bothering you with silly questions :-[
Quote from: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 09:35:34 AM
Hi Guys,
thanks for your help, but i'm still not getting to the point.
I try to better explain my situation:
I've already read the instructions on the forum and already installed the alpha firmware, but not making the CF bootable.
I've installed everything following ML wiki-instructions.
Everything was pretty easy: updated to the last canon firmware, downloaded ML and run it from the camera.
It works! but i don't have any module such as raw, silent burst or any other.
So i came here and tryed to understand and i've seen there is a complete different way to install the software, but, as i'm on a mac, i got confused since i can't understand what exactly i have to do.
(in the first place it seemed i had to use eos utility, but now seems i can skip it).
I'm really sorry for bothering you with silly questions :-[
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
See http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.msg66589#msg66589 and below.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
@britom
Love the video, love the music :D
What workflow did you use? I see also some flicker in the sky, did you use ACR in the workflow?
@juanmelchor
You need to update your raw module... but also 2 more files. In total,
7D_203.sym
autoexec.bin
raw_rec.mo
Here you will get wall the info that you need,
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.1275
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg65694#msg65694 <--- Files
Go to warning settings in ML menu and disable the warning for the Av Mode ::)
Hi,
Today I will try everything you have told me. Thank you very much arrinkiiii and Walter Schulz! ;D
hi arrinkiiii,
thanks for your reply, but just linking to the same instruction page doesn't help me much.
I wrote that i've read the instructions, but i get confused...mainly because they're for PC users and i'm on a mac, so some of the files i need to download don't work for me.
I also tried to follow the "if you're on a mac" posts, but (as i said before) i got confused since the information are a bit technical, spread around different posts and sometimes are different (ex: in the first place seemed that EOS utility was needed and then not).
What i asked (ad would REALLY help me) is a "mac user step by step guide" to get raw shooting so that a newbie like me can just follow along.
Thanks again.
I am windows user ??? Let see if some mac user can help you... can't help more than the instructions, sorry :(
no problem...thanks anyway...
any mac user out there that would help me?
I'm a mac user and got it to work.. I used Prarllels to use the EOScard software.. That fixed it for me.. You can see if the new firmware is working with bootflag by the new and updated GUI
Did you enable the bootflag?
Quote from: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
no problem...thanks anyway...
any mac user out there that would help me?
Quote from: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
no problem...thanks anyway...
any mac user out there that would help me?
You are trying to do impossible thing: the original, non-bootable 7DMLa2 never will work with modules.
You have to use the latest, module capable autoexec.bin for the raw_rec (and other) modules.
Just follow the instructions for the mac users and use macboot instead of EOScard to make your card bootable.
(Or just simply sell your macbook :) and buy a decent laptop)
Greetings from Sao Paolo
Quote from: Pelican on August 14, 2013, 12:50:07 PM
(Or just simply sell your macbook :) and buy a decent laptop)
HAHAH ;D
Tudo bem cara? Fez boa viagem? É noix!
Abraço para voçe e para toda a galera.
MAC USERS
There is a free trial of Paralells here:
http://www.parallels.com/download/desktop/ (http://www.parallels.com/download/desktop/)
There is a free trial of Windows 7 from Digital River here:
http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-24209.iso (http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-24209.iso)
just follow the instructions here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0)
;)
Hello!
A little help for mac users:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/prhvvukktwn3wfz/7D.zip
contain:
1. booton.fir - patched firmware which will enable boot flag in your camera
2. bootoff.fir - patched firmware which will disable boot flag
3. 7D000203.FIR - original firmware 2.0.3
4. MacBoot - java application wich help you make your CF card bootable
5. run – shell script to run java app properly.
6. Magic Lantern Pelican's build with all modules and fixes.
Download, unpack.
1. Enable bootflag on your camera, put booton.fir to root of your CF card, insert it in camera and update firmware, extract CF, delete booton.fir
2. Put original 7D000203.FIR to root of your CF card, insert, update, eject, delete 7D000203.FIR
3. Take any CF insert to your ugly macbook (use card reader of course), double-click "run" script, enter your admin (root) password, note that you should have installed Java (download from Oracle if not).
4. In MacBoot interface select size of CF card which you inserted and press Refresh then select "Make DSLR-bootable" and press Prepare Card
5. Copy all folders and files from "To root of CF card" folder to root of you prepared CF card ;)
6. Insert it to you lovely 7D and power on.
7. Press trashcan button, Navigate to "M" menu and load all modules
8. have a nice sex :)
P.S.
Sorry for poor English.
P.P.S.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uvrwzmy740a90b/tools.zip
This is compiled dcraw and cr2hdr you will need it in near future :)
unpack to Desktop, press Cmd-Shift-G in dialog type /usr/local/bin press enter
drag these files (dcraw and cr2hdr) to this opened window with name "bin"
open Terminal.app and try to type dcraw and press enter, you should see something like this:
DenJS-MacBookAir:~ denjs$ dcraw
Raw photo decoder "dcraw" v9.19
by Dave Coffin, dcoffin a cybercom o net
Usage: dcraw [OPTION]... [FILE]...
if yes then you on right way...
I installed the latest 7D build this morning, and had a mess with the silent picture burst.
Got 69 frames on the default settings and 58 frames zoomed in.
How are people getting more then 2 seconds of RAW footage though? Am I missing some settings or something?
Quote from: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
I installed the latest 7D build this morning, and had a mess with the silent picture burst.
Got 69 frames on the default settings and 58 frames zoomed in.
How are people getting more then 2 seconds of RAW footage though? Am I missing some settings or something?
In Silent burst mode only that frames.
Did you read this threat? :D
And this also:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.50
Finally! Yes! Magiclantern with raw_rec work in my camera! :) But... while I'm recording video raw on the screen does not display the live image is frozen. Is it normal?
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
In Silent burst mode only that frames.
Did you read this threat? :D
And this also:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.50
I have downloaded the raw_rec.mo, autoexec.bin and 7D_203.sym files. I put the .mo file in the modules folder, and replaced autoexec.bin at the root of the card. There was no 7D_203.sym file to overwrite.
Started up ML and loaded the modules, but got errors for all of them and none of them loaded.
Any ideas?
@juanmelchor: Yes, it's just sad but the most recent version is not usable.
@mr_pablo: Download the newest EOScard utility from http://www.pel.hu/down and reinstall ML to your card. Afterwards copy those 3 files to their destinations. RAW will work then and not. See juanmelchor's post.
Ciao, Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
@juanmelchor: Yes, it's just sad but the most recent version is not usable.
Walter I wouldn't call it totally unusable. While it is a pain to only be able to frame a shot, and not be able to track or follow focus, the current raw_rec module does record images to the card, and the images I've played with so far are pretty nice. Just frame a shot, hit record, capture as much as you think you can with out being able to see a live feed, end record, and then hit the menu button twice to unfreeze the display.
I'm uploading a test video with the current raw_rec build today, I'll post it here when I get around to it.
It's far from perfect, but I wouldn't discourage people from testing it. Especially since it seems we might not have a better build for a while.
Cheers, and thanks to everyone who has gotten it this far.
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
@juanmelchor: Yes, it's just sad but the most recent version is not usable.
@mr_pablo: Download the newest EOScard utility from http://www.pel.hu/down and reinstall ML to your card. Afterwards copy those 3 files to their destinations. RAW will work then and not. See juanmelchor's post.
Ciao, Walter
The version of EOSCard I used this morning was the latest.
Quote from: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 07:12:27 PMThe version of EOSCard I used this morning was the latest.
Format the card in your cardreader (NTFS or ExFat), put it into your cam, format it there, put it back to cardreader and let EOScard run. Copy the files after EOScard has written the file structure and boot record.
Ciao, Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
Format the card in your cardreader (NTFS or ExFat), put it into your cam, format it there, put it back to cardreader and let EOScard run. Copy the files after EOScard has written the file structure and boot record.
Ciao, Walter
I have done all that. I then tried to install the raw_rec.mo plugin, but it didn't work (see my original post above).
If you have done it once: Do it twice.
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 07:54:59 PM
If you have done it once: Do it twice.
Question is, why do I not see a 7D_203.sym file on a fresh ML card install?
I know I'm late to the party, but I might as well put my video from last week up. I was still using RAW burst mode at the time:
Quote from: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
Question is, why do I not see a 7D_203.sym file on a fresh ML card install?
I guess you missed reading about right clicking the ML symbol. Make sure to mark "Ports in progress" and "7D 2.0.3 alpha2". Press "Save" after EOScard has downloaded the files.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 08:14:27 PM
I guess you missed reading about right clicking the ML symbol. Make sure to mark "Ports in progress" and "7D 2.0.3 alpha2". Press "Save" after EOScard has downloaded the files.
Ciao
Walter
No, seeing as that is what I did in the very first place to get ML to work, minus the raw_rec.mo plugin. Stop being condescending.
I just repeated the EOScard part on one of my cards. Sym-file is there.
I have no idea what is going wrong on your side. You are using EOScard 1.38 dated 10.Aug.2013?
EDIT: Tried again with EOScard 1.40 dated 14.Aug.2013. Sym-file is there, too.
Ciao, Walter
Quick test using the raw_rec module that freezes the live view.
https://vimeo.com/72361823
All 60 fps, mostly 1280 x 344 but i think theres one or two that are 1600 x whatever the 2.37 aspect ratio height is.
Converted using raw magic, resized and graded in Resolve with a fuji film 3510 LUT to base off of, compiled in premiere, exported as 1280 x 720.
Here's another from about a week ago using the silent picture burst mode still and graded in ACR:
https://vimeo.com/72117045
Sandisk 60 mb/s card
benchmarked at a max of 54 mb/s read and write speed.
Just to clarify, setting the raw/jpeg quality to s2 and filming in raw, still means a raw stream right? Even though the camera thinks it's in jpeg s2? Been doing some tests today with some good continuous shots and they are blowing me away. Cannot wait for live view to be sorted out. I wish I knew how to help!
I know there are a lot of posts about this, and I'm not sure I've seen a reply... But is there any way we as users can create incentive in the development of the 7d RAW recording over other features? Seems like it's just about waiting for a programmer to decide to take up the cause. Is there a way we can do a kickstarter to pay for a programmer to work on 7d RAW for a week or something? I know that would be something I'd be willing to pay 20 bucks for. I know ML can't get paid for their work, but maybe a freelance wonder coder could come in and take that money to help out the team.
Quote from: Bx3mE on August 15, 2013, 12:32:13 AM
I have a 7D with ML and love programming. For me is just the getting started barrier that i have to overcome :) Someone have a set up Virtual Machine to share?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.msg66992#msg66992
..
Hi Ted :D
uhmmm, not really, just for awser to dne202.
In some level i agree with dne202 but in the other side ML have a different philosophy. But only the masters will know what to do.
And talking about philosophy... looks we got a programmer that whats to give a try, Bx3mE. But let see my friend, were the wind take us ;D
I hope help will come soon or else I too will practice my rain dance moves! I'll bring maracas!
On a serious note I have high hopes especially if the dual iso can also go to video in 7D as i notice better color aliasing handling on a dual iso image than that in normal mode.
This is based on resolution chart tests which i also sent to a1ex.
Pelican has just updated EOScard.
Quote from: Pelican on August 14, 2013, 11:57:45 PM
EOScard 1.40 fixes:
- during unzipping ML files and folders it creates the empty folders (e.g. scripts) and preserve file dates
- info hint on autoexec.bin (version if found, date, size)
his link is here: http://pel.hu/eoscard/
edit fixed link.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 15, 2013, 02:39:36 AM
Pelican has just updated EOScard.
his link is here: http://pel.hu/down
There is a dedicated page for it: http://pel.hu/eoscard
Also you can find all the original firmwares on it.
Edit: Thanks for the fix!
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 15, 2013, 02:32:13 AM
I hope help will come soon or else I too will practice my rain dance moves! I'll bring maracas!
lol marcas time ;D Indeed Ted
Im not complaining, quite the contrary, love the ML team and community. But we, 7D users, been suffering from the last ML, only now we have the autoboot (thank good for that=) Then the show up of the RAW... but what a beautiful day that was. And then... then our hoppes went down.
For you see how much i like ML, i have donate some money for the people from 50D threat having money to buy a 50D camera to 1% to continuous the work, and i don't have a 50D :)
We are now felling the beginning of raw in our beloved 7D, but this can never even happen.. maybe because of the dual processors or just because no developer want's to program. As always i have faith that one day our camera will have raw in good conditions... and maybe because of the dual processor we going have 100fps ;D
Big up for the ML team and comunity for the path they build.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 15, 2013, 02:49:30 AM
Im not complaining, quite the contrary, love the ML team and community. But we, 7D users, been suffering from the last ML, only now we have the autoboot (thank good for that=) Then the show up of the RAW... but what a beautiful day that was. And then... then our hoppes went down.
We are now felling the begging of raw in our beloved 7D, but this can never even happen.. maybe because of the dual processors or just because no developer want's to program.
Please, be more patient. The developers has life too, they don't work 7/24 for you. This is summertime and I guess everybody on a holiday. I'm also excited with all this new features but believe me, begging doesn't help at all...
Quote from: Pelican on August 15, 2013, 02:57:57 AM
Please, be more patient. The developers has life too, they don't work 7/24 for you. This is summertime and I guess everybody on a holiday. I'm also excited with all this new features but believe me, begging doesn't help at all...
lol ...not begging, quite the contrary. Sorry bad writing i meant to say "beginning" in the post and not beggin ;D Im already very happy with the new ML, the autoboot is just like being in heaven ;D
With no doubt that we are pass excited days, oiééé
Hollidays... how i wish :)
(sorry for the bad english)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 03:06:26 AM
Yes, is what happen. Didn't know above the 600 pixels switches to a different mode of operation. Now we just need some one with good will (and free time) that can adjust the code ::)
Hello all!
I've been reading the various threads off and on for a couple weeks now and have a few questions since we are at a break.
So is it the latest 7D raw code keeping the camera from writing above 600px in height for continuous raw video?
Maybe I can ask it another way...is the code just not efficient/fast enough for the camera hardware to use/compute to allow higher pixel heights?
Could the 7D hardware buffer support larger (>600px) frame size heights?
Quote from: Scott7D on August 15, 2013, 03:40:08 AM
Hello all!
I've been reading the various threads off and on for a couple weeks now and have a few questions since we are at a break.
So is it the latest 7D raw code keeping the camera from writing above 600px in height for continuous raw video?
Maybe I can ask it another way...is the code just not efficient/fast enough for the camera hardware to use/compute to allow higher pixel heights?
Could the 7D hardware buffer support larger (>600px) frame size heights?
The 7D can already shoot 2.5k in short bursts. It's just a matter of getting raw_rec module to run properly and hopefully we can get 1080p recording. The hardware is already fast enough, 1080p raw requires about 83MB/s write speed and the 7D is benchmarked at 91MB/s write speed.
Also, looks like g3gg0 is busy with the ML RAW video format thingy. It's going to take a while until one of the supreme masters take a look at raw_rec for the 7D.
Sorry have been away for the last couple ofg days.. Any new updates to the raw_rec files or anything else? :o
Quote from: jphansen on August 15, 2013, 11:45:14 PM
Sorry have been away for the last couple ofg days.. Any new updates to the raw_rec files or anything else? :o
alas the Gods are on vacation. But not to worry, they left us with arkanoid to keep us mere mortals occupied. :)
...seriously, nothing new yet.
I've looked everywhere, but no luck... Could somebody for the love of Magic Lantern tell me where to download new files for 7D raw video shooting and the workflow for FCPX?
Quote from: Ozgur on August 16, 2013, 03:51:32 AM
I've looked everywhere, but no luck... Could somebody for the love of Magic Lantern tell me where to download new files for 7D raw video shooting and the workflow for FCPX?
this was the latest raw_rec posted by Thomas worth; http://www.mediafire.com/download/17wrac41a1oi4bu/raw_rec.mo
Still needs a lot of work since live view freezes when recording starts.
The resolutions are still limited due to frame corruption in higher resolution.
It's nothing fantastic, but here's some footage I shot tonight. Note: this is my first attempt, so it's not amazing. LOL.
A few notes on what I did: A raw video test shot using the still "burst" mode and RAW video 960x386 modes. The raw burst mode dropped frames constantly also line skipping is apparent, but only on some frames. The RAW video performed much better frame rate wise, but the noise was much worse. Memory card used: Kingston 32GB 133X Compact Flash.
For some reason, in "burst" mode, every other line comes out white. It doesn't really show up on the YouTube video, yet it appears interlaced IRL. Not sure why.
Thoughts, comments? Please share.
I'm looking for some info on the cr2hdr app, && this seems like an ok pace to ask. I can't seem to find any info
For command line switches for this. I'm using this on win xp, my Linux box is down indefinitely and the windows console blows compared to zsh. Thanks for any info.
Cheers....
K.C.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 16, 2013, 04:04:12 AM
this was the latest raw_rec posted by Thomas worth; http://www.mediafire.com/download/17wrac41a1oi4bu/raw_rec.mo
Still needs a lot of work since live view freezes when recording starts.
The resolutions are still limited due to frame corruption in higher resolution.
Thank you Ted.
- So do you know what exactly is missing in 7D raw from the Raw shooting feature that is available for Mark III.
- I read someone saying it will never record continuous full HD in 7D because of the speed of its CF card reader or something?
- What exactly is this silent picture, and how is it different than RAW video capture?
Quote from: frogcement on August 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
I'm looking for some info on the cr2hdr app, && this seems like an ok pace to ask. I can't seem to find any info
For command line switches for this. I'm using this on win xp, my Linux box is down indefinitely and the windows console blows compared to zsh. Thanks for any info.
Cheers....
K.C.
They have upload a new version
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0
Test build (16/08/2013) :
- Same raw module errors
- Digic Peaking (Thanks Alex!)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :)
Thanks britom :D
If i am correct, some good info about Digic Peaking
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2403.msg9470#msg9470
@feureau
Thanks for the info, its good to know :D
Hi people,
* Does anybody know what exactly is missing in 7D raw from the Raw shooting feature that is available for Mark III?
* I read someone saying it will never record continuous full HD in 7D because of the speed of its CF card reader or something?
* What exactly is this silent picture, and how is it different than RAW video capture?
Thank you!!
@Ozgur
* continous raw recording is still missing, and higher resolutions are still missing (for now only 600px height works) - this will eventually be fixed
* CF speed on 7D is fast enough so , yes it will be able to shot continuous HD, if not 1980p then something really close to it (don't forget that 2.5K works in 7D)
* silent picture burst mode means that camera takes 24 pictures in one second (silent because mirror is locked) and keeps on taking this pictures until the buffer is full, then it stops. Difference between raw video is that you get number of picture files that you need to make as a video (like time lapse videos), and you can only record a certain numbers of pictures (until buffer gets overloaded), raw video on the other hand gives you one raw video file that you can process afterwards and can provide continuous shooting
Some benchmarks on the 7D show write speeds of about 88 MB/sec. Reliably though, 80 MB/sec is what others are getting. Now, despite this, the silent pic mode isn't able to write out files at this speed on a regular basis. I don't know why specifically, wish I didn't have my embedded project taking up my time so I could help, but the silent pics are writing out slower than 80 MB/sec in some cases.
According to this, (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=65856;topic=3974.1225;last_msg=66866") the data rates come out to (in MB/sec)
24 fps & 30 fps
1728 x 576 - 39.87, 49.83
1600 x 534 - 34.22, 42.78
1472 x 626 - 36.91, 46.14
1344 x 610 - 32.84, 41.05
1280 x 582 - 29.84, 37.30
1152 x 622 - 28.70, 35.88
60 fps
1728 x 308 - 53.29
1600 x 382 - 61.20
1472 x 420 - 61.91
1344 x 436 - 58.68
1280 x 486 - 62.29
1152 x 464 - 53.53
Though for higher resolutions (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=65831;topic=3974.1200;last_msg=66866"), assumed 24 fps, we have (in MB/sec):
1736x1156 - 80.38
2520x1200 - 121.12
Now, if we assume 80 MB/sec our top end speed, @ 14 bits, gives us:
~1.997 MP pixels a frame @ 24 fps
~1.6 MP pixels a frame @ 30 fps
~0.8 MP pixels a frame @ 60 fps
For the following aspect ratios, assuming that we can achieve a continuous ~80 MB/sec +/- 0.5 MB/sec, the maximum frame sizes are:
FR 3:2 16:9 2.35:1
23.976 1728 x 1152 1892 x 1056 2176 x 920
29.97 1550 x 1032 1696 x 944 1944 x 824
59.94 1088 x 736 1192 x 672 1368 x 584
Just demonstrating theoretical in case anyone has the time to test and push the boundaries of our hardware.
Thanks a lot Alex! It is excellent - Digic peaking - perfect for focusing, But how we are going to solve the Live View issue? Excitement increased manifold but waiting at the peak! few more moments .... to perfect the excitement.
Is that 'focusing distance' a new script or was existing there?
https://vimeo.com/72525066
Quick little test at 1600x600 continuous. I was using a sandisk 60mb/s however I have just received a 1000x card in preperation ;D
The full res render in after effects looks insanely sharp, I had to compress the size down for vimeo but it still looks so much better than anything we had before!
Lets try to continue working on this.
The current raw_rec module for the 7D freezes the liveview when recording is started. It happens in any preview mode. When taking silent pics in burst mode, we still have liveview while the images are being recorded to the buffer, but when recording video with the raw module, the buffer instantly saves the images to the card and the liveview freezes is causing this, might be because of the way the 7d is engineered.
Anybody has something to comment on this? Am i on drugs?
the great g3gg0 is busy with the mlv writing. his goal is probably writing 2.5k to cf only. when that is achieved. we might hope that the write module can be used to write lv to cf.
the most promising thing for me is to compress lv to 10bit..then all camera will have decent 2.5k raw output. but g3gg0 is too busy.
so we can only be patient
Quote from: britom on August 17, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Lets try to continue working on this.
The current raw_rec module for the 7D freezes the liveview when recording is started. It happens in any preview mode. When taking silent pics in burst mode, we still have liveview while the images are being recorded to the buffer, but when recording video with the raw module, the buffer instantly saves the images to the card and the liveview freezes is causing this, might be because of the way the 7d is engineered.
Anybody has something to comment on this? Am i on drugs?
hahah :D im on drugs and i can say it's true. Let's hope that some dev grab this and continuous the work. More a little bit and we got 1080 raw.
Quote from: mucher on August 17, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
the great g3gg0 is busy with the mlv writing. his goal is probably writing 2.5k to cf only. when that is achieved. we might hope that the write module can be used to write lv to cf.
the most promising thing for me is to compress lv to 10bit..then all camera will have decent 2.5k raw output. but g3gg0 is too busy.
so we can only be patient
2.5k in 10bit it will be wonderful ;D
Is it possible to run the dual iso, raw burst and raw modules on the 7D without the "risky" autoboot? Maybe I'm just plain stupid, but I've read these 7D threads up and down, followed various instructions and can't get the "Modules Tab" to appear.
And I can't seem to get (or find) that nice Benchmark Test that everyone posts their results with (mine only does two or three lines and that's it! FYI using a Komputerbay 1000x 64gb).
Am I missing something here...? Pathetic, I know, but if someone could help, I would be eternally grateful! Love ML and my 7D, just can't seem to get the latest and greatest up and running!
AFAIK you can't set the camera's bootflag using a card with 64 GByte capacity.
I had the same benchmark problem with the non-bootable alpha 2 version.
My advice: Buy a cheap slower card (up to 32 GByte) and use this one for initialization and first tests.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 17, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
AFAIK you can't set the camera's bootflag using a card with 64 GByte capacity.
I had the same benchmark problem with the non-bootable alpha 2 version.
Is this accurate? I thought the issue was only with 128gb cards. This is the first I've heard that 64gb cards can be a problem.
http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/install#step_1_preparing_your_camera
"For first install, use a simple SD/SDHC/CF card (32 GB or smaller). 64GB cards and larger will not work for first install (but you can use them with ML, see below)."
I read about compatibility hickups with some Komputerbay 128 GByte cards. Looks like some information mixup ...
Ciao, Walter
Quote from: stevelucky on August 17, 2013, 09:17:42 PM
Is this accurate? I thought the issue was only with 128gb cards. This is the first I've heard that 64gb cards can be a problem.
There is no problem with 64gig 1000x cards. You can use them run ML.
Does this mean you can use it without limitations? Including camera initialization (setting bootflag)?
If so: The installation docu needs an update.
Ciao
Walter
Thanks for the words of advice. Got it up and running with my 16gb 500x.
I think my Komputerbay 1000x 64gb may be one of the "duds." When I benchmarked it, the Write speeds were 45 to 61 MB/sec and the Read speeds were 41 to 67 MB/s. Seems to be WAY OFF what others here get with the same CF card!
Contact Komputerbay's support and ask for replacement. I read this procedure worked very well for other people with this problem.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 18, 2013, 01:44:15 AM
Does this mean you can use it without limitations? Including camera initialization (setting bootflag)?
If so: The installation docu needs an update.
Ciao
Walter
Had no problem setting bootflag with Transcend 400X 64 GB... Just remembered I used EOS Util... somebody else verify it.
New test in raw with 1728x576 px
Workflow: from raw i use batchelor (raw2dng) that give me the dng's. From dng's i open in after effects, adjust some setting in ACR and make proxy's and after i edit and color correction/grade. Then just export in h.264.
First time that i work with proxy's and i love it.
I got some flicker in the sky, any one knows why? (going investigate)
Card: Sandisk 8GB - 60MB/s
Recorded: ISO 100
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 18, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
New test in raw with 1728x576 px
Workflow: from raw i use batchelor (raw2dng) that give me the dng's. From dng's i open in after effects, adjust some setting in ACR and make proxy's and after i edit and color correction/grade. Then just export in h.264.
First time that i work with proxy's and i love it.
I got some flicker in the sky, any one knows why? (going investigate)
Card: Sandisk 8GB - 60MB/s
Recorded: ISO 100
U get flicker all around the picture, there is not a single line without flicker :S
@Ozgur
Flicker in exposure ? In the video just noted in one clip or two. I think is from ACR.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 18, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
@Ozgur
Flicker in exposure ? In the video just noted in one clip or two. I think is from ACR.
Aliasing on the lines of the court and the basketball pole and the frame... I don't know the workflow for RAW video but It looks like exporting error.
Quote from: dklamie on August 18, 2013, 04:45:27 AM
Had no problem setting bootflag with Transcend 400X 64 GB... Just remembered I used EOS Util... somebody else verify it.
just verified it. I have tested it. Using 64gig, 128gig 800x Komputerbay and 32gig, 64gig and just last night a 128gig 1000x Komputerbay CF.
We just verified that CAPACITY is not the limitation but cf card firmware.
On the 128gig Komputerbay, we were trying to find out which firmware on what chip controller works.
We just found that older firmware makes the camera "see" the bootflag enabe on the cf card compared to newer versions on the same card.
Until that's sorted out stick to 32 and 64 gig cards.
Quote from: Ozgur on August 18, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
Flicker on the lines of the court and the basketball pole and the frame... I don't know the workflow for RAW video but It looks like exporting error.
That is NOT called Flicker but its called Aliasing. Flicker is usually a temporal term.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 18, 2013, 09:03:04 PM
That is NOT called Flicker but its called Aliasing. Flicker is usually a temporal term.
Absolutely! My fault, I meant Aliasing...
Quote from: Ozgur on August 18, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
Aliasing on the lines of the court and the basketball pole and the frame... I don't know the workflow for RAW video but It looks like exporting error.
Indeed, aliasing is in the table, the lines of the court, etc.. thank god that i use tripod ::) 7D got moire and aliasing, that the VAF can fix that, at least most of.
http://www.mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/7d.html
Exporting error? i don't think is that, but the flicker in the exposure in some images yes, maybe from ACR. I use raw2dng im going to try different app to see if exist any differences.
Quote from: rodon on August 14, 2013, 08:04:22 PM
I know I'm late to the party, but I might as well put my video from last week up. I was still using RAW burst mode at the time:
Irrelevant but I was at the parl you shot your little video the other week. Cool place :)
Nice!! Was it shot at 2.5k?
I have a question.. WHY do we have a lot of alisasing and moire on 7D, same as 5D2 and others... I mean, the 7D when shooting H264 does NOT have that HUGE amount of moire.. it just has a tiny biy, which makes it completely usable!! But the raw.. it just makes the footage not usable at all if you do a wide-shot..
I'm thinking.. if it makes the same extact line-skipping to get to 1920x1080 as the H264 does... then, why?? And, it could be possible to fix it right??
Thanks!!
First tried the raw method with continuous shooting... still low resolution but it's a beginning of a great thing :) I can't wait for once the Live View frozen issue got fixed
Quote from: vnguyen972 on August 19, 2013, 06:57:24 AM
I can't wait for once the Live View frozen issue got fixed
I'm dying slowly too...
Test build (16/08/2013) :
- Added bolt_rec.mo, autoexpo.mo, ettr.mo
- Updated dual_iso.mo and pic_view.mo
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :)
--edit: question answered.
Thanks for the update Britom
Thank you again britom :D
I start to to panning with freeze Lv... i call it blind-pan ::)
Info:
Bolt Trigger
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6303.0
Auto Exposure
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0
Dual ISO
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0
ETTR
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.0
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 19, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
I start to to panning with freeze Lv... i call it blind-pan
Lol I do the exact same thing :D
Sorry, but cant find a guide how to shoot in RAW. Maybe add it in a first post?
Quote from: mityazabuben on August 19, 2013, 07:38:22 PM
Sorry, but cant find a guide how to shoot in RAW. Maybe add it in a first post?
If you already have the raw module install just go to M tab in ML menu and load raw module. Go to video tab in ML menu and activate the raw, choose your frame size and you are good to go.
Quote from: tonybeccar on August 19, 2013, 05:39:31 AM
Nice!! Was it shot at 2.5k?
I have a question.. WHY do we have a lot of alisasing and moire on 7D, same as 5D2 and others... I mean, the 7D when shooting H264 does NOT have that HUGE amount of moire.. it just has a tiny biy, which makes it completely usable!! But the raw.. it just makes the footage not usable at all if you do a wide-shot..
I'm thinking.. if it makes the same extact line-skipping to get to 1920x1080 as the H264 does... then, why?? And, it could be possible to fix it right??
Thanks!!
I did my first RAW tests with my 7D over the weekend and let me tell you as a Former Red One Owner, the 7D sensor is miles ahead of the original Red M Sensor. I shot using the 2.35:1 - 1472x626 (which is slightly more total pixels than traditional 720p). It blew my mind.
I rendered out these images from AE CS6 to CineForm 444 1080p24 avi's and compared to similarly transcoded Red files. Here's the Truth: The Canon 7D footage is deeper, richer and definitely more Film-like than the Red One (and I don't say this lightly: I'm one of those guys that shot in 65mm Super Panavision and did own the Red). In the end, the Red One is too bulky, gets WAY TOO HOT and the RAW images are just way too...RAW (takes too long to grade a Red Image). And with Magic Lantern RAW for the 7D, the Red is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. I can't believe how little tweaking the 7D RAW footage needed to look so....RICH!
Magic Lantern is really doing something truly special here. My hat's off to all involved. This really does change the game. These great software guru's have proved to me that at this level Bit depth becomes truly more relevant than pixels.
Man, I wish I could write code! I know the 7D is a struggle because of it's hardware architecture, but let's hope the ML folks stay at it! It's definitely worth it!
BTW, I use the VAF filter on my 7D and there's ZERO ALIASING. Get a VAF filter and forget about it. You won't regret it. It's a wondrous optical device.
Quote from: chroma on August 19, 2013, 09:40:38 PM
I did my first RAW tests with my 7D over the weekend and let me tell you as a Former Red One Owner, the 7D sensor is miles ahead of the original Red M Sensor. I shot using the 2.35:1 - 1472x626 (which is slightly more total pixels than traditional 720p). It blew my mind.
I rendered out these images from AE CS6 to CineForm 444 1080p24 avi's and compared to similarly transcoded Red files. Here's the Truth: The Canon 7D footage is deeper, richer and definitely more Film-like than the Red One (and I don't say this lightly: I'm one of those guys that shot in 65mm Super Panavision and did own the Red). In the end, the Red One is too bulky, gets WAY TOO HOT and the RAW images are just way too...RAW (takes too long to grade a Red Image). And with Magic Lantern RAW for the 7D, the Red is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. I can't believe how little tweaking the 7D RAW footage needed to look so....RICH!
Magic Lantern is really doing something truly special here. My hat's off to all involved. This really does change the game. These great software guru's have proved to me that at this level Bit depth becomes truly more relevant than pixels.
Man, I wish I could write code! I know the 7D is a struggle because of it's hardware architecture, but let's hope the ML folks stay at it! It's definitely worth it!
BTW, I use the VAF filter on my 7D and there's ZERO ALIASING. Get a VAF filter and forget about it. You won't regret it. It's a wondrous optical device.
I'd love to see some of your graded (and ungraded if you're interested) tests.
Quote from: chroma on August 19, 2013, 09:40:38 PM
I did my first RAW tests with my 7D over the weekend and let me tell you as a Former Red One Owner, the 7D sensor is miles ahead of the original Red M Sensor. I shot using the 2.35:1 - 1472x626 (which is slightly more total pixels than traditional 720p). It blew my mind.
I rendered out these images from AE CS6 to CineForm 444 1080p24 avi's and compared to similarly transcoded Red files. Here's the Truth: The Canon 7D footage is deeper, richer and definitely more Film-like than the Red One (and I don't say this lightly: I'm one of those guys that shot in 65mm Super Panavision and did own the Red). In the end, the Red One is too bulky, gets WAY TOO HOT and the RAW images are just way too...RAW (takes too long to grade a Red Image). And with Magic Lantern RAW for the 7D, the Red is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. I can't believe how little tweaking the 7D RAW footage needed to look so....RICH!
Magic Lantern is really doing something truly special here. My hat's off to all involved. This really does change the game. These great software guru's have proved to me that at this level Bit depth becomes truly more relevant than pixels.
Man, I wish I could write code! I know the 7D is a struggle because of it's hardware architecture, but let's hope the ML folks stay at it! It's definitely worth it!
BTW, I use the VAF filter on my 7D and there's ZERO ALIASING. Get a VAF filter and forget about it. You won't regret it. It's a wondrous optical device.
Wow, it's so great to read this from someone with your background!! Can't imagine what you'll think about the 5D3 then, hehe.
I'm interested in knowing about the Cineform 444.. it must be the equivalent to ProRes 444 right?? I'd like to know how much disk space have you saved with the convertion and how much quality did you loose (if any).. does it convert the 14bit to 10bit or something???
Regarding the VAF filter.. I'm impressed.. all the tests I've seen are like the original footage (withour vaf) but ALL blurred out, I mean, the lines the sensor skipped are still not there.. they just blur everything.. there are NO vibrations of course but the details are lost anyway...
Again, would love to see some test footage of yours :)
Thank you very much! Have a good day!!!
Man, I'd love to have a 5D3, but then my Tokina 11-16 2.8 would be useless...
I've been with CineForm from nearly the beginning (I had a JVC GYHD100 and the only way you could transcode the files to PC was with CineForm). It's a great codec and a great product with patient, competent support folks. The 444 CineForm avi is 12-bit, so there's only a little loss in going from a 14-bit original (a huge PLUS). The 422 CineForm avi is 10-bit and in most instances it's indistinguishable from the original. File sizes are very good and you can choose from 5 quality settings (Low, Medium, High, FilmScan 1 and FilmScan 2) I tend to use FilmScan 1, the perfect balance of pristine quality and manageable file size. (sorry, sounds like a sales pitch, trust me, I'm not on their payroll, just a very pleased customer!)
With the VAF, yes it's true you can't get something for nothing, if the lines are skipped, they're skipped, but it really doesn't appear to have a "blurred" quality to me. Overall, very little trade-off, way more up-side. BTW, In Canon's native 1080p24 H.264 format, you can resolve about 760-800 lines of resolution. In ML RAW with a smaller frame 1472x626 I'm getting at least that performance already....Interesting.
Shot some more today. I just wish the Live View wouldn't freeze when you start recording, probably an easy bug to work out. The image is just plain VIVID compared to the Red. Red One images were very dull and lifeless out of the camera. You really had to finesse the life back into a Red shot. And let's be honest here, the Red has some serious aliasing issues of it's own. A moving/panning chain-link fence shot in 4K, downsampled to 1080p with Redcine-X was NASTY looking, distracting and unnatural.
I'm not positive about this yet, but everything I've shot and seen in the 7D ML RAW format seems to have less rolling-shutter "tearing" than the H.264 7D footage. More testing by myself and others needed though! It could be that it's exactly the same, but the H.264 compression makes those rolling-shutter artifacts more pronounced. Either way it's a potential plus. Anyone noticed this on the 5D3 or other cameras using ML RAW?
Working on getting some of these tests up. I just hate truncating them to H.264 for Vimeo or YouTube, doesn't really do a ML RAW shot justice. I'd be happy to send interested ML'ers the CineForm files, but they're 1GB+ so that's not realistic.
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...
If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this
For those interested here are some comparison between h264 , 1728 x 576 , 2.5k and 2.5k graded
Right click and choose to view the images for full size
1080p H264
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2868/9510110480_73483ac162_o.jpg)
1728 x 576 RAW
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/9510109570_c8f3c7b319_o.jpg)
2.5k RAW
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2864/9507317099_e2193e8bd6_o.jpg)
2.5k RAW Graded
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/9510108772_2fd09383e5_o.jpg)
@chroma
Its nice to ear about that. Maybe you can put some pic's for comparison. Red raw Vs 7D raw :D
@Hitchck
What you trying to say is you can record raw in the 7D with your Small HD LCD and not have the freeze bug?
@kh3naz
Raw is just wonderful ;D
@ML Team
Nice upgrade on the web site ::)
Quote from: Hitchck on August 20, 2013, 01:29:14 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...
If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this
That's actually a really great catch. I've never seen that before. It's a bummer to lose focus peaking, but at least I can see what I'm shooting. Thanks!
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 20, 2013, 01:57:09 AM
@Hitchck
What you trying to say is you can record raw in the 7D with your Small HD LCD and not have the freeze bug?
No, he's saying that you can turn on the false color overlays and still see what you're shooting while shooting raw. It definitely works, though the false color overlays aren't quite real-time.
(http://f.cl.ly/items/283Q3s1f393f0S0b2n3L/VRAM0.BMP)
-Maybe im doing something wrong or understand wrong. I turn on the false color overlay and change to Samll HD but my Lv stay freeze wend i record raw video.
-It work now! I turn off and on the camera and worked.
Thank you :D
we can turn off the zoom x10 funtion to avoid some freeze bug . The False color funtion still has some freeze bug ( we change setting number but nothing happen ) just press preview again. I think this is great idea for using LV on 7d in this time. Thanks you again for your discover.!
Sorry for my bad english.!
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 17, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
AFAIK you can't set the camera's bootflag using a card with 64 GByte capacity.
I had the same benchmark problem with the non-bootable alpha 2 version.
My advice: Buy a cheap slower card (up to 32 GByte) and use this one for initialization and first tests.
Ciao
Walter
Yes you can. It works on my 64GB card.
Quote from: Hitchck on August 20, 2013, 01:29:14 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...
If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this
Wow... nice find! I can see now!! lol
Thank you!
Quote from: stevelucky on August 08, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
Just hit the zoom button that you would normally use for focusing. It'll bring you to a X5 zoom. It will then capture 2.5k raw images.
I have a 5d3 so I could be wrong. hitting the zoom button on my camera may SAY 5x, but in actuality is only recording a 3x crop. ALSO, when you do hit the zoom button, it will NOT record 2.5k. You actually have to go back into the raw recording menu and change the recording size from whatever resolution you have it set to to 2.5k. Hitting the zoom button, simply gives you the option to do it. It doesn't do it for you.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 19, 2013, 09:31:25 PM
If you already have the raw module install just go to M tab in ML menu and load raw module. Go to video tab in ML menu and activate the raw, choose your frame size and you are good to go.
Thanks. But is there any info about max resolution and CF cards from different manufactures that works fine?
And what program do I need to use to open raw video files?
Quote from: Hitchck on August 20, 2013, 01:29:14 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...
If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this
Thank you for sharing. Just went from having a frozen liveview to grayscale liveview...awesome!
Quote from: Hitchck on August 20, 2013, 01:29:14 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...
If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this
This is seriously amazing. I had never tried the small hd setting in false colour and it works very very well! 1000x better than having to guess with a frozen live-view, thank you! ;D
Quote from: lol_lol_2512 on August 20, 2013, 12:06:42 PM
Thank you for sharing. Just went from having a frozen liveview to grayscale liveview...awesome!
Progress in small steps ;)
Quote from: stevelucky on August 20, 2013, 02:04:23 AM
No, he's saying that you can turn on the false color overlays and still see what you're shooting while shooting raw. It definitely works, though the false color overlays aren't quite real-time.
(http://f.cl.ly/items/283Q3s1f393f0S0b2n3L/VRAM0.BMP)
Hi!
Is solved frozen image while recording raw video? ???
With this trick yes. It have the downside of it but is better then have the screen freeze. You try it :D
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 20, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
With this trick yes. It have the downside of it but is better then have the screen freeze. You try it :D
Hi! I tried to put the false color option: Small HD... but the image continue freeze while I am recording raw video. Can you explain me another time? I don't now what I'm doing wrong :-(
Thanks!
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 20, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
Hi! I tried to put the false color option: Small HD... but the image continue freeze while I am recording raw video. Can you explain me another time? I don't now what I'm doing wrong :-(
Thanks!
Turn off the camera and turn it back on... and try again... it should work
Question:
I tried but I couldn't find "Override FPS" from within Magic Lantern for 7D Alpha... I see it says 23.976 on the overlay but how do I change that.. idk, maybe to 60 or 30 fps? I tried to use Canon menu to change it but it doesn't change what magic lantern shows on the over lay... it only changes the resolution in the raw video menu... anyone could help me?
It's not working in ML menu. But i think you can change to 60fps in canon menu.
A quick test video using the raw_rec.mo
shot at 1600x534
Quote from: zero on August 21, 2013, 11:55:59 AM
A quick test video using the raw_rec.mo
shot at 1600x534
The video is set to private.... :D
When trying RAW 1720, I only get 100~ frames. Is this correct?
Also, yesterday I was getting an error message about corrupt data when the camera was trying to save the footage after recording. How do I fix this?
Quote from: mr_pablo on August 21, 2013, 03:12:14 PM
When trying RAW 1720, I only get 100~ frames. Is this correct?
Also, yesterday I was getting an error message about corrupt data when the camera was trying to save the footage after recording. How do I fix this?
You need to lower your resolution for you card be able to record continuous. Or buy a better/fast fc card ::)
What card do you have?
Hmm, first time I tried it, it was fine. Only started happening the times after.
Its a crappy 133x 8gb card. Really need to buy some new cards...
Quote from: mr_pablo on August 21, 2013, 03:25:34 PM
Hmm, first time I tried it, it was fine. Only started happening the times after.
Its a crappy 133x 8gb card. Really need to buy some new cards...
Strange... but definitely you need a faster card for getting continuous recording at 1720p :)
Had a little time off, and tried out silent picture burst mode and RAW video on my 7D. . . I am impressed. There are still quite a few issues but now I am sure that they will be solved in near future.
I was able to get up to 35 frames in 2.5K mode, up to 45 standard mode with silent picture burst. (I'm loving the 2.5K)
Also I am able to get around 10 seconds of raw video in 1600x600.
CF card used is Kingston Ultimate 600X 16GB. (Which is writing 20 Mb/s, but Kingston claims read/write speed of 90 Mb/s )
I need to spend some money for 1000x 32 or 64GB I guess...this won't do it...
Great work guys!
And thanks everybody on the forum, I've been reading closely past month or so... ;-)
Hi,
I have been following the discussion for some time but I use only the alpha2 official releases version on my 7D.
Is the build you tried a "bootflag disabled" or necessarily enabled version? Does the live view freeze?
I would like to try it on my 7D, but I do not know where to get a version to use on a mac and which does not have these two issues. Thanks
@ hbr
Welcome to the club :D
I think that you can get more frames in silent picture and continuous video with your card. In canon menu disable raw and put only the last jpeg option. With this a think you will get more frames. In raw video if this does't work lower the resolution in the raw menu.
@kim
For use the news functions in your 7D you need to bootflag your camera. Yes, with this version of raw video for the 7D the Lv freeze. But you got a solution for that, is in the ML menu put false color option: Small HD. Is not the best solution but it works.
For mac http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.msg67944#msg67944
For win http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
@arrinkiiii thanks for the heads up.
with picture quality set to S in Canon Menu I can get up to 60 2.5K in burst mode and up to 70 the normal size ones ;-)
write speed in raw video still 20 mb/s
Quote from: hbr on August 21, 2013, 11:04:34 PM
@arrinkiiii thanks for the heads up.
with picture quality set to S in Canon Menu I can get up to 60 2.5K in burst mode and up to 70 the normal size ones ;-)
write speed in raw video still 20 mb/s
u welcome :)
Uhmmm... with this build/version never go above 600. In this moment im able to record continuous 1728x 576 by 3:1 My card is also slow for raw, it's a sandisk 8Gb 60mb/s ...but even with a 1000x the record speed/frame rate is almost the same because of this build/version for the 7D. Hope this limitations and the Lv freeze will be fix soon.
Quote from: chroma on August 17, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
Is it possible to run the dual iso, raw burst and raw modules on the 7D without the "risky" autoboot? Maybe I'm just plain stupid, but I've read these 7D threads up and down, followed various instructions and can't get the "Modules Tab" to appear.
Idk whats so risky about setting the boot flag on the camera to auto boot.... Worked like a charm && zero problems for me, I'd say go for it..... FWIW, I've boot flagged 3 400d's (for the 400plus hack) and 2 7d's and 1 50d and 1 5d mkIII, all without incident.... Can someone fill me in on what could go wrong when bootflagging a body?
--
K.C.
I suppose that two serious issues with bootflag are:
1- "bootflag on" makes the camera much slower to start which is problematic when you want the camera to be quickly available for shooting.
2- Also, you can not easily get back your camera to the initial condition.
Am I right?
I was wondering, if it can be possible to write 10bit or 12bit RAW instead of 14bit RAW. That would be nice. File size will be much smaller, and the quality will be still pretty high. So maybe higher resolutions and frame rates would be possible.
Quote from: hbr on August 22, 2013, 07:38:11 AM
I was wondering, if it can be possible to write 10bit or 12bit RAW instead of 14bit RAW. That would be nice. File size will be much smaller, and the quality will be still pretty high. So maybe higher resolutions and frame rates would be possible.
:o
Quote from: hbr on August 22, 2013, 07:38:11 AM
I was wondering, if it can be possible to write 10bit or 12bit RAW instead of 14bit RAW. That would be nice. File size will be much smaller, and the quality will be still pretty high. So maybe higher resolutions and frame rates would be possible.
Indeed wood be nice ;D ...but this has already been discussed in this forum, use the search for read about that.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 21, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
u welcome :)
Uhmmm... with this build/version never go above 600. In this moment im able to record continuous 1728x 576 by 3:1 My card is also slow for raw, it's a sandisk 8Gb 60mb/s ...but even with a 1000x the record speed/frame rate is almost the same because of this build/version for the 7D. Hope this limitations and the Lv freeze will be fix soon.
Actually I get 1472x626 on my Sandisk 16GB 60mb/s I haven't managed any higher than 626 though.
Hello there, long time lurker, been shooting with the Raw_rec.mo for this last week and yeasterday this idea hit me, sadly I'm no programmer and people smarter than me probably already have tried this, but I still want to give you guys my five cents, LIVEVIEW problem: can it be that one (Slave) processor does the Liveview whilst the other the recording (Master) in the 7D's original settings? And that these collide and take resources from each other, with the magic lantern code? And that this is why the Live view don't work and the Raw cannot go to full 1080p? Some programmer who have any thoughts about this? I am as I said not familiar with the ins and outs of these things, just a thought.
Quote from: Kim on August 22, 2013, 07:11:45 AM
I suppose that two serious issues with bootflag are:
1- "bootflag on" makes the camera much slower to start which is problematic when you want the camera to be quickly available for shooting.
2- Also, you can not easily get back your camera to the initial condition.
Am I right?
1. you can disable auto power off and then no annoying delay but you need more battery
2. you can easily disable bootdisk flag (I provided a diff file in the 7d thread which can make the bootoff.fir from the original Canon fw)
I am no coder. Looking through the raw_rec.c, I have got a feeling that 7D freezes while pressing that + key might have something to do with the fact that some EOS models uses the + key to start recording RAW, so there might be a possibility of conflict. Just my wild guess.
I am wondering whether there is a way to change these two lines in the RAW_REC.C. It is worth a try I guess:
line 2025-2029:
/* start/stop recording with the LiveView key */
int rec_key_pressed = (key == MODULE_KEY_LV || key == MODULE_KEY_REC);
/* ... or SET on 5D2/50D */
if (cam_50d || cam_5d2) rec_key_pressed = (key == MODULE_KEY_PRESS_SET);
PS:
Can we change line 2025 to this?
/* start/stop recording with the LiveView key */
int rec_key_pressed = (key == MODULE_KEY_REC);
I don't know, it might work, say worth a try
BTW, I use the AF-ON to focus, when I press that key, 7D freezes too.
@arrinkiiii haha, of course somebody already thought of that ;-) I just read through everything, interesting indeed....
I will try to contribute to that as soon as I finish my fucking dissertation....
I also read that MLV is under development, so I am guessing it will help a lot as well...
I'll compile with that code, just hang on, but i think it wont work because it hangs a second or two after the key has been pressed :/
Maybe we can completely disable that "key press" block( a little bit violet though) :P
i assigned rec key to the set button, didn't work :/ Raw zebras still work while recording, is just the 422 liveview that crashes
TKS, Britom. Maybe I should zip my mouth.
LOL no man, contributions like you just did are necesary for this think to move on, so thanks for helping :)
@hbr
Yes, i also think that the MLV file will bring good things.
@mucher, britom and all 7D users
At least we try and i think is a good thing :)
indeed britom. Let's go :D
Quote from: Kim on August 22, 2013, 07:11:45 AM
I suppose that two serious issues with bootflag are:
1- "bootflag on" makes the camera much slower to start which is problematic when you want the camera to be quickly available for shooting.
2- Also, you can not easily get back your camera to the initial condition.
Am I right?
Put a non-ML card in and its 100% back to normal, or just remove the autoexec file and the ML file on your card, and reformat.
SUPPOSEDLY there's a small chance it can permanently brick your camera (either through overheating of the sensor, or a firmware lock up, or something else I don't fully comprehend,) but I know of no cases where this has happened.
You are correct about the start times though, it's probably only slower by a couple seconds though (which can be all the difference).
As far as I'm concerned the pros far outweigh the cons.
Hi Everyone,
Been reading through these forums for a few days now and I've successfully gotten ML installed and the raw_rec module up and running at 1600x600. I've been pixel peeping the footage a bit and while it's really impressive I have noticed a few things.
All footage suffers from a particular noise in the shadows that shows some vertical banding - not that attractive. As far as I can tell this is down to the Canon sensors and is present in all ML raw footage I've seen - including well-shot 5D mark iii footage. Is there any improving this or are we down to the capabilities and/or limits of the sensors? I might start exposing to the right a stop to combat this (is that why there's an ETTR feature in ML?)
More importantly I've noticed what i can only describe as a parquet-floor pattern in some of my shots - almost like jpeg-style compression. Is this a result of some ML setting or is it due to something with the 7D? Should I be modifying the bit rate or something when I shoot? I also saw that people were changing their photo quality to S2( small - not fine jpeg) in order to get more frames fro silent picture burst. Is this affecting the raw quality at all?
FYI i'm using a sandisk extreme 16gb 400x, the thomas worth build of raw_rec.mo, and problems are present in both silent picture and .RAW files....
Thanks
Hi guys!,
Thanks for all the work done, i've ready many posts on many pages and now im just confused out of my mind. i finally decided to join the forum for a remote case i might be able to help
fellow 7D owners :)
ive installed the latest magic lantern firmware and all the extras with the nightly builds etc. but i keep getting errors with the modules, am i doing something wrong ??
(http://www.magiclantern.fm/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/VRAM1.BMP)
Here , if you follow the steps in this thread you should get it running properly
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
has anyone successfully shot 60p at any resolution on the 7d yet?
Hi everyone!
i have a problem with my 7D, the camera do not recognice the battery (also original ones)
do you think i will have problems installing magic latern?
hugs!!
HOLY FUCK!
So after my brain almost exploded, i managed to make liveview work while recording. I guess the problem was that we were not using a free edmac channel.
Original edmac-memcpy.c was using channel 0x11, that was busy in the debug menu.
#else
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;
So i added this line so it uses channel 0x04 instead
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;
Liveview now works while recording but the recording rectangle disapeared. Lets continue working :)
Here's the new autoexec.bin:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
Don't forget to copy the modules too. Im not a programmer by the way, so im probably misunderstanding some things.
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Edit: I just reviewed the files that i recorded and they're empty, so i'm probably an idiot :P. Anyone can confirm?
Edit 2: Changed to 0x05 to 0x04. Updated autoexec.bin. Some pink and skipped frames on my slow card, but liveview works! I will continue to try new values.
NO WAY :o
AHUUUUUUU =DD What i can say!?!? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( of happiness ;D ;D
Edit: Damn man, you killing my hart ;D Im going try for see if the files are empty 8)
hi.i tried the new autoexec.bin end no option of raw rec in magic lantern menu,live view dosent start,modules dosent load
i notice your new autoexec.bin it's smoller than previous 406kb compared to 466kb
keep calm and keep trying
can't load modules, camera froze.
Hi there! You all are doing awesome job, but this time situation is the same - new module freezes my camera with gop_set: err 1 0 0. I thought this could be because of other modules, I deleted them but still the same. But thank you britom for trying, I am sure that success is close!
Try coping all the modules from the link, and if it still dont work, delete your preferences.
Wow, it's working now but very choppy and on my 400x card stops after few frames. Without live view I was able to record continously at 1728x576... But it's still awesome:D
Great not tried it yet - but Britom You rock!
Just ran Britom's new modules. Live View is choppy, doesn't freeze, but my buffers immediately fill and after about 100 frames (at 1472x626) it stops and alerts me to "corruption in frames" So I went back to the previous version and everything is as was before (I use the "greenscreen" checker for monitoring--great when shooting in low light).
Too bad it didn't work, but I definitely think you're on the right track! Keep at that code...it's in there somewhere!
The same from here.
Big up for you britom !!! ...I can already hear the sound of the cork bursting of the bottle of champagne :D
Britom,
got 10 and 20 frames only. with corrupted frames. Keep at it man! I don't think you are far from cracking it.
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;
#else
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;
#endif
This looks a little bit better to me.
@britom
Did you try this from mucher?
I am going to spend again money on new CF card.... Anybody knows which CF card is working best with 7D?
The Kingston Ultimate 600X I have, shows 40 MB/s in benchmark software, but in camera with ML shows only 20 MB/s.
I want to be sure that this new one will handle raw shooting continuously....
Thanks.
p.s. @Britom and @Mucher why do you use channel 4? I mean why specifically channel 4?
Here , this will make you cry and never want to shoot with H264 again
RAW 2.5K 100% crop
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/9579347038_937e5909ed_o.jpg)
H264 100% crop
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2816/9579347728_5cd81c0011_o.jpg)
@kh3naz Amazing!
Just noticed slight flickering in middle/dark grays while shooting raw video. Anyone have this issue?
Quote from: hbr on August 23, 2013, 10:25:45 PM
Just noticed slight flickering in middle/dark grays while shooting raw video. Anyone have this issue?
I had that issue and have seen it in other people's videos , i double checked the settings and i never figured out what is causing it
Quote from: hbr on August 23, 2013, 09:27:57 PM
I am going to spend again money on new CF card.... Anybody knows which CF card is working best with 7D?
The Kingston Ultimate 600X I have, shows 40 MB/s in benchmark software, but in camera with ML shows only 20 MB/s.
I think is the same for other CF cameras. The KomputerBay 64Gb or 32Gb are the most fast... and cheap. But think that Ted Ramasola quem tell you better.
Quote from: hbr on August 23, 2013, 10:25:45 PM
Just noticed slight flickering in middle/dark grays while shooting raw video. Anyone have this issue?
I also got this but mainly in the highlights (skys) i think this is from ACR :-\
Quote from: kh3naz on August 23, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
Here , this will make you cry and never want to shoot with H264 again
Are these images form the same camera, same lens, same angle and same Focal length? Because hard to believe!!
Quote from: Ozgur on August 23, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Are these images form the same camera, same lens, same angle and same Focal length? Because hard to believe!!
lol , yes this is the 7D's H264 with cinestyle vs ML 2.5k RAW
same lens , same aperture and iso etc , different focal length since i tried to match the 2.5k 5x crop , but you get the idea ;D
Quote from: kh3naz on August 23, 2013, 11:01:20 PM
lol , yes this is the 7D's H264 with cinestyle vs ML 2.5k RAW
same lens , same aperture and iso etc , different focal length since i tried to match the 2.5k 5x crop , but you get the idea ;D
I want to curse at Canon!! For the sake of money they are screwing people, just like any capitalised industry i guess... The hell with H 264, long live Magic Lantern!
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 23, 2013, 10:45:36 PM
I think is the same for other CF cameras. The KomputerBay 64Gb or 32Gb are the most fast... and cheap. But think that Ted Ramasola quem tell you better.
I concur. Get a KomputerBay 32 or 64gig 1000x.
Thank you @ted ramasola and @arrinkiiii ... will go with that then....
Here is some quick test footage, comparing h264 and raw in sharpness and terms of post processing capabilities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM-SIQp5-_c&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM-SIQp5-_c&feature=youtu.be)
Hi everybody ! I'm back with my 7D. Just made another one (2.5K, crop mode, with a limit of 59 frames) :
anyone using this card http://wellcorping.en.alibaba.com/product/1052403491-218766918/Wellcore_CF_Card6_0_with_1100X_are_provided_now_.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
?
Quote from: flofifull on August 23, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
Hi everybody ! I'm back with my 7D. Just made another one (2.5K, crop mode, with a limit of 59 frames) :
Really beautiful. :'(
Guys quick question; Just recently purchased Lee kit and graduated ND glass. Since RAW video shooting hopefully(!) will be stable on 7D as well, do I still need the Graduated ND glasses or could I recover every contrast details in the post (if I set the exposure for the whole frame) without being in need for a filter glass?
Quote from: mityazabuben on August 23, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
anyone using this card http://wellcorping.en.alibaba.com/product/1052403491-218766918/Wellcore_CF_Card6_0_with_1100X_are_provided_now_.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
?
I just contacted them about getting one. I get a lot of stuff from Alibaba for work and it's always hit or miss. Hopefully it's not too expensive and I can afford to pick one up.
Quote from: Ozgur on August 24, 2013, 12:33:57 AM
Guys quick question; Just recently purchased Lee kit and graduated ND glass. Since RAW video shooting hopefully(!) will be stable on 7D as well, do I still need the Graduated ND glasses or could I recover every contrast details in the post (if I set the exposure for the whole frame) without being in need for a filter glass?
considering that ND glass is often used on high end digital cinema cameras that shoot raw, I would definitely still recommend using it.
I've shot in direct sunlight using raw, with out an nd filter and while the increased Dynamic range makes it more manageable than h264 it's still ideal to be able to completely control exposure. I shot a lot of F32 stuff and the lenses just aren't really designed to hold up in sharpness at that aperture at length.
I'm still experimenting with exposure, and achieving the best results through my workflow. I think ettr is a good method to follow. Though I've exposed to the shadows a couple times and gotten good results. It's really case by case basis.
Quote from: Ozgur on August 24, 2013, 12:33:57 AM
Guys quick question; Just recently purchased Lee kit and graduated ND glass. Since RAW video shooting hopefully(!) will be stable on 7D as well, do I still need the Graduated ND glasses or could I recover every contrast details in the post (if I set the exposure for the whole frame) without being in need for a filter glass?
The highlight recovery is amazing, but you will definitely need a ND filter to shoot with a slow shutter speed in daylight , especially wide open
@fotiful That was a beautiful video, the color so rich and looks so sharp... love it!!! so inspiring!!! awesome stuff!
Quote from: kh3naz on August 24, 2013, 04:05:20 AM
The highlight recovery is amazing, but you will definitely need a ND filter to shoot with a slow shutter speed in daylight , especially wide open
I have ND filter but I was asking for "Graduated ND glass". Wouldn't help to recover the highlights and balance the areas where it has high contrast better with the graduated ND glass even you shoot RAW as crwn_schlr mentioned?
Quote from: mityazabuben on August 23, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
anyone using this card http://wellcorping.en.alibaba.com/product/1052403491-218766918/Wellcore_CF_Card6_0_with_1100X_are_provided_now_.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
?
I heard back from the company and they said they would sell me a 64gb card for $90. They claim 160 MB/s read and 130 MB/s write. I'll let you know when I find out more.
Quote from: Ozgur on August 24, 2013, 04:40:49 AM
I have ND filter but I was asking for "Graduated ND glass". Wouldn't help to recover the highlights and balance the areas where it has high contrast better with the graduated ND glass even you shoot RAW as crwn_schlr mentioned?
A Grad will definitely give you more control in some high contrast situations even with RAW , not that it's always necessary but it can always come in handy , the highlight recovery is truly amazing but controlling your exposure while shooting is always better , i hope that answers your question
Quote from: stevelucky on August 24, 2013, 07:04:20 AM
I heard back from the company and they said they would sell me a 64gb card for $90. They claim 160 MB/s read and 130 MB/s write. I'll let you know when I find out more.
Ill hope you will be lucky)
A couple of thoughts.
-I understand the reasoning behind going module-based... but I ger the feeling that we could cut down on a lot of redgundant posts in this thread if someone kept an up to date patched firmware package easily available for thosr that just want to fudge around a bit with RAW recording... and...
- Also in an effort to keep the redundancy down... why not make a real and updated FAQ in the first post. And there we could have the ready-to use firmware package at the top. And also keep it updated with known resolution-, framerate-, crop-mode- combos that does and doesn't work at the moment.
- And a final thought. At least I would appreciate if statements of resolution would be accompanied with their aspect ratio. :)
Oh. Has there been any work on trying non-square pixel recording? I mean. If it turns out that the highest resolution possible for continuous raw is in 1.5:1 or something like that. We could maybe sample from a 2.4:1 surface area and squeeze the image into the 1.5:1 recorded image using some funky Custom photosite-sampling setting. This would ensure maximum image detail even when not going for 1.5:1 aspect ratio images since we would not be cropping out any pixels. Just unsqueeze them in post. And if we get full 1080p recording we could use the same methodology to record 2.4:1 sensor area on 1.78:1 image area and end up with 33 % oversampling when doing renders into a 1920x800 sequence in post...
EDIT: All sorted! Took both batteries out and reset the camera.
Take your battery and put again for see if your camera turn on
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 24, 2013, 08:41:49 PM
Take your battery and put again for see if your camera turn on
That was a scary 10 minutes!!
All sorted
Quote from: davejay on August 24, 2013, 08:46:46 PM
That was a scary 10 minutes!!
All sorted
haha , yes it scared me the first time as well
Fantastic news!
i've 7D and C100 :)
i know that the ML with 7D can't outdo C100 for definition, affidability etc...
I'm waiting for continuos RAW and, with hopeless, ML for C100 :S..
Thank you Pelican (ps: i've posted a post for you in http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7873.0)
F
I have good news for all addicted 7D Magic Lantern users We all know that there is some time now we have no master dev to write code for our beloved 7D. A1ex discovered the buffers that were possible to start the beginning of raw in our cameras. So, our dear friend Pelican could get to work on the silent picture and continuous raw. Now that he left to Brazil we continue with the same problem, we need a master dev.
I spoke with 1% and he said we would help with the 7D and get the 7D at the same level than the other cameras. But for this to happen 1% need a camera, in this case a 7D.
This is what 1% wrote
Quote from: 1% on August 25, 2013, 07:28:23 PM
Get me a 7D and I'll do 7D. Its a TON harder as its dual proc so results not super quick like 50D/6D/etc.
I'm up for the challenge...
My question is, who's willing to help/contribute so we can buy a second hand 7D to 1% ?
I AM FOR SURE!!!
What are the options?
Does he need a 7D for some time or permanently?
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 25, 2013, 08:31:35 PM
What are the options?
Does he need a 7D for some time or permanently?
Ciao
Walter
I don't know. But im super mega glad to offer him one 7D. If we get all together i think we can get the money easily to buy one in second hand. Like we did with the 50D.
In Portugal one 7D in second hand cost 700€ + shipment + customs it's more money like this but i think that 1% is from USA. If some one can find one good and cheap 7D in USA we don't have to pay large money in shipment and in customs... and i think in USA the cameras are more affordable. Also he already have good cf cards from the 50D.
-we have a monster that wants to wake up-
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
I don't know. But im super mega glad to offer him one 7D. If we get all together i think we can get the money easily to buy one in second hand. Like we did with the 50D.
In Portugal one 7D in second hand cost 700€ + shipment + customs it's more money like this but i think that 1% is from USA. If some one can find one good and cheap 7D in USA we don't have to pay large money in shipment and in customs... and i think in USA the cameras are more affordable. Also he already have good cf cards from the 50D.
-we have a monster that wants to wake up-
I'm in, whataya need? money? tell me where to send it.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 08:44:09 PM-we have a monster that wants to wake up-
<grin> Yes, it's about time to speed things up, Igor!
Of course I'm in!
Terms of money transaction?
Ciao
Walter
I'm in!
I've actually got one that is working but is broken....
the screen is working fine and it's fine takin pictures, but the top screen is not working as should (it fell off the roof of a car while lending it to a friend and I got a new one on the insurance) I'd be real happy to send it if it's good enough and then we only need to pay for shipping..
Let me know what you think friends. I could post some pics of it, maybe worth askin 1% what he would think about it.
Otherwise I'm in for contributin with some cash. :)
By the way I'm in Sweden, so just say if it's not worth shippin. Maybe it's better to get a 2nd hand one that's fully functional from US?
I'm definitely in , i would love to lend him my own 7D but i admit the thought of being separated from my 7D scares me a little as it is my only tool right now
Quote from: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 09:56:14 PM
I'm in!
I've actually got one that is working but is broken....
the screen is working fine and it's fine takin pictures, but the top screen is not working as should (it fell off the roof of a car while lending it to a friend and I got a new one on the insurance) I'd be real happy to send it if it's good enough and then we only need to pay for shipping..
Let me know what you think friends. I could post some pics of it, maybe worth askin 1% what he would think about it.
Otherwise I'm in for contributin with some cash. :)
I don't think he needs the top screen , this would be a really good idea , i'm sure we can all contribute for the shipping and return costs
Thank you to all :D
We still need more people for this work good.
Meanwhile Magic 7D offer is slight broken camera with only the top screen broken... if it's good to 1% we just need to collect some money for the shipment and customs. I think with 75€ we make the "party"... if not we need to collect more money, like 700€ to buy one.
And we need some one from USA, maybe John Kesl from New York with paypal account?
Edit:Quote from: kh3naz on August 25, 2013, 10:18:57 PM
I don't think he needs the top screen , this would be a really good idea , i'm sure we can all contribute for the shipping and return costs
Let see what 1% have to say.
What about import taxes? Here in Germany you will have a hard time with customs if the packet is screened ...
Ciao, Walter
i'm in to.
if registered as a gift should not pay any fees at customs
I think it's different if it's 2nd hand and used (specially if it's slightly broken... ;) ) and if it's sent as a gift, I don't need it back I'd be happy to let 1% keep it (if he think it's worth keepin that is :) )
Gift part already mentioned ...
I don't know what to say im just :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( of hapiness
I ask to 1% wend he receive the 50D from Holland/Nederlands if he paid taxes/costumes... and also about the broken screen
Quote from: 1% on August 25, 2013, 10:39:43 PM
Nope, there were no taxes. Broken top screen is perfect. I don't need the top screen for anything.
What we can say? I think we deserve it ::)
So... are you, Magic 7D, ready to send the camera to 1% ? Tell us what is the price ( i think is 35€) for send it and make also a insurance/register package and we will give you the money.
Big UP to all fans of
MAGIC LANTERN !!!
... monster ... top is damaged ... This is just PERFECT!
Thank you very much in advance, Magic 7D!
And of course best wishes to 1% for standing up to the challenge!
Ciao, Walter
I'm ready to send! :) :) :) :) more than ready :)
I can't tell the price now though.. it's 11pm where I am :)
So I'll have to get to know (tomorrow for me) and I need somewhere/someone to send it to too (pm me adress name etc. ?)
I think as well price will depend on how fast we want it to get there.. I mean if fast fast fast priority it'll me more expensive, if just fast less and if just "post" speed the least.. ;) let me know friends.
By the way does 1% need a battery in it? (it's the same as 5D MKII)
Thank you Magic 7d, you have helped us all
Magic 7D we are extremely lucky to have your contribution , please let us know how we can contribute for the shipping (paypal?) , i don't know if anybody else agrees on paying a bit more for express shippping , i don't mind
super fast delivery should be nice
https://www.facebook.com/martijn.vanbeek/media_set?set=a.10201771158467118.1073741828.1426125701&type=3
i thook the liberty of sharing some raw video stills form the 7D Raw video :)
enjoy guys !
Thanks Magic 7D. I am also in guys to contribute.
Quote from: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 11:01:54 PM
I'm ready to send! :) :) :) :) more than ready :)
I can't tell the price now though.. it's 11pm where I am :)
So I'll have to get to know (tomorrow for me) and I need somewhere/someone to send it to too (pm me adress name etc. ?)
I think as well price will depend on how fast we want it to get there.. I mean if fast fast fast priority it'll me more expensive, if just fast less and if just "post" speed the least.. ;) let me know friends.
22:31 at Portugal ;D
If we all collaborate/donate we can send it by express, with insurance/register and buy a battery and charger to send to 1% , no?
As soon i got the address of 1% i send you PM. When you know the price for send it tell us, maybe you should see the top/fast and secure shipment and one intermediate + battery and charger.
Do you have paypal account?
Portugal is right down my spine ;D got a sister livin in spain still to go to Portugal though.. ;)
I've got PayPal
I'll find out price (all with insurance + register) of express and intermediate as soon as I got adress. I can include a battery (got a few) but charger.. don't know maybe good to ask 1% bout that? Maybe He's got 5D MKII (I don't know if MKIII is the same battery)
LP-E6 is compatible with 7D, 5D Mark II und 5D Mark III. Strange but true!
EDIT: And runs in 70D, too.
Ciao, Walter
Come to Portugal !!! Free house in Lisbon, downtown !!! Best place !!!
PM
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 12:15:33 AM
Come to Portugal !!! Free house in Lisbon, downtown !!! Best place !!!
We (three bikers) were there last autumn and we'll (4 bikers) be in Andalucía very soon. Take care, we enjoyed it there, forest fire smoke screen aside.
Ciao, Walter
This is so exciting!
I want be a Tester for 7D :)
F
Big thank you to magic 7D!
WOW great news! I'd be happy to donate some money for developing this monster :)
Big thanks to arrinkiiii for your help coordinating, to Magic 7D for your great donation and to 1% for your awesome brain
Here is autoexec.bin with latest changes:
- Menu: experimental dynamic page that shows modified settings [usability] (Thanks a1ex!)
- Updated autoexpo and ettr modules (Thanks pravdomil and a1ex!)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
I don't know how to delete this post lol :D
Quote from: britom on August 26, 2013, 01:25:34 AM
WOW great news! I'd be happy to donate some money for developing this monster :)
Big thanks to arrinkiiii for your help coordinating, to Magic 7D for your great donation and to 1% for your awesome brain
Here is autoexec.bin with latest changes:
- Menu: experimental dynamic page that shows modified settings [usability] (Thanks alex!)
- Updated autoexpo module (Thanks pravdomil!)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
You guys ROCK !!! kick ass ty soooo much, im having trouble compiling on cygwin :( and yes cygwin blows compaired to linux i know...
many thanks!!!
--
K.C.
Quote from: britom on August 26, 2013, 01:25:34 AM
WOW great news! I'd be happy to donate some money for developing this monster :)
Big thanks to arrinkiiii for your help coordinating, to Magic 7D for your great donation and to 1% for your awesome brain
Here is autoexec.bin with latest changes:
- Menu: experimental dynamic page that shows modified settings [usability] (Thanks alex!)
- Updated autoexpo module (Thanks pravdomil!)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
It nothing, glad that i could help.
Thank you very much for compile :D Do you manage to compile the auto ETTR update?
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 12:43:09 AM
We (three bikers) were there last autumn and we'll (4 bikers) be in Andalucía very soon. Take care, we enjoyed it there, forest fire smoke screen aside.
It is very beautiful and also the south of spain.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 02:22:38 AM
Do you manage to compile the auto ETTR update?
Forgot that one!, done and updated!
AHUUUUUU ;D ;D Thank you !!!
Let us know how are you collecting the money, will try to contribute. ;-)
Hi everyone
thx for all the work, i'm havin a lot of fun testin this RAW mode
here's my first shooting test montage, only 720p... can't shoot 1080p with my CF card :'(
(7D +Sigma 150 macro non-os, and a good tripod)
Quote from: hbr on August 26, 2013, 02:55:51 AM
Let us know how are you collecting the money, will try to contribute. ;-)
I will also contribute, but im on disability and only get paid once a month, i can happily contribute after 9/4/13 :))
Thanks again for everyones efforts its truly appreciated.
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K.C.
Hi guys,
I have a 7D since 2010 and I'm new to Magic Lantern.
A week ago I dicovered this wonderful community/forum and decided to install ML on my 7D. Since then, I have been following this thread every day, trying to do RAW video with my 7D.
I was having all the problems like the freezing live view and the 600px limit.
But, as I have a little experience in programming, I decided to clone pelican's version and take a shot at modding and compiling it by myself. Took some time to make it work, and I used britom's discovery of changing the line "uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;" to "uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;" on the edmac-memcpy.c file.
Compiled, copied to my card, and VOILA, had some surprises:
- My liveview does not freeze anymore
- The captured frames are not glitched/corrupted, I tested many times, all ok
- Now I can record more than 600px vertical resolutions without errors in the image!
- Maximum res I recorded continuosly was 1472x828
- Maximum res I recorded not continuosly was 1728x972
- Using crop mode, I can record (not in silent picture, raw_rec!) around 200 - 300 frames in 2.5k, without glitches and frame corruption beyond the 600px limit, no problem at all!
My card is a SANDISK Extreme 16gb 60mbps. Copied raw_rec module only, no other modules installed or running. Haven`t tried with other modules yet.
I wonder if I had a faster card I could work all the way up to 1080p RAW continuosly with live view. That would be bliss.
Gonna try that this week, I have a friend that can lend me a 1000x card. I'll keep you informed.
Thank you all, you guys are amazing.
Sorry by my english.
Greetings from Brazil,
Nicko
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You can download my build here:
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip (http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip)
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
Example movie recorded using raw_rec in 1728x972 resolution with Live View fully working during record (converted to h264 in mpegstreamclip for web upload):
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/M26-0521_C0000.mp4 (http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/M26-0521_C0000.mp4)
brunonicko!!!!
You are probably the next best thing to God creating a woman!!!
I will try this on my 1000x CF!
I would also like to donate. Let me know the details when available.
Thank you Magic 7D, arrinkiiii and 1%
@brunonicko
I see 2 other bin files. ROM0.bin and ROM1.bin . What shall I do with those?
I think they aren't needed. They appeared on my card after I used EOSCard and some other procedures to install ML, so I left those there ever since. But I don't think they're needed. :)
Wow this really works! So i guess i wasn't wrong but probably compiling on cgywin screwed something :) Can you share more details on how you compiled?
Quote from: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 07:09:36 AM
I think they aren't needed. They appeared on my card after I used EOSCard and some other procedures to install ML, so I left those there ever since. But I don't think they're needed. :)
Bravo Brunonicko!!1728 x 972
16:9 = 2,139 frames
1728 x 934
1.85:1=5,014 frames
1728 x 864
2:1= continuous!!
1-2 corrupt frames per clip near start.
Yeah!!! Good to know it works on other 7Ds!
Sure, Britom!
I followed this guide, using virtualbox and linux (I had problems with cygwin, so I decided to go Linux):
http://youtu.be/LcHJdsl5Dxw
Instead of cloning the mercurial repo showed in the video, I cloned Pelican's one.
But then when I tried to compile for the 7D, it gave me some errors.
To fix them, I had to edit Makefile.user and the Makefiles inside the 7D.203 folder, guided by some posts in the ML forum for every error I got in compilation.
Finally got it compiled and working, but with liveview and 600px limitations. Then I tried Britom's change, compiled again and Voila!
I can post the files I've modified from Pelican's code if you want to.
In Crop mode
Resolution=no of frames
2512 x 1200
2:09:1 = 97
1920 x 1080
16:9 = 201
1728 x 972
16:9 = 480
1728 x 864
2:1 =853
1728 x 786
2.20:1 = 3207
1728 x 736
2.35:1 = continuous
brunonicko,
Thanks for your contribution!
Suggestion, can you clean up your zipped compiles and remove those unused .bin files and maybe just zip the autoexec and the MODULES folder?
That way testers can just use EOScard and easily update by downloading with your compile and overwriting the ones on the bootable CFcard.
Again thanks!
I did the same thing but with hudson/magic-lantern repo and under cgywin, compiling was a lot slower than on linux and also noticed some weird alerts while compiling. But this is great news man, thanks a lot!
I'm getting some 1-2 corrupt frames near the start of the clip. But everything ok afterwards.
Sandisk 8gb 60mb
1728-972 = 150 frames Quality set on raw, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 260 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 433 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:of
Thankyou guys.
Edit: no corrupt frames here
Quote from: szigiszmund on August 26, 2013, 08:13:27 AM
Sandisk 8gb 60mb
1728-972 = 150 frames Quality set on raw, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 260 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 433 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:of
Thankyou guys.
Edit: no corrupt frames here
Wow! In my excitement I forgot to turn off the raw stills! Now the continuous record frames is much higher! I will update my previous posts. Thanks!
I get 3 frames from the end of the video written in the begining on frame 2, 3 and 4... everything else is perfect
Now if only we can port FPS over ride so we can do 24p in crop mode!
But first, those couple of corrupt frames near the start of a clip. :D
wow, so the 7D is becoming a very serious video camera behind the mark III.
funny bucause it was the "ugly duckling" of the canon cameras.
Holy cow you guys are amazing , did a quick test , continuous 1728-972 with working live view on my 1000x card
how are you guys doing 1080p it won't let me select it ?
there are no words to describe how excited i am !
EDIT : just realized other resolution are available in crop :)
1920-1080 = 223 frames
liveview still freezes in 10x crop
Quote from: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 09:19:48 AM
Holy cow you guys are amazing , did a quick test , continuous 1728-972 with working live view on my 1000x card
how are you guys doing 1080p it won't let me select it ?
there are no words to describe how excited i am !
EDIT : just realized other resolution are available in crop :)
Cheers, that's the max resolution for the Canon 7D.
Higher resolutions in crop mode with hardware modification would be interesting in the near future.
Quote from: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 09:19:48 AM
Holy cow you guys are amazing , did a quick test , continuous 1728-972 with working live view on my 1000x card
1920-1080 = 223 frames
liveview still freezes in 10x crop
you can disable 10x magnify in ml menu.
Theres no10x crop only 3x crop by using 5x magnify . :)
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 09:44:16 AM
you can disable 10x magnify in ml menu.
Theres no10x crop only 3x crop by using 5x magnify . :)
Thanks for the tip !
yes i should have said 10x magnify instead of crop
Heres a recap of resolutions now possible with a 1000x CF card.
in 24P
1728 x 972 16:9 = Continuous
in Crop mode which is 30P since there is still no FPS over ride.
2152 x 1200 2.09:1 = 97
1920 x 1080 16:9 = 201
1728 x 736 2.35:1 =Continuous
1600 x 800 2:1 = Continuous
in 60P
1728 x 412 3:1 = 449
1600 x 382 3:1 = 2,610
1472 x 350 3:1 = Continuous
1280 X 416 2.20:1 = Continuous
Love you Brunonicko!!!!! :) :) :)
on Lexar 1000x 32Go (24p) :
1728 x 972 (16:9) : = continuous
1728 x 736 (2.35) : = continuous
Other resolutions are available in crop (Love that because no line skipping here !) (30p) :
1728 x 736 (crop Mode / 2.35) = continuous
1920 x 1080 (Crop Mode / 16.9) = 235 frames
1920 x 818 (Crop Mode / 2.35) = 660 frames
2048 x 1152 (Crop Mode / 16.9) = 147 frames
2048 x 872 (Crop Mode / 2.35) = 359 frames
2240 x 1200 (Crop Mode / 1.87) : 126 frames
2240 x 1200 (Crop Mode / 2.35) : 198 frames
2512 x 1200 (Crop Mode / aspect ratio 2:09) = 100 frames
2512 x 1068 (Crop Mode / 2.35) = 127 frames
2512 x 942 (Crop Mode / 2.67) = 150 frames
Some corrupt frames with Global Draw activated. No one when Global Draw off.
Awesome progress !!!! i'm loving more and more my 7d !
Today has been a good day
Thank you @brunonicko !!
Higher resolution than 600px height now works, and live view does not freeze.
There is couple of corrupted frames every now and then, in the first second of the video, but oherwise it's working fine! ;-)
Awesome job, Brunonicko !!!!!!!!!!!
One question besides: I get a pink pixel in each frame. always at the same place. looks like a dead/hot pixel to me. However, I´ve never noticed it in any still foto. Does ACR remove it automatically in stills?
Quote from: hbr on August 26, 2013, 11:00:25 AM
There is couple of corrupted frames every now and then, in the first second of the video, but oherwise it's working fine! ;-)
I had the same problem... switching on the card warm up fixed it for me.
I am guessing that corrupted frames could be caused by slow card speed, will test new 1000x card as soon as I get it ;-)
This kind of modification would be very useful in crop mode. What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uroor8e-HIU
woo hoo, thanks a lot !
no any freeze in live-view recording ! now, just need to buy 1000x card !
Quote from: edwmotion on August 26, 2013, 09:31:25 AM
Cheers, that's the max resolution for the Canon 7D.
Higher resolutions in crop mode with hardware modification would be interesting in the near future.
I'm a little bit confused , 1728 x 972 really is the limit in non crop with RAW ? is this a hardware limitation on the 7D ?
What about in crop mode , now that we can record 1080p and 2.5k etc , will it be possible to improve the duration or has the 7D reached it's limit with the write speed ?
;D
Quote from: Digital Corpus on August 17, 2013, 03:47:31 AM
For the following aspect ratios, assuming that we can achieve a continuous ~80 MB/sec +/- 0.5 MB/sec, the maximum frame sizes are:
FR 3:2 16:9 2.35:1
23.976 1728 x 1152 1892 x 1056 2176 x 920
29.97 1550 x 1032 1696 x 944 1944 x 824
59.94 1088 x 736 1192 x 672 1368 x 584
Just demonstrating theoretical in case anyone has the time to test and push the boundaries of our hardware.
It's time to push these boundaries. It seems like we are still a far way off this.
As a ML noobie, I got 2 question that's troubling for my mind:
what do you exactly call "Crop Mode"? ::)
And how to know if you're in 24 or 30 fps?
I got the (wrong?) feelin I'm not doiin something as it should be done do get the best results
thanks
and btw, sorry for my english :P
Quote from: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
what do you exactly call "Crop Mode"? ::)
Exactly what it says: A smaller frame inside your "full frame" APS-C sensor area. There is a menu item to turn it on and off.
Maybe you are confused by the fact that a "normal" RAW picture may have less pixels than a cropped one.
There are two modes: "Normal" RAW video uses liveview and this is limited to 17xx width. Cropped mode uses a smaller rectrangle inside the sensor area without line skipping.
It's something like digital zoom ...
Quote from: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
And how to know if you're in 24 or 30 fps?
There is a menu item allowing to choose and check the actual setting.
Quote from: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
I got the (wrong?) feelin I'm not doiin something as it should be done do get the best results
It's called "learning curve". RAW has it's caveats and stumbling on this bumpy road is quite normal.
Read a lot in the RAW Video section and just keep on experimenting. You're at the very edge of something fascinating but it is still an edge.
Ciao, Walter
Hey guys, I'm new to magic lantern, this is my first post :)
Will this card work with the 7D raw: http://www.amazon.com/KOMPUTERBAY-128GB-Professional-COMPACT-Extreme/dp/B00DQ8WM72 ?
I saw elsewhere, in the 5d forums, that there's an issue connecting that card via usb2 readers. Since I don't have an external reader, and I plan to use the camera connected directly to the computer to do the offloading... will it be okay?
Any reason to go with the 1000x instead (besides a little savings)?
Thanks :)
You need a card reader or you will not be able to install ML.
Kingston FCR-HS3 works very well with SD and CF and costs only a fraction of the card's price.
And you will be limited to USB 2.0 speed (about 16 MByte/s cam -> computer). To transfer 128 GByte this way it will take about 2 hours. And you will drain the batteries reducing their life time ...
@all: Heard about compatibility issues with this card and 7D. Still a problem or solved?
Ciao, Walter
Hi,
i just followod this hole threads quite a while now. till now i was not able if i should try, but with the latest version made by brunonicko i am planing to try. Now my question. Can someone link the latest installation instruction? At the moment i am a little bit confused, what is the actuall way to make everything running (specially i would like to test the one that has been made by brunonicko).
sorry for the questoin, but i dont wont to make something wrong that i took the wrong instruction.
thanks for the help
regards
Welcome to our roller coaster!
First steps are linked in the first post.
After this one download brunonicko's files, expand them and copy the files/ML dir over the card's files/ML dir.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 12:52:14 PM
There is a menu item allowing to choose and check the actual setting.
Thx for ur answer Walt :)
I just looked further.... Finally I simply do not understood that you have to go in x5 liveview in order to turn on the "crop mode"... ::)
I now have to try some macro shots at 2.5k!
Good Morningggggg :D
This is awesome, what a weekend!!!
Obrigadooo Brunonicko, voçe salvou-nos massaaaaa
Going to try ;D
so that description is still the right one. I was not shure about. i had the feeling that there are different description.
So will try it then :)
Just one more question. When i unzip the file from brunonicko there are two main folders. __MACOSX and ML_BrunoNicko. Do i need both content or just the one under ML_BrunoNicko?
André
Great job.
I have got a problem. When zoom in to 10x, my 7D still freezes, but it is only a small glitch that I can solve it by switch off 10x zoom in the menu.
BTW, when shoot with raw, the 7D often goes into sleep mode, could not find a way to stop it. It is driving me nuts. Helps needed. Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Aquablue71 on August 26, 2013, 01:52:29 PM
so that description is still the right one. I was not shure about. i had the feeling that there are different description.
So will try it then :)
Just one more question. When i unzip the file from brunonicko there are two main folders. __MACOSX and ML_BrunoNicko. Do i need both content or just the one under ML_BrunoNicko?
André
Just the Autoexec.bin and the ML Folder.
Please ignore reply #420. I turned off the LV power saving in Canon's menu.
Thanks Walter, I'll look into that card reader. In terms of battery life, I use AC adapter- but yeah, a card reader is definitely the way to go- thanks for the nudge in the right direction :)
My only catch is since I'm in Israel, it's a bit tough to get bulkier equipment. A CF card can be slipped into an envelope. Card reader is a little trickier... but you're right, I need to get one ;)
Looking forward to the group's conclusion for that card... can't wait to start playing with ML, and I have a couple upcoming low-budget shorts which I was going to rent a BMCC for but now might just shoot with this upgrade. Yay!
BTW I have both a programming and film background (portfolio @ http://davidkomer.com)... it's been a really long time since I've played with asm, and my C is really very rusty as well... but I'm no stranger to thousands of lines of code if I'm able to help out somewhere specific. Schedule's pretty tight, plus family obligations etc. but you never know :D
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
You need a card reader or you will not be able to install ML.
Kingston FCR-HS3 works very well with SD and CF and costs only a fraction of the card's price.
And you will be limited to USB 2.0 speed (about 16 MByte/s cam -> computer). To transfer 128 GByte this way it will take about 2 hours. And you will drain the batteries reducing their life time ...
@all: Heard about compatibility issues with this card and 7D. Still a problem or solved?
Ciao, Walter
In the beginning i just update the raw_rec module... and it freeze the camera. Update the autoexec.bat and everything go's alright :D I think this happen because i have the last autoexec.bat that have the dinamic menu but now it don't have.
Britom or Brunonicko it's possible to compile the last ml (autoexec.bat) with the last features from the bitbucket and working with this last raw_rec module from Brunonicko?
THANK YOUUUUUU ;D ;D
thanks Ted. Seems working now :)
Great work. Now i have to play a little bit to get a feeling for the tool...
Awesome work Brunonicko!
I got my Lexar 1000x card last week and I'm getting my USB 3.0 card reader this week.
I just want to make sure we don't forget about 1% getting Magic 7D's slightly broken 7D body so that we can get the 7D ML code up to where the other ports are at for all of the other modules, etc.
Thanks, guys. Real credits goes to Britom, he discovered the edmac issue.
Arrinkiiii, the new features are available in hudson's repo, I believe? I should try later to compile from there and see if it works.
Morning here in Brazil, gonna make some test clips now! :)
Thanks brunonicko and Britom.
I just shot continuously at 1280 x 720 on a Hoodman 300x card, which benchmarks at 37MBs, and 296mbs, with Live View for the first time.
When I shot over a minute or so, my raw file had a Unix file that with the suffix ROO or R00 at the end. The Unix file was the large file, and neither could be transcoded into dng files.
Very happy with this. The 720p file is so much richer than the h.264 1080p files I shot as a comparison test.
Heh, so for the edmac there is a function called reslock that locks those resources from canon... you can also use it to find/check free edmacs. So what is missing on 7D?
Display filter I saw,
FPS override too?
Wav probably needs input gain/mic selection like 6D.
Maybe a1ex/g3gg0 knows this: why are we running on the slave proc and not the master? Master seems to have access to more stuff, right? No bulkIPC usage?
Just shot 7secs of 720p raw on Transcend 400x card. Got to check the stores for a faster card, but the point is raw rec works :)
The liveview freezes at 10x zoom. Any fixes on that?
Quote from: slybugg on August 26, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Thanks brunonicko and Britom.
I just shot continuously at 1280 x 720 on a Hoodman 300x card, which benchmarks at 37MBs, and 296mbs, with Live View for the first time.
When I shot over a minute or so, my raw file had a Unix file that with the suffix ROO or R00 at the end. The Unix file was the large file, and neither could be transcoded into dng files.
Very happy with this. The 720p file is so much richer than the h.264 1080p files I shot as a comparison test.
You need to join the files, they should be called Mxx-xxxx.RAW and any subsequent spanned file should share the same name but end in .RXX.
Files are automatically spanned when you reach the 4 GB limit of the FAT32 file system.
Quote from: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 02:28:53 PM
Thanks, guys. Real credits goes to Britom, he discovered the edmac issue.
Arrinkiiii, the new features are available in hudson's repo, I believe? I should try later to compile from there and see if it works.
Morning here in Brazil, gonna make some test clips now! :)
Yes, i think there is everything that we need for try the latest ML functions. The new autoexec.bat with dinamic menu is very useful.
Quote from: Scott7D on August 26, 2013, 02:22:49 PM
I just want to make sure we don't forget about 1% getting Magic 7D's slightly broken 7D body so that we can get the 7D ML code up to where the other ports are at for all of the other modules, etc.
Im waiting that Magic 7D send me an PM with the shipment price. And we are ready to go. A lot to do in the 7D :D
Quote from: 1% on August 26, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
Heh, so for the edmac there is a function called reslock that locks those resources from canon... you can also use it to find/check free edmacs. So what is missing on 7D?
Display filter I saw,
FPS override too?
Wav probably needs input gain/mic selection like 6D.
Maybe a1ex/g3gg0 knows this: why are we running on the slave proc and not the master? Master seems to have access to more stuff, right? No bulkIPC usage?
Yes, also fps override, audio, etc... Is dual-iso workes with raw video? Can we use exfat, for not spanning the files and go more then 4GB?
Thats a good question, I only see it for photo. I guess needs regs for LV. If its like 50D and ONLY has one reg for LV then its boned, otherwise LV should work. The regs are on the master, maybe that is the problem.
Quote from: 1% on August 26, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
Thats a good question, I only see it for photo. I guess needs regs for LV. If its like 50D and ONLY has one reg for LV then its boned, otherwise LV should work. The regs are on the master, maybe that is the problem.
Yes i think have more then one reg and the difficult is because is because of the master processor
So anyone tried to compile the 7D master version and run it?
Compiled under linux with latest changes:
- Raw video works good
- Removed autoexpo.mo because of some conflicts.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
any chance to have continuous full HD without crop mode ? or 1728 x 972 is the maximum reachable ? benchmark get good results with 1000x cards ?
Can't go higher unless we figure out how to set custom resolutions for LV. I think the middle ground is figuring out FPS override so you can have 24fps in crop mode rather than the 30.
I think we need to find the reslock stub
Yep, and run the test. I have no FW yet so I can't check stuff out.
After that figure out how to freeze the LV again for hacked mode.
Someone mentioned something earlier but I wanted to double-check, has there been some progress made with 128gb cards? Will they work with ML on the 7D now?
my understanding is that using 128GB cards for shooting isn't a problem, you just need to load ML from another card first
All these developments are making me impatient... I think I'll just order the 1050x card and card reader and report back how they work. Seems there's no real definitive reason why they wouldn't
:)
Hey,
Can someone please explain to me how I get continuous RAW record and dual ISO module to work? I have Burst RAW working. Do I copy and paste Modules and autoexec on to the CF or do I have to do something else?
Alternative build using the latest raw_rec from g3gg0:
- Write speed increased (Can anyone confirm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb
Dont forget to copy all the files and enable the raw_rec and ime_base modules or it wont work.
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Quote from: dmk on August 26, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
my understanding is that using 128GB cards for shooting isn't a problem, you just need to load ML from another card first
All these developments are making me impatient... I think I'll just order the 1050x card and card reader and report back how they work. Seems there's no real definitive reason why they wouldn't
:)
Can anyone confirm this?
Just guessing... but if 128GB cards work on 5DII and 50D there is no reason they won't on 7D. People who bought a 128/64, etc and tried to run the fir are the ones that had problems.
I thought about this one:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg65883#msg65883
Maybe ted has some new insight to share.
Ciao, Walter
You probably have heard, 7D's supported file system for the CF card is FAT32 which has a maximum allocatable sectors of 2^32, so that, which I have heard, translated to the maximum allocatable partition that is 32gb.
There might be a hack to this, that is to format the CF card manually assigning a very large sector (but that will mean waste some space), just format with "format /?" in Windows command promt to see what options you can get. I haven't tried this on my camera, the camera might not recognize the file system.
It is also heard that if you don't format the CF card in the camera, the camera's write speed will decrease over time, so you need to perform the format operation from time to time.
My 2 cents.
I refreshed the ML zip on my site (http://pel.hu/ML/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2.zip) with BrunoNicko's version so EOScards downloads that now with working LV during raw_rec.
If anyone can compile ML 7D regularly and make a complete zip file and upload it somewhere with the same name then I can set up EOScard to use that link.
Cheers from Brazil.
(http://pel.hu/pic/IM7_126549.jpg)
Quote from: britom on August 26, 2013, 05:14:50 PM
Alternative build using the latest raw_rec from g3gg0:
- Write speed increased (Can anyone confirm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb
Dont forget to copy all the files and enable the raw_rec and ime_base modules or it wont work.
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Thanks!!!
I'll test that
I got something to report on the brunonicko build, I get corrupted frames from time to time during a single movie (not only at the beginning)
look at this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A92dbsQwI7A/Uht7Vophk1I/AAAAAAAAABA/LaKhZoTPyls/s640/corrupt_t.jpg)
shootin@ 1920*818 (crop mode) with frame skipping enabled
Quote from: britom on August 26, 2013, 05:14:50 PM
Alternative build using the latest raw_rec from g3gg0:
- Write speed increased (Can anyone confirm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb
Dont forget to copy all the files and enable the raw_rec and ime_base modules or it wont work.
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
So, are these generating .MLV files instead of .RAW files now? I just tested it and, when shooting RAW, ended up with a .MLV file in the root directory instead of a .RAW file in the 100ES7D directory.
Quote from: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 06:14:54 PM
ended up with a .MLV file in the root directory instead of a .RAW file in the 100ES7D directory.
did you try to de-raw this file?
Quote from: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
did you try to de-raw this file?
Tried, but couldn't figure out how. This is the first time that I've seen a .MLV file show up so I'm not used to working with them. I'm on a Mac and have been searching the forums on how to process them but haven't come up with much. :-[
QuoteI got something to report on the brunonicko build, I get corrupted frames from time to time during a single movie (not only at the beginning)
possible issues...1# that edmac channel is still not free... hence reslock + test... #2... sync is fucked like on 600D, you guy don't have display filters, #3, cpu usage
Yea, MLV is its own thing, its still being tested and slower than normal raw.
Heh, all these things I can look at when I get 7D or at least 7D firmware.
Britom's version is about 9-12% faster, so I can bump up the resolution 1 stop with the same CF card.
Quote from: 1% on August 26, 2013, 06:40:52 PM
possible issues...1# that edmac channel is still not free... hence reslock + test... #2... sync is fucked like on 600D, you guy don't have display filters, #3, cpu usage
Yea, MLV is its own thing, its still being tested and slower than normal raw.
Heh, all these things I can look at when I get 7D or at least 7D firmware.
Is there a way to disable the .MLV and shoot standard .RAW files?
This magic lantern is amazed! My friend just showed this website two days ago and read everywhere. I made a raw video last night without live view! I found out that live view works this morning. I tried brunonicko's files, and it worked!
Thank you for the amazed work.
You can either use the MLV converter or run an older module that outputs raw.
Quote from: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 04:44:22 PM
Someone mentioned something earlier but I wanted to double-check, has there been some progress made with 128gb cards? Will they work with ML on the 7D now?
I've been using a Komputerbay 128Gb 1000x card for the last 3 months with my 7D running just about every release of magic lantern that has come out, though I never tried to use that card to boot flag my 7D, I used another card for that. I have had no problems with it so far, Raw video shoots continuously at 1728x972 @ 25P. Please note this is the 1000x card not the 1050x that was mentioned.
And also a huge thank you to all the developers of Magic Lantern.
i was wondering why i can get 1728 x 972 continuous , but not in crop mode , not even close (~400 frames) , is recording in crop with no line skipping more demanding for some reason ?
Quote from: 1% on August 26, 2013, 07:01:06 PM
You can either use the MLV converter or run an older module that outputs raw.
Is there an easy way to do that on a Mac? I found a program that uses the command line, but I was hoping there was something easier. I've been searching but haven't found the right .MLV thread.
Hey 1%, while we get you a 7d is there any way i can help you get the 7d firmware? You mean a firmware update from canon or some dump from the camera?
stevelucky read from here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
Hi everyone, I'm using and trying all the modules you guys do and I am flattered, great job to ML and you guys. I Convert the files using RAWMagic and importing in AE CC and grading with Camera raw exporting using prores 4444 and editing in premiere CC upscaling to 1080p then exporting .h264.
So my question would be am I doing something wrong cuz I'm happy with the footage but not that much compared to some videos I see online.
Quote from: Jim Jarmusch on August 26, 2013, 08:05:43 PM
Hi everyone, I'm using and trying all the modules you guys do and I am flattered, great job to ML and you guys. I Convert the files using RAWMagic and importing in AE CC and grading with Camera raw exporting using prores 4444 and editing in premiere CC upscaling to 1080p then exporting .h264.
So my question would be am I doing something wrong cuz I'm happy with the footage but not that much compared to some videos I see online.
Your workflow sounds good , what videos are you referring to , some of them are shot in burst mode with no line skipping in 2.5k , 1728 x 972 with the RAW module is much better than the original 1080p H264 , but nowhere near as good as 2.5k in crop !
Quote from: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 07:58:48 PM
Is there an easy way to do that on a Mac? I found a program that uses the command line, but I was hoping there was something easier. I've been searching but haven't found the right .MLV thread.
Any more thoughts on this?
I just added the newest build today and am now getting the .MLVs. Formatted card in computer, then in camera, then made it bootable, and copied the autoexec and ml files.
EDIT: Tried MLV2DNG with no luck, now Im getting "illegal instruction: 4" in the terminal window.
XXXX-iMac:~ username$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/username/Desktop/M26-0003.MLV
Illegal instruction: 4
Anything I'm doing wrong?
THANKS
Quote from: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 08:17:55 PM
Your workflow sounds good , what videos are you referring to , some of them are shot in burst mode with no line skipping in 2.5k , 1728 x 972 with the RAW module is much better than the original 1080p H264 , but nowhere near as good as 2.5k in crop !
Yes I am shooting 1728 x 972 raw grading it with adobe camera raw and exporting it with AE CC with prores 4444 and upscaling it in premiere CC and exporting in h.264. Are my codecs right?
Quote from: Jim Jarmusch on August 26, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
Yes I am shooting 1728 x 972 raw grading it with adobe camera raw and exporting it with AE CC with prores 4444 and upscaling it in premiere CC and exporting in h.264. Are my codecs right?
your workflow is fine , you could export uncompressed instead of prores if you got the space , if your final output in h264 does not look as good as what it should raise the bitrate a bit
but don't expect 1728 x 972 in non crop to look as good as some of the footage (https://vimeo.com/71915327) you might have seen
Quote from: Jim Jarmusch on August 26, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
Yes I am shooting 1728 x 972 raw grading it with adobe camera raw and exporting it with AE CC with prores 4444 and upscaling it in premiere CC and exporting in h.264. Are my codecs right?
Well first, the question we have for you is, are you really Jim Jarmusch? ???
First I just want to say fantastic work, I am still in disbelief that the 7D is recording raw after all the issues with the Dual Processors.
I spent the weekend playing with raw and now with the extra res and fixed live view I want to take time off work to just play more.
I have noticed that Aliasing/Moire is far more apparent with Raw, can anyone who has it tell me how well the VAF-7D Moire / Aliasing Filter works when using the latest build?
Is this something that the camera hardware is causing or could a lot of it be removed with future tweaks to Magic Lantern?
Moire and Aliasing has been driving me nuts and is pretty much the only thing making this camera next to perfect for me but I don't want to drop 300 dollars until I know it has a significant difference when shooting raw.
Once again thank you so much for keeping at the development of the 7D ;D
Quote from: DragonFlame on August 26, 2013, 08:48:43 PM
First I just want to say fantastic work, I am still in disbelief that the 7D is recording raw after all the issues with the Dual Processors.
I spent the weekend playing with raw and now with the extra res and fixed live view I want to take time off work to just play more.
I have noticed that Aliasing/Moire is far more apparent with Raw, can anyone who has it tell me how well the VAF-7D Moire / Aliasing Filter works when using the latest build?
Is this something that the camera hardware is causing or could a lot of it be removed with future tweaks to Magic Lantern?
Moire and Aliasing has been driving me nuts and is pretty much the only thing making this camera next to perfect for me but I don't want to drop 300 dollars until I know it has a significant difference when shooting raw.
Once again thank you so much for keeping at the development of the 7D ;D
Aliasing/Moire is caused by line skipping , the camera uses the whole sensor (18mp) but skips lines to output a lower resolution , ML has a solution for that and it's called crop mode , it only uses a part of the sensor without having to skip lines
This is from what i understand
Take a look at the test footage (https://vimeo.com/72202406) i have uploaded a while ago with lots of bricks and tiles shots , see if you can spot any moire/aliasing
Quote from: briwil on August 26, 2013, 08:45:36 PM
Well first, the question we have for you is, are you really Jim Jarmusch? ???
Well, hem, yeah, dude, I mean if u are briwil, sure, why not. Joke by side of course I'm not Jim Jarmusch. Jim shoots on 35mm and on Arri Alexa as by "Only Lovers Left Alive".
Thanks for your quick reply kh3naz, 2.5k is beautiful indeed and I have run my own tests with it last weekend with beautiful results also but its not very useful in a real filming situation where you need to record continuously least I could not get more than a few seconds of footage.
I have yet to test the latest build in crop mode so maybe I'm missing something, does it allow us to record more than a few seconds now?
If not for my purposes I am limited to using the camera in non cropped mode which still has issues and is why I'm looking for a solution.
Quote from: DragonFlame on August 26, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Thanks for your quick reply kh3naz, 2.5k is beautiful indeed and I have run my own tests with it last weekend with beautiful results also but its not very useful in a real filming situation where you need to record continuously least I could not get more than a few seconds of footage.
I have yet to test the latest build in crop mode so maybe I'm missing something, does it allow us to record more than a few seconds now?
If not for my purposes I am limited to using the camera in non cropped mode which still has issues and is why I'm looking for a solution.
I am no Magic Lantern geek so i can't really answer you , i didn't really get answers to my own questions but i think RAW in non crop has reached its limit with 1728 x 972 continuous , the only solution for moire/aliasing is the VAF filter as far as i know
In crop mode the image is just perfect , but i can only record ~400 frames in 1728 x 972 right now , i don't understand why it isn't continuous as in non crop , continuous 1080p in crop would be amazing , let's hope for the best
Its probably just something that needs some tweaking, I would settle for 1728 res in crop continuous but yes 1080p would be a dream come true.
Quote from: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
I got something to report on the brunonicko build, I get corrupted frames from time to time during a single movie (not only at the beginning)
Strange thing but I have some corrupt frames too with Global Draw activated but no one when Global Draw off.
Quote from: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 09:36:20 PM
In crop mode the image is just perfect , but i can only record ~400 frames in 1728 x 972 right now , i don't understand why it isn't continuous as in non crop , continuous 1080p in crop would be amazing , let's hope for the best
without FPS override the default fps for 5X zoom mode is 29.97 = less recording time
in normal live view fps is 24 = continuos recording time on 1000x cards
Fps override it's not yet implemented
Quote from: szigiszmund on August 26, 2013, 10:04:06 PM
without FPS override the default fps for 5X zoom mode is 29.97 = less recording time
in normal live view fps is 24 = continuos recording time on 1000x cards
Fps override it's not yet implemented
You are right i forgot about the different framerates , this makes sense
Quote from: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 04:44:22 PM
Someone mentioned something earlier but I wanted to double-check, has there been some progress made with 128gb cards? Will they work with ML on the 7D now?
yes. Testing the KomputerBay CF cards I have, 128 gig capacity was not the issue. It was the chip firmware versions.
You should be able to both run firmware and ML on a 128 1000x with no problems.
at least it seems that i got the firmware up an running.
I also found the raw menu entry. When i now try to record in raw the cam just gives a short peep noise and some error text (please dont ask me what i am not so fast in reading ;)). When in now look into my card i have a bunch of .RAW files.
Does anyone have any tips, why it always stops after a few seconds?
And maybe some stupid question. how can i play the raw files?
By the way i am using the 1000x card.
My raw setting is 1728*972
i am realy happy about every hint :)
Quote from: dmk on August 26, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
my understanding is that using 128GB cards for shooting isn't a problem, you just need to load ML from another card first
All these developments are making me impatient... I think I'll just order the 1050x card and card reader and report back how they work. Seems there's no real definitive reason why they wouldn't
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For Komputer Bay CF cards the 1000X 128gig, 64gig, 32gig, they all work with 5DmkII and 7D.
The 1050x 128 gig
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Hi! With this new update, 7D record files with format .MLV no .RAW... ??? For me, Mac user, can't work with it... What can i do?
Thanks! ;D
Quote from: juanmelchor on August 26, 2013, 11:55:24 PM
Hi! With this new update, 7D record files with format .MLV no .RAW... ??? For me, Mac user, can't work with it... What can i do?
Thanks! ;D
Go here and download the Mac version in the first post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0
This is a terminal utility that will rip the MLV into individual .DNG frames. All you have to do is open up the terminal and drag the utility into the terminal. The terminal should then show the path of the utility. For example, I put the utility into my Applications folder so when I dragged it into the terminal it read: /Applcations/mlv2dng
The add a space (you may already have a space at the end, in which case, don't worry about adding another) and then drag the .mlv file into the terminal so you now have the path to the .mlv file showing. In the end, it should look something like this:
$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/USERNAME/Download/FILENAME.MLVThen hit Enter. It will rip all the individual, sequenced frames to your user folder. I'm not sure why it doesn't just rip them into the same directory that the .mlv file is in, but for me it put all the frames into the User folder. I was then able to bring them into Photoshop to do my CameraRAW corrections and into AfterEffects, or wherever.
First tests results with the 1920*818 Crop mode, using the Brunonickos build.
Hard to frame the picture in the "crop mode", as the picture displayed is not actually as the same size as the one captured.
It's kinda tricky with such tiny subjects ^^
is there a way to add anything to help me framing in this mode? ???
I'll try the new build tomorrow if the weather is less windy... ;)
Quote from: PressureFM on August 26, 2013, 03:43:47 PM
You need to join the files, they should be called Mxx-xxxx.RAW and any subsequent spanned file should share the same name but end in .RXX.
Files are automatically spanned when you reach the 4 GB limit of the FAT32 file system.
Any hints on joining the files? I am using Rawmagic to turn the Raw files into dng files, on a Mac. I can switch to PC if I must.
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Quote from: JCBEos on August 27, 2013, 03:09:51 AM
Hard to frame the picture in the "crop mode", as the picture displayed is not actually as the same size as the one captured.
It's kinda tricky with such tiny subjects ^^
is there a way to add anything to help me framing in this mode? ???
I'm too confused on "crop-mode"... how does one frame it? what you see in the LV is what you'll get?
QuoteIt was the chip firmware versions.
So the 1050X cards aren't backwards compatible to work in the camera? Highest DMA or bust?
Quote from: 1% on August 27, 2013, 04:28:30 AM
So the 1050X cards aren't backwards compatible to work in the camera? Highest DMA or bust?
Based on their explanation the the newer firmware now used on their 1050x cards was designed to better protect the chips from being corrupted with non usb3 card readers, at the expense of it not being readable to the older 5d2 and 7d camera for firmware, both ML and canon's. In our tests the 5dmkIII was able to use it but the ML was in the SD card. We were not able to try placing ML on the CF itself due to lack of time.
They reverted their 1000x cards to older firmware to make them compatible to canon cameras and ML at the expense of very slight speed difference with the 64 and 32 gigs and that you have to make sure you get the compatible usb 3.0 udma7 readers.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 04:23:36 AM
what you see in the LV is what you'll get?
nope the picture is more cropped on the liveview than in the video that is recorded
I can see it not reading the boot flag fir.. but if the camera can use the space ML should be able to run unless you can't touch the boot sector of the card, which would be bad if say you wanted to run windows on it in an embedded PC; so they probably didn't do that.
Otherwise it can be unreadable to lower UDMA versions and completely incompatible with the cameras or drop back into some lower mode and be painfully slow.
So maybe the cards were bad for the original install but OK otherwise?
Quote from: stevelucky on August 27, 2013, 02:19:27 AM
Go here and download the Mac version in the first post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0
This is a terminal utility that will rip the MLV into individual .DNG frames. All you have to do is open up the terminal and drag the utility into the terminal. The terminal should then show the path of the utility. For example, I put the utility into my Applications folder so when I dragged it into the terminal it read: /Applcations/mlv2dng
The add a space (you may already have a space at the end, in which case, don't worry about adding another) and then drag the .mlv file into the terminal so you now have the path to the .mlv file showing. In the end, it should look something like this:
$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/USERNAME/Download/FILENAME.MLV
Then hit Enter. It will rip all the individual, sequenced frames to your user folder. I'm not sure why it doesn't just rip them into the same directory that the .mlv file is in, but for me it put all the frames into the User folder. I was then able to bring them into Photoshop to do my CameraRAW corrections and into AfterEffects, or wherever.
Can you play this .mlv file in the camera? ..ie.. checking the footage after being shot? I guess I could try it and find out but want to know first :)
Quote from: 1% on August 27, 2013, 04:54:46 AM
I can see it not reading the boot flag fir.. but if the camera can use the space ML should be able to run unless you can't touch the boot sector of the card, which would be bad if say you wanted to run windows on it in an embedded PC; so they probably didn't do that.
Otherwise it can be unreadable to lower UDMA versions and completely incompatible with the cameras or drop back into some lower mode and be painfully slow.
So maybe the cards were bad for the original install but OK otherwise?
We didn't go to that level in our tests. KB techsupport explained to me there is still a much lower level of formatting the cards that they do, it will be raw, I didn't understand it thoroughly.
The cameras are kinda "smart" in a way that even if we changed partitions and allocated different sizes on the cards, the camera's would still format it back to its original capacity.
But does it read in the 7D/5DII/50D just to take photos,etc? And then ultimately is it any faster than a 1000x card (I guess no).
If the camera can use it, ML should boot, unless you're only using a signed binary (ie early EOSM/5DIII,etc)
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I got the chance to test out the updated raw module today. I wanted to try to get some skin tones in a difficult situation and in an easier one. I used a 64GB 1000x Komputerbay card. The first shot is a mid with the subject partially in the sun and the shade. I forgot that I didn't have my VAF on for the first shot, but I put it in for the second one, which is a closeup with the subject evenly exposed. I've been really impressed with the image that has been coming out of the 7D with the raw module.
All the DNGs were processed in Lightroom. I added some sharpness to try and pull out the detail that was there without going overboard. I recovered the highlights as much as I could. I had to adjust the tint back to 0, and I moved the white balance to about 5000 K. Hopefully this is helpful for someone. Major props again to the whole ML team and all the forum members that have contributed to getting the 7D this far. Lets keep pushing!
It should be downloadable if anyone is interested.
Quote from: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 07:00:58 AM
- Using crop mode, I can record (not in silent picture, raw_rec!) around 200 - 300 frames in 2.5k, without glitches and frame corruption beyond the 600px limit, no problem at all![/b]
Excuse me if I sound like a noob..I'm still trying to learn here... I searched and couldn't find any info on how you can record in crop mode in 2.5K?
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 10:58:20 PM
For Komputer Bay CF cards the 1000X 128gig, 64gig, 32gig, they all work with 5DmkII and 7D.
The 1050x 128 gig WIL NOT. This is due to newer firmware on the card controller.
I thought you could load ML from a different card, and then pop one of these in for actual recording? If not, I need to cancel my order a.s.a.p....
Quote from: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 06:51:08 AM
Excuse me if I sound like a noob..I'm still trying to learn here... I searched and couldn't find any info on how you can record in crop mode in 2.5K?
To record in crop mode, you engage live view,
Press the magnify to 5X, (its best to disable 10x in ML menu as for now it freezes cam)
Go to raw video menu and select resolution and aspect ratio.
For now 2512 x 1200 (the highest possible) only gives you less than a hundred frames.
1920 x 1080 = approx 200 frames
1600 x 800 = continuous record
1728 x 724 = continuous record.
Unlike in the 5DmkII where you can have proper framing in crop mode, in the 7D this is not implemented yet, so what you see is a "crop of the 3x" frame that is actually recorded.
In the 5dmkII, you are shown the proper 3X crop framing while in preview, its in grayscale and its low res and not in realtime.
Upon start of record, the image becomes high res, real time BUT its now the canon 5x crop. So you your framing is pretty much up to your imagination while rolling.
Also, since 5DmkII has FPS over ride you can dial in 23.976 while in crop mode to get 24p, on the 7D which does not yet have FPS over ride, crop mode is only 30P.
Hopefully this gets better and gets ported to the 7D as well.
Quote from: dmk on August 27, 2013, 07:40:01 AM
I thought you could load ML from a different card, and then pop one of these in for actual recording? If not, I need to cancel my order a.s.a.p....
Unfortunately, NOT on the 5D mkII or 7D. only on the 5dmkIII. Change it to either 1000x 128 or 64.
@ted rasmasola: thank you!
Quote from: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 07:45:10 AM
@ted rasmasola: thank you!
Your welcome. See you on the 22nd.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 07:41:39 AM
Unfortunately, NOT on the 5D mkII or 7D. only on the 5dmkIII. Change it to either 1000x 128 or 64.
Wow, thanks Ted! Good thing I was able to cancel the order!! :D Going for the 128 1000x and FCR-HS3 Reader
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 07:45:55 AM
Your welcome. See you on the 22nd.
What's on the 22nd? :)
the meet up you signed up to in dallas? :)
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Quote from: JCBEos on August 27, 2013, 03:09:51 AM
First tests results with the 1920*818 Crop mode, using the Brunonickos build.
Hard to frame the picture in the "crop mode", as the picture displayed is not actually as the same size as the one captured.
It's kinda tricky with such tiny subjects ^^
is there a way to add anything to help me framing in this mode? ???
I'll try the new build tomorrow if the weather is less windy... ;)
Here is your solution for framing in crop mode (but only on 2.5K) : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg65223#msg65223
Hi everyone, it's a good time to have a 7d :) with the great progress going on, thank you so much for making raw video a reality. My question is will a KOMPUTERBAY 32GB Professional COMPACT FLASH CARD CF 600X 90MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 6 RAW be fast enough to record 1080 p raw continuous if we can get the 7d up to that speed? How many mb/s is required?
Quote from: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 08:47:50 AM
Hi everyone, it's a good time to have a 7d :) with the great progress going on, thank you so much for making raw video a reality. My question is will a KOMPUTERBAY 32GB Professional COMPACT FLASH CARD CF 600X 90MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 6 RAW be fast enough to record 1080 p raw continuous if we can get the 7d up to that speed? How many mb/s is required?
No. Not even for 1728 x 972. The 1000X is just about what you need.
The 800X which they won't be releasing but I am also testing is not even fast enough.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 08:51:30 AM
No. Not even for 1728 x 972. The 1000X is just about what you need.
The 800X which they won't be releasing but I am also testing is not even fast enough.
Thanks Ted
Once I get the card and up and running I'll probably do my own tests, but in the mean time- maybe someone can resolve a mystery for me...
How does the crop relate to perspective distortion and depth compression? Actually I'm a bit confused how crop-factor relates to that as a whole, but maybe with the double-crop this is a good place to get overall clarity...
In other words, will a 20mm lens on 7D with crop mode (to keep it simple, let's assume it's 3x) feel like:
1) a 20mm would on full frame, just not the entire field of view (i.e. taking a crop of a picture *after* it's taken)
2) a 60mm would on full frame (3x crop applied *before* the picture is "taken")
3) a 92mm would on full frame (3x crop + 1.6 crop factor, applied *before* the picture is "taken")
Again, I'm talking here about perspective distortion and depth compression, not field of view.
Quote from: dmk on August 27, 2013, 09:31:59 AM
1) a 20mm would on full frame, just not the entire field of view (i.e. taking a crop of a picture *after* it's taken)
And please let it stop here. Gone through this one at LuLa forum before and it wasn't funny at all.
Do your own test cropping stills and you will come to a conclusion.
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I read that a minute of raw video is about 4gb which is about 67mb/s is that right?
A 64gb card would record about 16 min. of raw 1080p video.
Quote from: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
I read that a minute of raw video is about 4gb which is about 67mb/s is that right?
A 64gb card would record about 16 min. of raw 1080p video.
approx 15.08 min. or around 21,763 frames. Give or take. This is based on 1728 x 972 resolution 16:9
Quote from: stevelucky on August 27, 2013, 02:19:27 AM
Go here and download the Mac version in the first post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0
This is a terminal utility that will rip the MLV into individual .DNG frames. All you have to do is open up the terminal and drag the utility into the terminal. The terminal should then show the path of the utility. For example, I put the utility into my Applications folder so when I dragged it into the terminal it read: /Applcations/mlv2dng
The add a space (you may already have a space at the end, in which case, don't worry about adding another) and then drag the .mlv file into the terminal so you now have the path to the .mlv file showing. In the end, it should look something like this:
$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/USERNAME/Download/FILENAME.MLV
Then hit Enter. It will rip all the individual, sequenced frames to your user folder. I'm not sure why it doesn't just rip them into the same directory that the .mlv file is in, but for me it put all the frames into the User folder. I was then able to bring them into Photoshop to do my CameraRAW corrections and into AfterEffects, or wherever.
Stevelucky thanks! It works for me! :-)
It's a little weird workflow but it works. I preferred the files .Raw because when you use the Raw2Dng also appears mov file with the recorded video, it is very handy for quick viewing. It could give the option to save files. MLV or. RAW on the camera?
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 09:37:37 AM
And please let it stop here. Gone through this one at LuLa forum before and it wasn't funny at all.
Do your own test cropping stills and you will come to a conclusion.
Ciao
Walter
hehehe... can you point me to that thread or give over the final conclusion/reason? ;D
Conclusion? You know the definition of "discussion" for forum discussions? It is "Deliver written statement. Go ad hominem if not accepted by opponent." And it almost never is.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
approx 15.08 min. or around 21,763 frames. Give or take. This is based on 1728 x 972 resolution 16:9
Wow. I just ordered a 64 gb cf card 1000x. That should get me started.
Ah, think I found it- http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=61222.0
Understood- perspective distortion is a factor of distance to subject only, and so in that sense "lens equivalents" can only be discussed in the context of "subject in frame". i.e. if you want to keep the same exact field of view on a crop sensor while using the same lens as you did on a full-frame, you need to move farther back, and therefore the perspective distortion will be exactly like it would be if you didn't switch cameras at all, but rather moved farther back with the full-frame and switched the lens to telephoto (which will give the same field of view as the original wide lens on the full frame, though different distortion)
I think I get it now, do I? :)
Question- does this apply to depth compression as well?
And if that's right, now I get your answer- since a cropped image is a cropped image no matter how you slice it, this applies with the raw crop as well. If you want the same field of view as uncropped, then you'll need to move further back which means less distortion as though shot on telephoto. If you aren't caring about field of view, then perspective distortion is the same as it would be from that camera-to-subject distance with any lens and any camera.
You may want to verify/falsify this in the field. A short test with stills will do.
Ciao, Walter
PS: Also mentioned in the thread is a perspective distortion only occuring in very short focal lenght lenses. Three-dimensional objects will be stretched near borders of the frame. This is caused by mapping three-dimensional objects to two dimensions by rectilinear projection in non-fisheye lenses. See http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-optics-pro/features/optical-corrections under volume anamorphosis.
Apart from this Feininger has covered the perspective thingy in some of his books. Old stuff, very old stuff. Older than photography.
PPS: This has nothing to do with RAW by ML. Please put further questions into the proper forum.
Thanks! I can't quite test it yet since I only have 1 camera and 1 (prime) lens and no ML, but I look forward to testing it in the future
Resources look great :) Part of the trick I guess is also separating lens distortion from perspective distortion... but anyway, don't want to take this thread too off track. Thanks for the small tangent and pointing me in the right direction... suffice it to say the raw crop is like the same theory as the "crop factor" we're used to, but what that means practically is something else entirely and could use some tests to show how the numbers/images work out exactly.
Hi Guys!
Please help me, I'm a little bit confused.
A week ago, I tried RAW video. Now I want to upgrade it to the latest version. Which files do I have to copy on my CF?
The files from #436 or #444?
Greets
_7D_
Is anyone recording 24p or 25p in 1728 x 972 continuously?
I have a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x CF card that reaches a contiuous write speed of over 80 MB/s in the benchmark. Yet I cannot record continuous 25p in 1728 x 972, which averages at 70 MB/s.
The same card has previously been used to continuously record 25fps 1080p with the 5D Mark III Raw hack. So it can't be the card.
Are there any modules that I might have to switch off? I tried siwtching off the dual_iso.mo and ettr.mo for instance, but no change.
I used these files for installation:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.msg67944#msg67944
And then swapped these files provided by britom:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb
Perhaps someone who is running 1728 x 972 continuously could provide the necessary files. Or perhaps I oversaw something fundamentally.
1600 x 900 is running continuously at 25fps.
Amazing work by the Magic Lantern team and community by the way! Thanks for reviving my long dead 7D.
You switched global draw off and set output to s-jpeg?
Ciao, Walter
The first game are finished !!! 1-0 ML won !!! :o
The second game is still on... don't be late, the clock is tik-tak tik-tak :D
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJqzXLhtFjddERyZkRDQTYyOE93RXhNaHFEaUpYZEE#gid=0
Sorry- new here, what's this and how do I play? ;D
Quote from: dmk on August 27, 2013, 01:35:28 PM
Sorry- new here, what's this and how do I play? ;D
Hi,
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70528#msg70528
...and welcome to the CLUB :D
just discovered a brand sell 1050x cards.
ebay item 400549431921
anyone know ?
Quote from: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
You switched global draw off and set output to s-jpeg?
Ciao, Walter
Still drops a frame after some while :(
Sorry, can't help here. ted?
Ciao, Walter
Hi arrinkiiii,
Where and how do we deposit $ for 1% equipment?
Thanks!!
Quote from: pest01 on August 27, 2013, 03:17:26 PM
Hi arrinkiiii,
Where and how do we deposit $ for 1% equipment?
Thanks!!
Hi pest01,
Send me PM with value :D
Thank you.
Issues I've run into so far:
- No continuous recording in neither 24fps 1728 x 972, nor 25fps 1728 x 972. Switching off global draw and setting output to s-jpg didn't help either.
- 1600 x 900 seems to work continuously with 24fps and 25fps.
- Screen sometimes freezes when jumping into 10x magnification.
- I'm having issues with white lines when attaching an external monitor. These white lines / boxes obscure the image and are pretty annoying. I have no idea how to get rid of them.
Other than that I'm pretty amazed so far. Keep up the good work! :)
Could britom or someone perhaps make the whole folder structure with all the necessary files available for download? Perhaps these issues have something to do with using old files.
EDIT: What did you format your CF cards to? Mine used to be FAT32 and then I tried formatig it to exFAT (as with the Mark III). However in exFAT the card is not recognized by the camera.
Quote from: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 01:47:14 PM
Still drops a frame after some while :(
did you turn on Small Hacks in raw video menu?
I'd still need some concrete proof to see 1050x cards don't read/write on 7D/5DII, etc. However looking up other brands isn't going to help here, I think you're just wasting money. 7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6. So does 50D and 5DII. 5DIII is the only one that currently supports it. Like buying a 90MB/s card for the SD cameras... you won't beat the controller.
Quote from: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 03:45:56 PM
Issues I've run into so far:
- No continuous recording in neither 24fps 1728 x 972, nor 25fps 1728 x 972. Switching off global draw and setting output to s-jpg didn't help either.
- 1600 x 900 seems to work continuously with 24fps and 25fps.
- Screen sometimes freezes when jumping into 10x magnification.
- I'm having issues with white lines when attaching an external monitor. These white lines / boxes obscure the image and are pretty annoying. I have no idea how to get rid of them.
Other than that I'm pretty amazed so far. Keep up the good work! :)
Could britom or someone perhaps make the whole folder structure with all the necessary files available for download? Perhaps these issues have something to do with using old files.
EDIT: What did you format your CF cards to? Mine used to be FAT32 and then I tried formatig it to exFAT (as with the Mark III). However in exFAT the card is not recognized by the camera.
-Did you turn on small hacks?
-with external monitor, use ML grayscale in raw preview to get rid of off centered white rectangle. -in ext monitor its still in color.
Quote from: 1% on August 27, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
I'd still need some concrete proof to see 1050x cards don't read/write on 7D/5DII, etc. However looking up other brands isn't going to help here, I think you're just wasting money. 7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6. So does 50D and 5DII. 5DIII is the only one that currently supports it. Like buying a 90MB/s card for the SD cameras... you won't beat the controller.
I can't do more tests on it as I've my 1050X back already. BUT, a 1200X is on its way and we'll be testing that extensively. -you'd know about that within the week.
Hmm... I am getting a lot of corrupted frames when recording RAW video, crop mode....
Quote from: hbr on August 27, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Hmm... I am getting a lot of corrupted frames when recording RAW video, crop mode....
yeah, its still there. even in 1X.
Another question:
Please let me know if the question was already here. Is it possible to record 1280x720 without cropping the picture? So, I would like to record the same area as the standard video-mode would do.
Greets
_7D_
Quote from: _7D_ on August 27, 2013, 04:53:42 PM
Another question:
Please let me know if the question was already here. Is it possible to record 1280x720 without cropping the picture? So, I would like to record the same area as the standard video-mode would do.
Greets
_7D_
not possible with raw video.
_7D_
Shooting 1280x720 results in cropping into sensor. It will have a crop factor of somewhere near 2x. Basically a white box that serves as your framing lines will shrink inside of LV that shows you how much you're cropping into the image at 1280 x 720. It's certainly not the same as pressing the 5x zoom and recording a 1280x720 image, that would be a crop factor somewhere between 3x and 5x.
The reason we don't record 1280x720 in full-frame is because they skip more than two lines in the sensor readout. There would be so much moire and aliasing the image wouldn't really be appealing. However, from the perspective of cropping your image in camera and simply using the 2x crop sensor space, you'll be able to record a lot more footage than you would at full resolution.
How does the dynamic range in raw mode compare to h.264?
I know that can be a bit subjective, but with like a grey-scale test-chart, what's the ballpark difference?
I found that my 7D has unusual low write speed. Is it possible to multi channelling the EDMAC? Like assign every individual RAW a different EDMAC? But do remember to clean the buffer memory address when moving file away from the buffer.
Quote from: dmk on August 27, 2013, 05:23:22 PM
How does the dynamic range in raw mode compare to h.264?
no tests charts here but this will give you an idea
H264 Cinestyle (flat)
(http://i.cubeupload.com/UbJiR1.jpg)
H264 Cinestyle (S-Curve)
(http://i.cubeupload.com/H29bgt.jpg)
RAW
(http://i.cubeupload.com/5dnJsN.jpg)
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
did you turn on Small Hacks in raw video menu?
Thanks ted, that did the trick. I also found that instead of switching global draw off, it is possible to simply turn off overlays while recording.
This way you can still use histograms etc. while setting up a shot.
However, I'm now getting "Hack error at 0" when starting and stopping the recording. But it doesn't seem to impact anything.
Quote from: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 05:53:48 PM
Thanks ted, that did the trick. I also found that instead of switching global draw off, it is possible to simply turn off overlays while recording.
This way you can still use histograms etc. while setting up a shot.
However, I'm now getting "Hack error at 0" when starting and stopping the recording. But it doesn't seem to impact anything.
Also, since your using an ext monitor,
Do NOT playback or review raw footage when hdmi ext monitor attached as it will freeze the camera. I havent tested on 7D but thats the behavior with 5DmkII.
I just checked the fact, that the 7D will capture more frames, if the picture quality is set to sJPEG instead of RAW. For me, it's true - about 75% more frames. But what's the reason behind it?
Quote from: _7D_ on August 27, 2013, 04:53:42 PM
Another question:
Please let me know if the question was already here. Is it possible to record 1280x720 without cropping the picture? So, I would like to record the same area as the standard video-mode would do.
Greets
_7D_
Same here, I like to shoot at standard video mode in raw as well. I set up my camera: no crop, 1280x514 and 16:9 ratio. I made a sample video on my youtube channel, unlisted, and I stretched the frames to 1280x720. Here the video is:
It looks like standard video mode to me and it is good enough for me. I recorded the video at 8:30pm when the sun is down. I adjusted the raw video to look like a daylight.
I have questions. I made the video above here, and I was followed an instruction and installed on my 7D four days ago. The version did not have live view while record raw video. I managed one of scene has 1,500 frames without stop itself. Now, I install newer version from britom's built (working live view) and notice that my set (no crop, 1280x514 and 16:9 ratio) could not do more than 900 or 1100 frames depends on another options. I tried different setting like small hack, off global draw or etc. Now, I can't get continuous with this setting, but I can't recall if old version that I got continuous message or not. That was me or new version lose some write speed. My card is 16gb extreme 90mbps udma 7 sandisk, and I know 7D can't use udma 7.
How do I delete a video from camera? or have to manual?
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 08:51:30 AM
No. Not even for 1728 x 972. The 1000X is just about what you need.
The 800X which they won't be releasing but I am also testing is not even fast enough.
1% said "7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6"
But I can't find any 1000x cards that are not UDMA7
I have a UDMA7 card shipped to me based on "The 1000X is just about what you need."
Should I send it back?
I am experimenting with 7D raw as well. Do you have the same problems with vertical lines when shooting in low-iso performance?
(http://i.cubeupload.com/cXrUfF.jpg)
Quote from: mfegus on August 27, 2013, 08:00:58 PM
I am experimenting with 7D raw as well. Do you have the same problems with vertical lines when shooting in low-iso performance?
(http://i.cubeupload.com/cXrUfF.jpg)
I've seen this in my experiments with High ISO. Not unusual, the RED ONE does the exact same thing!
I've had the lines issue from the beginning - its present in 2.5k crop mode as well as the full sensor capture (though with the full sensor footage there's also what looks like a downscaling pattern on top) Anyone know what's causing these? I was even getting some extra burned in patches where the lines are stronger - is this just the state of my sensor?
Question for anyone who might know these details:
For some RAW shots I make at different ISO's, when I make the .DNG's using Raw2Dng displays this message while rendering each frame:
"Interlace pattern not supported. ISO Pattern: BdBd"
Funny thing is, the .DNGs are fine and the shots come out normal looking. Odd??? Am I doing something wrong? Are there ISO's we shouldn't use?
Here is the same scene shot under the same light conditions, same iso - just shot with 60D. Almost none stripes there. :)
(http://i.cubeupload.com/zntwmi.jpg)
hey ,
thanks to all helping hands making ml raw video work on the 7d.
after some tests, i took my cam with me on a sailing trip. (this was last thursday, so no real liveview and just 1600x600 conineous recording)
full resolution
http://quenker.de/rawsailing.mp4 (http://quenker.de/rawsailing.mp4)
or vimeo will be up in bout 20 minutes, but less quality
everything was shot handheld with a canon 50mm 1.8, nd fader and the sandisk extreme 60mb/s
grading with davinci resolve lite
cut with premiere pro
now i'm serching for an onset storage solution.
i don't want to buy several 1000x cards, so i thought to buy 2 komputerbay 32gb 1000x cards and one nexto di nd2730.
one card is in the cam the other's transfering the data to the nexto di.
one 32 gb card gives you about 7-8 minutes of recording right?
does anyone have experience with the nexto di?
or do you have other solutions?
greets hun
Quote from: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
1% said "7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6"
But I can't find any 1000x cards that are not UDMA7
I have a UDMA7 card shipped to me based on "The 1000X is just about what you need."
Should I send it back?
7D cannot use up performance of UDMA7, but can use it.
I use the Compact Flash of UDMA7.(Transcend 64GB 1000x)
I do not have any problem at all. :)
Quote from: hunchen on August 27, 2013, 08:32:15 PM
now i'm serching for an onset storage solution.
i don't want to buy several 1000x cards, so i thought to buy 2 komputerbay 32gb 1000x cards and one nexto di nd2730.
one card is in the cam the other's transfering the data to the nexto di.
one 32 gb card gives you about 7-8 minutes of recording right?
does anyone have experience with the nexto di?
or do you have other solutions?
greets hun
If you already have a laptop and maybe a card reader, this portable hard drive might be a cheaper solution?
http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-External-Portable-Silver-Version/dp/B005KT2FYK/ref=pd_cp_pc_2 (http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-External-Portable-Silver-Version/dp/B005KT2FYK/ref=pd_cp_pc_2)
For vertical stripes problem, try disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction in camera (Canon Menu)
@blackjack102 something serious is wrong with your video. When you record in RAW image should be quite noticeably sharper and dynamic range is way to wider.
But remember you need to be working in 16-bit workspace to harnes the power of RAW (because this ML RAW is 14-bit, as Canon RAW pictures)
Quote from: kh3naz on August 27, 2013, 05:50:27 PM
no tests charts here but this will give you an idea
Thanks kh3naz, that does give me an idea!
Quote from: MACKY64 on August 27, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
7D cannot use up performance of UDMA7, but can use it.
I use the Compact Flash of UDMA7.(Transcend 64GB 1000x)
I do not have any problem at all. :)
Thanks MACKY64
Ok that makes sense, how much slower is it on the 7d?
Quote from: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 10:28:10 PM
Thanks MACKY64
Ok that makes sense, how much slower is it on the 7d?
sorry, i don't know it exactly.
However, it is high-speed enough.
In the case of me, the highest write speed is more than 90MB by the benchmark.
Quote from: MACKY64 on August 27, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
sorry, i don't know it exactly.
However, it is high-speed enough.
In the case of me, the highest write speed is more than 90MB by the benchmark.
I was lucky enough to purchase a 5D mk III today and benched the same komputerbay 1000x card. The 7D gave me an average of about 83ish with a peek of about 90. The 5D gives me up to 116.
All values by heart. Not 100% sure about them :P
Yep, 1000x UDMA 7 card will run at UDMA6... thats why I think 10XX cards will work too unless they don't support 6 and drop you to some compatibility mode... its like a hard drive. ATA133 drives still work with ATA66 interfaces at reduced performance... the only thing KB could do is drop the lower "ATA" standard and stick you in something like PIO mode.
Quote from: flofifull on August 27, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
Here is your solution for framing in crop mode (but only on 2.5K) : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg65223#msg65223
Thanks! :D
I missed this post!
figured i'd throw this on here to see what any devs working on the module think:
(http://just.razzi.me/photos/1133886/a94bbfc.jpg)
Sandisk 60mb/s card. I can get about 84 images consistently in 2.5k at 29.97. These two were 82, and 83, at 23.976.
Small hacks off (gave me a hack error?), Sjpeg, global draw off.
I guess that means it's somehow possible to trick it into 23.976 in crop mode, I'm not sure how I did it, but maybe this can some how help someone figure out fps override.
This cinematographed site is a Heritage of UNESCO. It is located near Chennai, India. The place is known as Mamallapuram. It was visualised and created by Pallava Dynasty who ruled Tamil Nadu between 2nd and 9th centure CE. These were sculpted from single stones which were abounding that sea shore area. It was visualised by a Pallava King Mahendra Pallavan. The sculptors drilled, holed and chiseled away unwanted pieces of stone to give such a 'built' appearance. It is a marvel of architechtural workmanship. The intricacies of scarving and sculpting is mind blowing.
Now coming to technical side - Canon 7D camera with RAW ML moduless was used with Tamaron 17-50 2.8 lens. As the tripod was not allowed everything was shot hand held. In this build 'live view' was not enabled. so only blind shooting. NO pan or zoom was possible. Just a 10 or 15 mtes quick shoot.
The post processing of RAW was done in Photo shop CS5.1 converted into TIFF images. Then Premere output. Originally shot in 1472x626 and upscaled to 2K in PS. Out put is 1080P MP4. This is Indian equatorial top light. The process was for Vivid Colours against stony monotone with rich blues, greens and stony reds.
Pl pardon the shaky old-man's hand.
Quote from: hbr on August 27, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
For vertical stripes problem, try disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction in camera (Canon Menu)
@blackjack102 something serious is wrong with your video. When you record in RAW image should be quite noticeably sharper and dynamic range is way to wider.
But remember you need to be working in 16-bit workspace to harnes the power of RAW (because this ML RAW is 14-bit, as Canon RAW pictures)
You are right. I was doing very wrong at post processing like everything setting was off and used very high ISO at that time. I made another sample with 16-bit workspace and got same result like another posts with good samples above. Thank you for the point that was helpful!
Looks like it's going to be another week or two till I get my card reader+card, but in the meantime I'm wondering, how does one know which files to install?
What I mean is- for example, the first post in this thread (by noisyboy) does not contain the info about BrunoNicko's files... without reading this thread start to finish, how would one know where the latest and greatest updates are?
Aside from wanting to play with the shiniest new version, I would think the developers would want feedback with clear indications of which source is being run and to differentiate from new bugs and old bugs...?
Thank you so much for this :)
7D Raw Test:
Quote from: Pelican on August 26, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
I refreshed the ML zip on my site (http://pel.hu/ML/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2.zip) with BrunoNicko's version so EOScards downloads that now with working LV during raw_rec.
If anyone can compile ML 7D regularly and make a complete zip file and upload it somewhere with the same name then I can set up EOScard to use that link.
Cheers from Brazil.
Hey Pelican, forgive me for being a bit slow, but can you please detail what you need exactly and how it differs from the Nightly Builds?
-- obsolete because of pelican's newest info --
+1 for the Hitchiker's Guide reference ;D
Firmware linked on that page is out of date, right?
Is it worth getting community feedback on the solution in discussion?
d'oh, you beat me to it. Also, I feel funny asking this but I promise I can't find the button anywhere- is there a way to get notifications about thread updates? I find myself hitting refresh too often for my dayjob's liking ;)
A couple of issue I have at the moment are manifying the screen to get focus, locks up the image on screen requiring a restart and a flashing bar where the histogram is when shooting. I only get the second problem (flashing) when using my Lexar 64gb 800x
Here's my short contribution to battle of raw. Just some random shots. enjoy.
Quote from: dfgh on August 28, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
A couple of issue I have at the moment are manifying the screen to get focus, locks up the image on screen requiring a restart and a flashing bar where the histogram is when shooting. I only get the second problem (flashing) when using my Lexar 64gb 800x
You probably mean the 10x zoom freezing problem. Try checking the ML menu and disable 10x zoom.
Can't help on the flickering issue. There are more wiser men on forum.
-For those who get the 10x zoom freeze => ML Menu /Prefs tab / LiveView zoom tweaks /Zoom x10, Disable
-For those who have update to the new compilation of britom with the new things/updates from g3gg0, like getting the MLV files in the root of your card (the new raw file from Magic Lantern), just use this http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.msg70548#msg70548 for get the DNG's. Put one folder in the root of your disk with the mlv2dng.exe and your mlv file. Drag and drop (like it is hot) your mlv file in the mlv2dng program.
*Didn't try the version before the last one... but look like this last version is a lot more smooth.
-Flickering issue: For what i read is because the use of the highlight recovery slide and others recovery slides in ACR. I think if you don't use ACR you don't get this... or if you use curves for highlight recovery you can manage to not have flickering issues. Don't remember here i read this, but use the search feature.
I basically managed to work out all the issues. The only thing I'm now left with is the error message and the loud beeping sound when starting a video with small hacks enabled. Is there a way around this?
Great advice about the 10x magnification by the way.
mlv2dng is so hard to use. With another program, I can specify which directory to put the DNG files, click GO, and it will convert by itself, and put different shots into different directory by itself, so I just need to put CF card into the card reader, choose a directory and click GO, then I can stay away from the program. But with mlv2dng, I need to copy all the files in the CF card root directory, deselect some ML files, copy all the files into mlv2dng's directory, drag and drop all the files on mlv2dng.exe(sometimes not working), and sort all all the footages and cut and paste to another directory.
BTW, one time I have got a very large like 600M size .m0 file with .mlv files, which I could not process and know not what it is.
Quote from: mucher on August 28, 2013, 03:49:09 PM
BTW, one time I have got a very large like 600M size .m0 file with .mlv files, which I could not process and know not what it is.
It's spanning files i think. Is wend you reach the 4gb file, the camera start spanning the file in files. You need to get together that files in one file. Exist a tool for that in ML forum.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/camera_wb_multi_page0c99.html?cid=6007-10294
for all the Compact Flash questions related... cheers ;)
We need an MLVanizer for the MLV files!
How are you guys getting MLV files? I'm getting one .raw file and once it exceeds the 4GB it adds additional .rar files. But I'm not getting any MLV files. Which is a good thing I suppose.
These files are easily converted with Rawmagic.
@JCBEos: The numbers are very exact and very close to the performance of my CF 800x, seemingly it is sth to do with the camera, rather than the program. Great tks.
@arrinkiiii: I will rather stay with the older version for now. Thanks. But I also get that "pink" garbage pictures in the image chain, like some others. I suspect that it happens more with higher write speed.
we are trying to arrange funds for us to buy some necessary material for 1% developer can work in the code of 7D camera. He already manage to found the shipment of one 7D camera that ML user MAGIC 7D offer to 1%. Know we just need to buy one card.
For donation you just need to send me a private message with the amount that you want to donate. After you will receive a PM with the paypal account from Magic 7D user.
Any help is welcome. You can follow the the chart here,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJqzXLhtFjddERyZkRDQTYyOE93RXhNaHFEaUpYZEE#gid=0
New Komputerbay 1000x works like a charm! Coninous RAW, no corrupted frames for now. AMAZING! I also did a little stereoscopic test with ML RAW, it looks amazing! ;-)
Quote from: hbr on August 28, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
New Komputerbay 1000x works like a charm! Coninous RAW, no corrupted frames for now. AMAZING! I also did a little stereoscopic test with ML RAW, it looks amazing! ;-)
Hi! What is your Komputerbay card? 16GB, 32GB, 64GB or 128GB ?
Quote from: hbr on August 28, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
New Komputerbay 1000x works like a charm! Coninous RAW, no corrupted frames for now. AMAZING! I also did a little stereoscopic test with ML RAW, it looks amazing! ;-)
What kind of write speeds are you getting?
@wheezl @juanmelchor
It's KomputerBay Professional 32GB 1000x UDMA7 CF
with RAW video 1728x972 it's writing 65-70 MB/s , continuous without breaking a sweat ;-)
Is there a way to hide the information on the top of the screen?
I checked the menu but couldn't find any option for this. Also I couldn't find anything on this board.
The listed information seems more distracting than useful.
Quote from: hbr on August 28, 2013, 05:57:33 PM
@wheezl @juanmelchor
It's KomputerBay Professional 32GB 1000x UDMA7 CF
with RAW video 1728x972 it's writing 65-70 MB/s , continuous without breaking a sweat ;-)
Very cool, have you run the benchmark on it to see what it tops out at there?
@wheezl yes,
In camera ML Benchmark goes about that 60-70 MB/s, in Windows benchmark (USB 3.0) 80-90 MB/s write speed.
In camera ML Benchmark for read is also around 60-70 MB/s, in Windows read speed is around 120 MB/s.
edit with @Leonard tip:
In camera with ML Benchmark wirte speed is 85-91 MB/s, read speed is 100-105 MB/s
Quick tip for getting more realistic benchmark results within the camera: Switch to photo mode and run the benchmark with live view turned off.
Then you should get the correct results.
:) Hi, Greetings to all, I have a question, what is the last compilation and that works best? I'm a little lost.
thank you very much.
Att Jared J.
@Jared
Do this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg63694#msg63694
And then update Modules folder and Autoexec from this build from @brunonicko
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70152#msg70152
MY FIRST RAW VIDEO TEST :)
This made my day:
(http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/media/2013/08/lucylantern1.gif)
To clarify, there are 3 latest builds:
brunonicko's build with liveview freeze workaround
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip
my first build with liveview freeze workaround, some other updates from the bitbucket repo and latest original raw_rec module that outputs RAW format
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
my second build with liveview freeze workaround, some other updates from the bitbucket repo and g3ggo's latest raw_rec module for testing that outputs MLV format (Some people reported higher write speeds with this build)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb
Just select one build you want and download and extract (if you downloaded a zip file) all the files to your CF card
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Thanx Hbr and Britom!!!
try these and see what works for me
Nothing explains better the situation than this animated GIF!
Thanks Britom for this post with the latest builds.
Done some test shoots with my 7D as well:
Quote from: brunonicko on August 28, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Nothing explains better the situation than this animated GIF!
Thanks Britom for this post with the latest builds.
Done some test shoots with my 7D as well:
Nice video, what render resolution setting you use for Vimeo? as is? or 1280x720?
problem with the second build Britom...
after recording everything perfect, but when I turned the camera off, remove the memory to download the files, computer does not recognize the memory. the process must be repeated, format the memory and load the magic lantern again...
any solution about this?
Thanx!
I currently have a 60D which is pretty limited shooting RAW. Is it worth it to pick up a used 7D for 6-700 bucks for RAW now? Or should I wait til the builds are a little less volatile? I'm really on the verge of bartering some music equipment for a BMCC.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on August 28, 2013, 09:37:07 PM
Nice video, what render resolution setting you use for Vimeo? as is? or 1280x720?
Thanks! I upscaled the clips to 1920x816px.
Quote from: britom on August 28, 2013, 08:55:00 PM
brunonicko's build with liveview freeze workaround
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip
This version is available in a full ML zip here: http://pel.hu/ML/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2.zip
(EOScard use this)
If you have a warning about the small hack just turn it off. I've made some modification to make it work but it never went to the main repo, I think.
It's avilable in my repo (Pelican/raw)
Quote from: Abstrak on August 28, 2013, 11:32:30 PM
I currently have a 60D which is pretty limited shooting RAW. Is it worth it to pick up a used 7D for 6-700 bucks for RAW now? Or should I wait til the builds are a little less volatile? I'm really on the verge of bartering some music equipment for a BMCC.
Before the live view was fixed and the vertical resolution was limited to 600 I would have told you to wait but with the latest build I would say yes go for it.
I had very little issue getting it to work, as long as you read carefully how to install it you will be fine.
I will point out some pros and cons as best I can to why you should or shouldn't get one.
PRO
Write speeds reported up to 90mb/s
Dual ISO 14 bit Recording, I can't stress how awesome this is.
Continuous Raw at Native Resolution 1728x972 with fast CF cards.
No moire or aliasing in crop mode.
7D is a very well build and we'll thought out camera in its layout and features.
Still in my opinion one of the best still cameras around if still pics matter to you also.
CON
Dual Processor means its hard to hack, ML builds are always behind other cameras.
No final build of ML, 7D is still very much in alpha.
No 1080p.... Yet crosses fingers.
Occasional pink frames in footage, easy to cut out to be honest.
A few bugs that cause lockup s, annoying but not the end of the world.
No FPS override in crop, yet.
Aliasing and moire in non crop mode is very noticeable when filming patterns.
External monitor support in this build is very broken, don't even plug one in till fixed.
Even though I have listed more cons they are minor issues and the pros really do in my opinion make this camera the second best for raw behind the 5D III, I would say if you could afford the 5D III get that as it's better supported but for cost the 7D is simply amazing for video since raw and dual iso was unlocked.
If you don't care about sound or taking pictures, 50D is probably more in the price range of <600 usd.
When 7D gets "stable" the price will probably go up.
Probably goes like 50D -> 7D -> 6D (image quality +FF!)/5DII ->5d3
While the 50d does seem like a nice option the slower write speeds, smaller native res and lack of audio puts me off, the 6d as well lacks potential from what I've read due to the limited card speeds the slowest of the cameras you mentioned.
I'm assuming that continuous recording is what he wants, if its just short clips then it really would be a different situation.
Speaking of card speeds I could be wrong but isn't the 7D second to only the 5D III, it's the only other camera I think has the potential to do 1080p continuous If that is going to be important to you, although we still don't know if it possible yet.
Well 50D does at least 1920x1038 continuous, sometimes it does the whole thing or more. 6D has all the benefits of FF/newer sensor and iso range and can do 720P easily or you can enlarge whatever your card can do.
I bet 5DIII works over 1080P continuous, its the best but $4k.
7D has a decently sized res and 60P mode. I'm really surprised its not doing 1080P continuous... If you've seen 86 or more MB/s then it should. I think the problem is you're stuck at 30P without FPS override and the native LV is lower than 1080P. I guess FPS + display filters are the top priority and also the hardest.
Actually 50D/5DII/5DIII are the only cameras that can do 1080P continuous this moment. Only 5DIII has any hope of writing raw + audio because of the separate cards.
Thanks Dragon and 1% for the feedback I'll keep and eye on this thread. I seen a 7D body for 425 on craigslist while most other were going for 7-800. So either the owner is hard pressed for cash or the body / electronics is trashed. I may go check it out and see how bad it really is at 400 thats a steal even in a half way decent condition. I may just save up for the 5D3 maybe catch a black friday deal or something.
Now testing the 256gig 1200X on the 7D and 5DmkII, will test with the mkIII tomorrow.
Quote from: 1% on August 29, 2013, 01:30:32 AM
Well 50D does at least 1920x1038 continuous, sometimes it does the whole thing or more. 6D has all the benefits of FF/newer sensor and iso range and can do 720P easily or you can enlarge whatever your card can do.
I bet 5DIII works over 1080P continuous, its the best but $4k.
7D has a decently sized res and 60P mode. I'm really surprised its not doing 1080P continuous... If you've seen 86 or more MB/s then it should. I think the problem is you're stuck at 30P without FPS override and the native LV is lower than 1080P. I guess FPS + display filters are the top priority and also the hardest.
Actually 50D/5DII/5DIII are the only cameras that can do 1080P continuous this moment. Only 5DIII has any hope of writing raw + audio because of the separate cards.
Hi 1%, I'm a little confuse now... Can 7D achieve 1080p? is that full sensor? I thought 1728x972 was the maximum resolution.
Quote from: edwmotion on August 29, 2013, 04:06:14 AM
Hi 1%, I'm a little confuse now... Can 7D achieve 1080p? is that full sensor? I thought 1728x972 was the maximum resolution.
yeah, I was wondering about this too. maybe its power will be unlocked soon? :) maybe in 3x crop.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 29, 2013, 04:08:02 AM
yeah, I was wondering about this too. maybe its power will be unlocked soon? :) maybe in 3x crop.
I'm talking about full sensor maxres.
OK I'm new to this but last night I finally installed alpha2. Downloaded the latest built. Works great a lot to read. Here is my question I know how to convert raw2dng. This morning I downloaded a built that records in .mlv how do u extract those files I looked everwhere I. The forum. Sorry if this question has been asked.
BTW should I just read this thread for the latest built??? Thx guys
Arnikii: Do you have anything to comment on my video at page 23. Raw depth and colours are amazing.
Dear Members, I find in the forum many round about questions. After all film making is with 'light. While imaging there are optical limitations, signalling limitations and processing limitations. I find members want all to be perfected with simple programe lines.
to achieve depth in a frame it is a rule that minimum 3 stop variation of light should be there. 7D raw achieves far more than this so very good depth in colours and scenic light. It is sad that nobody is interested to comment 'photographically'.
while quantizing signals it is necessary that noise should be introduced to bring dynamic levels. Noise is inherent in any imaging. I do not understand why members are die hard to shooot at highest ISO! Definitely it has undesirable noise.
Cinematography is playing with light. But why you struggle to achieve in low light. Use reflectors or natural reflections to perfect lightning. I do not find a single footage with 'lighting'.
Photography again is using light to our advantage. Available light also has to be used to advantage. The light should help the 'emotions' to come out. What best an available light can do unless it is controlled? Most of the available light exposures will just be a 'snap shot' with 'centred' frames. Come on guys - the test makers - use some light and show your real talent.
A shot with 'full resolution' at very 'low light' at ISO 1600 without noise in a 400x card with continuous frames can only be a dream. ML Developers have given wonderful opportunity to expose raw frames and colour correct them like top notch 'cinema cameras. It is a marvel. Put that into right perspective and show your films to the world.
I do not find any problem in 7D build. I tried upscaling upto 4K. with proper sharpness level you can do anything you want cinematographiclly. 5D II or 5D III or 7D - ultimately the result is the matter for the screen. 7D is a fine piece of camera. Giving RAW in it is a blessing. These peoples effort is great and the provision is 'simpler' to anybody. Try anything within the limit then the result will be limitless!! good luck guys!!!
QuoteI thought 1728x972 was the maximum resolution.
Is this the max in 5x? Then who says 50D is lower res?
Says the camera is 2520 x 1200 in zoom mode.
@30p 3x crop mode
2512 x 1200 = 95 frames average
1920 x 1080 = 213 frames average
1472 x 828 = continuous recording
At what max resolution and framerate can the 5D MK3 record continuous both in crop and noncrop ?
anyone ?
FPS was the problem on 50D, you can only 30P the non zoomed size. If that is fixed here you should have 1080P.
Ok...so I did all the set up for raw video. I also put on the cf card brunonicko's build for the liveview. When I tried recording in raw the files saved to the card were as an example M09-0657.raw. After effects would not open the raw file. When I tried photoshop CS6 it gave me a single layer grey image. What should I do here??? PLEASE !!! Cheers!!!
Quote from: 1% on August 29, 2013, 06:27:27 AM
FPS was the problem on 50D, you can only 30P the non zoomed size. If that is fixed here you should have 1080P.
Sweet :D ...it's like butter in the nose of a dog in summer time
Quote from: emmikiruba on August 29, 2013, 04:41:44 AM
Arnikii: Do you have anything to comment on my video at page 23. Raw depth and colours are amazing.
No doubt, very vivid colors :D
Quote from: jman on August 29, 2013, 09:01:40 AMAfter effects would not open the raw file.
RTM!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Quote from: jman on August 29, 2013, 09:01:40 AM
Ok...so I did all the set up for raw video. I also put on the cf card brunonicko's build for the liveview. When I tried recording in raw the files saved to the card were as an example M09-0657.raw. After effects would not open the raw file. When I tried photoshop CS6 it gave me a single layer grey image. What should I do here??? PLEASE !!! Cheers!!!
you need to use a program to transcode the raw file to dng files. i am on a mac, so I used Rawmagic.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0
not sure the PC program to transcode raw files to dng.
Quote from: 1% on August 29, 2013, 06:27:27 AM
FPS was the problem on 50D, you can only 30P the non zoomed size. If that is fixed here you should have 1080P.
That was the conclusion I jumped to also.
I'm sorry if I confused anyone earlier, as of right now 1080p is not available continuous but with the cameras specs it should be theoretically possible in the future when the 7D has had some tinkering and then ONLY with cards that can unlock the cameras true write speed.
Don't expect 1080p raw on your 60mb/s SanDisk as I know a lot of people here have them.
We are about to close the donations, just more a little bit for ending. If you can help us just send me a private message.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJqzXLhtFjddERyZkRDQTYyOE93RXhNaHFEaUpYZEE#gid=0
Leave here something for you guys read while we wait for some Magic happen in ours 7D's
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/08/whats-all-this-raw-hack-business
Curious- is there going to be some sort of LZMA compression which will allow slower cards and/or more storage? Or is that already happening and compression of raw files is basically as good as it's going to get?
Quote from: brunonicko on August 28, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Nothing explains better the situation than this animated GIF!
Thanks Britom for this post with the latest builds.
Done some test shoots with my 7D as well:
Nice! Did you use the "Mosaic VAF-filter"? This is the first 7D raw-video I've seen without aliasing or moire (or maybe its in crop-mode?)
I've been getting this hack error: http://i.imgur.com/nm5KIUd.jpg
Running Britom's latest build that builds .mlv at 1600x680
Also, a frame sometimes purples at the beginning of the clip, (before the first second) but that's been reported before, I guess.
=> the safeguard is working well; all cache hack code should use this approach IMO
Quote from: feureau on August 29, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
I've been getting this hack error: http://i.imgur.com/nm5KIUd.jpg
Running Britom's latest build that builds .mlv at 1600x680
Also, a frame sometimes purples at the beginning of the clip, (before the first second) but that's been reported before, I guess.
Hi feureau, long time no see you, we miss you 8)
For this version you need to disable the hack mode for not show up that warning. Not yet try but i think with britom and g3ggg0 version don't give you pink frame, you get more speed and more smooth on rec. Not yet make extensive tests.
Quote from: Pelican on August 28, 2013, 11:59:28 PM
If you have a warning about the small hack just turn it off. I've made some modification to make it work but it never went to the main repo, I think.
It's avilable in my repo (Pelican/raw)
ok, maybe different error warning
Quote from: a1ex on August 29, 2013, 03:37:17 PM
=> the safeguard is working well; all cache hack code should use this approach IMO
Is just to prevent that something bad happen to the card/camera? Wend the card don't have speed enough?
Hi arrinkiii! Been out for a bit, and came back to this. Awesome development! :D Thanks for putting up that 7D + card thing for 1%
Disabled small hacks, and the hack error went away. I think it may be pelican's fix that didn't get in to the main repo. Someone might want to check that out.
Also, I enabled card warm up, and it seems the purple frame at the beginning of the clip error went away. Can anyone confirm this? (Mine's set at 256MB)
I've looked it up, but couldn't find it...
When you patch Canon code, you have to be sure you are patching the right thing. Otherwise, the side effects can be anywhere from not noticeable to camera exploding. That's why I've added that safeguard.
Quote from: feureau on August 29, 2013, 03:51:22 PM
Hi arrinkiii! Been out for a bit, and came back to this. Awesome development! :D Thanks for putting up that 7D + card thing for 1%
Disabled small hacks, and the hack error went away. I think it may be pelican's fix that didn't get in to the main repo. Someone might want to check that out.
Also, I enabled card warm up, and it seems the purple frame at the beginning of the clip error went away. Can anyone confirm this? (Mine's set at 256MB)
It's nothing my friend, just doing what i should do :) welcome back. Good to know that pink frame and warning have gone.
Will have to fix the timers hack and see if disabling them completely helps any.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 04:17:58 PM
It's nothing my friend, just doing what i should do :) welcome back. Good to know that pink frame and warning have gone.
It's good to be back and testing new stuff. :D
Currently testing hot/dead/stuck pixel. Apparently I have some in my DNGs. Exporting via lightroom eliminates some but there's still hot pixel. Did the sensor cleaning thing to trigger the pixel mapping but it didn't seem to go away. I wonder if raw_rec ignores hot pixel mapping?
I was having the vertical lines issue but Hbr's advice fixed it ( disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction). Now though I'm noticing the hot/dead/stuck pixel thing.
Mainly hot single pixels evident once recovering shadow detail in ACR....is there something in camera that usually filters these out that's being bypassed?
Is anyone else getting this dropped pink frame in their raw video?? If so what is it. Used the 1152 X 648 resolution. Cheers ....John
Not sure if the video above will work. Here is the address.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8j9EtFU2is
Quote from: animotto on August 29, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
Nice! Did you use the "Mosaic VAF-filter"? This is the first 7D raw-video I've seen without aliasing or moire (or maybe its in crop-mode?)
No, I did not use the filter. And it is not in crop mode :)
I was able to remove some of the moire using the "remove chromatic aberration" options in adobe's raw loading interface, but I think that my lens being a little dirty helped too, hehehe
Quote from: brunonicko on August 29, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
No, I did not use the filter. And it is not in crop mode :)
I was able to remove some of the moire using the "remove chromatic aberration" options in adobe's raw loading interface, but I think that my lens being a little dirty helped too, hehehe
Ok :), When I've eventually switched my 60D for the 7D I will try those tricks before buying the filter.
Is it possible for audio being recorded simultaneously in future 7D-ML-versions? or is it the dual card-slots that make that possible on 5Dmark3?
New test , watch in "Original" quality if possible
If somebody want to play with enabling the small hack on 7D then I made a pull request to the main repo...
Quote from: kh3naz on August 29, 2013, 07:58:52 PM
New test , watch in "Original" quality if possible
Very nice... what resolution spec and aspect ratio and fps did you use? crop mode? did you use any moire filter? love those bricks...
Quote from: vnguyen972 on August 29, 2013, 08:16:06 PM
Very nice... what resolution spec and aspect ratio and fps did you use? crop mode? did you use any moire filter? love those bricks...
I'm glad you liked , all crop mode , some shots with burst mode and some with the newest build with the raw module , all in 2520\2512 x 1200 , i did some really zoomed in handheld shots with my IS lens to see what it would look like
@kh3naz
Cool video, raw is amazing
@Pelican
@britom
Im ready, just need the compilation
kh3naz, really nice composition and color there. Looks excellent :)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
Cool video, raw is amazing
Quote from: dmk on August 29, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
kh3naz, really nice composition and color there. Looks excellent :)
Much appreciated , not much interesting to see from my balcony , however 2.5k RAW makes anything pleasant to watch
Quote from: kh3naz on August 29, 2013, 09:02:21 PM
Much appreciated , not much interesting to see from my balcony , however 2.5k RAW makes anything pleasant to watch
lolol... exactly. But the edition, music everything g is good.
Hi errybody!
Could anyone pack the latest working build and modules? I've got raw rec working but would be nice to catch up and see if everything's up date. So much stuff going on here all the time and missing few days at the forum won't help :)
Thanks in advantage.
Cheers.
Hi everybody,
I've been reading this thread for a while, can't tell how amazed I am with all the stuff going on,
now I feel ready to try and unleash the power of our beloved 7D.
One little question regarding external monitoring:
I read some posts saying that it would be ok to use external monitoring, but not being able to playback footage.
Than I read another post warning not to connect anything to the hdmi port.
Can someone help me with this? I really love my electronic viewfinder..
Greetings from Brazil,
Daniel
Quote from: dpmaia on August 29, 2013, 09:21:03 PM
Hi everybody,
I've been reading this thread for a while, can't tell how amazed I am with all the stuff going on,
now I feel ready to try and unleash the power of our beloved 7D.
One little question regarding external monitoring:
I read some posts saying that it would be ok to use external monitoring, but not being able to playback footage.
Than I read another post warning not to connect anything to the hdmi port.
Can someone help me with this? I really love my electronic viewfinder..
Greetings from Brazil,
Daniel
While the external monitor will work I found it to be incredibly unstable, the ML interface would not display correctly and I would get lockups doing things that would not lock up without the monitor, you should be safe trying it as different hardware may have different results just be prepared to reset your camera a lot.
I ended up just removing mine for now because it frustrated me too much.
Quote from: DragonFlame on August 29, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
While the external monitor will work I found it to be incredibly unstable, the ML interface would not display correctly and I would get lockups doing things that would not lock up without the monitor, you should be safe trying it as different hardware may have different results just be prepared to reset your camera a lot.
I ended up just removing mine for now because it frustrated me too much.
Thanks, DragonFlame, hope this issue can be fixed in the future!
im i missing something why are the dng file coming out like this. I'm i using wrong settings?
(http://s21.postimg.org/hbahnyhfb/test.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/tpx9oa8xf/full/)
screen shot on windows (http://postimage.org/app.php)
After some tests: vertical banding is noticeable using new build with MLV. I see no banding using RAW-anizer... But maybe it's just because I didn't have good material to compare. I'll shot something which is 100% comparable tomorrow.
alsey7 what settings are you using, what type of lights are in that room, what ISO you set on ect ect.
The more info we have the better we can help you.
It looks like to me you are trying to take footage in a very dark room at a very high ISO with Dual ISO turned on and its causing a strange vertical pattern as a result.
@alsey7
If you're referring to the vertical lines - try disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction.
Hbr suggested this and it seems to have solved it for me. On the other hand now i'm getting hot pixels in the shadows...
Quote from: jman on August 29, 2013, 09:01:40 AM
Ok...so I did all the set up for raw video. I also put on the cf card brunonicko's build for the liveview. When I tried recording in raw the files saved to the card were as an example M09-0657.raw. After effects would not open the raw file. When I tried photoshop CS6 it gave me a single layer grey image. What should I do here??? PLEASE !!! Cheers!!!
jman .... First convert your raw files to dng using 'rawtodng' for PC.. open dng files in Photoshop
colour correct them. save the preset for future use. apply it on all frames. Save it to Tiff . you can even upgrade to 2k or 4k if necessary. open them as sequences in Premiere. do the edits. the export in formats yu wanted. anyway it is very time consuming but the result should be amazing.!!
Thanks emmikiruba for the advice. That is what I have done. Converted to dng and then into photoshop. Some clips had the pink frame and some did not. I have turned off small hacks and have card warm up set to 256. I have put the ML BrunoNicko build on the cf card also. Is there a build I am missing that provided a fix for the pink frame?? Thanks for the help. Cheers.
Quote from: jman on August 30, 2013, 05:36:32 AM
Thanks emmikiruba for the advice. That is what I have done. Converted to dng and then into photoshop. Some clips had the pink frame and some did not. I have turned off small hacks and have card warm up set to 256. I have put the ML BrunoNicko build on the cf card also. Is there a build I am missing that provided a fix for the pink frame?? Thanks for the help. Cheers.
If this is the same glitchy-magenta frames I've been getting: Your resolution setting is too high for your card. When setting the res, look at the bottom part of ML, if it's showing that the stream is too close to your card speed, it will sometimes cause this glitch. Set it a bit lower. e.g. on one of my slow cards, the write speed is at 50MB/s. I set the resolution that gives me a stream at around 42MB/s-ish
Thank you feureau. The card I am using is a Lexar Pro 32gb 800x. The video I did on page 26 was done at 1152 x 648 29.8 mb/s @ 23.976. The first 2 clips had the glitches and the 3rd one was clean. Should be able to do better with this card I figure. I was told that even at 800x it's only really 633x for the 7d.
Quote from: jman on August 30, 2013, 07:48:10 AM
I was told that even at 800x it's only really 633x for the 7d.
Well, yeah, but don't put it like that. Just measure in MB/s since real-world performance usually don't match manufacturer's declared performance. (this is more of a marketing thing instead of the 7D limitations.
Quote from: Pelican on August 29, 2013, 08:09:29 PM
If somebody want to play with enabling the small hack on 7D then I made a pull request to the main repo...
Anyway, I was trying to compile the new pelican small hacks patch, did a clone to the hudson repo and build the raw_rec.mo but it seems the latest version is still older than the one posted here. Am I doing something wrong or is it just not approved yet? Using the virtualbox VM thingy that was provided.
Quote from: jman on August 30, 2013, 07:48:10 AM
.I was told that even at 800x it's only really 633x for the 7d.
lexar 800x have low write performance,this is why the or cheaper.
Spec:
Max. Read Speed: 120MB/s
Max. Write Speed: 45MB/s
dont aspect to much from this card if you want to shoot raw
regards.
Quote from: feureau on August 30, 2013, 08:05:41 AM
Anyway, I was trying to compile the new pelican small hacks patch, did a clone to the hudson repo and build the raw_rec.mo but it seems the latest version is still older than the one posted here. Am I doing something wrong or is it just not approved yet? Using the virtualbox VM thingy that was provided.
For those that are interested, here is a compiled version g3gg0's repo but with the small hack fixed as per pelican's repo:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
For those that are interested, here is a compiled version g3gg0's repo but with the small hack fixed as per pelican's repo:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
I'm testing it now. Is this meant to fix that hack error that beeps everytime the recording start and stop?
Because its still there.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:08:26 AM
I'm testing it now. Is this meant to fix that hack error that beeps everytime the recording start and stop?
Because its still there.
I'm not getting any errors with small hacks enabled.
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 09:11:14 AM
I'm not getting any errors with small hacks enabled.
After I replaced the files from your zip I even deleted the magic.cfg file and it still shows and beeps.
I'll try to make a new bootable card from eoscard and see.
yup. Hack error message still there.
Made new bootable card via Eoscard, then copy pasted your aug 30 files.
Quote from: szigiszmund on August 30, 2013, 08:30:04 AM
lexar 800x have low write performance,this is why the or cheaper.
Spec:
Max. Read Speed: 120MB/s
Max. Write Speed: 45MB/s
dont aspect to much from this card if you want to shoot raw
regards.
i have 2 Mustang CF 633x Ultra DMA 6 CF cards, got 45MB/s max write speed too
I think I found the problem. My caching software on the server has cached the old zip and not the new zip. I'll get a new link for ya all.
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 09:32:52 AM
I think I found the problem. My caching software on the server has cached the old zip and not the new zip. I'll get a new link for ya all.
so thats why a lot of the modules disappeared as well. :) I thought they were the ones causing the error. ok, I'll test again when you've posted it.
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_2.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
I haven't compiled many of the modules. Tell me what you want compiled and I'll make another version.
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_2.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
I haven't compiled many of the modules. Tell me what you want compiled and I'll make another version.
in the modules tab, raw rec =ok
the rest = OldAPI
is this ok?
hack error message still there and also beeps.
Ok try again, I've also included some of the modules. When I install it, I replace everything on the card with these files:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:13:28 AM
Ok try again, I've also included some of the modules. When I install it, I replace everything on the card with these files:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
requested URL not found.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 10:16:15 AM
requested URL not found.
I'm having a cracker tonight!
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
file manager= oldAPI
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
file manager= oldAPI
What repo has an updated file manager?
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
What repo has an updated file manager?
the 5dmkII perhaps?
You only have to recompile the binary; no source code changes needed.
I guess it is time for v4:
http://nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4.zip (http://nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4.zip)
Is the small hack still producing errors for people?
no more hack errors. But this is MLV already?
Is this stable already?
can I request the devs since 7D is already getting to a level of usability, can we have an option of a minimal interface?
At 1728 x 972 the buffers and other info is practically in the middle of the screen.
Using this version, You can't format the card.
The camera would freeze while "reading ML contents" the led would continue to flicker but you can't make selection on lcd, won't turn off.
Battery will have to be removed to unfreeze.
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 11:03:26 AM
Using this version, You can't format the card.
The camera would freeze while "reading ML contents" the led would continue to flicker but you can't make selection on lcd, won't turn off.
Battery will have to be removed to unfreeze.
I'm able to format. I think some certain files make it unformatable but I'm not 100% sure.
This version has faster write speeds to my card (Sandisk Extreme Pro 60MB/s) Previously I was right around 50MB/s and now I am getting about 54MB/s. The card actually benches higher than it performs saving video I'm not sure if playing with "Buffer Fill Method" would change any of that.
I have Small Hacks on and Warm up of 128MB if that matters to anyone.
EDIT: I am able to go from 1728x736 to 1728x786 23.976p continuous with this build. Yay for tiny victories :)
g3gg0 did the .MLV file change I believe. How the heck do you process this file type.????
I just got the raw file process down and now mlv comes. Are there instructions anywhere on how to process these files?
Quote from: jman on August 30, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
g3gg0 did the .MLV file change I believe. How the heck do you process this file type.????
I just got the raw file process down and now mlv comes. Are there instructions anywhere on how to process these files?
mlv2dng -> search :D
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg59525#msg59525
Whooo! My account finally went through. I've been playing around with the raw module for a week now and I've gotten to where I have pretty good stability in 1728X972 24fps. Here's a low light test I did to check out how much of the shadow I could correct.
Hey guys,
I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!
Thanks!
Quote from: dpmaia on August 30, 2013, 05:23:28 PM
Hey guys,
I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!
Thanks!
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 30, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
mlv2dng -> search :D
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg59525#msg59525
Quote from: dpmaia on August 30, 2013, 05:23:28 PM
Hey guys,
I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!
Thanks!
Put the mlv files and the mlv2dng in the same folder together, then drag and drop.
Quote from: dpmaia on August 30, 2013, 05:23:28 PM
Hey guys,
I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!
Thanks!
I actually documented it out here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70551#msg70551
Quote from: stevelucky on August 30, 2013, 05:50:34 PM
I actually documented it out here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70551#msg70551
Thanks guys, problem solved! @stevelucky, my files are all going to the User folder as well.
Hi, I'm looking to buy a new card to shoot for a web series I'm working on. I want to shoot RAW, but I also don't want to create massive file sizes. It seems like maybe 720p would save me a lot of file space and probably wouldn't make much of a difference since I'm outputting to web. How many minutes of 720p raw would a 64 gig card hold? I assume RAW has a fixed data rate for each resolution, right? If I can't get at least 30 minutes on a 64 GB card, it might not be worth it. It looks like the 128 Komputerbay is a better bang for your buck. Would the lower data rates of the 128 give me the ability to shoot 720p RAW?
Thanks to all the developers who are working on this and arrinkiiii for putting together the donation. I hope my 20 bucks helps! I'd be interested in continuing to find ways to empower the active community of 7d enthusiasts with ways to incentivize developers.
My Latest build:
- Latest fixes (Small hacks, some ettr stuff) from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
- All the modules working including autoexpo.mo
- I'm getting faster speeds compared to my latest build (+3mb/s) using the normal raw_rec that outputs .raw format (Can anyone else confirm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Quote from: sinbinsam on August 30, 2013, 05:50:18 PM
Put the mlv files and the mlv2dng in the same folder together, then drag and drop.
You don't actually have to have the MLV file in the same directory as mlv2dng, you can drag and drop it from anywhere and it will output the DNG files to the same directory that the MLV file is in.
I like to put each MLV in its own folder and then do this so that they are all nice and organized and I don't have to move multiple files.
Quote from: dne202 on August 30, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
Hi, I'm looking to buy a new card to shoot for a web series I'm working on. I want to shoot RAW, but I also don't want to create massive file sizes. It seems like maybe 720p would save me a lot of file space and probably wouldn't make much of a difference since I'm outputting to web. How many minutes of 720p raw would a 64 gig card hold? I assume RAW has a fixed data rate for each resolution, right? If I can't get at least 30 minutes on a 64 GB card, it might not be worth it. It looks like the 128 Komputerbay is a better bang for your buck. Would the lower data rates of the 128 give me the ability to shoot 720p RAW?
Thanks to all the developers who are working on this and arrinkiiii for putting together the donation. I hope my 20 bucks helps! I'd be interested in continuing to find ways to empower the active community of 7d enthusiasts with ways to incentivize developers.
Even 720p RAW will take up a lot of room but not too bad, I'm taking a rough guess you would probably get at least 30 minutes onto a 64gb card at 720p, as for speed even on my 60mb/s SanDisk I can record resolutions above 720p, the 128 Komputerbay is rated higher than that I think so should be fine.
Quote from: britom on August 30, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
My Latest build:
- Latest fixes (Small hacks, some ettr stuff) from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
- All the modules working including autoexpo.mo
- I'm getting faster speeds compared to my latest build (+3mb/s) using the normal raw_rec that outputs .raw format (Can anyone else confirm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
@britom
It works very fine !
write speed 71MB/s !! (Global Draw OFF)
Thanks.
With this new build ML7D.....do I have to reformat or just drag and drop the files onto the card??? Thanks!!!
Quote from: britom on August 30, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
My Latest build:
- Latest fixes (Small hacks, some ettr stuff) from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
- All the modules working including autoexpo.mo
- I'm getting faster speeds compared to my latest build (+3mb/s) using the normal raw_rec that outputs .raw format (Can anyone else confirm?)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
I can confirm that this is +3MB/s faster than the previous .raw recording version. But the one nick posted several posts before records to the new .mlv format and that is about +20MB/s faster than this version on my cards.
Btw, how do you people get your sources? I mean, you're both compiling a new version with small hacks on but you each get two different versions. And I can't seem to compile the one I just cloned from hudson.
What's going on here? Too many forks?
@Britom
New build seems to work great! Using Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card, the first bar when recording RAW barely flickers. I prefer the RAW instead of MLV (for now) because of one too many steps.
My card speed improved slightly, but continues to be very good.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/rrpahf.jpg)
For ACR users: I'm not seeing any of the "flickering issues" that others report when using the Highlights Recovery slider. I'm going to update my DaVinci Resolve and test my footage using it. So far I've used 2 methods of conversion to AVI: 1. ACR grading then to AE render to Cineform 444 1080p23.976 and 2. Cineform converter to 444 1080p23.976 and grading using Metadata thru GoPro Cineform Studio Premium. So far #1 produces better results in a shorter timeframe.
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Quote from: chroma on August 30, 2013, 07:57:23 PM
@Britom
New build seems to work great! Using Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card, the first bar when recording RAW barely flickers. I prefer the RAW instead of MLV (for now) because of one too many steps.
My card speed improved slightly, but continues to be very good.
I am using the same 64GB 1000x Card and bitrom's new build and my write speeds are significantly slower.
Do you think I got a crap card or does this have to do with different versions of the 7d I bought mine new in 2009.
Other possibility: I'm doing it wrong.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2rr6hhz.jpg)
Thanks for helping!
Quote from: feureau on August 30, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
I can confirm that this is +3MB/s faster than the previous .raw recording version. But the one nick posted several posts before records to the new .mlv format and that is about +20MB/s faster than this version on my cards.
Btw, how do you people get your sources? I mean, you're both compiling a new version with small hacks on but you each get two different versions. And I can't seem to compile the one I just cloned from hudson.
What's going on here? Too many forks?
I have not tested latest Nick's build yet. I've compiled my builds from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ on VM Virtualbox xubuntu using latest gcc-arm 4.7.4. I think is a good idea to have as many builds compiled on as many computers as possible so we can test and know wich configurations and compilers give the best results. And we can have something to play with until some developer give us a hand :)
Quote from: slink on August 30, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
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I am using the same 64GB 1000x Card and bitrom's new build and my write speeds are significantly slower.
Do you think I got a crap card or does this have to do with different versions of the 7d I bought mine new in 2009.
Other possibility: I'm doing it wrong.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2rr6hhz.jpg)
Thanks for helping!
Not sure if this is the due to the 7D manufacturing versions, but I have the 2009 version and britom's .raw version is a LOT slower than nick's mlv version. On britom's raw I'm getting 35mb/s on a sandisk 60mb/s card. On nick's version I'm hitting 55mb/s with a sandisk 60mb/s card.
Quote from: britom on August 30, 2013, 08:43:22 PM
I have not tested latest Nick's build yet. I've compiled my builds from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ on VM Virtualbox xubuntu using latest gcc-arm 4.7.4. I think is a good idea to have as many builds compiled on as many computers as possible so we can test and know wich configurations and compilers give the best results. And we can have something to play with until some developer give us a hand :)
Yeah, I think it's a good idea too. Although I think we need to make a list of source and build dates too. It's getting confusing to catch up with all the builds. :D
Also, can you confirm that the gcc-arm is 4.7.4 and not 4.7.3? Is this the one that comes in the VM or did you update that? (mine's 4.7.3) I tried compiling the 7D.203 platform and it fails to compile. How did you compile? raw_rec compiles though, I'm getting the same raw_rec.mo with yours though.
I wonder where nick got that .mlv version?
Very good speeds with britom aug 30 build !
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1170959_365454433585347_1051779285_n.jpg)
Quote from: slink on August 30, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
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I am using the same 64GB 1000x Card and bitrom's new build and my write speeds are significantly slower.
Do you think I got a crap card or does this have to do with different versions of the 7d I bought mine new in 2009.
Other possibility: I'm doing it wrong.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2rr6hhz.jpg)
Thanks for helping!
@Slink
I had the same problem at first--My speeds looked similar. When the camera is in MOVIE Mode or PHOTO mode, speeds are WAY SLOWER.
Try this:
Turn Global Draw OFF.
Don't load MODULES
Switch to PHOTO mode on 7D.
Press the INFO Button until the screen is blank,
Go into ML and Run the Benchmark.
On your Benchmark Info Screen, Near the top it should now say MODE: playback, Global Draw OFF.
Hope this helps.
I'm getting 1.2mb/s slower speeds with nick's build, but i'm using an slow transcend 400x. My 7d is from 2009 too.
@feureau
Yes we need to organize our builds so i've started this thread and i'll update it from time to time. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
I've updated gcc-arm to version 4.7.4, but i dont know to wich level it affects the building process.
I've compiled my latest build from the hudson repository https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/. This repository has the normal raw_rec module that outputs .raw format.
Some compilation problems have been fixed within the code so the only thing you need to touch are probably the lines 24 and 25 in makefile.user.default to specify the right path to your gcc-arm
GCC_VERSION=-4.7.3
ARM_PATH=~/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_7-2013q2
Instead if you want you can compile like nick did from the g3gg0 repository that has the new raw_rec that outputs .mlv format https://bitbucket.org/g3gg0/magic-lantern
Thanks! I'll look into it!
Thanks for making the new thread to organize this and all, but that means that's one more thread one should be following to follow the growth of the 7D ML. Couldn't we just put the build updates in the first post instead?
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
Very good speeds with britom aug 30 build !
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1170959_365454433585347_1051779285_n.jpg)
Can you please tell me where this file is saved to when you do the benchmark so I may save it as a photo. Cheers John
Never mind...got it.
Just tried "nick" version and I see a pink frame in the MLV file... what caused the pink frame?
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/johnman_01/TEST_zpse6f044d1.png) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/johnman_01/media/TEST_zpse6f044d1.png.html)
Lexar Pro 800x card....pretty sad
Can anyone suggest a BETTER card please !!!! Cheers John
Tested with the nik v4 build aug 30......mlv works well with the converter
Shot a lot of footage today using britom's latest build and the 5.6" TV Logic attached. No problems at all with the external monitoring, just perfect. ;)
Quote from: DragonFlame on August 30, 2013, 07:08:15 PM
Even 720p RAW will take up a lot of room but not too bad, I'm taking a rough guess you would probably get at least 30 minutes onto a 64gb card at 720p, as for speed even on my 60mb/s SanDisk I can record resolutions above 720p, the 128 Komputerbay is rated higher than that I think so should be fine.
Thanks, DragonFlame! I was wondering, if I get the 128 1000X from Komputerbay, will I never get the data rates to be able to record 1080 at 23.98? I'm happy to shoot 720p now, but would love to future proof this purchase if possible.
Thanks for getting back to me.
I wouldn't count on the 128GB 1000X achieving full HD. I've got a Canon 50D and I was barely able to record 1582x894 continuously (purchased 2 and both had same issue). However, the 64GB 1000X will continuously record 1920 x 1023 on the Canon 50D. That happens to be the fastest the camera can write. Rest assure the 64 GB 1000X can record Full HD. Remember though that you will be recording Full HD on a 3x crop mode. That and you're only going to record about 12 - 14 minutes at most. Realistically there aren't that many card options in terms of cost, availability, and speed. That's exactly why the 64GB 1000x is future proof. Just plan on purchasing multiple cards to suffice for the limited recording time.
I agree with levisdavis, while the 128gb would be fine for 720p you won't get close to 1080p because of the write issues.
I also agree with his suggestion to buy multiple card but I will elaborate more, it's almost always better to buy a lot of smaller cards over one large card, the reasons being that it ends up being cheaper in most cases, if a card fails you have backups compared to not having any card if you only had one, while your transferring data of one card you can be recording with another which is really important if your doing many hours of filming which It sounds like you might be doing, the only time I could see it worth buying such a large card is if you have to do one long nonstop 30 minute shot.
As for cards that can do 1080p I've heard many conflicting reports on the matter, it really is impossible to tell just which cards are best until the FPS override has been implemented.
The best cards I've seen so far reported though are the Lexar 1000x cards managing to hit around 90mb/s but maybe someone who has one can back that up.
For a guide on how the the komputerbay cards perform using the Aug 30 build.
Cards used;
800X (Not Sold, for test reference only)
1000X
1200X (256 not supported by 7D, formatted as 128gig)
Shown will be the 32, 64, 128 and 256 gig cards. Will include a Lexar 32gig 1000x for reference.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1175045_365561386907985_1510128459_n.jpg)
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I have a question. Will the 128gig 1050x card work on the 7D right now? I got a music video shoot next weekend and wanted to use my 7D as a B-cam.. we're shooting with the 5d3 btw.. will post it here when it's finished :D. Thanks!
Quote from: tonybeccar on August 31, 2013, 03:27:58 AM
I have a question. Will the 128gig 1050x card work on the 7D right now? I got a music video shoot next weekend and wanted to use my 7D as a B-cam.. we're shooting with the 5d3 btw.. will post it here when it's finished :D. Thanks!
NO. It won't work with ML on the 7D and the mkII.
The 1050X, will work with the 5DmkIII.
In our test, ML was running on the SD card.
The camera will recognize the card and capacity and you can record h264 and Raw cr2 STILLs
but not Magic lantern firmware.
Aww!! Hehe.. thanks for the answer man!! I got confused when they benchmarked the 1200x but you made it pretty cleared.. will try to get one 1000x.. cheers!
Quote from: tonybeccar on August 31, 2013, 03:56:28 AM
Aww!! Hehe.. thanks for the answer man!! I got confused when they benchmarked the 1200x but you made it pretty cleared.. will try to get one 1000x.. cheers!
Yes. Your best bet would be a 1000X. And if you have to ask me which, I'd personally recommend the 64gig.
QuoteThe camera will recognize the card and capacity and you can record h264 and Raw cr2 STILLs
but not Magic lantern firmware.
But the 1200X worked? So tell me how it won't load an autoexec.bin from the card?
QuoteYour best bet would be a 1000X. And if you have to ask me which, I'd personally recommend the 64gig.
This! Save your money, buy a bunch of 1000x 64s. Larger/faster cards are more expensive and you gain nothing (and may lose write speed).
Quote from: 1% on August 31, 2013, 04:12:02 AM
But the 1200X worked? So tell me how it won't load an autoexec.bin from the card?
For the 1050x the camera just can't see .fir files.
Weather it's canon .fir or magic lantern .fir.
Even when the camera is already bootflaged with another card and you make the 1050x bootable via EOScard, the camera can't see the autoexec.bin file.
For those people who want to process mlv files on a mac, I have created a gui wrapper for the mlv2dng program:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/mlv2dng.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/mlv2dng.zip)
@Britom: I think that I owe you at least a test. Your latest build, have to say, didn't bump the resolution one stop higher, but surely is one step towards stability. Thanks.
BTW, I keep only raw_rec.mo module only in the modules directory, that seems a little more stable.
Hello guys
I've modified the Crop bitmap created to shoot at 2.5k by adding a red rectangle to frame in 1920*818 (crop mode 2.35)
if you want to DL it:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iw9644aul8tsukt/1920_818.BMP
:-*
btw as usual sorry for my english...
Thanks JCBEos :D
Btw, what do all y'all use in the buffer fill method and CF-only buffers?
I find my fastest combination is with buffer fill method 3 and CF-only buffer 8.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on August 31, 2013, 07:48:59 PM
Thanks JCBEos :D
compared to the job that is done here, that's nothing... really
btw you're welcome!;D
Quote from: feureau on August 31, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Btw, what do all y'all use in the buffer fill method and CF-only buffers?
I find my fastest combination is with buffer fill method 3 and CF-only buffer 8.
The best fill methods for me have been 2 and 4. 2 seems slightly better but that could just be my imagination. I haven't done any testing where I've isolated the CF-Only buffers and actually properly tested it.
I'm still hesitant to try the MLV version vs the RAW version of 7D builds.
Those who tried it, does it offer higher resolution over the raw version in 1x and in crop mode?
currently with britom's aug 30 build were still at 1728 x 972 in 1X.
Are the app for converting mlv backwards compatible with raw files we might already be on archive?
I've been a silent observer up until this point but thought I would speak up. :)
I just tried out Britom's Aug 30 build on about 15 short videos today (1152 x 576 on a Kingston 16gb 133x =~9sec) and virtually all my videos have at least one pink-glitch frame. This never happened when I ran the same res with BrunoNicko's Aug 26 build.
I'm really liking the MLV format versus RAW. MLV keeps the video's ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc. whereas RAW has nothing (unless I'm missing something?).
Nice work though! I can't begin to tell you how excited I get when new versions of the raw_rec come out.
Cheers!
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 01, 2013, 02:52:51 AM
Those who tried it, does it offer higher resolution over the raw version in 1x and in crop mode?
Are the app for converting mlv backwards compatible with raw files we might already be on archive?
Same resolution pretty much. You still get the same stream and the resulting DNG. But one thing for sure, you get faster write speeds with MLV, letting you record higher resolution with the same card.
for the second part: I think you accidentally a sentence.
Quote from: ulysnep on September 01, 2013, 05:23:01 AM
I've been a silent observer up until this point but thought I would speak up. :)
I just tried out Britom's Aug 30 build on about 15 short videos today (1152 x 576 on a Kingston 16gb 133x =~9sec) and virtually all my videos have at least one pink-glitch frame. This never happened when I ran the same res with BrunoNicko's Aug 26 build.
I'm really liking the MLV format versus RAW. MLV keeps the video's ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc. whereas RAW has nothing (unless I'm missing something?).
Nice work though! I can't begin to tell you how excited I get when new versions of the raw_rec come out.
Cheers!
The RAW version of raw_rec writes a LOT slower than the new MLV version. If you're getting pink, it's because the camera can't write to the card as fast. Hence you're not getting pink in the MLV version. Either you upgrade to a fast card or switch to the MLV version.
Quote from: feureau on September 01, 2013, 06:09:41 AM
The RAW version of raw_rec writes a LOT slower than the new MLV version. If you're getting pink, it's because the camera can't write to the card as fast. Hence you're not getting pink in the MLV version. Either you upgrade to a fast card or switch to the MLV version.
Indeed... and the workflow is the same raw2dng <=> mlv2dng Sooner or later we all going to change... embrace the future :)
When shooting video is it better to shoot with global draw on or off ? Using MLV build.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 01, 2013, 02:52:51 AM
I'm still hesitant to try the MLV version vs the RAW version of 7D builds.
Those who tried it, does it offer higher resolution over the raw version in 1x and in crop mode?
On my Sandisk Extreme Pro 16GB (60MB/s) I get over 3MB/s more. This works out to a bump to 2.20 from 2.35 for me in 1x. It would be interesting to see how it works with the Komputerbay cards you have.
Using mlv2dng is easy enough as well.
what about spanned files of more than 4gig? Whats the best method or is there a developed app like rawanizer for the PC that will handle 4gig + files?
Once I'm convinced to try it now than later I'll test how the KomputerBay Cards on how they handle with MLV.
I'm not sure if i'm missing something very obvious but which build is the MLV build? I'm currently running the ml_britom_30_aug build.
Is the MLV the nick_g3ggo build? Thanks.
Quote from: _iLiam on September 01, 2013, 01:23:53 PM
I'm not sure if i'm missing something very obvious but which build is the MLV build? I'm currently running the ml_britom_30_aug build.
Is the MLV the nick_g3ggo build? Thanks.
Yes
Where do you compile the raw_rec module? To get started, I ran make from the main hudson repository and it builds everything fine. G3gg0's failed for me but then I tried limiting it to "make 7D" and it compiled too.
But now I go into the modules directory on either repository, and make does nothing.
Running make from the modules/raw_rec directory fails for me the same reason from both- "/usr/include/features.h:324:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory"
I guess I could start fiddling with the Makefile's, but that can't be right, I'm probably missing some basic step...
Using the newest toolchain on ubuntu 12.04 vm 64bit with libc6-i386 installed, in case that matters
OK guys got a question. Well two question
First in burst mode is there anyway to just capture a certain resolution like cinascope or 720p in the ml setting or do ijust gave to change in post aka adobe AE.
Wyy is raw record doesnt capture same quality like burst mode. Or is raw rec some hack and not aame quality like 5dm2 or other canon.
Thx guys i know 7d is behind in development
Well its not 100% complete but here is MLV + my raw_rec... Missing delete last video so far but the menu is a bit cluttered.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/src/e31654dc276bc4354d3e1c00d37d0170c31adcb6/modules/mlv_rec?at=unified
I think it should run on 7D/50D/5DIII/II, etc. I didn't fix the cf card hardcoding yet.
Verdict: 1-2MB slower, IME base needs to not have a menu item.
Quote from: 1% on September 02, 2013, 02:18:27 AM
Well its not 100% complete but here is MLV + my raw_rec... Missing delete last video so far but the menu is a bit cluttered.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/src/e31654dc276bc4354d3e1c00d37d0170c31adcb6/modules/mlv_rec?at=unified
I think it should run on 7D/50D/5DIII/II, etc. I didn't fix the cf card hardcoding yet.
Verdict: 1-2MB slower, IME base needs to not have a menu item.
Thx so I just download it and install in on my current ml built?
Yea, I posted a compiled one, if it used MLV before then this should run. Does the cache hack work?
:D Thanks a lot 1%, it's looking good, i'm about to test it.
I've posted a build with your modules here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 01, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
what about spanned files of more than 4gig? Whats the best method or is there a developed app like rawanizer for the PC that will handle 4gig + files?
Once I'm convinced to try it now than later I'll test how the KomputerBay Cards on how they handle with MLV.
The camera automatically creates new file when it hits 4 gig. If you make a long recording, it will result in multiple files. You just drag the first .mlv file to the mlv2dng thingy.
Quote from: feureau on September 02, 2013, 05:36:49 AM
The camera automatically creates new file when it hits 4 gig. If you make a long recording, it will result in multiple files. You just drag the first .mlv file to the mlv2dng thingy.
Thanks feureau. I think I might give it a go this week. Hopefully the 5D2 will also be ported with mlv. or is it already?
For now I use rawanizer to process footage from both 5d2 and 7d. It would be a pain to use different process for each camera.
I like the progress being made on the 7D now, and the priority I see in the 7D developement should be;
--FPS over ride. ( so crop mode can increase in resolution by using 24fps, )
--Porting the proper framing preview in crop mode being used in 5d2.
(but this also need improvement even on the 5d2, proper framing should be maintained during recording to make this really useful)
--Interface options so we can choose to remove some info cluttering the frame while recording.
--with faster benchmark speeds, hopefully higher resolutions above 1728 x 972 in 1X mode will be possible.
Hopefully with more devs jumping on the 7d work things are now expedited.
Good job and good luck developers!
Quote from: 1% on September 02, 2013, 03:35:50 AM
Yea, I posted a compiled one, if it used MLV before then this should run. Does the cache hack work?
You mean the small hacks? I don't see any difference though.
On my sandisk 60mb/s - I can get 55mb/s out of g3gg0's raw_rec.mo, while the build posted by britom clocks in at 50mb/s
On g3gg0's, I'm using buffer fill method 3 and CF-only buffers 8. (buffer fill method seems to be missing on your build)
Buffer fill is there, I thought CF only is for splitting CF/SD
Quote from: 1% on September 02, 2013, 06:43:49 AM
Buffer fill is there, I thought CF only is for splitting CF/SD
Sorry I got that mixed up. Buffer fill is there. It's the CF only buffer that is missing.
Not sure what CF-only is for, but on one of my previous tests, increasing that seems to make it write faster, but it slowed down significantly at CF only 9.
I just did a quick test, and it doesn't seem to effect anything on g3gg0's latest from nick.
I decided to use 30/08/2013 britom's build with raw files and went to an anime convention next day! I used 1280x514, 16:9 and small hacks to make this video. I don't use card warm-up, and the build can push up to 1600 frames. I surprised to find fewer pink corrupted files than previous builds. Some scenes did not generate any corrupted files. I faced two problems.
First, I tried to use upsidedown setting on my monitor, so I can upsidedown my camera and shoot. I noticed that live view was chopped and hoped it doesn't affect the scene video. When I went to home, I discovered that the scene was affected by upsidedown setting. The scene generated 200 pink corrupted out of 600 frames. I should do the test before I go.
Second problem, I turned off global draw and did not know that my memory was about to full. I stopped recording scene and found that my camera was so busy to write for while that I had to wait cosplayer for next scene. After writing, I started the next record, and I turned off/on camera after the instance and found the message: "full memory". I swapped memory cards. At my computer, I discovered that the next scene did not record at all.
Everything is experiment to me! I am so amazed to see the build did not use a lot energy from battery; in fact, my 7D wrote 22 GB of raw files and used ONE bar of battery. If I use canon's standard video process, I am sure my battery will dead at end of day. I am sure my video can improve more but am doing it as hobby. I am happy with the result.
Great find about upside down vs pink frames (I was looking for a way to reproduce them)
On the britom_1% build 1728x786 (2.20:1) is working quite well and 1728x864 (2:1) seems to push the card all the way to 57.5MB/s at peak with the mlv_rec module. After giving that a go ML seems to think my card is good for 57.3MB/s using whatever math is does (avg?) from the last run. Trying 1728x934(1.85:1) *appears* to push the card to 58.2 MB/s but I don't really know how accurate the numbers are during recording.
Because of issues I am having loading all of the modules I only have the ime_* modules and mlv_rec loaded at the moment.
It may be interesting to note that loading the file manager module later seemed to impact write speed for some reason. Obviously this is just me eyeballing it and not a proper test but I routinely get 55-58MB/sec with it off and 50-55MB/sec with it on. It might be nothing since obviously I am not doing scientific testing. I'll see in a bit if it affects anything in playback benchmark.
Sandisk Extreme Pro 16GB (60MB/s)
128MB warmup (Not sure this matters)
Buffer Fill Method: 4
Ditto, about the pink frames, now I want to try upside down on cameras that support it and see if it makes things worse.
On 50D it takes ~3 recordings to get up to 80Mb/s. The numbers should be mostly accurate. You can also compare between, ie, run a normal raw module and compare to MLV.
Quotewith faster benchmark speeds, hopefully higher resolutions above 1728 x 972 in 1X mode will be possible.
In 1x its probably not going to get any bigger... but a CF camera should record 1x no sweat.
Priority is FPS + display filters to get it up to speed with the rest of the ML stuff. I think only EOSM is missing display filters because of the sync and 7D because of ? (dual digic or sync?) Still waiting on camera in hand tho. First first thing will be to check edmacs/reslock if you're still getting pink frames.
Quote from: dmk on September 01, 2013, 04:29:12 PM
Running make from the modules/raw_rec directory fails for me the same reason from both- "/usr/include/features.h:324:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory"
Using the newest toolchain on ubuntu 12.04 vm 64bit with libc6-i386 installed, in case that matters
So it was a 64-bit vs. 32-bit issue, running
sudo apt-get install libc6-dev-i386 fixed it to work on the main hudson branch
Ran into another issue with 64v32bit on g3gg0's repository in the lzma stuff though, I think I'll just fire up a 32-bit VM to make life more predictable.
Noting this here in case it helps anyone else...
@ 1%
Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but why will the 7D never make it to 1920x1080 at 1x? You said:
'In 1x its probably not going to get any bigger... but a CF camera should record 1x no sweat.'
How do you mean 'a CF camera'?
Thanks!
@thoma
Because the sensor size in pixels is 5,184 × 3,456
In 1x non crop mode the procesor does line skipping using 1 line every 3 lines (it's designed like this so the camera can supposedly output 1920x1080 h264 video without a lot of processing power)
In 5x cropped mode the processor takes a small part of the sensor without line skipping, therefore is possible to record at a higher resolution but not with the whole sensor (2512x1200)
Just divide 5184/3=1728 (max horizontal resolution in non cropped mode).
Now this comunity has acheived unbeliable things, so it's ok to dream that this barrier can be overcome.
I think he was referring to the possibility of 1728x1156 in 1x no? Possibly useful for anamorphic etc...
EDIT: I actually went back and read that properly... never mind me :)
It can't even record full 1080P H264.... that YUV size in the debug menu is what its upscaled from... let me guess, close to or smaller than 1728.
The best/most realistic thing would probably be to add line skipping to 5x mode so that its not so cropped. I.e, instead of 3 do 2. I guess we'll see what comes from the ADTG gui/thread.
Quote1728x1156
So a 1000x card can't handle 1156 or close to it like 1038?
It claims a 79.9MB/s for 1728x1156 @ 23.976. I'd be interested to see @ted ramasola test with the latest builds on the cards he has.
@1% Wow, you mean 1056x704!?!? i thought it was atleast 1500xsomething upscaled to 1080p :/
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/0/AAB-natxhh1M56YH8_pASkF0T_RV5wC3Sz23sV1DBhAwRA/12/43043701/jpeg/1024x768/3/1378152000/0/2/VRAM1.BMP/JH23S-6XVyedhRRTJI0Ez5jwNheNGa1rPPZjfG1qP_E)
Talking about the 5x cropped mode, doing line skipping every 2 lines means we can cover the equivalent area of 5024x2400 or 5024x1200 pixels (the full sensor is 5184x3456) but still recording as 2512x1200. Am i right?
Quote from: britom on September 02, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
@1% Wow, you mean 1056x704!?!? i thought it was atleast 1500xsomething upscaled to 1080p :/
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/0/AAB-natxhh1M56YH8_pASkF0T_RV5wC3Sz23sV1DBhAwRA/12/43043701/jpeg/1024x768/3/1378152000/0/2/VRAM1.BMP/JH23S-6XVyedhRRTJI0Ez5jwNheNGa1rPPZjfG1qP_E)
Hmm.. I'm seeing 720x480, 720x480 on my Image buffers in the Debug menu. Is there some settings that effects this?
EDIT: If there's some settings that effects the YUV buffer thingy, any chance of increasing that and getting higher-res h.264s?
@ 1%
Ahhhhhh....it's so (deceptively) simple. Is that also why you always hear that the 1920 H.264 files are only really resolving ≤ ~1k horizontal lines? Because the final output is simply an upscaling of the line skipped video feed?
Somewhat related - I'm assuming that magic lantern is grabbing the raw feed after the line skipping/binning process and the possibility of getting further upstream and doing a cleaner downsample is not possible right?
thanks again
Please i don't find modules on my 7d
:-[
Quote1056x704
Thats a zoom window or idle size. This blows up to the input size when recording.
720x480 is the LV yuv for the LCD.
Its like mm1 -> yuv - > h264. the camera can do a couple YUV buffers at once in diff sizes
Quote from: 1% on September 03, 2013, 04:10:36 AM
Thats a zoom window or idle size. This blows up to the input size when recording.
720x480 is the LV yuv for the LCD.
Its like mm1 -> yuv - > h264. the camera can do a couple YUV buffers at once in diff sizes
Has anyone tried investigating/experimenting with changing YUV sizes for the h.264? (and maybe get a hi-res 2.64?)
The H264 hardware encoder will only output the sizes it has. You can maybe feed it something else at best.
Quote from: 1% on September 03, 2013, 04:50:56 AM
The H264 hardware encoder will only output the sizes it has. You can maybe feed it something else at best.
Would feeding it the liveview raw feed let it encode something un-upscaled? That would yield a 1080p H.264 that is ML-Raw-like in terms of resolution...
Basically eliminating that softness in the H.264 video that people have been complaining about...
Can it be done via modules?
A bit away from the current topic. 7D's write speed is only around 63% of its theoretical speed. I am wondering if it is due to the fact that the ML is booting from the slave CPU, and I think that it might be writing faster from the master CPU saving the penalty of overhead from communicating between the CPU?
Quote from: 1% on September 02, 2013, 07:38:12 PM
So a 1000x card can't handle 1156 or close to it like 1038?
Aug 30 build 7D
Just tested on
KomputerBay 256gig 1200X (formatted as 128gig)
1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 51 gig to test another card. Buffer barely budged. Card needed some warm up.
in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 30 gig, as temp warning showed up. buffer barely moved.
KomputerBay 64gig 1000X
1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 31 gig. Buffer at 20-30%. Card needed to warm up.
in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 24 gig. buffer barely moved.
Lexar 32gig 1000X
1728 x 1038 = filled up 32 gig card. Needs to warm up card first.
in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = 7649 averaged from several takes.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 03, 2013, 05:32:40 AM
Aug 30 build 7D
Just tested on
KomputerBay 256gig 1200X (formatted as 128gig)
1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 51 gig to test another card. Buffer barely budged. Card needed some warm up.
in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 30 gig, as temp warning showed up. buffer barely moved.
KomputerBay 64gig 1000X
1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 31 gig. Buffer at 20-30%. Card needed to warm up.
in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 24 gig. buffer barely moved.
Lexar 32gig 1000X
1728 x 1038 = filled up 32 gig card. Needs to warm up card first.
in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = 7649 averaged from several takes.
That is amazing. Did you write down the write speed for each of these?
Have you tried shooting at 2.5k and how long did it last?
Quote from: feureau on September 03, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
That is amazing. Did you write down the write speed for each of these?
Have you tried shooting at 2.5k and how long did it last?
I don't know about write speeds, I only did the benchmarks which I posted here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg71926#msg71926
for 2.5K using aug 30 build
Highest possible in crop mode 2512 x 1200 @30P
KB 256gig 1200X = 102 frames average
KB 64gig 1000X = 102 frames average
KB 128gig 1000X = 100 frames average
LX 32gig 1000X = 100 frames average
Thanks! :D
I've been thinking of getting the 64g komputerbay
QuoteI think that it might be writing faster from the master CPU saving the penalty of overhead from communicating between the CPU?
Well I'm planning on trying to boot on the master... thought the edmac and card controller is separate from the digic I think... the master might have less CPU usage tho. Guess we'll see.
Can't wait to be able to play back MLV files in the camera ....if that's possible :)
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 04, 2013, 06:55:24 AM
Can't wait to be able to play back MLV files in the camera ....if that's possible :)
You can already do this. To some extent.
I decided to pull the trigger on the Mk3 and was really surprised to only get 51 frames in crop 2560x1164 (without FPS override) , the 7D can get almost double that in 2512x1200 , (buffer size ?)
Fortunately the continuous 1080p with no aliasing and moire in non crop is just amazing , i just expected it to perform decently in crop at higher resolutions
Highest i could do continuous was 2048x1152 24p in crop with FPS override (94.5 MB/s)
By the way has 1% received his 7D ?
Best
Not yet but almost... still need to receive some money from card.
Almost, almost... :D
Sometime i can shootting 2,5k with non crop mode. I don't know what that mean.
Quote from: kh3naz on September 04, 2013, 09:15:39 AM
I decided to pull the trigger on the Mk3 and was really surprised to only get 51 frames in crop 2560x1164 (without FPS override) , the 7D can get almost double that in 2512x1200 , (buffer size ?)
On 5D3 if you enable:
Preview: Hacked
Memory hack: ON
Small hack: ON
I get 126 frames on 5D3 on Lexar 1000X
On 7D I only get 95-110 on same card
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 04, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
Not yet but almost... still need to receive some money from card.
Almost, almost... :D
i think,
the best would bi ,if Magic7d ships the camera to 1%,and once you colect the money for the cf card,to buy the card on amazon.com and deliverit to 1% addres.
Picking up a Canon 7D today, chose it over the 50d and gh2.
Hopefully, it will stand next to the 5d mark II/III in terms of raw video.
fingers crossed.
Will donate happily to the cause.
Quotethe best would bi ,if Magic7d ships the camera to 1%,and once you colect the money for the cf card,to buy the card on amazon.com and deliverit to 1% addres.
I already grabbed it from ebay when the camera tracking moved so the price wouldn't go up and I would have at the same time. I'm betting everything gets here by friday. 7D is in country at least.
Quote from: feureau on September 04, 2013, 07:45:36 AM
You can already do this. To some extent.
Hi, do you mind to tell me more? :) I'm fairly new at this and tried to search and read through the forum but couldn't find anything yet...
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: 1% on September 04, 2013, 04:47:58 PM
I already grabbed it from ebay when the camera tracking moved so the price wouldn't go up and I would have at the same time. I'm betting everything gets here by friday. 7D is in country at least.
I'm glad to hear it
I want to thank you for the help you give,and not least to thank Alex and g3gg0 for all the effort they have made
for us to have such a toy with which to play
I hope to hear only good things in the coming days
thanks
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 04, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
On 5D3 if you enable:
Preview: Hacked
Memory hack: ON
Small hack: ON
I get 126 frames on 5D3 on Lexar 1000X
On 7D I only get 95-110 on same card
Awesome , will test that out !
Trying to test the crop mode and see if I could push the resolution. There are still bad frames and not continuous.
I'm using Lexar Professional 1000x 32GB card.
What's with that flickering? I read that ACR caused it?
1st.
Canon Setting: 30fps
ML Mode: cropped
ML aspect ratio: 16:9
ML resolution: 2048x1152
Total Frames: 127
2nd.
Canon Setting: 30fps
ML Mode: cropped
ML aspect ratio: 2.35:1
ML resolution: 2048x872
Total Frames: 343
I'd love to clarify something real quick before I go down the road of buying a card and learning how to install ML on the 7d. I've been gleaming from some previous posts that if you shoot at 720 resolution, you will increase the crop factor of your sensor because the camera will only record part of the sensor field. Is there any way around this? I don't see much use in shooting full 1080p resolution because the file sizes are too large and I want more than 13 minutes per 64gb of memory... but I also don't think a 3x crop factor would be workable for me. Hopefully I'm missing something and this isn't the catch 22 I'm presenting here.
Quote from: dne202 on September 04, 2013, 11:51:35 PM
I'd love to clarify something real quick before I go down the road of buying a card and learning how to install ML on the 7d. I've been gleaming from some previous posts that if you shoot at 720 resolution, you will increase the crop factor of your sensor because the camera will only record part of the sensor field. Is there any way around this? I don't see much use in shooting full 1080p resolution because the file sizes are too large and I want more than 13 minutes per 64gb of memory... but I also don't think a 3x crop factor would be workable for me. Hopefully I'm missing something and this isn't the catch 22 I'm presenting here.
The 3X crop recording in raw video is indeed much sharper and less prone to aliasing and moire due to it recording 1:1 pixel from a cropped portion of the sensor, unlike 1X which employs line skipping to record from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor.
This is different from 720 60P recording in h264 which is also recording from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor but at more lower res to give you downscaled 720 60P and more aliasing and moire than what you see in 1080.
64gig gives you approx 15 min in 1728 x 972 resolution @ 24P
Quote from: dne202 on September 04, 2013, 11:51:35 PM
I'd love to clarify something real quick before I go down the road of buying a card and learning how to install ML on the 7d. I've been gleaming from some previous posts that if you shoot at 720 resolution, you will increase the crop factor of your sensor because the camera will only record part of the sensor field. Is there any way around this? I don't see much use in shooting full 1080p resolution because the file sizes are too large and I want more than 13 minutes per 64gb of memory... but I also don't think a 3x crop factor would be workable for me. Hopefully I'm missing something and this isn't the catch 22 I'm presenting here.
On 7D Raw video at 1280x720 and 29.97 fps does not require any crop! Only if want more than 1728x972 will you need to use crop.
On 7D Raw video at 1280x720 and 29.97 fps requires a recording speed of 46 MB/s.
On 7D Raw video at 1280x720 and 29.97 fps generates 2795 MB (2.8 GB) every 1 min, therefore 13 min = 2.8*13 = 36.4 GB
In 7D
technically, in Crop Mode its recording a "cropped" portion of the sensor.
However, in 1X, when you change resolution for example from 1728 width to 1280 you will see your framing guide white rec reduce in size poroprtionally thus recording only a "cropped" portion from that of 1728, so yeah, its still cropped with line skipping while 3X crop does not employ line skipping, thats the difference I guess.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 05, 2013, 12:30:38 AM
In 7D
technically, in Crop Mode its recording a "cropped" portion of the sensor.
However, in 1X, when you change resolution for example from 1728 width to 1280 you will see your framing guide white rec reduce in size poroprtionally thus recording only a "cropped" portion from that of 1728, so yeah, its still cropped with line skipping while 3X crop does not employ line skipping, thats the difference I guess.
Your terminology is correct but in RAW video I refer to "cropped video" as the video obtained by pressing the zoom button.
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Thanks to all that help/participated in this, you know who you are!!! And a special thanks to Magic 7D and 1%.
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Quote from: ted ramasola on September 05, 2013, 12:30:38 AM
In 7D
technically, in Crop Mode its recording a "cropped" portion of the sensor.
However, in 1X, when you change resolution for example from 1728 width to 1280 you will see your framing guide white rec reduce in size poroprtionally thus recording only a "cropped" portion from that of 1728, so yeah, its still cropped with line skipping while 3X crop does not employ line skipping, thats the difference I guess.
Thanks for making that clear. So I guess the catch 22 does exist for shooting RAW: either you shoot 1728 and have to buy a bunch of cards to handle the massive data rates, or you shoot 1280 and have to buy a bunch of wider lenses to compensate for the smaller image plane. Does this happen with all the cameras? Or is this just a 7d problem that might be fixed.
All... so you need like 10-11mm lenses, etc. Some have better or worse down scaling in "normal" mode. Zoom also needs FPS override or it won't work/ you get 30P.
Have you guys tested some of the wide zooms with the crop mode to see which performs best?
I know that Sigma 10-20 has very low distortion, but not as sharp as the Tokina 11-16, for example.
Quote from: 1% on September 05, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
All... so you need like 10-11mm lenses, etc. Some have better or worse down scaling in "normal" mode. Zoom also needs FPS override or it won't work/ you get 30P.
Thanks for the response. I think I fully understand now :) Good luck with the programming!
Quote from: dpmaia on September 05, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
Have you guys tested some of the wide zooms with the crop mode to see which performs best?
I know that Sigma 10-20 has very low distortion, but not as sharp as the Tokina 11-16, for example.
My brother has the Tokina 11-16. While the lens is sharp wide open at 2.8, it has this blooming effect like soft focus when you shoot against something really bright, like when exposing for indoor and shooting a window frame.
Quote from: dne202 on September 05, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
or you shoot 1280 and have to buy a bunch of wider lenses to compensate for the smaller image plane.
It's not necessary a bad thing because it can be an advantage if you need long telephoto...
And even if you need wide angle you have to buy only ONE lens, below your widest lens, not a BUNCH...
For this test I wanted to try out the new Canon 7D ML raw ability on a longer shoot. The goal was to see how good of a image we could get while also telling a short narrative. All the clips were shot at 1728x972 with a 1000x Komputerbay 64GB card.
The first thing I noticed is that the 7D is still prone to over heating on long shoots. There were times we would stop and dump the footage solely because the camera needed to cool down and was dropping frames or producing too many corrupted frames. Ice packs were used several times. It was Texas in August, but were always in the shade and so this was disappointing to learn that raw recording doesn't produce any less heat for the 7D. I haven't made the switch over to .mlv, but I've read that it produces less corrupted frames, so I will be switching soon.
We shot separate audio and then synced in post. We unfortunately had some issues with it, but this had nothing to do with the ML raw recording module.
The images pretty much speak for themselves. This is way better then anything you can shoot with h.264. Many, many thanks to the whole ML team and all the contributors on the ML Forum.
We used a VAF on the shoot and didn't noticed any moire or aliasing. I did notice some vertical lines especially in the dark grey shirt. Not sure if that was from processing them in ACR or not.
It took me two days to process the footage before I could start editing, so that was a new experience. I edited in FCPX, so after I tweaked the incoming footage, I exported each sequence to ProRes 422 (HQ) then synced all the audio. As long as you use a clapper, this isn't difficult at all.
All in all, the image quality is SO much better then h.264, that I really can't go back. No matter how much more difficult it is to work with (and I'm sure it will continue to get easier) its the only way to shoot with a Canon DSLR for me at this point.
it is 1728x972, so it's very close to 1080p. However I still feel the footage is quite soft. Is it because of the internet compression thing? idk. but I've seen way sharper raw video of 5D3 on vimeo.
I just checked on it and Vimeo now says that its converting it into 1080p instead of 720p, so for the moment its just showing SD...? Kinda weird. It should be HD again soon and it definitely looks way sharper...lol.
Update: It should now be 1080p in the embed.
Quote from: Rai2121 on September 05, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
The first thing I noticed is that the 7D is still prone to over heating on long shoots.
Maybe you can use this? (http://www.astroshop.eu/other-astro-photo-accessories/geoptik-thermoelectric-cooling-box-for-eos-cameras/p,23373)
;D
Quote from: JCBEos on September 05, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
Maybe you can use this? (http://www.astroshop.eu/other-astro-photo-accessories/geoptik-thermoelectric-cooling-box-for-eos-cameras/p,23373)
;D
I have bought several ebay batteries that CLAIMED to have much higher capacity than the Canon OEM one. In order to test I set the cam to record with the lens cap on in a box with a computer fan to keep it cool. Without the fan I could go about 45 mins to an hour before overheating became an issue. With the fan there were no overheating issues at all.
In theory you COULD make a rig with a cover of some sort over the camera body and a fan blowing towards the cam on one side and an opening on the other side to let the air out. Remote screen for live view and bolt on a battery pack to power the fan and away you go! Even blowing warm air over the camera body will help cool it down.
Best thing about this is no ice packs needed and no risk of condensation in the camera!
Theres also this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6685.msg53763#msg53763
Quote from: Pileot on September 05, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Best thing about this is no ice packs needed and no risk of condensation in the camera!
How do you deal with the beer without ice packs? ::)
the main problem is that heat is contained inside the body without any way to go out.
so the camera body is the dissipator. A simple fan could do the job as you said.
But in long term use, there's still a risk to broke your camera. Time will tell
Quotethat raw recording doesn't produce any less heat for the 7D
More.. 50D overheats too, 6D doesn't but feels hot. None of the other features in camera stress it as much or write close to as fast.
Quote from: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:18:52 AM
I'm having a cracker tonight!
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
Just a quick ? about this build. The mlv's are working fine.
Is it possible to record raw at 23.976 frames or does this only do 30 frames? My menu in canon is set to 1929 x 1080 24. When I bring the dng files into AE it shows the clip at 30 fps. Do you think audio will be ever available for raw? Cheers....John
I have found that the camera is less hot with its original metal handgrip, one of my CF card cannot shoot to all the way to be full without a handgrip (it will show "skip frame"), but with a handgrip it can shoot all the way.
Quote from: jman on September 06, 2013, 01:58:28 AM
Just a quick ? about this build. The mlv's are working fine. Is it possible to record raw at 23.976 frames or does this only do 30 frames? My menu in canon is set to 1929 x 1080 24. When I bring the dng files into AE it shows the clip at 30 fps. Do you think audio will be ever available for raw? Cheers....John
Set your AE to conform the dngs to 23.976, the default import settings must have been set to 29.97. Change it.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 06, 2013, 03:00:18 AM
Set your AE to conform the dngs to 23.976, the default import settings must have been set to 29.97. Change it.
Thank you !!!
Could someone point me to the correct post/link for the latest build that allows continuous RAW recording?
Tried trawling back through the past 10 pages but couldn't seem to find the correct thing?
Sorry for being a nuisance!
Quote from: mr_pablo on September 06, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
Could someone point me to the correct post/link for the latest build that allows continuous RAW recording?
Tried trawling back through the past 10 pages but couldn't seem to find the correct thing?
Sorry for being a nuisance!
You didn't notice it 4 posts above yours?
I'd be interested to hear what people have found to be the best settings for recording RAW. Global draw on or off? Video hacks on or off? Buffer settings? There are a lot of variables and I'm never really sure the best settings.
Global Draw Off
Preview Hacked
Hacks on
Buffer 4/3 if you are using mlv build, further reading here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
if you are using unified build you will not have and option for buffer selections.
Quote from: mr_pablo on September 06, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
Could someone point me to the correct post/link for the latest build that allows continuous RAW recording?
Tried trawling back through the past 10 pages but couldn't seem to find the correct thing?
Also here:
7D Test builds with Raw Support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.msg73827;topicseen#msg73827
ok so is mlv working ok now? should I finally make a switch from raw?
yes, MLV is working
Quote from: stevelucky on September 06, 2013, 05:05:46 PM
You didn't notice it 4 posts above yours?
Be nice :) It can be a lot of shit to wade through if one is just getting started.
Quote from: wheezl on September 07, 2013, 01:14:19 AM
Be nice :) It can be a lot of shit to wade through if one is just getting started.
Fair enough. I didn't intend for it to sound as harsh as it did. :P
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 06, 2013, 08:08:51 PM
Global Draw Off
Preview Hacked
Hacks on
Buffer 4/3 if you are using mlv build, further reading here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
if you are using unified build you will not have and option for buffer selections.
Could you clarify what you mean with the Buffer setting? Everything else I follow, but I'm not sure exactly which setting that is. Is that the setting within Video Hacks?
Is there any way to convert or edit the .mlv directly yet, or does this format have to be converted to DNG and then to the final product/or proxy?
Quote from: stevelucky on September 07, 2013, 07:11:47 AM
Could you clarify what you mean with the Buffer setting? Everything else I follow, but I'm not sure exactly which setting that is. Is that the setting within Video Hacks?
It's inside the RAW option (1# latest build), right above "take" and "text". For me it came buffer 4 by default.
Ok so I played with 7D this morning... I need to find out how to boot/save the master fir.. but as what's good:
*FPS override works (why disabled?)
*Display filters - work, need sync on something
Bad:
HDMI/Headphone stuff on the master
all ADTG/CMOS on the master
Quote from: 1% on September 07, 2013, 06:47:38 PM
Ok so I played with 7D this morning... I need to find out how to boot/save the master fir.. but as what's good:
*FPS override works (why disabled?)
*Display filters - work, need sync on something
Bad:
HDMI/Headphone stuff on the master
all ADTG/CMOS on the master
For fps being disabled, see this http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg21780#msg21780 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg21780#msg21780)
Quote from: dpmaia on September 07, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
It's inside the RAW option (1# latest build), right above "take" and "text". For me it came buffer 4 by default.
It's set to 4 by default for me as well. What does the 4/3 refer to? Are you saying that it should be set to 3 instead of 4?
Hmm... fps is on and nothing is crappy.. maybe only H264...
7D is the memory king. 315MB shoot malloc.
It is jacking up in zoom mode... premature stop.
wow. now we're talking!
Is it just possible that no one has tried the FPS override till now with the latest builds?
The build that it was disabled in is from last year.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 05, 2013, 12:06:11 AM
The 3X crop recording in raw video is indeed much sharper and less prone to aliasing and moire due to it recording 1:1 pixel from a cropped portion of the sensor, unlike 1X which employs line skipping to record from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor.
This is different from 720 60P recording in h264 which is also recording from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor but at more lower res to give you downscaled 720 60P and more aliasing and moire than what you see in 1080.
64gig gives you approx 15 min in 1728 x 972 resolution @ 24P
How do you get 3X crop mode?
7D testing:
10X zoom freezes live view
Missing FPS..
Could not detect more buffer with different image quality settings.
Few pink frames in cropped and 60fps modes
Framing during cropped recording not true-
Quote from: jphansen on September 07, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
How do you get 3X crop mode?
How to record: -- RAW Digital Cropped Video 30/24fps on 5D3 --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
Also applicable to 7D except for some resolutions and FPS override which is missing now... but not for long thanks to 1%
In short press zoom button while in live view
press the magnify button once to view 5x magnification on your LCD.
That engages 3X crop recording, start raw record and you will have a cropped video. For now its only 30P.
Unfortunately at this time what you see is NOT what you get. Until they they port the crop preview in the mark II which has proper framing in 3X crop,
in the 7D you are viewing a 5X crop, while recording more than what you are seeing.
@DragonFlame @%1
I had tried fps override but didn't work for me. I defined in features.h
#define FEATURE_FPS_OVERRIDE
Maybe i'm missing something.
Just discovered something wierd.. When recording mlv and my external monitor is connected the raw crop changes.. see the screenshot
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/ttS_xLc_STRPpSTCqw01-nkQ_saeL8uePAt-naBygf8XSZB5HLNpHWtEo_aL3WIMNg=w1508-h668)
Also the screen resolution changes from 720X480 to 960X540
Is this useful in any way?
this has been discussed onther threads regarding hdmi out. To remove the offcenterd crop guide use ML grayscale in preview options. Also, based on the 5D when you playback raw vide with hdmi attached the camera freezes. so if you want to playback/review your raw shots, remove hdmi.
QuoteMaybe i'm missing something.
Seems the actual FPS doesn't change even though everything says it does.
Dunno if these are the real memory locations on the master still:
if(reg == FPS_REGISTER_A)
{
ml_rpc_send(ML_RPC_ENGIO_WRITE, 0x8704, val, 0, 0);
}
if(reg == FPS_REGISTER_B)
{
ml_rpc_send(ML_RPC_ENGIO_WRITE, 0x8774, val, 0, 0);
}
More 7D testing....
update: Preview in different modes (MLGray, Hacked, Canon) not working
update: Dual ISO works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: AETTR works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: Autoexposure works
AETTR with intervalometer and XMP not working. id AETTR does not adjust the exposure and xmp is not recorded.
Tested both Alex build and new RAW fortmat 2.0 with MLV files
In general Alex build was able to record faster as much as 30% to 45 % faster
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 07, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
More 7D testing....
update: Preview in different modes (MLGray, Hacked, Canon) not working
update: Dual ISO works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: AETTR works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: Autoexposure works
AETTR with intervalometer and XMP not working. id AETTR does not adjust the exposure and xmp is not recorded.
Tested both Alex build and new RAW fortmat 2.0 with MLV files
In general Alex build was able to record faster as much as 30% to 45 % faster
Did Alex make a 7d raw build?
Quote from: Jim Jarmusch on September 07, 2013, 11:20:29 PM
Did Alex make a 7d raw build?
You can compile the latest yourself from the repository or get some from here:
7D Test builds with Raw Support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
P.S. If its RAW fortmat 2.0 the files will be in .MLV instead of RAW
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 08, 2013, 12:12:06 AM
You can compile the latest yourself from the repository or get some from here:
7D Test builds with Raw Support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
P.S. If its RAW fortmat 2.0 the files will be in .MLV instead of RAW
Thnx a lot.
Hi,
my first ML raw test with my 7D. I made it in extreme lowlight conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHpMZ6Zlnzk&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ
Hi,
I compiled my own from the link below and I'm able to see FPS override and change its settings, however it doesn't seem to be actually working. According to the videos I've seen when you crank down the FPS it should slow down the video on LV screen. Am I missing something?
Thanks.
Build from here.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/all
I know very little of programming. When looking through fps-engio.c and fps.c, I have seen that there are some definitions for some cameras like 600D, 6D...but I couldn't find the likewise for 7D, which definitions are like these:
fps-engio.c: (line 272 - 298)
#ifdef CONFIG_600D
#define NEW_FPS_METHOD 1
#define SENSOR_TIMING_TABLE MEM(0xCB20)
#define VIDEO_PARAMETERS_SRC_3 0x70AE8 // notation from g3gg0
#undef FPS_TIMER_B_MIN
#define FPS_TIMER_B_MIN MIN(fps_timer_b_orig, 1420)
static const int mode_offset_map[] = { 3, 6, 1, 5, 4, 0, 2 };
#elif defined(CONFIG_60D)
...
fps.c: (line 16-32)
#ifdef CONFIG_600D
#define SENSOR_TIMING_TABLE MEM(0xCB20)
#define VIDEO_PARAMETERS_SRC_3 0x70AE8 // notation from g3gg0
#define CARTIRIDGE_CALL_TABLE 0x8AAC
#define AEWB_struct_ptr 0x1dcc
#endif
I do not know if it is important.
fps-engio.c:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/608e4b7437881d8cb8fc7e2c6c703fa4827f2606/src/fps-engio.c?at=unified
fps.c:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/608e4b7437881d8cb8fc7e2c6c703fa4827f2606/src/fps.c?at=unified
Just 2 cents.
I think I found the problem... none of the RPC stuff is working. So master cache hacks or engio writes are doing jack + shit.
Mz is somewhat synced tho and display filter is working nice.. so if I can figure out a why on this maybe we'll have fps override... frame shutter/etc for FPS is on master too.
So I got it working... for signed bins only. :(
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
So I got it working... for signed bins only. :(
I'm new here. What are signed bins?
Thanks.
Well I'm going to check a few things and you're going to find out.
Go 1% go! Go 1% go!
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I'm going to check a few things and you're going to find out.
Sweet
*rubs hands*
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I'm going to check a few things and you're going to find out.
Which binaries can I clone to follow your development?
So here it is:
http://www.filedropper.com/7dautobootfir
I guess mirror so it doesn't go away.
Normal bin boots on startup and you can't fps override or do video hacks.. or other "RPC" things.
So when you're booted up just go over to update firmware and it will restart into master/slave mode and you should be good on those features. Best way to have one's cake and eat it too at this point.
Added
*Display Filters (peaking/defish/etc)
*Audio Meters whenever
*Audio should be recording with wav on either internal/external, (i think input volume stays from the canon menu, you can record audio off)
*Dialog timers can be turned off
*FPS override works in fir mode
*Video hacks
I'm lining up my card, so far only got ~75 MB/s in 5x mode which is worse than 50D.
*Bugs? Things I noticed:
*Starts up to metering selection menu? This camera took a fall so VF/TS doesn't work, a button could be stuck?
*Vignetting Correction. does it work? I can't tell
*H264 + fps override is untested, you don't "really" need it
All of the real edmacs for LV/etc are on the master and "hacked" previewless mode does seem to give some speed even with HDMI plugged in. 300MB shoot malloc with JPEG S
QuoteWhich binaries can I clone to follow your development?
Its all in the 6D repo but the caveat is that the dual bins must be signed. Still haven't figured out ADTG logging on the master side for shutter. I got HDR working... but it flashed in LV only, i know where it is on the master but dunno how to do MEM(address)+X and have it land on the master via RPC.
EPIC! thanks a lot mister! updated also here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Audio meters are working in the bin slave version for me!
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
http://www.filedropper.com/7dautobootfir
Keeps cutting out! Maybe to many downloads? How big is it?
Hmmmm. I'm having an issue with the new 1% build. How do you load modules? Under the modules section, it has them all listed and it even looks like some of them are loaded (or are enabled to load) but the functions aren't there. It shows th MLV module as green but the Load command is missing and I can't make the RAW functionality appear. Anyone else having this issue?
The modules load on startup in both autoexec.bin and autoexec.fir... they should be loaded already when you're in the fir (set on what you want the first time you boot).
Thank you sir! FPS override working like a charm.
First: a really big thanks Mr 1%! :)
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
so far only got ~75 MB/s in 5x mode which is worse than 50D.
So do you think you'll be able to improve this?
Hopefully. Not easy and immediate though... best I've seen is 77MB/s now. Although you can do a few seconds of 2K now.. if you drop the FPS some more then its continuous but where is the fun in that.
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 11:01:36 PM
The modules load on startup in both autoexec.bin and autoexec.fir... they should be loaded already when you're in the fir (set on what you want the first time you boot).
That's what I though but I must be doing something wrong. I updated all the files on my card with the new ones you provided. When I turn on he camera, I update the firmware via the Canon menu. It shows all the modules as if they've loaded, but when I go into the ML camera menu, the RAW options are not there. There's just no way to turn on RAW recording. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Quote from: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
That's what I though but I must be doing something wrong. I updated all the files on my card with the new ones you provided. When I turn on he camera, I update the firmware via the Canon menu. It shows all the modules as if they've loaded, but when I go into the ML camera menu, the RAW options are not there. There's just no way to turn on RAW recording. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
You might want to remove all of the previous modules you had then copy the 1% build over and then it might work for you.. I had the same problem.. I had previous build with .MLV raw and when I updated this over my existing files on the card, the modules shown loaded but I can't access Video raw.. then I did the above and it worked.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 09, 2013, 12:04:16 AM
You might want to remove all of the previous modules you had then copy the 1% build over and then it might work for you.. I had the same problem.. I had previous build with .MLV raw and when I updated this over my existing files on the card, the modules shown loaded but I can't access Video raw.. then I did the above and it worked.
Still not working for me. I deleted all the old modules and uploaded all the new ones. I also replaced the scripts and everything else. The modules that I've selected are green and say they will load on reboot, but they never do. I can see the FPS hack and it appears to be working, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right! but RAW recording just will not show up. I don't need to use EOSCard to update my card or anything, right? I just replaced the files on the card manually (well, deleted them first and then uploaded the new ones. I'm really confused here....
Quote from: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
Still not working for me. I deleted all the old modules and uploaded all the new ones. I also replaced the scripts and everything else. The modules that I've selected are green and say they will load on reboot, but they never do. I can see the FPS hack and it appears to be working, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right! but RAW recording just will not show up. I don't need to use EOSCard to update my card or anything, right? I just replaced the files on the card manually (well, deleted them first and then uploaded the new ones. I'm really confused here....
In the new module system, the modules have to be enabled (on) by pressing set on the ones you want loaded. Then reboot the camera. There is no menu to load modules, etc
Quote from: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
Still not working for me. I deleted all the old modules and uploaded all the new ones. I also replaced the scripts and everything else. The modules that I've selected are green and say they will load on reboot, but they never do. I can see the FPS hack and it appears to be working, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right! but RAW recording just will not show up. I don't need to use EOSCard to update my card or anything, right? I just replaced the files on the card manually (well, deleted them first and then uploaded the new ones. I'm really confused here....
That's strange. Mine did the exact same thing.. all modules were "on, will load" and green but there was no video raw... so I removed all the modules on the card and recopied 1% build over... and video raw finally shows.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 09, 2013, 12:38:39 AM
That's strange. Mine did the exact same thing.. all modules were "on, will load" and green but there was no video raw... so I removed all the modules on the card and recopied 1% build over... and video raw finally shows.
same thing happened here,now evrithing ok
Working. Confirmed that you hav to update fir everytime you turn on cameta so fps over ride to work. ;)
Don't delete anything from last build just copy files and overwrite.
@1%
Great job making fps working albiet quirky.
Hoping youl fix also the freezing 10x magnify
since ml preview now works with 5x magnify
in crop mode 10x magnify is useful to confirm focus.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 09, 2013, 12:27:38 AM
In the new module system, the modules have to be enabled (on) by pressing set on the ones you want loaded. Then reboot the camera. There is no menu to load modules, etc
Understood. I have the modules I want to load enabled. I turn off the camera, turn it back on but the modules still don't appear to be loaded. I never get the option to turn on raw recording even though the module is enabled. I tried with both the raw_rec module as well as the MLV module.
Quote from: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:48:54 AM
Understood. I have the modules I want to load enabled. I turn off the camera, turn it back on but the modules still don't appear to be loaded. I never get the option to turn on raw recording even though the module is enabled. I tried with both the raw_rec module as well as the MLV module.
Hmmm. Well, I just copied over the entire directory and let it overwrite everything and that seemed to work. Before I had copied over the files individually but that didn't do it. Oh well.
When first time I copied 1% version over the old version,if i choose the modules rec raw then i had no option in the menu to select shooting in RAW.
If we choose the module option to mlv rec then everything was ok, I could shoot in RAW the option was available.
When increased to 10x the image in live view it was working ok.
After I deleted everything on the card and then I copied 1% version again,everything seems ok except 10x magnifications,which now hangs and i have to disabled from the menu.
Just a thought for an awesome feature (and I would love it if this already exists, though I don't think it does), it would be great to be able to setup complex presets that we could save. So, for example, maybe I want to have a cinescope raw preset where I have a certain resolution and aspect ratio in my raw recording settings as well as have the cinescope cropmark enabled. It would be cool to be able to set it up exactly how I want it and then save all those settings under a preset that I can later recall. I can think of several different presets that I would use often, but take a while to setup and even then I run the risk of forgetting a particular setting, as well as the time that it takes setting it up. How awesome would it be to be able to just have a long list of custom presets that the user can set up and save?
Then you could probably even have these presets available for download so if one of us comes up with an awesome setting for [whatever cool stuff here] they can share it with everyone. And if these presets were saved as individual files (which would probably be necessary if we were going to be able to share them) they could easily be backed up and when a new build comes out, we could just restore those files and have all our favorite settings easy to access, without having to set everything up again. I don't know. Just a thought. I wish I were a better programmer or I would get right on it. I'm apparently more of an "idea" guy. ;)
Quote from: szigiszmund on September 09, 2013, 12:59:42 AM
When first time I copied 1% version over the old version,if i choose the modules rec raw then i had no option in the menu to select shooting in RAW.
If we choose the module option to mlv rec then everything was ok, I could shoot in RAW the option was available.
When increased to 10x the image in live view it was working ok.
After I deleted everything on the card and then I copied 1% version again,everything seems ok except 10x magnifications,which now hangs and i have to disabled from the menu.
So, I'm having a magnification issue as well, though a bit different. Magnification in RAW_REC works fine (I still have 10X disabled), but in MLV recording it's all messed up. As soon as I go to 5X zoom it turns black and white and when I hit it again to back to regular magnification, it totally freezes on me. I have to switch to photo mode and back (or off and on) to free it up. Bizarre.
So when exactly Magic Lantern development team would take action and take over this 7D RAW video? What do they need and what are they waiting for, is there some kind of code of ethic to have this on nightly builds when it is this close?
Yea, the 10x just kills LV for me, probably the regs from 5x are applying?
Quote5X zoom it turns black and white
Thats the framing preview.
Quote from: 1% on September 09, 2013, 01:31:55 AM
Yea, the 10x just kills LV for me, probably the regs from 5x are applying?
Thats the framing preview.
Which is fine, but it's the switching back to 1X that kills it for me. Generally just goes black and locks up LV.
P.S. - I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything as I'm STOKED on the work you're doing and am just trying to report the bugs that I'm running into.
P.P.S. - Why does the framing preview not turn black and white in the raw_rec module and only the MLV module?
There are 2 things done to the preview.
1. Make it color in zoom mode... it changes some regs to do this, it does both 5x/10x... I think its locking up 10x. I believe I found the bug, 50D can't record at 10x and I don't think 5DII either so nobody proofed it. 7D can no problem it seems (except this. and no it didn't help write speed, just slave LV is crashed).
2. Make a framing preview thats black & white and slow but the full frame in 5X/10X, before today you had no display filters so you couldn't do this... doesn't affect 10x, just slow and I wouldn't leave it on when writing unless you have no choice.
Also, audio controls work, they are 1:1 5DII. Headphone is on the master and I have to figure out how to set those addresses, read C0blahblah address and call prop_deliver on the master. I know where the stuff is but not 100% on how to talk with it.
HTF does headphone even work on 5dII? ML never sends any commands to reconfigure power regs or any of that.. it just undoes the screen. Does it just happen to work because we override sound dev task?
*Yes, I was correct, headphone works but screen is off... you can trick it, but I'll have to fix it.
@1%
The preview options are now ok. and they work, just to find a fix with 10x since in practice, based on 5d2,
The preview is set to option so when 5X activates crop mode, the low rez but proper framing kicks in, but to confirm focus is sharp before starting record, 10x is used, cycle back to 5x, start recording.
The difference between 7D and 5d2 auto preview in Crop Mode are
7D
preview = proper 3x framing, low rez, acceptable refresh.
record = proper 3x framing, low rez, slow refresh
ADVANTAGE- framing can be "predicted" but not focus.
5D2
preview = proper 3x framing, low rez, acceptable refresh
record = canon 5x framing but grayscale, high rez, realtime refresh
ADVANTAGE - focus can be maintained but framing is difficult.
I don't know if the best of both cameras can be combined. I would be nice though.
We can see that the 7D's video capture ability is more and more formidable. Congratulations.
But I encounter two problems since the last build:
1) When the card record to its full capacity, the screen freezes to its last screen with that black screen and a square, and it is still there even I pull the camera's power slider to OFF position. The phenomena happens in the first 2 times of the total 4 test runs. And I have to pull the battery out.
2) The 0908 build permanently changes the camera's firmware, and in Canon's menu, 1920x1080@25fps option is gone.
3) It is not a problem, but when the camera's writing continuously, frame skipping suddenly appears, so I have to preload a very large file into the CF card while booting up (like warmup with 256mb--I haven't tried other settings yet), and then the CF card can, miraculously, have 0 frame skipping while recording continuously.
I can still change it back to PAL.. I didn't try with fir running just booting a normal bin.
I should clarify the zoom issue I'm having. In the MLV raw module when the preview is set to Canon, it will freeze when cycled to 5X and then back to 1X. It doesn't seem to freeze when the preview mode is set to Hacked.
Yep, there is some bug, it wasn't what I thought it was... it is possible to somehow get into 10x with it moving but something in raw freezes it.
Quote from: 1% on September 09, 2013, 04:40:24 AM
Yep, there is some bug, it wasn't what I thought it was... it is possible to somehow get into 10x with it moving but something in raw freezes it.
Also, with my issue, 10X is disabled so I don't think that factors in. I just cycle back and forth between 1X and 5X and that's when it freezes.
I see, press play when that happens.
Quote from: 1% on September 09, 2013, 05:44:39 AM
I see, press play when that happens.
Weird. Yeah, that fixes it. Thanks!
Crash logs: http://www.filedropper.com/archive_22
What happened:
* zoomed at 5x, pressing the autofocus button to LV autofocus, it failed to focus and then crashed.
* regularly recording raw with raw_rec.mo that produces .raw at 2.5k
Thanks for all the fish, 1%
Quote from: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 04:24:07 AM
I should clarify the zoom issue I'm having. In the MLV raw module when the preview is set to Canon, it will freeze when cycled to 5X and then back to 1X. It doesn't seem to freeze when the preview mode is set to Hacked.
I had the same issue that it would freeze, most of the time i had to restart the camera, but to come around this for now, just disabled the 10x zoom mode so it only "cycles" between 1x and 5x. Try it.
Quote from: 1% on September 09, 2013, 05:44:39 AM
I see, press play when that happens.
1%, BTW, the dolly mode (let you dolly with arrows) in RAW is very interesting. unfortunately it doesnt work in crop mode. I think right now its intended only for lower resolution , but would be awesome if it could be used in crop (as in crop even full HD is just 1/3rd horizontally and vertically so lets of space for some dolly action!). What do you think?
Quote from: sephiroth on September 09, 2013, 07:21:11 AM
I had the same issue that it would freeze, most of the time i had to restart the camera, but to come around this for now, just disabled the 10x zoom mode so it only "cycles" between 1x and 5x. Try it.
As I mentioned, I already have 10X disabled. I'm only cycling between 1X and 5X and it still freezes.
test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gboNZoszxtM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gboNZoszxtM)
QuoteASSERT: FALSE
at Memory\Memory.c:186
It ran out of memory for some reason.
QuoteBTW, the dolly mode (let you dolly with arrows) in RAW is very interesting. unfortunately it doesnt work in crop mode.
I still have to check some stuff out, its only been 48hrs, lol. Did it work on other modules?
Quotemost of the time i had to restart the camera
Play fixes it, I even recorded with the 10x blacked out like that. I think flipping fast between the display filter and not might be a problem with this sync method, I need to add the warning too that you'll come back to flickery magic zoom after using it.
wait so 1% this built i just copy over my existing built? btw thx for all the hard work.
nevermind just backup my current build and installed your new updated one. everything is working so far. havnt playd with crop zoomed mode. just wanted the latest built and work great.
Quote from: 1% on September 09, 2013, 02:30:27 PM
It ran out of memory for some reason.
I still have to check some stuff out, its only been 48hrs, lol. Did it work on other modules?
Play fixes it, I even recorded with the 10x blacked out like that. I think flipping fast between the display filter and not might be a problem with this sync method, I need to add the warning too that you'll come back to flickery magic zoom after using it.
Was going to check it now, unfortunately i got a Canon 7D error code 30 "shooting is not possible due to an error". Probably it's not MLs fault , just very coincidental as i havnt seen it before i started using ML. Unless ML is using the shutter in some way of course - anyone knows?
Ok so taking out the lithium battery fixed it - not sure what this has to do with the shutter , but in case you run into the same thing that was the solution. Will pray i dont need to pay for a new shutter anytime soon. Living in Japan would probably make it convenient though.
Just a heads up to those who want to test the latest build by 1% out in the field.
In camera format deletes the fir file.
The autoexec.bin and ML folders are retained.
So don't do a format of your cards and just delete files otherwise you won't be able to use the FPS override with crop mode.
I know these versions are still in progress, hopeful for it to be streamlined soon.
Yep... oops, maybe it has to be added to ML files. Also audio controls work but overriding the sound task is missing something, it won't start recording H264 with audio enabled... but thats not released yet so working on it.
@1%,
doing several test takes with 32gig 1000x cf card at 1728 x 972, I encounter corrupt frames appearing at random.
This is at 1X recording not crop.
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
So here it is:
http://www.filedropper.com/7dautobootfir
I guess mirror so it doesn't go away.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 08, 2013, 10:36:39 PM
Keeps cutting out! Maybe to many downloads? How big is it?
Bump... I have a slow bandwidth and filedroper keeps cutting me out. Any chance of posting this somewhere else?
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 10, 2013, 04:26:50 AM
Bump... I have a slow bandwidth and filedroper keeps cutting me out. Any chance of posting this somewhere else?
How about this: http://www.mediafire.com/download/xp8bpb8pgek5svd/%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip
Also, dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvm3lr7qzz7wof4/1%25%20Sept%209%202013%20%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip
Btw,
Quote from: 1% on September 09, 2013, 02:30:27 PM
Play fixes it, I even recorded with the 10x blacked out like that. I think flipping fast between the display filter and not might be a problem with this sync method, I need to add the warning too that you'll come back to flickery magic zoom after using it.
Which one is the play button again? Play as in the playback/review button (the one immediately above the trash button) or the SET button?
Quote from: feureau on September 10, 2013, 05:09:50 AM
Which one is the play button again? Play as in the playback/review button (the one immediately above the trash button) or the SET button?
The one above the trash button.
Thanks
Here's a build using 0x05 wich is also free:
src/edmac-memcpy.c
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x05;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0452mx31r43pegx/ML_britom_10_Sep_2013_.zip
Updated here too: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Hopefully we get less pink frames. Still need to test from 0x07 to 0x15
Built from 1% repository https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/overview
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :P
gonna try this
thx
Hi,
I have one question regarding fps override.. How do i change the fps when shooting raw?
and btw my first raw video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdtS1HShJa0
www.mikhailbphoto.com
Not different than you would with a regular video. Do you have the new autoexec.fir 1% recently release?
Check post #854
Quote from: britom on September 10, 2013, 10:08:17 AM
Here's a build using 0x05 wich is also free:
src/edmac-memcpy.c
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x05;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0452mx31r43pegx/ML_britom_10_Sep_2013_.zip
Updated here too: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Hopefully we get less pink frames. Still need to test from 0x07 to 0x15
Built from 1% repository https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/overview
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :P
Hello!
Can I install last updated version without previos version on my 7D - like clean install?
Thanks.
Quote from: carniolus on September 10, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Hello!
Can I install last updated version without previos version on my 7D - like clean install?
Thanks.
I have in the past. Clean install and copy new files to card.
Quote from: feureau on September 10, 2013, 05:09:50 AM
How about this: http://www.mediafire.com/download/xp8bpb8pgek5svd/%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip
Also, dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvm3lr7qzz7wof4/1%25%20Sept%209%202013%20%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip
Thanks, media fire worked on the first try! Filedroper cut out every time.
Just bought a Lexar 1000x CF... can't wait to test it :)
Some problems that i found using the latest build from 1%:
-My card is slow, so i record at 1728x736 / 2.35:1 Sometimes it give's me continuous recording, something not. Maybe need warming up the card...
-Wend turn on the camera fps override don't show up but after change some settings in ML menu it shows up and i can enable and chose the fps that i want. If i use the .fir and update it will show the fps override as should be. Know everytime that i turn on the camera i got the option for fps override. But don't know if works good because i can record with a higher resolution in x5.
-Wend i record with x5 it only record the zoom and the dng's it will be with the same resolution, 1728x736. I try with raw and mlv and it's the same. I formatted the card and use eoscard and then just copy the last build to the card and the same happen. I always disable the x10, maybe because of this? Will do more test for see if it's from there.
-I have just manage to record real x5 with fps override one time, i chose 23,976 but wend i start to record just show up saying 20.and something fps.
-In fps override what option i should pick, for getting 23,976 after i chose my fps? Low light, Exact fps, low jello, 180d or hijello, fastTv?
-It's not possible to get better quality in the x5 black & white preview?
*Amazing work and for sure huge challenge for 1% :D
Great work. This thing is getting sweeter and sweeter.
I don't understand the fps overide mechanism very well, but it seems to me that it will drop fps and even shutter speed to suit its purposes, so I just choose "exact fps" hopefully to lock on the fps.
Yes, i also choose "exact fps" but it will record at 23.976 (i chose that) or with "exact fps" will record at 24 fps ?
Exact FPS is the nicest.. it gives you 23.976, only works when you load the fir, no way to change that yet. You have to change your resolution to be higher when switching to 5X mode otherwise it will record at the same res you picked for normal LV.
No real way to speed up or better the overlay preview.. thats as fast as the camera can make it... this is how fast any "real time" compression or image manipulation would work.
QuoteI always disable the x10
Until I find a fix I'd say disable it, doesn't play nice with the display filters.
Thank you master one percent. You rock big time :D
I fixed the audio too now.. except I have to make the "headphone" thing clear the screen... maybe just cache hack it from detecting in the first place? All the other features appear to be working, was a little bit of trouble since I couldn't correctly fake the audio task.
P.S. I found out how to get into 10x....
Turn on display filters and go in/out of the mL menu then zoom in... also you can do it with the grayscale preview on the same way. Getting out is a little harder... not convenient so far but useable. Really weird bug.
I think i will thank you 5 in 5 minutes :D
Is it just me or there is no motion blur while recording raw video...like there is no motion blur at all... Even if I drop the shutter speed to like 50 . . .?
So I got arrow shortcuts back + force LV and its working with audio... didn't check while recording... I guess for headphones you can just plug in to monitor and then unplug for now.
It doesn't seem like there is motion blur but a lot of rolling shutter... I took some stuff walking around yesterday and it looks better than 50D, both the short 2k clips and the normal LV ones. I think resizing + the sensor is slightly better, wish it performed as well.. I've still yet to see an 80Mb/s
http://www.filedropper.com/7daudiocontrolsfirbin
Check and see if anything except 10X is broken.
So... I follow these threads and got lost in some of the technical info... With 1% build, I see an autoexec.fir file... how do I use that? I read that is for the fps override.. and have to run manually? I put it on my card and I see that option so I'm not sure I understood it correctly.
With 1% new build above, I can record audio with the raw file? how would I use it?
Thanks so much.
QuoteWith 1% new build above, I can record audio with the raw file? how would I use it?
I tried... it loses wav data... record a wav from the sound recorder at the same time and you'll see. It would have to be rewritten to use edmac_memcpy_ *AND* probably use different edmac channels.
But H264 audio should work and so should wav audio (even if its grayed out bitching about canon audio). So you have sound recorder/ wav + h264/ embedded H264.
Quoteread that is for the fps override.. and have to run manually?
The normal bin boots at start, you can do non master things... ie record raw, take photos/etc. To get FPS override (etc) to work you have to go run "firmware update" and it will restart + load on the master and slave together.
Quote from: 1% on September 10, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
The normal bin boots at start, you can do non master things... ie record raw, take photos/etc. To get FPS override (etc) to work you have to go run "firmware update" and it will restart + load on the master and slave together.
forgive me for asking one more question, how does one verify if FPS override actually working?
I'd say there are 2 ways, see if the video hack menu says video hacks not available in this release (rpc is off, fps doesn't work) and/or turn down the FPS to like 2, you should see lag.
Thank you so much 1%!!!
I'm very new to the raw feature. Does the FPS override apply to shooting 60fps or is that still controlled by selecting 720 recording function? Thanks
Mediafire link for 1%'s latest build posted in case people having problems with filedropper again: http://www.mediafire.com/download/84yvko04277zcfp/1%25_Sept_10_2013_%5B7D%5DAudioControlsFirBin.zip
EDIT: Also, crash log: http://www.mediafire.com/view/sxemqozmaukn4vu/CRASH00.LOG while trying to record raw with global draw off, the Live view won't zoom in to 5X. Hit play button, and half shutter to go back to liveview, zooms in to 5x, then hit record. Crash.
Global draw off system wide? What preview mode?
60fps is still 60fps mode but I guess you can record it at 24P if you like moire.
So I'm getting higher speeds with quality set to raw even thought the buffer is smaller. Tops so far was 78.6 with shrunken LV and another hack.
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
Global draw off system wide? What preview mode?
Not system wide, just disabled from the raw video module.
preview mode ML Grayscale.
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
So I'm getting higher speeds with quality set to raw even thought the buffer is smaller. Tops so far was 78.6 with shrunken LV and another hack.
That is awesome. :D Is this in the last build you posted? (mein card tops off at 55mb/s :()
I've been trying to cheat the bandwidth by recording at 720p60 mode but shooting at 1728 and stretching the pic 1.4x in post...
Has anyone been getting black bars such as these to the right when shooting at 2.5k? http://i.imgur.com/KvXBGoX.jpg
I'll see what happens with ML grayscale if disabling it while recording... works on other cameras but maybe not here?
With the image I'll have to check, sounds like skip right is wrong in zoom?
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 12:36:56 AM
I'll see what happens with ML grayscale if disabling it while recording... works on other cameras but maybe not here?
With the image I'll have to check, sounds like skip right is wrong in zoom?
Thanks! :D I don't know what's wrong with the image though. It used to work just fine before this...
I've set aspect ratio to 2:35. The white crop box appears to be correct for this. My preview is set to hacked. When I press record the crop box disappears. What is the proper setting to retain the crop box?? Thanks for your help !!
Audio question. How us quality. Or should I just be recording on external device and sync in post.?
Trying to trick the camera into getting higher res in 60P so tried it in crop mode.
Set canon menu to 60P
engaged crop mode, set FPS override, but FPS only allows 30 fps max in crop mode even if canon menu is set to 60p.
So 30P will always be the max with crop mode?
Ok, found the bug and some other things... fps override cuts your write down.
The mystery with 10x is semi solved.... the YUV becomes 720x56... in essence it breaks. Is this a bad thing tho? Without fps override in 10x no yuv I got 81 MB/s.
... so its possible to do call("lv_hd", 697); and set fps for 5x, then you can record at 80MB/s... but the image is damaged in zoom mode.. in normal LV its ok to record like this but no point.
So in theory the camera can write to do 1080P+ continuous like 50D.
So all this chasing of crop mode yet the camera seems to record a LARGE chunk of 1728x1152 with maybe some moire in non crop. Normal LV with 24fps.
Played with 5x crop mode:
2048x872
2.35:1 ratio
fps override 23.976fps
Processed DNG with ACR in AfterFX then final output from PP.
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 03:17:36 AM
Ok, found the bug and some other things... fps override cuts your write down.
The mystery with 10x is semi solved.... the YUV becomes 720x56... in essence it breaks. Is this a bad thing tho? Without fps override in 10x no yuv I got 81 MB/s.
... so its possible to do call("lv_hd", 697); and set fps for 5x, then you can record at 80MB/s... but the image is damaged in zoom mode.. in normal LV its ok to record like this but no point.
So in theory the camera can write to do 1080P+ continuous like 50D.
So all this chasing of crop mode yet the camera seems to record a LARGE chunk of 1728x1152 with maybe some moire in non crop. Normal LV with 24fps.
That is great news! :D
I thought 50D can only go 1.5k or so...
The crop mode looks very good though. I wonder if it can just be automated without having to go to zoom first.
Btw, does anyone know how to batch convert the MLVs on a windows machine? Drag and dropping a bunch of files to mlv2dng only convert one file. :(
when will be available stable version raw rec..? alpha 3 or somthing that..sory for my ang..:)
Can i ask 1 thing?
When the 7d RAW will be available in firmware mode, as an easy way to install? ::)
I can't get it to work (macbook pro).
thank you.
I know that 7D is 1729x972 RAW. this is a sub hd output and I do not know if it useful for professional use.
but RAW have better detail than h264.do you believe that 1729x972 RAW upscaled to 1920 is better than a native 1920x(X valor) in h264 native? or the image is less sharper, blurred?
thx for help.
Its available in firmware mode already, if you feel like it you don't have to run the bin/bootflag it.
Why 1792x9 something... you can go all the way to 1792X11xx... that's larger than HDV.
I'll post the new raw_rec/mlv_rec soon, that crash was annoying.
Quote from: feureau on September 11, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
I've been trying to cheat the bandwidth by recording at 720p60 mode but shooting at 1728 and stretching the pic 1.4x in post...
Has anyone been getting black bars such as these to the right when shooting at 2.5k? http://i.imgur.com/KvXBGoX.jpg
Same here... using a 32gb 400x card (works great so far even at about 36mb/s on card ) No bar on the side but, I did notice a small slice of a black bar at the bottom when scaling from 720 to to 1080 to see some quality difference... Just at 1x too and I upscaled at about 18%, got rid of it at 20%
(sorry no pics, but the black bar was slim and was only on the bottom)
Quick Question.
My girlfriend is doing an outdoor static trapeze performance on friday and i would love to use raw to record it, the "professional" videographer used a old camera that did it 480i for her last performance and i was pretty pissed.
Its going to be about 4 and half minutes long. I have a 16gb sandisk Extreme card (not extreme pro). Even recording in 720p24 would be fine if 1080p24 would be a problem. Is any of this feasible at this point. Thanks for the noob help.
Quote from: Brawl on September 11, 2013, 03:31:27 PM
I know that 7D is 1729x972 RAW. this is a sub hd output and I do not know if it useful for professional use.
but RAW have better detail than h264.do you believe that 1729x972 RAW upscaled to 1920 is better than a native 1920x(X valor) in h264 native? or the image is less sharper, blurred?
thx for help.
The 7D can already record at higher resolutions than that but if the question is about upscalling in general then yes even back when we were locked to 600 vertical res it was still a much cleaner less blurry and artifact free image when upscalling to 1080p compared to h264 compression, I would not go back to using h264 professionally after raw.
Most profesionals in the film industry wont touch a camera that doesnt support raw, the whole point of getting a camera with raw support is for professionals who need a lossless image to work with.
Quote from: watsonjohnwatson on September 11, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Quick Question.
My girlfriend is doing an outdoor static trapeze performance on friday and i would love to use raw to record it, the "professional" videographer used a old camera that did it 480i for her last performance and i was pretty pissed.
Its going to be about 4 and half minutes long. I have a 16gb sandisk Extreme card (not extreme pro). Even recording in 720p24 would be fine if 1080p24 would be a problem. Is any of this feasible at this point. Thanks for the noob help.
You should be able to get over 6 minutes of 720p on a 16gb, 1080p is not yet possible.
Be aware that this is still very much in alpha so it might not be the best idea to take footage of an event that can't be repeated as there always a chance something will fail with the build, I would recommend you try the latest build out and get used to it and decide for yourself if its stable enough for what you want to record, finding out on the day would suck.
Quote from: DragonFlame on September 11, 2013, 06:22:42 PM
You should be able to get over 6 minutes of 720p on a 16gb, 1080p is not yet possible.
Be aware that this is still very much in alpha so it might not be the best idea to take footage of an event that can't be repeated as there always a chance something will fail with the build, I would recommend you try the latest build out and get used to it and decide for yourself if its stable enough for what you want to record, finding out on the day would suck.
Thats mostly what i gathered from reading the past thread. 1080p24h.264 is still going to blow the old 480i footage away. Thanks for the clarification.
Ok, here is a less buggy raw_rec
raw_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!BsRFyDAY!bkSIWEiKSMjPonsGu4TF4w-E0Rxf9s_79UFiO5ROdUU
mlv_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!c8o3AD4T!PPesPnZ2hGy_BTg9xIital2sA9QfbOLk9XEYgrYyfts
The 1038 isn't 100% continuous but does a good bunch of minutes... the 1152 isn't bad either. I'd rather be recording that for anything narrative, its so close to 1080P or even slightly bigger in terms of height... I don't see why you would be using 972 unless you have a 128/256 card and really need it to go for that 1/2 hour - 15 minutes. The H264 "1080P" is a manipulation of these sizes anyway... unless you're really against scaling at all.
On 50D the horizontal is 1584 and the vertical stops at 1058... a slightly larger upscale and an older sensor... so I can see zoom mode being better there. On 7D the zoom is mainly useful for 2K.
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
Ok, here is a less buggy raw_rec
raw_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!BsRFyDAY!bkSIWEiKSMjPonsGu4TF4w-E0Rxf9s_79UFiO5ROdUU
mlv_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!c8o3AD4T!PPesPnZ2hGy_BTg9xIital2sA9QfbOLk9XEYgrYyfts
Thank you! \o/
Bonus dropbox link of the same thing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jnale7hy4o4fb9e/1%25%20raw_rec%202013-09-12.zip
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
On 7D the zoom is mainly useful for 2K.
I thought a lot of it had to do with avoiding moire/aliasing due to line skipping in the non-zoomed?
hi guys! sorry but I don't know to much about, can somebody explain to me about "FPS OVERRIDE" ? what is the use of it and how to use it correctly? thanks!!!..
2. How have I to setting my camera to obtein hight quality or best quality recording raw? About The quality in shoots may I do it in JPG-S and S-RAW? Thanks for the help!!! :D
Quote
I thought a lot of it had to do with avoiding moire/aliasing due to line skipping in the non-zoomed?
Yea, but on 7D how much moire do you really get... 6D you point at anything and pretty much get moire (obvious), 7D I've yet to see it. Seems many people are just avoiding it based on the hive-mind nonzoom == moire. Any examples?
Quote from: Jared on September 11, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
hi guys! sorry but I don't know to much about, can somebody explain to me about "FPS OVERRIDE" ? what is the use of it and how to use it correctly? thanks!!!..
2. How have I to setting my camera to obtein hight quality or best quality recording raw? About The quality in shoots may I do it in JPG-S and S-RAW? Thanks for the help!!! :D
I am new too but I think FPS override means just that.. you override the fps that was set by Cannon... let's say you want to record a video at 10fps, without ML and without FPS override, you can't.... or if you want to do time lapse but I'm not sure if that's the main purpose :) another thing I read was that in crop (zoom) mode without fps override, you'd always get 30fps...
I read that you should set the camera to JPG-S for speedy write to the card?
There are two jpg-s modes, the fine-s (the icon that looks like a mountain) and the regular-s (looks like stairs)... wich one should i select?
Any of the jpeg modes free the same amount of memory... any of the raw qualities write the same... look at memory info in the debug menu.
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci. The 5d stuff looked flawless. As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.
The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines. Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.
That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264. The work being done here is incredible.
@1% got it! thanks
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 08:47:56 PM
Yea, but on 7D how much moire do you really get... 6D you point at anything and pretty much get moire (obvious), 7D I've yet to see it. Seems many people are just avoiding it based on the hive-mind nonzoom == moire. Any examples?
I have witnessed pretty bad aliasing in my 1x footage. Haven't tested on patterns specifically.
7D it's full of moire in 1x =(( ...need VAF
Thanx
another question
when shot with the option RAW = 30sec recording at 1280x720 at 30fps
when shot with the option JPG-L = 60sec recording at 1280x720 at 60fps
my question is, raw video quality depends if shot in RAW or JPG-L??
:D
No. Just size of buffer.
Quote from: 1% on September 10, 2013, 09:11:59 PM
It doesn't seem like there is motion blur but a lot of rolling shutter...
Actually I am saying that I think there is no motion blur at all . . . . and that is the bad thing .. because video looks jittery.
I think with H264, if you record fast moving subject or fast moving camera with 1/50 shutter speed (for 25fps) you can see really nice motion blur,
but with the same settings in RAW there is no motion blur at all...
Will test this as soon as I can and will post the results....
Quote from: hbr on September 11, 2013, 10:02:24 PM
Actually I am saying that I think there is no motion blur at all . . . . and that is the bad thing .. because video looks jittery.
I think with H264, if you record fast moving subject or fast moving camera with 1/50 shutter speed (for 25fps) you can see really nice motion blur,
but with the same settings in RAW there is no motion blur at all...
Will test this as soon as I can and will post the results....
are you shooting in crop mode or 1x?
Quotethere is no motion blur at all
Wow, you broke the laws of physics ))
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I no longer have to do a firmware update every time to get the FPS override to be available, right? When I shut down the camera and turn it back on, I still see the FPS override. I haven't tested to see if it works, but the fact that it's still there seems to imply that I don't need to do a firmware update every time. Can someone confirm this?
Quote from: 1% on September 11, 2013, 08:47:56 PM
Yea, but on 7D how much moire do you really get... 6D you point at anything and pretty much get moire (obvious), 7D I've yet to see it. Seems many people are just avoiding it based on the hive-mind nonzoom == moire. Any examples?
I'm still waiting for my CF card/reader... hopefully it'll arrive tomorrow! Takes forever to ship overseas :\
So I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but I saw it fairly often in regular h.264. Enough that I learned my lesson to pay more attention to wardrobe and insist on no thin lines.
If consistent 24fps in crop mode is a realistic goal, and it solves this problem definitively, I think it's worthwhile to focus energy on it, but whatever you enjoy working on should take priority imho :)
Quote from: stevelucky on September 11, 2013, 10:23:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I no longer have to do a firmware update every time to get the FPS override to be available, right? When I shut down the camera and turn it back on, I still see the FPS override. I haven't tested to see if it works, but the fact that it's still there seems to imply that I don't need to do a firmware update every time. Can someone confirm this?
That's what I thought too... but the fact that the option Video Hacks aren't available and when changing to lower frame rate, you won't see any different, it means it wasn't loaded and won't work correctly... (thanks to 1% to point these out to me)
@ted ramasola
I noticed that both in 1x and crop mode . . . will definitely do some serious testing to see if I am tripping . . .
@Rewind
Ok . . . much less noticeable motion blur ;-) but you all got my point ;-)
This new raw_rec module is more buggy in terms of stability on my camera than previous. Often, when the buffer fills and recording stops camera is restarting, and everytime (three tests;)) there is error log for that:
QuoteASSERT: 0
at Memory\Memory.c:578, task RscMgr
lv:0 mode:3
Magic Lantern version : v2.3.NEXT.2013Sep10.7D203
Mercurial changeset : 6ee6bdc1b66f (unified) tip
Built on 2013-09-10 19:14:01 UTC by user@D610.
Free Memory : 358K + 2469K
What is good - after few tests there are no pink frames (despite my slow 400x lexar card) as they appeared in previous versions:)
When i push blacks up in ACR vertical stripes appear in shadow areas. I know it's because of canon sensor (changing settings in canon image menu has no effect) and one of the solutions for that is dual iso but AFAIK it doesn't work with video in 7d. I read (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5614.msg42678#msg42678) that there are some corections for that in raw2dng.exe also, i recompiled the code with no correction and there is no difference between corrected and uncorrected image... So maybe corrections are tailored to 5dMk3 dng's?
(http://tomekgajewski.pl/pliki/stripes.jpg)
Thats a memory crash. The stripes suck... they are on digic V too... ADTG shutters help but I think they are on the master on 7D.
Any idea on how I can make it crash? Its stopping just fine for me.. only thing I notice is memory corruption when the card fills.. it beeps and gives a warning.
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 12:28:27 AM
Thats a memory crash. The stripes suck... they are on digic V too... ADTG shutters help but I think they are on the master on 7D.
Yep, I saw it on my friend 5dmk3 footage also...
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 12:28:27 AM
Any idea on how I can make it crash? Its stopping just fine for me.. only thing I notice is memory corruption when the card fills.. it beeps and gives a warning.
I was trying to reproduce it but I couldn't:( Sometimes it just beeps, but everytime recording stops and buffer empty, screen goes black for a while. With some older versions it didn't happen... But as I mentioned, there are no (or less?) pink frames:) So thank you for amazing work!
Its supposed to suspend/resume the LV but not crash... btw I took off compiler optimization completely now so maybe the bins being smaller will help avoid any memory issues here and elsewhere... but it does seem like we should have plenty.. there is 8MB free space running where its running.
QuoteI saw it fairly often in regular h.264.
That has 1 more resize so maybe slightly less in raw.
So whoever shot the 5DIII/7D together, any examples of the problem footage you can post, even just stills.
hello, I'm seriously going in the 7D direction (my indecision is between buying 7D or 600D) but I wish to ask you first one last question please if it's possible. it's about moire and aliasing during RAW shooting on 7D (without cropping) are aliasing and moire the same that we can see with h.264 or are them worst? more ugly?
for aliasing I mean those two effects:
(http://crewofone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/5daliasing1.jpg)
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/pA7uy.png)
and is that true that shooting with 5x zoom eliminate aliasing and moire for 7D RAW?
do you believe that future implementation of the firmware could further improve the situation?
thanks.
p.s. how many gb heavy is 10 minutes videos in raw?
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 01:09:46 AM
So whoever shot the 5DIII/7D together, any examples of the problem footage you can post, even just stills.
I own both, what kind of test do you want me to run?
Examples of this:
QuoteThe 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines.
Because debayer problems do this... I saw the same on 6D + cineform...
Quote from: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 01:31:09 AM
hello, I'm seriously going in the 7D direction (my indecision is between buying 7D or 600D) but I wish to ask you first one last question please if it's possible. it's about moire and aliasing during RAW shooting on 7D (without cropping) are aliasing and moire the same that we can see with h.264 or are them worst? more ugly?
for aliasing I mean those two effects:
(http://crewofone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/5daliasing1.jpg)
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/pA7uy.png)
and is that true that shooting with 5x zoom eliminate aliasing and moire for 7D RAW?
do you believe that future implementation of the firmware could further improve the situation?
thanks.
p.s. how many gb heavy is 10 minutes videos in raw?
Moire is an effect of the sensor, compression doesnt change that. You can decide which is uglier, RAW moire or moire with h.264 compression.
There are optical filters that are placed in the camera house to solve this, they cost a few hundred bucks. Moire will not go away with firmware updates.
Btw, most of your other questions are already on the forum, no need to ask them here.
Quote from: sephiroth on September 12, 2013, 02:36:14 AM
Moire is an effect of the sensor, compression doesnt change that. You can decide which is uglier, RAW moire or moire with h.264 compression.
There are optical filters that are placed in the camera house to solve this, they cost a few hundred bucks. Moire will not go away with firmware updates.
Btw, most of your other questions are already on the forum, no need to ask them here.
thanks I have already found the other info on the forum.
about moire I have not understand why I can decide wich is uglier between RAW and h.264, shouldn't it be objective?
about VAF filter have it been already tested when shooting RAW? does it works for sure with this? I mean I know that in h.264 it works in 1920x1080 but it does not work in 1280x720 if I'm not wrong. RAW shooting is not 1920x1080 so I wonder to know if it has already been tested by someone.
thanks for help
I have definitely seen Alias issues in 1x mode when recording things like fences, brick walls, dense shrubbery and certain types of clothing, color banding/moire ect not so much.
I have pretty much stuck to 5x recording because these issues are literally non existent when using it.
I don't have a VAF filter so I could not tell you if it works.
I find that the aliasing is worse in raw but you don't really see color banding like the image you posted above, I'm guessing to colors have a lot to do with the h.264 compression.
When scaling your footage to 1080p the aliasing is decreased but still apparent.
Quote from: DragonFlame on September 12, 2013, 03:30:18 AM
I have definitely seen Alias issues in 1x mode when recording things like fences, brick walls, dense shrubbery and certain types of clothing, color banding/moire ect not so much.
I have pretty much stuck to 5x recording because these issues are literally non existent when using it.
I don't have a VAF filter so I could not tell you if it works.
I find that the aliasing is worse in raw but you don't really see color banding like the image you posted above, I'm guessing to colors have a lot to do with the h.264 compression.
When scaling your footage to 1080p the aliasing is decreased but still apparent.
thx for help. About moire I watched this video that is one on the best 7D RAW footage on Vimeo.
here is the "uncompressed" video. http://vimeo.com/71649487/download?t=1378950794&v=181231606&s=a8e87c16dcbca691562381a603b3000c
After watching it I believe that maybe RAW on 7D is not usable for professional use. tell me what do you think please.
moire is very present and ugly. look on the statue. and is anywhere but heavy ad I never seen before in any other video in my life.
aliasing seems there as usual maybe looks worse because of the high contrast. you can notice it very well on the carriage take (for one second then it cut to another take).
the moire is a very big problem I see. is possible to correct it in post processing? Please help me to understand I want not to criticize I just want to understand. I just try to argument my fears.
Thx
I haven't encountered any moire in 7d raw with my mosaic filter installed. And I shot a local commercial on it so I think professionals can definitely make use of it.
That video looks great but it was shot in burst mode...that was one of the first video we saw about raw on 7D... maybe there was something different in that mode? I'm only guessing :)
My card became full after a bunch of shooting a bunch of MLV raw video and I wanted to delete a couple files in the File Manager to make some space. I deleted a couple files but it still told me the card was full. I went into the File Manager and the files that I had deleted weren't in there anymore so I was confused. I took the card out and checked it on my computer but those files were still on the card. It seems that the delete function in the File Manager isn't working properly. Can anyone confirm this?
I just tested with both RAW and MLV and I was able to delete from the File Manager in ML... though it was only 2-3 files...
It doesn't update the file catalog until you reboot.. don't remember if it lets you start shooting anyway.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 06:45:44 AM
I just tested with both RAW and MLV and I was able to delete from the File Manager in ML... though it was only 2-3 files...
And did you pull the card out and verify in your computer that the files were
actually deleted?
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 07:17:08 AM
It doesn't update the file catalog until you reboot.. don't remember if it lets you start shooting anyway.
It was updated in the File Manager, but it still said the card was full. When I put the card in my computer, the files were still on the card.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 05:45:54 AM
That video looks great but it was shot in burst mode...that was one of the first video we saw about raw on 7D... maybe there was something different in that mode? I'm only guessing :)
thx, what I have to watch to see how does RAW really works today? what is burst mode and which is the common method?
Quote from: ericjolley on September 12, 2013, 05:15:59 AM
I haven't encountered any moire in 7d raw with my mosaic filter installed. And I shot a local commercial on it so I think professionals can definitely make use of it.
are you sure it's the mosaic filter that give the boost? maybe it could be the same with or without?
can you show me some footage please? that would be definitely what could make me buy the 7D. :)
thx
If your willing to record in 5x mode then you will never see moire or alias issues, I'm considering getting a filter soon to test the performance with 1x mode but I'm almost certain that it will just decrease but not completely remove it in 1x mode.
As for professional use I would ask what camera alternative at the same price range would you consider?
I don't know of any I would like to buy that can do what the cannon cameras can atm and not break an average consumers wallet, if you can afford a 5d3 then yes it will be a better option but its also a lot more expensive for what I consider minor improvements, I would only recommend people spend the extra if you have cash to throw around, the black magic is another but I personally hated the camera design even tho the image is reasonable.
Am I planning to use the 7D professionally? Yes indeed I will be, have I yet? No not yet due to some limitations that are mostly just due to the fact the firmware is in alpha and needs some love which I'm happy it has been getting a lot in the last month.
Quote from: codypowers on September 11, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci. The 5d stuff looked flawless. As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.
The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines. Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.
That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264. The work being done here is incredible.
Sorry I have not understand (because English is not my native language), are you saying that you have not tried yet the 7D with VAF filters right?
This filter is my last hope. I cannot shoot in 5x because of space limitations.
Quote from: DragonFlame on September 12, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
If your willing to record in 5x mode then you will never see moire or alias issues, I'm considering getting a filter soon to test the performance with 1x mode but I'm almost certain that it will just decrease but not completely remove it in 1x mode.
As for professional use I would ask what camera alternative at the same price range would you consider?
I don't know of any I would like to buy that can do what the cannon cameras can atm and not break an average consumers wallet, if you can afford a 5d3 then yes it will be a better option but its also a lot more expensive for what I consider minor improvements, I would only recommend people spend the extra if you have cash to throw around, the black magic is another but I personally hated the camera design even tho the image is reasonable.
Am I planning to use the 7D professionally? Yes indeed I will be, have I yet? No not yet due to some limitations that are mostly just due to the fact the firmware is in alpha and needs some love which I'm happy it has been getting a lot in the last month.
I agree with you on the price factor but I need to wash that moire and aliasing (seen in that video) off if I want to work with this. I'm going to spend 700 euros, I never have spend so much money before to be honest. I need to know if with 200+ euros for a VAF filter then I can work with this camera. It's almost 1000 euros in total.
is there a way to delete the RAW files from within the camera or at least cancel/delete the current recording ? This would be really useful
Quote from: kh3naz on September 12, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
is there a way to delete the RAW files from within the camera or at least cancel/delete the current recording ? This would be really useful
yes you can delete using the file manager
Ok so I was half right/half wrong about the motion blur....
So, there is noticeable motion blur while recording in raw, but after a few tests I figured that the motion blur while recording RAW is indeed a bit smaller than on H264, with the exact same settings.
Maybe I am so used to watching H264 and now RAW looks odd to me... Anyway here is a quick test on this:
http://s11.postimg.org/qthvd9vxv/Untitled_1.jpg (http://s11.postimg.org/qthvd9vxv/Untitled_1.jpg)
finally read the 40 pages and am up to date. Great work all seriously good stuff.
just a quick question: - since the last update (britom's build using 0x05) when I try to record normal video the controls freeze and I cannot stop record. Need actually to remove the battery. Any solution on that one?
- how do you do the 3x crop?
thanks guys,
Pedro
There was a bug like that with audio till I fixed it.
It won't stop saying card full because the catalog (separate from the file system) doesn't update till you reboot.
I'm not sure why but with 1% build I can't shoot continuos with with 2.20 aspect ratio 17some 7some, which I could before with my sandisk 8gb 60mb.
Now i can shoot continuously with 2.67 aspect ratio an not thicker. Any idea?
Quote from: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 09:31:17 AM
are you sure it's the mosaic filter that give the boost? maybe it could be the same with or without?
can you show me some footage please? that would be definitely what could make me buy the 7D. :)
thx
Brawl, Here is a video I did with the Mosaic Filter installed. All the images looked pretty clean to me. Hope this helps.
Quote from: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 07:43:03 AM
And did you pull the card out and verify in your computer that the files were actually deleted?
I just did a test by recording 3 files and then deleted it via the File Manager in ML, then took the card out and verified in my PC that those files are gone.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
I just did a test by recording 3 files and then deleted it via the File Manager in ML, then took the card out and verified in my PC that those files are gone.
Alrighty then. It must be me. Maybe... I don't know but I'm sure I must have done something wrong. :-[
Quote from: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Alrighty then. It must be me. Maybe... I don't know but I'm sure I must have done something wrong. :-[
maybe a different version of File Manager module?
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
maybe a different version of File Manager module?
It was from the most recent posted build.
I'm curious as to the naming convention of RAW files. I was shooting for a few hours yesterday (only MLV raw video, no stills or h.264) and when I came back to check my files, there were interesting gaps in the numbers. My files would look something like this:
M11-1618.MLV
M11-1619.MLV
M11-1620.MLV
M11-1622.MLV
M11-1623.MLV
M11-1624.MLV
M11-1642.MLV
M11-1643.MLV
As you can see there are some interesting gaps in the numbering. I didn't delete these files. The file numbers just skip from 1620 t0 1622 (there's no 1621). Or from 1624 to 1642. There's a whole bunch of missing numbers in there. As I said, I didn't delete any files. I may have shut my camera off in between shots (and reload the firmware when it booted back up to get the FPS override), but that's about it. Is that weird? I would think it should be perfectly sequential.
Quote from: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 06:09:44 PM
I'm curious as to the naming convention of RAW files.
The naming is related with the time of recording, it is not a sequential number. i.e. 1618 = 4:18 pm
Quote from: codypowers on September 11, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci. The 5d stuff looked flawless. As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.
The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines. Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.
That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264. The work being done here is incredible.
Did you use a LUT when you were processing in Resolve? I have found the exact same ugly fringeing when using "Hunter's LUT" with my 7D raw footage. If I turn the LUT off and then process manually it seems to go away. Also, if I process through AE it is even cleaner (but this is the slowest possible way to work). I wonder, if this is a debayering issue, why 5Diii footage would look ok and if there is a way to change it.
question image quality wise is there a difference between raw and mlv?
Also do you still have sometimes a pink frame in mlv?
Which is more stable?
Just wondering.
Also:
just a quick question: - since the last update (britom's build using 0x05) when I try to record normal video the controls freeze and I cannot stop record. Need actually to remove the battery. Any solution on that one?
- how do you do the 3x crop
thanks guys!
MLV = slower with meta data
RAW = faster, no meta data
Other than that pretty much identical.
thank you glorious 1%
any idea about my crash? Is that normal?
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 12, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
The naming is related with the time of recording, it is not a sequential number. i.e. 1618 = 4:18 pm
Ahhhh, that makes sense. Thank you very much. It would be nice to have the option to choose how the shots get numbered. Sequential numbering makes much more sense if you're trying to keep track of your shots.
For the crash upgrade to a newer build... sound recording was freezing H264 till I fixed it.
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 07:17:22 PM
For the crash upgrade to a newer build... sound recording was freezing H264 till I fixed it.
So I disabled Raw Video and recorded H264, but as soon as I hit Record, it displays on screen Audio disabled... how do I enable it?
Thanks.
First of all HUGE THANK YOU to 1% for continuing the development!! I have one doubt.. you said earlier that headphone monitoring was *quite* working?? I didn't understand completely.. I don't have all the adapters for the canon cable.. but as soon as I connect the usb into the camera the screen goes black.. is it possible or still no?
Thanks!!
Ok, this should fix motion detection.. uses edmac 05 like britcom. Wav menus are in audio like they should be.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DEDM05MotDetectFix.zip
As to headphone, yea it works but I have to figure out how to unblack the screen since its on the master... and its double hard because I want it to work in non fir mode. The only adapter you need is the one that came with the camera + an RCA to female headphone jack converter.... I guess you could feed it to anything though.
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Ok, this should fix motion detection.. uses edmac 05 like britcom. Wav menus are in audio like they should be.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DEDM05MotDetectFix.zip
As to headphone, yea it works but I have to figure out how to unblack the screen since its on the master... and its double hard because I want it to work in non fir mode. The only adapter you need is the one that came with the camera + an RCA to female headphone jack converter.... I guess you could feed it to anything though.
Awesome... I see the Audio menu to record separate wav file now... will test it!
EDIT: test result (Thanks 1%)
1. Disabled Raw: record H264, it splits out a WAV file and a MOV file (I have option of "separate" wav file set)
2. Enabled Raw: record raw, it also splits out a Wav file but no audio recorded.
The WAV file from #1 has some pops mixed in with the audio... so weird... not sure what caused it... I tried to remove it but couldn't..."click removal filter" in Audition doesn't help any.
when i try to load fir on your new release i got this erro mesage and camera freeze.
Update file cannot be found.PLease check the memory card and reload the battery and try again.
I have to remove the battery.
If i replace the fir with the fir from first realase,then after the upfate i'ts finised the screen goes black end camera refuse to responde.
Re download... it was signed as 5DII... I'll check for pops, maybe its a bug.
no change ,same update error.
updated with latest build. Successful. havent tested audio yet.
I am finding the popping (sounds like a tazer).. to get rid of it you can record a blank track and invert but I have to see wtf its going on.
Make sure you take the sym file/fir/bin from the newest.. you may be getting a cached copy.
edmac 05 seems better as i havent seen any pink frames in my slow transcend... can anyone confirm?
I use to delete evrithing from the card befor i put new version on it
sym file its 36,2 KB date 12/09/2013 13:13
autoexec fir its 415 KB date 12/09/2013 13:15
autoexec bin its 407 KB date 12/09/2013 13:13
This ones i have on my card end stil not update.
Ok, well I fixed the popping.. it was configuring audio too often. I'll just rename it and upload.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DPopStop.zip
I should probably do some checks to make sure it only configures like this after coming out of play mode, but it works OK. See if edmac memcpy wav plays nice with recording really high bitrate video or if it holds it up. Theoretically it will be done copying wav data faster.
Quote from: Rabbity Jack on September 12, 2013, 06:37:53 PM
Did you use a LUT when you were processing in Resolve? I have found the exact same ugly fringeing when using "Hunter's LUT" with my 7D raw footage. If I turn the LUT off and then process manually it seems to go away. Also, if I process through AE it is even cleaner (but this is the slowest possible way to work). I wonder, if this is a debayering issue, why 5Diii footage would look ok and if there is a way to change it.
I wonder if it's due to the 14bit depth that the 7D footage has. As far as I know, Resolve only handles up to 12? Correct me if I'm wrong. I was having the same issues until I processed the footage through ACR in AE. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to go from 14 to 12 though. Maybe after you flatten your footage out, you can compress to a 10bit codec for working on your color grade.
Quote from: codypowers on September 11, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci. The 5d stuff looked flawless. As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.
The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines. Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.
That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264. The work being done here is incredible.
Posted this accidentally on another post, meant to go here:
I wonder if it's due to the 14bit depth that the 7D footage has. As far as I know, Resolve only handles up to 12? Correct me if I'm wrong. I was having the same issues until I processed the footage through ACR in AE. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to go from 14 to 12 though. Maybe after you flatten your footage out, you can compress to a 10bit codec for working on your color grade.
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
Ok, well I fixed the popping.. it was configuring audio too often. I'll just rename it and upload.
so it can be downloaded from the same link (above) ?
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 10:25:21 PM
so it can be downloaded from the same link (above) ?
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
Ok, well I fixed the popping.. it was configuring audio too often. I'll just rename it and upload.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DPopStop.zip
I should probably do some checks to make sure it only configures like this after coming out of play mode, but it works OK. See if edmac memcpy wav plays nice with recording really high bitrate video or if it holds it up. Theoretically it will be done copying wav data faster.
QuoteI wonder if it's due to the 14bit depth that the 7D footage has.
You can try raw2cdng, its in another thread.
@1% After switching to "Separate wav" is it possible to auto-reenable audio recording when selecting "Normal" again?
Heh, that would make sense. Should figure that out.
Like Normal/Wav/Off
Ok, firmware update it's working now with the latest popstop release.
Thanks
Ok....so I'm using the ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4 build right now. Can someone please tell me the changes in this new build please? From what I understand the additions are.....
1. fps over ride for 5x ie record at 23fps instead of thirty
2. the ability to record audio ???
are there any other changes to note...CHEERS !!
Shortcuts (ie ISO/Volumes)
Display Filters
Force LV works
Audio Controls *(just missing screen on)
reslock/edmac 05 (so no pink frames, I've yet to see any)
Dialog Timers hack (77-81MB/s) also the "dead" 10x seems to help without fps override
That's all off the top of my head...
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 11:49:06 PM
Shortcuts (ie ISO/Volumes)
Display Filters
Force LV works
Audio Controls *(just missing screen on)
reslock/edmac 05 (so no pink frames, I've yet to see any)
Dialog Timers hack (77-81MB/s) also the "dead" 10x seems to help without fps override
That's all off the top of my head...
'
Thank you.
Is this the latest build with everything on it ?? https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DPopStop.zip
Can this be dragged onto the card to replace files or do I need to clear the card and start new?
You only need autoexec bin, fir and the modules.
Quote from: 1% on September 13, 2013, 12:02:46 AM
You only need autoexec bin, fir and the modules.
THANKS again !!!
until now no pink frames
Quote from: 1% on September 12, 2013, 06:47:16 PM
MLV = slower with meta data
RAW = faster, no meta data
Other than that pretty much identical.
Wait, is this how it's supposed to be? I always find that the raw_rec records much slower than mlv_rec. On my 60MB/s sandisk, the raw_rec records at 41MB/s while mlv_rec at 50MB/s.
Did I inadvertently switched something up?
Out of curiosity, what is the possibility of setting DIGIC ISO gain on the 7D?
Is it just something that no one has looked at or is it one of those things that is hard on the 7D?
EDIT: Maybe the wrong thread for this.
Quote
until now no pink frames
You got one?
Best speeds (eg 80s) are:
D Timers disabled before LV
Hacked No preview + dead 10x
GD off (in module) + small hacks
No FPS override
2nd or 3rd record should jump up to 81 or so if your card can put out.
QuoteOut of curiosity, what is the possibility of setting DIGIC ISO gain on the 7D?
Eventually... its on the master. HDR video is there too... but I can't just memory browser around the master nor is it easy to send commands there.
7D == 5DII == 50D
HI Friends
My question today is..., how do I record audio and video??
thanks for your reply!!!
for now you have to use an external recorder and sync using the beep.
thanks @ Ted Ramasola
I thought that with the new build of 1% could do this.
English is not my language and sometimes I do not understand
the new audio features is "mostly" intended for h264 recording AND monitoring.
Quote from: 1% on September 13, 2013, 02:02:23 AM
You got one?
With this last version no but before yes.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 13, 2013, 02:28:17 AM
With this last version no but before yes.
Well, maybe but sort of impossible, but probably doable.
TL;DR - All I know is that my gut says maybe.
@1%
Report on sep12 build.
Benchmarks in playback mode.
Same, compared to aug30 by britom. No noticable increase via benchmarks.
did 9 short clip takes.
4 clips in crop mode 1920 x 1080
5 clips in 1x mode 1728 x 1036
3X
clip 1= corrupt frame # 2
clip 2= corrupt frame # 2
clip 3= corrupt frame # 3, 12
clip 4= corrupt frame # 7
1X
clip 5= corrupt frame # 3, 7
clip 6= corrupt frame # 5, 7
clip 7= corrupt frame # 9
clip 8= corrupt frame # 7, (and somewhere halfway)
clip 9= corrupt frame # 13
Perhaps by reporting the patterns where they come out will help you in troubleshooting.
The test clips where done soon after the benchmark test, so the CF card would have been warmed up already.
I also ran some test on 7D+Lexar 1000X. Used Sep 12th build.
Speed:
I had been keeping track of recording speed and this build is the fastest with speeds as good as Alex build for 7D. I also tested the mlv_rec and was slightly slower.
Regarding speed the strange thing is that I got a bit faster speeds at cropped mode.
Highest recording speed at 1728x972 at 29.97 and cropped was 77.2 MB/s
Pink Frames:
Only got pink frames at 60 and 48 fps video.
Video Quality at ISO 400-800:
Raw DNG has lots of hot pixels (red) and other colors too.
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
When compared to 5D3 videos I could notice a little more noise but comparable sharpness and color.
7D frame out of ACR 8.2:
(http://s20.postimg.org/na87dsyb1/7_D_frame.jpg)
5D3 frame out of ACR 8.2:
(http://s20.postimg.org/m97yoohbh/5_D3_frame.jpg)
I really wish that, one day, somebody will, accidentally maybe, find a way to change that LV's line skipping from taking out 2 lines out of 3 lines to taking out 1 line out of 2 lines, then we can have more resolutions.
Thanks 1%. The pop from the sounds has gone. This might be small and not crucial as the data still intact but whenever I import the WAV file into Audition, it gives me a warning saying the META DATA found but is corrupted and cannot be read. It's just annoying, but maybe you were aware of this :)
Thanks again for all your hard work!
The way its set up right now is it throws the wav header into the front of the file so length/etc are all wrong. Thats why they show 6 minutes and do funky things like that.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 04:39:50 AM
I also ran some test on 7D+Lexar 1000X. Used Sep 12th build.
Speed:
I had been keeping track of recording speed and this build is the fastest with speeds as good as Alex build for 7D. I also tested the mlv_rec and was slightly slower.
Regarding speed the strange thing is that I got a bit faster speeds at cropped mode.
Highest recording speed at 1728x972 at 29.97 and cropped was 77.2 MB/s
Pink Frames:
Only got pink frames at 60 and 48 fps video.
Video Quality at ISO 400-800:
Raw DNG has lots of hot pixels (red) and other colors too.
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
When compared to 5D3 videos I could notice a little more noise but comparable sharpness and color.
7D frame out of ACR 8.2:
(http://s20.postimg.org/na87dsyb1/7_D_frame.jpg)
5D3 frame out of ACR 8.2:
(http://s20.postimg.org/m97yoohbh/5_D3_frame.jpg)
Do you have Davinci Resolve? It would be interesting to compare your files processed that way for each camera. I want to get to the bottom of this fringeing issue I'm seeing.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 13, 2013, 02:20:35 AM
for now you have to use an external recorder and sync using the beep.
Hey Ted.....is there a beep function in the ML menu ?? Cheers.
In: Raw Video menu>Sound>sync beep
My comments on several on-going issues that keep coming up:
Color Fringing: I too have seen this ONLY when using DaVinci Resolve. I believe 1% figures it's a debayering issue in Resolve. Makes sense. I do not see it using ACR/After Effects or Cineform/GoPro Studio.
Moire Issues: The only "solution" to a line skipped sensor is to : A, not line skip aka crop mode or B, use the Mosaic Engineering VAF filter. As I went over in this thread, I use the VAF filter and it works great and does not degrade the image.
The "Banding" Issue: I only see these bands when the image ISO is pushed beyond 400 ISO. All camera systems have limits and/or things you must avoid...Unfortunately for 7D owners, this may be one of them.
Absence of Motion "Blur": This one is a puzzler, maybe I'm misunderstanding. All the RAW footage I've shot has a fair amount of "Motion Blur" and not as much "Rolling Shutter" as it seems to have in h.264. Maybe just another limitation we'll have to deal with.
Maybe, just maybe if we're real patient and lucky, the ML software gurus will solve all of this. I'm confident.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 04:39:50 AM
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
If you use After Effects to import the DNGs, ACR open up automatically when importing.
Quote from: Rabbity Jack on September 13, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Do you have Davinci Resolve? It would be interesting to compare your files processed that way for each camera. I want to get to the bottom of this fringeing issue I'm seeing.
No.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 04:39:50 AM
Raw DNG has lots of hot pixels (red) and other colors too.
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
When compared to 5D3 videos I could notice a little more noise but comparable sharpness and color.
@RenatoPhoto
you could tell, the way you're using to process the raw video?
ACR as exporting to vegas?
your using RAWanaizer to process the raw file or raw2dng?
as you export from the ACR to tiff?
thanks for your help!
Quote from: Jared on September 13, 2013, 02:05:10 PM
@RenatoPhoto
you could tell, the way you're using to process the raw video?
ACR as exporting to vegas?
your using RAWanaizer to process the raw file or raw2dng?
as you export from the ACR to tiff?
thanks for your help!
Open the DNG with ACR.
Take out sharpening, standard is 25 I set it to 0
Add Luminance from 0 to 50
Adjust white balance with AUTO
I may do some adjustments under Tone curve (highlights, lights, darks, shadows)
Save all the DNG as TIFF
Import the TIFF into video editor (Vegas)
Adjust noise (NEAT VIDEO)
Add sharpening after noise reduction, use Convultion Kernel
Change Color Curves if required.
Export video
P.S. I am now using Rawanizer to do a first automatic generation of video for a quick look. I put the latest raw2dng.exe in the Rawanizer directory to make sure I am getting the latest conversion tool. Finally if I decide that the video is good enough for further process then I do the ACR to TIFF process using the dng generated by Rawanizer.
Some more details here:
RAW Video: PostProcessing -- Beginners Guide --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
why do you transform DNG into TIFF?
Keep up the great work!! ;D
Quote from: JCBEos on September 13, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
why do you transform DNG into TIFF?
You could convert to jpeg, but TIFF gives you more latitude if you need to adjust exposure in the video editor. TIFF is higher quality more bits and is uncompressed.
Further discussions on this topic (NOT 7D) please go here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Blackmagic just released the beta version of Resolve 10 for download on their website. I've read that there are some new features that can help defringe raw footage, like input PTZR, among others. I'll give it a try as soon as I can!
Hi all,
This doesn't have to do with RAW video per se, but as best as I can tell this is still the best place to ask this question:
Does exFAT >4GB file size-recording work on the 7D yet?
(this doc seems to suggest that it should: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5 )
If so, which ML version or build should I be using?
My primary goal (at least right now) isn't RAW video, but extended record times recording normal old h.264 (longer than 22 minutes or whatever the normal 4GB limit is).
If exFAT does work with the 7D, has anybody done it? What's the process for getting it installed?
Any advice is appreciated!
7D does not support exfat. You can however use auto restart to let the camera automatically restart recording h264 video after 4 gig is reached. There will be a 1-1.5 sec gaps between clips.
Damn.
(thanks for the response though!)
In that case, should that Google doc be updated? At the moment it says that the 7D does support exFAT...
For what it's worth, I tried the following process, and it didn't work :(
Here's what I tried:
- I did a complete ML install process using a FAT32 card and confirmed ML was working on the 7D
- I reformatted the CF card to exFAT in Apple Disk Utility
- I ran MacBoot again just to make sure the card was still bootable
- I recopied all the necessary ML files back onto the root of the CF card
- I put the card back in the camera, turned it on....
... and got the "this card is not readable" error.
Womp womp.
Does anyone know if Metabones Speedboster for EF mount will be available? Would be great on crop 5x mode.
Quote7D does not support exfat.
7D *does* support exfat, its in the FW strings. But 7D doesn't want to let you use it on cards under 128GB. I think this would need an actual firmware patch which I'm unsure how to do... in theory it would gain some speed.
I have been looking around and found that actually the purple fringeing is a common problem with Resolve and RAW data - it isn't a 7D problem specifically. There are some tutorials for mostly fixing it but I think from what I can see in experimenting that Resolve 10 is already doing a better job with this than 9. Time will tell.
Quote from: Rabbity Jack on September 13, 2013, 07:40:51 PM
Yes, I have been able to record clips longer than 4GB. Just tonight I recorded a 9GB test clip that was automatically broken into three files which Raw Magic combined with no problems at all. (used the Sept 12 build)
That doesn't help, because the auto-start leaves gaps in the clips. I need continuous clips with no gaps.
Quote from: 1% on September 13, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
7D *does* support exfat, its in the FW strings. But 7D doesn't want to let you use it on cards under 128GB. I think this would need an actual firmware patch which I'm unsure how to do... in theory it would gain some speed.
Iiiiinteresting.... so exFAT would work on 128+GB cards? 1%, do you think the process I used above would work if I used a 128GB card?
Muchos gracias!!
Possibly, I don't have one to test but I see the exfat strings... maybe there is a way to fake out the camera and make it think the card is 128gb... also dunno if fir will run from 128gb cards.
Quote from: ChrisContiPhoto on September 13, 2013, 07:43:56 PM
That doesn't help, because the auto-start leaves gaps in the clips. I need continuous clips with no gaps.
I was talking about RAW recording, sorry. I realised afterwards that this is about H264 continuous recording. For RAW it just keeps on going without a pause.
Don't forget about upside down but no rush. I don't test new version to check it out, so I am not sure if it is fixed or not.
What happens to upside down mode? I noticed it was disabled, worked on other stuff like forceLV and audio... It could be another master/slave issue.
Hi 1%,do you think audio monitoring through usb will be possible in the future?
question does 7d support exfat?
Quote from: alsey7 on September 15, 2013, 08:31:39 AM
question does 7d support exfat?
Quote from: 1% on September 13, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
Possibly, I don't have one to test but I see the exfat strings... maybe there is a way to fake out the camera and make it think the card is 128gb... also dunno if fir will run from 128gb cards.
is there a tool for osx like RAWanizer to make proxy for faster review and selection of footage before processing with ACR or DaVinci. I use RAWMagic testing 7d DNGs last build has a lot of pink frames but that is due to I guess my slow 400x card i cont. mode I think its fine.
You can use ligthroom or any viewer
I use Adobe Bridge.
There's also an Adobe "codec" to view DNGs in the explorer.
OK, I know I suck for asking this since it's asked before, but I finally got my CF card (128GB 1000x komputerbay) and reader (fcr-hs3 kingston) in the mail and I hope to be able to finally play with ML tonight :D
1) How do I benchmark the card to know it's not a dud?
2) Is the right way to grab the latest build to compile the stuff from 1%'s repository somewhere? If so, where is that repository located? If not, here's the sucky question- where is the best place to grab the latest build?
Thanks in advance
Quote from: dmk on September 15, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
OK, I know I suck for asking this since it's asked before, but I finally got my CF card (128GB 1000x komputerbay) and reader (fcr-hs3 kingston) in the mail and I hope to be able to finally play with ML tonight :D
1) How do I benchmark the card to know it's not a dud?
2) Is the right way to grab the latest build to compile the stuff from 1%'s repository somewhere? If so, where is that repository located? If not, here's the sucky question- where is the best place to grab the latest build?
Thanks in advance
1: Card benchmark in ML menu. Or if you like, there's a read/write stress test app out there that can stress test your card. It might break the card if you got a bad copy.
2. Check out the build thread linked in britom's signature.
Long-time reader, first-time poster. Was using the official alpha 2 build for the last few months but longed for the FPS Override feature my better half has on her 60D, so this morning I took the plunge and installed the auto boot and 1%'s build from 9/12. Two things I noticed:
- RAW Video shows up twice in the Movie menu
- FPS Override appears to be functional in the Movie menu (I can turn it on and set it up) but my 7D isn't actually recording at the lower framerate :(
Anyone know why?
Quote from: sonicgoose on September 15, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
Long-time reader, first-time poster. Was using the official alpha 2 build for the last few months but longed for the FPS Override feature my better half has on her 60D, so this morning I took the plunge and installed the auto boot and 1%'s build from 9/12. Two things I noticed:
- RAW Video shows up twice in the Movie menu
- FPS Override appears to be functional in the Movie menu (I can turn it on and set it up) but my 7D isn't actually recording at the lower framerate :(
Anyone know why?
1. have a look in menu at module section end disable raw_rec or mlv,if they are both of them enabled
2. fps override will work just if you go in canon menu end select update firmaware.Have to be done everytime you torn on the camera.
Quote from: szigiszmund on September 15, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
1. have a look in menu at module section end disable raw_rec or mlv,if they are both of them enabled
2. fps override will work just if you go in canon menu end select update firmaware.Have to be done everytime you torn on the camera.
Thanks. They were both enabled but I didn't realize I'd still need to manually update the firmware to make it work. I thought the autoboot meant that wasn't necessary. So now I've got it working but when I stop recording the live view freezes. I had read that pressing Menu twice would unfreeze, but that doesn't work for me. However, pressing Menu THREE times causes the camera to reboot and returns things to normal. Out of four tests, one required me pulling the battery to kill the live view.
disable 10X zoom in ML menu as its the one causing the freeze.
You can also press the play button if you freeze in crop/magnify mode.
I read almost the entire thread, however information is much fragmented, so I couldn't manage to get a full picture.
Therefore I have few questions.
1. As for the 1% build from 12/09/2013, should it be installed instead of the 7D beta2 build, or alongside it?
2. With the latest raw build, does the 7D records actual video in raw mode, or series of still frames that should be mounted together into video file?
Quote from: Joshua_G on September 15, 2013, 08:00:09 PM
I read almost the entire thread, however information is much fragmented, so I couldn't manage to get a full picture.
Therefore I have few questions.
1. As for the 1% build from 12/09/2013, should it be installed instead of the 7D beta2 build, or alongside it?
2. With the latest raw build, does the 7D records actual video in raw mode, or series of still frames that should be mounted together into video file?
1. 1% build from 12/09/2013
2. series of still frames that should be mounted together into video file
Thanks.
Well series of still frames isn't exact... it use to only have burst and make individual frames.
Now it records a .raw file you convert to frames or video.
lol, well, that was a dud for the 128gb komputerbay... benchmark hovered between 80MB and 20MB read speeds (in photo/playback mode with global draw off). Then the card wouldn't even format .
Now to wait another month for international shipping while they (hopefully) replace it... :'(
On the positive, I was able to record a few frames in MLV before it died and got some green pixels which might be useful for debugging.
Picture here (this was shot in very little, terrible light, just pointing at my desk- and then bumped heavily up in after effects- no noise reduction or anything like that. didn't expect to be posting it anywhere, was just an initial test):
(http://i.imgur.com/rRcwuz3.jpg)
*sigh*
Since you have a 128GB card.... will the camera recognize it when formatted exfat?
1% so i got a 32 Komputer bay 1000X CF so its possible to format in exfat. instead of fat32? and if it supports in how do i format? yes i have window7 and reformatted in exfat then when into eoscard and installed aplha2 ( all the normal things to have a working ) but my 7d cant find it says card not supported. thanks again
Quote from: alsey7 on September 15, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
1% so i got a 32 Komputer bay 1000X CF so its possible to format in exfat. instead of fat32? and if it supports in how do i format? yes i have window7 and reformatted in exfat then when into eoscard and installed aplha2 ( all the normal things to have a working ) but my 7d cant find it says card not supported. thanks again
exfat only (probably) supported (right now) for 128gb+ cards
Hi, my daylight raw test with build from 1% :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpQyofEKcsI&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ
I'm asking KB how to make the 64gb card pretend to be a 128gb to the camera so we'll see what happens... besides that the only other option is a firmware patch.
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 15, 2013, 07:01:21 PM
disable 10X zoom in ML menu as its the one causing the freeze.
You can also press the play button if you freeze in crop/magnify mode.
I disabled 10x zoom but the freezing persists, only when I stop recording video with FPS Override turned on. Pressing Menu twice or pressing Play once have no effect. My only solution now is to pull the battery.
@ 1%
For your information the autoexe.fir file does not work with the latest compiles form https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
It works with the provided modules and autoexec.bin from the [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip
I would like to know if it is supposed to work or not. Currently when I do the firmware upgrade the camera freezes in the sensor cleaning step.
Quote from: 1% on September 15, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
Since you have a 128GB card.... will the camera recognize it when formatted exfat?
Can't do anything with it anymore since it died, but while it was alive- no, it didn't work when formatted on the computer to exfat (even when I tried copying all the files/folders over in case it was a missing structure issue)
it require reformatting in the camera (i.e. to fat)
I didn't try formatting to fat in the computer as a test though
Just received a 32Gb 1000x Lexar CF
is there some tests that I can do to help you, 1%?
Can someone tell me how should I do to film in raw with my 7d.
Quote from: arbergjoni on September 16, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Can someone tell me how should I do to film in raw with my 7d.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0)
For what it's worth, Komputerbay tech rep was extremely helpful and kind on the phone. Even giving me some tips to setup magic lantern for shooting raw :)
Due to this great service and the competitive price, I'm going to give them another shot. It's great to deal with a company like that, and despite my first dud, I'd recommend them for anyone here (I think it's a very similar mindset to ML- willing to take a little risk and much patience to get great footage on a tight budget). Will report back when I have my new card (will be a while due to international shipping both ways) ;)
Yea, they seem nice. Probably a little confused as to what I'm asking tho :)
so far 2 x 64 UDMA7, tons of writing and no issues.
Has anyone tried the Transcend 64gb 1000x? Thinking about buying a couple of those instead of risking the Komputerbay lottery.. :)
https://vimeo.com/74673892 my raw test
Quote from: edingacic on September 17, 2013, 04:25:52 AM
https://vimeo.com/74673892 my raw test
Looks nice! I like it!
Quote from: dmk on September 16, 2013, 10:17:01 PM
...will be a while due to international shipping both ways ;)
Hey dmk, where did you order the card from ? I've seen the Komputerbay cards on Amazon but they won't ship one to Australia >:(
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 16, 2013, 03:44:46 AM
@ 1%
For your information the autoexe.fir file does not work with the latest compiles form https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
It works with the provided modules and autoexec.bin from the [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip
I would like to know if it is supposed to work or not. Currently when I do the firmware upgrade the camera freezes in the sensor cleaning step.
Bump.. Sorry
I am wondering if the autoexe.fir from [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip can be used with the recent builds I have copiled from: https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
I assume the answer is no because it does not work. But I just want to make sure in case that I am doing something wrong.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 17, 2013, 01:54:46 PM
Bump.. Sorry
I am wondering if the autoexe.fir from [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip can be used with the recent builds I have copiled from: https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
I assume the answer is no because it does not work. But I just want to make sure in case that I am doing something wrong.
Maybe this autoexe.fir from 7D is specific for the 7D and not 6D (which is the build you copied from)
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 17, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
Maybe this autoexe.fir from 7D is specific for the 7D and not 6D (which is the build you copied from)
Thanks for your explanation, but as far as I know /tragic-lantern-6d/commits is the general directory for all of 1% work and the 7D work is done from the same directory.
Quote from: arctic-char on September 17, 2013, 12:39:56 PM
Hey dmk, where did you order the card from ? I've seen the Komputerbay cards on Amazon but they won't ship one to Australia >:(
For initial shipment- I think you're right, they don't ship internationally (though maybe there's an expensive option to make it happen, try calling them). Luckily, my Mom lives in Texas :)
For replacements- they ship internationally for free/cheap (you might need to pay extra for tracking/expedited)
If its labeled 7D its 7D, if its labeled 6D then its 6D :)
So, maybe I don't understand how RAW works exactly, but I'm curious as to how color profiles are handled. I typically use either the Cinestyle or Prolost flat color profile when I'm recording. As I've been tryoing to grade my test RAW footage, I've noticed that it looked a whole lot more saturated than I thought it should so I just did some comparison shoots in RAW and H.264. The H.264 (seen on top) looks flat like I would expect it to while the RAW footage (seen on the bottom) looks super saturated. Does RAW not apply color profiles?
(http://f.cl.ly/items/0a1V1s2p3z3p3y2i0p0U/compare.jpg)
Quote from: stevelucky on September 17, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
So, maybe I don't understand how RAW works exactly, but I'm curious as to how color profiles are handled. I typically use either the Cinestyle or Prolost flat color profile when I'm recording. As I've been tryoing to grade my test RAW footage, I've noticed that it looked a whole lot more saturated than I thought it should so I just did some comparison shoots in RAW and H.264. The H.264 (seen on top) looks flat like I would expect it to while the RAW footage (seen on the bottom) looks super saturated. Does RAW not apply color profiles?
RAW is RAW.
Hence why the color profile isn't "baked" in.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 02:41:27 PM
Open the DNG with ACR.
Take out sharpening, standard is 25 I set it to 0
Add Luminance from 0 to 50
Adjust white balance with AUTO
I may do some adjustments under Tone curve (highlights, lights, darks, shadows)
Save all the DNG as TIFF
Import the TIFF into video editor (Vegas)
Adjust noise (NEAT VIDEO)
Add sharpening after noise reduction, use Convultion Kernel
Change Color Curves if required.
Export video
P.S. I am now using Rawanizer to do a first automatic generation of video for a quick look. I put the latest raw2dng.exe in the Rawanizer directory to make sure I am getting the latest conversion tool. Finally if I decide that the video is good enough for further process then I do the ACR to TIFF process using the dng generated by Rawanizer.
Some more details here:
RAW Video: PostProcessing -- Beginners Guide --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
What's convolution kernel?
Also, when you use ACR, does it still flicker when you adjust the lights/darks? And can you set the camera profile? Mine only shows Embedded, can't select adobe standard, camera neutral, etc...
Pardon me for interrupting. I am using one of 1%'s builds (I don't quite remember which one exactly, because there are so many of them, it is the one that cannot play back raw video), initially it has got plenty of ERR on the shoulder screen, after overhearing that 1%'s camera, which is equipment with CF cards faster than mine), was working fine, I started to suspect that those crashes are related to write speed, so I reduced to the maximum resolution that the old firmware, which is before the great FPS override, can sport with my poor old CF cards, and the result was a bit encouraging, only 1 ERR error the whole afternoon shooting for fun. And later I tried to boot the camera with a large preload like 512mb, the ERR error was just gone, with several test shots. It was a miracle. Thanks 1% for your good work.
Btw, I found that the autoexec.fir only needs to be flashed once, and the camera just FPS overrides fine afterwards.
corrects some grammar
Quote from: arctic-char on September 17, 2013, 12:39:56 PM
Hey dmk, where did you order the card from ? I've seen the Komputerbay cards on Amazon but they won't ship one to Australia >:(
Take a look on Ebay. I just ordered one from there and it came promptly - I had to pay about 20 bucks for shipping but it was a lot cheaper than Amazon.
I found this tutorial in another thread when I was having debayering problems with Resolve and thought I would share here. Resolve 10 seems to have fixed that issue but I still get some very ugly colour moire between tree leaves etc when shooting in full sensor mode (even ACR/AE doesn't do away with that). This simple trick fixes it amazingly well.
https://vimeo.com/68459408
Quote from: feureau on September 17, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
What's convolution kernel?
I found convolution kernel to be an excellent tool for sharpenning video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28image_processing%29
I use it with Vegas pro 12
https://www.google.com.ec/?gws_rd=cr&ei=15Q4UqO-LI_e4AP20YHYCA#q=convolution+kernel+vegas+sharpenning
Quote from: feureau on September 17, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
Also, when you use ACR, does it still flicker when you adjust the lights/darks?
I use Tone curve adjustments available in ACR (second tab after the Basic) and get no flicker.
Quote from: feureau on September 17, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
And can you set the camera profile? Mine only shows Embedded, can't select adobe standard, camera neutral, etc...
On the bottom of ACR you will see the camera profile in blue colors. If I click i can change profile
Quote from: PressureFM on September 17, 2013, 06:27:24 PM
RAW is RAW.
Hence why the color profile isn't "baked" in.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. The color profile doesn't really matter, does it?
Quote from: stevelucky on September 17, 2013, 07:53:48 PM
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. The color profile doesn't really matter, does it?
Even white balance doesn't matter either )
Quote from: 1% on September 17, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
If its labeled 7D its 7D, if its labeled 6D then its 6D :)
Maybe a bit of confusion in here. The binaries to follow the 7D development are here:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
You even said so and I have been compiling 7D from these binaries. See below
Quote from: 1% on September 08, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
QuoteWhich binaries can I clone to follow your development?
Its all in the 6D repo but the caveat is that the dual bins must be signed. Still haven't figured out ADTG logging on the master side for shutter. I got HDR working... but it flashed in LV only, i know where it is on the master but dunno how to do MEM(address)+X and have it land on the master via RPC.
Hello everyone. I'm new user from Poland.
Today I tested RAW 60 f/s in the normal 16:9 video mode is flattening the image horizontally (1728x694) and crop x 3 mode is normal (1792x 1008) but does not record 60 frames only 30 f/s
Is this normal ?
You are posting on the wrong thread. This is development thread for 7D not a: General Help Q&A (right area to ask help questions)
You will find all of the answers in the Guides written here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=49.0
Got my Komputerbay 64GB card yesterday. What Read/Write speeds should a card like that show in the benchmark? I got like 46MB/s on a 2048 chunk.
Recording 1x1 on 1728 stopped with a Frameskip after some seconds. Second try didn't stop and went on fluently.
Before heading to bed i tried recording 1920 in 5x crop mode, but that stopped recording after the first frame.
Right now i remember the hint to set jpg quality to S. Does that improve recording? Global draw had been set to off.
FPS Override Firmware was loaded and FPS were set to 25.
Build was the latest test build from 12.09.2013
No RAW on my 7D(Version：magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2 )
Where do you download?Thanks
Hey guys, I finally got some time to continue testing ML on my 7D. Here are a few observations:
Recording at 1728x972 works continuously at both 24 and 25 fps with a 64GB KomputerBay 1000x CF card. This is good! However, if I have global draw enabled during recording, I get corrupted frames every now and then. Also, if I have software focus peaking enabled, I can't record continuously. It this because software peaking is sucking up too much CPU?
DIGIC peaking (hardware peaking?) works great, and allows me to record continuously at 972p while it's on. I'd like to use the edge detect peaking variant, but don't want it enabled all the time -- only for checking focus. I can half-press to get back my preview, but what I'd really like is to invert this behavior. In other words, half-press turns on DIGIC peaking.
I can record for a while (not continuous, unfortunately) at 50p at scope-ish aspect ratios. However, there is some bad aliasing with red/blue shifts. It's the same type of aliasing you notice with an unmodified Canon DSLR prior to the 5D Mark III. This doesn't seem to be an issue when recording up to 30p. Why only 50p and up?
Looking good so far. I almost feel comfortable using this on a shoot! I'd be interested in seeing how well RAW 5D3 and 7D cut together.
Quote from: longyanhd on September 18, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
No RAW on my 7D(Version：magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2 )
Where do you download?Thanks
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Not sure if I'm reading this right. When you record raw (mlv) at 5x (zoom) the frame rate is 30fps.
In order to change it to 23.976 do you have to go into the Canon menu and change the firmware ?
I'm using the Sept 30th update which is autoboot. I just copied the files from the newest update that provides the fps change.
What is the reason (benefits) to record at 5x and what is the proper way to get fps to work. Cheers !!!!
U need to update with the last versions from 1%. After this turn on you camera and update the firmware for you get the the fps override option to work.
In the ML menu, movie, just put the disere fps and use the exact fps option also. Using 5x you can get 2k, igher resolutions and without skipping frame, no moire or other undesired things =))
For now it's the only method that we have to have some functions work on the 7D, like fps override.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 18, 2013, 02:12:52 PM
U need to update with the last versions from 1%. After this turn on you camera and update the firmware for you get the the fps override option to work.
In the ML menu, movie, just put the disere fps and use the exact fps option also. Using 5x you can get 2k, igher resolutions and without skipping frame, no moire or other undesired things =))
For now it's the only method that we have to have some functions work on the 7D, like fps override.
Thank you...will give it a go. Cheers !
Are these cards going to make any difference for the 7D?
http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010 (http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010)
Quote from: dpmaia on September 18, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
Are these cards going to make any difference for the 7D?
http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010 (http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010)
I think that's going to be a whole lot faster than the write speed capabilities of the 7D. At that point the camera is the bottleneck.
Is there a way to shoot in 1080 60p h264 with fps override?
Thanks.
strange. when i switch to 5x mode i can maximum record about 30-40 frames then recording stops because of skipped frames. :(
i'm having severe frame skipping issues now with the new card. can't get it to recording without skipping frames any more. at any FPS may it be 23,79, 24, 25 or 30. 5x or 1x. tried different resolutions. at 1920 i can't get beyond 10 frames or so.
pretty much out of ideas what could be wrong..
once the camera had locked up when switching to 5x mode and starting recording. couldn't reproduce it though..
did some more tests. seems like the infotext when switching resolutions is pretty correct. when it's green i can continuosly record. so where does this thing gets its information from? seems like my card doesn't make any more than around 70mb/s? or is my cam too slow?!
when switching to 5x mode i really have to lower resolution. not even close to beeing able to record in around 1920.
once even liveview froze.
also changing zoom seems to slow down recording even with global draw off. maybe that magic zoom does interfere here?
Is there anywhere I can download some raw footage from to test the Workflow before I install?
I cant seem to find it anywhere and I apologize if it is staring me in the face. :P
Been reading the forum a few day's now and some amazing work going on by the Magic lantern community, and I would just like to say thanks.
Don't know if anyone got it for download but i think that in vimeo you can find and download it :)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 18, 2013, 11:16:35 PM
Don't know if anyone got it for download but i think that in vimeo you can find and download it :)
Ok cool. Will take a look. Cheers.
For users of RAWMagic and raw2dng: I did some tests with and without the vertical stripes correction code, and I get a cleaner result from 7D RAW footage when this correction is bypassed. I will add the ability to disable the correction in the next RAWMagic update (as of now it is always enabled).
Quote from: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 01:09:30 AM
For users of RAWMagic and raw2dng: I did some tests with and without the vertical stripes correction code, and I get a cleaner result from 7D RAW footage when this correction is bypassed. I will add the ability to disable the correction in the next RAWMagic update (as of now it is always enabled).
Hi Thomas, the rawmagic it's only for mac?
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 19, 2013, 02:01:07 AM
Hi Thomas, the rawmagic it's only for mac?
At the moment, yes. I have a CLI version that runs on Windows, but no GUI yet.
over all having fun with ML my new addiction
a raw shoot i took
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzGJO4uzubk&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 01:09:30 AM
For users of RAWMagic and raw2dng: I did some tests with and without the vertical stripes correction code, and I get a cleaner result from 7D RAW footage when this correction is bypassed.
Can you upload a small raw file that shows this?
Quote from: a1ex on September 19, 2013, 07:01:51 AM
Can you upload a small raw file that shows this?
Layer these two images on top of each other, then turn the top one on/off and you'll see the difference. This is zoomed in about 400%, I believe.
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5a9f/8bjux3fnl4il7g9fg.jpg (VS On)
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6478/usofobjks2hhh5nfg.jpg (VS Off)
This is repeatable with any RAW file as long as the image is pushed hard during color correction (as was the frame above).
Back then I've disabled the correction in dark areas for similar reasons:
* At very dark levels, you will introduce roundoff errors, so don't correct there
... pa > black + 64 ...
Maybe this threshold needs adjusted or computed dynamically?
¿Can anybody share two video frames (dngs if possible) taken with the 7d, one with the VAF filter on and one off? I'll be forever thankful :)
Thanks to all developers for their hard and amazing work.
I recorded almost 5 min long continuous raw video twice. First with, and Second without external monitor. That one with hdmi monitor had a lot of pink frames. The second test, without monitor had not, even one pink frame :).
Is there any possibilities to record using external monitor without having broken frames?
I used KomputerBay 64 GB 1000x CF
Format: 16:9, 1728 x 972
I had the same issue earlier using ML when recording H.264, so maybe it's not fixable at all.
Quote from: a1ex on September 19, 2013, 07:46:26 AM
Maybe this threshold needs adjusted or computed dynamically?
I'm of the opinion that image processing should be avoided altogether if it isn't absolutely necessary. In the case of the 5D3, the code is needed and works well. So, my thought was to auto-enable the "VSC" code when the 5D3 or other cameras that need it are detected. For other cameras like the 7D, it is bypassed. This should also save a little CPU, although the cost seems negligible on a fast Mac.
I also think the user should be able to "opt out" if they want to (as was done here, which resulted in a cleaner image).
Quote from: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 02:23:22 AM
At the moment, yes. I have a CLI version that runs on Windows, but no GUI yet.
It would be nice having for windows :D
with the [7d]PopStop version I cannot remove ML from the camera, any ideas?
I am using Britom's Sep 10 build from the repo (which has playback RAW video function in the RawVideo submenu), when I shoot RAW video, pressing the Zoom-in Key ( the "+" key) will make the camera freeze.
Quotewith the [7d]PopStop version I cannot remove ML from the camera, any ideas?
Run boot off fir if you want no boot flag. You don't *have* to autoboot if you're a glutton for button pressing.
Quotewhen I shoot RAW video, pressing the Zoom-in Key ( the "+" key) will make the camera freeze.
10x yuv is broken. You have to press play to go back to 1x. You can record in the frozen zoom too without issue (except no preview).
Quote from: 1% on September 19, 2013, 04:38:47 PM
Run boot off fir if you want no boot flag. You don't *have* to autoboot if you're a glutton for button pressing.
10x yuv is broken. You have to press play to go back to 1x. You can record in the frozen zoom too without issue (except no preview).
I think what I mean was that pressing the zoom key while recording RAW video, the camera showed an ERR message on the shoulder screen and then freezed and crashed. Please excuse my bad English.
Quote from: mucher on September 19, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
I think what I mean was that pressing the zoom key while recording RAW video, the camera showed an ERR message on the shoulder screen and then freezed and crashed. Please excuse my bad English.
This zoom while recording function is not supported. Dont do it!
Quote from: 1% on September 19, 2013, 04:38:47 PM
Run boot off fir if you want no boot flag. You don't *have* to autoboot if you're a glutton for button pressing.
10x yuv is broken. You have to press play to go back to 1x. You can record in the frozen zoom too without issue (except no preview).
Thanks, I guess what I meant was boot flag cannot be disabled in camera via firmware update, it just goes to sensor cleaning screen and everything is still there. No biggie.
Hello,
New in RAW video ML on 7D, i tried pelican build and it's a jowerly, thanks guys!
i've just a little problem , i wonder why in my .mov i 've a big horizontal white stripe ?.
I tried all resolutions.
Thanks you
Horizontal white strip only in h.246 video? In raw don't show up this?
how can i record audio while filming?
just put alpha 2 on and tested low light. 1344x560 i believe. force 18fps 2:3 crop.
Camera<Memory card<RAWMagic<Lightroom (edit - export into full res Adobe .jpg<FCPx<change duration to 1, consolidate clips<touch up more<export to youtube
this is a single fireplace light in the apartment. dont remember everything but i believe it was 800 iso..dont remember shutter or Aperture.
did diff kinda grades and clean ups. some have a fuzzyish ring still in dark and bright spots.. any way to remove?
here is a sample..
shot at 1728 x 1152 on a canon 7d with 24-105 Lens what would i set my crop to i was using 2:3 and it has error code 6. if i use the 1344 like i was i can run continuous for atleast 30 sec-1min (that ive tested) forced 24fps following this TUT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhiQ9D9vyPI
here is a sample daylight and rain..
shot at 1/100 and f/7-9 iso 250-800 depending on lighting or theme.. tried some low light on the bridge too.. enjoy
Camera<Memory card<RAWMagic<Lightroom ( NO EDIT - export into full res Adobe .jpg <FCPx<make project 1280x720 at 24fps<change duration to 1, consolidate clips<color touch ups a little sharpen around 2-5.0<export to youtube ... i feel vimeo captures the true resolution cause we all know youtube is garbage but its more known)
Using:
12/09/2013
► 1% Build updated to commit f9bec4d (https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/all)
Includes a signed .fir version where you can use fps override and video hacks that can be booted via firmware update. (Does not modify your camera.)
From:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
I need to sign a new fir after all these changes but exfat? Is it working for anyone?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8408.new#new
1%, I enabled FPS override for the 7D by commenting out #undef FEATURE_FPS_OVERRIDE in /platform/7D.203/features.h. I now have the FPS override menu, but no matter what I set it to the data rate remains the same when shooting in crop mode. In other words, reducing the frame rate doesn't seem to reduce the amount of data being written. Is it simply being ignored? Is there something else that needs to be done?
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 19, 2013, 06:48:41 PM
Horizontal white strip only in h.246 video? In raw don't show up this?
i got it after i put my file .RAW in raw to dng. It give me a .mov file which has a white large stripe.
does the .MOV is h.264 after processing in raw to dng ?
Thanks you
May I ask and know why we're not included in this build?
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/
I've been reading majority all the Moderators, Developers, Contributors, Administrator and the community on this forum regarding RAW and the new MLV format, seems we've been left behind?
Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just a peasant....
Quote from: Stallman on September 20, 2013, 09:05:37 AM
i got it after i put my file .RAW in raw to dng. It give me a .mov file which has a white large stripe.
does the .MOV is h.264 after processing in raw to dng ?
Thanks you
raw2dng (like the name say) give's u dng's, will never give u mov files.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Quote from: 20thdc on September 20, 2013, 09:42:40 AM
May I ask and know why we're not included in this build?
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/
I've been reading majority all the Moderators, Developers, Contributors, Administrator and the community on this forum regarding RAW and the new MLV format, seems we've been left behind?
Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just a peasant....
If u got everything install good, in the module menu you must load the mlv or the raw module (just one) and then you will have mlv file or raw file.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Btw, is there a MLV 2 CDNG Windows software? AE's processing speed for DNG is anguishing.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 20, 2013, 10:24:34 AM
raw2dng (like the name say) give's u dng's, will never give u mov files.
I took a screenshot, in output i've all dng files in a folder and a .mov file.
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9184/7gtm.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/7gtm.png/)
Awesome find Thomas Worth with the vertical resolution testing. That's almost like raising the bit depth of the recording from a 12-bit (technically a 14 bit) to a true 14-bit image level. Seems like you're getting everything out of the picture. Thanks very much for taking this into account!
Hello everyone, what is the latest stable version for the 7D raw please?
I know that stability is relative .... :)
thank you
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 20, 2013, 10:25:54 AM
If u got everything install good, in the module menu you must load the mlv or the raw module (just one) and then you will have mlv file or raw file.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Thank you arrinkiiii,
I've been testing all the modules you've provided on the link, since Pelican Compiled the module
Why not ours on this link?
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/
Quote from: Pelican on August 10, 2013, 05:47:06 PM
Now I've compiled ML and raw_rec but can't really use...
[ MODULE ] raw_rec.mo
[ STRIP ] raw_rec.mo
[ EXPORTS ] raw_rec.sym
[ DEPENDS ] raw_rec.dep
Will load on:
500D, 50D, 550D, 5D2, 5D3, 600D, 60D, 7D
(http://pel.hu/down/7DMODULES.BMP)
Quote from: mucher on September 20, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Btw, is there a MLV 2 CDNG Windows software? AE's processing speed for DNG is anguishing.
As the moment I'm following their progress on this link
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0
Quote from: Stallman on September 20, 2013, 09:05:37 AM
i got it after i put my file .RAW in raw to dng. It give me a .mov file which has a white large stripe.
does the .MOV is h.264 after processing in raw to dng ?
Thanks you
It will give you .mov(to preview your clips) and dng after using the application.
I recommend using RawMagic(Thomas Worth is working for the new update) to process Raw Format and for the MLV Format this link from nick.p (Reply #34)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.25
Quote from: Idir75 on September 20, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
Hello everyone, what is the latest stable version for the 7D raw please?
I know that stability is relative .... :)
thank you
None at the moment, but you can test the latest module here
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Quote from: Stallman on September 20, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
I took a screenshot, in output i've all dng files in a folder and a .mov file.
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9184/7gtm.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/7gtm.png/)
OK, you are using mac... i just use raw2dng for windows on command line. Wish that Thomas Worth make is app to windows =))
Hi,
Thank you everybody for the amazing work with ML and 7D and also for all the help available in this thread.
My 64GB 1000x Komputerbay CF arrived few days back and I was able to get %1's latest build installed and working with first try. I was a bit sceptical about Komputerbay after reading about a few bad experiences, but after readig about their good customer support and that one guy who ordered 8 (?) cards and not a single one was dud, I decided to give it a go.
(http://i.imgur.com/DbkyqSr.png)
I'm not sure if my settings for the benchmark are right, but apparently the speeds could be worse. Also, after few quick tests I'm able to record continuously at 1728x972.
As for my first application, I've had this forever project to archive some old family super-8 films by filming the frames directly as they pass the film gate of an 8mm projector, with a DSLR and a macro lens. Poor man's telecine. After trying out a few combos of extension rings, objectives and macro conversion lenses, I found a good one that would give me the 8mm frame magnified to fill the 7D's sensor. After some tests with stock 7D and h264 I thought the quality was good if a bit muddy. Here's a framegrab from the .MOV file:
(http://i.imgur.com/9ABrkUR.jpg)
Around the time I was making these tests, I heard the news about ML RAW for 7D. I thought that RAW might make a big difference since the graininess of the 8mm film is probably difficult for the h264 encoding, and the video I was getting was not quite as sharp I had hoped. After installing ML I telecined a short clip and was blown away by the result. Not only can I now actually see the grain, but the ability to properly adjust the colors and even the exposure makes all the difference. Here's a frame grab (DNG) from the RAW video:
(http://i.imgur.com/4bOgfy6.jpg)
I've adjusted the colors a bit and applied some sharpening without too much thought, not necessarily the best settings.. Both are a bit scaled down, the original cropped-to-film-area DNG is 1172x981. The h264 frame looks so bad I've started to wonder if the camera was out of focus, though some high-contrast details look as sharp as on the RAW version.
The project is not complete, I've still got to figure out how to sync the projector and 7D framerates, but I've got some ideas, and now after trying ML RAW I'm sure it's going to be worth the effort.
Anyways, just wanted to check in and give thanks, good work!
Gooday! everyone, I miss you all. Did I miss anything special..........WOW! already this long page.
Anyway, just finished testing the latest build from 1%, THANK YOU again for the contribution you've shared to us.
While we're waiting for the greatest build coming-up, I made something to relax. Feel free to comment.
For who didn't get it... MLV player
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg77575#msg77575
Hi, thanks guys for your hard work on this!
But could anyone make summary of settings of camera and ML. Maybe different thread or sticky post. (And yes I've been reading from the very 1 post, but when I've got my card - now to read 47 pages again...)
My problem is vertical stripes.
While adjusting aperture, doesn't updates in live view, sometimes (just after pressing record and stop).
Edit: Don't know what helped with vertical stripes- because switched to MLV or turned off video hacks.
Not be converted to dng, some of the raw files,But most can be converted.
May I ask where is the problem then.Thank you very much.
A question: better .MLV format or .RAW?
Which are advantages of these 2 types? Thanks.
MLV = meta data + there is a player now.
Raw = no player but faster.
Quote from: 20thdc on September 20, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
It will give you .mov(to preview your clips) and dng after using the application.
I recommend using RawMagic(Thomas Worth is working for the new update) to process Raw Format and for the MLV Format this link from nick.p (Reply #34)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.25
Thanks you, now i'm using RawMagic but i've always this white strip on the bottom.
In silent burst i don't have problems and the render is wondefull ).
Quote from: 1% on September 21, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
MLV = meta data + there is a player now.
Raw = no player but faster.
Always hard decisions ;D
Ok thanks. I shooted in .MLV but I see many dots, and stucks pixel in my raw video file. What's the best, quick and easy way to clean it? Thanks.
Some quick clips at a live performance filmed with one of the modules prior to the .fir one's:
vimeo.com/75093636
graded in Resolve 10, no color fringing on edges. The lite version also allows you to output >1080 now which comes in handy for the 2k+ raw sequences. Still some dead pixels though.
So for .MLV we could set more info on the header of the file... how does one do that? I don't see any option in the ML menu... then another question is, what software is going to utilize those info? would it be stored in the DNG somewhere? sorry if its been asked and answered before...
Check my First RAW video.!
I will make a action film with ML soon. THanks Magic Latern Again.
i'm still struggeling with continuous raw recording. any experiences with raw + 64gb komputerbay cards with what options which resolutions should allow continuous recording? i'm still unsure if my cards doesn't deliver the promised speed or if i'm setting some options the wrong way... what are the best options for 7d at the moment?
i still find it hard to get a decent continous recording because i'm most of the time running into frameskipping due to full buffers.
to me it seems the card is slower than it should be..
@1%: do i have to re-update the .fir when the camera goes into sleep/standby?
quality keeps getting better. with ML i have to learn eveything. I feel i have more control of footage now.
http://youtu.be/5ovq6BU3VB4
How are you renaming .dng sequence? Because some softwares doesn't understand just numbers. Tried XnView - no luck.
This might be a stupid question, but how do you upgrade to latest 1% build?
Quote from: kjetilengstrm on September 22, 2013, 01:38:55 PM
This might be a stupid question, but how do you upgrade to latest 1% build?
With ease. Just overwrite the old ones. I usually delete everything.
Quote from: feureau on September 22, 2013, 01:42:14 PM
With ease. Just overwrite the old ones. I usually delete everything.
Got it ;)
Quote from: 1% on September 21, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
MLV = meta data + there is a player now.
Raw = no player but faster.
I don't mean to contradict, but I mentioned this before and nobody else seems to be experiencing this: In one of my card, the sandisk extreme pro rated at 60MB/s, I can record MLV peaking at 53-55MB/s but RAW only peaks at about 48-50MB/s. (MLV is faster)
Can anyone confirm? Any ideas what's going on? (running that latest bundle from 1%)
Also, defishing keeps giving me err70 now for some reason. I'll post crash log when I get the files out of my camera.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Some workflow:
-Bootflag your camera
-Use EOSCard
-Update with the lastest version from 1% compile by britom
-In ML menu (module) choose RAW or MLV. In movie menu choose the resolution, start record.
-Use mlv2dng or raw2dng for you get the dng's files (depending on what you chose to record, raw or mlv)
-With the dng's open in after effects for work with them.
Quote from: feureau on September 22, 2013, 01:49:09 PM
I don't mean to contradict, but I mentioned this before and nobody else seems to be experiencing this: In one of my card, the sandisk extreme pro rated at 60MB/s, I can record MLV peaking at 53-55MB/s but RAW only peaks at about 48-50MB/s. (MLV is faster)
Can anyone confirm? Any ideas what's going on? (running that latest bundle from 1%)
Also, defishing keeps giving me err70 now for some reason. I'll post crash log when I get the files out of my camera.
This numbers that you get, using MLV is in "normal boot" or you make the update firmware??
Thats nowhere near maximum.
I just redid it and going to re-build soon w/ headphone on master and some of the memory stuff.
1728x1036, raw = 76-77MB/s, MLV = 74MB/s , both continuous. The uptake on mlv rec is faster tho, seems to start writing right away.
i've been further testing the card and raw and it seems i can't get the card beyond around 73MB/s. is that ok or should the card deliver more throughput? with modes with a higher MB/s value the buffer fills up after some 1000 frames or so. as said the the value given in the resolution menu is quite correct - sadly sometimes..
10x zoom locked the cam. had to pull the batteries to reload the cam.
once had a lockup when entering the menu, changing the FPS and resultion and then starting recording. only happend in one out of 20 recordings.
tried different FPS and resolutions. could not reproduce the ERR message i got friday.
need to try raw + peaking again. but there's no peaking without global draw i guess?
Quote10x zoom locked the cam. had to pull the batteries to reload the cam.
Press play.
Quotei can't get the card beyond around 73MB/s
Only way to break into the 80s is have no FPS override and record in that dead 10x mode.
The workflow is very easy.!!!
I'm using batchelor 3 to load footage from my card to my computer.
Check DNGs box. And GO!...
Open Resolve 9 and import footage folder for color correction. Render to quicktime uncompress.
And edited with PR cs 6.
Quote from: 1% on September 22, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
Press play.
ok, will try that. interestingly the cam/display stayed even on even when the cam was switched off - shutter went down, but the display was on.
Quote from: 1% on September 22, 2013, 07:11:57 PMOnly way to break into the 80s is have no FPS override and record in that dead 10x mode.
so the card is fine? wish it was some megabytes faster to achieve some more resolution.. ^^ :-/
do you think we will be getting any closer to full hd resolution with the write speeds due to optimizations and such? i guess the write speed is already maxed out..?
Max is 91, mlv_rec will get better for sure, but we're missing ~10MB somewhere.
Quote from: 1% on September 22, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Max is 91, mlv_rec will get better for sure, but we're missing ~10MB somewhere.
mlv rec only does 1728x694 and no more in y resolution? writing seems to be continous though.
Change the aspect ratio... 1728x103X is continuous for me, the next size up (full) is hit or miss. I zoom mode you can do some 2k*something.
Just a quick and dirty test 1% latest build 12:09:13
*NOTE* just STD quality in vimeo can't afford to pay Premium*
The quality is superved
Settings:
Resolution: 1728x972
Global Draw: OFF
FPS Overide: 23.976
Hacks: ON
Dialog Timers: OFF
Canon Menu: RAW Quality
As I observed this build, I have to reload all the time(The firmware to work properly without any error).
Tried changing the quality in Canon Menu from RAW to SJPEG quality.
RAW(ML Module):
SJPEG=74.8MB/s
MLV(ML Module):
SJPEG:=73.5
USING Lexar 64gb 1000x
Tested previous build from nick and g3gg0 MLV gave me wooping 81MB/s. (GLOBAL DRAW OFF)
You only get 81 with no FPS override. Fir is for headphone/fps/etc, all the master stuff and you have to keep reloading it if you turn the camera off.
ML Raw for the 7D is awesome. See https://vimeo.com/groups/202043/videos/74952341.
Would be helpful for sound sync with external sound recorder to have 7D emit sync beep like the 5d version.
I thank everyone involved with this project and delight that the effort takes place on an open source platform.
Turn on sync beep in the module. Make sure beep is on in the camera.
Quote from: 1% on September 23, 2013, 05:11:55 AM
Turn on sync beep in the module. Make sure beep is on in the camera.
How does it work? I'm fairly new at this :)
Beep is on in camera.
<Enable beeps> in <Beep, Test Tones> is on
The 5D menu has a 'Sync Beep' setting that I could not find on the 7D.
Using the build from 'http://bit.ly/1auyDTd' referenced at http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
MLV doesn't have it, raw_rec does.
Quote from: 1% on September 23, 2013, 05:07:17 AM
You only get 81 with no FPS override. Fir is for headphone/fps/etc, all the master stuff and you have to keep reloading it if you turn the camera off.
First of all Thank you for the new build, unfortunately "YES". Sorry for the lazy mistyping after turning OFF the camera using the "FIR"
I missed you ALL, sorry all I've been away for awhile(Cleaning the house)
Any idea when can we test your new magic build?
30/08/2013 ► nick.p's build with small hacks fixed with g3gg0 raw_rec that outputs .mlv files
http://nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4.zipQuote from: tech411 on September 23, 2013, 05:59:06 AM
Beep is on in camera.
<Enable beeps> in <Beep, Test Tones> is on
The 5D menu has a 'Sync Beep' setting that I could not find on the 7D.
Using the build from 'http://bit.ly/1auyDTd' referenced at http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Movie/RAW video/Sound=Sync beep
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 23, 2013, 05:21:58 AM
How does it work? I'm fairly new at this :)
Sorry if I grab this from DAVE DUGDALE
Getting much closer to being able to use second system sound with 7D Raw.
Got the tone, yea! Got a visual glitch in the video and need to verify that the glitch corresponds with the tone.
Tone is a bit low, okay on a quiet set. Would be an issue doing street filming. Fix could be to move the mike to the 7D speaker and then back to its mount. Two channel recorder, Olympus LS11, Juiced Link preamp and Rode Vid Mic Pro capturing stereo; so no extra channel for a lav pickup from the 7D speaker.
May just end up slating every shot since moving the mike slows down the shot, slate would be a bit quicker.
Ok hello guys.I m a new owner of Canon 7D and newbie.I want to ask how can i record a video with my dslr
and transform it to raw files.I have install ML to my camera but when i shoot i get an H264 video and i think
that is not right and then when i use the HDR Workflow i have jpg sequence instead of dng sequence.
What i did wrong.Please HELP....THANKS A LOT...
Quote from: drako3d on September 23, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Ok hello guys.I m a new owner of Canon 7D and newbie.I want to ask how can i record a video with my dslr
and transform it to raw files.I have install ML to my camera but when i shoot i get an H264 video and i think
that is not right and then when i use the HDR Workflow i have jpg sequence instead of dng sequence.
What i did wrong.Please HELP....THANKS A LOT...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
hi arrinkiiii
you mean that the ML interface i see in the camera is not a good installation and i have to make
all this stuff to get raw files.I have see all these stuffs but i think that copy the ML in my card is all that i
have to do. Maybe im wrong.
Done some shoots yesterday and I had several crashes in crop mode using 1% last build.
The screen started to flicker and then the camera crashed, I had to remove the battery each time to reboot the camera.
I'll check if I'll find some debug logs.
With fir + fps override?
Or did it lock up on card full?
Hi, with mlv2dng is there a way to have a batch process to transform more clips together? Thanks.
Quote from: danistuta on September 23, 2013, 06:20:19 PM
Hi, with mlv2dng is there a way to have a batch process to transform more clips together? Thanks.
I don't think that exist, at least for windows.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
I don't think that exist, at least for windows.
There's a roundabout way of using mlv_dump to convert them to .raw but I couldn't get mlv_dump to work. :(
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
I don't think that exist, at least for windows.
I'm on vacation with a very limited netbook and haven't tested mlv2dng. But one thing I know is command line batching in Windows. Give me the command line switches for mlv2dng, please.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: feureau on September 23, 2013, 07:50:47 PM
There's a roundabout way of using mlv_dump to convert them to .raw but I couldn't get mlv_dump to work. :(
Never used, hope some dev make some app to do more then one file with MLV. Waiting for that :)
A question...in rec mode doing .mlv, is it possible to see white rectangle with frame dimension?
I can see it only before, but not during recording.
Quote from: danistuta on September 23, 2013, 11:17:30 PM
A question...in rec mode doing .mlv, is it possible to see white rectangle with frame dimension?
I can see it only before, but not during recording.
Normally yes, you should. But some times just show up after a little time you press rec button.
Sorry for not reading every post, I have a 50D. We have a shoot on thursday and friday with my 50D and a 7D. Is the 7D build stable enough or should I stick to H264?
Many thanks in advance.
derkiki
Uhmmmm... i think you can record safety... but for sure that you will found some error/crash's. For mega professional work maybe is a little risk. I think the best is experiment at home, record and record until you fill comfortable to see if is reliable or not.
Yes, please please please test at home first.
I've been writing my card over and over today, trying to squeeze a little more write speed out.
The issues I found so far:
Raw Rec: Card full = frame corruption at the end, it warns you. No freeze.
MLV: has disabled the corrupt frame check... it freezes on card full. You have to pull the battery. File seems to be written out all the way. Indicators roll over at ~45GB of continuous file.
Frame #2 (and only frame #2) tends to be messed up in MLV as well.
I think I need to find a way to force update the file catalog after recording is finished... it will tell you there are 8gb free but probably like 2gb free in reality, etc. I'd stop at ~13 minutes with an empty 64GB card.
I switched to write edmac 0x6, did we do this before?.. I'm getting lower total throughput (no 80s in 30P) but higher average + faster ramp up. After 1 record, fullHD LV is continuous @ 79.1 MB/s... MLV & RAW_REC.
Quote from: 1% on September 24, 2013, 12:23:49 AM
After 1 record, fullHD LV is continuous @ 79.1 MB/s... MLV & RAW_REC.
Is needed to warm up the card?
Yesterday i have record normal h.264 and it freeze a lot the camera, need to take out the battery. Tomorrow will make more tests for see if persist.
Quote from: 1% on September 23, 2013, 05:45:49 PM
With fir + fps override?
yes I forgot to write it, but that's with FPS override enabled
QuoteIs needed to warm up the card?
You can, I just do a record first.
H264 hasn't been touched, FPS override?
Its show me the warning for FPS override on turn on camera but this happen with regular autoexec.bat not with firmware update version.
The crash is, everything stop working (freeze with image). Disconnect camera and image still on, needed to take battery. Tomorrow will make more tests to see if happen again, yesterday it happen 3 or 4 times... the first time i think the camera out-disconnect, at least the mirror close and freeze, went to see in canon menu and is off for the option disconnect after chosen time.
And the rest of the times is just freeze after record a few seconds. Tomorrow will check again and more accurate report :D
Wend i use 5x zoom for record, it say 2560 is not possible in current video mode (max 2512) but i just got 2048 under it. The max in zoom mode is 2048? 2K and not 2.5k ?
Hey 1%, edmac 0x6 and 0x06 are the same?. I had tried in edmac 06, and tested only at 1728xwhatever 2:39 ratio... when recording the screen became ultra slow and nothing was written to the cf untill the buffer went full, then it started writing the buffer to cf, all corrupt frames. So for me only 04 and 05 have worked. I have tested Tested from 00 to 06, 10 to 16 and 20 to 21. Maybe i'm missing something because i do not have full understanding of what i'm doing, so if someone can share some link or advice would be great.
QuoteThe crash is, everything stop working (freeze with image). Disconnect camera and image still on, needed to take battery.
Yea, I can replicate it... the problem is from the new memory management. Prev bin didn't have this. Video hacks + other stuff on the master messes with H264. I didn't notice since I've been testing the raw. Prev bin with old memory management is free of this.
Quoteedmac_write_chan = 0x06;
I'm not seeing any corrupt frames except frame 2 on occasion with 30P.
Me neder... only yesterday triyng an steadycam from a friend i noted this. Some times (maybe the majority of the times) i must record with h264... or is because is a bad paying job or is a happybirstday of a friend. But i think for that cases i can just not load ML
All good for the sake of raw ...of course if this can be fix, better :D
Previous bin was OK afaik, I tried it reproducing the bug.
Hey 1%, I tried with your latest code changes (https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/) and it works great with the mlv_rec but with raw_rec the write speed decreased 15 mb/s.
Not a single pink frame, so great work! I hope you release another build with the signed fir soon so we can play with it.
Weird, yea, MLV has been out performing raw_rec on 7D today.. but not on 50D. I didn't notice any drop from the edmac but it does seem slower over all after memory changes when MLV is not.
Signed bins are broken for H264 as you can see above.
Quote from: britom on September 24, 2013, 04:11:53 AM
I hope you release another build with the signed fir soon so we can play with it.
+1
Also I noticed things like autoexec-fir and autoexec-fir.bin files in the platform directory. Is this where the .fir file is created?
Yea, if you make 7DFIR you get the 2 files but you can't sign/combine them.
I released a later one than popstop and it should work if you're only interested in raw. I can make another with the edmac change too.
So this is what I found:
Raw_rec, no FPS, no zoom, timers off, better performance, records full LV.
Raw_rec FPS/timers off 5x or 10x, worse performance
MLV, better all around except the occasional pink at the beginning.
@1%
When you say full LV, does that mean improved/higher horizontal resolution that the 1728 ?
1728x1156, the full image.
Raw_rec
0x5 - better in 5x/10x 1280x1200 continuous here, not on the other
0x6 - better in 1x + MLV overall, maybe fps override too?
Its pretty noticeable.
Quote from: 1% on September 24, 2013, 06:39:16 AM
1728x1156, the full image.
got that. I'm getting varying results at that resolution first got 700+ frames then 300+ then after awhile the LV when crazy,
I heard the mirror come down,
the LV image was frozen and the menu/screen info flashing erratically.
On the top screen of the cam an ERR message flashing . no number just ERR,
1% whats
[7D]MasterHeadphone.zip???
thx can u just update my current built
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 24, 2013, 07:09:31 AM
got that. I'm getting varying results at that resolution first got 700+ frames then 300+ then after awhile the LV when crazy,
I heard the mirror come down,
the LV image was frozen and the menu/screen info flashing erratically.
On the top screen of the cam an ERR message flashing . no number just ERR,
This is exactly the bug that I had.
And can someone try to compile the last 1% version ("Bump edmac on 7D up to 0x06... Now I can record fullHD LV continuously.")?
Thanks :)
This is my test:
Let me know!
Thanks.
i cant find a good converter for MLV none recognize the file.?
can some one tell me a good converter for MAC?
Which one is Better .RAW or .MLV?
also i get only 1472x626 force 24/fps with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio on my LEXAS PROFESSIONAL 400x 32gb UDMA CF card.
thats as high as i can go continuous.
I think we can have the cake and eat it too:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/d92e590b69620394782eed4b272cc14e9d5563e9
Dunno if there are any issues with this yet, so far no.
let's have a taste of that sweet confection. :P
You're my hero 1%! I'm willing to take a risk because I have a 550d as an h264 backup. Will test before. I have 2 32gb Komputerbays, one's behaving like a naughty child. Can you sum up for me real quick how to install on the 7D. Again, sorry, but I can't read all the posts because I have to prepare for the shoot.
Thanks also arrinkiii, love your Marley. Here's a track I recorded with my brother and some friends:
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33739909/German.mp3
Thanks everyone else too. Will post results.
Quote from: danistuta on September 24, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
This is my test:
Let me know!
Thanks.
Looks great! How did you get the turtle to do what you want?
Quote from: 1% on September 25, 2013, 12:12:28 AM
I think we can have the cake and eat it too:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/d92e590b69620394782eed4b272cc14e9d5563e9
Dunno if there are any issues with this yet, so far no.
I have the munchies ::)
Quote from: derkiki on September 25, 2013, 01:45:59 AM
You're my hero 1%! I'm willing to take a risk because I have a 550d as an h264 backup. Will test before. I have 2 32gb Komputerbays, one's behaving like a naughty child. Can you sum up for me real quick how to install on the 7D. Again, sorry, but I can't read all the posts because I have to prepare for the shoot.
Thanks also arrinkiii, love your Marley. Here's a track I recorded with my brother and some friends:
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33739909/German.mp3
Thanks everyone else too. Will post results.
Nice rec :D good family!
Use this
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
And for the updates roll with this
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Quote from: 1% on September 25, 2013, 12:12:28 AM
I think we can have the cake and eat it too:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/d92e590b69620394782eed4b272cc14e9d5563e9
Dunno if there are any issues with this yet, so far no.
This is this?
Quote from: 1% on September 24, 2013, 08:22:29 PM
Only load one raw module. mlv or raw_rec
The next signed build will happen when I figure out the memory error so you can have
headphone/videohacks/fps without it crashing.
Maybe edmac 05 for fir an 06 for bin so you can record full LV on the bin and zoom mode + fps in the fir?
I think soon we will have a build with the fir and bin updated from britom ;D
Thanks wheezel 8)
@derkiki Just give you the links for install the new updates. And in the same time give some info for the 7D users to know what's going one. I already have the new compilation, do you?
Let's go people, no time for S*** ...this is getting better and better :D
I think derkiki was just trying to be an asshole. Anyway, here's a build with the latest changes. Is not signed so fps override and video hacks do not work in this release. When i tested i got no more memory errors and everything is working ok with mlv_rec.
Again big thanks to 1% for his hard work. I'm also wondering if reslock can be fixed to work with this camera or if dual digic is making this harder to achieve.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Edit: Sorry about the "asshole" thing, English is not my mother tongue so i misunderstood you.
When reading 1%'s code, suddenly something comes into my mind. Is it possible to load the whole ML thing into the system memory so to eliminate the need to refer back to CF--assuming that it is the case now, because I don't know if all CF card can do read and write simultaneously
The bin is copied to ram so it only reads at the beginning.
Reslock is supposed to be working.. but it says a lot of edmacs are free, I'm guessing its working on one digic. Its cool I guess because the gui is on there and it does most of the pink frames but the other one might not be?
H264 works in unsigned so really you still wouldn't be without it unless you only boot the fir.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 02:54:44 AM
Thanks wheezel 8)
@derkiki Just give you the links for install the new updates. And in the same time give some info for the 7D users to know what's going one. I already have the new compilation, do you?
Let's go people, no time for S*** ...this is getting better and better :D
I think I love you.
@britom a freshman calls a new user an asshole? Thanks Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love you to dude
@1%
File Manager is not/don't working with mlv files? Thanks for the update and thank you britom for the build :D
Greetings I'm having problems when shooting from build "[7D] PopStop" in MLV
any help?
or any new build?
P.D: Attached Image
(http://i40.tinypic.com/29bolmh.jpg)
Latest updates you can find here
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 06:28:04 AM
Latest updates you can find here
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
THANX @ARRINKI ... have any idea of this problem when i shooting in mlv?
Looks like a corrupted frame, with new build i think you will not have such problem :)
MLV I dunno if I'd trust. I've yet to see a bad frame from raw_rec.
tested the latest build.
2 clips where i was able to start and stop recording -No errors.
1 clip where the recording stopped due to card full had approx 30 corrupt frames in the end.
is this normal behavior?
Continuous recording 1728 x 1036.
Hi folks!
i love filming but lost the fun filming with 7D because of its imagequality... now ML Raw is so exciting i love it! i installed it and took my camera with me to test it. here are the results. i compared 1:1 superflat/1.7K-RAW/2.5K-RAW. please download original from vimeo. i also have put some 1:1 pixel frame comparisons under the video on my homepage. use the slider and drag it to left and right to see the difference.
hope you like it or it helps in some way.
Here are the comparison images and video:
http://www.immortal-arts.at/?page_id=3507 (http://www.immortal-arts.at/?page_id=3507)
here is just the video:
BTW. my card (32GB Kingston ULTIMATE 600x) is too slow. when i hold the camera 100% still and there is less movement in the image there are no pink errors in the image. when i move it fast or the imagecontent changes very much then the errors come. i allready have ordered the 1000x 32GB card everyone recomends. i hope that i can shoot 250f @ 2.5K without errors!
I'm curious as to how accurate the reported speed is during recording. I'm also curious as to wether some frame sizes write to a particular model of card better (sort of like how the cards often perform better in different parts of the benchmark based on write size).
I'm using a Sandisk 16GB Extreme Pro (60 MB/s).
I'm having difficulty producing results with any consistency but using raw_rec with global draw off I have seen writes of up to 59.6MB/s on this card (yay!)
However I'm not really sure how to go about achieving this on a regular basis. Often a resolution and frame rate that should fall below the maximum performs worse. For instance if I try to record at 57 MB/s the card will only do 55 but if I ask for 62 it will do up to 59. Obviously 62 is not possible :) I'm just wondering if there is anything obvious I am missing here while I am testing.
I've also noticed that buffer fill method is available in mlv_rec but not raw-rec. Is this setting unneeded in raw_rec?
If anyone with the same card is interested:
raw_rec.mo
1664x936 (16:9)
Global Draw: Off
Preview: Auto
Card Warm-up: 256 MB
Extra Hacks: On
Framerate: 24
FPS Override: Off
This is 1x from the .bin
Sometimes it will only reach about 54MB/sec but if I stop it and start again immediately it will go to 59.x (Perhaps this is working similarly to a warmup?)
On some runs it appears to hit about 59.5 and stay there, other times it seems to go between 57.5 and 59. It will often start at 54 or so and slowly work its way up to 59.
Like I said I don't know what I should do in my testing to try and get some consistency so any advice would be appreciated.
I just ran another "test" and with the same settings as above but mlv_rec.mo peaked at 59.8MB/sec using Buffer fill method 3.
EDIT: Added more info.
ok, no MLV view in camera 8)
Thanks wheezl, i got the same card but only 8GB... going try with your settings and with buffer fill method 3 in MLV for see whats happen :D
Card speed is never 100% consistent. I'm surprised it gives you almost full advertised speed.
Card full will cause problems, I'd say stop right before.
Say, is it possible that we can have some un-precooked RAW someday?
pre cooked?
I get ~200-250 of 2.5x1000. W/ FPS
Play with height and record in 10x and you get more.
I remember somewhere A1ex have said that the RAW has some over-dark areas? A few pages ahead, if I understand correctly.
Looks the same as other raw to me... maybe a little more CA than others but that could be my lenses.
Hey guys sorry if this has been posted. My eyes and words are starting to blur together after 100+ pages. Im gettin my used 7d this weekend I have a 60 currently. To clarify the 64gb 1000x works good but the 128gb 1050x are good as well or no?
One thought, I don't know how you get the raw data from, 10x zoom might suggest that it might be that the full resolution is filling that buffer, so the buffer that you guys set to capture raw might be wrong size--just wild guess.
Cheers
10x = 5x with a hobbled YUV buffer so like real hacked mode on cameras which support it. If you do ML grayscale you can see the image too.
Quote from: 1% on September 25, 2013, 04:58:37 PM
Card speed is never 100% consistent. I'm surprised it gives you almost full advertised speed.
Card full will cause problems, I'd say stop right before.
I'm actually overjoyed with the speed so I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to figure out if what I am seeing is real and how to most easily replicate it. Right now 1600x900 manages to hit Continuous after a few seconds so my current "record" of 60.2MB/s peak with this card isn't terribly important to me from a usability standpoint.
I'm just trying to collect information that might be useful to others.
EDIT: Hahaha "New Record"
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
ok, no MLV view in camera 8)
Thanks wheezl, i got the same card but only 8GB... going try with your settings and with buffer fill method 3 in MLV for see whats happen :D
I've also found I can sometimes ride the buffer at 1728x864 (2:1) until the card fills. So not technically continuous recording but more or less equivalent when you have a smaller card like we do ;)
Thank you :D Hope the end of this month i will get a 32gb 1000x
Is there any way of implementing some kind of warning when the card is almost full?... like a beep sound when there's 500mb left for example...
Yes, you only have to keep track of all FIO_WriteFile calls (maybe also FIO_RemoveFile).
Or figure out how to ask Canon code to recompute the free space.
There has to be some kind of re-update file catalog function, you probably couldn't do it while recording but would work after. It has to do something like that after taking a pic.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
Looks like a corrupted frame, with new build i think you will not have such problem :)
funny, i use the 12/9 build, mlv module and i get corrupted frames every time, but mines look like this
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kVn5HdNoWds/UkMs_5LpBTI/AAAAAAAAAgc/g8grjqdI_-E/w1314-h739-no/M23-2121_00013.jpg)
@Jared's look like his turned on false color
I use Transcend 1000x 32gb card, does it mean my card is too slow if I get corrupted frames?
Yea, MLV is not corrupt frame proof at all. Made worse on a slower card... on 50D I get those in the middle of shots, on 7D usually at the beginning even with 1000x.
Quote from: Jared on September 25, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
Greetings I'm having problems when shooting from build "[7D] PopStop" in MLV
any help?
or any new build?
P.D: Attached Image
Indeed, not corrupt frame. Maybe from raw2dng or mlv2dng? Did you try the new build - 24 September if it does the same thing?
If you know the free space before you begin recording and the image size and framerate, could you calculate the number of frames you have room for and stop the recording just before that?
Quote from: a1ex on September 25, 2013, 07:06:10 PM
Yes, you only have to keep track of all FIO_WriteFile calls (maybe also FIO_RemoveFile).
Or figure out how to ask Canon code to recompute the free space.
You don't really know it.
There might be a way to delete stuff while freeing up the space in the FC/FM fuctions... creating is still a problem.
Excuse me for being a noob, but what is the difference between normal raw-rec and the MLV module? Not quite sure what pro's and con's of each of them are.
Quote from: bryantbural on September 26, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Excuse me for being a noob, but what is the difference between normal raw-rec and the MLV module? Not quite sure what pro's and con's of each of them are.
They're pretty much the same. MLV can store more other info and is a new format but some has shown that it was written a bit faster than RAW too, but yeah for the most part, they're pretty much the same.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on September 26, 2013, 08:25:48 AM
They're pretty much the same. MLV can store more other info and is a new format but some has shown that it was written a bit faster than RAW too, but yeah for the most part, they're pretty much the same.
Interesting, although mlv writes faster, i seem to get more corrupted frames with mlv than raw.
mlv in my opinion is still too young in its development. Raw_rec on 7D with britom and 1% built i have yet to get a pink frame. I think i'll be happy now. I have a few projects to work on and I will not shoot in MLV. not just yet
Just having a lot of fun with ML
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfnk4KSGKSY&feature=youtu.be
Thanks a lot !
A long video mostly outside stuff on 5500k w/b. + 100-250 + f/9 + iso 250 in .raw format
rawmagic + lightroom +fcpx (color correction)
Quote from: 1% on September 22, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Max is 91, mlv_rec will get better for sure, but we're missing ~10MB somewhere.
Pardon my ignorance, but where did you get this number? I thought I recall seeing some ~100 MB/sec benchmarks on the 1000x cards. I understand the caveat of GD and other overhead associated with the features of ML.
I know most of those on here are playing with video and have any number of NLEs at their disposal, collectively that is. I'm just a very technical user who's been doing still photography for some time, though I've wanted to contribute to the development if I can. I happen to purchase a VAF-7D before a vacation last yer and I've not seen a RAW test with and without the VAF on our camera. I have the videos at home with a post ready to go, almost. I'll post it up in a few hours. Until then, here are two DNGs to PNGs that I then used to make the video. Details to come...
Without VAF (http://mobrienphoto.com/Misc-Pics/Casual/ML/VAF-N-000080.png)
With VAF (http://mobrienphoto.com/Misc-Pics/Casual/ML/VAF-Y-000080.png)
Enjoy pixel peeping, though please keep in mind I minimized the aliased pixels during my RAW conversion process.
Thanks for posting the A/B pngs!
What the stills do not show is the shot destroying moving moire that appears in scenes with regular geometric features - roofs, walls, fabric, stairs, collections of linear features, et al. The 7D-VAF minimizes these visual distractions. The frame content does soften a bit, but this is not a bad thing. You can get back some of the acuity with sharpening if needed.
The combo of ML 7D raw and ME's filter makes the 7D a big league competitor. I'm hoping to do a feature with this tech, done with shorts.
I used britom's 12/09/2013 build of ML for recording this test.
I know I'm not active much on here and I wish I can contribute more so here is what I've done. I have the SanDisk UDMA 6/60 MB/sec, 16 GB card so I'm a little limited on card speeds but I do get a solid 50-55 MB/sec on it so it works well enough. I've been playing with the official RAW module and the bleeding edge one from britom and I have a VAF-7D 8) but no I am not using an NLE; just my Mac and my Linux server. I recorded ~200 frames with and w/o the VAF-7D, critically focused both, to see how well the VAF works and how much fine detail resolution is lost.
These recordings were done about 2 minutes apart, roughly 200 frames each, on the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 (first version of the lens) @ f/11, ISO 100, with a shutter of 1/48th w/o FPS override. I'm comfortable using this lens on my 7D and doing large prints so using it for 2 MP video isn't a concern. I intentionally overexposed by 2/3rds of a stop, processed the DNG's with RawTherapee with highly tweaked/customized settings to extract as much detail as I felt possible and up-res'ing them to 1920x1080. From testing with Photoshop and RawTherapee I determined it was best to 'bake' the sharpening(1) with RT and upsize it in the export instead of doing a separate resize & resharpen with Photoshop. I then passed the PNGs to mencoder (it doesn't play well with tiffs) and x264 to produce the following video tests.
Combined video: MOV (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Compare.mov), AVI (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Compare.avi)
Without VAF: MOV (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.mov), AVI (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.avi)
With VAF: MOV (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.mov), AVI (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.avi)
VAF-N PNGs (704 MiB zip) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.zip)
MD5: b5d7bf9af890e72cf277201e5f6bb51a
VAF-Y PNGs (670 MiB zip) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.zip)
MD5: 75f81070184c41b56179d72f52a41cf7
Note 1: One possible pitfall of the test I did is that I apply the exact same settings to both shots. I previously pixel-peeped and fine tuned the detail and sharpening settings with frames using the VAF. As the non-VAF shot is inherently sharper, there is some minor over-sharpening.
Personal note: I own Photoshop CS5 and Lightroom 4. LR4 is a very nice piece of software and can produced stunning results with it's amazing tonal controls. However, it doesn't have the fine tune capability required to try and mask out or minimize the aliasing caused by pixel binning and line skipping. As such, I decided to used RawTherapee which has such controls. If you'd like to see what I've done with the fine details and you have RawTherapee, have a look at this file (http://"http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/Settings.pp3"). In future, I think I'll export TIFFs and use LR4 for the effective "grading" until I decide to get a decent NLE.
To encode the PNGs with x264 via mencoder, I used the following settings:
mencoder mf://*.png -mf fps=23.976 -o ./VAF-Compare.avi -aspect 16:9 -msglevel all=0:vfilter=4:statusline=5 -ovc x264 -x264encopts crf=20:frameref=8:cabac:level_idc=51:subq=9:threads=0:nofast_pskip:keyint=72:keyint_min=12:rc_lookahead=48:deblock=-3,-3:partitions=all:me=umh:bframes=5:aq_strength=1.2:deadzone_inter=13:deadzone_intra=7:qcomp=0.8 -oac copy
Edit: The x264 settings are such that the video is compressed with a constant rate factor, which is analogous to a constant quality level.
To get .mov files I demuxed with mp4box (part of the gpack package)
mp4box -aviraw video <input file>.avi
and then muxed with mencoder since I've had problems with mp4box's muxing
mencoder <input>.h264 -o <output>.mov -of lavf -oac copy -ovc copy
I suppose it would be helpful to provide the .MLVs...
VAF-N.MLV: bzip'd tar (~522 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.MLV.tbz), zip (~552 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.MLV.zip)
VAF-Y.MLV: bzip'd tar (~552 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.MLV.tbz), zip (~586 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.MLV.tbz)
QuotePardon my ignorance, but where did you get this number?
Benchmark in photo mode. I'm seeing no 100s, who has besides 5DIII?
Quote from: 1% on September 27, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
Benchmark in photo mode. I'm seeing no 100s, who has besides 5DIII?
When I went back to look a week or two ago, the screen shot (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg63903#msg63903) wasn't up anymore :(. Anyhow, I'll pick up one of those cards when funds permit.
All of my links are fixed. Sorry, that I made them incorrectly. I'm used to other forums requiring the url to be encapsulated with double quotes.
Thanks Digital Corpus for this tests :)
This VAF is truly amazing.. Couldn't resist and got one for me. :)
I'll put some footage here next week.
@Digital corpus,
how does the 7D+VAF handle your widest lens at full open aperture?
the 1st ver. vaf i use on my 5D isn't so good with wides like the tokina 11-16 at 16mm from f2.8 up to f8. I only get sharp e to e starting at f11.
If it is good I might get one for my 7D as well. Try to test it on a chart if you have one or else a brick wall which covers the frame well and at perpendicular angle.
You might also try taping up newspapers on your wall so we can see the text e to e.
Try to see were the sweet spot is with the apertures.
Hi. Using last ML build. When switching off camera and changing memory cards, I need to extract battery to turn it on. Is it normal?
Can someone explain about crop mode and 1920 shooting. Thanks.
Quote from: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 03:51:10 PM
Hi. Using last ML build. When switching off camera and changing memory cards, I need to extract battery to turn it on. Also I tried to set 1920 resolution, but ML allow me to set it 1728 max. Is it normal? Can I shoot 1920 at all? Thanks.
Yes, the max in 1x is 1728 for over coming this you can record 2.5k max in 5x mode.
Thanks, already got it and change a previous post)
But what max resolution and in which mode 7d can now shoot?
Ill try to shoot MLV in crop 5x with fps override 1920 24p and it cant(
Max in 1x = 1728
Max in 5x = 2.5k
Press the zoom button to get 5x and then press trash button to go to ML menu... there go to your raw setting and chose your desired resolution.
OK.
Ive got komputerbay 64GB 1000x and it overflowed very fast, when Im trying to rec in 1920. Slow exemplar?
Don't know why. But put the example maybe some one in the forum can help you with this.
Find a resolution thats around 76-77 MB/s for zoom mode. The non crop is what H264 is made from so if you're not having a problem with aliasing/moire, try that.
Is a 80MB\s wright speed, that shows during rec, normal? So, my card cant shoot 1080p 24 at crop mode, bcs it needs >83Mb/s speed. Right? And someone just luck enough to get faster card than mine? :'(
Yes, i think is normal speed
Sorry, maybe Im too slow, but can someone shoot 1080p 24 at crop mode?
Quote from: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
Sorry, maybe Im too slow, but can someone shoot 1080p 24 at crop mode?
Yes, I can get about 700 frames at 1920x1080 at 24 fps.
You have to use the latest build from 1%
You have to do the Firmware Upgrade trick to get fps control
You have to set fps override to 23.976, with Exact FPS settings
In live View you have to press zoom to 5X and zoom again to 10X (this gives a little faster recording but kill LiveView)
Go back to ML enter RAW menu and change the Resolution to 1920x1080
Press Q , Trash button and then reocord.
I can get continuous recording if I use a different Aspect Ratio like 2:1 id 1920x960
I use Lexar pro 1000x card
For more information on recording cropped video go here:
How to record: -- RAW Digital Cropped Video 30/24fps on 5D3 & others--
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
Cool, thanks.
I got FPS working from slave (since master isn't even booting for me now).. not for H264 yet. With the new edmacs I get 1920x1038 cont at 79.x mb/s in zoom mode.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on September 28, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
Press the zoom button to get 5x and then press trash button to go to ML menu... there go to your raw setting and chose your desired resolution.
@1%: Is there a way to modify ML in order to be able to set crop mode settings without being in x5 mode?
Quote from: 1% on September 28, 2013, 08:29:35 PM
I got FPS working from slave (since master isn't even booting for me now).. not for H264 yet. With the new edmacs I get 1920x1038 cont at 79.x mb/s in zoom mode.
Nice!
but is "since master isn't even booting for me now" a big problem?
Fps seems to be more stable now... good work!
Maybe this means that slave processor has access to the same features as the master.
Quote from: 1% on September 28, 2013, 08:29:35 PM
I got FPS working from slave (since master isn't even booting for me now).. not for H264 yet. With the new edmacs I get 1920x1038 cont at 79.x mb/s in zoom mode.
My hat off to you! I am hitting 81 MB/s at 10X with FPS override at 1920x1080 and 2K at 24 fps. No pink frames either... Did get a missing footer error message..
QuoteDid get a missing footer error message..
Yea, always at the end of the card. Or worse it freezes. :(
QuoteMaybe this means that slave processor has access to the same features as the master.
Its split 1/2 and half... kinda. They doubled some stuff or only put a hint to it on the slave and then the real working address/functinon will be on the master. Its like you had 2 5DII's and only one connected to the sensor/lens mount.
If I figure out how to access some of the lower addresses then its going to get pretty good (HDR, headphone, H264FPS). You can also call functions (so far only by name) on master from slave so if there is something like shamem_write we're golden for the cached addresses.
I dunno why g3gg0 used IPC bulk vs ipc quick. Its exactly the same but seems quicker.
Quotebut is "since master isn't even booting for me now" a big problem?
A little bit. No video hacks/vignetting/etc.
Quote
@1%: Is there a way to modify ML in order to be able to set crop mode settings without being in x5 mode?
They're distinct modes so you can't really set 5x and and not be in 5x. There is some LV_MAGNIFY factory stuff but you'd just be in a 5x that you can't leave with the zoom button.
7D raw test :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRgrJ1USGPs&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ
Thanks for your answers :)
(and btw your work & time :-* )
Just noticed that with the last 2 builds, the back red led ("access lamp") is constantly blinking... excepted when I pop up the ML menu.
Strange :/
Sticky something is on? Maybe some ML assert is tripped? I compiled last night and get no blinking.
Time for a little update of 7D raw recording capabilities:
ONLY TESTED raw_rec module:
Lexar 1000X with todays built from 1% https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
Did not use fir update since FPS override now works without it!
1728x972 at 24 fps - Continuous Recording
1728x972 at 30fsp - 79 MB/s up to 1800 frames (60 seconds)
Cropped video mode (5X) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 80.3 MB/s 2000 frames (66 seconds)
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 79.7 MB/sec 205 frames (6.8 seconds)
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 81.6 MB/s 3000 frames (100 seconds)
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 81.6 MB/sec 215 frames (7 seconds)
Cropped video mode (5X) at 24 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Continuous recording
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 80 MB/sec 390 frames (16 seconds)
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 24 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Continuous recording
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 81.3 MB/sec 470 frames (20 seconds)
60 fps video
1728x694 - Up to 69 MB/s 330 frames (5.5 seconds)
1472x592 - Up to 69.6 MB/s 990 frames (16.5 seconds)
1408x566 - Up to 69.3- MB/s 1670 frames (27.8 seconds)
1344x540 - Up to 69.6- MB/s 5223 frames (87 seconds)
1280x514 - Continuous
50 fps video
1728x694 - Up to 70 MB/s 464 frames (9 seconds)
1472x592 - Up to 70.3 MB/s 5235 frames (87 seconds)
1408x566 - Continuous
These are the fastest recording speeds for 7D!!
I like 1728x1152 or 56... wish there was a moire detector tho.
How i record in 10x crop mode with 24/09/2013 britom's build?liveview freeze when i try to go in 10x
Quote from: sml1187 on September 29, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
How i record in 10x crop mode with 24/09/2013 britom's build?liveview freeze when i try to go in 10x
Actually the recording is really 5X, but I am going to 10x so LV freezes and allows for faster recording at 5X
In current build does 10x also freeze the image via HDMI out ?
Quote from: 1% on September 29, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
Sticky something is on? Maybe some ML assert is tripped? I compiled last night and get no blinking.
Ok now it's gone... I maybee need to stop playin with menus... or stop drinking. Or both ::)
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 29, 2013, 07:07:29 PM
Time for a little update of 7D raw recording capabilities:
Thanks Renato for posting your benchmarks! I recently purchased a KomputerBay 32gb x1000 and I was only getting between 48-60 MB/s so I returned it and bought a Lexar 32gb x1000. I became a little disappointed when I maxed out at ~80 MB/s. I was under the impression everyone was getting in the 100 MB/s range.
QuoteLexar 1000X with todays built from 1% https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
Did not use fir update since FPS override now works without it!
Is there a newer MLV_REC or did you have to compile something?
Quote from: ulysnep on September 30, 2013, 12:00:02 AM
I became a little disappointed when I maxed out at ~80 MB/s. I was under the impression everyone was getting in the 100 MB/s range.
100 MB/s only possible on 5D3
Quote from: ulysnep on September 30, 2013, 12:00:02 AM
Is there a newer MLV_REC or did you have to compile something?
I compiled myself but only tested raw_rec module.. mlv_rec should be similar
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 30, 2013, 01:55:47 AM
I compiled myself but only tested raw_rec module.. mlv_rec should be similar
Can you post the bundle please? :3
I was a little upset about the vertical lines in RAW, its obvious pattern apparently indicated that those vertical lines were read related noise. But how come that the original CR2 doesn't have those vertical lines?
When reading raw.c and raw.h, some questions popped up into my mind. One of the biggest one of them is like that, why the ev values are in float? Aren't EV values are in unsigned int instead? But I was not familiar with coding, image capturing and 7D project, so there was no immediate answer that I could find as the knowledge in these fields has failed me. Please forgive my ignorance.
Someone said the correction for 5DIII stripes had some effect. Other than that I only see noise in high ISO/darkness
My bad, EV value is float. But there must be some formula to change EV value to bit grades.
Quote from: feureau on September 30, 2013, 02:57:34 AM
Can you post the bundle please? :3
Tried but dont have enough bandwidth. sorry.
Quote from: mucher on September 30, 2013, 06:07:41 AM
My bad, EV value is float. But there must be some formula to change EV value to bit grades.
Second thought (actually third ;D), the DIGICs are already doing the best they can, so...forget about it. Sorry for the bothering.
Test 2 CF cards with Crystal mark with Transcend USB 3.0 card reader. Here is a results:
Computerbay 64Gb 1000x (135$):
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2 x64 (C) 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]
Sequential Read : 120.332 MB/s
Sequential Write : 94.928 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 104.492 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 43.224 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 10.245 MB/s [ 2501.2 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 3.054 MB/s [ 745.5 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 11.271 MB/s [ 2751.7 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 3.195 MB/s [ 780.0 IOPS]
Test : 1000 MB [J: 0.0% (0.0/59.6 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2013/09/30 15:24:04
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)
Wellcore 64Gb 1100x (88$):
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2 x64 (C) 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]
Sequential Read : 127.502 MB/s
Sequential Write : 106.024 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 110.268 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 45.907 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 10.335 MB/s [ 2523.2 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 3.582 MB/s [ 874.6 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 11.697 MB/s [ 2855.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 3.778 MB/s [ 922.3 IOPS]
Test : 1000 MB [J: 0.0% (0.0/59.6 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2013/09/30 15:45:00
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)
new build: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
h264 is still broken :( but 1% will fix it soon :)
Alright :D Thanks britom and one percent :D
ML_britom_1%_24_Sep_2013_
Why do I activate the magic zoom in raw video recording will not function?
Hit start again, it should turn off the MZ and start recording.
ok grazie
Sorry...what is h264 video function?
...normal video mode by canon ??
Wellcore 64Gb 1100x (88$):
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2 x64 (C) 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]
Sequential Read : 127.502 MB/s
Sequential Write : 106.024 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 110.268 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 45.907 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 10.335 MB/s [ 2523.2 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 3.582 MB/s [ 874.6 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 11.697 MB/s [ 2855.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 3.778 MB/s [ 922.3 IOPS]
Test : 1000 MB [J: 0.0% (0.0/59.6 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2013/09/30 15:45:00
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)
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Would you reccomend this card, and if so where do you buy it?
If its as good as the Komputerbay one's I would Buy 2 in stead of one Komputerbay.
I cant say for sure how it will behave on 7D, bcs I didnt make any tests yet for compare them (will try to make in a 2 day). But, if we abstracting from 7D, I think its better and cheaper. Find it on alibaba, you can send an email to
[email protected] for purchase order.
Made some test:
1728x972 (1156) at 24 fps - Continuous Recording
1728x972 at 30 fps - 80.6 MB/s up to 2352 frames (first time was slower, when shooting further its starting to work > 80 MB/s)
Cropped video mode (5X) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 80.3 MB/s 2169 frames
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 82.2 MB/s 4300 frames
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 24 fps
FullHD at 24 fps - Up to 81.7 MB/s 3000+ frames
In a ML format - 3700+ frames. Actually, on a Komputerbay I can rec ~6800 frames in this mode...
Just a question for any of you Resolve 9 users out there. I used MLV2dng to convert my video. When I brought the dng file into Resolve it was all purple and really distorted not readable at all. What's with that ?
Quote from: jman on September 30, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
Just a question for any of you Resolve 9 users out there. I used MLV2dng to convert my video. When I brought the dng file into Resolve it was all purple and really distorted not readable at all. What's with that ?
Only converter that has worked for me thus far in Resolve 9 is rawmagic.
I'm using resolve 10 now, though I haven't tested to see if any of the other converters work with it since the update.
As far as I can tell, all the bizarre fringing phenomena have seemingly disappeared, though the vertical line pattern is still apparent.
Grab rawmagic and convert the files again, see if that works. Im on a mac BTW, not sure if raw magic is PC compatible.
Quote from: crwn_schlr on September 30, 2013, 11:23:04 PM
Only converter that has worked for me thus far in Resolve 9 is rawmagic.
I'm using resolve 10 now, though I haven't tested to see if any of the other converters work with it since the update.
As far as I can tell, all the bizarre fringing phenomena have seemingly disappeared, though the vertical line pattern is still apparent.
Grab rawmagic and convert the files again, see if that works. Im on a mac BTW, not sure if raw magic is PC compatible.
Just sorta figured it out. Resolve 9 does not allow avi's as imports and dng's do not convert in the change format option in Resolve. So I brought the dng into AE and saved it as an uncompressed TIFF SEQ.
Using a PC. Works fine. Now able to play with the clip in resolve....Cheers.
Quote from: mityazabuben on September 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
I cant say for sure how it will behave on 7D, bcs I didnt make any tests yet for compare them (will try to make in a 2 day). But, if we abstracting from 7D, I think its better and cheaper. Find it on alibaba, you can send an email to [email protected] for purchase order.
Made some test:
1728x972 (1156) at 24 fps - Continuous Recording
1728x972 at 30 fps - 80.6 MB/s up to 2352 frames (first time was slower, when shooting further its starting to work > 80 MB/s)
Cropped video mode (5X) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 80.3 MB/s 2169 frames
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 82.2 MB/s 4300 frames
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 24 fps
FullHD at 24 fps - Up to 81.7 MB/s 3000+ frames
In a ML format - 3700+ frames. Actually, on a Komputerbay I can rec ~6800 frames in this mode...
Thanks for the info, Very helpfull. Keep up the good work :)
On latest build (29.sept) i get error 70 when hiting start record,if the digic peaking it's enablead with 10x zoom
Digic peaking needs to be cut off on record in all modes. It doesn't help anything.
Quote from: 1% on October 01, 2013, 01:57:47 AM
Digic peaking needs to be cut off on record in all modes. It doesn't help anything.
It does help me in focusing. Is it causing problems? I do notice initially when turned on the first time it freezes, but once its already on, its stable.
Yea, on multiple cams it causes crashes or write speed loss... on 7D its also not playing nice with FPS override.
fantastic job i'm now get continuous rec at
1856X1044 24fps
and
1920X1080 24fps getting 3500 frames until it skips.
I thin i need a bigger boat. Komputerbay 32GB 1000x not enough but i think i wont record in 5x until proper lv is fixed.
BTW will that be fixed or will zoomed video always be with us? I would like to see what i'm really shooting thanks
It will be like this for ever... but for see normal zoom mode (x3) you can preview the LV in black and white (ML grayscale preview) with a little delay... but at least you have the proper frame.
Really i did not not know this. not being dumb but how do i get to that settings sorry lol
Quote from: mityazabuben on September 30, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
I cant say for sure how it will behave on 7D, bcs I didnt make any tests yet for compare them (will try to make in a 2 day). But, if we abstracting from 7D, I think its better and cheaper. Find it on alibaba, you can send an email to [email protected] for purchase order.
Made some test:
1728x972 (1156) at 24 fps - Continuous Recording
1728x972 at 30 fps - 80.6 MB/s up to 2352 frames (first time was slower, when shooting further its starting to work > 80 MB/s)
Cropped video mode (5X) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 80.3 MB/s 2169 frames
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 82.2 MB/s 4300 frames
Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 24 fps
FullHD at 24 fps - Up to 81.7 MB/s 3000+ frames
In a ML format - 3700+ frames. Actually, on a Komputerbay I can rec ~6800 frames in this mode...
For what it's worth, I bought one of these Wellcore cards and it got corrupted and became impossible to format after just a couple uses. I couldn't format it in the camera, Windows or Mac machines. They took it back, but since I had to order it from China, I decided not to get another one.
Its seems, that it is lucky me)
So I tested some more with FPS override... the values are being written to the memory locations and I can read stuff back from there on the slave.
*figured out how to write the values but it still crashes... the only other thing to do is cut off FPS right before rec stop.
Is it impossible to have a realtime playback in camera?
or a .RAW realtime player?
real time playback i think that not currently possible
Quote from: alsey7 on October 01, 2013, 09:29:09 PM
real time playback i think that not currently possible
is currently not possible or never will be possible?
in camera you got pic_view (don't remember if write like that) but is black and white and delayed. In computer you got one app from g3gg0.
is it me or did the file sizes go up?
It went up if you are recording larger frames from extra speed. :)
Quote from: 1% on October 01, 2013, 07:03:52 AM
the only other thing to do is cut off FPS right before rec stop.
Its one solution... but the best? or only the only solution ?? =D
I dunno... I'm writing necessary values (ie, now headphone works from slave)... it worked like twice this way... I think g3gg0's solution might not have been right, reg A + b were switched. Might be something wrong with how the reg itself is written from slave, dual iso does +2/-2 to the address of the register and I can't read regs from the slave as there is no shamem_read. Just blindly trying +2/-2 didn't work... it crashes even if no timers are changed, just the reg written over again.
Headphone monitoring is working, but it sounds distorted and when i connect the av cable the liveview turns off. Any tips? Should i get a cable that doesnt closes the video circuit so the liveview keeps on?
It shouldn't turn off, turn headphone on and plug in.
Is working good now, but when i choose Internal Mic/Auto int-ext in Input Source the audio becomes distorted. Works good in all the other modes. I've been wanting this feature since 2010! Wonderful work!
Distorted how?
I also need to find a way to detect that the AV cable is plugged in (I think there is a prop), right now it just kinda does it on toggle only.
I love the 9.29 build... better looking menu, recording is more smooth... no longer need to manual turn on FPS by updating the firmware... sweet!
Thank you... now I need to go out and shoot something :)
Hi. Can someone advise how to merge .mlv files into 1 footage? Mlv2dng cant procedd them(. Thanks.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on October 01, 2013, 10:53:57 PM
... In computer you got one app from g3gg0.
Sorry sir, but what is this and can you give us more information please? Thanks
Quote from: mityazabuben on October 02, 2013, 09:49:15 AM
Hi. Can someone advise how to merge .mlv files into 1 footage? Mlv2dng cant procedd them(. Thanks.
The latest mlv2dng does merge them... I do it all the time!!!
UPDATE: actually I don't think it'd merge them in the end (maybe in the background) but it can process those split files and generates DNGs
Quote from: PANDETTA on October 02, 2013, 10:28:59 AM
Sorry sir, but what is this and can you give us more information please? Thanks
I believe he referred to this one:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8447.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8447.0)
Quote from: vnguyen972 on October 02, 2013, 03:33:50 PM
The latest mlv2dng does merge them... I do it all the time!!!
UPDATE: actually I don't think it'd merge them in the end (maybe in the background) but it can process those split files and generates DNGs
win or mac?
Quote from: vnguyen972 on October 02, 2013, 05:46:20 PM
I use win version
Strange, but using mlv2dng from this topic http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0 gives me an error...
Quote from: mityazabuben on October 02, 2013, 06:32:33 PM
Strange, but using mlv2dng from this topic http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0 gives me an error...
That's what I use too... I noticed that if I tried with a 'prefix', it crashed...so I ended up with 00000.dng file and so on... also, I read that once a while it crashes but if it'd work on the 2nd retry ...
sorry, my mistake - it converts to dng all footage, process M00 and so on automatically.
I'm amazed by all the progress here! I got a question.. does the last 7D build work? I mean, can I record NORMAL h264 video out of it? Also, I'm really glad about all the bars facelift progress.. I saw a picture of 1% that he got it working pretty well.. is it there in that build? Is it up to date?
Thanks!
Quote from: tonybeccar on October 03, 2013, 02:57:07 AM
I'm amazed by all the progress here! I got a question.. does the last 7D build work? I mean, can I record NORMAL h264 video out of it? Also, I'm really glad about all the bars facelift progress.. I saw a picture of 1% that he got it working pretty well.. is it there in that build? Is it up to date?
Thanks!
why would you want to do h264 video. wouldn't that be a step back
Because is practical, you dont need a ultrafast card, you can record audio, and it's ok for small projects. Sadly is not fixed yet :(
Hopefully I can get the master to boot off the other repo with less updates. Then I can see what is happening to the registers/memory.
I tried a couple of times using h.264 with sound successfully, you only need to disable the rawrec module in the ML menu (grey it out), then everything is just almost the same.
Quote from: britom on October 03, 2013, 03:38:11 AM
Because is practical, you dont need a ultrafast card, you can record audio, and it's ok for small projects. Sadly is not fixed yet :(
ya i get the whole practical thing. i still use it when i just want it i use a CF without ML and use canon default. its still great. but when u gotta have the footage where it matters then ML is where its at
Hello folks. Its remarkable the work of you guys( like nobody ever said that..)
Well, I was one of the lucky ones install ML without problems..jazzzz!
But I noticed 2 things so far: first is the overheating. Jesus! this camera turned into a toaster or what??
second and most important: a bug! when trying to select a REC button on the ML menu, using the " half press button"
option, it didnt work. it went "bananas" and I got message from the software to inform you about it.
Thanks.
Natedog
Which build?
Ciao
Walter
Pardon my ignorance, but I dont know what build is it. I follow the instructions on the website:
7D firmware v1.1.0 http://pel.hu/down/eos7d110.exe (Thanks to Pelican)
(This is a firmware hack, it will not downgrade your camera)
booton.bsdiff: http://pel.hu/ML/booton.bsdiff
bspatch.exe: http://download.pokorra.de/coding/bsdiff_win_exe.zip
Latest version of EOScard http://pel.hu/down/EOScard.exe (Thanks to Pelican!)
(If EOScard fails, try v1.38 backed up here http://goo.gl/JX0BFS)
Now for my surprise I realize Raw video is not functioning at all. Camera seems to start recording,
but when finishes is freezes everything up! And sometimes the record button on the camera doesnt work either..
whats the problem? I use a Sandisk Extreme 60m/s 16 G.
thanks Walter. Ciao.
@1% I'll upload a sample of the distortion i was talking about when i get home. Also I'm wondering if you can enable FEATURE_SHUTTER_LOCK in your repo. I couldnt find something like it in the canon menu and I (maybe somebody else too) find it very useful as i'd prefer not to switch to tv.
@Natt4hack seems like you're still recording in h264 format (your camera freezes because the feature is broken for now). You need to enable raw video in the modules tab, and then enable it again in the movie tab.
Thanks for your answers.. and regarding the H264 video.. as I shoot with the camera a lot.. it's impossible to shoot RAW everytime.. the H264 video is great, and by far is the most stable for now! Raw is for big projects only for me ;)
And thanks 1% you are doing a terrific job!! :D
Cheers!
h264 does the job and pays the bills... but i've been hating the clipped highlights/moire/softness/dead colors since 2009 so having the possibility to switch to raw video is just brutal!
Quote from: britom on October 03, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
h264 does the job and pays the bills... but i've been hating the clipped highlights/moire/softness/dead colors since 2009 so having the possibility to switch to raw video is just brutal!
No more, no less 8)
Thanks Britom. I believe I enabled raw on modules and movie tab. I will triple check my settings.
Cheers.
Pls, clarify for me this basic - when we using RAW video, we dont apply any encoding in a color space and only when we postprocess footage, we choose in what color space it will be. Am I right? Thanks.
Quote
@1% I'll upload a sample of the distortion i was talking about when i get home. Also I'm wondering if you can enable FEATURE_SHUTTER_LOCK in your repo. I couldnt find something like it in the canon menu and I (maybe somebody else too) find it very useful as i'd prefer not to switch to tv.
Will turn it on and see if it works.
The 1/2 shutter for rec key probably starts H264... the module only captures the start/lv button. Don't know if it works on other cams either, I guess its useful for people with remote release
master is booting again... hopefully I can see whats up with FPS override
anyone have some good settings for the 7d on the 9.29 update?
im using a lexar 400x and can get up to 1440 2:35:1 crop.... continuous..
any extra settings i need to turn on or off to get a better feel?
Quote from: 1% on October 03, 2013, 05:01:06 AM
Hopefully I can get the master to boot off the other repo with less updates. Then I can see what is happening to the registers/memory.
:D :D :D :D
I'll ask before and I'll ask again, maybe 1% you know why!
Why are we getting tremendous aliasing and moire in every camera except 5d3? I know 5d3 is better regarding that matter, BUT: In h264 video, the same line skipping is performed.. so WHY can we not achieve the same level of aliaising and moire as the H264? (which is very little). Can someone explain this? I guess that maybe someday it can be discovered, right?
You have exactly the same level of aliasing as in H.264.
Maybe I didn't express myself correctly with aliaising.. I also mean moire, I mean, you can see with your eyes the skipped lines.. just do a wide shot with infinity focus.. the level of moire in raw is far more noticeable than h264.. and I know it's the SAME line skipping, so why? That's why everyone is talking about a vaf filter... Do you know what I'm saying 1%? :)
Postprocess the video with exactly the same parameters as H.264 (curve, softness and so on) and you'll get exactly the same level of aliasing and moire.
Re: moire and aliasing... also keep in mind, in raw, the picture has the capacity to be much sharper than it ever was in H.264. And if you never saw how ugly the moire got in H.264, consider yourself lucky.
I once shot commercial on my 7D that had a couple of shots of this couch. The fine texture of the fabric was like a perfect storm for moire. Most of the shots were unusable. That was the day I bought a VAF. I agree with a1ex, in non crop mode, aliasing and moire is bad but no worse in raw than in H.264. How sharp you render the raw will make a difference, but a VAF is essential for the 7D in video period (IMHO). Unless you just do shallow focus face shots. Anything with detailed patterns is horrible without the VAF.
Ok, so FPS isn't working on the master either as it was originally... I don't remember how well I tested it on older bins + H264 since we're all about raw. But 2 things for sure..
Repo way: RegA/B addresses switched + miswritten
My way: Written exactly as it looks when canon writes it...
both have a 10% chance of not locking the master with either method
So the only solution seems:
Catch rec stop, reset FPS registers, stop H264
Do I need a new handler for this? Last few frames would be wrong FPS but you can cut them off... so how do I do this? I tried from prop_MVR_rec_start but its too slow.
While 1% keeps doing his magic, I undefined fps override so h264 video is working. I have a videoshoot coming up tomorrow and i planned to shoot h264 so the render it's done before i die, and the audio features are going to be of big help.
Here's the build (FPS override is disabled) https://www.dropbox.com/s/um1hpcv7y4vq3hz/ML7DFPSOVERRIDEOFF.zip
For what i know from my experience and also writing inglish the best i can...
-I recorded some raw footage in forest with tokina 11-16 2.8 (excellent for 5x) wend i open the dng's on after effects i just didn't what to believe... wtf !!! I just got moire and aliasing on almost my all clips.
1- My window in after effects with the moire/aliasing clip is 1/4 of my screen. Wend i went to full screen the moire/aliasing just disappear at the least in almost of the clips. Shrink image you get this kind of aliasing/moire.
2- Moire/aliasing will be showing in line skipping. In raw, like the name say, will be a lot more notice then in h.264
3- Wend i transcode from dng to h.264 for upload in, for example, Vimeo a lot of the moire/aliasing disappear. So, of course that the image going to be more soft, like a good advice is not focus sharp (that i don't like it)... Is like passing wav to mp3, you got more soft sound but also more noise. Soft sound=not bright, not so much detail. Equal to give in post some blur, all the moire/aliasing will disappear, this is what h.264, take out detail=soft image=also noise. For sure if i transcode a video clip to 2 bit's we will not see any moire/aliasing... or anything =)) ...just art =)
About 5DIII don't know, don't have... i wish. The best solution, for know and i think for ever (because very soon the market will change, the game have change. Ours machines have hardware limitess and this is almost what you can get from them)
The best solution is the VAF filter. My machine will never be a red dragon or cooking machine but is a f***king machine!!! ...at the least for the time that we are living.
One percent... YOU ROCK BIG TIME!!! 8)
Britom, what i can say??? Thanks for the h.264... are paying the bills.
Alex... you brainiac :) wonderful
For now i just start to use raw in my personal projects and in good well paying projects (that not yet appear). H.264 is good for the bad/untest gig, fast and all-in.
Old good H.264
I don't think you have to disable it completely (bcz raw), just don't turn it + record H264 on at the same time :)
Anyways, its semi-fixed but...
1. buffer stop/out of space/4gb will probably hang it.
2. Last ~2 sec will be normal fps, can maybe shrink/grow this delay
I think this way is the best for now and its fairly usable.. maybe not perfect for all night time lapse but better than we had 4 hours ago.
For me it froze last time even when i didnt turn fps on, so disabling in features.h seemed the only way... now i'm going to test the latest fixes, awesome work!
Weird, if its not on, H264 should work. It would only freeze at the end anyways with 50/50 chance of finishing the file.
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QuoteAbout 5DIII don't know, don't have... i wish. The best solution, for know and i think for ever (because very soon the market will change, the game have change. Ours machines have hardware limitess and this is almost what you can get from them)
7D is pretty close to 5DIII but missing 5DIII sensor performance. Rather than spend $4K+ on 5DIII its probably better to have a 7D + better lenses.
The moire only seems bad for things that would produce moire normally. In a controlled environment this isn't as much of an issue unless you have a lot of people with striped shirts, etc. :)
With fps override I've got memory mark red in the menu and often Err 77 during REC. How to solve?
Thanks.
(don't know what happen upstairs with the double post)
Quote from: 1% on October 04, 2013, 12:28:24 AM
7D is pretty close to 5DIII but missing 5DIII sensor performance. Rather than spend $4K+ on 5DIII its probably better to have a 7D + better lenses.
The moire only seems bad for things that would produce moire normally. In a controlled environment this isn't as much of an issue unless you have a lot of people with striped shirts, etc. :)
Yes, indeed :D
QuoteWith fps override I've got memory mark red in the menu and often Err 77 during REC. How to solve?
Try now, I changed memory and timing a bit.
Very interesting your answers about the softening of H264.. will look closely into that then! And I totally agree with the controlled enviroment, BUT.. in every short you make, you're gonna have a wide shot, a master shot, and sometimes you're gonna need everything in focus! Sometimes you can't get away with thin depth of field! AND, for me, the most attractive thing of all this RAW crazyness, and I see it only in 5D3, is exactly that! I can't believe how SHARP and awesome those wide shots look! Everything is in focus and with awesome detail! And this you cannot have on 7D, but I don't know with the VAF filter on.. every test I see they dodge this all-in-focus shots ;) And doing a wide shot in crop mode well that's just not so confortable hehe..
H264 still rocks and pays the bills !!!! ;)
Cheers!
Quote from: arrinkiiii on October 03, 2013, 11:45:16 PM
For what i know from my experience and also writing inglish the best i can...
-I recorded some raw footage in forest with tokina 11-16 2.8 (excellent for 5x) wend i open the dng's on after effects i just didn't what to believe... wtf !!! I just got moire and aliasing on almost my all clips.
1- My window in after effects with the moire/aliasing clip is 1/4 of my screen. Wend i went to full screen the moire/aliasing just disappear at the least in almost of the clips. Shrink image you get this kind of aliasing/moire.
2- Moire/aliasing will be showing in line skipping. In raw, like the name say, will be a lot more notice then in h.264
The reason why when you are re-sizing the frame window and you get more moire is because of the resampling algorithm. Given that your perceptive artifacts were greater was because that AE was most likely using linear/bi-linear sampling. If bicubic or lanczos sampling were used, your smaller image would exhibit fewer artifacts. A good example of this phenomenon is on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing.
Hi. Maybe someone have Rokinon/Samyang 8mm lens and can test it in a 5x crop mode? Im eager to see the results...
Thanks
@Digital Corpus
Indeed =))
Anyone know's the analog ISO's for the 7D or the native one's?
- ISO in RAW different use from H.264 -
Quote from: mityazabuben on October 04, 2013, 11:25:59 AM
Hi. Maybe someone have Rokinon/Samyang 8mm lens and can test it in a 5x crop mode? Im eager to see the results...
Thanks
Would be that something like 64mm?
8x5x1.6?
Actually it is something like 8 x 4 = 40 mm, because you can get maximum 3x in 7D's 5X mode, most if not all CF cards today cannot reach 3x continuously, but by a smaller aspect, you can get something like 2k, 5184 / 2000 = 2.592, 2.592 x 1.6 = 4.147, and 4.2 x 8 = 33.2 mm
But, 8mm is a fisheye, the widest non-fisheye is the 14mm full-frame lense, which I heard from rumor.
Quote from: mucher on October 04, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Actually it is something like 8 x 4 = 40 mm, because you can get maximum 3x in 7D's 5X mode, most if not all CF cards today cannot reach 3x continuously, but by a smaller aspect, you can get something like 2k, 5184 / 2000 = 2.592, 2.592 x 1.6 = 4.147, and 4.2 x 8 = 33.2 mm
But, 8mm is a fisheye, the widest non-fisheye is the 14mm full-frame lense, which I heard from rumor.
Actually the widest non-fisheye is the nikon 13mm that sells for like $10k, but that's neither here nor there.
Ive got the rokinon/samyang 8mm in the cine version. I know i've slapped it on to test out with raw, but the lens is very soft, so I might've chucked those clips.
I'll test it in crop mode and see how it fairs. I'd imagine it being even softer though. Not to mention it has zero depth of field.
Quote from: mucher on October 04, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
But, 8mm is a fisheye, the widest non-fisheye is the 14mm full-frame lense, which I heard from rumor.
Do not rule out the mighty Canon EF-S 10-22! It's perfectly fine for the 7D. It's one of my most appreciated UWA (not fish eye) lenses. ;) Millimeters are the same for crop and FF. And 4 mm is a lot on the wide end.
Edit: actually, before ML it was the main reason why my 7D was still around!
7D's x5 zoom mode is a total lost in the wild angle realm, but gains incrediblely in the long range, bird/plane shooters must like it.
Btw, the latest Britom's build has no greyscale 1:1 mode when zooms 5x
Quote from: sanderbontje on October 04, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
Do not rule out the mighty Canon EF-S 10-22! It's perfectly fine for the 7D. It's one of my most appreciated UWA (not fish eye) lenses. ;) Millimeters are the same for crop and FF. And 4 mm is a lot on the wide end.
Edit: actually, before ML it was the main reason why my 7D was still around!
Yeah I forgot that mighty EF-S10-22, x4.2 it looks very handy from midrange to portrait, but the price tag can make some of us whine about it. Anybody likes to comment on the cheaper substitutes?
Please! This thread is for discussing RAW video.
Quote from: 1% on October 04, 2013, 03:41:15 AM
Try now, I changed memory and timing a bit.
Sorry is there a new version? Where can I find? Thanks.
the best uww for the 7d is the Tokina 11-16mm F2.8.
Fellas,
I have read this entire thread....I cant correct this problem
when i record in Raw it looks terrible....when i dont it looks.. better
i used the MLV player
what am I doing wrong?
When I'm taking photos with my brand new Nikon D3x they look terrible... when I take them with my old Nokia/Zenit/Holga/Pinhole they look better
What am I doing wrong?
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise
I have recently installed Magic Lantern on my 7D (britom's build from 29/09/13) and have been testing it quite a bit. Works great so far!
However, in some of the raw videos (of a low contrast scene) where I exposed to the right completely (without clipping of course) I noticed a strange noise pattern (vertical stripes for example).
(http://s13.postimg.org/ptsuysvlj/RAW_Comparison.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
This frame (100%) was taken at iso 100, 2044x868 in crop mode, 23.976 fps override. The left part is the original, the middle part the normal edited frame (in ACR) and the right part a more extreme edit to show the pattern. Frame (.Raw) converted to .DNG with RAWMagic.
Am I doing something wrong or is this just the "normal" cmos sensor noise? Should I not expose to the right that much? (the image looks white at first glance)
Cheers
Quote from: OSCA LEE on October 04, 2013, 06:59:30 PM
Fellas,
I have read this entire thread....I cant correct this problem
when i record in Raw it looks terrible....when i dont it looks.. better
i used the MLV player
what am I doing wrong?
With MLV player you can't see the best resolution... also depend of the clip, because some times its just go to extreme exposures. For you see good the files you need to open in, for example, after effects or in premiere. Or you trasncode from raw to dng or use this new plug-in in real time, raw player (not yet for MLV) and plug-in for premiere and after effects, FCP, Avid, etc..
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8627.0
It's working like a charme =)
Anyone know's the analog ISO's for the 7D or the native one's?
Well i think it's the limitation of 7d's sensor. Since you used cropmode it's the worst outcome of the noise because of 1:1.
And btw blue channel is always the noisiest one even if you take normal photos.
For photo and raw i think you go 100, 200, etc...
For h264 you go best with 160, 320 etc...
Quote from: arrinkiiii on October 04, 2013, 07:29:59 PM
With MLV player you can't see the best resolution... also depend of the clip, because some times its just go to extreme exposures. For you see good the files you need to open in, for example, after effects or in premiere. Or you trasncode from raw to dng or use this new plug-in in real time, raw player (not yet for MLV) and plug-in for premiere and after effects, FCP, Avid, etc..
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8627.0
It's working like a charme =)
Anyone know's the analog ISO's for the 7D or the native one's?
Ok thanks...I will try this and log the update
Quote from: deC9r on October 04, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
Well i think it's the limitation of 7d's sensor. Since you used cropmode it's the worst outcome of the noise because of 1:1.
And btw blue channel is always the noisiest one even if you take normal photos.
So I reckon the noise might be a result of the crop mode, blue channel, me adding to much contrast in post and me pixel peeping (at 400%) for too long ;)
Nevertheless, the 7D still produces some great looking images.
Thanks!
With fps override I've got memory mark red in the menu and often Err 77 during REC. How to solve?
Thanks.
I don't think britcom built a new build with the fix for that yet. It was allocating/freeing too quickly.
Ok...I have AE CS6 and used the r2dng to create the files.....
Picture quality is nice but nothing compared to what you guys are posting.
My settings...canon 1080p 30fps RAW
ML rw module loaded only no other modules...1728
Also...that 5x doesnt do my filming any justice at all...I just use the regular setting without the crop. Very noisy fellas....
Make sure its properly exposed... very unforgiving for under... pattern noise, etc.
Quote from: Astronick on October 04, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
So I reckon the noise might be a result of the crop mode, blue channel, me adding to much contrast in post and me pixel peeping (at 400%) for too long ;)
Nevertheless, the 7D still produces some great looking images.
Thanks!
that noise can be fixed very easy.
1. solution: do it in camera raw
2. solution: try neatvideo (http://www.neatvideo.com/) for after effects (best denoiser i've used)
CAUTION:
I just fixed wav... it was not freeing memory... after some while camera will crash from out of memory!
Quote from: sanderbontje on October 04, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
Do not rule out the mighty Canon EF-S 10-22! It's perfectly fine for the 7D. It's one of my most appreciated UWA (not fish eye) lenses. ;) Millimeters are the same for crop and FF. And 4 mm is a lot on the wide end.
Edit: actually, before ML it was the main reason why my 7D was still around!
I worked last week with that lens, it's ok, but needs lots of light. f3.5 is not enough for a decent DOF.
ACR it's seeing the raw files as Canikon as the camera model,so i can not change to neutral or any other style.
I search on forum to see how to change this to canon eos 7d,without success.
I try the latest rawtodng converter,no change.
I try ExifToolGui program to change camera model,in prpreties the change it's made successful,but ACR stil saying Canikon.
Can someone/anyone help me ?
Quote from: szigiszmund on October 05, 2013, 02:18:43 PM
I try ExifToolGui program to change camera model,in prpreties the change it's made successful,but ACR stil saying Canikon.
Can someone/anyone help me ?
You should change the EXIF:UniqueCameraModel tag. Copy the Camera Model name to it.
Please ,you can explain how to do that. I tried several programs with no luck.
Thankyou.
Dear community,
Situation 1:
I own a 7D.
Situation 1.2:
I have read nine thousand posts online on how to get raw video and dual iso for my 7D. Joke, I have probably read 9.
Objective 1:
I want raw video and dual iso for my 7D.
Objective 1.2:
I want raw video and dual iso for my 7D without having to read through 57 posts x 5 different threads dated from November 2012 - October 2013 in order to get it.
Disclaimer 1:
I am what you would call a newbie.
Disclaimer 1.2:
I am not as arrogant as this post mistakenly may be perceived.
Thanks to everyone who can give me a straight answer.
Sincerely,
For starter, all you need is to read the 1st thread of this topic...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.0)
Here's the latest test build:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
I don't think dual ISO in video for 7D works just yet though.
Quote from: rådyrklo on October 07, 2013, 04:21:59 PM
Dear community,
Situation 1:
I own a 7D.
Situation 1.2:
I have read nine thousand posts online on how to get raw video and dual iso for my 7D. Joke, I have probably read 9.
Objective 1:
I want raw video and dual iso for my 7D.
Objective 1.2:
I want raw video and dual iso for my 7D without having to read through 57 posts x 5 different threads dated from November 2012 - October 2013 in order to get it.
Disclaimer 1:
I am what you would call a newbie.
Disclaimer 1.2:
I am not as arrogant as this post mistakenly may be perceived.
Thanks to everyone who can give me a straight answer.
Sincerely,
I used the latest build in a real production!
It was a video-clip for this brand that sells a brazilian sweet called "Brigadeiro", kind of a chocolate truffle.
Recorded in RAW format, continuously at 2:1@23,976fps, maximum resolution of the non-crop mode.
It was amazing. Got no problems at all, and the image quality is epic. When I needed to review the clips, I just used the Drastic player on my notebook - in location, no conversion needed.
Thanks Magic Lantern community, you are the best.
See the video at:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200721048007843&set=vb.578623872195584&type=2&theater
+1... Drastic player is an awesome player!!!
Quote from: brunonicko on October 07, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
When I needed to review the clips, I just used the Drastic player on my notebook - in location, no conversion needed.
So the last weekend i had the oportunity to test all the raw features in a real production enviorment in 24 and 60p mode. It's such a pleassure to grade the footage that comes out of the camera and what's great is that I got only 1 pink frame in 60p mode in 2 days of production! I'm still noticing some flickering when debayering with ACR from Adobe CC (updated), so it seems that resolve is the way to go. Also what anoyed me a bit when using the raw_rec module is that after pressing the record button, the camera waits like 3 seconds before starting to write.
@brunonicko looks great!
How to set 60p in raw mode? Thanks.
QuoteAlso what anoyed me a bit when using the raw_rec module is that after pressing the record button, the camera waits like 3 seconds before starting to write.
Turn off start delay.
QuoteI don't think dual ISO in video for 7D works just yet though.
50D/5DII/7D do not alter the register in LV and setting a dual iso in the one reg they use seems to do nothing.
Im getting some fuzzy spots on my shots after I render them...
Still not getting the quality you guys are getting
Osca, you might be more specific or post a screenshot of the "fuzzy spots."
If you are underexposing the image then more than likely those fuzzy spots are noise. Magic Lantern raw does not handle underexposure well but then again neither does H.264.
Not sure what your workflow is but it might help to share that too. I think everybody has their own method. Personally I'm still shooting .raw, not .mlv I'm on a Mac so I'm using RawMagic to convert to CDNG. Then I render the CDNGs as 10 bit ProRes 422 .mov files in After Effects (after making slight adjustments in the Adobe Camera Raw tool).
When I've had to cut on a Windows machine, I used the "raw2cdng" app from phreekz.de to convert to CDNG and in AE I chose Avid DNxHD codec instead of ProRes.
Since no one knows the best ISO to record in RAW i found this,
http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO
But i must say more confuse i stay ???
If somebody is interested to push the camera to write faster than 83mb,to see how good it's your card meanwhile recording in raw,then lower your fps from ex 24 to 10 or under.
I managed to have 90.5mb write speed for 2-3 sec on the beginning,than it's go stabel to 87-88mb on komputerbay 64gb 1000x.
Have fun.
Hi guys, my first post here. Here's a music video I shot entirely with raw video on my 7D. I hope you like prog!
- Tiko
Hey guys. I made some research (in fact, quite a lot) and came to conclusion that the 7D is the best way to film raw if you can't afford a Mark II or III.
Problem is, the official ML chart doesn't say how much time the 7D can film continuously (I mean, what's the longest take you can make ?) and I've heard different versions. Some say less than 10 seconds, other 1 minute.
So, anyone to confirm how it really works ?
Also, if it has any problems while filming raw ?
Thanks in advance...
Well, Raw video isn't official yet since it's still in development... and still in "alpha"... that's why you can't find it on official ML chart.
So far, it's just based on different tests varies on different card...
Here's one of the test result from one of the users... but you'll get the idea of what resolution 7D raw would allow you to continuously record so you can do long takes... and what resolution you want but have to deal with short takes due to short recording...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.1325 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.1325)
Install raw component and buy a fast card and test it in your own setting and see what works best for you and your production!
Since it's still in alpha, there will be some issues but for the most part, it will record some fine footage!!!
Quote from: Fukurou on October 08, 2013, 12:52:30 AM
Hey guys. I made some research (in fact, quite a lot) and came to conclusion that the 7D is the best way to film raw if you can't afford a Mark II or III.
Problem is, the official ML chart doesn't say how much time the 7D can film continuously (I mean, what's the longest take you can make ?) and I've heard different versions. Some say less than 10 seconds, other 1 minute.
So, anyone to confirm how it really works ?
Also, if it has any problems while filming raw ?
Thanks in advance...
Thanks.
Yeah, When I said "official", I meant the infos found on this forum
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0
And since some of them were followed by a question mark, I wasn't sure they would be accurate. But the link you gave in your post says continuous in 24p at a decent resolution is ok (and most other modes can record about 1 minute in general). So, this will do for me :)
I'm also aware there could be issues as this is still pretty early for raw to be stable (specially when those models were not really designed for this), but at least, even if raw really happened to fail me, 7D itself is still a decent DSLR I suppose :)
Hello
How about the 128gb komputerbay CF memory? works OK with raw?
Appreciate your answer.
Thanks a lot!
Quote from: gcbotas on October 08, 2013, 02:17:37 AM
Hello
How about the 128gb komputerbay CF memory? works OK with raw?
Appreciate your answer.
Thanks a lot!
Many people haven't had much luck with the 128 gb Komputerbay CF card, even the 1000x.
If I were you I'd go with two 64gb cards.
QuoteI managed to have 90.5mb write speed for 2-3 sec on the beginning,than it's go stabel to 87-88mb on komputerbay 64gb 1000x.
So you got the 90? I've yet to see it, it does seem very affected by frame size + FPS... I still think there is something canon that can be turned off. The dialog timers are good for ~6MB/s at least.
Komputerbay cards seem to be wildly inconsistent :/ Makes you think twice about buying them. It sure seems to work for some people though!
So what is the conckusion on VAF and rec in raw does it work or it is too soft
@Tiko,
Awesome quality man!!! Really! Did you use any sharpening in post? Lenses? You didn't use a VAF filter right?
Quote from: 1% on October 08, 2013, 03:04:31 AM
So you got the 90? I've yet to see it, it does seem very affected by frame size + FPS... I still think there is something canon that can be turned off. The dialog timers are good for ~6MB/s at least.
Yes,it was 90mb.I was surprised to see such a high speed,so i try few more times and i get the same results every time.
Quote from: edingacic on October 08, 2013, 04:07:59 AM
So what is the conckusion on VAF and rec in raw does it work or it is too soft
A little soft, but it's very usable. I plan on doing some more tests in the near future to more accurately show that.
Yup, see it speeds up when its not pressed to write. I can 2.5k at 16fps.
@1% start delay was off...
Quote from: tonybeccar on October 08, 2013, 07:09:21 AM
@Tiko,
Awesome quality man!!! Really! Did you use any sharpening in post? Lenses? You didn't use a VAF filter right?
No sharpening, no vaf, only color grading.. I love the images I get. Unbelievable! ^^
I used a Sigma 17-50 2.8 os, Canon's nifty fifty and an old M42 135 2.8 I got from ebay for 20 bucks.
Everything's shot around f5 with ISO640.
- Tiko
Quote from: arrinkiiii on October 07, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
Since no one knows the best ISO to record in RAW i found this,
http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO
But i must say more confuse i stay ???
But it doesn't say anything about iso in RAW video, only about the old h264 8 bit codec in video mode.
There is something about shooting raw in picture mode though, and i think you should use this settings (full stop, meaning 100, 200, 400 etc).
But I need some brainac (like a1ex) to confirm it :)
Why not try ETTR?
Quote from: a1ex on October 08, 2013, 03:39:28 PM
Why not try ETTR?
That's what I would do. But just for pure clarification I think there should be an answer for the question of the best, and native iso of 7d.
This is something I found on canonrumors forum, post by "jrista"
QuoteThis is a mistaken notion based on the behavior of Canon ISO settings and their noise characteristics. Canon uses a 1/3rd stop push/pull approach to achieving non-full stop ISO settings, which can result in some third-stops being less noisy and others being more noisy than their full-stop neighbors. To explain:
Canon sensors use ISO 100 as base ISO, and all of the standard full-stop ISO settings are indeed native. Third-stop settings are actually achieved by futzing with the exposure a bit, rather than directly amplifying the signal to those levels. For example, ISO 125 is actually ISO 100 with a 1/3rd stop underexposure, which is then digitally corrected, or "pushed" up to the correct exposure. ISO 160 is similar, only that it is ISO 200 with a 1/3rd stop overexposure which is then digitally "pulled" down to the correct exposure. ISO 125, since it is a digital push of 1/3rd of a stop, tends to be noisier than either ISO 160 or ISO 200. Conversely, ISO 160, since it is a digital pull of 1/3rd of a stop, tends to be less noisy than ISO 100. The consequence of this approach is that you lose 1/3rd of a stop DR for those intermediate stops of ISO. A third of a stop change in DR is rarely ever an issue in the very vast majority of circumstances though, especially at the lower ISO settings where you have more DR to work with anyway (which is the only time it exhibits...higher ISO's above 800 use an alternative approach.)
People who have noticed this quirk in Canon's noise behavior have made the rather naive assumption that it means Canon sensors actually have a base ISO of 160. On the contrary, when the actual ISO mechanics are investigated, Canon sensors most definitely have a true or native ISO 100, as well as a native ISO 200, 400, 800, and 1600 at the very least, and potentially more depending on the model. All third-stop ISO settings are achieved via push/pull, and at lower ISO settings that results in oscillating noise characteristics. This quirky approach to third-stop ISO settings is actually something I hope Canon moves away from when they move to a new 180nm fabrication process. A true sensor-level analog amplification to all ISO settings would be a better approach
If there would be a "best" one, there wouldn't be a setting for it in menu (the camera would always use that one).
The one chosen by ETTR should be optimal (in the sense of constrained optimization - you choose the slowest shutter speed, the lowest SNR you are OK with, and how many highlights you are OK with throwing away). If you find a situation where ETTR result is not optimal, report a bug and show what setting was chosen by ETTR, what you think it's best for your situation, and a side-by-side comparison that shows the difference.
Quote from: a1ex on October 08, 2013, 04:08:43 PM
If there would be a "best" one, there wouldn't be a setting for it in menu (the camera would always use that one).
The one chosen by ETTR should be optimal (in the sense of constrained optimization - you choose the slowest shutter speed, the lowest SNR you are OK with, and how many highlights you are OK with throwing away). If you find a situation where ETTR result is not optimal, report a bug and show what setting was chosen by ETTR, what you think it's best for your situation, and a side-by-side comparison that shows the difference.
Will do.
ETTR + Dual combo is getting pretty good for stills.
For raw I'd check the histogram and adjust accordingly if not doing ettr.
Last build 9.29 is very good :)
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1426685000886315&set=pcb.1426685334219615&type=1&theater)
May we have a .fir to go with the 9/29 build?
I made a short video to show the high write speed of canon 7d.
To get the camera to wright at 90,4mb i lowered the fps to 3.
Re: fir
I'll have to make one
Is it possible to make a version in which H264 also works? I tried the 29-9 build, but it freezes at the end. It would be great since we would be able to use both H264 and RAW.
I also tried to use the old alpha2 version to use H264, but that version does not remember the settings, so that is quite annoying since the default settings do not work for my card.
Quote from: szigiszmund on October 08, 2013, 07:37:02 PM
I made a short video to show the high write speed of canon 7d.
To get the camera to wright at 90,4mb i lowered the fps to 3.
Am I missing something here, the camera even if it says it's writing at around 90mbs it's clearly not actually writing that much to the card when you are recording at 3fps.
The file size right before the speed indicator is a good example of this, it took you 11 seconds to write 92mb or raw footage.
@1% What exactly is that speed indicator, i was under the impression it was the actual write speed to the card, is it a theoretical max speed or something?
Shouldn't it be telling us in MBs how much is actually being written?
Quote from: dutchguy on October 08, 2013, 10:52:41 PM
Is it possible to make a version in which H264 also works? I tried the 29-9 build, but it freezes at the end. It would be great since we would be able to use both H264 and RAW.
I also tried to use the old alpha2 version to use H264, but that version does not remember the settings, so that is quite annoying since the default settings do not work for my card.
This one works for me:
Quote from: britom on October 03, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
While 1% keeps doing his magic, I undefined fps override so h264 video is working. I have a videoshoot coming up tomorrow and i planned to shoot h264 so the render it's done before i die, and the audio features are going to be of big help.
Here's the build (FPS override is disabled) https://www.dropbox.com/s/um1hpcv7y4vq3hz/ML7DFPSOVERRIDEOFF.zip
QuoteIt would be great since we would be able to use both H264 and RAW.
I made FPS override stop before H264 stops so as long as you don't get a card full, 4gb or buffer stop it won't freeze. This is all that can be done for now.
QuoteShouldn't it be telling us in MBs how much is actually being written?
Its supposed to be. Maybe at such low FPS it messes up.. or the write would really be 90Mb/s if there was enough data. Its universal and the same as in the repo.
I don't see any mistake in the screenshot. It wrote 75MB at 88.4MB/s with a duty cycle of 10%.
I think I will hold off on the raw right now..I am not getting anything close to what you guys are shooting....
Quote from: pit3k on October 09, 2013, 12:29:08 AM
This one works for me:
Thanks, that one seems to work for me!
Quote from: 1%I made FPS override stop before H264 stops so as long as you don't get a card full, 4gb or buffer stop it won't freeze. This is all that can be done for now.
In which version did you fix this? I guess it's not in the 29-9 version yet?
Question: So if we DON'T enable FPS override then we can shoot H264 with NO problems? It WONT freeze if card is full or 4gb limit or buffer?
Its not supposed to. Also has dual iso preview. Its committed but britcom didn't build it yet. I mainly think it was freezing on him because he had wav enabled and it was eating the memory.
Here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
I dont understand very well how the black points / white points / dynamic ranges are decided for the respective cameras, and how is the lumination level converted to bit depth. I have not enough knowledge to understand codes. :-\
Yep, there are 7D nightlies:
http://ml.bot-fly.com/
Prefer to chose ML on powerup. May we have a .fir version in each build?
I have to sign them all.. right now fir has: video hacks, vignetting (is it working?) and that's about it.
Quote from: a1ex on October 08, 2013, 04:08:43 PM
Why not try ETTR?
The one chosen by ETTR should be optimal (in the sense of constrained optimization - you choose the slowest shutter speed, the lowest SNR you are OK with, and how many highlights you are OK with throwing away). If you find a situation where ETTR result is not optimal, report a bug and show what setting was chosen by ETTR, what you think it's best for your situation, and a side-by-side comparison that shows the difference.
The last time that i try out ETTR with video the shutter speed just can't stay in 1/48... this is already fix?
So, for what i understand using 100, 200, 400, 600 is the best? Maybe if we go really to the root of ISO even 100 or 200 is not the best but for what we got in canon and in ML menu this the best, 100, 200, 400?
Quote from: OSCA LEE on October 09, 2013, 07:16:14 AM
I think I will hold off on the raw right now..I am not getting anything close to what you guys are shooting....
Why? What is the problem?
If it can't get good exposure with 1/48, it won't use it. Should be obvious what you should do in this case ;)
Quote from: 1% on October 09, 2013, 07:25:28 PM
Yep, there are 7D nightlies:
http://ml.bot-fly.com/
And this nightly builds have the work you've been doing incorporated? Are they built automatically every day?
Quote from: a1ex on October 09, 2013, 09:37:24 PM
If it can't get good exposure with 1/48, it won't use it. Should be obvious what you should do in this case ;)
lol ...of course. The question is the best iso to use in raw. ETTR just mess with shutter speed. I keep using the 100, 200 and so on...
I see in some photos using red cameras almost with iso 800, even if is sun/bright ...i think should be their native iso and maybe they prefer to use filters or close the iris.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on October 09, 2013, 09:49:22 PM
I see in some photos using red cameras almost with iso 800, even if is sun/bright ...i think should be their native iso and maybe they prefer to use filters or close the iris.
As a previous RED owner, the Original "M" sensor was Native 320 ISO. The "MX" Sensor is Native 800 ISO.
RED cameras do not like you to change ISO
below the Native rating. I can attest that the image starts getting crunched and less "filmic." I hate having to put 13 stops of ND
and a Hot Mirror (required for all RED shots) out there just to take a daylight shot at f4 (no joke!). A serious flaw in the camera's design IMHO.
My experience so far with the 7D in RAW, the basic quality of the image doesn't seem to get wrecked if you vary the ISO up or down (within reason, of course). I've done critical tests between 100 ISO and 3200 ISO and find staying within 100 ISO to 320 ISO is great.
QuoteAnd this nightly builds have the work you've been doing incorporated? Are they built automatically every day?
Yep, they EOSM guys took care of nightlies. They should add 6D up there too to round out the trifecta.
Hi guys I'm testing the last build 's version (10/09/2013) and I'm having problem to change the exposure speed.
It is by defect in 1/50. How can I change that?
I really apreciated your help :D
Turn off shutter lock in movie tweaks... I published the build with my config files, my bad. It's fixed now.
Quote from: chroma on October 09, 2013, 11:50:42 PM
My experience so far with the 7D in RAW, the basic quality of the image doesn't seem to get wrecked if you vary the ISO up or down (within reason, of course). I've done critical tests between 100 ISO and 3200 ISO and find staying within 100 ISO to 320 ISO is great.
I have done quite a few shots of events (weddings, etc) up to 3200 ISO and really the noise isn't bad enough to be unusable. 1600ISO in a dark room is better than getting a blurry shot / missing the shot. You can always clean it up a bit in post if you shoot raw.
Quote from: britom on October 10, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Turn off shutter lock in movie tweaks... I published the build with my config files, my bad. It's fixed now.
Thanks @britom I really apriciated you all for your help :)
If you look at dual ISO then 3200 is the last real ISO. 1600 on 50D and 6400 on 6D... 5DIII might have a real 128K and a real 256 for lv?
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From time to time the CF card where I installed Magic Lantern is "trashed", all seems to work but when I power cycle the 7D, it don't boot ML anymore, the camera says that the card is not formatted (the Mac also) then I must format it, re-install the boot and ML.
This seems to happen when it happens just after I had installed a new version of ML (compiled from Tragic Lantern repos) and tried some modules but mainly raw_rec.
Quote from: chroma on October 09, 2013, 11:50:42 PM
As a previous RED owner, the Original "M" sensor was Native 320 ISO. The "MX" Sensor is Native 800 ISO.
RED cameras do not like you to change ISO below the Native rating. I can attest that the image starts getting crunched and less "filmic." I hate having to put 13 stops of ND and a Hot Mirror (required for all RED shots) out there just to take a daylight shot at f4 (no joke!). A serious flaw in the camera's design IMHO.
My experience so far with the 7D in RAW, the basic quality of the image doesn't seem to get wrecked if you vary the ISO up or down (within reason, of course). I've done critical tests between 100 ISO and 3200 ISO and find staying within 100 ISO to 320 ISO is great.
Hi chroma,
Thanks for the info, always good. Indeed, using 13 stops of ND it's hell... Yes, going keep using 100, 200 and so on for the iso's... i think also that is the best :D
Quote from: chroma on October 09, 2013, 11:50:42 PM
As a previous RED owner, the Original "M" sensor was Native 320 ISO. The "MX" Sensor is Native 800 ISO.
RED cameras do not like you to change ISO below the Native rating. I can attest that the image starts getting crunched and less "filmic." I hate having to put 13 stops of ND and a Hot Mirror (required for all RED shots) out there just to take a daylight shot at f4 (no joke!). A serious flaw in the camera's design IMHO.
My experience so far with the 7D in RAW, the basic quality of the image doesn't seem to get wrecked if you vary the ISO up or down (within reason, of course). I've done critical tests between 100 ISO and 3200 ISO and find staying within 100 ISO to 320 ISO is great.
Well RED MX, and all native 800 iso (like alexa, bmcc, c300) sensors tend to lose DR in highlights when changing iso to lower than 800 and in shadows in higher than 800.
Then you get not so nice rolloff in highlights and really messy noise in shadows. So in bright daylight you have to use heavy IR ND's.
All filmmakers want high native iso, because with lower iso rated sensors you need lots of lights on set to get good base exposure and then even more for lighting the actors to get contrast and separation from the background.
Now indoors with 800 iso (or ASA I should say) you can use more natural lighting without introducing lots of noise to the image, and even "light" actors faces with bounce boards etc.
So once again, higher iso rated sensor = more money saved for producers, and low budget filmmakers.
7d sensor is 100-200 native so outdoors its all great, but indoors it can get messy. Even film stocks got to the point when you use 200 for outdoors and 500 for indoors.
QuoteThis seems to happen when it happens just after I had installed a new version of ML
Sounds like you're not updating the sym file.
Hi All
Long time lurker over the last couple of years. Thanks to all the devs for making this incredible hack - it truly is remarkable!
Don't know if this has been discussed or even possible, (and I have read a LOT of posts and didn't see anything), but are there any plans on creating a module that could write either ProRes or DNXHD to the CF card? I don't mind not having RAW controls and would love the option of having a 10-bit 4:2:2 Prores I could work with. Even maybe MJPEG (like the 1DC) would be good for me.
Cheers
Quote from: 1% on October 10, 2013, 04:40:02 PM
Sounds like you're not updating the sym file.
Yes, same thing was happening to me until I figured that out, d'oh!
i downloaded the 10-9-13 update. do i ned to just drag and drop those files in the .zip to my card?
am i missing something with system files?
Some frames frome build 29.9.
1) http://photo.uloziste.com/?fotka=110e8c98d58a7b25.jpg&d=qa17be29a36c776d&size=0
2) http://photo.uloziste.com/?fotka=ad028010601b2366.jpg&d=q8aab4875cecca49&size=0
3) http://photo.uloziste.com/?fotka=806b5cdc536c334e.jpg&d=q1bc3dd8455e3620&size=0
4) http://photo.uloziste.com/?fotka=f78b98cc8f3e0b52.jpg&d=q9296ef47c3dcc1c&size=0
5) http://photo.uloziste.com/?fotka=fde2a9da8c471762.jpg&d=q04e12bd2c99e37a&size=0
6) http://photo.uloziste.com/?fotka=47a385ca39a1ab6b.jpg&d=q96b393146b2b17a&size=0
Hi all
Another long time lurker wants to say thanks to all the devs for making this incredible hack!
Raw video is just amazing...
Nevertheless i seem to have found a problem - which bugs me quite a bit: In video mode (regardless of being h.264 or raw) using fps override to set a slower frame rate like say 10 fps i just can't
set the shutter speed to anything slower than 1/31 though in the advanced part of the fps override menu "shutter range" is said to be "1/10... 1/17". ("optimize for" is set to "low light")
Is this a bug or do i miss something? I'm using the latest build (9/10/2013) but last few versions had the same problem i guess.
I need the ability to shoot at around 10 fps at a approx. 360 degrees shutter angel for a special effects scene of a project i'm currently working on.
Cheers
Does the 7D have a hi-jello shutter option? If it does, you'll be able to access shutter values that normally wouldn't be offered in Exact FPS and/or Low Jello... I own a couple 50Ds and have had similar issues.
Quote from: pit3k on October 10, 2013, 01:47:20 PM
Well RED MX, and all native 800 iso (like alexa, bmcc, c300) sensors tend to lose DR in highlights when changing iso to lower than 800 and in shadows in higher than 800.
Then you get not so nice rolloff in highlights and really messy noise in shadows. So in bright daylight you have to use heavy IR ND's.
All filmmakers want high native iso, because with lower iso rated sensors you need lots of lights on set to get good base exposure and then even more for lighting the actors to get contrast and separation from the background.
Now indoors with 800 iso (or ASA I should say) you can use more natural lighting without introducing lots of noise to the image, and even "light" actors faces with bounce boards etc.
So once again, higher iso rated sensor = more money saved for producers, and low budget filmmakers.
7d sensor is 100-200 native so outdoors its all great, but indoors it can get messy. Even film stocks got to the point when you use 200 for outdoors and 500 for indoors.
All your points are valid. But having spent 20+ years shooting 35mm and 65mm outdoors, I always liked to use whatever the current 50 ISO Daylight stock was available from Kodak (be it EXR, Vision I, II, etc.). Typically it was the very best emulsion they made (i.e. finest grain, widest latitiude). I also found it surprisingly forgiving in the shadows and good when pushed. I don't know about using 200 ISO film out in the desert without again using a bazillion stops of ND with an 85 filter.
However, I would like to make one point without sounding argumentative, using a slower sensor in a 7D ML RAW camera (that I own) and having a slightly larger lighting package is way cheaper than purchasing or renting a RED or ALEXA or Panavision Genesis and using less lights. Is that a fair conclusion?
Back to 7D ML RAW development, is there any word (or advisable procedure) for using an external HDMI monitor when shooting RAW?
Quote from: LEVISDAVIS on October 10, 2013, 11:55:50 PM
Does the 7D have a hi-jello shutter option? If it does, you'll be able to access shutter values that normally wouldn't be offered in Exact FPS and/or Low Jello... I own a couple 50Ds and have had similar issues.
yes, it does have a hi-jello option. but as i understand it this would be used to enable shorter shutter values not longer ones.
I think it needs frame shutter timer for that and on the slave side changes make no effect. On the master side I haven't found it yet but it might be possible.
Thanks for the info, 1%. Could you please notify whenever you happen to find it on the master? Would be much appreciated...
Probably you can have more freedom in shutter speeds. Really would like the ADTG ones but those don't really go that slow.
Hello, I need to shoot some raw footage this weekend. The fact is that in my country simply can't find a 1000x memory. Any experience around here with a slower card?
Quote from: gcbotas on October 11, 2013, 04:59:00 AM
Hello, I need to shoot some raw footage this weekend. The fact is that in my country simply can't find a 1000x memory. Any experience around here with a slower card?
I have achieved 720p with a sandisk 30MB's a second (bytes not bits).
and since the buffer is very large, you can capture more frames even on slower cards... on my transcend 400x i get 36mb/s... something like 700 frames at max res 2.39:1
Quote from: chroma on October 11, 2013, 12:57:13 AM
All your points are valid. But having spent 20+ years shooting 35mm and 65mm outdoors, I always liked to use whatever the current 50 ISO Daylight stock was available from Kodak (be it EXR, Vision I, II, etc.). Typically it was the very best emulsion they made (i.e. finest grain, widest latitiude). I also found it surprisingly forgiving in the shadows and good when pushed. I don't know about using 200 ISO film out in the desert without again using a bazillion stops of ND with an 85 filter.
However, I would like to make one point without sounding argumentative, using a slower sensor in a 7D ML RAW camera (that I own) and having a slightly larger lighting package is way cheaper than purchasing or renting a RED or ALEXA or Panavision Genesis and using less lights. Is that a fair conclusion?
Back to 7D ML RAW development, is there any word (or advisable procedure) for using an external HDMI monitor when shooting RAW?
Well I think it all depends, on no budget shoot - if you dont have money for cam like c300, 7d with raw is great.
But on production when you can choose lets say between c300, f3, scarlet and 7d RAW( I'm not even thinking about choosing between alexa and 7d)?
And when something goes wrong - try to explain to producer/director that you've chosen to shoot HIS film/commercial/music video with hacked 7d and not with well established camera like c300 just to save money for that 6k HMI :)
I think that ML is great, and even on big budget productions it's an option for certain situations (black swan - metro scene).
But I can't afford to risk 20-50k production day only with 7d raw.
Just my two cents :)
My speed tests:
Sandisk extreme 60 MB/s Max horizontal res (1728) @ 25 fps
With 512mb warm up:
2.39:1 - continuous
2:1 - 350
16:9 - 209
without warm up
2.39:1 - continuous
2:1 - 417
16:9 - 256
In the last versione 09/10/2013, when I use mlv record appear strange message on the display and the err 70:-(
EBay has 1000x lexars for a good price. I got a 400x I can get
2:35 continuous on 1500 aspect
1780 continuous on 3:1
QuoteIn the last versione 09/10/2013, when I use mlv record appear strange message on the display and the err 70:-(
Use old MLV, new MLV is broken... g3ggo hasn't figured out a fix yet.
QuoteBut I can't afford to risk 20-50k production day only with 7d raw.
You'd be really pushing it with one camera only and then the 15 minute record time (64GB). I'd imagine someone would have to manage/review/copy the media immediately even with multiple cards.
I think you'd actually be safe not using display filter (I overheated in 10x 1080P "crop" mode last night) and 1x only with no moire inducing stuff in frame.
Quote from: mrnv45 on October 11, 2013, 02:35:01 PM
EBay has 1000x lexars for a good price. I got a 400x I can get
2:35 continuous on 1500 aspect
1780 continuous on 3:1
Just a warning to anyone buying cards on ebay, there are MANY fraudulent cards out there, with different stickers or even modified to say they have a higher capacity in windows than they really do. Always format the card and run a benchmark / test utility (Google it, there are many) to check that the card has the speeds and capacities claimed.
Quote from: Pileot on October 11, 2013, 10:54:50 PM
Just a warning to anyone buying cards on ebay, there are MANY fraudulent cards out there, with different stickers or even modified to say they have a higher capacity in windows than they really do. Always format the card and run a benchmark / test utility (Google it, there are many) to check that the card has the speeds and capacities claimed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-Lexar-16GB-Professional-1000X-Compact-Flash-CF-150MB-s-UDMA7-VPG-20-HD-/270999842800?pt=AU_Electronics_Memory_Cards&hash=item3f18d96ff0
I can recommend this shop 1800 Memory on ebay, I have purchased 3 SanDisk card off them and all have been genuine, I plan to pick up a Lexar from them maybe soon, not sure if I prefer to get a Komputerbay because they are cheaper but I have heard they are unreliable so will probably go for a Lexar.
Quote from: man_bites_dog on October 10, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Hi All
Long time lurker over the last couple of years. Thanks to all the devs for making this incredible hack - it truly is remarkable!
Don't know if this has been discussed or even possible, (and I have read a LOT of posts and didn't see anything), but are there any plans on creating a module that could write either ProRes or DNXHD to the CF card? I don't mind not having RAW controls and would love the option of having a 10-bit 4:2:2 Prores I could work with. Even maybe MJPEG (like the 1DC) would be good for me.
Cheers
This post is for discussion on 7D raw you would be better off asking that in the feature request section of the forum, that being said I wouldn't count on a module to do that, I couldn't imaging it would be fast to covert footage on the camera to prores ect why would you want to anyways, RAW is superior to ProRes and DNXHD except in file size. Once you taste the true power of RAW nothing else compares.
Edit: after reading the stickies in the feature request board again it seems asking for codec support on camera is not allowed, it seems MPEG might be possible but anything beyond that won't be on camera ever.
Any experience about how performs a 7d with a Lexar 32gb 800x writing raw? :P
For your information, with my Lexar 800x, which was from the internet, I have got 42mb/s sustainable, and that speed translates to 1344 x 756 by aspect of 16:9, if it means anything to anybody. Lexar's 800x and 1000x's write speed differentiates a lot seemingly.
Quote from: mucher on October 12, 2013, 06:38:31 AM
For your information, with my Lexar 800x, which was from the internet, I have got 42mb/s sustainable, and that speed translates to 1344 x 756 by aspect of 16:9, if it means anything to anybody. Lexar's 800x and 1000x's write speed differentiates a lot seemingly.
Not very happy to hear that. >:( , recently bought one trough internet... now just waiting to put it into my camera and pull out hair off my head
Quote from: DragonFlame on October 12, 2013, 03:05:49 AM
This post is for discussion on 7D raw you would be better off asking that in the feature request section of the forum,
Ok, didn't know about that...
I do not yet own a Lexar but if people on this board a correct it seems the 1000x cards are the way to go, the 800x for some reason even rated at 120mbs seem to have trouble reaching even half that speed. I would be interested to hear if anyone with a 800x has managed to hit 80mbs on their 7D?
Heheh, prores? DNxHD?
Let me know when you have an implementation running on PII 233mhz real time, then we'll put it in ML.
Quote from: DragonFlame on October 12, 2013, 10:21:38 PM
I do not yet own a Lexar but if people on this board a correct it seems the 1000x cards are the way to go, the 800x for some reason even rated at 120mbs seem to have trouble reaching even half that speed. I would be interested to hear if anyone with a 800x has managed to hit 80mbs on their 7D?
The Lexar 800x cards have Max. Read Speed: 120 MB/s and Max. Write Speed: 45 MB/s.
So don't expect too much from that card.
(The Lexar 1000x has 150/145 MB/s spec.)
Hey anyone else is having a problem recording H264? It hangs when it stops recording.. what's the SAFE build for this problem? Or is there a workaround? Haven't loaded any modules..
Thanks!
Steps to reproduce? I can't get it to hang under normal conditions at all. Where it will hang is a buffer overflow + fps override. If you don't have it on though everything seems fine.. even sticking it on Q-16
using the oct 11 nightly. with raw video OFF and NO FPS Override. Modules loaded are file_man and raw_rec.
it freezes with ERR 80.
first try- after freeze I remove battery-replace-turn on-I can play back movie recorded.
2nd try-after freeze I remove battery-replace-turn on- "movie cannot be played" message on screen.
with raw video OFF and NO FPS over ride. Modules loaded is only file_man
same freeze at end of recording with H264, then ERR 80.
So what else is on? What mode? I'm recording fine.
Ok, I see, the problem is with PAL and NTSC is unaffected so I never noticed.
Also switching modes around seems to fix it for the time being, odd.
I apologize if this is a known issue, but I thought I'd mention it anyway and provide some examples.
When shooting in RAW mode on the 7D at 50fps, the recording size is 1728x694. You are then instructed to stretch the image vertically in post by 1.4x to correct the aspect ratio to a proper 1.78:1 (16:9) frame, which gives 1728x972. This is the same resolution you'd get if you shot at 24/25fps.
However, stretching by 1.4x still does not give a correct aspect ratio, despite filling the frame up to 16:9. The picture is still squished vertically. In order to fix this, you must stretch by 1.56x. But, if you do this and then resize back to a height of 972, you cut off the left and right sides of the frame which results in a pillarboxed image.
I haven't tried this on the 5D3 as the camera is out on a job at the moment. Once it's back, I'll test it as well.
Here are examples that show the result of stretching the image by both 1.4x and 1.56x:
1.4x:
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f5b6/6wfnw2hsh220y88fg.jpg)
1.56x:
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/c774/dgg62995ef0hmnxfg.jpg)
Quote from: 1% on October 13, 2013, 06:06:11 AM
So what else is on? What mode? I'm recording fine.
Ok, I see, the problem is with PAL and NTSC is unaffected so I never noticed.
Also switching modes around seems to fix it for the time being, odd.
im using ntsc. Global draw is on.
Is digic peaking on? Thats what seems to have been doing it for me.
I have it turn off while recording but I guess it doesn't come back slow enough after movie is finished. It works for raw and on other cameras.. must be lag from the dual digic
Ok, the bug seems to be if you have it on at boot time then your recording will fail and err 80.
do i have to activate anything to get 14bit... or is it only 2.5k raw?
im kinda confused. #noooob
Its same bits always.
Quote from: man_bites_dog on October 10, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Hi All
Long time lurker over the last couple of years. Thanks to all the devs for making this incredible hack - it truly is remarkable!
Don't know if this has been discussed or even possible, (and I have read a LOT of posts and didn't see anything), but are there any plans on creating a module that could write either ProRes or DNXHD to the CF card? I don't mind not having RAW controls and would love the option of having a 10-bit 4:2:2 Prores I could work with. Even maybe MJPEG (like the 1DC) would be good for me.
Cheers
Quote from: 1% on October 12, 2013, 11:06:36 PM
Heheh, prores? DNxHD?
Let me know when you have an implementation running on PII 233mhz real time, then we'll put it in ML.
What 1% is saying is a little more complex to those who don't understand codecs and the hardware inside portable devices..
From my understanding the DIGIC is a ASIC ARM processor that controls the majority of the image processing on the camera and is responsible for image output. A JPEG is a type of image file format where the data from the CMOS sensor is processed by the DIGIC and compressed in a number of ways, including lowering it to an 8-bit-per-channel bit depth.
The information going into the DIGIC is the raw image data. As is common on most cameras these days, this information doesn't need to be compressed down into a JPEG. In fact we have access as a still image and refer to it as a RAW file. Side note: nomenclature is such that we refer to a RAW image in caps, but I don't know why specifically.
Now since a RAW image is essentially unprocessed, it's very "easy" for us to recorder this information. the DIGIC has specific hard coded algorithms for decoding a RAW image and compressing it into a JPEG image, thus its hardware accelerated and doesn't require [much] software/code to produce.
However, a format such as ProRes or DNXHD would have to be implemented purely in software since the compression algorithms are not in the hardware. Given it's relative performance of a Pentium II @ 233 MHz, our ARM chip is not capable of running such code/software capable of compressing the RAW feed into any requested format without taking a reeeaaalllyyy long time. For HD or near HD resolutions, it's extremely unlikely to get any of those formats codec to run at those resolutions and fast enough to chug away at 24-60 fps.
Now, our DIGICs have a H.264 encoder in hardware as well, but with limited options and we cannot really access many of the registers to control it. However, we can, thanks to ML, adjust bit rate and general compression quality. As such, you have h.264 for video or RAW and for still images we have a lossless 4:2:2 silent photo, RAW, and JPEG.
Quote from: Digital Corpus on October 13, 2013, 09:15:00 AM
What 1% is saying is a little more complex to those who don't understand codecs and the hardware inside portable devices.
Thanks man, really appreciate a simple to understand breakdown of how it works. Sometimes, the responses to questions in here can be unnecessarily harsh to noobs. Didn't realise the h.264 encoding was hardcoded into the chip and my ASSumption was that if it could convert to h.264 on the fly, then going to Prores should be possible. My bad. Won't bring it up again...
I do not know what happened, but the car goes into err just try to change fps ???
Hi everyone,
I wonder if there is still a hope to get continuous recording in 1920 X 1080 for the 7D (even if it's only 24p) or if we're locked with 1728 X 972 forever ?
Is it a buffer problem ? card write speed limit or dual digic issue ?
Quote from: 12georgiadis on October 13, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
I wonder if there is still a hope to get continuous recording in 1920 X 1080 for the 7D (even if it's only 24p) or if we're locked with 1728 X 972 forever ?
Can only get 1920x1080 in cropped mode at 5X zoom. I get 1 min 30 sec of 1920x1080 at 24 fps on 7D with Lexar Pro 1000X.
QuoteI do not know what happened, but the car goes into err just try to change fps ???
With digic peaking from boot had this symptom as well... I think I'm going to delete the config variable for it so you have to enable it every boot like dialog timer.
I'm happy enough recording 1728x1152 which is cont for me.
For the 1080P its hit or miss continuous it seems (ive seen it before), 10x also helps a little but in raw quality I'm only getting ~1:30 too, maybe switch to jpeg... its doing 82MB/s so probably 1038 would work.
Ok, cleared card.
1. Photo mode, timers disabled, quality jpeg
2. record at 1x till see some 79MB w/ idle
3. 10x or 5x... 1920x1038 is continuous
4. record 7 minutes (32GB) while I type, still going
so if you're really hard up about the 40px, buy a 50D where its 1080P or 2kx1k... but 50D can't do the wonderful full size LV we have without the crop factor, its only 15xx.
600D folks are scaling 960x540 to 720P and 1080P, lol.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on October 13, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
Can only get 1920x1080 in cropped mode at 5X zoom. I get 1 min 30 sec of 1920x1080 at 24 fps on 7D with Lexar Pro 1000X.
Ok, good to know. Beause the upscale is a step that I would like to avoid for quality and time.
40px upscale has an impact on quality?
Quote from: 1% on October 13, 2013, 04:19:37 PM
With digic peaking from boot had this symptom as well... I think I'm going to delete the config variable for it so you have to enable it every boot like dialog timer.
I'm happy enough recording 1728x1152 which is cont for me.
For the 1080P its hit or miss continuous it seems (ive seen it before), 10x also helps a little but in raw quality I'm only getting ~1:30 too, maybe switch to jpeg... its doing 82MB/s so probably 1038 would work.
Ok, cleared card.
1. Photo mode, timers disabled, quality jpeg
2. record at 1x till see some 79MB w/ idle
3. 10x or 5x... 1920x1038 is continuous
4. record 7 minutes (32GB) while I type, still going
so if you're really hard up about the 40px, buy a 50D where its 1080P or 2kx1k... but 50D can't do the wonderful full size LV we have without the crop factor, its only 15xx.
600D folks are scaling 960x540 to 720P and 1080P, lol.
what version of firmware. With a last update Ive got a really bad speeds - ~73MB\s (
Latest compiled. I do remember the 1080P being cont previously so I dunno, only a few things changed with exmem to make it work with MLV.
Thanks 1% for the answers. So if I understand correctly, you can have a 1920x1038 continuous in crop mode (10x or 5x...) ?
For this resolution, it's obvious that the upscale is not a problem for quality. But it is an additional step in post-production and if it's done in the wrong way (id. using the FCP upscale) by the assistant editor, you're losing time in professional environment. Whereas if it's 1920X1080, it is ready for edit.
Thats how it is for me right now. I recall having the 1080 continuous too.. its only off by like 1MB tho.. if it can just stay at 83 then the problem should be solved unless you're on 25P
Quote from: 1% on October 13, 2013, 04:19:37 PM
1. Photo mode, timers disabled, quality jpeg
I found them and get more speed with Timers disabled... What timers are these, what drawbacks or problems with timers disabled?
They are timers for redrawing the canon dialogs. On 50D they are nuts.. here not as much.
Down side is that canon dialogs will not update. ie.. ISO menu won't show but if you turn the wheel iso changes. Ironically a1ex fixed this unintentionally via the light up ISO in the bottom bar :)
In photo mode you can see the expo bar in the middle doesn't update and more along these lines, stuff just not drawn. These are all I've noticed and it resets every time you boot up even if you don't disable it (re-enable drawing), which you can and then close/open LV.
These + dead 10x = fastest speed since hacked mode can't touch the master digic. Unless we investigated ALL the regs on master first and hard coded the sizes to be change from slave... which may have to be done anyway for that last bit of speed.
Thanks for clearing that up! Great catch..
@1%
Confirmed that DIGIC PEAKING is causing freeze at end of H264 recording.
With Digic Peaking OFF no more H264 record end freeze.
No problems with "OLD" peaking feature Via OVERLAY menu.
Can the digic peaking be active only with RAW Video? I like digic peaking for critical focusing compared to old peaking.
Compared it with 5D mkII, -Digic Peaking has no problems with H264 recording. This freezing is only on the 7D.
Freeze on 7D, freeze on EOSM, lost speed on 50D/6D, seems OK on 600D
The easiest thing to do will be drop the config variable so you have to turn it on whenever the camera starts. The big problem is only at bootup. Boot with it off then turn it on and I think it will record and not freeze. It also crashes the camera in 10X + raw video. I already fixed the latter but a bunch of us forgot and everyone is like H264 is crashing :)
1% whats up with shutter lock always on.
Quote from: 12georgiadis on October 13, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
Hi everyone,
I wonder if there is still a hope to get continuous recording in 1920 X 1080 for the 7D (even if it's only 24p) or if we're locked with 1728 X 972 forever ?
Is it a buffer problem ? card write speed limit or dual digic issue ?
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on October 13, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
Can only get 1920x1080 in cropped mode at 5X zoom. I get 1 min 30 sec of 1920x1080 at 24 fps on 7D with Lexar Pro 1000X.
Right now I'm running 1600x900 continuous and it's beautiful! ( CF komputerbay 32 gb 1000x)
I set my sequence to 1920x1080 and scale up the video by 20% and it still looks beautiful...
I figure that's how I'll work-around it until 1080 becomes continuous and stable... And some scratch audio will be nice. Great Job!
Test video approx. 30s - 1600x900 upscaled 20% to 1920x1080
Unfortunately, YouTube's process is horrible and destroyed a lot of the detail...
There are better methods and settings for youtube but, this is just a test shot.
Thanks guys! Keep up the great work!
Quote1% whats up with shutter lock always on.
Explain. I can change shutter speed fine, don't have shutter lock enabled.
ow no i just meant everytime i turn on camera ( movie tweaks ) shutter lock is always on. I can turn it off which i do if need be.but that's normal on bootup right? thats its always on.
Great news about the fix! Though I LOVE digic peaking!! It's SO useful.. ! I was gonna ask if it's possible to add a bit even more sharpen to it? I think the scarlet has one that is more exagerated am I right? And yes, temporarely it'll be nice to turn it on with every boot, but i'd love to see it fixed as I have it ALWAYS on..
Oh hey 1%, is it possible to add the function in the audio menu to Hide the audio bars? It must be really easy right? It's AWESOME all the new features we have in audio :D :D :D Thank youuuu!!! Gotta try the headphones asap!
And the last question, do you have any idea how to customize the new "bars facelift" awesomeness that it's being developed?
Thanks again and sorry for so many questions! :D
Quote from: Pelican on October 12, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
The Lexar 800x cards have Max. Read Speed: 120 MB/s and Max. Write Speed: 45 MB/s.
So don't expect too much from that card.
(The Lexar 1000x has 150/145 MB/s spec.)
Thanks very much Pelican, that explains a lot, I will be ordering a 1000x very soon I think. =)
This might sound like a crazy question but I have been thinking about this for a while, the 7D seems to be capable of some really great footage but seems to be held back a bit by it write speed to the card slot, what about the HDMI port?
Is it possible to output a clean uncompressed/RAW image out through the HDMI port, if so wouldn't we theoretically be able to record at the cameras max resolution and would also give people the option to record in any format they feel like with an external recorder.
Would be something the ProRes guys would probably love.
Quote from: 1% on October 14, 2013, 02:14:35 AM
The easiest thing to do will be drop the config variable so you have to turn it on whenever the camera starts. The big problem is only at bootup. Boot with it off then turn it on and I think it will record and not freeze.
Confirmed this behavior.
Turned on Digic Peaking AFTER bootup, no more freezing in h264 recording.
It's most likely something in EngDrvOutLV, and it probably affects some other stuff that pokes DIGIC registers. For example, brightness and contrast from Display menu, display gain, image effects or ML digital ISO (don't remember which of those are enabled for 7D).
I think we don't have any image effects or digital iso because the regs are master side and changing them on slave makes unpredictable things like this.
How about this though... I can read shutter from shutter timer, I can't override shutter timer. I can write shutter regs on master but can't read them from slave. Could shutter setting w/ fps be done via blanking write and then read from the timer? I think FPS code supports this?
Just need reg addresses but not sure how g3ggo did it on the master... ie how he found the dual_iso reg and why it has +2 added, that was not needed for the FPS timers.
... wait.. those all use eng LV from fps? Maybe I can make them work and read values from slave.
since I tried the version Nightly Builds no longer works the crop mode just touch the fps, the machine goes err.
help
Digic peaking? It would do that...
Hmm.. top of image is missing adjustment.. so maybe thats why the +2?
Yup, some effects work perfect, some are cut off at the top of the screen which then flickers. They also record into the H264... so some sort of an alignment issue but I don't understand this part.
Ok, changes based on where you apply vsync.
Quote from: 1% on October 14, 2013, 06:24:12 PM
so some sort of an alignment issue but I don't understand this part.
This is timing issue (so far, all these issues were caused by wrong transition in LV state object). But since 7D is dual digic, it may be a little more complex than that.
It is, I got all effects working with big BUT!
Sometimes they skip while recording... maybe transfer to master isn't fast enough.
Vignetting works but crashes... I see vignetting swirl on LV.
QuoteASSERT: !IS_ERROR( TryPostEvent( this->hTaskClass, this, EV_VD_INTR_LV, NULL, 0 ) )
at LVState.c:485, task T²
lv:1 mode:3
Image effects work but sometimes skip frames and "pink frame" h264
Digic ISO works except it slows down the LV for some reason.
There is hope for doing register based shutter if I could only find those stupid regs somehow... if I don't have to shamem read the registers I can pull values and have read/write... hopefully they don't skip..
Some stuff like black level seems to work OK.
I also blocked other regs from being written to the master and this should fix up digic peaking for good... also fixed photo LV digital gain. Upside down mode and image position seem to work too, dunno why latter was undefined.
Took off video hacks/vignetting because one locks up on master after too much toggling and the other doesn't appear to work. They were just bloating the bin at this point.
Quote from: ted ramasola on October 13, 2013, 11:56:13 PM
@1%
Confirmed that DIGIC PEAKING is causing freeze at end of H264 recording.
With Digic Peaking OFF no more H264 record end freeze.
What build are you using? I'm using the 9.29 (with FPS override) and my DIGIC Peaking is not on, when I disabled the raw video, my H264 recording still froze the camera when stopping... Any idea?
Dunno, that was 15 days ago+... I'm using what I just coded/compiled. Not sure if I added the fps undo before H264 stops on that build... so maybe try without FPS enabled or upgrade.
.. so now this weirds me out and needs more testing:
Digic Peaking on: record 3min+ of 1920x1080 in 10x
Digic Peaking off: record 1:30 before buffer fills up.
Its set to turn off while recording so this makes no sense.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on October 14, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
What build are you using? I'm using the 9.29 (with FPS override) and my DIGIC Peaking is not on, when I disabled the raw video, my H264 recording still froze the camera when stopping... Any idea?
I'm using Oct 13 build for that test.
Quote from: Fringuello on October 14, 2013, 06:22:09 PM
since I tried the version Nightly Builds no longer works the crop mode just touch the fps, the machine goes err.
help
IP :-[
IP?
I do not understand how to solve
Update from sept 29
Already done but I have not solved, explain the procedure
Procedure? Explain the bug.
I turn on FPS override and have no crash in NTSC or PAL and in 5X/10X, even now with the digic peaking. H264 or raw works fine.
As soon as I put on in the 7d fps goes to err,
What happens if you switch on the cam *without* a card inserted?
What mode, what else is on? Maybe wait till it rebuilds tonight or delete magic.cfg and start again.
How do I delete magic.cfg? As soon as I get home I try without the card that happens
Its in ML/Settings folder
Wait wait what? How did you upgrade the version if you're not home and/or can't pull the card out of the camera?
I had already made the test to return to the previous version.
the card can be removed maybe I explained evil.
no card is inserted the machine works perfectly
now I'm home
If its broken in sept 29th nothing is going to fix it, hate to tell you.
Make one test with tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Oct13.7D203 raw and h.264 is working good, i just try it with sound disable...
- I think that the image/frame it's a little bit more to the right, wend i use 1728 the white left frame disappear. Nothing to much... Going try now with x5
- Also wend i start to record raw the info that show up, show up in the bottom overlaying the other info that are there. Also not big deal...
Thanks more one time one percent :D
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29/09
thank you very much deleting the file magic.cfg everything ok
folder tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Oct13.7D203 The file 7d_203.fir what is it?
For your cam it's obsolete right now.
It's needed to enable the bootflag on the cam which had already been set.
Last time, I used 30-08-13 britom's build. Now, I try 9-10-13 from 1%'s build and am very impressed that the program is big improved! I got three or four pink frames out of 16 thousand frames, and it was so awesome! Again, I tried to use upsidedown setting on my monitor and got a crash. I just realized that it is not worth time to work on upsidedown for video shooting. The solution is I modify the setting in normal view, then flip my camera and shoot a video. Thank you for the hard work and keep up.
I only tried upside down on the LV screen so I'll have to see what it does to a monitor. Maybe thats why it was disabled.
Quote from: Walter Schulz on October 15, 2013, 12:04:40 AM
For your cam it's obsolete right now.
It's needed to enable the bootflag on the cam which had already been set.
you said to me?
That fir is the signed fir for video hacks. Bin is what auto loads...
Quote from: 1% on October 15, 2013, 12:46:59 AM
I only tried upside down on the LV screen so I'll have to see what it does to a monitor. Maybe thats why it was disabled.
oh, I am sorry. It is my defined word, and my mind thinks a monitor is LV screen on a camera. I don't mean an external monitor. I will write carefully from now.
Its working upside down for me, tried H264 and raw.
In deadview it flashes a bunch so maybe it should be LV only.
Any one got the 10-13-2013 build link handy? I've been searching around and couldn't find it... I might have missed it with a lot of scrolling up and down...
Thank you so much!
Quote from: vnguyen972 on October 15, 2013, 06:29:34 AMAny one got the 10-13-2013 build link handy?
http://tl.bot-fly.com/
And don't forget to read the disclaimer ...
Ciao, Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on October 15, 2013, 06:58:20 AM
http://tl.bot-fly.com/
And don't forget to read the disclaimer ...
Ciao, Walter
Sir, you ROCK!
Thank you!
sorry but do not chew good English I did not understand if I have to use the file 7d_203.fir and how do I use it?
I just need to put the file and folder autoexec.bin ML root of cf.
Not sure if this thread would be proper place to ask but.... Any progress being made on silent picture mode recording more then just 2 sec worth of dng? Wouldnt countiunous capture help raw video.
Quote from: alsey7 on October 15, 2013, 11:17:11 AM
Not sure if this thread would be proper place to ask but.... Any progress being made on silent picture mode recording more then just 2 sec worth of dng? Wouldnt countiunous capture help raw video.
Raw recording is essentially continuous silent pictures, perhaps I'm wrong.
That's right. The only significant differences are:
- silent pics are not cropped (they are always full-size and include optical black areas)
- raw_rec has buffering
Hi folks,
I know this is not the right place for this, but is related to raw and I'll be quick, promise.
I'm applying for this scholarship contest in the "3D and visual effects" course at Vancouver Film School, and I've made a 90 seconds video using my 7D and Magic Lantern RAW to participate. In the video, there's some 3D tracking and special effects (RAW helped a lot with this).
If you have some time, please watch the video - and if you like it - please vote for me, ok?
The link:
http://vfs.edu/contests/myyear/submission/FNcJzOWp
Thank you guys very much.
Tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Oct14.7D203 - Working good, short tests with raw, h.264 and digic peaking... all good =)) Didn't test with x5 or with fps override.
-The sound meter in the Lv don't look correct... -44 (no sound) and with sound the numbers go's good but the meter or is off or is in full range (green)
Thanks =))
*nice video brunonicko
Anyone find a way to make a Komputerbay 128 1000X work on a 7D?
I have a question about cards also. I've been following this thread for some time already and now wondering what would be the best card to buy.
I would really prefer a 128gb card instead of two 64gb cards, and If I have understood correctly, the komputerbay 128gb 1000x would work in 7d, but is slower than 64, or 32gig ones? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Then there's komputerbay 128gb 1050x card, that would be faster, but it has some internal "firmware"? (don't know if this is the correct word) that's newer than on 1000x cards, and that 7D doesn't understand. Is this correct? And if so, is this something that could be changed by komputerbay? Or is the new "firmware" required to get the faster speeds?
In short my question is; What would be the cheapest reliable 128gb card, that would allow me to shoot using the best raw quality possible with 7d? Or is there one?
Hello everyone,
I couldn't find it in the very long thread, but I am unable to record long raw files with the canon 7D (more than 4GO). I use 29/09/13 custom build. It works perfectly fine for files under 4G0 but when i want to put longer ones (more than 2 min duration) in raw magic (on mac OS X), every picture are corrupted (pink frames). Am I missing something or is it just not possible ?
Thanks for your answers.
Try to upgrade for the newest build http://tl.bot-fly.com/ and test for see what going on... i just test small recordes
Thanks. I will give it a try.
I still do not understand what is the file 7D_203.fir :o
Depending on the size,
~12MB - Boot flag fir or canon firmware upgrade
~400KB - signed autoexec.bin
I'll have to check on the meter and see if its right.
Says -40 when there is nothing. -1 or -2 when full for internal/external.
Also it falls slowly so maybe thats why you have a problem.
Hello again,
I have tried with last tragic lantern custom build but it is still impossible to record more than 2 minutes of raw video. The files in the card are such as these :
M01-0102.R00 4,29 Go
M01-0102.R01 4,29 Go
M01-0102.R02 1,36
M01-0102.RAW 4,29 Go
When I try to convert the RAW file to dng with raw magic, all the pictures are corrupted.
IN raw2DNG, the file is unreadable.
What am I missing here ?
(the computerbay card is formatted in the camera. When I format it with the disk utlitary, I have to do it again in the camera or it is unreadable).
Thank you very much for your answers.
Did you combine all of the files?
Thats like 16GB.. I think more than 2 minutes there.
What do you mean by combining all the files ? I just put them in raw magic and convert the one that is readable.
Anyway, thanks for your help.
Quote from: slothorp on October 16, 2013, 10:07:22 PM
Hello again,
I have tried with last tragic lantern custom build but it is still impossible to record more than 2 minutes of raw video. The files in the card are such as these :
M01-0102.R00 4,29 Go
M01-0102.R01 4,29 Go
M01-0102.R02 1,36
M01-0102.RAW 4,29 Go
When I try to convert the RAW file to dng with raw magic, all the pictures are corrupted.
IN raw2DNG, the file is unreadable.
What am I missing here ?
(the computerbay card is formatted in the camera. When I format it with the disk utlitary, I have to do it again in the camera or it is unreadable).
Thank you very much for your answers.
You have to join all of the 4 files with a program called HjSplit.
To do that you have to rename the files extensions like this .001,.002 ,.003,.004.
After the files are joined into one big file rename the file back to .RAW end you are ready to use raw2dng or other program to extract the dng file and edite them.
Other option is to use Raw2cdng.
Drag and drop all 4 files into the program end you will get all dng files extracted.
Edit:
From here you can download the program http://dl.phreekz.de/raw2cdng/raw2cdng.1.3.0.zip
Quote from: slothorp on October 16, 2013, 10:20:01 PM
What do you mean by combining all the files ? I just put them in raw magic and convert the one that is readable.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Rawanizer does this for me too, by itself.
BTW, I unfucked the meter. I guess signed vs unsigned is what it needed.
Quote from: 1% on October 16, 2013, 11:07:52 PM
BTW, I unfucked the meter. I guess signed vs unsigned is what it needed.
AHUUUUUUU =DD
Im noticing in the latest build that EOScard installs there are overlays that clutter up the system menu. I find im holding SET while booting to disable ML, then setting the settings i need, then restarting. Didn't used to do this and I havnt noticed anyone else mention this issue, hopefully it can be easily resolved?
System menu?
I must be missing something, but the tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Oct15.7D203 release freezes my 7D when I turn on the raw module. Via firmware update.
Any idea?
don't use the .fir just replace your old installation with nightly ML folder and autoexec.bin
Quote from: 1% on October 16, 2013, 11:07:52 PM
BTW, I unfucked the meter. I guess signed vs unsigned is what it needed.
Where's your pull request?
Thank you all for your answers. It works on windows (with raw2cdng) but having still difficulties on mac os.
a1ex,
I'm trying to track down the method of reproducing this, but I've had it happen several times, but even with FPS Override off, I have occasions that the shutter speed is locked when ML is loaded. I'm not sure if you've encountered this, but I'll delete my config file and move on from there.
Yey for the meter!! :D One other thing, the Digic Peaking works while not recording, but as soon as you hit record it goes away and you see normal lv.. can this be fixed or was this the workaround? It's the best tool for focusing :D Thanks!
Quote from: 1% on October 17, 2013, 01:49:29 AM
System menu?
Yes, the Canon menu as opposed to ML menu (pressing the menu button instead of the trashbin)
A minor thing doesn't seem to effect actual shooting but should you have to root around in there looking for something it gets annoying.
Quote from: tonybeccar on October 17, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
Yey for the meter!! :D One other thing, the Digic Peaking works while not recording, but as soon as you hit record it goes away and you see normal lv.. can this be fixed or was this the workaround? It's the best tool for focusing :D Thanks!
-What is the settings that you use in Digic Peaking?
so im getting my 64gb 1000x card tomorrow. However i got some questions concerning the installation process. Is this thread still up2date for the latest releases (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0)? Are there any other things i have to consider? Last but not least first thing i want to do is testing the CF card speed. Can somebody tell me the right settings for the ml benchmark?
Btw great work you people are doing!
Quote from: arrinkiiii on October 18, 2013, 12:39:46 AM
-What is the settings that you use in Digic Peaking?
Slightly sharper..
This looks great m1ke !
I also been fed up of the debug display while raw recording, but for now I just commented it out in the code...
I like it.
me2
me3
Quote from: ted ramasola on October 18, 2013, 10:05:29 PM
me3
Thanks guys. I will submit this over the weekend (at the day job now). One newbie question: having a 7D I have been copying One Percent's Tragic Lantern version down for my builds. Should I create a branch on that and submit a pull request or should I create a branch off the main Magic Lantern tree?
Quote from: m1ke on October 18, 2013, 10:27:09 PM
Thanks guys. I will submit this over the weekend (at the day job now). One newbie question: having a 7D I have been copying One Percent's Tragic Lantern version down for my builds. Should I create a branch on that and submit a pull request or should I create a branch off the main Magic Lantern tree?
submitting a pull request is the proper etiquette. Besides, A1ex already like it. ;)
yesterday came my KB 64gb 1000x card. I ran some benchmarks however the benchmarks performs only to 8/9 98/100, tried it a few times, always the same result....
Write speed looks alright to me, what do you guys think?
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/131019/ii9he29h.bmp)
Also i was testing @1% 29/9 build @ raw_rec 1x mode @ 1728xX @ 16/9 = no issues no pink frames at all :D
Quote from: m1ke on October 18, 2013, 10:27:09 PM
Thanks guys. I will submit this over the weekend (at the day job now). One newbie question: having a 7D I have been copying One Percent's Tragic Lantern version down for my builds. Should I create a branch on that and submit a pull request or should I create a branch off the main Magic Lantern tree?
I'd like to have it in the main ML tree.
Maybe you (or anyone else) can also create another pull request with the relevant changes from 1% (or convince 1% to do it, because I didn't succeed, and TL is still diverging from ML with no signs of merging back).
Off topic but please lets not have TL and ML get into a big old mess. I don't want to see a focal vs CyanogenMod drama to happen here ;D
As I see 1% merge the changes from the main repo regularly to his fork so the two versions are not so different.
However I hope he will send his important changes back to the main repo soon.
Quote from: Pelican on October 19, 2013, 10:03:04 AM
As I see 1% merge the changes from the main repo regularly to his fork so the two versions are not so different.
Not quite. Last time I've tried to merge the changes, the main differences were pretty significant and some of them dangerous (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9510.msg78084#msg78084). Imagine somebody giving you a car with the hand brake removed and telling you don't need it (that is, disabling some of the error checks from Canon code).
I don't mind this in a development branch clearly labeled as such, but I don't want this stuff in the main builds. I worked very hard to make ML code as robust as possible (more than 100000 shutter clicks from my cameras were just to diagnose random crashes), and seeing this being thrown out of the window is not quite pleasant.
This post (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/elmah/apjeMhDj61Y/1lum10-543sJ) explains the issue pretty well:
Quote
1) They keep my brand/project name in their forked project. I spent a
ton of time building credit against a quality software product, and
for somebody to come and mooch off my hard brand building really makes
me mad. Because while the software is open sourced, my time and
effort is not.
[...]
3) Make sure you make it clear in all your documents that the fork is
not supported by the original team, and that any changes made in this
fork is supported by you and nobody else. Because all too often, I
have received support requests for somebody elses fork. And then when
I have to tell the person that, it is not my work, they get mad at me
for a problem the forker caused. So make sure you are going to
support your fork, don't fork it and leave it to die. This also sort
of goes back to #1 about why different brands need to be created for
the fork, so that the end user doesn't get confused about who is
supporting the software.
Quote
However I hope he will send his important changes back to the main repo soon.
Tragic Lantern has been around for more than one year (since 2012-06-28 according to Bitbucket), and I have yet to see a single pull request from 1%. So far, me and Nanomad have been trying to pull his changes blindly, with various degrees of success.
So I hope for the same thing, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Sorry about that.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 29, 2013, 08:40:53 PM
Actually the recording is really 5X, but I am going to 10x so LV freezes and allows for faster recording at 5X
10x raw record not frozen on tragiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Oct11.7D203 for me. I don't know why, but it only works if you cycle through display modes first. Something specific in the MAGIC.CFG as well. Here is the cfg I use.
# Magic Lantern v2.3.NEXT.2013Oct11.7D203 (dd08a07137b8 (unified) tip)
# Built on 2013-10-12 03:28:27 UTC by
[email protected]# Configuration saved on 2013/10/19 12:45:23
beta.warn = 19
menu.first = -3
bitrate.indicator = 1
time.indicator = 0
uniwb.correction = 0
arrows.iso_kelvin = 0
arrows.audio = 0
arrows.set = 0
bv.av = 16
bv.tv = 103
bv.iso = 77
screen_layout.ext = 4
screen_layout.lcd = 2
shutter.lock.value = 96
enable-liveview = 0
focus.rack.delay = 0
focus.wait = 0
fps.override.idx = 32
battery.drain.rate.rev = 89
hist.draw = 0
audio.mgain = 0
audio.monitoring = 0
audio.filters = 0
spotmeter.draw = 0
waveform.draw = 0
focus.peaking.disp = 1
focus.peaking.thr = 10
focus.peaking.filter.edges = 1
zebra.draw = 0
global.draw = 0
disp.mode.x = 0
disp.mode.c = 145
disp.mode.b = 257
disp.mode.a = 257
lv.disp.profiles = 1
beep.enabled = 0
Im getting in crop mode 2500xX around 250-270 frames, write speed is around 81-82 Mb/s without warmup (gave me most frames). How many frames do you get?
Hello !!!!!!!what about the new Features of the 20 Oct TL????Thank´s!!!!!
Quotesomebody giving you a car with the hand brake removed and telling you don't need it
Heheh, I had 2 cars where the hand/parking brake disintegrated. I didn't need it. Disc brakes are pneumatic, they still work and their chances of failure are lower than the cheap drum brake... this is on an auto tho, with a manual I can see it being necessary as you're in neutral a bunch more.
10X can be unfrozen with some display filters but its more fun frozen for me.
I'm all done changing PCs so I'll be able to pull new changes today or tomorrow. For pull requests I'll have to merge stuff back, maybe the best way will be a clean repo and then add 1 change at a time.
LOL! ;D ;D
I like the humor and hope that you keep having fun and keep doing great development work. Although being restricted in your creativity from safety concerns makes development less fun, I hope that you can find a way to keep smiling and contributing to the main branch.
The indicator is awesome. There should be a choice between the buffer display and the compact one however. On cams with piddly buffers you may want to see whats going on. Also would help people who have slower cards when they're testing resolutions.
Maybe only needs the buffers on/off
Quote from: 1% on October 21, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
Heheh, I had 2 cars where the hand/parking brake disintegrated. I didn't need it. Disc brakes are pneumatic, they still work and their chances of failure are lower than the cheap drum brake...
Hydraulic! ...and though the chances of failure may be lower or higher, it's the diversity (of actuation and operation) that'll save your hide some day. ;)
Quote from: 1% on October 22, 2013, 06:12:17 AM
The indicator is awesome. There should be a choice between the buffer display and the compact one however. On cams with piddly buffers you may want to see whats going on. Also would help people who have slower cards when they're testing resolutions.
Maybe only needs the buffers on/off
I didn't want to add to a proliferation of menu entries if it was not useful. There is a #define in the code which enables a menu entry to turn all the old messages/displays back on. I can turn that on and tweak the code a little so it only displays the buffers and not the info that is redundant with the new indicator.
QuoteHydraulic!
Good catch. I tried stopping with the parking brake once (on a car it functioned), it did not work so hot. Had a brake line rupture on a 4000lb van and the hydraulic brakes still stopped it. Also had a caliper piston eject on another car with disintegrated pads and it stopped too.
QuoteThere is a #define in the code which enables a menu entry to turn all the old messages/displays back on. I can turn that on and tweak the code a little so it only displays the buffers and not the info that is redundant with the new indicator.
Yea, the redundant stuff needs to go. But the buffer view would be a nice option in addition to it for trying a new card without having to define everything + recompile.
The indicator is nice, but I wish it was even more out of the way and off the image. Having stuff in the image can be a problem, especially when it hides a boom mic in the shot.
How about using the bars for the main recording indicator, including the color treatment for buffer stress? http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8539.msg80890#msg80890
I personally don't need to see detailed buffer information unless something is wrong. And something is never wrong for me.
Hi all
Thanks to everyone involved for their hard work to date - fantastic product which is making my life easier.
I've decided to try out RAW Video recording on a Lexar 1000x 32gb card and so far have installed the latest build.
Can anyone explain to me or link me to a set of instructions on how to enable raw recording in camera?
Am i only able to do it in silent burst mode and then combine photos in post?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
chish :)
Raw video in the video tab, make sure you only load 1 MLV_rec or raw_rec
Another test, I noticed that by moving the focus has given me pink frames
QuoteI am guessing they use less CPU..
I'm not sure, but it seems that if CPU load is an issue due to certain overlay features (histo etc), the user could turn those off individually instead of turning Overlay off entirely. I think this should be equivalent, CPU-wise, to allowing bars to draw with GD off. But maybe it's not.
This may also be related to raw_rec cropmarks which currently seem to have a dependency on Overlay: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/6e63779e0dcf9e8bfc57fe54eca1ab65a884787f#comment-498757
I've looked but can not see adjustment
Hi guys! So i haven't been here a two montHs and im curious if there is any new stuff in ML for 7D? I was going through this thread and found that it's possible to shoot 1080p but only in crop mode and the continuous resolution is something about 1728x972px no crop. But maybe i something overlooked, so could someone write me some recapitulation of the last ML version? Pleeeaase guys :)
Quote from: LiFou on October 23, 2013, 04:33:30 PM
Hi guys! So i haven't been here a two montHs and im curious if there is any new stuff in ML for 7D? I was going through this thread and found that it's possible to shoot 1080p but only in crop mode and the continuous resolution is something about 1728x972px no crop. But maybe i something overlooked, so could someone write me some recapitulation of the last ML version? Pleeeaase guys :)
Instead of expecting people to spoon feed you, why don't you make yourself a nice cup of warm cocoa, don your reading glasses and start reading the thread? ;)
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to do a bit of work to learn something new.
Quoteto allowing bars to draw with GD off. But maybe it's not.
The white bars were OK and did just this. The overlay style blackout I'm not sure about.
I'm actually a fan of seeing the whole screen.
Quote1728x972px
Meh, with JPEG quality, hence all memory available, I can work up to ~full size 1X (1728x1152) on the first recording now.
QuoteI'm actually a fan of seeing the whole screen.
Not me. I find composing harder when out-of-frame image is visible
Thats why it should have been a setting.
Hi. I want to ask 1% - maybe you can help me and direct me where I can find some info about RAW file format. Recently, I accidently delete some RAW files and need pattern to recover them. Thanks.
Testdisk and other recovery programs should get the files back. Then you can add a header from a good file and replace the frame count or resolution.
Quote from: m1ke on October 23, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
hdclip - I think this is now in the nightly builds - you could look here: http://tl.bot-fly.com/ - the usual warnings about this being untested alpha code apply.
I just installed the most recent nightly build but couldn't see the indicator when recording MLV RAW. Is there something that I need to turn on to see it (I tried it with global draw both on and off)?
EDIT: Nevermind, I see it now. I see that it's only for the raw_rec module and not MLV.
It still has to be added to MLV, should be in raw_rec
how to install tragiclatern? copy paste on cf card via cf card reader?
m1ke, Your contribution seems just perfect...Thank you very much for all!!!!!!!!this is wonderfull....
Wait what?? 1% you are able to record at 1728x1152 at 1x with setting set to jpeg. When did this happen. Or I'm I missing something. I read this thread everyday. Explain yourself is it in the latest tl build
uhm, I've been able to do the 1728x1152 (or 56 if you want i guess) for a while now. If you're on 25P then you might have to do the 1038.
Quote from: britom on August 22, 2013, 09:49:06 PM
HOLY FUCK!
So after my brain almost exploded, i managed to make liveview work while recording. I guess the problem was that we were not using a free edmac channel.
Original edmac-memcpy.c was using channel 0x11, that was busy in the debug menu.
#else
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;
So i added this line so it uses channel 0x04 instead
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;
Liveview now works while recording but the recording rectangle disapeared. Lets continue working :)
Here's the new autoexec.bin:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz
Don't forget to copy the modules too. Im not a programmer by the way, so im probably misunderstanding some things.
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Edit: I just reviewed the files that i recorded and they're empty, so i'm probably an idiot :P. Anyone can confirm?
Edit 2: Changed to 0x05 to 0x04. Updated autoexec.bin. Some pink and skipped frames on my slow card, but liveview works! I will continue to try new values.
I'm a newbie here and before I ask my question I would like to share that I have read all 68 pages of this forum over and over again for 4 days now. I have also been on bitbucket and goggle and I'm unable to resolve my live view freezing when recording live video. I have installed the ML on my 7D and it's working great!! I'm not a programmer so I'm unable to understand whats going here. I saw this post" changing the line "uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;" to "uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;" on the edmac-memcpy.c file." What is that and do I edit this. Can someone help me. I'm going crazy over. I can follow simple direction, or can someone share the files that I need so I can copy it to my CF card? Before I forget I would like to thank everyone here who have worked really hard on this codes. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! I TRULY GREATFUL!!!!
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x0A; /*Read 0x19 0x0D 0x0B 0x0A(82MB/S)*/
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x06; /* Write 0x5 0x6 0x4 (LV) */
This is the best I've found.
Quote from: 1% on October 25, 2013, 06:09:34 AM
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x0A; /*Read 0x19 0x0D 0x0B 0x0A(82MB/S)*/
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x06; /* Write 0x5 0x6 0x4 (LV) */
This is the best I've found.
Understood, and thank you, but how do you install this. I don't know how or what to do with these codes. This there some kind of instructions? I search all 68 pages and didn't find it. I goggled and couldn't find it.
Quote from: 1% on October 24, 2013, 05:43:51 PM
Testdisk and other recovery programs should get the files back. Then you can add a header from a good file and replace the frame count or resolution.
Ive looked some RAW files and cant find coomon pattern in the header (if it exist). Only at the end of file I found some common, but cant figure it out whats in there...
Quote from: rhythmg on October 25, 2013, 06:46:25 AM
Understood, and thank you, but how do you install this. I don't know how or what to do with these codes. This there some kind of instructions? I search all 68 pages and didn't find it. I goggled and couldn't find it.
Those codes are already included in the latest builds here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
someone has noticed excessive battery consumption???even after turning off the camera with the 15% or 20% the next day exhausted battery....
Only if you've improperly shut down or removed the card too quickly. There is no LED blink like the other cameras. So after pulling the card power the camera on/off. If it didn't power on card was removed too soon and there goes your battery if you leave it like this.
Can anyone imagine a safeguard for this? Some kind of watchdog process? Or some kind of "ok to remove card" signal/UI?
I'm not sure if the blink is from ML or from canon, maybe a1ex knows?
Strangely enough the LED on my cam blinks shortly when removing one card (Transcend) but not the other (Sandisk). Both got the same version of Magic Lantern on them.
With the new MLV from TL im getting pink frames and the historaw go's crazy wend are recording.
I'm using the 29/09/2013 build. When I record I do so with global draw off. The crop box remains on for a few seconds and then disappears for about 20 seconds. Is there any way to have this crop box on all the time with global draw?? Cheers for your help ! :)
Sorry I meant WITHOUT global draw on.
I shot this with the raw capability on the latest ML
https://vimeo.com/77804175
Without vaf filter seems very interesting that we cannot see any moire?
Any post production applied?
Thanks
Quote from: mityazabuben on October 23, 2013, 02:24:32 PM
A little test:
Without vaf filter seems very interesting that we cannot see any moire?
Any post production applied?
Thanks
ps. sorry for double posting
No moire only when shoot in a crop mode. Import to AE through ACR with a little post processing.
ok thanks
hi,
i hope this is the right thread. i have tow issues with Sound. I defined to have a seperate sound file. Now i got new sound files added to each movie. But there seems to be 2 strange issues.
1. The name: when i create a new movie the name is like MVI_2621.MOV, but the sound file has the name MVI_2620.WAV
2. Playing the file: everytime i try to play these file i got the error message: Error
File: G:\DCIM\100EOS7D\MVI_2620.WAV
Code: -2147024895 (80070001)
Message: IAudioClient.Initialize
-------------------------
Format: 44100 Hz / 32 Bit / Stereo
Is there something i have to do to play these files? or do i need some special tool?
Thanks for the help
sorry missed the half of the message:.....
File: G:\DCIM\100EOS7D\MVI_2620.WAV
Code: 5 (00000005)
Message: Invalid handle
Quote from: Aquablue71 on October 27, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
hi,
i hope this is the right thread. i have tow issues with Sound. I defined to have a seperate sound file. Now i got new sound files added to each movie. But there seems to be 2 strange issues.
1. The name: when i create a new movie the name is like MVI_2621.MOV, but the sound file has the name MVI_2620.WAV
2. Playing the file: everytime i try to play these file i got the error message: Error
File: G:\DCIM\100EOS7D\MVI_2620.WAV
Code: -2147024895 (80070001)
Message: IAudioClient.Initialize
-------------------------
Format: 44100 Hz / 32 Bit / Stereo
Is there something i have to do to play these files? or do i need some special tool?
Thanks for the help
What is the version of Magic Lantern that you are using ? I think in the new build the separeted audio already works with the same number that the video.
http://tl.bot-fly.com/
The audio is 4800, 2 channel 16 bit. Open in sound forge or audacity to fix the header, otherwise its 6 hours long.
Thanks 1% i will do this.
arrinkiii: it seems i used a older version :). when i use the never version. Do i also have to use the new fir and autoexec file or can i stay on my "old" one?
thanks for the help :)
You need to replace the 2 files and also the module folder and you are set to go :D
arrinkiii: so far it worked fine, but it seems that this version still hase different names.
1%: i installed now audacity, i try to change to the settings that you described, but it seems not working. Can you give me a short hint how to change the header with that tool, that it is working.
thanks
You have to open the unmolested files with audacity and resave. If you used something else then I dunno because nothing is set to 44.1
This error also happen to... but after in premiere (i dont know why) it just work. I have open the files in Cubase but any sound editor just work fine.
With my sound card, wend i have open after effects and premiere i got problems with sound, don't yet find the issue, if i open sound in AE after in Premiere the sound just don't play. Need to close everything and open again only the premiere. I think one is in 48khz and the other in 41khz and the sound card just go crazy.
For solve the huge length of audio, until been fix, open in any sound editor, cut the extra lenght with no sound save again with same name and you are good to go. I din't do this, i just export the sound under de video in premiere and then just cut the extra.
In the begging wend i try the listen the sound from a clip in premiere the file just didn't have nothing, try open in media player, bsplayer and nothing, it just give's me a error... open in cubase and the sound are there... open again in premiere and everything is good, just needed to cut the extra length. Also see if your sound card accept 48khz audio files (that should) and premiere are working with that number.
Believe me, first time open the sound in premiere and din'd listen nothing... i just went crazy...!!! but in the end everything went ok.
Hello!!!!!! i just bought a Lexar 1000x and i want to know if I need to do this ( http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0 ) for the magic lantern is self-executing on turn on or just format in ext fat32 just copy the files???Thank You very much and sorry for my English, thankyou translator!!!!!!! ;)
Yea, premiere and vegas have issues if its not re-saved. Vegas dupes it for 6 hours so you have your audio repeating over and over :)
Good day Guys,
* One question!
Any build is available to record the audio?
if so, I would appreciate that indicate it is and how to use it,
thank you very much. :)
You can do H264 canon audio w/ audio controls. You can do wav with H264 as well with length problems like on anything else.
For raw you can't even have 1728x1152 + GD so no room for audio unless you really want to shrink the video size.
I mean that if I recorded in raw, I can not record audio separately?
(I'm just recording in 1280x720)
* I also could indicate that this stable build to date? those of tragic lantern?
Thanx! :)
You might be able to pull it off with 720P, not sure. Try it. Start recording from the sound recorder and then raw.
You decide if its stable or not :) No magic formula to determine if its stable or not besides using it.
Quote from: 1% on October 28, 2013, 04:19:35 PM
Yea, premiere and vegas have issues if its not re-saved. Vegas dupes it for 6 hours so you have your audio repeating over and over :)
Yes, in premiere the wav sound file have the recorded audio and then silence for long length (didn't see how long). Just need to click and move to the right length of the audio clip , easy =))
thank you very much for your help @1%
Yay, I finally got my CF cards!! Can't wait to play with this tonight or tomorrow... but first two questions:
1) Is http://tl.bot-fly.com/ the permalink to the most recent builds?
2) It seems that site is building nightlies automatically... is that the right way to go, or is there a "stable alpha" (I know, oxymoron) sort of build there?
Also, is it too much to ask for a quick list of ways to get best performance with specifics? i.e. disable global draw, set stills to jpg mode, things like that?
Hello! New user here!
I've installed Magic lantern on my 7D last week and i was able to use it on a short video for a music band. Well there's nothing much to say, magic lantern kicks the 7D pretty hard and it give the camera a new life!
Here's an example of what is capable with just a 50 mm 1.8 cheap lens
(http://i.imgur.com/stIKYWLl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/stIKYWL)
I pushed the settings quite a bit and it's flawless! Just amazing!
So thank you! Ill make sure to give credit to everyone!
can you give a setting check list to what you have on and off in your last menu?
it seems when im recording in raw the playback of the final result on a computer seems to be faster than the actual fps settings! audio syncing from a external recorder seems impossible :( can anyone confirm that?
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Deleting its what i did :) I'm asking because most of the time half of the videos seam to play normaly and the rest seam to be playing faster than the rest. I've seen in the forum Tikos music clip shot with 7d raw and everithing seems to be fine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3halXv1b40
Is it a problem of my cf card speed, settings maybe or latest tragiclantern build, don't now! can anybody help?
Remember zoom mode is 30FPS unless you override it. So if you were shooting 24P/zoom then half of your clips would be 24p and the other half zoom, etc.
Thanks 1% for the quick reply!! I'm shooting 1x with fps override at 23.976. Tried it with 1x and no fps override and i'm getting the same fps with no change at the result. Is the default fps for 1x at 23.966 or is it the same as x5
Thanks again!!!
FPS override has some overhead so if you can shoot without it you'll get better speeds. Unless there is something causing aliasing/moire I prefer non crop on this camera. At this point it feels pretty much like H264 after initially getting up to speed.
ok thanks for the info 1% and keep up the good work!!! :D
nice workflow
Lightroom
Quicktime Pro (if you know how to get it ;) )
After Effects
really simple and cool...
Quote from: mrnv45 on October 31, 2013, 06:43:32 AM
nice workflow
Lightroom
Quicktime Pro (if you know how to get it ;) )
After Effects
really simple and cool...
Where is rawmagic?
rawmagic: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0
Straying off topic but sorry, but I would
really advise against that workflow.
Lightroom was never designed to process CinemaDNG sequences. The database engine hasn't been optimized for tens of thousands of frames in a
temporary transcoding pipeline. It assumes you're permanently importing photographs into the catalog (so all that waiting around is while it writes hundreds of megabytes of SQL and preview data to disk that you'll never need again), and while the developments in Lr are nondestructive, the exports aren't. The point of using raw footage is to retain it for as long into the pipeline as possible, so for example you can change the white balance long after you've started cutting the dailies.
After Effects includes
exactly the same Camera RAW engine as is used in Lr, but in AE it's been integrated specifically to support frame sequences. No temporary files are created, your developments for frame 1 are automatically applied to all the others, and it's
completely nondestructive. ACR supports user presets, lens corrections, etc. and the only things missing in the ACR window compared to the Lr UI are tools which would never be used on frame sequences (such as healing brushes).
Bouncing through a Quicktime DI is also a very bad idea, as the QT engine isn't optimized for 64-bit platforms (unlike Ae and ACR). The entire point behind the DirectLink pipeline between AE and Pr is to avoid
any need for intermediates.
The 'correct' workflow at the moment, from an Adobe point of view, is to import the DNG sequences directly into After Effects on a 16 or 32-bit comp, apply import corrections (lens adjustments, whibal and detail) in ACR then grade the footage on the timeline. If you want to cut in Premiere Pro, simply drop the AE comps into a Pr sequence. Everything remains 100% nondestructive and x64-compatible.
All this will be moot when the update to the CC video tools collection are rolled out to the public, as you'll then be able to load cDNG sequences into Premiere Pro and Speedgrade. They've been delayed while engineering perform some additional tests, but they're due shortly.
~D~
Quote from: mrnv45 on October 31, 2013, 06:43:32 AM
nice workflow
Lightroom
Quicktime Pro (if you know how to get it ;) )
After Effects
really simple and cool...
I sold my old 7D and just got a new 7D, just to prove that I am a big 7D fan. But problem comes that there is a Ver.2 sign on the box, and, after some searching the internet, I have found that Ver.2 7D might brick the camera if flashing to 1.x firmwares. So I am wondering if there is any solution that I need not flash back to fw1.2.3, in order to get autoboot ML? Thanks in advance.
Start reading here and follow instructions by the letter!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
And you will find this info (among others):
===
Why am I using fir 1.1.0 when my cam is 2.0.3?
A common enough question. The 1.1.0 firmware file does not "downgrade" your camera, it simply applys the bootflag to the cam so it will search and run the auto exe when the camera boots. This is great and dangerous all in one. Great because it means ML can run at start every time. Dangerous because if ML has bad settings or flawed modules it can screw up the cam every time it turns on.
===
Ciao
Walter
Great thanks, Mr.Schulz ;D
I patched my old 7D a different way than this, so I didn't know all these. I will give it a try when I can get my hands on my new 7D in a couple of days. Thanks again.
Things are getting better and better around here. I keep reading this forum day after day. Really enjoying raw recording. Thanks guys!!
Quote from: DFM on October 31, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
Straying off topic but sorry, but I would really advise against that workflow.
Lightroom was never designed to process CinemaDNG sequences. The database engine hasn't been optimized for tens of thousands of frames in a temporary transcoding pipeline. It assumes you're permanently importing photographs into the catalog (so all that waiting around is while it writes hundreds of megabytes of SQL and preview data to disk that you'll never need again), and while the developments in Lr are nondestructive, the exports aren't. The point of using raw footage is to retain it for as long into the pipeline as possible, so for example you can change the white balance long after you've started cutting the dailies.
After Effects includes exactly the same Camera RAW engine as is used in Lr, but in AE it's been integrated specifically to support frame sequences. No temporary files are created, your developments for frame 1 are automatically applied to all the others, and it's completely nondestructive. ACR supports user presets, lens corrections, etc. and the only things missing in the ACR window compared to the Lr UI are tools which would never be used on frame sequences (such as healing brushes).
Bouncing through a Quicktime DI is also a very bad idea, as the QT engine isn't optimized for 64-bit platforms (unlike Ae and ACR). The entire point behind the DirectLink pipeline between AE and Pr is to avoid any need for intermediates.
The 'correct' workflow at the moment, from an Adobe point of view, is to import the DNG sequences directly into After Effects on a 16 or 32-bit comp, apply import corrections (lens adjustments, whibal and detail) in ACR then grade the footage on the timeline. If you want to cut in Premiere Pro, simply drop the AE comps into a Pr sequence. Everything remains 100% nondestructive and x64-compatible.
All this will be moot when the update to the CC video tools collection are rolled out to the public, as you'll then be able to load cDNG sequences into Premiere Pro and Speedgrade. They've been delayed while engineering perform some additional tests, but they're due shortly.
~D~
well someone who has clips like mine that ACR wont pull up in After effects only way to get ACR is through photoshop.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9086.new#new
so for the moment this was a great sub. since i didnt have the raw files only sequence.
ive seen plenty of people use lightroom to convert. WITHOUT NOISE REDUCTION, GRAIN ADDING and WITHOUT SHARPENING in light room.. .
and as for the quicktime export. the person who created THIS VIDEO, was one of the people who first told me how to EXPORT from Quicktime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw (Chamillionaire - Ridin Dirty)
so its not the first time ive heard it was a good way to export.
i honestly PERSONALLY dont see any difference for YOUTUBE purpose but maybe for On screen or dvd.
How crop mode looks on 18mm?
;D Better than I thought
(http://i42.tinypic.com/29e6is5.png)
Sweet. Who needs a zoom or prime set? Just grab a wide lens and choose crop mode accordingly :D
So with my komputerbay cards, the write speed seems fine, averaging around 80 MB/s or so in playback mode with global draw off
But the read speeds are awful- around 55MB/s
Do I need to worry about this? I don't care if it takes a while to copy the data off the card, I just want it to perform well while shooting
how many frames do you get on crop mode?
I'm really confused- how do I shoot crop mode?
When I press the zoom button and record it seems to just do a digital zoom of the 1728w... (I don't mean by eye, I mean the resulting files are 1728w)
oh nm I get it- first need to zoom, and then new resolutions are acceptable from ML menu. Cool :D
-crop mode/zoom mode 5x.... imagine with a 200mm lens
-After u press the zoom button, go to ML menu and chose your desire frame rate =))
-Im still having pink/corrupted frames with the latest MLV, even the LV in MLV have some delay, glitch... with raw legacy everything go's good.
So is this correct- if remaining at the same resolution and zooming in, it's a digital zoom (i.e. lower quality), but if zooming in and increasing resolution, it's a crop (i.e. same or higher quality)? If that's right, is there a simple equation to figure out where that balances out to avoid digital-zoom artifacts?
Also, is this correct- aspect ratio is simply an in-camera crop of the image data, mostly useful to allow ML to keep the desired framerate. i.e. it's not doing any anamorphic squeezing or anything like that, ideal would be to keep aspect ratio at 1:1 and record at full sensor resolution and crop in post if desired for aesthetic reasons (obviously that's not achievable right now, just trying to understand what Aspect ratio here means exactly)?
With force FPS set to 24 and optimize for exact framerate, with the komputerbay 64GB 1000x:
One of my cards gets around 8 seconds @ 2512x1004 and the other gets around 11 seconds
The strange thing is that the 8 seconds one has a weird message on the screen- about 5 lines that say "hack [hex code] [resolution]"
Global draw is off in both the display menu and raw menu. Any idea what that's about?
A quick test- bringing the 2512x1004 into a 1920x1080 timeline and scaling up a tad to fit looks great and gives some room for horizontal moves, without aliasing :D
Quote from: arrinkiiii on November 01, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
-Im still having pink/corrupted frames with the latest MLV, even the LV in MLV have some delay, glitch... with raw legacy everything go's good.
Same here. Not seen a corrupted frame in RAW for weeks, but
everything I've shot in MLV is littered with them (it's not a buffer/card issue, I get bad frames at 1280x720 from MLVs but the same card will write continuous RAW files at full non-crop resolution and they're perfect).
It's annoying because the 'canikon' headers from RAW2DNG aren't correct, so the frame sequence doesn't comply with the rather strict requirements for CinemaDNG.
First question - Yes and no. Regular '1x' video records across the entire sensor width, so to get video resolutions it skips lines and pixels, as if you were putting a mesh grid in front of the sensor. Shooting in '5x' crop mode you are sampling without line-skipping, as if you were shooting a regular photo. The recorded area in crop mode is a small region from the center of the CCD, hence the magnification. There's no loss of image quality, indeed by avoiding line-skipping you cure the alias/moire problem. The drawback is the need for UWA lenses to give some manageable field of view.
Second question - Correct; it's just altering the region being recorded. No pixel aspect ratio adjustments going on. Yes you would ideally grab the max resolution and crop in post, but for most people that's not going to be practicable. Even if card speeds are up to the job, you start needing another backpack to carry them in.
Quote from: dmk on November 01, 2013, 10:31:59 AM
So is this correct- if remaining at the same resolution and zooming in, it's a digital zoom (i.e. lower quality), but if zooming in and increasing resolution, it's a crop (i.e. same or higher quality)? If that's right, is there a simple equation to figure out where that balances out to avoid digital-zoom artifacts?
Also, is this correct- aspect ratio is simply an in-camera crop of the image data, mostly useful to allow ML to keep the desired framerate. i.e. it's not doing any anamorphic squeezing or anything like that, ideal would be to keep aspect ratio at 1:1 and record at full sensor resolution and crop in post if desired for aesthetic reasons (obviously that's not achievable right now, just trying to understand what Aspect ratio here means exactly)?
With MLV i get the right name/header in ACR/after effects --> Canon 7D
Quote from: DFM on November 01, 2013, 11:40:04 AM
First question - Yes and no. Regular '1x' video records across the entire sensor width, so to get video resolutions it skips lines and pixels, as if you were putting a mesh grid in front of the sensor. Shooting in '5x' crop mode you are sampling without line-skipping, as if you were shooting a regular photo. The recorded area in crop mode is a small region from the center of the CCD, hence the magnification. There's no loss of image quality, indeed by avoiding line-skipping you cure the alias/moire problem. The drawback is the need for UWA lenses to give some manageable field of view.
Thanks for that clear explanation. How does the "Resolution" setting in the Raw Video menu relate to this?
Quote from: dmk on November 01, 2013, 12:24:43 PM
Thanks for that clear explanation. How does the "Resolution" setting in the Raw Video menu relate to this?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Thanks, that first link is very informative!
So now my only concern really is that hacks display...
Here's a test of the 8 seconds recording:
5x zoom @ 2512x1004
FPS Override @24fps w/ priority for constant FPS.
Shutter via Canon @ 50
Tungsten Fresnel lights on European Current
Is the flicker just the smoke blocking the light? Can't tell... will need to do some more tests to make sure I didn't mess something up
Tried setting preview to Hacks No Preview but there is still liveview... I thought that's supposed to disable it in order to free up some more juice for ML?
Could be a couple things wrong. Tungsten 50hz sometimes creates flicker using 1/28 or 1/30 shutter helps the cycle from flickering but doesnt stop it, you can thank CMOS sensors for that. 2nd issue may be messing with the sliders on AE-ACR don't mess with anything on the first page but white balance. Maybe this will help. FYI 24fps has tendency to create problems on 7D with skipping try using 30fps with fps override on low light.
Quote from: mrnv45 on October 31, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
well someone who has clips like mine that ACR wont pull up in After effects only way to get ACR is through photoshop.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9086.new#new
so for the moment this was a great sub. since i didnt have the raw files only sequence.
ive seen plenty of people use lightroom to convert. WITHOUT NOISE REDUCTION, GRAIN ADDING and WITHOUT SHARPENING in light room.. .
and as for the quicktime export. the person who created THIS VIDEO, was one of the people who first told me how to EXPORT from Quicktime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw (Chamillionaire - Ridin Dirty)
so its not the first time ive heard it was a good way to export.
i honestly PERSONALLY dont see any difference for YOUTUBE purpose but maybe for On screen or dvd.
-continued slightly off RAW Dev topic but, still relevant to the ML RAW file type we're all desperately trying to work with...
Also, I know GingerHDR RAW support may be old news for some.
I've been using GingerHDR (from 19Lights)for some time now, mainly because I like the simplicity of what I can do with it and my 7D video (any video really) Ironically, their latest update supports ML RAW and allows me to ingest the ML RAW files directly and work on them like any other video clip previously. I actually paid the $150.00 for the plugin as a business purchase but, I probably would have puchased it anyway... I know $150 isn't something everyone will want to drop on a plugin just to make RAW a one step ingest but, personally I found it worth it!
I'm sure some of you have seen this.
http://19lights.com/wp/tutorials/magic-lantern-raw-video/
Now with today's recent CC update they seem to support Cinema DNG... However, it also seems the main support is for BMCC and RED, etc., and then there are some posts that are showing issues (with Canon of course) with color shifts a few other various anomalies. So for now, I'll stick with Ginger HDR and when not it's available, and sometime it's not (only on two machines and not my laptop) of course use the mlv2raw/raw2dng process.
In any case, I highly recommend the plugin for those inclined to buy it or "find" it or whatever.
well i use ginger NOW but i have a whole music video already exported to DNG's and they show up pure black in my after effects..
i just installed Adobe CC/Bridge and still no luck.. when in bridge and i click CAMERA RAW it says i need to open an app atleast once?
maybe post a black dng for us to see.
Quote
So now my only concern really is that hacks display...
It doesn't actually work since the active YUV regs are on the master, haven't tried there since a bit of code has to go into raw_rec further balooning it. If you want hacked mode with the LV dead shoot 10x. Not sure if 10x + color raw preview (gd on) will keep corrupt frames away on 7D. on the 6D I can shoot 720P like this with full color preview, about 20% more laggy than display filter peaking.
Hello Guys . I was trying to install the magic lantern with raw in my 7d using my iMac and i believe that i have an older version because doesn't work to well. When i press the rec button my live view stuck and i am not able to record more than few seconds in my transcend 600x card and the files in my card are M01-0018.RAW. I am feeling so idiot and i am very confused how to install it correctly because i am lost in this huge forum informations. I would be really thankful if someone can make a video tutorial about how to install and how to use the raw mode at the best settings. If not not bad feelings you are awesome.
Newest builds. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
dont forget to benchmark.
so you can get appropriate speeds.
when you turn on RAW_REC it will create those .RAW files.
RAWmagic for MAC http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0 to create a sequence
or if you have ginger HDR you can drag the .RAW into AFter Effects and color grade with ACR (Adobe Camera Raw)
im having issues with ACR pulling up in After Effects
photoshop works with camera raw. but my bridge wont even allow me to click camera raw preferences
it says i need to open up a program atleast once but i have.
i uninstalled/reinstalled the master collection (cs6) again. and still nothing.
i dont have a MORE OPTIONS.. in interpret footage.. also when i pull my DNG sequence 0000.dng clip into after effects it is realllllly dark or BLACK (epending on how much light is used) i posted here : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9086.new#new
but no one really could help. seeing if anyone else could offer a suggestion.
on a mac by the way. and Resolve will not allow me to click and drag any clips. it just force closes every time i try.
:) Thank you sososososossosos much
could anyone tell me how to turn off the camera so that the battery does not fall when off, please????the lightroom workflow is amazing!!!!!!!
New Premiere update 7.1, says that support DNG files. I tried putting DNG files converted from mlv2dng, but it doesn't seem to work. What's the right way to do it?
Quote from: hdclip on November 02, 2013, 10:42:14 AM
could anyone tell me how to turn off the camera so that the battery does not fall when off, please????the lightroom workflow is amazing!!!!!!!
what do you mean turn it off so it wont fall?
buy some tape? 8)
I think he is pulling the card too soon and leaving the camera in a semi-powered state thus draining the battery. Check and make sure you can turn it on/off after removing the card and closing the door.
Quote from: danistuta on November 02, 2013, 08:03:31 PM
New Premiere update 7.1, says that support DNG files. I tried putting DNG files converted from mlv2dng, but it doesn't seem to work. What's the right way to do it?
The DNGs aren't structured correctly so they won't import.
Quote from: mrnv45 on November 02, 2013, 01:50:06 AM
im having issues with ACR pulling up in After Effects...
Camera Raw doesn't have a separate installer, so it doesn't have a separate activation system. It requires that a parent product be activated first (e.g. for Camera Raw CC it would be Photoshop CC or After Effects CC). I'm not sure of your setup as you previously referred to CC and CS6, and if there are mixtures of versions on the same machine it can confuse the license service. Please post your question to the Adobe product forums (http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw) and we'll help resolve the problem over there.
I have the problem of losing the entire burden of the battery while the camera off and never extract the card with the camera turned on and the door open. simply turn off the switch with 95% and the next day 0% sorry for my English google translator helps me...;)
Thats weird because a normal power off doesn't do it for me. I have to pull the card for it to get stuck. Then when I put it back in the cam won't turn on without battery pull. Battery I'm using now was last charged 2 or 3 days ago and I was shooting stills.
I've got some results by switching to photo before the turn off and also go through the video mode that photo before but not always with success. Maybe did wrong the setting of the autoboot on power up???
is there a different converter than raw2dng or RAWmagic for MAC ..
raw2dng - freezes in certain folders half way through
RAWmagic works great - but miles dont bring up CAMERA RAW in after effects, nor does it load in Resolve. It crashes on folder selection
Quote from: DFM on November 02, 2013, 10:10:04 PM
Camera Raw doesn't have a separate installer, so it doesn't have a separate activation system. It requires that a parent product be activated first (e.g. for Camera Raw CC it would be Photoshop CC or After Effects CC). I'm not sure of your setup as you previously referred to CC and CS6, and if there are mixtures of versions on the same machine it can confuse the license service. Please post your question to the Adobe product forums (http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw) and we'll help resolve the problem over there.
i uninstalled EVERYTHINg and started over with CS6 AE,PS,PrPro,Illustrator,
i downloaded the Camera Raw + DNG converter 7.1 and then updated to 8.1 since 7.1 was the last CAMERA RAW downloader i saw.
they all work in photoshop. with ACR. Bridge wont open the camera raw plugin. it says i need to run a application that has it atleast once. but i have ..
Quote from: 1% on November 01, 2013, 09:15:59 PM
It doesn't actually work since the active YUV regs are on the master, haven't tried there since a bit of code has to go into raw_rec further balooning it. If you want hacked mode with the LV dead shoot 10x. Not sure if 10x + color raw preview (gd on) will keep corrupt frames away on 7D. on the 6D I can shoot 720P like this with full color preview, about 20% more laggy than display filter peaking.
Sorry, by hacks display I meant this display which is showing on my screen when preview is set to "ML Greyscale":
(http://i.imgur.com/8rgq4Fll.jpg) (http://imgur.com/8rgq4Fl)
Quote from: Monsanto on November 01, 2013, 04:52:03 PM
Could be a couple things wrong. Tungsten 50hz sometimes creates flicker using 1/28 or 1/30 shutter helps the cycle from flickering but doesnt stop it, you can thank CMOS sensors for that. 2nd issue may be messing with the sliders on AE-ACR don't mess with anything on the first page but white balance. Maybe this will help. FYI 24fps has tendency to create problems on 7D with skipping try using 30fps with fps override on low light.
Thanks. Why would exposure settings in AE-ACR affect that?
Is there a page somewhere that details a bit how fps override works, i.e. low light mode vs. exact? The info there says that it might adjust shutter speed... so that could be the ticket...
I'm still a tiny bit confused about how resolution and crop mode affect the image... is resolution simply determining how much of the sensor area to use and zoom mode becomes only a crop?
i.e. if we stay in the same resolution as regular but do a 5x "zoom" (read: "crop"), is it the same quality but simply a smaller field of view and no aliasing?
Also, does crop mode affect depth-of-field (assuming same distance from subject)?
Thanks!
So you mean take out the "hacked" display. It does cover things and on 7D doesn't really do much.
Probably yeah :)
For a neophyte like me who's just getting their feet wet with ML, it looks like a bug (like you said- covers things with perhaps very little benefit)... though I'm coming a bit more from wanting to understand what it means and why it's only displayed with certain settings. If it's useful for the devs, I'd say keep it, though it would be helpful to know what causes it. If it's not really so useful- I'd say it is getting in the way a bit and it'd be better to hide it somewhere else.
Its just telling you I tried to turn off edmacs XXXX... I can probably push this to master and shut off LV in 1x but the need is low as its already recording the full size. I guess I can blot out 5x but 10x does the same thing. I'll get it off the screen though since its annoying.
Quote from: DFM on November 02, 2013, 10:10:04 PM
Camera Raw doesn't have a separate installer, so it doesn't have a separate activation system. It requires that a parent product be activated first (e.g. for Camera Raw CC it would be Photoshop CC or After Effects CC). I'm not sure of your setup as you previously referred to CC and CS6, and if there are mixtures of versions on the same machine it can confuse the license service. Please post your question to the Adobe product forums (http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw) and we'll help resolve the problem over there.
Please stay on topic, this is 7D topic. All post processing post do not belong here!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=54.0
Quote from: dmk on November 03, 2013, 05:07:59 AM
I'm still a tiny bit confused about how resolution and crop mode affect the image... is resolution simply determining how much of the sensor area to use and zoom mode becomes only a crop?
i.e. if we stay in the same resolution as regular but do a 5x "zoom" (read: "crop"), is it the same quality but simply a smaller field of view and no aliasing?
Also, does crop mode affect depth-of-field (assuming same distance from subject)?
Thanks!
Resolution is simply the output size you want to record in.
The difference between normal and crop is not a resolution change but how information is read from the sensor, let's assume you want to record at 1080p we'll in normal record mode the camera uses the whole sensor but because the sensor is so much larger than 1920x1080 it has to throw away a lot of data in between lines, in crop mode however it uses the very center of the sensor at 1920x1080 resolution or what ever res you picked, while it's true that the sensor is being cropped in zoom modes you are actually getting a 1:1 ratio in pixels unlike in normal which is splitting up lines from the sensor to match the resolution you picked and can end up with some nasty moire aliasing.
If you are trying to frame the same shot in normal and zoom with the same lens it would require you to set the camera a lot father back in zoom mode which would affect your depth of field I would say.
Thanks :)
What I don't get though is why the cropped-mode gives magnified images.
If I take the 1920x1080, for example, and crop out the center area, it doesn't magnify it- it's just a crop?
Quote from: dmk on November 04, 2013, 07:13:33 AM
Thanks :)
What I don't get though is why the cropped-mode gives magnified images.
If I take the 1920x1080, for example, and crop out the center area, it doesn't magnify it- it's just a crop?
Don't be lazy just think about it...
-Went to recorded some footage and notice this: Since MLV give's me pink/corrupt frames i use now the raw_mo... What i notice is wend you hit the recorded button the Lv make the image blurred... not yet see if this is recorded to the file or is just in the Lv.
@Pelican - The only thing I can think of is it's scaling it somewhere. When I take a still photo in native cr2 raw mode and crop out the middle- it looks more like the native 1920x1080 minus aliasing, not the magnified view that shooting in crop mode gives us.
:o
You would do well to address that remark to the person who started the conversation. My job is to direct customers to the correct place for Adobe product support, which isn't on this site.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on November 03, 2013, 06:19:56 PM
Please stay on topic, this is 7D topic. All post processing post do not belong here!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=54.0
No blurring in the actual recording. I'm using RAW instead of MLV for the same reason.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on November 04, 2013, 12:34:07 PM
-Went to recorded some footage and notice this: Since MLV give's me pink/corrupt frames i use now the raw_mo... What i notice is wend you hit the recorded button the Lv make the image blurred... not yet see if this is recorded to the file or is just in the Lv.
Quote from: DFM on November 04, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
No blurring in the actual recording. I'm using RAW instead of MLV for the same reason.
That's good to hear. In the begging i think that was about the lens but i check and it's in manual. Later i will check again to see if this happen again and if this is just in the Lv or it will record like that, that i think it will.
Hope new developments come for the MLV :D
Digic focus peaking? It shuts off when recording and would be sharper when you weren't
Hi guys I'm new in 7D ML Raw, Can you help me?
What is the latest Nightly Build with best performance and max resolution with continous raw recording?
Cheers! :)
Quote from: 1% on November 04, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
Digic focus peaking? It shuts off when recording and would be sharper when you weren't
Must be that for sure :D will check. Thanks you again.
ddp, you neeed to try out http://tl.bot-fly.com/
Thanks mate I'll Try ;)
Quote from: 1% on November 04, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
Digic focus peaking? It shuts off when recording and would be sharper when you weren't
Is there a way to bring focus peaking back while recording??
I think if it's on wend recorded the sharpness will be in the clip... and i think it's not good as in post. Like sharpening in camera, not good.
Hello guys . Take a look in a small test i did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNeueXROCI4&feature=youtu.be
Very nice, what did you use to pan the camera?
I use my manfroto 701 head, or if you mean the slider i use a very cheap slider Genesis ADO 60
Quote from: arrinkiiii on November 04, 2013, 07:34:02 PM
I think if it's on wend recorded the sharpness will be in the clip... and i think it's not good as in post. Like sharpening in camera, not good.
Digic peaking cause recording problems when enabled.
Quote from: 1% on October 01, 2013, 02:29:15 AM
Yea, on multiple cams it causes crashes or write speed loss... on 7D its also not playing nice with FPS override.
I've set it to turn off when recording, should be portable, as you can see, works on 7D.... Actually *may* be able to get away with it doing only slave side on 7D but then your video preview will have artificial sharpness not actually there. I don't think it ever got recorded into the clips.
Quote from: pulala_8 on November 04, 2013, 08:07:12 PM
Hello guys . Take a look in a small test i did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNeueXROCI4&feature=youtu.be
Nice, did you get continous recording at this resolution?
Yes i had no problem at all and i am using a transcend 600x 32gb card
Quote from: 1% on November 05, 2013, 12:15:17 AM
I've set it to turn off when recording, should be portable, as you can see, works on 7D.... Actually *may* be able to get away with it doing only slave side on 7D but then your video preview will have artificial sharpness not actually there. I don't think it ever got recorded into the clips.
@1%
I think one of the best uses for digic peaking is when shooting hand held and focusing by eye. This becomes harder when digic peaking is off when recording. Its one of my personal reasons I loved it when it was implemented as it was faster, less distracting than the old peaking. I use it all the time on the 5dmkII. I hope you can fix it to be on while recording on the 7D.
Error 18 found while recording RAW at 1344x756 on a Transcend 400x 16GB card.
I started testing with the highest bitrate to see where/when it would crap out, and how long I could shoot at which resolution.
It started at 100 odd frames and went up to 300.
The second time I ran it with the same resolution I did not get the error, and recording stopped automagically at frame 309 with 1 skipped frame.
1446x626
how can i get my quality crispy and sharp?
i used film convert - premiere
Maybe someone with more experience can recommend to us which are the best settings in magic lantern so we can have the best image quality from our raw material ? also In which bit rate is the best to shoot?
Quote from: ted ramasola on November 05, 2013, 01:57:48 AM
@1%
I think one of the best uses for digic peaking is when shooting hand held and focusing by eye. This becomes harder when digic peaking is off when recording. Its one of my personal reasons I loved it when it was implemented as it was faster, less distracting than the old peaking. I use it all the time on the 5dmkII. I hope you can fix it to be on while recording on the 7D.
Yes, yes and yes! I LOVE and MISS Digic Peaking. I can't focus without it nowadays.. I got way used to it, I think it's one of the most functional tools in ML. So there *is* a way? Before it used to work like a charm.. does it conflict with FPS Override? Well in that case i'll turn it off (I never use FPS override BTW..). But when you are on a run n' gun type of shooting it is awesome!
Pleeeeeease can you bring it back?? :) I remember it used to make the camera hang when you stop recording.. but that was after some implementations of the fps override..
Thanks SO muchhh!!!
I'll test what it does on slave only.
HI! Guys
I brought the CF card 160mb/s, but it just can record raw video by 1720 resolutions, who can tell me about it, Can i record high quality?
Hello,
I'm new in the forum. After some exausting time searching for 60p in the 7d raw video topic, i haven't found anything.
Is it possible to record 60p ar 1280x720 resolution?
Thank you.
Froess
I am thinking of the same thing, there should be more options than 24/25/30fps, and more options in resolutions than from 20xx directly to 25xx too, and it is a better thing before having found ways to let the camera chewing out extra few kb/s ;D
You can record whatever FPS you want, it takes a cut but I can do the 2.5K at like 17fps continuously.
but is it possible 60fps in 720 or higher?
Quote from: dmk on November 03, 2013, 04:56:23 AM
Sorry, by hacks display I meant this display which is showing on my screen when preview is set to "ML Greyscale":
(http://i.imgur.com/8rgq4Fll.jpg) (http://imgur.com/8rgq4Fl)
Good Sir...could you or any of the gentlemen direct me to the proper path to get the raw recording icon shown on your camera
thanks in advance
Quotebut is it possible 60fps in 720 or higher?
Do the math I guess.
DiscountRamps.com has been watching the RAW 7D thread for some time now. We were a bit hesitant to use the hack at first but we are SO glad we made the switch. We are still learning so please bear with us. This was our first RAW video shoot. Everything was shot using Transend 16gb & 32gb 400x cards @ 1600x900. Because of the speed of our cards we were unable to shoot at the full res settings. New cards are definitely in our future. So far everything has been working great.
While shooting the video we had a bit of an epiphany!! We realized if we shoot at a higher shutter speed we could get a shallower depth of field (No need for ND filters) and we could then add the motion blur back in during the post production process. This would also allow our photography department to easily pull RAW stills from the video that would be sharp and would have no motion blur. This is HUGE!! Granted the RAW stills are small, they are still very usable for the web.
When converting all the RAW footage to DNGs we tried RAW2DNG, Batchlor, and RAW2cDNG. From our experience Batchlor is the best option so far. RAW2DNG was to time consuming and RAW2cDNG has more moire and aliasing then the other processes. Not sure why this is?? Has anyone else tested this??
We also had a few pink frames here and there but after switching the card to warmup after boot up, solved everything.
Once all footage was converted we used LR and CameraRAW to do the processing. We had a few issues with LR causing flickering because of Shadows and Highlights and then we noticed CameraRAW was causing the same thing to happen. After some playing around to decided to go with curve adjustments. That did the trick - No More Flickering! After some trial and error we figured everything out and even got a decent workflow going. All in all everything is working great! ML RAW is a game changer and we can't begin to thank you guys enough for everything you do!
Check out the video and let us know what you guys think. Any input or help is greatly appreciated!
Thanks guys
QuoteGranted the RAW stills are small, they are still very usable for the web.
You can cheat and upscale, someone got the 1920x1080 up to 3 or 4K on the 5DIII, assuming 1728x1152 can do as much or you can do whatever crop mode can pull off w/ super wides.
I would not call ML a hack, and it is more like an application running on top of the camera's OS, just like IE on top of MS Windows. And it should be perfectly legal software too, because Canon encourages these kinds of developments by issuing developing kits (not for free man). The codes, with a fraction that I read--but I am not computer science major, only read some books in this field for a few years in my spare time, look quite neat and well documented with //comments. I think that the ML teams guys are well-trained and they know what they are doing. This project looks better and better, and it sounds very promising. I would congrate them all.
Quote from: OSCA LEE on November 05, 2013, 04:14:01 PM
Good Sir...could you or any of the gentlemen direct me to the proper path to get the raw recording icon shown on your camera
thanks in advance
It just shows whenever I record in raw... is it recording raw for you but not showing the icon? Strange...
Quote from: 1% on November 05, 2013, 05:52:53 PM
You can cheat and upscale, someone got the 1920x1080 up to 3 or 4K on the 5DIII, assuming 1728x1152 can do as much or you can do whatever crop mode can pull off w/ super wides.
Thanks 1%! We'll give that a try
After install the last nightly build from 1% go to the tab of modules and load raw_mo and you will see that icon wend u start to record. If mlv_mo are already loaded just unloaded.
After this, go to video tab and activate the raw video and chose your frame rate and other settings that you want.
Yup, you guy can try it now if you compile. Still drops some MB, might not matter if you're only recording <1000px vertical resolution
Quote from: froess on November 05, 2013, 01:06:48 PM
Hello,
I'm new in the forum. After some exausting time searching for 60p in the 7d raw video topic, i haven't found anything.
Is it possible to record 60p ar 1280x720 resolution?
Thank you.
Froess
Yes, it can. You need to play around and find what you like.
I used 720 at 60 fps and no crop. I can't stand with crop but you can use crop and higher resolution. I made two videos with 60 fps but different post process:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6qjWMT68XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6qjWMT68XU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QfdtYAlAQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QfdtYAlAQ)
Quote from: 1% on November 05, 2013, 09:59:39 PM
Yup, you guy can try it now if you compile. Still drops some MB, might not matter if you're only recording <1000px vertical resolution
Tested it. No problems for me, so far. Thank you for putting the option of turning it ON and OFF.
Quick question- when not using FPS override we can assume frame rate is canon native? (i.e. 23.976 not exactly 24 when set to 24 in canon menu)
Quote from: dmk on November 06, 2013, 08:41:21 AM
Quick question- when not using FPS override we can assume frame rate is canon native? (i.e. 23.976 not exactly 24 when set to 24 in canon menu)
correct.
Thanks
Quote from: dmk on November 06, 2013, 08:41:21 AM
Quick question- when not using FPS override we can assume frame rate is canon native? (i.e. 23.976 not exactly 24 when set to 24 in canon menu)
Quote from: ted ramasola on November 06, 2013, 08:59:17 AM
correct.
While that's true in normal mode I have read that in zoom modes it defaults to 30 FPS when not using FPS override, I have not tested the FPS override so can't be sure, maybe someone can confirm that.
Quote from: DragonFlame on November 06, 2013, 12:25:04 PM
While that's true in normal mode I have read that in zoom modes it defaults to 30 FPS when not using FPS override, I have not tested the FPS override so can't be sure, maybe someone can confirm that.
Correct :)
Quote from: pulala_8 on November 05, 2013, 12:59:34 AM
Yes i had no problem at all and i am using a transcend 600x 32gb card
Cool, what settings do you have? I mean allow skip frames and stuff...
Thanks
Hi,
Im trying to use the "tragic lantern builds" but not appear the raw video option. :'(
The old version i have "[7D]PopStop" has it.
There's another builds with raw support?
Thanks!
Quote from: ddp on November 06, 2013, 10:00:54 PM
Hi,
Im trying to use the "tragic lantern builds" but not appear the raw video option. :'(
The old version i have "[7D]PopStop" has it.
There's another builds with raw support?
Thanks!
?!?!?
Go to modules tab in ML menu and load the raw_mo then go to video tab and activate it and chose your frame rate an settings.
Assuming that you already boot your camera for use the new features in your camera.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on November 06, 2013, 10:13:08 PM
?!?!?
Go to modules tab in ML menu and load the raw_mo then go to video tab and activate it and chose your frame rate an settings.
Assuming that you already boot your camera for use the new features in your camera.
Boot my card you mean?
Prepare your card and also your camera to receive the new stuff from ML
Maybe this links can help u,
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9111.msg85914#msg85914
yuhthe Raw_rec module in the newest TL isnt in there.
what i did was just drag and dropped the Modules instead of the folder. and just replaced with the ones already there that are doubled
It's true, don't know why is not there.
NOV2 has raw_rec but not MLV_REC dunno, what happened there, my make -C still adds raw_rec
mrnv45, just download the version that 1% mention and pass to your card/ modules the raw_mo and you r good to go.
Helo! past weekend I made this video. A lot of fun with Raw recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiGdQMX2qss&feature=youtu.be
Greetings !
What's the last Raw module? where Can i donwload? Thanks.
Grab from nov 2nd, its not compiling new ATM and 3rd/4th had raw_rec missing.
Hi, just installed ML from thread - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.0)
I observed strange pixels on the bottom of image.
No matter what resolution, white line is always there.
If anyone can help and explain why is that I would be grateful.
I use Pretec CF x567, Canon 7D, 50mm f/1,8II, macOSX
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4562/h28c.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/209/h28c.jpg/)
Quote from: disskee on November 09, 2013, 02:10:31 PM
Hi, just installed ML from thread - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.0)
I observed strange pixels on the bottom of image.
No matter what resolution, white line is always there.
If anyone can help and explain why is that I would be grateful.
I use Pretec CF x567, Canon 7D, 50mm f/1,8II, macOSX
The build on that page is from back in august, I believe that version is out of date and had issues with vertical resolutions above 600, check to see if the problem shows up on very low resolutions if not you need to get a newer version, you can find a lot of them here.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
Hi!
I have tested the RAW recording function with my 7D with good success but today I recorded first time longer clips, like over 3 minutes. I'm unable to convert the bigger clips to DNG-files (I tried both RawMagic and Raw2dng). On the CFcard the longer clips also have one or two .R00 -files with the same file name. I have read these threads and remember someone mentioning a file size limit.. Could you please help me and tell if there is a way to convert those bigger files to Dng sequences. Thanks!
(I used the latest 8Nov built)
raw2dng automatically converts several files of one continious "footage". But, I prefer raw2cdng...
RAWmagic actually now converted the .R00 -suffix, but the resulting dng_s looked like this (see the attachment). All the shorter clips look just fine..
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2885/10765040226_67838c5894_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90431965@N07/10765040226/)
M09-1821_00011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90431965@N07/10765040226/) by andymou (http://www.flickr.com/people/90431965@N07/), on Flickr
.. Any idea, what might be the problem??
Old tools? Mac issue? Does it play back continuously if you use MLV_PLAY in camera?
No, it doesn't play back with the mlv_play on. I did not have the mlv_rec loaded when recording.. could that be the issue? I was a bit confused when the mlv_rec and raw_rec modules were both loaded since there was two setting pages for raw_video and so I took off the mlv_rec..
Today i went record some raw_mo and i forgot that i can't leave the card finnish while is recording, it will be a corrupted file and also create a rar file (don't know why) ...if i remember good, you can recover this file, i think you just need to create the footer of that file for be readable.
Not exist any solution for this?
My card is a 8GB that give's me 2m and 32seconds... i can see this in the Lv and stop the recording. But today almost every rec that i done i forgot to stop it....
Record a new file with the same settings and then you can copy/paste the header onto the combined .raw file ie... raw+r00+r01+ header.. it starts at rawM
I thought raw_rec actually stopped when the card was full, mlv_rec didn't
No, it doesn't play back with the mlv_play on.... what does it do?
mlv_play = play/raw or mlv in camera color or not
mlv_rec = raw rec but records MLV, don't enable both
Quote from: Lanre on November 09, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
Hi!
I have tested the RAW recording function with my 7D with good success but today I recorded first time longer clips, like over 3 minutes. I'm unable to convert the bigger clips to DNG-files (I tried both RawMagic and Raw2dng). On the CFcard the longer clips also have one or two .R00 -files with the same file name. I have read these threads and remember someone mentioning a file size limit.. Could you please help me and tell if there is a way to convert those bigger files to Dng sequences. Thanks!
(I used the latest 8Nov built)
I think you first need to merge them into one file
On Windows it's like:
copy /b "C:\path to your files\clip1.raw"+"C:\path to your files\clip1.r00"+"C:\path to your files\clip1.r01"+"C:\path to your files\clip1.r02" "C:\path to your files\clip-final-merged.raw"
Not sure about Mac, but without testing my guess is something like this in terminal should work:
cat "/path to your files/clip1.raw" "/path to your files/clip1.r00" "/path to your files/clip1.r01" "/path to your files/clip1.r02" "/path to your files/clip-final-merged.raw"
Then you can run raw2dng: raw2dng clip-final-merged.raw clip-final
dmk, thanks. Without any knowledge of scripting I typed that to terminal and it started calculating.. Let's see, what happens..
Quote from: 1% on November 10, 2013, 02:29:56 AM
Record a new file with the same settings and then you can copy/paste the header onto the combined .raw file ie... raw+r00+r01+ header.. it starts at rawM
I thought raw_rec actually stopped when the card was full, mlv_rec didn't
No, it doesn't play back with the mlv_play on.... what does it do?
mlv_play = play/raw or mlv in camera color or not
mlv_rec = raw rec but records MLV, don't enable both
lol damn...Ok, i have never recorded in raw more than 2 minutes (8GB card), yesterday i have made that tests and in my pc the files are showed with one RAR file and one RAW file, that i can open the rar or play the raw file.
After read your response i figure out that is a file that are separate/slipted (no more than 4GB)... Today more test and went to see the file in camera and show up the correct extencion .r00 and .raw ....dahhhhh :D
Going to try if i can joint the files, trying to understand copy /b "C:\path to your files\clip1.raw"+"C:\path to your files\clip1.r00"+"C:\path to your files\clip1.r01"+"C:\path to your files\clip1.r02" "C:\path to your files\clip-final-merged.raw"
THANKS :D
Quote from: blackjack102 on November 06, 2013, 05:44:24 AM
Yes, it can. You need to play around and find what you like.
I used 720 at 60 fps and no crop. I can't stand with crop but you can use crop and higher resolution. I made two videos with 60 fps but different post process:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6qjWMT68XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6qjWMT68XU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QfdtYAlAQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QfdtYAlAQ)
Hi!
Thank you so much for your answer.
Can you please tell me which was the max resolution you were able to achieve with 60 fps and what card are you using?
Thanks
@arrinkii - it totally works. I did a shoot the other day with a few 12/16GB takes (ended up recording 20+ min of material) using build from oct 31 or so.
I don't know if it was the most efficient, but my workflow was like this, for what it's worth:
(note: I prepared some of these commands by macos and find/replace in notepad++, then adding/removing R02 etc. as needed. But this can/should be scripted...)
1) create a folder for each base clipname and copy those files to their respective folders.
I forgot if they begin with MVI, but assuming... if we have like MVI-116.RAW, MVI-116.R00, etc. and also MVI-117.RAW, MVI-117.R00 then I'd have two folders: 116 and 117. I then copy all the MVI-116* to 116/ and all the MVI-117* to 117/ and so on
2) run a command for each folder like the following:
copy /b "C:\My Videos\DNG\116\MVI-116.RAW"+"C:\My Videos\DNG\116\MVI-116.R00"+"C:\My Videos\DNG\116\MVI-116.R01" "C:\My Videos\DNG\116\MVI-116-MERGED.RAW"
copy /b "C:\My Videos\DNG\117\MVI-117.RAW"+"C:\My Videos\DNG\117\MVI-117.R00"+"C:\My Videos\DNG\117\MVI-117.R01" "C:\My Videos\DNG\117\MVI-117-MERGED.RAW"
3) run raw2dng for each merged file in each folder, using same prefix
raw2dng MVI-116-MERGED.RAW 116
raw2dng MVI-117-MERGED.RAW 117
4) I deleted the RAW and R00 files here to save space.
5) now each folder (116, 117, etc.) contains exactly one dng sequence and no other files
6) open after effects and import sequences. I did this one at a time clicking on first file in each folder and import as sequence. Make sure project settings are to interpret sequences as 23.976 or whatever you shot at and that project settings are 32-bit
7) grade each DNG using Adobe Camera Raw. Note- you don't need to do this in import. You can always right click on a file and change the ACR settings at any time... I think it's under something like "more info" or "interpret footage" or something. Anyway, it's two clicks away from the library.
8) bring each sequence into a comp, maybe do some additional grading with other plugins (Magic Bullet, Synthetic Aperture, etc.)
9) on filesystem- create new "GRADED PSD" folder with subfolders to match the dng: "116", "117", etc.
10) Export each comp as PSD sequence with Trillions of colors (I know PNG and TIFF are more open standards, but bottom line is I've found PSD to be the safest for not unexpectedly giving gamma shifts and things like that). This can be made easier by setting up an export preset in AE, then you just need to select it and the output path. This can be done via render queue and as a batch while you go do other things (it will take a while)
11) If it's a small project and you know you don't need the DNG anymore, delete those folders too now to save space (steps 1-8 can be easily/quickly recovered if you save the AE project and have the original RAW/R00 files off the card)
12) Bring PSD sequence into Premiere
13) Render
14) Edit
15) Export directly from Premiere as H.264
The above worked for me at least. There's a little bit of flicker again and I'm really not sure where that's coming from... but the truth is... it actually makes it feel a little more filmic to me, like it's being projected with a real analog projector or something :) It's a pleasant flicker to my eye, though I'd like to choose it...
I saw somewhere that it might be due to using ACR... which I really don't understand, why would exposure affect flickering? I'm much more comfortable using AE than Resolve so I really hope that's not it and it was some other mistake on my part...
Unfortunately I can't post the clip online since it was for a neighbor's family video and they only want it to stay for family viewing. But the look is so great, super rich colors and just and overall gorgeous tone. I screwed up a bit of the lighting and was able to recover some blown out highlights too :D
Hi,
i just have a strange behavior. Maybe i am just to stupid, but right now i am not shure where my error is.
When in record a normal movie (not raw) i always get the message: Sound disabled. What do i have to define, that record normal with sound?
Thanks for the help
disable raw_record and reset
also make sure RAW VIDEO is OFF before you switch over
Thanks so much, guys! Merging the .R00 and .RAW files in Terminal did the trick and saved my footage!!
Thanks dmk, im going try tomorrow, if i can understand that lines and do it :D Yes, should exist some kind of script or some gui...
From my experience and what i can remember... Recording H.264 you need to disable raw video in ML menu, if the sound show up disable you can enable in ML menu or in the canon menu.
Things that disable sound: wav recording, fps,
What do you think of the efficiency of raw ml and an external monitor by hdmi?I miss it...
Hi,
some funny moments from my new short film I making with my 7D in RAW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjT18pA6O0o&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjT18pA6O0o&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ)
Here is something I shot recently using ML 7D RAW
http://vimeo.com/79097919
Quote from: dfgh on November 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Here is something I shot recently using ML 7D RAW
http://vimeo.com/79097919
Looking fantastic and beautiful. May I know if you have used the VAF filter? Because I do worry a little about the moire effect on 7D, but the VAF filter price tag is outrageous for a poor student like me, and it is in back order. Great thanks.
Quote from: dfgh on November 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Here is something I shot recently using ML 7D RAW
http://vimeo.com/79097919
Wow, excellent! Lovely play of light and dark shadows. I love it.
Has there been any change in using 128gb cards for raw recording? I've been using the 64gb Komoiterbay and loving it, but I'd love to get the 128gb card if it could support the same speeds running ML and recording raw.
1% seemingly have said that exFAT filesystem is existing in 7D's firmware, but obviously broken, so he might somehow need a 128gb CF card to test with.
Quote from: dfgh on November 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Here is something I shot recently using ML 7D RAW
http://vimeo.com/79097919
DUDE...THAT IS MAGIC.....
VERY WELL DONE I AM A BIG FAN OF THE OL TIMEY FILMS....WITH RAW I THOUGHT I COULD REACH IN AND TOUCH THEM
Today i have try the new mlv build... and no more pink frame. With the ML ViewSharp i didn't see no pink/corrupted frames, not even the first (need to check with mlv2dng for see if the first frame come pink/corrupted or not.
-Wend the card finish, camera stop automatically and the file it's good to use but camera start to act strange. Need to shut off and on to stay normal.
-Wend you record mlv files the bottom of Lv still got this distracting buffer/idle/etc stuff.... Can't have a option if you want you can put the Lv like the raw_mo? (with the camera icon)
-Mlv_player it's very, very, very cool thing... you can now scroll your raw files, just need the delete button...
ok this is my 12th attemp at raw...
I used my 28-135mm...the focus is way off.. I fixed that but do you guys see the noise
https://vimeo.com/79118626
any advice is much needed
Hi guys,
I prepared (mac) the CF Card for Raw video following the instructions in the forum and load the "7DPopstop" and everything worked well.
Now I'm trying to load any of the November Builds from "Tragic Lantern" and it doesn't work.
-Is the same process to load both firmwares? (7dPopstop & Tragic Lantern November)
Sorry but I'm really new in ML so I don't know what I'm doing wrong and I'm getting crazy.
Thanks in advance for the help guys.
Quote from: ddp on November 11, 2013, 09:04:13 PM
Sorry but I'm really new in ML so I don't know what I'm doing wrong and I'm getting crazy.
Erase the old files ML and replace them ALL with the new.
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on November 12, 2013, 12:28:45 AM
Erase the old files ML and replace them ALL with the new.
Hi, that's what i made but it doesn´t work. I erased all files in my CF and put the new ones in. Ain't other way to do it?
Thanks
You may have formated your CF card in the card reader and erased the card boot. You may have to do it again with the mac version http://www.zenoshrdlu.com/macboot/macboot.html
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on November 12, 2013, 02:06:48 AM
You may have formated your CF card in the card reader and erased the card boot. You may have to do it again with the mac version http://www.zenoshrdlu.com/macboot/macboot.html
I will try.
Thanks a lot.
Hey guys having an issue with the new builds.
Original had an early build from back in August on my 7D that I put on using the process in this post http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Just tried out the new Nov11 Tragic Lantern build and it loads the first time after I do a firmware update but the next time I load it freezes the camera and I have to wipe the ML files and replace them to make it work again.
Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Quote from: 7D genie on November 12, 2013, 06:25:13 AM
Hey guys having an issue with the new builds.
Original had an early build from back in August on my 7D that I put on using the process in this post http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Just tried out the new Nov11 Tragic Lantern build and it loads the first time after I do a firmware update but the next time I load it freezes the camera and I have to wipe the ML files and replace them to make it work again.
Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Are you using a new or different card, make sure you have done the
Prepare your CF card section on that link you sent.
Quote from: 7D genie on November 12, 2013, 06:25:13 AM
... I do a firmware update but the next time I load it freezes the camera and I have to wipe the ML files and replace them to make it work again.
Firmware upgrade is only done once for RAW.
Follow this instructions to set up your camera for RAW.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Can anyone tell me why the histogram and other scopes go away when I have raw_rec activated? Of course, global draw turns off when recording but when I turn Raw video on the audio meters and some other information cover up the lower part of the screen where the scopes usually go. This is in all builds I've tried since the 9th of Oct. build.
When I turn raw_rec off the scopes come back.
I have using this build WITHOUT any problems at all. Not really going to try nightly until something major comes along.
01/09/2013
► britom's build with 1% version of raw_rec and mlv_rec with great features. (Thanks 1%!)
Don't forget to enable ime_base and ime_rot modules so you can write text in the "Tag: Text" Field
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b88gx62p1uyy46f/ML_britom_1%25_01_Sep_2013_.zip
First of all, big thanks to everyone that develops ML for 7D, and thanks to all who is active in this thread. Really useful stuff.
I've been using 2 different builds, atm i am using TL Nov 7. For some reason my camera stops recording after about 20 seconds or so. Started happening recently. Happens on both builds i've tried. Not using a very fast card though (60mb) Could it be related to that?
But what is weird is that i could record at least 50 seconds when i started out using ML. Usually shooting at 1728 700something, 2:35:1.
TIA
With TragicLantern several latest builds, sometimes camera hangs out, when I push Play button to exit crop mode. Only battery reconnection helps...
sometimes you have to FORMAT on camera and then BENCHMARK your card again. works for me when ever setting just stop recording
With the latest tragic lantern build everything is good in my camera. My card is a 8GB 60MB's Sandisk.
Quote from: DragonFlame on November 12, 2013, 06:41:57 AM
Are you using a new or different card, make sure you have done the Prepare your CF card section on that link you sent.
Thank you so so much it was driving me crazy, that was exactly what the problem was, I didn't realize I had to prepare each card to boot from.
Quote from: 7D genie on November 12, 2013, 06:03:10 PM
Thank you so so much it was driving me crazy, that was exactly what the problem was, I didn't realize I had to prepare each card to boot from.
Yes, for each card you need to prepare it. Thanks to Pelican our lives become more easy with EOScard.
One noob question.
Why not copile the code and share with us as an usual firmware upgrade mode... even if it need to be applied at every restart...
Just like the atual firmware available?
Why not?
The majority of people watching this "threat" are photographers, not programmers.
Please, do not get it as personal.... i like you all, and you all are helping a lot an entire community here.
:-X
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on November 12, 2013, 02:06:48 AM
You may have formated your CF card in the card reader and erased the card boot. You may have to do it again with the mac version http://www.zenoshrdlu.com/macboot/macboot.html
Hey, I followed your instructions to load the latest Build and now it works perfectly. Thanks a lot mate! :)
Quote from: humbs on November 13, 2013, 02:18:49 AM
One noob question.
Why not copile the code and share with us as an usual firmware upgrade mode... even if it need to be applied at every restart...
Just like the atual firmware available?
Why not?
The majority of people watching this "threat" are photographers, not programmers.
Please, do not get it as personal.... i like you all, and you all are helping a lot an entire community here.
:-X
Well, first of all, the majority of the readers on this thread are probably into video more than photo but that's besides the point.
Running as a firmware upgrade that would require the user to have to upgrade each time would be 1) a NIGHTMARE. I absolutely HATED having to upgrade my firmware every time I turned my camera on, and 2) someone can correct me, but I'm pretty sure that would be against Canon's terms and conditions. The only reason that ML is able to exist is because we're running it as a "program" off the card. I'm sure I'm butchering the specifics, but I believe that's essentially the point.
would be possible to apply a different algorithm to Debayer raw files than Adobe DNG???
Not sure what you are asking.
AFAIK demosaicing is part of the RAW converter and not part of RAW to DNG "conversion". DNG may contain RAW data as produced by standard Bayer, XTrans, Faveon and others.
Ciao
Walter
.....fellas ran into a issue
I downloaded the nightly and followed all the directions step for step....now when I try to load the raw_rec it tells me i have the wrong version...I have 4.0 but it wants 3.0....
Delete ML directory and copy the files over again.
Ciao
Walter
Ciao Walter!!!!!!sorry for my english... :-[ what I mean is if we could get another file type other than DNG or TIFF, for example a type Raw R3D Quicktime or something.
anyway the only converter out there is that it creates a DNG with what is in that conversion debayer.
regards!!!!!!
ok....it worked....
WHATEVER THE MAGIC LANTERN JEDI'S HAVE DONE WITH THAT NIGHTLY NOV112013. IT FIXED ALL MY ISSUES WHEN SHOOTING RAW
Quote from: hdclip on November 13, 2013, 09:15:27 PMCiao Walter!!!!!!sorry for my english...
I'm not able to understand your request. You may use your native language instead.
Ciao
Walter
do not understand the second explication??? not Chinese ... :)
Lo que quiero decir es que el archivo que obtienes despues de una grabacion, es un archivo RAW, que despues conviertes en DNG´s...Mi pregunta es si en vez de convertir esos archivos RAW en DNG´s, convertirlos en Ejemplo un Quicktime RAW R3D u obetenerlo directamente algo que sea mas compatible con Prmeiere u otro programa de postproduccion.
Saludos Walter desde España!!!!
RAW recording used to work perfectly for me.
But since a few days I am getting corrupted frames in quite a few videos.
Usually 2-3 Frames with a pinkish noise.
Like this:
(http://data-x.de/noise.jpg)
Habe been using Oct26 build and changed to Nov09 build, but with the same problems.
Quote from: hdclip on November 13, 2013, 09:32:10 PM
Lo que quiero decir es que el archivo que obtienes despues de una grabacion, es un archivo RAW, que despues conviertes en DNG´s...Mi pregunta es si en vez de convertir esos archivos RAW en DNG´s, convertirlos en Ejemplo un Quicktime RAW R3D u obetenerlo directamente algo que sea mas compatible con Prmeiere u otro programa de postproduccion.
Saludos Walter desde España!!!!
Hola amigo. Cuando codificas el Raw con la app: Raw2dng consigues también un archivo MOV con codec ProRes. ¿No te sirve?
Hello friend. When you encode the raw with the app Raw2dng also get a MOV with ProRes codec. Do not you use? (Google Translate)
Si me sirve pero no con las ventajas del RAW...de todas formas estoy encantado con los DNG, lo decia porque eso ya seria increible, no?
Quote from: datax on November 13, 2013, 10:02:26 PM
RAW recording used to work perfectly for me.
But since a few days I am getting corrupted frames in quite a few videos.
Usually 2-3 Frames with a pinkish noise.
Like this:
(http://data-x.de/noise.jpg)
Habe been using Oct26 build and changed to Nov09 build, but with the same problems.
is this importing into AE? or is this how it looks once you convert to .dng?
if its in AE.
when importing select All Files - Camera Raw - Raw Sequence - Import
thats what mine was doing in the import till i changed around the file settings when importing.
This is the dng.
hi guys I share a short film I made in completely RAW VIDEO, thank you very much to all who are participating in the development of the builds and all those who have helped me with my problems using the magic lanter, thank you very much again and enjoy
SHOT IN RAW!!!
EROS "the other side of love"
EROS "La otra Cara del Amor"
Hi guys, i've got a question. Can the vertical banding be corrected in some automatic way? Or can be made some custom mlv2dng for the 7d so we dont get more banding?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jm22o24jn3sbx2f/000056.dng
Hi britom,
Can you post one dng with this banding ? Thanks =))
Hi jared, I do not have time to see the quality of the RAW, that anguish!! Good Job!!!!
Hi, Britom,
I have tested 2 indoors shots before, one with the contrast set to 0, the other with the contrast set to -4, which is the less contrast EOS allows to set, and both shots were shot with RAW_rec.mo and converted to video by AE through camera raw. It has been noticed that: the one shot with contrast=0 has significantly less to unnoticeable vertical bandings, while the other has fairly obvious bandings in the dark areas. So the little experiment shows that settings like contrast (and probably WB...off topic already) might have very significant impact on the RAW captures which in form is in *.raw files. But higher contrast settings have not been tested yet.
Hope this will help. ;D
They shouldn't. None of the picture style settings should affect the raw. The banding is in my still photos too and people always complained about banding in the shadows on 7D.. can it be corrected, probably. It was on 5DIII to some extent via raw2dng
Hope this can be fix :-\
...this last Saturday went to record in raw_mo one indoor night party and the image is full of this vertical banding/noise/pattern. And this event just happen in that date... Im trying to figure out what i can do for save this images... in post what im doing is lower the blacks/dark/shadows areas for not be so notice... but it's not the best solution.
Thank you SO much 1%! Was testing these last 2 days the "peaking while recording" function.. I did all interviews.. very simple camera work.. did not change any settings while recording.. not even magic zoom.. But I didnt notice ANY performance issues whatsoever.. tomorrow I'll be in a more run n gun style.. will report back!! Thanks so much for listening!!
Also.. does it work on external hdmi monitor? I activated the Peaking and I'm not sure if it was "veeeeery slightly sharper" or if it didnt work at all.. Do you know something about it?
Cheers!!!!
PS: Oh and one more thing! Maybe I'm not aware of... can the sound bars be removed from the display? I'd like other information to show such as file name and others, it's also distracting for some types of work.. I notice when I press half shutter they show up and bars are hidden.. I think in the stable ML there is an option in the Audio menu.. isnt it here? Thanks again! :)
Edit 2: Monitor's resolution is 800x480 I think.. the most common one..
Quote from: dfgh on November 11, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Here is something I shot recently using ML 7D RAW
http://vimeo.com/79097919
Wow that's EXCELLENT!!! Video AND quality!!!! I wonder.. did you have a VAF filter on the 7D? If you did.. what do you think of doing Wide Shots with everything in focus? Does it come close to the 5D3? Is it worth it?
Thanks!
Quick worst-case scenario test frame grabs with and without VAF-7D. (1728x972). Residential window screen. Not exactly same focus, but works for a reference idea in case anyone's more curious about how the filter works:
(http://i.imgur.com/DFqNOfZ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/DFqNOfZ)
(http://i.imgur.com/I4Ygwh9.jpg) (http://imgur.com/I4Ygwh9)
It's pretty darn good
Quote from: dmk on November 15, 2013, 01:41:16 PM
Quick worst-case scenario test frame grabs with and without VAF-7D. (1728x972). Residential window screen. Not exactly same focus, but works for a reference idea in case anyone's more curious about how the filter works:
(http://i.imgur.com/DFqNOfZ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/DFqNOfZ)
(http://i.imgur.com/I4Ygwh9.jpg) (http://imgur.com/I4Ygwh9)
Well I was going to wait but now I see I will go ahead and get the VAF filter
And a basic flowers test :)
I'm not sure if the strobbing is due to wrong shutter speed, framerate conversion somewhere or ml... will need to test that out some more
Quote from: datax on November 13, 2013, 10:02:26 PM
Like this:
(http://data-x.de/noise.jpg)
So I guess no one else has problems with frames like this?
Or do you just have to deal with it until the releases stabilize?
Hi datax, did you install the latest build from Tragic Lantern? With raw_mo i getting no issues, with mlv_raw i think you just get th first frame corrupted. Need to make more testings, my card is a sandisk 8GB 60MB's
Quote from: arrinkiiii on November 15, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
Hi datax, did you install the latest build from Tragic Lantern? With raw_mo i getting no issues, with mlv_raw i think you just get th first frame corrupted. Need to make more testings, my card is a sandisk 8GB 60MB's
Hi,
with mlv_mo, first and more frame corrupted.....with raw_mo all ok
hey, guys...good evening from Greece...
after a lot of reading, I finished with my next step to ML by installing the autoboot Magic Lantern for 7D...obviously!
I took all new modules from tragic lantern, copy and replace the old ones, restart, my camera works fine but have some questions....
1) "flex info unconfigured" at the top of the screen....don't know what does it mean and not either if it's bad or good news!
2) I started to upload the modules and the message, "modules will be uploaded with the next start up" comes....
I'm doing the start up again.....nothing new....same messages....the "modules will be up........" nothing changes....for dual iso, raw recording....nothing...
I can't load the modules....what's going wrong?
3) when I'm trying to record a simple movie "MOV" my camera freezes...and a message "err" appears in the top screen...I have to remove the battery and start again...happened every time during recording....10" 5".....15".....movies....not RAW....MOV....(I can't load RAW modules.....!!!)
No one of the modules, works....
your help?
thank's in advance!!!!
Chris
Quote from: sebamax on November 15, 2013, 05:55:01 PM
Hi,
with mlv_mo, first and more frame corrupted.....with raw_mo all ok
Good to know, need to make more tests with mlv_mo. This happen with the latest tragic lantern build? What date ?
Quote from: chris bouk on November 15, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
hey, guys...good evening from Greece...
after a lot of reading, I finished with my next step to ML by installing the autoboot Magic Lantern for 7D...obviously!
I took all new modules from tragic lantern, copy and replace the old ones, restart, my camera works fine but have some questions....
1) "flex info unconfigured" at the top of the screen....don't know what does it mean and not either if it's bad or good news!
2) I started to upload the modules and the message, "modules will be uploaded with the next start up" comes....
I'm doing the start up again.....nothing new....same messages....the "modules will be up........" nothing changes....for dual iso, raw recording....nothing...
I can't load the modules....what's going wrong?
3) when I'm trying to record a simple movie "MOV" my camera freezes...and a message "err" appears in the top screen...I have to remove the battery and start again...happened every time during recording....10" 5".....15".....movies....not RAW....MOV....(I can't load RAW modules.....!!!)
No one of the modules, works....
your help?
thank's in advance!!!!
Chris
Uhmmmm, something is wrong for sure. What i advice to do...
-Format your card
-Then use EOScard from Pelican and make the card bootable
-Copy/past the last Tragic Lantern Build from http://tl.bot-fly.com/ (you just need to pass the modules folder and the autoexec.bin in their respective places)
Lets see what happen after this :)
you mean this : http://tl.bot-fly.com/tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Nov14.7D203.zip?
I did that.....
but I will try it again....
thank you!
and what about the 7D_203.fir? I don't touch it....really?
...ok....just fine...I did all the procedure from the beginning....now I think everything is working welll.....camera no freeezes anymore....
thank you arriikiiii!
You don't need 7D_203.fir.
Quote...this last Saturday went to record in raw_mo one indoor night party and the image is full of this vertical banding/noise/pattern. And this event just happen in that date... Im trying to figure out what i can do for save this images... in post what im doing is lower the blacks/dark/shadows areas for not be so notice... but it's not the best solution.
I think I have to check out how the banding correction works on 5DIII and apply that to 7D as a start. I think the pattern is different. Its def in the CR2 as well.. also you could try the chroma smoothing in raw2dng but don't know if that will be a super solution.
Quote from: 1% on November 15, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
I think I have to check out how the banding correction works on 5DIII and apply that to 7D as a start. I think the pattern is different. Its def in the CR2 as well.. also you could try the chroma smoothing in raw2dng but don't know if that will be a super solution.
Yes, please, please :D It's a start, see how it will work/affect in the 7D with the banding/noise/pattern correction from the III... It's a very bad/ugly noise/pattern/banding/... at least at video mode.
Edit: How i can try the chromatic smoothing in raw2dng?
(more one challenge, luv this game =)
here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6658.msg83064#msg83064
Thanks Renato, going to try :)
Can anybody share a link to mlv_dump.exe please? i cant find it anywhere and i want to include it in the 7d builds thread
You can compile it from the main repository in the mlv_rec module. Actually it does it automatically!
Hello guys,
So I've been using my 5D3 for raw since back in June and I'm pretty happy with the results. Now a couple of friends with 7D's want to get into the game and I'm trying to help them out.
I have a couple of questions for you 7D guys that hopefully can be answered fairly easily, here they go:
1. What is the maximum sustained (24fps) resolution that can be reliably achieved in crop mode? (2.35:1 is fine)
2. Would my friends need to purchase 1000X CF cards or are they overkill on the 7D? If so what is the recommended speed, 800X?
3. What is the largest size CF card that the 7D will work with? I know that ML prefers to be installed on smaller cards, on the 5D3 this isn't an issue since ML can be installed on a separate SD card, but what's the deal on the 7D?
4. Any problems monitoring through an external HDMI monitor? What about file playback, is it pretty much the same as on the 5D (i.e. kinda crappy)?
Many thanks!
@Renato actually i can't, i get this warnings:
/home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: 1: /home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: ELF: not found
/home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: 2: /home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: H���%�1h��%: not found
/home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: 3: /home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: �1h��%�1h��%��1h��%��1h��%��1h��%��1h��%��1h�1�I��^H��H���PTI����CH����CH��P�@�����H�H�9�1H��t��H�������������UH��SH��=: not found
/home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: 4: /home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: ���P���: not found
/home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: 5: /home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: ���1H�[� �U�p�JH��H��t���q���P胦: not found
/home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: 6: /home/magiclantern/mingw32/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc: Syntax error: ")" unexpected
make: *** [lzma/Threads.w32.o] Error 2
I really wish that Canon can issue new firmware to unlock exFAT and give 7D more write speed.
Quote from: mucher on November 17, 2013, 02:34:45 AM
I really wish that Canon can issue new firmware to unlock exFAT and give 7D more write speed.
Would be great indeed :)
Compare raw2cdng v.1.3.0 and raw2dng with 7D footage. Here is a result: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2NWwDUimG9cbS1mWFRtaXgzSFU&usp=sharing
Left part is a raw2dng, right is a raw2Cdng. Import to Photoshop via ACR as is - nothing was changed. On a raw2cdng dng file clearly one can see color moire on a roofs (blue + yellow). What am I doing wrong?
Quote from: britom on November 16, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
@Renato actually i can't, i get this warnings:
I get the errors when I compile for raw2dng.exe in the raw_rec module. But in the mlv_rec module all I do is make clean and make and it makes the mlv_dump.exe along with the other binaries so g3g00 has fixed it. I use a virtualbox running under window7 64 bits.
Quote from: mucher on November 17, 2013, 02:34:45 AM
I really wish that Canon can issue new firmware to unlock exFAT and give 7D more write speed.
I was not aware that exFat gives more write speed?? Do you have any links to tests?
G, I am not sure of that exFAT speed, but FAT32, that EOS7D uses, is rumourly known to have a huge file table or something that jams the CPU's L2 or L3...... 8)
I actually meaned to have 2 things: exFAT, AND, more write speed. Excuse my ambiguity.
ExFat can improve write speed? Maybe yes, it is not sure, but definitely you need to disable FAT32 support first -- these are totally based on speculations. ;D
For speed I don't know but I think with exfat we can record one file bigger then 4GB, without splitting.
Quote from: mucher on November 17, 2013, 02:34:45 AM
I really wish that Canon can issue new firmware to unlock exFAT and give 7D more write speed.
I really wish that Canon would come up with a new firmware that would allow raw video capability on default. Greedy bastards!
Someone knows why anamorphic mode is not activated in external monitors?
Quote from: Ozgur on November 17, 2013, 07:12:07 PM
I really wish that Canon would come up with a new firmware that would allow raw video capability on default. Greedy bastards!
I read in someplace that Canon can´t allow other format system instead of FAT32, becouse if they allow it, the cameras would be considered Videocameras and not just photography cameras (And that means more and more expensive taxes in Europe and America).
Someone can tell me how fine is the record now?. I read the whole thread, but (as you can see) i don´t speak english very well and cant understand a lot of explications. I´m worried about the drop/wrong frames more than resolution. How viable is use raw for professional works?
See you!
7D is now doing like 2054x XXX @2.35:1, at around maximum 77 - 82 mb/s in crop mode, but that crop factor is 5184/2054 x 1.6 = 4.038, that means that 7D will lose that wide angel side. To compensate, running to maximum 25XX x 1XXX will require the write speed over 110mb/s, which is around almost 50% more throughput than it is now. At 2.5k, it will acquire a crop factor like 5184/2500 x 1.6 = 3.3, so a ultra-wide lense like EF-S10-22 will get a horizonal viewangel equivalent to approximately 33mm, which will make 7D quite amiable.
Quote from: mucher on November 18, 2013, 01:07:15 PM
7D is now doing like 2054x XXX @2.35:1, at around maximum 77 - 82 mb/s in crop mode, but that crop factor is 5184/2054 x 1.6 = 4.038, that means that 7D will lose that wide angel side. To compensate, running to maximum 25XX x 1XXX will require the write speed over 110mb/s, which is around almost 50% more throughput than it is now. At 2.5k, it will acquire a crop factor like 5184/2500 x 1.6 = 3.3, so a ultra-wide lense like EF-S10-22 will get a horizonal viewangel equivalent to approximately 33mm, which will make 7D quite amiable.
Thank you very much.
One last question. At 1080p 24fps (Official Canon I mean), is the record some like continous? (Obviously untill 4GB/Max Fat32)
Quote from: CaronteGF on November 18, 2013, 03:03:10 PM
Thank you very much.
One last question. At 1080p 24fps (Official Canon I mean), is the record some like continous? (Obviously untill 4GB/Max Fat32)
I haven't tried it continuously this long. But theoretically, provided the stock h.264 capture is around 48Mb/s and there is a limit of maximum minutes that 7D can record (say 5 or 10 minutes? I have to consult the manual), I reckon that the recording might very likely cut itself out way before it reaches the 4GB limit. So technically speaking, 7D is more like a still camera with limited capacity for video capture rather than a video camera.
Quote from: mucher on November 18, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
I haven't tried it continuously this long. But theoretically, provided the stock h.264 capture is around 48Mb/s and there is a limit of maximum minutes that 7D can record (say 5 or 10 minutes? I have to consult the manual), I reckon that the recording might very likely cut itself out way before it reaches the 4GB limit. So technically speaking, 7D is more like a still camera with limited capacity for video capture rather than a video camera.
It's possible to record continuously till the card is full. Files are spanned and then reconnected in RAWMagic. The only thing that happens is losing the last 50 or 60 frames when it reaches the end of the card (for me is a bunch of black frames in the end). I'm using Transcend 64 1000x with the latest almost stable build. I'm still getting some pink frames (always the first frame) in some of the shots.
a small sample of my first tries in RAW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ30MZ7GU0Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ30MZ7GU0Q)
Quote from: mucher on November 18, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
... there is a limit of maximum minutes that 7D can record (say 5 or 10 minutes? I have to consult the manual), I reckon that the recording might very likely cut itself out way before it reaches the 4GB limit.
No, it is no 5 or 10 minutes limit.
The limit is 29:59 min or 4GB (which comes first).
Quote from: mucher on November 18, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
So technically speaking, 7D is more like a still camera with limited capacity for video capture rather than a video camera.
As all the other DSLRs like the 5D3.
this morning I bought the 7D to learn raw video I'm very happy! :) I waited literally years before to choose which DSLR to buy, I hope to contribute with my experiments in the next future! :)
U welcome Brawl :D hope you enjoy the ride :D
(damn canon... selling and selling)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on November 19, 2013, 01:54:51 PM
U welcome Brawl :D hope you enjoy the ride :D
(damn canon... selling and selling)
thank you !!!! :)
(shhhh I bought it used :) )
its just me or http://tl.bot-fly.com/ not work ?
It's deff down!!
I download yesterday the last Tragic Lantern (17Nov) if you can´t wait i can upload to you, but i not tested it yet.
I have problems with premiere pro 7.1 cc should open the suquenza dng, but it seems that dng created by magic lantern alter the metadata?
someone has the same problem?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9345.msg89144#new
Should I be using the raw_rec module or the MLV_rec - what happens if I have both activated? Also this is my first post on the forum and Id like to say thanks to everyone who has propelled ML to where it is today. I wish I could donate but, Im poor. I can promise that Im going to do my best to provide useful testing and tutorials though. Thanks again.
- Spencer King
Hi everyone!! i download the last magic latern!! and i prove it with my new 1000x komputerbay card
i have some questions please help me! :-)
- i can have 91 mb/s with the card, is this ok? no bad pixels
- i only cant record mlv, how can i configure raw recording?
- is it posible a simple way to work with mlv in mac? snow leopard
-when i shoot raw (mlv) the maximun sice that i can choose is 1728x1156 how can i choose other sices? now i have this in continous recording maybe i can go i litle bit higher
-how can i change the fps? could i get 50fps for example?
-how could i make timelapses?¿? where is the option?
thanks a lot!! it works is amacing :-)
thanks!!
thanks a lot!!
Quote from: javyelow on November 19, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
Hi everyone!! i download the last magic latern!! and i prove it with my new 1000x komputerbay card
i have some questions please help me! :-)
- i can have 91 mb/s with the card, is this ok? no bad pixels
- i only cant record mlv, how can i configure raw recording?
- is it posible a simple way to work with mlv in mac? snow leopard
-when i shoot raw (mlv) the maximun sice that i can choose is 1728x1156 how can i choose other sices? now i have this in continous recording maybe i can go i litle bit higher
-how can i change the fps? could i get 50fps for example?
-how could i make timelapses?¿? where is the option?
thanks a lot!! it works is amacing :-)
thanks!!
thanks a lot!!
In regards to working in MAC with MLV - I just saw this post :
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0 - mlv2dng for mac
Hey y'all, I just wrote up a little something explaining my current 7D RAW workflow in Windows 8. I created a VB Script to copy the .RAW files from the CF card, and then convert them to .DNG or CineForm .AVI
It's still in early stages of development, but it's usable -- I wanted something I could use in the field to offload cards ASAP and be able to erase them and keep going, while the conversion process takes place. This way I can take my little netbook with me on location to dump the footage. It's pretty easy since VBScript supports drag and drop onto the .VBS icon.
I have a detailed explanation on my blog if anyone is interested:
http://valgameiro.com/my-workflow-for-magic-lantern-raw-on-the-canon-7d/ (http://valgameiro.com/my-workflow-for-magic-lantern-raw-on-the-canon-7d/)
On another topic, the URL I had for the nightly 7D builds doesn't seem to be working. Does anybody know why and what the new URL is?
http://tl.bot-fly.com/builds_2013.09/ (http://tl.bot-fly.com/builds_2013.09/)
Thanks a lot,
yes, does not work for me too. So, where can we get the lastest nightly build now ?
Quote from: idealsceneprod on November 20, 2013, 02:09:34 AM
Hey y'all, I just wrote up a little something explaining my current 7D RAW workflow in Windows 8. I created a VB Script to copy the .RAW files from the CF card, and then convert them to .DNG or CineForm .AVI
It's still in early stages of development, but it's usable -- I wanted something I could use in the field to offload cards ASAP and be able to erase them and keep going, while the conversion process takes place. This way I can take my little netbook with me on location to dump the footage. It's pretty easy since VBScript supports drag and drop onto the .VBS icon.
I have a detailed explanation on my blog if anyone is interested:
http://valgameiro.com/my-workflow-for-magic-lantern-raw-on-the-canon-7d/ (http://valgameiro.com/my-workflow-for-magic-lantern-raw-on-the-canon-7d/)
Looks good :)
Yes, the link for the nightlies are down... let's wait for 1% to see what happen.
Its down while the server is being fixed, according to the EOSM thread. I don't run it myself so can't really do anything.
Hi idealsceneprod!!!!!! I have this error (http://i41.tinypic.com/14inz0l.jpg)
Quote from: 1% on November 20, 2013, 06:42:42 PM
Its down while the server is being fixed, according to the EOSM thread. I don't run it myself so can't really do anything.
sorry 1% i thought you run/owne the website :D
Does anyone have a copy of the latest Nightly build, since the server is down?
Sorry, but due to time pressures only Blackmagic CinemaDNG files are supported in the 7.1 release. Other flavors will follow soon.
Quote from: Fringuello on November 19, 2013, 06:26:27 PM
I have problems with premiere pro 7.1 cc should open the suquenza dng, but it seems that dng created by magic lantern alter the metadata?
someone has the same problem?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9345.msg89144#new
Quote from: hdclip on November 20, 2013, 07:00:22 PM
Hi idealsceneprod!!!!!! I have this error (http://i41.tinypic.com/14inz0l.jpg)
That probably means you don't have the GoPro Studio installed - you can download it for free.
Line 92 of the script is calling for the RAW2GPCF (GoPro CineForm) converter.
Quote from: DFM on November 21, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
Sorry, but due to time pressures only Blackmagic CinemaDNG files are supported in the 7.1 release. Other flavors will follow soon.
Hope so 8)
Quote from: Cypressentgrp.com on November 21, 2013, 02:18:52 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the latest Nightly build, since the server is down?
I search but i don't have... it's so easy to acess internet and download...and almost everyday o get updates that i just download and install -> delete. But for sure more sooner or later i will need....
But i think 3 or 4 post above some one say that got a versions from 17 of november. Please put a link for downloading :)
Quote from: Fringuello on November 19, 2013, 06:26:27 PM
I have problems with premiere pro 7.1 cc should open the suquenza dng, but it seems that dng created by magic lantern alter the metadata?
someone has the same problem?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9345.msg89144#new
That's one of the reasons I stopped using Premiere and changed over to Lightworks -- once I watched the tutorials enough times, Lightworks makes a lot more sense (especially for short films and feature films (what I work on mostly), and you can't beat the price.
I use my script to convert the .RAW files into DNGs and GoPro CineForm. I then import and cut the CineForm files in Lightworks (which you can probably also do in Premiere) but then I send an AAF file to Resolve for final color grading and rendering to youtube, etc.
In Resolve, I load all the DNGs, and when I import the AAF file, I tell it not to load media from the AAF, but to look for files with similar name in Resolve. It then grabs the DNGs instead of the CineForm AVIs and I can grade and do final adjustments using the EDIT tool in Resolve!
Lightworks is also A LOT LESS processor hungry, and loads up UBER-FAST. In Premiere, opening up a project takes forever (especially when you're editing a feature).
So... here's my plug... check out Lightworks. I'm even part of the Beta testing team, and the folks in the forums are super helpful.
You can use the FREE version, or pay $60/year for more professional features. :)
www.Lwks.com (http://www.lwks.com)
Here is a link with some older version of tragiclantern http://www.dropbox.com/sh/24cd9ky56rdh2vv/3JvIuSw4rc
Latest one i have it's dated 10.nov.2013.
Cheers.
Thansk szigiszmund :D
New Fairly Stable Build Here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Quote from: britom on November 22, 2013, 10:16:18 AM
New Fairly Stable Build Here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
woww. thank you ;D
Quote from: britom on November 22, 2013, 10:16:18 AM
New Fairly Stable Build Here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987)
Thanks britom! ;D
Better late than never, here´s the 17Nov Tragic Lantern:
https://mega.co.nz/#!uJlVzZgb!Qo7LYRdBIPRB9-OL_3mI5n5AmYskXCYmc9TtI7GmHWo
Tks a lot Britom!
Quote from: britom on November 22, 2013, 10:16:18 AM
New Fairly Stable Build Here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Let me know if this is stable enough so I should set up this to use by EOScard.
Is there a way to get 2048 × 1080 resolution? (1.90:1)
Its back up. http://tl.bot-fly.com/
Quote from: edwmotion on November 22, 2013, 08:38:55 PM
Is there a way to get 2048 × 1080 resolution? (1.90:1)
For more than a couple of seconds? I don't think so, particularly not on the 7D.
Quote from: Midphase on November 22, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
For more than a couple of seconds? I don't think so, particularly not on the 7D.
Actually i can get 30 seconds ;D (2048 x1148)
Komputerbay 1000x
also 30 seconds at 2048 x 1024 with a 1000x kb cf.
Quote from: ted ramasola on November 22, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
also 30 seconds at 2048 x 1024 with a 1000x kb cf.
Right now @24fps (30+- seconds) The 7D can be a serious 2K cinema camera.
@edwmotion, @Scott7D, @CaronteGF please thank 1% and the ml dev team, i just compiled and tested.
thanks 1%
Love this community :D Thank you ALL :D
hI EVERYONE! and thanks for ML software :-) is amacing
Please how can i configure the camera to shoot more tan 1728?? magic latern says is not posible in current video mode!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0
Quote from: britom on November 22, 2013, 10:16:18 AM
New Fairly Stable Build Here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Thanks to the great efforts of 1%, a1ex, g3gg0 and all the other contributors, I've been happily using the 29/09/2013 semi-stable build by britom with good success for a couple of months now. I've been exclusively using MLV format rather than RAW. So far I've managed to record about 2Tb (7h) of MLV files using that build, with very few pink frames or crashes. I usually use 1728x972@25fps, and I have three 1000x Komputerbay 64Gb cards. All have given me continuous recording with global draw ON, including normal focus peaking, framing box and histograms. The write speed during recording has hovered at about 65Mb/s +/- 5
The various daily builds I've tried after that have all had problems with MLV (pink frames in every take) so that I haven't been able to upgrade after that.
Now I tried the new 22/11 build, and the good news for me is that MLV seems to be working well again - no sign of random pink frames. But the bad news is that with the same setup as before - e.g. global draw on and focus peaking, the write speed has dropped to around 50Mb/s, and I can no longer get continuous recording. If I turn global draw off, I can get 70Mb/s and continuous again, but it's much less usable because I need to do a lot of manual refocusing while recording.
Somewhere between the end of September and now, 15-20Mb/s of write speed went missing in the global draw on case. Maybe 1% or someone else has a hunch where it went, and if we can ever get it back again?
Does somebody knows what happened to dual iso video on the 7d?
Hi everyone!! new version tested
I have a komputerbay 1000x and the results are diferent of the others what configuration do you use to shoot?
i see a problem with fps overwide, if it is off and i have configurate 24fps in canon normal menu, the shoot was shooted in 29,9 fps, is this normal? i have to put fps override always on?
results of the tests:
i have a continous 1728x972 and 1856x1044 raw recording :-)
the problem is the other sices:
1920x1080 30 seconds!
2048x1152 15-21 seconds . is not the same than 30seconds but i can shoot 15, any changes in my settings could improve that?
-The real problem of all of this is: the video clips looks scaled than in the camera and this dificults too much using this sices in real audiovisual production.. dont you think?
Any way to get 1856x1044 without this problem???
Regards!!
Quote from: idealsceneprod on November 21, 2013, 10:02:32 PM
That probably means you don't have the GoPro Studio installed - you can download it for free.
Line 92 of the script is calling for the RAW2GPCF (GoPro CineForm) converter.
thanks but I have it installed, but I still does not work, will be the order of installation???
Quote from: edwmotion on November 22, 2013, 09:14:20 PM
Actually i can get 30 seconds ;D (2048 x1148)
Komputerbay 1000x
For me with a 1000x 32gb Lexar 2048X1152 Only 5 Seg....
My new short film in ML RAW :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWV-XRibn1s&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ
Quote from: hdclip on November 24, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
For me with a 1000x 32gb Lexar 2048X1152 Only 5 Seg....
if i change frame rate to 23... i can get at least 1 minute. 1:30 from time to time ;D
Quote from: edwmotion on November 25, 2013, 05:12:04 AM
if i change frame rate to 23... i can get at least 1 minute. 1:30 from time to time ;D
I was recording at 25FPS, if a put to 24...1min!!!!!!!!!!!!!Perfect!!! ;D
my 7D arrived this morning at home and it's awesome!!!! :D
Quote from: hdclip on November 25, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
I was recording at 25FPS, if a put to 24...1min!!!!!!!!!!!!!Perfect!!! ;D
At least for me 1min is enough for serious work. The 7D is a 2k raw monster, buffer helps a lot.
Quote from: edwmotion on November 25, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
At least for me 1min is enough for serious work. The 7D is a 2k raw monster, buffer helps a lot.
for me it is like putting a foot on Mars...!!!!!! ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Brawl on November 25, 2013, 09:56:54 PM
my 7D arrived this morning at home and it's awesome!!!! :D
Enjoy your new 7D 8)
Question, How do you record higher than 1728 ? , It's stops there, anything hire says it's not capable in current video mode.
Look for "Movie Crop Mode". Much like digital zoom and therefore limitations involved.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Cypressentgrp.com on November 26, 2013, 02:20:40 AM
Question, How do you record higher than 1728 ? , It's stops there, anything hire says it's not capable in current video mode.
From your Liveview screen, hit your 5x zoom (NOT 10x), THEN go back into your resolution settings.... You'll see the dialogue for your max res will change.
Also, I've disabled 10x under PREF > Liveview zoom tweaks (I have an older nightly build, don't know if the 10x was fixed)
Wow. I've been using ML for the video utility features but after reading through the issues here haven't bothered trying raw video. Well, yesterday I had a couple of hours spare so decided to give it a try. Amazing. There's a lot of talk about latitude, and it certainly improves there. However, the flickering problem (I use ACR and AE) when adjusting the highlights etc disappointed me at first. These adjustments were part of why I was getting a great looking image, the problem being when the light changed the video had a sort of dodgy film print look. Not terrible, but a little disappointing.
Anyway, I tried again this morning when there was more light and discovered what for me is the real benefit - bypassing the H.264 codec. Shadows are dark and clean, details are incredible. I shot out my window at a view I've used to test for ages and even at the sub 1080p resolution, it was sharper and more real than anything I've seen from my 7D before. When I first installed ML, it was like getting a new camera. Raw is like another one again. OK, I'm not going to stop using the standard codec but if I want a beautiful shot, say for a website background, or a title sequence raw is the way I'll go.
By the way, I avoid the flickering by keeping away from the basic adjustments in ACR but I'm sneaking them back in, a little at a time. I ease off if I notice the flicker (by reloading the file in AE, which brings ACR back up). Then I use the curves page instead, although they're not as precise as the basic parameters.
Here's something I did. Note that I forgot to switch off IS on the lens so the pan jerks a bit at the end and it's hardly going to win me a cinemaphotography oscar but I've never been able to get this much range and detail before. The vimeo codec has disappointingly softened the image a little (I guess even for Vimeo there's too much going on for the compression) but I'm impressed at the difference between this and H.264 versions I've recorded previously.
Thanks again, everyone. Brilliant work. Hopefully Adobe will realise that a lot of people are using ACR for raw workflow and add a switch to prevent the basic parameters from changing throughout an image sequence. I'm going to shoot some city views when I'm at work today, I'm really looking forward to it.
BTW, the camera does stop recording sometimes, usually after more than 10 seconds. Most of my shots are shorter than this anyway, so I can work around it. I've learned to work around the h.264 codec (I try to use shallower depth of field and selected backgrounds to keep the detail in less important bits low to avoid the smudged look), but now I have raw as an option. I use a Microtrack II for audio (assuming I want any) but now I'm going to have to use a visual cue to resync in editing as there's no camera audio with raw. No biggie, just another adjustment to make. It's worth it for the times I will want the best possible image.
https://vimeo.com/80352389
Quote from: jayzed on November 26, 2013, 11:01:27 AM
Hopefully Adobe will realise that a lot of people are using ACR for raw workflow and add a switch to prevent the basic parameters from changing throughout an image sequence.
I think the reason that the highlight slider is "so good" is also what is causing the flicker, at least to some extent. It's causing the flicker because it's 'image adaptive'. It analyzes the image and determines the best curve on the fly based on image content. This is what makes it work so well, it's also what makes it flicker, each frame is slightly different.
There are however, other controls that Adobe has made 'image adaptive' that don't neccessarily need to be, and it would be nice if Adobe would make them 'temporally aware' or something like that. It's my understanding that fewer of the 'Process 2010' controls are image adapative, so a lot of folks use 2010 mode in ACR for RAW video.
@DFM can probably shed some more light on the issue, including if Adobe has any plans to resolve these issues.
I have written a script (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8850.0) for deflickering images in Bridge/ACR (mainly for timelapse, but also useful for raw video) that I have also had success with deflickering when using large amounts of highlight and shadow recovery. I recently did an HDR timelapse that I toned using ACR (I merged brackets into 32 bit TIFF and toned the TIFFs with ACR). I was using -80 highlight, +80 shadow and +30 clarity, and the images from the camera were already flickery b/c I was using auto exposure (b/c it was a sunset and the light was changing). The result was completely flicker free. It should work just the same for RAW video sequences since the only real difference is RAW video is a smaller resolution.
Thanks Dmilligan. Yes, I've heard about the 2010 process selection but haven't tried it yet. Mostly as I've seen reported that it doesn't fix the problem entirely.
I've seen your script in passing but as I haven't been doing any timelapse haven't looked into it. I just want to say - wow. The first thing I thought was that it was going to be something that adjusted exposure. The ACR parameters we're talking about fiddle with a lot more than just exposure so it might improve flicker but probably not fix it. But no, I was wrong. It looks like it manages the ACR parameters in much the same way I was hoping for Adobe to implement. I'll be installing it today! Excellent work.
As for the comment about the image adaptive parameters, highlight slider etc, I do understand that they are image relative. What I was thinking was that once the underlying (invisible to us) parameters are set for one image that they could be applied to all of them. I definitely don't understand it all so it's highly possible I'm one of those people who asks questions (or worse, makes statements) that make no sense when the situation is better understood. Still, it sounds like this is almost exactly what you are doing in your script, with a lot more features added in!
Flicker: I'm still working on testing dmilligans amazing script, but in the meantime I tried a copy of the RE:Match plugin when I dropped in to an agency I work with who has just about every AE plugin known. I've seen this plug mentioned before but the workflow I saw spoke about using JPEG previews as the sequence to match to. I didn't need to do this to get a usable result, what I did was:
duplicated the ACR sequence in AE, found a frame I considered middle of the road wrt range and brightness in the lower version and set 'time/freeze frame' in AE.
inserted RE:Match on the top version and, after a bit of playing around, used these settings:
Get color from: lower (time frozen) sequence
Transfer method: gain+offset
Color space: LAB
Other combinations of settings ranged from horrible to almost as good with the video I'm using.
And that's it really. The flicker is completely gone. I still have some very mild slow brightness changes visible (the ACR changes between frames are more than gain+offset differences) but it looks much better than before. You could also use the snapshot/match to still feature rather than the time freeze thing I did but potato potahto.
Next, to experiment with the Bridge script! Perhaps I can save a few quid and not have to buy RE:Match. Dmilligan could easily charge for the script if it works as expected, I'm pleased he doesn't of course.
Quote from: britom on November 24, 2013, 08:57:59 AM
Does somebody knows what happened to dual iso video on the 7d?
Don't now about it :( What i think is missing from the 7D
*Dual-iso in video mode
*ExFat
* Video Hacks? ALL-I
*Zoom 10x
Does anyone have problems with the RAW2CDNG????reaches the middle of work and stays K.O.... Build November25...
Hi everyone!! Any way to have moré than 1728x972 without the crop factor?? Regards!
It comes out like a lightning in a flash. If CHDK's code can be borrowed to ML, ML can actually steal the whole area of photo shooting into raw sequence, namely 1:1 raw video ;D
Quote from: javyelow on November 27, 2013, 12:50:46 AM
Hi everyone!! Any way to have moré than 1728x972 without the crop factor?? Regards!
there is no way. get some wide angle lens.
Quote from: dmilligan on November 26, 2013, 02:12:56 PM
I think the reason that the highlight slider is "so good" is also what is causing the flicker, at least to some extent. It's causing the flicker because it's 'image adaptive'. It analyzes the image and determines the best curve on the fly based on image content. This is what makes it work so well, it's also what makes it flicker, each frame is slightly different.
There are however, other controls that Adobe has made 'image adaptive' that don't neccessarily need to be, and it would be nice if Adobe would make them 'temporally aware' or something like that. It's my understanding that fewer of the 'Process 2010' controls are image adapative, so a lot of folks use 2010 mode in ACR for RAW video.
All the sliders in the Basic panel in PV2012 are image-adaptive, and things like Clarity always have to be. 'Exposure' and 'Brightness' in PV2010 were just offsets (the latter having a rolloff). Yes this does cause a problem when the input source is a sequence, and the need to tweak ACR to be more 'video-friendly' is one reason why it didn't make it into the 7.1 release. I can't comment on future updates though. Realistically with a DNG > ACR > After Effects workflow, you only use ACR for the factory corrections (white balance/tint and lens distortion, maybe just a tad of noise filtering but not too much) and all the exposure/contrast stuff is then applied with curves effects in AE. If you're working on a 32-bit comp there's no difference in final quality.
Thank you for that DFM. Much appreciated. I feel much more confident now that I know that as long as I'm working in 32 bits in AE that I can still 'get at' all the data. I'd hoped as such, but without proper testing and your comment, it was a guess. So, I can confidently use video tools to do the problematic stuff I was doing in ACR. Lovely.
Your statement about NR - 'a tad of filtering but not too much'. Is that a comment on aesthetics or is there something that doing NR in ACR (as opposed to, say, Neat Video, or MB Denoiser) that means it's a worse choice?
Which also leads to my next question - Is the sharpening in ACR safe to use as well?
My trusty old 7D is exciting me again, and although there's workflow changes to go through, the results are worth it when you need them. I keep thinking of old projects I could have really used a few raw shots in :-)
When I was visiting the agency the other day (I just happened to have a CF card with the raw files on them :-) I had a play around in Nuke with the J_Ops additions. It's likely going to be a result of my limited skills with Nuke but I found the Adobe process more straightforward and I could get better results faster.
JZ
Sharpening and noise reduction in ACR applies per-image, so it depends how aggressive you are. Toning down luma noise from high ISO footage is generally OK, but if you smooth or sharpen the image too far the affected areas can be different enough between frames (at the pixel level) to introduce flicker. Some of the native video tools for sharpening and NR will peek at adjacent frames and make sure the pixel changes are gradual.
It's similar to the exposure/clarity question - in theory when you're shooting the real world, two frames should have extremely-similar contents (just with the pixels shifted a bit). Unless there's a speedlite going off you shouldn't see flickering in the footage even though the exposure slider is frame-based, as "90% of white" in frame 999 should be visually the same as in frame 1000. Push it too far and you do.
I wouldn't have any problem taking a high-ISO ML DNG sequence back to a "normal" noise/sharpness level with the ACR sliders,.
Quote from: DFM on November 27, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Sharpening and noise reduction in ACR applies per-image, so it depends how aggressive you are. Toning down luma noise from high ISO footage is generally OK, but if you smooth or sharpen the image too far the affected areas can be different enough between frames (at the pixel level) to introduce flicker. Some of the native video tools for sharpening and NR will peek at adjacent frames and make sure the pixel changes are gradual.
It's similar to the exposure/clarity question - in theory when you're shooting the real world, two frames should have extremely-similar contents (just with the pixels shifted a bit). Unless there's a speedlite going off you shouldn't see flickering in the footage even though the exposure slider is frame-based, as "90% of white" in frame 999 should be visually the same as in frame 1000. Push it too far and you do.
I wouldn't have any problem taking a high-ISO ML DNG sequence back to a "normal" noise/sharpness level with the ACR sliders,.
I use the acr for the correction of luminance noise and detail and I think is an excellent tool.
Davinci Resolve however I think that in this sense the image loses qualities of fine detail and noise correction, even if a more comfortable tool...
Quote from: javyelow on November 27, 2013, 12:50:46 AM
Hi everyone!! Any way to have moré than 1728x972 without the crop factor?? Regards!
Really it's only a 12% scale... upscale to 1080 and looks just as good.
In Premiere Pro I just set my sequence 1080p, and then in the effects controls > Motion > Scale > 112
It's that easy.
So from my point of view I have 1080p RAW from my 7D now and, and the current nightly build I'm using is as stable as I could ask for. So, I'm extremely thankful to all that contributed and especially 1% for taking the 7D reigns and riding it!
On another note...
If there's ever a possibility to get scratch audio, I would be even more thankful ;-) If we could get audio and I mean the audio only has to be of a minimum standard... even as low as 8,000Hz with the lowest bit rate... I'm talking about making the scratch audio literally "scratch audio" so as not to take too much away from from the benchmark speed of my card. One of my (and many others I'm sure) Christmas wishes for Merry ol' Saint 1% ;-)
oh and Happy Thanksgiving.
Cheers DFM. Excellent info on the ACR noise and sharpening. As recommended, I'll keep it to a dull roar and use AE for anything else.
Quote from: britom on November 24, 2013, 08:57:59 AM
Does somebody knows what happened to dual iso video on the 7d?
Please answer this man...his question is a very great one...
I face a problem. For recordings that exceed 3.99 GB the recorded file becomes unusable. Is there any corrections that were done in the recent releases.
With FAT32 there is a 4 GB file size limitation. Therefore your camera will splitt longer recordings into 2 (or more) files which have to be merged manually on your computer.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg87812#msg87812
Er, I've been a numbskull. Should have been putting the post-pro posts in a different thread. One of the raw post-production ones :-) Apologies for the noise, the excitement got the better of me.
Quote from: immi on November 28, 2013, 07:45:25 AM
I face a problem. For recordings that exceed 3.99 GB the recorded file becomes unusable. Is there any corrections that were done in the recent releases.
Yesterday I record two minutes and generate 2 files, I extract with the last build of RAW2Cdng and it work's perfect...3017frames... ;D
Thank You
@ Walter
Perfect Solution :)
@ hdclip is it?
I too tried the raw2cdng but it works only after combining the files into a single file.
Does that raw2cdng convert all the frames from both the files?
Can you give the link for that version of raw2cdng.
thanks
Quote from: immi on November 28, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
@ hdclip is it?
I too tried the raw2cdng but it works only after combining the files into a single file.
Does that raw2cdng convert all the frames from both the files?
Can you give the link for that version of raw2cdng.
thanks
http://www.phreekz.de/wordpress/2013/06/magiclantern-raw2cdng-cinema-dng/
The first file is RAW, the second, my computer recognizes it as RAR but is the extension of the first, when you get in there RAW2Cdng automatically detects and extract both two in a single folder.
The version is 1.4.6
Mi first raw video test!
colored with davinci resolve
nice results for me!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqsoWSkqoUQ
Quote from: javyelow on November 28, 2013, 05:36:01 PM
Mi first raw video test!
colored with davinci resolve
nice results for me!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqsoWSkqoUQ
Hola Javier!!!!esta guapo el test...!!!!por fin hablar un poco en cristiano...jejeje
Oye, para el tema correccion de detalle y ruido, el Resolve te va bien???yo es que no consigo dejar de usar el Ligthroom o Photoshop, me da que el Resolve y el Magiclantern RAW todavia no se entienden del todo bien no???otra cosa que me impulso a decidirme por el otro Workflow fue los espacios de color y Gamma, aunque mas el color...el Rec709 es muy contrastado no??tu como has resuelto estas cosillas en Resolve???
Un saludo y un placer...Ciao!!!
Quote1728x972
Change aspect ratio away from 16:9.. you can do 1728x1152 which is taller than 1080P. Wider then you need crop.
For other stuff...
dual iso video probably not likely, this generation of cam only has 1 register in video mode.
all-I is possible on some builds but it needs signed images and that is a pain in the ass, I took it off when moving the flush rate/gop too fast locked the camera.
10x, you don't really want to fix it.. the raw image is the same as 5x and its the only chance at real hacked mode with LV dead... at least another 2-3MB/s.. 50D can't do this, nor can 5DII
scratch audio will knock down your write rate too much to make it worth it, even low rate audio. even more fun when it causes pink frames
still on vaca till the 10th.
@ hdclip
Thank you very much for the raw2cdng link. I tried coloring my raw footage using speedgrade with the 5diii look preset, works perfectly fine.
Has the sound recording issue in RAW been fixed?
For the USA people... http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=22239
Quote from: 1% on November 29, 2013, 04:16:43 AM
Change aspect ratio away from 16:9.. you can do 1728x1152 which is taller than 1080P. Wider then you need crop.
dual iso video probably not likely, this generation of cam only has 1 register in video mode.
all-I is possible on some builds but it needs signed images and that is a pain in the ass, I took it off when moving the flush rate/gop too fast locked the camera.
scratch audio will knock down your write rate too much to make it worth it, even low rate audio. even more fun when it causes pink frames
still on vaca till the 10th.
Thanks 1% Im sorry for iso-video and for the ALL-I :'( ...but it's life :D I hope you are enjoying vacations at maximum power 8) Let's gooo....
Quote from: immi on November 29, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
@ hdclip
Thank you very much for the raw2cdng link. I tried coloring my raw footage using speedgrade with the 5diii look preset, works perfectly fine.
Has the sound recording issue in RAW been fixed?
I have had no problems using an H4N and syncing to the camera beep in post. ML beep is fine to sync to.
Quote from: jman on November 29, 2013, 11:45:58 PM
I have had no problems using an H4N and syncing to the camera beep in post. ML beep is fine to sync to.
Provided it's audible, i.e. the camera is in range, and you're only using
one camera.
Slating each scene is much easier and can lock any number of cameras to any number of audio tracks. It has a bunch of other advantages that matter for RAW shooting (shot info on screen, whibal targets, etc.). Stick a ColorChecker card to the slate and you have everything you need to match footage from different cameras, as you can dump that DNG frame into XRite's software and create a color profile that normalizes each clip.
Quote from: DFM on November 30, 2013, 11:23:28 AM
Provided it's audible, i.e. the camera is in range, and you're only using one camera.
Slating each scene is much easier and can lock any number of cameras to any number of audio tracks. It has a bunch of other advantages that matter for RAW shooting (shot info on screen, whibal targets, etc.). Stick a ColorChecker card to the slate and you have everything you need to match footage from different cameras, as you can dump that DNG frame into XRite's software and create a color profile that normalizes each clip.
Hello!!!!I would like to know, wich XRITE do you use to create color profile???thank's!!!
Hello!
I have some problems while playback my images in my camera...
always wants to upload the video files, (RAW video) and I can't see the pictures....I have to wait for the video, finish the upload and then watch the photos....but sometimes, I can't even find the images in my card!
what's wrong? I have all modules on....
is there an easier way to see my photos taken....and do not mess with all the video files...?
If no video file is in my card, there is no problem....
any suggestion?
...I found that after disable the RAW video capability, you can watch the images as before ML...so simple!
it's very interesting that you have to search and experiment for any new move in ML menus....
amazing!
hey guys...
what are these files : M30-2311.IDX & M30-2311.MLV that are in my EOS7D folder ...? I have some pictures taken yesterday and 2 video files RAW, one simple and one testing about 2K and today that I have time to process them I found these files, that have never saw again....
any help?
Quote from: chris bouk on December 01, 2013, 11:05:14 AM
hey guys...
what are these files : M30-2311.IDX & M30-2311.MLV that are in my EOS7D folder ...? I have some pictures taken yesterday and 2 video files RAW, one simple and one testing about 2K and today that I have time to process them I found these files, that have never saw again....
any help?
Short Answer: The files ARE the video Raw. To see it, you have to process it with mlv2dng.
Long Asnwer: Read the thread. It´s very long, but there´s a lot of usefull info.
Thrilled to bits with the new/old camera I have with 972p raw, I decided to push the envelope a bit so I've tried the crop mode. I was getting a reasonable number of frames at 1920x818 with a Lexar 1000x card. However, I have been disappointed with the lack of sharpness compared to some of the examples I've seen on Vimeo. It just occurred to me however - I use a VAF7D (which I highly recommend for the 1278x972 or standard formats) and my limited understanding of the filter is that it's designed specifically for the 7D system spitting out 1080p using the default Canon setup. Perhaps the filter is not agreeing with the crop mode? I'll test (probably next weekend) but I was wondering if anyone else had experience with this? It's not the lens - 17-55 2.8, which is nicely sharp as long as I get the focus right. Maybe it's just my rubbish skilz?
While I'm here (yes, yes, off topic again but I'm already adding to the noise with the stuff above) I've been sneaking in a few of the ACR basic adjustments again as I prefer what I can do with my images compared to the other tools I have. No flickering but the examples I've been working on haven't had significant changes in lighting throughout the shot. And I've been very moderate. I just haven't been happy with what I've been getting from Cineform Studio Prem (using matrix numbers from this forum), or Speedgrade, or Resolve Lite using RAWs or DNGs - so far. Again, could be user error. But there's something to be said for getting pleasing images with minimal effort/talent. Well, relatively minimal.
Quote from: CaronteGF on December 01, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
Short Answer: The files ARE the video Raw. To see it, you have to process it with mlv2dng.
Long Asnwer: Read the thread. It´s very long, but there´s a lot of usefull info.
the MLV is RAW video file....but the IDX isn't....what is that?
QuoteI use a VAF7D (which I highly recommend for the 1278x972 or standard formats
Its not designed to shoot crop mode only the 1x, the sensor readout is different. For the 1728x1152 it would rock I guess but for crop make things blurry no matter the focus.
IDX is the index of the chunks, you can delete it if you want. I believe in MLV they are not sequential so you can have CF/SD writing at the same time to 2 different files on 5DIII... yea does jack for us.
Started testing the RAW, Very excited.
Thank you all.. i'm loving it..
Big deal here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-7D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-18-Megapixel-Refurbished-3814B056AA/370951968830?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item565e75d83e
Quote from: edwmotion on December 02, 2013, 09:28:55 AM
Big deal here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-7D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-18-Megapixel-Refurbished-3814B056AA/370951968830?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item565e75d83e
here in Austin,Tx you can find 7d bodys for 750 all the time on Craigslist.com
Hey all!! Very pleased with the last versions of ML.. really loving the digic peaking, thanks 1%, it appears to work flawlessly!! :)
Although I'd like to report a bug, a bit dangerous one.. very weird!!:
Randomly while using the camera, when I hit record I will get the canon buffer bars, which will fill in 2 seconds. Now, here comes the confusing part: I get 2 seconds of freezed live view, after that the rec icon on the top-right is still present, although nothing is recording! I check because then I have only a 2 second file.
I cant really tell when or how to reproduce the bug, it happened twice. Very random I guess.. I wasnt using anything fancy, I did however used the digic peaking.. but cant really tell if that's the problem. I think I had modules loaded but none activated via menus. I use a pretty basic ML while working. I did not get any crash report logs with this.
Does anyone know something about this?
BTW, I'm using Transcend 166x 32gb cards. I never got any buffer warnings ever.
Cheers!!!
Quote from: hdclip on November 30, 2013, 04:54:16 PM
Hello!!!!I would like to know, wich XRITE do you use to create color profile???thank's!!!
X-Rite's ColorChecker products come with their own profiling software. Normally people use it as a Lr plugin but it runs in standalone mode, you feed it any untouched DNG that shows the card and it spits out an ICC profile; which you can then apply to the ML DNG sequence through the Camera Calibration panel in ACR.
Quote from: DFM on December 02, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
X-Rite's ColorChecker products come with their own profiling software. Normally people use it as a Lr plugin but it runs in standalone mode, you feed it any untouched DNG that shows the card and it spits out an ICC profile; which you can then apply to the ML DNG sequence through the Camera Calibration panel in ACR.
Ok, Thank´s!!!!!!! ;)
Devs - An Observation on Cut-Up/Pink-Frames
I've been using ML Raw Video (raw rec) on a 7D and find it is hard to totally eliminate the occasional cut-up / pink frame:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67748370/CutUpPinkFrame.jpg)
If recording with Global Draw on, I get approximately 1 bad frame per 1000 good frames. Not a lot, but enough to be annoying to edit out. Turning off Global Draw reduces but does not totally eliminate it. Looking over a number of the videos, I have realized the cut-up/pink-frames are ALWAYS ON ODD FRAMES (with the first frame in the sequence being frame zero).
Diving into the code (raw_rec.c), this corresponds to transfers from the ML allocated memory buffer used in the liveview double-buffering scheme (i.e. fullsize_buffers[0]) as opposed to Canons' buffer (full-size_buffer[1]).
I don't know why the ML allocated memory would be more more prone to corrupt frames than the default Canon buffer - but it seems like it is.
As an experiment, I simply changed the code to eliminate the double buffering. The Canon buffer is used by default and I removed the call to raw_lv_redirect_edmac(). I have looked at over 30,000 frames taken with this change while running with Global Draw on, Histogram on and Spotmeter on - mostly non-cropped (but some cropped) at 24FPS, 1728*972. Not a single cut-up/pink-or-corrupted-frame yet.
Given this, I am wondering whether double-buffering is strictly needed. At the end of the day, the liveview buffer on average needs to get offloaded before the next vsync cycle. As the transfers are executed off-CPU (by EDMAC) and the transfers are set up within callbacks (are these done within the context of interrupts?) - even with a busy CPU, they should be able to complete reliably in time.
So I am looking for any feedback from the devs on this. Was double-buffering added to solve a specific problem (that might now have been addressed by more sophisticated FIO buffering)? Is this likely to be a 7D-only fix with other models requiring the double-buffering? For sure I need to do some more testing with larger resolutions, 30 FPS, etc.
Thanks
.
Great find.
Double buffering is used to avoid problems like duplicate/skipped frames or tearing (that is, while a buffer is being filled, the other one is being cropped and queued for writing). The method of switching the buffer is not perfect, and I think that one is more likely to cause this problem.
Can this be the end of pink/corrupted frames ?? :D
I personally, without any supporting evidence, think that this pink frame issue is caused by hardware. If you remember the news that 7D will sometimes mess up two pictures into one when 7D comes out, I believe that is the reason. It might be caused by CPU or DMA chanel is not coping fast enough. So, if it is hardware, the issue will be innate, and there is no way to be fixed by software. One feasible solution might be to reduce to write speed below the threshold (if there is any) for pink frames. Based on these above speculations, I have a hard time to understand 7D's buffer technologies, it might be good for those titan cameras to squeeze out some extra MBs, but for a slow camera like 7D, most people, for example me :D, might rather stay with 1728 x XXX resolution without expecting any miracles to happen soon, just to choose the safe side. So the buffer technology that is employing on 7D recent build might be way way way too aggressive for that poor camera. :D
It has been long time in my chess, but it is only speculation so it is just to speak out my chess.
Quote from: 1% on December 01, 2013, 11:08:23 PM
IDX is the index of the chunks, you can delete it if you want. I believe in MLV they are not sequential so you can have CF/SD writing at the same time to 2 different files on 5DIII... yea does jack for us.
what do you mean exactly...did I wrote two different files...at the same time?
...sounds good....I have to test it again...!!!which is better, MLV or RAW???
For the moment I'm searching for RAW 2K video and I've got some good results, even with a 233X CF memory card, but only for a few seconds...
To tell you the truth I want to test for longer periods of time and see what happen...
but I have problems when watching the results, if a RAW video is in the card, I can't see my pictures taken in the same card...I have to disable RAW (off) and then reboot or play with Canon's menu. Is it normal, or I'm doing something wrong?
Thanks for the comment on the VAF-7D, 1%. What I was thinking -
(note, hypothesis on my part)
Mosaic filter is designed to work specifically at the 1728x972 pixel (not photosite) resolution, which is achieved by a particular formula of line skipping. From what I have read when the 7D records standard 1080p it is upscaled from this res anyway. Frankly, I'd rather do any upscaling myself, save a few CPU cycles during editing/post and choose exactly which algorithm and sharpening to use if I want 1080p. I'm unlikely to be producing video for anything other than the web or computer screen for the forseeable future anyway so I'm actually more likely to downscale to 720p. Doing this, with the raw files, I'm avoiding the upscale/downscale and going straight to the downscale from 972p!
Crop modes are closer to/(exactly?) a 1:1 pixel correspondence (probably not strictly true as we're talking about photosites but I'm simplifying by concentrating on the output, not the pre de-bayer) so the VAF-7D, which is effectively a clever form of blurring, is fighting me. Reducing image quality.
Does this make sense?
I'm risking being one of those people making ignorant statements about topics they don't know that much about but all the above certainly seems plausible to me.
Quote from: mucher on December 02, 2013, 08:18:36 PM
I personally, without any supporting evidence, think that this pink frame issue is caused by hardware. If you remember the news that 7D will sometimes mess up two pictures into one when 7D comes out, I believe that is the reason. It might be caused by CPU or DMA chanel is not coping fast enough. So, if it is hardware, the issue will be innate, and there is no way to be fixed by software.
I bought my 7D on the first day and never had noticed that messed up pictures...
After you read m1ke's post even strange what you think... :P
QuoteDoes anyone know something about this?
Maybe double buffering as a setting and trying it on different cameras... wonder what will happen...
CPU usage and canon processes will definitely do it. Killing GD on record and turning off canon dialog refresh gets rid of 99% of pink frames for me even at the highest 1x res.
I added stuff like unlock expo while recording and full time color preview so maybe those would work with only single buffered video?
Quotewhich is effectively a clever form of blurring, is fighting me. Reducing image quality.
Yep, pretty much. It gets rid of aliasing via a blur deal so when you read 1:1/3 you can see the blur and your video is never sharp.
Ok, its done... its faster but dunno how tearing/etc will go. You might get some more 2k out of it :)
http://tl.bot-fly.com/ it's again down??
Quote from: arrinkiiii on December 03, 2013, 10:24:52 AM
http://tl.bot-fly.com/ it's again down??
Yes is Down...if you need the last 28Nov, I can give you....
Anyone know how to set the recording to 50fps, if I change the settings to canon 1280X720 50fps and 50 fps magic all right but as for the aspect ratio becomes crazy
Quote from: hdclip on December 03, 2013, 11:04:25 AM
Yes is Down...if you need the last 28Nov, I can give you....
Thanks hdclip :D ...but i want to try the new build, from yesterday :D
For what i remember, you change in the canon menu and then change in ML menu the fps and lock the fps... Wend i try it i did this and everything went alright.
Yep, 1%. I've tested it, too - removal of VAF brings back nice sharp video using crop mode. I can even get a second or so of 2.5K - sharp as a tack and after quick reviewing in AE, haven't noticed any hideous moiré. Once again, I am gobsmacked at the work you guys are doing.
In crop mode (all lines read out) no moire. The moire only show up wend recorded in normal mode, in that process the reading of the sensor is in "skip line" mode and with this the moire is there.
-Meanwhile i receive right now my first 1000x card (KB 32gb) by mail, nice present from girlfriend ;D Going to benchmark this card... after doing that do i need to make any math calculations with the numbers that the benchmark give's me, for see how much this car-d can go in speed?? AHUUUUUUUUUUU :D
heh, it was up like yesterday... sucks because I wonder how the single buffering is going to work out in the wild.
FUCK...!!!! My KB3 2gb 1000x is F*#&ing DEAD :-[ Can't format in camera or in computer !!! Even i use the kingston fcr-hs3 3.0 usb card reader (that i have already for 2 or 3 months). Not even 15 minutes with the damn card !!!
Komputerbay - This is a love/hate relationship. I love u guys but for the first time i get a KB card and this is what happen???
...can someone explain to me please, how it is possible to view images when you have RAW video also in the CF card into the camera?
I always have to finish watch the videos and then when is the pictures turn, I can't see theme in the LCD screen of my camera....! the frames of the RAW video are loading, normally but what may I have to do to watch the pictures...? it's the third time that I'm asking this question.... :-[
Quote from: chris bouk on December 03, 2013, 05:10:39 PM
...can someone explain to me please, how it is possible to view images when you have RAW video also in the CF card into the camera?
I always have to finish watch the videos and then when is the pictures turn, I can't see theme in the LCD screen of my camera....! the frames of the RAW video are loading, normally but what may I have to do to watch the pictures...? it's the third time that I'm asking this question.... :-[
Good question. Maybe you must un-load the module that makes the raw player (play_mo module?)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on December 03, 2013, 05:15:54 PM
Good question. Maybe you must un-load the module that makes the raw player (play_mo module?)
thank you arrinkiiii I will try it.....I was so disappointed by this thing....when I have no RAW videos in my card, everything is simple!
I will give it a try and reply!
It was supposed to be a feature... you press play and review your raw shots and or delete them. Nobody likes it?
Quote from: 1% on December 03, 2013, 05:41:02 PM
It was supposed to be a feature... you press play and review your raw shots and or delete them. Nobody likes it?
1% of course and it is a good thought, but if you have also pictures in your card, it's a little bit....complicated...I should say...I want to try if creating folders into the card, one for the photos and recording the videos in another folder, maybe could be easier....? ? ? I don't know, I will try it tonight or tomorrow morning...(Greece) and I will reply...Thank you for your effort to do this magic world of Lantern!
I think its better to block it if LV is off in MLV play.. thats what got me when using it. If raw is on and shooting stills you can't review your stills.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on December 03, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Thanks hdclip :D ...but i want to try the new build, from yesterday :D
For what i remember, you change in the canon menu and then change in ML menu the fps and lock the fps... Wend i try it i did this and everything went alright.
Yes but the aspect ratio doesnt found ok...if you put 16/9 is not really 16/9, you must to crop on post... littlebit confusion... :-[
hallo 1%, maybe if it's possible it would be nice double clicking the play button to preview the raw footage and a normal press to bring up the basic preview as it should. I believe it would be more common for everyone like this if its possible :)
Benchmark with SanDisk Extreme Pro 160 mb/s 1067 cf card.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/johnman_01/TEST_zps38f7ecbd.png) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/johnman_01/media/TEST_zps38f7ecbd.png.html)
Actually, and I'm sorry if I'm alone here, I like the system where RAW is viewed when the camera is used for RAW and standard images (photos and H264 video) when it's not. What I've been doing is use one card (Lexar x1000) for raw video and an older card (Sandisk Extreme 60MB/s) for other stuff. I understand this might financially be a problem for some people but for me it means focus on what I'm doing. All it requires is a boot and card swap, easier even than going into the menus from an idiot proofing point of view.
And jman, nice benchmarks. I've not concentrated on benchmarking my camera, did it once ages ago and didn't pay much attention. I suspect any trace of the benchmarks are long gone, it was several versions ago and I've reformatted my card and reinstalled several times since then. Does it help, or is it for information only? I haven't been unhappy with performance at all. I switch global draw off, use a 128MB startup file, and only use frame override when I'm playing with crop mode. I was using MLV for a while but I like Rawanizer for getting the files to my HDD so I've switched back to old fashioned RAW as Rawanizer doesn't recognise MLV. I also have more options for the odd occasion my files are a bit finicky, I have a couple of MLVs that aren't read by mlv2dng and it's the only option on PC that I know about.
Since the server is down, i posted the single-buffer build here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Please post your results so 1% can analize them
Quote from: britom on December 03, 2013, 10:04:14 PM
Since the server is down, i posted the single-buffer build here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Please post your results so 1% can analize them
Thanks britom :)
Yea and don't forget to enable it first. It still allocates all memory but only uses the canon "1" buffers.
Quote from: jayzed on December 03, 2013, 09:26:04 PM
Actually, and I'm sorry if I'm alone here, I like the system where RAW is viewed when the camera is used for RAW and standard images (photos and H264 video) when it's not. What I've been doing is use one card (Lexar x1000) for raw video and an older card (Sandisk Extreme 60MB/s) for other stuff. I understand this might financially be a problem for some people but for me it means focus on what I'm doing. All it requires is a boot and card swap, easier even than going into the menus from an idiot proofing point of view.
And jman, nice benchmarks. I've not concentrated on benchmarking my camera, did it once ages ago and didn't pay much attention. I suspect any trace of the benchmarks are long gone, it was several versions ago and I've reformatted my card and reinstalled several times since then. Does it help, or is it for information only? I haven't been unhappy with performance at all. I switch global draw off, use a 128MB startup file, and only use frame override when I'm playing with crop mode. I was using MLV for a while but I like Rawanizer for getting the files to my HDD so I've switched back to old fashioned RAW as Rawanizer doesn't recognise MLV. I also have more options for the odd occasion my files are a bit finicky, I have a couple of MLVs that aren't read by mlv2dng and it's the only option on PC that I know about.
Hey jayzed....I'm very happy with the Sept 12 build. No problems at all. I can shoot all 1x raw with global draw ON continuous at full res. With crop I can go 2048 at 2:35 continuous. So not bad. I'm not quite sure what these recent builds offer, but I'm from the if it's not broken don't fix it school. Cheers.
Quote from: 1% on November 29, 2013, 04:16:43 AM
Change aspect ratio away from 16:9.. you can do 1728x1152...
scratch audio will knock down your write rate too much to make it worth it, even low rate audio. even more fun when it causes pink frames
still on vaca till the 10th.
Ahhhh... did not know I could do that. Ty. Will give that a shot myself.
...Sync audio really isn't so bad but it never hurts to ask ;D
Thanks again... enjoy the vacation!
There is no way for me to do 50 fps, always the frame is Deformed...regardless of the aspect ratio...:(
If you have trouble with such simple things (like resizing an image in post), you probably should not use ML at all.
Try reading some sticky topics, for example this: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5472.0
I'm sorry, not my intention...I only expose a problem that I think is important...But if this forum is only for developers may be you must to select better the incription of the people.
Thank's and sorry again.
Quote from: a1ex on December 04, 2013, 10:53:28 AM
If you have trouble with such simple things (like resizing an image in post), you probably should not use ML at all.
Try reading some sticky topics, for example this: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5472.0
Anyone can use ML, is open. What kind of moderator are you?
Moderators are polite and educated.
Contain yourself my "friend".
Kick me if you whant, but we no deserve this kind of attitude, even if it comes from a moderator.
FYI: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing
Quote from: a1ex on December 05, 2013, 06:44:24 PM
FYI: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing
Ok, I overreacted. This is not the best place.
Apologies to a1ex and all.
Quote from: humbs on December 05, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
Anyone can use ML, is open. What kind of moderator are you?
Moderators are polite and educated.
Contain yourself my "friend".
Kick me if you whant, but we no deserve this kind of attitude, even if it comes from a moderator.
First of all a1ex is not a "moderator", he's an Admin and one of the main programmers of ML, he deserves massive amount of respect for everything he's done and not a primer on how a moderator should behave.
Secondly, he's got a solid point. ML is not some plug-and-play toy and it's most definitely not meant to be used by just about anyone. It's a complex piece of software that requires some prior knowledge in the technology behind it, and a knack for this sort of things. ML is open and free, just like Blender or Python...but that doesn't mean that someone who can barely use iMovie should go get them and start messing with them, it would only result in frustration.
There is tons...TONS of information available on this site and on other places on everything you could possibly want to know about using ML, what is possible, what is not possible and why. Posting questions that have already been answered a few hundred times or asking for functionality that has been already dismissed as not possible is not helpful.
Sorry...posted my reply before the new reply was replied....anyhoo, you get the idea. :P
Quote from: jman on December 04, 2013, 12:47:00 AM
Hey jayzed....I'm very happy with the Sept 12 build. No problems at all. I can shoot all 1x raw with global draw ON continuous at full res. With crop I can go 2048 at 2:35 continuous.
Global draw on Crop is not a good idea then? You shooting at 2048x872? How fast is your CF card?
Just gathering some info for a friend with a 7D and an itch to shoot his next project in raw.
Quote from: Midphase on December 05, 2013, 07:14:54 PM
Global draw on Crop is not a good idea then? You shooting at 2048x872? How fast is your CF card?
Just gathering some info for a friend with a 7D and an itch to shoot his next project in raw.
I just retested in 5x crop. I can do, as you say 2048 x 872 at 2:35:1 in 5x with global draw ON. The card reads 73.6 mb/s on continuous. The benchmark pic for the card you will see on this page (84) under jman.
The card is a sandisk extreme pro 160 mb/s 1067x. Cheers.
Quote from: humbs on December 05, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
Anyone can use ML, is open. What kind of moderator are you?
Moderators are polite and educated.
Contain yourself my "friend".
Kick me if you whant, but we no deserve this kind of attitude, even if it comes from a moderator.
Firstly the 7d version of ML is still in alpha, he is correct when he said that you probably shouldn't be using it as there are bound to be issues that will require you to have advanced knowledge in post production, RAW itself requires a hell of a lot of knowledge itself.
Not sure why people act as if they paid for Magic Lantern, everyone needs to remember that the devs here give this to you for free, we should be thankful not demanding, do not act like the devs owe you something or should be polite in any way.
I do most of my work in after effects, a lot of people on this forum seem to spend a lot of time converting and resizing footage in other software to make it compatible which I can understand your frustration if that's the case as it can take a lot of time, it's why I recommend AE as it's as simple as importing the DNG sequence and scaling it up by around 11%, it literally takes a few seconds to do and works perfectly.
You can try global draw + single buffering and see what happens to speed and pink frames... or frame before and have the whole deal shut off while recording. If you're not messing with focus or anything else while recording you'll be ok.
Quote from: jman on December 05, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
I just retested in 5x crop. I can do, as you say 2048 x 872 at 2:35:1 in 5x with global draw ON. The card reads 73.6 mb/s on continuous. The benchmark pic for the card you will see on this page (84) under jman.
The card is a sandisk extreme pro 160 mb/s 1067x. Cheers.
wow. Even with crop 10x, GD off and speed >80Mb/s cant get such results(
Not sure if this is the right place for such a question, but I'm using the same build I use with RAW to record some h.264 (raw modules not loaded and raw video turned off) and want to monitor audio on some headphones via an A/V cable. The cable works, and I can hear the audio fine! But when I plug it in, it turns off the LCD, same behavior that I would expect when plugging in an SD monitor. I've tried every setting. Any ideas?
Just curious, what film back values should I put in tracking software, if I use crop mode? Normal mode is: 22.3x12.54
Loaded Britom's single buffer version and let it run till card's full, and the single buffer needs to be enabled in the Raw Video's advanced submenu. The Single buffer is slight faster than the double buffer version and seemingly much more consistent.
Haven't got any chance to field test the RAW video yet. Wish that there could be more options between 2054 to 2521, seeming under 2.35:1 and 2.39:1 aspects, 7D can get to something like 21XX x XXX
Quotewow. Even with crop 10x, GD off and speed >80Mb/s cant get such results(
FPS override....
For the headphone toggle it when you boot up, won't work if you just plug in as the command has to go to the master.
Crazy question here. Is there any way that while I'm recording in raw I could take a screen shot of the Liveview info ??
I think from the menu you can do a screen shot 10s but it does a speed drop when you do. There is a buffer graph in MLV rec too.
Quote from: 1% on December 07, 2013, 02:03:13 AM
I think from the menu you can do a screen shot 10s but it does a speed drop when you do. There is a buffer graph in MLV rec too.
Thanks 1% !!
I calculate the sensor area used like this: Assuming that 5184 is the horizonal width of all the 7D sensor, 2054 horizonal resolution will mean: 2054 / 5184 x 22.3(mm) = 8.836 mm, if you use aspect like 2.35:1, the vertical area used in the sensor will be like 2054 / 5184 x 22.3 / 2.35 (the aspect ratio) = 3.76 mm. So you can see that ML can only use a tiny fraction of 7D's sensor. The diagonal length is like 9.6 mm, maybe only slight bigger than camcorders like XF300
Thanks 1%, toggling headphone monitor off and on after each boot works perfectly to prevent the screen from going black.
I'm sure you're busy coding important things like how to shoot 8k raw at 1000fps with a 7D, but is there any way to have the camera default at startup to headphone monitor off to avoid confusion? Or better yet to toggle the setting itself at boot if it's supposed to be on? (don't know if that's possible, just an idea)
Thanks again!
In case anyone is interested in 7D+MLV+1x+GD on+focus peaking...
I spent a few hours today building and testing different versions of tragic-lantern-6d from the past few weeks to try and find out which change caused the performance drop in MLV with GD on and focus peaking.
It turned out to be 10350:c849adc8291b, which lowered the writer_thread task priority from 0x05 to 0x1C in order to fix the pink frame problems. However, that task priority seems to be lower than almost every other task in the system, so it also reduced the write performance in the focus peaking case.
I played around with some different values against the current hg tip. For me, 0x10 still suffered pink frames, but 0x12 or 0x15 both seemed to give no pink/corrupted frames, and enough write performance for 16:9 1728x972 1x with GD on and focus peaking.
The diff looks something like this:
--- a/modules/mlv_rec/mlv_rec.c Wed Dec 04 23:55:38 2013 -0600
+++ b/modules/mlv_rec/mlv_rec.c Sat Dec 07 22:07:24 2013 +0200
@@ -2615,7 +2615,7 @@
if(cam_5d2 || cam_50d || cam_7d)
{
- base_prio = 0x1C;
+ base_prio = 0x12; // 0x12-0x15 gives no pink frames and allows GD+focus peaking. 0x10 gives pink frames
}
task_create("writer_thread", base_prio + writer, 0x1000, raw_writer_task, (void*)writer);
(Since I don't have 5d2 or 50d, I can't test if this change is working for them. It might need a special 7d-only block.)
This good news, no? Thank you baldand.
I not even try the last Trangic Lantern build because i can't in this moment but this is good news indeed.
That must be the limit then.. all of these are the same so the change should work.
tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Dec07.7D203.zip
here
http://tinyurl.com/q4ywcjm
I have a question but not about raw.
I want to know if the 7D can do some overcrank like 1080p/48p or something like that. I know now it's don't work but I will like that if in the future we can do this with that beast!!!
why stop there
1% why can i have 4k 3d
this guy already is running 16K
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTN7Ayosq0
I am still wondering if it is possible that ML could borrow some codes from CHDK and export the RAW sequence, namely raw recording, without the need to go into crop mode, or, even, export jpg sequence directly, namely 5K video output. :D
Just try it and let us know ;)
Quote from: jsoucy on December 10, 2013, 04:40:11 AM
I have a question but not about raw.
I want to know if the 7D can do some overcrank like 1080p/48p or something like that. I know now it's don't work but I will like that if in the future we can do this with that beast!!!
With the actual build you can make 1080p in 5x crop mode and 48 fps with fps overide.
Can you show a proof?
!?!? U can't record in crop mode x5 until 2k or near 2,5k a few seconds? And use fps override??
Quote from: arrinkiiii on December 10, 2013, 12:50:12 PM
With the actual build you can make 1080p in 5x crop mode and 48 fps with fps overide.
Can you show the proof for this? Without arguing, if possible.
lol For 2 days that i don't have my camera, so... no, i can't. But if you are talking like that is because it can't. I just remember 2 months ago try the fps override wend 1% fix it. But maybe this is an questions for the specificity 48fps with the right 1080p. The sensor only can go to 17 and something... Crop mode you can go to 2k?
Sorry for "arguing". Discussing for understand better and sorry for misleading other people with my post. At least hope understand better this... and maybe help better this community.
Edit: Needed to phone a friend that have my camera and ask him what happen with the 7D fps override.
1980p with 48fps= NO
You only can make 48fps in 1728x694
thank's but I was not talking about raw but in h264
Quote from: jsoucy on December 10, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
thank's but I was not talking about raw but in h264
Damn... I think u talking about raw, since this is a raw thread. Why i don't know...
Speaking of H.264, since there's rarely any traffic to the 7D ML development thread anymore:
Does anyone know what happened to the video hack mode? The one that allows you to set GOP to 1, making the 7D capable of shooting All-I?
Quote from: feureau on December 11, 2013, 01:43:45 AM
Speaking of H.264, since there's rarely any traffic to the 7D ML development thread anymore:
Hi feureau, good to see you :D Maybe this thread need more voices/ideas/testers/reports...
Quote from: feureau on December 11, 2013, 01:43:45 AM
Does anyone know what happened to the video hack mode? The one that allows you to set GOP to 1, making the 7D capable of shooting All-I?
Quote from: 1% on November 29, 2013, 04:16:43 AM
all-I is possible on some builds but it needs signed images and that is a pain in the ass, I took it off when moving the flush rate/gop too fast locked the camera.
I still use a lot of h.264 for "paying" gig's. Having all-i would be good indeed. But is what we got from 7D, at least for now... 8)
Hi, Arinkii. Good to see you too.
The only problem with it was that:
1. It doesn't save the configuration. That is, every time you turn on the camera, you have to dial in your settings.
2. Every time you turn video hack on, it will disable the canon audio automatically.
3. the flush rate is limited to 50, so you can't All-I at 60fps.
I never found the "locking the camera if it moves the flush rate/gop too fast" problem though. Caveat: You have to set the flush rate according to the framerate, or it WILL crash/lock up the camera. i.e. flush at 24 if you shoot 23.976
It used to be on TL up til about, what last month? And it worked well if you know what to dial in.
Well all I is gop1... and gop being separate in theory would work like flush = whatever and gop = 1. It works on 600D/EOSM/etc but I'm not sure if the cache hack method worked on 7D ever... when correctly done your all-I files have meta data that reflects as much. (M?N?=1). Then the flush rate dumps the frames faster so you can have larger ones...
ie all 2MB I frames written every 3 vs <1MB I and 500K Px11 then write and make another I frame.
Easy to fill the buffer or force lower quality on the 2nd one.
Since tl.bot-fly.com is down till 2014:
tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Dec10.7D203
http://goo.gl/Ci5xnG (http://goo.gl/Ci5xnG)
I don't know if it is appropriate to say it here, but after upgrade to 7D's latest firmware 2.0.5 from Canon, I was no longer able to boot into ML, the camera was just dead. I had to pull the battery for 10 seconds to revive that thing (without ML card in it). I deleted the ML directory and autoexec.bin from the root directory, but still could not boot with the camera, so the only solution is to format the card before put it into the camera, but I have loads of photos and movies in the card which I don't want to delete for now.
Any remedy? I am not sure downflash the camera to earlier versions would help.
So prewarning: if you want to keep ML on 7D, don't flash to Canon's firmware 2.0.5.
Quote from: mucher on December 12, 2013, 05:11:17 AM
I don't know if it is appropriate to say it here, but after upgrade to 7D's latest firmware 2.0.5 from Canon, I was no longer able to boot into ML, the camera was just dead. I had to pull the battery for 10 seconds to revive that thing (without ML card in it). I deleted the ML directory and autoexec.bin from the root directory, but still could not boot with the camera, so the only solution is to format the card before put it into the camera, but I have loads of photos and movies in the card which I don't want to delete for now.
Any remedy? I am not sure downflash the camera to earlier versions would help.
So prewarning: if you want to keep ML on 7D, don't flash to Canon's firmware 2.0.5.
why did you do that?
QuoteI am not sure downflash the camera to earlier versions would help.
According to several sites announcing 2.0.5, once upgraded, downgrading is not possible.
Well, that would be a first. Canon's former statements "there is no way back" after firmware upgrade have been falsified.
EDIT: Just read in another forum that's the case here, too. Cam won't work with ML after upgrade. Downgraded and everything is working again.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: mucher on December 12, 2013, 05:11:17 AM
I don't know if it is appropriate to say it here, but after upgrade to 7D's latest firmware 2.0.5 from Canon, I was no longer able to boot into ML, the camera was just dead. I had to pull the battery for 10 seconds to revive that thing (without ML card in it). I deleted the ML directory and autoexec.bin from the root directory, but still could not boot with the camera, so the only solution is to format the card before put it into the camera, but I have loads of photos and movies in the card which I don't want to delete for now.
Any remedy? I am not sure downflash the camera to earlier versions would help.
So prewarning: if you want to keep ML on 7D, don't flash to Canon's firmware 2.0.5.
That is the normal behavior. Nothing unexpected.
Quote from: stevefal on December 12, 2013, 06:27:20 AM
According to several sites announcing 2.0.5, once upgraded, downgrading is not possible.
They stated it at every firmware upgrade, but that was not true.
Quote from: Pelican on December 12, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
They stated it at every firmware upgrade, but that was not true.
Good to know that :)
Glad to know too. That would be evil.
Quote from: mucher on December 12, 2013, 05:11:17 AM
I don't know if it is appropriate to say it here, but after upgrade to 7D's latest firmware 2.0.5 from Canon, I was no longer able to boot into ML, the camera was just dead. I had to pull the battery for 10 seconds to revive that thing (without ML card in it). I deleted the ML directory and autoexec.bin from the root directory, but still could not boot with the camera, so the only solution is to format the card before put it into the camera, but I have loads of photos and movies in the card which I don't want to delete for now.
Any remedy? I am not sure downflash the camera to earlier versions would help.
So prewarning: if you want to keep ML on 7D, don't flash to Canon's firmware 2.0.5.
Does the camera boot without the card?
If you don't want to lose the files off the card but still want to format just back them up on you computer and then put them back in after a format.
Why did you bother updating to 2.0.5? the update doesn't really add anything unless your planning on transferring files wirelessly.
I still use one percent's 9/10/13 built on my 7D. Recently, I started to shoot in photograph and noticed that my zone auto focus doesn't work at all. However it works on single-point auto focus. Is this known issue? I turned all modules off, so I can use canon functions instead magic lantern. Is there a way to get it work again without uninstall magic lantern? I considered to update my 7D to tragic lantern. After, I read the post messages randomly and felt that I am not certain to use new version.
The autofocus problem is a known issue but it's not connected to TL all the 7D ML versions can cause that.
Do you know a way to reproduce it? Opening a thread for this bug should be a good idea IMO; I don't have a clear picture of when it happens and what the symptoms are.
Unfortunately nobody could reproduce the bug and it is totally unpredictable.
The symptom is the AF goes crazy, like not focusing to the target but hunting on the whole focus range and stops at the nearest point (even if the focus hunting is off). Sometimes the change of the AF mode helps but sometimes you have to remove ML completely (and also remove battery) to get back the working AF.
That's the main reason why I'm not using ML in my photography, I lost some nice action because this bug so when I go to the field I always turn off ML.
If you start the camera by pressing SET (that is, loading ML but keeping it inactive), does it help?
(of course, if it's unpredictable, you may need a week or a month to find answer)
But if this helps, it can be solved.
Quote from: Pelican on December 12, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
They stated it at every firmware upgrade, but that was not true.
I've just downgraded my camera from 2.0.5 to 2.0.3. There is no restriction at all.
Quote from: Pelican on December 13, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
Unfortunately nobody could reproduce the bug and it is totally unpredictable.
The symptom is the AF goes crazy, like not focusing to the target but hunting on the whole focus range and stops at the nearest point (even if the focus hunting is off). Sometimes the change of the AF mode helps but sometimes you have to remove ML completely (and also remove battery) to get back the working AF.
That's the main reason why I'm not using ML in my photography, I lost some nice action because this bug so when I go to the field I always turn off ML.
I see. I decided to format on another memory card to shoot but found that I have newer version on another memory card. I tried AF out again, and it worked again. I switched back to older memory card with the problem and removed my battery. Now, AF works again on both versions. Unpredictable ;D
I'm able to reproduce the bug. Seems to be related with lens change.
7D, TL-card inserted, power on all the time:
Sigma 18-125 mounted, IS off: Shutter half pressed -> Focus ok.
Sigma removed, Canon EF 100/2.8 IS L mounted (IS off): Shutter half pressed -> Focus ok.
Canon removed, Sigma 18-125 mounted. shutter half pressed -> Focus hunt. Have to remove battery to make AF work again with this lens. Mounted 18-55 IS II works fine *without* battery removal.
Works fine without CF-card inserted.
Will test with some other lenses.
Ciao, Walter
This is fun ...
TL-card mounted and repeated the procedure with Sigma 18-125 and Canon EF 100/2.8 Macro USM and it works fine.
Couldn't believe this and retried with Sigma 18-125 and Canon EF 100/2.8 IS L and ... focus hunt again.
Ciao
Walter
TL-card mounted.
1) Old nifty 50/1,8 II mounted: AF works.
2) Canon EF 100/2.8 IS L mounted: AF works
3) 50/1.8 II mounted: Focus hunt
Tested without card: AF works.
Ciao
Walter
Last one for tonight:
TL-card mounted:
1) 18-55 IS II -> Focus ok.
2) EF 100/2.8 IS L -> Focus ok
3) 18-55 IS II -> Focus ok. ... :o
4) 10-22 -> Focus hunt. Same with other lenses, except 18-55 IS II and 100/2.8 IS L ...
EDIT: Replace 100/2.8 IS L with 18-55 IS II as 2nd lens and focus hunt will occur, too.
EDITEDIT: Blown the dust of an EF-S 55-250 IS II and now I have a third lens triggering focus hunt for lenses mounted afterwards.
Wild guess: Issue when newer Canon lenses are combined with older ones, including third party?
Ciao
Walter
you made my day!
Lenschanging causes this Error, not ML ;D, changing with camera switched off (what I never do...) does not help
when I had it the first time in 10/2012 I changed before from 70-200/2,8-IS-II to 17-55/2,8 IS
which now produces the failure again.
removing battery or reloading card helps.
and now I have a wish for Christmas 8)
Quote from: StefanKeller.AC on December 14, 2013, 09:31:48 AMLenschanging causes this Error, not ML
I think you're wrong:
- TL-card inserted -> Focus hunt with older lens after newer Canon lenses (18-55 IS II, 55-250 IS II, 100/2.8 L IS) were mounted
- TL-card inserted, SET pressed at startup -> same
- TL-card removed -> Everythings just fine, no focus hunt.
Ciao
Walter
hey that was a joke :-) 8)
without ML that never happens, but I am glad to know when it happens,
and that the developers can reproduce it now
Is the information about bug occuring with 70-200/2.8 IS L II a joke, too?
Haven't seen confirmation from devs yet.
Unfortunately I could not reproduce the bug... :(
What I tried:
- I used Britom's build 29SEP2013 (which EOScard automatically downloads*)
- lenses: 28-80L, 10-22, 100L, 300/2.8L
- AF modes: spot AF, 19 point AF
- AI servo
I can change the lens in any order but the focus is still working in both AF mode.
*: I've changed my host and they messed up my site, so it's not working right now.
Couldn't reproduce the bug in AI Servo mode, either.
Have you tried "One Shot"?
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on December 14, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
Couldn't reproduce the bug in AI Servo mode, either.
Have you tried "One Shot"?
Ciao
Walter
No. But I've never used One Shot mode on my camera (I had this bug in AI Servo).
EDIT:
Could you reproduce the bug with the 100L and the 10-22 and Britom's build 29SEP2013 in One Shot mode?
So I supposed as you said you lost some action shots.
Well, I have a reproducable bug and another one (your's) I'm quite now not able to reproduce.
Are you able to confirm the first problem?
Will try it with Britom's build asap.
Ciao, Walter
Error happens with 10-22 and 100L using Britom's 29th September build.
10-22 will not give focus confirmation in One Shot mode after dismounting 100L.
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on December 14, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
Is the information about bug occuring with 70-200/2.8 IS L II a joke, too?
no joke, and with a lot other Lenses too (Canon 50/1.4, Canon 18-135(old), Canon 10-22)
occuring today with tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Nov14.7D203 in Ai-Servo using single AF-point
and one year ago on 21.10.2012 (I guess with alpha2)
I'm not able to reproduce the bug in AI Servo regardless which AF point selection mode is used.
Quote from: StefanKeller.AC on December 14, 2013, 02:12:13 PM
no joke, and with a lot other Lenses too (Canon 50/1.4, Canon 18-135(old), Canon 10-22)
occuring today with tragiclantern-Tragic.2013Nov14.7D203 in Ai-Servo using single AF-point
and one year ago on 21.10.2012 (I guess with alpha2)
Could you describe how do you reproduce the bug?
Hi Folks,
been following this thread a Long time, all very interesting stuff and huge appreciation for all those who are putting in their time and hard work.
I finally got round to getting a 1000x card, a Transcend 64Gb UDMA7, which is not too much more expensive than a Komputerbay (here in the UK at least) and is less of a 'gamble'. It works well and can record 1080 25P continuous using both 29th Sept and 8th Dec builds (only ones I have tested so far).
I have a question-
I've been using Dec 2012 2.03 Alpha 2 for 7D up till now, and recently tried the 'movie restart' feature, which doesn't appear to work?( thread (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5900.0))
Do any of the TL builds also allow recording to H.264? without crashing, on card end? And working Movie Restart?
Thanks again for all the hard work,
neil
Ok, answered my own question re: Movie Restart.
Using Dec 8th Build recording h.264 Movie restart is working in limited testing.
Are there still issues with camera freeze/crash if recording gets to 'Card Full'??
neil
Quick question. I've just got my komputerbay 64gb 1000x. What's normally the fastest write speed you see? I'm getting approx 80mB/s trying to write 1080p25.
Quote from: baldand on December 07, 2013, 09:38:13 PM
In case anyone is interested in 7D+MLV+1x+GD on+focus peaking...
I spent a few hours today building and testing different versions of tragic-lantern-6d from the past few weeks to try and find out which change caused the performance drop in MLV with GD on and focus peaking.
It turned out to be 10350:c849adc8291b, which lowered the writer_thread task priority from 0x05 to 0x1C in order to fix the pink frame problems. However, that task priority seems to be lower than almost every other task in the system, so it also reduced the write performance in the focus peaking case.
I played around with some different values against the current hg tip. For me, 0x10 still suffered pink frames, but 0x12 or 0x15 both seemed to give no pink/corrupted frames, and enough write performance for 16:9 1728x972 1x with GD on and focus peaking.
The diff looks something like this:
--- a/modules/mlv_rec/mlv_rec.c Wed Dec 04 23:55:38 2013 -0600
+++ b/modules/mlv_rec/mlv_rec.c Sat Dec 07 22:07:24 2013 +0200
@@ -2615,7 +2615,7 @@
if(cam_5d2 || cam_50d || cam_7d)
{
- base_prio = 0x1C;
+ base_prio = 0x12; // 0x12-0x15 gives no pink frames and allows GD+focus peaking. 0x10 gives pink frames
}
task_create("writer_thread", base_prio + writer, 0x1000, raw_writer_task, (void*)writer);
(Since I don't have 5d2 or 50d, I can't test if this change is working for them. It might need a special 7d-only block.)
I missed this commit ???. Confirmed also working on 50D up to 1080p + GD on + Focus peaking
Quote from: Pelican on December 14, 2013, 04:04:14 PM
Could you describe how do you reproduce the bug?
its easy:
set single focus point (e.g. to the leftmost one)
mount Lens A
focus
change to Lens B
-> focus hunts
mount Lens A or take out battery or CF
- >focus works
which Lenses do you have?
About AF hunt bug.
Played again with AI Servo mode. Latest observations:
- Single Point or Spot AF with central AF point activated: Wasn't able to reproduce the bug
Changed to border AF point (right side): AF acts erratic. Most of the time AF will miss to focus selected area.
Not like One Shot where AF will hunt all the time in all AF point selection modes.
Ciao
Walter
PS: 10-22 is not the best choice as "Lens A" in my opinion. View finder might fool you because DOF. Well, it's an ultrawide lens ...
the central sensor always works
do not rely on viewfinder, just try to focus from near to far (or vice versa)
I tried:
a fresh ML without own settings
switch of AFMA
-> same behavior
Yesterday I tried to update the ML firmware decided to do everything with a "clean" card.
It turned out that EOScard does not work on my computer.
I tried to download the latest version of http://pel.hu/down/EOScard.exe,
but the site is unavailable. This is a problem on my side?
+
my small test version of 10.09.2013
Quote from: nerezko on December 15, 2013, 01:27:39 PMI tried to download the latest version of http://pel.hu/down/EOScard.exe,
but the site is unavailable. This is a problem on my side?
No: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg91671#msg91671
Quote from: Walter Schulz on December 15, 2013, 03:02:05 PM
No: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg91671#msg91671
Thanks!
Hi guys, how is the best cf card to record continous raw with the 7d? Appart of the komputerbay, maybe the lexar 1000x or the scandisk extreme pro 160mps?
Thanks in advance :)
I'm back with a small one...
With the VAF-7D, I filmed the Cap Griz Nez in France in 1728 x 972 pixels in RAW format. Much less moire, and the latest ML'S builds are super stable.
Quote from: ddp on December 18, 2013, 02:23:02 AM
Hi guys, how is the best cf card to record continous raw with the 7d? Appart of the komputerbay, maybe the lexar 1000x or the scandisk extreme pro 160mps?
Thanks in advance :)
I have the Lexar 1000X and work's fine 1728X972. 25Fps
Got my machine back :D and im ready for more testings!
Since the tl.bot-fly.com it's down, if some one can make a build with the latest changes i would appreciated a lot. I think some changes in the MLV module are made... I thinks the dev's need more input/testing from the new changes.
Let's go 7D fanatics...
I recently used the DSLRController android app for monitoring and remote control and realized it doesn't work with Raw module on... took out the card and it worked... is it because the LV ? does anyone get it to work with raw recording?
@flofifull awesome job!
Quote from: hdclip on December 18, 2013, 09:59:58 AM
I have the Lexar 1000X and work's fine 1728X972. 25Fps
You mean continous? and at 50p?
Quote from: ddp on December 18, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
You mean continous? and at 50p?
Yes I have continous, it goes to 2min at 1928X972 25fps without problem's..but with 50P I have around 10 15 sec at max resolution without crop...
Quote from: hdclip on December 18, 2013, 09:32:12 PM
Yes I have continous, it goes to 2min at 1928X972 25fps without problem's..but with 50P I have around 10 15 sec at max resolution without crop...
Cheers mate, many thanks! Only one thing, what build/setup are you using?
Quote from: ddp on December 19, 2013, 12:34:46 AM
Cheers mate, many thanks! Only one thing, what build/setup are you using?
2/12/2013...;)
Now I can get 2k continuous. 2048 @ 24fps 1:35
Quote from: edwmotion on December 19, 2013, 05:17:38 PM
Now I can get 2k continuous. 2048 @ 24fps 1:35
.. in zoom mode?
Quote from: vnguyen972 on December 19, 2013, 07:59:59 PM
.. in zoom mode?
Yes, with my new tokina 11-16 mm f2.8 it doesn't matter.
Quote from: arrinkiiii on December 18, 2013, 01:53:42 PM
Got my machine back :D and im ready for more testings!
Since the tl.bot-fly.com it's down, if some one can make a build with the latest changes i would appreciated a lot. I think some changes in the MLV module are made... I thinks the dev's need more input/testing from the new changes.
Let's go 7D fanatics...
I have a virtual machine up at digitalocean that gets little traffic and doesn't use much disk space... I'd be happy to let it run an automated nightly build system if someone can supply a reliable cron script or however it's done. (my guess is it's something like 1) update git, 2) build, 3) export binaries with today's date- but I just can't put the time right now to experiment and better to be sure with the community's larger experience)
You have a nightly builds system here: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/
But if you want to keep staying away from the main ML development, you are on your own.
Quote from: a1ex on December 20, 2013, 09:27:16 AM
You have a nightly builds system here: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/
But if you want to keep staying away from the main ML development, you are on your own.
Hey a1ex...I don't see the 7D in your platforms.
Since the code in the main repository got outdated, I've removed the nightly builds for these platforms. Check my signature to find out more.
Don't get me started. If you continue to stay away from the main ML development, I may get to a point where you will not see any source code from me again.
Hey Alex,
Nobody wants to stay away from the main ML development.
As I and g3gg0 said it in your commit's comments the 7D platform was not outdated at all.
I proposed that I maintain the 7D platform but you never put it back.
I have no right to put it back to the main repo and you stated you don't merge nothing but patches.
So what can we do?
People want nightly builds and if you remove them then they will find the way how can they get them back.
Don't get me wrong but you are overreacting this a little bit.
If 7D TL brings solutions I will backport it to the main ML source.
I said I will setup the nightly builds as soon as you will submit your changes. I don't see anything 7D-related here: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/pull-requests
If you think I'm overreacting, you should do some research and notice this issue is not new, it's been here for quite a few months. I'm simply not going to tolerate it any more. If no solution is found, I'll have no other choice than quitting the project; I'm sure you guys can do a lot better without me.
Quote from: Pelican on December 20, 2013, 10:56:51 AM
...
I have no right to put it back to the main repo and you stated you don't merge nothing but patches.
Doesn't putting it back just mean making a mercurial changeset that moves the 7D.203 sub dir up one level out of the "unmaintained" folder, and edits the Makefile.platform.map so that 7D.203 is not in the unmainained list? And then making a pull request for that so a1ex can merge it? Or do you see something else is needed?
Quote from: edwmotion on December 19, 2013, 05:17:38 PM
Now I can get 2k continuous. 2048 @ 24fps 1:35
How can you reccord at that resolution? Don´t need around 100Mb/s?
With the lastest build´s and Double buffer, i can reccord at 78Mb/s, wich gives me 4:3 1728x1036 continous. (75 Mb/s needed)
Single Buffer it´s a bit slower, aroung 77Mb/s
I have a Lexar 1000x, but i think it´s a bit slow.
Quote from: baldand on December 20, 2013, 12:26:13 PM
Doesn't putting it back just mean making a mercurial changeset that moves the 7D.203 sub dir up one level out of the "unmaintained" folder, and edits the Makefile.platform.map so that 7D.203 is not in the unmainained list? And then making a pull request for that so a1ex can merge it? Or do you see something else is needed?
Done.
Nightly compiled, you may try it: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/
Most recent TL versions (including Dec. 21th) won't run with my cam. Display remains black after Sensor Cleaning message. Last running version I found is Dec. 7th. Will proceed with this version.
Card benchmark with this version will not terminate properly. Stalling occurs at this point all the time.
Benchmarking with Nightly ML will do as expected.
(http://s29.postimg.org/5kdpyahlv/IMG_4167.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5kdpyahlv/)
Ciao
Walter
walter,
Your installation must have been corrupted in some way as I'm testing the nightly dec 21 and have no problems with it in boot up and raw recording.
Sorry...but with last ML is it now possible to use AF during video recording on 7d?
Thanks.
Quote from: danistuta on December 22, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
Sorry...but with last ML is it now possible to use AF during video recording on 7d?
Thanks.
There is no continuous auto-focus with these dSLR models. You still have to shoot in manual mode and that means manual focus as well.
Quote from: ted ramasola on December 22, 2013, 07:47:25 AM
as I'm testing the nightly dec 21 and have no problems with it in boot up and raw recording.
I didn't report boot problems with nightly. I have boot problems with Tragic Lantern after December, 7th.
Are you talking about builds downloaded from tl.bot-fly.com=Tragic Lantern (http://tl.bot-fly.com) or builds.magiclantern.fm/#=Nightly (http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/)?
Ciao
Walter
Rock Climbing in Ethiopia
Almost the whole project was shot using 7d and Magic Lantern RAW video ;-) Thanks.
Quote from: Rydvi on December 23, 2013, 02:16:02 AM
Rock Climbing in Ethiopia
Almost the whole project was shot using 7d and Magic Lantern RAW video ;-) Thanks.
I created an account just to tell you how amazing that video is!
Okay, I lied, I also wanted to ask which build and firmware you were running? I've got the latest alpha running great on 2.0.3 on my 7D but you're tempting me to experiment.
So at this point, which one is better using Magic Lantern? 7D or 60D?
7D uses CF cards with more data transfer speed (60mb/s) against the 60D with SD card (20Mb/s) and a bigger buffer size...
Quote from: regrexion on December 24, 2013, 12:22:15 AM
So at this point, which one is better using Magic Lantern? 7D or 60D?
7D uses CF cards with more data transfer speed (60mb/s) against the 60D with SD card (20Mb/s) and a bigger buffer size...
is that a serious question?
:o
Sorry I've wrote the question in a bad way...I know that CF with more transfer speed is better of course, but with a smaller buffer you should record less seconds. So the question is: 7D (more speed/smaller buffer) or 60D (less speed/very big buffer)?
Much better off with speed but I think the 7d has the bigger buffer
Quote from: regrexion on December 24, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
Sorry I've wrote the question in a bad way...I know that CF with more transfer speed is better of course, but with a smaller buffer you should record less seconds. So the question is: 7D (more speed/smaller buffer) or 60D (less speed/very big buffer)?
7D 80/90MB/s 380MB buffer.
Let's put it this way.
Best raw cameras...
1- 5D Mark III
2- 7D
3- 5D Mark II
4- 50D
Sorry but the 60D is not even close, you can get 1080p and 2K countinuous on the 7D.
Hi! i put the new version of magic latern in my camera but i cant find fsp overwrite now?¿ where is it??
what is the new things of this version??
thanks!!
Thanks for the reply Edwmotion...I know it was a noob question but there are so many threads on this forum that after reading 40-50 pages I had lot of chaos in my mind :D
Quote from: Rydvi on December 23, 2013, 02:16:02 AM
Rock Climbing in Ethiopia
Almost the whole project was shot using 7d and Magic Lantern RAW video ;-) Thanks.
Awesome! Any chance you can uplaod it to vimeo? Or the original? Youtube compresses WAY too much... Did you use a VAF filter??
Cheers!
Hello there & Merry Christmas everyone!
I have a short question: :o
I just tested the latest nightly (tragiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Dec25.7D203) and noticed that autoETTR automatically switches to movie mode and starts recording a movie, even if the cam is set to picture mode. With the last build i used (which was from 31.Aug i think) i could press SET to activate autoETTR, then the live view screen would turn on, autoETTR would do its thing and
then the live view screen would turn off again afterwards so that i could take a pic ;D. Is that not possible anymore :'( or am I being dumb and missing some obvious setting :-\?
thx
Hi there,
I'm using the latest TL release on the 7D and have had great results so far at 1728x972. I've heard people mention that 1080p is possible, but I can't select it from the menu. I understand you can reach 2.5k when using cropped mode, but just wanted to check if it wasn't possible to go beyond 1728x972 in normal mode.
Cheers and thanks for all the incredible work :)
Quote from: jhex6 on December 26, 2013, 08:50:32 PMjust wanted to check if it wasn't possible to go beyond 1728x972 in normal mode.
Nope. There is only one ML-cam able to run uncropped 1080p RAW video and that's 5D Mark III.
Read http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0
-> "Max resolution
1:1 Liveview
no crop"
Ciao
Walter
Quote from: Walter Schulz on December 26, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
Nope. There is only one ML-cam able to run uncropped 1080p RAW video and that's 5D Mark III.
Ta
Sorry where is fps override in the last build of 25 december?
Thanks a lot.
Hi Everyone,
Been away for a few months but I found some time and got a 1000x card finally. So, i had a few questions (tried reading the whole thread but it's a bit scattered...)
1. I got a transcend 32gb 1000x - anyone have experience with these?
2. What is the latest stable build? I'm talking continuous recording in 1x mode - minimal or no pink frames, FPS override working
3. I shot something yesterday and my last take crapped out during recording and now raw2dng won't unpack the .RAW file. Is there a way to recover any dngs from this file or is it a lost cause? I would normally let it go but i think it was a really great shot...
Thank in advance - and thanks for the work everyone has done on this project
I downloaded this one:
magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Dec22.7D203
What's differences from Tragic Lantern?!?!
1. No I use Lexar but should be good.
2. You can start here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
3. Under RAW video postprocessing you can find:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5732.0
and
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8237.0
Good luck
Quote from: danistuta on December 28, 2013, 06:31:26 PM
What's differences from Tragic Lantern?!?!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8900.0
Which one best for 7d? Which one and version do you suggest to load on 7d? Thanks.
Thanks for those links, Renato. I should have been more specific about the build question I suppose...
A better way of asking would be - what is the latest build that people have found stable in the wild? I installed back in august so i know alot of work has been done since then around FPS override, minimizing pink frame, getting continuous, etc etc etc. If I just grabbed the latest 'semi-stable' build would I be in good shape?
Also, if I were to grab the ML nightly instead of the latest TL build - what would i be missing out on, if anything? I've tried following this saga but i'm not sure what the real functional differences are since most posts only allude to the differences or talk generally about 'the dangers' of TL and the politics of development.
Thanks!
Thoma, I actually have the same 32gb Transcend card. I've been using the nightly core Magic Lantern 7D build over the last few weeks without issue.
I've been able to get continuous recording with the Transcend at full horizontal resolution, but I've actually been shooting 2.35:1. I like the look of it and saving those pixels cropped out of the 16:9 frame seems to really help push down the bitrate to something the Transcend can handle. I've tried some full 16:9 captures, but for the most part they error out pretty quickly. No such problem at 2.35:1, I was actually out at a wedding today and filled the whole 32gb card without a problem. And I believe that was on the nightly December 26th build.
thanks evilash
Oh, as a small follow-up to my experience with that Transcend 32gb 1000x - after processing the images, I found that a lot of early shots had a number of pink frames that made the shots pretty unusable. After I had been shooting continuously with the card for a while longer, it did seem to warm up and later shots had almost no corrupted frames. So I might try that "Warm Up" card option or whatever it's called. Could be what was going on here. (Also, I should note that I haven't tried any of the tricks some people have found for increased frames, like turning Global Draw off or shooting 5x magnified. I literally got the card in the mail from B&H the day of my cousin's wedding and decided to be crazy and flash it right away with the nightly build of ML. Still performed pretty well, everything stock out of the box.)
Quoteust wanted to check if it wasn't possible to go beyond 1728x972 in normal mode.
Yes it is, just change aspect ratio. The full LV is 1728x1152.
According to the GoogleDocs spreadsheet about camera capabilities, the 7D is listed as supporting ExFAT, however when I format the card as ExFAT in my computer and then insert it in the 7D I get an error that the card is not recognizable.
Can anyone confirm or deny that the 7D is capable of ExFAT formatted cards, and if yes how to properly prepare them?
Thank you!
That spreadsheet is outdated. I'm pretty sure the 7D doesn't support exfat.
What's stopping you from updating it?
It's write protected isn't it?
Yeah, looks like somebody protected it, probably due to vandalism. But the permissions say "Anyone who has the link can comment", and I'm sure somebody with write access will apply the changes you suggest.
I think that guy is afk and has been for quite some time. Could the spreadsheet be duplicated and the link replaced by the mods?
Last update was yesterday. I wouldn't call this "afk for quite some time".
Well the 7d component of the spreadsheet hasn't been updated in as long as I can remember which is just about when raw started working on the 7d.
That's your job.
Hi Thoma. I'm using a Transcend 32Gb 1000x card and I am getting continuous recording (till card fills up) at 25P (and 24P) 1728x972, 16:9.
I'm in the the UK so that's perfect for me. Card seems to max out at 73.6mb/s and 25p is 70mb/s. (I do use card warm up, otherwise first file stops). Global draw off while recording, RAW format, haven't tried much MLV yet. Just noticed the option for Double or Single buffer, has always been on Double - don't know if single will improve things?? TL build 8Dec13
It won't shoot continuous at 3:2 aspect, 1728x1152, predicts around 425+ frames at 25P.
Best aspect you will get at 29.97 is 2.20:1 on this/my card.
I haven't had much chance to process these RAW files, just tetsing card so far, so can't comment on pink frames at the moment.
see attached pictures -
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/703/w0wo.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/w0wo.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/822/1yxp.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/1yxp.jpg/)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/826/if0l.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/if0l.jpg/)
for anti aliasing/moiré which one is better the VAF filter or shooting in crop mode? thanks
Quote from: Brawl on December 31, 2013, 01:51:00 AM
for anti aliasing/moiré which one is better the VAF filter or shooting in crop mode? thanks
Uhmmm.. dependes what you want to do, each one got there limitation. With VAF you can shoot normal mode but the image get a little bit soft but i think nothing to much or that "normal" people will complain. With crop mode i think is most free of aliasing.
So...
Normal mode is better because of the form factor, in crop mode it's like filming with a zoom lens... but talking about aliasing/moiré with the most clean image i will go fro crop mode with out the VAF.
Maybe someone out there got different opinion... 8)
Looks like the Unofficial TL are back to the line.
http://tl.bot-fly.com/
You already can try the latest MLV RAW now with sound record. Don't know if it's working but let's see and report the bugs. Also the rest of the modules.
(with the latest events im a little bit lost, hope doing the correct thing for helping ML getting further and hope that the 7D getts to the main bru(a)nch)
Quote from: Brawl on December 31, 2013, 01:51:00 AM
for anti aliasing/moiré which one is better the VAF filter or shooting in crop mode? thanks
Forget that expensive and horrendous VAF filter and buy an ultra wide angle lens instead (tokina 11-16mm f2.8 ). Crop mode is the way to go, but if you want to use the whole sensor I recommend fast lenses, like the antialiasing and beautiful pentax 50mm f1.2.
testing the dec 30 TL with MLV_SND.mo, the dngs were extracted but there is NO WAV file.
in the ML menu MLV Sound is ON. and I can see the sound levels working.
Quote from: edwmotion on December 31, 2013, 07:55:46 AM
Forget that expensive and horrendous VAF filter and buy an ultra wide angle lens instead (tokina 11-16mm f2.8 ). Crop mode is the way to go, but if you want to use the whole sensor I recommend fast lenses, like the antialiasing and beautiful pentax 50mm f1.2.
I'm trying to use ML Raw for some professional work. Shooting raw, VAF filter (expensive, far from horrendous), global draw off. Hdmi monitoring is not a problem, use zebras and waveforms and everything else from the monitor. A bit of a pain on post production but fine.
My question is, how to do that with crop mode? Is it possible to frame and monitor video?
I am using TaragicLantern 7d version
tragiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Dec29.7D203 and mlv_rec /mlv_snd
from Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0 (mlv_rec.mo) thread page 1
and it works very well in normal mode but in crop mode the camera enters into some
uncontroled state and it has to be reset only by removing the battery
Quote from: dpmaia on December 31, 2013, 05:09:54 PM
I'm trying to use ML Raw for some professional work. Shooting raw, VAF filter (expensive, far from horrendous), global draw off. Hdmi monitoring is not a problem, use zebras and waveforms and everything else from the monitor. A bit of a pain on post production but fine.
My question is, how to do that with crop mode? Is it possible to frame and monitor video?
In crop mode (x5) i don't know if works with external monitor.
In normal mode use the zoom mode (x5 )and frame it, you have 2 options to frame in zoom/crop mode 5x, black & white but true framing and normal color but not real frame. Just don't know if works with external monitor.
If i film in normal mode i would use one VAF (don't have ) in crop mode don't need.
No idea if I'm posting in the right place. I find this forum and its threads terribly confusing. Regardless, here's my issue:
Installed TL Dec 28 build and shot a 2-hour time-lapse on my 7D using FPS override. I've done this before on my 60D using ML with no issues. However, on my 7D when I stopped the recording, everything seemed to freeze up. I left it for a few minutes in case something was buffering or what have you, but in the end had to pull the battery to reset the camera. End result is no video on the card (Lexar Pro 400x), meaning a loss of two hours of data. It wasn't production work so I'm not overly concerned but I'd like to know if this is a bug or if the FPS override feature just isn't up to spec yet.
Also, file manager module refuses to load and crashes TL until I reboot camera, again by pulling the battery.
Rob
Quote from: ted ramasola on December 31, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
testing the dec 30 TL with MLV_SND.mo, the dngs were extracted but there is NO WAV file.
in the ML menu MLV Sound is ON. and I can see the sound levels working.
Not yet fix the audio in MLV.
I'm working on audio right now (almost!). For the time lapse be wary of FPS override stopping, its mainly for raw crop mode. If you use it for time lapse the camera will lock up if video is stopped outside of the button and thats what looks like happened.
Quote from: 1% on January 01, 2014, 10:31:10 PM
I'm working on audio right now (almost!)
U ROCK 8)
Ok, working somewhat decently now. Found the wind filter mutes external mics so if you're having that problem on an earlier build turn it off.
1728x972 can handle audio continuously, the larger sizes don't seem to do well with it.
Quote from: 1% on January 02, 2014, 12:21:23 AM
Ok, working somewhat decently now. Found the wind filter mutes external mics so if you're having that problem on an earlier build turn it off.
1728x972 can handle audio continuously, the larger sizes don't seem to do well with it.
That is good news! In ML is always xmas :D
Loaded the dec 31 TL 7d203...tried the mlv sound on seperate wave....i get no seperate wave file. also with gd on and histogram selected the histogram does not show in lv.
Also with dec 31st TL....this appears in mlv2dng
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/johnman_01/mlv_zps37afd640.jpg) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/johnman_01/media/mlv_zps37afd640.jpg.html)
ok....loaded tragiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2014Jan02.7D203....still no seperate wav file. Same thing as above with the mlv2dng. The histogram does not work in lv and the lv screen becomes messy with readouts on top of each other when recording. Is there something really wrong with what I'm doing with the setup?
Please tell me if there is anything that shouldn't be on this card.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/johnman_01/ml_zpsa78e11c8.jpg) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/johnman_01/media/ml_zpsa78e11c8.jpg.html)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on January 01, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
Not yet fix the audio in MLV.
Quote from: 1% on January 02, 2014, 12:21:23 AM
Ok, working somewhat decently now. Found the wind filter mutes external mics so if you're having that problem on an earlier build turn it off.
1728x972 can handle audio continuously, the larger sizes don't seem to do well with it.
Hi arrinkiiii...sure I saw this. 1% said it was somewhat working so I tried the Jan 2 build. No wav file captured. Really appreciate the effort to try and get sound !!!
I have the sound tested on my 7D with the above version installed and
it is working like a dreem .
Quote from: gideonplus on January 02, 2014, 02:08:02 PM
I have the sound tested on my 7D with the above version installed and
it is working like a dreem .
Where is the wav file saved to? I have everything set up as needed but no wav file is saved to my card. Either in Normal or Seperate wave. Cheers !
All is well. Didn't realize I needed mlvBrowseSharp to extract the wave file. Happy Happy !
What histogram isn't working? I know the text has to be moved up in MLV rec when GD is on but thats about it... actually it needs the green indicator mixed in and a couple of fun things like color preview, etc.
Quote from: 1% on January 02, 2014, 05:15:48 PM
What histogram isn't working? I know the text has to be moved up in MLV rec when GD is on but thats about it... actually it needs the green indicator mixed in and a couple of fun things like color preview, etc.
All is well. Now have the histogram. Reformatted and fresh install and we're good to go. Thanks. Sound is golden ! ;D
re the sound - really nice overall but problem with headphone monitoring.
I'm using the canon cable spliced with a 3.5mm female headphone jack socket and this function is great.
The problem is that turning the camera on again with the mini - usb canon lead plugged in gives a blank screen.
The only way out is to remove the min-usb, switch headphone monitoring off then on again and replug the mini-usb - at which point it works great again.
Just a minor point.
Cheers!
I noticed there's a Canon 7D 2.05 firmware on their website, which I upgraded to -- this thread says to update to the "most recent" 2.03.
Will the Magic Lantern/Tragic Lantern work with 2.05? Anyone test and successfuL?
Thanks!
Quote from: jimmyb on January 05, 2014, 06:49:40 AM
I noticed there's a Canon 7D 2.05 firmware on their website, which I upgraded to -- this thread says to update to the "most recent" 2.03.
Will the Magic Lantern/Tragic Lantern work with 2.05? Anyone test and successfuL?
Thanks!
It's not compatible. Also ignore canon, downgrading doesn't brick your camera.
Hi,
here is a small demo how to get a risky but fun solution for filming in crop mode. I haven't scratched my sensor yet, and I hope it will not happen :) I ordered a cheap cctv lens from 3.5mm-8mm and I attached it to my *sigh* original canon body cap. It was cool to do and getting a new one is probably not so big a deal :)
here are some photo's:
5x crop mode:
(http://www.bbo-design.nl/images/ml/000017.jpg)
normal mode:
(http://www.bbo-design.nl/images/ml/000027.jpg)
my sacrificed canon cap ;)
(http://www.bbo-design.nl/images/ml/foto1.jpg)
the lens elements in a small body that go all the way into the 7d ><
(http://www.bbo-design.nl/images/ml/foto2.jpg)
There is still a part of the 5x crop not illuminated and my current ML gets stuck in 10x crop and I hope this will get fixed!
Jairobbo
Hi,
i was reading here a lot but could not find a good anser, what is the highest resolution i can record continuous raw video ?
i need 4:3 aspect ratio for using it with anamorphic, so is some kind of 1560*1156 resolution possible ?
thanks in advance!
Haha, that looks fun! With a bit more of a 'scientific' approach, this could perhaps allow for cheap modding of various amazing c-mount lenses for use with the 7D with 5x crop in ML, nice job!
Quote from: jairobbo on January 06, 2014, 12:48:40 PM
(http://www.bbo-design.nl/images/ml/000017.jpg)
heh, 2.05 is coming up, pel has most of it in his repo but It will have to be double checked/extra shit added. Not sure if anything relevant is in there even, they said it fixed 1 thing. of course might need a new installer or a downgrade/upgrade like 6D.
FYI, 5x crop and 10x crop are the same in terms of what you're capturing. 5/10x only affects the YUV. 10x right now is like hacked mode on digicV
actually on raw_rec you could shoot a full time color preview but might pink frame and lower speeds from GD and CPU load
I don't know if this is a correct thread to ask this question, but if recording raw video on 7D is possible, what about 4K 24p JPG??
I think 80mbps is enough speed for that... JPG is much better than H264... soo is it possible? :P
P.S. sorry for my English and if I asked this question in a wrong place :)
4K TROOOOOLLLLLLLLL
this question has been asked, higher res h.264, shooting jpegs at 2k/4k, and ven raw 4k. Not possibru, or the devs dont see any point in it, which is kinda true.
first off great job everyone for their hard work. i have been on here quite along time and just love the community. i have recently tried the :
Nightly Builds "Updated from 1% repository (https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/all)
http://tl.bot-fly.com"
wich does work well and produce an audio track that is fantastic to sinc up to master audio track, however when i process a MLV files in mlvBrowseSharp and set the DNG and .wav option" and get the DNGs + .wav audio file... but the RAW images are very under exposed and dark.
So i tried the command told "MLV-dump" and was able to extract the audio and DNG files (in which the dng files looked fantastic this time).
is there a setting i can turn off in mlvBrowseSharp so the raw imaes are left as is and exported from the MLV unchanged. i;m sure uts just a setting im missing thanks in advance guys.
really appreciate it. A big fan from Melbourne Australia saying a big thankyou to the whole community.
- Marty.
Hi,
I have been reading this thread for a while. I had a working version for my 7D installed, but i upgraded to 2.03 firmware at some point and I see there are some Tragic Lantern 2.03 firmwares.
I downloaded the latest files from here http://tl.bot-fly.com/ (http://tl.bot-fly.com/) and I copied them on my 7D card and then I updated the firmware. It's doing something, but at then end it's freezing on a black screen so I had to remove the battery to restore the Canon menus. Do I need something else to install these?
I read that long post about installing 7D Raw firmware and there's a bspatch.exe file which needs to be used in command window. But also a booton.bsdiff file is needed to create the firmware update. I tried to do use bspatch.exe and booton.bsdiff with the 7D203.fir file found in the latest Tragic Lantern release and I got a message that booton.bsdiff is not the right one.
I am very sure that I am doing something wrong, so please .. if there is any topic or thread that describes how to do it right, please send me a link to follow.
Thanks
Quotebut the RAW images are very under exposed and dark.
Try using the tools from g3gg0's thread on MLVBrowserSharp, I don't know if my mlv dumper is exactly right. I've always used the binaries from there with decent results.
QuoteI'm working on audio right now (almost!). For the time lapse be wary of FPS override stopping, its mainly for raw crop mode. If you use it for time lapse the camera will lock up if video is stopped outside of the button and thats what looks like happened.
Sorry, I am reposting a previous message with a quote
Hi,
I have been reading this thread for a while. I had a working version for my 7D installed, but i upgraded to 2.03 firmware at some point and I see there are some Tragic Lantern 2.03 firmwares.
I downloaded the latest files from here http://tl.bot-fly.com/ (http://tl.bot-fly.com/) and I copied them on my 7D card and then I updated the firmware. It's doing something, but at then end it's freezing on a black screen so I had to remove the battery to restore the Canon menus. Do I need something else to install these?
I read that long post about installing 7D Raw firmware and there's a
bspatch.exe file which needs to be used in command window. But also a
booton.bsdiff file is needed to create the firmware update. I tried to do use
bspatch.exe and
booton.bsdiff with the
7D203.fir file found in the latest Tragic Lantern release and I got a message that
booton.bsdiff is not the right one.
I am very sure that I am doing something wrong, so please .. if there is any topic or thread that describes how to do it right, please send me a link to follow.
Thanks
Follow http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg63694#msg63694 to the letter. If you already did: Repeat it!
Post results.
Ciao
Walter
Hi,
I'm having a bit weird problem with my raw footage. I was filming a three studio clips for a music video. Clips was more than 4gb so I joined the files together and then transformed them to dng files. After that I imported them to AE as a dng sequence, but the video plays much faster than the original song?
Quote from: bruscwillis on January 10, 2014, 05:11:23 PMI tried to do use bspatch.exe and booton.bsdiff with the 7D203.fir file found in the latest Tragic Lantern release and I got a message that booton.bsdiff is not the right one.
Use the original firmware (7d000110.fir) with bspatch.exe to create your firmware.
Quote from: teemuvillikka on January 10, 2014, 07:48:39 PM
Hi,
I'm having a bit weird problem with my raw footage. I was filming a three studio clips for a music video. Clips was more than 4gb so I joined the files together and then transformed them to dng files. After that I imported them to AE as a dng sequence, but the video plays much faster than the original song?
Did you record in Zoom mode (x5) or have the fps override? What version of ML you got?
AE defaults to 30FPS for image sequences. change it
Guys, just wanted to check in. Shooting a short next week-end on a couple of 7D's. Right now they're both loaded with 12/03/13 TL and they work great for what I need to do.
I'm a bit hesitant to switch to the latest version before the shoot, but if it's rock solid then I have a week to test it out.
Is the latest TL working well for everyone? And if yes, I'm a bit confused as to which version I should grab, the one from the nightlies in 1%'s repository, or the one from the Nightly Builds section of the forum?
Many thanks!
Quote from: 1% on January 10, 2014, 05:07:05 PM
Try using the tools from g3gg0's thread on MLVBrowserSharp, I don't know if my mlv dumper is exactly right. I've always used the binaries from there with decent results.
thanks mate i'll try that.
Hi!
I have the latest tragic latern version (from yesterday) and it works very good,
now i can record hd raw in continous with the 7d, and i can put all the global draw settings on when i shoot in 1790 and get continous recording (23,97 fps)
one thing that make me sad for the begining of the 7d raw , why crop mode? any explanation that i could understand in the forum please? (i cant find it)
the diference from 1790 to 1920 is small but with crop mode this diference make 1920 useless for me
thanks for your time-!!
The 18 MegaPixel sensor of the Canon 7D has a definition of 5 184 × 3 456 pixel.
In normal video recording, it uses only 1 pixel every 3 pixels. So 5184/3 = 1728 pixels -> Produce Moire an Aliasing
In crop mode, it uses only the center of the sensor with exacly the choosen number (ex 1920) but it include a zoom magnification. -> no(or very low) moire and aliasing
thanks!! ok this is possible but the result looks bad? moare like h264 recording or more?
no, in crop mode it is the best quality you can have but it zoom.
So you need to be farther from the subject or shoot with a wilder ange to compensate the zoom.
Thank you...so the new TL is a good version to use right? And I assume I should grab it from 1%'s Nightly and not from the general Nightly repository right?
Thanks...sorry, kinda being a bit paranoid since this entire shoot is relying on my decisions when it comes to this stuff.
http://tl.bot-fly.com/ is where it gets nightlied
Its working OK for me from what I shot. Recently the H264 and audio hooked me up in an emergency. Should be OK but please test what you're going to shoot for a decent period of time (i.e not just once).
Hello friends, I have a small problem on my 7d. Whether in the fomat RAW or MLV, I have a small purple point on all videos. This point does not appear in H264 or photos. Is there a solution?
I attached a picture.
(http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2014/01/13/140113052352551395.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=140113052352551395.jpg)
Quote from: Idir75 on January 13, 2014, 05:30:38 PM
Hello friends, I have a small problem on my 7d. Whether in the fomat RAW or MLV, I have a small purple point on all videos.
Here's a whole thread about it for you to read:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9700.0
This but me is bizarre .... I have the same dot and only one purple dot in raw or mlv video shot ... Helm me please... :)
Kiss from Paris :o
I begin to answer. The purple dots appear when I am 2:35 format. There are no purple dots when 16:9 is selected.
weird ...
Cold/Hot pixels. They are marked for ACR only and not physically removed.
First off thank you to the guys responsible for all the great developments on the 7D so far, I've been eagerly following from the start now updating with the nightlies and haven't run in to any huge noticeable problems, until now.
For some reason whenever the camera switches off I loose all my settings, iso, aperture and white balance etc, I've tried multiple cards with and without ML lantern on with no luck. This seemed to have started happening since the 08 Jan nightly build, has anyone else experienced this?
Maybe you turned "autosave" off.
Prefs -> Config files -> Config Autosave
Quote from: stanley on January 15, 2014, 03:12:10 PM
I loose all my settings, iso, aperture and white balance etc
Are you in C mode?
(these settings are not handled by ML, but by Canon firmware)
First post, hi everyone.
I was using the 1/13/14 nightly build, shooting crop mode 1920x1080 23.976 fps when the filming stopped with beeps and "Early Stop 9 This is a bug please report it" so that is what I am doing. I have filmed a little since then and it hasn't happened again yet.
Also, I can't get the ml grayscale preview to appear. I set it to that and also tried "auto" but don't see it when shooting crop video.
I feel very silly now, definitely slipped off manual in to C mode.
Thanks!
ML grayscale still working, have to add the fulltime color, the ML nightly is missing display filter code if you're using that. If someone wants to port it, its near 50D code and needs the state-object stuff for sync.
Hi,
here is a little tutorial for beginners. From installation to postprocessing and a few shots from my new short film :)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ&v=C7lxd6PRbEM&feature=c4-overview&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DC7lxd6PRbEM%26list%3DUU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ%26feature%3Dc4-overview
I found out why I didn't have ml grayscale; I had canon overlays turned on. Once I hit the info button to get rid of them, the ml preview appeared.
Hi, I searched for this issue but couldn't find it.
Is this to be expected (occasionally) when shooting crop mode?
Good frame:
(http://img.ie/images/9zvsc_thumb.jpg) (http://img.ie/9zvsc.jpg.html)
The next (bad) frame:
(http://img.ie/images/t0w8w_thumb.jpg) (http://img.ie/t0w8w.jpg.html)
Global draw or MLV writing out a meta data frame can do that. To be safer you can at least turn of GD and dialog timers while recording.
Using 1/14/14 build.
Is separate wav audio recording working with raw_rec?
No wav files are showing up for me.
no wav for raw_rec. Only with MLV_rec.
speaking of MLV_rec, does anyone a good MLV batch converter for windows?
Though your question was already answered in the other thread you posted it I'm still answering it here for those with the same inquiry.
For viewing and converting MLVs to DNG and WAV use mlvviewsharp and mlvbrowsesharp by g3ggo http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8447.0
My 7D menu says I can only record at 1728x972 when I select 1920, however I've found that when I hit the magnifier +, then then magnifier -, it'll record at 1920x1080 RAW. I was able to get 315 frames on Lexar 1000x 16GB CF. Anybody have any more info?
Thought I was alone, but then Googled it and found someone else discovered it last month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuQDZFPH_xQ
Change the aspect ratio.
The highest I see in the menu is Aspect ratio 3:2 @ 1728x1152. Skipped a frame at 239 frames.
I tried the other way again (crop mode?) on 16:9. Got 437 frames @ 1920x1080 before skipping a frame.
Why does crop mode get a higher resolution?
5x is different and less stuff runs. It could go faster or slower. The 1152 is continuous for me with buffer mode 3.
"Buffer Fill Method" In Raw video settings? Mine as set to 4 by default. Is there any write-up as to what each method does?
I got a 1/3 as many frames changing the setting from 4 to 3.
Your card could also be too slow for these resolutions. I'm using the KB 64gb
(http://www.rawchive.com/assets/machinez/TEST1.png)
(http://www.rawchive.com/assets/machinez/TEST2.png)
I was peaking out at 86.6MB/s on infinite buffer test at buffers around 30000K +/- 2000k
Thats in play mode with the LV off.
What kind of speeds do you get in raw/mlv rec?
(http://www.rawchive.com/assets/machinez/TEST3.png)
(http://www.rawchive.com/assets/machinez/TEST4.png)
Did you set your Photo stills to;
RAW-None
Jpeg-L
Having Raw stills set to anything sometimes slow down raw video datarate. At least thats what I know from previous builds. I could be wrong with current ones.
If you are talking about the Quality screen on the default Canon firmware menu, it is set to RAW and No JPG
yes on the canon menu. first tab. first item. Quality. Set it to Raw-None and JPG to anything. Then see if you still have skip frames.
Also try these settings.
buffer-2 GD-On MLVSound-yes
you should have no problems with these resolutions and aspect ratios.
1728 x 1036 5:3
1728 x 972 16:9
I tested this with Jan 10 tragic Lantern. It stops at 40gig but since you only have a 16gig card that's moot ;)
If you have a 64 gig cf card use Jan 6 or 7 tragic lantern.
Tried the 1/20 build and raw2dng is unable to read the raw? tried rawanizer and it couldn't extract DNG files as well... not sure what i did wrong...
EDIT: I figured out.. in rawanizer, if I click Add Timestamp, it can't work on the raw files ...lol ..so I removed the timestamp and it worked! sorry for the false alarm.. i don't know why raw2dng doesn't work though... oh well
Trying 1/20/14 build.
When I view (play) a raw file using file manager, and hit pause, then select exit, camera freezes and I have to turn it off.
I wonder how one uses it on set... when it comes to viewing the previous shots... I want to shoot raw on my next short film but I still can't figure out the best way to save time
You can view them in file manager if you have two modules loaded: the file manager module (file_man), and also the mlv_play (or called something like that, not at home now). Just don't pause and then exit or your camera may freeze (which would force you to turn it off to resolve).
Maybe a bug in MLV play.
Quote from: vnguyen972 on January 22, 2014, 10:44:57 PM
I wonder how one uses it on set... when it comes to viewing the previous shots... I want to shoot raw on my next short film but I still can't figure out the best way to save time
Your best bet is to do what I just did on our recent film and use MLRawViewer on a laptop. Playback is perfect and it was so easy to manage right from the CF card.
Hi guys, I just installed magic lantern raw for the first time and its working great so far, no glitches or bugs. I have a question about batteries. I'm going to order some backups and I thought I remember reading here somewhere that third party batteries don't always work with ML. Does anyone use third party batteries and if so what brands?
Thanks!
look for decoded batteries. they show a percent and can be registered. I have 2 and they are OK, about 80% of a real canon battery but much cheaper
Cool thanks. Any particular brand or is it just going to be some Chinese knock off type thing? Also, I have a question about crop mode. When I am previewing and filming in crop mode the preview makes it look very small, but when I review the footage, the actual footage is larger than what the preview was showing. Does it not show 1:1 what you are filming?
I got no name. The preview doesn't show the real area unless you use the display filter preview.
Quote from: 1% on January 24, 2014, 10:59:15 PM
I got no name. The preview doesn't show the real area unless you use the display filter preview.
What is the display filter preview? I don't see it in the menu anywhere. And speaking of liveview, I have it set to be ML grayscale, but when I hit record, it goes back to the full color liveview, which I would assume takes more processing power. Why does it do that?
Actually is there a better thread to post these random usage questions?
Thanks again btw
you're fine in this thread since its still related to the 7D raw module.
to get proper framing in crop mode set the Preview in RAW Video(MLV)>Preview>Auto (or use ML Grayscale ) Auto is ok so ML uses whats appropriate.
Note:
in crop mode, ML Grayscale or Auto gives proper framing, meaning what you see is the framing of recorded video BUT the preview on your lcd is pixelized and refresh rate is a bit slower than realtime. Actual recording is normal of course.
TIPS:
Go to PREFS tab >LiveView zoom tweaks > zoom x10 to disable
10X on the 7D sometimes causes the camera to freeze and it has no effect on crop mode recording which is 3X only using the 5X magnify.
Make sure you use FPS override to 23.976 Optimize for > Exact FPS in crop mode as canon defaults to 30FPS in crop mode even if you set canon menu to 24FPS.
The grayscale while recording or the color while recording (raw rec) takes up a bit of CPU. It requires GD to stay on.
Quote from: pstutter on January 24, 2014, 10:24:11 PM
Cool thanks. Any particular brand or is it just going to be some Chinese knock off type thing? Also, I have a question about crop mode. When I am previewing and filming in crop mode the preview makes it look very small, but when I review the footage, the actual footage is larger than what the preview was showing. Does it not show 1:1 what you are filming?
These are really good.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370646647864?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Hi, with what I extract the files produced by mlv with audio?
Quote from: Fringuello on January 25, 2014, 12:02:25 PM
Hi, with what I extract the files produced by mlv with audio?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8447.0
Quote from: jman on January 25, 2014, 12:38:30 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8447.0
Thanks for the link.
But I need a puller, not a reader.
Quote from: Fringuello on January 25, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
Thanks for the link.
But I need a puller, not a reader.
You open the mlv file in mlvsharp and then right click the file to extract audio and video to a dng
thank you, from the one to be shown with osx 10.9.1 does not work
this seems to work more
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9731.0
What do you think about it??? http://www.sycard.com/cfext165.html
Quote from: hdclip on January 25, 2014, 11:28:00 PM
What do you think about it??? http://www.sycard.com/cfext165.html
This is an offtopic and Its already discussed here. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5470.0
and here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5397.0
Quote from: ted ramasola on January 26, 2014, 12:12:16 AM
This is an offtopic and Its already discussed here. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5470.0
and here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5397.0
Ok, thankyou!!!
If you needed a batch mlv to dng program for windows, this is it! :)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10198.msg98284;topicseen#msg98284
Quote from: tonybeccar on January 27, 2014, 05:09:56 PM
If you needed a batch mlv to dng program for windows, this is it! :)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10198.msg98284;topicseen#msg98284
You´re my hero.
Hi all,
I'm trying to figure out how much full hd (1920x1080) I can record in a shot using ML. Right now I'm getting about 500 frames before it starts skipping. This seems a little low according to this post:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg79604#msg79604
However, that post is pretty old, but I can't find a more recent post of benchmarks anywhere. I'm not sure if I'm using optimized settings for maximum shot length either. I'm getting the best results using ML grayscale while recording. I tried to zoom into 10x view mode to kill the display, but when I press zoom, it doesn't do anything. (I re-enabled 10x zoom mode, so not sure why it isn't zooming) So besides these is there any other settings that would optimize the length? Like somehow totally killing the display when filming?
I should mention I'm using a transcend 1000x.
using MLV_rec or Raw_rec?
disable 10x as it has issues.
use only 5x for 3x.
I feel really hesitated to ask, but any news on porting to firmware 2.0.5?
Quote from: ted ramasola on January 29, 2014, 04:29:30 AM
using MLV_rec or Raw_rec?
disable 10x as it has issues.
use only 5x for 3x.
I'm using MLV-rec. I know 10x is buggy and stuff, but it seemed reading through the old posts, that framing up and then zooming in to 10x and thus killing liveview, was a good way to increase how long you could record for.
just disable 10x. Use TL dated jan 7th.
Buffer 1 or 2 is ok.
Don't use external hdmi as it produces occasional pink frames.
in liveview scrn layout use 4:3 auto.
in crop mode 5x magnify(3x crop) use auto preview.
1920x1080 gave me only a minute and 14 seconds(1'14")
1728 x 972 16:9 is continuos ok for both 1x and 3x mode. with MLV sound.
Using any nightly build from Jan 8 to 25 or even 27 will stop your recording at 10min or 40gig.
Jan 7 or 6 is continuous until your card is full.
Just tested latest. Jan 28 TL skips/stops recording at 10min 40gig also.
Take a look at this http://www.photographyblog.com/news/lexar_256gb_professional_1066x_cf_card/
The pre-buffering has been disabled so hopefully that fixes it.
you want me to test the module?
Yes please.
any link to it? which link should I download?
TL? Or g3gg0's thread?
edit. I got it. nightlies.
oops. nightlies does not have the 7D back yet, and the TL is still the 28th.
where can i get the mo to test?
http://ge.tt/692RE0H1/v/0?c
I compiled it above.
ok, so I'l update the CF using TL jan 28 and update just the MLV_rec.mo using that jan 29 compile you just did.
Correct? Are there any buffer preference?
Also, is this the same mlv_rec.mo you used on the nightly for 5D2 dated jan 29?
I asked because I finished testing that an it wont record past 3 seconds on all buffer settings.
I'll elaborate on the mlv v2 thread and the 5d2 thread for that.
The mlv_rec.mo you linked me to has the same behavior with the Jan 29 5d2 nightly. It can record only 1 to 3 seconds. The buffer graph fills up in that time in a linear fashion upon start of recording.
the red skip text appears and the camera freezes, reboot is necessary to regain functionality.
Tested at 1728 by 972 16:9 buffer method 0,1,2,3,4.
I think g3gg0 made a typo:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/63b6cfad34ee8b6b8566f508152e8af3f23d5520
http://ge.tt/8N4DW0H1/v/0?c
link is broken.
Excuse me for a stupid question, I'm a ML newbie
I just bought a lexar 1000x CF and would like to know which version of Nightly Build Is better and fairly stable
for RAW video? and also where can I get it because 7D is missing on Nightly Builds page.. :)
Thank you! and sorry for my terrible English.. :P
http://tl.bot-fly.com/
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.0
@valeriano89
I've been testing the modules due to a bug which g3ggo and 1% are working on to fix. The TL from 8 to 29 has this bug.
g3gg0 said his fixed it but I havent tested it yet, maybe later in the afternoon as i'm out for a shoot.
Just use the Jan 7 TL from the link arrinkiiii posted for now and you'll be ok. I'll update on the test I'll do on the bug fix later.
Do I have a blackout, or not running the Crop mode?
Have updated today and just do not get out. ;-(
Quote from: ted ramasola on January 30, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
@valeriano89
I've been testing the modules due to a bug which g3ggo and 1% are working on to fix. The TL from 8 to 29 has this bug.
g3gg0 said his fixed it but I havent tested it yet, maybe later in the afternoon as i'm out for a shoot.
Just use the Jan 7 TL from the link arrinkiiii posted for now and you'll be ok. I'll update on the test I'll do on the bug fix later.
Thank you very much! I'll try it out :)
I think it's better for me to wait for nightly builds :D Jan7 TL crashes on my 7D when loading RAW module :(
If it crashes then then sym file doesn't match with the module or autoexec.bin
@1%
Just got back from a shoot. So I can now continue testing. Please provide a link.
On the MLV2.0 thread g3gg0's wrote he fixed it today in parallel to your's I think he meant the nightly for 5D2, I'll test that as well.
Another quick newb question. If I'm switching versions of Magic Lantern to a newer version, do I have to remake or do anything special to the card or can I just delete the old files and drop the new files onto the card?
just drop it over the old.
Tested Jan 30 TL.
1728 x 972 16:9 buff-2
Capacity test OK fills up Card 64gig.
Recording now continuous and no longer stop at 40gig or 10min.
Movie restart "bug"
I notice a "quirk" I did not find in the 5dmkII.
-when movie restart is ON, in MLV recording, upon manual stop of MLV raw recording H264 starts to record.
Suggestion to have it like the 5DmkII where it does not start h264 rec upon stop of MLV record. OR to disable and grayout this feature on the 7D when MLV raw video is active.
Another side effect when restart is ON is that when mlv recording has filled up CF card, instead of a proper auto stop it crashes and freezes the camera requiring a battery pull.
Recording with HDMI monitor attached
-I noticed that there is a corrupted single frame at the start of a clip and sometimes somewhere in the mid part of clip.
-Playback of MLV video via file man is OK.
Below is sample of corrupt frame in footage, either one frame at start or somewhere mid way.
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1601045_637802719610130_791701745_n.jpg)
hi, dont knw if this is the right thread to ask this.. have been testing raw on 7d n getting continuous 1728 x 972 16:9. my question is how to upscale it to 1080p n will it look good on big screen? planning to make an indie film on it. need ur suggestions
Quote from: whitelotus2301 on January 31, 2014, 09:08:03 AM
hi, dont knw if this is the right thread to ask this.. have been testing raw on 7d n getting continuous 1728 x 972 16:9. my question is how to upscale it to 1080p n will it look good on big screen? planning to make an indie film on it. need ur suggestions
drop it on a 1080 timeline. scale to fit. some NLE's like edius and resolve do it automatically.
What is actualy the practical max GB recording using 7d ml raw with
64GB komputerbay card (is it 59GB ?)
Quote from: gideonplus on January 31, 2014, 06:02:00 PM
What is actualy the practical max GB recording using 7d ml raw with
64GB komputerbay card (is it 59GB ?)
you mean the actual record size of a clip when it fills up card? its 59.6 GB (64,000,185,604 bytes)
around 15 min at 1728x972 16:9
Yes,Thanks
I was very pleased with the results, although there are some bugs that need to be fixed. Bugs reported in my blog:
http://minhateoriadacor.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/raw-video-on-canon-7d-magic-lantern-alpha-2-beta/
Jan 31 Tragic Lantern test.
Constants: Buffer-2 / Stills Raw-none, Jpg-L /MLV Raw+SND
1. Capacity test No HDMI /GD-on = Fills up 64 gig CF/continuous ok. BUT contains pink/corrupt frames/ some totally black frames.
2. When HDMI monitor is connected = Pink/corrupted frames appear at random on each clip.
3. Movie Restart "Bug". when this is ON in MLV mode, upon stopping of raw recording H264 record starts. (suggest a fix like in 5D2 that it wont have this behavior)
4. With stills set to RAW, continuous record not possible(only 4gig at most times or 28gig depending on buffer method)
5.FPS at 1fps and 0.5 fps NOW WORKS no more repeating frozen frame.
Ok, I've done a 2k (2048x1152) test. Tragic Lantern 7th Jan, photo RAW off, small low quality JPEG (the icon with the blocky curve). 25FPS crop mode - Canon 100 Macro IS L 2.8 lens, buffer 2. MLV module with the audio switched off.
Non continuous recording (although 8-9 seconds at 25 FPS is fine for most things I do).
I'm gobsmacked. On a 7D, a 4-5 year old camera. After Effects standard VFX stabiliser (1.6% scale for the slight movement but I also scaled to 1080p for Vimeo). Recorded this on a monopod outside my studio window in Brighton. Used Adobe camera raw, tweaked the parameters quite a bit (boosted shadows etc) but as the light doesn't change no problem with flicker. Some very gentle CC using curves and a whisker of sharpen.
FEB 1 TL test.
1. Capacity test fills up 64 gig CF card continuous ok. no errors/no corrupt frame
2. HDMI monitor connected, buff-2, preview- Auto & Hacked no preview, GD-off:
= clips all have a pink/corrupt frame, almost always the 1st frame of the clip.
3. FPS override at & 1 fps and lower = fixed, no more repeating frozen frame.
4. crop mode, buff-2, preview-hacked no prev = continuous ok and no more corrupt frame.
5. movie restart bug still there. when ON it triggers h264 recording when stopping MLV raw recording.
Ok, have to fix #5.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/31d4612c52e6479d6b5d97596b50986e1f71b71b
What happens if you disable dialog timers when using HDMI?
Quote from: 1% on February 02, 2014, 06:39:14 PM
What happens if you disable dialog timers when using HDMI?
1. with hdmi monitor and dialog timers disabled I got 2 clips out of 4 that had a corrupt/pink frame but the behavior is different. previously the corrupt frame happens 99% at the start of clip at the 1st frame, now it is in the mid part of the clip.
2. With hdmi monitor I tried forced VGA ON, GD-off, and ALL CLIPS CLEAN, no corruption. (but view is lower res of course)
3. Can you do some tweaks in the LV layout? 1728x972 is the highest 16:9 res on the 7d, and with this aspect ratio the best screen layout that will show the entire frame accurately is
4:3 auto, HOWEVER when recording starts, the record info would clash with the audio meters etc.
The layout that does not have clashing displays is 16:10 hdmi t/b but the framing crops the top and bottom of whats actually recorded.
I think MLV will have to have indicators added to the top bar and/or the little camera from raw_rec. Otherwise there is too much shit on the screen and too many cameras.
So with HDMI and no dialog timers the frames are only bad in the begining?
I guess its not handling 1920x1080 YUV + recording raw very well. This part is hard to actually fix due to the processing power of the camera. What about GD off and normal sized HDMI, still corruption?
Quote from: 1% on February 02, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
So with HDMI and no dialog timers the frames are only bad in the begining?
What about GD off and normal sized HDMI, still corruption?
all the HDMI test i did, its always at GD off.
a: test with dialog timers disabled preview auto- corruption mid part of clips
b: test with dialog tmers on using hacked preview- corrupt frame at the start/1st frame of clip 99% of the time. 1 percent it appears in the mid part or not at all.
Ok, will have to merge g3gg0's latest changes and see if it helps or hurts.
@1%,
Ok thanks. also saw in changelog g3gg0 included a fix for movie restart. Will test it when you integrate it for 7D.
Feb 2 TL Test.
#1 Capacity test- vga out/hdmi monitor/GD-off = Fills up 64gig CF, continuous ok, CLEAN no problem with footage.
ISSUE : with CF card full View in File manager hangs, freezes in index 10/10 (maybe due to lack of space to generate IDX file?
#2 Movie Restart - FIXED Tested in MLV mode and in H264. Functions as advertised, less than 1 second gap between clips.
#3 Pre Allocate delay, Record start/stop time.
Feb 2 TL- 4 seconds delay.
Jan 7 TL- 22 centisecond delay (almost instant)
#4 HDMI recording at HD resolution, GD-OFF , tested with 5 clip recording.
clip 1 length 8 sec = Clean
clip 2 length 14 sec = 1st frame and at 4" corrupted.
clip 3 length 19 sec = Clean
clip 4 length 12 sec = Clean
clip 5 length 12 sec = 1st frame corrupted.
NOTE with Forced HDMI-VGA = footage is all clean no problems in footage.
The preallocate delay might be too long for some situations and uses, maybe it should have an option to use this or not.
While I appreciate you all doing daily testing on TL builds, I'd like to remind you that ML development on 7D is completely frozen.
What you are doing may be beneficial right now, but please understand that encouraging this community split will hurt the long-term ML development and possibly its very existence. Your priority should be backporting the 7D TL (also for all other cameras) back to the mainline: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.0
Thanks.
I share my first test "RAW vs H264" in Canon 7D + 35mm f2 IS USM + Compact Flash LEXAR 32GB 1000x. There are corrupt and pink frames, but the quality is good.
Hello,
I have a little problem with external monitor. Maybe already have on someone answered this question in the past, but I could not find an answer. So I'm sorry if someone has already asked.
When I connect external LCD on my 7D, internal LCD is off. What can I do?
Speaking of RAWs, I found this today: http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2013/understanding_canon_cinema_raw.shtml
Talks about the C500 RAW recording. Quite a good read. Has a comparison with several other RAW formats. (no MLRAW unfortunately)
Thanks, good reading =))
@1%
I saw a commit "GDB on by default" but didn't understand, what it is?
GDB support compiled in so people can use ADTG modules, etc. 7D its on the other proc so might be an issue. I haven't figured out how to get the registers over there or how dual_iso and all of that was found.
Hello,
I somewhat ported from raw_rec to mlv_rec the clean display showing a camera icon in green/yellow/red when recording :
https://bitbucket.org/vyskocil/clean-mlvrec-display/commits/20d535cb39056f03cddc56d3f57dee7239926f63
There is now a menu setting that let one choose between no status display at all, camera icon and time of recording and the debug display we are used to until now.
How this could be merged in TL if it is of some interest ? [EDIT: I just made a Pull Request toward TL]
I'm also interested to do some back porting to the official MagicLantern from the TL branch.
Quote from: vyskocil on February 06, 2014, 09:31:00 AM
https://bitbucket.org/vyskocil/clean-mlvrec-display/commits/20d535cb39056f03cddc56d3f57dee7239926f63
There is now a menu setting that let one choose between no status display at all, camera icon and time of recording and the debug display we are used to until now.
I'm also interested to do some back porting to the official MagicLantern from the TL branch.
2 good news, thanks =)) For sure 1% will tell u what to do for porting from TL 2 ML, thanks again.
Quote from: vyskocil on February 06, 2014, 09:31:00 AM
How this could be merged in TL if it is of some interest ? [EDIT: I just made a Pull Request toward TL]
I'm also interested to do some back porting to the official MagicLantern from the TL branch.
thanks for your effort. but please do that for
Magic Lantern, not Tragic Lantern.
TL is no longer being supported and merged back into ML.
create a fork of ML using bitbucket, add your changes there and create a pull request.
Porting back is good... 7D in main/stable should have display filters and after all these years sound. Maybe one of the better coders reviewing there can figure out how to better fps override from slave and headphone monitor as well.
Yes indeed. Good to hear that we have more one good guy on board =))
Quote from: g3gg0 on February 06, 2014, 05:11:47 PM
thanks for your effort. but please do that for Magic Lantern, not Tragic Lantern.
TL is no longer being supported and merged back into ML.
create a fork of ML using bitbucket, add your changes there and create a pull request.
I just back ported this to ML, a pull request await there !
The first thing I noticed when trying the latest ML instead of TL in my 7D is the lack of audio recording with mlv_rec, I think it'll be the next thing I'll look at.
Quote from: vyskocil on February 07, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
The first thing I noticed when trying the latest ML instead of TL in my 7D is the lack of audio recording with mlv_rec, I think it'll be the next thing I'll look at.
nice to hear that :D
merged and looks fine, thanks
Quote from: g3gg0 on February 07, 2014, 09:05:02 PM
merged and looks fine, thanks
You're welcome, thanks for the merge.
I pushed another pull request with what I think is minimal changes to make audio recording works in mlv_snd with 7D (I left out 6D, EOS M because I can't test on this plateform).
The audiometers are only working when recording for now and not when idle, I must have missed something...
You missed CONFIG_AUDIO_CONTROLS in internals.h
Quote from: 1% on February 07, 2014, 11:02:16 PM
You missed CONFIG_AUDIO_CONTROLS in internals.h
Thanks ! I updated the pull request.
I've installed ml on my t2i multiple times and had no problem. Every time I format my card, drop the ml files and go to firmware update it just locks up the cam and i have to take the battery out. Maybe it's cause im on a pc right now idk, im used to macs, but is there something wrong with my card? I've tried a few diff ones all are compact flash extreme. I've also tried erasing all camera functions a few times. Any suggestions?
Which files do you use, which installation description do you try to follow and which firmware version is running in your 7D?
"magiclantern.7D.203.Alpha2" and I followed the installation description on the first page. I have the 2.05 firmware on my 7d.
how do you expect to load it when 7D 203 is for 2.0.3 firmware thats why its called 7D 203. Your 7D has 2.0.5 so downgrade it before it will work.
If you followed the instructions then you would have gone to the install thread here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg63820#msg63820
Which CLEARLY said you must have firmware 2.0.3 on your camera.
gotcha
been shooting all day with 2.13TL...no issues at all
Yea only issue today is its freezing on enabling raw or mlv rec directly booting into movie mode. I think its memory related and also present on the nightly. I'm going to try 50D too to see if its the same story.
How can I make time lapse with my 7D ?? I Installed ML Alpha 1 but i did find out how to make a time lapse !!
Quote from: Mehdy20 on February 15, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
How can I make time lapse with my 7D ?? I Installed ML Alpha 1 but i did find out how to make a time lapse !!
use fps overwrite! Set it to 1-5 fps or so depending how long your timelapse should be...
Quote from: Mehdy20 on February 15, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
How can I make time lapse with my 7D ?? I Installed ML Alpha 1 but i did find out how to make a time lapse !!
for "traditional" timelapse, use the intervalometer under SHOOT in ML menu.
Time lapse + fps is a bit touchy still with the clean shutdown probs. Its not unexpected stop proof.
I could not believe my eyes when I could make Magic Lantern on my 7D yesterday.
And I've been looking forward so much more than I could select the resolution 2240 in the RAW module.
Will was here wish? If the resolution even in the MLV module?
greeting
With tragic lantern 2.2, crashes his car in groped to load module mlv_rec
Yes, it crashes when you start in Live View with new MagicLantern.
Make Live View from doing your setting and then back to live view.
I think how it works, but can not even try - all batteries are empty. :o
I've split the topic on Vertical banding since it is evolving into a detailed discussion by itself.
7D Vertical Banding in Low Light Footage: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10545.0
Conducted tests on Feb 16 ML nightly build.
Whats missing and which settings produced more pink/corrupt frames.
Posted here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10463.msg102344#msg102344
JUST shot this the other day with the 7d. Still haven't figured out how to get the audio working but thats ok I'll check around. LOVING the new Mosaic Engineering filter I picked up. Its a little hard to focus with sometimes, but the quality of the video is improved so much in my opinion. Near essential with RAW on the 7D.
LOVING the progress you are all making with the RAW utility on the 7D!
Feb 2014 in Goose Rocks Beach in Kennebunkport Maine at about 5:00 am or so. Shot entirely with Canon7d MLV with the Mosiac AA filter.
https://vimeo.com/davidcmiller/videos
Did you use Tragic Lantern on this video or the official ML nightly?
Further to Ted's comment above, now that the latest Magic Lantern (as opposed to TL) has the MLV sound module included, what are the experiences? Is it ready for use yet (with the standard caveats about it being a work in progress)? I'll do some testing on the weekend but if anyone has any info I'd be grateful. I'm looking forward to coming back into the ML fold, MLV audio has been the thing keeping me out.
[EDIT] Couldn't resist, took some time off work to test. ML Feb 20 build seems to work quite well. I managed 9 seconds of cropmode 1080p with MLV sound on. That's the best I've had. I'll try it with sound off later, along with more extensive testing.
Hallo, testet the 2/19 build. When recording in crop mode it doesn't go out the blank and white preview and gets a lot of corrupted pink frames. Normal raw recording is fine.
Things the mosaicVaf
Hi! I have tried to get sidecar files when shooting Silent pics, but I only get it if I shoot Noisy pics. I have tried both XMP and UFRaw, and I have tried both MLV and raw_rec...
Is that anything you 1% can look into? I'm using latest nightly build.
hmm... I can check if its supposed to work with silent pics. Haven't tried
Hi,
here is my another raw test with my 7D :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVpa3Pbl4oY&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVpa3Pbl4oY&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4bH54pCf1klJtPGHLtpubQ)
Hey y'all,
Haven't checked back in a while, now I've got a shoot coming up...
Should I use MLV or still RAW mode? (for production- not necessarily most helpful error reporting, sorry!) Assume ~2 minute takes on komputerbay 64GB card.
I assume best is to use nightly from http://tl.bot-fly.com/ ?
In general- aside from easier file wrangling, what's the difference between MLV or RAW? Last I checked MLV was much slower, but that was a while ago... is it now maybe faster?
If you need sound use the latest TL. Use buffer -1 not the default buff-4.
Didn't see this in time and just went for it... didn't need audio so I turned that off :)
Both cards at a certain point broke down and shouted at me something like "corrupt slot"... though now I see the cards are full, maybe that's what happens at the end?
One has a BACKUP.RAW
Here's a quickly processed still, just for kicks:
(http://i.imgur.com/6a2hCWul.jpg)
Quote from: 1% on February 23, 2014, 12:08:25 AM
hmm... I can check if its supposed to work with silent pics. Haven't tried
What i also see now is that sidecarfiles isn't made with noisypics ither when intervalometer is used, but only when pictures is shot manually. Pictures shot with intervalometer do not show up as set as Review time in Canonmenu, so i suppose that also will make ETTR unusable.
It got moved to the deflick module... does that work or its broken?
Ok.. I see its broken: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issue/1883/7d-review-screen-bypassed
I need 23.976 fps to get continuous recording at near hi def (1792 or something), but ml for 7D is giving me 29.97 fps with no override that I can find.
So ml for 7D doesn't have fps override right now, but tl does?
yea, and headphone. I'm going to port it back to ML but it does need code review, 50/50 shot of it being accepted.
Quote from: Frank7D on February 27, 2014, 11:22:12 PM
I need 23.976 fps to get continuous recording at near hi def (1792 or something), but ml for 7D is giving me 29.97 fps with no override that I can find.
So ml for 7D doesn't have fps override right now, but tl does?
Did you try setting your canon menu to 24fps (23.976)? :)
This is what the Nightly ML can do and cannot do for now.
In addition to some audio controls mentioned by 1%
1. FPS override not yest implemented. (crop mode recording is still limited due to this)
2. Overlay/black border bug- Sometimes it is off centered upon start up-way to correct is to cycle through magnify button and it will be corrected.
3. HDMI monitoring is now OK - no more errors and pink frames
4. HDMI overlays not yet working well so is best to turn off GD when recording.(This is the gd switch in raw video sub menu)
5. Playback of raw video when HDMI monitor is connected.- Lock up when Global Draw in overlays tab is OFF -this bug is for 7D only and not found in 5D2.- Solution I found is to have Gloabal draw in overlay tab -ON and GD-OFF in Raw Video sub menu.
6. 30P Recording is continuous at 1728 x 736 2.35:1 - Tested this with audio and is OK no sync or drift problems.
7. High Framerates recording Now Possible with no errors and corrupt frames.
For 60 FPS (set in canon menu)
2.35:1 AR
1600x486 --25"
1536x466 --1'53"
1472x448 --continuous recording
2:1 AR
1408x504 --1'31"
1344x480 --continuous recording
16:9 AR
1344x540 --1'
1280x514 --continuous recording
50FPS TL (fps override)
2.35:1 AR
1664x506 --continuous recording
16:9 AR
1408x566 --continuous recording
Yes, the Overlay/black border bug is driving me crazy =((
Quote from: dmk on February 27, 2014, 08:51:01 AM
Both cards at a certain point broke down and shouted at me something like "corrupt slot"... though now I see the cards are full, maybe that's what happens at the end?
OK that is what happened- cards ran until end, which was surprising since I thought I only recorded a couple minutes, but there's lots more footage there.... I guess "Delete Video" in raw menu doesn't actually mean Delete Video? :)
Quote from: arrinkiiii on February 27, 2014, 11:32:19 PM
Yes, the Overlay/black border bug is driving me crazy =((
when using an external monitor via hdmi, I found out that pluging in the hdmi monitor and powering it on first BEFORE the camera will give you a nice overlay with semi tranparent gui.
Audio meters and other info properly placed.
My black bars bug don't have nothing to do with HDMI, is just wend i record in 2.35:1 and then preview the files in camera and then go again in LV, the black border is out of frame. Is just assume the black border position of the preview (mlv_play).
I'm having the same issue after MLV playback. I just do a 3x crop preview and then go back by pressing menu botton and it's back to normal. Probably it will be fixed ;)
-Thanks for the tip, i try some stuff but is always there the bug, going try the way you have write. What version do you use?
Yes, hope they can fix this =))
Cycle through magnify button and the overlay will snap back in place.
Now i am using TL_Feb26. Another thing that i noticed is the MLV_Play function plays only in ml overlay. If you press info button and go to one of canons previews pressing the play button freezes the screen on play default menu. Solution is to take the battery off and avoid doing again :P
Canon infos block global draw.. must be an unhandled exception... what is worse though is adv bracketing + intervalometer is broken on 500D/50D/550D/5DII?/7D/etc... something oopsed in both trees.
oh man... I see the overlay bug.
Well on the plus side the actual recording is most stable. fuckity fuck fuck
Looks like this started on the 14th of feb... so go back to 13th for now and check.
Yes, recording looks like very stable =))
Bracketing + intervalometer are fine on 5D2/3 (tried Ax2 and 2x2, intervalometer at 20 seconds). What exactly is wrong with them?
The percentage on screen doesn't change, it keeps taking pictures. Even in bulb mode for like 30". Intervalometer + ettr was broken earlier, have to check when.
Ok, its working in the nightly but intervalometer isn't. Going to try taking out the 2 differences, UNIWB and named bracketing.
The bug is here:
void* get_lcd_422_buf()
{
//~ return yuv_422_buffers[0];
return get_yuv422buffer(0);
}
Nanomad's new buffer detection :(
Found the bug on 6D too... all cameras the buffer is stale.
The bug is fixed... both ETTR/INT + bracketing.. waiting on feedback to pull req a fix to main.
Thanks a lot 1%! ETTR/INT is working fine now. Bracketing also seems to work as it should. Great work as always :)
As my first post on the forum, I just wanted to voice my huge & sincere thanks to both the developers AND the contributors for making the past month of my life intense, exciting and at the same time a compulsive misery as I have got up to speed with ML on the 7D.... I have, what I hope, is not too obvious and off-topic a question... Is the 64GB 1000x Komputerbay CF card the only way to go for 7D RAW video?
its the cheapest way to go
TL Build 02 March: some funky pink frames going on in liveview with some combinations. Having MLV enabled, in magic lanterns overlay i did a 3x crop and then pressed two times Q to go back to regular screen. Doing it twice in a row u get a pink funky screen :P Getting out from 3x with menu button is normal. The second one but not so funky is being in 3x crop and pressing info button to scroll the other overlays. In the electronic level overlay there are some pink frames too
Same issue on Feb28 haven't noticed it until now.
Got a 7d and a lexar 1000x on the way, looks like I'm in for a fun time.
:D
Just a quick question. Where in the ML menu can I check to see which build I have ? Thank You !!
Tab "Help"
Quotesome funky pink frames going on in liveview with some combinations
Yup... esp after using display filter and making the LV single buffered. If you raise the CPU usage after that you get lots of aberrations in the YUV.
ALSO more importantly have to fix the histogram on HDMI monitors, its wrong, don't trust it yet. Unplug the monitor and see.
I'm a bit late to the party but I just got the 7D and a Lexar 1000x. Does the nightly build have all the same features as 1%'s latest tl.bot-fly.com build, and which is more stable/free of pink frames? Usually I'd take the time to read the most of the thread but I have a music video shoot in two days that I REALLY want to shoot in MLV with the 7D, so I'm kinda winging it here.
Quote from: N/A on March 05, 2014, 06:51:57 PM
I'm a bit late to the party but I just got the 7D and a Lexar 1000x. Does the nightly build have all the same features as 1%'s latest tl.bot-fly.com build, and which is more stable/free of pink frames? Usually I'd take the time to read the most of the thread but I have a music video shoot in two days that I REALLY want to shoot in MLV with the 7D, so I'm kinda winging it here.
On the previous page of this thread there is a rundown according to one tester (ted ramasola):
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.2425
having a lot of fun with ML :-X
http://youtu.be/gEwaSvLAarw
Using the TL 2/23 build
Crop mode 1795x1008
23.976fps
I shot three clips. The first and the third were flawless. The second was full of these (these are crops):
(http://i62.tinypic.com/f0c94n.jpg)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/23hlt89.jpg)
In the first one the tear goes through the whole frame.
In the second one it only affects the girl's head.
Yup! I had exactly this problem in crop mode also a couple of days ago. Its weird it only affects the head and a part of the torso while the background is intact. It alternates between frames. Ok/split/ok/split/..etc.
Problem was I can't replicate it as to what triggered it.
Got TL up and running on my new 7d. Everything is looking pretty solid so far, I'm quite pleased. Going to see if we can shoot an entire 2k music video on it.
Anyone can tell me which crop factor are we getting with the 2k crop mode?? (2.20:1)
Quote from: ted ramasola on March 06, 2014, 06:01:46 AM
Yup! I had exactly this problem in crop mode also a couple of days ago. Its weird it only affects the head and a part of the torso while the background is intact. It alternates between frames. Ok/split/ok/split/..etc.
Problem was I can't replicate it as to what triggered it.
Which build?
Mar 2 I think.
Yea, we need to find out whats up with this tearing. Is it only happening in crop mode?
How many frames did it affect? Was it possible to patch by doubling the alternating good frames?
The latest builds work solid for me (Thanks),
but I found a BAD\HOT pixel showing ONLY in crop(x3) mode (using MLV).
I can see it in resolve (DNG by MLVViewSharp) or in MlRawViewer
1. Why only in crop mode ?
2. What is the current solution for the above in order to export to resolve 10
Quote from: gideonplus on March 07, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
but I found a BAD\HOT pixel showing ONLY in crop(x3) mode (using MLV).
Wait, there's a 3x crop mode?
3x or 5x i think is the same. zoom button on camera.
Quote from: feureau on March 07, 2014, 02:18:06 PM
Wait, there's a 3x crop mode?
3X (or 3.3x in some resolution settings) crop mode is accessible using 5X magnification.
Only in crop mode because it gets skipped in 1x.
Quote from: 1% on March 07, 2014, 02:32:48 AM
Yea, we need to find out whats up with this tearing. Is it only happening in crop mode?
How many frames did it affect? Was it possible to patch by doubling the alternating good frames?
Crop mode: I was only shooting in crop mode that day. I will try to do some testing.
How many frames: Hard to do an exact count, but substantial, I suspect it is 50%, though not always visible (see symptoms listed below).
Patching: If you fixed it by substitution it would get very jerky, since there were so many.
One thing I notice is that the part of the frame that is torn is leading; in other words it is identical to that portion of the frame in the follwing frame. The tearing is only visible when there is motion, i.e. panning (as in the first sample above) or motion by the subject (girl's head in second sample above). This is why only the girl's head is affected and not the background; really the background is too, but you can't see it because the background is not moving.
So to sum up actual symptoms:
1: Frames alternate between good and bad.
2: Each bad frame contains part of the following (good) frame. These portions seem to consist of a horizontal strip (or strips; in one frame I saw two of them) running across the width of the frame. The strip can vary in height and location.
Hi folks!
Could someone tell me, which is the latest reliable built for continuous raw recording? (I don't need sound or crop mode)
I was supposed to get my Blackmagic 4k before a video gig on monday but it didn't deliver in time (surprise) so I'll have to do the gig with my 7D. I used the TL raw on september with good success but haven't really followed the thread since that. I'd appreciate it a lot if someone who has been following this thread and trying the latest builds could inform me Thanks a lot!
The nightly ML is safe to use if you are only using 1X mode, since it still doesn't have fps override needed in crop mode. If you need crop mode then use TL. I've only tested Mar 2 for TL and Feb 24 Nightly ML.
Ok, thanks for the quick answer. I'll test the latest ML Nightly. Would you suggest using MLV or RAW rec? As I said, I'll record audio separately.
Just use MLV, on the 7D you can't go higher than 1728 anyway. If its a 5D2, using raw_rec can give you a bit longer recording time on a higher res.
Even if you're using separate sound recorder, the scratch track from MLV could come in handy.
edit:
Let me just add quickly that IF YOU had good experience using raw_rec and is comfortable using it, then just use what you are comfortable with.
Ok, good to know. I used raw rec last time, maybe I'll stick to that. Thanks again :)
Couple quick questions in preparation for a concert gig (tried searching but I couldn't find specific answers.):
1. Which 7D build is best to record sound with raw? Am I correct to assume the current ML build doesn't?
2. Can sound only be recorded with the MLV format?
3. Is it only usable as scratch audio?
4. I've used the raw_rec function in the past, as I'm on a mac and the mlv process on a mac was too complicated for my taste at the time. Have there been any updates to the mac MLV workflow?
Still searching, but thanks for the help ahead of time.
Quote from: crwn_schlr on March 07, 2014, 07:17:36 PM
Couple quick questions in preparation for a concert gig (tried searching but I couldn't find specific answers.):
1. Which 7D build is best to record sound with raw? Am I correct to assume the current ML build doesn't?
2. Can sound only be recorded with the MLV format?
3. Is it only usable as scratch audio?
4. I've used the raw_rec function in the past, as I'm on a mac and the mlv process on a mac was too complicated for my taste at the time. Have there been any updates to the mac MLV workflow?
Still searching, but thanks for the help ahead of time.
1. The mar 2 nightly already has the MLV snd module and even the earlier ones. TL has fps over ride in case you'll use crop mode. If not ML nightly is safe to use in 1X.
2. yes
3. I've tested it to be good when used with an external preamp/mixer and external mic. It can do 48khz as well as 44, 22, 11 and 8khz.
4. I'm using PC and the workflow is stable and reliable so far.
I did some more testing on the torn frame issue.
It appears to be related to the preview; specifically the ml grayscale preview used in crop mode.
Canon 7D
2/23 TL build
RAW video (MLV)
crop mode
1792x1008
23.976 fps
Global Draw: ON
Preview: Auto
Overlay/Global Draw/LiveView
MLV Sound / separate WAV
I shot the back of a rocking chair, with the vertical struts filling the frame from top to bottom, and panned constantly back and forth to reveal the issue if it was present.
Test 1:
Alternated between using ml preview and Canon (hit "INFO." button to toggle between the two).
Shot 12 clips, 6 with Canon preview and 6 with ml preview.
Clips averaged 33 sec (794 frames) long, ranging from 450 to 1065 frames.
The 6 Canon preview clips were fine.
5 of the 6 ml preview clips had the torn frame issue.
Test 2:
Shot 15 clips with ml preview.
Clips averaged 12 sec (294 frames) long, ranging from 256 to 342 frames.
13 of the 15 ml preview clips had the torn frame issue.
Test 3:
Shot 11 clips with Canon preview (switched from Preview: Auto to Preview: Canon).
Clips averaged 15 sec (356 frames) long, ranging from 304 to 430 frames.
All 11 clips were ok.
Overall stats:
17/17 Canon preview clips were ok.
18/21 ml preview clips had the issue.
Notes:
1. When the clip is bad, it is usually bad all the way through, with alternating good and bad frames. Maybe 3 or 4 times, it was only bad for part of the clip.
2. In all but one of the bad clips, the tear was near the top of the frame, so if there was no motion there (static background) it wouldn't be noticed.
Let me know if you need more info/testing.
So global draw + single buffered LV (ML preview) = torn frames?
Quote from: 1% on March 07, 2014, 09:45:41 PM
So global draw + single buffered LV (ML preview) = torn frames?
Is "single buffered LV (ML preview)" the same as the "ML Grayscale" preview for crop mode? If so, then yes.
Yea, it makes the YUV display single buffered. Does it still cut if you turn off the preview while recording?
Quote from: 1% on March 07, 2014, 11:01:43 PM
Yea, it makes the YUV display single buffered. Does it still cut if you turn off the preview while recording?
Turn it off in the middle of a recording you mean?
Kind of... I mean if you GD off while recording is it still an issue?
Or does using it before recording already cause the problem. This seems like the case with HDMI. If I use the preview and don't open/close the LV I get the pink frames in the YUV.
OK, did another test:
6 clips using same settings as above.
For each one, I started with ml grayscale preview and started recording and about 11 seconds later disabled the preview by pushing the "INFO." button.
In all cases, the frame tearing was there until I disabled the preview after which point the video looked fine.
Based on this, the preview only causes the issue while it is engaged, so using it for framing before recording should not cause the problem.
Good to know it works this way at least. The LV stays single buffered until its reset so that part isn't causing it, just the high load it seems. Do you have more problems when the color preview is enabled... Its even more taxing than the B/W
Quote from: 1% on March 07, 2014, 11:35:06 PM
Good to know it works this way at least. The LV stays single buffered until its reset so that part isn't causing it, just the high load it seems. Do you have more problems when the color preview is enabled... Its even more taxing than the B/W
You mean the canon preview that isn't framed right in crop mode? That one hasn't caused me any problems.
No I mean full time color preview from the mlv_rec menus. The canon preview is YUV.
Quote from: 1% on March 08, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
No I mean full time color preview from the mlv_rec menus. The canon preview is YUV.
OK, I'll try to check that.
In the meantime, I tried a tighter crop (640x360) and saw no tearing with 6 clips using ml grayscale preview.
Where do I find "full time color preview"? Don't see it under Movie / RAW Video (MLV) / Preview.
its in the MLV advanced.. in vanilla ML it comes up when you hold half shutter during the grayscale preview
I did 5 clips with the full time color preview (holding shutter halfway).
4 out of 5 had torn frames; they looked no better or worse than the ones I got using grayscale.
So I assume its back to the same deal with high CPU load making the cuts happen. At least they're not pink frames now.
Must be missing something in my install of the latest stuff.
I am getting an OldAPI error on all of the MLV modules (v5, expecting v4). Followed the stickies to create it, was able to use the RAW recorder, but the MLV wont work. Any updated procedures for installing it?
it should come with the zip, i've been replacing it every time and it has run.
Quote from: ted ramasola on March 07, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
1. The mar 2 nightly already has the MLV snd module and even the earlier ones. TL has fps over ride in case you'll use crop mode. If not ML nightly is safe to use in 1X.
2. yes
3. I've tested it to be good when used with an external preamp/mixer and external mic. It can do 48khz as well as 44, 22, 11 and 8khz.
4. I'm using PC and the workflow is stable and reliable so far.
Thanks Ted, got everything worked out.
whipped this up real quick for a vimeo challenge:
https://vimeo.com/88829386
komputerbay 1000x 32g, March 6th TL build.
Recorded in 2.35:1 (stretched 1.6 then cropped back to 2.35) max live view width, 48 fps, 1/96th shutter, iso 200, canon 50 1.4, variable ND.
Davinci > Filmconvert (IL FN FP) > Premiere/AE
sound was recorded on a tascam dr-05 with the new little rode go mic.
Only issue to report is mlv sound didn't terminate recording properly once. Pretty sure it happened when i was in 720/60f in canon menus and at max live res/48f in ML menus and then recorded a crop with MLV sound on. Probably more of a forced error than anything, wasn't detrimental to the shoot at all.
thanks again.
Has any installation procedures changed since this sticky? : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
I have tried following that 100% but the Alpha 2 packaged in eoscard does not include the MLV recorder module when I write everything to the card. I have also done the full procedure in the sticky and JUST overwritten the modules folder for the March11 tragic lantern. Also, have just flat out dragged the entire March11th commit onto a minty fresh CF and I get the same old API error. Must be missing something.
if you have successfully installed ML following the installation instruction and you can confirm it running on your 7D, the next step is to follow the nightly updates and monitor this thread for any major changes.
The nightlies has the MLV modules you need.
Don't use raw_rec and MLV_rec together, choose one to load.
There is no new "official stable" release just nightlies which "may or may not work" depending on the fixes being done. If you find a nightly that does not work, contribute by reporting its bugs. You can step back to a version that works.
Nightlies from here.: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/
Was able to get the mlv_rec module to work with the link you posted, however I could not find the options of crop mode, fps override and the like. Will keep digging.
Crop mode becomes available when you press the zoom button to x5. I don't know if it's been fixed but I switch off x10 zoom in the ML settings as it used to freeze.
So, press the zoom button once, for x5.
(While still zoomed) open the ML menus and go to the video menu where you will see new options for frame size under RAW (if switched on) under the 'Q' button.
Also enable FPS override here, it should be in the video menu.
I also switch the number of buffers to 1, based on advice here. It gives a whisker more performance, which you'll probably need for the higher non standard frame sizes. I've managed 2048x1152 at 25 FPS using MLV rec with audio off (from the audio menu), although I had buffers at 2 at the time. I also switch the photo size to JPEG only, small size (RAW off).
you can record over the frozen 10x and its faster if you aren't previewing anything while recording. The grayscale/color works over the frozen YUV.
I am a new participant in ML RAW video. Here are my experiences. With ML nightly build Feb 26th, I turned on the mlv_rec module and set the resolution to 1728x972 (max it would go) at 16:9. I wanted to see how much I could go with a Sandisk 16GB 60MB/s card. Managed to go as far as 338 frames, no pink frames or corruption. Not bad... if I change the aspect ratio to 2.35:1 I get continuous recording, or if I lower the resolution to 1344x756.
However, going into 720p 60fps in movie mode I get a ton of pink frames. Haven't tried TL yet or raw_rec.
Which converter is everyone using to convert the .MLVs? Would be fantastic if there were a converter that I could rip out xdcam proxies and dng masters in one fell swoop. MLV converter 1.8.2 routinely fails on me and will only export audio after I pointed it to all the corresponding applications as prompted on initial startup.
I am also not finding FPS override in the Raw video submenu after zoomed in. Have tried with main menu settings of 1080/30 and 1080/24 and no go on either. Old version on my end or missing something?
I used MLV Converter 1.8.2. It seemed to work well, but I am on a mac platform and have to use bootcamp to convert the mlv files in Windows 7. Couldn't get any of the Mac workflows to work as of yet.
Quote from: LiberationFrequency on March 12, 2014, 10:39:11 PM
I am also not finding FPS override in the Raw video submenu after zoomed in. Have tried with main menu settings of 1080/30 and 1080/24 and no go on either. Old version on my end or missing something?
Last I checked (been a few weeks), the ml nightly did not have frame override in crop mode. Tragic Lantern nightly does though.
Quote from: Flyingsheep on March 12, 2014, 11:47:57 PM
but I am on a mac platform and have to use bootcamp to convert the mlv files in Windows 7.
You anyway need to prepare extracted dngs files for further processing, right?
I use console app mlv_dump then adobe photoshop (camera raw) for color correction and white balance etc and then export all dngs to tiffs. After this you can use tiffs in Apple Motion. It automatically stacks all tiffs in one solid movie and for example you can export timeline to proress4444 with attached wav of course. But maybe windows workflow is better, don't know ;)
Hello everyone, I have a problem with my 7D when shooting in RAW with latest build (but same with the old builds) I have sudden changes of brightness. What could it be?
Haven't gotten a single corrupted frame since I got my 7d, this is with TL March 5th build iirc. I haven't really pushed all the features though, but everything looks to be extremely stable. Slo mo at 60p even works well, an easy way to scale 720p footage back to normal is to open in AE, process through ACR like normal, and set your composition to 1920x1080 (if you shot your 60p in 16x9 aspect), or 1280x720 if you want to downscale. Right click your footage, transform, fit to comp. Profit.
Actually, after further evaluation, the aspect ratios in 720p mode are way off, and as someone else mentioned, the vertical rez needs to be multiplied by 1.66, and not 1.40, as the MLV module states. Therefore, if you're recording 1728x972 on 24p and want to shoot a slo mo scene to match the resolution, you'd have to shoot it at 2.20:1, or 1728x560.
BUT WAIT A MINUTE. 560x1.66=929.6. Hmmmmm. There really isn't a correct aspect to properly match footage. So if the entire 60p MLV module is set to a multiplier of 1.40 instead of 1.66, then is the entire set of aspect ratios wrong?
Quote from: DenJS on March 13, 2014, 10:54:11 AM
You anyway need to prepare extracted dngs files for further processing, right?
I use console app mlv_dump then adobe photoshop (camera raw) for color correction and white balance etc and then export all dngs to tiffs. After this you can use tiffs in Apple Motion. It automatically stacks all tiffs in one solid movie and for example you can export timeline to proress4444 with attached wav of course. But maybe windows workflow is better, don't know ;)
I don't process the dng files in my workflow. I just open them in After Effects CS6 in Mac, do the adobe camera raw adjustments, and then export as ProRes 4444.
Quote from: N/A on March 13, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
Haven't gotten a single corrupted frame since I got my 7d, this is with TL March 5th build iirc. I haven't really pushed all the features though, but everything looks to be extremely stable. Slo mo at 60p even works well, an easy way to scale 720p footage back to normal is to open in AE, process through ACR like normal, and set your composition to 1920x1080 (if you shot your 60p in 16x9 aspect), or 1280x720 if you want to downscale. Right click your footage, transform, fit to comp. Profit.
Out of curiousity, what CF card are you using? I'll try that build.
When I put the TL autoexec.bin in place of the ML one and start the 7D, I get these errors after booting it up:
Scanning modules...
Load modules...
[i] load: MLV_PLAY.MO
[i] load: MLV_REC.MO
[i] load: RAW_REC.MO
Linking...
tcc: error: undefinded symbol 'strcpy'
tcc: error: undefinded symbol 'strlen'
[E] failed to link modules
Is there something I'm missing?
QuoteOut of curiousity, what CF card are you using? I'll try that build
.
Lexar 1000x 64gb. Highest write speed I've gotten in benchmarks is 89.3 MB/s. I'm guessing this is the 7d's limit
Quote from: Flyingsheep on March 14, 2014, 08:15:43 AM
When I put the TL autoexec.bin in place of the ML one and start the 7D, I get these errors after booting it up:
Scanning modules...
Load modules...
[i] load: MLV_PLAY.MO
[i] load: MLV_REC.MO
[i] load: RAW_REC.MO
Linking...
tcc: error: undefinded symbol 'strcpy'
tcc: error: undefinded symbol 'strlen'
[E] failed to link modules
Is there something I'm missing?
what about the ML folder from TL nightlies? did you include that in updating the files in your CF?
Hey one 'old' question... are the KB 128gb 1000x still giving performance problems or the batches are coming ok now? Are 64gb still better? I may be purchasing cards soon so I'd like to know what to do. Thanks!
I like the 64gigs simply because you will lose less data if they die.
As for the aspect its probably only right on digic V for the squished modes. I had to change it for 600D, I bet its different for 7D too. I think its 2/3 on non full frames.
Quote from: 1% on March 14, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
I like the 64gigs simply because you will lose less data if they die.
Wow... what an answer! Anyway how often did that happen? I read a couple of cases long ago.. with faulty ML builds of that day...
Tony,
go for the 64gig 1000x. They are faster than the 128gig 1050X.
The 128 1050x could be useful when just using 1x mode and getting longer record times at 1729x972 but not so when going for the higher resolutions in crop mode and higher framerates at 50 and 60p.
A1ex fixed the misaligned overlays bug!
Quote from: ted ramasola on March 15, 2014, 12:32:02 AM
Tony,
go for the 64gig 1000x. They are faster than the 128gig 1050X.
The 128 1050x could be useful when just using 1x mode and getting longer record times at 1729x972 but not so when going for the higher resolutions in crop mode and higher framerates at 50 and 60p.
Nice, thanks for the info! :)
Hey I know it's a super duplicated old question... but dual iso video on the 7D is impossible? Why photo and not video?
Quote from: 1% on March 15, 2014, 01:24:12 AM
A1ex fixed the misaligned overlays bug!
This is about the bug wend you record and preview in camera and back to Lv ?
QuoteWhy photo and not video
Just like 50D, the changes work for photo mode but in video mode it does nothing. And on top of that 7D needs to have regs changed on the master proc so it would work as well as digital iso and image effects, flickery.
...god damn it the dual proc!!!
well it doesn't work on 50D or 5DII either so this generation of camera doesn't support it.
yes, in that. In general im more then happy =))
In your opinion best shooting in .raw or .mlv? Which module do you suggest to use?
MLV i prefer, more info (metadata).
speed gains in Mar 13 but slightly lower max resolution.
CROP MODES
From 2512 , now its 2496 horizontal max.
2496x1200 - 23.976fps- 6" / 16fps- continuous
2496x1134 - 23.976fps- 8" / 17fps- continuous
2496x1062 - 23.976fps- 9" / 18fps- continuous
2048x1152 - 23.976fps-18" / 19fps- continuous
2048x1024 - 23.976fps-52" / 22fps- continuous
2048x930 - 23.976fps- continuous
1920x1080 - 23.976fps- 37"/ 23fps- continuous
1920x960 - 23.976fps- continuous
Higher Framerates 1X mode 48fps / 50fps / 60P
1728x694- 10" / 9" / 5"
1728x560- 1'30" / 57" / 13"
1728x516- continuous / 1'12" / 13"
1664x540- 2'10" / 56" / 13"
1664x506- continuous/continuous/17"
1600x520- continuous/continuous/18"
1536x548- continuous/continuous/17"
1472x568- continuous/continuous/20"
1344x540- continuous/continuous/1'
1280x514- continuous/continuous/continuous
Where is a working link for last TRAGICLANTERN donwload?
Thanks.
What's wrong with ML? http://builds.magiclantern.fm/
I think the big difference is th ML don't have fps override, for 5x you need that. And TL work good in 60fps with no frame corrupted. I don't have try out the lasts builds.
Reminder.
Quote from: a1ex on February 04, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
What you are doing may be beneficial right now, but please understand that encouraging this community split will hurt the long-term ML development and possibly its very existence. Your priority should be backporting the 7D TL (also for all other cameras) back to the mainline: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.0
Thanks.
Its what i thought, but some times i can understand what is going on.
What can we do for porting this from TL to ML ? Special the fps override and good frames from 60fps like in TL.
PS. Is no one with mathematical skills that want to help the dev's to solve some models the banding/noise (FPN) ?
Dissect the code, find the relevant differences, try them, discuss them, see what's missing...
Will do that, at least "find the relevant differences, try them, discuss them, see what's missing..." Dissect the code i wish but dunno how.
I must say this, I saw bitbucket and you (a1ex) are the true machine, thank you for all the efforts.
Quote from: ted ramasola on March 15, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
speed gains in Mar 13 but slightly lower max resolution.
CROP MODES
From 2512 , now its 2496 horizontal max.
2496x1200 - 23.976fps- 6" / 16fps- continuous
2496x1134 - 23.976fps- 8" / 17fps- continuous
2496x1062 - 23.976fps- 9" / 18fps- continuous
2048x1152 - 23.976fps-18" / 19fps- continuous
2048x1024 - 23.976fps-52" / 22fps- continuous
2048x930 - 23.976fps- continuous
1920x1080 - 23.976fps- 37"/ 23fps- continuous
1920x960 - 23.976fps- continuous
Higher Framerates 1X mode 48fps / 50fps / 60P
1728x694- 10" / 9" / 5"
1728x560- 1'30" / 57" / 13"
1728x516- continuous / 1'12" / 13"
1664x540- 2'10" / 56" / 13"
1664x506- continuous/continuous/17"
1600x520- continuous/continuous/18"
1536x548- continuous/continuous/17"
1472x568- continuous/continuous/20"
1344x540- continuous/continuous/1'
1280x514- continuous/continuous/continuous
Nice to read this.. which aspect ratio is the 48fps continuous? 1728x516? Hence, which is the de-squeeze factor on 7D also?
What needs to be done to get fps override in 3x mode into ml nightlies? Being as I have no experience with ml coding, is there anything I can do?
Quote from: Frank7D on March 15, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
What needs to be done to get fps override in 3x mode into ml nightlies? Being as I have no experience with ml coding, is there anything I can do?
Quote from: a1ex on March 15, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Dissect the code, find the relevant differences, try them, discuss them, see what's missing...
or any mathematical skills?
Hello All,
I just updated to the March 2nd TL build. Can someone tell me how to turn on the graph that shows how full the memory buffer is? I like using that to see about how much time I have left for my shot.
Also, I'm using another new Transcend 1000x card and I'm still only getting around 10 seconds of 1920x1080. What can I do to make this a little longer?
I'm using buffer fill 1 and the slowed grayscale ML preview/liveview (Still not sure what the difference is). Is there a way to turn off the liveview while shooting if I don't need it?
Thanks
I got tragic lantern working. Forgot to copy the ML folder over. It bricked my 7D for a minute and now it turns on fine. Haven't had any issues since. Now 60P mode works perfectly without any corrupted frames. I'm shooting a wedding tomorrow and going to shoot some sequences in raw, but not all. Here are some frame grabs I got at 1280x514. Stopped recording after 10 seconds. Long enough for me with a 60MB/sec card.
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f9a7c281529f335ce7c4551a22486d74/tumblr_n2ihpgrTb41qbbks7o1_500.png)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/2c7de3d74f66d0caf11764ff95c4cf98/tumblr_n2ihpgrTb41qbbks7o2_500.png)
Again this is with TL march 5th build.
Just in case anyone wants to test the latest nightly from ML that is compatible with canon firmware 2.0.3.
A1ex is advising NOT to use the .fir file for the moment til he finishes double checking it.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.msg106930#msg106930
edit: A1ex fixed .fir now.
This doesn't mean you won't be able to test this build. Just keep your fingers off the firmware update menu item.
If you have a camera with bootflag set you're fine: Go on testing all other options and features.
EDIT: All clear! a1ex solved this one fast: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.msg106970#msg106970
New build (2014-03-17 10:25:08) is available.
Ciao
Walter
Another frame grab using the March 5th build. I think I'm going to stick with this one for a while. Sunset shots in RAW are ridiculous. It's too bad I have to stretch it from 1280x514 though. A little noticeable with the high noise in ISO 1250.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/4f9d5a490eba717e72958a1795d47e21/tumblr_n2ls87uM1S1qbbks7o1_500.jpg)
Nice grabs. You may want to share your photos here. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=20.0
I'd rather we reserve this thread for reporting problems and solutions.
You should also consider getting a faster card to fully utilize the potential of the 7D.
Quote from: sml1187 on March 13, 2014, 12:24:48 PM
Hello everyone, I have a problem with my 7D when shooting in RAW with latest build (but same with the old builds) I have sudden changes of brightness. What could it be?
any suggestions?
We can't guess what your doing unless you provide what your settings are. What lens your using. What your post process is etc.
Quote from: Flyingsheep on March 18, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
Another frame grab using the March 5th build. I think I'm going to stick with this one for a while. Sunset shots in RAW are ridiculous. It's too bad I have to stretch it from 1280x514 though. A little noticeable with the high noise in ISO 1250.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/4f9d5a490eba717e72958a1795d47e21/tumblr_n2ls87uM1S1qbbks7o1_500.jpg)
What is ridiculous for sunset in raw?
Quote from: bruscwillis on March 18, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
What is ridiculous for sunset in raw?
Its a hyperbolic/metaphor for awesome. ;)
Quote from: ted ramasola on March 18, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
We can't guess what your doing unless you provide what your settings are. What lens your using. What your post process is etc.
Sorry..I encountered this problem with all versions of TL and ML..shooting raw at any size..the lens is a Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS - EF-S.For post process i use RAWanizer and Resolve/AE,with same results..a bad light flickering.Also i notice a sort of autogain in some light condition.
I just tried the magiclantern builds from Mar 5 and Mar 6, as well as the latest nightly build. All 3 had errors and stopped recording RAW. All had a dropped frame and autostopped. I'm recording as high a frame size as the firmware will let me. With focus peaking and zebras on. No meters save for the spot meter. With Digic Peaking on Slightly Sharper.
I'm shooting onto a 1000X 16GB Lexar card.
I'm not sure if simply replacing the files from the new builds on my CF card is enough - but that's all I did to upgrade.
I'm reverting back to my TL build.
Does ML save any log files I can supply to somebody? I don't know how else to be useful to this testing process.
Tks,
Val
Quote from: idealsceneprod on March 19, 2014, 07:12:20 PM
I just tried the magiclantern builds from Mar 5 and Mar 6, as well as the latest nightly build. All 3 had errors and stopped recording RAW. All had a dropped frame and autostopped.
Dropping frames is not an error; that just means you are filming too high a data rate for continuous recording. Also, stopping when there is a dropped frame is not an error; that is a setting that you can change (Don't have my camera right now or I'd tell you exactly where that is).
I see. Well, with the TL firmware I was able to record for longer periods without any dropped frames. On the ML firmware it went for 10-13 seconds and then stopped.
I do want it to stop if there's a dropped frame, that's fine with me.
I'm also waiting to buy a KomputerBay 128GB 1050X card, and see if that makes a difference.
ML does tell me I should be able to record continuously at 17xx by whatever is the maximum it'll let me do on the 7D.
EDIT: I'm an idiot... I forgot that I can only shoot 1600x900 continuously even on TL!! I did have some interface issues with the latest ML build though. I'll keep testing it and seeing what I get out of it. The TL does seem to boot faster than the ML, and because I use manual Nikon lenses, it normally asks me to press the start button to verify I have a lens - the latest build of ML does this automatically like the TL, but just a little slower.
Tks,
Val
a komputerbay 64gig1000x is faster than a 128gig 1050X.
Thanks! How does 128 GB 1000x?
Quote from: Walter Schulz on March 19, 2014, 09:43:36 PM
Thanks! How does 128 GB 1000x?
Komputerbay 64GB and 32GB are still the fastest. The 128GB 1050X is about 5MB/s slower and the 128GB 1000X is about 9MB/s slower than the 64GB 1000X.
Maybe that's why they get progressively cheaper as the GB increase!
32 and 64GB cards it is!!
Thanks for the heads up
V
Hello! Was testing today the 7D with the latest March 16th version:
Won't talk about speeds cause they seems awesome, got a 60mbps card and can get continuous full res at 2.35:1, so awesome.
A few bugs:
- The white framing guide shifts down when exiting Play mode. I have to restart the camera to fix it.
- The clip won't be deleted sometimes, it says failed to delete. Restarted the camera and worked.
- If I do slow motion, the canon framing is not correct. It should be narrower vertically. (btw, 1.40x IS the correct stretch factor)
- The up and bottom overlays end up aligning both at the bottom after touching a few settings. Can be reseted at their original positions after struggling with the advanced settings but there's no point.
- Would LOVE to have an option to hide the sound bars, as far as I know there is one in ML. Because I love the other overlays I get without them, and they are distracting for me really as I'm not recording sound, the sound guy/lady is.
- When I tried to change the ISO while recording raw, the interface hung up, I hitted the stop button, it came back after a few seconds but my recording stopped.
- On crop mode, I don't get a proper framing ratio and the 5x icon doesnt go away... I think when I tested it with another version it was all grand.
- EDIT: And the remaining/eleapsed overlay doesn't work, such as also the free card space.
Those are all I think, hope they are of any use... And btw so many interface improvements every time I install a new version. Almost so perfect!
Cheers!
where do you find the 16 th version? the latest i find is 13th:
http://tl.bot-fly.com/
The latest ML builds are here:
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/
@idealaceneprod sorry for the off-topic but... Is that Jonathan Davis in your avatar? :-D
Quote from: mad.eos on March 21, 2014, 04:03:17 PM
@idealaceneprod sorry for the off-topic but... Is that Jonathan Davis in your avatar? :-D
Have no idea... this site only gives you a handful of options to chose from. I think this is the lead singer from Korn. Not a huge fan; it was better than the other options... :(
Then the answer is yes and I'm a huuuuge fan so kudos :-P
I only know a handful of their songs that play on Pandora. I do like those!
I have a question and i'm bit lazy roaming the forums through for possible answers. Apologies.
ML MLV build works nicely and produces beautiful image.
At the moment i'm shooting on Kingston 90mb/s card and get 1600x900 resolution continuous video. I'd like to go on higher resolution, but 1728x1156 seems to be the maximum i get. Over that ML announces that the resolutions are "not available on this video mode". What's this video mode and how can i change it? Thanks.
You have to enable Crop Mode.
Ok thanks Walter. Apparently i had some faulty january build that literally just cropped the frame instead of boosting the resolution. Works now on 2.2K.
Quote from: tonybeccar on March 20, 2014, 12:00:34 AM
Hello! Was testing today the 7D with the latest March 16th version:
- If I do slow motion, the canon framing is not correct. It should be narrower vertically. (btw, 1.40x IS the correct stretch factor)
@Tony,
The resize stretch factor is NOT 1.4X it is 1.66X. If your stretch using only 1.4 the proprtion of your image is still distorted.
I think there is an error in computing the crop in the recorded image when shooting at 60P mode.
Lets take 1600x644 as an example. With 60P mode engaged, In ML menu it says 16:9, however shooting a 16:9 res chart you will notice it record more of the top and bottom not seen in the crop border framing in live view, so if you use only 1.4x in stretch the image is still distorted. In order to line up the registration markers of the chart, I found out the stretch has to be 1.66 to get proper proportion. So in fact after the stretch the image is 1600x1070
Stretching it to fit a 1920 width you have a height of 1280, so 1920x1280 or 3:2 aspect ratio.
Quote from: Flyingsheep on March 18, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
Another frame grab using the March 5th build. I think I'm going to stick with this one for a while. Sunset shots in RAW are ridiculous. It's too bad I have to stretch it from 1280x514 though. A little noticeable with the high noise in ISO 1250.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/4f9d5a490eba717e72958a1795d47e21/tumblr_n2ls87uM1S1qbbks7o1_500.jpg)
what lens did u use?
Quote from: Flyingsheep on March 18, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
Another frame grab using the March 5th build. I think I'm going to stick with this one for a while. Sunset shots in RAW are ridiculous. It's too bad I have to stretch it from 1280x514 though. A little noticeable with the high noise in ISO 1250.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/4f9d5a490eba717e72958a1795d47e21/tumblr_n2ls87uM1S1qbbks7o1_500.jpg)
Did you use noise reduction? Adobe Lightroom, or...? I use Red Giant Denoiser II (for video), and that's pretty good, although it does tend to make footage look a bit soft. I would love to try Resolve's noise reduction, but I don't think that comes with the LITE version :(
Hey everyone. Here is another video I recently shot with Magic Lantern Raw and my Canon 7D. Love the work you guys are doing. I hope this video converts more people to the idea of shooting RAW!
So I'm using the mosaic engineering filter now on my 7D. I've heard that it works for the aliasing of course in regular shooting....but when you go to crop mode do you still need the filter or are you better off keeping it OUT of the camera when shooting crop mode? I guess I'm asking if the filter should be used for BOTH modes, or if it should only be used for non-cropped normal shooting. Thanks and keep up the amazing work everyone!
Don't use the filter in crop mode. In crop mode there is no line-skipping and so no aliasing which needs to be blurred.
That is interesting and frustrating. On a film set it would take too much time to delicately take the filter out of the camera for crop shooting and put it back in for normal shooting. What would be a good workflow do you think? 2 cameras, one with the filter and one not....but of course that gets expensive. Maybe get all the crop shots in a row and all the normal ones after or before...but of course that is difficult depending on the style of the shoot. Hmmm...this one will take some thinkin....
Frank7D is right. I have the VAF for 5D2 and it can't be used for crop mode and for stills in liveview.
I'm having trouble with Raw 7D. Here's the skinny:
* 2014 May 25 Nightly Build ML7D.203
* Raw 2.0 (mlv)
* 1532 x 1148 resolution
Most of the frames come out fine. Periodically, though, the following error will creep in (as exported from MLRawViewer 1.1.3 on Mac OS X):
(http://www.ceridwenproductions.com/Files/Misc/ML7DTearing.jpg)
It's a "tearing" of the image (circle added to show where the problem is) during motion. Is this a new issue, or am I missing something which will help avoid these?
Quote from: bischofftep on March 25, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
It's a "tearing" of the image (circle added to show where the problem is) during motion. Is this a new issue, or am I missing something which will help avoid these?
This happens under certain conditions (when you overload the camera, is my hypothesis). It has only happened to me when I was using the ml grayscale preview in crop mode. When I use the canon preview there is no issue.
Here are some comments reflecting some test results I got (using a tragic lantern build, btw):
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.2450 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.2450)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.2475 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.2475)
Quote from: Frank7D on March 26, 2014, 12:12:51 AM
This happens under certain conditions (when you overload the camera, is my hypothesis). It has only happened to me when I was using the ml grayscale preview in crop mode. When I use the canon preview there is no issue.
Thanks for the reply! I don't use crop mode, and am not sure what you mean by "canon preview." The output came from MLRawViewer... wonder if the problem is there? I can't actually play back on the camera itself: it plays at perhaps 8 fps. (And to answer the next likely question, using a Lexar 1000 32mb card.) I did read something about a "memory hack" which I am NOT using.
Would you mind sharing a "working" magic.cfg config file either here or by PM?
Quote from: bischofftep on March 26, 2014, 01:37:51 AM
Thanks for the reply! I don't use crop mode, and am not sure what you mean by "canon preview." The output came from MLRawViewer... wonder if the problem is there? I can't actually play back on the camera itself: it plays at perhaps 8 fps. (And to answer the next likely question, using a Lexar 1000 32mb card.) I did read something about a "memory hack" which I am NOT using.
Would you mind sharing a "working" magic.cfg config file either here or by PM?
If you're not shooting crop mode, then my settings probably won't apply to you (also, you are using a different build from me).
Based on my testing, it looks like anything that strains the camera's processor too much could potentially cause the tearing. Try turning off overlays (Global Draw)and see if that helps. I would do some tests to see what works for you in your mode of shooting. If you shoot some short clips of something with vertical lines filling the frame, and pan back and forth, you will see the issue if it's present (I used the back of a rocking chair). You could try different settings and see what causes it to happen.
Quote from: bischofftep on March 25, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
I'm having trouble with Raw 7D. Here's the skinny:
* 2014 May 25 Nightly Build ML7D.203
* Raw 2.0 (mlv)
* 1532 x 1148 resolution
Most of the frames come out fine. Periodically, though, the following error will creep in (as exported from MLRawViewer 1.1.3 on Mac OS X):
It's a "tearing" of the image (circle added to show where the problem is) during motion. Is this a new issue, or am I missing something which will help avoid these?
@ bischofftep,
Since you are using the ML nightly and this tearing is ML nightly specific, I'll direct you to this thread : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.msg108723;topicseen#msg108723
I see you have posted there already.
So you won't get confused since this thread is under tragic lantern section and the tearing problem is not present in recent TL nightlies.
I've also posted there reporting the tearing and pink corruption of the image in fast moving subjects in the ML nightly builds
Thank you, Ted! Hadn't realized this was a TL thread...
Hey Guys,
I'm using the TL version from October 3rd and would like to upgrade my firmware version.
Now I am a bit confused (even though I followed this thread closely) which version I should take:
a) TL or ML
b) which revision
Normally I am recording using crop mode. A new thing I would love to test would be recording raw + sound.
Which TL or ML revision should I choose?
Thank you for your help!
ML doesn't have the fps override yet so if you want to shoot in crop mode you are going to need TL