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Title: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 08:54:13 AM
Hey, I thought I would put together a quick comparison of where things are currently at with raw video for each camera type, and what the comparative upsides/downsides/limitations/strengths/etc of each are.

I've listed them top to bottom, of which to my understanding are currently the best options.

Here's a google docs version that you can edit:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5

Note:  The image below is simply a screenshot of the chart, and may not contain updated accurate information.  Please visit the link above for the latest updated chart.

(http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/raw-chart.png)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on June 06, 2013, 09:00:12 AM
5d2 max is not at 1080p . It is 1880x1058 at 16:9 and its only at around 349ish frames.

Max stable and continuous is 1880 x 854 at 2.20:1.

Max stable and continuous at 16:9 ratio is 1720 x 968.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
Okay thanks... Yep if people can specify exactly which resolution each camera is capable of in 16:9 @ 24fps then I'll update it to show the resolutions instead.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 06, 2013, 09:09:40 AM
Buffer size: average on 5D3 (4x32). 60D is the leader here (almost 9x32), so it can record for a few seconds at max resolution.

Speed: 5D3 has around 90 (100+ is only in photo mode), 5D2/50D have around 60, 6D has around 40.

Resolution: 5D3 does full 1920x1080, I think some users reported even 1920x1280 (not sure if continuous). In crop mode, it goes to around 3584x1320 or something like this, for a few seconds.

Aliasing: almost none on 5D3, bad on all others.

Low light: 6D, 5D3, 5D2, all others.

7D should be red.

Also add the 500D.

Would be nice to have a spreadsheet that we can edit.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 09:38:21 AM
Thanks for the information - Yes I'll work on a better format that's updatable, later tonight.

However in the meantime if anyone's able to fill in any of the blanks as per above, appreciated.

Interesting to know about the 60D buffer - If only it had the CF slot.

Interesting about the 6D record rate too.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: LucaBrasi on June 06, 2013, 09:43:31 AM
I believe you can find some data here:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Canon/

Instead of "very large" maby replace with actual numbers?

LB
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 09:53:00 AM
Yep I've updated so far with the numbers that Alex has provided - Is there any way I can find out buffer size etc for the cameras I own? As I could add 50D and 600D buffer sizes if so.

Most of the information left which needs filling in is ML related, so cant find it by looking at camera specs alone.

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: NedB on June 06, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
550D with mk11174's "ML_Mem_All_Fix2" build gives 896x512/23.976fps (video mode) or 24.000fps (photo mode) as maximum continuous shooting resolution with 16x9 aspect ratio. For widescreen, this build will also shoot 1216x416/23.976fps continuously. I had Hacked Mode on the whole time, but not sure if this has any effect at all.

Tip: Download and install the trial of GoPro Cineform Studio Premium and you can view your raw clips as video in more-or-less realtime after converting them to .dng's. Pretty cool. Cheers!

EDIT: Using SanDisk ExtremePro 95MB/s 8GB SD card, formatted with exFAT and 16384KB clusters (Allocation Units). Not sure if exFAT is relevant or not. I did some pretty thorough testing of FAT32vsexFAT and Write/Read speeds seemed almost identical using Atto Disk Benchmark. Of course you NEED exFAT to record clips bigger than 4GB. I tested my setup up to over 6GB, file was fine, extracted .DNG's without a problem using RAW2DNG_Batchelor_1.1 (the newer versions gave me problems so I've stuck with this one).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 101001 on June 06, 2013, 11:22:12 AM
Maybe add in the max number of frames per highest resolution.  And perhaps the resolution of constant record/no dropping.

As first posts go...  This one was truly terrible, I apologize...  Ill improve I swear
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mvejerslev on June 06, 2013, 02:57:05 PM
Very useful chart. We need more of these :-) Thanks.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dlrpgmsvc on June 06, 2013, 04:05:08 PM
what is buffer size NxNN format ? For 550D there is a shoot_malloc of 75Mb, but where to find NxNN equivalent format ?  :o
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 06, 2013, 04:11:03 PM
Here's a google docs version that you can edit (I've hijacked the first post):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5

Buffer size is displayed when you hit record (e.g. 32+32+32+32 = 32x4).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
Ahh great stuff! Thanks.

600D buffer is 30+25

And 50D is 27+27+27+27+27+27   (27x6)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on June 06, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
600D buffer is like 31, 30, 28... + still some blue chunks left.


6D can do 7*32 (photo) so close to 5D series.


EOSM-M is close to 600D... 32, somethin, 2something. Write speed == 6D (same controller).
Idle LV is squished like 720P.. zoom mode hard to get into but not squished.

BTW, fps calculations off on 6D.. I can manually get a 23.976 with mostly unrestricted shutter but the calculator comes up with some wack 1/x to 1/100 or something like that.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 04:42:31 PM
Does the indicated buffer change, depending on settings? As I get the 30+25 for 600D and that's it.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on June 06, 2013, 04:44:30 PM
For sure... NR/Multi shot/pic quality all affect it.

For the 103M you need the sraw hack on 600D.

For decent buffers on 6D/EOSM (unusable without) you need to turn on multi shot NR.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ChrisContiPhoto on June 06, 2013, 05:37:01 PM
Hi all,

I'm a professional photographer, but I'm a ML newbie & this is my first post.
I've added a column to the Google doc for "Max res at 30p continuous"... I hope nobody minds!
I added the column because 30p is important for a lot of people. I'm going to be buying either a BMPC4K or a 5D3 based on what the devs here are able to squeeze out of the 5D3.

By the way, my INFINITE thanks to all the devs here who've volunteered so much of their time and expertise making these cameras better for everyone.  :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Greg on June 06, 2013, 10:08:14 PM
500D :
Buffer size - 2x27 + 20
Max resolution 1080p no crop (max 20FPS) - 1584 x 1060 (dng silent pic - 1590 x 1060)
Max resolution in crop (max 22FPS) - 2000 x 838
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: KMA_WWC on June 06, 2013, 10:18:40 PM
For 5DIII the maximum continous recording on my cards is 1920x1152 and I know a lot more users who can easily record in that resolutions.

UPDATE: I can confirm that with latest build I can easily record 1920x1280 continuous recording on 5DIII with the Hoodman Steel 64gb cards.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dlrpgmsvc on June 07, 2013, 12:44:26 AM
I cannot understand the column :

Max resolution
1280x720
50/60fps

1280x720 no cropped, cropped, or what ?
In what way the fps are related to resolution here ?  ???
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 12:51:01 AM
Set 1280x720 from Canon menu and see what you get. The image is usually stretched, you need to find by how much.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 12:53:13 AM
I've changed the "Record time @ 16:9 almost 1080p 24fps no crop": it should be 1728x922 = 108 frames (not silent pic, which i think it was before - if you change back to SP figure it should read 72 frames).

Problem with 60D is that there seem to be 2 different models - one produces more frames than the other.
So getting accurate figures is going to be a struggle.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 01:07:56 AM
16:9 is 1728x972 on 60D. The mod32/64 restriction is no longer there.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 10:12:07 AM
Still need some input regarding:

- links to confirm the numbers, especially max resolutions for continuous recording (24/30p) and max recording times at best quality (follow the example from Dario Paganini)
- double-check the entries with a question mark (and the others too)
- numbers for 6D, 650D, EOS-M, 1100D
- all other empty cells
- for 5D2/50D continuous 30p I expect identical figures
- for 6D/650D/EOSM 30p I expect identical figures

Thanks!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mixer2 on June 07, 2013, 08:15:05 PM
I tested the EOS M. I'm not sure, if i did everything correct, so i post it in the thread instead of adding it directly to the sheet.

Max resolution 1920x1080 no crop: 1728x672
Max resolution 1280x720 50/60fps: I'm not sure what this exactly means. If i change the video mode from the camera it doesn't affect anything at the raw video recording settings. So i can still select 1728x672.
Max resolution in crop mode [2]: 2496x1056 (19 frames on 30p)
Max res for 24p continuous rec: 1216x672
Max res for 30p continuous rec: 1088x640 (maybe 1024x576, ML says you can just expect 600-10000 frames in 1088x640, but buffer doesn't seem to fill up)
Record time at 16:9 almost 1080p 24fps no crop: 1728x672 -> 92 frames
Comments:
1. Recording without crop leads to squeezed image.
2. FPS override doesn't seem to work with crop. At least for me it doesn't work, maybe anyone else can confirm that. Works with high jello.

The absolute maximum of recordable pixels seems to be around 20000000 pixels per secound (~ 35 mb/s). With that number each possible resolution-frame combination can easily be calculated. Maybe that value should be added to the sheet.
So for example it should be possible to record 1920x434 24p
1920*434*24 = 19998720 < 20000000
Or 1920x1080 with 9,6 fps.
1920*1080*9,6 = 19906560 < 20000000
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: random on June 07, 2013, 08:20:36 PM
Well, not sure if that helps, but my maximum continues shooting without sound is 1536x656 (2,35) with my EOS 6D and a Sandisk Extreme 45mb/s
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on June 07, 2013, 08:29:02 PM
High Jello fast TV works on EOS-M... the other modes I think need a timing change... in line with figuring out correct 23.976
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: xNiNELiVES on June 07, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
I would t st the max frame amount for the max resolution but in the current raw version there isn't the requested resolution in the options.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 10:56:21 PM
Max resolution 1920x1080 no crop: 1728x672

That must be a mistake; can you upload a DNG silent picture?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mixer2 on June 07, 2013, 11:43:52 PM
Of course i can.
The way i tested it, maybe i don't use the correct settings:
boot up in video mode -> load module -> changed to photo mode -> high iso => nr multishot -> activated raw video -> entered raw video sub menu -> aspect ratio => 1:1 (doesn't make any difference to 16:9, i just increased that it doesn't limit the vertical resolution but 16:9 wouldn't have limited it anyways) -> choosed highest resolution i could set -> changed rec key to "menu" -> started recording

that's what i got:
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/p1w5v4k36rhfkyh/000000.dng

hope that helps... what's wrong with the resolution? the low vertical resolution? maybe that's because the images are squeezed without crop?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 11:48:17 PM
Well, in this case I'm sad to notice the EOS-M wins the first place for worst image quality...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mixer2 on June 07, 2013, 11:56:34 PM
Because of the sqeezing bug, the resolution or the quality of the dng?
If it's because of the quality of the dng... it's quite dark here, so it's shot with very high iso. And the squeezing makes it look even more horrible.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 10:53:41 AM
Can you do another test? Look in raw video menu while recording a H.264 video.

I still can't believe 1920x1080 is upscaled from 1728x567...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Gobian on June 08, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
I have been doing some tests if this can help to fill the 6D gaps.

Using [113] Just small Changes.zip with latest H264inis.zip.

Sandisk Extreme Pro 32Gb, 95m/s.

32x7 modules, hack on, and all at 24fps 16:9, in still mode using Raw Video.

1600 x 928 - 192
1665 x 944 - 180,180,180
1728 x 992 - 143,143,143
1792 x 1000 - 121,130,120,130,130,130

And the problem is that with latest build we can not go further on resolutions, it is limited to 1792 width. So it will be very helpful to unlock the limits so we can try to push a little further.

I am going to be doing some more test at other res, and trying to do the same but hack off.

I have noticed what someone has been commenting earlier about not been able to use the aperture of ISO, seems they are locked by the camera and changes seems not have any effect. Is this something that has been done on purpose? Thanx and sorry for my english.  ;)

Any specific tests that needs to be done please let me know and I will try to do them, but with the limits on resolution as said I can not test higher than these.

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: JoshuOne on June 08, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Greetings, I am pleased to report that with my old 500D and a SanDisk ExtremePro 95 MB/s I am able to get 1152X400 @24fps continuous, which scales nicely to 1280X720 in AE with a little noise reduction and sharpening. The Module I used is the tragic lantern, enabled with a bin that mk11174 floated my way. The results look good, although no 1080p, but it is an old camera (which I would trade in a heartbeat for a 50D, which is even older ;-)
Just thought I would report, as I am extremely happy to be on the bleeding edge with the rest of you all. Thanks so much, a1ex, 1%, mk11174 and everyone else that is developing this fine piece of software.
ps if there is something that I'm missing as far as pulling higher res from this camera/card combo, please let me know.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mixer2 on June 08, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
Can you do another test? Look in raw video menu while recording a H.264 video.

I still can't believe 1920x1080 is upscaled from 1728x567...

why 1728x567? 1728x672 is what we get.

If i enable raw video and start h.264 recording i'm not able to get into ML menu. Without raw recording enabled, but module loaded, i get into ML menu, but don't get any information about the resolution.
In video mode and enabled raw video (while not recording), i also get a maximum of 1728x672. It says 1728x688 for a moment, but then switches to 1728x672. 1664x688 is also possible.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 01:22:06 PM
Because 1728x672 covers the 3:2 area, not 16:9.

If you can't get into menu, take some silent pics while recording and upload a DNG.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Gobian on June 08, 2013, 01:27:34 PM
On a 6D, continuous recording at 1280X720 24p no issues, as it saves 36,9mb/s no problems, but  higher than that at some point stops recording.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
Updated, can you confirm the other fields? I don't know the maximum resolutions, read them from menu.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mixer2 on June 08, 2013, 01:46:26 PM
The resolution of the silent pictures seem to be good news, aren't they?
1734x1158 for 1920x1080
1734x695 for 1280x720

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/z2h2y6xql2blmu9/720.DNG
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/42drg7af0lj1tiq/1080.DNG

Is it normal, that they are scaled up... even into another aspect ratio? Does Canon also do so while native h.264 recording? So recording for example 1472x608 and then scale it to 1280x720 or 1920x1080 is not a bug, but like it should be?

Oh, and might it be possible to record interlaced... Maybe it would be possible to record 1734x975 24i continuously with eos m....

1728x992 12p seem to work  continuously (don't know why ML calculates that as 16:9 instead of 1728x927)... ML says, that it might stop between 400-10000 frames, but buffer doesn't seem to fill up and it uses less then 35mb, which seem to work without filling up the buffer... with 37mb/s it's limited to ~1500-2000 frames.
At least 1664x944 12p is definitively possible. And that should be exactly the same amount of data as 1664x944 24i.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 01:55:37 PM
Good and bad.

Good: you can get the same video quality as the other APS-C canons;
Bad: we need to figure a way to work around the H.264 (very low bitrate, or some other way to get into that video mode without actually recording).

For now, I don't think it makes sense to post performance data for the EOS-M.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: NitromanX on June 08, 2013, 06:20:59 PM
That 'table' at the start of the thread is really very helpful and informative - but shame it's not a spread sheet that can be updated.

So can we just recap ...

What sort of performance and resolution can we expect from the 5D Mark II at 25 fps (i'm in PAL land UK) ?

Is it likely that the 5D Mark II will ever be able to deliver 1920 x 1080p 25 fps continuous raw in 14 bit ?

If not, when will we be likely to see it in 12 bit. I'm not sure there's that much difference between 12bit and 14bit - there certainly isn't a huge difference in stills between my 5D Mark I Classic (12bit) and my 5D Mark II (14bit).

The 'table' would also be really helpful if it suggested which cards are also recommend for each camera.

You guys at ML are so cool and we owe so much to you all. A big thanks ... I think we are ALL still amazed at how this raw feature is evolving.

A big thanks to all involved.  ;D



Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
It's not likely to get 1920 x 1080p because the sensor is sampled at a lower resolution (1880). It's also not likely to get any more speed improvements for continuous recording - it already records at pretty much the benchmark speed.

It's also not likely to see 12-bit anytime soon, because the CPU is very slow for any sort of postprocessing.

The table can be edited, but you need a mouse to click on the link.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on June 08, 2013, 06:54:03 PM
Eos M is 1728x1151 when in FULLHD/recording, normal buffer is 960x639

720P is identical at rest and 1280x689 while recording...

I need to log what is run when recording starts and run that to do normal sized LV. BTW 650D should have the same problem.



Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Petruk on June 08, 2013, 08:36:42 PM
350 frames for a Canon 5D M2 just double checking here - is that right? Only 10 + seconds of footage possible? Sorry, I'm not a techie.
Petruk
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: mixer2 on June 08, 2013, 09:19:11 PM
You'll get more frames with lower resolution or frame rate. Check the column "Max res for 24p continuous rec". You can continuously record 24 fps 1728x972 with 5d m2.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: NitromanX on June 08, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Thanks A1ex for the info - not to mention all your hard work !

I've only just downloaded ML and am having a play. Once i get it working properly i'll be more than happy to make a gratuitous donation !  ;D

However, I'm in PAL land UK, if i want 25fps, 14bit continuous raw recording, can i set 1600 x 900 pixels in ML and upsize to standard 1920 x 1080 HD proportions ? I know it's not perfect but i'm guessing the quality will still be far superior to Canon h.264 Cinestyle video and my 5D2 is 5 years old  ! ;)

Is there still a 4Gb file limit for converting raw to dng with Macs ?

So for a 5D2, i just need a CF card that writes at 65mb/s - is there any size / make you would recommend ?

Is the ML current build pretty safe and useable now as i'm not much of a techie and not sure whether to wait a little longer ! ;D
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: linyingyen on June 09, 2013, 12:38:04 PM
Right now the spread sheet states 5D3 CF write speed as 100.
I assume that is referring to Photo Mode? As a1ex has stated in Reply#3 that in video mode is only 90.
May need some clarification on that.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 12:56:29 PM
I did not say 90.000 ;)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: linyingyen on June 09, 2013, 01:03:35 PM
Speed: 5D3 has around 90 (100+ is only in photo mode)

ah, I thought you said around 90? typo?
sorry about that if I misquoted you.


ah, never mind, I see your point  :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on June 09, 2013, 09:14:27 PM
6D photo mode + movie mode speeds are identical.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: necronomfive on June 10, 2013, 12:49:47 AM
Maximum speeds Canon EOS 50D (KomputerBay 32GB card):

1x mode: 1584x1056 (66.9 MB/s) -> ?? MB/s achievable
5x/10x mode: 1920x818 (62.9 MB/s) -> 65.5 MB/s achievable, limited by DMA

This is with June 8th build of ML.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roman on June 11, 2013, 04:45:47 AM
Updated 50D to new speed available - 70 to 73mb/s with the new build. Woot!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: hammermina on June 11, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
hi i found this tests...

cardspeeds

http://www.traumflieger.de/desktop/kameras/testverfahren/kartentest.php
Title: CANON T3i (600D) raw video?
Post by: Miles on June 11, 2013, 06:10:31 PM
I'm new to this, so bare with me. I have a Canon T3i (600D) with ML v3.2 installed fresh last night. I saw on a video from FXPHD background series (bkd228-class06) that theres a Modules menu that gets you to the raw-rec option. I know that the camera they did the demo on is a 5D, my T3i does not display the Modules menu - therefore I can't shot in RAW.

I'm interested in green screen work for VFX. Any tips regarding what memory card to use and such would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Miles
Title: Re: CANON T3i (600D) raw video?
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 11, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
I'm new to this, so bare with me. I have a Canon T3i (600D) with ML v3.2 installed fresh last night. I saw on a video from FXPHD background series (bkd228-class06) that theres a Modules menu that gets you to the raw-rec option. I know that the camera they did the demo on is a 5D, my T3i does not display the Modules menu - therefore I can't shot in RAW.

I'm interested in green screen work for VFX. Any tips regarding what memory card to use and such would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Miles

You're asking this in the wrong thread.  In addition, reading the forum before asking would be a good idea.  In particular, you may want to start with the thread titled "Uncompressed 600D raw video" here:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5494.0
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: keyth on June 12, 2013, 03:18:59 AM
Hy guys here a SDHC CARD 8/16/32 gigabyte SDHC 94 mb/s and an SDXC 64 gigabyte 94 mb/s made SONY..can help this to recording 1920x1080 on canon 60D? price is very affordable too http://www.sony.it/product/sd-expert-uhs-94mbs-sdhc-cards
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ilguercio on June 12, 2013, 06:42:35 AM
Hy guys here a SDHC CARD 8/16/32 gigabyte SDHC 94 mb/s and an SDXC 64 gigabyte 94 mb/s made SONY..can help this to recording 1920x1080 on canon 60D? price is very affordable too http://www.sony.it/product/sd-expert-uhs-94mbs-sdhc-cards
No, 60D is limited by its hardware and won't go past 20 MB/s anyway.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: JulianH on June 12, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
Nice overview. I think the 50D is a bit underrated for low light at 'average' - I haven't done many comparisons with the 5D2, but in a small one I did, I think the 50D might even have the edge. Will try to do a better test next week when I have both available.

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: RobertH16 on June 13, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
The following is assuming you shoot in RAW, obviously. The chart says that aliasing is bad on the 5D2, but there is a VAF which corrects the situation. For continuous 24p shooting at 16:9 the best you can do is 1280x720. Since the filter was meant for shooting 1080p I had concerns with 720p having even less lines, one of the reasons for aliasing, and I am wondering if it will help with RAW if I shoot at 720p. I'm thinking it could possibly make it worse, different, but bottom line just being a waste of money. Can anyone shed some light on this/share their wisdom with me? Thank you!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 13, 2013, 04:05:10 PM
The following is assuming you shoot in RAW, obviously. The chart says that aliasing is bad on the 5D2, but there is a VAF which corrects the situation. For continuous 24p shooting at 16:9 the best you can do is 1280x720. Since the filter was meant for shooting 1080p I had concerns with 720p having even less lines, one of the reasons for aliasing, and I am wondering if it will help with RAW if I shoot at 720p. I'm thinking it could possibly make it worse, different, but bottom line just being a waste of money. Can anyone shed some light on this/share their wisdom with me? Thank you!

You can shoot 1728x972 reliably with a 1000x card on the 5D Mark II.  The resolution at that size is much better than the built-in 1080p h.264.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: intrinsic on June 13, 2013, 05:48:30 PM
You can shoot 1728x972 reliably with a 1000x card on the 5D Mark II.
It is probably reliable resolution with some particular 1000x cards, for instance my 16Gb Transcend 1000x at 1728x972 gives me only around 500 frames.



Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 13, 2013, 07:39:36 PM
It is probably reliable resolution with some particular 1000x cards, for instance my 16Gb Transcend 1000x at 1728x972 gives me only around 500 frames.

Sure.  There are plenty of threads about recommended cards.  With the 32G Lexar cards I'm using in my 5D Mark II, 1728x972 has been about 95% reliable up to around 2 minutes and I haven't tried recording much longer than that (no reason to try, really), but at 2 minutes it had spanned at least once and the buffer was still looking fine (hovering between 1-2 *) so I'd expect it to keep spanning OK.
Even if you can't push 1728x972, I'd imagine that you could still push 1600x900 which is still at least a bit better than 1280x720 - especially if you crank your stills quality down to jpeg.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: intrinsic on June 13, 2013, 09:46:05 PM
Even if you can't push 1728x972, I'd imagine that you could still push 1600x900 which is still at least a bit better than 1280x720
Yes, 1600x900 is stable in my case, and it's MUCH better than 1280x720 especially in terms of details in shadows, noise and dynamic range.
I also use Tokina 11-16 EF-S, it helps to avoid issue with cropping on lower resolutions, so even at 1600x900 I still have a full wide angle.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on June 15, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
I made some corrections to the 5D2 entry based on new tests I did today with a 32gig 1000x lexar and recording to fill up cf card.

The max 24P resolution than goes continuous and stable is not 1728x972 16:9 but 1880 x854 2.20:1.

1728x972 could only get between 6,500 - 7,100 frames, I could push it higher with GD=OFF, FPS over ride=23.976, preview=Hacked I could achieve 10,000 frames approx. This is already 7 minutes of footage and nears the capacity of the CF card. File size is approx 27.7 gig.

1880x854 fills card till full at 29.7 gig (31,930,872,768 bytes).

Also, Max Resolution in crop mode is slightly higher with 2152x1078 instead of 2144, this is achieved by selecting 2240, and since ML menu says its not possible it automatically gives you the nearest possible res which is 2152x1078.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: tother on June 16, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
I'll be doing lots of tests the next two week and will update my post.

24fps / 1920x1280 / 3:2 / Preview HaCKeD / Memory Hack ON / Komputerbay 64GB (128GB does not).
60fps / 1600x864 / 1:85:1 / Preview HaCKeD / Memory Hack ON / Komputerbay 64GB (128GB does not).

64gb Komputerbay 1000x = 101mb/sec @ 19280x1280 = continuous
128gb Komputerbay 1000x = 68mb/sec @ 19280x1280 = 77 frames :(

Looks like I'll be ordering a bunch of 64gb cards!

Pretty awesome considering this is a $3K camera :) This is the best solution for an inexpensive 60fps raw camera. Wish the BMPC had higher frame rates or the Scarlet Dragon was a more realistic price 1/2 of what it is... might as well get an Epic X!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: kgv5 on June 16, 2013, 02:00:58 PM
Since the filter was meant for shooting 1080p I had concerns with 720p having even less lines, one of the reasons for aliasing, and I am wondering if it will help with RAW if I shoot at 720p. I'm thinking it could possibly make it worse, different, but bottom line just being a waste of money. Can anyone shed some light on this/share their wisdom with me? Thank you!

RAW 720 is a crop from 1080p with the same line skipping factor as 1080p. Canon stock 720p is something different. I have just bought VAF-6D and I am going to test it and make some comparisons.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: guentergunter on June 16, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
5D2 write rate with Lexar Professional 1000x (32Gb and 64GB) is about 67.9MB/s.

Thus I'm able to continuously record at [email protected] (2.20:1).
Title: 60D User looking to Upgrade
Post by: Abstrak on June 18, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
Hey everyone this is my first post on the forum but I have been a long ML supporter and have ML on my 60D. With this breakthrough of Raw video on Canon DSLRs, I have been weighing my options on my next purchase. I was in the market for the BMCC but I really love the idea of being able to shoot raw video and raw stills with the 5DMk3. Also the fact you can shoot up to 3K in 1:1 crop mode is amazing. All the footage I have seen is mind blowing. I havent really found a thread on here after searching for a FAQ or consolidated answers. I have a few questions I am a new shooter still learning only about 3 years under my belt so excuse my ignorance lol.

1.) I've scrapped the BMCC purchase and fully plan on getting a MK3 in the coming weeks. So how many compact flash cards would I need before having to dump footage? (If my calculations are right I would fill up one card in like 7 or 8 minutes). Are people using hyperdecks and ninjas recording to larger ssds seems to be a more viable solution if capable?

2.) I havent been able to find anything on an audio solution this has to to be done off camera? Or can I shoot in camera audio and back it up off camera?

3.) I know its still in its infancy but any news on recording 60D raw via clean hdmi and a recorder. Would love to use it as a b cam if it possible.

Thanks in advance for any direction and advice. I give my complete and up most respect to the ML team for an absolutely amazing job. I fully plan to donate to more development once the funds become available. 
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: kgv5 on June 18, 2013, 10:21:06 PM
RAW 720 is a crop from 1080p with the same line skipping factor as 1080p. Canon stock 720p is something different. I have just bought VAF-6D and I am going to test it and make some comparisons.

Now I can confirm: VAF-6D works great with raw footage in any resolution with 1x magnification as well as h264 in 1080p.
Besides of aliasing and moire I also finally get rid of color artifacts in raw.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on June 20, 2013, 03:32:14 AM
Edited spreadsheet to change entry for 5DmkII in 30P mode.

Using Jun 18 NB compiled by a.d.

Max res for 30 continuous recording is

1472 x 828 . Tested with 1000x lexar, recording till card is full.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: gloch on June 20, 2013, 07:07:39 PM
So, with my MKIII I should be able to record 1920x672 60fps? I have the 64gig KomputerBay and it gives me like 75 frames and then stops. I am running ML off an SD card in the other slot. Does that inhibit the speed?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: xNiNELiVES on June 21, 2013, 03:02:23 AM
Umm... I'd like to test the 6d's frames at 1816x1022 but this resolution isn't selectable. Why isn't it with the digit 5 processor?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on June 21, 2013, 06:23:44 AM
I took off the heigh restriction for the next one.. on 50D not much difference.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: xNiNELiVES on June 21, 2013, 08:07:22 AM
I took off the heigh restriction for the next one.. on 50D not much difference.

Thanks, but what about the width, thats what I especially care about.

EDIT: Hey my posts don't have to be approved by a moderator anymore hooray!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: midnite on June 21, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
650d can record 1280x640 without any problem. (sony sdhc write speed 45mb/s)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: bradybunch987 on June 24, 2013, 08:11:24 PM
How did you get the camera to record that low of resolution?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Macielle on June 26, 2013, 10:35:18 AM
is this chart updated?

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on June 26, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
is this chart updated?

In the First post, the chart that opens in the link is updated. The image of a chart shown is NOT.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Audionut on June 26, 2013, 11:08:01 AM
Why is the 6D marked as only having good low light ability?  Is this something funky that's going on with video mode?

DXO says it has some of the best low light capability of any Canon camera (in raw photo mode).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on June 26, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
6D has line skipping, 5D3 doesn't seem to have. Line skipping affects noise too, not just moire. Some samples will help, if anybody has these two cameras and can do a comparison.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Audionut on June 26, 2013, 11:20:15 AM
I'll fix up the samples for the 5D3 and post them in the other thread.  Won't be until tomorrow though.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 08:41:02 AM
audionut or Roman,

Could you edit the still image of the spreadsheet in the 1st post and make it a link instead that will redirect to the editable spreadsheet?

I think many will click on the chart and think its is current and up to date.

If thats not possible perhaps edit that image with a watermark across stating,"NOT UPDATED/CLICK ON LINK TO GO TO UPDATED CHART" or something like it.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 11:11:24 PM
updated chart to show max continuous recording for 5D2 at 30P.

With jun 27 "small hacks" max res continuous is at 1600 x 900.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dreamARTz on July 01, 2013, 01:18:36 PM
I'm planning to buy SANDISK SDHC 32GB EXTREME (writing/reading speed 45mb/s) for my 650D for filming RAW. Does it worth to, or there are some better (mb cheaper with lower speed) options for 650D?  :-\
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Can on July 01, 2013, 03:03:16 PM
I wouldn't go cheaper. The Sandisk Extreme seems to be optimal.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 01, 2013, 03:09:45 PM
720p24 with SanDisk Extreme 45 MByte/s: Longer recordings do have dropped frames.
No such problem with SanDisk 95 MByte/s.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Can on July 01, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
720p24 with SanDisk Extreme 45 MByte/s: Longer recordings do have dropped frames.
No such problem with SanDisk 95 MByte/s.

Ciao, Walter

Good point - if you can afford it, the Pro does have some advantages. I have noticed some slightly longer recording times with the Pro also.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: 1% on July 01, 2013, 05:20:04 PM
Quote
6D has line skipping,

In zoom mode the image is shorter than in regular mode and only like 2 or 3k wide.. Maybe there is a limit on how much they could sample with this camera. Sucks there is no crop mode like 650D/EOSM.

The sensor itself I think edges out 5DIII on low light.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dreamARTz on July 01, 2013, 06:48:27 PM
720p24 with SanDisk Extreme 45 MByte/s: Longer recordings do have dropped frames.
No such problem with SanDisk 95 MByte/s.

Ciao, Walter
Thanks for the info sir! 95mb/s SanDisk Extreme seems expensive  :-[ BTW approximately how much  can I achieve with 45 mb/s?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 01, 2013, 07:29:54 PM
BTW approximately how much  can I achieve with 45 mb/s?

I just did a single test with 1280x640 and 24 fps. It terminated after about 2 minutes. Don't know how predictable a buffer overflow is. Don't know if the developers will find a way to push the write speed limit again. There is a gap between the numbers "plain" photo benchmark is giving and the numbers needed for dropless video.

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: spider on July 03, 2013, 11:58:21 PM
What does "Max resolution in crop mode [2]" in column exactly mean?
I press the zoom button so I get 5x magnification in LV and look which resolution I can now set?

I want to fill in some more information about 650D tomorrow.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: kgv5 on July 07, 2013, 02:19:43 AM
I would like to ask 5D3 owners:

could you please make a comparison video 1920x800 vs 1800x.... vs 1700x.... vs 1600x... (more or less) I think many 6D ( and maybe 5D2) owners would be interested how far away those lower resolution are in comparison to full 1920x800 in terms of sharpness and details. Please make it in 1x mode and with the same framing - I mean when picture is cropped increase a distance a little bit.
Thanks
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: kgv5 on July 07, 2013, 04:07:43 PM
I have made such a comparison, 5D3 footage from neumannfilms website.

1920x800 vs 1808x756 crop vs 1728x724 crop.

Unfortunatelly framing is not accurate because lower resolutions are just upscaled crops from 1920x800.  YT compression sucks, thats why additionally I added dropbox link for direct download if you would like to see this better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-7UspVUb8

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvewws2bsal63gc/resolution%20comparison%20HQ.mp4

The difference is visible but not as much as I expected (I didn't use any special upscale app, just simply changed the scale in AE).

If 2,39:1 aspect ratio is good for your needs and 16-22 seconds are enough - 6D raw quality would be very similar to 5D2 and 5D3.

EDIT: today i tried upscaling with InstantHD - the result is astonishing!
When i was making an normal resize in AE by say 106,2% the footage becames a little softer, still very good but softer. With InstantHD is as crisp as original - the only difference is in framing. I am really amazed!!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: akumiszcza on July 11, 2013, 09:00:35 AM
Why 40D in chart has exFAT and 50D doesn't?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: a1ex on July 11, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Because everybody has write access?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: spider on July 18, 2013, 10:22:19 PM
I want to fill in some more information about 650D tomorrow.
Ok not tomorrow, but now I filled some more data in and gave the 650D an own line, because I can't confirm the data for the other.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Rush on July 20, 2013, 01:13:30 PM
SUGGESTION FOR COMPARISON CHART:
It is not correct to put EOS M to "bad", and 650D/700D/100D to "not bad" - they are equal in terms of RAW video capabilities.
Difference is only in VAF availability.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: zutramar on August 02, 2013, 12:00:41 AM
Hi.
Been reading through the forums.
I'd like to change my 7D to a Canon with Raw capability through ML.
One thing I'm not 100% clear on, monitoring.
Is it right that live view does still work whilst recording video but you can't play it back on the camera or on a computer until you've converted the footage to a usable format?
If this is so, is there any likelihood it's something that could be changed in future MagicLantern builds/is it something that's being worked on? Have I already missed it? Am I being dumb?
All help much appreciated with this.
thanks
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: reddeercity on August 05, 2013, 01:36:52 AM
Hi.
Been reading through the forums.
I'd like to change my 7D to a Canon with Raw capability through ML.
One thing I'm not 100% clear on, monitoring.
Is it right that live view does still work whilst recording video but you can't play it back on the camera or on a computer until you've converted the footage to a usable format?
If this is so, is there any likelihood it's something that could be changed in future MagicLantern builds/is it something that's being worked on? Have I already missed it? Am I being dumb?
All help much appreciated with this.
thanks
go here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.950
this is the link  for raw 7D
Starts at about page 36 i think  :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on August 11, 2013, 06:23:40 AM
time to update the 7D row of information. :)

I think its position should now be in 4th place?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: xNiNELiVES on August 11, 2013, 07:40:43 AM
This guy is afk I think.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: wallpaperviking on August 13, 2013, 11:54:50 AM
Hi, I did post this in another section but I did not get any replies, so figure I would try again here..   I am brand spankin new here so please be gentle if this is a really dumb question   So I have been following the Canon Raw development and like everyone else here I am sure, think it is exciting times indeed!  Now with the price drop of the MIcro 4/3's BMCC, it makes it both confusing and exciting times ahead...
 
So, as pointed out, this is a potentially very stupid newbie question but here goes anyway....
 
Does the new Canon Firmware that enables you to record to an external recorder have any place with the Magic Lantern Raw developments with the 5DIII?  There seems to be so much talk about recording with a fast enough CF card for shooting RAW, does there exist or is it at all likely in the future to exist, a possibility to record RAW on the 5DIII onto one of these external recorders?
 
Ok, thanks so much, look forward to hearing any thoughts or responses.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: SamW4tson on August 13, 2013, 03:43:14 PM
does there exist or is it at all likely in the future to exist, a possibility to record RAW on the 5DIII onto one of these external recorders?

External recorders use the HDMI output, and I don't believe that the camera can output RAW data via the HDMI. So, in short, no.

time to update the 7D row of information. :)

I think its position should now be in 4th place?

Anyone can edit the file - post the data and I'll do it if you want :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on August 13, 2013, 04:00:16 PM
Anyone can edit the file - post the data and I'll do it if you want :)

I used to. I made several inputs on the 5d mkII row, It seems locked now. Probably due to lots of wrong entries.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: wallpaperviking on August 14, 2013, 04:29:47 AM
Hi SamW4tson,

Thanks for that, I thought that may be the case as someone else would have mentioned it already :)

Thanks again.

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Dreadas on August 15, 2013, 12:31:23 AM
5d2 max is not at 1080p . It is 1880x1058 at 16:9 and its only at around 349ish frames.

Max stable and continuous is 1880 x 854 at 2.20:1.

Max stable and continuous at 16:9 ratio is 1720 x 968.

Is this still the case... and how many min is this?
How long can you shoot on the camera in one take?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on August 15, 2013, 02:08:56 AM
Is this still the case... and how many min is this?
How long can you shoot on the camera in one take?

With the current build for the 5D2 that is dated aug 9 compiled by a.d.

The highest possible res to record is at
1880x1058 16:9 = 1049 approx frames

Highest continuous recording is at
1880 x 940 2:1 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording is at
1728 x 972 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest res in crop mode is at
2144 x 1076 = 358 approx frames

near full HD res in crop mode is at
1920 x 1076 = 1223 approc frames

Highest 16:9 continuous recording in crop mode is at
1856 x 1044 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: xNiNELiVES on August 15, 2013, 05:55:49 AM
With the current build for the 5D2 that is dated aug 9 compiled by a.d.

The highest possible res to record is at
1880x1058 16:9 = 1049 approx frames

Highest continuous recording is at
1880 x 940 2:1 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording is at
1728 x 972 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest res in crop mode is at
2144 x 1076 = 358 approx frames

near full HD res in crop mode is at
1920 x 1076 = 1223 approc frames

Highest 16:9 continuous recording in crop mode is at
1856 x 1044 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Thanks for updating this.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ZeGerman on August 17, 2013, 07:33:20 PM
What happened to the audio? In the earlier builds it was possible to record a seperate wav file while recording raw but now it's gone? Any chance of it coming back or any alternatives?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: David J. Fulde on August 18, 2013, 07:28:49 AM
Hey, so looking at the google Doc and my own tests I learned something:
By setting the resolution to 720P 60FPS, and using the FPS Override to 23.976 we can shoot at a whopping 1280X388 (2.35:1) on the 550D instead of the 'official' 960X540
holy. shit.

It seems that you need to 'warm up' the card a bit to do this, but I will do some more tests and get some sample footage out for you all by monday(ish) MAYBE tomorrow.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: BrotherD on August 20, 2013, 08:56:09 PM
Hey, so looking at the google Doc and my own tests I learned something:
By setting the resolution to 720P 60FPS, and using the FPS Override to 23.976 we can shoot at a whopping 1280X388 (2.35:1) on the 550D instead of the 'official' 960X540
holy. shit.

It seems that you need to 'warm up' the card a bit to do this, but I will do some more tests and get some sample footage out for you all by monday(ish) MAYBE tomorrow.

David, this sounds interesting! How would 1280x388 change, as far as resizing in post, if I use my 1.33 anamorphic lens (Panasonic LA 7200)? 
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: David J. Fulde on August 22, 2013, 05:14:25 PM
David, this sounds interesting! How would 1280x388 change, as far as resizing in post, if I use my 1.33 anamorphic lens (Panasonic LA 7200)? 

I should note that the actual resolution ends up being 1280X581 after you stretch it from the original 1280X388

And BrotherD I have absolutely no idea, I've never used anamorphic lenses and, therefore, have little real world knowledge on them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNfVeQVt8HI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUhojHLauasQxGFmqlHQC6Fw is a link to a short, not great, comparison video I did (I tried to account for the crop with a zoom lens and I did my math wrong, which is why some of the FOV are so different.)

From the video description:

"This is a comparison of the MAgic Lantern RAW capabilities on the Canon T2i. shooting at a resolution of 1280X388 (Stretched to 1280X581) which is far more than the 'official' spec of 960X540

Some of these are flipped due to the framing I had made it difficult to see the difference.

Some of the shots are not identical as I changed focal lengths to try and account for the crop that happens when filming RAW like this and, frankly, did my math wrong.

I tried my best to keep the framings similar but.. It didn't work. Each comparison was shot on the same lens, either with a zoom or by moving around with a Prime."
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Datadogie on August 22, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
How can you get more pixels. 960x540 gives you 21,760 more pixels than 1280x388. With the anamorphic lens are you not just getting a stretched pixel making you think that there are two pixels.  I think the sd card controller can only handle 518,400 pixels at maximum frame rate.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: BrotherD on August 22, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
Data, are you saying that 960x540 is "better" than 1288x388 for anamorphic shooting with the T2i? If it is not too much to ask, how do you calculate pixels? Thanks.

Derrick
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: David J. Fulde on August 22, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
How can you get more pixels. 960x540 gives you 21,760 more pixels than 1280x388. With the anamorphic lens are you not just getting a stretched pixel making you think that there are two pixels.  I think the sd card controller can only handle 518,400 pixels at maximum frame rate.

did a small test to see how much this matters

http://imgur.com/a/O8Cp9

Long story short: Very little when not shooting with anamorphic lenses
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Repetitor on August 24, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
Can someone please explain to me how you got the numbers for writespeed on Canon 6D? When I record a video (regular not raw, 1080p in 24p mode), import it to Windows, right click on it and go under details, the video data rate shows between 80000-95000 kB/s, depending on the image and movement in the video. Does this number have anything to do with writespeed of the camera, and if it does, than isn't the real write speed much higher that the 40 MB/s as the table states? Can someone please try to explain this to me, I'm new to DSLR video and especially ML community, but I thought that producing a video with 80-95 MB bitrate would demand a card that is capable of faster writespeed than 40 MB/s. Maybe I'm interpreting these numbers all wrong???
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: arrinkiiii on August 31, 2013, 01:33:20 PM
Yep, i think is time to update this chart
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Pelican on August 31, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
the video data rate shows between 80000-95000 kB/s
I doubt it. My windows reports data rate in kbps.
kbps <> kB/s 
1 Byte = 8 bit
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: JulianH on September 01, 2013, 05:00:37 PM
but I thought that producing a video with 80-95 MB bitrate would demand a card that is capable of faster writespeed than 40 MB/s. Maybe I'm interpreting these numbers all wrong???
The bit rate of that 80/95 Mbps video is is Mb/s, not MB/s.
95 Mbps = 11.875 MB/s. (https://www.google.com/search?q=mb+vs+MB&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a#q=95+Mb%2Fs+in+MB%2Fs)

Raw video with lets say 80MB/s, has a bitrate of 640Mb/s.
Title: RAW VIDEO on 5D2, Komputerbay 64GB 1000x UDMA7 :) Hope you like it.
Post by: oleg2007 on September 07, 2013, 08:37:47 PM
Y just did this test  :D :)


Here are some data about it:

████►DOWNLOAD THE ORIGINAL FOOTAGE (1.71 GB)◄████
Link: https://mega.co.nz/#!h1sXUY4D!CvnuewhP3p5_1eE0Zh-fBTNJ8IBylXi2Qn5FGTOEGY0

MAGIC LANTERN'S RAW Test.
By: Oleg Litvin - www.facebook.com/oleglitvin

Testing Magic Lantern's RAW Mode.
Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Lens: Canon EF 50mm F/1.4 USM, Canon 24-105 mm f4 EF L IS USM, Arsat 80mm f/2.8 Tilt Shift.
Card: CF Komputerbay Professional 64GB 1000x UDMA7.
S: 1/47 (ML)
F: Multiple
ISO: 100, 200, 640, 800 & 1600
1880 x 960 RAW (Upscaled to 1920 x 800) -- 23,976 fps (FPS OVERRIDE, BITRATE FW DEFAULT)

NO ADDITIONAL LIGHTS
NO CUSTOM WHITE BALANCE
NO IS
RECORDED IN DIFFERENT THOUGH AMBIENT, LOW LIGHT, OVEREXPOSED, UNDER, ...

(The idea is to see what can ML RAW rescue from random though footage)
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Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: frspp on September 09, 2013, 10:46:47 AM
Yep, i think is time to update this chart
Yes please. For example on 5d2 column "record time at 16:9, 24p, no crop" column it says 1856*1004 which isn't actually 16:9 (1.78:1) but 1.85:1. Maybe also fill in which card was used as there might be differences?

With the current build for the 5D2 that is dated aug 9 compiled by a.d.

Highest continuous recording is at
1880 x 940 2:1 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording is at
1728 x 972 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)

Highest 16:9 continuous recording in crop mode is at
1856 x 1044 = record till your CF card is full (64gig around 15 minutes)
What's the difference in the last two? I mean they both are cropped, right?

I think I read somewhere that even on h264 1920 px material is upscaled from 1880 or 1872 or 1856 px sensor output, right? The spreadsheat also states same on the same 5d2 column "record time at 16:9, 24p, no crop" as it reads 1856*1004.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: bjacklee on September 09, 2013, 01:41:20 PM
What is the current performance details for 6d right now? Im planning to upgrade from 60d to 6d but im not sure if its worth upgrading based on the 6d/60d raw recording capabilities.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DjJuvan on September 11, 2013, 08:01:24 PM
I have a little problem with RAW recording on 5D Mark III; while I'm used to work in a very fast environment, the default recording on 5dmk3/550D is really quick when starting/stopping recording. Than again, when I work with RAW, the starting time is way to slower, and when I stop the recording, I have to wait to make another start. Like said, I do a lot of clips in production for really quick post-production process. Is there any chance to optimize the code to make it faster to start/stop the recording?

Thank you for your hard work!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: condra on September 13, 2013, 10:53:32 PM
Great thread. Thanks.

I only installed it today but for now I'm getting the best results on my 5d2 using 1600x900 24p continuous shooting with 1000x Transcend card ...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Flocksock on October 01, 2013, 08:32:42 PM
hmm.
i wish the list would be more specific.
For example the 60D Row:

continuous rec = 960 x 540 px.
137 frames = 1728 x 972 px.

I wish people whi tried RAW would feed the doc with more pixelsize info + rec . time.

What about 1280 x ___  (720p) how many frame recording is possible.
(maybe i have to install and test it by myself)

And will the RAW Feature ever get into a "stable release" of ML?
I'm not asking when it will happen. take your time. I'm just asking
if the RAW feature will become a stable thing or not.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Andy600 on October 01, 2013, 08:37:55 PM

(maybe i have to install and test it by myself)


Yes, that's how all the other figures on the chart were reached.

By testing it yourself and adding your findings to the charts you are contributing to Magic Lantern.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: thedcmule2 on October 05, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
I read around and here are some things I heard about 5D3 ML RAW that aren't matching up with the google doc:

1) It shoots in 2.5K continuous (doc is showing 1920x1080x only)
2) It now records audio (cant tell by doc)
3) It shoots 60fps at 1920x1080p for slow-mo (doc showing 1920x672, 1.61x...which means what?)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: thedcmule2 on October 05, 2013, 02:38:23 PM
Also, can you preview what you recorded on the back the camera?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 06, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
I read around and here are some things I heard about 5D3 ML RAW that aren't matching up with the google doc:

1) It shoots in 2.5K continuous (doc is showing 1920x1080x only)
2) It now records audio (cant tell by doc)
3) It shoots 60fps at 1920x1080p for slow-mo (doc showing 1920x672, 1.61x...which means what?)


NOT!  Get your facts straight before you write a post.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: togg on October 08, 2013, 01:06:02 PM
1880 X 1016  continuous on 5D Mark II :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: saeed2vfx on October 09, 2013, 10:46:12 AM
why the canon 70d is not in there list?  :-[
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Flocksock on October 09, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
READ THIS:
Topic: Anyone try Raw with the 70D Yet??
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8279.0


Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: hwy29 on October 28, 2013, 02:07:02 AM
1880 X 1016  continuous on 5D Mark II :)

Hi,
What make and size/speed card are you using?

I can only record continuous 1880x840 on my mark II with a Komputerbay 1000x 32gb. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be able to record a larger frame size? Also, I've read through these forums and the ML user guide, but cannot seem to find how to choose custom frame sizes in the ML menu. It's either 1320 or 1920 horizontal. How do I choose 1820 or 1780 for example? Thanks!


Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: hirethestache on October 29, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
NOT!  Get your facts straight before you write a post.

Care to fill us in on the OP's inquiry instead of just changing your font weight and color?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 29, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
Nothing to fill in.  Just not possible...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: timetraveller on October 30, 2013, 12:56:51 AM
Nothing to fill in.  Just not possible...

I think that he was talking about the attitude of superiority and condescence...

We're all here to learn together.

Most of us, read and try to learn and participate. We're not in the high school classroom and don't deserve "teacher-like" attitudes (writing imperative orders in RED... really??)

We don't have to apologize for not knowing everything about ML, NOBODY borns with ML knowledge.

We love this project (at least me), but I think that some attitudes here are not the best for keeping a good ambient.

best regards.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 30, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/faq.html#q40
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: raichu93 on October 31, 2013, 06:36:30 AM
I think that he was talking about the attitude of superiority and condescence...

We're all here to learn together.

Most of us, read and try to learn and participate. We're not in the high school classroom and don't deserve "teacher-like" attitudes (writing imperative orders in RED... really??)

best regards.

I agree with everything you say, but it doesn't apply here. TheDCMule didn't ask a question. He tried to tell other people things about ML as facts, when really they weren't true. Straight up misleading, 100% bullshit. When I read his comment I believed him, but now I'm a little irritated when I find out it was a lie.

I find nothing wrong with Renato trying to keep people in order to not spread misinformation. ML is confusing enough as is without people throwing misinformation around. Red text pops out at you so you really get it right away that what was posted was NOT true at all.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Wlad81 on November 02, 2013, 09:18:40 AM
Any thoughts about 100D?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: gary2013 on December 04, 2013, 03:22:48 AM
what is the current rez and fps for shooting raw, "continuous" on the 6d using ML? Can it do 1920x1080 30fps? 24 fps? If not, then what rez is the highest that comes close to those fps?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: PhilK on December 17, 2013, 10:14:17 PM
The 50D now has a VAF available, can the first entry be edited to reflect this?

http://mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/50d.html (http://mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/50d.html)

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: thehadgi on December 21, 2013, 03:14:11 AM
Posting here to stay informed (my tapatalk doesn't seem to have a 'subscribe' or 'favorite' option for this forum :-0)

Cheers! :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ilguercio on December 21, 2013, 03:44:09 AM
what is the current rez and fps for shooting raw, "continuous" on the 6d using ML? Can it do 1920x1080 30fps? 24 fps? If not, then what rez is the highest that comes close to those fps?
1536*614 at 24 fps is continuous.
6D is limited to around 40MB/s by its controller and you need a decent card to use all of that.
I use i Sandisk 45MB/s, 16GB capacity.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Wlad81 on December 24, 2013, 02:58:14 PM
Still there is no raw capability for 100D?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: maxaxe on December 26, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
I'm seeking to install ML in my 5D3, is buying a 1000x CF card the only option for raw??
isn't it possible with my lexar 90mb/s 64Gb Sd card? :/

Thanks!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Oswald on December 26, 2013, 11:27:00 PM
What is the max resolution on eos m raw video? 1280x720? Thanks. Does it work with komputerbay  600x cards?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: canoncan on December 31, 2013, 08:35:31 AM
is it possible to set the aspect ratio freely, or are only some aspect ratios supported?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: nick.p on December 31, 2013, 09:37:54 AM

is it possible to set the aspect ratio freely, or are only some aspect ratios supported?
You can't set the ratio freely but there is a good selection.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: André Normandin on February 14, 2014, 04:54:24 AM
1880 X 1016  continuous on 5D Mark II :)

What settings did you have and what card?
I'm trying to do that but can't seem to be able to... :(
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: togg on February 14, 2014, 05:43:44 PM
What settings did you have and what card?
I'm trying to do that but can't seem to be able to... :(

I can film 1872 x 1012 continuous with the Komputerbay 64GB. It's not so different!

edit: I can also do 1880 x 1016 with my fastest/more stable Komputerbay 64GB.
 max stable speed seems to be 78,8.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: EuAcelasi on February 17, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
Could anybody, please, help me understand where is the setting for the CROP MODE for 5d markiii... I looked over in all ML menu and Canon too... but nothing about 3x Crope Mode... I`m using a recent nightly built...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dmilligan on February 17, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
Just zoom in ;)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: EuAcelasi on February 17, 2014, 08:07:36 PM
Just zoom in ;)
thanks... :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: keikun007 on February 22, 2014, 03:11:01 PM
what changes with the new MLV module?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: andy kh on February 27, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
can anyone advice me which consumer camera should i buy for recording mlv raw? i got 550D. it can shoot 1152 X 432 continous which is very small resolution. i m planing to go for 650D since it can write uoto 40mb/s
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: johnny5d on March 13, 2014, 10:03:59 PM
Hi all,

I was planning on selling my old 5D classic to buy a 7D because I love to shoot video again.
But now I see that raw is not an option for 7D is that true?

Kind regards,

Johnny
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 13, 2014, 10:16:29 PM
No
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: johnny5d on March 13, 2014, 10:31:59 PM
Sad to here... I do see raw footage online from the 7D.
Was it bad ML version? and still need more time?

Is that the reason why I can't see It in the download menu?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 14, 2014, 01:37:14 AM
Sorry, you got it wrong (again): You asked if something is true. It is not, so I answered with "No".

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7464.0
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: rainless on March 28, 2014, 04:01:22 PM
Can the 5D3 bootflag still not be undone? And... if so... then why is that?

Also... what would happen if you simply loaded with a card that didn't have Magic Lantern on it? Would the wakeup time go back to .2 seconds?

Sorry if this is all redundant, but I just got into RAW video like LAST WEEK, and there's only about 20,000 threads I'd have to go over to find these answers now.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DavidSh on March 28, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Can the 5D3 bootflag still not be undone? And... if so... then why is that?

Also... what would happen if you simply loaded with a card that didn't have Magic Lantern on it? Would the wakeup time go back to .2 seconds?

Sorry if this is all redundant, but I just got into RAW video like LAST WEEK, and there's only about 20,000 threads I'd have to go over to find these answers now.
no problem for undone bootflag anymore.
Update to 1.2.3 and install from nightly 5d3.123
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11017 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11017)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: johnny5d on March 28, 2014, 04:57:34 PM
What is the cheapest CF card I can use for the highest RAW video resolutie?

I use 5d mkii

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: reddeercity on March 28, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
What is the cheapest CF card I can use for the highest RAW video resolutie?
I use 5d mkii
Scandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s 32GB will get 1792x814 2.20:1 A.R. 23.976p 62.5MB/s buffer fill rate "0"
12,475 frames 8.6 minutes on full card.
 
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: togg on March 28, 2014, 10:27:28 PM
What is the cheapest CF card I can use for the highest RAW video resolutie?

I use 5d mkii

komputerbay 64 GB 1000X, [email protected] continuous if you get the right card, if you don't send it back and take another, I was lucky enough to have a really good card and a good card that need to be pushed a little bit before.
it's around 100 euro.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ted ramasola on March 28, 2014, 11:04:38 PM
What is the cheapest CF card I can use for the highest RAW video resolutie?

I use 5d mkii

Get a KomputerBay 64gig 1000X.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: xNiNELiVES on April 08, 2014, 04:36:28 AM
Jeez ted you became a mod? Good for you...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: blaow on April 18, 2014, 12:12:49 AM
for raw video 1808x* resolutions are no longer the max horisontal res on newer builds for canon 6d when selecting anything higher than 1792, 1792 is limit, why so? I was able to do so with builds from february.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: poromaa on April 22, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Trying to figure out if 1856x844 is the highest resolution I can get with my 5dmkii?
If not - will a Sandisk Extreeme Pro 160MB/s do any difference against my current Sandisk Extreeme Pro 100MB/s?

So far i have tested:
 Transcend 64GB 1000x (not stable for even 1856x844) - sometimes continuous, but mostly just some seconds. I returned it.
 Sandisk 128GB 100MB/s* (stable 1856x844 MLV w. sound). - only about 500 frames if going 1856x928

By the way, does anyone know if there is any live thread to post the 5min ppm (benchmark-files) for above cards?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Renovatio on May 02, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
50d vs 650d Raw cheap solution: which one should i get?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: andy kh on May 02, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
50d vs 650d Raw cheap solution: which one should i get?

Thanks.

50D if u dont need audio and the flip screen. 650D if u need audio and the flip screen
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Renovatio on May 02, 2014, 10:01:26 PM
50D if u dont need audio and the flip screen. 650D if u need audio and the flip screen
Well, no, no need audio (zoom h1) and flip screen. Only point is i've to but a CF and would like to know the minium to obtain the best that i can. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: UmbertoVicto on May 03, 2014, 07:50:42 PM
Hey, I thought I would put together a quick comparison of where things are currently at with raw video for each camera type, and what the comparative upsides/downsides/limitations/strengths/etc of each are.

I've listed them top to bottom, of which to my understanding are currently the best options.

Here's a google docs version that you can edit:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5

(http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/raw-chart.png)


Apparently raw video works good for 7D..

what about short battery life and processor's heating...
ML is a wonderful firmware but i'll install it mostly for raw video...so what you suggest me?

I'll use a lexmark professional 1066x, is ok for continuos raw recording?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: glassescreditsroll on May 05, 2014, 01:42:54 AM
How dose pdr work for 650d any updates on it?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: sleepinghouse on May 11, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
Trying to figure out if 1856x844 is the highest resolution I can get with my 5dmkii?
If not - will a Sandisk Extreeme Pro 160MB/s do any difference against my current Sandisk Extreeme Pro 100MB/s?

So far i have tested:
 Transcend 64GB 1000x (not stable for even 1856x844) - sometimes continuous, but mostly just some seconds. I returned it.
 Sandisk 128GB 100MB/s* (stable 1856x844 MLV w. sound). - only about 500 frames if going 1856x928

By the way, does anyone know if there is any live thread to post the 5min ppm (benchmark-files) for above cards?

I have a 5dmkii and I just tested up to 1856 X 1044 MLV with sound tonight. I only managed to record up to 5 seconds before it started skipping frames, using a komputerbay 32Gb 1000X UDMA7. 500 frames continuous at 1856X844 was the longest and most stable you could shoot at?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: reddeercity on May 11, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
What build date are you using ?1856x928 2:1 23.976p with audio is continous , check your setting .
And  if you have the NB from feb16th you get 1872x936 23.976
Continous also.
1st, no GD on when recording raw
2nd, live view Hack on no preview
3rd, fill buffer rate, 0 fastest (I use "0" or "1"with Lexar 1000x)
I think KB cards like buffer "4"
*note* this with HDMI device attach EVF & Ninja record.
In the canon photo menu select "SRaw2"this will speed up the cam.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: spasha on May 17, 2014, 08:19:13 PM
Hi! Can anyone help me with using RAW video with my 6D? As soon as I start recording the live view hangs/stays still & I can't see what I'm shooting. Card I'm using is 64 GB Sandisk Extreme Plus 80mb/s.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: firtiko on May 23, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
Hi everybody,

hope you dudes can help me.
is it possible to record continous 24fps in 1920x1280 with mark III and a komputerbay card 64 GB 1000x or 1066X ????
wich wreitingspeed do i need to record in 24fps 1920x1280?
and is there any other possibility to record on ssd with mark III to get a higher writing speed.



Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Levas on June 16, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Hi! Can anyone help me with using RAW video with my 6D? As soon as I start recording the live view hangs/stays still & I can't see what I'm shooting. Card I'm using is 64 GB Sandisk Extreme Plus 80mb/s.

Has to do with the option "global draw", must be turned on.
There's also an option with the global draw setting within the raw recording menu - this one has to be turned off I believe
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: sleepinghouse on June 17, 2014, 08:30:34 AM
What build date are you using ?1856x928 2:1 23.976p with audio is continous , check your setting .
And  if you have the NB from feb16th you get 1872x936 23.976
Continous also.
1st, no GD on when recording raw
2nd, live view Hack on no preview
3rd, fill buffer rate, 0 fastest (I use "0" or "1"with Lexar 1000x)
I think KB cards like buffer "4"
*note* this with HDMI device attach EVF & Ninja record.
In the canon photo menu select "SRaw2"this will speed up the cam.

hey reddeercity, thanks for the response and I'm sorry that I just now saw this.

February nightly build? Wow. I was using an early May build at the time I wrote that. I'm currently using the last May build as all of the latest builds have failed.

I will try that february build with these settings. I have reading a lot about the Global Draw and buffers.
I don't have Ninja record, is it possible to still do this just in camera?

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: sleepinghouse on June 19, 2014, 03:58:52 PM
What build date are you using ?1856x928 2:1 23.976p with audio is continous , check your setting .
And  if you have the NB from feb16th you get 1872x936 23.976
Continous also.
1st, no GD on when recording raw
2nd, live view Hack on no preview
3rd, fill buffer rate, 0 fastest (I use "0" or "1"with Lexar 1000x)
I think KB cards like buffer "4"
*note* this with HDMI device attach EVF & Ninja record.
In the canon photo menu select "SRaw2"this will speed up the cam.

Hey reddeercity, I just tried the february 16th build with all of the settings you suggested, aside from the SRAW2 which I could not find and I was only able to record for 5 seconds and then it stopped recording. It also wouldn't allow playback. It would load up until the last 2 frames.

I am going to go back to the june 19th build and try these exact settings and see what results I can get.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: sulky on July 30, 2014, 03:50:26 AM
Hello! Can anybody please tell me which is the best on budget CF card to record RAW on 7d? Can you post a link please, so I dont end up buying a wrong one.
BTW. The chart says the max. write speed of the card must be 80 MB/s. Does that mean the faster card wont work??
Thank you very much!
A
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DFM on July 30, 2014, 12:35:20 PM
In terms of cost-vs-speed, Komputerbay 64gb cards remain the best value - the 1000x or 1066x are both fast enough for the 7D (remember it's an old body, it can't take full advantage of the latest super-high-speed cards) and since there's barely any difference in price between them, go for the 1066x. They're listed on Amazon but make sure you buy from the Komputerbay seller account so you're getting genuine stock. Steer clear of the larger capacities, they tend to be slower. The problem with Komputerbay cards is quality control - they're cheap precisely because they're not as tightly-selected in factory QC, so you need to run an in-camera speed test as soon as it arrives (using ML), and send it back if it's way below spec. Komputerbay are fine about replacing slow cards but they're based in the USA, so elsewhere you just use Amazon's returns policy. I know people who will buy a few, find the fastest and send the others back  8).

If you want reliability and speed, you have no choice but to pay for it - the Lexar 1066x cards for example are 4X times the price, but it's very unlikely you'd get a dud.

Hello! Can anybody please tell me which is the best on budget CF card to record RAW on 7d?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jimmyD30 on July 30, 2014, 12:57:21 PM
Your 7D writes at 80 MBps max, but faster cards will work if you have them or buy them with the forethought of using them with a faster camera someday, otherwise why pay for speed you don't need?

Here's is a list of actual in-camera memory card speed tests you can refer to: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=12630.0
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: sulky on July 30, 2014, 10:29:34 PM
Muchas Gracias DFM and jimmyD30!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: wyrlyn on August 01, 2014, 09:20:49 AM
woundering if there's an update on 700D capabilities
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Renovatio on August 11, 2014, 10:36:14 AM
Hi guys,

i know maybe you said this so many times, but finally i'm gettin canon 50d to try raw video without becoming poor.
So now a  CF: which one? Don't need the fastest, don't wanna pay speed i don't need. What about komputerbay 64gb 1000x? Also with something more i've to take something better?

Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ShootMeAlready on August 31, 2014, 10:20:46 PM
I found some really useful numbers, but cant edit the video feature chart of the first post.
I also want to add a column on the Dual ISO RAW in video. For instance supported on 600D, 650D, 700D, then ....

I would also like to see continuous recording added for 2.39, and 2.67 aspect ratios.

http://www.ramasolaproductions.com/6.html

Above is actually helpful to evaluate the 5DmkII and 7D raw resolution specs, and 2K specs.

On the 5DmkII all at 24P
1856 x 1004 = continuous recording (this is close to 16:9, but needs VAF)
1728 x 972 = continuous recording
In crop mode: (3X crop)
2144 x 1076 = 339 frames
2144 x 898 = continuous recording (this is 2K at 2.35 aspect)
1856 x 1044 = continuous recording (this is near 16:9, and I do believe crop means min. aliasing).
On the 7D
1728 x 972 = continuous recording (currently this is the max res, but needs VAF )
In crop mode (currently only 30P):
2512 x 1200 = 95 frames
2240 x 1120 = 128 frames
1920 x 1080 = 213 frames
1472 x 828 = continuous recording  (the big thing here is min. aliasing).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: sleepinghouse on September 14, 2014, 07:48:35 AM
I found some really useful numbers, but cant edit the video feature chart of the first post.
I also want to add a column on the Dual ISO RAW in video. For instance supported on 600D, 650D, 700D, then ....

I would also like to see continuous recording added for 2.39, and 2.67 aspect ratios.

http://www.ramasolaproductions.com/6.html

Above is actually helpful to evaluate the 5DmkII and 7D raw resolution specs, and 2K specs.

On the 5DmkII all at 24P
1856 x 1004 = continuous recording (this is close to 16:9, but needs VAF)
1728 x 972 = continuous recording
In crop mode: (3X crop)
2144 x 1076 = 339 frames
2144 x 898 = continuous recording (this is 2K at 2.35 aspect)
1856 x 1044 = continuous recording (this is near 16:9, and I do believe crop means min. aliasing).
On the 7D
1728 x 972 = continuous recording (currently this is the max res, but needs VAF )
In crop mode (currently only 30P):
2512 x 1200 = 95 frames
2240 x 1120 = 128 frames
1920 x 1080 = 213 frames
1472 x 828 = continuous recording  (the big thing here is min. aliasing).


ShootMeAlready: Thanks so much for this post! I have been trying to figure out settings for shooting RAW for over 6 months. This website has been super informative. I didn't realize all of the benefits of the crop mode. Super awesome. Cheers.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 23, 2014, 10:07:14 PM
I use 5d mark 2 and keep getting only 6sec of raw video on 1856x1044, 9s on 1600x900.Using lexar 1000x 64Gb card.What am i doing wrong
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: walter_schulz on September 23, 2014, 10:10:22 PM
Run card benchmark (Debug tab -> Benchmarks) to determine card's write speed.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 23, 2014, 11:17:53 PM
I turn on liveview go to benchmark,card r/w benchmark ,movie mode 1920x1080 25fps,global draw off.....and it says write speed 23.3MB/s and read 11.7MB/s on 16384k buffer.Later it drops as buffer drops
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: walter_schulz on September 23, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
Sounds like a faked card. If you have an USB 3.0 cardreader connected to an USB 3.0 port you may run something like CrystalDiskMark or ATTO for Windows. Not that familiar with OS X.
If results are consistent try to return card to dealer.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 23, 2014, 11:48:58 PM
Ok,i will try it in the morning.I also have one lexar 32 gb 1000x card that i bought with this "faulty",but only with ML where i don't see benchmark.I will install nightly build on it and test it.When these cards are "ok", and on mark 2 that i have,what is the estimated time that i can get at 1856x1044 25 fps?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: walter_schulz on September 23, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Delete ML directory and AUTOEXEC.BIN and copy extracted nightly contents to card.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jtvision on September 24, 2014, 12:03:54 AM
Hi Guys, on google docs document max res for 30p continituous rec on 5D Mark III says 1920x1080. I could only get 1792x1008 on my Sandisk 160mb CF card. Could those who could get [email protected] advise which card has been used?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 24, 2014, 10:41:41 AM
Delete ML directory and AUTOEXEC.BIN and copy extracted nightly contents to card.

I tested cards again on canon 5d mk2

32Gb lexar 1000x     write 22Mb    read 42Mb
64Gb lexar 1000x     write 24Mb    read 12Mb

So they are faulty?

Is there a software that i can use to test it,problem is that both my computer and card reader are usb2.0...is that problem?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 24, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
I forgot to say,I formated both cards,and install nightly build (latest) only,tested after.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: walter_schulz on September 24, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
32Gb lexar 1000x     write 22Mb    read 42Mb
64Gb lexar 1000x     write 24Mb    read 12Mb

So they are faulty?

If these are the highest numbers you got and Global Draw turned off and no modules loaded: Looks like you've been betrayed.

problem is that both my computer and card reader are usb2.0...is that problem?

Sadly a good USB 2.0 reader will max out well below 40 MByte/s and there are lots of USB 2.0 cardreaders out there giving up at much lower numbers. So: Not a good test platform for high performance cards.   
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 24, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Ok,sadly i have been f****d  >:(

But if i get proper working card of that speed,how long can I film RAW on 5d mark 2 with 1856x1044 resolution.
I think i can do more than 6s with this faulty cards?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: walter_schulz on September 24, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
In my country you might be able to get full refund or valid replacement.

If your computer is able to use PCIe cards you may want to order an USB 3.0 hostadapter + cardreader. Transfer speeds are remarkable faster and cardreader will work with USB 2.0 at lower speeds. I work with Kingston Mediareader FCR-HS3.

EDIT: Someone else has to jump in for answering your duration question.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on September 24, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Ok,thanks man :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Intenditore on September 26, 2014, 08:14:33 PM
Is even theoreticly<i/> FullHD raw possible on 5D2 or 6D? Or is this possible to "override" default compression algorithms and write a higher quality h.264 or proRes in camera?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: nycz42 on October 03, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
how would this memory card do with the 700D(T5i) in RAW video or RAW mlv?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 03, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on October 08, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
Hello,I asked for advice on faulty cards some time ago.In the meantime guy that sold me,replaced the cards.
Instead of Lexar 1000x 32 and 64 Gb,i got SanDisk Extreme Pro 90 MB/s 64 Gb,and Lexar 1000x 32 Gb

And I have the same problem again!There must be something I am doing wrong or camera is bad for some reason.
Again benchmark on ML shows 21 MB/s on both of these cards.
I didn't mentioned last time but i have one old card SanDisk Extreme III 30 MB/s and even this one shows ~21 MB/s write
I want to make raw video,and i only get 148 frames,then it stops.

I start camera,go to live view,turn off global draw and start card benchmark r/w in menu....
At this moment i have no spare camera to test on it but i will try to find somewhere.
I can send jpg files of ML benchmark,but i don't see some attachment button here.

Can someone help me with this ?

Oh yeas,the guy also sent me printscreens of card test.
SanDisk has 106 MB/s read,and 99 MB/s write
Lexar has 104 MB/s read,and 102 MB/s write
That is if he is not lying,i don't have usb 3.0 card reader or 3.0 port,so i can test it on my own :(
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 08, 2014, 12:45:40 PM
Hello,I asked for advice on faulty cards some time ago.

If you want to be ignored, just keep on crossposting.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jovansoft on October 08, 2014, 03:19:16 PM
I don't want to be ignored,and I don't want to insult anyone.I just have problem with something,and if anyone can help i would appreciate it.I can copy/paste everything that I posted if you want that.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Datadogie on October 08, 2014, 05:25:19 PM
the camera maxes out at 21mbs not the card.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 08, 2014, 06:28:49 PM
AFAIK he uses a 5D2 ...
Would be interested which cam with CF-slot would max out at this rate. Beside 5D3, of course.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DayumDanny on October 08, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
There is a new card for pre-order on adorama and b&h called "Lexar Lexar 32GB XQD Professional 1333x Memory Card" There is no stats on either of the websites on the card but in the picture of the card it says "Lexar 1333x 200mb/s". Might be a break through in longer 60p continuous shooting. Has anyone gotten their hands on this card? I am not sure how new this card is. But for a 32gb it is $222
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 08, 2014, 07:31:30 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xqd
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ThankMeLater on October 10, 2014, 08:49:47 PM
sry guys for posting in this thread again but it seems like the 700d raw thread is kind of dead.


im wondering if anyone of you  can shoot in 24p 1280/720 raw continuously on the 700d/t5i ?

In this thread it says the t5i is able to do so !

But my recording stops after exactly 2:18. I am using a sundisk extreme with 45mb/s.

Will an upgrade to the extreme pro verison with 95 mb/s solve this problem ?

thanks in advance and thanks again for the great work you guys do ! I was about to sell my 700d to get a lumix g6 but the raw feature totally changed my mind.

EDIT : Problem solved. I read the whole 650d thread now and found out that even my 45 mb/s card is able to do continuous recording. the trick is formating the card to ex fat and also disable everything else in magic lantern menu :)

ML is simply amazing !
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Dagamus(NM) on December 12, 2014, 04:40:49 PM
TML, can you please elaborate on "disable everything else in ML menu" please? Which menu are you referring to? In camera or when formatting card?

I see you had an aha! moment and would like to follow exactly how you arrived here. I do not have a 650D, but I imagine this translates to other bodies where slow writes are an issue.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Romcik on December 13, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
Simple questions, I have Canon 600d, what maximum resolution that I shoot video?
What SD card I need for max resolution ?

It is possible hack 21mb/s camera limit?If no, then is no reason to buy the card more with than 30 mb/s speed?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 13, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
Read first post of this thread.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Romcik on December 13, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
Walter Schulz, thanks.

I do not understand it all, is not specified whether it is possible hack speed limit of 600d camera.With what speed SD max is sense to use.

What is crop, what no crop?I don't find anything in camera.Where I can on/off this?

Can anyone help me?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 13, 2014, 03:13:21 PM
Read first post of this thread.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Romcik on December 13, 2014, 05:51:41 PM
Walter Schulz, you mean table?
I see, but not everything is clear to me.

Heh, thanks  :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Datadogie on December 13, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
If the speed could be hacked that would be a dream come true. I'm sure it would have been done if possible.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Romcik on December 14, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
Why, then, given that T3 can shoot in 1728 resolution, but ML in camera show about 61 mb/s?  ???
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 14, 2014, 12:50:03 PM
What you see is the actual data rate at this resolution/frame rate.
It could do that resolution (and even higher, see crop mode) but only for very few frames. Then internal buffer memory will be out of space because data transfer from buffer to card is limited to about 21 MByte/s.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: salthousands on December 17, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Hello, I have a 5D Mark 3.

I tested out a Sandisk Extreme SD card (which its write was about 120mb/s), however it was only capable of writing 30mb/s. Its really quick, and never stops to buffer while shooting Raw photos...

So my understanding is that you should shoot Raw Video with a CF card, to get its stated write value.

Is this correct?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 17, 2014, 10:19:31 PM
Old news, read first post of this thread.
Don't know what you mean by "you should shoot Raw Video with a CF card, to get its stated write value.".

EDIT: Wondering which UHS-I SD-card will be able to perform 120 MByte/s writing.
Own measurement?

EDITEDIT: With mb/s you mean MByte/s not MBit/s?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: salthousands on December 17, 2014, 11:22:09 PM
Whoops I meant 95MByte/s, not 120MByte/s for the SD Card.

And that was with the Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS - 1.
I was not able to get past 35Mbyte/s while recording raw, even though I decreased the resolution to 1476x670 (2.20 : 1 ratio) at 24fps.


Also, I read the first post, with the chart.
And this is why I asked, because I was unsure what OP meant by
"CF+SD,100+20 MB/s" under the "Card type / max write speed" column.

As in 5D3 is only able to record 100MB/s on a CF card & not on an SD Card? (Given that the CF card were capable of writing 100MB/s+ & that the SD card was able to write 95MB/s)



Thank you Walter, for the extremely fast reply.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 17, 2014, 11:51:13 PM
Canon's SD-card interface in 5D3 is limited to about 21 MByte/s in movie mode. If you are able to record to SD with higher data rates feel free to edit this chart.
As time of writing CompactFlash is the only way to record high resolution with decent duration.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: extremelypoorfilmaker on December 26, 2014, 09:17:09 PM
Hi evetyone, i was checking the [ML] Canon EOS Features Comparison chart, and i was wondering why the Max Continuos recording at 24 and 30fps of the 6D are not updated. On the nightly build i am using, this are the stats. They work fine, so far.

6D MAX Res 30fps Continuos recording:

4:3 = 960x720 
16:9 = 1152x648
2.35:1 = 1344x572

6D MAX Res 24fps Continuos recording:

4:3 = 960x720
16:9 = 1280x720
2.35:1 = 1504x640
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DigitalVeil on January 04, 2015, 04:40:19 AM
I'm surprised the 50D low-light performance is listed as "average" with its larger pixels.  I know pixel size isn't everything, but I would consider it at least "good."  I guess that's just kind of a subjective thing though.

Also wouldn't the 700D have the same resolutions as the 650D?  Same SD slot speed, same sensor size...

Last thing - wouldn't it be helpful to have a max continuous 24fps resolution in "squashed" mode (where you stretch by 1.4x vertically in post)?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: tomellingsen on February 11, 2015, 06:28:08 PM
extremelypoorfilmaker: I think the main problem with that chart (which we can all edit, except we can't), is that most development on Magic Lantern seems to have haltered. I've used a 6D in conjunction with a 5DmkII, and they both performed identically, FPS and resolution wise. 1728x768, both continuous, no problems. (Aspect ratio 2.25:1)

The thing now is I'm debating whether or not I should get a 6D or 5DmkIII, and the lack of updates isn't helping, per se. (cost is the main issue here, I'm well aware how the cameras perform otherwise)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 11, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
Please provide proof that you are able to do RAW/MLV with 1728 x 768 in 24 fps continuous with 6D.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: extremelypoorfilmaker on February 11, 2015, 07:25:13 PM
I am currently using this version: magiclantern-Nightly.2014Aug20.6D113 on my 6D

On this version, the aspect ratio you mentioned: 2.25:1 is not present. It's 2.20:1
when i say continuos recording, i imply that no frames are skipped. I quickly did a test at the resolution you mentioned and yes, by skipping frames "continuos recording" is possible.
I don't regard skipping frames as continuoos recording, and the SD card i am using is a Sandisk Extreme pro 32gb.

What version of ML are you using, tomellingsen?
Many thanks
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: tomellingsen on February 19, 2015, 06:45:55 PM
I actually tried it just now, as I just got a new 6D. The one we were shooting with this summer didn't capture sound, that might be why it was able to do it. Right now, the math doesn't add up. I've tried 1728x768 with 2.20:1, and I got about 15 seconds before it started skipping, using a Sandisk 32GB Extreme card, so yeah, you might be right.

I'm also unsure of the version that camera was running. It wasn't able to capture sound at the time, so it might have been one of the builds before that, or the module wasn't loaded.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: extremelypoorfilmaker on February 20, 2015, 07:50:17 PM
On my canon 6D and the latest build, still, sound or no sound, continuoos recording is possible only in the specs i have listed above.. In all honesty, i really wish it was possible to record continuosly at the resoultion you stated! :)

ah, one last thing, to answer your question about what camera get: 5D3. Is a no-brainer. I am saving up untill i have enough to get one, the 5D3 IS the magic lantern camera. Hands down :)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on February 28, 2015, 12:41:18 PM
Hi,

According to the chart the 600d can capture RAW 14bit with no crop at 1728x1156 at 1:1 liveview.
I have tried to change the settings to attain this resolution, but have failed. I have been able to record continuous (over 7 min) on 960x540 24fps 16:9 but the frame is very cropped. I want to minimized the cropping as much as possible, preferably null.

My interest is to capture at 16:9 or in worse case 2.39:1 at 24 fps.
What should I change on both the canon menu and on ML menu in order to be able to capture 1728x1156.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 28, 2015, 01:03:36 PM
1728x1156 at 1:1 liveview. I have tried to change the settings to attain this resolution, but have failed.

Which resolutions do you have for 1:1 liveview with RAW_REC.mo and/or MLV_REC.mo?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 02, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
With MLV_REC.mo for 1:1 liveview (at 24fps) I have the resolution 704x704 as the only stable (under 21-22 MB/s), which is at 19.8 MB/s.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
Sorry, but which question do you want to ask?

- Which is the highest resolution (if non-crop is used) available for continuous recording?
- Which is the highest resolution available if non-crop is used? Nope, not interested in continuous recording
- Which is the highest resolution for a squared frame in non-crop mode?

Let's define "non-crop" = without electronic 3x zoom
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 02, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
My question concerns how to record at resolution 1728x1156 as the chart states. The chart shows a blue color (signifying that it is stable). In other words, what should my options on (mL menu and canon menu) should be set at to record such a high resolution.
It states that the resolution 1728x1156 can be shot at 1:1 liveview, resulting in no crop.

From what I understand with the term no-crop, I want to shot the entire frame that I am looking at during shooting on my canon's LCD. I only get a portion of it whether I shoot at 16:9 or in 2.39:1.

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
Yes, it states 1728x1156 is possible but it also states that cam's write speed is limited to about 21 MByte/s so you can't have it for continuous recording.
[email protected] continuous would require an interface with about 80 MByte/s. Numbers don't match -> Go for lower resolutions for continuous recording or shorter durations with higher resolutions.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 02, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
Ok thanks.

So there is no setting on ML that results in capturing the entire frame?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Of course there is: 1728x1156.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 02, 2015, 02:10:39 PM
With MLV_REC.mo for 1:1 liveview (at 24fps) I have the resolution 704x704 as the only stable (under 21-22 MB/s), which is at 19.8 MB/s.

It is not working. Shooting at this resolution results also in a very cropped frame. Why is it so?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 02:21:18 PM
Back to square one:

What are you trying to do?
You can shoot in 1728x1156 but only for a very limited time or with very low fps.
You can do continuous recording in lower resolutions but this will result in a cropped view. It will be a frame inside Liveview's 1728x1156 frame.
Look at the numbers ML will tell you (text at bottom) if you select horizontal resolution and aspect ratio for any given fps.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 02, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
Ok, thanks. So I need to shrink my fps to say 10 or even lower to be able to record at higher or closer resolutions to 1728x1156. I can record at 1728x1156 continously if my fps is set at 5. I've tested it. Too bad that 600d's write speed limits ML performance despite the expensive cards I use. This brings med to next question that concerns using ML on 5D mark III, which I intend to purchase.

If I shoot at 24fps 1080p (continuous) it would not result in a cropped view (instead result in capturing the entire frame inside liveview's 1080p)?

In order to shoot continuous at 1080p on the 5dIII what's the minimal write speed required by my card/camera. I intend to use my card with the following specification on a 5DIII:
SanDisk extreme pro SDXC I 95MB/s 64GB class 10.

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
Sorry, but 5D3's SD-card interface is limited to 21 MByte/s, too.
You need the fastest CF-cards available to record 1080p24 continuously.
Title: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on March 03, 2015, 05:38:09 AM
@ibrahim:

If budget limits you for a decent fast CF...

Look into KB 32GB 1066x

Or go for the KB 64GB 1066x if you want to record longer takes.

I'm happy with my KB 128GB 1066x so far...
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: budafilms on March 07, 2015, 07:00:57 AM
@ibrahim
try the Komputerbay 64 GB 1000x, I have a couple, are very cheap and works perfect for full HD.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 23, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
@ibrahim:

If budget limits you for a decent fast CF...

Look into KB 32GB 1066x

Or go for the KB 64GB 1066x if you want to record longer takes.

I'm happy with my KB 128GB 1066x so far...

Thanks for the advice.
Do you use it on 5DIII?
Title: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on March 23, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
Correct and works really well.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 23, 2015, 10:03:34 PM
Great. Do you then manage to capture the whole frame inside Liveview's 1080p frame or only a portion of it? Because most DLSRs only capture a portion of what is seen on canon Liveview.

Knowing that the speed of such CF card is around 150-160 MB/s, what is the highest resolution possible at 24fps and at 60fps, respectively?
Title: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on March 23, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
Entire frame of 1080p is possible in Liveview of 5D3.

According to my KB 128GB x1066 CF card:

1920x1080 @ 24fps as well as 25fps is possible for continuous recording.

1920x648 @ 60fps (stretch 1.67 in post to achieve 1080p) is also possible for continuous recording as well.

Don't forget that you can actually gain more out of 5D3 by using crop-mode... [emoji6]
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on March 23, 2015, 11:29:08 PM
Entire frame of 1080p is possible in Liveview of 5D3.

According to my KB 128GB x1066 CF card:

1920x1080 @ 24fps as well as 25fps is possible for continuous recording.

1920x648 @ 60fps (stretch 1.67 in post to achieve 1080p) is also possible for continuous recording as well.

Don't forget that you can actually gain more out of 5D3 by using crop-mode... [emoji6]

Thanks that's great to know. I'm planning to purchase a 5DII but am waiting for the prices to drop a bit more.

Cheers :)
Title: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on March 24, 2015, 12:55:00 AM
Save up to get the 5D3... You can prolly find a used one (with 20-25k shutter count) for $2K or possible less if you search hard enough...

Trust me I sold my 5D2 and got the 5D3... Never regretted it once!!!

Here's one I found...
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pho/4908735073.html
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on March 25, 2015, 02:31:53 AM
So we can get full 1920x1080 60fps continuous slowmo Wow.. Great info @DeafEyeJedi  What firmware you suggest I use 1.1.3 or 1.2.3? and what nightly build did you use to get continuous slowmo recording? Which nightly build you think is the most stable even when using HDMI?  I'll be receiving my 5D Mark III tomorrow Yeah!!! soo.. excited  :D coming from a 50D & BMPCC.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dmilligan on March 25, 2015, 02:52:47 AM
No, you can't. Read his post again carefully. At 60fps, you get 1920x648 (you get a squashed image that must be stretched in post). The data rate for true 1080p 60fps would be impossibly high for continuous recording (~200 MB/s).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: the associate on April 14, 2015, 05:38:53 PM
Hi, any M owners out there with updated raw video capability info? Am using the new U3 SD cards from SanDisk and Transcend, and it seems I've been able to pull fairly decent resolutions. My highest continuous record for 2:39:1 at 23.97 fps is currently 1728x434 (using MLV RAW w/sound). Still nowhere near CF, and still limited by the M's 40MB write speed, but at least it seems to be an improvement. Just wondering what resolutions other M owners are pulling these days. Also wondering if most of the M info on Roman's most excellent raw capability chart still applies. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: rbrune on April 14, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
Hi, any M owners out there with updated raw video capability info? Am using the new U3 SD cards from SanDisk and Transcend, and it seems I've been able to pull fairly decent resolutions. My highest continuous record for 2:39:1 at 23.97 fps is currently 1728x434 (using MLV RAW w/sound). Still nowhere near CF, and still limited by the M's 40MB write speed, but at least it seems to be an improvement. Just wondering what resolutions other M owners are pulling these days. Also wondering if most of the M info on Roman's most excellent raw capability chart still applies. Thoughts?

Take a look at this calculator of mine:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14909.0

1728 is actually the limit of what the EOS-M can record, it is already using the whole width of the APS-C sensor with 3x5 sampling. The calculator will allow you to see what the practical and theoretical limits of the EOS-M and other cameras are.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: the associate on April 16, 2015, 09:56:38 PM
Take a look at this calculator of mine:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14909.0

1728 is actually the limit of what the EOS-M can record, it is already using the whole width of the APS-C sensor with 3x5 sampling. The calculator will allow you to see what the practical and theoretical limits of the EOS-M and other cameras are.

Very nice, rbrune. Very nice indeed. Thanks much. Thought I'd seen just about every ML forum out there; don't know how I missed your crop factor calculator thread.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Ley on April 28, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
Hey,

is it possible to add the 70d to the Features Comparison? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5)

thanks.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Kharak on May 06, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
I am wondering about the write speed on 5DMKIII. Perhaps I am doing something wrong..

it says 100+20 from SD.. But I don't think I have ever gotten close to 120MB/s write speed.

I just tested 1920x1080 in 34 fps with card spanning, when I deactivated card spanning I did not get any less recording time. Also the RAW menu alaways calculates that I will get around 300 frames at around 90 MB/s (as that was my last write speed)..

Also tried 1856x to get some more recording time.

Am I doing something wrong ?

Card Spanning ON
Canon menu - Write to multiple ON
Card Buffer for CF - Tried 1 and 4, heard 4 could be good for higher fps (dont remember where)
Fill method - 1 and 0
GD - OFF
Preview - Canon

Tried 30p ALL-I and 24p All-I. There was no difference at all. Though my experience when testing write speed on my card says 24p is higher.

Need help pushing the write speed to max.

Edit: Cards are Lexar 1000x 128 GB 150MB/s and Sandisk Extreme 40 MB/s
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Licaon_Kter on May 06, 2015, 02:17:06 PM

Tried 30p ALL-I and 24p All-I. There was no difference at all.
Aren't these H.264 related and have no effect when recording RAW anyway?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: rbrune on May 06, 2015, 03:02:46 PM
it says 100+20 from SD.. But I don't think I have ever gotten close to 120MB/s write speed.

120MB/s is a very theoretical limit. Do not expect to get anywhere above 100MB/s.
Either reduce fps or resolution to get longer/unlimited recording time.

You can use this to estimate bandwidth use: http://rbrune.github.io/mlraw/
(make sure you do set your measured write speed after selecting the MKIII to see what your limit for long recording times is)
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: KelvinK on May 06, 2015, 04:48:15 PM
Aren't these H.264 related and have no effect when recording RAW anyway?

It had effect in earlier builds, same as setting RAW for pics. It forced to use larger buffer probably. Doesn't have effect in new builds.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: vinylist on May 30, 2015, 06:57:08 PM
Hello guys, i'm new with magic lantern, but reading a lot here in this forum. i have a 5D2 and i'm just wondering about the CF-Cards... here it's say that the max writing spead of the 5D mk2 is about 75mb/s, so if i understand right, for the 5D2 i don't need any 1066x CF-Card but a 800x would also do the job? or would i get some time restriction?

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Levthon on August 06, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
Does anyone know the Highest continuous recording time for 6D until a 64gig CF card is full  ? with what resolution? and with sound?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ryzehd on September 05, 2015, 04:10:42 AM
I may be wrong but I believe a 6D only uses SD cards for storage. That would mean limited bandwidth and resolution for recording in RAW.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Licaon_Kter on September 05, 2015, 11:27:08 AM

I may be wrong but I believe a 6D only uses SD cards for storage. That would mean limited bandwidth and resolution for recording in RAW.
https://rbrune.github.io/mlraw/
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: jedivader on September 16, 2015, 01:47:16 PM
Hey,

is it possible to add the 70d to the Features Comparison? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5)

thanks.

I second that, can somebody please add the 70D to the list?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Licaon_Kter on September 16, 2015, 07:43:18 PM
And here: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/features
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on September 16, 2015, 08:32:33 PM
agreed and the M's Modules category needs to be updated... any chance I can help on that?

I don't mind tackling that one down for you guys.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: berlin on September 23, 2015, 06:45:48 AM
Hi!
Which cards did you use for Canon 6d for ML continuous recording with sound and for 16:9  1152x648 and  1280x720?
I mean is it possible with sandisk extreme hcI 80mb/s class 10? I guess not  ::)
thank you thank you

Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on September 23, 2015, 06:55:48 AM
Have you googled for a benchmark of this card?
And please add fps you want to use.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: berlin on September 23, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
I cannot find anything else about the card except that it is SanDisk 16GB Extreme SD Card (SDHC) 80MB/s - Class 10 UHS-1 :/
I would do a 24 fps
can anyone recommend me a card for this and for canon 6d? thanks a lot
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: budafilms on September 24, 2015, 07:33:15 AM
@Berlin

more than the speed of write of your camera model, it's not necessary.
The write speed of your Canon is in the first post of this thread, in a google doc.

CF card is different as SD card. Don't confuse with this.

Check the best brand you can buy in that speed.

For the moment Lexar appears to be the best, and Komputerbay CF card 64 GB 1000X in my case works better than Lexar 1000X That I have one.

It's weird but could be probable that a card works different as the same card from other part number. This is impossible to know, except with trial and error.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: berlin on September 24, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Thobias on October 25, 2015, 11:05:39 AM
I second that, can somebody please add the 70D to the list?
I third that. Please, add 70D to list. Thanks!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: ibrahim on December 17, 2015, 10:42:14 PM
Hi,
According to the chart we can use a CF and SD card at once for 5d3, 100+20 mB. How is that possible. I tried inslatting ML on the SD card while having Cf card as well inside but the raw recording is limited to that of the SD card. Isn't the ML supposed to be installed on the SD card?

My aim is to use two cards to boost the speed capacity instead of getting dropframes or other issues with a single Cf-card.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dmilligan on December 19, 2015, 10:17:54 PM
Only works with mlv_rec. Turn on "Card Spanning" in the raw video submenu.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Guyhawk on December 21, 2015, 07:35:40 PM
Sorry if this is a redundant question, but has anyone actually gotten 1080 30fps RAW working on their 5D M3? I'm having trouble with it and I have all the hardware (including a 64GB KB CF 1066x card). The 5D can record RAW at 24fps with no issue (it writes with a speed of 95MB/s) but once I bump it to 30fps, it won't record longer than 12-40 seconds (even though the right speed is around 93-95MB/s).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dmilligan on December 21, 2015, 11:15:23 PM
1920 * 1080 * 30fps * 14bits / 8 = 103 MB

95 is less than 103. That is your problem.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Guyhawk on December 22, 2015, 02:46:26 AM
1920 * 1080 * 30fps * 14bits / 8 = 103 MB

95 is less than 103. That is your problem.

No I understand that, I'm just trying to discern if it's the card's fault for not writing fast enough (which is odd since I using a 1066x KB CF card and a 160MB/s Sandisk CF card) or that my 5D can't write at that speed.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dmilligan on December 22, 2015, 03:13:30 AM
Benchmark the card on a computer. If it's higher than 95, then it's the camera's fault (which it probably is).

There are quite a few variables that affect write performance of the camera (for one example CPU load). This is why you're supposed to do the card benchmark in playback mode (fewer Canon tasks are running in playback mode, so overhead that might reduce write speed is minimized). Many 5D3 users have reported that 1.1.3 has a lot better performance than 1.2.3. This is likely due to the fact that Canon changed a ton of low level stuff in 1.2.3 to support mirrored display (both external and camera LCD at the same time), these changes add extra overhead affecting real world write speed performance. Of course you should already know this, b/c there were already posts in your other thread about 1.1.3 vs 1.2.3, but it seems you are unwilling to try it? You should also compare the performance of mlv_rec and raw_rec, they are likely to vary.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Guyhawk on December 22, 2015, 11:33:36 PM
So I downgraded from 1.2.3 to 1.1.3. I ran the benchmark (while in video mode) in the playback menu and averaged about 119MB/s of write speed and 154MB/s of read speed. For a while, I was actually able to record at 1080p RAW; even the 103.4MB/s text was green. Now however, I can't record for more than 46 seconds and the text is back to yellow and red.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 23, 2015, 12:12:28 AM
Looks like 4GB issue.
Q: Global Draw OFF and exFAT file system with MLV option "Files > 4GiB (exFAT)" enabled?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Guyhawk on December 23, 2015, 09:18:53 PM
So in mlv_rec, global draw is indeed off and U do have the exFat 4GB override enabled (and yes, I formatted the card in exFat prior to testing). Despite this, mlv_rec will get me 20 seconds of recording time while raw_rec will get me about 40 seconds.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 23, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
Please test: Overlay tab -> Global Draw OFF
Which modules are loaded?
File size for MLV recording after breaking?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Guyhawk on December 29, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Walter I'm sorry for not replying so soon. I was away from my computer the past few days.

Yep, global draw is off.

As for the file sizes, I recorded 4 times and got these numbers:
1. 44 seconds, 97.8MB/s write, 14ms idle, and 4.68GB size
2. 48 seconds, 98.1MB/s write, 10ms idle, and 5.15GB size
3. 47 seconds, 98.1MB/s write, 7ms idle, and 4.99GB size
4. 47 seconds, 98.1MB/s write, 7ms idle, and 5.01GB size

Here are some screenshots from my 5D. Hopefully they might give us insight was to why this is happening. (Wanted to insert the pictures directly, but they were too large so I had to use the URL instead.

Benchmark with my Komputerbay 1066x CF Card:
http://i.imgur.com/INGu78b.jpg

raw_rec Settings:
http://i.imgur.com/elU1aCq.jpg

Modules:
http://i.imgur.com/O3ukWeU.jpg

Modified Settings:
http://i.imgur.com/OypKGd0.jpg
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: lmixon77 on January 17, 2017, 09:19:13 PM
You should add both model designations to the chart.

T2i 550D
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: lmixon77 on May 17, 2017, 05:13:55 PM
You should add the 70D to the RAW capabilities chart.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: gabizao on May 21, 2017, 08:16:17 AM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dLkodF/Screen_Shot_2017_05_21_at_14_47_56.png) (https://ibb.co/dLkodF)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dLkodF/Screen_Shot_2017_05_21_at_14_47_56.png) (https://ibb.co/dLkodF)


Hey! im newbie in videos so forgive if im asking anything stupid.

Just that when I try to convert raw files to DNG using RAW MAGIC LITE, sometimes it pops this message here. I checked the raw files and everything looks fine, and when I try it again with the same file it worked, but mostly keeps popping this message which is quite annoying.

Happened to anyone too? How can I fix this?


Thanks alot
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Roberto Mena on June 23, 2017, 02:04:39 AM
Are these current updates and stats for the 100D true? And if so, could we expect some cool improvements to the 7D also? Don't get me wrong I love my 7D+ML RAW video combo but so far, its been the 5Diii and now the 100D which have added improvements lately but nothing for the 7D.

http://www.eoshd.com/2017/06/enabling-10bit-raw-video-mini-canon-100d/

Thanks!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: khaja84 on July 14, 2018, 03:41:41 PM
Does 7D support ML RAW  Video, why is it marked in red?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 16, 2018, 01:41:08 AM
Yes (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/features.html), and you are referring to an outdated screenshot of an unsupported spreadsheet (also outdated).
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: IDA_ML on July 16, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
Are these current updates and stats for the 100D true? And if so, could we expect some cool improvements to the 7D also? Don't get me wrong I love my 7D+ML RAW video combo but so far, its been the 5Diii and now the 100D which have added improvements lately but nothing for the 7D.

You may want to have a look at Reddercity's latest efforts on this thread:

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11205.675

He made remarkable progres with the Digic-4 based 5DMk2 which gives us some hope for the 7D too.

My impression is that the current developers' efforts are mainly directed towards porting 4k-crop recording to the low-end models (Rebels and EOS-M) and there is substantial progress with that.  I hope, once this effort is successfully completed, the good old 7D that I also love, will again receive the attention that it deserves.  I think, this camera has the full potential to become the No. 2 camera for ML-RAW video after the 5D3, not only because of its fast CF-card interface but also because of this increadible filmic look that it provides.  Until then, please be patient and use your 7D with one of the old builds.  The 2520x1200 resolution of this camera at 12 bits uncompressed and 24 fps provides the most beautiful filmic look that I have ever seen from a digital camera.  Probably it's just me but personally, I enjoy it tremendously!
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: khaja84 on July 19, 2018, 09:44:13 PM
Yes, even without crop recording , its No. 2 camera for ML-RAW video because of its buffer speed.
Crop Mode only good for 10/12 bit and and if you need 14 bit RAW, then one should overclock the card....
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: olegp2005 on August 19, 2018, 12:05:03 PM
The amount of free space on the card does not change. To find out, you need to restart the camera. This is normal?
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Audionut on September 18, 2018, 05:56:06 PM
Is the chart in the OP still relevant?  Seems like there's been a ton of progress since the OP.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: dfort on September 18, 2018, 06:10:15 PM
Looks way out of date to me.
Title: Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
Post by: Audionut on September 18, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
Looks like the speeds are listed here (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14909.0) also.

Topic unstickied and locked.  If anyone has updated content, feel free to start a new thread.