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Title: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: noisyboy on August 05, 2013, 11:52:15 PM
Updated install instructions here:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9848.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: Doyle4 on August 06, 2013, 12:22:28 AM
This be worth pinning at top like the rest? i remember when the 5Dmkii was unpinned and took awhile to find among new threads till pinned, :)

Looking forward to seeing what comes to the 7D Raw video.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: noisyboy on August 06, 2013, 01:07:35 AM
Done :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: ted ramasola on August 06, 2013, 01:42:56 AM
This is the 2nd thread I'll be closely watching. :) Thanks for starting this and pinning.

Good luck to the developer who will port the raw_rec to the 7D !!  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: GuGuProd on August 06, 2013, 02:07:28 AM
Hi! i recently tested 7d raw and the high iso on silent picture burst
i show you my first iso test, i don't know if i did any mistake on the workflow  :'(
please help me  ;D

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 02:19:31 AM
Good test GuGuProd but if am not mistake (some one correct me) for recording raw the best is using native ISO. 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 02:20:12 AM
Hi! i recently tested 7d raw and the high iso on silent picture burst
i show you my first iso test, i don't know if i did any mistake on the workflow  :'(
please help me  ;D


How shall we help you, if we dont even know your workflow...? And i dont think there is a "correct" workflow. the correct workflow for you is the one that suits you best. If you give me some more information i can give you a little more advise :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 02:27:45 AM
Good test GuGuProd but if am not mistake (some one correct me) for recording raw the best is using native ISO. 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600...


The ISO question seems to be one of the hardest to answer... still, after a  shitload of research and different opinios. I´m not sure if this one is still correct, but it was the most accurate when i tried to find the best iso the last time.

For a long time we believed Iso values like 100 200 400 800 and so on were the best.

Then someone discovered that a multiple of 80 was best. Iso values like 160 320 and so on.

Turns out, the real native Iso values were just in between, not accessable for the average user.
Thats why ML allows you to dial in (negative) digital ISO...


-----> According to this the best Iso values are Iso´s 100, 200, 400 and so minus one or two EV digital ISO


gosh, just started a new thread for RAW only and we are already going off topic :D 

Hope the information im giving you is correct.

Greets, Jemabaris
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: ted ramasola on August 06, 2013, 02:41:04 AM

The ISO question seems to be one of the hardest to answer... still, after a  shitload of research and different opinios. I´m not sure if this one is still correct, but it was the most accurate when i tried to find the best iso the last time.

For a long time we believed Iso values like 100 200 400 800 and so on were the best.

Then someone discovered that a multiple of 80 was best. Iso values like 160 320 and so on.

Turns out, the real native Iso values were just in between, not accessable for the average user.
Thats why ML allows you to dial in (negative) digital ISO...


-----> According to this the best Iso values are Iso´s 100, 200, 400 and so minus one or two EV digital ISO


gosh, just started a new thread for RAW only and we are already going off topic :D 

Hope the information im giving you is correct.

Greets, Jemabaris


I'm also curious, as to make your comment stay on topic, I too was aware that best practice before raw video was 160 320 640 etc ISO.
But that was for H264.

Now that some of us use raw video, does that still apply?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 02:46:22 AM
160 320 and so on were Not the best isos as I just explained. For example. 160 was better than 100 but actually 160 is a pulled ISO 200. So choosing ISO 200 and applying two stops negative ISO gives you 170 which is even better. Generally speaking, whole isos like 100 200 and so on minus one or two stops negative iso are the way to go
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: ted ramasola on August 06, 2013, 02:52:18 AM
160 320 and so on were Not the best isos as I just explained. For example. 160 was better than 100 but actually 160 is a pulled ISO 200. So choosing ISO 200 and applying two stops negative ISO gives you 170 which is even better. Generally speaking, whole isos like 100 200 and so on minus one or two stops negative iso are the way to go

I was basing my usage of ISOs from recommendations of Shane Hurlbut ASC when he did some tests on which ISOs "look better" for his films. Here's a link to his "ideal" settings. Though he could be wrong and you are right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=apTMHG-g5nQ&t=371


And I'd like to add, that this posts in relation to this thread is my curiosity if the same still applies in raw video.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 02:55:39 AM
Well, he is not using ML, not giving him the option for those isos. Without ML those might be the best. But we all do have ML, don't we? ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: GuGuProd on August 06, 2013, 03:58:38 AM
sorry i write the workflow in yt video description but i forget to rewrite here,

original DNG files > photoshop camera raw as single frame > saved as PSD > import in premiere....

i don't know what sequence settings are the best for comparing h264 clips with psd generated by raw files, i used the "classic" match clip settings on the 7d - h264 files
 :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: ted ramasola on August 06, 2013, 05:25:48 AM
Here's a res chart on the burst mode. At 1X, also at cropped mode (3X ?) and for comparison an H264 .mov chart in the end.

I think we'll need the VAF for this. Good thing it's already available. I only have one for the 5DmkII.


view in HD 1080.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: GuGuProd on August 06, 2013, 05:26:58 AM
however, i've exported and uploaded a new version of the previews test with a little bit of noise reduction and adjustment in camera raw..
tomorrow i'll shoot some daylight raw footage to compare.. sorry here in italy the clock mark 5:16 AM... i'll go to bed   ::)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 06:35:21 AM
I was basing my usage of ISOs from recommendations of Shane Hurlbut ASC when he did some tests on which ISOs "look better" for his films. Here's a link to his "ideal" settings. Though he could be wrong and you are right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=apTMHG-g5nQ&t=371


And I'd like to add, that this posts in relation to this thread is my curiosity if the same still applies in raw video.

No,
ISO 160 and multiples of that is just for H.264 (less noise)
ISO 100 and multiples of that is for raw
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: GuGuProd on August 06, 2013, 08:14:39 AM
ISO question >> http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO) << Here the answer
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: a1ex on August 06, 2013, 08:26:25 AM
On 5D3, in LiveView RAW, ISO 160 = 200 = 250 (the digital gain does not affect the raw data). Can you check if it's true on 7D? Also, 3200 should be identical to 6400 or higher.

In photo raw (CR2), the digital gain is burned into the raw data (=> it affects the noise pattern and dynamic range).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: John Kesl on August 06, 2013, 09:03:19 AM
ISO question >> http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO) << Here the answer

Nice. good read.
Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Audionut on August 06, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
I've got an updated 7D build here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6k0bh72mbb52fsi/k2Nx-hV2Aa

I've included all the usual modules except raw_rec.  If you want that working, you should help Pelican here:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread.
Post by: Doyle4 on August 06, 2013, 10:48:20 AM
Done :)

Sweet cheers  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Doyle4 on August 06, 2013, 10:53:08 AM
For workflows id recommend reading the 5Dmkii and iii posts, i cant see them been any different?  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jmalmsten on August 06, 2013, 01:05:43 PM
So, just to get things straight, RAW video shooting on the 7D is not yet available in experimental form. What is available is some form of silent picture shooting, that just basically bursts pictures as fast as the card can allow using reduced resolution compared with full more than 10 megapixels per image? This can be used as a simple image sequence but the fps isn't reliable?

I'm sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I've spent the last day sifting through threads where some post state that it's not yet available and some posts even showing test-videos. So things just seem to be a bit contradictory.  Is there a single thread that I should read to get up to date? Because, right now I have like ten threads open in different tabs in my browser with multiple dozens of pages in each. I'd be happy to read up on the subject, but I feel like I don't know where to start, to keep it relevant to the research.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 01:15:45 PM
So, just to get things straight, RAW video shooting on the 7D is not yet available in experimental form. What is available is some form of silent picture shooting, that just basically bursts pictures as fast as the card can allow using reduced resolution compared with full more than 10 megapixels per image? This can be used as a simple image sequence but the fps isn't reliable?

I'm sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I've spent the last day sifting through threads where some post state that it's not yet available and some posts even showing test-videos. So things just seem to be a bit contradictory.  Is there a single thread that I should read to get up to date? Because, right now I have like ten threads open in different tabs in my browser with multiple dozens of pages in each. I'd be happy to read up on the subject, but I feel like I don't know where to start, to keep it relevant to the research.

You just need to read the first post of this thread.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 06, 2013, 06:41:55 PM
I've got an updated 7D build here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6k0bh72mbb52fsi/k2Nx-hV2Aa

Has someone tested ETTR in this build? No luck on my side of the screen.
Proper bug report will follow.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 07:28:14 PM
Has someone tested ETTR in this build? No luck on my side of the screen.
Proper bug report will follow.

Ciao, Walter

With this last build i haven't try yet. But in the build before it works.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 06, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
I've got an updated 7D build here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6k0bh72mbb52fsi/k2Nx-hV2Aa

I get a lockup when I try to load any of the modules in this latest build. It locks up on the "Scanning modules..." screen. I have to remove the battery to get the screen to go away. Just turning off the camera doesn't do it. Does anyone else experience that?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
I get a lockup when I try to load any of the modules in this latest build. It locks up on the "Scanning modules..." screen. I have to remove the battery to get the screen to go away. Just turning off the camera doesn't do it. Does anyone else experience that?

This happen with me one time wend i try to load 2 times the modules... saying something like "modules already loaded" and this small box never go's way.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 06, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
This happen with me one time wend i try to load 2 times the modules... saying something like "modules already loaded" and this small box never go's way.


I've done a little more testing by disabling all the modules and loading them one at a time and here's what I'm getting:

When I try to load dual_iso i get an error that says:
"tcc: error: undefined symbol 'file_prefix_set'
"tcc: error: undefined symbol 'file_prefix_reset'
[E] failed to link modules"

When I try to load file_man I get:
"Load modules...
load: FILE_MAN.MO
Linking..."
And it just stays on that screen and I have to remove the battery to get it to go away.

When I try to load ettr I get locked on the "Scanning modules..." screen and I have to remove the battery to get it to go away.

I can successfully load pic_view but it doesn't seem to function. I have DNG images that I acquired through shooting burst but it still says no image when I try to view them with the pic_view module loaded.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
@stevelucky

Im going install the last build for see what happens with the modules.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 08:46:09 PM
@stevelucky

Im going install the last build for see what happens with the modules.


Everything works fine here :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 06, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
Everything works fine here :D

ETTR works as intended?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 06, 2013, 08:58:02 PM

Everything works fine here :D

Hmmm. Okay, maybe it's just me.  :o I'm not sure what I can do differently though....
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: yavaro on August 06, 2013, 09:02:07 PM
Test Canon 7D Raw - crop mode - Magic Lantern - Handheld + sharp + VSCO


@ crop mode I only get 35 frames... not so fast card...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 09:02:13 PM
ETTR works as intended?

Ciao, Walter



ETTR works like are charm ;) if not even better and faster than before^^ btw are you german, Walter?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 06, 2013, 09:07:21 PM
ETTR works like are charm ;) if not even better and faster than before^^

Good for you! I will install ML from scratch on a second card and hope for the best.

btw are you german, Walter?

Yes, why?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 09:09:03 PM
So am I ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Every thing is working good with the last build, but the pic view modulo don't work.

-ETTR i think just work in photo mode with LiveView on. You push the SET button and he make the auto ETTR, then you just need to shoot. Silent burst or raw photo. ETTR just work with RAW.

-Pic View modulo don't work, at least for me. 


Silent Pic Burst

Normal= 41 frames
Zoom 5x= 35 frames

Sandisk Extreme
60MB/s 
8GB
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 09:19:35 PM
Every thing is working good with the last build, but the pic view modulo don't work.

-ETTR i think just work in photo mode with LiveView on. You push the SET button and he make the auto ETTR, then you just need to shoot. Silent burst or raw photo. ETTR just work with RAW.

-Pic View modulo don't work, at least for me. 




Also, ETTR only works in M with a fixed ISO... (just choose any, it will be changed anyway)

Pic view also works perfectly fine for me. :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 06, 2013, 09:37:50 PM
Installed ML on another card and ETTR works just fine.

Deleted MAGIC.CFG from first one (installed yesterday, updated today) and it works, too.

May I suggest to the people having troubles with todays build (after updating) to move MAGIC.CFG from SETTINGS (or to rename it) and to try again?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 06, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
Probably there are different versions of modules and somebody uses one version of the module another one uses another version.
Maybe it's time to mark the modules with version number or date or something to make it recognizable/distinguishable.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
Probably there are different versions of modules and somebody uses one version of the module another one uses another version.
Maybe it's time to mark the modules with version number or date or something to make it recognizable/distinguishable.

Yes, it would be more easy.

I can't manage work with the pic_view modulo  :-\
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 10:04:24 PM

I can't manage work with the pic_view modulo  :-\


Since the latest build is working 100% try the following:

Format your CF card with your PC to NTFS. Put it back in your camera and format it again.
Then paste all the files from the latest release to it. the "autoexec.bin" to the root all other fils to "magiclantern/modules".
Boot up your camera, go to the modules tab and enable autoload modules. switch your camera off and back on.


Take a DNG seequence with silent picture.

Then go to File Manager under the "Debug" tab. Navigate to   DCIM/100EOS7D/and there are your DNG files. press set and then "view" to get a grey scale preview.

Good luck
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 06, 2013, 10:29:23 PM
@jemabaris

I almost call to the ML Hot-Line 0800-754-754   ;D  but with this explanation...  ;D

THANK YOU jemabaris  didn't knew that for see the dng's you need to go to Debug tab for see the pictures. I just carried on the play/review button on camera and nothing happen. Now i know how to see the dng's, in gray scale.

More one time, thank you for you time and explanation  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MaxK7D on August 06, 2013, 10:32:44 PM
How long should I expect (Recording... Remaining images :1) to take it has been about 20min so far?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 06, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
How long should I expect (Recording... Remaining images :1) to take it has been about 20min so far?


I have no idea what you are talking about, haha. But there is no process lasting 20 minutes.. Probably something stuck or froze^^
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MaxK7D on August 06, 2013, 10:52:17 PM
Ok thanks just pulled the battery out
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 07, 2013, 01:57:05 AM

Since the latest build is working 100% try the following:

Format your CF card with your PC to NTFS. Put it back in your camera and format it again.
Then paste all the files from the latest release to it. the "autoexec.bin" to the root all other fils to "magiclantern/modules".
Boot up your camera, go to the modules tab and enable autoload modules. switch your camera off and back on.

This fixed all my issues. All my modules are loading great now. Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on August 07, 2013, 12:05:44 PM
... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work. Any testers out there?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 07, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
... How well does the 7D hold up when shooting raw with a Mosaic Engineering anti-aliasing filter? Starting to think that this would be an excellent combination for production work. Any testers out there?


I got the same question, if the Mosaic Engineering filter going to work good with raw... or is just good  for the 1080p h.264 ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: John Kesl on August 07, 2013, 01:01:22 PM
Hi,
I've noticed the GOP and Frame Dump hack don't work in this version, the autoload raw version of Alpha 2. Was wondering if it may be enabled.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: noisyboy on August 07, 2013, 07:58:47 PM

I got the same question, if the Mosaic Engineering filter going to work good with raw... or is just good  for the 1080p h.264 ?

It works amazingly well! Actually I tested it with footage shot with the 6D (provided by kvg5) and the 6D is the worst when it comes to aliasing and moire (way worse than the 7D - I know coz I have both).

Check the thread and some test footage and DNG's in this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.msg55568#msg55568
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 07, 2013, 08:14:21 PM
@noisyboy

Thank you, excelente!!! Going start to saving some money for buy one  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jmalmsten on August 07, 2013, 08:42:01 PM
You just need to read the first post of this thread.

Which is what I did... and once more I read it just to be sure I wasn't misreading it. After reading your reply.

So I therefore take it that it is as I have understood it. That somewhat of a burst mode is available which can be used for a couple of seconds. If, that's the case, then a simple "yes" would have sufficed...

But maybe a framerate override and a further tinker is needed before continuous recording is unlocked

Why did I ask? Well, the first post, which I was referred back to didn't really state this clearly. I came to this conclusion by reading a lot between the lines and implementing quite a bit of other results of research from the myriad of posts growing every minute. I asked it in this thread since it's supposed to be the one about 7D RAW recording development. But the first post says that RAWrecording is not yet available but in the very next couple of posts I see test-videos of the very same feature. It did't match up so I wanted get it clear. That was all.

Now, back on topic... I'll probably wait a while to see the major kinks beaten out of the codes, and a consice set of  instructions for what I have to do, what modules are needed and how they are to be installed are posted on the main magic lantern webpage. Because without that I wouldn't dare risking bricking my 7D because I patched the firmware the wrong way so that the module was incorrectly parsed. Slim risk, I know, but reading the posts which ends with declarations of uncertainty if the writer remembered the procedure correctly makes me wary. Especially when parts of the procedure is scattered on the forum.

By the way. If the same photosites are used when RAW-bursting as when recording h264 as usual, then I'm pretty sure that the VAF-7D will do just as well. Since the VAF doesn't know what you are recording with. Though, when recording in 1:1 crop the VAF will probably only do harm since the gap between photosites are just about eliminated and the anti aliasing filter that's already on the sensor is already built to tackle those conditions. So using the VAF during crop will probably just kill detail that the sensor would handle just fine on its own.

Or why not just drop the guys at Mosaic Engineering a mail asking about it. They seem like friendly folk when I asked them about mitigating the close focus alterations that the VAF induces. And I'm sure they will be able to make much more educated guesses than most of us as to what this RAW-hack might entail combined with their product.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 07, 2013, 09:15:36 PM





But the first post says that RAWrecording is not yet available but in the very next couple of posts I see test-videos of the very same feature.






It´s actually not exactly the same feature.. when we talk about Raw recording, we speak of continuous 24fps recording...
The videos which you have seen are only 41 frame bursts, without fps override

greets :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: flofifull on August 07, 2013, 10:57:16 PM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.

2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :


Edit: Modified link to embed  8)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 07, 2013, 11:50:54 PM
@flofifull

Beautiful images  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: noisyboy on August 08, 2013, 12:53:28 AM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.

2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :


You smashed it with that dude :) Real nice!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 08, 2013, 01:05:27 AM
short raw test on 7d at iso 1600
Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 08, 2013, 02:48:43 AM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.

2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :

Edit: Modified link to embed  8)

Just out of curiosity, what kind/speed of CF card are you using? I seem to be getting dropped/pink frames every time I try to shoot. I'm using a 600X Duracell card. I would have thought it was fast enough, but because of the odd frame issues, I'm assuming it's not.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on August 08, 2013, 03:30:42 AM
Just out of curiosity, what kind/speed of CF card are you using? I seem to be getting dropped/pink frames every time I try to shoot. I'm using a 600X Duracell card. I would have thought it was fast enough, but because of the odd frame issues, I'm assuming it's not.

I wanted to add that I don't get any pink frames nor corrupted ones.. and I'm using Trancend's 166x, 16gb and 32gb.. so I am not sure if it's a speed problem!! :/
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on August 08, 2013, 05:25:30 AM
Beautiful imagery Flofifull!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 08, 2013, 05:30:18 AM
I wanted to add that I don't get any pink frames nor corrupted ones.. and I'm using Trancend's 166x, 16gb and 32gb.. so I am not sure if it's a speed problem!! :/

It must have been an old build or something that I was using as I tested it and everything seems just great now.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:03:22 AM
I must have missed something regarding using the Silent Picture mode. I loaded the required modules (as far as I can tell) and I can enable Silent Picture in simple, burst, burst end trigger, best shots, and Slit-Scan. When using burst it only takes 13 frames to the buffer then records them to the card. How to I set it to shoot continuous straight to the card?

Where can I test the crop mode resolutions too?

I'm sorry, I've been digging through the forums and cant seem to find this information. I apologize if it is listed somewhere and I missed it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 08, 2013, 07:07:21 AM
I must have missed something regarding using the Silent Picture mode. I loaded the required modules (as far as I can tell) and I can enable Silent Picture in simple, burst, burst end trigger, best shots, and Slit-Scan. When using burst it only takes 13 frames to the buffer then records them to the card. How to I set it to shoot continuous straight to the card?

Where can I test the crop mode resolutions too?

I'm sorry, I've been digging through the forums and cant seem to find this information. I apologize if it is listed somewhere and I missed it.

I think that's why it's called "burst mode". There is NO continuous for now.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:15:06 AM
I think that's why it's called "burst mode". There is NO continuous for now.

Believe me, I understand this. I apologize if what I wrote seemed to imply the 7D is capable of recording for long periods. It looks like the average seems to be 2 seconds or so of recording. Though 13 frames for me seems disappointingly low. I was wondering if I was using the incorrect function, since it seems to write to a buffer first, then the card.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 08, 2013, 07:19:32 AM
Believe me, I understand this. I apologize if what I wrote seemed to imply the 7D is capable of recording for long periods. It looks like the average seems to be 2 seconds or so of recording. Though 13 frames for me seems disappointingly low. I was wondering if I was using the incorrect function, since it seems to write to a buffer first, then the card.

what kind of card are you using in terms of speed? also, try to hold down the half press longer until it fills up.

edit:

ok, I just tested now. For burst mode, its not the card speed but just the buffer thats involved.

133 X CF card= 41 frames
1000X CF card=41 frames

You must have released your finger from the shutter half press before the buffer filled up.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:36:43 AM
what kind of card are you using in terms of speed? also, try to hold down the half press longer until it fills up.

Tried holding it longer, doesn't go longer then 13 frames for both my 32GB cards (400x Transend, 30MB/s Sandisk neither are super quick) I got a Komputerbay 1000x card, but didn't realize there was a limitation to installing firmware on a card larger then 32 GB (the 5D3 can boot off the smaller SD, wish the 7D had a SD slot!) I guess I was doing it right? Hah! 13 frames!

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 08, 2013, 07:38:28 AM
Tried holding it longer, doesn't go longer then 13 frames for both my 32GB cards (400x Transend, 30MB/s Sandisk neither are super quick) I got a Komputerbay 1000x card, but didn't realize there was a limitation to installing firmware on a card larger then 32 GB (the 5D3 can boot off the smaller SD, wish the 7D had a SD slot!) I guess I was doing it right? Hah! 13 frames!

you can still install up to 64 gig on the 7D. 128 is the one not able to handle firmware and ML.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jon Girard on August 08, 2013, 07:48:52 AM
you can still install up to 64 gig on the 7D. 128 is the one not able to handle firmware and ML.

Guess which one I got?  :-[ It is not that much more expensive then the 64. Oh well! Thanks for the assistance.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MaxK7D on August 08, 2013, 07:56:15 AM
I don't know if this is the good topic but here is my second raw video on 7D.

2.5K Raw Video - Test Crop Mode 5x - Canon 7D with Magic Lantern (Pelican's nightly build) :


Edit: Modified link to embed  8)

This is so cool. I am existed about how this can go.
I am just not seeming to get crop mode to work the raw is fine but no crop mode yet. Please can you help. How / where do I enable crop mode? Thanks for all your video test as well.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 08, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
This is so cool. I am existed about how this can go.
I am just not seeming to get crop mode to work the raw is fine but no crop mode yet. Please can you help. How / where do I enable crop mode? Thanks for all your video test as well.

Just hit the zoom button that you would normally use for focusing. It'll bring you to a X5 zoom. It will then capture 2.5k raw images.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: immi on August 08, 2013, 04:05:29 PM
When will the raw rec module be out?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: petejohnst on August 08, 2013, 04:06:26 PM
Here's a totally quick and dirty look at the full sensor vs. the crop mode.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFzsjCv4l.jpg&hash=6b11c01af363ecd92f1205f0a10aa59f)
H.264 still

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDgeJskel.jpg&hash=eb118cebb1d9d4198d22902efad74f7b)
Regular raw still

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F19Atvjul.jpg&hash=dd4e99143bbc5331eb8ba325e46a5c7a)
Crop still

The crop appears to be 2x (18in. covered vs. 36in.), that is if you use the full width and letterbox it. If you fit it to 1920x1080, it's about 2.38x. These are on top of the 1.6x APS-C crop.

I made a custom cropmark to use with the crop sensor to frame the image. Drop this in your ML/CROPMKS folder and you can enable this for framing. Frame up in regular view before hitting the zoom button.
http://www.johnstonbrospictures.com/resources/CROP.bmp

Happy shooting!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 08, 2013, 04:59:50 PM
@petejohnst

Thank you for this. Going give a try on this... hope today  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Kakuda on August 08, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
Tried holding it longer, doesn't go longer then 13 frames for both my 32GB cards (400x Transend, 30MB/s Sandisk neither are super quick) I got a Komputerbay 1000x card, but didn't realize there was a limitation to installing firmware on a card larger then 32 GB (the 5D3 can boot off the smaller SD, wish the 7D had a SD slot!) I guess I was doing it right? Hah! 13 frames!


Change it for SRaw :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: petejohnst on August 08, 2013, 06:18:26 PM
And I'll throw my short test into the ring. I tried to take some of the same shots with raw and h.264 and grade to loosely match.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: AndreiAstafyev on August 08, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
I have a quick question. I haven't been able to find it on both the 7d raw threads. I am able to shoot burst dng's but noticed that it shoots at 30fps instead of 24. which gives you closer to 1.3 seconds instead of around 2 seconds if I were to shoot at 24fps. Any way to set the framerate to 24? Or just switch the timecode and end up with slightly slower video?
                              Thank you, Andrei

Edit:
Woops, I just had my sequence settings set up wrong!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: flofifull on August 08, 2013, 10:02:25 PM
Thanks to Aaron (vimeo.com/user10880142), by setting the still image resolution to S2, i can now record 69 frames (1736 x 1156 pixels) and 59 frames of 2.5K (always with transcend 400X CF card).
And same number of frames with Lexar 1000x 32Go...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 08, 2013, 10:49:35 PM
i changed to sraw in menu end it's records the same amount of frames like before 41(1736 x 1156 pixels) and 35 of 2.5k,did you changed anything else to?
i use sandisk 8gb 60mb/s
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 08, 2013, 10:51:59 PM
i changed to sraw in menu end it's records the same amount of frames like before 41(1736 x 1156 pixels) and 35 of 2.5k,did you changed anything else to?
i use sandisk 8gb 60mb/s


Please, read things twice, before you post unnecessary questions. He didn´t say sRaw, he said S2 ( which is the second jpeg format, the one with the rough steps) Disable raw completey.

Hope I could help you. Greetings
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 09, 2013, 12:13:49 AM
Yes  :D

69 frames in normal
59 frames in crop x5

For who don't understand: Go to the first tab in canon menu and put the quality for your picture in the lowest jpeg (s) and without the raw. With this you can record more frames with your silent burst picture.

Thank you flofifull and Aaron A

Also with the cropmark of petejohnst its a lot more easy to frame in 2.5k, thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jon Girard on August 09, 2013, 02:00:49 AM
Yes  :D

69 frames in normal
59 frames in crop x5

For who don't understand: Go to the first tab in canon menu and put the quality for your picture in the lowest jpeg (s) and without the raw. With this you can record more frames with your silent burst picture.

Thank you flofifull and Aaron A

Also with the cropmark of petejohnst its a lot more easy to frame in 2.5k, thanks.

Yes! This was the info I was looking for! Thank You all! I had it on L and Raw, thats why I was only getting 13 frames. Wow, switching to SJPG (still takes RAW shots to card) gives me 69 frames now!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tiktak on August 09, 2013, 06:20:12 AM
Was experimenting with changing the quality to jpeg yesterday. Pretty cool that we get more frames, does any one know if it impacts the quality in the dng's ? i couldn't notice anything :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rai2121 on August 09, 2013, 06:50:52 AM
@tiktak There won't be any change in the quality of the DNGs. Like with the other raw capable Canon DSLRs, setting the picture quality to sJPG frees up more of the buffer and hence we get more frames before it fills up.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MaxK7D on August 09, 2013, 09:05:50 AM
Just hit the zoom button that you would normally use for focusing. It'll bring you to a X5 zoom. It will then capture 2.5k raw images.

Thanks, it works. Time to play.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 09, 2013, 11:36:24 AM
Never tested if the dng's was recorded with lower quality with this settings. I think for see if the quality is the same is to view the size of the file. Later, in the afternoon, i will check if records with the same size and post here the results.   

Edit:

Only JPEG S

Crop x5= 5.318 kb
Normal = 4.062 kb
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: petejohnst on August 09, 2013, 02:51:51 PM
Weird, I've been getting 69/59 frames all along and my quality has been set on L Fine. Doesn't seem like I'm doing anything else differently, but I've never had it drop below this. Sadly, changing it to S2 didn't free up any more buffer!  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wonderfilm on August 09, 2013, 06:01:18 PM
First off, I wanted to express my sincere gratitude to all the developers over at Magic Lantern for their hard work.   You all are doing some seriously awesome and amazing work!

Next, I wanted to ask if there is anything a moderately tech savvy non-coder can do at this juncture to help out the developers in making their way to the next full build for the 7d, including raw video recording?  From reading through the forums, it seems that right now what is left to be figured out is a way to enable fps override so as to enable continuous raw video recording on the 7d.    I'm unclear about what the process entails, but if there is some monkey work type tasks that can be given to the enthusiastic community at large by the developers, I know that I for one would step up (assuming of course that the job of explaining what would need to be done to laymen would be simpler/more efficient than doing the actual task )

In any case, holding my breath and super excited about the potential of my lowly little 7d becoming a raw video beast!

Thanks again.

Joe :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Abstrak on August 10, 2013, 01:04:43 AM
Footage is amazing if they manage to get atleast 500-720 frames out of 2.5k that would be amazing might be worth pickin up a 7D. I'm sure you guys will be at continuous on other resolutions in no time. Gotta love ML


The crop appears to be 2x (18in. covered vs. 36in.), that is if you use the full width and letterbox it. If you fit it to 1920x1080, it's about 2.38x. These are on top of the 1.6x APS-C crop.

I made a custom cropmark to use with the crop sensor to frame the image. Drop this in your ML/CROPMKS folder and you can enable this for framing. Frame up in regular view before hitting the zoom button.
http://www.johnstonbrospictures.com/resources/CROP.bmp


This should work on my 60D no? I have to see if the crop overlay causes pink frames or not but hey its worth a try thanks for this!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: BVG on August 10, 2013, 02:52:56 AM
I am getting 128 frames @ 1736x694 using the "s jpeg" only* and 59 @ 2.5k. Sometimes i get some corrupted frames.
Some of them are a pinky mess and some have some skewing and or lineskipping.

Will test some more tomorrow..

I was using sandisk extreme cards rated at 60 mb/s.
* Do not also select raw.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on August 10, 2013, 03:04:31 AM
First off, I wanted to express my sincere gratitude to all the developers over at Magic Lantern for their hard work.   You all are doing some seriously awesome and amazing work!

Next, I wanted to ask if there is anything a moderately tech savvy non-coder can do at this juncture to help out the developers in making their way to the next full build for the 7d, including raw video recording?  From reading through the forums, it seems that right now what is left to be figured out is a way to enable fps override so as to enable continuous raw video recording on the 7d.    I'm unclear about what the process entails, but if there is some monkey work type tasks that can be given to the enthusiastic community at large by the developers, I know that I for one would step up (assuming of course that the job of explaining what would need to be done to laymen would be simpler/more efficient than doing the actual task )

In any case, holding my breath and super excited about the potential of my lowly little 7d becoming a raw video beast!

Thanks again.

Joe :)

I was gonna suggest the same thing. I want the 7D to be as full as possible, and I am SO excited!!! Not a programmer but I am very nerd indeed!! Would love to help Pelican so much, so if there is any "monkey work" that can be done, like finding stuff through the code or something, I don't know, ANYTHING! will be willing to do it!!!!! Also would love to implement some audio features like headphones monitoring.. and stuff like that... Is it really hard to learn how to program this?? I have a tiny background on programming.. so I understand quite a bit.. but I feel this is dangerous!!

Thanks!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 05:33:12 PM
More one video in 2.5k raw




-I didn't use a tripod, only what exist in the street for give me some kind of stabilization and after in post i used the warp stabilizer from cs6.

-Color correction, i have done some and in some scenes heavy grading, just to see how 14bits can handle and i must say, awesome.  Wend i past the dng to after effects i just adjust the levels of blacks and whites with camera raw, then some grading in the timeline.

-It's was difficult to me to handle the dng files and for grading it's to ward to me/computer. I move a slide and just after a few seconds it will do the job.

-For exporting it take me about 35 minutes.

-My workflow: Put each scene (dng's) in different folders. Open AE and import each folder with dng's files, it will open camera raw , i just level the blacks and whites. Make sequence, color correction and some grading. Export with h.264 (1080p vimeo preset) at 30fps. 

-I think i have to transcribe from dng's to other format, for handle better in premiere or after effects. I want to go ProRes but im using pc and i think is only for mac... if some one can give me hint would be nice =)) 

What i can say about this experince? Once you go 2.5k you'll never go back !!!   


(damn vimeo... it just let me upload one HD video per week  :'(   im going upload in youtube)

...and youtube only 720p . But evan at 720p it's amazing the 2,5k downscale to 1080p

...needed to wait to get 1080p in youtube =)))
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 06:36:01 PM
First raw module for the 7D

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg65698#msg65698

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kgv5 on August 10, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
I think i have to transcribe from dng's to other format, for handle better in premiere or after effects. I want to go ProRes but im using pc and i think is only for mac... if some one can give me hint would be nice =)) 

On windows go to DNxHD 444 10bit. Its awesome IMHO. Transcoding DNGs to DNxHD via Davinci Resolve is a couple times faster (if you have nvidia card) than doing the same via AE or premiere. Unfortunatelly resolve is not as brilliant in recovering highlights and shadows as ACR, but its quick.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 07:19:17 PM
On windows go to DNxHD 444 10bit. Its awesome IMHO. Transcoding DNGs to DNxHD via Davinci Resolve is a couple times faster (if you have nvidia card) than doing the same via AE or premiere. Unfortunatelly resolve is not as brilliant in recovering highlights and shadows as ACR, but its quick.

Thank you Kgv5  :D

Yes, i got nvidia card, never try Resolve but ACR is very good in recovery, no doubt about that. I going try with DNxHD like you say. After transcoding just deal with the files like a normal file in after effects/premiere?

I think i don't have DNxHD codec, need to download from Avid...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 07:21:37 PM

@Kgv5

I know that exist a few app for transconding the raw files (new module for 7D) in your opinion whats is the best app to do this?

Thank you... big time  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kgv5 on August 10, 2013, 07:35:46 PM
No problem! Definetely check resolve, you can download 9.1.5 lite version for free, it is completely useful tool. I believe it has DNxHD built in (i dont remember instaling any avid things on my computer). Check also workflow threads, almost everything is described there.
cheers
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 07:44:52 PM
No problem! Definetely check resolve, you can download 9.1.5 lite version for free, it is completely useful tool. I believe it has DNxHD built in (i dont remember instaling any avid things on my computer). Check also workflow threads, almost everything is described there.
cheers

Thank you U rock  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 10, 2013, 10:15:45 PM
Solved

Back from the store with a 1000x card , going to give this a try


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 10, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
Solved

Do already have the "new" ML in your camera? And camera are autoboot?


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0


Good  :D 

Im curiouse for see how much an x1000 can handle the raw.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 10, 2013, 11:42:14 PM
Well , i'm still trying to figure out how to install ML , i'm having some issues you can read my post Here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg65786#msg65786 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg65786#msg65786)

EDIT:

Pelican gave me a link to an older version of EOScard.exe and ML is up and running

will test it out and hopefully post some results
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 11, 2013, 06:36:51 AM
I've been trying out raw video on my camera and can record continuous 960x540 but I have a slow card. I'm also really interested to see what a x1000 card can do. The komputerbay 64gb looks good.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 11, 2013, 06:40:23 AM
For now a 1000x card can shoot RAW continuous at these resolutions :

Here's a list of raw continuous recording resolutions using 1000x cf card

24P & 30P
1728 x 576
1600 x 534
1472 x 626
1344 x 610
1280 x 582
1152 x 622

60P
1728 x 308
1600 x 382
1472 x 420
1344 x 436
1280 x 486
1152 x 464
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 11, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
For now a 1000x card can shoot RAW continuous at these resolutions :
I wander what the write speeds were on that card. It doesn't seem to be at the 7d's potential.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 11, 2013, 06:57:01 AM
I wander what the write speeds were on that card. It doesn't seem to be at the 7d's potential.

I have no idea , i'm just here to test whatever they throw at us  ;D

However i'm crossing my finger that the potential of the 7D is much better , that 2.5k with no line skipping thing is driving me nuts !

Going to post some tests tomorow
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 11, 2013, 07:59:22 AM
I wander what the write speeds were on that card. It doesn't seem to be at the 7d's potential.

Here's the benchmark of the 1000x cf lexar done in the 7D.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn2%2F282939_356646907799433_1517976398_n.jpg&hash=a0fed21c94843472f06807bb47c0b98d)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 11, 2013, 08:34:10 AM
Here's the benchmark of the 1000x cf lexar done in the 7D.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn2%2F282939_356646907799433_1517976398_n.jpg&hash=a0fed21c94843472f06807bb47c0b98d)
I'm no expert but I quick guesstimate puts your maximum bitrate at approx 50 mB/s judging from your continuous 30p resolutions. That is a fair way under the write speeds you got here.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juantamad on August 11, 2013, 08:47:19 AM
Result on 7D KomputerBay 128GB 1000x
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcopy.com%2F00qdsHsKeWjh&hash=b7b4a8886f383a9103f4f353d2fcd1a2)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 11, 2013, 08:50:41 AM
Result on 7D KomputerBay 128GB 1000x
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcopy.com%2F00qdsHsKeWjh&hash=b7b4a8886f383a9103f4f353d2fcd1a2)

"Lazy John" ;)

Your among the few lucky ones that got the 128 to work on the 7D.
When did you get your card? Seems like its from an earlier batch (ver.1)
since the data rate is slower.

Ver 2 is now faster BUT we can't get them to work with both 5D and 7D.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juantamad on August 11, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
@ted
Thanks for the 1st sentence.
Last June.

I used 32GB Sandisk Extreme to install .fir on 7D.
Changed to 128GB KB, format card into camera.
Download "Pelicans" modules.
I used BootDisk for MACOS X 10.8
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 11, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
@ted
Thanks for the 1st sentence.
Last June.

I used 32GB Sandisk Extreme to install .fir on 7D.
Changed to 128GB KB, format card into camera.
Download "Pelicans" modules.
I used BootDisk for MACOS X 10.8

Thank you for providing that information.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 11, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
Bug:

After recording the screen freezes and doesn't switch back to "liveview". (EDIT): Press Menu -> Shutter release half pressed (or any other button) -> back to normal.

Clean install today, downloaded RAW module from Pelican's site.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: obiyan19 on August 11, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
got same, after recording, screen freeze, but still record. half press not back to normal. i have to switch off live view...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 11, 2013, 12:59:28 PM

After recording the screen freezes and doesn't switch back to "liveview". (EDIT): Press Menu -> Shutter release half pressed (or any other button) -> back to normal.
got same, after recording, screen freeze, but still record. half press not back to normal. i have to switch off live view...
After recording? Not instantly?
For me the screen freezes in that moment when I start the record (push the Start/Stop button).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 11, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
Of course you're right! It freezes the moment the record is *started*. Sorry for my germish ...
If the record session is stopped by pressing the record button again the screen remain frozen but it will get unlocked by MENU and shutter release half pressed. If you press MENU during recording you will get stuck with a blank screen after pressing shutter release half. Stop recording, press PLAY and then shutter release half and you're back to live view.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on August 11, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
I get the same behavior.   It freezes instantly after the button is pressed.

EDIT:  I should add that my zebras continue to update properly.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: obiyan19 on August 11, 2013, 02:14:57 PM
After recording? Not instantly?
For me the screen freezes in that moment when I start the record (push the Start/Stop button).

yesn sorry , screen freeze when start...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: africanmarty on August 11, 2013, 02:24:03 PM
Of course you're right! It freezes the moment the record is *started*. Sorry for my germish ...
If the record session is stopped by pressing the record button again the screen remain frozen but it will get unlocked by MENU and shutter release half pressed. If you press MENU during recording you will get stuck with a blank screen after pressing shutter release half. Stop recording, press PLAY and then shutter release half and you're back to live view.

Ciao, Walter

I am experiencing the exact same behavior. Do you guys think it could be due to my slow CF cards ?? evan though i am trying to record raw video at the lowest resolution. The cards is am using are the PQi 32GB 150x and the Sandisk extreme 4GB. regards Marty. PS: great for ML team for all the developing :) and users for the contributions.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 11, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
This issue doesn't have anything to do with card speed.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 11, 2013, 02:35:21 PM
This issue doesn't have anything to do with card speed.

Indeed, it's code.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edingacic on August 11, 2013, 03:52:13 PM
Indeed, it's code.

now that Pelican is gone till october anyone up to the task to finish this great raw rec module?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 11, 2013, 08:25:46 PM
now that Pelican is gone till october anyone up to the task to finish this great raw rec module?

Nobody else is working on the 7D ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edingacic on August 11, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
As far as I understand no
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 11, 2013, 08:58:28 PM

I'm afraid not, at least for raw module. A1ex and g3gg0 working in other stuff...  we will benefit from it but we need some one that can work in the raw module.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 11, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
Here's raw_rec.mo with Pelican's changes:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/17wrac41a1oi4bu/raw_rec.mo
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edingacic on August 11, 2013, 10:17:40 PM


Any difference?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 11, 2013, 10:32:20 PM
I didn't notice any  :-\
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 11, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
Well that was fun , it showed me that i truly needed 2.5k+ and RAW , for more than 2 secs  ;D

I'm going to preorder the BMPC4k and be done with it

Thank you all for your hard work !!

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 11, 2013, 11:39:20 PM
Well that was fun , it showed me that i truly needed 2.5k+ and RAW , for more than 2 secs  ;D

I'm going to preorder the BMPC4k and be done with it

Thank you all for your hard work !!

If you got the money just go for it  :D 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 12, 2013, 07:47:00 PM
Hello! I installed magiclantern on my 7D as explained the guide, with the modules: dual iso, file man, pic view and ettr. But when I paste in the MODULES folder card "rec raw" module does not work either ... It says "Linkin failed" at all. What I can do? Thank you very much!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 12, 2013, 10:07:19 PM
Hello! I installed magiclantern on my 7D as explained the guide, with the modules: dual iso, file man, pic view and ettr. But when I paste in the MODULES folder card "rec raw" module does not work either ... It says "Linkin failed" at all. What I can do? Thank you very much!

juan,

Is it the latest august 11 raw_rec module from pelican but compiled by Thomas Worth?
If so, download it again and copy paste again into your CF. I also got a file error when I loaded modules in ML menu. Re-downloaded, copy pasted it again and it loaded.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 12, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
juan,

Is it the latest august 11 raw_rec module from pelican but compiled by Thomas Worth?
If so, download it again and copy paste again into your CF. I also got a file error when I loaded modules in ML menu. Re-downloaded, copy pasted it again and it loaded.

Thank you very much for the help Ted! Yes, the module "raw_rec" that is installed on 11th August, but does not work. When I copy "raw_rec" in the modules folder does not work any module. I downloaded the files again and I have copied to the card, but does not work. Could you send your files in the "CF" email to prove it?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 12, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
Thank you very much for the help Ted! Yes, the module "raw_rec" that is installed on 11th August, but does not work. When I copy "raw_rec" in the modules folder does not work any module. I downloaded the files again and I have copied to the card, but does not work. Could you send your files in the "CF" email to prove it?

here's what i did completely.

After i found that aug 11 raw_rec had file error. I took cf out.
I re-copied an older one by pelican aug 10. Boot up- raw-rec loaded.
Took out cf.
Re downloaded one posted by thomas -overwrite the aug 10 with the just downloaded aug 11 and it loaded.

I'll send you via email the raw_rec if you have problems.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 12, 2013, 11:08:25 PM
just a quick test from my balcony

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 12, 2013, 11:23:27 PM

@kh3naz

Nice video! 2.5k is beautiful  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 13, 2013, 12:54:25 AM
@kh3naz

Nice video! 2.5k is beautiful  :D

Thanks!

unfortunately the video is really compressed on vimeo , i think ill give youtube a try with "original" quality
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 13, 2013, 07:41:45 AM
Thank you very much for the help Ted! Yes, the module "raw_rec" that is installed on 11th August, but does not work. When I copy "raw_rec" in the modules folder does not work any module. I downloaded the files again and I have copied to the card, but does not work. Could you send your files in the "CF" email to prove it?
If it helps, I renamed the module to all capital letters and didn't have any problems. Maybe that is the issue?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 13, 2013, 08:47:24 AM
If it helps, I renamed the module to all capital letters and didn't have any problems. Maybe that is the issue?

Hello! Thanks nick.p! Do I have to put capital letters only to the module "raw_rec" or all the files in the modules folder? I'll try it this afternoon. Thank you very much for the help!

I do not know what is the problem but all modules work until I install the module raw_rec...  :(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 13, 2013, 08:49:00 AM
Hello! Thanks nick.p! Do I have to put capital letters only to the module "raw_rec" or all the files in the modules folder? I'll try it this afternoon. Thank you very much for the help!

I do not know what is the problem but all modules work until I install the module raw_rec...  :(
I renamed every letter so it looked something like RAW_REC.MO.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: EOSHD on August 13, 2013, 09:48:33 PM
Started testing with my 1000x KomputerBay card.

1728x567 and 1600x600 at 24p = continuous.

When resolution goes above 600 pixels, no matter what the data-rate or horizontal resolution the camera switches to a mode of operation which is completely different.

It fills the buffer like Silent Pics and won't empty the buffer and write to the card at the same time. Drop to 600 or below and the red indicator blinks whilst recording, video goes direct to the card and the buffer hardly even begins to fill. The frame past 600 pixels vertically is corrupt.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: slink on August 13, 2013, 10:34:22 PM
EOSHD

My KomputerBay 1000x 64gb card is displaying the exact same behavior as Andrew's.

1728x567 works and 1600x600 as well, continuous. I thought that 600px vertical was the max, however I was getting continuous recording at 1472x626 as well.

going over these resolutions vertically, I experience the same as Andrew and all of the frames are corrupted past 600px vertical. 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 01:50:06 AM
Hi everybody,
i'm really new to ML.
I just installed it and works nice (still hadn't made my CF bootable so i just have to restart ML everytime i switch the camera off, but no problem).

My issue here is that i can't shoot raw. I can't find the option in the ML menu.
I read that there are some extra files to download and replace called "7D_203.sym.txt" and "autoexec.bin" but i can't find any of them on my CF to replace with the downloaded ones.
So, maybe i'm missing something.

Sorry if i'm asking something already covered in other threads, but i tried to search for a solution and still haven't found any.
I'm obviously working on a 7D with Macbook pro OsX Lion.

Can you provide me a "dumb-proof" step by step guide to get the raw shooting option working on my camera?

Thanks to anybody that would help me.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: EOSHD on August 14, 2013, 01:58:10 AM
Stupidly, OSX adds the .txt extension when you download the file. You have to instead ctrl-click the link, choose "Download Linked File As...", make sure the filename ends with .sym not .sym.txt and then when OSX prompts you to add text file extension tell it to f**k off :)

Almost as bad behaviour as auto-save and removal of save as in many new OSX apps. Apple going down hill.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 03:01:15 AM
@ biere1

Here is your  "dumb-proof"  :D

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0

This threat only have 6 pages ::)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 03:06:26 AM
Started testing with my 1000x KomputerBay card.

1728x567 and 1600x600 at 24p = continuous.

When resolution goes above 600 pixels, no matter what the data-rate or horizontal resolution the camera switches to a mode of operation which is completely different.

It fills the buffer like Silent Pics and won't empty the buffer and write to the card at the same time. Drop to 600 or below and the red indicator blinks whilst recording, video goes direct to the card and the buffer hardly even begins to fill. The frame past 600 pixels vertically is corrupt.

Yes, is what happen. Didn't know above the 600 pixels switches to a different mode of operation.  Now we just need some one with good will (and free time) that can adjust the code  ::)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 14, 2013, 05:15:49 AM
Just wanted to share this with you guys.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 14, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
I renamed every letter so it looked something like RAW_REC.MO.


Hi!

I tried to change the letters by capital letters, but does not work. All modules work, but... when I put the "raw_rec" in modules folder do not work nothing. Also when I turn on the camera I get a message that says "is not AV Mode". I'll try another card later.

Thank you very much to all for the help!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
@britom

Love the video, love the music :D

What workflow did you use? I see also some flicker in the sky, did you use ACR in the workflow?



@juanmelchor

You need to update your raw module... but also 2 more files. In total,

7D_203.sym
autoexec.bin
raw_rec.mo



Here you will get wall the info that you need,

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.1275

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg65694#msg65694   <--- Files

Go to warning settings in ML menu and disable the warning for the Av Mode  ::)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
when I put the "raw_rec" in modules folder do not work nothing. Also when I turn on the camera I get a message that says "is not AV Mode". I'll try another card later.

See http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.msg66589#msg66589 and below.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 09:35:34 AM
Hi Guys,
thanks for your help, but i'm still not getting to the point.

I try to better explain my situation:

I've already read the instructions on the forum and already installed the alpha firmware, but not making the CF bootable.
I've installed everything following ML wiki-instructions.
Everything was pretty easy: updated to the last canon firmware, downloaded ML and run it from the camera.
It works! but i don't have any module such as raw, silent burst or any other.

So i came here and tryed to understand and i've seen there is a complete different way to install the software, but, as i'm on a mac, i got confused since i can't understand what exactly i have to do.
(in the first place it seemed i had to use eos utility, but now seems i can skip it).

I'm really sorry for bothering you with silly questions  :-[

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 09:40:24 AM
Hi Guys,
thanks for your help, but i'm still not getting to the point.

I try to better explain my situation:

I've already read the instructions on the forum and already installed the alpha firmware, but not making the CF bootable.
I've installed everything following ML wiki-instructions.
Everything was pretty easy: updated to the last canon firmware, downloaded ML and run it from the camera.
It works! but i don't have any module such as raw, silent burst or any other.

So i came here and tryed to understand and i've seen there is a complete different way to install the software, but, as i'm on a mac, i got confused since i can't understand what exactly i have to do.
(in the first place it seemed i had to use eos utility, but now seems i can skip it).

I'm really sorry for bothering you with silly questions  :-[


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 14, 2013, 10:11:40 AM
See http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.msg66589#msg66589 and below.

Ciao
Walter
@britom

Love the video, love the music :D

What workflow did you use? I see also some flicker in the sky, did you use ACR in the workflow?



@juanmelchor

You need to update your raw module... but also 2 more files. In total,

7D_203.sym
autoexec.bin
raw_rec.mo



Here you will get wall the info that you need,

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.1275

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg65694#msg65694   <--- Files

Go to warning settings in ML menu and disable the warning for the Av Mode  ::)

Hi,

Today I will try everything you have told me. Thank you very much arrinkiiii and Walter Schulz!  ;D

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 10:23:22 AM
hi arrinkiiii,
thanks for your reply, but just linking to the same instruction page doesn't help me much.

I wrote that i've read the instructions, but i get confused...mainly because they're for PC users and i'm on a mac, so some of the files i need to download don't work for me.

I also tried to follow the "if you're on a mac" posts, but (as i said before) i got confused since the information are a bit technical, spread around different posts and sometimes are different (ex: in the first place seemed that EOS utility was needed and then not).

What i asked (ad would REALLY help me) is a "mac user step by step guide" to get raw shooting so that a newbie like me can just follow along.
Thanks again.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 10:36:02 AM

I am  windows user  ??? Let see if some mac user can help you... can't help more than the instructions, sorry  :( 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: biere1 on August 14, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
no problem...thanks anyway...

any mac user out there that would help me?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jphansen on August 14, 2013, 12:47:49 PM
I'm a mac user and got it to work.. I used Prarllels to use the EOScard software.. That fixed it for me.. You can see if the new firmware is working with bootflag by the new and updated GUI

Did you enable the bootflag?

no problem...thanks anyway...

any mac user out there that would help me?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 14, 2013, 12:50:07 PM
no problem...thanks anyway...

any mac user out there that would help me?
You are trying to do impossible thing: the original, non-bootable 7DMLa2 never will work with modules.
You have to use the latest, module capable autoexec.bin for the raw_rec (and other) modules.
Just follow the instructions for the mac users and use macboot instead of EOScard to make your card bootable.
(Or just simply sell your macbook :) and buy a decent laptop)

Greetings from Sao Paolo
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 02:07:20 PM

(Or just simply sell your macbook :) and buy a decent laptop)


HAHAH  ;D 


Tudo bem cara?  Fez boa viagem? É noix!

Abraço para voçe e para toda a galera.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: slink on August 14, 2013, 03:23:10 PM
MAC USERS

There is a free trial of Paralells here:

 http://www.parallels.com/download/desktop/ (http://www.parallels.com/download/desktop/)

There is a free trial of Windows 7 from Digital River here:

http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-24209.iso (http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-24209.iso)

just follow the instructions here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0)

 ;)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DenJS on August 14, 2013, 04:01:15 PM
Hello!

A little help for mac users:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/prhvvukktwn3wfz/7D.zip

contain:

1. booton.fir - patched firmware which will enable boot flag in your camera
2. bootoff.fir - patched firmware which will disable boot flag
3. 7D000203.FIR - original firmware 2.0.3
4. MacBoot - java application wich help you make your CF card bootable
5. run – shell script to run java app properly.
6. Magic Lantern Pelican's build with all modules and fixes.

Download, unpack.
1. Enable bootflag on your camera, put booton.fir to root of your CF card, insert it in camera and update firmware, extract CF, delete booton.fir
2. Put original 7D000203.FIR to root of your CF card, insert, update, eject, delete 7D000203.FIR
3. Take any CF insert to your ugly macbook (use card reader of course), double-click "run" script, enter your admin (root) password, note that you should have installed Java (download from Oracle if not).
4. In MacBoot interface select size of CF card which you inserted and press Refresh then select "Make DSLR-bootable" and press Prepare Card
5. Copy all folders and files from "To root of CF card" folder to root of you prepared CF card ;)
6. Insert it to you lovely 7D and power on.
7. Press trashcan button, Navigate to "M" menu and load all modules
8. have a nice sex :)

P.S.
Sorry for poor English.

P.P.S.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uvrwzmy740a90b/tools.zip

This is compiled dcraw and cr2hdr you will need it in near future :)
unpack to Desktop, press Cmd-Shift-G in dialog type /usr/local/bin press enter
drag these files (dcraw and cr2hdr) to this opened window with name "bin"
open Terminal.app and try to type dcraw and press enter, you should see something like this:

DenJS-MacBookAir:~ denjs$ dcraw

Raw photo decoder "dcraw" v9.19
by Dave Coffin, dcoffin a cybercom o net

Usage:  dcraw [OPTION]... [FILE]...

if yes then you on right way...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
I installed the latest 7D build this morning, and had a mess with the silent picture burst.

Got 69 frames on the default settings and 58 frames zoomed in.

How are people getting more then 2 seconds of RAW footage though? Am I missing some settings or something?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 14, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
I installed the latest 7D build this morning, and had a mess with the silent picture burst.

Got 69 frames on the default settings and 58 frames zoomed in.

How are people getting more then 2 seconds of RAW footage though? Am I missing some settings or something?

In Silent burst mode only that frames.

Did you read this threat?  :D


And this also:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.50
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 14, 2013, 05:53:52 PM
Finally! Yes! Magiclantern with raw_rec work in my camera! :) But... while I'm recording video raw on the screen does not display the live image is frozen. Is it normal?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
In Silent burst mode only that frames.

Did you read this threat?  :D


And this also:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.50
I have downloaded the raw_rec.mo, autoexec.bin and 7D_203.sym files. I put the .mo file in the modules folder, and replaced autoexec.bin at the root of the card. There was no 7D_203.sym file to overwrite.

Started up ML and loaded the modules, but got errors for all of them and none of them loaded.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
@juanmelchor: Yes, it's just sad but the most recent version is not usable.

@mr_pablo: Download the newest EOScard utility from http://www.pel.hu/down and reinstall ML to your card. Afterwards copy those 3 files to their destinations. RAW will work then and not. See juanmelchor's post.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on August 14, 2013, 07:11:56 PM
@juanmelchor: Yes, it's just sad but the most recent version is not usable.




Walter I wouldn't call it totally unusable. While it is a pain to only be able to frame a shot, and not be able to track or follow focus, the current raw_rec module does record images to the card, and the images I've played with so far are pretty nice. Just frame a shot, hit record, capture as much as you think you can with out being able to see a live feed, end record, and then hit the menu button twice to unfreeze the display.

I'm uploading a test video with the current raw_rec build today, I'll post it here when I get around to it.

It's far from perfect, but I wouldn't discourage people from testing it. Especially since it seems we might not have a better build for a while.


Cheers, and thanks to everyone who has gotten it this far.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
@juanmelchor: Yes, it's just sad but the most recent version is not usable.

@mr_pablo: Download the newest EOScard utility from http://www.pel.hu/down and reinstall ML to your card. Afterwards copy those 3 files to their destinations. RAW will work then and not. See juanmelchor's post.

Ciao, Walter

The version of EOSCard I used this morning was the latest.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
The version of EOSCard I used this morning was the latest.

Format the card in your cardreader (NTFS or ExFat), put it into your cam, format it there, put it back to cardreader and let EOScard run. Copy the files after EOScard has written the file structure and boot record.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Format the card in your cardreader (NTFS or ExFat), put it into your cam, format it there, put it back to cardreader and let EOScard run. Copy the files after EOScard has written the file structure and boot record.

Ciao, Walter

I have done all that. I then tried to install the raw_rec.mo plugin, but it didn't work (see my original post above).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 07:54:59 PM
If you have done it once: Do it twice.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
If you have done it once: Do it twice.

Question is, why do I not see a 7D_203.sym file on a fresh ML card install?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: rodon on August 14, 2013, 08:04:22 PM
I know I'm late to the party, but I might as well put my video from last week up. I was still using RAW burst mode at the time:

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 08:14:27 PM
Question is, why do I not see a 7D_203.sym file on a fresh ML card install?

I guess you missed reading about right clicking the ML symbol. Make sure to mark "Ports in progress" and "7D 2.0.3 alpha2". Press "Save" after EOScard has downloaded the files.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 14, 2013, 08:29:21 PM
I guess you missed reading about right clicking the ML symbol. Make sure to mark "Ports in progress" and "7D 2.0.3 alpha2". Press "Save" after EOScard has downloaded the files.

Ciao
Walter

No, seeing as that is what I did in the very first place to get ML to work, minus the raw_rec.mo plugin. Stop being condescending.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 14, 2013, 08:33:21 PM
I just repeated the EOScard part on one of my cards. Sym-file is there.
I have no idea what is going wrong on your side. You are using EOScard 1.38 dated 10.Aug.2013?
EDIT: Tried again with EOScard 1.40 dated 14.Aug.2013. Sym-file is there, too.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on August 14, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
Quick test using the raw_rec module that freezes the live view.


All 60 fps, mostly 1280 x 344 but i think theres one or two that are 1600 x whatever the 2.37 aspect ratio height is.

Converted using raw magic, resized and graded in Resolve with a fuji film 3510 LUT to base off of, compiled in premiere, exported as 1280 x 720.


Here's another from about a week ago using the silent picture burst mode still and graded in ACR:



Sandisk 60 mb/s card
benchmarked at a max of 54 mb/s read and write speed.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _iLiam on August 14, 2013, 10:19:44 PM
Just to clarify, setting the raw/jpeg quality to s2 and filming in raw, still means a raw stream right? Even though the camera thinks it's in jpeg s2? Been doing some tests today with some good continuous shots and they are blowing me away. Cannot wait for live view to be sorted out. I wish I knew how to help!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dne202 on August 14, 2013, 10:36:54 PM
I know there are a lot of posts about this, and I'm not sure I've seen a reply... But is there any way we as users can create incentive in the development of the 7d RAW recording over other features?  Seems like it's just about waiting for a programmer to decide to take up the cause.  Is there a way we can do a kickstarter to pay for a programmer to work on 7d RAW for a week or something?  I know that would be something I'd be willing to pay 20 bucks for.  I know ML can't get paid for their work, but maybe a freelance wonder coder could come in and take that money to help out the team.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 15, 2013, 01:18:27 AM
I have a 7D with ML and love programming. For me is just the getting started barrier that i have to overcome :) Someone have a set up Virtual Machine to share?

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7508.msg66992#msg66992

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 15, 2013, 01:58:05 AM
..
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 15, 2013, 02:26:41 AM
Hi Ted  :D

uhmmm, not really, just for awser to dne202.

In some level i agree with dne202 but in the other side ML have a different philosophy. But only the masters will know what to do.

And talking about philosophy... looks we got a programmer that whats to give a try, Bx3mE. But let see my friend, were the wind take us    ;D

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 15, 2013, 02:32:13 AM
I hope help will come soon or else I too will practice my rain dance moves! I'll bring maracas!

On a serious note I have high hopes especially if the dual iso can also go to video in 7D as i notice better color aliasing handling on a dual iso image than that in normal mode.

This is based on resolution chart tests which i also sent to a1ex.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 15, 2013, 02:39:36 AM
Pelican has just updated EOScard.

EOScard 1.40 fixes:
- during unzipping ML files and folders it creates the empty folders (e.g. scripts) and preserve file dates
- info hint on autoexec.bin (version if found, date, size)

his link is here: http://pel.hu/eoscard/


edit fixed link.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 15, 2013, 02:44:35 AM
Pelican has just updated EOScard.

his link is here: http://pel.hu/down

There is a dedicated page for it: http://pel.hu/eoscard
Also you can find all the original firmwares on it.

Edit: Thanks for the fix!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 15, 2013, 02:49:30 AM
I hope help will come soon or else I too will practice my rain dance moves! I'll bring maracas!

lol  marcas time  ;D   Indeed Ted

Im not complaining, quite the contrary, love the ML team and community. But we, 7D users, been suffering from the last ML, only now we have the autoboot (thank good for that=) Then the show up of the RAW... but what a beautiful day that was.  And then... then our hoppes went down.

For you see how much i like ML, i have donate some money for the people from 50D threat  having money to buy a 50D camera to 1% to continuous the work, and i don't have a 50D  :)

We are now felling the beginning of raw in our beloved 7D, but this can never even happen.. maybe because of the dual processors or just because no developer want's to program. As always i have faith that one day our camera will have raw in good conditions... and maybe because of the dual processor we going have 100fps  ;D

Big up for the ML team and comunity for the path they build.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 15, 2013, 02:57:57 AM
Im not complaining, quite the contrary, love the ML team and community. But we, 7D users, been suffering from the last ML, only now we have the autoboot (thank good for that=) Then the show up of the RAW... but what a beautiful day that was.  And then... then our hoppes went down.

We are now felling the begging of raw in our beloved 7D, but this can never even happen.. maybe because of the dual processors or just because no developer want's to program.

Please, be more patient. The developers has life too, they don't work 7/24 for you. This is summertime and I guess everybody on a holiday. I'm also excited with all this new features but believe me, begging doesn't help at all...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 15, 2013, 03:21:10 AM
Please, be more patient. The developers has life too, they don't work 7/24 for you. This is summertime and I guess everybody on a holiday. I'm also excited with all this new features but believe me, begging doesn't help at all...

lol ...not begging, quite the contrary. Sorry bad writing i meant to say "beginning" in the post and not beggin  ;D   Im already very happy with the new ML, the autoboot is just like being in heaven   ;D   

With no doubt that we are pass excited days, oiééé   

Hollidays... how i wish   :)

(sorry for the bad english)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Scott7D on August 15, 2013, 03:40:08 AM
Yes, is what happen. Didn't know above the 600 pixels switches to a different mode of operation.  Now we just need some one with good will (and free time) that can adjust the code  ::)

Hello all!
I've been reading the various threads off and on for a couple weeks now and have a few questions since we are at a break.

So is it the latest 7D raw code keeping the camera from writing above 600px in height for continuous raw video?

Maybe I can ask it another way...is the code just not efficient/fast enough for the camera hardware to use/compute to allow higher pixel heights?

Could the 7D hardware buffer support larger (>600px) frame size heights?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 15, 2013, 11:14:30 PM
Hello all!
I've been reading the various threads off and on for a couple weeks now and have a few questions since we are at a break.

So is it the latest 7D raw code keeping the camera from writing above 600px in height for continuous raw video?

Maybe I can ask it another way...is the code just not efficient/fast enough for the camera hardware to use/compute to allow higher pixel heights?

Could the 7D hardware buffer support larger (>600px) frame size heights?

The 7D can already shoot 2.5k in short bursts. It's just a matter of getting raw_rec module to run properly and hopefully we can get 1080p recording. The hardware is already fast enough, 1080p raw requires about 83MB/s write speed and the 7D is benchmarked at 91MB/s write speed.

Also, looks like g3gg0 is busy with the ML RAW video format thingy. It's going to take a while until one of the supreme masters take a look at raw_rec for the 7D.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jphansen on August 15, 2013, 11:45:14 PM
Sorry have been away for the last couple ofg days.. Any new updates to the raw_rec files or anything else?  :o
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 16, 2013, 03:37:45 AM
Sorry have been away for the last couple ofg days.. Any new updates to the raw_rec files or anything else?  :o

alas the Gods are on vacation. But not to worry, they left us with arkanoid to keep us mere mortals occupied.   :)




...seriously, nothing new yet.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 16, 2013, 03:51:32 AM
I've looked everywhere, but no luck... Could somebody for the love of Magic Lantern tell me where to download new files for 7D raw video shooting and the workflow for FCPX?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 16, 2013, 04:04:12 AM
I've looked everywhere, but no luck... Could somebody for the love of Magic Lantern tell me where to download new files for 7D raw video shooting and the workflow for FCPX?

this was the latest raw_rec posted by Thomas worth; http://www.mediafire.com/download/17wrac41a1oi4bu/raw_rec.mo

Still needs a lot of work since live view freezes when recording starts.

The resolutions are still limited due to frame corruption in higher resolution.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: aedude01 on August 16, 2013, 05:41:26 AM
It's nothing fantastic, but here's some footage I shot tonight.  Note: this is my first attempt, so it's not amazing.  LOL.

A few notes on what I did:  A raw video test shot using the still "burst" mode and RAW video 960x386 modes.  The raw burst mode dropped frames constantly also line skipping is apparent, but only on some frames.  The RAW video performed much better frame rate wise, but the noise was much worse.  Memory card used: Kingston 32GB 133X Compact Flash.

For some reason, in "burst" mode, every other line comes out white.  It doesn't really show up on the YouTube video, yet it appears interlaced IRL.  Not sure why.

Thoughts, comments?  Please share.

Title: cr2hdr options (7D Raw Thread)
Post by: frogcement on August 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
I'm looking for some info on the cr2hdr app, && this seems like an ok pace to ask. I can't seem to find any info
For command line switches for this. I'm using this on win xp, my Linux box is down indefinitely and the windows console blows compared to zsh. Thanks for any info.
Cheers....
K.C.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 16, 2013, 08:32:27 AM
this was the latest raw_rec posted by Thomas worth; http://www.mediafire.com/download/17wrac41a1oi4bu/raw_rec.mo

Still needs a lot of work since live view freezes when recording starts.

The resolutions are still limited due to frame corruption in higher resolution.

Thank you Ted.

Title: Re: cr2hdr options (7D Raw Thread)
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 16, 2013, 11:53:16 AM
I'm looking for some info on the cr2hdr app, && this seems like an ok pace to ask. I can't seem to find any info
For command line switches for this. I'm using this on win xp, my Linux box is down indefinitely and the windows console blows compared to zsh. Thanks for any info.
Cheers....
K.C.

They have upload a new version

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 16, 2013, 04:04:04 PM
Test build (16/08/2013) :

- Same raw module errors
- Digic Peaking (Thanks Alex!)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 16, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
Thanks britom  :D


If i am correct, some good info about Digic Peaking

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2403.msg9470#msg9470



@feureau

Thanks for the info, its good to know   :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 16, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
Hi people,

* Does anybody know what exactly is missing in 7D raw from the Raw shooting feature that is available for Mark III?
* I read someone saying it will never record continuous full HD in 7D because of the speed of its CF card reader or something?
* What exactly is this silent picture, and how is it different than RAW video capture?

Thank you!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 17, 2013, 12:38:39 AM
@Ozgur

* continous raw recording is still missing, and higher resolutions are still missing (for now only 600px height works) - this will eventually be fixed
* CF speed on 7D is fast enough so , yes it will be able to shot continuous HD, if not 1980p then something really close to it (don't forget that 2.5K works in 7D)
* silent picture burst mode means that camera takes 24 pictures in one second (silent because mirror is locked) and keeps on taking this pictures until the buffer is full, then it stops. Difference between raw video is that you get number of picture files that you need to make as a video (like time lapse videos), and you can only record a certain numbers of pictures (until buffer gets overloaded), raw video on the other hand gives you one raw video file that you can process afterwards and can provide continuous shooting
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on August 17, 2013, 03:47:31 AM
Some benchmarks on the 7D show write speeds of about 88 MB/sec. Reliably though, 80 MB/sec is what others are getting. Now, despite this, the silent pic mode isn't able to write out files at this speed on a regular basis. I don't know why specifically, wish I didn't have my embedded project taking up my time so I could help, but the silent pics are writing out slower than 80 MB/sec in some cases.

According to this, (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=65856;topic=3974.1225;last_msg=66866") the data rates come out to (in MB/sec)
24 fps & 30 fps
1728 x 576 - 39.87,  49.83
1600 x 534 - 34.22,  42.78
1472 x 626 - 36.91,  46.14
1344 x 610 - 32.84,  41.05
1280 x 582 - 29.84,  37.30
1152 x 622 - 28.70,  35.88

60 fps
1728 x 308 - 53.29
1600 x 382 - 61.20
1472 x 420 - 61.91
1344 x 436 - 58.68
1280 x 486 - 62.29
1152 x 464 - 53.53


Though for higher resolutions (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=65831;topic=3974.1200;last_msg=66866"), assumed 24 fps, we have (in MB/sec):
1736x1156 - 80.38
2520x1200 - 121.12


Now, if we assume 80 MB/sec our top end speed, @ 14 bits, gives us:
~1.997 MP pixels a frame @ 24 fps
~1.6 MP pixels a frame @ 30 fps
~0.8 MP pixels a frame @ 60 fps

For the following aspect ratios, assuming that we can achieve a continuous ~80 MB/sec +/- 0.5 MB/sec, the maximum frame sizes are:
FR      3:2         16:9         2.35:1
23.976   1728 x 1152   1892 x 1056   2176 x 920
29.97   1550 x 1032   1696 x 944   1944 x 824
59.94   1088 x 736   1192 x 672   1368 x 584

Just demonstrating theoretical in case anyone has the time to test and push the boundaries of our hardware.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: emmikiruba on August 17, 2013, 05:22:36 AM
Thanks a lot Alex! It is excellent - Digic peaking - perfect for focusing, But how we are going to solve the Live View issue? Excitement increased manifold but waiting at the peak! few more moments .... to perfect the excitement.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: emmikiruba on August 17, 2013, 05:34:59 AM
Is that 'focusing distance' a new script or was existing there?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _iLiam on August 17, 2013, 12:42:20 PM

Quick little test at 1600x600 continuous. I was using a sandisk 60mb/s however I have just received a 1000x card in preperation  ;D

The full res render in after effects looks insanely sharp, I had to compress the size down for vimeo but it still looks so much better than anything we had before!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 17, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Lets try to continue working on this.

The current raw_rec module for the 7D freezes the liveview when recording is started. It happens in any preview mode. When taking silent pics in burst mode, we still have liveview while the images are being recorded to the buffer, but when recording video with the raw module, the buffer instantly saves the images to the card and the liveview freezes is causing this, might be because of the way the 7d is engineered.

Anybody has something to comment on this? Am i on drugs?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 17, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
the great g3gg0 is busy with the mlv writing. his goal is probably writing 2.5k to cf only. when that is achieved. we might hope that the write module can be used to write lv to cf.

the most promising thing for me is to compress lv to 10bit..then all camera will have decent 2.5k raw output. but g3gg0 is too busy.

 so we can only be patient
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 17, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
Lets try to continue working on this.

The current raw_rec module for the 7D freezes the liveview when recording is started. It happens in any preview mode. When taking silent pics in burst mode, we still have liveview while the images are being recorded to the buffer, but when recording video with the raw module, the buffer instantly saves the images to the card and the liveview freezes is causing this, might be because of the way the 7d is engineered.

Anybody has something to comment on this? Am i on drugs?

hahah  :D  im on drugs and i can say it's true. Let's hope that some dev grab this and continuous the work. More a little bit and we got 1080 raw.

the great g3gg0 is busy with the mlv writing. his goal is probably writing 2.5k to cf only. when that is achieved. we might hope that the write module can be used to write lv to cf.

the most promising thing for me is to compress lv to 10bit..then all camera will have decent 2.5k raw output. but g3gg0 is too busy.

 so we can only be patient

2.5k in 10bit it will be wonderful  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 17, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
Is it possible to run the dual iso, raw burst and raw modules on the 7D without the "risky" autoboot?  Maybe I'm just plain stupid, but I've read these 7D threads up and down, followed various instructions and can't get the "Modules Tab" to appear. 

And I can't seem to get (or find) that nice Benchmark Test that everyone posts their results with (mine only does two or three lines and that's it! FYI using a Komputerbay 1000x 64gb).

Am I missing something here...?  Pathetic, I know, but if someone could help, I would be eternally grateful!  Love ML and my 7D, just can't seem to get the latest and greatest up and running!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 17, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
AFAIK you can't set the camera's bootflag using a card with 64 GByte capacity.
I had the same benchmark problem with the non-bootable alpha 2 version.

My advice: Buy a cheap slower card (up to 32 GByte) and use this one for initialization and first tests.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 17, 2013, 09:17:42 PM
AFAIK you can't set the camera's bootflag using a card with 64 GByte capacity.
I had the same benchmark problem with the non-bootable alpha 2 version.

Is this accurate? I thought the issue was only with 128gb cards. This is the first I've heard that 64gb cards can be a problem.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 17, 2013, 09:31:06 PM
http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/install#step_1_preparing_your_camera
"For first install, use a simple SD/SDHC/CF card (32 GB or smaller). 64GB cards and larger will not work for first install (but you can use them with ML, see below)."

I read about compatibility hickups with some Komputerbay 128 GByte cards. Looks like some information mixup ...

Ciao,  Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 18, 2013, 01:00:05 AM
Is this accurate? I thought the issue was only with 128gb cards. This is the first I've heard that 64gb cards can be a problem.

There is no problem with 64gig 1000x cards. You can use them run ML.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 18, 2013, 01:44:15 AM
Does this mean you can use it without limitations? Including camera initialization (setting bootflag)?
If so: The installation docu needs an update.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 18, 2013, 01:50:05 AM
Thanks for the words of advice.  Got it up and running with my 16gb 500x.

I think my Komputerbay 1000x 64gb may be one of the "duds."  When I benchmarked it, the Write speeds were 45 to 61 MB/sec and the Read speeds were 41 to 67 MB/s.  Seems to be WAY OFF what others here get with the same CF card!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 18, 2013, 02:23:49 AM
Contact Komputerbay's support and ask for replacement. I read this procedure worked very well for other people with this problem.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dklamie on August 18, 2013, 04:45:27 AM
Does this mean you can use it without limitations? Including camera initialization (setting bootflag)?
If so: The installation docu needs an update.

Ciao
Walter

Had no problem setting bootflag with Transcend 400X 64 GB... Just remembered I used EOS Util... somebody else verify it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 18, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
New test in raw with 1728x576 px

   


Workflow: from raw i use batchelor (raw2dng) that give me the dng's. From dng's i open in after effects, adjust some setting in ACR and make proxy's and after i edit and color correction/grade. Then just export in h.264.

First time that i work with proxy's and i love it.

I got some flicker in the sky, any one knows why? (going investigate)

Card: Sandisk 8GB - 60MB/s
Recorded: ISO 100
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 18, 2013, 07:59:02 PM
New test in raw with 1728x576 px

   


Workflow: from raw i use batchelor (raw2dng) that give me the dng's. From dng's i open in after effects, adjust some setting in ACR and make proxy's and after i edit and color correction/grade. Then just export in h.264.

First time that i work with proxy's and i love it.

I got some flicker in the sky, any one knows why? (going investigate)

Card: Sandisk 8GB - 60MB/s
Recorded: ISO 100

U get flicker all around the picture, there is not a single line without flicker :S
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 18, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
@Ozgur

Flicker in exposure ? In the video just noted in one clip or two. I think is from ACR.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 18, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
@Ozgur

Flicker in exposure ? In the video just noted in one clip or two. I think is from ACR.

Aliasing on the lines of the court and the basketball pole and the frame... I don't know the workflow for RAW video but It looks like exporting error.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 18, 2013, 09:00:19 PM
Had no problem setting bootflag with Transcend 400X 64 GB... Just remembered I used EOS Util... somebody else verify it.

just verified it. I have tested it. Using 64gig, 128gig 800x Komputerbay and 32gig, 64gig and just last night a 128gig 1000x Komputerbay CF.

We just verified that CAPACITY is not the limitation but cf card firmware.
On the 128gig Komputerbay, we were trying to find out which firmware on what chip controller works.
We just found that older firmware makes the camera "see" the bootflag enabe on the cf card compared to newer versions on the same card.

Until that's sorted out stick to 32 and 64 gig cards.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 18, 2013, 09:03:04 PM
Flicker on the lines of the court and the basketball pole and the frame... I don't know the workflow for RAW video but It looks like exporting error.

That is NOT called Flicker but its called Aliasing. Flicker is usually a temporal term.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 18, 2013, 09:07:19 PM
That is NOT called Flicker but its called Aliasing. Flicker is usually a temporal term.

Absolutely! My fault, I meant Aliasing...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 18, 2013, 09:56:10 PM
Aliasing on the lines of the court and the basketball pole and the frame... I don't know the workflow for RAW video but It looks like exporting error.

Indeed, aliasing is in the table, the lines of the court, etc.. thank god that i use tripod  ::)  7D got moire and aliasing, that the VAF can fix that, at least most of. 

http://www.mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/7d.html

Exporting error? i don't think is that, but the flicker in the exposure in some images yes, maybe from ACR. I use raw2dng im going to try different app to see if exist any differences. 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 19, 2013, 02:01:39 AM
I know I'm late to the party, but I might as well put my video from last week up. I was still using RAW burst mode at the time:


Irrelevant but I was at the parl you shot your little video the other week. Cool place :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on August 19, 2013, 05:39:31 AM
Nice!! Was it shot at 2.5k?

I have a question.. WHY do we have a lot of alisasing and moire on 7D, same as 5D2 and others... I mean, the 7D when shooting H264 does NOT have that HUGE amount of moire.. it just has a tiny biy, which makes it completely usable!! But the raw.. it just makes the footage not usable at all if you do a wide-shot..

I'm thinking.. if it makes the same extact line-skipping to get to 1920x1080 as the H264 does... then, why?? And, it could be possible to fix it right??

Thanks!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 19, 2013, 06:57:24 AM
First tried the raw method with continuous shooting... still low resolution but it's a beginning of a great thing :) I can't wait for once the Live View frozen issue got fixed
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 19, 2013, 07:02:58 AM
I can't wait for once the Live View frozen issue got fixed

I'm dying slowly too...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 19, 2013, 08:29:37 AM
Test build (16/08/2013) :


- Added bolt_rec.mo, autoexpo.mo, ettr.mo
- Updated dual_iso.mo and pic_view.mo

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 19, 2013, 08:31:24 AM
--edit: question answered.

Thanks for the update Britom
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 19, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
Thank you again britom  :D


I start to to panning with freeze Lv... i call it blind-pan  ::)


Info:

Bolt Trigger
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6303.0

Auto Exposure
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0

Dual ISO
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0

ETTR
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.0


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 19, 2013, 03:53:06 PM
I start to to panning with freeze Lv... i call it blind-pan

Lol I do the exact same thing :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on August 19, 2013, 07:38:22 PM
Sorry, but cant find a guide how to shoot in RAW. Maybe add it in a first post?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 19, 2013, 09:31:25 PM
Sorry, but cant find a guide how to shoot in RAW. Maybe add it in a first post?

If you already have the raw module install just go to M tab in ML menu and load raw module. Go to video tab in ML menu and activate the raw, choose your frame size and you are good to go.

 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 19, 2013, 09:40:38 PM
Nice!! Was it shot at 2.5k?

I have a question.. WHY do we have a lot of alisasing and moire on 7D, same as 5D2 and others... I mean, the 7D when shooting H264 does NOT have that HUGE amount of moire.. it just has a tiny biy, which makes it completely usable!! But the raw.. it just makes the footage not usable at all if you do a wide-shot..

I'm thinking.. if it makes the same extact line-skipping to get to 1920x1080 as the H264 does... then, why?? And, it could be possible to fix it right??

Thanks!!

I did my first RAW tests with my 7D over the weekend and let me tell you as a Former Red One Owner, the 7D sensor is miles ahead of the original Red M Sensor.  I shot using the 2.35:1 - 1472x626 (which is slightly more total pixels than traditional 720p).  It blew my mind.

I rendered out these images from AE CS6 to CineForm 444 1080p24 avi's and compared to similarly transcoded Red files.  Here's the Truth:  The Canon 7D footage is deeper, richer and definitely more Film-like than the Red One (and I don't say this lightly: I'm one of those guys that shot in 65mm Super Panavision and did own the Red).  In the end, the Red One is too bulky, gets WAY TOO HOT and the RAW images are just way too...RAW (takes too long to grade a Red Image).  And with Magic Lantern RAW for the 7D, the Red is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.  I can't believe how little tweaking the 7D RAW footage needed to look so....RICH!

Magic Lantern is really doing something truly special here.  My hat's off to all involved.  This really does change the game.  These great software guru's have proved to me that at this level Bit depth becomes truly more relevant than pixels.

Man, I wish I could write code!  I know the 7D is a struggle because of it's hardware architecture, but let's hope the ML folks stay at it!  It's definitely worth it!

BTW, I use the VAF filter on my 7D and there's ZERO ALIASING.  Get a VAF filter and forget about it.  You won't regret it.  It's a wondrous optical device.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 19, 2013, 10:09:54 PM
I did my first RAW tests with my 7D over the weekend and let me tell you as a Former Red One Owner, the 7D sensor is miles ahead of the original Red M Sensor.  I shot using the 2.35:1 - 1472x626 (which is slightly more total pixels than traditional 720p).  It blew my mind.

I rendered out these images from AE CS6 to CineForm 444 1080p24 avi's and compared to similarly transcoded Red files.  Here's the Truth:  The Canon 7D footage is deeper, richer and definitely more Film-like than the Red One (and I don't say this lightly: I'm one of those guys that shot in 65mm Super Panavision and did own the Red).  In the end, the Red One is too bulky, gets WAY TOO HOT and the RAW images are just way too...RAW (takes too long to grade a Red Image).  And with Magic Lantern RAW for the 7D, the Red is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.  I can't believe how little tweaking the 7D RAW footage needed to look so....RICH!

Magic Lantern is really doing something truly special here.  My hat's off to all involved.  This really does change the game.  These great software guru's have proved to me that at this level Bit depth becomes truly more relevant than pixels.

Man, I wish I could write code!  I know the 7D is a struggle because of it's hardware architecture, but let's hope the ML folks stay at it!  It's definitely worth it!

BTW, I use the VAF filter on my 7D and there's ZERO ALIASING.  Get a VAF filter and forget about it.  You won't regret it.  It's a wondrous optical device.

I'd love to see some of your graded (and ungraded if you're interested) tests.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on August 19, 2013, 10:40:20 PM
I did my first RAW tests with my 7D over the weekend and let me tell you as a Former Red One Owner, the 7D sensor is miles ahead of the original Red M Sensor.  I shot using the 2.35:1 - 1472x626 (which is slightly more total pixels than traditional 720p).  It blew my mind.

I rendered out these images from AE CS6 to CineForm 444 1080p24 avi's and compared to similarly transcoded Red files.  Here's the Truth:  The Canon 7D footage is deeper, richer and definitely more Film-like than the Red One (and I don't say this lightly: I'm one of those guys that shot in 65mm Super Panavision and did own the Red).  In the end, the Red One is too bulky, gets WAY TOO HOT and the RAW images are just way too...RAW (takes too long to grade a Red Image).  And with Magic Lantern RAW for the 7D, the Red is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.  I can't believe how little tweaking the 7D RAW footage needed to look so....RICH!

Magic Lantern is really doing something truly special here.  My hat's off to all involved.  This really does change the game.  These great software guru's have proved to me that at this level Bit depth becomes truly more relevant than pixels.

Man, I wish I could write code!  I know the 7D is a struggle because of it's hardware architecture, but let's hope the ML folks stay at it!  It's definitely worth it!

BTW, I use the VAF filter on my 7D and there's ZERO ALIASING.  Get a VAF filter and forget about it.  You won't regret it.  It's a wondrous optical device.

Wow, it's so great to read this from someone with your background!! Can't imagine what you'll think about the 5D3 then, hehe.

I'm interested in knowing about the Cineform 444.. it must be the equivalent to ProRes 444 right?? I'd like to know how much disk space have you saved with the convertion and how much quality did you loose (if any).. does it convert the 14bit to 10bit or something???

Regarding the VAF filter.. I'm impressed.. all the tests I've seen are like the original footage (withour vaf) but ALL blurred out, I mean, the lines the sensor skipped are still not there.. they just blur everything.. there are NO vibrations of course but the details are lost anyway...

Again, would love to see some test footage of yours :)

Thank you very much! Have a good day!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 20, 2013, 12:47:24 AM
Man, I'd love to have a 5D3, but then my Tokina 11-16 2.8 would be useless...

I've been with CineForm from nearly the beginning (I had a JVC GYHD100 and the only way you could transcode the files to PC was with CineForm).  It's a great codec and a great product with patient, competent support folks.  The 444 CineForm avi is 12-bit, so there's only a little loss in going from a 14-bit original (a huge PLUS).  The 422 CineForm avi is 10-bit and in most instances it's indistinguishable from the original.  File sizes are very good and you can choose from 5 quality settings (Low, Medium, High, FilmScan 1 and FilmScan 2) I tend to use FilmScan 1, the perfect balance of pristine quality and manageable file size. (sorry, sounds like a sales pitch, trust me, I'm not on their payroll, just a very pleased customer!)

With the VAF, yes it's true you can't get something for nothing, if the lines are skipped, they're skipped,  but it really doesn't appear to have a "blurred" quality to me.  Overall, very little trade-off, way more up-side.  BTW, In Canon's native 1080p24 H.264 format, you can resolve about 760-800 lines of resolution.  In ML RAW with a smaller frame 1472x626 I'm getting at least that performance already....Interesting.

Shot some more today.  I just wish the Live View wouldn't freeze when you start recording, probably an easy bug to work out.  The image is just plain VIVID compared to the Red.  Red One images were very dull and lifeless out of the camera.  You really had to finesse the life back into a Red shot.  And let's be honest here, the Red has some serious aliasing issues of it's own.  A moving/panning chain-link fence shot in 4K, downsampled to 1080p with Redcine-X was NASTY looking, distracting and unnatural.

I'm not positive about this yet, but everything I've shot and seen in the 7D ML RAW format seems to have less rolling-shutter "tearing" than the H.264 7D footage.  More testing by myself and others needed though!  It could be that it's exactly the same, but the H.264 compression makes those rolling-shutter artifacts more pronounced.  Either way it's a potential plus.  Anyone noticed this on the 5D3 or other cameras using ML RAW?

Working on getting some of these tests up.  I just hate truncating them to H.264 for Vimeo or YouTube, doesn't really do a ML RAW shot justice.  I'd be happy to send interested ML'ers the CineForm files, but they're 1GB+ so that's not realistic.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Hitchck on August 20, 2013, 01:29:14 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...

If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 20, 2013, 01:38:35 AM
For those interested here are some comparison between h264 , 1728 x 576 , 2.5k and 2.5k graded

Right click and choose to view the images for full size

1080p H264
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2868%2F9510110480_73483ac162_o.jpg&hash=f005f37dd358bc1fc1596d4e599ffc51)

1728 x 576 RAW
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7407%2F9510109570_c8f3c7b319_o.jpg&hash=36a7670a4d8e1dd4b454040783b752e6)

2.5k RAW
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2864%2F9507317099_e2193e8bd6_o.jpg&hash=9dfd0f9fb255e8e083adf40f0f7d1cb0)

2.5k RAW Graded
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7343%2F9510108772_2fd09383e5_o.jpg&hash=2053856bdb76a83a184f082d5e27bc9d)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 20, 2013, 01:57:09 AM
@chroma

Its nice to ear about that. Maybe you can put some pic's for comparison. Red raw Vs 7D raw  :D

@Hitchck

What you trying to say is you can record raw in the 7D with your Small HD LCD and not have the freeze bug?

@kh3naz

Raw is just wonderful  ;D

@ML Team

Nice upgrade on the web site  ::)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 20, 2013, 02:00:01 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...

If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this

That's actually a really great catch. I've never seen that before. It's a bummer to lose focus peaking, but at least I can see what I'm shooting. Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 20, 2013, 02:04:23 AM
@Hitchck

What you trying to say is you can record raw in the 7D with your Small HD LCD and not have the freeze bug?


No, he's saying that you can turn on the false color overlays and still see what you're shooting while shooting raw. It definitely works, though the false color overlays aren’t quite real-time.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff.cl.ly%2Fitems%2F283Q3s1f393f0S0b2n3L%2FVRAM0.BMP&hash=b4c665591535c7378a4d3c535772aba0)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 20, 2013, 02:21:17 AM
-Maybe im doing something wrong or understand wrong. I turn on the false color overlay and change to Samll HD but my Lv stay freeze wend i record raw video.


-It work now! I turn off and on the camera and worked.

Thank you  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crazyd on August 20, 2013, 03:56:45 AM
we can turn off the zoom x10 funtion to avoid some freeze bug . The False color funtion still has some freeze bug ( we change setting number but nothing happen ) just press preview again. I think this is great idea for using LV on 7d in this time. Thanks you again for your discover.!

Sorry for my bad english.!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tickerguy on August 20, 2013, 05:36:28 AM
AFAIK you can't set the camera's bootflag using a card with 64 GByte capacity.
I had the same benchmark problem with the non-bootable alpha 2 version.

My advice: Buy a cheap slower card (up to 32 GByte) and use this one for initialization and first tests.

Ciao
Walter

Yes you can.  It works on my 64GB card.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 20, 2013, 08:27:58 AM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...

If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this

Wow... nice find! I can see now!! lol

Thank you!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: aaphotog on August 20, 2013, 10:09:11 AM
Just hit the zoom button that you would normally use for focusing. It'll bring you to a X5 zoom. It will then capture 2.5k raw images.
I have a 5d3 so I could be wrong. hitting the zoom button on my camera may SAY 5x, but in actuality is only recording a 3x crop. ALSO, when you do hit the zoom button, it will NOT record 2.5k. You actually have to go back into the raw recording menu and change the recording size from whatever resolution you have it set to to 2.5k. Hitting the zoom button, simply gives you the option to do it. It doesn't do it for you.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on August 20, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
If you already have the raw module install just go to M tab in ML menu and load raw module. Go to video tab in ML menu and activate the raw, choose your frame size and you are good to go.
Thanks. But is there any info about max resolution and CF cards from different manufactures that works fine?
And what program do I need to use to open raw video files?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: lol_lol_2512 on August 20, 2013, 12:06:42 PM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...

If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this

Thank you for sharing. Just went from having a frozen liveview to grayscale liveview...awesome!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _iLiam on August 20, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Maybe I'm just the last one to notice this, but it seems like false color overlays continue to work during raw recording. I've just been switching to the "small hd" mode, which allows me to track and focus reasonably well. Of course the downside is that you only get monochrome on screen, but that seems like a small price to me for raw video...

If this is common knowledge, then sorry for sounding redundant. I'm figuring there are at least a few people out there who aren't aware of this

This is seriously amazing. I had never tried the small hd setting in false colour and it works very very well! 1000x better than having to guess with a frozen live-view, thank you!  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Hitchck on August 20, 2013, 12:41:23 PM
Thank you for sharing. Just went from having a frozen liveview to grayscale liveview...awesome!

Progress in small steps  ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 20, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
No, he's saying that you can turn on the false color overlays and still see what you're shooting while shooting raw. It definitely works, though the false color overlays aren’t quite real-time.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff.cl.ly%2Fitems%2F283Q3s1f393f0S0b2n3L%2FVRAM0.BMP&hash=b4c665591535c7378a4d3c535772aba0)

Hi!

Is solved frozen image while recording raw video?  ???
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 20, 2013, 01:17:09 PM

With this trick yes. It have the downside of it but is better then have the screen freeze. You try it  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 20, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
With this trick yes. It have the downside of it but is better then have the screen freeze. You try it  :D

Hi! I tried to put the false color option: Small HD...  but the image continue freeze while I am recording raw video. Can you explain me another time? I don't now what I'm doing wrong :-(

Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 20, 2013, 05:25:21 PM
Hi! I tried to put the false color option: Small HD...  but the image continue freeze while I am recording raw video. Can you explain me another time? I don't now what I'm doing wrong :-(

Thanks!

Turn off the camera and turn it back on... and try again... it should work
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 20, 2013, 10:51:27 PM
Question:

I tried but I couldn't find "Override FPS" from within Magic Lantern for 7D Alpha... I see it says 23.976 on the overlay but how do I change that.. idk, maybe to 60 or 30 fps? I tried to use Canon menu to change it but it doesn't change what magic lantern shows on the over lay... it only changes the resolution in the raw video menu... anyone could help me?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 21, 2013, 12:16:03 AM

It's not working in ML menu. But i think you can change to 60fps in canon menu.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: zero on August 21, 2013, 11:55:59 AM
A quick test video using the raw_rec.mo
shot at 1600x534

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 21, 2013, 12:15:27 PM
A quick test video using the raw_rec.mo
shot at 1600x534



The video is set to private.... :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 21, 2013, 03:12:14 PM
When trying RAW 1720, I only get 100~ frames. Is this correct?

Also, yesterday I was getting an error message about corrupt data when the camera was trying to save the footage after recording. How do I fix this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 21, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
When trying RAW 1720, I only get 100~ frames. Is this correct?

Also, yesterday I was getting an error message about corrupt data when the camera was trying to save the footage after recording. How do I fix this?

You need to lower your resolution for you card be able to record continuous. Or buy a better/fast fc card  ::)

What card do you have?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on August 21, 2013, 03:25:34 PM
Hmm, first time I tried it, it was fine. Only started happening the times after.

Its a crappy 133x 8gb card. Really need to buy some new cards...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 21, 2013, 03:41:49 PM
Hmm, first time I tried it, it was fine. Only started happening the times after.

Its a crappy 133x 8gb card. Really need to buy some new cards...

Strange... but definitely you need a faster card for getting continuous recording at 1720p  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 21, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
Had a little time off, and tried out silent picture burst mode and RAW video on my 7D. . . I am impressed. There are still quite a few issues but now I am sure that they will be solved in near future.

I was able to get up to 35 frames in 2.5K mode, up to 45 standard mode with silent picture burst. (I'm loving the 2.5K)
Also I am able to get around 10 seconds of raw video in 1600x600.

CF card used is Kingston Ultimate 600X 16GB. (Which is writing 20 Mb/s, but Kingston claims read/write speed of 90 Mb/s )

I need to spend some money for 1000x 32 or 64GB I guess...this won't do it...

Great work guys!

And thanks everybody on the forum, I've been reading closely past month or so... ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Kim on August 21, 2013, 09:05:59 PM
Hi,

I have been following the discussion for some time but I use only the alpha2 official releases version on my 7D.

Is the build you tried a "bootflag disabled" or necessarily enabled version? Does the live view freeze?

I would like to try it on my 7D, but I do not know where to get a version to use on a mac and which does not have  these two issues. Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 21, 2013, 09:20:11 PM
@ hbr

Welcome to the club  :D

I think that you can get more frames in silent picture and continuous video with your card. In canon menu disable raw and put only the last jpeg option. With this a think you will get more frames. In raw video if this does't work lower the resolution in the raw menu.

@kim

For use the news functions in your 7D you need to bootflag your camera. Yes, with this version of raw video for the 7D the Lv freeze. But you got a solution for that, is in the ML menu put  false color option: Small HD. Is not the best solution but it works.

For mac  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.msg67944#msg67944

For win http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 21, 2013, 11:04:34 PM
@arrinkiiii thanks for the heads up.

with picture quality set to S in Canon Menu I can get up to 60 2.5K in burst mode and up to 70 the normal size ones ;-)

write speed in raw video still 20 mb/s
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 21, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
@arrinkiiii thanks for the heads up.

with picture quality set to S in Canon Menu I can get up to 60 2.5K in burst mode and up to 70 the normal size ones ;-)

write speed in raw video still 20 mb/s

u welcome  :)

Uhmmm... with this build/version never go above 600. In this moment im able to record continuous 1728x 576 by 3:1  My card is also slow for raw, it's a sandisk 8Gb 60mb/s   ...but even with a 1000x the record speed/frame rate is almost the same because of this build/version for the 7D. Hope this limitations and the Lv freeze will be fix soon.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: frogcement on August 22, 2013, 03:03:07 AM
Is it possible to run the dual iso, raw burst and raw modules on the 7D without the "risky" autoboot?  Maybe I'm just plain stupid, but I've read these 7D threads up and down, followed various instructions and can't get the "Modules Tab" to appear.

Idk whats so risky about setting the boot flag on the camera to auto boot.... Worked like a charm && zero problems for me, I'd say go for it..... FWIW, I've boot flagged 3 400d's (for the 400plus hack) and 2 7d's and 1 50d and 1 5d mkIII, all without incident.... Can someone fill me in on what could go wrong when bootflagging a body?
--
K.C.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Kim on August 22, 2013, 07:11:45 AM
I suppose that two serious issues with bootflag are:
1- "bootflag on" makes the camera much slower to start which is problematic when you want the camera to be quickly available for shooting.
2- Also, you can not easily get back your camera to the initial condition.

Am I right?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 22, 2013, 07:38:11 AM
I was wondering, if it can be possible to write 10bit or 12bit RAW instead of 14bit RAW.  That would be nice. File size will be much smaller, and the quality will be still pretty high. So maybe higher resolutions and frame rates would be possible.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 22, 2013, 08:00:41 AM
I was wondering, if it can be possible to write 10bit or 12bit RAW instead of 14bit RAW.  That would be nice. File size will be much smaller, and the quality will be still pretty high. So maybe higher resolutions and frame rates would be possible.

  :o
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 22, 2013, 10:31:36 AM
I was wondering, if it can be possible to write 10bit or 12bit RAW instead of 14bit RAW.  That would be nice. File size will be much smaller, and the quality will be still pretty high. So maybe higher resolutions and frame rates would be possible.

Indeed wood be nice  ;D   ...but this has already been discussed in this forum, use the search for read about that.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on August 22, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
u welcome  :)

Uhmmm... with this build/version never go above 600. In this moment im able to record continuous 1728x 576 by 3:1  My card is also slow for raw, it's a sandisk 8Gb 60mb/s   ...but even with a 1000x the record speed/frame rate is almost the same because of this build/version for the 7D. Hope this limitations and the Lv freeze will be fix soon.

Actually I get 1472x626 on my Sandisk 16GB 60mb/s    I haven't managed any higher than 626 though.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thin_soldier on August 22, 2013, 12:13:59 PM
Hello there, long time lurker, been shooting with the Raw_rec.mo for this last week and yeasterday this idea hit me, sadly I'm no programmer and people smarter than me probably already have tried this, but I still want to give you guys my five cents, LIVEVIEW problem: can it be that one (Slave) processor does the Liveview whilst the other the recording (Master) in the 7D's original settings? And that these collide and take resources from each other, with the magic lantern code? And that this is why the Live view don't work and the Raw cannot go to full 1080p? Some programmer who have any thoughts about this? I am as I said not familiar with the ins and outs of these things, just a thought.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 22, 2013, 01:20:31 PM
I suppose that two serious issues with bootflag are:
1- "bootflag on" makes the camera much slower to start which is problematic when you want the camera to be quickly available for shooting.
2- Also, you can not easily get back your camera to the initial condition.

Am I right?
1. you can disable auto power off and then no annoying delay but you need more battery
2. you can easily disable bootdisk flag (I provided a diff file in the 7d thread which can make the bootoff.fir from the original Canon fw)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 22, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
I am no coder. Looking through the raw_rec.c, I have got a feeling that 7D freezes while pressing that + key might have something to do with the fact that some EOS models uses the + key to start recording RAW, so there might be a possibility of conflict. Just my wild guess.

I am wondering whether there is a way to change these two lines in the RAW_REC.C. It is worth a try I guess:

line 2025-2029:

  /* start/stop recording with the LiveView key */
    int rec_key_pressed = (key == MODULE_KEY_LV || key == MODULE_KEY_REC);
   
    /* ... or SET on 5D2/50D */
    if (cam_50d || cam_5d2) rec_key_pressed = (key == MODULE_KEY_PRESS_SET);

PS:
Can we change line 2025 to this?
/* start/stop recording with the LiveView key */
    int rec_key_pressed = (key == MODULE_KEY_REC);

I don't know, it might work, say worth a try
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 22, 2013, 01:50:39 PM
BTW, I use the AF-ON to focus, when I press that key, 7D freezes too.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 22, 2013, 01:55:00 PM
@arrinkiiii haha, of course somebody already thought of that ;-) I just read through everything, interesting indeed....
I will try to contribute to that as soon as I finish my fucking dissertation....

I also read that MLV is under development, so I am guessing it will help a lot as well...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 22, 2013, 01:55:15 PM
I'll compile with that code, just hang on, but i think it wont work because it hangs a second or two after the key has been pressed :/
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 22, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
Maybe we can completely disable that "key press" block( a little bit violet though) :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 22, 2013, 02:20:52 PM
i assigned rec key to the set button, didn't work :/ Raw zebras still work while recording, is just the 422 liveview that crashes
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 22, 2013, 02:25:08 PM
TKS, Britom. Maybe I should zip my mouth.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 22, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
LOL no man, contributions like you just did are necesary for this think to move on, so thanks for helping :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 22, 2013, 02:41:57 PM
@hbr

Yes, i also think that the MLV file will bring good things.

@mucher, britom and all 7D users

At least we try and i think is a good thing  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 22, 2013, 02:42:37 PM

indeed britom. Let's go  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on August 22, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
I suppose that two serious issues with bootflag are:
1- "bootflag on" makes the camera much slower to start which is problematic when you want the camera to be quickly available for shooting.
2- Also, you can not easily get back your camera to the initial condition.

Am I right?


Put a non-ML card in and its 100% back to normal, or just remove the autoexec file and the ML file on your card, and reformat.

SUPPOSEDLY there's a small chance it can permanently brick your camera (either through overheating of the sensor, or a firmware lock up, or something else I don't fully comprehend,) but I know of no cases where this has happened.

You are correct about the start times though, it's probably only slower by a couple seconds though (which can be all the difference).

As far as I'm concerned the pros far outweigh the cons.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: thoma on August 22, 2013, 05:54:05 PM
Hi Everyone,

Been reading through these forums for a few days now and I've successfully gotten ML installed and the raw_rec module up and running at 1600x600.  I've been pixel peeping the footage a bit and while it's really impressive I have noticed a few things. 

All footage suffers from a particular noise in the shadows that shows some vertical banding - not that attractive.  As far as I can tell this is down to the Canon sensors and is present in all ML raw footage I've seen - including well-shot 5D mark iii footage.  Is there any improving this or are we down to the capabilities and/or limits of the sensors?  I might start exposing to the right a stop to combat this (is that why there's an ETTR feature in ML?)

More importantly I've noticed what i can only describe as a parquet-floor pattern in some of my shots - almost like jpeg-style compression.  Is this a result of some ML setting or is it due to something with the 7D?  Should I be modifying the bit rate or something when I shoot?  I also saw that people were changing their photo quality to S2( small - not fine jpeg) in order to get more frames fro silent picture burst.  Is this affecting the raw quality at all?

FYI i'm using a sandisk extreme 16gb 400x, the thomas worth build of raw_rec.mo, and problems are present in both silent picture and .RAW files....

Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mvb1919 on August 22, 2013, 06:00:48 PM
Hi guys!,

Thanks for all the work done, i've ready many posts on many pages and now im just confused out of my mind. i finally decided to join the forum for a remote case i might be able to help
fellow 7D owners :)
ive installed the latest magic lantern firmware and all the extras with the nightly builds etc. but i keep getting errors with the modules, am i doing something wrong ??
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.magiclantern.fm%2FVolumes%2FEOS_DIGITAL%2FVRAM1.BMP&hash=57570a70d7f3db4dd4863b3d2deb0afb)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 22, 2013, 06:39:12 PM
Here , if you follow the steps in this thread you should get it running properly

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: soulshooter on August 22, 2013, 06:42:49 PM
has anyone successfully shot 60p at any resolution on the 7d yet?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: javyelow on August 22, 2013, 09:39:15 PM
Hi everyone!

i have a problem with my 7D, the camera do not recognice the battery (also original ones)

do you think i will have problems installing magic latern?


hugs!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 22, 2013, 09:49:06 PM
HOLY FUCK!

So after my brain almost exploded, i managed to make liveview work while recording. I guess the problem was that we were not using a free edmac channel.

Original edmac-memcpy.c was using channel 0x11, that was busy in the debug menu.
Code: [Select]
#else
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;

So i added this line so it uses channel 0x04 instead
Code: [Select]
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19; 
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;

Liveview now works while recording but the recording rectangle disapeared. Lets continue working :)

Here's the new autoexec.bin:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

Don't forget to copy the modules too. Im not a programmer by the way, so im probably misunderstanding some things.

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

Edit: I just reviewed the files that i recorded and they're empty, so i'm probably an idiot :P. Anyone can confirm?

Edit 2: Changed to 0x05 to 0x04. Updated autoexec.bin. Some pink and skipped frames on my slow card, but liveview works! I will continue to try new values.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 22, 2013, 10:29:52 PM
NO WAY   :o

AHUUUUUUU  =DD  What i can say!?!?   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  of happiness  ;D ;D

Edit: Damn man, you killing my hart  ;D  Im going try for see if the files are empty  8)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 22, 2013, 10:30:44 PM
hi.i tried the new autoexec.bin end no option of raw rec in magic lantern menu,live view dosent start,modules dosent load
i notice your new autoexec.bin it's smoller than previous 406kb compared to 466kb
keep calm and keep trying
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 22, 2013, 10:37:38 PM
can't load modules, camera froze.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: gajorro on August 22, 2013, 11:59:42 PM
Hi there! You all are doing awesome job, but this time situation is the same - new module freezes my camera with gop_set: err 1 0 0. I thought this could be because of other modules, I deleted them but still the same. But thank you britom for trying, I am sure that success is close!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 23, 2013, 12:03:10 AM
Try coping all the modules from the link, and if it still dont work, delete your preferences.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: gajorro on August 23, 2013, 12:13:34 AM
Wow, it's working now but very choppy and on my 400x card stops after few frames. Without live view I was able to record continously at 1728x576... But it's still awesome:D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thin_soldier on August 23, 2013, 12:41:22 AM
Great not tried it yet - but Britom You rock!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 23, 2013, 12:46:46 AM
Just ran Britom's new modules.  Live View is choppy, doesn't freeze, but my buffers immediately fill and after about 100 frames (at 1472x626) it stops and alerts me to "corruption in frames"  So I went back to the previous version and everything is as was before (I use the "greenscreen" checker for monitoring--great when shooting in low light).

Too bad it didn't work, but I definitely think you're on the right track!  Keep at that code...it's in there somewhere!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 23, 2013, 01:41:42 AM
The same from here.

Big up for you britom !!!  ...I can already hear the sound of the cork bursting of the bottle of champagne  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 23, 2013, 03:31:12 AM
Britom,

got 10 and 20 frames only. with corrupted frames. Keep at it man! I don't think you are far from cracking it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 23, 2013, 04:19:37 AM
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19; 
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;
#else
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;
#endif

This looks a little bit better to me.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 23, 2013, 08:44:49 PM

@britom

Did you try this from mucher?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 23, 2013, 09:27:57 PM
I am going to spend again money on new CF card.... Anybody knows which CF card is working best with 7D?
The Kingston Ultimate 600X I have, shows 40 MB/s in benchmark software, but in camera with ML shows only 20 MB/s.

I want to be sure that this new one will handle raw shooting continuously....
Thanks.

p.s. @Britom and @Mucher why do you use channel 4? I mean why specifically channel 4?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 23, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
Here , this will make you cry and never want to shoot with H264 again

RAW 2.5K 100% crop

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2844%2F9579347038_937e5909ed_o.jpg&hash=9da82007d3f485895fcc3edd65236c8a)

H264 100% crop

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2816%2F9579347728_5cd81c0011_o.jpg&hash=f77ee535ee6c290a81bebd9ca09efa30)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 23, 2013, 10:07:20 PM
@kh3naz Amazing!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 23, 2013, 10:25:45 PM
Just noticed slight flickering in middle/dark grays while shooting raw video. Anyone have this issue?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 23, 2013, 10:31:45 PM
Just noticed slight flickering in middle/dark grays while shooting raw video. Anyone have this issue?

I had that issue and have seen it in other people's videos , i double checked the settings and i never figured out what is causing it
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 23, 2013, 10:45:36 PM
I am going to spend again money on new CF card.... Anybody knows which CF card is working best with 7D?
The Kingston Ultimate 600X I have, shows 40 MB/s in benchmark software, but in camera with ML shows only 20 MB/s.


I think is the same for other CF cameras. The KomputerBay 64Gb or 32Gb are the most fast... and cheap. But think that Ted Ramasola quem tell you better.


Just noticed slight flickering in middle/dark grays while shooting raw video. Anyone have this issue?

I also got this but mainly in the highlights (skys) i think this is from ACR  :-\
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 23, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Here , this will make you cry and never want to shoot with H264 again

Are these images form the same camera, same lens, same angle and same Focal length? Because hard to believe!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 23, 2013, 11:01:20 PM
Are these images form the same camera, same lens, same angle and same Focal length? Because hard to believe!!

lol , yes this is the 7D's H264 with cinestyle vs ML 2.5k RAW

same lens , same aperture and iso etc , different focal length since i tried to match the 2.5k 5x crop , but you get the idea  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 23, 2013, 11:06:26 PM
lol , yes this is the 7D's H264 with cinestyle vs ML 2.5k RAW

same lens , same aperture and iso etc , different focal length since i tried to match the 2.5k 5x crop , but you get the idea  ;D

I want to curse at Canon!! For the sake of money they are screwing people, just like any capitalised industry i guess... The hell with H 264, long live Magic Lantern!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 23, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
I think is the same for other CF cameras. The KomputerBay 64Gb or 32Gb are the most fast... and cheap. But think that Ted Ramasola quem tell you better.

I concur. Get a KomputerBay 32 or 64gig 1000x.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 23, 2013, 11:33:53 PM
Thank you @ted ramasola and @arrinkiiii ... will go with that then....

Here is some quick test footage, comparing h264 and raw in sharpness and terms of post processing capabilities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM-SIQp5-_c&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM-SIQp5-_c&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: flofifull on August 23, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
Hi everybody ! I'm back with my 7D. Just made another one (2.5K, crop mode, with a limit of 59 frames) :
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on August 23, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
anyone using this card http://wellcorping.en.alibaba.com/product/1052403491-218766918/Wellcore_CF_Card6_0_with_1100X_are_provided_now_.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 23, 2013, 11:53:11 PM
Hi everybody ! I'm back with my 7D. Just made another one (2.5K, crop mode, with a limit of 59 frames) :

Really beautiful.   :'(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 24, 2013, 12:33:57 AM
Guys quick question; Just recently purchased Lee kit and graduated ND glass. Since RAW video shooting hopefully(!) will be stable on 7D as well, do I still need the Graduated ND glasses or could I recover every contrast details in the post (if I set the exposure for the whole frame) without being in need for a filter glass?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 24, 2013, 12:48:34 AM
anyone using this card http://wellcorping.en.alibaba.com/product/1052403491-218766918/Wellcore_CF_Card6_0_with_1100X_are_provided_now_.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
?

I just contacted them about getting one. I get a lot of stuff from Alibaba for work and it's always hit or miss. Hopefully it's not too expensive and I can afford to pick one up.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on August 24, 2013, 03:37:33 AM
Guys quick question; Just recently purchased Lee kit and graduated ND glass. Since RAW video shooting hopefully(!) will be stable on 7D as well, do I still need the Graduated ND glasses or could I recover every contrast details in the post (if I set the exposure for the whole frame) without being in need for a filter glass?

considering that ND glass is often used on high end digital cinema cameras that shoot raw, I would definitely still recommend using it.

I've shot in direct sunlight using raw, with out an nd filter and while the increased Dynamic range makes it more manageable than h264 it's still ideal to be able to completely control exposure. I shot a lot of F32 stuff and the lenses just aren't really designed to hold up in sharpness at that aperture at length.

I'm still experimenting with exposure, and achieving the best results through my workflow. I think ettr is a good method to follow. Though I've exposed to the shadows a couple times and gotten good results. It's really case by case basis.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 24, 2013, 04:05:20 AM
Guys quick question; Just recently purchased Lee kit and graduated ND glass. Since RAW video shooting hopefully(!) will be stable on 7D as well, do I still need the Graduated ND glasses or could I recover every contrast details in the post (if I set the exposure for the whole frame) without being in need for a filter glass?

The highlight recovery is amazing, but you will definitely need a ND filter to shoot with a slow shutter speed in daylight , especially wide open
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 24, 2013, 04:29:43 AM
@fotiful That was a beautiful video, the color so rich and looks so sharp... love it!!! so inspiring!!! awesome stuff!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on August 24, 2013, 04:40:49 AM
The highlight recovery is amazing, but you will definitely need a ND filter to shoot with a slow shutter speed in daylight , especially wide open

I have ND filter but I was asking for "Graduated ND glass".  Wouldn't help to recover the highlights and balance the areas where it has high contrast better with the graduated ND glass even you shoot RAW as crwn_schlr mentioned?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 24, 2013, 07:04:20 AM
anyone using this card http://wellcorping.en.alibaba.com/product/1052403491-218766918/Wellcore_CF_Card6_0_with_1100X_are_provided_now_.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
?

I heard back from the company and they said they would sell me a 64gb card for $90. They claim 160 MB/s read and 130 MB/s write. I'll let you know when I find out more.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 24, 2013, 07:21:54 AM
I have ND filter but I was asking for "Graduated ND glass".  Wouldn't help to recover the highlights and balance the areas where it has high contrast better with the graduated ND glass even you shoot RAW as crwn_schlr mentioned?

A Grad will definitely give you more control in some high contrast situations even with RAW , not that it's always necessary but it can always come in handy , the highlight recovery is truly amazing but controlling your exposure while shooting is always better , i hope that answers your question
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on August 24, 2013, 08:03:33 AM
I heard back from the company and they said they would sell me a 64gb card for $90. They claim 160 MB/s read and 130 MB/s write. I'll let you know when I find out more.
Ill hope you will be lucky)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jmalmsten on August 24, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
A couple of thoughts.

-I understand the reasoning behind going module-based... but  I ger the feeling that we could cut down on a lot of redgundant posts in  this thread if someone kept an up to date patched firmware package easily available for thosr that just want to fudge around a bit with RAW recording... and...

- Also in an effort to keep the redundancy down... why not make a real and updated FAQ in the first post. And there we could have the ready-to use firmware package at the top. And also keep it updated with known resolution-, framerate-, crop-mode- combos that does and doesn't work at the moment.

- And a final thought. At least I would appreciate if statements of resolution would be accompanied with their aspect ratio. :)

Oh. Has there been any work on trying non-square pixel recording? I mean. If it turns out that the highest resolution possible for continuous raw is in 1.5:1 or something like that. We could maybe sample from a 2.4:1 surface area and squeeze the image into the 1.5:1 recorded image using some funky Custom photosite-sampling setting. This would ensure maximum image detail even when not going for 1.5:1 aspect ratio images since we would not be cropping out any pixels. Just unsqueeze them in post. And if we get full 1080p recording we could use the same methodology to record 2.4:1 sensor area on 1.78:1 image area and end up with 33 %  oversampling when doing renders into a 1920x800 sequence in post...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: davejay on August 24, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
EDIT: All sorted! Took both batteries out and reset the camera.


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 24, 2013, 08:41:49 PM

Take your battery and put again for see if your camera turn on
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: davejay on August 24, 2013, 08:46:46 PM
Take your battery and put again for see if your camera turn on

That was a scary 10 minutes!!

All sorted
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 24, 2013, 08:52:33 PM
That was a scary 10 minutes!!

All sorted

haha , yes it scared me the first time as well
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 24, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
Quick 2.5K test:

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: drivetheone on August 25, 2013, 02:27:25 AM
Fantastic news!

i've 7D and C100 :)

i know that the ML with 7D can't outdo C100 for definition, affidability etc...

I'm waiting for continuos RAW and, with hopeless, ML for C100 :S..

Thank you Pelican (ps: i've posted a post for you in http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7873.0)

F
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 08:26:12 PM
I have good news for all addicted 7D Magic Lantern users

We all know that there is some time now we have no master dev to write code for our beloved 7D. A1ex discovered the buffers that were possible to start the beginning of raw in our cameras. So, our dear friend Pelican could get to work on the silent picture and continuous raw. Now that he left to Brazil we continue with the same problem, we need a master dev.


I spoke with 1% and he said we would help with the 7D and get the 7D at the same level than the other cameras. But for this to happen 1% need a camera, in this case a 7D.

This is what 1% wrote
Get me a 7D and I'll do 7D. Its a TON harder as its dual proc so results not super quick like 50D/6D/etc.
I'm up for the challenge...

My question is, who's willing to help/contribute so we can buy a second hand 7D to 1% ?

I AM FOR SURE!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 25, 2013, 08:31:35 PM
What are the options?
Does he need a 7D for some time or permanently?

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
What are the options?
Does he need a 7D for some time or permanently?

Ciao
Walter

I don't know. But im super mega glad to offer him one 7D. If we get all together i think we can get the money easily to buy one in second hand. Like we did with the 50D.

In Portugal one 7D in second hand cost 700€ + shipment + customs it's more money like this but i think that 1% is from USA. If some one can find one good and cheap 7D in USA we don't have to pay large money in shipment and in customs... and i think in USA the cameras are more affordable. Also he already have good cf cards from the 50D.

-we have a monster that wants to wake up-
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: John Kesl on August 25, 2013, 09:18:04 PM
I don't know. But im super mega glad to offer him one 7D. If we get all together i think we can get the money easily to buy one in second hand. Like we did with the 50D.

In Portugal one 7D in second hand cost 700€ + shipment + customs it's more money like this but i think that 1% is from USA. If some one can find one good and cheap 7D in USA we don't have to pay large money in shipment and in customs... and i think in USA the cameras are more affordable. Also he already have good cf cards from the 50D.

-we have a monster that wants to wake up-
I'm in, whataya need? money? tell me where to send it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 25, 2013, 09:33:05 PM
-we have a monster that wants to wake up-

<grin> Yes, it's about time to speed things up, Igor!

Of course I'm in!
Terms of money transaction?

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 09:56:14 PM
I'm in!

I've actually got one that is working but is broken....
the screen is working fine and it's fine takin pictures, but the top screen is not working as should (it fell off the roof of a car while lending it to a friend and I got a new one on the insurance) I'd be real happy to send it if it's good enough and then we only need to pay for shipping..
Let me know what you think friends. I could post some pics of it, maybe worth askin 1% what he would think about it.

Otherwise I'm in for contributin with some cash. :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 09:58:13 PM
By the way I'm in Sweden, so just say if it's not worth shippin. Maybe it's better to get a 2nd hand one that's fully functional from US?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 25, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
I'm definitely in , i would love to lend him my own 7D but i admit the thought of being separated from my 7D scares me a little as it is my only tool right now
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 25, 2013, 10:18:57 PM
I'm in!

I've actually got one that is working but is broken....
the screen is working fine and it's fine takin pictures, but the top screen is not working as should (it fell off the roof of a car while lending it to a friend and I got a new one on the insurance) I'd be real happy to send it if it's good enough and then we only need to pay for shipping..
Let me know what you think friends. I could post some pics of it, maybe worth askin 1% what he would think about it.

Otherwise I'm in for contributin with some cash. :)

I don't think he needs the top screen , this would be a really good idea , i'm sure we can all contribute for the shipping and return costs
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Thank you to all  :D

We still need more people for this work good.

Meanwhile Magic 7D offer is slight broken camera with only the top screen broken... if it's good to 1% we just need to collect some money for the shipment and customs. I think with 75€ we make the "party"... if not we need to collect more money, like 700€ to buy one.

And we need some one from USA, maybe John Kesl from New York with paypal account?

Edit:

I don't think he needs the top screen , this would be a really good idea , i'm sure we can all contribute for the shipping and return costs

Let see what 1% have to say.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 25, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
What about import taxes? Here in Germany you will have a hard time with customs if the packet is screened ...

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 25, 2013, 10:40:29 PM
i'm in to.
if registered as a gift should not pay any fees at customs
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 10:41:51 PM
I think it's different if it's 2nd hand and used (specially if it's slightly broken... ;) ) and if it's sent as a gift, I don't need it back I'd be happy to let 1% keep it (if he think it's worth keepin that is :) )

Gift part already mentioned ...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 10:52:10 PM
I don't know what to say im just  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( of hapiness

I ask to 1% wend he receive the 50D from Holland/Nederlands if he paid taxes/costumes... and also about the broken screen

Nope, there were no taxes. Broken top screen is perfect. I don't need the top screen for anything.

What we can say? I think we deserve it  ::)

So... are you, Magic 7D, ready to send the camera to 1% ? Tell us what is the price ( i think is 35€) for send it and make also a insurance/register package and we will give you the money.

Big UP to all fans of MAGIC LANTERN !!!

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 25, 2013, 11:00:02 PM
... monster ... top is damaged ... This is just PERFECT!

Thank you very much in advance, Magic 7D!
And of course best wishes to 1% for standing up to the challenge!

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 11:01:54 PM
I'm ready to send! :) :) :) :) more than ready :)

I can't tell the price now though.. it's 11pm where I am :)
So I'll have to get to know (tomorrow for me) and I need somewhere/someone to send it to too (pm me adress name etc. ?)
I think as well price will depend on how fast we want it to get there.. I mean if fast fast fast priority it'll me more expensive, if just fast less and if just "post" speed the least.. ;) let me know friends.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
By the way does 1% need a battery in it? (it's the same as 5D MKII)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sinbinsam on August 25, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Thank you Magic 7d, you have helped us all
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 25, 2013, 11:22:53 PM
Magic 7D we are extremely lucky to have your contribution , please let us know how we can contribute for the shipping (paypal?) , i don't know if anybody else agrees on paying a bit more for express shippping , i don't mind
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 25, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
super fast delivery should be nice
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mvb1919 on August 25, 2013, 11:34:02 PM
https://www.facebook.com/martijn.vanbeek/media_set?set=a.10201771158467118.1073741828.1426125701&type=3

i thook the liberty of sharing some raw video stills form the 7D Raw video :)

enjoy guys !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ehsanm on August 25, 2013, 11:36:33 PM
Thanks Magic 7D. I am also in guys to contribute.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 25, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
I'm ready to send! :) :) :) :) more than ready :)

I can't tell the price now though.. it's 11pm where I am :)
So I'll have to get to know (tomorrow for me) and I need somewhere/someone to send it to too (pm me adress name etc. ?)
I think as well price will depend on how fast we want it to get there.. I mean if fast fast fast priority it'll me more expensive, if just fast less and if just "post" speed the least.. ;) let me know friends.

22:31 at Portugal  ;D

If we all collaborate/donate we can send it by express, with insurance/register and buy a battery and charger to send to 1% , no?

As soon i got the address of 1% i send you PM. When you know the price for send it tell us, maybe you should see the top/fast and secure shipment and one intermediate + battery and charger.

Do you have paypal account?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Magic 7D on August 25, 2013, 11:52:48 PM
Portugal is right down my spine  ;D got a sister livin in spain still to go to Portugal though.. ;)

I've got PayPal

I'll find out price (all with insurance + register) of express and intermediate as soon as I got adress. I can include a battery (got a few) but charger.. don't know maybe good to ask 1% bout that? Maybe He's got 5D MKII (I don't know if MKIII is the same battery)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 25, 2013, 11:59:43 PM
LP-E6 is compatible with 7D, 5D Mark II und 5D Mark III. Strange but true!
EDIT: And runs in 70D, too.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 12:15:33 AM

Come to Portugal !!! Free house in Lisbon, downtown !!! Best place !!!


PM
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 12:43:09 AM
Come to Portugal !!! Free house in Lisbon, downtown !!! Best place !!!

We (three bikers) were there last autumn and we'll (4 bikers) be in  Andalucía very soon. Take care, we enjoyed it there, forest fire smoke screen aside.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 26, 2013, 12:45:32 AM
This is so exciting!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: drivetheone on August 26, 2013, 12:47:42 AM
I want be a Tester for 7D :)

F
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Scott7D on August 26, 2013, 12:48:01 AM
This is so exciting!

Indeed! Thanks Magic 7D!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 01:23:42 AM
Big thank you to magic 7D!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 01:25:34 AM
WOW great news! I'd be happy to donate some money for developing this monster :)

Big thanks to arrinkiiii for your help coordinating, to Magic 7D for your great donation and to 1% for your awesome brain

Here is autoexec.bin with latest changes:
- Menu: experimental dynamic page that shows modified settings [usability] (Thanks a1ex!)
- Updated autoexpo and ettr modules (Thanks pravdomil and a1ex!)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 01:27:21 AM
I don't know how to delete this post lol :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: frogcement on August 26, 2013, 01:50:25 AM
WOW great news! I'd be happy to donate some money for developing this monster :)

Big thanks to arrinkiiii for your help coordinating, to Magic 7D for your great donation and to 1% for your awesome brain

Here is autoexec.bin with latest changes:
- Menu: experimental dynamic page that shows modified settings [usability] (Thanks alex!)
- Updated autoexpo module (Thanks pravdomil!)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
You guys ROCK !!! kick ass ty soooo much, im having trouble compiling on cygwin :( and yes cygwin blows compaired to linux i know...
many thanks!!!
--
K.C.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 02:22:38 AM
WOW great news! I'd be happy to donate some money for developing this monster :)

Big thanks to arrinkiiii for your help coordinating, to Magic 7D for your great donation and to 1% for your awesome brain

Here is autoexec.bin with latest changes:
- Menu: experimental dynamic page that shows modified settings [usability] (Thanks alex!)
- Updated autoexpo module (Thanks pravdomil!)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

It nothing, glad that i could help. 

Thank you very much for compile  :D  Do you manage to compile the auto ETTR update?

We (three bikers) were there last autumn and we'll (4 bikers) be in  Andalucía very soon. Take care, we enjoyed it there, forest fire smoke screen aside.

It is very beautiful and also the south of spain.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 02:42:42 AM
Do you manage to compile the auto ETTR update?

Forgot that one!, done and updated!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 02:44:06 AM

AHUUUUUU  ;D ;D Thank you !!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 26, 2013, 02:55:51 AM
Let us know how are you collecting the money, will try to contribute. ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 03:00:12 AM
Hi everyone

thx for all the work, i'm havin a lot of fun testin this RAW mode


here's my first shooting test montage, only 720p... can't shoot 1080p with my CF card :'(


(7D +Sigma 150 macro non-os, and a good tripod)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 03:28:48 AM
Forgot that one!, done and updated!

Thanks Britom!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: frogcement on August 26, 2013, 04:01:51 AM
Let us know how are you collecting the money, will try to contribute. ;-)
I will also contribute, but im on disability and only get paid once a month, i can happily contribute after 9/4/13 :))
Thanks again for everyones efforts its truly appreciated.
--
K.C.
 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 07:00:58 AM
Hi guys,

I have a 7D since 2010 and I'm new to Magic Lantern.
A week ago I dicovered this wonderful community/forum and decided to install ML on my 7D. Since then, I have been following this thread every day, trying to do RAW video with my 7D.
I was having all the problems like the freezing live view and the 600px limit.
But, as I have a little experience in programming, I decided to clone pelican's version and take a shot at modding and compiling it by myself. Took some time to make it work, and I used britom's discovery of changing the line "uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x11;" to "uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x04;" on the edmac-memcpy.c file.
Compiled, copied to my card, and VOILA, had some surprises:

- My liveview does not freeze anymore
- The captured frames are not glitched/corrupted, I tested many times, all ok
- Now I can record more than 600px vertical resolutions without errors in the image!
- Maximum res I recorded continuosly was 1472x828
- Maximum res I recorded not continuosly was 1728x972
- Using crop mode, I can record (not in silent picture, raw_rec!) around 200 - 300 frames in 2.5k, without glitches and frame corruption beyond the 600px limit, no problem at all!


My card is a SANDISK Extreme 16gb 60mbps. Copied raw_rec module only, no other modules installed or running. Haven`t tried with other modules yet.
I wonder if I had a faster card I could work all the way up to 1080p RAW continuosly with live view. That would be bliss.
Gonna try that this week, I have a friend that can lend me a 1000x card. I'll keep you informed.

Thank you all, you guys are amazing.

Sorry by my english.
Greetings from Brazil,

Nicko

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You can download my build here:
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip (http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip)
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Example movie recorded using raw_rec in 1728x972 resolution with Live View fully working during record (converted to h264 in mpegstreamclip for web upload):
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/M26-0521_C0000.mp4 (http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/M26-0521_C0000.mp4)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
brunonicko!!!!

You are probably the next best thing to God creating a woman!!!

I will try this on my 1000x CF!

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: lol_lol_2512 on August 26, 2013, 07:06:10 AM
I would also like to donate. Let me know the details when available.

Thank you Magic 7D, arrinkiiii and 1%
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 07:07:48 AM
@brunonicko

I see 2 other bin files. ROM0.bin and ROM1.bin . What shall I do with those?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 07:09:36 AM
I think they aren't needed. They appeared on my card after I used EOSCard and some other procedures to install ML, so I left those there ever since. But I don't think they're needed.  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 07:20:38 AM
Wow this really works! So i guess i wasn't wrong but probably compiling on cgywin screwed something :) Can you share more details on how you compiled?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 07:23:43 AM
I think they aren't needed. They appeared on my card after I used EOSCard and some other procedures to install ML, so I left those there ever since. But I don't think they're needed.  :)

Bravo Brunonicko!!

1728 x 972
16:9 = 2,139 frames

1728 x 934
1.85:1=5,014 frames

1728 x 864
2:1= continuous!!

1-2 corrupt frames per clip near start.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 07:38:37 AM
Yeah!!! Good to know it works on other 7Ds!

Sure, Britom!
I followed this guide, using virtualbox and linux (I had problems with cygwin, so I decided to go Linux):
Instead of cloning the mercurial repo showed in the video, I cloned Pelican's one.
But then when I tried to compile for the 7D, it gave me some errors.
To fix them, I had to edit Makefile.user and the Makefiles inside the 7D.203 folder, guided by some posts in the ML forum for every error I got in compilation.
Finally got it compiled and working, but with liveview and 600px limitations. Then I tried Britom's change, compiled again and Voila!
I can post the files I've modified from Pelican's code if you want to.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 07:55:35 AM
In Crop mode
Resolution=no of frames

2512 x 1200
2:09:1 = 97

1920 x 1080
16:9  = 201

1728 x 972
16:9 = 480

1728 x 864
2:1 =853

1728 x 786
2.20:1 = 3207

1728 x 736
2.35:1 = continuous
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 07:59:15 AM
brunonicko,

Thanks for your contribution!

Suggestion, can you clean up your zipped compiles and remove those unused .bin files and maybe just zip the autoexec and the MODULES folder?

That way testers can just use EOScard and easily update by downloading with your compile and overwriting the ones on the bootable CFcard.

Again thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 08:00:20 AM
I did the same thing but with hudson/magic-lantern repo and under cgywin, compiling was a lot slower than on linux and also noticed some weird alerts while compiling. But this is great news man, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
I'm getting some 1-2 corrupt frames near the start of the clip. But everything ok afterwards.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 26, 2013, 08:13:27 AM
Sandisk 8gb 60mb
1728-972 = 150 frames Quality set on raw, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 260 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 433 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:of
Thankyou guys.

Edit: no corrupt frames here
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 08:18:00 AM
Sandisk 8gb 60mb
1728-972 = 150 frames Quality set on raw, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 260 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:on
1728-972 = 433 frames Quality set on s-jpeg, Global draw:of
Thankyou guys.

Edit: no corrupt frames here

Wow! In my excitement I forgot to turn off the raw stills! Now the continuous record frames is much higher! I will update my previous posts. Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 08:18:31 AM
I get 3 frames from the end of the video written in the begining on frame 2, 3 and 4... everything else is perfect
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 09:00:09 AM
Now if only we can port FPS over ride so we can do 24p in crop mode!

But first, those couple of corrupt frames near the start of a clip. :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 26, 2013, 09:02:47 AM
wow, so the 7D is becoming a very serious video camera behind the mark III.

funny bucause it was the "ugly duckling" of the canon cameras.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 09:19:48 AM
Holy cow you guys are amazing , did a quick test , continuous 1728-972 with working live view on my 1000x card

how are you guys doing 1080p it won't let me select it ?

there are no words to describe how excited i am !

EDIT : just realized other resolution are available in crop :)

1920-1080 = 223 frames

liveview still freezes in 10x crop
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 26, 2013, 09:31:25 AM
Holy cow you guys are amazing , did a quick test , continuous 1728-972 with working live view on my 1000x card

how are you guys doing 1080p it won't let me select it ?

there are no words to describe how excited i am !

EDIT : just realized other resolution are available in crop :)

Cheers, that's the max resolution for the Canon 7D.

Higher resolutions in crop mode with hardware modification would be interesting in the near future.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 09:44:16 AM
Holy cow you guys are amazing , did a quick test , continuous 1728-972 with working live view on my 1000x card


1920-1080 = 223 frames

liveview still freezes in 10x crop

you can disable 10x magnify in ml menu.

Theres no10x crop only 3x crop by using 5x magnify . :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
you can disable 10x magnify in ml menu.

Theres no10x crop only 3x crop by using 5x magnify . :)

Thanks for the tip !

yes i should have said 10x magnify instead of crop
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
Heres a recap of resolutions now possible with a 1000x CF card.

in 24P

1728 x 972  16:9 = Continuous


in Crop mode which is 30P since there is still no FPS over ride.

2152 x 1200 2.09:1 = 97

1920 x 1080 16:9 = 201

1728 x 736 2.35:1 =Continuous

1600 x 800 2:1 = Continuous

in 60P

1728 x 412  3:1 = 449

1600 x 382  3:1 = 2,610

1472 x 350 3:1 = Continuous

1280 X 416  2.20:1 =  Continuous
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: flofifull on August 26, 2013, 10:39:21 AM
Love you Brunonicko!!!!!  :) :) :)
on Lexar 1000x 32Go (24p) :

1728 x 972 (16:9) : = continuous
1728 x 736 (2.35) : = continuous

Other resolutions are available in crop (Love that because no line skipping here !) (30p) :
1728 x 736 (crop Mode / 2.35) = continuous

1920 x 1080 (Crop Mode / 16.9) = 235 frames
1920 x 818 (Crop Mode / 2.35) = 660 frames

2048 x 1152 (Crop Mode / 16.9) = 147 frames
2048 x 872 (Crop Mode / 2.35) = 359 frames

2240 x 1200 (Crop Mode / 1.87) : 126 frames
2240 x 1200 (Crop Mode / 2.35) : 198 frames

2512 x 1200 (Crop Mode / aspect ratio 2:09) = 100 frames
2512 x 1068 (Crop Mode / 2.35) = 127  frames
2512 x 942 (Crop Mode / 2.67) = 150  frames

Some corrupt frames with Global Draw activated. No one when Global Draw off.

Awesome progress !!!! i'm loving more and more my 7d !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 26, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
Today has been a good day
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 26, 2013, 11:00:25 AM
Thank you  @brunonicko !!

Higher resolution than 600px height now works, and live view does not freeze.
There is couple of corrupted frames every now and then, in the first second of the video, but oherwise it's working fine! ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 26, 2013, 11:01:09 AM
Awesome job, Brunonicko !!!!!!!!!!!

One question besides: I get a pink pixel in each frame. always at the same place. looks like a dead/hot pixel to me. However, I´ve never noticed it in any still foto. Does ACR remove it automatically in stills?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 26, 2013, 11:02:05 AM

There is couple of corrupted frames every now and then, in the first second of the video, but oherwise it's working fine! ;-)

I had the same problem... switching on the card warm up fixed it for me.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 26, 2013, 11:02:44 AM
I am guessing that corrupted frames could be caused by slow card speed, will test new 1000x card as soon as I get it ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 26, 2013, 11:06:52 AM
This kind of modification would be very useful in crop mode. What do you think?

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: obiyan19 on August 26, 2013, 11:21:05 AM
woo hoo, thanks a lot !

no any freeze in live-view recording ! now, just need to buy 1000x card !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 11:32:21 AM
Cheers, that's the max resolution for the Canon 7D.

Higher resolutions in crop mode with hardware modification would be interesting in the near future.

I'm a little bit confused  , 1728 x 972 really is the limit in non crop with RAW ? is this a hardware limitation on the 7D ?

What about in crop mode , now that we can record 1080p and 2.5k etc , will it be possible to improve the duration or has the 7D reached it's limit with the write speed ?

 ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 26, 2013, 11:54:44 AM
For the following aspect ratios, assuming that we can achieve a continuous ~80 MB/sec +/- 0.5 MB/sec, the maximum frame sizes are:
FR      3:2         16:9         2.35:1
23.976   1728 x 1152   1892 x 1056   2176 x 920
29.97   1550 x 1032   1696 x 944   1944 x 824
59.94   1088 x 736   1192 x 672   1368 x 584

Just demonstrating theoretical in case anyone has the time to test and push the boundaries of our hardware.
It's time to push these boundaries. It seems like we are still a far way off this.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
As a ML noobie, I got 2 question that's troubling for my mind:

what do you exactly call "Crop Mode"?   ::)
And how to know if you're in 24 or 30 fps?

I got the (wrong?) feelin I'm not doiin something as it should be done do get the best results

thanks

and btw, sorry for my english  :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 12:52:14 PM
what do you exactly call "Crop Mode"?   ::)

Exactly what it says: A smaller frame inside your "full frame" APS-C sensor area. There is a menu item to turn it on and off.
Maybe you are confused by the fact that a "normal" RAW picture may have less pixels than a cropped one.

There are two modes: "Normal" RAW video uses liveview and this is limited to 17xx width. Cropped mode uses a smaller rectrangle inside the sensor area without line skipping.
It's something like digital zoom ...

And how to know if you're in 24 or 30 fps?

There is a menu item allowing to choose and check the actual setting.

I got the (wrong?) feelin I'm not doiin something as it should be done do get the best results

It's called "learning curve". RAW has it's caveats and stumbling on this bumpy road is quite normal.
Read a lot in the RAW Video section and just keep on experimenting. You're at the very edge of something fascinating but it is still an edge.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 26, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to magic lantern, this is my first post :)

Will this card work with the 7D raw: http://www.amazon.com/KOMPUTERBAY-128GB-Professional-COMPACT-Extreme/dp/B00DQ8WM72 ?

I saw elsewhere, in the 5d forums, that there's an issue connecting that card via usb2 readers. Since I don't have an external reader, and I plan to use the camera connected directly to the computer to do the offloading... will it be okay?

Any reason to go with the 1000x instead (besides a little savings)?

Thanks :)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
You need a card reader or you will not be able to install ML.
Kingston FCR-HS3 works very well with SD and CF and costs only a fraction of the card's price.

And you will be limited to USB 2.0 speed (about 16 MByte/s cam -> computer). To transfer 128 GByte this way it will take about 2 hours. And you will drain the batteries reducing their life time ...

@all: Heard about compatibility issues with this card and 7D. Still a problem or solved?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Aquablue71 on August 26, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Hi,

i just followod this hole threads quite a while now. till now i was not able if i should try, but with the latest version made by brunonicko i am planing to try. Now my question. Can someone link the latest installation instruction? At the moment i am a little bit confused, what is the actuall way to make everything running (specially i would like to test the one that has been made by brunonicko).

sorry for the questoin, but i dont wont to make something wrong that i took the wrong instruction.

thanks for the help
regards
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 01:40:26 PM
Welcome to our roller coaster!
First steps are linked in the first post.
After this one download brunonicko's files, expand them and copy the files/ML dir over the card's files/ML dir.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 01:43:49 PM

There is a menu item allowing to choose and check the actual setting.


Thx for ur answer Walt :)

I just looked further.... Finally I simply do not understood that you have to go in x5 liveview in order to turn on the "crop mode"...  ::)

I now have to try some macro shots at 2.5k!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 01:48:19 PM
Good Morningggggg  :D

This is awesome, what a weekend!!!

Obrigadooo Brunonicko, voçe salvou-nos massaaaaa

Going to try  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Aquablue71 on August 26, 2013, 01:52:29 PM
so that description is still the right one. I was not shure about. i had the feeling that there are different description.
So will try it then :)
Just one more question. When i unzip the file from brunonicko there are two main folders. __MACOSX and ML_BrunoNicko. Do i need both content or just the one under ML_BrunoNicko?

André
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 26, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
Great job.

I have got a problem. When zoom in to 10x, my 7D still freezes, but it is only a small glitch that I can solve it by switch off 10x zoom in the menu.

BTW, when shoot with raw, the 7D often goes into sleep mode, could not find a way to stop it. It is driving me nuts. Helps needed. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 02:02:03 PM
so that description is still the right one. I was not shure about. i had the feeling that there are different description.
So will try it then :)
Just one more question. When i unzip the file from brunonicko there are two main folders. __MACOSX and ML_BrunoNicko. Do i need both content or just the one under ML_BrunoNicko?

André

Just the Autoexec.bin and the ML Folder.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 26, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
Please ignore reply #420. I turned off the LV power saving in Canon's menu.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 26, 2013, 02:11:21 PM
Thanks Walter, I'll look into that card reader. In terms of battery life, I use AC adapter- but yeah, a card reader is definitely the way to go- thanks for the nudge in the right direction :)

My only catch is since I'm in Israel, it's a bit tough to get bulkier equipment. A CF card can be slipped into an envelope. Card reader is a little trickier... but you're right, I need to get one ;)

Looking forward to the group's conclusion for that card...  can't wait to start playing with ML, and I have a couple upcoming low-budget shorts which I was going to rent a BMCC for but now might just shoot with this upgrade. Yay!

BTW I have both a programming and film background (portfolio @ http://davidkomer.com)... it's been a really long time since I've played with asm, and my C is really very rusty as well... but I'm no stranger to thousands of lines of code if I'm able to help out somewhere specific. Schedule's pretty tight, plus family obligations etc. but you never know :D

You need a card reader or you will not be able to install ML.
Kingston FCR-HS3 works very well with SD and CF and costs only a fraction of the card's price.

And you will be limited to USB 2.0 speed (about 16 MByte/s cam -> computer). To transfer 128 GByte this way it will take about 2 hours. And you will drain the batteries reducing their life time ...

@all: Heard about compatibility issues with this card and 7D. Still a problem or solved?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 02:18:46 PM

In the beginning i just update the raw_rec module... and it freeze the camera. Update the autoexec.bat and everything go's alright  :D I think this happen because i have the last autoexec.bat that have the dinamic menu but now it don't have.

Britom or  Brunonicko it's possible to compile the last ml (autoexec.bat) with the last features from the bitbucket and working with this last raw_rec module from Brunonicko?


THANK YOUUUUUU ;D ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Aquablue71 on August 26, 2013, 02:20:58 PM
thanks Ted. Seems working now :)
Great work. Now i have to play a little bit to get a feeling for the tool...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Scott7D on August 26, 2013, 02:22:49 PM
Awesome work Brunonicko!
I got my Lexar 1000x card last week and I'm getting my USB 3.0 card reader this week.


I just want to make sure we don't forget about 1% getting Magic 7D's slightly broken 7D body so that we can get the 7D ML code up to where the other ports are at for all of the other modules, etc.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 26, 2013, 02:28:53 PM
Thanks, guys. Real credits goes to Britom, he discovered the edmac issue.
Arrinkiiii, the new features are available in hudson's repo, I believe? I should try later to compile from there and see if it works.
Morning here in Brazil, gonna make some test clips now!  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: slybugg on August 26, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Thanks brunonicko and Britom.

I just shot continuously at 1280 x 720 on a Hoodman 300x card, which benchmarks at 37MBs, and 296mbs, with Live View for the first time. 

When I shot over a minute or so, my raw file had a Unix file that with the suffix ROO or R00 at the end.  The Unix file was the large file, and neither could be transcoded into dng files. 

Very happy with this.  The 720p file is so much richer than the h.264 1080p files I shot as a comparison test.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
Heh, so for the edmac there is a function called reslock that locks those resources from canon... you can also use it to find/check free edmacs. So what is missing on 7D?

Display filter I saw,
FPS override too?
Wav probably needs input gain/mic selection like 6D.

Maybe a1ex/g3gg0 knows this: why are we running on the slave proc and not the master? Master seems to have access to more stuff, right? No bulkIPC usage?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tjunkkila on August 26, 2013, 03:39:32 PM
Just shot 7secs of 720p raw on Transcend 400x card. Got to check the stores for a faster card, but the point is raw rec works :)
The liveview freezes at 10x zoom. Any fixes on that?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: PressureFM on August 26, 2013, 03:43:47 PM
Thanks brunonicko and Britom.

I just shot continuously at 1280 x 720 on a Hoodman 300x card, which benchmarks at 37MBs, and 296mbs, with Live View for the first time. 

When I shot over a minute or so, my raw file had a Unix file that with the suffix ROO or R00 at the end.  The Unix file was the large file, and neither could be transcoded into dng files. 

Very happy with this.  The 720p file is so much richer than the h.264 1080p files I shot as a comparison test.

You need to join the files, they should be called Mxx-xxxx.RAW and any subsequent spanned file should share the same name but end in .RXX.

Files are automatically spanned when you reach the 4 GB limit of the FAT32 file system.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Thanks, guys. Real credits goes to Britom, he discovered the edmac issue.
Arrinkiiii, the new features are available in hudson's repo, I believe? I should try later to compile from there and see if it works.
Morning here in Brazil, gonna make some test clips now!  :)

Yes, i think there is everything that we need for try the latest ML functions. The new autoexec.bat with dinamic menu is very useful.

I just want to make sure we don't forget about 1% getting Magic 7D's slightly broken 7D body so that we can get the 7D ML code up to where the other ports are at for all of the other modules, etc.


Im waiting that Magic 7D send me an PM with the shipment price. And we are ready to go. A lot to do in the 7D  :D

Heh, so for the edmac there is a function called reslock that locks those resources from canon... you can also use it to find/check free edmacs. So what is missing on 7D?

Display filter I saw,
FPS override too?
Wav probably needs input gain/mic selection like 6D.

Maybe a1ex/g3gg0 knows this: why are we running on the slave proc and not the master? Master seems to have access to more stuff, right? No bulkIPC usage?

Yes, also fps override, audio, etc... Is dual-iso workes with  raw video? Can we use exfat, for not spanning the files and go more then 4GB?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
Thats a good question, I only see it for photo. I guess needs regs for LV. If its like 50D and ONLY has one reg for LV then its boned, otherwise LV should work. The regs are on the master, maybe that is the problem.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
Thats a good question, I only see it for photo. I guess needs regs for LV. If its like 50D and ONLY has one reg for LV then its boned, otherwise LV should work. The regs are on the master, maybe that is the problem.

Yes i think have more then one reg and the difficult is because is because of the master processor
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
So anyone tried to compile the 7D master version and run it?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 04:13:20 PM
Compiled under linux with latest changes:

- Raw video works good
- Removed autoexpo.mo because of some conflicts.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: obiyan19 on August 26, 2013, 04:15:05 PM
any chance to have continuous full HD without crop mode ? or 1728 x 972 is the maximum reachable ? benchmark get good results with 1000x cards ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 04:17:35 PM
Can't go higher unless we figure out how to set custom resolutions for LV. I think the middle ground is figuring out FPS override so you can have 24fps in crop mode rather than the 30.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
I think we need to find the reslock stub
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
Yep, and run the test. I have no FW yet so I can't check stuff out.

After that figure out how to freeze the LV again for hacked mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 04:44:22 PM
Someone mentioned something earlier but I wanted to double-check, has there been some progress made with 128gb cards? Will they work with ML on the 7D now?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 26, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
my understanding is that using 128GB cards for shooting isn't a problem, you just need to load ML from another card first

All these developments are making me impatient... I think I'll just order the 1050x card and card reader and report back how they work. Seems there's no real definitive reason why they wouldn't

:)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dfgh on August 26, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
Hey,

Can someone please explain to me how I get continuous RAW record and dual ISO module to work? I have Burst RAW working. Do I copy and paste Modules and autoexec on to the CF or do I have to do something else?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 05:14:50 PM
Alternative build using the latest raw_rec from g3gg0:

- Write speed increased (Can anyone confirm?)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb

Dont forget to copy all the files and enable the raw_rec and ime_base modules or it wont work.

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 05:42:20 PM
my understanding is that using 128GB cards for shooting isn't a problem, you just need to load ML from another card first

All these developments are making me impatient... I think I'll just order the 1050x card and card reader and report back how they work. Seems there's no real definitive reason why they wouldn't

:)

Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 05:46:09 PM
Just guessing... but if 128GB cards work on 5DII and 50D there is no reason they won't on 7D. People who bought a 128/64, etc and tried to run the fir are the ones that had problems.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 26, 2013, 05:53:21 PM
I thought about this one:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg65883#msg65883
Maybe ted has some new insight to share.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 26, 2013, 05:58:38 PM
You probably have heard, 7D's supported file system for the CF card is FAT32 which has a maximum allocatable sectors of 2^32, so that, which I have heard, translated to the maximum allocatable partition that is 32gb.

There might be a hack to this, that is to format the CF card manually assigning a very large sector (but that will mean waste some space), just format with "format /?" in Windows command promt to see what options you can get. I haven't tried this on my camera, the camera might not recognize the file system.

It is also heard that if you don't format the CF card in the camera, the camera's write speed will decrease over time, so you need to perform the format operation from time to time.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 26, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
I refreshed the ML zip on my site (http://pel.hu/ML/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2.zip) with BrunoNicko's version so EOScards downloads that now with working LV during raw_rec.

If anyone can compile ML 7D regularly and make a complete zip file  and upload it somewhere with the same name then I can set up EOScard to use that link.

Cheers from Brazil.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpel.hu%2Fpic%2FIM7_126549.jpg&hash=24bbb7313934dc83a7f8b773a1830034)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
Alternative build using the latest raw_rec from g3gg0:

- Write speed increased (Can anyone confirm?)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb

Dont forget to copy all the files and enable the raw_rec and ime_base modules or it wont work.

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

Thanks!!!

I'll test that

I got something to report on the brunonicko build, I get corrupted frames from time to time during a single movie (not only at the beginning)

look at this:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-A92dbsQwI7A%2FUht7Vophk1I%2FAAAAAAAAABA%2FLaKhZoTPyls%2Fs640%2Fcorrupt_t.jpg&hash=e22fff8b4e426b48e23cd3ae6619393d)

shootin@ 1920*818 (crop mode) with frame skipping enabled
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 06:14:54 PM
Alternative build using the latest raw_rec from g3gg0:

- Write speed increased (Can anyone confirm?)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb

Dont forget to copy all the files and enable the raw_rec and ime_base modules or it wont work.

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

So, are these generating .MLV files instead of .RAW files now? I just tested it and, when shooting RAW, ended up with a .MLV file in the root directory instead of a .RAW file in the 100ES7D directory.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 26, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
ended up with a .MLV file in the root directory instead of a .RAW file in the 100ES7D directory.

did you try to de-raw this file?

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 06:24:16 PM
did you try to de-raw this file?

Tried, but couldn't figure out how. This is the first time that I've seen a .MLV file show up so I'm not used to working with them. I'm on a Mac and have been searching the forums on how to process them but haven't come up with much.  :-[
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 06:40:52 PM
Quote
I got something to report on the brunonicko build, I get corrupted frames from time to time during a single movie (not only at the beginning)

possible issues...1# that edmac channel is still not free... hence reslock + test... #2... sync is fucked like on 600D, you guy don't have display filters, #3, cpu usage

Yea, MLV is its own thing, its still being tested and slower than normal raw.

Heh, all these things I can look at when I get 7D or at least 7D firmware.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 26, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
Britom's version is about 9-12% faster, so I can bump up the resolution 1 stop with the same CF card.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 06:52:17 PM
possible issues...1# that edmac channel is still not free... hence reslock + test... #2... sync is fucked like on 600D, you guy don't have display filters, #3, cpu usage

Yea, MLV is its own thing, its still being tested and slower than normal raw.

Heh, all these things I can look at when I get 7D or at least 7D firmware.

Is there a way to disable the .MLV and shoot standard .RAW files?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: blackjack102 on August 26, 2013, 06:59:01 PM
This magic lantern is amazed! My friend just showed this website two days ago and read everywhere.  I made a raw video last night without live view! I found out that live view works this morning. I tried brunonicko's files, and it worked!

Thank you for the amazed work.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 26, 2013, 07:01:06 PM
You can either use the MLV converter or run an older module that outputs raw.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Yfripp on August 26, 2013, 07:11:46 PM

Someone mentioned something earlier but I wanted to double-check, has there been some progress made with 128gb cards? Will they work with ML on the 7D now?

I've been using a Komputerbay 128Gb 1000x card for the last 3 months with my 7D running just about every release of magic lantern that has come out, though I never tried to use that card to boot flag my 7D, I used another card for that. I have had no problems with it so far, Raw video shoots continuously at 1728x972 @ 25P. Please note this is the 1000x card not the 1050x that was mentioned.

And also a huge thank you to all the developers of Magic Lantern.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
i was wondering why i can get 1728 x 972 continuous , but not in crop mode , not even close (~400 frames) , is recording in crop with no line skipping more demanding for some reason ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 26, 2013, 07:58:48 PM
You can either use the MLV converter or run an older module that outputs raw.

Is there an easy way to do that on a Mac? I found a program that uses the command line, but I was hoping there was something easier. I've been searching but haven’t found the right .MLV thread.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 26, 2013, 08:03:21 PM
Hey 1%, while we get you a 7d is there any way i can help you get the 7d firmware? You mean a firmware update from canon or some dump from the camera?

stevelucky read from here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jim Jarmusch on August 26, 2013, 08:05:43 PM
Hi everyone, I'm using and trying all the modules you guys do and I am flattered, great job to ML and you guys. I Convert the files using RAWMagic and importing in AE CC and grading with Camera raw exporting using prores 4444 and editing in premiere CC upscaling to 1080p then exporting .h264.

So my question would be am I doing something wrong cuz I'm happy with the footage but not that much compared to some videos I see online.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 08:17:55 PM
Hi everyone, I'm using and trying all the modules you guys do and I am flattered, great job to ML and you guys. I Convert the files using RAWMagic and importing in AE CC and grading with Camera raw exporting using prores 4444 and editing in premiere CC upscaling to 1080p then exporting .h264.

So my question would be am I doing something wrong cuz I'm happy with the footage but not that much compared to some videos I see online.

Your workflow sounds good , what videos are you referring to , some of them are shot in burst mode with no line skipping in 2.5k , 1728 x 972 with the RAW module is much better than the original 1080p H264 , but nowhere near as good as 2.5k in crop !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on August 26, 2013, 08:23:39 PM
Is there an easy way to do that on a Mac? I found a program that uses the command line, but I was hoping there was something easier. I've been searching but haven’t found the right .MLV thread.

Any more thoughts on this?

I just added the newest build today and am now getting the .MLVs. Formatted card in computer, then in camera, then made it bootable, and copied the autoexec and ml files.

EDIT: Tried MLV2DNG with no luck, now Im getting "illegal instruction: 4" in the terminal window.

XXXX-iMac:~ username$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/username/Desktop/M26-0003.MLV
Illegal instruction: 4

Anything I'm doing wrong?

THANKS
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jim Jarmusch on August 26, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
Your workflow sounds good , what videos are you referring to , some of them are shot in burst mode with no line skipping in 2.5k , 1728 x 972 with the RAW module is much better than the original 1080p H264 , but nowhere near as good as 2.5k in crop !

Yes I am shooting 1728 x 972 raw grading it with adobe camera raw and exporting it with AE CC with prores 4444 and upscaling it in premiere CC and exporting in h.264. Are my codecs right?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 08:36:51 PM
Yes I am shooting 1728 x 972 raw grading it with adobe camera raw and exporting it with AE CC with prores 4444 and upscaling it in premiere CC and exporting in h.264. Are my codecs right?

your workflow is fine , you could export uncompressed instead of prores if you got the space , if your final output in h264 does not look as good as what it should raise the bitrate a bit

but don't expect 1728 x 972 in non crop to look as good as some of the footage (https://vimeo.com/71915327) you might have seen
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: briwil on August 26, 2013, 08:45:36 PM
Yes I am shooting 1728 x 972 raw grading it with adobe camera raw and exporting it with AE CC with prores 4444 and upscaling it in premiere CC and exporting in h.264. Are my codecs right?

Well first, the question we have for you is, are you really Jim Jarmusch?  ???
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 26, 2013, 08:48:43 PM
First I just want to say fantastic work, I am still in disbelief that the 7D is recording raw after all the issues with the Dual Processors.
I spent the weekend playing with raw and now with the extra res and fixed live view I want to take time off work to just play more.

I have noticed that Aliasing/Moire is far more apparent with Raw, can anyone who has it tell me how well the VAF-7D Moire / Aliasing Filter works when using the latest build?
Is this something that the camera hardware is causing or could a lot of it be removed with future tweaks to Magic Lantern?
Moire and Aliasing has been driving me nuts and is pretty much the only thing making this camera next to perfect for me but I don't want to drop 300 dollars until I know it has a significant difference when shooting raw.

Once again thank you so much for keeping at the development of the 7D  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 08:59:04 PM
First I just want to say fantastic work, I am still in disbelief that the 7D is recording raw after all the issues with the Dual Processors.
I spent the weekend playing with raw and now with the extra res and fixed live view I want to take time off work to just play more.

I have noticed that Aliasing/Moire is far more apparent with Raw, can anyone who has it tell me how well the VAF-7D Moire / Aliasing Filter works when using the latest build?
Is this something that the camera hardware is causing or could a lot of it be removed with future tweaks to Magic Lantern?
Moire and Aliasing has been driving me nuts and is pretty much the only thing making this camera next to perfect for me but I don't want to drop 300 dollars until I know it has a significant difference when shooting raw.

Once again thank you so much for keeping at the development of the 7D  ;D

Aliasing/Moire is caused by line skipping , the camera  uses the whole sensor (18mp) but skips lines to output a lower resolution , ML has a solution for that and it's called crop mode , it only uses a part of the sensor without having to skip lines

This is from what i understand

Take a look at the test footage (https://vimeo.com/72202406) i have uploaded a while ago with lots of bricks and tiles shots , see if you can spot any moire/aliasing
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jim Jarmusch on August 26, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
Well first, the question we have for you is, are you really Jim Jarmusch?  ???

Well, hem, yeah, dude, I mean if u are briwil, sure, why not. Joke by side of course I'm not Jim Jarmusch. Jim shoots on 35mm and on Arri Alexa as by "Only Lovers Left Alive".
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 26, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Thanks for your quick reply kh3naz, 2.5k is beautiful indeed and I have run my own tests with it last weekend with beautiful results also but its not very useful in a real filming situation where you need to record continuously least I could not get more than a few seconds of footage.

I have yet to test the latest build in crop mode so maybe I'm missing something, does it allow us to record more than a few seconds now?

If not for my purposes I am limited to using the camera in non cropped mode which still has issues and is why I'm looking for a solution.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 09:36:20 PM
Thanks for your quick reply kh3naz, 2.5k is beautiful indeed and I have run my own tests with it last weekend with beautiful results also but its not very useful in a real filming situation where you need to record continuously least I could not get more than a few seconds of footage.

I have yet to test the latest build in crop mode so maybe I'm missing something, does it allow us to record more than a few seconds now?

If not for my purposes I am limited to using the camera in non cropped mode which still has issues and is why I'm looking for a solution.

I am no Magic Lantern geek so i can't really answer you , i didn't really get answers to my own questions but i think RAW in non crop has reached its limit with 1728 x 972 continuous , the only solution for moire/aliasing is the VAF filter as far as i know

In crop mode the image is just perfect , but i can only record ~400 frames in 1728 x 972 right now , i don't understand why it isn't continuous as in non crop , continuous 1080p in crop would be amazing , let's hope for the best
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 26, 2013, 09:50:00 PM
Its probably just something that needs some tweaking, I would settle for 1728 res in crop continuous but yes 1080p would be a dream come true.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: flofifull on August 26, 2013, 10:02:27 PM
I got something to report on the brunonicko build, I get corrupted frames from time to time during a single movie (not only at the beginning)

Strange thing but I have some corrupt frames too with Global Draw activated but no one when Global Draw off.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 26, 2013, 10:04:06 PM
In crop mode the image is just perfect , but i can only record ~400 frames in 1728 x 972 right now , i don't understand why it isn't continuous as in non crop , continuous 1080p in crop would be amazing , let's hope for the best


without FPS override the default fps for 5X zoom mode is 29.97 = less recording time
in normal live view fps is 24 = continuos recording time on 1000x cards
Fps override it's not yet implemented
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 26, 2013, 10:09:14 PM

without FPS override the default fps for 5X zoom mode is 29.97 = less recording time
in normal live view fps is 24 = continuos recording time on 1000x cards
Fps override it's not yet implemented

You are right i forgot about the different framerates , this makes sense
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 10:53:17 PM
Someone mentioned something earlier but I wanted to double-check, has there been some progress made with 128gb cards? Will they work with ML on the 7D now?

yes. Testing the KomputerBay CF cards I have,  128 gig capacity was not the issue. It was the chip firmware versions.

You should be able to both run firmware and ML on a 128 1000x with no problems.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Aquablue71 on August 26, 2013, 10:57:07 PM
at least it seems that i got the firmware up an running.
I also found the raw menu entry. When i now try to record in raw the cam just gives a short peep noise and some error text (please dont ask me what i am not so fast in reading ;)). When in now look into my card i have a bunch of .RAW files.
Does anyone have any tips, why it always stops after a few seconds?
And maybe some stupid question. how can i play the raw files?

By the way i am using the 1000x card.
My raw setting is 1728*972

i am realy happy about every hint :)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 26, 2013, 10:58:20 PM
my understanding is that using 128GB cards for shooting isn't a problem, you just need to load ML from another card first

All these developments are making me impatient... I think I'll just order the 1050x card and card reader and report back how they work. Seems there's no real definitive reason why they wouldn't

:)

For Komputer Bay CF cards the 1000X 128gig, 64gig, 32gig, they all work with 5DmkII and 7D.

The 1050x 128 gig WIL NOT. This is due to newer firmware on the card controller.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 26, 2013, 11:45:30 PM

We already know the price for the shipment, need to wait for know the price of the rest of the material but for not waiting more we will open the game already for we can ship (is what take more time). 

For those who want to participate in the game just need to send me a PM with the value that want to participate. After you will receive a PM with the rest of the instructions.

Good Gaming !!!  :D

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJqzXLhtFjddERyZkRDQTYyOE93RXhNaHFEaUpYZEE#gid=0




Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 26, 2013, 11:55:24 PM
Hi! With this new update, 7D record files with format .MLV no .RAW...  ??? For me, Mac user, can't work with it... What can i do?

Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 27, 2013, 02:19:27 AM
Hi! With this new update, 7D record files with format .MLV no .RAW...  ??? For me, Mac user, can't work with it... What can i do?

Thanks!  ;D

Go here and download the Mac version in the first post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0

This is a terminal utility that will rip the MLV into individual .DNG frames. All you have to do is open up the terminal and drag the utility into the terminal. The terminal should then show the path of the utility. For example, I put the utility into my Applications folder so when I dragged it into the terminal it read: /Applcations/mlv2dng

The add a space (you may already have a space at the end, in which case, don't worry about adding another) and then drag the .mlv file into the terminal so you now have the path to  the .mlv file showing. In the end, it should look something like this:

Code: [Select]
$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/USERNAME/Download/FILENAME.MLV
Then hit Enter. It will rip all the individual, sequenced frames to your user folder. I'm not sure why it doesn’t just rip them into the same directory that the .mlv file is in, but for me it put all the frames into the User folder. I was then able to bring them into Photoshop to do my CameraRAW corrections and into AfterEffects, or wherever.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 27, 2013, 03:09:51 AM
First tests results with the 1920*818 Crop mode, using the Brunonickos build.


Hard to frame the picture in the "crop mode", as the picture displayed is not actually as the same size as the one captured.
It's kinda tricky with such tiny subjects ^^

is there a way to add anything to help me framing in this mode?  ???

I'll try the new build tomorrow if the weather is less windy... ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: slybugg on August 27, 2013, 03:15:17 AM
You need to join the files, they should be called Mxx-xxxx.RAW and any subsequent spanned file should share the same name but end in .RXX.

Files are automatically spanned when you reach the 4 GB limit of the FAT32 file system.

Any hints on joining the files?  I am using Rawmagic to turn the Raw files into dng files, on a Mac.  I can switch to PC if I must.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 27, 2013, 03:40:37 AM
@ Pelican

Beautiful photo, look like a baby bird but the clows  :D ...hope you are enjoying Brazil, with some cachaça, gatas and samba.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 04:23:36 AM
Hard to frame the picture in the "crop mode", as the picture displayed is not actually as the same size as the one captured.
It's kinda tricky with such tiny subjects ^^

is there a way to add anything to help me framing in this mode?  ???


I'm too confused on "crop-mode"... how does one frame it? what you see in the LV is what you'll get?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 27, 2013, 04:28:30 AM
Quote
It was the chip firmware versions.

So the 1050X cards aren't backwards compatible to work in the camera? Highest DMA or bust?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 04:34:36 AM
So the 1050X cards aren't backwards compatible to work in the camera? Highest DMA or bust?

Based on their explanation the the newer firmware now used on their 1050x cards was designed to better protect the chips from being corrupted with non usb3 card readers, at the expense of it not being readable to the older 5d2 and 7d camera for firmware, both ML and canon's. In our tests the 5dmkIII was able to use it but the ML was in the SD card. We were not able to try placing ML on the CF itself due to lack of time.

They reverted their 1000x cards to older firmware to make them compatible to canon cameras and ML at the expense of very slight speed difference with the 64 and 32 gigs and that you have to make sure you get the compatible usb 3.0 udma7 readers.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 27, 2013, 04:37:48 AM
what you see in the LV is what you'll get?

nope the picture is more cropped on the liveview than in the video that is recorded
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 27, 2013, 04:54:46 AM
I can see it not reading the boot flag fir.. but if the camera can use the space ML should be able to run unless you can't touch the boot sector of the card, which would be bad if say you wanted to run windows on it in an embedded PC; so they probably didn't do that.

Otherwise it can be unreadable to lower UDMA versions and completely incompatible with the cameras or drop back into some lower mode and be painfully slow.

So maybe the cards were bad for the original install but OK otherwise?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 04:58:14 AM
Go here and download the Mac version in the first post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0

This is a terminal utility that will rip the MLV into individual .DNG frames. All you have to do is open up the terminal and drag the utility into the terminal. The terminal should then show the path of the utility. For example, I put the utility into my Applications folder so when I dragged it into the terminal it read: /Applcations/mlv2dng

The add a space (you may already have a space at the end, in which case, don't worry about adding another) and then drag the .mlv file into the terminal so you now have the path to  the .mlv file showing. In the end, it should look something like this:

Code: [Select]
$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/USERNAME/Download/FILENAME.MLV
Then hit Enter. It will rip all the individual, sequenced frames to your user folder. I'm not sure why it doesn’t just rip them into the same directory that the .mlv file is in, but for me it put all the frames into the User folder. I was then able to bring them into Photoshop to do my CameraRAW corrections and into AfterEffects, or wherever.

Can you play this .mlv file in the camera? ..ie.. checking the footage after being shot? I guess I could try it and find out but want to know first :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 05:01:39 AM
I can see it not reading the boot flag fir.. but if the camera can use the space ML should be able to run unless you can't touch the boot sector of the card, which would be bad if say you wanted to run windows on it in an embedded PC; so they probably didn't do that.

Otherwise it can be unreadable to lower UDMA versions and completely incompatible with the cameras or drop back into some lower mode and be painfully slow.

So maybe the cards were bad for the original install but OK otherwise?

We didn't go to that level in our tests. KB techsupport explained to me there is still a much lower level of formatting the cards that they do, it will be raw, I didn't understand it thoroughly.

The cameras are kinda "smart" in a way that even if we changed partitions and allocated different sizes on the cards, the camera's would still format it back to its original capacity.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 27, 2013, 05:17:41 AM
But does it read in the 7D/5DII/50D just to take photos,etc? And then ultimately is it any faster than a 1000x card (I guess no).

If the camera can use it, ML should boot, unless you're only using a signed binary (ie early EOSM/5DIII,etc)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 27, 2013, 06:21:34 AM
-THE GAME NOW IS FULL OPEN-

Don't be late for the ML Championship League!!! Click or you will miss !!!

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Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rai2121 on August 27, 2013, 06:27:44 AM
I got the chance to test out the updated raw module today. I wanted to try to get some skin tones in a difficult situation and in an easier one. I used a 64GB 1000x Komputerbay card. The first shot is a mid with the subject partially in the sun and the shade. I forgot that I didn't have my VAF on for the first shot, but I put it in for the second one, which is a closeup with the subject evenly exposed. I've been really impressed with the image that has been coming out of the 7D with the raw module.

All the DNGs were processed in Lightroom. I added some sharpness to try and pull out the detail that was there without going overboard. I recovered the highlights as much as I could. I had to adjust the tint back to 0, and I moved the white balance to about 5000 K. Hopefully this is helpful for someone. Major props again to the whole ML team and all the forum members that have contributed to getting the 7D this far. Lets keep pushing!


It should be downloadable if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 06:51:08 AM
- Using crop mode, I can record (not in silent picture, raw_rec!) around 200 - 300 frames in 2.5k, without glitches and frame corruption beyond the 600px limit, no problem at all![/b]

Excuse me if I sound like a noob..I'm still trying to learn here... I searched and couldn't find any info on how you can record in crop mode in 2.5K?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 07:40:01 AM
For Komputer Bay CF cards the 1000X 128gig, 64gig, 32gig, they all work with 5DmkII and 7D.

The 1050x 128 gig WIL NOT. This is due to newer firmware on the card controller.

I thought you could load ML from a different card, and then pop one of these in for actual recording? If not, I need to cancel my order a.s.a.p....
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 07:40:44 AM
Excuse me if I sound like a noob..I'm still trying to learn here... I searched and couldn't find any info on how you can record in crop mode in 2.5K?

To record in crop mode, you engage live view,

Press the magnify to 5X, (its best to disable 10x in ML menu as for now it freezes cam)

Go to raw video menu and select resolution and aspect ratio.

For now 2512 x 1200 (the highest possible) only gives you less than a hundred frames.

1920 x 1080 = approx 200 frames

1600 x 800 = continuous record

1728 x 724 = continuous record.

Unlike in the 5DmkII where you can have proper framing in crop mode, in the 7D this is not implemented yet, so what you see is a "crop of the 3x" frame that is actually recorded.

In the 5dmkII, you are shown the proper 3X crop framing while in preview, its in grayscale and its low res and not in realtime.
Upon start of record, the image becomes high res, real time BUT its now the canon 5x crop. So you your framing is pretty much up to your imagination while rolling.

Also, since 5DmkII has FPS over ride you can dial in 23.976 while in crop mode to get 24p, on the 7D which does not yet have FPS over ride, crop mode is only 30P.

Hopefully this gets better and gets ported to the 7D as well.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 07:41:39 AM
I thought you could load ML from a different card, and then pop one of these in for actual recording? If not, I need to cancel my order a.s.a.p....

Unfortunately, NOT on the 5D mkII or 7D. only on the 5dmkIII. Change it to either 1000x 128 or 64.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 07:45:10 AM
@ted rasmasola: thank you!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 07:45:55 AM
@ted rasmasola: thank you!

Your welcome. See you on the 22nd.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 08:05:21 AM
Unfortunately, NOT on the 5D mkII or 7D. only on the 5dmkIII. Change it to either 1000x 128 or 64.

Wow, thanks Ted! Good thing I was able to cancel the order!! :D Going for the 128 1000x and FCR-HS3 Reader
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 08:16:33 AM
Your welcome. See you on the 22nd.

What's on the 22nd? :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 08:19:48 AM
the meet up you signed up to in dallas?  :)

I could be wrong since nguyen is the most popular name in vietnam.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: flofifull on August 27, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
First tests results with the 1920*818 Crop mode, using the Brunonickos build.


Hard to frame the picture in the "crop mode", as the picture displayed is not actually as the same size as the one captured.
It's kinda tricky with such tiny subjects ^^

is there a way to add anything to help me framing in this mode?  ???

I'll try the new build tomorrow if the weather is less windy... ;)

Here is your solution for framing  in crop mode (but only on 2.5K) : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg65223#msg65223
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 08:47:50 AM
Hi everyone, it's a good time to have a 7d  :) with the great progress going on, thank you so much for making raw video a reality. My question is will a KOMPUTERBAY 32GB Professional COMPACT FLASH CARD CF 600X 90MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 6 RAW be fast enough to record 1080 p raw continuous if we can get the 7d up to that speed? How many mb/s is required?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 08:51:30 AM
Hi everyone, it's a good time to have a 7d  :) with the great progress going on, thank you so much for making raw video a reality. My question is will a KOMPUTERBAY 32GB Professional COMPACT FLASH CARD CF 600X 90MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 6 RAW be fast enough to record 1080 p raw continuous if we can get the 7d up to that speed? How many mb/s is required?

No. Not even for 1728 x 972. The 1000X is just about what you need.

The 800X which they won't be releasing but I am also testing is not even fast enough.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 09:01:02 AM
No. Not even for 1728 x 972. The 1000X is just about what you need.

The 800X which they won't be releasing but I am also testing is not even fast enough.

Thanks Ted
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 09:31:59 AM
Once I get the card and up and running I'll probably do my own tests, but in the mean time- maybe someone can resolve a mystery for me...

How does the crop relate to perspective distortion and depth compression? Actually I'm a bit confused how crop-factor relates to that as a whole, but maybe with the double-crop this is a good place to get overall clarity...

In other words, will a 20mm lens on 7D with crop mode (to keep it simple, let's assume it's 3x) feel like:

1) a 20mm would on full frame, just not the entire field of view (i.e. taking a crop of a picture *after* it's taken)

2) a 60mm would on full frame (3x crop applied *before* the picture is "taken")

3) a 92mm would on full frame (3x crop + 1.6 crop factor, applied *before* the picture is "taken")

Again, I'm talking here about perspective distortion and depth compression, not field of view.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 09:37:37 AM
1) a 20mm would on full frame, just not the entire field of view (i.e. taking a crop of a picture *after* it's taken)

And please let it stop here. Gone through this one at LuLa forum before and it wasn't funny at all.
Do your own test cropping stills and you will come to a conclusion.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
I read that a minute of raw video is about 4gb which is about 67mb/s is that right?
A 64gb card would record about 16 min. of raw 1080p video.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
I read that a minute of raw video is about 4gb which is about 67mb/s is that right?
A 64gb card would record about 16 min. of raw 1080p video.

approx 15.08 min. or around 21,763 frames. Give or take. This is based on 1728 x 972 resolution 16:9
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 27, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
Go here and download the Mac version in the first post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0

This is a terminal utility that will rip the MLV into individual .DNG frames. All you have to do is open up the terminal and drag the utility into the terminal. The terminal should then show the path of the utility. For example, I put the utility into my Applications folder so when I dragged it into the terminal it read: /Applcations/mlv2dng

The add a space (you may already have a space at the end, in which case, don't worry about adding another) and then drag the .mlv file into the terminal so you now have the path to  the .mlv file showing. In the end, it should look something like this:

Code: [Select]
$ /Applications/mlv2dng /Users/USERNAME/Download/FILENAME.MLV
Then hit Enter. It will rip all the individual, sequenced frames to your user folder. I'm not sure why it doesn’t just rip them into the same directory that the .mlv file is in, but for me it put all the frames into the User folder. I was then able to bring them into Photoshop to do my CameraRAW corrections and into AfterEffects, or wherever.

Stevelucky thanks! It works for me! :-)

It's a little weird workflow but it works. I preferred the files .Raw because when you use the Raw2Dng also appears mov file with the recorded video, it is very handy for quick viewing. It could give the option to save files. MLV or. RAW on the camera?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 10:10:16 AM
And please let it stop here. Gone through this one at LuLa forum before and it wasn't funny at all.
Do your own test cropping stills and you will come to a conclusion.

Ciao
Walter

hehehe... can you point me to that thread or give over the final conclusion/reason?  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 10:21:08 AM
Conclusion? You know the definition of "discussion" for forum discussions? It is "Deliver written statement. Go ad hominem if not accepted by opponent." And it almost never is.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 10:47:23 AM
approx 15.08 min. or around 21,763 frames. Give or take. This is based on 1728 x 972 resolution 16:9

Wow. I just ordered a 64 gb cf card 1000x.  That should get me started.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 10:48:44 AM
Ah, think I found it- http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=61222.0

Understood- perspective distortion is a factor of distance to subject only, and so in that sense "lens equivalents" can only be discussed in the context of "subject in frame". i.e. if you want to keep the same exact field of view on a crop sensor while using the same lens as you did on a full-frame, you need to move farther back, and therefore the perspective distortion will be exactly like it would be if you didn't switch cameras at all, but rather moved farther back with the full-frame and switched the lens to telephoto (which will give the same field of view as the original wide lens on the full frame, though different distortion)

I think I get it now, do I? :)

Question- does this apply to depth compression as well?



Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 10:52:22 AM
And if that's right, now I get your answer- since a cropped image is a cropped image no matter how you slice it, this applies with the raw crop as well. If you want the same field of view as uncropped, then you'll need to move further back which means less distortion as though shot on telephoto. If you aren't caring about field of view, then perspective distortion is the same as it would be from that camera-to-subject distance with any lens and any camera.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 11:11:59 AM
You may want to verify/falsify this in the field. A short test with stills will do.

Ciao, Walter

PS: Also mentioned in the thread is a perspective distortion only occuring in very short focal lenght lenses. Three-dimensional objects will be stretched near borders of the frame. This is caused by mapping three-dimensional objects to two dimensions by rectilinear projection in non-fisheye lenses. See http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-optics-pro/features/optical-corrections under volume anamorphosis.
Apart from this Feininger has covered the perspective thingy in some of his books. Old stuff, very old stuff. Older than photography.
PPS: This has nothing to do with RAW by ML. Please put further questions into the proper forum.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 11:31:36 AM
Thanks! I can't quite test it yet since I only have 1 camera and 1 (prime) lens and no ML, but I look forward to testing it in the future

Resources look great :) Part of the trick I guess is also separating lens distortion from perspective distortion... but anyway, don't want to take this thread too off track. Thanks for the small tangent and pointing me in the right direction... suffice it to say the raw crop is like the same theory as the "crop factor" we're used to, but what that means practically is something else entirely and could use some tests to show how the numbers/images work out exactly.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _7D_ on August 27, 2013, 12:42:47 PM
Hi Guys!

Please help me, I'm a little bit confused.

A week ago, I tried RAW video. Now I want to upgrade it to the latest version. Which files do I have to copy on my CF?
The files from #436 or #444?

Greets
_7D_
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 12:56:50 PM
Is anyone recording 24p or 25p in 1728 x 972 continuously?

I have a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x CF card that reaches a contiuous write speed of over 80 MB/s in the benchmark. Yet I cannot record continuous 25p in 1728 x 972, which averages at 70 MB/s.
The same card has previously been used to continuously record 25fps 1080p with the 5D Mark III Raw hack. So it can't be the card.

Are there any modules that I might have to switch off? I tried siwtching off the dual_iso.mo and ettr.mo for instance, but no change.

I used these files for installation:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7752.msg67944#msg67944

And then swapped these files provided by britom:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb


Perhaps someone who is running 1728 x 972 continuously could provide the necessary files. Or perhaps I oversaw something fundamentally.

1600 x 900 is running continuously at 25fps.


Amazing work by the Magic Lantern team and community by the way! Thanks for reviving my long dead 7D.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
You switched global draw off and set output to s-jpeg?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 27, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
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The second game is still on... don't be late, the clock is tik-tak tik-tak  :D


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Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 01:35:28 PM
Sorry- new here, what's this and how do I play?  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 27, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
Sorry- new here, what's this and how do I play?  ;D

Hi,

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70528#msg70528

...and welcome to the CLUB  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: obiyan19 on August 27, 2013, 01:46:51 PM
just discovered a brand sell 1050x cards.

ebay item 400549431921

anyone know ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 01:47:14 PM
You switched global draw off and set output to s-jpeg?

Ciao, Walter

Still drops a frame after some while :(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 27, 2013, 02:27:49 PM
Sorry, can't help here. ted?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: pest01 on August 27, 2013, 03:17:26 PM
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Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 27, 2013, 03:29:06 PM
Hi arrinkiiii,

Where and how do we deposit $ for 1% equipment?

Thanks!!

Hi pest01,

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Thank you.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 03:45:56 PM
Issues I've run into so far:

- No continuous recording in neither 24fps 1728 x 972, nor 25fps 1728 x 972. Switching off global draw and setting output to s-jpg didn't help either.

- 1600 x 900 seems to work continuously with 24fps and 25fps.

- Screen sometimes freezes when jumping into 10x magnification.

- I'm having issues with white lines when attaching an external monitor. These white lines / boxes obscure the image and are pretty annoying. I have no idea how to get rid of them.

Other than that I'm pretty amazed so far. Keep up the good work! :)

Could britom or someone perhaps make the whole folder structure with all the necessary files available for download? Perhaps these issues have something to do with using old files.


EDIT: What did you format your CF cards to? Mine used to be FAT32 and then I tried formatig it to exFAT (as with the Mark III). However in exFAT the card is not recognized by the camera.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
Still drops a frame after some while :(

did you turn on Small Hacks in raw video menu?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 27, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
I'd still need some concrete proof to see 1050x cards don't read/write on 7D/5DII, etc. However looking up other brands isn't going to help here, I think you're just wasting money. 7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6. So does 50D and 5DII. 5DIII is the only one that currently supports it. Like buying a 90MB/s card for the SD cameras... you won't beat the controller.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
Issues I've run into so far:

- No continuous recording in neither 24fps 1728 x 972, nor 25fps 1728 x 972. Switching off global draw and setting output to s-jpg didn't help either.

- 1600 x 900 seems to work continuously with 24fps and 25fps.

- Screen sometimes freezes when jumping into 10x magnification.

- I'm having issues with white lines when attaching an external monitor. These white lines / boxes obscure the image and are pretty annoying. I have no idea how to get rid of them.

Other than that I'm pretty amazed so far. Keep up the good work! :)

Could britom or someone perhaps make the whole folder structure with all the necessary files available for download? Perhaps these issues have something to do with using old files.


EDIT: What did you format your CF cards to? Mine used to be FAT32 and then I tried formatig it to exFAT (as with the Mark III). However in exFAT the card is not recognized by the camera.

-Did you turn on small hacks?

-with external monitor, use ML grayscale in raw preview to get rid of off centered white rectangle. -in ext monitor its still in color.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 04:17:01 PM
I'd still need some concrete proof to see 1050x cards don't read/write on 7D/5DII, etc. However looking up other brands isn't going to help here, I think you're just wasting money. 7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6. So does 50D and 5DII. 5DIII is the only one that currently supports it. Like buying a 90MB/s card for the SD cameras... you won't beat the controller.

I can't do more tests on it as I've my 1050X back already. BUT, a 1200X is on its way and we'll be testing that extensively. -you'd know about that within the week.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 27, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Hmm... I am getting a lot of corrupted frames when recording RAW video, crop mode....
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
Hmm... I am getting a lot of corrupted frames when recording RAW video, crop mode....

yeah, its still there. even in 1X.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _7D_ on August 27, 2013, 04:53:42 PM
Another question:

Please let me know if the question was already here. Is it possible to record 1280x720 without cropping the picture? So, I would like to record the same area as the standard video-mode would do.

Greets
_7D_
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 05:18:28 PM
Another question:

Please let me know if the question was already here. Is it possible to record 1280x720 without cropping the picture? So, I would like to record the same area as the standard video-mode would do.

Greets
_7D_

not possible with raw video.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on August 27, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
_7D_

Shooting 1280x720 results in cropping into sensor. It will have a crop factor of somewhere near 2x. Basically a white box that serves as your framing lines will shrink inside of LV that shows you how much you're cropping into the image at 1280 x 720. It's certainly not the same as pressing the 5x zoom and recording a 1280x720 image, that would be a crop factor somewhere between 3x and 5x.

The reason we don't record 1280x720 in full-frame is because they skip more than two lines in the sensor readout. There would be so much moire and aliasing the image wouldn't really be appealing. However, from the perspective of cropping your image in camera and simply using the 2x crop sensor space, you'll be able to record a lot more footage than you would at full resolution.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 05:23:22 PM
How does the dynamic range in raw mode compare to h.264?

I know that can be a bit subjective, but with like a grey-scale test-chart, what's the ballpark difference?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 27, 2013, 05:25:00 PM
I found that my 7D has unusual low write speed.  Is it possible to multi channelling the EDMAC? Like assign every individual RAW a different EDMAC? But do remember to clean the buffer memory address when moving file away from the buffer.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 27, 2013, 05:50:27 PM
How does the dynamic range in raw mode compare to h.264?

no tests charts here but this will give you an idea

H264 Cinestyle (flat)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cubeupload.com%2FUbJiR1.jpg&hash=2c822015b4ff46ee77e056690872ad92)

H264 Cinestyle (S-Curve)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cubeupload.com%2FH29bgt.jpg&hash=df587ea375811a8088950aeac8ade5ad)

RAW
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cubeupload.com%2F5dnJsN.jpg&hash=023b5353656ecaf3c69a617d858720fd)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 27, 2013, 05:53:48 PM
did you turn on Small Hacks in raw video menu?

Thanks ted, that did the trick. I also found that instead of switching global draw off, it is possible to simply turn off overlays while recording.

This way you can still use histograms etc. while setting up a shot.

However, I'm now getting "Hack error at 0" when starting and stopping the recording. But it doesn't seem to impact anything.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Thanks ted, that did the trick. I also found that instead of switching global draw off, it is possible to simply turn off overlays while recording.

This way you can still use histograms etc. while setting up a shot.

However, I'm now getting "Hack error at 0" when starting and stopping the recording. But it doesn't seem to impact anything.

Also, since your using an ext monitor,

Do NOT playback or review raw footage when hdmi ext monitor attached as it will freeze the camera. I havent tested on 7D but thats the behavior with 5DmkII.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _7D_ on August 27, 2013, 07:21:55 PM
I just checked the fact, that the 7D will capture more frames, if the picture quality is set to sJPEG instead of RAW. For me, it's true - about 75% more frames. But what's the reason behind it?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: blackjack102 on August 27, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
Another question:

Please let me know if the question was already here. Is it possible to record 1280x720 without cropping the picture? So, I would like to record the same area as the standard video-mode would do.

Greets
_7D_

Same here, I like to shoot at standard video mode in raw as well. I set up my camera: no crop, 1280x514 and 16:9 ratio. I made a sample video on my youtube channel, unlisted, and I stretched the frames to 1280x720. Here the video is:


It looks like standard video mode to me and it is good enough for me. I recorded the video at 8:30pm when the sun is down. I adjusted the raw video to look like a daylight.

I have questions. I made the video above here, and I was followed an instruction and installed on my 7D four days ago. The version did not have live view while record raw video. I managed one of scene has 1,500 frames without stop itself. Now, I install newer version from britom's built (working live view) and notice that my set (no crop, 1280x514 and 16:9 ratio) could not do more than 900 or 1100 frames depends on another options. I tried different setting like small hack, off global draw or etc. Now, I can't get continuous with this setting, but I can't recall if old version that I got continuous message or not. That was me or new version lose some write speed. My card is 16gb extreme 90mbps udma 7 sandisk, and I know 7D can't use udma 7.

How do I delete a video from camera? or have to manual?

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
No. Not even for 1728 x 972. The 1000X is just about what you need.

The 800X which they won't be releasing but I am also testing is not even fast enough.

1% said "7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6"

But I can't find any 1000x cards that are not UDMA7 
I have a UDMA7 card shipped to me based on "The 1000X is just about what you need."
Should I send it back?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mfegus on August 27, 2013, 08:00:58 PM
I am experimenting with 7D raw as well. Do you have the same problems with vertical lines when shooting in low-iso performance?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cubeupload.com%2FcXrUfF.jpg&hash=4c3ef105be678ec7624e5f2fde5d6577)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 27, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
I am experimenting with 7D raw as well. Do you have the same problems with vertical lines when shooting in low-iso performance?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cubeupload.com%2FcXrUfF.jpg&hash=4c3ef105be678ec7624e5f2fde5d6577)

I've seen this in my experiments with High ISO.  Not unusual, the RED ONE does the exact same thing!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: thoma on August 27, 2013, 08:05:01 PM
I've had the lines issue from the beginning - its present in 2.5k crop mode as well as the full sensor capture (though with the full sensor footage there's also what looks like a downscaling pattern on top)  Anyone know what's causing these?  I was even getting some extra burned in patches where the lines are stronger - is this just the state of my sensor?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 27, 2013, 08:08:10 PM
Question for anyone who might know these details:

For some RAW shots I make at different ISO's, when I make the .DNG's using Raw2Dng displays this message while rendering each frame:

"Interlace pattern not supported.  ISO Pattern: BdBd"

Funny thing is, the .DNGs are fine and the shots come out normal looking.  Odd???  Am I doing something wrong?  Are there ISO's we shouldn't use?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mfegus on August 27, 2013, 08:20:14 PM
Here is the same scene shot under the same light conditions, same iso - just shot with 60D. Almost none stripes there. :)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cubeupload.com%2Fzntwmi.jpg&hash=f7b15bb45bec49c939b0f7ed67e944ef)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hunchen on August 27, 2013, 08:32:15 PM
hey ,
thanks to all helping hands making ml raw video work on the 7d.
after some tests, i took my cam with me on a sailing trip. (this was last thursday, so no real liveview and just 1600x600 conineous recording)

full resolution
http://quenker.de/rawsailing.mp4 (http://quenker.de/rawsailing.mp4)
or vimeo will be up in bout 20 minutes, but less quality

everything was shot handheld with a canon 50mm 1.8, nd fader and the sandisk extreme 60mb/s
grading with davinci resolve lite
cut with premiere pro

now i'm serching for an onset storage solution.
i don't want to buy several 1000x cards, so i thought to buy 2 komputerbay 32gb 1000x cards and one nexto di nd2730.
one card is in the cam the other's transfering the data to the nexto di.
one 32 gb card gives you about 7-8 minutes of recording right?
does anyone have experience with the nexto di?
or do you have other solutions?

greets hun
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MACKY64 on August 27, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
1% said "7D doesn't support UDMA7, only UDMA6"

But I can't find any 1000x cards that are not UDMA7 
I have a UDMA7 card shipped to me based on "The 1000X is just about what you need."
Should I send it back?

7D cannot use up performance of UDMA7, but can use it.
I use the Compact Flash of UDMA7.(Transcend 64GB 1000x)
I do not have any problem at all. :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 27, 2013, 08:48:18 PM
now i'm serching for an onset storage solution.
i don't want to buy several 1000x cards, so i thought to buy 2 komputerbay 32gb 1000x cards and one nexto di nd2730.
one card is in the cam the other's transfering the data to the nexto di.
one 32 gb card gives you about 7-8 minutes of recording right?
does anyone have experience with the nexto di?
or do you have other solutions?

greets hun

If you already have a laptop and maybe a card reader, this portable hard drive might be a cheaper solution?
http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-External-Portable-Silver-Version/dp/B005KT2FYK/ref=pd_cp_pc_2 (http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-External-Portable-Silver-Version/dp/B005KT2FYK/ref=pd_cp_pc_2)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 27, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
For vertical stripes problem, try disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction in camera (Canon Menu)

@blackjack102 something serious is wrong with your video. When you record in RAW image should be quite noticeably sharper and dynamic range is way to wider.
But remember you need to be working in 16-bit workspace to harnes the power of RAW (because this ML RAW is 14-bit, as Canon RAW pictures)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 27, 2013, 10:23:49 PM
no tests charts here but this will give you an idea

Thanks kh3naz, that does give me an idea!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Macro7d on August 27, 2013, 10:28:10 PM
7D cannot use up performance of UDMA7, but can use it.
I use the Compact Flash of UDMA7.(Transcend 64GB 1000x)
I do not have any problem at all. :)

Thanks MACKY64

Ok that makes sense, how much slower is it on the 7d?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MACKY64 on August 27, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
Thanks MACKY64

Ok that makes sense, how much slower is it on the 7d?

sorry, i don't know it exactly.
However, it is high-speed enough.
In the case of me, the highest write speed is more than 90MB by the benchmark.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jemabaris on August 27, 2013, 11:43:59 PM
sorry, i don't know it exactly.
However, it is high-speed enough.
In the case of me, the highest write speed is more than 90MB by the benchmark.


I was lucky enough to purchase a 5D mk III today and benched the same komputerbay 1000x card. The 7D gave me an average of about 83ish with a peek of about 90. The 5D gives me up to 116.
All values by heart. Not 100% sure about them :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 28, 2013, 01:29:02 AM
Yep, 1000x UDMA 7 card will run at UDMA6... thats why I think 10XX cards will work too unless they don't support 6 and drop you to some compatibility mode... its like a hard drive. ATA133 drives still work with ATA66 interfaces at reduced performance... the only thing KB could do is drop the lower "ATA" standard and stick you in something like PIO mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 28, 2013, 03:18:38 AM
Here is your solution for framing  in crop mode (but only on 2.5K) : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg65223#msg65223

Thanks!  :D

I missed this post!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on August 28, 2013, 03:53:29 AM
figured i'd throw this on here to see what any devs working on the module think:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjust.razzi.me%2Fphotos%2F1133886%2Fa94bbfc.jpg&hash=f2c28c42cf3ce2bd008811de6bd0d4f7)


Sandisk 60mb/s card. I can get about 84 images consistently in 2.5k at 29.97. These two were 82, and 83, at 23.976.

Small hacks off (gave me a hack error?), Sjpeg, global draw off.

I guess that means it's somehow possible to trick it into 23.976 in crop mode, I'm not sure how I did it, but maybe this can some how help someone figure out fps override.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: emmikiruba on August 28, 2013, 05:45:49 AM



This cinematographed site is a Heritage of UNESCO. It is located near Chennai, India. The place is known as Mamallapuram. It was visualised and created by Pallava Dynasty who ruled Tamil Nadu between 2nd and 9th centure CE. These were sculpted from single stones which were abounding that sea shore area. It was visualised by a Pallava King Mahendra Pallavan. The sculptors drilled, holed and chiseled away unwanted pieces of stone to give such a 'built' appearance. It is a marvel of architechtural workmanship. The intricacies of scarving and sculpting is mind blowing.

Now coming to technical side - Canon 7D camera with RAW ML moduless was used with Tamaron 17-50 2.8 lens. As the tripod was not allowed everything was shot hand held. In this build 'live view' was not enabled. so only blind shooting. NO pan or zoom was possible. Just a 10 or 15 mtes quick shoot.

The post processing of RAW was done in Photo shop CS5.1 converted into TIFF images. Then  Premere output. Originally shot in 1472x626 and upscaled to 2K in PS. Out put is 1080P MP4. This is Indian equatorial top light. The process was for Vivid Colours against stony monotone  with rich blues, greens and stony reds.
Pl pardon the shaky old-man's hand.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: blackjack102 on August 28, 2013, 07:02:11 AM
For vertical stripes problem, try disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction in camera (Canon Menu)

@blackjack102 something serious is wrong with your video. When you record in RAW image should be quite noticeably sharper and dynamic range is way to wider.
But remember you need to be working in 16-bit workspace to harnes the power of RAW (because this ML RAW is 14-bit, as Canon RAW pictures)

You are right. I was doing very wrong at post processing like everything setting was off and used very high ISO at that time. I made another sample with 16-bit workspace and got same result like another posts with good samples above. Thank you for the point that was helpful!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 28, 2013, 10:47:37 AM
Looks like it's going to be another week or two till I get my card reader+card, but in the meantime I'm wondering, how does one know which files to install?

What I mean is- for example, the first post in this thread (by noisyboy) does not contain the info about BrunoNicko's files... without reading this thread start to finish, how would one know where the latest and greatest updates are?

Aside from wanting to play with the shiniest new version, I would think the developers would want feedback with clear indications of which source is being run and to differentiate from new bugs and old bugs...?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Kakuda on August 28, 2013, 10:51:58 AM
Thank you so much for this :)

7D Raw Test:

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 28, 2013, 10:59:14 AM
I refreshed the ML zip on my site (http://pel.hu/ML/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2.zip) with BrunoNicko's version so EOScards downloads that now with working LV during raw_rec.

If anyone can compile ML 7D regularly and make a complete zip file  and upload it somewhere with the same name then I can set up EOScard to use that link.

Cheers from Brazil.

Hey Pelican, forgive me for being a bit slow, but can you please detail what you need exactly and how it differs from the Nightly Builds?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 28, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
-- obsolete because of pelican's newest info --


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 28, 2013, 11:22:29 AM
+1 for the Hitchiker's Guide reference  ;D

Firmware linked on that page is out of date, right?

Is it worth getting community feedback on the solution in discussion?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 28, 2013, 11:23:44 AM
d'oh, you beat me to it. Also, I feel funny asking this but I promise I can't find the button anywhere- is there a way to get notifications about thread updates? I find myself hitting refresh too often for my dayjob's liking ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dfgh on August 28, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
A couple of issue I have at the moment are manifying the screen to get focus, locks up the image on screen requiring a restart and a flashing bar where the histogram is when shooting. I only get the second problem (flashing) when using my Lexar 64gb 800x
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tjunkkila on August 28, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Here's my short contribution to battle of raw. Just some random shots. enjoy.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tjunkkila on August 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
A couple of issue I have at the moment are manifying the screen to get focus, locks up the image on screen requiring a restart and a flashing bar where the histogram is when shooting. I only get the second problem (flashing) when using my Lexar 64gb 800x

You probably mean the 10x zoom freezing problem. Try checking the ML menu and disable 10x zoom.
Can't help on the flickering issue. There are more wiser men on forum.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 28, 2013, 03:22:50 PM
-For those who get the 10x zoom freeze => ML Menu /Prefs tab / LiveView zoom tweaks /Zoom x10, Disable

-For those who have update to the new compilation of britom with the new things/updates from g3gg0, like getting the MLV files in the root of your card (the new raw file from Magic Lantern), just use this http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.msg70548#msg70548 for get the DNG's. Put one folder in the root of your disk with the mlv2dng.exe  and  your mlv file. Drag and drop (like it is hot) your mlv file in the mlv2dng program.

*Didn't try the version before the last one... but look like this last version is a lot more smooth.

-Flickering issue: For what i read is because the use of the highlight recovery slide and others recovery slides in ACR. I think if you don't use ACR you don't get this... or if you use curves for highlight recovery you can manage to not have flickering issues. Don't remember here i read this, but use the search feature.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 28, 2013, 03:28:49 PM
I basically managed to work out all the issues. The only thing I'm now left with is the error message and the loud beeping sound when starting a video with small hacks enabled. Is there a way around this?

Great advice about the 10x magnification by the way.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 28, 2013, 03:49:09 PM
mlv2dng is so hard to use. With another program, I can specify which directory to put the DNG files, click GO, and it will convert by itself, and put different shots into different directory by itself, so I just need to put CF card into the card reader, choose a directory and click GO, then I can stay away from the program. But with mlv2dng, I need to copy all the files in the CF card root directory, deselect some ML files, copy all the files into mlv2dng's directory, drag and drop all the files on mlv2dng.exe(sometimes not working), and sort all all the footages and cut and paste to another directory.

BTW, one time I have got a very large like 600M size .m0 file with .mlv files, which I could not process and know not what it is.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 28, 2013, 03:53:44 PM
BTW, one time I have got a very large like 600M size .m0 file with .mlv files, which I could not process and know not what it is.

It's spanning files i think. Is wend you reach the 4gb file, the camera start spanning the file in files. You need to get together that files in one file. Exist a tool for that in ML forum.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 28, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
http://www.robgalbraith.com/camera_wb_multi_page0c99.html?cid=6007-10294

for all the Compact Flash questions related... cheers ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 28, 2013, 03:58:16 PM
We need an MLVanizer for the MLV files!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 28, 2013, 04:06:30 PM
How are you guys getting MLV files? I'm getting one .raw file and once it exceeds the 4GB it adds additional .rar files. But I'm not getting any MLV files. Which is a good thing I suppose.

These files are easily converted with Rawmagic.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 28, 2013, 04:07:45 PM
@JCBEos: The numbers are very exact and very close to the performance of my CF 800x, seemingly it is sth to do with the camera, rather than the program. Great tks.

@arrinkiiii: I will rather stay with the older version for now. Thanks. But I also get that "pink" garbage pictures in the image chain, like some others. I suspect that it happens more with higher write speed. 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 28, 2013, 04:52:32 PM

we are trying to arrange funds for us to buy some necessary material for 1% developer can work in the code of 7D camera. He already manage to found the shipment of one 7D camera that ML user MAGIC 7D offer to 1%. Know we just need to buy one card.

For donation you just need to send me a private message with the amount that you want to donate. After you will receive a PM with the paypal account from Magic 7D user.

Any help is welcome. You can follow the the chart here,

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJqzXLhtFjddERyZkRDQTYyOE93RXhNaHFEaUpYZEE#gid=0 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 28, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
New Komputerbay 1000x works like a charm! Coninous RAW, no corrupted frames for now. AMAZING! I also did a little stereoscopic test with ML RAW, it looks amazing! ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juanmelchor on August 28, 2013, 05:04:48 PM
New Komputerbay 1000x works like a charm! Coninous RAW, no corrupted frames for now. AMAZING! I also did a little stereoscopic test with ML RAW, it looks amazing! ;-)

Hi! What is your Komputerbay card? 16GB, 32GB, 64GB or 128GB ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on August 28, 2013, 05:43:27 PM
New Komputerbay 1000x works like a charm! Coninous RAW, no corrupted frames for now. AMAZING! I also did a little stereoscopic test with ML RAW, it looks amazing! ;-)

What kind of write speeds are you getting?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 28, 2013, 05:57:33 PM
@wheezl @juanmelchor
It's KomputerBay Professional 32GB 1000x UDMA7 CF
with RAW video 1728x972 it's writing 65-70 MB/s  , continuous without breaking a sweat ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 28, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
Is there a way to hide the information on the top of the screen?

I checked the menu but couldn't find any option for this. Also I couldn't find anything on this board.

The listed information seems more distracting than useful.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on August 28, 2013, 06:16:43 PM
@wheezl @juanmelchor
It's KomputerBay Professional 32GB 1000x UDMA7 CF
with RAW video 1728x972 it's writing 65-70 MB/s  , continuous without breaking a sweat ;-)

Very cool, have you run the benchmark on it to see what it tops out at there?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 28, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
@wheezl yes,
In camera ML Benchmark goes about that 60-70 MB/s, in Windows benchmark (USB 3.0) 80-90 MB/s write speed.
In camera ML Benchmark for read is also around 60-70 MB/s, in Windows read speed is around 120 MB/s.

edit with @Leonard tip:
In camera with ML Benchmark wirte speed is 85-91 MB/s,  read speed is 100-105 MB/s
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Leonard on August 28, 2013, 08:04:16 PM
Quick tip for getting more realistic benchmark results within the camera: Switch to photo mode and run the benchmark with live view turned off.

Then you should get the correct results.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on August 28, 2013, 08:34:36 PM
 :) Hi, Greetings to all, I have a question, what is the last compilation and that works best? I'm a little lost.
thank you very much.

Att Jared J.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on August 28, 2013, 08:47:17 PM
@Jared

Do this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.msg63694#msg63694


And then update Modules folder and Autoexec from this build from @brunonicko
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70152#msg70152
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on August 28, 2013, 08:48:16 PM
MY FIRST RAW VIDEO TEST :)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 28, 2013, 08:55:00 PM
This made my day:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lensrentals.com%2Fblog%2Fmedia%2F2013%2F08%2Flucylantern1.gif&hash=494b56ff2aab12d765cebd9106a3ffe0)

To clarify, there are 3 latest builds:

brunonicko's build with liveview freeze workaround
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip

my first build with liveview freeze workaround, some other updates from the bitbucket repo and latest original raw_rec module that outputs RAW format
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

my second build with liveview freeze workaround, some other updates from the bitbucket repo and g3ggo's latest raw_rec module for testing that outputs MLV format (Some people reported higher write speeds with this build)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2358mdjq2msnivd/9jZlmta0Fb

Just select one build you want and download and extract (if you downloaded a zip file) all the files to your CF card

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on August 28, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Thanx Hbr and Britom!!!
try these and see what works for me
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 28, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Nothing explains better the situation than this animated GIF!
Thanks Britom for this post with the latest builds.
Done some test shoots with my 7D as well:

Not a valid vimeo URL
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 28, 2013, 09:37:07 PM
Nothing explains better the situation than this animated GIF!
Thanks Britom for this post with the latest builds.
Done some test shoots with my 7D as well:

Not a valid vimeo URL

Nice video, what render resolution setting you use for Vimeo? as is? or 1280x720?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on August 28, 2013, 11:05:21 PM
problem with the second build Britom...
after recording everything perfect, but when I turned the camera off, remove the memory to download the files, computer does not recognize the memory. the process must be repeated, format the memory and load the magic lantern again...

any solution about this?

Thanx!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Abstrak on August 28, 2013, 11:32:30 PM
I currently have a 60D which is pretty limited shooting RAW. Is it worth it to pick up a used 7D for 6-700 bucks for RAW now? Or should I wait til the builds are a little less volatile? I'm really on the verge of bartering some music equipment for a BMCC.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 28, 2013, 11:52:32 PM
Nice video, what render resolution setting you use for Vimeo? as is? or 1280x720?

Thanks! I upscaled the clips to 1920x816px.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 28, 2013, 11:59:28 PM
brunonicko's build with liveview freeze workaround
http://www.astronautafilmes.com/clientes/magiclantern/ML_BrunoNicko_26_Ago_2013.zip
This version is available in a full ML zip here: http://pel.hu/ML/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2.zip
(EOScard use this)

If you have a warning about the small hack just turn it off. I've made some modification to make it work but it never went to the main repo, I think.
It's avilable in my repo (Pelican/raw)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 29, 2013, 12:16:40 AM
I currently have a 60D which is pretty limited shooting RAW. Is it worth it to pick up a used 7D for 6-700 bucks for RAW now? Or should I wait til the builds are a little less volatile? I'm really on the verge of bartering some music equipment for a BMCC.

Before the live view was fixed and the vertical resolution was limited to 600 I would have told you to wait but with the latest build I would say yes go for it.
I had very little issue getting it to work, as long as you read carefully how to install it you will be fine.

I will point out some pros and cons as best I can to why you should or shouldn't get one.

PRO
Write speeds reported up to 90mb/s
Dual ISO 14 bit Recording, I can't stress how awesome this is.
Continuous Raw at Native Resolution 1728x972 with fast CF cards.
No moire or aliasing in crop mode.
7D is a very well build and we'll thought out camera in its layout and features.
Still in my opinion one of the best still cameras around if still pics matter to you also.

CON
Dual Processor means its hard to hack, ML builds are always behind other cameras.
No final build of ML, 7D is still very much in alpha.
No 1080p.... Yet crosses fingers.
Occasional pink frames in footage, easy to cut out to be honest.
A few bugs that cause lockup s, annoying but not the end of the world.
No FPS override in crop, yet.
Aliasing and moire in non crop mode is very noticeable when filming patterns.
External monitor support in this build is very broken, don't even plug one in till fixed.

Even though I have listed more cons they are minor issues and the pros really do in my opinion make this camera the second best for raw behind the 5D III, I would say if you could afford the 5D III get that as it's better supported but for cost the 7D is simply amazing for video since raw and dual iso was unlocked.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 29, 2013, 12:38:08 AM
If you don't care about sound or taking pictures, 50D is probably more in the price range of <600 usd.

When 7D gets "stable" the price will probably go up.

Probably goes like 50D -> 7D -> 6D (image quality +FF!)/5DII  ->5d3
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 29, 2013, 01:12:29 AM
While the 50d does seem like a nice option the slower write speeds, smaller native res and lack of audio puts me off, the 6d as well lacks potential from what I've read due to the limited card speeds the slowest of the cameras you mentioned.
I'm assuming that continuous recording is what he wants, if its just short clips then it really would be a different situation.
Speaking of card speeds I could be wrong but isn't the 7D second to only the 5D III, it's the only other camera I think has the potential to do 1080p continuous If that is going to be important to you, although we still don't know if it possible yet.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 29, 2013, 01:30:32 AM
Well 50D does at least 1920x1038 continuous, sometimes it does the whole thing or more. 6D has all the benefits of FF/newer sensor and iso range and can do 720P easily or you can enlarge whatever your card can do.

I bet 5DIII works over 1080P continuous, its the best but $4k.

7D has a decently sized res and 60P mode. I'm really surprised its not doing 1080P continuous... If you've seen 86 or more MB/s then it should. I think the problem is you're stuck at 30P without FPS override and the native LV is lower than 1080P. I guess FPS + display filters are the top priority and also the hardest.

Actually 50D/5DII/5DIII are the only cameras that can do 1080P continuous this moment. Only 5DIII has any hope of writing raw + audio because of the separate cards.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Abstrak on August 29, 2013, 01:45:11 AM
Thanks Dragon and 1% for the feedback I'll keep and eye on this thread. I seen a 7D body for 425 on craigslist while most other were going for 7-800. So either the owner is hard pressed for cash or the body / electronics is trashed. I may go check it out and see how bad it really is at 400 thats a steal even in a half way decent condition.  I may just save up for the 5D3 maybe catch a black friday deal or something.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 29, 2013, 03:55:26 AM
Now testing the 256gig 1200X on the 7D and 5DmkII, will test with the mkIII tomorrow.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 29, 2013, 04:06:14 AM
Well 50D does at least 1920x1038 continuous, sometimes it does the whole thing or more. 6D has all the benefits of FF/newer sensor and iso range and can do 720P easily or you can enlarge whatever your card can do.

I bet 5DIII works over 1080P continuous, its the best but $4k.

7D has a decently sized res and 60P mode. I'm really surprised its not doing 1080P continuous... If you've seen 86 or more MB/s then it should. I think the problem is you're stuck at 30P without FPS override and the native LV is lower than 1080P. I guess FPS + display filters are the top priority and also the hardest.

Actually 50D/5DII/5DIII are the only cameras that can do 1080P continuous this moment. Only 5DIII has any hope of writing raw + audio because of the separate cards.

Hi 1%, I'm a little confuse now... Can 7D achieve 1080p? is that full sensor? I thought 1728x972 was the maximum resolution.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 29, 2013, 04:08:02 AM
Hi 1%, I'm a little confuse now... Can 7D achieve 1080p? is that full sensor? I thought 1728x972 was the maximum resolution.

yeah, I was wondering about this too. maybe its power will be unlocked soon? :) maybe in 3x crop.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on August 29, 2013, 04:23:05 AM
yeah, I was wondering about this too. maybe its power will be unlocked soon? :) maybe in 3x crop.

I'm talking about full sensor maxres.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on August 29, 2013, 04:28:20 AM
OK I'm new to this but last night I finally installed alpha2. Downloaded the latest built. Works great a lot to read. Here is my question  I know how to convert raw2dng. This morning I downloaded a built that records in .mlv how do u extract those files I looked everwhere I. The forum. Sorry if this question has been asked.


BTW should I just read this thread for the latest built??? Thx guys
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: emmikiruba on August 29, 2013, 04:41:44 AM
Arnikii: Do you have anything to comment on my video at page 23. Raw depth and colours are amazing.


Dear Members, I find in the forum many round about questions. After all film making is with 'light. While imaging there are optical limitations, signalling limitations and processing limitations. I find members want all to be perfected with  simple programe lines.

to achieve depth in a frame it is a rule that minimum 3 stop variation of light should be there. 7D raw achieves far more than this so very good depth in colours and scenic light. It is sad that nobody is interested to comment 'photographically'.

while quantizing signals it is necessary that noise should be introduced to bring dynamic levels. Noise is inherent in any imaging. I do not understand why members are die hard to shooot at highest ISO! Definitely it has undesirable noise.

Cinematography is playing with light. But why you struggle to achieve in  low light. Use reflectors or natural reflections to perfect lightning. I do not find a single footage with 'lighting'.

Photography again is using light to our advantage. Available light also has to be used to advantage. The light should help the 'emotions' to come out. What best an available light can do unless it is controlled? Most of the available light exposures will just be a 'snap shot' with 'centred' frames. Come on guys - the test makers - use some light and show your real talent.

A shot with 'full resolution' at very 'low light' at ISO 1600 without noise in a 400x card with continuous frames can only be a dream. ML Developers have given wonderful opportunity to expose raw frames and colour correct them like top notch 'cinema cameras. It is a marvel. Put that into right perspective and show your films to the world.

I do not find any problem in 7D build. I tried upscaling upto 4K. with proper sharpness level you can do anything you want cinematographiclly. 5D II or 5D III or 7D - ultimately the result is the matter  for the screen.  7D is a fine piece of camera. Giving RAW in it is a blessing. These peoples effort is great and the provision is 'simpler' to anybody. Try anything within the limit then the result will be limitless!! good luck guys!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 29, 2013, 05:46:54 AM
Quote
I thought 1728x972 was the maximum resolution.

Is this the max in 5x? Then who says 50D is lower res?

Says the camera is  2520 x 1200 in zoom mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 29, 2013, 05:56:21 AM
@30p 3x crop mode

2512 x 1200 = 95 frames average

1920 x 1080 = 213 frames average

1472 x 828 = continuous recording
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 29, 2013, 06:01:45 AM
At what max resolution and framerate can the 5D MK3 record continuous both in crop and noncrop ?

anyone ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 29, 2013, 06:27:27 AM
FPS was the problem on 50D, you can only 30P the non zoomed size. If that is fixed here you should have 1080P.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 29, 2013, 09:01:40 AM
Ok...so I did all the set up for raw video.  I also put on the cf card brunonicko's build for the liveview. When I tried recording in raw the files saved to the card were as an example M09-0657.raw. After effects would not open the raw file. When I tried photoshop CS6 it gave me a single layer grey image. What should I do here??? PLEASE !!! Cheers!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 09:04:00 AM
FPS was the problem on 50D, you can only 30P the non zoomed size. If that is fixed here you should have 1080P.


Sweet  :D  ...it's like butter in the nose of a dog in summer time



Arnikii: Do you have anything to comment on my video at page 23. Raw depth and colours are amazing.

No doubt, very vivid colors  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 29, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
After effects would not open the raw file.

RTM!
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: slybugg on August 29, 2013, 09:39:36 AM
Ok...so I did all the set up for raw video.  I also put on the cf card brunonicko's build for the liveview. When I tried recording in raw the files saved to the card were as an example M09-0657.raw. After effects would not open the raw file. When I tried photoshop CS6 it gave me a single layer grey image. What should I do here??? PLEASE !!! Cheers!!!

you need to use a program to transcode the raw file to dng files.  i am on a mac, so I used Rawmagic.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

not sure the PC program to transcode raw files to dng.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 29, 2013, 10:10:46 AM
FPS was the problem on 50D, you can only 30P the non zoomed size. If that is fixed here you should have 1080P.

That was the conclusion I jumped to also.

I'm sorry if I confused anyone earlier, as of right now 1080p is not available continuous but with the cameras specs it should be theoretically possible in the future when the 7D has had some tinkering and then ONLY with cards that can unlock the cameras true write speed.
Don't expect 1080p raw on your 60mb/s SanDisk as I know a lot of people here have them.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
We are about to close the donations, just more a little bit for ending. If you can help us just send me a private message.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJqzXLhtFjddERyZkRDQTYyOE93RXhNaHFEaUpYZEE#gid=0





Leave here something for you guys read while we wait for some Magic happen in ours 7D's

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/08/whats-all-this-raw-hack-business
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 29, 2013, 11:19:36 AM
Curious- is there going to be some sort of LZMA compression which will allow slower cards and/or more storage? Or is that already happening and compression of raw files is basically as good as it's going to get?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: animotto on August 29, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
Nothing explains better the situation than this animated GIF!
Thanks Britom for this post with the latest builds.
Done some test shoots with my 7D as well:

Not a valid vimeo URL

Nice! Did you use the "Mosaic VAF-filter"? This is the first 7D raw-video I've seen without aliasing or moire (or maybe its in crop-mode?)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Mati on August 29, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 29, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
I've been getting this hack error: http://i.imgur.com/nm5KIUd.jpg

Running Britom's latest build that builds .mlv at 1600x680

Also, a frame sometimes purples at the beginning of the clip, (before the first second) but that's been reported before, I guess.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on August 29, 2013, 03:37:17 PM
=> the safeguard is working well; all cache hack code should use this approach IMO
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 03:39:30 PM
I've been getting this hack error: http://i.imgur.com/nm5KIUd.jpg

Running Britom's latest build that builds .mlv at 1600x680

Also, a frame sometimes purples at the beginning of the clip, (before the first second) but that's been reported before, I guess.

Hi feureau, long time no see you, we miss you  8)

For this version you need to disable the hack mode for not show up that warning. Not yet try but i think with britom and g3ggg0 version don't give you pink frame, you get more speed and more smooth on rec. Not yet make extensive tests.

If you have a warning about the small hack just turn it off. I've made some modification to make it work but it never went to the main repo, I think.
It's avilable in my repo (Pelican/raw)

ok, maybe different error warning
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 03:42:57 PM
=> the safeguard is working well; all cache hack code should use this approach IMO

Is just to prevent that something bad happen to the card/camera? Wend the card don't have speed enough?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 29, 2013, 03:51:22 PM
Hi arrinkiii! Been out for a bit, and came back to this. Awesome development! :D Thanks for putting up that 7D + card thing for 1%

Disabled small hacks, and the hack error went away. I think it may be pelican's fix that didn't get in to the main repo. Someone might want to check that out.

Also, I enabled card warm up, and it seems the purple frame at the beginning of the clip error went away. Can anyone confirm this? (Mine's set at 256MB)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on August 29, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
I've looked it up, but couldn't find it...

When you patch Canon code, you have to be sure you are patching the right thing. Otherwise, the side effects can be anywhere from not noticeable to camera exploding. That's why I've added that safeguard.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 04:17:58 PM
Hi arrinkiii! Been out for a bit, and came back to this. Awesome development! :D Thanks for putting up that 7D + card thing for 1%

Disabled small hacks, and the hack error went away. I think it may be pelican's fix that didn't get in to the main repo. Someone might want to check that out.

Also, I enabled card warm up, and it seems the purple frame at the beginning of the clip error went away. Can anyone confirm this? (Mine's set at 256MB)

It's nothing my friend,  just doing what i should do  :)  welcome back. Good to know that pink frame and warning have gone.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 29, 2013, 04:19:42 PM
Will have to fix the timers hack and see if disabling them completely helps any.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 29, 2013, 04:46:36 PM
It's nothing my friend,  just doing what i should do  :)  welcome back. Good to know that pink frame and warning have gone.

It's good to be back and testing new stuff. :D

Currently testing hot/dead/stuck pixel. Apparently I have some in my DNGs. Exporting via lightroom eliminates some but there's still hot pixel. Did the sensor cleaning thing to trigger the pixel mapping but it didn't seem to go away. I wonder if raw_rec ignores hot pixel mapping?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: thoma on August 29, 2013, 04:57:18 PM
I was having the vertical lines issue but Hbr's advice fixed it ( disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction).  Now though I'm noticing the hot/dead/stuck pixel thing. 

Mainly hot single pixels evident once recovering shadow detail in ACR....is there something in camera that usually filters these out that's being bypassed?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 29, 2013, 05:04:23 PM
Is anyone else getting this dropped pink frame in their raw video?? If so what is it. Used the 1152 X 648 resolution. Cheers ....John
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 29, 2013, 05:10:15 PM
Not sure if the video above will work. Here is the address.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: brunonicko on August 29, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
Nice! Did you use the "Mosaic VAF-filter"? This is the first 7D raw-video I've seen without aliasing or moire (or maybe its in crop-mode?)

No, I did not use the filter. And it is not in crop mode  :)
I was able to remove some of the moire using the "remove chromatic aberration" options in adobe's raw loading interface, but I think that my lens being a little dirty helped too, hehehe
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: animotto on August 29, 2013, 07:32:01 PM
No, I did not use the filter. And it is not in crop mode  :)
I was able to remove some of the moire using the "remove chromatic aberration" options in adobe's raw loading interface, but I think that my lens being a little dirty helped too, hehehe

Ok :), When I've eventually switched my 60D for the 7D I will try those tricks before buying the filter.

Is it possible for audio being recorded simultaneously in future 7D-ML-versions? or is it the dual card-slots that make that possible on 5Dmark3?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 29, 2013, 07:58:52 PM
New test , watch in "Original" quality if possible

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on August 29, 2013, 08:09:29 PM
If somebody want to play with enabling the small hack on 7D then I made a pull request to the main repo...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 29, 2013, 08:16:06 PM
New test , watch in "Original" quality if possible


Very nice... what resolution spec and aspect ratio and fps did you use? crop mode? did you use any moire filter? love those bricks...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 29, 2013, 08:24:37 PM
Very nice... what resolution spec and aspect ratio and fps did you use? crop mode? did you use any moire filter? love those bricks...

I'm glad you liked , all crop mode , some shots with burst mode and some with the newest build with the raw module , all in 2520\2512 x 1200 , i did some really zoomed in handheld shots with my IS lens to see what it would look like
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
@kh3naz

Cool video, raw is amazing

@Pelican
@britom

Im ready, just need the compilation
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on August 29, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
kh3naz, really nice composition and color there. Looks excellent :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on August 29, 2013, 09:02:21 PM
Cool video, raw is amazing
kh3naz, really nice composition and color there. Looks excellent :)

Much appreciated , not much interesting to see from my balcony , however 2.5k RAW makes anything pleasant to watch
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 29, 2013, 09:05:21 PM
Much appreciated , not much interesting to see from my balcony , however 2.5k RAW makes anything pleasant to watch

lolol... exactly. But the edition, music everything g is good.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tjunkkila on August 29, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
Hi errybody!
Could anyone pack the latest working build and modules? I've got raw rec working but would be nice to catch up and see if everything's up date. So much stuff going on here all the time and missing few days at the forum won't help :)

Thanks in advantage.
Cheers.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on August 29, 2013, 09:21:03 PM
Hi everybody,

I've been reading this thread for a while, can't tell how amazed I am with all the stuff going on,
now I feel ready to try and unleash the power of our beloved 7D.
One little question regarding external monitoring:
I read some posts saying that it would be ok to use external monitoring, but not being able to playback footage.
Than I read another post warning not to connect anything to the hdmi port.
Can someone help me with this? I really love my electronic viewfinder..

Greetings from Brazil,

Daniel
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 29, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
Hi everybody,

I've been reading this thread for a while, can't tell how amazed I am with all the stuff going on,
now I feel ready to try and unleash the power of our beloved 7D.
One little question regarding external monitoring:
I read some posts saying that it would be ok to use external monitoring, but not being able to playback footage.
Than I read another post warning not to connect anything to the hdmi port.
Can someone help me with this? I really love my electronic viewfinder..

Greetings from Brazil,

Daniel

While the external monitor will work I found it to be incredibly unstable, the ML interface would not display correctly and I would get lockups doing things that would not lock up without the monitor, you should be safe trying it as different hardware may have different results just be prepared to reset your camera a lot.
I ended up just removing mine for now because it frustrated me too much.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on August 29, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
While the external monitor will work I found it to be incredibly unstable, the ML interface would not display correctly and I would get lockups doing things that would not lock up without the monitor, you should be safe trying it as different hardware may have different results just be prepared to reset your camera a lot.
I ended up just removing mine for now because it frustrated me too much.

Thanks, DragonFlame, hope this issue can be fixed in the future!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on August 29, 2013, 11:03:58 PM
im i missing something why are the dng file coming out like this.  I'm i using wrong settings?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fhbahnyhfb%2Ftest.jpg&hash=905e805aef369775c0b51f255c65709f) (http://postimg.org/image/tpx9oa8xf/full/)
screen shot on windows (http://postimage.org/app.php)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: gajorro on August 29, 2013, 11:26:26 PM
After some tests: vertical banding is noticeable using new build with MLV. I see no banding using RAW-anizer... But maybe it's just because I didn't have good material to compare. I'll shot something which is 100% comparable tomorrow.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 29, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
alsey7 what settings are you using, what type of lights are in that room, what ISO you set on ect ect.
The more info we have the better we can help you.

It looks like to me you are trying to take footage in a very dark room at a very high ISO with Dual ISO turned on and its causing a strange vertical pattern as a result.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: thoma on August 29, 2013, 11:44:49 PM
@alsey7

If you're referring to the vertical lines - try disabling highlight tone priority, low iso noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction.

Hbr suggested this and it seems to have solved it for me.   On the other hand now i'm getting hot pixels in the shadows...

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: emmikiruba on August 30, 2013, 05:17:33 AM
Ok...so I did all the set up for raw video.  I also put on the cf card brunonicko's build for the liveview. When I tried recording in raw the files saved to the card were as an example M09-0657.raw. After effects would not open the raw file. When I tried photoshop CS6 it gave me a single layer grey image. What should I do here??? PLEASE !!! Cheers!!!

jman .... First convert your raw files to dng using 'rawtodng' for PC.. open dng files in Photoshop
colour correct them. save the preset for future use. apply it on all frames. Save it to Tiff . you can even upgrade to 2k or 4k if necessary. open them as sequences in Premiere. do the edits. the export in formats yu wanted. anyway it is very time consuming but the result should be amazing.!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 05:36:32 AM
Thanks emmikiruba for the advice. That is what I have done. Converted to dng and then into photoshop. Some clips had the pink frame and some did not. I have turned off small hacks and have card warm up set to 256. I have put the ML BrunoNicko build on the cf card also. Is there a build I am missing that provided a fix for the pink frame?? Thanks for the help. Cheers.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 30, 2013, 06:56:48 AM
Thanks emmikiruba for the advice. That is what I have done. Converted to dng and then into photoshop. Some clips had the pink frame and some did not. I have turned off small hacks and have card warm up set to 256. I have put the ML BrunoNicko build on the cf card also. Is there a build I am missing that provided a fix for the pink frame?? Thanks for the help. Cheers.

If this is the same glitchy-magenta frames I've been getting: Your resolution setting is too high for your card. When setting the res, look at the bottom part of ML, if it's showing that the stream is too close to your card speed, it will sometimes cause this glitch. Set it a bit lower. e.g. on one of my slow cards, the write speed is at 50MB/s. I set the resolution that gives me a stream at around 42MB/s-ish
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 07:48:10 AM
Thank you feureau. The card I am using is a Lexar Pro 32gb 800x. The video I did on page 26 was done at 1152 x 648 29.8 mb/s @ 23.976. The first 2 clips had the glitches and the 3rd one was clean. Should be able to do better with this card I figure. I was told that even at 800x it's only really 633x for the 7d.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 30, 2013, 08:05:41 AM
I was told that even at 800x it's only really 633x for the 7d.

Well, yeah, but don't put it like that. Just measure in MB/s since real-world performance usually don't match manufacturer's declared performance. (this is more of a marketing thing instead of the 7D limitations.


If somebody want to play with enabling the small hack on 7D then I made a pull request to the main repo...

Anyway, I was trying to compile the new pelican small hacks patch, did a clone to the hudson repo and build the raw_rec.mo but it seems the latest version is still older than the one posted here. Am I doing something wrong or is it just not approved yet? Using the virtualbox VM thingy that was provided.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on August 30, 2013, 08:30:04 AM
.I was told that even at 800x it's only really 633x for the 7d.

lexar 800x have low write performance,this is why the or cheaper.
Spec:
Max. Read Speed: 120MB/s
Max. Write Speed: 45MB/s
dont aspect to much from this card if you want to shoot raw
regards.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
Anyway, I was trying to compile the new pelican small hacks patch, did a clone to the hudson repo and build the raw_rec.mo but it seems the latest version is still older than the one posted here. Am I doing something wrong or is it just not approved yet? Using the virtualbox VM thingy that was provided.
For those that are interested, here is a compiled version g3gg0's repo but with the small hack fixed as per pelican's repo:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:08:26 AM
For those that are interested, here is a compiled version g3gg0's repo but with the small hack fixed as per pelican's repo:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)

I'm testing it now. Is this meant to fix that hack error that beeps everytime the recording start and stop?

Because its still there.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 09:11:14 AM
I'm testing it now. Is this meant to fix that hack error that beeps everytime the recording start and stop?

Because its still there.
I'm not getting any errors with small hacks enabled.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:13:09 AM
I'm not getting any errors with small hacks enabled.

After I replaced the files from your zip I even deleted the magic.cfg file and it still shows and beeps.

I'll try to make a new bootable card from eoscard and see.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
yup. Hack error message still there.

Made new bootable card via Eoscard, then copy pasted your aug 30 files.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: obiyan19 on August 30, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
lexar 800x have low write performance,this is why the or cheaper.
Spec:
Max. Read Speed: 120MB/s
Max. Write Speed: 45MB/s
dont aspect to much from this card if you want to shoot raw
regards.

 i have 2 Mustang CF 633x Ultra DMA 6 CF cards, got 45MB/s max write speed too
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 09:32:52 AM
I think I found the problem. My caching software on the server has cached the old zip and not the new zip. I'll get a new link for ya all.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:37:24 AM
I think I found the problem. My caching software on the server has cached the old zip and not the new zip. I'll get a new link for ya all.

so thats why a lot of the modules disappeared as well. :) I thought they were the ones causing the error.  ok, I'll test again when you've posted it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_2.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
I haven't compiled many of the modules. Tell me what you want compiled and I'll make another version.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:53:01 AM
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_2.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_30_Aug_2013.zip)
I haven't compiled many of the modules. Tell me what you want compiled and I'll make another version.

in the modules tab, raw rec =ok
the rest = OldAPI

is this ok?

hack error message still there and also beeps.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:13:28 AM
Ok try again, I've also included some of the modules. When I install it, I replace everything on the card with these files:

http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 10:16:15 AM
Ok try again, I've also included some of the modules. When I install it, I replace everything on the card with these files:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_Nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)

requested URL not found.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:18:52 AM
requested URL not found.
I'm having a cracker tonight!
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
file manager= oldAPI
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
file manager= oldAPI
What repo has an updated file manager?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 10:32:10 AM
What repo has an updated file manager?

the 5dmkII perhaps?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on August 30, 2013, 10:37:17 AM
You only have to recompile the binary; no source code changes needed.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 10:40:38 AM
I guess it is time for v4:
http://nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4.zip (http://nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4.zip)
Is the small hack still producing errors for people?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
no more hack errors. But this is MLV already?

Is this stable already?

can I request the devs since 7D is already getting to a level of usability, can we have an option of a minimal interface?
At 1728 x 972 the buffers and other info is practically in the middle of the screen.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 11:03:26 AM
Using this version, You can't format the card.

The camera would freeze while "reading ML contents" the led would continue to flicker but you can't make selection on lcd, won't turn off.
Battery will have to be removed to unfreeze.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 30, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
Using this version, You can't format the card.

The camera would freeze while "reading ML contents" the led would continue to flicker but you can't make selection on lcd, won't turn off.
Battery will have to be removed to unfreeze.
I'm able to format. I think some certain files make it unformatable but I'm not 100% sure.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on August 30, 2013, 11:53:14 AM
This version has faster write speeds to my card (Sandisk Extreme Pro 60MB/s)    Previously I was right around 50MB/s and now I am getting about 54MB/s.   The card actually benches higher than it performs saving video I'm not sure if playing with "Buffer Fill Method" would change any of that.

I have Small Hacks on and Warm up of 128MB if that matters to anyone.

EDIT:  I am able to go from 1728x736 to 1728x786 23.976p continuous with this build.  Yay for tiny victories :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
g3gg0 did the .MLV file change I believe. How the heck do you process this file type.????
I just got the raw file process down and now mlv comes. Are there instructions anywhere on how to process these files?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 30, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
g3gg0 did the .MLV file change I believe. How the heck do you process this file type.????
I just got the raw file process down and now mlv comes. Are there instructions anywhere on how to process these files?

mlv2dng  -> search   :D


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg59525#msg59525
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JOSHardson on August 30, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
Whooo! My account finally went through. I've been playing around with the raw module for a week now and I've gotten to where I have pretty good stability in 1728X972 24fps. Here's a low light test I did to check out how much of the shadow I could correct.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on August 30, 2013, 05:23:28 PM
Hey guys,

I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!

Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 30, 2013, 05:48:55 PM
Hey guys,

I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!

Thanks!

mlv2dng  -> search   :D


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg59525#msg59525
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sinbinsam on August 30, 2013, 05:50:18 PM
Hey guys,

I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!

Thanks!

Put the mlv files and the mlv2dng in the same folder together, then drag and drop.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on August 30, 2013, 05:50:34 PM
Hey guys,

I have the mlv2dng and the .mlv files on my mac. How do I convert this files? No drag and drop, have no idea what to do..
I checked everywhere but couldn't find any detailed instructions. I'd appreciate some help!

Thanks!

I actually documented it out here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70551#msg70551
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on August 30, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
I actually documented it out here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg70551#msg70551

Thanks guys, problem solved! @stevelucky, my files are all going to the User folder as well.
Title: Buying a new Card
Post by: dne202 on August 30, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
Hi, I'm looking to buy a new card to shoot for a web series I'm working on.  I want to shoot RAW, but I also don't want to create massive file sizes.  It seems like maybe 720p would save me a lot of file space and probably wouldn't make much of a difference since I'm outputting to web.  How many minutes of 720p raw would a 64 gig card hold?  I assume RAW has a fixed data rate for each resolution, right?  If I can't get at least 30 minutes on a 64 GB card, it might not be worth it.  It looks like the 128 Komputerbay is a better bang for your buck.  Would the lower data rates of the 128 give me the ability to shoot 720p RAW?

Thanks to all the developers who are working on this and arrinkiiii for putting together the donation.  I hope my 20 bucks helps!  I'd be interested in continuing to find ways to empower the active community of 7d enthusiasts with ways to incentivize developers.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 30, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
My Latest build:

- Latest fixes (Small hacks, some ettr stuff) from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
- All the modules working including autoexpo.mo
- I'm getting faster speeds compared to my latest build (+3mb/s) using the normal raw_rec that outputs .raw format (Can anyone else confirm?)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 30, 2013, 07:08:15 PM
Put the mlv files and the mlv2dng in the same folder together, then drag and drop.

You don't actually have to have the MLV file in the same directory as mlv2dng, you can drag and drop it from anywhere and it will output the DNG files to the same directory that the MLV file is in.
I like to put each MLV in its own folder and then do this so that they are all nice and organized and I don't have to move multiple files.

Hi, I'm looking to buy a new card to shoot for a web series I'm working on.  I want to shoot RAW, but I also don't want to create massive file sizes.  It seems like maybe 720p would save me a lot of file space and probably wouldn't make much of a difference since I'm outputting to web.  How many minutes of 720p raw would a 64 gig card hold?  I assume RAW has a fixed data rate for each resolution, right?  If I can't get at least 30 minutes on a 64 GB card, it might not be worth it.  It looks like the 128 Komputerbay is a better bang for your buck.  Would the lower data rates of the 128 give me the ability to shoot 720p RAW?

Thanks to all the developers who are working on this and arrinkiiii for putting together the donation.  I hope my 20 bucks helps!  I'd be interested in continuing to find ways to empower the active community of 7d enthusiasts with ways to incentivize developers.

Even 720p RAW will take up a lot of room but not too bad, I'm taking a rough guess you would probably get at least 30 minutes onto a 64gb card at 720p, as for speed even on my 60mb/s SanDisk I can record resolutions above 720p, the 128 Komputerbay is rated higher than that I think so should be fine.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: MACKY64 on August 30, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
My Latest build:

- Latest fixes (Small hacks, some ettr stuff) from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
- All the modules working including autoexpo.mo
- I'm getting faster speeds compared to my latest build (+3mb/s) using the normal raw_rec that outputs .raw format (Can anyone else confirm?)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

@britom
It works very fine !
write speed 71MB/s !! (Global Draw OFF)
Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 07:52:28 PM
With this new build ML7D.....do I have to reformat or just drag and drop the files onto the card??? Thanks!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 30, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
My Latest build:

- Latest fixes (Small hacks, some ettr stuff) from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
- All the modules working including autoexpo.mo
- I'm getting faster speeds compared to my latest build (+3mb/s) using the normal raw_rec that outputs .raw format (Can anyone else confirm?)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifyeas56ltuqhg1/P-PeTt1Llz

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK :P

I can confirm that this is +3MB/s faster than the previous .raw recording version. But the one nick posted several posts before records to the new .mlv format and that is about +20MB/s faster than this version on my cards.

Btw, how do you people get your sources? I mean, you're both compiling a new version with small hacks on but you each get two different versions. And I can't seem to compile the one I just cloned from hudson.

What's going on here? Too many forks?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 30, 2013, 07:57:23 PM
@Britom

New build seems to work great!  Using Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card, the first bar when recording RAW barely flickers.  I prefer the RAW instead of MLV (for now) because of one too many steps.

My card speed improved slightly, but continues to be very good.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Frrpahf.jpg&hash=95fbe383acc224ba4ea2d363d707c7b9)

For ACR users:  I'm not seeing any of the "flickering issues" that others report when using the Highlights Recovery slider.  I'm going to update my DaVinci Resolve and test my footage using it.  So far I've used 2 methods of conversion to AVI:  1. ACR grading then to AE render to Cineform 444 1080p23.976 and  2. Cineform converter to 444 1080p23.976 and grading using Metadata thru GoPro Cineform Studio Premium.  So far #1 produces better results in a shorter timeframe.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: slink on August 30, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
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@Britom

New build seems to work great!  Using Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card, the first bar when recording RAW barely flickers.  I prefer the RAW instead of MLV (for now) because of one too many steps.

My card speed improved slightly, but continues to be very good.

I am using the same 64GB 1000x Card and bitrom's new build and my write speeds are significantly slower.

Do you think I got a crap card or does this have to do with different versions of the 7d I bought mine new in 2009.
Other possibility: I'm doing it wrong.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2F2rr6hhz.jpg&hash=e525aa47a19b100a84d9d33203a76c34)


Thanks for helping!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 30, 2013, 08:43:22 PM
I can confirm that this is +3MB/s faster than the previous .raw recording version. But the one nick posted several posts before records to the new .mlv format and that is about +20MB/s faster than this version on my cards.

Btw, how do you people get your sources? I mean, you're both compiling a new version with small hacks on but you each get two different versions. And I can't seem to compile the one I just cloned from hudson.

What's going on here? Too many forks?

I have not tested latest Nick's build yet. I've compiled my builds from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ on VM Virtualbox xubuntu using latest gcc-arm 4.7.4. I think is a good idea to have as many builds compiled on as many computers as possible so we can test and know wich configurations and compilers give the best results. And we can have something to play with until some developer give us a hand :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 30, 2013, 08:51:17 PM
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I am using the same 64GB 1000x Card and bitrom's new build and my write speeds are significantly slower.

Do you think I got a crap card or does this have to do with different versions of the 7d I bought mine new in 2009.
Other possibility: I'm doing it wrong.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2F2rr6hhz.jpg&hash=e525aa47a19b100a84d9d33203a76c34)


Thanks for helping!

Not sure if this is the due to the 7D manufacturing versions, but I have the 2009 version and britom's .raw version is a LOT slower than nick's mlv version. On britom's raw I'm getting 35mb/s on a sandisk 60mb/s card. On nick's version I'm hitting 55mb/s with a sandisk 60mb/s card.


I have not tested latest Nick's build yet. I've compiled my builds from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ on VM Virtualbox xubuntu using latest gcc-arm 4.7.4. I think is a good idea to have as many builds compiled on as many computers as possible so we can test and know wich configurations and compilers give the best results. And we can have something to play with until some developer give us a hand :)

Yeah, I think it's a good idea too. Although I think we need to make a list of source and build dates too. It's getting confusing to catch up with all the builds. :D

Also, can you confirm that the gcc-arm is 4.7.4 and not 4.7.3? Is this the one that comes in the VM or did  you update that? (mine's 4.7.3) I tried compiling the 7D.203 platform and it fails to compile. How did you compile? raw_rec compiles though, I'm getting the same raw_rec.mo with yours though.

I wonder where nick got that .mlv version?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 30, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
Very good speeds with britom aug 30 build !

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn2%2F1170959_365454433585347_1051779285_n.jpg&hash=1bb3f6b2df13ae53b9a15e853491fb4c)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on August 30, 2013, 09:21:05 PM
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I am using the same 64GB 1000x Card and bitrom's new build and my write speeds are significantly slower.

Do you think I got a crap card or does this have to do with different versions of the 7d I bought mine new in 2009.
Other possibility: I'm doing it wrong.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2F2rr6hhz.jpg&hash=e525aa47a19b100a84d9d33203a76c34)


Thanks for helping!

@Slink

I had the same problem at first--My speeds looked similar.  When the camera is in MOVIE Mode or PHOTO mode, speeds are WAY SLOWER.

Try this:

Turn Global Draw OFF.
Don't load MODULES
Switch to PHOTO mode on 7D.
Press the INFO Button until the screen is blank,

Go into ML and Run the Benchmark.

On your Benchmark Info Screen, Near the top it should now say MODE: playback, Global Draw OFF.


Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on August 30, 2013, 09:22:32 PM
I'm getting 1.2mb/s slower speeds with nick's build, but i'm using an slow transcend 400x. My 7d is from 2009 too.


@feureau
Yes we need to organize our builds so i've started this thread and i'll update it from time to time. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987

I've updated gcc-arm to version 4.7.4, but i dont know to wich level it affects the building process.

I've compiled my latest build from the hudson repository https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/. This repository has the normal raw_rec module that outputs .raw format.
Some compilation problems have been fixed within the code so the only thing you need to touch are probably the lines 24 and 25 in makefile.user.default to specify the right path to your gcc-arm

Code: [Select]
GCC_VERSION=-4.7.3
ARM_PATH=~/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_7-2013q2

Instead if you want you can compile like nick did from the g3gg0 repository that has the new raw_rec that outputs .mlv format https://bitbucket.org/g3gg0/magic-lantern
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 30, 2013, 09:34:04 PM
Thanks! I'll look into it!

Thanks for making the new thread to organize this and all, but that means that's one more thread one should be following to follow the growth of the 7D ML. Couldn't we just put the build updates in the first post instead?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 10:32:36 PM
Very good speeds with britom aug 30 build !

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn2%2F1170959_365454433585347_1051779285_n.jpg&hash=1bb3f6b2df13ae53b9a15e853491fb4c)

Can you please tell me where this file is saved to when you do the benchmark so I may save it as a photo. Cheers John
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 10:43:14 PM
Never mind...got it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on August 30, 2013, 10:58:54 PM
Just tried "nick" version and I see a pink frame in the MLV file... what caused the pink frame?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on August 30, 2013, 11:21:30 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi583.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss272%2Fjohnman_01%2FTEST_zpse6f044d1.png&hash=ffca9999ad3c62455d27f5f9a7b4522d) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/johnman_01/media/TEST_zpse6f044d1.png.html)

Lexar Pro 800x card....pretty sad
Can anyone suggest a BETTER card please !!!! Cheers John
Tested with the nik v4 build aug 30......mlv works well with the converter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on August 30, 2013, 11:21:50 PM
Shot a lot of footage today using britom's latest build and the 5.6" TV Logic attached. No problems at all with the external monitoring, just perfect.  ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dne202 on August 30, 2013, 11:28:17 PM
Even 720p RAW will take up a lot of room but not too bad, I'm taking a rough guess you would probably get at least 30 minutes onto a 64gb card at 720p, as for speed even on my 60mb/s SanDisk I can record resolutions above 720p, the 128 Komputerbay is rated higher than that I think so should be fine.

Thanks, DragonFlame!  I was wondering, if I get the 128 1000X from Komputerbay, will I never get the data rates to be able to record 1080 at 23.98?  I'm happy to shoot 720p now, but would love to future proof this purchase if possible.

Thanks for getting back to me.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on August 31, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
I wouldn't count on the 128GB 1000X achieving full HD. I've got a Canon 50D and I was barely able to record 1582x894 continuously (purchased 2 and both had same issue). However, the 64GB 1000X will continuously record 1920 x 1023 on the Canon 50D. That happens to be the fastest the camera can write. Rest assure the 64 GB 1000X can record Full HD. Remember though that you will be recording Full HD on a 3x crop mode. That and you're only going to record about 12 - 14 minutes at most. Realistically there aren't that many card options in terms of cost, availability, and speed. That's exactly why the 64GB 1000x is future proof. Just plan on purchasing multiple cards to suffice for the limited recording time.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on August 31, 2013, 01:28:38 AM
I agree with levisdavis, while the 128gb would be fine for 720p you won't get close to 1080p because of the write issues.

I also agree with his suggestion to buy multiple card but I will elaborate more, it's almost always better to buy a lot of smaller cards over one large card, the reasons being that it ends up being cheaper in most cases, if a card fails you have backups compared to not having any card if you only had one, while your transferring data of one card you can be recording with another which is really important if your doing many hours of filming which It sounds like you might be doing, the only time I could see it worth buying such a large card is if you have to do one long nonstop 30 minute shot.

As for cards that can do 1080p I've heard many conflicting reports on the matter, it really is impossible to tell just which cards are best until the FPS override has been implemented.
The best cards I've seen so far reported though are the Lexar 1000x cards managing to hit around 90mb/s but maybe someone who has one can back that up.
Title: KomputerBay benchmarks tests
Post by: ted ramasola on August 31, 2013, 02:09:09 AM
For a guide on how the the komputerbay cards perform using the Aug 30 build.

Cards used;
800X (Not Sold, for test reference only)
1000X
1200X (256 not supported by 7D, formatted as 128gig)
Shown will be the 32, 64, 128 and 256 gig cards. Will include a Lexar 32gig 1000x for reference.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash4%2F1175045_365561386907985_1510128459_n.jpg&hash=c5e3cbe54f44379213818335539299f6)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: John Kesl on August 31, 2013, 03:20:17 AM
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Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on August 31, 2013, 03:27:58 AM
I have a question. Will the 128gig 1050x card work on the 7D right now? I got a music video shoot next weekend and wanted to use my 7D as a B-cam.. we're shooting with the 5d3 btw.. will post it here when it's finished :D. Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 31, 2013, 03:44:47 AM
I have a question. Will the 128gig 1050x card work on the 7D right now? I got a music video shoot next weekend and wanted to use my 7D as a B-cam.. we're shooting with the 5d3 btw.. will post it here when it's finished :D. Thanks!

NO. It won't work with ML on the 7D and the mkII.

The 1050X, will work with the 5DmkIII.
In our test, ML was running on the SD card.

The camera will recognize the card and capacity and you can record h264 and Raw cr2 STILLs
but not Magic lantern firmware.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on August 31, 2013, 03:56:28 AM
Aww!! Hehe.. thanks for the answer man!! I got confused when they benchmarked the 1200x but you made it pretty cleared.. will try to get one 1000x.. cheers!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 31, 2013, 04:00:14 AM
Aww!! Hehe.. thanks for the answer man!! I got confused when they benchmarked the 1200x but you made it pretty cleared.. will try to get one 1000x.. cheers!

Yes. Your best bet would be a 1000X. And if you have to ask me which, I'd personally recommend the 64gig.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on August 31, 2013, 04:12:02 AM
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The camera will recognize the card and capacity and you can record h264 and Raw cr2 STILLs
but not Magic lantern firmware.

But the 1200X worked? So tell me how it won't load an autoexec.bin from the card?

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Your best bet would be a 1000X. And if you have to ask me which, I'd personally recommend the 64gig.

This! Save your money, buy a bunch of 1000x 64s. Larger/faster cards are more expensive and you gain nothing (and may lose write speed).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on August 31, 2013, 04:14:53 AM
But the 1200X worked? So tell me how it won't load an autoexec.bin from the card?


For the 1050x the camera just can't see .fir files.

Weather it's canon .fir or magic lantern .fir.

Even when the camera is already bootflaged with another card and you make the 1050x bootable via EOScard, the camera can't see the autoexec.bin file.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on August 31, 2013, 06:19:34 AM
For those people who want to process mlv files on a mac, I have created a gui wrapper for the mlv2dng program:
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/mlv2dng.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/mlv2dng.zip)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on August 31, 2013, 04:11:30 PM
@Britom: I think that I owe you at least a test. Your latest build, have to say, didn't bump the resolution one stop higher, but surely is one step towards stability. Thanks.

BTW, I keep only raw_rec.mo module only in the modules directory, that seems a little more stable.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 31, 2013, 07:41:10 PM
Hello guys

I've modified the Crop bitmap created to shoot at 2.5k by adding a red rectangle to frame in 1920*818 (crop mode 2.35)

if you want to DL it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iw9644aul8tsukt/1920_818.BMP

 :-*

btw as usual sorry for my english...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 31, 2013, 07:48:59 PM
Thanks JCBEos  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on August 31, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Btw, what do all y'all use in the buffer fill method and CF-only buffers?

I find my fastest combination is with buffer fill method 3 and CF-only buffer 8.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on August 31, 2013, 09:16:26 PM
Thanks JCBEos  :D

 compared to the job that is done here, that's nothing... really

btw you're welcome!;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 01, 2013, 01:12:54 AM
Btw, what do all y'all use in the buffer fill method and CF-only buffers?

I find my fastest combination is with buffer fill method 3 and CF-only buffer 8.

The best fill methods for me have been 2 and 4.  2 seems slightly better but that could just be my imagination.   I haven't done any testing where I've isolated the CF-Only buffers and actually properly tested it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 01, 2013, 02:52:51 AM
I'm still hesitant to try the MLV version vs the RAW version of 7D builds.

Those who tried it, does it offer higher resolution over the raw version in 1x and in crop mode?

currently with britom's  aug 30 build were still at 1728 x 972 in 1X.

Are the app for converting mlv backwards compatible with raw files we might already be on archive?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ulysnep on September 01, 2013, 05:23:01 AM
I've been a silent observer up until this point but thought I would speak up. :)

I just tried out Britom's Aug 30 build on about 15 short videos today (1152 x 576 on a Kingston 16gb 133x =~9sec) and virtually all my videos have at least one pink-glitch frame. This never happened when I ran the same res with BrunoNicko's Aug 26 build.

I'm really liking the MLV format versus RAW. MLV keeps the video's ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc. whereas RAW has nothing (unless I'm missing something?).

Nice work though! I can't begin to tell you how excited I get when new versions of the raw_rec come out.

Cheers!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 01, 2013, 06:09:41 AM

Those who tried it, does it offer higher resolution over the raw version in 1x and in crop mode?

Are the app for converting mlv backwards compatible with raw files we might already be on archive?

Same resolution pretty much. You still get the same stream and the resulting DNG. But one thing for sure, you get faster write speeds with MLV, letting you record higher resolution with the same card.

for the second part: I think you accidentally a sentence.

I've been a silent observer up until this point but thought I would speak up. :)

I just tried out Britom's Aug 30 build on about 15 short videos today (1152 x 576 on a Kingston 16gb 133x =~9sec) and virtually all my videos have at least one pink-glitch frame. This never happened when I ran the same res with BrunoNicko's Aug 26 build.

I'm really liking the MLV format versus RAW. MLV keeps the video's ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc. whereas RAW has nothing (unless I'm missing something?).

Nice work though! I can't begin to tell you how excited I get when new versions of the raw_rec come out.

Cheers!

The RAW version of raw_rec writes a LOT slower than the new MLV version. If you're getting pink, it's because the camera can't write to the card as fast. Hence you're not getting pink in the MLV version. Either you upgrade to a fast card or switch to the MLV version.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 01, 2013, 08:16:18 AM
The RAW version of raw_rec writes a LOT slower than the new MLV version. If you're getting pink, it's because the camera can't write to the card as fast. Hence you're not getting pink in the MLV version. Either you upgrade to a fast card or switch to the MLV version.

Indeed... and the workflow is the same raw2dng <=> mlv2dng  Sooner or later we all going to change... embrace the future  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 01, 2013, 09:38:04 AM
When shooting video is it better to shoot with global draw on or off ? Using MLV build.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 01, 2013, 10:15:48 AM
I'm still hesitant to try the MLV version vs the RAW version of 7D builds.

Those who tried it, does it offer higher resolution over the raw version in 1x and in crop mode?

On my Sandisk Extreme Pro 16GB (60MB/s) I get over 3MB/s more.  This works out to a bump to 2.20 from 2.35 for me in 1x.  It would be interesting to see how it works with the Komputerbay cards you have.

Using mlv2dng is easy enough as well.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 01, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
what about spanned files of more than 4gig? Whats the best method or is there a developed app like rawanizer for the PC that will handle 4gig + files?

Once I'm convinced to try it now than later I'll test how the KomputerBay Cards on how they handle with MLV.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: _iLiam on September 01, 2013, 01:23:53 PM
I'm not sure if i'm missing something very obvious but which build is the MLV build? I'm currently running the ml_britom_30_aug build.
Is the MLV the nick_g3ggo build? Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: nick.p on September 01, 2013, 02:45:17 PM

I'm not sure if i'm missing something very obvious but which build is the MLV build? I'm currently running the ml_britom_30_aug build.
Is the MLV the nick_g3ggo build? Thanks.
Yes
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 01, 2013, 04:29:12 PM
Where do you compile the raw_rec module? To get started, I ran make from the main hudson repository and it builds everything fine. G3gg0's failed for me but then I tried limiting it to "make 7D" and it compiled too.

But now I go into the modules directory on either repository, and make does nothing.

Running make from the modules/raw_rec directory fails for me the same reason from both- "/usr/include/features.h:324:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory"

I guess I could start fiddling with the Makefile's, but that can't be right, I'm probably missing some basic step...

Using the newest toolchain on ubuntu 12.04 vm 64bit with libc6-i386 installed, in case that matters
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 02, 2013, 01:51:32 AM
OK guys got a question. Well two question
 First in burst mode is there anyway to just capture a certain resolution like cinascope or 720p in the ml setting or do ijust gave to change in post aka adobe AE.
 Wyy is raw record doesnt capture same quality like burst mode. Or is raw rec some hack and not aame quality like 5dm2 or other canon.


Thx guys i know 7d is behind in development
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 02, 2013, 02:18:27 AM
Well its not 100% complete but here is MLV + my raw_rec... Missing delete last video so far but the menu is a bit cluttered.

https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/src/e31654dc276bc4354d3e1c00d37d0170c31adcb6/modules/mlv_rec?at=unified

I think it should run on 7D/50D/5DIII/II, etc. I didn't fix the cf card hardcoding yet.

Verdict: 1-2MB slower, IME base needs to not have a menu item.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 02, 2013, 03:19:22 AM
Well its not 100% complete but here is MLV + my raw_rec... Missing delete last video so far but the menu is a bit cluttered.

https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/src/e31654dc276bc4354d3e1c00d37d0170c31adcb6/modules/mlv_rec?at=unified

I think it should run on 7D/50D/5DIII/II, etc. I didn't fix the cf card hardcoding yet.

Verdict: 1-2MB slower, IME base needs to not have a menu item.


Thx  so I just download it and install in on my current ml built?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 02, 2013, 03:35:50 AM
Yea, I posted a compiled one, if it used MLV before then this should run. Does the cache hack work?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 02, 2013, 03:57:11 AM
 :D Thanks a lot 1%, it's looking good, i'm about to test it.

I've posted a build with your modules here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 02, 2013, 05:36:49 AM
what about spanned files of more than 4gig? Whats the best method or is there a developed app like rawanizer for the PC that will handle 4gig + files?

Once I'm convinced to try it now than later I'll test how the KomputerBay Cards on how they handle with MLV.

The camera automatically creates new file when it hits 4 gig. If you make a long recording, it will result in multiple files. You just drag the first .mlv file to the mlv2dng thingy.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 02, 2013, 05:55:58 AM
The camera automatically creates new file when it hits 4 gig. If you make a long recording, it will result in multiple files. You just drag the first .mlv file to the mlv2dng thingy.

Thanks feureau. I think I might give it a go this week. Hopefully the 5D2 will also be ported with mlv. or is it already?

For now I use rawanizer to process footage from both 5d2 and 7d. It would be a pain to use different process for each camera.

I like the progress being made on the 7D now, and the priority I see in the 7D developement should be;

--FPS over ride. ( so crop mode can increase in resolution by using 24fps, )

--Porting the proper framing preview in crop mode being used in 5d2.
(but this also need improvement even on the 5d2, proper framing should be maintained during recording to make this really useful)

--Interface options so we can choose to remove some info cluttering the frame while recording.

--with faster benchmark speeds, hopefully higher resolutions above 1728 x 972 in 1X mode will be possible.

Hopefully with more devs jumping on the 7d work things are now expedited.
Good job and good luck developers!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 02, 2013, 06:20:16 AM
Yea, I posted a compiled one, if it used MLV before then this should run. Does the cache hack work?

You mean the small hacks? I don't see any difference though.

On my sandisk 60mb/s - I can get 55mb/s out of g3gg0's raw_rec.mo, while the build posted by britom clocks in at 50mb/s

On g3gg0's, I'm using buffer fill method 3 and CF-only buffers 8. (buffer fill method seems to be missing on your build)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 02, 2013, 06:43:49 AM
Buffer fill is there, I thought CF only is for splitting CF/SD
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 02, 2013, 07:03:47 AM
Buffer fill is there, I thought CF only is for splitting CF/SD

Sorry I got that mixed up. Buffer fill is there. It's the CF only buffer that is missing.

Not sure what CF-only is for, but on one of my previous tests, increasing that seems to make it write faster, but it slowed down significantly at CF only 9.

I just did a quick test, and it doesn't seem to effect anything on g3gg0's latest from nick.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: blackjack102 on September 02, 2013, 08:27:37 AM

I decided to use 30/08/2013 britom's build with raw files and went to an anime convention next day! I used 1280x514, 16:9 and small hacks to make this video. I don't use card warm-up, and the build can push up to 1600 frames. I surprised to find fewer pink corrupted files than previous builds. Some scenes did not generate any corrupted files. I faced two problems.

First, I tried to use upsidedown setting on my monitor, so I can upsidedown my camera and shoot. I noticed that live view was chopped and hoped it doesn't affect the scene video. When I went to home, I discovered that the scene was affected by upsidedown setting. The scene generated 200 pink corrupted out of  600 frames. I should do the test before I go.

Second problem, I turned off global draw and did not know that my memory was about to full. I stopped recording scene and found that my camera was so busy to write for while that I had to wait cosplayer for next scene. After writing, I started the next record, and I turned off/on camera after the instance and found the message: “full memory”. I swapped memory cards. At my computer, I discovered that the next scene did not record at all.

Everything is experiment to me! I am so amazed to see the build did not use a lot energy from battery; in fact, my 7D wrote 22 GB of raw files and used ONE bar of battery. If I use canon's standard video process, I am sure my battery will dead at end of day. I am sure my video can improve more but am doing it as hobby. I am happy with the result.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on September 02, 2013, 08:29:48 AM
Great find about upside down vs pink frames (I was looking for a way to reproduce them)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 02, 2013, 02:29:40 PM
On the britom_1% build 1728x786 (2.20:1) is working quite well and 1728x864 (2:1) seems to push the card all the way to 57.5MB/s at peak with the mlv_rec module. After giving that a go ML seems to think my card is good for 57.3MB/s using whatever math is does (avg?) from the last run. Trying 1728x934(1.85:1) *appears* to push the card to 58.2 MB/s but I don't really know how accurate the numbers are during recording.

Because of issues I am having loading all of the modules I only have the ime_* modules and mlv_rec loaded at the moment.

It may be interesting to note that loading the file manager module later seemed to impact write speed for some reason.  Obviously this is just me eyeballing it and not a proper test but I routinely get 55-58MB/sec with it off and 50-55MB/sec with it on.  It might be nothing since obviously I am not doing scientific testing.  I'll see in a bit if it affects anything in playback benchmark.

Sandisk Extreme Pro 16GB (60MB/s)
128MB warmup (Not sure this matters)
Buffer Fill Method: 4

 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 02, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
Ditto, about the pink frames, now I want to try upside down on cameras that support it and see if it makes things worse.

On 50D it takes ~3 recordings to get up to 80Mb/s. The numbers should be mostly accurate. You can also compare between, ie, run a normal raw module and compare to MLV.

Quote
with faster benchmark speeds, hopefully higher resolutions above 1728 x 972 in 1X mode will be possible.
In 1x its probably not going to get any bigger... but a CF camera should record 1x no sweat.

Priority is FPS + display filters to get it up to speed with the rest of the ML stuff. I think only EOSM is missing display filters because of the sync and 7D because of ? (dual digic or sync?) Still waiting on camera in hand tho. First first thing will be to check edmacs/reslock if you're still getting pink frames.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 02, 2013, 04:44:21 PM
Running make from the modules/raw_rec directory fails for me the same reason from both- "/usr/include/features.h:324:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory"

Using the newest toolchain on ubuntu 12.04 vm 64bit with libc6-i386 installed, in case that matters

So it was a 64-bit vs. 32-bit issue, running sudo apt-get install libc6-dev-i386 fixed it to work on the main hudson branch

Ran into another issue with 64v32bit on g3gg0's repository in the lzma stuff though, I think I'll just fire up a 32-bit VM to make life more predictable.

Noting this here in case it helps anyone else...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: thoma on September 02, 2013, 06:22:21 PM
@ 1%

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but why will the 7D never make it to 1920x1080 at 1x? You said:

'In 1x its probably not going to get any bigger... but a CF camera should record 1x no sweat.'

How do you mean 'a CF camera'?

Thanks!

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 02, 2013, 06:59:10 PM
@thoma

Because the sensor size in pixels is 5,184 × 3,456

In 1x non crop mode the procesor does line skipping using 1 line every 3 lines (it's designed like this so the camera can supposedly output 1920x1080 h264 video without a lot of processing power)
In 5x cropped mode the processor takes a small part of the sensor without line skipping, therefore is possible to record at a higher resolution but not with the whole sensor (2512x1200)

Just divide 5184/3=1728 (max horizontal resolution in non cropped mode).

Now this comunity has acheived unbeliable things, so it's ok to dream that this barrier can be overcome.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 02, 2013, 07:37:15 PM
I think he was referring to the possibility of 1728x1156 in 1x no?  Possibly useful for anamorphic etc...

EDIT: I actually went back and read that properly... never mind me :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 02, 2013, 07:38:12 PM
It can't even record full 1080P H264.... that YUV size in the debug menu is what its upscaled from... let me guess, close to or smaller than 1728.

The best/most realistic thing would probably be to add line skipping to 5x mode so that its not so cropped. I.e, instead of 3 do 2. I guess we'll see what comes from the ADTG gui/thread.

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1728x1156

So a 1000x card can't handle 1156 or close to it like 1038?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 02, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
It claims a 79.9MB/s for 1728x1156 @ 23.976.  I'd be interested to see @ted ramasola test with the latest builds on the cards he has.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 02, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
@1% Wow, you mean 1056x704!?!? i thought it was atleast 1500xsomething upscaled to 1080p :/

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-3.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAB-natxhh1M56YH8_pASkF0T_RV5wC3Sz23sV1DBhAwRA%2F12%2F43043701%2Fjpeg%2F1024x768%2F3%2F1378152000%2F0%2F2%2FVRAM1.BMP%2FJH23S-6XVyedhRRTJI0Ez5jwNheNGa1rPPZjfG1qP_E&hash=5f488810c44473784eea07c539f4fd7d)

Talking about the 5x cropped mode, doing line skipping every 2 lines means we can cover the equivalent area of 5024x2400 or 5024x1200 pixels (the full sensor is 5184x3456) but still recording as 2512x1200. Am i right?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 02, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
@1% Wow, you mean 1056x704!?!? i thought it was atleast 1500xsomething upscaled to 1080p :/

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-3.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAB-natxhh1M56YH8_pASkF0T_RV5wC3Sz23sV1DBhAwRA%2F12%2F43043701%2Fjpeg%2F1024x768%2F3%2F1378152000%2F0%2F2%2FVRAM1.BMP%2FJH23S-6XVyedhRRTJI0Ez5jwNheNGa1rPPZjfG1qP_E&hash=5f488810c44473784eea07c539f4fd7d)

Hmm.. I'm seeing 720x480, 720x480 on my Image buffers in the Debug menu. Is there some settings that effects this?

EDIT: If there's some settings that effects the  YUV buffer thingy, any chance of increasing that and getting higher-res h.264s?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: thoma on September 02, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
@ 1%

Ahhhhhh....it's so (deceptively) simple.  Is that also why you always hear that the 1920 H.264 files are only really resolving ≤ ~1k horizontal lines?  Because the final output is simply an upscaling of the line skipped video feed? 

Somewhat related - I'm assuming that magic lantern is grabbing the raw feed after the line skipping/binning process and the possibility of getting further upstream and doing a cleaner downsample is not possible right?

thanks again
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fadase on September 03, 2013, 03:14:03 AM
Please i don't find modules on my 7d
 :-[

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 03, 2013, 04:10:36 AM
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1056x704

Thats a zoom window or idle size. This blows up to the input size when recording.

720x480 is the LV yuv for the LCD.

Its like mm1 -> yuv - > h264. the camera can do a couple YUV buffers at once in diff sizes
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 03, 2013, 04:27:11 AM
Thats a zoom window or idle size. This blows up to the input size when recording.

720x480 is the LV yuv for the LCD.

Its like mm1 -> yuv - > h264. the camera can do a couple YUV buffers at once in diff sizes

Has anyone tried investigating/experimenting with changing YUV sizes for the h.264? (and maybe get a hi-res 2.64?)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 03, 2013, 04:50:56 AM
The H264 hardware encoder will only output the sizes it has. You can maybe feed it something else at best.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 03, 2013, 05:01:45 AM
The H264 hardware encoder will only output the sizes it has. You can maybe feed it something else at best.

Would feeding it the liveview raw feed let it encode something un-upscaled? That would yield a 1080p H.264 that is ML-Raw-like in terms of resolution...

Basically eliminating that softness in the H.264 video that people have been complaining about...

Can it be done via modules?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 03, 2013, 05:03:02 AM
A bit away from the current topic. 7D's write speed is only around 63% of its theoretical speed. I am wondering if it is due to the fact that the ML is booting from the slave CPU, and I think that it might be writing faster from the master CPU saving the penalty of overhead from communicating between the CPU?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 03, 2013, 05:32:40 AM

So a 1000x card can't handle 1156 or close to it like 1038?

Aug 30 build 7D

Just tested on
KomputerBay 256gig 1200X (formatted as 128gig)

1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 51 gig to test another card. Buffer barely budged. Card needed some warm up.

in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 30 gig, as temp warning showed up. buffer barely moved.


KomputerBay 64gig 1000X

1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 31 gig. Buffer at 20-30%. Card needed to warm up.

in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 24 gig. buffer barely moved.

Lexar 32gig 1000X

1728 x 1038 = filled up 32 gig card. Needs to warm up card first.

in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = 7649 averaged from several takes.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 03, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
Aug 30 build 7D

Just tested on
KomputerBay 256gig 1200X (formatted as 128gig)

1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 51 gig to test another card. Buffer barely budged. Card needed some warm up.

in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 30 gig, as temp warning showed up. buffer barely moved.


KomputerBay 64gig 1000X

1728 x 1038 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 31 gig. Buffer at 20-30%. Card needed to warm up.

in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = indicated continuous recording, I stopped at past 24 gig. buffer barely moved.

Lexar 32gig 1000X

1728 x 1038 = filled up 32 gig card. Needs to warm up card first.

in crop mode @ 30p
2048 x 682 = 7649 averaged from several takes.

That is amazing. Did you write down the write speed for each of these?

Have you tried shooting at 2.5k and how long did it last?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 03, 2013, 08:35:03 AM
That is amazing. Did you write down the write speed for each of these?

Have you tried shooting at 2.5k and how long did it last?

I don't know about write speeds, I only did the benchmarks which I posted here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7503.msg71926#msg71926

for 2.5K using aug 30 build
Highest possible in crop mode 2512 x 1200 @30P

KB 256gig 1200X = 102 frames average

KB 64gig 1000X = 102 frames average

KB 128gig 1000X = 100 frames average

LX 32gig 1000X = 100 frames average
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 03, 2013, 12:32:56 PM
Thanks! :D

I've been thinking of getting the 64g komputerbay
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 03, 2013, 07:36:55 PM
Quote
I think that it might be writing faster from the master CPU saving the penalty of overhead from communicating between the CPU?

Well I'm planning on trying to boot on the master... thought the edmac and card controller is separate from the digic I think... the master might have less CPU usage tho. Guess we'll see.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 04, 2013, 06:55:24 AM
Can't wait to be able to play back MLV files in the camera ....if that's possible :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 04, 2013, 07:45:36 AM
Can't wait to be able to play back MLV files in the camera ....if that's possible :)

You can already do this. To some extent.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on September 04, 2013, 09:15:39 AM
I decided to pull the trigger on the Mk3 and was really surprised to only get 51 frames in crop 2560x1164 (without FPS override) , the 7D can get almost double that in 2512x1200 , (buffer size ?)

Fortunately the continuous 1080p with no aliasing and moire in non crop is just amazing , i just expected it to perform decently in crop at higher resolutions

Highest i could do continuous was 2048x1152 24p in crop with FPS override (94.5 MB/s)

By the way has 1% received his 7D ?

Best

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 04, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
Not yet but almost... still need to receive some money from card.

Almost, almost...   :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crazyd on September 04, 2013, 01:06:59 PM
Sometime i can shootting 2,5k with non crop mode. I don't know what that mean.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 04, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
I decided to pull the trigger on the Mk3 and was really surprised to only get 51 frames in crop 2560x1164 (without FPS override) , the 7D can get almost double that in 2512x1200 , (buffer size ?)

On 5D3 if you enable:
Preview: Hacked
Memory hack: ON
Small hack: ON

I get 126 frames on 5D3 on Lexar 1000X

On 7D I only get 95-110 on same card
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 04, 2013, 01:24:22 PM
Not yet but almost... still need to receive some money from card.

Almost, almost...   :D
 

i think,
the best would bi ,if Magic7d ships the camera to 1%,and once you colect the money for the cf card,to buy the card  on amazon.com and deliverit to 1% addres.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: oc_masta on September 04, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
Picking up a Canon 7D today, chose it over the 50d and gh2.
Hopefully, it will stand next to the 5d mark II/III in terms of raw video.
fingers crossed.

Will donate happily to the cause.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 04, 2013, 04:47:58 PM
Quote
the best would bi ,if Magic7d ships the camera to 1%,and once you colect the money for the cf card,to buy the card  on amazon.com and deliverit to 1% addres.

I already grabbed it from ebay when the camera tracking moved so the price wouldn't go up and I would have at the same time. I'm betting everything gets here by friday. 7D is in country at least.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 04, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
You can already do this. To some extent.

Hi, do you mind to tell me more? :) I'm fairly new at this and tried to search and read through the forum but couldn't find anything yet...

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 04, 2013, 06:56:58 PM
I already grabbed it from ebay when the camera tracking moved so the price wouldn't go up and I would have at the same time. I'm betting everything gets here by friday. 7D is in country at least.

I'm glad to hear it
I want to thank you for the help you give,and not least to thank Alex and g3gg0 for all the effort they have made
for us to have such a toy with which to play
I hope to hear only good things in the coming days
thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on September 04, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
On 5D3 if you enable:
Preview: Hacked
Memory hack: ON
Small hack: ON

I get 126 frames on 5D3 on Lexar 1000X

On 7D I only get 95-110 on same card

Awesome , will test that out !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 04, 2013, 10:47:28 PM
Trying to test the crop mode and see if I could push the resolution. There are still bad frames and not continuous.
I'm using Lexar Professional 1000x 32GB card.

What's with that flickering? I read that ACR caused it?


1st.
Canon Setting: 30fps
ML Mode: cropped
ML aspect ratio: 16:9
ML resolution: 2048x1152
Total Frames: 127

2nd.
Canon Setting: 30fps
ML Mode: cropped
ML aspect ratio: 2.35:1
ML resolution: 2048x872
Total Frames: 343

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dne202 on September 04, 2013, 11:51:35 PM
I'd love to clarify something real quick before I go down the road of buying a card and learning how to install ML on the 7d.  I've been gleaming from some previous posts that if you shoot at 720 resolution, you will increase the crop factor of your sensor because the camera will only record part of the sensor field.  Is there any way around this?  I don't see much use in shooting full 1080p resolution because the file sizes are too large and I want more than 13 minutes per 64gb of memory... but I also don't think a 3x crop factor would be workable for me.  Hopefully I'm missing something and this isn't the catch 22 I'm presenting here.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 05, 2013, 12:06:11 AM
I'd love to clarify something real quick before I go down the road of buying a card and learning how to install ML on the 7d.  I've been gleaming from some previous posts that if you shoot at 720 resolution, you will increase the crop factor of your sensor because the camera will only record part of the sensor field.  Is there any way around this?  I don't see much use in shooting full 1080p resolution because the file sizes are too large and I want more than 13 minutes per 64gb of memory... but I also don't think a 3x crop factor would be workable for me.  Hopefully I'm missing something and this isn't the catch 22 I'm presenting here.

The 3X crop recording in raw video is indeed much sharper and less prone to aliasing and moire due to it recording 1:1 pixel from a cropped portion of the sensor, unlike 1X which employs line skipping to record from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor.

This is different from 720 60P recording in h264 which is also recording from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor but at more lower res to give you downscaled 720 60P and more aliasing and moire than what you see in 1080.

64gig gives you approx 15 min in 1728 x 972 resolution @ 24P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 05, 2013, 12:12:57 AM
I'd love to clarify something real quick before I go down the road of buying a card and learning how to install ML on the 7d.  I've been gleaming from some previous posts that if you shoot at 720 resolution, you will increase the crop factor of your sensor because the camera will only record part of the sensor field.  Is there any way around this?  I don't see much use in shooting full 1080p resolution because the file sizes are too large and I want more than 13 minutes per 64gb of memory... but I also don't think a 3x crop factor would be workable for me.  Hopefully I'm missing something and this isn't the catch 22 I'm presenting here.
On 7D Raw video at 1280x720 and 29.97 fps does not require any crop!  Only if want more than 1728x972 will you need to use crop.
On 7D Raw video at 1280x720 and 29.97 fps requires a recording speed of 46 MB/s.
On 7D Raw video at 1280x720 and 29.97 fps generates 2795 MB (2.8 GB) every 1 min, therefore 13 min = 2.8*13 = 36.4 GB
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 05, 2013, 12:30:38 AM
In 7D
technically, in Crop Mode its recording a "cropped" portion of the sensor.

However, in 1X, when you change resolution for example from 1728 width to 1280 you will see your framing guide white rec reduce in size poroprtionally thus recording only a "cropped" portion from that of 1728, so yeah, its still cropped with line skipping while 3X crop does not employ line skipping, thats the difference I guess.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 05, 2013, 02:38:57 AM
In 7D
technically, in Crop Mode its recording a "cropped" portion of the sensor.

However, in 1X, when you change resolution for example from 1728 width to 1280 you will see your framing guide white rec reduce in size poroprtionally thus recording only a "cropped" portion from that of 1728, so yeah, its still cropped with line skipping while 3X crop does not employ line skipping, thats the difference I guess.

Your terminology is correct but in RAW video I refer to "cropped video" as the video obtained by pressing the zoom button.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 05, 2013, 01:02:48 PM

3 sep kl 04:22   Stockholm EMS, The item has been dispatched from Posten´s international terminal for onward transport abroad.
3 sep kl 17:51   U.S.A., The item has arrived at the international terminal in the destination country for sorting.

Thanks to all that help/participated in this, you know who you are!!! And a special thanks to Magic 7D and 1%.

That the games begin  :D 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dne202 on September 05, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
In 7D
technically, in Crop Mode its recording a "cropped" portion of the sensor.

However, in 1X, when you change resolution for example from 1728 width to 1280 you will see your framing guide white rec reduce in size poroprtionally thus recording only a "cropped" portion from that of 1728, so yeah, its still cropped with line skipping while 3X crop does not employ line skipping, thats the difference I guess.

Thanks for making that clear.  So I guess the catch 22 does exist for shooting RAW: either you shoot 1728 and have to buy a bunch of cards to handle the massive data rates, or you shoot 1280 and have to buy a bunch of wider lenses to compensate for the smaller image plane.  Does this happen with all the cameras?  Or is this just a 7d problem that might be fixed.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 05, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
All... so you need like 10-11mm lenses, etc. Some have better or worse down scaling in "normal" mode. Zoom also needs FPS override or it won't work/ you get 30P.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 05, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
Have you guys tested some of the wide zooms with the crop mode to see which performs best?
I know that Sigma 10-20 has very low distortion, but not as sharp as the Tokina 11-16, for example.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dne202 on September 05, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
All... so you need like 10-11mm lenses, etc. Some have better or worse down scaling in "normal" mode. Zoom also needs FPS override or it won't work/ you get 30P.

Thanks for the response.  I think I fully understand now :)  Good luck with the programming!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 05, 2013, 06:40:55 PM
Have you guys tested some of the wide zooms with the crop mode to see which performs best?
I know that Sigma 10-20 has very low distortion, but not as sharp as the Tokina 11-16, for example.

My brother has the Tokina 11-16. While the lens is sharp wide open at 2.8, it has this blooming effect like soft focus when you shoot against something really bright, like when exposing for indoor and shooting a window frame.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pelican on September 05, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
or you shoot 1280 and have to buy a bunch of wider lenses to compensate for the smaller image plane.
It's not necessary a bad thing because it can be an advantage if you need long telephoto...
And even if you need wide angle you have to buy only ONE lens, below your widest lens, not a BUNCH...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rai2121 on September 05, 2013, 07:20:34 PM

For this test I wanted to try out the new Canon 7D ML raw ability on a longer shoot. The goal was to see how good of a image we could get while also telling a short narrative. All the clips were shot at 1728x972 with a 1000x Komputerbay 64GB card.

The first thing I noticed is that the 7D is still prone to over heating on long shoots. There were times we would stop and dump the footage solely because the camera needed to cool down and was dropping frames or producing too many corrupted frames. Ice packs were used several times. It was Texas in August, but were always in the shade and so this was disappointing to learn that raw recording doesn't produce any less heat for the 7D. I haven't made the switch over to .mlv, but I've read that it produces less corrupted frames, so I will be switching soon.

We shot separate audio and then synced in post. We unfortunately had some issues with it, but this had nothing to do with the ML raw recording module.

The images pretty much speak for themselves. This is way better then anything you can shoot with h.264. Many, many thanks to the whole ML team and all the contributors on the ML Forum.

We used a VAF on the shoot and didn't noticed any moire or aliasing. I did notice some vertical lines especially in the dark grey shirt. Not sure if that was from processing them in ACR or not.

It took me two days to process the footage before I could start editing, so that was a new experience. I edited in FCPX, so after I tweaked the incoming footage, I exported each sequence to ProRes 422 (HQ) then synced all the audio. As long as you use a clapper, this isn't difficult at all.

All in all, the image quality is SO much better then h.264, that I really can't go back. No matter how much more difficult it is to work with (and I'm sure it will continue to get easier) its the only way to shoot with a Canon DSLR for me at this point.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: PANDETTA on September 05, 2013, 07:38:25 PM
it is 1728x972, so it's very close to 1080p. However I still feel the footage is quite soft. Is it because of the internet compression thing? idk. but I've seen way sharper raw video of 5D3 on vimeo.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rai2121 on September 05, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
I just checked on it and Vimeo now says that its converting it into 1080p instead of 720p, so for the moment its just showing SD...? Kinda weird. It should be HD again soon and it definitely looks way sharper...lol.

Update: It should now be 1080p in the embed.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 05, 2013, 09:22:31 PM

The first thing I noticed is that the 7D is still prone to over heating on long shoots.


Maybe you can use this? (http://www.astroshop.eu/other-astro-photo-accessories/geoptik-thermoelectric-cooling-box-for-eos-cameras/p,23373)

 ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Pileot on September 05, 2013, 10:05:20 PM

Maybe you can use this? (http://www.astroshop.eu/other-astro-photo-accessories/geoptik-thermoelectric-cooling-box-for-eos-cameras/p,23373)

 ;D

I have bought several ebay batteries that CLAIMED to have much higher capacity than the Canon OEM one. In order to test I set the cam to record with the lens cap on in a box with a computer fan to keep it cool. Without the fan I could go about 45 mins to an hour before overheating became an issue. With the fan there were no overheating issues at all.

In theory you COULD make a rig with a cover of some sort over the camera body and a fan blowing towards the cam on one side and an opening on the other side to let the air out. Remote screen for live view and bolt on a battery pack to power the fan and away you go!  Even blowing warm air over the camera body will help cool it down.

Best thing about this is no ice packs needed and no risk of condensation in the camera!



Theres also this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6685.msg53763#msg53763
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 05, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
Best thing about this is no ice packs needed and no risk of condensation in the camera!

How do you deal with the beer without ice packs?  ::)

the main problem is that heat is contained inside the body without any way to go out.
so the camera body is the dissipator. A simple fan could do the job as you said.
But in long term use, there's still a risk to broke your camera. Time will tell
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 05, 2013, 10:47:15 PM
Quote
that raw recording doesn't produce any less heat for the 7D

More.. 50D overheats too, 6D doesn't but feels hot. None of the other features in camera stress it as much or write close to as fast.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 06, 2013, 01:58:28 AM
I'm having a cracker tonight!
http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip (http://www.nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v3.zip)
Just a quick ? about this build. The mlv's are working fine. Is it possible to record raw at 23.976 frames or does this only do 30 frames? My menu in canon is set to 1929 x 1080 24. When I bring the dng files into AE it shows the clip at 30 fps. Do you think audio will be ever available for raw? Cheers....John
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 06, 2013, 02:36:05 AM
I have found that the camera is less hot with its original metal handgrip, one of my CF card cannot shoot to all the way to be full without a handgrip (it will show "skip frame"), but with a handgrip it can shoot all the way.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 06, 2013, 03:00:18 AM
Just a quick ? about this build. The mlv's are working fine. Is it possible to record raw at 23.976 frames or does this only do 30 frames? My menu in canon is set to 1929 x 1080 24. When I bring the dng files into AE it shows the clip at 30 fps. Do you think audio will be ever available for raw? Cheers....John

Set your AE to conform the dngs to 23.976, the default import settings must have been set to 29.97. Change it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 06, 2013, 04:26:07 AM
Set your AE to conform the dngs to 23.976, the default import settings must have been set to 29.97. Change it.
Thank you !!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mr_pablo on September 06, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
Could someone point me to the correct post/link for the latest build that allows continuous RAW recording?

Tried trawling back through the past 10 pages but couldn't seem to find the correct thing?

Sorry for being a nuisance!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 06, 2013, 05:05:46 PM
Could someone point me to the correct post/link for the latest build that allows continuous RAW recording?

Tried trawling back through the past 10 pages but couldn't seem to find the correct thing?

Sorry for being a nuisance!

You didn't notice it 4 posts above yours?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 06, 2013, 05:07:47 PM
I'd be interested to hear what people have found to be the best settings for recording RAW. Global draw on or off? Video hacks on or off? Buffer settings? There are a lot of variables and I'm never really sure the best settings.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 06, 2013, 08:08:51 PM
Global Draw Off
Preview Hacked
Hacks on
Buffer 4/3 if you are using mlv build, further reading here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
if you are using unified build you will not have and option for buffer selections.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 06, 2013, 08:19:39 PM
Could someone point me to the correct post/link for the latest build that allows continuous RAW recording?
Tried trawling back through the past 10 pages but couldn't seem to find the correct thing?
Also here:
7D Test builds with Raw Support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.msg73827;topicseen#msg73827
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on September 06, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
ok so is mlv working ok now? should I finally make a switch from raw?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 06, 2013, 10:10:46 PM
yes, MLV is working
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 07, 2013, 01:14:19 AM
You didn't notice it 4 posts above yours?

Be nice :)  It can be a lot of shit to wade through if one is just getting started.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 07, 2013, 01:26:27 AM
Be nice :)  It can be a lot of shit to wade through if one is just getting started.

Fair enough. I didn't intend for it to sound as harsh as it did.  :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 07, 2013, 07:11:47 AM
Global Draw Off
Preview Hacked
Hacks on
Buffer 4/3 if you are using mlv build, further reading here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
if you are using unified build you will not have and option for buffer selections.

Could you clarify what you mean with the Buffer setting? Everything else I follow, but I'm not sure exactly which setting that is. Is that the setting within Video Hacks?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Bjlemenager on September 07, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
Is there any way to convert or edit the .mlv directly yet, or does this format have to be converted to DNG and then to the final product/or proxy?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 07, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
Could you clarify what you mean with the Buffer setting? Everything else I follow, but I'm not sure exactly which setting that is. Is that the setting within Video Hacks?

It's inside the RAW option (1# latest build), right above "take" and "text". For me it came buffer 4 by default.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 07, 2013, 06:47:38 PM
Ok so I played with 7D this morning... I need to find out how to boot/save the master fir.. but as what's good:

*FPS override works (why disabled?)
*Display filters - work, need sync on something

Bad:
HDMI/Headphone stuff on the master
all ADTG/CMOS on the master

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: inky38 on September 07, 2013, 06:54:03 PM
Ok so I played with 7D this morning... I need to find out how to boot/save the master fir.. but as what's good:

*FPS override works (why disabled?)
*Display filters - work, need sync on something

Bad:
HDMI/Headphone stuff on the master
all ADTG/CMOS on the master

For fps being disabled, see this http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg21780#msg21780 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg21780#msg21780)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 07, 2013, 07:17:28 PM
It's inside the RAW option (1# latest build), right above "take" and "text". For me it came buffer 4 by default.

It's set to 4 by default for me as well. What does the 4/3 refer to? Are you saying that it should be set to 3 instead of 4?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 07, 2013, 07:24:58 PM
Hmm... fps is on and nothing is crappy.. maybe only H264...

7D is the memory king. 315MB shoot malloc.

It is jacking up in zoom mode... premature stop.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 07, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
wow. now we're talking!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 07, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
7D is the memory king. 315MB shoot malloc.

 :o
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on September 07, 2013, 07:49:22 PM
Is it just possible that no one has tried the FPS override till now with the latest builds?
The build that it was disabled in is from last year.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jphansen on September 07, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
The 3X crop recording in raw video is indeed much sharper and less prone to aliasing and moire due to it recording 1:1 pixel from a cropped portion of the sensor, unlike 1X which employs line skipping to record from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor.

This is different from 720 60P recording in h264 which is also recording from "almost" the entire height and width of the sensor but at more lower res to give you downscaled 720 60P and more aliasing and moire than what you see in 1080.

64gig gives you approx 15 min in 1728 x 972 resolution @ 24P

How do you get 3X crop mode?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 07, 2013, 08:20:57 PM
7D testing:

10X zoom freezes live view
Missing FPS..
Could not detect more buffer with different image quality settings.
Few pink frames in cropped and 60fps modes
Framing during cropped recording not true- 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 07, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
How do you get 3X crop mode?

How to record: -- RAW Digital Cropped Video 30/24fps on 5D3 --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0

Also applicable to 7D except for some resolutions and FPS override which is missing now... but not for long thanks to 1%

In short press zoom button while in live view
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 07, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
press the magnify button once to view 5x magnification on your LCD.

That engages 3X crop recording, start raw record and you will have a cropped video. For now its only 30P.

Unfortunately at this time what you see is NOT what you get. Until they they port the crop preview in the mark II which has proper framing in 3X crop,
in the 7D you are viewing a 5X crop, while recording more than what you are seeing.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 07, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
@DragonFlame @%1

I had tried fps override but didn't work for me. I defined in features.h

Code: [Select]
#define FEATURE_FPS_OVERRIDE
Maybe i'm missing something.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jphansen on September 07, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
Just discovered something wierd.. When recording mlv and my external monitor is connected the raw crop changes.. see the screenshot

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2FttS_xLc_STRPpSTCqw01-nkQ_saeL8uePAt-naBygf8XSZB5HLNpHWtEo_aL3WIMNg%3Dw1508-h668&hash=ff6e19d4e6815d5901a4365c39a957f9)

Also the screen resolution changes from 720X480 to 960X540

Is this useful in any way?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 07, 2013, 09:04:51 PM
this has been discussed onther threads regarding hdmi out. To remove the offcenterd crop guide use ML grayscale in preview options. Also, based on the 5D when you playback raw vide with hdmi attached the camera freezes. so if you want to playback/review your raw shots, remove hdmi.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 07, 2013, 09:17:04 PM
Quote
Maybe i'm missing something.

Seems the actual FPS doesn't change even though everything says it does.

Dunno if these are the real memory locations on the master still:

Code: [Select]
    if(reg == FPS_REGISTER_A)
    {
        ml_rpc_send(ML_RPC_ENGIO_WRITE, 0x8704, val, 0, 0);
    }
    if(reg == FPS_REGISTER_B)
    {
        ml_rpc_send(ML_RPC_ENGIO_WRITE, 0x8774, val, 0, 0);
    }
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 07, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
More 7D testing....

update:  Preview in different modes (MLGray, Hacked, Canon) not working
update: Dual ISO works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: AETTR works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: Autoexposure works

AETTR with intervalometer and XMP not working.  id AETTR does not adjust the exposure and xmp is not recorded.


Tested both Alex build and new RAW fortmat 2.0 with MLV files

In general Alex build was able to record faster as much as 30% to 45 % faster
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jim Jarmusch on September 07, 2013, 11:20:29 PM
More 7D testing....

update:  Preview in different modes (MLGray, Hacked, Canon) not working
update: Dual ISO works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: AETTR works in Photo Mode but not in Video Mode
update: Autoexposure works

AETTR with intervalometer and XMP not working.  id AETTR does not adjust the exposure and xmp is not recorded.


Tested both Alex build and new RAW fortmat 2.0 with MLV files

In general Alex build was able to record faster as much as 30% to 45 % faster

Did Alex make a 7d raw build?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 08, 2013, 12:12:06 AM
Did Alex make a 7d raw build?
You can compile the latest yourself from the repository or get some from here:

7D Test builds with Raw Support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0

P.S. If its RAW fortmat 2.0 the files will be in .MLV instead of RAW
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jim Jarmusch on September 08, 2013, 01:28:13 AM
You can compile the latest yourself from the repository or get some from here:

7D Test builds with Raw Support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0

P.S. If its RAW fortmat 2.0 the files will be in .MLV instead of RAW

Thnx a lot.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Deem on September 08, 2013, 04:17:35 AM
Hi,

my first ML raw test with my 7D. I made it in extreme lowlight conditions.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fpena06 on September 08, 2013, 03:12:18 PM
Hi,

I compiled my own from the link below and I'm able to see FPS override and change its settings, however it doesn't seem to be actually working. According to the videos I've seen when you crank down the FPS it should slow down the video on LV screen. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Build from here.
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/all

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 08, 2013, 04:05:37 PM
I know very little of programming. When looking through  fps-engio.c and fps.c, I have seen that there are some definitions for some cameras like 600D, 6D...but I couldn't find the likewise for 7D, which definitions are like these:

fps-engio.c: (line 272 - 298)
#ifdef CONFIG_600D
    #define NEW_FPS_METHOD 1
    #define SENSOR_TIMING_TABLE MEM(0xCB20)
    #define VIDEO_PARAMETERS_SRC_3 0x70AE8 // notation from g3gg0
    #undef FPS_TIMER_B_MIN
    #define FPS_TIMER_B_MIN MIN(fps_timer_b_orig, 1420)
    static const int mode_offset_map[] = { 3, 6, 1, 5, 4, 0, 2 };
#elif defined(CONFIG_60D)
...

fps.c: (line 16-32)
#ifdef CONFIG_600D
#define SENSOR_TIMING_TABLE MEM(0xCB20)
#define VIDEO_PARAMETERS_SRC_3 0x70AE8 // notation from g3gg0
#define CARTIRIDGE_CALL_TABLE 0x8AAC
#define AEWB_struct_ptr 0x1dcc
#endif

I do not know if it is important.

fps-engio.c:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/608e4b7437881d8cb8fc7e2c6c703fa4827f2606/src/fps-engio.c?at=unified

fps.c:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/608e4b7437881d8cb8fc7e2c6c703fa4827f2606/src/fps.c?at=unified

Just 2 cents.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 08, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
I think I found the problem... none of the RPC stuff is working. So master cache hacks or engio writes are doing jack + shit.

Mz is somewhat synced tho and display filter is working nice.. so if I can figure out a why on this maybe we'll have fps override... frame shutter/etc for FPS is on master too.


So I got it working... for signed bins only. :(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fpena06 on September 08, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
So I got it working... for signed bins only. :(

I'm new here. What are signed bins?

Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 08, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I'm going to check a few things and you're going to find out.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 08, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
Go 1% go! Go 1% go!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 08, 2013, 08:44:24 PM
Well I'm going to check a few things and you're going to find out.

Sweet

*rubs hands*
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 08, 2013, 10:21:25 PM
Well I'm going to check a few things and you're going to find out.

Which binaries can I clone to follow your development?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 08, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
So here it is:

http://www.filedropper.com/7dautobootfir

I guess mirror so it doesn't go away.

Normal bin boots on startup and you can't fps override or do video hacks.. or other "RPC" things.
So when you're booted up just go over to update firmware and it will restart into master/slave mode and you should be good on those features. Best way to have one's cake and eat it too at this point.

Added
*Display Filters (peaking/defish/etc)
*Audio Meters whenever
*Audio should be recording with wav on either internal/external, (i think input volume stays from the canon menu, you can record audio off)
*Dialog timers can be turned off
*FPS override works in fir mode
*Video hacks

 I'm lining up my card, so far only got ~75 MB/s in 5x mode which is worse than 50D.

*Bugs? Things I noticed:

*Starts up to metering selection menu? This camera took a fall so VF/TS doesn't work, a button could be stuck?
*Vignetting Correction. does it work? I can't tell
*H264 + fps override is untested, you don't "really" need it

All of the real edmacs for LV/etc are on the master and "hacked" previewless mode does seem to give some speed even with HDMI plugged in. 300MB shoot malloc with JPEG S

Quote
Which binaries can I clone to follow your development?

Its all in the 6D repo but the caveat is that the dual bins must be signed. Still haven't figured out ADTG logging on the master side for shutter. I got HDR working... but it flashed in LV only, i know where it is on the master but dunno how to do MEM(address)+X and have it land on the master via RPC.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 08, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
EPIC! thanks a lot mister! updated also here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987

Audio meters are working in the bin slave version for me!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 08, 2013, 10:36:39 PM
http://www.filedropper.com/7dautobootfir
Keeps cutting out!  Maybe to many downloads?  How big is it?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 08, 2013, 10:55:15 PM
Hmmmm. I'm having an issue with the new 1% build. How do you load modules? Under the modules section, it has them all listed and it even looks like some of them are loaded (or are enabled to load) but the functions aren't there. It shows th MLV module as green but the Load command is missing and I can't make the RAW functionality appear. Anyone else having this issue?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 08, 2013, 11:01:36 PM
The modules load on startup in both autoexec.bin and autoexec.fir... they should be loaded already when you're in the fir (set on what you want the first time you boot).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fpena06 on September 08, 2013, 11:08:56 PM
Thank you sir! FPS override working like a charm.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 08, 2013, 11:25:45 PM
First: a really big thanks Mr 1%! :)

so far only got ~75 MB/s in 5x mode which is worse than 50D.

So do you think you'll be able to improve this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 08, 2013, 11:45:26 PM
Hopefully. Not easy and immediate though... best I've seen is 77MB/s now. Although you can do a few seconds of 2K now.. if you drop the FPS some more then its continuous but where is the fun in that.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
The modules load on startup in both autoexec.bin and autoexec.fir... they should be loaded already when you're in the fir (set on what you want the first time you boot).

That's what I though but I must be doing something wrong. I updated all the files on my card with the new ones you provided. When I turn on he camera, I update the firmware via the Canon menu. It shows all the modules as if they've loaded, but when I go into the ML camera menu, the RAW options are not there. There's just no way to turn on RAW recording. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 09, 2013, 12:04:16 AM
That's what I though but I must be doing something wrong. I updated all the files on my card with the new ones you provided. When I turn on he camera, I update the firmware via the Canon menu. It shows all the modules as if they've loaded, but when I go into the ML camera menu, the RAW options are not there. There's just no way to turn on RAW recording. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

You might want to remove all of the previous modules you had then copy the 1% build over and then it might work for you.. I had the same problem.. I had previous build with .MLV raw and when I updated this over my existing files on the card, the modules shown loaded but I can't access Video raw.. then I did the above and it worked.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
You might want to remove all of the previous modules you had then copy the 1% build over and then it might work for you.. I had the same problem.. I had previous build with .MLV raw and when I updated this over my existing files on the card, the modules shown loaded but I can't access Video raw.. then I did the above and it worked.

Still not working for me. I deleted all the old modules and uploaded all the new ones. I also replaced the scripts and everything else. The modules that I've selected are green and say they will load on reboot, but they never do. I can see the FPS hack and it appears to be working, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right! but RAW recording just will not show up. I don't need to use EOSCard to update my card or anything, right? I just replaced the files on the card manually (well, deleted them first and then uploaded the new ones. I'm really confused here....
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 09, 2013, 12:27:38 AM
Still not working for me. I deleted all the old modules and uploaded all the new ones. I also replaced the scripts and everything else. The modules that I've selected are green and say they will load on reboot, but they never do. I can see the FPS hack and it appears to be working, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right! but RAW recording just will not show up. I don't need to use EOSCard to update my card or anything, right? I just replaced the files on the card manually (well, deleted them first and then uploaded the new ones. I'm really confused here....
In the new module system, the modules have to be enabled (on) by pressing set on the ones you want loaded.  Then reboot the camera.  There is no menu to load modules, etc
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 09, 2013, 12:38:39 AM
Still not working for me. I deleted all the old modules and uploaded all the new ones. I also replaced the scripts and everything else. The modules that I've selected are green and say they will load on reboot, but they never do. I can see the FPS hack and it appears to be working, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right! but RAW recording just will not show up. I don't need to use EOSCard to update my card or anything, right? I just replaced the files on the card manually (well, deleted them first and then uploaded the new ones. I'm really confused here....

That's strange. Mine did the exact same thing.. all modules were "on, will load" and green but there was no video raw... so I removed all the modules on the card and recopied 1% build over... and video raw finally shows.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 09, 2013, 12:41:15 AM
That's strange. Mine did the exact same thing.. all modules were "on, will load" and green but there was no video raw... so I removed all the modules on the card and recopied 1% build over... and video raw finally shows.

same thing happened here,now evrithing ok
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 09, 2013, 12:46:03 AM
Working. Confirmed that you hav to update fir everytime you turn on cameta so fps over ride to work. ;)
Don't delete anything from last build just copy files and overwrite.

@1%

Great job making fps working albiet quirky.
Hoping youl fix also the freezing 10x magnify
 since ml preview now works with 5x magnify
in crop mode 10x magnify is useful to confirm focus.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:48:54 AM
In the new module system, the modules have to be enabled (on) by pressing set on the ones you want loaded.  Then reboot the camera.  There is no menu to load modules, etc

Understood. I have the modules I want to load enabled. I turn off the camera, turn it back on but the modules still don't appear to be loaded. I never get the option to turn on raw recording even though the module is enabled. I tried with both the raw_rec module as well as the MLV module.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
Understood. I have the modules I want to load enabled. I turn off the camera, turn it back on but the modules still don't appear to be loaded. I never get the option to turn on raw recording even though the module is enabled. I tried with both the raw_rec module as well as the MLV module.

Hmmm. Well, I just copied over the entire directory and let it overwrite everything and that seemed to work. Before I had copied over the files individually but that didn't do it. Oh well.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 09, 2013, 12:59:42 AM
When first time I copied 1% version over the old version,if i choose the modules rec raw then i had no option in the menu to select shooting in RAW.
If we choose the module option to mlv rec then everything was ok, I could shoot in RAW the option was available.
When increased to 10x the image in live view it was working ok.
After I deleted everything on the card and then I copied 1% version again,everything seems ok except 10x magnifications,which now hangs and i have to disabled from the menu.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 01:06:43 AM
Just a thought for an awesome feature (and I would love it if this already exists, though I don't think it does), it would be great to be able to setup complex presets that we could save. So, for example, maybe I want to have a cinescope raw preset where I have a certain resolution and aspect ratio in my raw recording settings as well as have the cinescope cropmark enabled. It would be cool to be able to set it up exactly how I want it and then save all those settings under a preset that I can later recall. I can think of several different presets that I would use often, but take a while to setup and even then I run the risk of forgetting a particular setting, as well as the time that it takes setting it up. How awesome would it be to be able to just have a long list of custom presets that the user can set up and save?

Then you could probably even have these presets available for download so if one of us comes up with an awesome setting for [whatever cool stuff here]  they can share it with everyone. And if these presets were saved as individual files (which would probably be necessary if we were going to be able to share them) they could easily be backed up and when a new build comes out, we could just restore those files and have all our favorite settings easy to access, without having to set everything up again. I don't know. Just a thought. I wish I were a better programmer or I would get right on it. I'm apparently more of an "idea" guy.  ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 01:12:40 AM
When first time I copied 1% version over the old version,if i choose the modules rec raw then i had no option in the menu to select shooting in RAW.
If we choose the module option to mlv rec then everything was ok, I could shoot in RAW the option was available.
When increased to 10x the image in live view it was working ok.
After I deleted everything on the card and then I copied 1% version again,everything seems ok except 10x magnifications,which now hangs and i have to disabled from the menu.

So, I'm having a magnification issue as well, though a bit different. Magnification in RAW_REC works fine (I still have 10X disabled), but in MLV recording it's all messed up. As soon as I go to 5X zoom it turns black and white and when I hit it again to back to regular magnification, it totally freezes on me. I have to switch to photo mode and back (or off and on) to free it up. Bizarre.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Ozgur on September 09, 2013, 01:16:12 AM
So when exactly Magic Lantern development team would take action and take over this 7D RAW video? What do they need and what are they waiting for, is there some kind of code of ethic to have this on nightly builds when it is this close?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 09, 2013, 01:31:55 AM
Yea, the 10x just kills LV for me, probably the regs from 5x are applying?

Quote
5X zoom it turns black and white

Thats the framing preview.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 01:39:18 AM
Yea, the 10x just kills LV for me, probably the regs from 5x are applying?

Thats the framing preview.

Which is fine, but it's the switching back to 1X that kills it for me. Generally just goes black and locks up LV.

P.S. - I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything as I'm STOKED on the work you're doing and am just trying to report the bugs that I'm running into.

P.P.S. - Why does the framing preview not turn black and white in the raw_rec module and only the MLV module?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 09, 2013, 02:50:04 AM
There are 2 things done to the preview.

1. Make it color in zoom mode... it changes some regs to do this, it does both 5x/10x... I think its locking up 10x. I believe I found the bug, 50D can't record at 10x and I don't think 5DII either so nobody proofed it. 7D can no problem it seems (except this. and no it didn't help write speed, just slave LV is crashed).

2. Make a framing preview thats black & white and slow but the full frame in 5X/10X, before today you had no display filters so you couldn't do this... doesn't affect 10x, just slow and I wouldn't leave it on when writing unless you have no choice.

Also, audio controls work, they are 1:1 5DII. Headphone is on the master and I have to figure out how to set those addresses, read C0blahblah address and call prop_deliver on the master. I know where the stuff is but not 100% on how to talk with it.

HTF does headphone even work on 5dII? ML never sends any commands to reconfigure power regs or any of that.. it just undoes the screen. Does it just happen to work because we override sound dev task?

*Yes, I was correct, headphone works but screen is off... you can trick it, but I'll have to fix it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 09, 2013, 03:31:34 AM
@1%

The preview options are now ok. and they work, just to find a fix with 10x since in practice, based on 5d2,
The preview is set to option so when 5X activates crop mode, the low rez but proper framing kicks in, but to confirm focus is sharp before starting record, 10x is used, cycle back to 5x, start recording.

The difference between 7D and 5d2 auto preview in Crop Mode are
7D
preview  =  proper 3x framing,   low rez,   acceptable refresh.
record   =  proper 3x framing, low rez, slow refresh
ADVANTAGE- framing can be "predicted" but not focus.

5D2
preview =  proper 3x framing,  low rez, acceptable refresh
record = canon 5x framing but grayscale,  high rez,  realtime refresh
ADVANTAGE - focus can be maintained but framing is difficult.

I don't know if the best of both cameras can be combined. I would be nice though.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 09, 2013, 03:55:46 AM
We can see that the 7D's video capture ability is more and more formidable. Congratulations.

But I encounter two problems since the last build:
1) When the card record to its full capacity, the screen freezes to its last screen with that black screen and a square, and it is still there even I pull the camera's power slider to OFF position. The phenomena happens in the first 2 times of the total 4 test runs. And I have to pull the battery out.
2) The 0908 build permanently changes the camera's firmware, and in Canon's menu, 1920x1080@25fps option is gone.
3) It is not a problem, but when the camera's writing continuously, frame skipping suddenly appears, so I have to preload a very large file into the CF card while booting up (like warmup with 256mb--I haven't tried other settings yet), and then the CF card can, miraculously, have 0 frame skipping while recording continuously.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 09, 2013, 04:14:32 AM
I can still change it back to PAL.. I didn't try with fir running just booting a normal bin.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 04:24:07 AM
I should clarify the zoom issue I'm having. In the MLV raw module when the preview is set to Canon, it will freeze when cycled to 5X and then back to 1X. It doesn't seem to freeze when the preview mode is set to Hacked.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 09, 2013, 04:40:24 AM
Yep, there is some bug, it wasn't  what I thought it was... it is possible to somehow get into 10x with it moving but something in raw freezes it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 04:50:51 AM
Yep, there is some bug, it wasn't  what I thought it was... it is possible to somehow get into 10x with it moving but something in raw freezes it.

Also, with my issue, 10X is disabled so I don't think that factors in. I just cycle back and forth between 1X and 5X and that's when it freezes.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 09, 2013, 05:44:39 AM
I see, press play when that happens.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 06:25:39 AM
I see, press play when that happens.

Weird. Yeah, that fixes it. Thanks!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 09, 2013, 06:40:23 AM
Crash logs: http://www.filedropper.com/archive_22

What happened:

* zoomed at 5x, pressing the autofocus button to LV autofocus, it failed to focus and then crashed.

* regularly recording raw with raw_rec.mo that produces .raw at 2.5k


Thanks for all the fish, 1%
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sephiroth on September 09, 2013, 07:21:11 AM
I should clarify the zoom issue I'm having. In the MLV raw module when the preview is set to Canon, it will freeze when cycled to 5X and then back to 1X. It doesn't seem to freeze when the preview mode is set to Hacked.

I had the same issue that it would freeze, most of the time i had to restart the camera, but to come around this for now, just disabled the 10x zoom mode so it only "cycles" between 1x and 5x. Try it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sephiroth on September 09, 2013, 07:25:38 AM
I see, press play when that happens.

1%, BTW, the dolly mode (let you dolly with arrows) in RAW is very interesting. unfortunately it doesnt work in crop mode. I think right now its intended only for lower resolution , but would be awesome if it could be used in crop (as in crop even full HD is just 1/3rd horizontally and vertically so lets of space for some dolly action!). What do you think?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 09, 2013, 07:41:38 AM
I had the same issue that it would freeze, most of the time i had to restart the camera, but to come around this for now, just disabled the 10x zoom mode so it only "cycles" between 1x and 5x. Try it.

As I mentioned, I already have 10X disabled. I'm only cycling between 1X and 5X and it still freezes.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Fringuello on September 09, 2013, 07:45:53 AM
test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gboNZoszxtM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gboNZoszxtM)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 09, 2013, 02:30:27 PM
Quote
ASSERT: FALSE
at Memory\Memory.c:186

It ran out of memory for some reason.

Quote
BTW, the dolly mode (let you dolly with arrows) in RAW is very interesting. unfortunately it doesnt work in crop mode.

I still have to check some stuff out, its only been 48hrs, lol. Did it work on other modules?
 
Quote
most of the time i had to restart the camera

Play fixes it, I even recorded with the 10x blacked out like that. I think flipping fast between the display filter and not might be a problem with this sync method, I need to add the warning too that you'll come back to flickery magic zoom after using it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 09, 2013, 09:30:43 PM
wait so 1% this built i just copy over my existing built? btw thx for all the hard work.

nevermind just backup my current build and installed your new updated one. everything is working so far. havnt playd with crop zoomed mode. just wanted the latest built and work great.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sephiroth on September 10, 2013, 02:50:52 AM
It ran out of memory for some reason.

I still have to check some stuff out, its only been 48hrs, lol. Did it work on other modules?
 
Play fixes it, I even recorded with the 10x blacked out like that. I think flipping fast between the display filter and not might be a problem with this sync method, I need to add the warning too that you'll come back to flickery magic zoom after using it.

Was going to check it now, unfortunately i got a Canon 7D error code 30 "shooting is not possible due to an error". Probably it's not MLs fault , just very coincidental as i havnt seen it before i started using ML. Unless ML is using the shutter in some way of course - anyone knows?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sephiroth on September 10, 2013, 02:53:01 AM
Ok so taking out the lithium battery fixed it - not sure what this has to do with the shutter , but in case you run into the same thing that was the solution. Will pray i dont need to pay for a new shutter anytime soon. Living in Japan would probably make it convenient though.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 10, 2013, 03:58:00 AM
Just a heads up to those who want to test the latest build by 1% out in the field.

In camera format deletes the fir file.
The autoexec.bin and ML folders are retained.

So don't do a format of your cards and just delete files otherwise you won't be able to use the FPS override with crop mode.

I know these versions are still in progress, hopeful for it to be streamlined soon.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 10, 2013, 04:13:15 AM
Yep... oops, maybe it has to be added to ML files. Also audio controls work but overriding the sound task is missing something, it won't start recording H264 with audio enabled... but thats not released yet so working on it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 10, 2013, 04:24:19 AM
@1%,

doing several test takes with 32gig 1000x cf card at 1728 x 972, I encounter corrupt frames appearing at random.

This is at 1X recording not crop.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 10, 2013, 04:26:50 AM
So here it is:

http://www.filedropper.com/7dautobootfir

I guess mirror so it doesn't go away.

Keeps cutting out!  Maybe to many downloads?  How big is it?
Bump... I have a slow bandwidth and filedroper keeps cutting me out.  Any chance of posting this somewhere else?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 10, 2013, 05:09:50 AM
Bump... I have a slow bandwidth and filedroper keeps cutting me out.  Any chance of posting this somewhere else?

How about this: http://www.mediafire.com/download/xp8bpb8pgek5svd/%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip

Also, dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvm3lr7qzz7wof4/1%25%20Sept%209%202013%20%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip

Btw,

Play fixes it, I even recorded with the 10x blacked out like that. I think flipping fast between the display filter and not might be a problem with this sync method, I need to add the warning too that you'll come back to flickery magic zoom after using it.

Which one is the play button again? Play as in the playback/review button (the one immediately above the trash button) or the SET button?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 10, 2013, 06:22:03 AM
Which one is the play button again? Play as in the playback/review button (the one immediately above the trash button) or the SET button?

The one above the trash button.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 10, 2013, 06:45:05 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 10, 2013, 10:08:17 AM
Here's a build using 0x05 wich is also free:

src/edmac-memcpy.c
Code: [Select]
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x05;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0452mx31r43pegx/ML_britom_10_Sep_2013_.zip

Updated here too: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987

Hopefully we get less pink frames. Still need to test from 0x07 to 0x15
Built from 1% repository https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/overview

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 10, 2013, 10:29:46 AM
gonna try this
thx
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mikhailbphoto on September 10, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
Hi,

I have one question regarding fps override.. How do i change the fps when shooting raw?

and btw my first raw video.
www.mikhailbphoto.com
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fpena06 on September 10, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
Not different than you would with a regular video. Do you have the new autoexec.fir 1% recently release?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fpena06 on September 10, 2013, 12:08:21 PM
Check post #854
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: carniolus on September 10, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Here's a build using 0x05 wich is also free:

src/edmac-memcpy.c
Code: [Select]
#elif defined(CONFIG_7D)
uint32_t edmac_read_chan = 0x19;
uint32_t edmac_write_chan = 0x05;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0452mx31r43pegx/ML_britom_10_Sep_2013_.zip

Updated here too: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987

Hopefully we get less pink frames. Still need to test from 0x07 to 0x15
Built from 1% repository https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/overview

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! :P

Hello!

Can I install last updated version without previos version on my 7D - like clean install?
Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: fpena06 on September 10, 2013, 01:03:54 PM
Hello!

Can I install last updated version without previos version on my 7D - like clean install?
Thanks.

I have in the past. Clean install and copy new files to card.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 10, 2013, 01:27:23 PM
How about this: http://www.mediafire.com/download/xp8bpb8pgek5svd/%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip

Also, dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvm3lr7qzz7wof4/1%25%20Sept%209%202013%20%5B7D%5DAutoBoot%2BFIR.zip

Thanks, media fire worked on the first try!  Filedroper cut out every time.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 10, 2013, 05:08:49 PM
Just bought a Lexar 1000x CF... can't wait to test it :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 10, 2013, 05:32:21 PM
Some problems that i found using the latest build from 1%:

-My card is slow, so i record at 1728x736  /  2.35:1  Sometimes it give's me continuous recording, something not. Maybe need warming up the card...

-Wend turn on the camera fps override don't show up but after change some settings in ML menu it shows up and i can enable and chose the fps that i want. If i use the .fir and update it will show the fps override as should be. Know everytime that i turn on the camera i got the option for fps override. But don't know if works good because i can record with a higher resolution in x5.

-Wend i record with x5 it only record the zoom and the dng's it will be with the same resolution, 1728x736. I try with raw and mlv and it's the same. I formatted the card and use eoscard and then just copy the last build to the card and the same happen. I always disable the x10, maybe because of this? Will do more test for see if it's from there.

-I have just manage to record real x5 with fps override one time, i chose 23,976 but wend i start to record just show up saying 20.and something fps.

-In fps override what option i should pick, for getting 23,976 after i chose my fps?  Low light, Exact fps, low jello, 180d or hijello, fastTv?

-It's not possible to get better quality in the x5 black & white preview?



*Amazing work and for sure huge challenge for 1%  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
Great work. This thing is getting sweeter and sweeter.

I don't understand the fps overide mechanism very well, but it seems to me that it will drop fps and even shutter speed to suit its purposes, so I just choose "exact fps" hopefully to lock on the fps.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 10, 2013, 06:05:04 PM

Yes, i also choose "exact fps"  but it will record at 23.976 (i chose that) or with "exact fps" will record at 24 fps ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 10, 2013, 06:10:33 PM
Exact FPS is the nicest.. it gives you 23.976, only works when you load the fir, no way to change that yet. You have to change your resolution to be higher when switching to 5X mode otherwise it will record at the same res you picked for normal LV.

No real way to speed up or better the overlay preview.. thats as fast as the camera can make it... this is how fast any "real time" compression or image manipulation would work.

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I always disable the x10

Until I find a fix I'd say disable it, doesn't play nice with the display filters.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 10, 2013, 06:50:46 PM

Thank you master one percent. You rock big time  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 10, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
I fixed the audio too now.. except I have to make the "headphone" thing clear the screen... maybe just cache hack it from detecting in the first place? All the other features appear to be working, was a little bit of trouble since I couldn't correctly fake the audio task.

P.S. I found out how to get into 10x....

Turn on display filters and go in/out of the mL menu then zoom in... also you can do it with the grayscale preview on  the same way. Getting out is a little harder... not convenient so far but useable. Really weird bug.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 10, 2013, 07:45:42 PM

I think i will thank you 5 in 5 minutes  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on September 10, 2013, 08:50:14 PM
Is it just me or there is no motion blur while recording raw video...like there is no motion blur at all... Even if I drop the shutter speed to like 50 . . .?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 10, 2013, 09:11:59 PM
So I got arrow shortcuts back + force LV and its working with audio... didn't check while recording... I guess for headphones you can just plug in to monitor and then unplug for now.

It doesn't seem like there is motion blur but a lot of rolling shutter... I took some stuff walking around yesterday and it looks better than 50D, both the short 2k clips and the normal LV ones. I think resizing + the sensor is slightly better, wish it performed as well.. I've still yet to see an 80Mb/s

http://www.filedropper.com/7daudiocontrolsfirbin

Check and see if anything except 10X is broken.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 10, 2013, 09:40:05 PM
So... I follow these threads and got lost in some of the technical info... With 1% build, I see an autoexec.fir file... how do I use that? I read that is for the fps override.. and have to run manually? I put it on my card and I see that option so I'm not sure I understood it correctly.

With 1% new build above, I can record audio with the raw file? how would I use it?

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 10, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
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With 1% new build above, I can record audio with the raw file? how would I use it?

I tried... it loses wav data... record a wav from the sound recorder at the same time and you'll see. It would have to be rewritten to use edmac_memcpy_ *AND* probably use different edmac channels.

But H264 audio should work and so should wav audio (even if its grayed out bitching about canon audio). So you have sound recorder/ wav + h264/ embedded H264.

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read that is for the fps override.. and have to run manually?

The normal bin boots at start, you can do non master things... ie record raw, take photos/etc. To get FPS override (etc) to work you have to go run "firmware update" and it will restart + load on the master and slave together.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 10, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
The normal bin boots at start, you can do non master things... ie record raw, take photos/etc. To get FPS override (etc) to work you have to go run "firmware update" and it will restart + load on the master and slave together.

forgive me for asking one more question, how does one verify if FPS override actually working?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 10, 2013, 10:10:29 PM
I'd say there are 2 ways, see if the video hack menu says video hacks not available in this release (rpc is off, fps doesn't work) and/or turn down the FPS to like 2, you should see lag.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 10, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Thank you so much 1%!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: greglory on September 10, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
I'm very new to the raw feature.  Does the FPS override apply to shooting 60fps or is that still controlled by selecting 720 recording function?  Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 10, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
Mediafire link for 1%'s latest build posted in case people having problems with filedropper again: http://www.mediafire.com/download/84yvko04277zcfp/1%25_Sept_10_2013_%5B7D%5DAudioControlsFirBin.zip

EDIT: Also, crash log: http://www.mediafire.com/view/sxemqozmaukn4vu/CRASH00.LOG while trying to record raw with global draw off, the Live view won't zoom in to 5X. Hit play button, and half shutter to go back to liveview, zooms in to 5x, then hit record. Crash.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
Global draw off system wide? What preview mode?

60fps is still 60fps mode but I guess you can record it at 24P if you like moire.

So I'm getting higher speeds with quality set to raw even thought the buffer is smaller. Tops so far was 78.6 with shrunken LV and another hack.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 11, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
Global draw off system wide? What preview mode?
Not system wide, just disabled from the raw video module.
preview mode ML Grayscale.

So I'm getting higher speeds with quality set to raw even thought the buffer is smaller. Tops so far was 78.6 with shrunken LV and another hack.

That is awesome. :D Is this in the last build you posted? (mein card tops off at 55mb/s :()

I've been trying to cheat the bandwidth by recording at 720p60 mode but shooting at 1728 and stretching the pic 1.4x in post...

Has anyone been getting black bars such as these to the right when shooting at 2.5k? http://i.imgur.com/KvXBGoX.jpg
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 12:36:56 AM
I'll see what happens with ML grayscale if disabling it while recording... works on other cameras but maybe not here?

With the image I'll have to check, sounds like skip right is wrong in zoom?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 11, 2013, 12:39:51 AM
I'll see what happens with ML grayscale if disabling it while recording... works on other cameras but maybe not here?

With the image I'll have to check, sounds like skip right is wrong in zoom?

Thanks! :D I don't know what's wrong with the image though. It used to work just fine before this...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 11, 2013, 12:43:55 AM
I've set aspect ratio to 2:35. The white crop box appears to be correct for this. My preview is set to hacked. When I press record the crop box disappears. What is the proper setting to retain the crop box?? Thanks for your help !!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 11, 2013, 01:25:43 AM
Audio question. How us quality. Or should I just be recording on external device and sync in post.?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 11, 2013, 01:40:02 AM
Trying to trick the camera into getting higher res in 60P so tried it in crop mode.

Set canon menu to 60P

engaged crop mode, set FPS override, but FPS only allows 30 fps max in crop mode even if canon menu is set to 60p.

So 30P will always be the max with crop mode?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 03:17:36 AM
Ok, found the bug and some other things... fps override cuts your write down.

The mystery with 10x is semi solved.... the YUV becomes 720x56... in essence it breaks. Is this a bad thing tho? Without fps override in 10x no yuv I got 81 MB/s.

... so its possible to do call("lv_hd", 697); and set fps for 5x, then you can record at 80MB/s... but the image is damaged in zoom mode.. in normal LV its ok to record like this but no point.
So in theory the camera can write to do 1080P+ continuous like 50D.

So all this chasing of crop mode yet the camera seems to record a LARGE chunk of 1728x1152 with maybe some moire in non crop. Normal LV with 24fps.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 11, 2013, 05:52:45 AM

Played with 5x crop mode:
2048x872
2.35:1 ratio
fps override 23.976fps

Processed DNG with ACR in AfterFX then final output from PP.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 11, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
Ok, found the bug and some other things... fps override cuts your write down.

The mystery with 10x is semi solved.... the YUV becomes 720x56... in essence it breaks. Is this a bad thing tho? Without fps override in 10x no yuv I got 81 MB/s.

... so its possible to do call("lv_hd", 697); and set fps for 5x, then you can record at 80MB/s... but the image is damaged in zoom mode.. in normal LV its ok to record like this but no point.
So in theory the camera can write to do 1080P+ continuous like 50D.

So all this chasing of crop mode yet the camera seems to record a LARGE chunk of 1728x1152 with maybe some moire in non crop. Normal LV with 24fps.

That is great news! :D

I thought 50D can only go 1.5k or so...

The crop mode looks very good though. I wonder if it can just be automated without having to go to zoom first.

Btw, does anyone know how to batch convert the MLVs on a windows machine? Drag and dropping a bunch of files to mlv2dng only convert one file. :(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szymszymon on September 11, 2013, 02:35:53 PM
when will be available stable version raw rec..? alpha 3 or somthing that..sory for my ang..:)
Title: Firmware install mode?
Post by: humbs on September 11, 2013, 03:14:38 PM
Can i ask 1 thing?
When the 7d RAW will be available in firmware mode, as an easy way to install? ::)
I can't get it to work (macbook pro).

thank you.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 11, 2013, 03:31:27 PM
I know that 7D is 1729x972 RAW. this is a sub hd output and I do not know if it useful for professional use.
but RAW have better detail than h264.do you believe that 1729x972 RAW upscaled to 1920 is better than a native 1920x(X valor) in h264 native? or the image is less sharper, blurred?
 
thx for help.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 03:57:22 PM
Its available in firmware mode already, if you feel like it you don't have to run the bin/bootflag it.

Why 1792x9 something... you can go all the way to 1792X11xx... that’s larger than HDV.

I'll post the new raw_rec/mlv_rec soon, that crash was annoying.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kirklasalle on September 11, 2013, 04:53:28 PM

I've been trying to cheat the bandwidth by recording at 720p60 mode but shooting at 1728 and stretching the pic 1.4x in post...

Has anyone been getting black bars such as these to the right when shooting at 2.5k? http://i.imgur.com/KvXBGoX.jpg



Same here... using a 32gb 400x card (works great so far even at about 36mb/s on card ) No bar on the side but, I did notice a small slice of a black bar at the bottom when scaling from 720 to to 1080 to see some quality difference...  Just at 1x too and I upscaled at about 18%, got rid of it at 20%
(sorry no pics, but the black bar was slim and was only on the bottom)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: watsonjohnwatson on September 11, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Quick Question.
My girlfriend is doing an outdoor static trapeze performance on friday and i would love to use raw to record it, the "professional" videographer used a old camera that did it 480i for her last performance and i was pretty pissed.

Its going to be about 4 and half minutes long. I have a 16gb sandisk Extreme card (not extreme pro). Even recording in 720p24 would be fine if 1080p24 would be a problem. Is any of this feasible at this point. Thanks for the noob help.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on September 11, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
I know that 7D is 1729x972 RAW. this is a sub hd output and I do not know if it useful for professional use.
but RAW have better detail than h264.do you believe that 1729x972 RAW upscaled to 1920 is better than a native 1920x(X valor) in h264 native? or the image is less sharper, blurred?
 
thx for help.

The 7D can already record at higher resolutions than that but if the question is about upscalling in general then yes even back when we were locked to 600 vertical res it was still a much cleaner less blurry and artifact free image when upscalling to 1080p compared to h264 compression, I would not go back to using h264 professionally after raw.

Most profesionals in the film industry wont touch a camera that doesnt support raw, the whole point of getting a camera with raw support is for professionals who need a lossless image to work with.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on September 11, 2013, 06:22:42 PM
Quick Question.
My girlfriend is doing an outdoor static trapeze performance on friday and i would love to use raw to record it, the "professional" videographer used a old camera that did it 480i for her last performance and i was pretty pissed.

Its going to be about 4 and half minutes long. I have a 16gb sandisk Extreme card (not extreme pro). Even recording in 720p24 would be fine if 1080p24 would be a problem. Is any of this feasible at this point. Thanks for the noob help.

You should be able to get over 6 minutes of 720p on a 16gb, 1080p is not yet possible.
Be aware that this is still very much in alpha so it might not be the best idea to take footage of an event that can't be repeated as there always a chance something will fail with the build, I would recommend you try the latest build out and get used to it and decide for yourself if its stable enough for what you want to record, finding out on the day would suck.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: watsonjohnwatson on September 11, 2013, 06:42:53 PM
You should be able to get over 6 minutes of 720p on a 16gb, 1080p is not yet possible.
Be aware that this is still very much in alpha so it might not be the best idea to take footage of an event that can't be repeated as there always a chance something will fail with the build, I would recommend you try the latest build out and get used to it and decide for yourself if its stable enough for what you want to record, finding out on the day would suck.

Thats mostly what i gathered from reading the past thread. 1080p24h.264 is still going to blow the old 480i footage away. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
Ok, here is a less buggy raw_rec

raw_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!BsRFyDAY!bkSIWEiKSMjPonsGu4TF4w-E0Rxf9s_79UFiO5ROdUU

mlv_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!c8o3AD4T!PPesPnZ2hGy_BTg9xIital2sA9QfbOLk9XEYgrYyfts

The 1038 isn't 100% continuous but does a good bunch of minutes... the 1152 isn't bad either. I'd rather be recording that for anything narrative, its so close to 1080P or even slightly bigger in terms of height... I don't see why you would be using 972 unless you have a 128/256 card and really need it to go for that 1/2 hour - 15 minutes. The H264 "1080P" is a manipulation of these sizes anyway... unless you're really against scaling at all.

On 50D the horizontal is 1584 and the vertical stops at 1058... a slightly larger upscale and an older sensor... so I can see zoom mode being better there. On 7D the zoom is mainly useful for 2K.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 11, 2013, 07:12:17 PM
Ok, here is a less buggy raw_rec

raw_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!BsRFyDAY!bkSIWEiKSMjPonsGu4TF4w-E0Rxf9s_79UFiO5ROdUU

mlv_rec.mo
https://mega.co.nz/#!c8o3AD4T!PPesPnZ2hGy_BTg9xIital2sA9QfbOLk9XEYgrYyfts

Thank you! \o/

Bonus dropbox link of the same thing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jnale7hy4o4fb9e/1%25%20raw_rec%202013-09-12.zip
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 11, 2013, 07:40:08 PM
On 7D the zoom is mainly useful for 2K.

I thought a lot of it had to do with avoiding moire/aliasing due to line skipping in the non-zoomed?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 11, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
hi guys! sorry but I don't know to much about, can somebody explain to me about "FPS OVERRIDE" ? what is the use of it and how to use it correctly? thanks!!!..

2. How have I to setting my camera to obtein hight quality or best quality recording raw?    About The quality in shoots may I do it in JPG-S and S-RAW? Thanks for the help!!!  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 08:47:56 PM
Quote
I thought a lot of it had to do with avoiding moire/aliasing due to line skipping in the non-zoomed?

Yea, but on 7D how much moire do you really get... 6D you point at anything and pretty much get moire (obvious), 7D I've yet to see it. Seems many people are just avoiding it based on the hive-mind nonzoom == moire. Any examples?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 11, 2013, 08:51:14 PM
hi guys! sorry but I don't know to much about, can somebody explain to me about "FPS OVERRIDE" ? what is the use of it and how to use it correctly? thanks!!!..

2. How have I to setting my camera to obtein hight quality or best quality recording raw?    About The quality in shoots may I do it in JPG-S and S-RAW? Thanks for the help!!!  :D

I am new too but I think FPS override means just that.. you override the fps that was set by Cannon... let's say you want to record a video at 10fps, without ML and without FPS override, you can't.... or if you want to do time lapse but I'm not sure if that's the main purpose :) another thing I read was that in crop (zoom) mode without fps override, you'd always get 30fps...

I read that you should set the camera to JPG-S for speedy write to the card?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 11, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
There are two jpg-s modes, the fine-s (the icon that looks like a mountain) and the regular-s (looks like stairs)... wich one should i select?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 11, 2013, 09:05:11 PM
Any of the jpeg modes free the same amount of memory... any of the raw qualities write the same... look at memory info in the debug menu.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: codypowers on September 11, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci.  The 5d stuff looked flawless.  As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.

The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines.  Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.

That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264.  The work being done here is incredible.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 11, 2013, 09:13:52 PM
@1% got it! thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JOSHardson on September 11, 2013, 09:29:06 PM
Yea, but on 7D how much moire do you really get... 6D you point at anything and pretty much get moire (obvious), 7D I've yet to see it. Seems many people are just avoiding it based on the hive-mind nonzoom == moire. Any examples?

I have witnessed pretty bad aliasing in my 1x footage. Haven't tested on patterns specifically.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 11, 2013, 09:43:12 PM
7D it's full of moire in 1x =((    ...need VAF
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 11, 2013, 09:46:34 PM
Thanx

another question

when shot with the option  RAW = 30sec recording at 1280x720 at 30fps
when shot with the option JPG-L = 60sec recording at 1280x720 at 60fps

my question is, raw video quality depends if shot in RAW or JPG-L??
 :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 11, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
No. Just size of buffer.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on September 11, 2013, 10:02:24 PM
It doesn't seem like there is motion blur but a lot of rolling shutter...

Actually I am saying that I think there is no motion blur at all . . . . and that is the bad thing .. because video looks jittery.
I think with H264, if you record fast moving subject or fast moving camera with 1/50 shutter speed (for 25fps) you can see really nice motion blur,
but with the same settings in RAW there is no motion blur at all...

Will test this as soon as I can and will post the results....
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 11, 2013, 10:10:45 PM
Actually I am saying that I think there is no motion blur at all . . . . and that is the bad thing .. because video looks jittery.
I think with H264, if you record fast moving subject or fast moving camera with 1/50 shutter speed (for 25fps) you can see really nice motion blur,
but with the same settings in RAW there is no motion blur at all...

Will test this as soon as I can and will post the results....
are you shooting in crop mode or 1x?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rewind on September 11, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
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there is no motion blur at all
Wow, you broke the laws of physics ))
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 11, 2013, 10:23:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I no longer have to do a firmware update every time to get the FPS override to be available, right? When I shut down the camera and turn it back on, I still see the FPS override. I haven't tested to see if it works, but the fact that it's still there seems to imply that I don't need to do a firmware update every time. Can someone confirm this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 11, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
Yea, but on 7D how much moire do you really get... 6D you point at anything and pretty much get moire (obvious), 7D I've yet to see it. Seems many people are just avoiding it based on the hive-mind nonzoom == moire. Any examples?

I'm still waiting for my CF card/reader... hopefully it'll arrive tomorrow! Takes forever to ship overseas :\

So I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but I saw it fairly often in regular h.264. Enough that I learned my lesson to pay more attention to wardrobe and insist on no thin lines.

If consistent 24fps in crop mode is a realistic goal, and it solves this problem definitively, I think it's worthwhile to focus energy on it, but whatever you enjoy working on should take priority imho :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 11, 2013, 10:27:57 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I no longer have to do a firmware update every time to get the FPS override to be available, right? When I shut down the camera and turn it back on, I still see the FPS override. I haven't tested to see if it works, but the fact that it's still there seems to imply that I don't need to do a firmware update every time. Can someone confirm this?


That's what I thought too... but the fact that the option Video Hacks aren't available and when changing to lower frame rate, you won't see any different, it means it wasn't loaded and won't work correctly... (thanks to 1% to point these out to me)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on September 11, 2013, 11:01:21 PM
@ted ramasola

I noticed that both in 1x and crop mode . . . will definitely do some serious testing to see if I am tripping . . .

@Rewind

Ok . . . much less noticeable motion blur ;-) but you all got my point ;-)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: gajorro on September 12, 2013, 12:17:03 AM
This new raw_rec module is more buggy in terms of stability on my camera than previous. Often, when the buffer fills and recording stops camera is restarting, and everytime (three tests;)) there is error log for that:

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ASSERT: 0
at Memory\Memory.c:578, task RscMgr
lv:0 mode:3
Magic Lantern version : v2.3.NEXT.2013Sep10.7D203
Mercurial changeset   : 6ee6bdc1b66f (unified) tip
Built on 2013-09-10 19:14:01 UTC by user@D610.
Free Memory  : 358K + 2469K

What is good - after few tests there are no pink frames (despite my slow 400x lexar card) as they appeared in previous versions:)

When i push blacks up in ACR vertical stripes appear in shadow areas. I know it's because of canon sensor (changing settings in canon image menu has no effect) and one of the solutions for that is dual iso but AFAIK it doesn't work with video in 7d. I read (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5614.msg42678#msg42678) that there are some corections for that in raw2dng.exe also, i recompiled the code with no correction and there is no difference between corrected and uncorrected image... So maybe corrections are tailored to 5dMk3 dng's?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftomekgajewski.pl%2Fpliki%2Fstripes.jpg&hash=5966999f25486120f223574ea676b694)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 12:28:27 AM
Thats a memory crash. The stripes suck... they are on digic V too... ADTG shutters help but I think they are on the master on 7D.

Any idea on how I can make it crash? Its stopping just fine for me.. only thing I notice is memory corruption when the card fills.. it beeps and gives a warning.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: gajorro on September 12, 2013, 12:55:53 AM
Thats a memory crash. The stripes suck... they are on digic V too... ADTG shutters help but I think they are on the master on 7D.

Yep, I saw it on my friend 5dmk3 footage also...

Any idea on how I can make it crash? Its stopping just fine for me.. only thing I notice is memory corruption when the card fills.. it beeps and gives a warning.

I was trying to reproduce it but I couldn't:( Sometimes it just beeps, but everytime recording stops and buffer empty, screen goes black for a while. With some older versions it didn't happen... But as I mentioned, there are no (or less?) pink frames:) So thank you for amazing work!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 01:09:46 AM
Its supposed to suspend/resume the LV but not crash... btw I took off compiler optimization completely now so maybe the bins being smaller will help avoid any memory issues here and elsewhere... but it does seem like we should have plenty.. there is 8MB free space running where its running.

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I saw it fairly often in regular h.264.
That has 1 more resize so maybe slightly less in raw.

So whoever shot the 5DIII/7D together, any examples of the problem footage you can post, even just stills.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 01:31:09 AM
hello, I'm seriously going in the 7D direction (my indecision is between buying 7D or 600D) but I wish to ask you first one last question please if it's possible. it's about moire and aliasing during RAW shooting on 7D (without cropping) are aliasing and moire the same that we can see with h.264 or are them worst? more ugly?

for aliasing I mean those two effects:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcrewofone.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2F5daliasing1.jpg&hash=ca7258c4e0ca5155b3fd31008c0d8fed)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FpA7uy.png&hash=29b1b45849395bbb9839885581a1fb11)
 
and is that true that shooting with 5x zoom eliminate aliasing and moire for 7D RAW?

do you believe that future implementation of the firmware could further improve the situation?

thanks.

p.s. how many gb heavy is 10 minutes videos in raw?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 12, 2013, 01:48:18 AM
So whoever shot the 5DIII/7D together, any examples of the problem footage you can post, even just stills.
I own both, what kind of test do you want me to run?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 01:59:41 AM
Examples of this:

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The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines.

Because debayer problems do this... I saw the same on 6D + cineform...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sephiroth on September 12, 2013, 02:36:14 AM
hello, I'm seriously going in the 7D direction (my indecision is between buying 7D or 600D) but I wish to ask you first one last question please if it's possible. it's about moire and aliasing during RAW shooting on 7D (without cropping) are aliasing and moire the same that we can see with h.264 or are them worst? more ugly?

for aliasing I mean those two effects:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcrewofone.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2F5daliasing1.jpg&hash=ca7258c4e0ca5155b3fd31008c0d8fed)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FpA7uy.png&hash=29b1b45849395bbb9839885581a1fb11)
 
and is that true that shooting with 5x zoom eliminate aliasing and moire for 7D RAW?

do you believe that future implementation of the firmware could further improve the situation?

thanks.

p.s. how many gb heavy is 10 minutes videos in raw?

Moire is an effect of the sensor, compression doesnt change that. You can decide which is uglier, RAW moire or moire with h.264 compression.
There are optical filters that are placed in the camera house to solve this, they cost a few hundred bucks. Moire will not go away with firmware updates.

Btw, most of your other questions are already on the forum, no need to ask them here.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 02:47:00 AM
Moire is an effect of the sensor, compression doesnt change that. You can decide which is uglier, RAW moire or moire with h.264 compression.
There are optical filters that are placed in the camera house to solve this, they cost a few hundred bucks. Moire will not go away with firmware updates.

Btw, most of your other questions are already on the forum, no need to ask them here.
thanks I have already found the other info on the forum.

about moire I have not understand why I can decide wich is uglier between RAW and h.264, shouldn't it be objective?
about VAF filter have it been already tested when shooting RAW? does it works for sure with this? I mean I know that in h.264 it works in 1920x1080 but it does not work in 1280x720 if I'm not wrong. RAW shooting is not 1920x1080 so I wonder to know if it has already been tested by someone.

thanks for help
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on September 12, 2013, 03:30:18 AM
I have definitely seen Alias issues in 1x mode when recording things like fences, brick walls, dense shrubbery and certain types of clothing, color banding/moire ect not so much.
I have pretty much stuck to 5x recording because these issues are literally non existent when using it.
I don't have a VAF filter so I could not tell you if it works.

I find that the aliasing is worse in raw but you don't really see color banding like the image you posted above, I'm guessing to colors have a lot to do with the h.264 compression.

When scaling your footage to 1080p the aliasing is decreased but still apparent.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
I have definitely seen Alias issues in 1x mode when recording things like fences, brick walls, dense shrubbery and certain types of clothing, color banding/moire ect not so much.
I have pretty much stuck to 5x recording because these issues are literally non existent when using it.
I don't have a VAF filter so I could not tell you if it works.

I find that the aliasing is worse in raw but you don't really see color banding like the image you posted above, I'm guessing to colors have a lot to do with the h.264 compression.

When scaling your footage to 1080p the aliasing is decreased but still apparent.

thx for help. About moire I watched this video that is one on the best 7D RAW footage on Vimeo.
here is the "uncompressed" video.
download?t=1378950794&v=181231606&s=a8e87c16dcbca691562381a603b3000c

After watching it I believe that maybe RAW on 7D is not usable for professional use. tell me what do you think please.
moire is very present and ugly. look on the statue. and is anywhere but heavy ad I never seen before in any other video in my life.

aliasing seems there as usual maybe looks worse because of the high contrast. you can notice it very well on the carriage take (for one second then it cut to another take).

the moire is a very big problem I see. is possible to correct it in post processing? Please help me to understand I want not to criticize I just want to understand. I just try to argument my fears.

Thx
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ericjolley on September 12, 2013, 05:15:59 AM
I haven't encountered any moire in 7d raw with my mosaic filter installed.  And I shot a local commercial on it so I think professionals can definitely make use of it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 05:45:54 AM
That video looks great but it was shot in burst mode...that was one of the first video we saw about raw on 7D... maybe there was something different in that mode? I'm only guessing :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 06:02:54 AM
My card became full after a bunch of shooting a bunch of MLV raw video and I wanted to delete a couple files in the File Manager to make some space. I deleted a couple files but it still told me the card was full. I went into the File Manager and the files that I had deleted weren't in there anymore so I was confused. I took the card out and checked it on my computer but those files were still on the card. It seems that the delete function in the File Manager isn't working properly. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 06:45:44 AM
I just tested with both RAW and MLV and I was able to delete from the File Manager in ML... though it was only 2-3 files...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 07:17:08 AM
It doesn't update the file catalog until you reboot.. don't remember if it lets you start shooting anyway.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 07:43:03 AM
I just tested with both RAW and MLV and I was able to delete from the File Manager in ML... though it was only 2-3 files...

And did you pull the card out and verify in your computer that the files were actually deleted?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 07:44:00 AM
It doesn't update the file catalog until you reboot.. don't remember if it lets you start shooting anyway.

It was updated in the File Manager, but it still said the card was full. When I put the card in my computer, the files were still on the card.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 09:21:39 AM
That video looks great but it was shot in burst mode...that was one of the first video we saw about raw on 7D... maybe there was something different in that mode? I'm only guessing :)
thx, what I have to watch to see how does RAW really works today? what is burst mode and which is the common method?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 09:31:17 AM
I haven't encountered any moire in 7d raw with my mosaic filter installed.  And I shot a local commercial on it so I think professionals can definitely make use of it.

are you sure it's the mosaic filter that give the boost? maybe it could be the same with or without?

can you show me some footage please? that would be definitely what could make me buy the 7D. :)

thx
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: DragonFlame on September 12, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
If your willing to record in 5x mode then you will never see moire or alias issues, I'm considering getting a filter soon to test the performance with 1x mode but I'm almost certain that it will just decrease but not completely remove it in 1x mode.

As for professional use I would ask what camera alternative at the same price range would you consider?
I don't know of any I would like to buy that can do what the cannon cameras can atm and not break an average consumers wallet, if you can afford a 5d3 then yes it will be a better option but its also a lot more expensive for what I consider minor improvements, I would only recommend people spend the extra if you have cash to throw around, the black magic is another but I personally hated the camera design even tho the image is reasonable.

Am I planning to use the 7D professionally? Yes indeed I will be, have I yet? No not yet due to some limitations that are mostly just due to the fact the firmware is in alpha and needs some love which I'm happy it has been getting a lot in the last month.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Brawl on September 12, 2013, 10:34:49 AM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci.  The 5d stuff looked flawless.  As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.

The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines.  Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.

That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264.  The work being done here is incredible.
Sorry I have not understand (because English is not my native language), are you saying that you have not tried yet  the 7D with VAF filters right?

This filter is my last hope. I cannot shoot in 5x because of space limitations. 


If your willing to record in 5x mode then you will never see moire or alias issues, I'm considering getting a filter soon to test the performance with 1x mode but I'm almost certain that it will just decrease but not completely remove it in 1x mode.

As for professional use I would ask what camera alternative at the same price range would you consider?
I don't know of any I would like to buy that can do what the cannon cameras can atm and not break an average consumers wallet, if you can afford a 5d3 then yes it will be a better option but its also a lot more expensive for what I consider minor improvements, I would only recommend people spend the extra if you have cash to throw around, the black magic is another but I personally hated the camera design even tho the image is reasonable.

Am I planning to use the 7D professionally? Yes indeed I will be, have I yet? No not yet due to some limitations that are mostly just due to the fact the firmware is in alpha and needs some love which I'm happy it has been getting a lot in the last month.

I agree with you on the price factor but I need to wash that moire and aliasing (seen in that video) off if I want to work with this. I'm going to spend 700 euros, I never have spend so much money before to be honest. I need to know if with 200+ euros for a VAF filter then I can work with this camera. It's almost 1000 euros in total.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kh3naz on September 12, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
is there a way to delete the RAW files from within the camera or at least cancel/delete the current recording ? This would be really useful
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 12, 2013, 11:41:59 AM
is there a way to delete the RAW files from within the camera or at least cancel/delete the current recording ? This would be really useful

yes you can delete using the file manager
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: hbr on September 12, 2013, 12:07:57 PM
Ok so I was half right/half wrong about the motion blur....
So, there is noticeable motion blur while recording in raw, but after a few tests I figured that the motion blur while recording RAW is indeed a bit smaller than on H264, with the exact same settings.
Maybe I am so used to watching H264 and now RAW looks odd to me... Anyway here is a quick test on this:

http://s11.postimg.org/qthvd9vxv/Untitled_1.jpg (http://s11.postimg.org/qthvd9vxv/Untitled_1.jpg)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: rpedro on September 12, 2013, 12:09:56 PM
finally read the 40 pages and am up to date. Great work all seriously good stuff.

just a quick question: - since the last update (britom's build using 0x05) when I try to record normal video the controls freeze and I cannot stop record. Need actually to remove the battery. Any solution on that one?

                                 - how do you do the 3x crop?

thanks guys,

Pedro
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 03:23:20 PM
There was a bug like that with audio till I fixed it.

It won't stop saying card full because the catalog (separate from the file system) doesn't update till you reboot.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jim Jarmusch on September 12, 2013, 03:29:54 PM
I'm not sure why but with 1% build I can't shoot continuos with with 2.20 aspect ratio 17some 7some, which I could before with my sandisk 8gb 60mb.
Now i can shoot continuously with 2.67 aspect ratio an not thicker. Any idea?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rai2121 on September 12, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
are you sure it's the mosaic filter that give the boost? maybe it could be the same with or without?

can you show me some footage please? that would be definitely what could make me buy the 7D. :)

thx

Brawl, Here is a video I did with the Mosaic Filter installed. All the images looked pretty clean to me. Hope this helps.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
And did you pull the card out and verify in your computer that the files were actually deleted?

I just did a test by recording 3 files and then deleted it via the File Manager in ML, then took the card out and verified in my PC that those files are gone.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
I just did a test by recording 3 files and then deleted it via the File Manager in ML, then took the card out and verified in my PC that those files are gone.

Alrighty then. It must be me. Maybe... I don't know but I'm sure I must have done something wrong.  :-[
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
Alrighty then. It must be me. Maybe... I don't know but I'm sure I must have done something wrong.  :-[

maybe a different version of File Manager module?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
maybe a different version of File Manager module?

It was from the most recent posted build.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 06:09:44 PM
I'm curious as to the naming convention of RAW files. I was shooting for a few hours yesterday (only MLV raw video, no stills or h.264) and when I came back to check my files, there were interesting gaps in the numbers. My files would look something like this:

M11-1618.MLV
M11-1619.MLV
M11-1620.MLV
M11-1622.MLV
M11-1623.MLV
M11-1624.MLV
M11-1642.MLV
M11-1643.MLV

As you can see there are some interesting gaps in the numbering. I didn't delete these files. The file numbers just skip from 1620 t0 1622 (there's no 1621). Or from 1624 to 1642. There's a whole bunch of missing numbers in there. As I said, I didn't delete any files. I may have shut my camera off in between shots (and reload the firmware when it booted back up to get the FPS override), but that's about it. Is that weird? I would think it should be perfectly sequential.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 12, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
I'm curious as to the naming convention of RAW files.
The naming is related with the time of recording, it is not a sequential number.  i.e. 1618 = 4:18 pm
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rabbity Jack on September 12, 2013, 06:37:53 PM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci.  The 5d stuff looked flawless.  As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.

The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines.  Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.

That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264.  The work being done here is incredible.

Did you use a LUT when you were processing in Resolve? I have found the exact same ugly fringeing when using "Hunter's LUT" with my 7D raw footage. If I turn the LUT off and then process manually it seems to go away. Also, if I process through AE it is even cleaner (but this is the slowest possible way to work). I wonder, if this is a debayering issue, why 5Diii footage would look ok and if there is a way to change it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: rpedro on September 12, 2013, 06:39:05 PM
question image quality wise is there a difference between raw and mlv?

Also do you still have sometimes a pink frame in mlv?

Which is more stable?

Just wondering.

Also:

just a quick question: - since the last update (britom's build using 0x05) when I try to record normal video the controls freeze and I cannot stop record. Need actually to remove the battery. Any solution on that one?

                                 - how do you do the 3x crop


thanks guys!

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 06:47:16 PM
MLV = slower with meta data
RAW = faster, no meta data

Other than that pretty much identical.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: rpedro on September 12, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
thank you glorious 1%
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: rpedro on September 12, 2013, 07:05:31 PM
any idea about my crash? Is that normal?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 12, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
The naming is related with the time of recording, it is not a sequential number.  i.e. 1618 = 4:18 pm


Ahhhh, that makes sense. Thank you very much. It would be nice to have the option to choose how the shots get numbered. Sequential numbering makes much more sense if you're trying to keep track of your shots.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 07:17:22 PM
For the crash upgrade to a newer build... sound recording was freezing H264 till I fixed it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 07:26:29 PM
For the crash upgrade to a newer build... sound recording was freezing H264 till I fixed it.

So I disabled Raw Video and recorded H264, but as soon as I hit Record, it displays on screen Audio disabled... how do I enable it?

Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tonybeccar on September 12, 2013, 08:07:12 PM
First of all HUGE THANK YOU to 1% for continuing the development!! I have one doubt.. you said earlier that headphone monitoring was *quite* working?? I didn't understand completely.. I don't have all the adapters for the canon cable.. but as soon as I connect the usb into the camera the screen goes black.. is it possible or still no?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Ok, this should fix motion detection.. uses edmac 05 like britcom. Wav menus are in audio like they should be.

https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DEDM05MotDetectFix.zip

As to headphone, yea it works but I have to figure out how to unblack the screen since its on the master... and its double hard because I want it to work in non fir mode. The only adapter you need is the one that came with the camera + an RCA to female headphone jack converter.... I guess you could feed it to anything though.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
Ok, this should fix motion detection.. uses edmac 05 like britcom. Wav menus are in audio like they should be.

https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DEDM05MotDetectFix.zip

As to headphone, yea it works but I have to figure out how to unblack the screen since its on the master... and its double hard because I want it to work in non fir mode. The only adapter you need is the one that came with the camera + an RCA to female headphone jack converter.... I guess you could feed it to anything though.

Awesome... I see the Audio menu to record separate wav file now... will test it!

EDIT: test result (Thanks 1%)
1. Disabled Raw: record H264, it splits out a WAV file and a MOV file (I have option of "separate" wav file set)
2. Enabled Raw: record raw, it also splits out a Wav file but no audio recorded.

The WAV file from #1 has some pops mixed in with the audio... so weird... not sure what caused it... I tried to remove it but couldn't..."click removal filter" in Audition doesn't help any.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 12, 2013, 09:02:40 PM
when i try to load fir on your new release i got this erro mesage  and camera freeze.
Update file cannot be found.PLease check the memory card and reload the battery and try again.
I have to remove the battery.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 12, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
If i replace the fir with the fir from first realase,then after the upfate i'ts finised the screen goes black end camera refuse to responde.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 09:22:12 PM
Re download... it was signed as 5DII... I'll check for pops, maybe its a bug.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 12, 2013, 09:29:56 PM
no change ,same update error.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 12, 2013, 09:38:25 PM
updated with latest build. Successful. havent tested audio yet.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 09:46:12 PM
I am finding the popping (sounds like a tazer).. to get rid of it you can record a blank track and invert but I have to see wtf its going on.

Make sure you take the sym file/fir/bin from the newest.. you may be getting a cached copy.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 12, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
edmac 05 seems better as i havent seen any pink frames in my slow transcend... can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 12, 2013, 10:04:36 PM
I use to delete evrithing from the card befor i put new version on it
sym file its 36,2 KB date 12/09/2013 13:13
autoexec fir its 415 KB date 12/09/2013 13:15
autoexec bin its 407 KB  date 12/09/2013 13:13
This ones i have on my card end stil not update.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
Ok, well I fixed the popping.. it was configuring audio too often. I'll just rename it and upload.

https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DPopStop.zip

I should probably do some checks to make sure it only configures like this after coming out of play mode, but it works OK. See if edmac memcpy wav plays nice with recording really high bitrate video or if it holds it up. Theoretically it will be done copying wav data faster.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Bjlemenager on September 12, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Did you use a LUT when you were processing in Resolve? I have found the exact same ugly fringeing when using "Hunter's LUT" with my 7D raw footage. If I turn the LUT off and then process manually it seems to go away. Also, if I process through AE it is even cleaner (but this is the slowest possible way to work). I wonder, if this is a debayering issue, why 5Diii footage would look ok and if there is a way to change it.

I wonder if it's due to the 14bit depth that the 7D footage has. As far as I know, Resolve only handles up to 12? Correct me if I'm wrong. I was having the same issues until I processed the footage through ACR in AE. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to go from 14 to 12 though. Maybe after you flatten your footage out, you can compress to a 10bit codec for working on your color grade.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Bjlemenager on September 12, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
I just shot an event video on a 5d Mkiii and a 7d, both shooting raw, all footage processed in Da Vinci.  The 5d stuff looked flawless.  As sharp as the C100, but with better color, and no compression issues.

The 7d stuff on the other hand, had purple fringes on all the highlights, and totally unusable aliasing and moire on most horizontal lines.  Short of a VAF filter or a stable implementation of the crop, I don't think I'd try to shoot this way again.

That being said, I still do prefer the look of the raw images to the h.264.  The work being done here is incredible.

Posted this accidentally on another post, meant to go here:
I wonder if it's due to the 14bit depth that the 7D footage has. As far as I know, Resolve only handles up to 12? Correct me if I'm wrong. I was having the same issues until I processed the footage through ACR in AE. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to go from 14 to 12 though. Maybe after you flatten your footage out, you can compress to a 10bit codec for working on your color grade.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 12, 2013, 10:25:21 PM
Ok, well I fixed the popping.. it was configuring audio too often. I'll just rename it and upload.

so it can be downloaded from the same link (above) ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 12, 2013, 10:44:33 PM
so it can be downloaded from the same link (above) ?

Ok, well I fixed the popping.. it was configuring audio too often. I'll just rename it and upload.

https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DPopStop.zip

I should probably do some checks to make sure it only configures like this after coming out of play mode, but it works OK. See if edmac memcpy wav plays nice with recording really high bitrate video or if it holds it up. Theoretically it will be done copying wav data faster.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 10:46:19 PM
Quote
I wonder if it's due to the 14bit depth that the 7D footage has.

You can try raw2cdng, its in another thread.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 12, 2013, 10:57:44 PM
@1% After switching to "Separate wav" is it possible to auto-reenable audio recording when selecting "Normal" again?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 11:04:15 PM
Heh, that would make sense. Should figure that out.

Like Normal/Wav/Off
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 12, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
Ok, firmware update it's working now with the latest popstop release.
Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 12, 2013, 11:45:08 PM
Ok....so I'm using the ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4 build right now. Can someone please tell me the changes in this new build please? From what I understand the additions are.....
1. fps over ride for 5x ie record at 23fps instead of thirty
2. the ability to record audio ???
are there any other changes to note...CHEERS !!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 12, 2013, 11:49:06 PM
Shortcuts (ie ISO/Volumes)
Display Filters
Force LV works
Audio Controls *(just missing screen on)
reslock/edmac 05 (so no pink frames, I've yet to see any)
Dialog Timers hack (77-81MB/s) also the "dead" 10x seems to help without fps override

That's all off the top of my head...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 12, 2013, 11:51:02 PM
Shortcuts (ie ISO/Volumes)
Display Filters
Force LV works
Audio Controls *(just missing screen on)
reslock/edmac 05 (so no pink frames, I've yet to see any)
Dialog Timers hack (77-81MB/s) also the "dead" 10x seems to help without fps override

That's all off the top of my head...
'
Thank you.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 12, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
Is this the latest build with everything on it ??  https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/downloads/%5B7D%5DPopStop.zip
Can this be dragged onto the card to replace files or do I need to clear the card and start new?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 13, 2013, 12:02:46 AM
You only need autoexec bin, fir and the modules.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 13, 2013, 12:05:14 AM
You only need autoexec bin, fir and the modules.
THANKS again !!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 13, 2013, 12:05:59 AM
until now no pink frames
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 13, 2013, 12:11:36 AM
MLV = slower with meta data
RAW = faster, no meta data

Other than that pretty much identical.

Wait, is this how it's supposed to be? I always find that the raw_rec records much slower than mlv_rec. On my 60MB/s sandisk, the raw_rec records at 41MB/s while mlv_rec at 50MB/s.

Did I inadvertently switched something up?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 13, 2013, 12:48:57 AM
Out of curiosity, what is the possibility of setting DIGIC ISO gain on the 7D?


Is it just something that no one has looked at or is it one of those things that is hard on the 7D?

EDIT: Maybe the wrong thread for this.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 13, 2013, 02:02:23 AM
Quote
until now no pink frames


You got one?

Best speeds (eg 80s) are:
D Timers disabled before LV
Hacked No preview + dead 10x
GD off (in module) + small hacks
No FPS override

2nd or 3rd record should jump up to 81 or so if your card can put out.

Quote
Out of curiosity, what is the possibility of setting DIGIC ISO gain on the 7D?

Eventually... its on the master. HDR video is there too... but I can't just memory browser around the master nor is it easy to send commands there.

7D == 5DII == 50D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 13, 2013, 02:16:47 AM
HI  Friends
My question today is..., how do I record audio and video??
thanks for your reply!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 13, 2013, 02:20:35 AM
for now you have to use an external recorder and sync using the beep.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 13, 2013, 02:24:43 AM
thanks @ Ted Ramasola
I thought that with the new build of 1% could do this.
English is not my language and sometimes I do not understand
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 13, 2013, 02:26:51 AM
the new audio features is "mostly" intended for h264 recording AND monitoring.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 13, 2013, 02:28:17 AM
You got one?

With this last version no but before yes.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 13, 2013, 02:52:33 AM
With this last version no but before yes.

Well, maybe but sort of impossible, but probably doable.

TL;DR - All I know is that my gut says maybe.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 13, 2013, 03:44:12 AM
@1%

Report on sep12 build.

Benchmarks in playback mode.
Same, compared to aug30 by britom. No noticable increase via benchmarks.

did 9 short clip takes.
4 clips in crop mode 1920 x 1080
5 clips in 1x mode 1728 x 1036

3X
clip 1= corrupt frame # 2
clip 2= corrupt frame # 2
clip 3= corrupt frame # 3, 12
clip 4= corrupt frame # 7
1X
clip 5= corrupt frame # 3, 7
clip 6= corrupt frame # 5, 7
clip 7= corrupt frame # 9
clip 8= corrupt frame # 7, (and somewhere halfway)
clip 9= corrupt frame # 13

Perhaps by reporting the patterns where they come out will help you in troubleshooting.

The test clips where done soon after the benchmark test, so the CF card would have been warmed up already.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 04:39:50 AM
I also ran some test on 7D+Lexar 1000X.  Used Sep 12th build.

Speed:
I had been keeping track of recording speed and this build is the fastest with speeds as good as Alex build for 7D.  I also tested the mlv_rec and was slightly slower.
Regarding speed the strange thing is that I got a bit faster speeds at cropped mode.
Highest recording speed at 1728x972 at 29.97 and cropped was 77.2 MB/s

Pink Frames:
Only got pink frames at 60 and 48 fps video.

Video Quality at ISO 400-800:
Raw DNG has lots of hot pixels (red) and other colors too.
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
When compared to 5D3 videos I could notice a little more noise but comparable sharpness and color.

7D frame out of ACR 8.2:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2Fna87dsyb1%2F7_D_frame.jpg&hash=7f9bbc96f3a12df1e2b97d8c86910cce)

5D3 frame out of ACR 8.2:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2Fm97yoohbh%2F5_D3_frame.jpg&hash=c4e5f8d5de5d6b3828118a7a2da03c49)


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 13, 2013, 04:52:19 AM
I really wish that, one day, somebody will, accidentally maybe, find a way to change that LV's line skipping from taking out 2 lines out of 3 lines to taking out 1 line out of 2 lines, then we can have more resolutions.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 13, 2013, 05:11:11 AM
Thanks 1%. The pop from the sounds has gone. This might be small and not crucial as the data still intact but whenever I import the WAV file into Audition, it gives me a warning saying the META DATA found but is corrupted and cannot be read. It's just annoying, but maybe you were aware of this :)

Thanks again for all your hard work!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 13, 2013, 05:18:59 AM
The way its set up right now is it throws the wav header into the front of the file so length/etc are all wrong. Thats why they show 6 minutes and do funky things like that.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rabbity Jack on September 13, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
I also ran some test on 7D+Lexar 1000X.  Used Sep 12th build.

Speed:
I had been keeping track of recording speed and this build is the fastest with speeds as good as Alex build for 7D.  I also tested the mlv_rec and was slightly slower.
Regarding speed the strange thing is that I got a bit faster speeds at cropped mode.
Highest recording speed at 1728x972 at 29.97 and cropped was 77.2 MB/s

Pink Frames:
Only got pink frames at 60 and 48 fps video.

Video Quality at ISO 400-800:
Raw DNG has lots of hot pixels (red) and other colors too.
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
When compared to 5D3 videos I could notice a little more noise but comparable sharpness and color.

7D frame out of ACR 8.2:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2Fna87dsyb1%2F7_D_frame.jpg&hash=7f9bbc96f3a12df1e2b97d8c86910cce)

5D3 frame out of ACR 8.2:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs20.postimg.org%2Fm97yoohbh%2F5_D3_frame.jpg&hash=c4e5f8d5de5d6b3828118a7a2da03c49)

Do you have Davinci Resolve? It would be interesting to compare your files processed that way for each camera. I want to get to the bottom of this fringeing issue I'm seeing.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 13, 2013, 07:13:17 AM
for now you have to use an external recorder and sync using the beep.
Hey Ted.....is there a beep function in the ML menu ?? Cheers.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 13, 2013, 07:26:15 AM
In: Raw Video menu>Sound>sync beep
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 13, 2013, 07:45:11 AM
In: Raw Video menu>Sound>sync beep
Thank You !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: chroma on September 13, 2013, 08:30:18 AM
My comments on several on-going issues that keep coming up:

Color Fringing:  I too have seen this ONLY when using DaVinci Resolve.  I believe 1% figures it's a debayering issue in Resolve.  Makes sense.  I do not see it using ACR/After Effects or Cineform/GoPro Studio.

Moire Issues:  The only "solution" to a line skipped sensor is to : A, not line skip aka crop mode or B, use the Mosaic Engineering VAF filter.  As I went over in this thread, I use the VAF filter and it works great and does not degrade the image.

The "Banding" Issue:  I only see these bands when the image ISO is pushed beyond 400 ISO.  All camera systems have limits and/or things you must avoid...Unfortunately for 7D owners, this may be one of them.

Absence of Motion "Blur":  This one is a puzzler, maybe I'm misunderstanding.  All the RAW footage I've shot has a fair amount of "Motion Blur" and not as much "Rolling Shutter" as it seems to have in h.264.  Maybe just another limitation we'll have to deal with.

Maybe, just maybe if we're real patient and lucky, the ML software gurus will solve all of this.  I'm confident.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 13, 2013, 11:32:54 AM

The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.


If you use After Effects to import the DNGs, ACR open up automatically when importing.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 01:34:09 PM
Do you have Davinci Resolve? It would be interesting to compare your files processed that way for each camera. I want to get to the bottom of this fringeing issue I'm seeing.
No.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 13, 2013, 02:05:10 PM

Raw DNG has lots of hot pixels (red) and other colors too.
The proxy videos generated by RAWANIZER and dcraw where pretty ugly!
Videos via ACR 8.2 RC to TIFF to Vegas, were of excellent quality and hot pixels removed by ACR.
When compared to 5D3 videos I could notice a little more noise but comparable sharpness and color.

@RenatoPhoto
you could tell, the way you're using to process the raw video?
ACR as exporting to vegas?
your using RAWanaizer to process the raw file or raw2dng?
as you export from the ACR to tiff?
thanks for your help!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 02:41:27 PM
@RenatoPhoto
you could tell, the way you're using to process the raw video?
ACR as exporting to vegas?
your using RAWanaizer to process the raw file or raw2dng?
as you export from the ACR to tiff?
thanks for your help!
Open the DNG with ACR.
Take out sharpening, standard is 25 I set it to 0
Add Luminance from 0 to 50
Adjust white balance with AUTO
I may do some adjustments under Tone curve (highlights, lights, darks, shadows)
Save all the DNG as TIFF

Import the TIFF into video editor (Vegas)
Adjust noise (NEAT VIDEO)
Add sharpening after noise reduction, use Convultion Kernel
Change Color Curves if required.
Export video

P.S.  I am now using Rawanizer to do a first automatic generation of video for a quick look.  I put the latest raw2dng.exe in the Rawanizer directory to make sure I am getting the latest conversion tool.  Finally if I decide that the video is good enough for further process then I do the ACR to TIFF process using the dng generated by Rawanizer.

 Some more details here:
RAW Video: PostProcessing -- Beginners Guide --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 13, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
why do you transform DNG into TIFF?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on September 13, 2013, 02:58:08 PM
Keep up the great work!!   ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
why do you transform DNG into TIFF?
You could convert to jpeg, but TIFF gives you more latitude if you need to adjust exposure in the video editor.  TIFF is higher quality more bits and is uncompressed.

Further discussions on this topic (NOT 7D) please go here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 13, 2013, 03:16:31 PM
Blackmagic just released the beta version of Resolve 10 for download on their website. I've read that there are some new features that can help defringe raw footage, like input PTZR, among others. I'll give it a try as soon as I can!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ChrisContiPhoto on September 13, 2013, 06:00:57 PM
Hi all,

This doesn't have to do with RAW video per se, but as best as I can tell this is still the best place to ask this question:

Does exFAT >4GB file size-recording work on the 7D yet?
(this doc seems to suggest that it should: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5 )
If so, which ML version or build should I be using?

My primary goal (at least right now) isn't RAW video, but extended record times recording normal old h.264 (longer than 22 minutes or whatever the normal 4GB limit is).

If exFAT does work with the 7D, has anybody done it? What's the process for getting it installed?

Any advice is appreciated!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 13, 2013, 06:29:22 PM
7D does not support exfat. You can however use auto restart to let the camera automatically restart recording h264 video after 4 gig is reached. There will be a 1-1.5 sec gaps between clips.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ChrisContiPhoto on September 13, 2013, 06:43:43 PM
Damn.
(thanks for the response though!)

In that case, should that Google doc be updated? At the moment it says that the 7D does support exFAT...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ChrisContiPhoto on September 13, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
For what it's worth, I tried the following process, and it didn't work  :(

Here's what I tried:
- I did a complete ML install process using a FAT32 card and confirmed ML was working on the 7D
- I reformatted the CF card to exFAT in Apple Disk Utility
- I ran MacBoot again just to make sure the card was still bootable
- I recopied all the necessary ML files back onto the root of the CF card
- I put the card back in the camera, turned it on....

... and got the "this card is not readable" error.
Womp womp.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edwmotion on September 13, 2013, 07:02:20 PM
Does anyone know if Metabones Speedboster for EF mount will be available? Would be great on crop 5x mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 13, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
Quote
7D does not support exfat.

7D *does* support exfat, its in the FW strings. But 7D doesn't want to let you use it on cards under 128GB. I think this would need an actual firmware patch which I'm unsure how to do... in theory it would gain some speed.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rabbity Jack on September 13, 2013, 07:40:51 PM
I have been looking around and found that actually the purple fringeing is a common problem with Resolve and RAW data - it isn't a 7D problem specifically. There are some tutorials for mostly fixing it but I think from what I can see in experimenting that Resolve 10 is already doing a better job with this than 9. Time will tell.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ChrisContiPhoto on September 13, 2013, 07:43:56 PM
Yes, I have been able to record clips longer than 4GB. Just tonight I recorded a 9GB test clip that was automatically broken into three files which Raw Magic combined with no problems at all. (used the Sept 12 build)
That doesn't help, because the auto-start leaves gaps in the clips. I need continuous clips with no gaps.

7D *does* support exfat, its in the FW strings. But 7D doesn't want to let you use it on cards under 128GB. I think this would need an actual firmware patch which I'm unsure how to do... in theory it would gain some speed.
Iiiiinteresting.... so exFAT would work on 128+GB cards? 1%, do you think the process I used above would work if I used a 128GB card?

Muchos gracias!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 13, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
Possibly, I don't have one to test but I see the exfat strings... maybe there is a way to fake out the camera and make it think the card is 128gb... also dunno if fir will run from 128gb cards.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rabbity Jack on September 13, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
That doesn't help, because the auto-start leaves gaps in the clips. I need continuous clips with no gaps.

I was talking about RAW recording, sorry. I realised afterwards that this is about H264 continuous recording. For RAW it just keeps on going without a pause.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: blackjack102 on September 14, 2013, 08:08:30 PM
Don't forget about upside down but no rush. I don't test new version to check it out, so I am not sure if it is fixed or not.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 14, 2013, 08:12:19 PM
What happens to upside down mode? I noticed it was disabled, worked on other stuff like forceLV and audio... It could be another master/slave issue.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 14, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
Hi 1%,do you think audio monitoring through usb will be possible in the future?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 15, 2013, 08:31:39 AM
question does 7d support exfat?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 15, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
question does 7d support exfat?

Possibly, I don't have one to test but I see the exfat strings... maybe there is a way to fake out the camera and make it think the card is 128gb... also dunno if fir will run from 128gb cards.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edingacic on September 15, 2013, 01:18:40 PM
is there a tool for osx like RAWanizer to make proxy for faster review and selection of footage before processing with ACR or DaVinci.  I use RAWMagic testing 7d DNGs last build has a lot of pink frames but that is due to I guess my slow 400x card i cont. mode I think its fine.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 15, 2013, 03:09:04 PM
You can use ligthroom or any viewer

I use Adobe Bridge.

There's also an Adobe "codec" to view DNGs in the explorer.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 15, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
OK, I know I suck for asking this since it's asked before, but I finally got my CF card (128GB 1000x komputerbay) and reader (fcr-hs3 kingston) in the mail and I hope to be able to finally play with ML tonight :D

1) How do I benchmark the card to know it's not a dud?

2) Is the right way to grab the latest build to compile the stuff from 1%'s repository somewhere? If so, where is that repository located? If not, here's the sucky question- where is the best place to grab the latest build?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 15, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
OK, I know I suck for asking this since it's asked before, but I finally got my CF card (128GB 1000x komputerbay) and reader (fcr-hs3 kingston) in the mail and I hope to be able to finally play with ML tonight :D

1) How do I benchmark the card to know it's not a dud?

2) Is the right way to grab the latest build to compile the stuff from 1%'s repository somewhere? If so, where is that repository located? If not, here's the sucky question- where is the best place to grab the latest build?

Thanks in advance

1: Card benchmark in ML menu. Or if you like, there's a read/write stress test app out there that can stress test your card. It might break the card if you got a bad copy.

2. Check out the build thread linked in britom's signature.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sonicgoose on September 15, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
Long-time reader, first-time poster. Was using the official alpha 2 build for the last few months but longed for the FPS Override feature my better half has on her 60D, so this morning I took the plunge and installed the auto boot and 1%'s build from 9/12. Two things I noticed:

Anyone know why?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 15, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
Long-time reader, first-time poster. Was using the official alpha 2 build for the last few months but longed for the FPS Override feature my better half has on her 60D, so this morning I took the plunge and installed the auto boot and 1%'s build from 9/12. Two things I noticed:
  • RAW Video shows up twice in the Movie menu
  • FPS Override appears to be functional in the Movie menu (I can turn it on and set it up) but my 7D isn't actually recording at the lower framerate :(

Anyone know why?

1. have a look in menu at module section end disable raw_rec or mlv,if they are both of them enabled
2. fps override will work just if you go in canon menu end select update firmaware.Have to be done everytime you torn on the camera.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sonicgoose on September 15, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
1. have a look in menu at module section end disable raw_rec or mlv,if they are both of them enabled
2. fps override will work just if you go in canon menu end select update firmaware.Have to be done everytime you torn on the camera.

Thanks. They were both enabled but I didn't realize I'd still need to manually update the firmware to make it work. I thought the autoboot meant that wasn't necessary. So now I've got it working but when I stop recording the live view freezes. I had read that pressing Menu twice would unfreeze, but that doesn't work for me. However, pressing Menu THREE times causes the camera to reboot and returns things to normal. Out of four tests, one required me pulling the battery to kill the live view.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 15, 2013, 07:01:21 PM
disable 10X zoom in ML menu as its the one causing the freeze.
You can also press the play button if you freeze in crop/magnify mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Joshua_G on September 15, 2013, 08:00:09 PM
I read almost the entire thread, however information is much fragmented, so I couldn't manage to get a full picture.
Therefore I have few questions.

1.   As for the 1% build from 12/09/2013, should it be installed instead of the 7D beta2 build, or alongside it?

2. With the latest raw build, does the 7D records actual video in raw mode, or series of still frames that should be mounted together into video file?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: szigiszmund on September 15, 2013, 08:15:37 PM
I read almost the entire thread, however information is much fragmented, so I couldn't manage to get a full picture.
Therefore I have few questions.

1.   As for the 1% build from 12/09/2013, should it be installed instead of the 7D beta2 build, or alongside it?

2. With the latest raw build, does the 7D records actual video in raw mode, or series of still frames that should be mounted together into video file?

1. 1% build from 12/09/2013
2. series of still frames that should be mounted together into video file
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Joshua_G on September 15, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 15, 2013, 09:29:15 PM
Well series of still frames isn't exact... it use to only have burst and make individual frames.

Now it records a .raw file you convert to frames or video.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 15, 2013, 09:33:14 PM
lol, well, that was a dud for the 128gb komputerbay... benchmark hovered between 80MB and 20MB read speeds (in photo/playback mode with global draw off). Then the card wouldn't even format .

Now to wait another month for international shipping while they (hopefully) replace it... :'(

On the positive, I was able to record a few frames in MLV before it died and got some green pixels which might be useful for debugging.

Picture here (this was shot in very little, terrible light, just pointing at my desk- and then bumped heavily up in after effects- no noise reduction or anything like that. didn't expect to be posting it anywhere, was just an initial test):

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrRcwuz3.jpg&hash=4eef89a4d945798de3b51c0c3de789a1)

*sigh*
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 15, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
Since you have a 128GB card.... will the camera recognize it when formatted exfat?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 15, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
1% so i got a 32 Komputer bay 1000X CF so its possible to format in exfat. instead of fat32? and if it supports in how do i format? yes i have window7 and reformatted in exfat then when into eoscard and installed aplha2  ( all the normal things to have a working ) but my 7d cant find it says card not supported. thanks again
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 16, 2013, 12:06:36 AM
1% so i got a 32 Komputer bay 1000X CF so its possible to format in exfat. instead of fat32? and if it supports in how do i format? yes i have window7 and reformatted in exfat then when into eoscard and installed aplha2  ( all the normal things to have a working ) but my 7d cant find it says card not supported. thanks again

exfat only (probably) supported (right now) for 128gb+ cards
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Deem on September 16, 2013, 01:11:00 AM
Hi, my daylight raw test with build from 1% :)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 16, 2013, 01:59:25 AM
I'm asking KB how to make the 64gb card pretend to be a 128gb to the camera so we'll see what happens... besides that the only other option is a firmware patch.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sonicgoose on September 16, 2013, 03:28:10 AM
disable 10X zoom in ML menu as its the one causing the freeze.
You can also press the play button if you freeze in crop/magnify mode.

I disabled 10x zoom but the freezing persists, only when I stop recording video with FPS Override turned on. Pressing Menu twice or pressing Play once have no effect. My only solution now is to pull the battery.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 16, 2013, 03:44:46 AM
@ 1%

For your information the autoexe.fir file does not work with the latest compiles form https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
It works with the provided modules and autoexec.bin from the  [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip
I would like to know if it is supposed to work or not.  Currently when I do the firmware upgrade the camera freezes in the sensor cleaning step.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 16, 2013, 05:47:59 AM
Since you have a 128GB card.... will the camera recognize it when formatted exfat?

Can't do anything with it anymore since it died, but while it was alive- no, it didn't work when formatted on the computer to exfat (even when I tried copying all the files/folders over in case it was a missing structure issue)

it require reformatting in the camera (i.e. to fat)

I didn't try formatting to fat in the computer as a test though

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 16, 2013, 01:25:31 PM
Just received a 32Gb 1000x Lexar CF

is there some tests that I can do to help you, 1%?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Fringuello on September 16, 2013, 04:46:45 PM
altro test
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arbergjoni on September 16, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Can someone tell me how should I do to film in raw with my 7d.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 16, 2013, 06:57:17 PM
Can someone tell me how should I do to film in raw with my 7d.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 16, 2013, 10:17:01 PM
For what it's worth, Komputerbay tech rep was extremely helpful and kind on the phone. Even giving me some tips to setup magic lantern for shooting raw :)

Due to this great service and the competitive price, I'm going to give them another shot. It's great to deal with a company like that, and despite my first dud, I'd recommend them for anyone here (I think it's a very similar mindset to ML- willing to take a little risk and much patience to get great footage on a tight budget). Will report back when I have my new card (will be a while due to international shipping both ways) ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 17, 2013, 01:13:59 AM
Yea, they seem nice. Probably a little confused as to what I'm asking tho :)

so far 2 x 64 UDMA7, tons of writing and no issues.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 17, 2013, 02:55:22 AM
Has anyone tried the Transcend 64gb 1000x? Thinking about buying a couple of those instead of risking the Komputerbay lottery.. :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: edingacic on September 17, 2013, 04:25:52 AM
my raw test
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 17, 2013, 04:38:41 AM
my raw test

Looks nice! I like it!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arctic-char on September 17, 2013, 12:39:56 PM
...will be a while due to international shipping both ways ;)

Hey dmk, where did you order the card from ? I've seen the Komputerbay cards on Amazon but they won't ship one to Australia  >:(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 17, 2013, 01:54:46 PM
@ 1%

For your information the autoexe.fir file does not work with the latest compiles form https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
It works with the provided modules and autoexec.bin from the  [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip
I would like to know if it is supposed to work or not.  Currently when I do the firmware upgrade the camera freezes in the sensor cleaning step.

Bump.. Sorry

I am wondering if the autoexe.fir from [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip can be used with the recent builds I have copiled from: https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
I assume the answer is no because it does not work.  But I just want to make sure in case that I am doing something wrong.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 17, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
Bump.. Sorry

I am wondering if the autoexe.fir from [7D]AudioControlsFirBin.zip can be used with the recent builds I have copiled from: https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
I assume the answer is no because it does not work.  But I just want to make sure in case that I am doing something wrong.

Maybe this autoexe.fir from 7D is specific for the 7D and not 6D (which is the build you copied from)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 17, 2013, 04:01:59 PM
Maybe this autoexe.fir from 7D is specific for the 7D and not 6D (which is the build you copied from)
Thanks for your explanation, but as far as I know /tragic-lantern-6d/commits is the general directory for all of 1% work and the 7D work is done from the same directory.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dmk on September 17, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
Hey dmk, where did you order the card from ? I've seen the Komputerbay cards on Amazon but they won't ship one to Australia  >:(

For initial shipment- I think you're right, they don't ship internationally (though maybe there's an expensive option to make it happen, try calling them). Luckily, my Mom lives in Texas :)

For replacements- they ship internationally for free/cheap (you might need to pay extra for tracking/expedited)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 17, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
If its labeled 7D its 7D, if its labeled 6D then its 6D :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 17, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
So, maybe I don't understand how RAW works exactly, but I'm curious as to how color profiles are handled. I typically use either the Cinestyle or Prolost flat color profile when I'm recording. As I've been tryoing to grade my test RAW footage, I've noticed that it looked a whole lot more saturated than I thought it should so I just did some comparison shoots in RAW and H.264. The H.264 (seen on top) looks flat like I would expect it to while the RAW footage (seen on the bottom) looks super saturated. Does RAW not apply color profiles?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff.cl.ly%2Fitems%2F0a1V1s2p3z3p3y2i0p0U%2Fcompare.jpg&hash=f3bb4f902408b38d65fbe7b4c0870a1c)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: PressureFM on September 17, 2013, 06:27:24 PM
So, maybe I don't understand how RAW works exactly, but I'm curious as to how color profiles are handled. I typically use either the Cinestyle or Prolost flat color profile when I'm recording. As I've been tryoing to grade my test RAW footage, I've noticed that it looked a whole lot more saturated than I thought it should so I just did some comparison shoots in RAW and H.264. The H.264 (seen on top) looks flat like I would expect it to while the RAW footage (seen on the bottom) looks super saturated. Does RAW not apply color profiles?



RAW is RAW.

Hence why the color profile isn't "baked" in.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 17, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
Open the DNG with ACR.
Take out sharpening, standard is 25 I set it to 0
Add Luminance from 0 to 50
Adjust white balance with AUTO
I may do some adjustments under Tone curve (highlights, lights, darks, shadows)
Save all the DNG as TIFF

Import the TIFF into video editor (Vegas)
Adjust noise (NEAT VIDEO)
Add sharpening after noise reduction, use Convultion Kernel
Change Color Curves if required.
Export video

P.S.  I am now using Rawanizer to do a first automatic generation of video for a quick look.  I put the latest raw2dng.exe in the Rawanizer directory to make sure I am getting the latest conversion tool.  Finally if I decide that the video is good enough for further process then I do the ACR to TIFF process using the dng generated by Rawanizer.

 Some more details here:
RAW Video: PostProcessing -- Beginners Guide --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0

What's convolution kernel?

Also, when you use ACR, does it still flicker when you adjust the lights/darks? And can you set the camera profile? Mine only shows Embedded, can't select adobe standard, camera neutral, etc...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 17, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
Pardon me for interrupting. I am using one of 1%'s builds (I don't quite remember which one exactly, because there are so many of them, it is the one that cannot play back raw video), initially it has got plenty of ERR on the shoulder screen, after overhearing that 1%'s camera, which is equipment with CF cards faster than mine), was working fine,  I started to suspect that those crashes are related to write speed, so I reduced to the maximum resolution that the old firmware, which is before the great FPS override,  can sport with my poor old CF cards, and the result was a bit encouraging, only 1 ERR error the whole afternoon shooting for fun. And later I tried to boot the camera with a large preload like 512mb, the ERR error was just gone, with several test shots. It was a miracle. Thanks 1% for your good work.

Btw, I found that the autoexec.fir only needs to be flashed once, and the camera just FPS overrides fine afterwards.

corrects some grammar
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rabbity Jack on September 17, 2013, 06:40:20 PM
Hey dmk, where did you order the card from ? I've seen the Komputerbay cards on Amazon but they won't ship one to Australia  >:(

Take a look on Ebay. I just ordered one from there and it came promptly - I had to pay about 20 bucks for shipping but it was a lot cheaper than Amazon.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rabbity Jack on September 17, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
I found this tutorial in another thread when I was having debayering problems with Resolve and thought I would share here. Resolve 10 seems to have fixed that issue but I still get some very ugly colour moire between tree leaves etc when shooting in full sensor mode (even ACR/AE doesn't do away with that). This simple trick fixes it amazingly well.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 17, 2013, 07:52:19 PM
What's convolution kernel?

I found convolution kernel to be an excellent tool for sharpenning video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28image_processing%29

I use it with Vegas pro 12
https://www.google.com.ec/?gws_rd=cr&ei=15Q4UqO-LI_e4AP20YHYCA#q=convolution+kernel+vegas+sharpenning

Also, when you use ACR, does it still flicker when you adjust the lights/darks?

I use Tone curve adjustments available in ACR (second tab after the Basic) and get no flicker.

And can you set the camera profile? Mine only shows Embedded, can't select adobe standard, camera neutral, etc...

On the bottom of ACR you will see the camera profile in blue colors.  If I click i can change profile
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 17, 2013, 07:53:48 PM
RAW is RAW.

Hence why the color profile isn't "baked" in.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. The color profile doesn't really matter, does it?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Rewind on September 17, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. The color profile doesn't really matter, does it?
Even white balance doesn't matter either )
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 17, 2013, 08:02:05 PM
If its labeled 7D its 7D, if its labeled 6D then its 6D :)
Maybe a bit of confusion in here.  The binaries to follow the 7D development are here:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits

You even said so and I have been compiling 7D from these binaries.  See below


Quote
Which binaries can I clone to follow your development?

Its all in the 6D repo but the caveat is that the dual bins must be signed. Still haven't figured out ADTG logging on the master side for shutter. I got HDR working... but it flashed in LV only, i know where it is on the master but dunno how to do MEM(address)+X and have it land on the master via RPC.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: zeten on September 17, 2013, 11:12:58 PM
Hello everyone. I'm new  user from Poland.
Today I tested RAW 60 f/s in the normal 16:9 video mode is flattening the image horizontally (1728x694) and crop x 3 mode is normal (1792x 1008) but does not record 60 frames only 30 f/s
Is this normal ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 18, 2013, 01:43:21 AM
You are posting on the wrong thread.  This is development thread for 7D not a: General Help Q&A (right area to ask help questions)

You will find all of the answers in the Guides written here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=49.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mburgst on September 18, 2013, 08:46:16 AM
Got my Komputerbay 64GB card yesterday. What Read/Write speeds should a card like that show in the benchmark? I got like 46MB/s on a 2048 chunk.

Recording 1x1 on 1728 stopped with a Frameskip after some seconds. Second try didn't stop and went on fluently.

Before heading to bed i tried recording 1920 in 5x crop mode, but that stopped recording after the first frame.

Right now i remember the hint to set jpg quality to S. Does that improve recording? Global draw had been set to off.

FPS Override Firmware was loaded and FPS were set to 25.

Build was the latest test build from 12.09.2013
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: longyanhd on September 18, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
No RAW on my 7D(Version:magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2 )
Where do you download?Thanks
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thomas Worth on September 18, 2013, 09:08:16 AM
Hey guys, I finally got some time to continue testing ML on my 7D. Here are a few observations:

Recording at 1728x972 works continuously at both 24 and 25 fps with a 64GB KomputerBay 1000x CF card. This is good! However, if I have global draw enabled during recording, I get corrupted frames every now and then. Also, if I have software focus peaking enabled, I can't record continuously. It this because software peaking is sucking up too much CPU?

DIGIC peaking (hardware peaking?) works great, and allows me to record continuously at 972p while it's on. I'd like to use the edge detect peaking variant, but don't want it enabled all the time -- only for checking focus. I can half-press to get back my preview, but what I'd really like is to invert this behavior. In other words, half-press turns on DIGIC peaking.

I can record for a while (not continuous, unfortunately) at 50p at scope-ish aspect ratios. However, there is some bad aliasing with red/blue shifts. It's the same type of aliasing you notice with an unmodified Canon DSLR prior to the 5D Mark III. This doesn't seem to be an issue when recording up to 30p. Why only 50p and up?

Looking good so far. I almost feel comfortable using this on a shoot! I'd be interested in seeing how well RAW 5D3 and 7D cut together.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 18, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
No RAW on my 7D(Version:magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha2 )
Where do you download?Thanks

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 18, 2013, 01:53:00 PM
Not sure if I'm reading this right. When you record raw (mlv) at 5x (zoom) the frame rate is 30fps.
In order to change it to 23.976 do you have to go into the Canon menu and change the firmware ?
I'm using the Sept 30th update which is autoboot. I just copied the files from the newest update that provides the fps change.
What is the reason (benefits) to record at 5x and what is the proper way to get fps to work. Cheers !!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 18, 2013, 02:12:52 PM
U need to update with the last versions from 1%. After this turn on you camera and update the firmware for you get the the fps override option to work.

In the ML menu, movie, just put the disere fps and use the exact fps option also. Using 5x you can get 2k, igher resolutions and without skipping frame, no moire or other undesired things =))

For now it's the only method that we have to have some functions work on the 7D, like fps override. 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: jman on September 18, 2013, 02:33:24 PM
U need to update with the last versions from 1%. After this turn on you camera and update the firmware for you get the the fps override option to work.

In the ML menu, movie, just put the disere fps and use the exact fps option also. Using 5x you can get 2k, igher resolutions and without skipping frame, no moire or other undesired things =))

For now it's the only method that we have to have some functions work on the 7D, like fps override.
Thank you...will give it a go. Cheers !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 18, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
Are these cards going to make any difference for the 7D?

http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010 (http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: stevelucky on September 18, 2013, 05:37:29 PM
Are these cards going to make any difference for the 7D?

http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010 (http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=21010)

I think that's going to be a whole lot faster than the write speed capabilities of the 7D. At that point the camera is the bottleneck.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: danistuta on September 18, 2013, 09:08:06 PM
Is there a way to shoot in 1080 60p h264 with fps override?
Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mburgst on September 18, 2013, 09:32:52 PM
strange. when i switch to 5x mode i can maximum record about 30-40 frames then recording stops because of skipped frames. :(

i'm having severe frame skipping issues now with the new card. can't get it to recording without skipping frames any more. at any FPS may it be 23,79, 24, 25 or 30. 5x or 1x. tried different resolutions. at 1920 i can't get beyond 10 frames or so.

pretty much out of ideas what could be wrong..

once the camera had locked up when switching to 5x mode and starting recording. couldn't reproduce it though..



did some more tests. seems like the infotext when switching resolutions is pretty correct. when it's green i can continuosly record. so where does this thing gets its information from? seems like my card doesn't make any more than around 70mb/s? or is my cam too slow?!

when switching to 5x mode i really have to lower resolution. not even close to beeing able to record in around 1920.

once even liveview froze.

also changing zoom seems to slow down recording even with global draw off. maybe that magic zoom does interfere here?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: luckyluis on September 18, 2013, 10:29:01 PM
Is there anywhere I can download some raw footage from to test the Workflow before I install?
I cant seem to find it anywhere and I apologize if it is staring me in the face.  :P

Been reading the forum a few day's now and some amazing work going on by the Magic lantern community, and I would just like to say thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 18, 2013, 11:16:35 PM
Don't know if anyone got it for download but i think that in vimeo you can find and download it  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: luckyluis on September 19, 2013, 12:03:16 AM
Don't know if anyone got it for download but i think that in vimeo you can find and download it  :)

Ok cool. Will take a look. Cheers.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 01:09:30 AM
For users of RAWMagic and raw2dng: I did some tests with and without the vertical stripes correction code, and I get a cleaner result from 7D RAW footage when this correction is bypassed. I will add the ability to disable the correction in the next RAWMagic update (as of now it is always enabled).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 19, 2013, 02:01:07 AM
For users of RAWMagic and raw2dng: I did some tests with and without the vertical stripes correction code, and I get a cleaner result from 7D RAW footage when this correction is bypassed. I will add the ability to disable the correction in the next RAWMagic update (as of now it is always enabled).

Hi Thomas, the rawmagic it's only for mac?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 02:23:22 AM
Hi Thomas, the rawmagic it's only for mac?
At the moment, yes. I have a CLI version that runs on Windows, but no GUI yet.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 19, 2013, 06:27:41 AM
over all having fun with ML my new addiction

a raw shoot i took
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on September 19, 2013, 07:01:51 AM
For users of RAWMagic and raw2dng: I did some tests with and without the vertical stripes correction code, and I get a cleaner result from 7D RAW footage when this correction is bypassed.

Can you upload a small raw file that shows this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 07:36:50 AM
Can you upload a small raw file that shows this?
Layer these two images on top of each other, then turn the top one on/off and you'll see the difference. This is zoomed in about 400%, I believe.

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5a9f/8bjux3fnl4il7g9fg.jpg (VS On)
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6478/usofobjks2hhh5nfg.jpg (VS Off)

This is repeatable with any RAW file as long as the image is pushed hard during color correction (as was the frame above).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on September 19, 2013, 07:46:26 AM
Back then I've disabled the correction in dark areas for similar  reasons:

Code: [Select]
             * At very dark levels, you will introduce roundoff errors, so don't correct there
             ... pa > black + 64 ...

Maybe this threshold needs adjusted or computed dynamically?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 19, 2013, 10:45:02 AM
¿Can anybody share two video frames (dngs if possible) taken with the 7d, one with the VAF filter on and one off? I'll be forever thankful :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: artrepublican on September 19, 2013, 11:45:28 AM
Thanks to all developers for their hard and amazing work.

I recorded almost 5 min long continuous raw video twice. First with, and Second without external monitor. That one with hdmi monitor had a lot of pink frames. The second test, without monitor had not, even one pink frame  :).
Is there any possibilities to record using external monitor without having broken frames?

I used KomputerBay 64 GB 1000x CF
Format: 16:9, 1728 x 972

I had the same issue earlier using ML when recording H.264, so maybe it's not fixable at all.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thomas Worth on September 19, 2013, 12:03:25 PM
Maybe this threshold needs adjusted or computed dynamically?
I'm of the opinion that image processing should be avoided altogether if it isn't absolutely necessary. In the case of the 5D3, the code is needed and works well. So, my thought was to auto-enable the "VSC" code when the 5D3 or other cameras that need it are detected. For other cameras like the 7D, it is bypassed. This should also save a little CPU, although the cost seems negligible on a fast Mac.

I also think the user should be able to "opt out" if they want to (as was done here, which resulted in a cleaner image).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 19, 2013, 12:19:23 PM
At the moment, yes. I have a CLI version that runs on Windows, but no GUI yet.

It would be nice having for windows  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mdwhaley on September 19, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
with the [7d]PopStop version I cannot remove ML from the camera, any ideas?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 19, 2013, 03:44:28 PM
I am using Britom's Sep 10 build from the repo (which has playback RAW video function in the RawVideo submenu), when I shoot RAW video, pressing the Zoom-in Key ( the "+" key) will make the camera freeze.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 19, 2013, 04:38:47 PM
Quote
with the [7d]PopStop version I cannot remove ML from the camera, any ideas?

Run boot off fir if you want no boot flag. You don't *have* to autoboot if you're a glutton for button pressing.

Quote
when I shoot RAW video, pressing the Zoom-in Key ( the "+" key) will make the camera freeze.

10x yuv is broken. You have to press play to go back to 1x. You can record in the frozen zoom too without issue (except no preview).
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 19, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
Run boot off fir if you want no boot flag. You don't *have* to autoboot if you're a glutton for button pressing.

10x yuv is broken. You have to press play to go back to 1x. You can record in the frozen zoom too without issue (except no preview).

I think what I mean was that pressing the zoom key while recording RAW video, the camera showed an ERR message on the shoulder screen and then freezed and crashed. Please excuse my bad English.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 19, 2013, 05:19:18 PM
I think what I mean was that pressing the zoom key while recording RAW video, the camera showed an ERR message on the shoulder screen and then freezed and crashed. Please excuse my bad English.
This zoom while recording function is not supported.  Dont do it!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mdwhaley on September 19, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Run boot off fir if you want no boot flag. You don't *have* to autoboot if you're a glutton for button pressing.

10x yuv is broken. You have to press play to go back to 1x. You can record in the frozen zoom too without issue (except no preview).

Thanks, I guess what I meant was boot flag cannot be disabled in camera via firmware update, it just goes to sensor cleaning screen and everything is still there. No biggie.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Stallman on September 19, 2013, 06:16:34 PM
Hello,

New in RAW video ML on 7D,  i tried pelican build and it's a jowerly, thanks guys!
i've just a little problem , i wonder why  in my .mov i 've  a big horizontal white stripe ?.
I tried all resolutions.

Thanks you
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 19, 2013, 06:48:41 PM

Horizontal white strip only in h.246 video? In raw don't show up this?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mrnv45 on September 19, 2013, 07:59:41 PM
how can i record audio while filming?


just put alpha 2 on and tested low light. 1344x560 i believe. force 18fps 2:3 crop.

Camera<Memory card<RAWMagic<Lightroom (edit - export into full res Adobe .jpg<FCPx<change duration to 1, consolidate clips<touch up more<export to youtube

this is a single fireplace light in the apartment. dont remember everything but i believe it was 800 iso..dont remember shutter or Aperture.

did diff kinda grades and clean ups.  some have a fuzzyish ring still in dark and bright spots.. any way to remove?

here is a sample..

shot at 1728 x 1152 on a canon 7d with 24-105 Lens what would i set my crop to i was using 2:3 and it has error code 6.  if i use the 1344 like i was i can run continuous for atleast 30 sec-1min (that ive tested) forced 24fps following this TUT.


 here is a sample daylight and rain..

shot at 1/100 and f/7-9 iso 250-800 depending on lighting or theme.. tried some low light on the bridge too.. enjoy

Camera<Memory card<RAWMagic<Lightroom ( NO EDIT  - export into full res Adobe .jpg <FCPx<make project 1280x720 at 24fps<change duration to 1, consolidate clips<color touch ups a little sharpen around 2-5.0<export to youtube ... i feel vimeo captures the true resolution cause we all know youtube is garbage but its more known)



Using:

12/09/2013
► 1% Build updated to commit f9bec4d (https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/all)
Includes a signed .fir version where you can use fps override and video hacks that can be booted via firmware update. (Does not modify your camera.)

From:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 19, 2013, 11:16:12 PM
I need to sign a new fir after all these changes but exfat? Is it working for anyone?

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8408.new#new
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Thomas Worth on September 20, 2013, 06:25:31 AM
1%, I enabled FPS override for the 7D by commenting out #undef FEATURE_FPS_OVERRIDE in /platform/7D.203/features.h. I now have the FPS override menu, but no matter what I set it to the data rate remains the same when shooting in crop mode. In other words, reducing the frame rate doesn't seem to reduce the amount of data being written. Is it simply being ignored? Is there something else that needs to be done?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Stallman on September 20, 2013, 09:05:37 AM
Horizontal white strip only in h.246 video? In raw don't show up this?

i got it after i put my file .RAW in raw to dng. It give me a .mov file which has a white large stripe.
does the .MOV is  h.264 after processing in raw to dng ?

Thanks you

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 20thdc on September 20, 2013, 09:42:40 AM
May I ask and know why we're not included in this build?

http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/

I've been reading majority all the Moderators, Developers, Contributors, Administrator and the community on this forum regarding RAW and the new MLV format, seems we've been left behind?
Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just a peasant....
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 20, 2013, 10:24:34 AM
i got it after i put my file .RAW in raw to dng. It give me a .mov file which has a white large stripe.
does the .MOV is  h.264 after processing in raw to dng ?

Thanks you

raw2dng (like the name say) give's u dng's, will never give u mov files.


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 20, 2013, 10:25:54 AM
May I ask and know why we're not included in this build?

http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/

I've been reading majority all the Moderators, Developers, Contributors, Administrator and the community on this forum regarding RAW and the new MLV format, seems we've been left behind?
Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just a peasant....

If u got everything install good, in the module menu you must load the mlv or the raw module (just one) and then you will have mlv file or raw file.


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 20, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Btw, is there a MLV 2 CDNG Windows software? AE's processing speed for DNG is anguishing.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Stallman on September 20, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
raw2dng (like the name say) give's u dng's, will never give u mov files.

I took a screenshot, in output i've all dng files in a folder and a .mov file.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg546.imageshack.us%2Fimg546%2F9184%2F7gtm.png&hash=449471b3d99ecced07576a2e5d3c3b45) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/7gtm.png/)

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on September 20, 2013, 11:13:34 AM
Awesome find Thomas Worth with the vertical resolution testing. That's almost like raising the bit depth of the recording from a 12-bit (technically a 14 bit) to a true 14-bit image level. Seems like you're getting everything out of the picture. Thanks very much for taking this into account!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Idir75 on September 20, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
Hello everyone, what is the latest stable version for the 7D raw please?

I know that stability is relative .... :)


thank you
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 20thdc on September 20, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
If u got everything install good, in the module menu you must load the mlv or the raw module (just one) and then you will have mlv file or raw file.


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987



Thank you arrinkiiii,
I've been testing all the modules you've provided on the link, since Pelican Compiled the module

Why not ours on this link?
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/

Now I've compiled ML and raw_rec but can't really use...
Code: [Select]
[ MODULE   ]   raw_rec.mo
[ STRIP    ]   raw_rec.mo
[ EXPORTS  ]   raw_rec.sym
[ DEPENDS  ]   raw_rec.dep
Will load on:
    500D, 50D, 550D, 5D2, 5D3, 600D, 60D, 7D

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpel.hu%2Fdown%2F7DMODULES.BMP&hash=e4a8c41ef89d4e700d67ff0b0a81f974)

Btw, is there a MLV 2 CDNG Windows software? AE's processing speed for DNG is anguishing.

As the moment I'm following their progress on this link
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.0

i got it after i put my file .RAW in raw to dng. It give me a .mov file which has a white large stripe.
does the .MOV is  h.264 after processing in raw to dng ?

Thanks you

It will give you .mov(to preview your clips) and dng after using the application.
I recommend using RawMagic(Thomas Worth is working for the new update) to process Raw Format and for the MLV Format this link from nick.p (Reply #34)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.25

Hello everyone, what is the latest stable version for the 7D raw please?

I know that stability is relative .... :)


thank you

None at the moment, but you can test the latest module here
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 20, 2013, 12:39:17 PM
I took a screenshot, in output i've all dng files in a folder and a .mov file.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg546.imageshack.us%2Fimg546%2F9184%2F7gtm.png&hash=449471b3d99ecced07576a2e5d3c3b45) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/7gtm.png/)

OK, you are using mac... i just use raw2dng for windows on command line. Wish that Thomas Worth make is app to windows =))
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: redrrum on September 20, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
Hi,

Thank you everybody for the amazing work with ML and 7D and also for all the help available in this thread.

My 64GB 1000x Komputerbay CF arrived few days back and I was able to get %1's latest build installed and working with first try. I was a bit sceptical about Komputerbay after reading about a few bad experiences, but after readig about their good customer support and that one guy who ordered 8 (?) cards and not a single one was dud, I decided to give it a go.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDbkyqSr.png&hash=5aea3b28c020994abc0333e73f5664ad)

I'm not sure if my settings for the benchmark are right, but apparently the speeds could be worse. Also, after few quick tests I'm able to record continuously at 1728x972.

As for my first application, I've had this forever project to archive some old family super-8 films by filming the frames directly as they pass the film gate of an 8mm projector, with a DSLR and a macro lens. Poor man's telecine. After trying out a few combos of extension rings, objectives and macro conversion lenses, I found a good one that would give me the 8mm frame magnified to fill the 7D's sensor. After some tests with stock 7D and h264 I thought the quality was good if a bit muddy. Here's a framegrab from the .MOV file:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9ABrkUR.jpg&hash=7bd44351a816fb2cd1b153a20be23487)

Around the time I was making these tests, I heard the news about ML RAW for 7D. I thought that RAW might make a big difference since the graininess of the 8mm film is probably difficult for the h264 encoding, and the video I was getting was not quite as sharp I had hoped. After installing ML I telecined a short clip and was blown away by the result. Not only can I now actually see the grain, but the ability to properly adjust the colors and even the exposure makes all the difference. Here's a frame grab (DNG) from the RAW video:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4bOgfy6.jpg&hash=27af9d3d340adcc4a42f42841dde89f3)

I've adjusted the colors a bit and applied some sharpening without too much thought, not necessarily the best settings.. Both are a bit scaled down, the original cropped-to-film-area DNG is 1172x981. The h264 frame looks so bad I've started to wonder if the camera was out of focus, though some high-contrast details look as sharp as on the RAW version.

The project is not complete, I've still got to figure out how to sync the projector and 7D framerates, but I've got some ideas, and now after trying ML RAW I'm sure it's going to be worth the effort.

Anyways, just wanted to check in and give thanks, good work!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juantamad on September 21, 2013, 10:12:39 AM
Gooday! everyone, I miss you all. Did I miss anything special..........WOW! already this long page.
Anyway, just finished testing the latest build from 1%, THANK YOU again for the contribution you've shared to us.
While we're waiting for the greatest build coming-up, I made something to relax. Feel free to comment.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 21, 2013, 02:01:45 PM

For who didn't get it... MLV player

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg77575#msg77575

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: bikas on September 21, 2013, 02:29:50 PM
Hi, thanks guys for your hard work on this!
But could anyone make summary of settings of camera and ML. Maybe different thread or sticky post. (And yes I've been reading from the very 1 post, but when I've got my card - now to read 47 pages again...)
My problem is vertical stripes.
While adjusting aperture, doesn't updates in live view, sometimes (just after pressing record and stop).

Edit: Don't know what helped with vertical stripes- because switched to MLV or turned off video hacks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: longyanhd on September 21, 2013, 05:57:46 PM
Not be converted to dng, some of the raw files,But most can be converted.
May I ask where is the problem then.Thank you very much.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: danistuta on September 21, 2013, 06:51:47 PM
A question: better .MLV format or .RAW?
Which are advantages of these 2 types? Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 21, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
MLV = meta data + there is a player now.
Raw = no player but faster.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Stallman on September 21, 2013, 08:10:50 PM


It will give you .mov(to preview your clips) and dng after using the application.
I recommend using RawMagic(Thomas Worth is working for the new update) to process Raw Format and for the MLV Format this link from nick.p (Reply #34)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7802.25

Thanks you, now i'm using RawMagic but i've always this white strip on the bottom.
In silent burst i don't have problems and the render is wondefull ).

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 21, 2013, 08:11:08 PM
MLV = meta data + there is a player now.
Raw = no player but faster.

Always hard decisions  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: danistuta on September 21, 2013, 08:25:38 PM
Ok thanks. I shooted in .MLV but I see many dots, and stucks pixel in my raw video file. What's the best, quick and easy way to clean it? Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crwn_schlr on September 21, 2013, 10:21:38 PM
Some quick clips at a live performance filmed with one of the modules prior to the .fir one's:

Not a valid vimeo URL
graded in Resolve 10, no color fringing on edges. The lite version also allows you to output >1080 now which comes in handy for the 2k+ raw sequences. Still some dead pixels though.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 22, 2013, 04:53:17 AM
So for .MLV we could set more info on the header of the file... how does one do that? I don't see any option in the ML menu... then another question is, what software is going to utilize those info? would it be stored in the DNG somewhere? sorry if its been asked and answered before...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crazyd on September 22, 2013, 05:37:49 AM

Check my First RAW video.!

I will make a action film with ML soon. THanks Magic Latern Again.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mburgst on September 22, 2013, 09:53:48 AM
i'm still struggeling with continuous raw recording. any experiences with raw + 64gb komputerbay cards with what options which resolutions should allow continuous recording? i'm still unsure if my cards doesn't deliver the promised speed or if i'm setting some options the wrong way... what are the best options for 7d at the moment?

i still find it hard to get a decent continous recording because i'm most of the time running into frameskipping due to full buffers.

to me it seems the card is slower than it should be..

@1%: do i have to re-update the .fir when the camera goes into sleep/standby?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 22, 2013, 10:01:18 AM
quality keeps getting better. with ML i have to learn eveything. I feel i have more control of footage now.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: bikas on September 22, 2013, 12:41:26 PM
How are you renaming .dng sequence? Because some softwares doesn't understand just numbers. Tried XnView - no luck.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kjetilengstrm on September 22, 2013, 01:38:55 PM
This might be a stupid question, but how do you upgrade to latest 1% build?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 22, 2013, 01:42:14 PM
This might be a stupid question, but how do you upgrade to latest 1% build?

With ease. Just overwrite the old ones. I usually delete everything.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: kjetilengstrm on September 22, 2013, 01:47:19 PM
With ease. Just overwrite the old ones. I usually delete everything.

Got it  ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 22, 2013, 01:49:09 PM
MLV = meta data + there is a player now.
Raw = no player but faster.

I don't mean to contradict, but I mentioned this before and nobody else seems to be experiencing this: In one of my card, the sandisk extreme pro rated at 60MB/s, I can record MLV peaking at 53-55MB/s but RAW only peaks at about 48-50MB/s. (MLV is faster)

Can anyone confirm? Any ideas what's going on? (running that latest bundle from 1%)

Also, defishing keeps giving me err70 now for some reason. I'll post crash log when I get the files out of my camera.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 22, 2013, 01:51:12 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0


http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987


Some workflow:

-Bootflag your camera

-Use EOSCard

-Update with the lastest version from 1% compile by britom

-In ML menu (module) choose RAW or MLV. In movie menu choose the resolution, start record.

-Use mlv2dng or raw2dng for you get the dng's files (depending on what you chose to record, raw or mlv)

-With the dng's open in after effects for work with them.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 22, 2013, 01:53:06 PM
I don't mean to contradict, but I mentioned this before and nobody else seems to be experiencing this: In one of my card, the sandisk extreme pro rated at 60MB/s, I can record MLV peaking at 53-55MB/s but RAW only peaks at about 48-50MB/s. (MLV is faster)

Can anyone confirm? Any ideas what's going on? (running that latest bundle from 1%)

Also, defishing keeps giving me err70 now for some reason. I'll post crash log when I get the files out of my camera.

This numbers that you get, using MLV is in "normal boot" or you make the update firmware??
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 22, 2013, 05:31:21 PM
Thats nowhere near maximum.

I just redid it and going to re-build soon w/ headphone on master and some of the memory stuff.

1728x1036, raw = 76-77MB/s, MLV = 74MB/s , both continuous. The uptake on mlv rec is faster tho, seems to start writing right away.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mburgst on September 22, 2013, 05:44:02 PM
i've been further testing the card and raw and it seems i can't get the card beyond around 73MB/s. is that ok or should the card deliver more throughput? with modes with a higher MB/s value the buffer fills up after some 1000 frames or so. as said the the value given in the resolution menu is quite correct - sadly sometimes..

10x zoom locked the cam. had to pull the batteries to reload the cam.

once had a lockup when entering the menu, changing the FPS and resultion and then starting recording. only happend in one out of 20 recordings.

tried different FPS and resolutions. could not reproduce the ERR message i got friday.

need to try raw + peaking again. but there's no peaking without global draw i guess?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 22, 2013, 07:11:57 PM
Quote
10x zoom locked the cam. had to pull the batteries to reload the cam.

Press play.


Quote
i can't get the card beyond around 73MB/s
Only way to break into the 80s is have no FPS override and record in that dead 10x mode.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: crazyd on September 22, 2013, 07:24:08 PM
The workflow is very easy.!!!

I'm using batchelor 3 to load footage from my card to my computer.

Check DNGs box. And GO!...

Open Resolve 9 and import footage folder for color correction. Render to quicktime uncompress.

And edited with PR cs 6.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mburgst on September 22, 2013, 07:29:16 PM
Press play.

ok, will try that. interestingly the cam/display stayed even on even when the cam was switched off - shutter went down, but the display was on.

Only way to break into the 80s is have no FPS override and record in that dead 10x mode.

so the card is fine? wish it was some megabytes faster to achieve some more resolution.. ^^ :-/

do you think we will be getting any closer to full hd resolution with the write speeds due to optimizations and such? i guess the write speed is already maxed out..?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 22, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Max is 91, mlv_rec will get better for sure, but we're missing ~10MB somewhere.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mburgst on September 22, 2013, 08:11:57 PM
Max is 91, mlv_rec will get better for sure, but we're missing ~10MB somewhere.

mlv rec only does 1728x694 and no more in y resolution? writing seems to be continous though.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 22, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
Change the aspect ratio... 1728x103X is continuous for me, the next size up (full) is hit or miss. I zoom mode you can do some 2k*something.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juantamad on September 23, 2013, 01:28:04 AM
Just a quick and dirty test 1% latest build 12:09:13
*NOTE* just STD quality in vimeo can't afford to pay Premium*
The quality is superved
Settings:
Resolution: 1728x972
Global Draw: OFF
FPS Overide: 23.976
Hacks: ON
Dialog Timers: OFF
Canon Menu: RAW Quality

As I observed this build, I have to reload all the time(The firmware to work properly without any error).
Tried changing the quality in Canon Menu from RAW to SJPEG quality.
RAW(ML Module):
SJPEG=74.8MB/s
MLV(ML Module):
SJPEG:=73.5
USING Lexar 64gb 1000x

Tested previous build from nick and g3gg0 MLV gave me wooping 81MB/s. (GLOBAL DRAW OFF)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 23, 2013, 05:07:17 AM
You only get 81 with no FPS override. Fir is for headphone/fps/etc, all the master stuff and you have to keep reloading it if you turn the camera off.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread - sync tone
Post by: tech411 on September 23, 2013, 05:10:09 AM
ML Raw for the 7D is awesome. See
.

Would be helpful for sound sync with external sound recorder to have 7D emit sync beep like the 5d version.

I thank everyone involved with this project and delight that the effort takes place on an open source platform.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 23, 2013, 05:11:55 AM
Turn on sync beep in the module. Make sure beep is on in the camera.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 23, 2013, 05:21:58 AM
Turn on sync beep in the module. Make sure beep is on in the camera.

How does it work? I'm fairly new at this :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: tech411 on September 23, 2013, 05:59:06 AM
Beep is on in camera.

<Enable beeps> in <Beep, Test Tones> is on

The 5D menu has a 'Sync Beep' setting that I could not find on the 7D.

Using the build from 'http://bit.ly/1auyDTd' referenced at http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 23, 2013, 06:25:43 AM
MLV doesn't have it, raw_rec does.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: juantamad on September 23, 2013, 09:26:53 AM
You only get 81 with no FPS override. Fir is for headphone/fps/etc, all the master stuff and you have to keep reloading it if you turn the camera off.
First of all Thank you for the new build, unfortunately "YES". Sorry for the lazy mistyping after turning OFF the camera using the "FIR"
I missed you ALL, sorry all I've been away for awhile(Cleaning the house)
Any idea when can we test your new magic build?

30/08/2013
nick.p's build with small hacks fixed with g3gg0 raw_rec that outputs .mlv files
http://nickpotts.com.au/downloads/ML_nick_g3gg0_30_Aug_2013_v4.zip

Beep is on in camera.


<Enable beeps> in <Beep, Test Tones> is on

The 5D menu has a 'Sync Beep' setting that I could not find on the 7D.

Using the build from 'http://bit.ly/1auyDTd' referenced at http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Movie/RAW video/Sound=Sync beep

How does it work? I'm fairly new at this :)
Sorry if I grab this from DAVE DUGDALE
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread - sync tone : )
Post by: tech411 on September 23, 2013, 02:37:01 PM
Getting much closer to being able to use second system sound with 7D Raw.

Got the tone, yea! Got a visual glitch in the video and need to verify that the glitch corresponds with the tone.

Tone is a bit low, okay on a quiet set. Would be an issue doing street filming. Fix could be to move the mike to the 7D speaker and then back to its mount. Two channel recorder, Olympus LS11, Juiced Link preamp and Rode Vid Mic Pro capturing stereo; so no extra channel for a lav pickup from the 7D speaker.

May just end up slating every shot since moving the mike slows down the shot, slate would be a bit quicker.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: drako3d on September 23, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Ok hello guys.I m a new owner of Canon 7D and newbie.I want to ask how can i record a video with my dslr
and transform it to raw files.I have install ML to my camera but when i shoot i get an H264 video and i think
that is not right and then when i use the HDR Workflow i have jpg sequence instead of dng sequence.
What i did wrong.Please HELP....THANKS A LOT...
   
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 04:24:07 PM
Ok hello guys.I m a new owner of Canon 7D and newbie.I want to ask how can i record a video with my dslr
and transform it to raw files.I have install ML to my camera but when i shoot i get an H264 video and i think
that is not right and then when i use the HDR Workflow i have jpg sequence instead of dng sequence.
What i did wrong.Please HELP....THANKS A LOT...
 

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: drako3d on September 23, 2013, 04:29:28 PM
hi arrinkiiii
you mean that the ML interface i see in the camera is not a good installation and i have to make
all this stuff to get raw files.I have see all these stuffs but i think that copy the ML in my card is all that i
have to do. Maybe im wrong.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 23, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
Done some shoots yesterday and I had several crashes in crop mode using 1% last build.

The screen started to flicker and then the camera crashed, I had to remove the battery each time to reboot the camera.

I'll check if I'll find some debug logs.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 23, 2013, 05:45:49 PM
With fir + fps override?

Or did it lock up on card full?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: danistuta on September 23, 2013, 06:20:19 PM
Hi, with mlv2dng is there a way to have a batch process to transform more clips together? Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
Hi, with mlv2dng is there a way to have a batch process to transform more clips together? Thanks.

I don't think that exist, at least for windows.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 23, 2013, 07:50:47 PM
I don't think that exist, at least for windows.

There's a roundabout way of using mlv_dump to convert them to .raw but I couldn't get mlv_dump to work. :(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Walter Schulz on September 23, 2013, 08:04:04 PM
I don't think that exist, at least for windows.

I'm on vacation with a very limited netbook and haven't tested mlv2dng. But one thing I know is command line batching in Windows. Give me the command line switches for mlv2dng, please.

Ciao
Walter
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
There's a roundabout way of using mlv_dump to convert them to .raw but I couldn't get mlv_dump to work. :(

Never used, hope some dev make some app to do more then one file with MLV. Waiting for that  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: danistuta on September 23, 2013, 11:17:30 PM
A question...in rec mode doing .mlv, is it possible to see white rectangle with frame dimension?
I can see it only before, but not during recording.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 11:21:23 PM
A question...in rec mode doing .mlv, is it possible to see white rectangle with frame dimension?
I can see it only before, but not during recording.

Normally yes, you should. But some times just show up after a little time you press rec button.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: derkiki on September 23, 2013, 11:43:10 PM
Sorry for not reading every post, I have a 50D. We have a shoot on thursday and friday with my 50D and a 7D. Is the 7D build stable enough or should I stick to H264?

Many thanks in advance.
derkiki
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 23, 2013, 11:53:20 PM
Uhmmmm... i think you can record safety... but for sure that you will found some error/crash's. For mega professional work maybe is a little risk.  I think the best is experiment at home, record and record until you fill comfortable to see if is reliable or not.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 12:23:49 AM
Yes, please please please test at home first.

I've been writing my card over and over today, trying to squeeze a little more write speed out.
The issues I found so far:

Raw Rec: Card full = frame corruption at the end, it warns you. No freeze.
MLV: has disabled the corrupt frame check... it freezes on card full. You have to pull the battery. File seems to be written out all the way. Indicators roll over at ~45GB of continuous file.
Frame #2 (and only frame #2) tends to be messed up in MLV as well.

I think I need to find a way to force update the file catalog after recording is finished... it will tell you there are 8gb free but probably like 2gb free in reality, etc. I'd stop at ~13 minutes with an empty 64GB card.

I switched to write edmac 0x6, did we do this before?.. I'm getting lower total throughput (no 80s in 30P) but higher average + faster ramp up. After 1 record, fullHD LV is continuous @ 79.1 MB/s... MLV & RAW_REC.




Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 24, 2013, 01:05:15 AM
After 1 record, fullHD LV is continuous @ 79.1 MB/s... MLV & RAW_REC.

Is needed to warm up the card?




Yesterday i have record normal h.264 and it freeze a lot the camera, need to take out the battery. Tomorrow will make more tests for see if persist. 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 24, 2013, 01:49:09 AM
With fir + fps override?


yes I forgot to write it, but that's with FPS override enabled
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 01:58:53 AM
Quote
Is needed to warm up the card?

You can, I just do a record first.

H264 hasn't been touched, FPS override?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 24, 2013, 02:08:17 AM
Its show me the warning for FPS override on turn on camera but this happen with regular autoexec.bat  not with firmware update version.

The crash is, everything stop working (freeze with image). Disconnect camera and image still on, needed to take battery.  Tomorrow will make more tests to see if happen again, yesterday it happen 3 or 4 times... the first time i think the camera out-disconnect, at least the mirror close and freeze, went to see in canon menu and is off for the option disconnect after chosen time.

And the rest of the times is just freeze after record a few seconds. Tomorrow will check again and more accurate report  :D 


Wend i use 5x zoom for record, it say 2560 is not possible in current video mode (max 2512) but i just got 2048 under it. The max in zoom mode is 2048? 2K and not 2.5k ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 24, 2013, 02:36:03 AM
Hey 1%, edmac 0x6 and 0x06 are the same?. I had tried in edmac 06, and tested only at 1728xwhatever 2:39 ratio... when recording the screen became ultra slow and nothing was written to the cf untill the buffer went full, then it started writing the buffer to cf, all corrupt frames. So for me only 04 and 05 have worked. I have tested Tested from 00 to 06, 10 to 16 and 20 to 21. Maybe i'm missing something because i do not have full understanding of what i'm doing, so if someone can share some link or advice would be great.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 03:08:48 AM
Quote
The crash is, everything stop working (freeze with image). Disconnect camera and image still on, needed to take battery.

Yea, I can replicate it... the problem is from the new memory management. Prev bin didn't have this. Video hacks + other stuff on the master messes with H264. I didn't notice since I've been testing the raw. Prev bin with old memory management is free of this.

Quote
edmac_write_chan = 0x06;
I'm not seeing any corrupt frames except frame 2 on occasion with 30P.


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 24, 2013, 03:15:13 AM
Me neder... only yesterday triyng an steadycam from a friend i noted this. Some times (maybe the majority of the times) i must record with h264... or is because is a bad paying job or is a happybirstday of a friend. But i think for that cases i can just not load ML   

All good for the sake of raw   ...of course if this can be fix, better  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 03:55:07 AM
Previous bin was OK afaik, I tried it reproducing the bug.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 24, 2013, 04:11:53 AM
Hey 1%, I tried with your latest code changes (https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/) and it works great with the mlv_rec but with raw_rec the write speed decreased 15 mb/s.
Not a single pink frame, so great work! I hope you release another build with the signed fir soon so we can play with it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 04:16:21 AM
Weird, yea, MLV has been out performing raw_rec on 7D today.. but not on 50D.  I didn't notice any drop from the edmac but it does seem slower over all after memory changes when MLV is not.

Signed bins are broken for H264 as you can see above.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 24, 2013, 04:18:46 AM
I hope you release another build with the signed fir soon so we can play with it.
+1 
Also I noticed things like autoexec-fir and autoexec-fir.bin files in the platform directory.  Is this where the .fir file is created?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 04:23:07 AM
Yea, if you make 7DFIR you get the 2 files but you can't sign/combine them.

I released a later one than popstop and it should work if you're only interested in raw. I can make another with the edmac change too.

So this is what I found:

Raw_rec, no FPS, no zoom, timers off, better performance, records full LV.
Raw_rec FPS/timers off 5x or 10x, worse performance

MLV, better all around except the occasional pink at the beginning.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 24, 2013, 05:00:25 AM
@1%

When you say full LV, does that mean improved/higher horizontal resolution that the 1728 ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 24, 2013, 06:39:16 AM
1728x1156, the full image.

Raw_rec
0x5 - better in 5x/10x 1280x1200 continuous here, not on the other
0x6 - better in 1x + MLV overall, maybe fps override too?

Its pretty noticeable.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 24, 2013, 07:09:31 AM
1728x1156, the full image.


got that. I'm getting varying results at that resolution first got 700+ frames then 300+ then after awhile the LV when crazy,
I heard the mirror come down,
the LV image was frozen and the menu/screen info flashing erratically.

On the top screen of the cam an ERR message flashing . no number just ERR,
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 24, 2013, 10:41:52 AM
1% whats
[7D]MasterHeadphone.zip???

thx can u just update my current built
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 24, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
got that. I'm getting varying results at that resolution first got 700+ frames then 300+ then after awhile the LV when crazy,
I heard the mirror come down,
the LV image was frozen and the menu/screen info flashing erratically.

On the top screen of the cam an ERR message flashing . no number just ERR,

This is exactly the bug that I had.


And can someone try to compile the last 1% version ("Bump edmac on 7D up to 0x06... Now I can record fullHD LV continuously.")?
Thanks :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: danistuta on September 24, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
This is my test:


Let me know!

Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mrnv45 on September 24, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
i cant find a good converter for MLV none recognize the file.?

can some one tell me a good converter for MAC?

Which one is Better .RAW or .MLV?



also i get only 1472x626 force 24/fps  with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio  on my LEXAS PROFESSIONAL 400x 32gb UDMA CF card.

thats as high as i can go continuous.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 12:12:28 AM
I think we can have the cake and eat it too:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/d92e590b69620394782eed4b272cc14e9d5563e9

Dunno if there are any issues with this yet, so far no.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 25, 2013, 01:39:55 AM
let's have a taste of that sweet confection.  :P
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: derkiki on September 25, 2013, 01:45:59 AM
You're my hero 1%! I'm willing to take a risk because I have a 550d as an h264 backup. Will test before. I have 2 32gb Komputerbays, one's behaving like a naughty child. Can you sum up for me real quick how to install on the 7D. Again, sorry, but I can't read all the posts because I have to prepare for the shoot.

Thanks also arrinkiii, love your Marley. Here's a track I recorded with my brother and some friends:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33739909/German.mp3

Thanks everyone else too. Will post results.


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: derkiki on September 25, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
This is my test:


Let me know!

Thanks.

Looks great! How did you get the turtle to do what you want?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 02:00:05 AM
I think we can have the cake and eat it too:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/d92e590b69620394782eed4b272cc14e9d5563e9

Dunno if there are any issues with this yet, so far no.

I have the munchies   ::)


You're my hero 1%! I'm willing to take a risk because I have a 550d as an h264 backup. Will test before. I have 2 32gb Komputerbays, one's behaving like a naughty child. Can you sum up for me real quick how to install on the 7D. Again, sorry, but I can't read all the posts because I have to prepare for the shoot.

Thanks also arrinkiii, love your Marley. Here's a track I recorded with my brother and some friends:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33739909/German.mp3

Thanks everyone else too. Will post results.

Nice rec  :D good family!

Use this

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0

And for the updates roll with this

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 02:04:35 AM
I think we can have the cake and eat it too:
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/d92e590b69620394782eed4b272cc14e9d5563e9

Dunno if there are any issues with this yet, so far no.

This is this?

Only load one raw module. mlv or raw_rec

The next signed build will happen when I figure out the memory error so you can have
headphone/videohacks/fps without it crashing.

Maybe edmac 05 for fir an 06 for bin so you can record full LV on the bin and zoom mode + fps in the fir?

I think soon we will have a build with the fir and bin updated from britom  ;D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 02:54:44 AM
Thanks wheezel  8)

@derkiki Just give you the links for install the new updates. And in the same time give some info for the 7D users to know what's going one. I already have the new compilation, do you?

Let's go people, no time for S*** ...this is getting better and better  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 25, 2013, 03:16:03 AM
I think derkiki was just trying to be an asshole. Anyway, here's a build with the latest changes. Is not signed so fps override and video hacks do not work in this release. When i tested i got no more memory errors and everything is working ok with mlv_rec.
Again big thanks to 1% for his hard work. I'm also wondering if reslock can be fixed to work with this camera or if dual digic is making this harder to achieve.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987

Edit: Sorry about the "asshole" thing, English is not my mother tongue so i misunderstood you.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 25, 2013, 03:22:37 AM
When reading 1%'s code, suddenly something comes into my mind. Is it possible to load the whole ML thing into the system memory so to eliminate the need to refer back to CF--assuming that it is the case now, because I don't know if all CF card can do read and write simultaneously
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 03:44:33 AM
The bin is copied to ram so it only reads at the beginning.

Reslock is supposed to be working.. but it says a lot of edmacs are free, I'm guessing its working on one digic. Its cool I guess because the gui is on there and it does most of the pink frames but the other one might not be?

H264 works in unsigned so really you still wouldn't be without it unless you only boot the fir.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: derkiki on September 25, 2013, 05:02:11 AM
Thanks wheezel  8)

@derkiki Just give you the links for install the new updates. And in the same time give some info for the 7D users to know what's going one. I already have the new compilation, do you?

Let's go people, no time for S*** ...this is getting better and better  :D
I think I love you.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: derkiki on September 25, 2013, 05:09:11 AM
@britom a freshman calls a new user an asshole? Thanks Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 06:00:48 AM
Love you to dude

@1%
File Manager is not/don't working with mlv files? Thanks for the update and thank you britom for the build  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 25, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
Greetings I'm having problems when shooting from build "[7D] PopStop" in MLV
any help?
or any new build?
P.D: Attached Image

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Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 06:28:04 AM
Latest updates you can find here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987   
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Jared on September 25, 2013, 06:34:38 AM
Latest updates you can find here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7987



THANX @ARRINKI ... have any idea of this problem when i shooting in mlv?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
Looks like a corrupted frame, with new build i think you will not have such problem  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 07:29:59 AM
MLV I dunno if I'd trust. I've yet to see a bad frame from raw_rec.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 25, 2013, 07:56:24 AM
tested the latest build.

2 clips where i was able to start and stop recording -No errors.

1 clip where the recording stopped due to card full had approx 30 corrupt frames in the end.

is this normal behavior?

Continuous recording 1728 x 1036.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: immortalartscom on September 25, 2013, 02:15:23 PM
Hi folks!

i love filming but lost the fun filming with 7D because of its imagequality... now ML Raw is so exciting i love it! i installed it and took my camera with me to test it. here are the results. i compared 1:1 superflat/1.7K-RAW/2.5K-RAW. please download original from vimeo. i also have put some 1:1 pixel frame comparisons under the video on my homepage. use the slider and drag it to left and right to see the difference.

hope you like it or it helps in some way.

Here are the comparison images and video:
http://www.immortal-arts.at/?page_id=3507 (http://www.immortal-arts.at/?page_id=3507)

here is just the video:


BTW. my card (32GB Kingston ULTIMATE 600x) is too slow. when i hold the camera 100% still and there is less movement in the image there are no pink errors in the image. when i move it fast or the imagecontent changes very much then the errors come. i allready have ordered the 1000x 32GB card everyone recomends. i hope that i can shoot 250f @ 2.5K without errors!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 25, 2013, 02:17:27 PM
I'm curious as to how accurate the reported speed is during recording.  I'm also curious as to wether some frame sizes write to a particular model of card better (sort of like how the cards often perform better in different parts of the benchmark based on write size).

I'm using a Sandisk 16GB Extreme Pro (60 MB/s).

I'm having difficulty producing results with any consistency but using raw_rec with global draw off I have seen writes of up to 59.6MB/s on this card (yay!)

However I'm not really sure how to go about achieving this on a regular basis.  Often a resolution and frame rate that should fall below the maximum performs worse.  For instance if I try to record at 57 MB/s the card will only do 55 but if I ask for 62 it will do up to 59.  Obviously 62 is not possible :)    I'm just wondering if there is anything obvious I am missing here while I am testing.

I've also noticed that buffer fill method is available in mlv_rec but not raw-rec.   Is this setting unneeded in raw_rec?

If anyone with the same card is interested:

raw_rec.mo
1664x936 (16:9)
Global Draw: Off
Preview: Auto
Card Warm-up: 256 MB
Extra Hacks: On

Framerate: 24
FPS Override: Off

This is 1x from the .bin 

Sometimes it will only reach about 54MB/sec but if I stop it and start again immediately it will go to 59.x   (Perhaps this is working similarly to a warmup?)
On some runs it appears to hit about 59.5 and stay there, other times it seems to go between 57.5 and 59.  It will often start at 54 or so and slowly work its way up to 59.

Like I said I don't know what I should do in my testing to try and get some consistency so any advice would be appreciated.


I just ran another "test" and with the same settings as above but mlv_rec.mo peaked at 59.8MB/sec using Buffer fill method 3.


EDIT:  Added more info.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 03:07:05 PM

ok, no MLV view in camera  8)


Thanks wheezl, i got the same card but only 8GB... going try with your settings and with buffer fill method 3 in MLV for see whats happen  :D
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 04:58:37 PM
Card speed is never 100% consistent. I'm surprised it gives you almost full advertised speed.


Card full will cause problems, I'd say stop right before.

Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 25, 2013, 05:02:51 PM
Say, is it possible that we can have some un-precooked RAW someday?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 05:09:37 PM
pre cooked?

I get ~200-250 of 2.5x1000. W/ FPS

Play with height and record in 10x and you get more.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 25, 2013, 05:20:17 PM
I remember somewhere A1ex have said that the RAW has some over-dark areas? A few pages ahead, if I understand correctly.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 05:21:56 PM
Looks the same as other raw to me... maybe a little more CA than others but that could be my lenses.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Abstrak on September 25, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
Hey guys sorry if this has been posted. My eyes and words are starting to blur together after 100+ pages. Im gettin my used 7d this weekend I have a 60 currently. To clarify the 64gb 1000x works good but the 128gb 1050x are good as well or no?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 25, 2013, 05:30:11 PM
One thought, I don't know how you get the raw data from, 10x zoom might suggest that it might be that the full resolution is filling that buffer, so the buffer that you guys set to capture raw might be wrong size--just wild guess.

Cheers
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 05:38:21 PM
10x = 5x with a hobbled YUV buffer so like real hacked mode on cameras which support it. If you do ML grayscale you can see the image too.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 25, 2013, 05:41:33 PM
Card speed is never 100% consistent. I'm surprised it gives you almost full advertised speed.


Card full will cause problems, I'd say stop right before.

I'm actually overjoyed with the speed so I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to figure out if what I am seeing is real and how to most easily replicate it.  Right now 1600x900 manages to hit Continuous after a few seconds so my current "record" of 60.2MB/s peak with this card isn't terribly important to me from a usability standpoint.

I'm just trying to collect information that might be useful to others.


EDIT:   Hahaha "New Record"
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: wheezl on September 25, 2013, 05:53:56 PM
ok, no MLV view in camera  8)


Thanks wheezl, i got the same card but only 8GB... going try with your settings and with buffer fill method 3 in MLV for see whats happen  :D

I've also found I can sometimes ride the buffer at 1728x864 (2:1) until the card fills.  So not technically continuous recording but more or less equivalent when you have a smaller card like we do ;)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
Thank you  :D  Hope the end of this month i will get a 32gb 1000x 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 25, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
Is there any way of implementing some kind of warning when the card is almost full?... like a beep sound when there's 500mb left for example...
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on September 25, 2013, 07:06:10 PM
Yes, you only have to keep track of all FIO_WriteFile calls (maybe also FIO_RemoveFile).

Or figure out how to ask Canon code to recompute the free space.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 07:48:38 PM
There has to be some kind of re-update file catalog function, you probably couldn't do it while recording but would work after. It has to do something like that after taking a pic.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: PANDETTA on September 25, 2013, 08:47:42 PM
Looks like a corrupted frame, with new build i think you will not have such problem  :)
funny, i use the 12/9 build, mlv module and i get corrupted frames every time, but mines look like this
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-kVn5HdNoWds%2FUkMs_5LpBTI%2FAAAAAAAAAgc%2Fg8grjqdI_-E%2Fw1314-h739-no%2FM23-2121_00013.jpg&hash=320de277c13b589df06bcb0c354eb77a)
@Jared's look like his turned on false color

I use Transcend 1000x 32gb card, does it mean my card is too slow if I get corrupted frames?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 08:56:21 PM
Yea, MLV is not corrupt frame proof at all. Made worse on a slower card... on 50D I get those in the middle of shots, on 7D usually at the beginning even with 1000x.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 25, 2013, 08:56:52 PM
Greetings I'm having problems when shooting from build "[7D] PopStop" in MLV
any help?
or any new build?
P.D: Attached Image


Indeed, not corrupt frame. Maybe from raw2dng or mlv2dng? Did you try the new build - 24 September if it does the same thing?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: m1ke on September 25, 2013, 09:01:41 PM
If you know the free space before you begin recording and the image size and framerate, could you calculate the number of frames you have room for and stop the recording just before that?


Yes, you only have to keep track of all FIO_WriteFile calls (maybe also FIO_RemoveFile).

Or figure out how to ask Canon code to recompute the free space.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: a1ex on September 25, 2013, 09:05:15 PM
You don't really know it.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 25, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
There might be a way to delete stuff while freeing up the space in the FC/FM fuctions... creating is still a problem.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: bryantbural on September 26, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Excuse me for being a noob, but what is the difference between normal raw-rec and the MLV module? Not quite sure what pro's and con's of each of them are.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: vnguyen972 on September 26, 2013, 08:25:48 AM
Excuse me for being a noob, but what is the difference between normal raw-rec and the MLV module? Not quite sure what pro's and con's of each of them are.

They're pretty much the same. MLV can store more other info and is a new format but some has shown that it was written a bit faster than RAW too, but yeah for the most part, they're pretty much the same.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: PANDETTA on September 26, 2013, 09:36:16 AM
They're pretty much the same. MLV can store more other info and is a new format but some has shown that it was written a bit faster than RAW too, but yeah for the most part, they're pretty much the same.
Interesting, although mlv writes faster, i seem to get more corrupted frames with mlv than raw.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: alsey7 on September 26, 2013, 10:05:41 AM
mlv in my opinion is still too young in its development. Raw_rec on 7D with britom and 1% built i have yet to get a pink frame. I think i'll be happy now. I have  a few projects to work on and I will not shoot in MLV. not just yet
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: gcbotas on September 26, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
Just having a lot of fun with ML



Thanks a lot !
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mrnv45 on September 26, 2013, 10:24:29 PM
A long video mostly outside stuff on 5500k w/b. + 100-250 + f/9 + iso 250   in .raw format
rawmagic + lightroom +fcpx (color correction)


Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on September 27, 2013, 04:33:59 AM
Max is 91, mlv_rec will get better for sure, but we're missing ~10MB somewhere.
Pardon my ignorance, but where did you get this number? I thought I recall seeing some ~100 MB/sec benchmarks on the 1000x cards. I understand the caveat of GD and other overhead associated with the features of ML.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on September 27, 2013, 04:43:06 AM
I know most of those on here are playing with video and have any number of NLEs at their disposal, collectively that is. I'm just a very technical user who's been doing still photography for some time, though I've wanted to contribute to the development if I can. I happen to purchase a VAF-7D before a vacation last yer and I've not seen a RAW test with and without the VAF on our camera. I have the videos at home with a post ready to go, almost. I'll post it up in a few hours. Until then, here are two DNGs to PNGs that I then used to make the video. Details to come...

Without VAF (http://mobrienphoto.com/Misc-Pics/Casual/ML/VAF-N-000080.png)
With VAF (http://mobrienphoto.com/Misc-Pics/Casual/ML/VAF-Y-000080.png)

Enjoy pixel peeping, though please keep in mind I minimized the aliased pixels during my RAW conversion process.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread - 7D-VAF pngs
Post by: tech411 on September 27, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
Thanks for posting the A/B pngs!

What the stills do not show is the shot destroying moving moire that appears in scenes with regular geometric features - roofs, walls, fabric, stairs, collections of linear features, et al. The 7D-VAF minimizes these visual distractions. The frame content does soften a bit, but this is not a bad thing. You can get back some of the acuity with sharpening if needed.

The combo of ML 7D raw and ME's filter makes the 7D a big league competitor. I'm hoping to do a feature with this tech, done with shorts.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on September 27, 2013, 10:00:23 PM
I used britom's 12/09/2013 build of ML for recording this test.

I know I'm not active much on here and I wish I can contribute more so here is what I've done. I have the SanDisk UDMA 6/60 MB/sec,  16 GB card so I'm a little limited on card speeds but I do get a solid 50-55 MB/sec on it so it works well enough. I've been playing with the official RAW module and the bleeding edge one from britom and I have a VAF-7D  8) but no I am not using an NLE; just my Mac and my Linux server.  I recorded ~200 frames with and w/o the VAF-7D, critically focused both, to see how well the VAF works and how much fine detail resolution is lost.

These recordings were done about 2 minutes apart, roughly 200 frames each, on the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 (first version of the lens) @ f/11, ISO 100, with a shutter of 1/48th w/o FPS override. I'm comfortable using this lens on my 7D and doing large prints so using it for 2 MP video isn't a concern. I intentionally overexposed by 2/3rds of a stop, processed the DNG's with RawTherapee with highly tweaked/customized settings to extract as much detail as I felt possible and up-res'ing them to 1920x1080. From testing with Photoshop and RawTherapee I determined it was best to 'bake' the sharpening(1) with RT and upsize it in the export instead of doing a separate resize & resharpen with Photoshop. I then passed the PNGs to mencoder (it doesn't play well with tiffs) and x264 to produce the following video tests.

Combined video: MOV (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Compare.mov), AVI (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Compare.avi)
Without VAF: MOV (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.mov), AVI (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.avi)
With VAF: MOV (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.mov), AVI (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.avi)

VAF-N PNGs (704 MiB zip) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.zip)
MD5: b5d7bf9af890e72cf277201e5f6bb51a
VAF-Y PNGs (670 MiB zip) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.zip)
MD5: 75f81070184c41b56179d72f52a41cf7

Note 1: One possible pitfall of the test I did is that I apply the exact same settings to both shots. I previously pixel-peeped and fine tuned the detail and sharpening settings with frames using the VAF. As the non-VAF shot is inherently sharper, there is some minor over-sharpening.

Personal note: I own Photoshop CS5 and Lightroom 4. LR4 is a very nice piece of software and can produced stunning results with it's amazing tonal controls. However, it doesn't have the fine tune capability required to try and mask out or minimize the aliasing caused by pixel binning and line skipping. As such, I decided to used RawTherapee which has such controls. If you'd like to see what I've done with the fine details and you have RawTherapee, have a look at this file (http://"http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/Settings.pp3"). In future, I think I'll export TIFFs and use LR4 for the effective "grading" until I decide to get a decent NLE.

To encode the PNGs with x264 via mencoder, I used the following settings:
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mencoder mf://*.png -mf fps=23.976 -o ./VAF-Compare.avi -aspect 16:9 -msglevel all=0:vfilter=4:statusline=5 -ovc x264 -x264encopts crf=20:frameref=8:cabac:level_idc=51:subq=9:threads=0:nofast_pskip:keyint=72:keyint_min=12:rc_lookahead=48:deblock=-3,-3:partitions=all:me=umh:bframes=5:aq_strength=1.2:deadzone_inter=13:deadzone_intra=7:qcomp=0.8 -oac copy


Edit: The x264 settings are such that the video is compressed with a constant rate factor, which is analogous to a constant quality level.

To get .mov files I demuxed with mp4box (part of the gpack package)
Code: [Select]
mp4box -aviraw video <input file>.aviand then muxed with mencoder since I've had problems with mp4box's muxing
Code: [Select]
mencoder <input>.h264 -o <output>.mov -of lavf -oac copy -ovc copy
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on September 27, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
I suppose it would be helpful to provide the .MLVs...
VAF-N.MLV: bzip'd tar (~522 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.MLV.tbz), zip (~552 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-N.MLV.zip)
VAF-Y.MLV: bzip'd tar (~552 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.MLV.tbz), zip (~586 MiB) (http://mobrienphoto.com/Video/ML/VAF-Test-1/VAF-Y.MLV.tbz)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 27, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but where did you get this number?

Benchmark in photo mode. I'm seeing no 100s, who has besides 5DIII?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on September 27, 2013, 11:00:17 PM
Benchmark in photo mode. I'm seeing no 100s, who has besides 5DIII?
When I went back to look a week or two ago, the screen shot (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.msg63903#msg63903) wasn't up anymore  :(. Anyhow, I'll pick up one of those cards when funds permit.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Digital Corpus on September 27, 2013, 11:09:30 PM
All of my links are fixed. Sorry, that I made them incorrectly. I'm used to other forums requiring the url to be encapsulated with double quotes.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 28, 2013, 12:44:40 AM

Thanks Digital Corpus for this tests  :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: dpmaia on September 28, 2013, 05:34:52 AM
This VAF is truly amazing.. Couldn't resist and got one for me.  :)
I'll put some footage here next week.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 28, 2013, 06:28:39 AM
@Digital corpus,

how does the 7D+VAF handle your widest lens at full open aperture?

the 1st ver. vaf i use on my 5D isn't so good with wides like the tokina 11-16 at 16mm from f2.8 up to f8. I only get sharp e to e starting at f11.

If it is good I might get one for my 7D as well. Try to test it on a chart if you have one or else a brick wall which covers the frame well and at perpendicular angle.
You might also try taping up newspapers on your wall so we can see the text e to e.

Try to see were the sweet spot is with the apertures.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 03:51:10 PM
Hi. Using last ML build. When switching off camera and changing memory cards, I need to extract battery to turn it on. Is it normal?
Can someone explain about crop mode and 1920 shooting. Thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 28, 2013, 04:14:16 PM
Hi. Using last ML build. When switching off camera and changing memory cards, I need to extract battery to turn it on. Also I tried to set 1920 resolution, but ML allow me to set it 1728 max. Is it normal? Can I shoot 1920 at all? Thanks.


Yes, the max in 1x is 1728 for over coming this you can record 2.5k max in 5x mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 04:19:27 PM
Thanks, already got it and change a previous post)
But what max resolution and in which mode 7d can now shoot?
Ill try to shoot MLV in crop 5x with fps override 1920 24p and it cant(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 28, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
Max in 1x = 1728
Max in 5x = 2.5k

Press the zoom button to get 5x and then press trash button to go to ML menu... there go to your raw setting and chose your desired resolution.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 04:39:13 PM
OK.
Ive got komputerbay 64GB 1000x and it overflowed very fast, when Im trying to rec in 1920. Slow exemplar?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 28, 2013, 04:49:29 PM
Don't know why. But put the example maybe some one in the forum can help you with this. 
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 28, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
Find a resolution thats around 76-77 MB/s for zoom mode. The non crop is what H264 is made from so if you're not having a problem with aliasing/moire, try that.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 04:54:13 PM
Is a 80MB\s wright speed, that shows during rec, normal?  So, my card cant shoot 1080p 24 at crop mode, bcs it needs >83Mb/s speed. Right? And someone just luck enough to get faster card than mine?  :'(
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: arrinkiiii on September 28, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
Yes, i think is normal speed
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
Sorry, maybe Im too slow, but can someone shoot 1080p 24 at crop mode?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 28, 2013, 06:01:53 PM
Sorry, maybe Im too slow, but can someone shoot 1080p 24 at crop mode?
Yes, I can get about 700 frames at 1920x1080 at 24 fps.
You have to use the latest build from 1%
You have to do the Firmware Upgrade trick to get fps control
You have to set fps override to 23.976, with Exact FPS settings
In live View you have to press zoom to 5X and zoom again to 10X (this gives a little faster recording but kill LiveView)
Go back to ML enter RAW menu and change the Resolution to 1920x1080
Press Q , Trash button and then reocord.

I can get continuous recording if I use a different Aspect Ratio like 2:1 id 1920x960

I use Lexar pro 1000x card

For more information on recording cropped video go here:
How to record: -- RAW Digital Cropped Video 30/24fps on 5D3 & others--
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mityazabuben on September 28, 2013, 06:08:17 PM
Cool, thanks.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 28, 2013, 08:29:35 PM
I got FPS working from slave (since master isn't even booting for me now).. not for H264 yet. With the new edmacs I get 1920x1038 cont at 79.x mb/s in zoom mode.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 28, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
Press the zoom button to get 5x and then press trash button to go to ML menu... there go to your raw setting and chose your desired resolution.

@1%: Is there a way to modify ML in order to be able to set crop mode settings without being in x5 mode?

I got FPS working from slave (since master isn't even booting for me now).. not for H264 yet. With the new edmacs I get 1920x1038 cont at 79.x mb/s in zoom mode.

Nice!
but is "since master isn't even booting for me now" a big problem?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: britom on September 28, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Fps seems to be more stable now... good work!

Maybe this means that slave processor has access to the same features as the master.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 28, 2013, 10:56:04 PM
I got FPS working from slave (since master isn't even booting for me now).. not for H264 yet. With the new edmacs I get 1920x1038 cont at 79.x mb/s in zoom mode.
My hat off to you!  I am hitting 81 MB/s at 10X with FPS override at 1920x1080 and 2K at 24 fps.  No pink frames either... Did get a missing footer error message..
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 29, 2013, 12:32:08 AM
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Did get a missing footer error message..

Yea, always at the end of the card. Or worse it freezes. :(

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Maybe this means that slave processor has access to the same features as the master.

Its split 1/2 and half... kinda. They doubled some stuff or only put a hint to it on the slave and then the real working address/functinon will be on the master. Its like you had 2 5DII's and only one connected to the sensor/lens mount.

If I figure out how to access some of the lower addresses then its going to get pretty good (HDR, headphone, H264FPS). You can also call functions (so far only by name) on master from slave so if there is something like shamem_write we're golden for the cached addresses.

I dunno why g3gg0 used IPC bulk vs ipc quick. Its exactly the same but seems quicker.

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but is "since master isn't even booting for me now" a big problem?

A little bit. No video hacks/vignetting/etc.

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@1%: Is there a way to modify ML in order to be able to set crop mode settings without being in x5 mode?

They're distinct modes so you can't really set 5x and and not be in 5x. There is some LV_MAGNIFY factory stuff but you'd just be in a 5x that you can't leave with the zoom button.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: Deem on September 29, 2013, 02:01:38 AM
7D raw test :)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 29, 2013, 12:40:57 PM
Thanks for your answers :)

(and btw your work & time  :-* )
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 29, 2013, 01:43:24 PM
Just noticed that with the last 2 builds, the back red led ("access lamp") is constantly blinking... excepted when I pop up the ML menu.

Strange :/
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 29, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
Sticky something is on? Maybe some ML assert is tripped? I compiled last night and get no blinking.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 29, 2013, 07:07:29 PM
Time for a little update of 7D raw recording capabilities:
ONLY TESTED raw_rec module:
Lexar 1000X with todays built from 1% https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
Did not use fir update since FPS override now works without it!

1728x972 at 24 fps - Continuous Recording
1728x972 at 30fsp - 79 MB/s up to 1800 frames (60 seconds)

Cropped video mode (5X) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 80.3 MB/s 2000 frames (66 seconds)
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 79.7 MB/sec 205 frames (6.8 seconds)

Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 30 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Up to 81.6 MB/s 3000 frames (100 seconds)
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 81.6 MB/sec 215 frames (7 seconds)

Cropped video mode (5X) at 24 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Continuous recording
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 80 MB/sec 390 frames (16 seconds)

Cropped video mode (5X-but at 10X frozen zoom) at 24 fps
1728x972 at 30 fps - Continuous recording
2048x1152 at 30 fps - Up to 81.3 MB/sec 470 frames (20 seconds)

60 fps video
1728x694 - Up to 69 MB/s 330 frames (5.5 seconds)
1472x592 - Up to 69.6 MB/s 990 frames (16.5 seconds)
1408x566 - Up to 69.3- MB/s 1670 frames (27.8 seconds)
1344x540 - Up to 69.6- MB/s 5223 frames (87 seconds)
1280x514 - Continuous

50 fps video
1728x694 - Up to 70 MB/s 464 frames (9 seconds)
1472x592 - Up to 70.3 MB/s 5235 frames (87 seconds)
1408x566 - Continuous

These are the fastest recording speeds for 7D!!
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 29, 2013, 07:28:04 PM
I like 1728x1152 or 56... wish there was a moire detector tho.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: sml1187 on September 29, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
How i record in 10x crop mode with 24/09/2013 britom's build?liveview freeze when i try to go in 10x
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 29, 2013, 08:40:53 PM
How i record in 10x crop mode with 24/09/2013 britom's build?liveview freeze when i try to go in 10x
Actually the recording is really 5X, but I am going to 10x so LV freezes and allows for faster recording at 5X
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ted ramasola on September 29, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
In current build does 10x also freeze the image via HDMI out ?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: JCBEos on September 29, 2013, 10:09:45 PM
Sticky something is on? Maybe some ML assert is tripped? I compiled last night and get no blinking.

Ok now it's gone... I maybee need to stop playin with menus... or stop drinking. Or both  ::)
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: ulysnep on September 30, 2013, 12:00:02 AM
Time for a little update of 7D raw recording capabilities:

Thanks Renato for posting your benchmarks! I recently purchased a KomputerBay 32gb x1000 and I was only getting between 48-60 MB/s so I returned it and bought a Lexar 32gb x1000. I became a little disappointed when I maxed out at ~80 MB/s. I was under the impression everyone was getting in the 100 MB/s range.

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Lexar 1000X with todays built from 1% https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits
Did not use fir update since FPS override now works without it!

Is there a newer MLV_REC or did you have to compile something?
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 30, 2013, 01:55:47 AM
I became a little disappointed when I maxed out at ~80 MB/s. I was under the impression everyone was getting in the 100 MB/s range.
100 MB/s only possible on 5D3

Is there a newer MLV_REC or did you have to compile something?

I compiled myself but only tested raw_rec module..  mlv_rec should be similar
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: feureau on September 30, 2013, 02:57:34 AM
I compiled myself but only tested raw_rec module..  mlv_rec should be similar

Can you post the bundle please? :3
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: mucher on September 30, 2013, 03:37:16 AM
I was a little upset about  the vertical lines in RAW, its obvious pattern apparently indicated that those vertical lines were read related noise. But how come that the original CR2 doesn't have those vertical lines?

When reading raw.c and raw.h, some questions popped up into my mind. One of the biggest one of them is  like that, why the ev values are in float? Aren't EV values are in unsigned int instead? But I was not familiar with coding, image capturing and 7D project, so there was no immediate answer that I could find as the knowledge in these fields has failed me. Please forgive my ignorance.
Title: Re: 7D Raw Thread
Post by: 1% on September 30, 2013, 03:57:29 AM
Someone said the correction for 5DIII st