I've been following Digital Bolex for a while and they've been working with Pomfort on making a raw development software. Pomfort just announced the beta would be available in seven days. I decided to look on the website today to see if any more details on the software was released. Looks like they've added support for ML raw files directly. So this is turning out to be an interesting software. GPU debayer, floating-point computing, FCP XML export, backup/data management. Just thought it might be interesting to hear feedback on this software.
http://pomfort.com/cliphouse/
i just wanted to post about their software.
4 days ago the devs gave us a link to the alpha4 which is mac only.
as we mostly work with win or linux, we are looking for a handful ML powerusers who want to test their alpha.
just write there and i will pick some and send the DL link
I will test it!
Quote from: g3gg0 on July 08, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
i just wanted to post about their software.
4 days ago the devs gave us a link to the alpha4 which is mac only.
as we mostly work with win or linux, we are looking for a handful ML powerusers who want to test their alpha.
just write there and i will pick some and send the DL link
I am on a MAC as well. Would love to test it. :D
You can count me in too. I'm going to be shooting some stuff while camping this week and then I have a music video shoot the week after the next. I'd like to see how CH's debayers stack up against ACR and Resolve.
According to Joe from Digital Bolex, there is a very good chance that Pomfort will collab with the folks at Rubber Monkey to include s16 mm film stocks from Film Convert in CH.
Quote from: iaremrsir on July 08, 2013, 09:52:05 PM
You can count me in too. I'm going to be shooting some stuff while camping this week and then I have a music video shoot the week after the next. I'd like to see how CH's debayers stack up against ACR and Resolve.
Yeah, I would love to see how the debayer is too in Pomfort. The detail, DR and color I can get in ACR is great but it is hindered by the "exposure flickering" bug in some frames when using highlight, shadow and even exposure sliders. Not to mention the slower workflow. Can't wait to try it Pomfort. I'm stoked. :D
Quote from: senzazn12 on July 08, 2013, 10:22:20 PM
Yeah, I would love to see how the debayer is too in Pomfort. The detail, DR and color I can get in ACR is great but it is hindered by the "exposure flickering" bug in some frames when using highlight, shadow and even exposure sliders. Not to mention the slower workflow. Can't wait to try it Pomfort. I'm stoked. :D
I'm thinking that Pomfort might be creeping up on Davinci debayer speeds due to le GPU, so if Pomfort gets the debayering and colorimetry on par with ACR, we have ourselves a raw processing powerhouse! Also interested in seeing how it handles aliasing, FPN, random noise, the pink highlight issue, and dead pixels seen in other tools.
Quote from: iaremrsir on July 08, 2013, 10:46:21 PM
I'm thinking that Pomfort might be creeping up on Davinci debayer speeds due to le GPU, so if Pomfort gets the debayering and colorimetry on par with ACR, we have ourselves a raw processing powerhouse! Also interested in seeing how it handles aliasing, FPN, random noise, the pink highlight issue, and dead pixels seen in other tools.
My GPU ain't that great. Hopefully I can get by Pompfort quick enough. ACR is pretty fast for me on my Macbook Air.
i'd love to test it out too! :) On holiday from university (computer engineering) so I have a bunch of time for in depth testing. will put it through it's paces and do some comparisons with resolve and ACR with the mark iii footage i shot over the weekend.
I can't figure out how to change the output quality of the videos that have been colored.
Also, is there any way to actually set your own resolution for the output? I have a file bigger than 1080p
Another thing. One of the settings for export I accidently deleted.
I selected a clip and hit delete since it was going to be exporting somewhere on the hard drive that i didn't want, but when I deleted that export location, it took the pro res 422 option out of the list of available presets???
In order to change the setting for the export clip, you drag one from the list, to the clip where it shows it's current export settings. This isn't clear and I'm not sure if it works for clips that already have a setting, as I've only done it when adding a new location
ISSUE I exported a 'colored' file with the 422 pro res output setting(I believe) the setting was a 1920x1020 setting(which is how I export in after effects)
but the input file that I recorded was 1920x818 2.35:1 aspect ration.
When I viewed the exported file from THIS program, they created the 1080 image, but instead of the picture being in the middle(like AE would do) it put the image on the top.
so I have a huge black area under the photo and no black above the picture. That should be a fix as not all incoming vid, will be 1080 vertical
Same here for all problems listed by aaphotog
I don't know if you're having this problem as well aaphotog, but I don't have any context menus for general functions (copy, paste, etc) for moving clips between events or folders. Also, I can't even find a way to delete an event.
In the viewer we are able to pan/drag the image when zoomed in while pressing option, it would be nice to have the cursor change to a hand or something indicative of the function. Same thing with click and drag in the viewer without modifiers, it zooms but it would be nice to have a magnifying glass when the function activates.
It also has problems viewing a importing directory with directories full of dng files when choosing "Add clips without copy..."
Though no problem from the Copy room.
When viewing CinemaDNG it looks corrupted, but the clips clips work fine in other apps.
EDIT: This was resolved by restarting the application.
It'd be nice to have a list/metadata view of the clips in the Organize room when dealing with large numbers of clips. Is there also an option to create smart folders within an event? So if a group of clips were from the same scene and take, a smart folder is automatically created for it. Or even just creating our own smart folders based on metadata.
It doesn't fix dead pixels, but it looks like it handles FPN pretty well for the samples that I've done so far.
I'm also getting inconsistency with the ability to import clips directly from the card. Sometimes it'll let me import, at other times it won't let me.
EDIT: Found out what it was. If there is a corrupt clip on the card, CH will say there are no clips to be transfered from the card. After removing the corrupt clip from the card, CH read the clips fine.
From what I can see there is also no highlight reconstruction/recovery.
I would like to test it.
Quote from: g3gg0 on July 08, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
i just wanted to post about their software.
4 days ago the devs gave us a link to the alpha4 which is mac only.
as we mostly work with win or linux, we are looking for a handful ML powerusers who want to test their alpha.
just write there and i will pick some and send the DL link
I am on a Mac and would be glad to help test...
I would be pleased to test this software. I am on a Mac, and shoot a lot of ML raw footage
I am testing ClipHouse, thanks g3gg0. Here's my feedback:
- "Add clips without copy" won't allow selection of ML raw files, they are greyed out. So even if they are on same disk I have to do them via copy. Drag and drop would be best.
- Purple fringing where highlights meet mids.
- Similar clipped highlight issues as Ginger
- Impressive ProRes transcode speed and responsive playback even with non-standard res material like 2560x1024
- White balance seems incorrect (too cool)
- FPS in metadata panel is always 0 (tried with 50D, 5D Mark III, 30p,24p, full sensor and crop mode)
I think this software shows lots of potential. I would need noise reduction and as close to ACR debayer as possible to consider it in my workflow though. Just a quick method to convert to ProRes with the performance evident in ClipHouse would be extremely attractive.
Last thing: I would consider as smooth a way as possible for people to skip the first Copy screen, as a lot of people prefer to manually copy and organise raw files in OSX's Finder.
Keep up the excellent work!
Mac user here, I'd like to test it out. Bonus being I'm socially awkward and thus have no personal life, which I think would make me an ideal candidate.
Either way I'm glad software like this is being developed as RAW becomes more and more prevalent.
Am on a mac. Would love to test.
Have shot two short films with the ML raw so far.
'Derelict' (https://vimeo.com/68379232) using ACR to color/debayer.
'Pop!' (https://vimeo.com/2vstudios/pop) using Davinci Resolve.
I have several more projects lined up this month and have time to give it a real world test.
I'm on Windows 7 64bit or Linux and I will be pleased to beta-test the software too.
Thank you.
Quote from: gerk.raisen on July 10, 2013, 09:06:58 AM
I'm on Windows 7 64bit or Linux and I will be pleased to beta-test the software too.
Thank you.
I don't think it's been developed for Win or Linux yet. I think it's only on Mac at the moment. I could be wrong though.
Guys I received an email from Pompfort that the BETA of Cliphouse has been released. You need to register your email in order to get the BETA and it works until September 10, 2013. I am at work right now so not sure if the BETA improved upon the Alpha that the ML developers got a hold of. Just wanted to give you all a heads up.
Quote from: senzazn12 on July 15, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
Guys I received an email from Pompfort that the BETA of Cliphouse has been released. You need to register your email in order to get the BETA and it works until September 10, 2013. I am at work right now so not sure if the BETA improved upon the Alpha that the ML developers got a hold of. Just wanted to give you all a heads up.
Just tried it, not much has changed since Alpha 4.
Very high potential in my opinion.
Congratulations!
Looks like the missing link in my workflow.
I would suggest however to add a more control for
highlights and shadow separately
and to include the cineform in the export
Quote from: mclein on July 15, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
include the cineform in the export
Why not just use the Cineform software? They're already developing the raw converter for Mac.
No windows yet =(
Quote from: iaremrsir on July 15, 2013, 11:19:54 PM
Why not just use the Cineform software? They're already developing the raw converter for Mac.
Because cineform studio cannot import Magic Lanter RAW directly
and the mac version under mountain lion is quite unstable.
The RAW2cpgf is great but it's a script.. it does't allow you to control the conversiona parameter too much.. (still have many problem with highlights etc..) and you cannot have thumbnails preview. Danewman it is helping us.. so why not embed the cineform potentiality inside a tool like clip house ..?
would be fantastic.. in other words taking a huge ML RAW, trimming developing and adjusting it having en exported still RAW version 1/10 of the original size and still able to be easily used and graded in NLE ... a dream...
Quote from: mclein on July 16, 2013, 02:41:28 AM
Because cineform studio cannot import Magic Lanter RAW directly
and the mac version under mountain lion is quite unstable.
The RAW2cpgf is great but it's a script.. it does't allow you to control the conversiona parameter too much.. (still have many problem with highlights etc..) and you cannot have thumbnails preview. Danewman it is helping us.. so why not embed the cineform potentiality inside a tool like clip house ..?
would be fantastic.. in other words taking a huge ML RAW, trimming developing and adjusting it having en exported still RAW version 1/10 of the original size and still able to be easily used and graded in NLE ... a dream...
raw2gpcf is not a script, it's a shell program. It gives you nearly full control of the conversion parameters, as that's its function (only function missing is Dead Pixel Fix, which is being worked on right now). I haven't had a single problem with highlights or anything. I'm pretty sure raw2gpcf will be added to CF Studio Premium's GUI just like dpx2cf was for DNG raw files. You also didn't specify if you wanted export to CF Raw or CF 444/422. If CF Raw, adding export to ClipHouse would be useless since you wouldn't be debayering the raw footage with ClipHouse. In the package contents of ClipHouse I found a decoder named CFHDDecoder.dylib. So I'm guessing at some point it should be able to decode CF Raw, but that would mean you'd need to have a CF Studio Premium license to make CF Raw files in the first place. If 422, that makes more sense. Most of the problems you're having with the Mac version (I haven't had any thus far) will probably be fixed with CF Studio Premium 2.0.
Sorry iaremrsir, actually i am not as precise explaining it.
i meant the cineform 422, but anyway i think you are right, a cineform solution giving you the ability to work all the way from ML RAW to CF RAW is the best option in my workflow. I work on CF 422 RAW in fcpx so i need the best proxy clip as possible but i still have problems
with pink or magenta highlight, and to subtract noise from a raw file recorded with the cap on the lens (i try to follow instructions.. maybe i am doing something wrong..)
this is the highlight issue:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/a24125b6-b2e1-4d77-a198-742c065fde9f/7197263f155fae46598a8ad750eebc55
How have you fixed it?
thanks
Quote from: mclein on July 16, 2013, 11:21:19 AM
Sorry iaremrsir, actually i am not as precise explaining it.
i meant the cineform 422, but anyway i think you are right, a cineform solution giving you the ability to work all the way from ML RAW to CF RAW is the best option in my workflow. I work on CF 422 RAW in fcpx so i need the best proxy clip as possible but i still have problems
with pink or magenta highlight, and to subtract noise from a raw file recorded with the cap on the lens (i try to follow instructions.. maybe i am doing something wrong..)
this is the highlight issue:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/a24125b6-b2e1-4d77-a198-742c065fde9f/7197263f155fae46598a8ad750eebc55
How have you fixed it?
thanks
Let's continue this discussion on the CF thread so we can keep this thread about ClipHouse.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5479.275
Just got an email stating that there will be no windows support for the near future :(
well, maybe its time to get a hackintosh ;)
Hey guys, really cool that many of you already took the chance to test the alpha version of ClipHouse and especially a big thanks for all the feedback! It is true that we have released the beta version on monday! Even though there is indeed not that much difference to the alpha, it would be fantastic if you tested it too! Here is the direct link:
http://pomfort.com/cliphouse/beta.html
We are happy about any feedback we can get, so that we can make the software as cool and efficient as possible! We have also dedicated an own facebook page to ClipHouse, https://www.facebook.com/Pomfort.ClipHouse , where you can discuss it with us directly and also with other users if you like!
Enjoy testing ClipHouse!
I hope maybe in the future we could see a windows version. that would be sooooo awesome!!!!
windows please !
Has anyone found out how to delete clips yet?
Would like to test, I have a Hackintosh running with a 3570k and a GTX 480.
Quote from: iaremrsir on July 09, 2013, 01:26:57 AM
It doesn't fix dead pixels, but it looks like it handles FPN pretty well for the samples that I've done so far.
Just tried some other clips with the new beta, and it does not do well with FPN. Still no dead pixel fix or highlight reconstruction.
Just wanted to bump this thread up....whatever happened to these guys?
This app seems like the most promising of the bunch, with real-time playback of clips before conversion, and other assorted bells and whistles.
Pricing of their other apps makes me a bit nervous, but I'm hoping they'd release this below the $100 mark which I think would be most in line with what ML users would want to spend.
They also seem well poised to support the new .mlv format.
Anyway, just wondering what is going on with this? Is anyone using it on a regular basis? Why or why not?
This latest beta is much better http://pomfort.com/cliphouse/
Happen to see this mentioned on No Film school: raw software called ClipHouse (to copy, manage, colour, export) which it is claimed can also handle ML raw files. Costs $49 for a yearly renewal or $129 for a permanent license:
http://pomfort.com/cliphouse/index.html
Here's the No Film School item I found it from:
http://nofilmschool.com/2013/12/introducing-pomfort-cliphouse-raw-processing-software/
You can try it out for free. I think it's Mac only.
Thanks, see this also yesterday !!! It's good to see people develop software with ML in mind :D
Too bad it is Mac only...
Yes, indeed =(( just notice after download it and see the .dmg file
Me too. Although I'm Mac at work, it's Windows/Linux at home where the ML stuff is done. Shame.
Quote from: TrueIndigo on December 08, 2013, 12:30:56 AM
Me too. Although I'm Mac at work, it's Windows/Linux at home where the ML stuff is done. Shame.
Always will be something that is not alright... F*#%$& !!!
It's ready!
http://pomfort.com/cliphouse (http://pomfort.com/cliphouse)/
Couple of questions:
1. Does it support .mlv?
2. Can you export as CDNG? How about Compressed CDNG?
Thanks.
Operating System Mac OS X 10.7.5 or higher... for those of us who're sitting on a Win 7/etc...
Could we leave the "Waaah, not my desired platform" out of this, please.
I wonder why they haven't made any videos showcasing their supposed superior solution handling Cinema DNGs.
Nonetheless, I just downloaded it and will give it a swing as soon as the missus is out of the house.
Update: Whenever I try to ingest any .DNGs from Magic Lantern the application crashes. It takes whole .RAW files though, so you have to combine files that are >4GB before ingesting them.
i would jump for joy for the windows version!
Quote from: hjfilmspeed on December 10, 2013, 09:31:06 AM
i would jump for joy for the windows version!
Does anyone know if there are any plans for a Windows version?
I still feel it needs to be said: "Waaah, not my desired platform"!
When you go on their download page you see all the softwares that they make, and it's only mac download...
so I guess they won't be making a windows version.
I dont know about that. and since this is about raw processing not mac raw processing its a valid subject to this topic to talk about platform. I would assume we will see a windows version some day because i believe they work with digital bolex and i assume the d16 is not a mac cam so eventually we could see something.
I'm having the same problem as was mentioned by PressureFM. Whenever I try to import, I get the Ingesting box, and then the program goes unresponsive.
Quote from: Alex Stroud on December 31, 2013, 02:12:38 PM
I'm having the same problem as was mentioned by PressureFM. Whenever I try to import, I get the Ingesting box, and then the program goes unresponsive.
Same for me too - just sits there ingesting and I have to use Force Quit to close the program down.
Trying to ingest ML .RAW files on a Mac running Mavericks if that helps?
DV.
I had the same problem, the only way I could use the application was by right clicking on the raw file in finder and opening it with cliphouse. I actually like the application but the price is a bit too expensive for me.
Hello!!is there a tool like PomfortCliphouse but for Windows????????
Thank´s!!!!!!!!
Expensive? compared to LR, ACR from PS, or AE its decent IMO...............ahhhhh WINDOWS PLEASE!...Sorry couldnt help myself it. It looks so fun and simple. And the potential to handle native ML RAW. Awesome!
Quote from: hjfilmspeed on January 22, 2014, 05:18:10 AM
Expensive? compared to LR, ACR from PS, or AE its decent IMO...............ahhhhh WINDOWS PLEASE!...Sorry couldnt help myself it. It looks so fun and simple. And the potential to handle native ML RAW. Awesome!
? ? ? ? ? ?
No windows version for now. Most likely not for a while. At the moment your best option is Resolve.
Quote from: iaremrsir on January 23, 2014, 06:53:37 AM
No windows version for now. Most likely not for a while. At the moment your best option is Resolve.
Ok thank you sorry to pester but it just looks so nice. thank you anyways!
being that the last post about ClipHouse is over 2 years old, has everyone given up on this solution?
i just found out about it, downloaded the trial version, and find it to not only not work for me, but also rife with strange bugs...even ignoring the display bugs, i don't seem to be able to import a clip...scanning my CF card it doesn't find any, even though it contains a number of mlv clips...is this software dead?
I found the exported files to be rather soft compared to MLRaw Viewer.
I wrote to Pomfort and indicated it would be fab if they supported ML but they said they had no current plans. I think they see ML and a hack and not a serious format. Shame, as their software Pomfort Cliphouse could be fantastic if it worked with ML and output sharp files.