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Title: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 01:05:47 AM
5D mkII users ONLY please.

I am starting this thread to post test results on the compatibility of ML firmware and the high capacity 128 gig CF cards.

I am currently testing cards sent by KomputerBay techsupport to see issues and solutions on their 128 gig cards on 5dmkII.

Both are UDMA7 128.

one is version2 1000X
other is 1050X

Those who have these cards and are using it on 5D mkII can also share their experience on this thread, hopefully KB techsupport will also chime in and note our findings.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 01:06:20 AM
INITIAL RESULTS

Using the 128 gig 1000x on 5DmkII and 7D

The CF card works normally under NORMAL canon firmware.
You can shoot stills and shoot h264 mov files with no problem.

Using the card to update canon firmware and ML firmware.

The camera will not detect any firmware on the card.

Tested loading canon v2.1.2 firmware,

the message appears:

update file cannot be found.
please check the memory card
and reload the battery and try again.


Tested loading ML unified 2.3 and same message appears.

Tested loading alpha for 7D and tried it on 7D camera, same message appears.

Tried making the CF card bootable using EOScard

ML is not loaded, checking canon menu shows firmware stays as 2.1.2.

Duplicated same tests on older cards and results are successful.


Testing the 1050X card has the same result.

The camera will not detect .FIR files on it. So firmware update cannot be done with the card.

using EOScard also does not work with 1050X card. It will not boot up with ML.



Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 01:09:59 AM
reserved for detailed tests.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: dude on July 25, 2013, 01:15:09 AM
That s great News!
Hopefully some if them will be aviable soon
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 01:37:08 AM
Cool. Let's hope we don't have to send our cards back. I'm still coming up empty on unified builds for the 50D.

Update firmware, installing ML, will never work with anything over 64GB  I'm told. So rather than attempting that, we both should focus on why these cards aren't allowing themselves to be boot flagged.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 01:42:42 AM
Quote from: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 01:37:08 AM
Cool. Let's hope we don't have to send our cards back. I'm still coming up empty on unified builds for the 50D.

Update firmware, installing ML, will never work with anything over 64GB  I'm told. So rather than attempting that, we both should focus on why these cards aren't allowing themselves to be boot flagged.

started another thread here asking if anyone has any success with 128 cards of other brands on the 5D2 .

Is the 64gig problem limited to the 5D2?

Are other brands of 128gig working on the 5D2 ?

Do lower speeds of 128 gig work on the 5D2 ?

These are also things I want to know.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 01:44:25 AM
Yes.

Update firmware / install won't work with these big cards. You have to copy the install from another card then boot flag the KB card.

Also, many people have had success on both the 50D and MKII using the above method. I think something's up with the memory allocation. Hopefully someone can chime in.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 01:46:29 AM
Quote from: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 01:44:25 AM
Yes.

Update firmware / install won't work with these big cards. You have to copy the install from another card then boot flag the KB card.

bootflag, is that what the EOScard app does? Making it bootable without inserting it to the camera?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 03:13:21 AM
Quote from: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 01:44:25 AM
Yes.

Update firmware / install won't work with these big cards. You have to copy the install from another card then boot flag the KB card.

Also, many people have had success on both the 50D and MKII using the above method. I think something's up with the memory allocation. Hopefully someone can chime in.

I second this, in the FAQ or user manual it says that it you can only use cards below 64GB.

I wanna test, I might get a 128GB, I wish I could swap my 32GB and financially compensate the vendor for a 128GB... I only get 5 min of footage!!!
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 05:43:33 AM
Quote from: dude on July 25, 2013, 01:15:09 AM
That s great News!
Hopefully some if them will be aviable soon

they are available already. The problem is, will it work on your 5DmkII ?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 05:47:23 AM
To be clear both 1000x and 1050x 128gig KB cards work on the 5dmkII running canon firmware.
It can store stills and mov h264 videos.

It CANT be used to update firmware, either from CANON or Magic Lantern.

5D2 cant read .FIR or the Autoexec .BIN files on the card even if using EOSCARD utility.

So These cards CAN'T BE USED FOR MAGIC LANTERN.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 06:00:23 AM
Quote from: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 05:47:23 AM
To be clear both 1000x and 1050x 128gig KB cards work on the 5dmkII running canon firmware.
It can store stills and mov h264 videos.

It CANT be used to update firmware, either from CANON or Magic Lantern.

5D2 cant read .FIR or the Autoexec .BIN files on the card even if using EOSCARD utility.

So These cards CAN'T BE USED FOR MAGIC LANTERN.

So the 128GB cards only work on the newer cameras?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:01:59 AM
Quote from: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 06:00:23 AM
So the 128GB cards only work on the newer cameras?

On the 5D mkIII , yes.

On my tests on the 5DmkII , I will not put a closure on it yet.

Tomorrow I will again be in touch with KB techsupport to see
if they still can do some workaround. If not then 64gig would be the max size for the 5D mkII.

I'm waiting for anyone here using 128 gig from another brand to chime in if they got it to work.

5D mkII + 128 CF card (any brand ) + Magic Lantern.

Anyone?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:07:16 AM
Did you try formatting it as FAT32?

http://discuss.howtogeek.com/t/how-can-i-format-a-128gb-usb-stick-to-fat32/3934/2
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:09:52 AM
Quote from: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:07:16 AM
Did you try formatting it as FAT32?

http://discuss.howtogeek.com/t/how-can-i-format-a-128gb-usb-stick-to-fat32/3934/2

Its already FAT32 after format in camera, I checked also in PC "My computer", properties say its FAT32.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:13:21 AM
will there be a difference if I format it on my PC as opposed to in-camera?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:15:51 AM
If you use a DOS prompt (command.com, not cmd.exe) and list the files, do you see AUTOEXEC.BIN?

Or, in cmd.exe, try dir /x (it should show AUTOEXEC.BIN, but it should not show long file names).

Does the camera boot when the card is bootable?

Yes, there is difference if you format the card on PC. Maybe cluster size or other stuff like that could make a difference (even creating a smaller partition is worth trying).
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:25:35 AM
Quote from: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:15:51 AM
If you use a DOS prompt (command.com, not cmd.exe) and list the files, do you see AUTOEXEC.BIN?

Or, in cmd.exe, try dir /x (it should show AUTOEXEC.BIN, but it should not show long file names).

Does the camera boot when the card is bootable?

Yes, there is difference if you format the card on PC. Maybe cluster size or other stuff like that could make a difference (even creating a smaller partition is worth trying).

Using cmd prompt and using dir command I can see the contents and  AUTOEXEC.BIN

Even when the card is bootable using EOScard, upon bootup, camera functions using Canon firmware.

Card functions normally, but not with ML. Also if i place CANON FIRMWARE on the card, the camera cannot see it.

Using lower capacity cards the camera can see it.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:28:46 AM
Screenshot please.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:35:09 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1085159_349649745165816_1545885112_o.jpg)
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:44:01 AM
Where's the /x ?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:53:02 AM
Quote from: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:44:01 AM
Where's the /x ?

oops. updated pic above.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:56:13 AM
Looks OK. Not sure what else to try, so just play with partitions, cluster size and stuff like that.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 06:58:30 AM
Quote from: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 06:56:13 AM
Looks OK. Not sure what else to try, so just play with partitions, cluster size and stuff like that.

any PC based apps you suggest I could use to format this card with? Win7 only gives exfat and ntfs options.

could i use disk manager to alter the partitions? but what could I use to format that in fat32
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 07:02:19 AM
I've posted a link above.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 07:03:14 AM
Quote from: a1ex on July 25, 2013, 07:02:19 AM
I've posted a link above.

the apps are linux, i burned the ISO to cd as mentioned in the link.


edit; Ok I got it.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:33:50 AM

I tried Format the cf card to fat32 in PC via guiformat.exe i got from the link posted.
then made it bootable by eoscard.
still won't boot ML up with ML.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:19:53 PM

With techsupport we tried changing partitions, also to downsize the card, no success.

We changed the size of card to 20+ gig formated it, ran eoscard, still the camera can't see the ML files.

Note that even firmware from CANON cannot be seen by camera when using the 128gig card.

we manually made the card bootable by placing mbr then adding ML files, the camera still cant see FIR files.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:19:53 PM
With techsupport we tried changing partitions, also to downsize the card, no success.

We changed the size of card to 20+ gig formated it, ran eoscard, still the camera can't see the ML files.

Note that even firmware from CANON cannot be seen by camera when using the 128gig card.

we manually made the card bootable by placing mbr then adding ML files, the camera still cant see FIR files.

I've seen other users use a 128GB KB on a 5D2. Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieTRtKOSDmI&feature=youtu.be. He's here on the forum too. He announced here that he uses a 128GB, so no typo.

When I emailed KB Tech Support they said that older versions of ML work with 128 GB cards on the 5D2. They said that the new versions don't work (obviously).

Also I suggest you should focus on getting ML to boot, not the firmware from Canon. ML already says that you can't install ML on cards 64GB or higher.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:31:56 PM
I've seen other users use a 128GB KB on a 5D2. Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieTRtKOSDmI&feature=youtu.be. He's here on the forum too. He announced here that he uses a 128GB, so no typo.

When I emailed KB Tech Support they said that older versions of ML work with 128 GB cards on the 5D2. They said that the new versions don't work (obviously).

Also I suggest you should focus on getting ML to boot, not the firmware from Canon. ML already says that you can't install ML on cards 64GB or higher.

I was able to install ML on my 5D2 using a 64gig 1000x Komputerbay CF card. Tested it recording also.

Using the Canon firmware is part of the troubleshooting process. By testing another fir file from the camera manufacturer themselves we've determined that its not only a ML fir file issue.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:39:39 PM
Quote from: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
I was able to install ML on my 5D2 using a 64gig 1000x Komputerbay CF card. Tested it recording also.

Using the Canon firmware is part of the troubleshooting process. By testing another fir file from the camera manufacturer themselves we've determined that its not only a ML fir file issue.

I know this already... Look try installing a older version of ML to test. Like a couple months ago, try a build done in May. See if ML will boot. That guy on the video had it done.

A response to your edit: How in the past though have people unlocked the bootloader and flashed canon firmware with the smaller cards and then have used the larger cards to actually install ML content and boot off of?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:40:59 PM
Quote from: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:39:39 PM
I know this already... Look try installing a older version of ML to test. Like a couple months ago, try a build done in May. See if ML will boot. That guy on the video had it done.

ok, I will test it.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 08:40:59 PM
ok, I will test it.

Good. The people (As I said a few posts ago) at KB told me that older versions of ML would work too...
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
Quote from: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:39:39 PM
How in the past though have people unlocked the bootloader and flashed canon firmware with the smaller cards and then have used the larger cards to actually install ML content and boot off of?

The confusion arises because the MKIII has a separate SD slot where the firmware loading process is happening and then writing to the 1050x card.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
I'll try some ML builds from May for the 50D and report back.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: djfremen on July 25, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
The confusion arises because the MKIII has a separate SD slot where the firmware loading process is happening and then writing to the 1050x card.

Oh so that's how they do it... Freakin genius... Waiting to hear back about the results...
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 08:43:04 PM
Good. The people (As I said a few posts ago) at KB told me that older versions of ML would work too...

doesnt work.

I even went as far as rolling back to Canon firmware 2.1.1 then install using ML from back in 2011. won't work with 128 gig cf.

I tried a Jul 21 NB as KB support suggest, based on someone saying it works. -won't work with 128 KB 1000x.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: ted ramasola on July 25, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
doesnt work.

I even went as far as rolling back to Canon firmware 2.1.1 then install using ML from back in 2011. won't work with 128 ccf.

I tried a Jul 21 NB as KB support suggest based on someone saying it works. -won't work with 128 KB 1000x.

Ok so this guy who filmed the clip I showed you (his vimeo name is the same as his forum name) by accident said the wrong capacity?
If a dev could pop by and explain the situation that would be great.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: djfremen on July 26, 2013, 06:16:49 AM
So we can potentially pay the difference for 2x 64GB which appear to be just as fast or faster than the 1050x, right?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xvince1 on August 09, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
Hi Ted

Just to say I just get today my 1050x 128Gb and get same message as you on 5D2. What I don't understand is that I have 3x128Gb from KB : one 600x which work fine with ML even with RAW at only 1280 and 2x 1000X (first version I think because the bitrate where around 60-65Mb/s) wich works fine too with ML (I got one died last week but it had worked fine to record RAW.

Now I record RAW on the last 128Gb 1000X KB i have, and it works very fine on my 5D2 (1880x854 continuously). I just contact KB support and come to you to have news about the 1050X series. I want to know if I have to send it back and take 2x64Gb or to wait for something new with 5D2.

I'm very surprised to be so lonely to use 2x 128Gb 1000x (and one 600x) KB CF with 5D2 without troubles with ML and RAW recording ???

May I help ?  :)
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on August 10, 2013, 01:43:21 AM
Quote from: xvince1 on August 09, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
Hi Ted

Just to say I just get today my 1050x 128Gb and get same message as you on 5D2. What I don't understand is that I have 3x128Gb from KB : one 600x which work fine with ML even with RAW at only 1280 and 2x 1000X (first version I think because the bitrate where around 60-65Mb/s) wich works fine too with ML (I got one died last week but it had worked fine to record RAW.

Now I record RAW on the last 128Gb 1000X KB i have, and it works very fine on my 5D2 (1880x854 continuously). I just contact KB support and come to you to have news about the 1050X series. I want to know if I have to send it back and take 2x64Gb or to wait for something new with 5D2.

I'm very surprised to be so lonely to use 2x 128Gb 1000x (and one 600x) KB CF with 5D2 without troubles with ML and RAW recording ???

May I help ?  :)

Hello xvince1,

Thanks for chiming in. Together with KB techsupport, we are stumped how some users, like you, got the 128gigs to work on the mkII. KB tech sent me Canon's reply on their inquiry re 128 cards and the canon reply said its not supported for firmware. But can be used for stills and mov video.

We didn't mention magic lantern of course, but since canon's firmware is similar to ML fir file, if the camera can see the canon fir then ML would be seen as well.

Where did you get your camera, in US or europe? The other users that got it to work were from europe so i was speculating that perhaps their mkII was made differently?

Also, how did you use the CF cards, was ML already running in your camera via another smaller capacity card and you merely made the 128 bootable via eoscard? or did you start install from scratch and loaded the fir file to bootflag the camera via the 128?

Any help from you would be helpful.

Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on August 10, 2013, 06:42:30 AM
I have a couple Canon 50D cameras. I originally purchased (2) 128 1000X cards to record. Both cards worked in camera with no troubles during the June 18th to June 28th builds. Unfortunately they weren't fast enough for the camera and I had to return them both. I've been running (2) 64 1000x cards since and these cards have been perfect.

By the way, I just received an email from Komputerbay stating that a 1200X card will be coming soon.

...

Komputerbay - Amazon Marketplace

1:53 AM (19 hours ago)

to me

Hello,

We are glad you are happy with our product.

We will be launching the 1200X version soon - we are unable to procure a health qualitity of semiconductors for mass production.

It will be available soon.

Thank You
Customer Service
CS


It doesn't say what size or anything... Guess that means it's a 128 or maybe a 64???
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xvince1 on August 10, 2013, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 10, 2013, 01:43:21 AM
Hello xvince1,

Thanks for chiming in. Together with KB techsupport, we are stumped how some users, like you, got the 128gigs to work on the mkII. KB tech sent me Canon's reply on their inquiry re 128 cards and the canon reply said its not supported for firmware. But can be used for stills and mov video.

We didn't mention magic lantern of course, but since canon's firmware is similar to ML fir file, if the camera can see the canon fir then ML would be seen as well.

Where did you get your camera, in US or europe? The other users that got it to work were from europe so i was speculating that perhaps their mkII was made differently?

Also, how did you use the CF cards, was ML already running in your camera via another smaller capacity card and you merely made the 128 bootable via eoscard? or did you start install from scratch and loaded the fir file to bootflag the camera via the 128?

Any help from you would be helpful.

Hi Ted,

- Yes, I'm from Europe, French to be precise, I bought my 5D2 via amazon.fr

- I follow the tuto to install ML via a small 4Gb CF first (they said that capacity superior to 32Gb won't work) and then install a 64Gb 600x KB and every other CF I gad after : one 128gb 600x (used part from amazon.fr / 2 brand new 128Gb 1000x KB from amazon.fr too and the last 1050x wich doesn't work

- I tried to use eoscard to correct alignment on the 600x (64 & 128Gb) but I don't succeed. Every time I've tried, I had to reformat the card in the 5D2. I've tried "Active@ Partition Manager" a tool under windows to manage partition and system files (cluster size...) but the same, nothing seem to work. The only thing that had worked was to format the CF in the 5D2 and to copy ML directories directly from PC... And then proceed with the firmware update in canon menu (the same process to install ML on new cards)

Sorry for may bad english...  :P
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xvince1 on August 15, 2013, 11:58:46 PM
Hi Ted,

I'm in touch with KB support, and they say o me you're testing some 128GB 1000x cards like mine. I made some tests on my side with some tools to seek some differences between my 3x128GB CF to understand what's different with the 1050x and I have found this :

(A copy from my mail to KB tech support) :

Hello,

I've made some tests with the 3x128GB cards I have and I found this with "Active@ Partition Manager" in partition table :

The Master Bootstrap (MBS) is different with the 1050x :

  600x : MBS : 000000000000000000000 etc etc - enable ML
1000x : MBS : 000000000000000000000  etc etc - enable ML
1050x : MBS : 33C08ED0BC007C8EC08ED etc etc - DO NOT enable ML

From what I've find on google, the MBS enable the UDMA controller but I'm definitively not a specialist.

If it could help... maybe something to change MBS directly from windows / OSX

Best regards, JDG

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on August 16, 2013, 02:06:08 AM
Quote from: xvince1 on August 15, 2013, 11:58:46 PM
Hi Ted,

I'm in touch with KB support, and they say o me you're testing some 128GB 1000x cards like mine. I made some tests on my side with some tools to seek some differences between my 3x128GB CF to understand what's different with the 1050x and I have found this :

(A copy from my mail to KB tech support) :

Hello,

I've made some tests with the 3x128GB cards I have and I found this with "Active@ Partition Manager" in partition table :

The Master Bootstrap (MBS) is different with the 1050x :

  600x : MBS : 000000000000000000000 etc etc - enable ML
1000x : MBS : 000000000000000000000  etc etc - enable ML
1050x : MBS : 33C08ED0BC007C8EC08ED etc etc - DO NOT enable ML

From what I've find on google, the MBS enable the UDMA controller but I'm definitively not a specialist.

If it could help... maybe something to change MBS directly from windows / OSX

Best regards, JDG

Cheers  :)

Thanks for the information xvince1,

Yes, I've been testing several KomputerBay cards in order to find out which one works and which one don't with magic lantern. Hopefully the information we have will help ML users make a guided purchase decision.
were trying to sort through cards with different firmware but has the same controller, I think together with your information we are close to finding out which high capacity cards (128gig and higher) will work with magic lantern and on which camera.

KB is about to break out 256gig CFs soon. :)

Here's what we know NOW, that capacity is not the issue with the mkII , 7D and others. I hav also gotten a 128gig to work now but this is from a lower speed, a 128gig 800X works, it also has the same firmware as the one you have at 1000x. So we've isolated the issue to the CF firmware. I'll probably get the 1000x with an older firmware by tomorrow, will confirm this by then.

The 800X cards are not pushed by KB yet. I tested them both 64gig and 128 gig 800x. They work with ML and canon firmware BUT the speeds will only give you lower resolutions in raw video.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xvince1 on August 17, 2013, 01:17:52 AM
Hello Ted,

I've made some other test with others CF, I have one 64GB 600X KB and an old Kingston 4GB. Every time I got the same master boot strap . To check this, I use this software :

Active@ Partition Manager : http://activea-partition-manager.softonic.fr/ (http://activea-partition-manager.softonic.fr/) : Right click on the volume and "partition table"

Maybe you can check the CF you have ?

Here's some screenshots :

128GB 1050x :

(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3313/155471d865c2bcdef832717f5dcc968d.jpg)

128GB 1000x :

(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3313/aff2bab097515df2f1438faac646ddff.jpg)

128GB 600x :

(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3313/2004eb9962e65280b8826e7db92a12ad.jpg)

64GB 600x :

(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3313/30b3ea2abe6e1b2cc27c85eaaad1cdc2.jpg)

OLD 4GB kingston :

(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3313/0622fe103f7427aa26617a0fe15404a4.jpg)

In fact, I don't know how you do it, but for alignement, I use the tools recommanded by KB : SDFormatter, but it format in exFAT, so I keep the volume alignement made in SDformatter & format with another tools "EaseUS Partition Master 9.2.2".

For cluster size : I have try every sort of cluster size but the best is 64K for performance and smaller cluster wont make any difference with the 1050x...

cheers  :D

SORRY FOR THE IMAGE SIZE...
Title: 128gig 1000x KomputerBay cards work on 5DmkII
Post by: ted ramasola on August 20, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
xvince1,

Thank you for your help, the info you provided helped us sort things out.

So now, I got the 128gig 1000X KomputerBay cards to work both on 5DmkII and 7D. The 1050x WILL NOT.

This is due to firmware on the CF controller, its older than the one on the 1050X. But both controllers are the same.

The 128 gig is slightly slower than the 64 and 32 gig version and here is a comparison of resolutions and number of frames the 128 can do on the 5DmkII.

Raw video recorded frames on 5DmkII (compared to 64gig in red)
1880 x 1058 16:9    = 762     ( 1049 )
1880 x 940   2:1     = 14,641    ( continuous 21,763 )
1880 x 800   2.35:1 = 17,875   ( continuous 21,763 )
--
1872 x 1054 16:9    = 686   ( 1,429 )
1872 x 850   2.20:1   = 16,777   ( continuous 21,763 )
1872 x 748   2.50:1   = Continuous
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1856 x 1044 16:9    = 702   ( 1,960 )
1856 x 790   2.35:1   = 19,192    approx 50 GB 
1856 x 742   2.50:1   = 43,156   approx 100 GB
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1728 x 972   16:9   =15,578   ( continuous 21,763 )
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xvince1 on August 21, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
Hello Ted,

I'm happy if I could have helped the community in anyway and thank's for your stats.

As I can compare with my 1000x, I think my second one (the only one I got now, as I send the 1050x back) is slightly speeder than yours. I shoot allmost continuously at 1880x854 (2.20:1). I will wait for an affordable release of a 256GB from KB, if we have the confirmation that it can work on 5D2 (I just can't put 700$ in one CF for the moment). Maybe some new 5d2 1050x version...

In fact, I thank again KB for their support (I stayed in touch with them for news). That's  just unbelievable what's going on with ML and RAW on CANON's DSLR, and I think KB prices made a great part to this...

Cheers, xvince1 
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on August 21, 2013, 07:35:11 PM
Hi xvince1,

I think we have similar cards. "Almost continuous" is probably within the ballpark, the thing with testing the Cards is some would think that the moment the message on the camera lcd shows "Continuous ok", that it will remain throughout. In several instances, even with another brand, "continuous ok" would disappear after a certain time and change to "Expected frames"
In my tests I always try to fill up the cards and not stop the recording when that message appears, sometimes it would stop past 44 gig.
In some cases it would stop past 70 gig.
But at that point the 5d would have been recording for more than 10-20 minutes already.
This would be beyond what it was originally made to do and in my tests the camera would already begin to heat up and smell funny!

Usually in most productions in shorts and narratives, corporate and commercials, its unusual already to be recording straight for that long.
I'd say past 5-10 minutes is already good. that would be around 15,000 frames.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: xvince1 on September 01, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
Hi Ted,

Sorry for this late reply, I was in vacation with no internet. It's OK, I understand what you say about the speed. Yes I think I have a second generation 128GB 1000x with same performances as yours...  :)
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: PressureFM on September 02, 2013, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: ted ramasola on August 21, 2013, 07:35:11 PM

But at that point the 5d would have been recording for more than 10-20 minutes already.
This would be beyond what it was originally made to do and in my tests the camera would already begin to heat up and smell funny!


Not to be entirely pedantic but out of the box the 5D Mark II can record 29 minutes and 59 seconds (limited for tax reasons within the EU).

Of course, only in the old crummy H.264 codec.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: dlrpgmsvc on September 02, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
Hi folks !

It will be useful if you can share all of your testings about raw video recordings data and card speeds here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8000.msg72051#msg72051

Select the first links about the testings ! Many thanks !  ;)
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on September 07, 2013, 08:15:50 PM
Quote from: PressureFM on September 02, 2013, 11:23:44 AM
Not to be entirely pedantic but out of the box the 5D Mark II can record 29 minutes and 59 seconds (limited for tax reasons within the EU).

Of course, only in the old crummy H.264 codec.

I'm sorry your information is wrong.

The 5D mkII only records h264 continuously for  11:57 (roughly 12min) which is 3.98 gig ( roughly 4gig) which is the limitation due to fat32.

I just confirmed this again to get the precise size and time not the rounded off figures.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: PressureFM on September 08, 2013, 11:57:30 AM
Quote from: ted ramasola on September 07, 2013, 08:15:50 PM
I'm sorry your information is wrong.

The 5D mkII only records h264 continuously for  11:57 (roughly 12min) which is 3.98 gig ( roughly 4gig) which is the limitation due to fat32.

I just confirmed this again to get the precise size and time not the rounded off figures.

Yeah, that's just not right. Put on the lens cap or point it at a white wall.

It will record for 29 minutes and 59 seconds. It's useless footage but it will record for that long.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: ted ramasola on September 08, 2013, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: PressureFM on September 08, 2013, 11:57:30 AM
Yeah, that's just not right. Put on the lens cap or point it at a white wall.

It will record for 29 minutes and 59 seconds. It's useless footage but it will record for that long.

It will record up to around 24 minutes if you only record in standard def 640 x 480. But at HD 1920 x 1080 only up to 4gig limit around 12 min.

That's what always happen when i record long interviews.

Also what happened when I confirmed it again yesterday.

That's what my camera manual says.

That's what DPreview states in their camera review. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5dmarkii/2

Your 5D mkII must be special to record full HD for 29 minutes. :)

Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: a1ex on September 08, 2013, 02:54:51 PM
PressureFM is right, my past bitrate research confirms it. ML time remaining indicator tells you exactly when it happens (QScale -16 => it turns red) and how much it can record (though last time I've tried was 1 or 2 years ago). Yes, this happens at default bitrate too.

Of course, in most practical cases, it will stop around 12 minutes.

11:57 is only valid for that particular test scene.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: matteomaggioni on December 09, 2013, 07:42:17 PM
Quote from: xvince1 on August 15, 2013, 11:58:46 PM
Hi Ted,

I'm in touch with KB support, and they say o me you're testing some 128GB 1000x cards like mine. I made some tests on my side with some tools to seek some differences between my 3x128GB CF to understand what's different with the 1050x and I have found this :

(A copy from my mail to KB tech support) :

Hello,

I've made some tests with the 3x128GB cards I have and I found this with "Active@ Partition Manager" in partition table :

The Master Bootstrap (MBS) is different with the 1050x :

  600x : MBS : 000000000000000000000 etc etc - enable ML
1000x : MBS : 000000000000000000000  etc etc - enable ML
1050x : MBS : 33C08ED0BC007C8EC08ED etc etc - DO NOT enable ML

From what I've find on google, the MBS enable the UDMA controller but I'm definitively not a specialist.

If it could help... maybe something to change MBS directly from windows / OSX

Best regards, JDG

Cheers  :)

I have a brand new 1050x 128gb Komputerbay CF and the MBS is  000000000000000000000  etc etc but still not loading ML.
Probably KB has updated these cards...but still I can't load ML.
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: jamessuperior on December 23, 2013, 12:46:05 AM
I'm new here, but i'll try to be as helpful as i can, and contribute with what i can!

I've got a komputerbay 1000x 128 Gb yesterday and can't get it to work.
Tested it on:
5d Mark II with firmware 2.1.2
ML 2.3 (tried nightly build and newest day)
Did a clean install and copied working ML files from an 8 GB Sandisk card.

MBS for the KB card is 000000000000000000000

The card is bought on amazon.de and the camera is from simplyelectronics, so somewhat Asian.
--

Any other details you guys need i'll provide it to you right away! :)

All the best and good work from you guys so far!
/Jonas
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: Ryan on December 31, 2013, 12:31:44 PM
Looks like the 64GB version is also being replaced by a 1050x version. So is it likely that that card wont work either?
Title: Re: 5D mkII and KomputerBay 128gig CF cards 1000x and 1050X
Post by: 66dellwood on December 11, 2015, 07:16:21 PM
Apologies for reviving such an old thread.  I am finally looking to use ML on a 5D2 and am looking for advice on suitable CF cards.  If anyone has recent experience or suggestions, would much appreciate.

thanks,
Jim