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Poll
Question: My card delivers continous 1920x1080p RAW recording with the 5D mark III
Option 1: Lexar 1000x 128 GB votes: 8
Option 2: Lexar 1000x 064 GB votes: 36
Option 3: Komputerbay 1000x 128 GB votes: 8
Option 4: Komputerbay 1000x 064 GB votes: 91
Option 5: Toshiba 1066x 064 GB votes: 11
Option 6: Transcend 1000x 128 GB (after low-level format with autoformat!) votes: 6
Option 7: Transcend 1000x 064 GB (after low-level format with autoformat!) votes: 20
Option 8: Transcend 1000x 032 GB (after low-level format with autoformat!) votes: 8
Option 9: Hoodman Steel 1000x 064 GB votes: 4
Option 10: Transcend 600x Card (please post capacity below) votes: 1
Option 11: PLEASE NOTIFY ME TO ADD MORE OPTIONS! votes: 32
Title: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on June 23, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Hi all,

the Transcend cards are very close to achieving the required 83 MB/s sustained write speed, and I´ve heard rare success reports who said it would work after low-level formatting the card with the "autoformat" tool provided by Transcend.

I´m having a hard time on deciding if I should spend money on Lexar or Komputerbay cards - so it would be nice to know if it´s worth trying the Transcend cards...

Some even wrote that Transcends 600x cards had faster write speeds, can anyone confirm that?

Best wishes,
Andreas
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 RAW video
Post by: Stedda on June 23, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
I have no problem with a Transcend 1000x 32GB with full HD 1920x1080 continuous. This is with several cards.

With the recent builds I can even go one resolution higher continuous.

I have a 600x also... it can't handle it.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 RAW video
Post by: grooveminister on June 23, 2013, 05:50:38 PM
Hey Stedda, good news!
You can modify your voting, I´ve added the 32 GB version!
Did you have to use the low-level formatting tool?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Stedda on June 23, 2013, 05:58:29 PM
I do nothing special with the cards.
I format them in camera every few times but I did that before RAW video.

There is a card benchmark thread where Alex was looking for some info.... search it out it has everything you're looking for and more.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on June 23, 2013, 06:20:22 PM
Cool, I guess you are refering to this thread?:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.0
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Stedda on June 23, 2013, 06:22:49 PM
You got it. Just about every card you could imagine with graphs posted by Alex.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: mkrjf on June 23, 2013, 08:08:46 PM
The chart posted by Alex is not that useful:
It shows one value - is that the max for all cards. Average?
With what buffer size / config? Special card format?

I just got two new transcend 64GB 1000x cards - with sequential serial numbers - and one writes less than 82MBps while the other goes up to 96MBps. And transcend claims 120MBps write capability (for who knows what buffer size).

I would like to see write speed distribution by brand / card vs vendor claimed spec.
My data points are 120 claimed, 1: < 80 avg 82 peak; 2: < 90 avg 96 peak
So of example if the polluter at cards are really Lexmark rejects there should be a wide deviation in card write rates while maybe for lexar there is very little deviation.
I asked elsewhere but do not seem to get answers in the forums I post to - now do you set the buffer size? So if 5 minute benchmark test shows best results for 16384 buffer - can I force that buffer size so it will actually work for raw video?
Thx
Mike
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: mkrjf on June 23, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
Sorry I did not preview last post for spellcheck errors;)
"If komputerbay cards are lexar rejects"
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on June 23, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: mkrjf on June 23, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
Sorry I did not preview last post for spellcheck errors;)
"If komputerbay cards are lexar rejects"
Yeah, but I liked the first version even more!  ;)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Danne on June 23, 2013, 11:51:31 PM
"lexmark rejects" LOL :)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Danne on June 23, 2013, 11:53:20 PM
I have a transcend 1000x 64gb. Works fine for 1920x1080 25fps
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jpjp on June 24, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
Transcend 1000x 32Gb, no problems running 1920x1080 25fps, no need for low-level format with autoformat here.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on June 24, 2013, 02:35:20 AM
Is anyone using the Transcend 128 GB version successfully @ 1080p25?
I fear entering the same desaster as with my Komputerbay 128 GB version which is slower than it´s 64 GB counterparts...
The one in the poll is an error, that was before I added the 32 GB version to choose...
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Mido on June 24, 2013, 03:24:17 AM
First ordered Komputerbay 128GB 1000x and it peaks at 76MB/s, so not enough. Then ordered two Komputerbay 64GB 1000x one is perfect (around 97MB/s) but second one is simply corrupted. Can't format it either on os x or camera (sending it back for replacement). Today I ordered Transcend 64GB 1000x and I hope that it will work (at least 86MB/s)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Danne on June 24, 2013, 06:48:44 AM
Quote from: jpjp on June 24, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
Transcend 1000x 32Gb, no problems running 1920x1080 25fps, no need for low-level format with autoformat here.
how does it even work? Do I add the .exe file to the card?  I,m on a mac. My card works fine but maybe I could squeeze a few more mb in ;)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: haemma on June 24, 2013, 10:03:05 AM
Lexar 1000x 64GB card: 1920x1080 25fps continuous
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on June 24, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: Danne on June 24, 2013, 06:48:44 AM
how does it even work? Do I add the .exe file to the card?  I,m on a mac. My card works fine but maybe I could squeeze a few more mb in ;)
Visit someone with a PC and a decent card reader.
Guess you need to have the .dll and the .exe in the same folder there and start the .exe which will low-level format the card.
After that you´ll need to format in camera again.

A german amazon user reported success with his card:
First too slow, after low level format the performance had increased.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: mkrjf on June 25, 2013, 06:59:29 AM
Can the people who have transcend 1000x 64GB running at 24fps run the 5 minute benchmark and share the results (saves .bmp)? For 16384k buffer is all i care - that is what raw capture will use, right? One of my 2 transcend 1000x 64GB worked yesterday but not today!! Apparently it is just under required speed now! I have complaint in to transcend since they claim 120GB write and I am getting like 82MB/s for both cards now. Reformatting in camera yields same or slightly less than out of the box.
Thread posted by Alex shows max lucky write speeds and is actually a 'false negative' test - there is no guarantee transcend will work.
Can you also share all your changes from config default? I tried changing global draw, etc but no impact on write speed for me. No way in hell I am paying Lexmark prices. ;)
Mike
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: bluewater on June 25, 2013, 04:36:16 PM
Isn't there any CF card can record 1920*1080 30fps ???

It must be as fast as 107MB/s write speed. :D
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Ammar on June 25, 2013, 05:04:12 PM
I have tow cards both work flawless on RAW 1920x1080 24/25P no drop-frames at all, its all on 5DMark3

the 1st one is SanDisk Extreem Pro UDMA 32GB
the 2nd Lexar 1000X 64GB UDMA7

i cant see any difference in these tow cards on RAW 1920x108025 continuous, but any other resolution above 1920 it do drop frame in just max of 2sec.

when i bought the Lexar i thought i can do bigger frame size like 2.5k but its not happening.


any one knows how to format the Lexar 1000X 64GB at Low level on mac? as i understand that it will make it faster a bit.



Ammar

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Markus on June 26, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
Bought two komputerbay 64GB cards both records 1920x1152 continous at 25fps =)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: gmango on June 26, 2013, 05:16:28 PM
I am getting a write speed of 69.8 mb/s on the Komputer Bay 128 gb 1000 x UDMA 7 (exFat) and the Canon 5D Mark III requires 83 m/s
On a 16 GB 1000X Hoodman steel CF i am getting 69.2 mb/s formated on computer as fat32.
I reformated with exFat and write speed increased to 78.2 mb/s
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: v1rt on June 26, 2013, 05:18:41 PM
Looking at the poll, looks like the card I need to buy for my Canon 50D is Komputerbay 1000x 064 GB. What do you think folks?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on June 27, 2013, 01:02:28 AM
Now I´ve got my own 128 GB Transcend card.

No single 1080p24 recording was stopped by the camera yet!
The idle values start small (1-2 ms) but grow the longer I am recording. Seems the card needs to warm up.

Komputerbays 128 GB cards doesnt record more than a second @ Academy Format 1.85:1!

I didn´t have to use AutoFormat - but I´d like to give it a try.
Transcend Support recommended to Low Level format the card. But what is that?

The Tool offers:
-"Optimised Format" I guess this one is like Quick Format in Windows.
-"No Selection" is this already Low Level formatting?
-"Complete Format" - ok everything is filles with zeros

Now do I have to select nothing or "Complete Format" to Low Level format the CF-card?
At least I know that Low Level formatting on the camera itself (SD-card slot) doesn´t take more than a few seconds, so it can´t fill everything with zeros...
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: mkrjf on June 29, 2013, 09:09:23 AM
I think there are other variables besides cf card itself. Maybe build / chipset batch for 5dmk3 itself?
I just received 2 Lexmark 64GB 1000x and they are performing almost identically to the two transcend 64GB 1000x.
Highly unlikely. When I complained to reseller about transcend (which I was exchanging for lexar plus $) one of their canon reps said 5dmk3 cn only write a 76GBps max (but with Alex DMA code obviously number is different). But maybe cards are not actually bottleneck but rather build of 5dmk3.

So my 5dmk3 is like 9 months old. Are the people who have same transcend and lexar cards as me working using brand new or 6-9 month old version?
And komputerbay seems to have highest luck but I really don't feel like rolling the dice a third time!

I asked for people to share actual read write rates by card and now also by camera age / serial
Wonder if Alex can try benchmark with higher buffer size replacing the small (and why so many small tests?) sizes with larger buffers - or is 16384K largest possible?

And does crop mode write faster or same? What row length / formats could I get that require less write speed? 2k by some funky length at 24fps is better than no continuous recording!
And is 25fps faster or slower than 24 (you never know). For transcend formatting to exfat had no benefit.

Otherwise it is useless even though it has great potential.
                    W/R MBps for buffer:       2k         3k         4k          16k        32k(other test)
Transcend 64GB 1000x CF #1         56/83    65/93     65/93    81/119      80/
                                       #2         Similar I deleted the .bmp                 78/
Lexmark   64GB 1000x CF #1          35/44    41/44    42/56     79/104
                                       #2.         36/45    42/43    43/57     81/107

Anyway the values for 16k writes are too similar to be limited just by the cards across vendors - it looks like something on the camera / code side.
Please provide any relevant data you have.
And I have asked 5 ways in 5 forums with no answers:
What are ideal settings after reset to defaults for 5dmk3 raw performance.
I have tried most related settings / tweaks (no draw, slow write flag, etc) but don't see any change in write at 16k.
And I have also asked for confirmation that raw recording uses 16k buffer and that other sizes (larger)  not improve chance of working.
Sigh
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: weoul on June 29, 2013, 05:41:55 PM
After 2 warming runs (about 20 sec) I get  85-86MB/S using 128Gb Transcend 1000x CF card - contunius shooting 1920X1080 25p, Global Draw on (excluding zebras) with hystogram and focus peak on

For   64GB model it is enough 1 warming until it works perfectly. About 3MB/s speedy of her more capacious sister.

May be this info will help to smbody.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: mkrjf on June 30, 2013, 02:51:35 AM
That is very useful to me. You are getting numbers from 5 minute benchmark?
Is your camera very new or more than 6 months old?
Thanks for the details! Maybe a few more will share.
I will try 25fp
Mike
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: crazyrunner33 on June 30, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
Quote from: bluewater on June 25, 2013, 04:36:16 PM
Isn't there any CF card can record 1920*1080 30fps ???

It must be as fast as 107MB/s write speed. :D

KomputerBay 64 gig 1000x SM2236AC

Around 950 frames with 1920x1080 @ 30 fps, continuous with hacked preview.  This is with the June 28th build, I'm very impressed.  On the builds from earlier this month I would only see around 300-500 frames and around 1000 with the hacked preview.  The card itself has a 95 MB/s write and 120 MB/s read speed.

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: weoul on June 30, 2013, 01:58:46 PM
Quote from: mkrjf on June 30, 2013, 02:51:35 AM
That is very useful to me. You are getting numbers from 5 minute benchmark?
Is your camera very new or more than 6 months old?
Thanks for the details! Maybe a few more will share.
I will try 25fp
Mike

Benchmarks show silly low numbers - 75-78MB/s at max Buffer size.
At the same time I usually get this:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2qa32he.jpg)

I real situation shooting 1 min is enough for me.

Camera is rather old , I bought it september last year.

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Videop on June 30, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
I use a Sandisk Extreme Pro CF 16GB specified to 90MB/s. I can record 1920x1080 25fps. Only tried up to 15 seconds or so but no dropped frames afaik.

I also managed to record 1s to a SD card, Sandisk Extreme Pro 45MB/s. I assume the buffer fills up and then it's stop while pictures are shipped to the card.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: rlasson on July 01, 2013, 05:31:32 PM
Just wanted to put it out there that we bought eight 64GB Komputerbay CF cards and they all do great recording 1920x1080/24P RAW on the 5D Mark III. I did very long takes. Sometimes it was one take that filled up the card (about 12 minutes). We had no issues.

It was also cool that I could download the cards faster than it took to record a whole card. The setup was a four port eSATA card in a thunderbolt enclosure. I used two RED CF card readers with eSATA and wrote to two OWC two-drive RAIDs. I'm sure there's a more cost efficient solution out there, but with this set up I was able to shoot RAW with two cameras in an interview setting and I was never in danger of filling up the cards.

This is really fun! Thank ML community!!!

Russ
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: aaphotog on July 02, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
5 minute test with komputerbay 64gb 1000x
is this the speed everyone else getting or does anyone have faster speeds?
(http://i44.tinypic.com/anlws3.jpg)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jojo on July 03, 2013, 03:37:59 PM
I have a Transcend 1000x 64GB card and I managed to record continuously in 1920x1080 30 fps!!! I used the hacked preview mode and  global draw off. Wow!!
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Mickeyboo on July 03, 2013, 06:05:33 PM
My two Transcend 1000x 64GB cards have worked flawlessly at 24fps 1920x1080, no dropped frames with global draw off on
5d Mark 3.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jojo on July 04, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
30 fps 1920x1080! Proof!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/04/pu6agu5a.jpg)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: aaphotog on July 04, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: jojo on July 04, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
30 fps 1920x1080! Proof!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/04/pu6agu5a.jpg)
what card?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jojo on July 04, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: aaphotog on July 04, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
what card?

Transcend 1000x 64 GB straight out of the package!
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: aaphotog on July 04, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: mkrjf on June 29, 2013, 09:09:23 AM
I think there are other variables besides cf card itself. Maybe build / chipset batch for 5dmk3 itself?
I just received 2 Lexmark 64GB 1000x and they are performing almost identically to the two transcend 64GB 1000x.
Highly unlikely. When I complained to reseller about transcend (which I was exchanging for lexar plus $) one of their canon reps said 5dmk3 cn only write a 76GBps max (but with Alex DMA code obviously number is different). But maybe cards are not actually bottleneck but rather build of 5dmk3.

So my 5dmk3 is like 9 months old. Are the people who have same transcend and lexar cards as me working using brand new or 6-9 month old version?
And komputerbay seems to have highest luck but I really don't feel like rolling the dice a third time!

I asked for people to share actual read write rates by card and now also by camera age / serial
Wonder if Alex can try benchmark with higher buffer size replacing the small (and why so many small tests?) sizes with larger buffers - or is 16384K largest possible?

And does crop mode write faster or same? What row length / formats could I get that require less write speed? 2k by some funky length at 24fps is better than no continuous recording!
And is 25fps faster or slower than 24 (you never know). For transcend formatting to exfat had no benefit.

Otherwise it is useless even though it has great potential.
                    W/R MBps for buffer:       2k         3k         4k          16k        32k(other test)
Transcend 64GB 1000x CF #1         56/83    65/93     65/93    81/119      80/
                                       #2         Similar I deleted the .bmp                 78/
Lexmark   64GB 1000x CF #1          35/44    41/44    42/56     79/104
                                       #2.         36/45    42/43    43/57     81/107

Anyway the values for 16k writes are too similar to be limited just by the cards across vendors - it looks like something on the camera / code side.
Please provide any relevant data you have.
And I have asked 5 ways in 5 forums with no answers:
What are ideal settings after reset to defaults for 5dmk3 raw performance.
I have tried most related settings / tweaks (no draw, slow write flag, etc) but don't see any change in write at 16k.
And I have also asked for confirmation that raw recording uses 16k buffer and that other sizes (larger)  not improve chance of working.
Sigh
Try another card. Maybe he lied to you. It's either that, or he doesn't know how and what you're doing with your 5d3.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Sganzerla on July 04, 2013, 11:57:56 PM
I got 1920x1152 (24p) with my Transcend 128GB 1000x card too after a little warm up.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: aspire.saadi on July 05, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
Has anyone tried lexar 800 x cards ?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: eyeland on July 05, 2013, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: aspire.saadi on July 05, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
Has anyone tried lexar 800 x cards ?
I didn't benchmark it in-camera yet, but in crystalmark the Lexar 800x comes in very close to my Transcend 400x @ 40mb/s :(
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Mickeyboo on July 06, 2013, 02:33:40 AM
Komputer Bay 1050X 128GB  I just ran 24 FPS  1920x1080 for a continuious 128.3 GB without a dropped frame, June 28 build, 5D Mark 3 global drawing off. This is a new card just released not to be confused with the previous 1000X 128 GB. 
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Markus on July 06, 2013, 07:03:43 AM
Quote from: Mickeyboo on July 06, 2013, 02:33:40 AM
Komputer Bay 1050X 128GB  I just ran 24 FPS  1920x1080 for a continuious 128.3 GB without a dropped frame, June 28 build, 5D Mark 3 global drawing off. This is a new card just released not to be confused with the previous 1000X 128 GB.

What about 25fps?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on July 06, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: jojo on July 04, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
30 fps 1920x1080! Proof!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/04/pu6agu5a.jpg)
What build?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: grooveminister on July 08, 2013, 12:32:15 PM
In the meantime I´ve orderer a Transcend 64GB 1000x card as well, but it doesn´t perform significantly better than the 128 GB version.
1080p30 is impossible with the card - but it seems to achieve a constant write speed of around 90 MB/s - so it´s a bit safer to record 1080p25 compared to the 128 GB version.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Mido on July 08, 2013, 05:27:29 PM
I can confirm that I'm getting 99-100MB/s with Transcend 64GB 1000x. Best card so far. June 27th build.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Mickeyboo on July 08, 2013, 08:18:01 PM
Canon 5D Mark 3 June 27th Build

With KomputerBay 1050 X 128 Gig Card with Global Draw on 2 dropped frames in 90 Gigs of 1920x1080 Raw video at 25 FPS

With KomputerBay 1050 X 128 Gig Card with Global Draw off no dropped frames for 128 Gigs of continuous 1920x1080 Raw Video at 25 FPS
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: oferlevy on July 11, 2013, 03:08:28 PM
Are you still happy with the KomputerBay 128 GB x1050 for 1920x1080 25P RAW on the 5D III ?
Anyone else tried this card?
Thanks!
Ofer
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jojo on July 12, 2013, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: grooveminister on July 06, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
What build?

June 27
Global draw off
Hacked preview mode
No noise reduction for long exposure
Everything off that can be turned off
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: byonik1 on July 12, 2013, 01:06:56 PM
Hello,

I just ask for a little help to buy a memory card. I hesitate between the Lexar 1000x 32GB and the TRANSCEND 1000x 32GB. I said that the TRANSCEND is a little cheaper. So what card between the two?

I film on the 5D mark 2
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Danne on July 12, 2013, 02:32:19 PM
I have a transcend 64gb for my 5d mark 3. Works with 25fps 1920x1080. I think it,s a great card for the money
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: byonik1 on July 12, 2013, 03:27:16 PM
There is a difference between the Transcend 1000x 64 GB and the 32GB ? cause the 64GB is little expensive for me

Thanks
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: johnha on July 22, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
I am able to achieve 1080p on my Mk3 with a 32GB Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s card. I was surprised by this as this card is rated at 600x. But hey, it works great. I was not able to shoot at the Mk2's highest resolution continuously using this same card.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: kgv5 on July 23, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
I can confirm that. I have just bought Sandisk extreme pro 600x UDMA7 32GB.

On the 5D3:

1920x1080p 24 and 25 fps - continous OK
1920x1080p 30fps 618 frames
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: aaphotog on July 24, 2013, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: kgv5 on July 23, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
I can confirm that. I have just bought Sandisk extreme pro 600x UDMA7 32GB.

On the 5D3:

1920x1080p 24 and 25 fps - continous OK
1920x1080p 30fps 618 frames
I stated this months ago. but mine was only 16gb
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: LambrosKazan on January 19, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
Hi. Has anyone tried this one:
sandisk extreme pro compact flash card 32GB at ---160MB--- UDMA 7
http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/compactflash/extremepro-160mbs/
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Gunnar on January 20, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
Hi All,

Just joined. Don't have the time to read all messages. If my topic is being dealt with already, just skip it. I have a SanDisk, 128 GB, 120 MB/s. Not fast enough to record 1920x1080 with ML. I tried all settings. A nice way around is to record with 1920 × 818 (almost the same as Panavision format). You might be able to get higher than 818. Didn't test it. I prefer this resolution, since it resembles closely cinema format.  And no problems anymore with recording continuously. Before I could not record longer than a few seconds.

Gunnar
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: MichaelHeiland on January 21, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
add the Komputer Bay 128gig 1050x

It handles 1080x1920 at 30fps flawlessly.  Even with the new .MLV format to dump out a .WAV audio file. 
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: conntoms on January 26, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
Hi all, is any body tried Sandisk 32GB 1067x which is label 160MB/s speed?
I had one, but still can't reach that speed, can't even shoot 1920x1080 RAW video on 5DmarkII.
btw, I head that it will get that speed after low level format. but I can't find any EOS canon body have that option for me (I'd try 7D. 5DM1, 5DMk2, 5DMk3) . please help. (I'm feeling waisting money for this card)  :( I'm using EOS 5DMk2
Thanks.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ceew on February 08, 2014, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: conntoms on January 26, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
Hi all, is any body tried Sandisk 32GB 1067x which is label 160MB/s speed?
I had one, but still can't reach that speed, can't even shoot 1920x1080 RAW video on 5DmarkII.
btw, I head that it will get that speed after low level format. but I can't find any EOS canon body have that option for me (I'd try 7D. 5DM1, 5DMk2, 5DMk3) . please help. (I'm feeling waisting money for this card)  :( I'm using EOS 5DMk2
Thanks.

http://kbsupport.cusa.canon.com/system/selfservice.controller?CONFIGURATION=1011&PARTITION_ID=1&secureFlag=false&TIMEZONE_OFFSET=&CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=49073
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jonnyginese on February 08, 2014, 03:14:25 AM
Quote from: MichaelHeiland on January 21, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
add the Komputer Bay 128gig 1050x

It handles 1080x1920 at 30fps flawlessly.  Even with the new .MLV format to dump out a .WAV audio file.

I have this card and i don't agree at all. "flawless" would be that it can consistently record past the 4gb file mark and switch to next file without skipping frames. And at the beginning of the recording , for the first 10 seconds or so the buffer is struggling to keep up, then it smooths out till 45 sec (4gb mark) and then skips frame. A friend of mine gto the same card and has the same issues if not worse. If you are really getting this please share your settings as to how you got this.

I ordered a KB 64gb 1000x to try and THAT card is flawless. as soon as you press record in MLV with audio it says "Continuous OK" and the buffers never fills up more than 2/4 during file switching.

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Markus on February 08, 2014, 03:58:41 AM
Quote from: jonnyginese on February 08, 2014, 03:14:25 AM
I have this card and i don't agree at all. "flawless" would be that it can consistently record past the 4gb file mark and switch to next file without skipping frames. And at the beginning of the recording , for the first 10 seconds or so the buffer is struggling to keep up, then it smooths out till 45 sec (4gb mark) and then skips frame. A friend of mine gto the same card and has the same issues if not worse. If you are really getting this please share your settings as to how you got this.

I ordered a KB 64gb 1000x to try and THAT card is flawless. as soon as you press record in MLV with audio it says "Continuous OK" and the buffers never fills up more than 2/4 during file switching.

Format your card in Xfat and enable larger files than 4gig in mlv rec menu.
Make sure you have setup your camera with the following settings in canon menu:
Image Quality = S3 JPEG (Not Smallest raw as I wrote first!)
Auto Lighting Optimizer = OFF
Long exp. noise reduction = OFF
High ISO speed NR = OFF
Highlight tone priority = OFF
Multiple Exposure = Disable
HDR Mode = Disable HDR
I also think you should deactivate autofocus if using a AF-lens.
All this is done to free up memory and reduce cpu load by other functions.
Help me out if i missed some more settings!

Can you save canon menu settings? Would be great to create ML-profiles if that is the case so people just can download a profile with all settings optimized for filming raw.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jonnyginese on February 08, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
I've got all these settings. even with the exfat it only lasts till about 7-8gb. The card isn't really fast enough to be a reliable choice. If you used the KB 128gb 1050x and then used the 64gb 1000x you would know what I mean. I would be very nervous using the 128 on a paid gig and I would feel confident with the 64gb... That's the difference for me.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Markus on February 08, 2014, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: jonnyginese on February 08, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
I've got all these settings. even with the exfat it only lasts till about 7-8gb. The card isn't really fast enough to be a reliable choice. If you used the KB 128gb 1050x and then used the 64gb 1000x you would know what I mean. I would be very nervous using the 128 on a paid gig and I would feel confident with the 64gb... That's the difference for me.

I have 64GB KB cards also and as you say they work without problems, 1050x seems to be a bit more on the edge. The one i own that does 110mb/sek in crystal diskmark seems to be almost enough for full hd cont MLV with sound. The other card that does 105mb/sek write however seems to be to slow. The 64Gb cards benchmark 115mb/sek in crystal diskmark and work without problems. So It seems that with the current build you need a card that does above 110mb/sek write to be stable for mlv cont record with sound. I think the KB 1200x would give you a good margin in write speed for stable MLV recording.

Raw_rec however works on all cards stable. It would be nice with a Raw_snd as an option to be able to record sound if using standard raw rec module. 
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: blooszy on February 19, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
Hey guys,

I have downloaded the Transcend autoformat program, but I do not see an option for a "low-level" format. The two options I see are "optimized" and "complete" ... Which one is considered the low-level format?

I have tried formatting both ways, and have still had skipped frames at 1920x1080 24fps RAW on my Transcend 1000x 64gb. I also have trouble getting the card to read in my lexar 3.0 card reader. Just curious which one is the low-level format, so I can stick with that and work on other problems from there.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Markus on February 19, 2014, 10:11:41 PM
Complete is the same as low level. All data will be overwritten.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ilaibenamar on February 21, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
I just posted this in the wrong place i believe...
Take a look:

(It's about a successful continuous recording with an x600 card)

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10611.0

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: AleXis on March 18, 2014, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: conntoms on January 26, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
(I'd try 7D. 5DM1, 5DMk2, 5DMk3) . please help. (I'm feeling waisting money for this card)  :( I'm using EOS 5DMk2
I think even 5D markIII can write maximum 110-120 mb/sec, other your cameras more slowly
for 5D MarkII maximum may be 80 mb/sec
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: GooDween on March 23, 2014, 09:11:22 PM
is there any speed difference between sandisk extreme pro 160 16-32-64 gb?
And like the same transcend.
choosing between transcend 32 1000x and sandisk 160 16gb.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: visceralpsyche on April 15, 2014, 04:54:01 PM
Has anyone done a detailed study on which low level format allows for the fastest writing to the card?

eg. 4K sectors vs 16K sectors and the like. FAT32 vs exFat. That sort of thing.

Cheers!

Paul :)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: psantia on May 04, 2014, 01:16:06 PM
so, where the module for the 30 p?

did not see it yet..
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Eric18104 on May 07, 2014, 07:21:05 AM
I just bought some Lexar 1066x 64GB cards, and MacBoot is giving me an error every time I try to format them.  I'm pretty new to this, but have successfully formatted some slower SanDisk CFs.

Anyone have any success with the Lexars?  Anything I might be missing?

Thanks!
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: soundmaster on July 05, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
I`m using  Sandisk Extreme PRO - 32, 160mb/s
I have 5D markIII
i can shoot without any problems :

1920x1080 RAW video at 24fps
1920x1080 RAW video at 30fps

cheers.


(http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/1/0/22134801/u_22134801.jpg)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Steven on July 06, 2014, 01:10:37 PM
Quote from: blooszy on February 19, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
Hey guys,

I have downloaded the Transcend autoformat program, but I do not see an option for a "low-level" format. The two options I see are "optimized" and "complete" ... Which one is considered the low-level format?

I have tried formatting both ways, and have still had skipped frames at 1920x1080 24fps RAW on my Transcend 1000x 64gb. I also have trouble getting the card to read in my lexar 3.0 card reader. Just curious which one is the low-level format, so I can stick with that and work on other problems from there.

Your card reader's firmware should be updated to support UDMA 7 cards.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Defkaunta on July 26, 2014, 01:35:44 PM
So it seems that the Komputerbay 1000x 064 GB is the favourite choice so is it a safe guess that the new and slightly faster 1066X version will do just as well?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jimmyD30 on July 26, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
I hope so! I just ordered 2 of them a few days ago, will post after speed tests.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jimmyD30 on July 26, 2014, 04:22:55 PM
KomputerBay 64GB 1066x CF Card. Canon 5D3.123 @ 24fps

(http://filehosting.procypher.com/free/20140726/image.jpg)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: l1nkin on August 03, 2014, 10:41:39 AM
Hello everyone,

I've been reading a few comments but I still can't make up my minds.

I'm using a Canon 5D Mark II, and I would love to try the RAW Video (i'm a cameraman & editor).

But to do so, I need to buy a card that is good enough ; I don't think I'd go more than 64g tho, but I'm hesitating with all those brands (Lexar, Sandisk, Transcend..).

I read on some other forums that the Transcend card didn't really manage the full read/write capacity.

So if you were me, which brand should I get? Even if I have to spend some extra money, I don't really mind as long as the card does what I request :P

Thanks for your help guys.


// l1nkin
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: budafilms on August 03, 2014, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: l1nkin on August 03, 2014, 10:41:39 AM
Hello everyone,

I've been reading a few comments but I still can't make up my minds.

I'm using a Canon 5D Mark II, and I would love to try the RAW Video (i'm a cameraman & editor).

But to do so, I need to buy a card that is good enough ; I don't think I'd go more than 64g tho, but I'm hesitating with all those brands (Lexar, Sandisk, Transcend..).

I read on some other forums that the Transcend card didn't really manage the full read/write capacity.

So if you were me, which brand should I get? Even if I have to spend some extra money, I don't really mind as long as the card does what I request :P

Thanks for your help guys.


// l1nkin

Computer Bay 1000x 64 GB - amazon 90US
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: l1nkin on August 03, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
Looks like it's impossible to make it continuously @ 1080p with 5d2 RAW which is a real killer for me, unless it got fixed somehow? ; should i get a 5d3 instead or wait beginning of next year for a 5d4 ? oO
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jimmyD30 on August 03, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
The 5D2 will never shoot 1080p as its bottleneck is the camera's CF card write speed, but shoots very close to it and can be upresed to 1080p without concern :D

As for 5D3 vs 5D4, well I'm hearing the 5D4 is going to shoot 4K, so probably gonna cost like $4K too :-\ but hopefully will knock down the price of 5D2/5D3 a little :P
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: l1nkin on August 03, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: jimmyD30 on August 03, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
The 5D2 will never shoot 1080p as its bottleneck is the camera's CF card write speed, but shoots very close to it and can be upresed to 1080p without concern :D

As for 5D3 vs 5D4, well I'm hearing the 5D4 is going to shoot 4K, so probably gonna cost like $4K too :-\ but hopefully will knock down the price of 5D2/5D3 a little :P

Ok i guess i'm gonna keep 5D2 for a while :)

So I gotta use the latest nighty build to enable RAW, right ?

magiclantern-Nightly.2014Aug02.5D2212.zip
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: jimmyD30 on August 03, 2014, 03:59:11 PM
Not necessarily, but recommended as the nightlies are very stable (certainly not completely or as official release or alpha builds) and have the latest improvements :)

But! Older nightly builds actually have greater horizontal resolution, up to 1888 I believe (1880 for sure) compared to latest of 1846 (I think, I'm on a 5D3 these days, so don't exactly remember, plus could be back to larger now for all I know).

So, yeah, latest nightly should serve you well as long as those few extra lost pixels don't bother you ;)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: l1nkin on August 03, 2014, 09:56:37 PM
Alright, thanks for all the infos!
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: twoframedissolve on October 10, 2014, 09:15:53 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the informative posts. I just ordered for my 5d m3:

Komputerbay 64GB Professional Compact Flash card 1066X CF write 155MB/s read 160MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 7 RAW (amazon)

looking forward to playing with this!
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: RipzRipz on December 28, 2014, 06:08:07 AM
Quote from: soundmaster on July 05, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
I`m using  Sandisk Extreme PRO - 32, 160mb/s
I have 5D markIII
i can shoot without any problems :

1920x1080 RAW video at 24fps
1920x1080 RAW video at 30fps

cheers.


(http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/1/0/22134801/u_22134801.jpg)

Hey SOUNDMASTER: Can you please do a benchmark on your Sandisk 160Mb/s card and post the result picture here?
Just like the one jimmyD30 did.

I'm strongly considering buying the same card, or maybe the 64Gb version. Please do advise.
Thanks
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ibrahim on March 02, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: soundmaster on July 05, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
I`m using  Sandisk Extreme PRO - 32, 160mb/s
I have 5D markIII
i can shoot without any problems :

1920x1080 RAW video at 24fps
1920x1080 RAW video at 30fps

cheers.


(http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/1/0/22134801/u_22134801.jpg)

What is the minimum writing speed a SDXC or CF cards needs to have for 5DMKiii to record continuously at 24fps at 1080p?
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 11:55:34 PM
Is it really that hard to understand that 5d3's SD-card interface is limited to 21 MByte/s write speed?

RAW recording is easy to calculate. Just look at the numbers ML will give you at the bottom line:
Horizontal resolution x vertical resolution x frame rate x 14 / 8 = Byte/s
1920 x 1080 x 24 x 14 / 8 = 87 091 200 Byte/s = 83,1 MByte/s
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ibrahim on March 03, 2015, 11:23:15 AM
Thanks Walter. I'm quite new to this so pardon me for seeming confused.

If I've understood it correctly from your calculations and that's mentioned in the previous posts, my sandisk (extreme pro SDXC I 95MB/s class 10), whose writing speed is at max 95 MB/s, should be able to record in RAW continuously at 1920x1080?

Yet what I don't understand is what do the  mean by "
Quote from: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 11:55:34 PM
Is it really that hard to understand that 5d3's SD-card interface is limited to 21 MByte/s write speed?
From my amateurish understanding the calculations and what you're saying contradict one another... therefore, it seems that I'm missing something. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 03, 2015, 11:28:05 AM
Where is the contradiction? One is bandwidth needed for a specific settting (resolution/frame rate). Another one is bandwidth provided by 5D3's SD-card interface.
One is the condition you need, another one is the condition you are able to use.

And topic is about CF-cards ...

You will have a hard time trying to connect SD-cards into CF-card slots ...
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/infobank/digital_image_file/cfsd-cards.jpg

And don't think about using a SD-to-CF adapter. They are out there but they don't provide fast data transfer rates.
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ibrahim on March 03, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Many thanks Walter. Now I understand the root of my confusion; I didn't take into account that we were in CF card thread. :)
Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ibrahim on April 01, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
My priority is to record at 24fps continuously and 50fps/60fps for at least 1 minute recording as close as possible to 1080p.

Knowing that the CF interface (on the 5D3) is limited to around 100mb/s (from what I've read), is there any benefit from using 1066x card or is say 1000x enough? I am wondering since some, if not most brands, have writing speeds that exceed 100mb/s.

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: ibrahim on April 19, 2015, 01:33:09 PM
I am now using 5D3 and have installed the firmware 1.1.3 using sandisk extreme pro CF-card UDMA 7 64GB 160MB/s.
I was able to install the latest nightly build of ML but the speed is the issue. The top speed I can reach is around 23-25MB/s (the same as that of SD-card even though tghe CF slot is used not the SD slot). I am selecting 1080p 24fps.
What am I doing wrong. Isn't CF card slot supposed to support close 100MB/s?

Title: Re: CF-Cards fast enough for 1920x1080p24/25 5D3 MLraw video
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 19, 2015, 01:52:55 PM
If you own a fast cardreader connected to your computer by a fast interface (USB 3.0, ...) you may use tools like Crystaldiskmark and/or ATTO (Windows) to determine card's speed.
If you don't have access to such an interface you may have a look into your card's root. Benchmark will write a file BENCHx.PPM. Convert it to JPEG, upload it somewhere (picload, imgur or else) and link it here.
If you want to repeat benchmark use photo mode with Global Draw off. And just after starting benchmark press Play button to go to playback mode.