I'd like to know too :) especially for 700d, if its UHS-I compatible and support full 90 mbps speed it might be more interesting with continuous autofocus feature compared to 50d...
I can't decide wether to sell my 600d and get 700d or keep 600d and buy 50d as well...
600D + 50D sounds like a winner.600D + 50D = 650D? ;D
it can not handle 90MB/s, I've read the spec sheet of SD controller, you can get max 50MB/s on EOS M, 650D & 700D.
Does the 700D share the same controller as the 650D? Where did you get that info?
600D + 50D = 650D? ;D
(Just a really poor joke ... couldn't resist :D)
Well. Like qsara said: The 650D and 700D should be too slow to handle 1920 X 720 14-bit raw video at 24 frames per second. This would require 55 Megabyte/s write speed, but it doesn't look like these cameras will be able to get that. Especially since the max. LiveView resolution should be 1734 X 1156 like on the 60D/600D/550D ;D
So even if the cards could handle 1920 width, it wouldn't be possible.
At the moment the 50D looks like the best option for "cheap" raw recording. Maybe the 70D will have a CF card slot again. That would be amazing.
I cant remember the exact resolutions, but it takes the original raw data from the sensorIt was 1732 X 974. Canon rezises that a few times, applies some chroma subsampling, applies some bad sharpen and noise reduction algorithms and finally compress it using the H.264 codec. :( They really know how to screw up an image ;D
If (and it's a big "if") we'll have 12 or 10 bit raw recording true, than bitrates shrink a lot and 650/700D become best options, giving swivel screen, audio and potentially 1734 X 1156 raw video feed.
Only 5DMIII could beat them in this scenario.
The 50D can actually record 1592 X 1062 14-bit RAW videos already. Once the developers find a way to increase the write speed from the current 60 Megabyte/s to the maximal possible 91 Megabyte/s the 50D could even record 1920 X 1080 14-bit in crop mode.They unlocked 70mbs recentely, I took some crop footage at 2000*824 yesterday. Havig this crop mode is really nice, it means you can sell all your telephoto ;) and unlike the blackmagic pocket cinema camera you can still have wide FOV at almost 1600px, wich looks really really sharp compared to old H264. I sold my 550D for a 50D and I'm really happy of the switch!
So what? No one tried RAW on 650D?I tried, but it is to much work for 500 small frames with artifacts
Youtube has a lot of sample raw videos, and here I can't find any, even can't find an official 650D raw thread (except this one)...
@midnight:
Do you have the "automatic turn off" function of the camera on?
It could be possible that recording RAW video is not noticed by the Canon fimrware so it shuts itself of after 30 seconds of no use.
You can find this setting in the menu, if you go to the second screw-wrench. Standart would be 30 seconds.
I don't see any reason why the camera should shut down otherwise. Full buffer would just cause the Video recording to stop, or to slow down, similar to the burst mode with stills. (if I am not wrong)
you can go on forever with a proper UHS-I card and 24p :)
I wonder, why this thread is so small. Is the SD-Card controller from 650d really two times faster than 600d? And 720p@24 is possible? That is what the 550/600d user dreaming for ...
Is the RAW module being developed along with the Alpha build or does the 650D alpha build just use the module already being developed in unified?650D uses the unified RAW module. There is some 650D support required for the module to work, like defining where the necessary functions are in the Canon firmware.
Since it requires only 41 Megabyte/s write speed 1536x656 at 24 frames/seconds should be possible on the 650D. At least for more than a few seconds."Should be possible" is a funny thing when it comes to software/hardware performance. 41 MB/s is the average write speed over some amount of time. There is no accounting for variance. If the write speed slows down for a few frames, you don't keep up with the buffer and drop a frame. Also, that statistic, I believe, is gathered using a different method of writing to the SD card than RAW video. No matter what math you do, it can only do what it does.
Getting other stuff out of the way (off of CPU) may be the best option for improving performance.
If the write speed slows down for a few frames, you don't keep up with the buffer and drop a frame.With a good SD-Card you'll get constant write speeds. So I'm not sure what it is that you want to tell me. And what does this have to do with any statistics or math? 1536 X 656 14-bit RAW videos at 24 frames/s requires 41 Megabyte/s (1536 X 656 X 14 / 8 X 24 = 42,319,872 bytes). That's a fact. At least until the developers find a way to compress the videos.
1536 X 656 14-bit RAW videos at 24 frames/s requires 41 Megabyte/s (1536 X 656 X 14 / 8 X 24 = 42,319,872 bits).That's math. I didn't say the card was the problem. A 95MB/s card still runs at 41 because of the hardware not the card. Let me backtrack a bit and say that no, just reducing CPU load will not improve RAW video. However, to run additional processing on the RAW video you will need CPU cycles for it. Whether you are chopping off the 2-4 LSB (which sound like crazy bit-shifting nightmares) or trying to find the "Huffman encoding" used for RAW (cropped RAW? which has been labeled as a camera crasher), you will still need to fit that time somewhere to shrink the data to fit through your approximately 41MB/s pipe.
i have got a 45mb/s sd and its maximum writing speed is ~33mb/s on my 650d.Is that running the benchmark in video mode or photo mode? Try both and see if there is a difference. I think you can run RAW video in photo mode with live view turned on.
Is that running the benchmark in video mode or photo mode? Try both and see if there is a difference. I think you can run RAW video in photo mode with live view turned on.
EDIT: From the old 650D thread...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3697.msg43310#msg43310
Can some one tell me how to install ML in 700DRead this...
I tried, but it is to much work for 500 small frames with artifactsI am happy now.
i just bought a "32gb Sandisk Extreme Pro Sd 95mb/s" and i've made some tests with it.
now i can record 1579frames (1minute 4-5 seconds) of 1280x720p raw until it skips a frame.
i use the ML build 14.06.13 and raw_rec.mo is made in 21.06.13
i ll make some tests with newer builds soon. nanomad has said 1280x720p continious is possible with a decent sd card but i couldnt make it. (i don't know if sandisk extreme pro 95mb/s isn't decent what is...)
edit: i just tested satriani's 28.06.13 build and got 1860frames.
wow so its a big difference between sandisk 45mbs and 95mbs
Ok iwill invest that card.
1860/24=77, 5sec
1860frame 720p24 without drop frames? Or it records continously after that?
720p 1860frames without dropping. it dropped the 1861th frame. :)
i used to record ~20seconds with my 45mb/s card until drop a frame.
yeah 95mb/s is a huge improvement.
how big your total files (1860 frames) ? If you try to record raw video second times, is there any change ? or it will dropped again at exactly 1861 frame?
well i wonder what card did kmcray use that can make 2500 frames.
And please go through all picture quality settings ("RAW", "RAW + JPEG", "JPEG large & fine", "SRAW", "MRAW" (Does the 650D have those settings in the Magic Lantern menu?) ...)
where is pic quality setting in ML? ???The "Pic Quality" setting should be in the "Shoot" tab. Can you set it to "SRAW" and "MRAW"? Or is the 600D the only XXXD with this feature? I know that the 550D doesn't have it, because it was too buggy.
Thank you very much for the screenshot :)
Only 91 Megabyte Shoot_Malloc ... My EOS 600D has 103 Megabyte Shoot_Malloc (With "Pic Quality" set to "SRAW". Otherwise it's only 75 Megabyte). The EOS 60D's Shoot_Malloc is 280 Megabyte big. I hoped the 650D/700D would lay somewhere in between those two.
The "Pic Quality" setting should be in the "Shoot" tab. Can you set it to "SRAW" and "MRAW"? Or is the 600D the only XXXD with this feature? I know that the 550D doesn't have it, because it was too buggy.
Make sure to reboot the camera or switche the mode dial after you changed the "Pic Quality" setting (If it exists on your cameras). Otherwise it won't change the buffer size.
EDIT: Here is a screenshot of the 600D's "Shoot" tab. I hope yours look similar Shoot | Google Drive (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1Hu7J2NCF4vUnp2RUljR0UtMEU/edit?usp=sharing)
there is no Pic Quality setting in 650d's ML. i changed my settings on canon's firmware.And? Did it change anything?
hei how do you guys -printscreen your menuIn the "Debug" tab you'll find an option that says "Screenshot - 10s". Press it and wait 10 seconds and you'll get a screenshot of whatever you see on the display ;) The screenshot can be found as .BMP image on the SD-Card.
And? Did it change anything?
On the 600D the only settings that affect the Shoot_Malloc size are "SRAW" and "MRAW". "MRAW" decreased it from 75 to 43 Megabyte and "SRAW" increased it to 103 Megabyte (It used to be 104 Megabyte until A1ex changed something ...).
The Canon settings had no effect. But since the "SRAW" and "MRAW" settings aren't available without Magic Lantern and can't be changed from the Canon GUI, I guess on the 650D you can't increase Shoot_Malloc at the moment?
Maybe a developer might put the "Pic Quality" setting on the 650D/700D too?
In the "Debug" tab you'll find an option that says "Screenshot - 10s". Press it and wait 10 seconds and you'll get a screenshot of whatever you see on the display ;) The screenshot can be found as .BMP image on the SD-Card.
i just bought a "32gb Sandisk Extreme Pro Sd 95mb/s" and i've made some tests with it.
now i can record 1579frames (1minute 4-5 seconds) of 1280x720p raw until it skips a frame.
Curious I can record 720p24 continuous with my SanDisk 45MB/s CardOn the 650D or 700D? Could you please check your "Shoot_Malloc" size ("Debug" tab -> "Free Memory" -> Press "Q")?
I think for my T3i I am going to stick to my BM Shuttle 2 recorder and HDMI out, since I bought the recorder. It will give me close enough to RAWHave you tried working with the RAW videos? I can get 18 seconds of 1280 X 512 (2.5:1 aspect ratio) on my 600D which is enough for many situations and gives you a 2.1 crop factor. Upscaling it to 1920 X 768 makes it look really nice, even better than H.264 in terms of sharpness and detail if you use the right debayering and upscaling method. Although the aliasing is quite bad, I had no problems with moiré so far and the dynamic range is just incredible. Of course, the uncompressed HDMI out videos are slightly better than the default H.264 videos. But the RAW videos are even nicer in my opinion. And they look more like film.
On the 650D or 700D? Could you please check your "Shoot_Malloc" size ("Debug" tab -> "Free Memory" -> Press "Q")?650D
Maybe you have more than 91 Megabyte. That would explain why you are getting better results with an average SD-Card ...
650DThank you :D
shoot_malloc total 95MB
Curious I can record 720p24 continuous with my SanDisk 45MB/s Card
RAW 95MBSo the Picture Quality setting does change the Shoot_Malloc size. Just like on the 600D and 60D. Good to know.
RAW + L 91MB
All other 59 MB
What version ml have you installed?Satriani build from 26.06
does 1536 X 614 (2.5:1 | 38 Megabyte/s | 1.8 crop factor) work continously too?No, maximum speed is 37.1 MB but 1600*600 at 24 frames works 1000 frames and more.
No, maximum speed is 37.1 MB but 1600*600 at 24 frames works 1000 frames and more.Don't make me jealous. On the 600D I'm getting 57 frames at this resolution ;D
RAW 95MB
RAW + L 91MB
All other 59 MB
How much is possible with a 95 Megabyte/s card?I dont think we will never get any benefit from a 95 MB/s card.
Since the hardware limit of the camera is 50 Megabyte/s and not 37.1 Megabyte/s, there's still space for improvements on the firmware side.
How do you set this setting? Canon menu or ml menu?In the regular Canon menu.
I dont think we will never get any benefit from a 95 MB/s card. [...] I think the HW limit is 37.1 to 37.3MB/sYou may be right.
Heh.. .the EOSM controller is just like the 6d controller.. you'll probably get at most 41MB until something new is found. You probably need to hack dialog timers to get that. Theoretical is 50MB, thats being eaten somewhere.... Eaten by the firmware, right?
So the Picture Quality setting does change the Shoot_Malloc size. Just like on the 600D and 60D. Good to know.
I wonder what you've done that midnite haven't done?
Just got 4070frames of 1280x720 which is close to continuous right?Almost 3 minutes! Nice :D
Almost 3 minutes! Nice :D
Not continuous (If you can fill your card I'd call it continuous) but enough for many situations. And way more than you can get with the 600D.
Good to see some benchmarks and more information about the 650D and 700D. So there is space for improvements. Squeezing out a bit more buffer and killing what ever eats the write speed should be possible. But with 95 Megabyte buffer and 37 Megabyte/s write speed the cameras are quite usable for RAW videos in my opinion.
By the way, are you German? Because you're using the German Amazon page ... :D
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fo1k9gvyh3%2FVRAM2.png&hash=4a26c679de513708998211f3f85f7fc4)
With this card: http://www.amazon.de/SecureDigital-Capacity-Speicherkarte-Frustfreie-Verpackung/dp/B00422J0CG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372608707&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+sdhc
I have sandisk extreme pro 45mbs but my benchmark is lower than spider. Write is about 20...Where did you buy the card?
I can confirm spider's benchmark numbers.
If you have an USB 3.0 cardreader you can test your card with something like CrystalDiskMark (Windows only).
It is possible - sadly - that your card is a fake.
Ciao, Walter
Doesn't look like 45 MByte/s to me
Ciao, Walter
How strong is it squished? I havent seen it on my videos from 650D.Very strong. On the 600D you have to strech it by 166%. So I guess if you haven't noticed anything like that, it isn't squished and the EOS M is the only camera which has this issue. If you set the resolution in the Canon menu to 720p and record a raw video with Magic Lantern you'll see what I meant which squished.
Very strong. On the 600D you have to strech it by 166%. So I guess if you haven't noticed anything like that, it isn't squished and the EOS M is the only camera which has this issue.You could see it at the beginning of this video , but it looks quite round.
Ive made this vid with 650D with Satrianis Build from 04.07.2013.
It was only a bit of testing the RAW funcionality.
did you use the pinkdotremover? this looks GREAT. what was your workflow?
Ive made this vid with 650D with Satrianis Build from 04.07.2013.This look awesome! Which card do you have?
It was only a bit of testing the RAW funcionality.
Hi,
I'm getting the following results with a Transcend SDHC UH1 32Gb card in a Canon 650D:
1280x720
16:9
card warm up off
small hacks off
The following frame runs:
1728
1491
1126
1665
Not bad for an approx. 36 m/s (benchmarked) low cost card. Good to know a faster card will give continuous 1280 x 720.
ML rocks!
I Think I can confirm that 1280 x 720 24p, can record continously in raw videoCan you please tell me if this card works fine with 1280x560 24p ?
im using
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-016G-X46/dp/B0037FLUYU
Try to dissable global draw.
I'd already done this.
I can't seem to get a screengrab of the benchmark that mdfaisal posted. How do you do this? When I run the 5min benchmark
I get writespeed buffer 2048K 31.0 Mb/s
Read speed 2048K 118.0 Mb/s
which doesn't match mdfaisals posting.
Can you please tell me if this card works fine with 1280x560 24p ?
95mb/s cards are too expensive for me and I'm thinking of getting this one.
P.S. I can purchase 95mb/s 8 GB or 45mb/s 32 GB and It will be great if someone can recommend me ^^. Thanks in advance!
I got it working in 720p without stopping on a Sandisk Extreme 45MB/s 16GB.
I use the build from 14.07.
Just a little test shot of one of my pet geckos:
You can find settings, workflow etc. in the video description.
This was shot in low light, and it has barely any noise :)
Thank you so much for this! You guys are great :D
Huh? The video is not set to private :o
I checked it on a different browser (without being logged in to youtube) and it works there too... Maybe server problems...
How many seconds can you shoot in maximum resolution (1728x...)? Anyone tried?2.6s @ 24fps
2.6s @ 24fps
RAW Crop Mode
partly moon behind clouds
Or 650D is 'blocked' at 41Mb/s write and just CAN'T get more that 720p 24fps?Yes, it is 'blocked' and just can't.
I really want to go 1600 x 6xx - it will be great. Just need Sandisk Extreme with 60mb/s write for tests. Have 45mb/s one and i will test it tommorow - my card reader is dead so i cant download files from my 650 -> PC :/At this resolution it will give you around 14-15 secs at 23.976 fps.
anybody editing in vegas? i haven't yet found a workflow that works. what's your workflow?
thanks.
3. Drag all my files into Adobe Lightroom, edit them there. (you could also use Photoshop, but there you have to edit them and wait till they are all in jpeg format for each shot. In Lightroom you can edit every shot and then export them all together, so you are not forced to make many little breaks)How do you do it exactly?
I love the chroma smooth.
It makes the image so clear but still detailed and sharp.
I don't think so because normally you don't watch Movies at 200%It's all about feeling. Tiny color details are one of those magic things what make you believe its filmic.
So can anyone tell me whats the "bad" thing about the chroma somooting?You lose some chroma detail, but the eye is much more sensitive for luma.
Is it only noticeable if you apply color grading? Or is it something different that makes it "bad"?
I made something new, but I should compare the output from LR with and without exifs.
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..I installed nightly builds on my t4i...but I don't see where can I load the modules for the Raw video...any help will be appreciated...btw the Alpha builds has the M - to load modules for the Raw Videos.......thanks
how many frames can be done on t4i, with 1728 wide and aspect ratio of 2.39? the calculation says 41 mb/s. thanks.175-177 frames at 1728x720 @23.976 fps
That's cool, Spider.
When I saw the first few frames, I thought, "what a mess of hot pixels!", but on watching it play, I love the way the clouds move to reveal the starscape.
I really enjoy timelapse film making, and Magic Lantern makes beautiful, raw-quality, full-resolution films possible on even the most basic cameras - without racking up the wear and tear of thousands of mechanical shutter cycles.
Ok, just some additional info for those looking to shoot RAW on their 650D"s
With global draw and all other features turned off, using sandisk extreme 45mb/s formatted exFAT 128kb allocated unit size I'm getting continuous video using 1152x648 @ 23.976 with write speed 29mb/s (I stopped it at 4 mins with 7gb file size and it was still going strong).
Also, experienced continuous video using 1280x720 @ 23 fps with write speed of 35mb/s and no signs of slowing down, but this seemed to be at its limit (not sure if card write speed limit or camera SD write speed limit).
Waiting for sandisk extreme pro 95mb/s cards to arrive and will post results of that soon, which should tell the final story regarding write speed limit for this camera model.
Thanks again to all Dev Team members and forum posters! Without which none of this would be possible :-)
You mean 18 mb full resolution timelapse without mechanic shutter wearing. Please confirm, because this is huge.I dont know what you mean.
Liveview -> press INFO until MLs info screen appears. Done.Isn't working for me. Sometimes it shows still up.
I dont know what you mean.I mean can ml do raw recording 18 mp at 1 fps without using the mechanical shutter? Thanks for all of your help and sharing. Great community.
I mean can ml do raw recording 18 mp at 1 fps without using the mechanical shutter? Thanks for all of your help and sharing. Great community.
I mean can ml do raw recording 18 mp at 1 fps without using the mechanical shutter? Thanks for all of your help and sharing. Great community.Not possible because ML only dumps the LV stream on the card.
Cool, what did you use for the sound. I am playing around with a surround sound recorder.
dave
Being a last minute kinda thing I didn't have all my gear with me, so I shot with a kit lens and captured sound on my iPhone with a 4-track recorder app called Audiostar on best quality setting using just the phone's mic. You can still hear the wind blow even after I reduced it quite a bit in post. The alarm ringing was for the crossing gates just behind me, so this was actual audio of the event. I was lucky enough to have the train engineer blow the horn as he was passing by me giving that Doppler effect usually associated with trains.
We had just gotten 13.5 inches of snowfall the day before in upstate NY, so I thought it would be cool to catch the train blasting through the new snow and I wanted to try shooting RAW, so it was a good enough excuse for me to get out there and do it :-)
Nice, What technique did you use to sync the audio?.
d
Syncing was pretty easy considering it wasn't a dialogue type scene or some such thing. I just pressed the record buttons on both the camera and phone at the same time and then the stop buttons at the same time also, this left me with a 47 sec video recording and about a 47.25 sec audio recording. So, overlaying the audio on top of the video was straight forward as I was working with basically the same length for both with both being recorded at very nearly the same time. I ended up stretching the audio a bit in post, so that it played when the title was showing at the beginning of the video.
Keep in mind, I had initially forgot that recording in RAW wasn't going to capture audio, so like I said previously, I was kind of scrambling at the last minute to pull this off and just used what I had immediatlely available, hence the iphone.
You mention you were looking to record in 'surround sound', will you be using a special device or a stereo mic or maybe two uni-directional mono mics facing in different directions?
When I found out how easy it is to make surround sound audio files, yes two stereo microphones would work (two Iphones:)). But I bought a ZoomH2n. It has 5 microphones and for surround it records to two wav files (two channels in the front and two in the back). Much easier than having two separate microphones as I really want to try field recordings/video. One thing I want to do is the train video like you did with surround sound.
I use Audacity to take the Zoom files into either 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound (SS). (I did not know Audacity could do this and how easy it was). There is a nice video on the web about making 5.1 but once you do that 7.1 is a snap. I export either as SS wav or ogg or m4a audio files. Ogg and m4a files are much smaller. After "developing" the raw video (I use Photoshop to edit as well as render the video. I used to use Quicktime for rendering. I have compared output form both and I like PS so for me it so easy to do all "developing" in one piece of software) as to I combine the audio and video files in PowerDirector (v. 12). I sync via clapper board (hence my original question). I really need to find a small finger size clapper board or make my own. PowerDirector as far as I can tell through comparing video editors is the only editor to be able to combine ss ogg and m4a audio. The problem however is that PowerDirector does not assign the speakers properly for ss ogg or m4a. For example the left rear speaker maybe assigned the center speaker channel. I have worked out how PD maps the audio to the speakers and have sent this study to Cyberlink (they make PD). They are now working on this and hopefully have a fix soon. WAV files work fine but as I said they are large files that can make the video large.
Hope this is of interest.
dave
I have to laugh, I just bought the Zoom H2n last night! What I especially like about it, in addition to all the awesome features at a great price, is that it uses full size SD cards, the same as my camera, not micro-SD like a lot of other recorders are using these days.
I would suggest not to worry so much about the WAV file size, especially in relation to the RAW video recording file size. And considering you want to capture audio as surround sound, the uncompressed WAV format will be far superior in quality than any compressed format.
Have you looked into a smart phone or tablet Clapboard app? I don't know how good they are, but some are free.
PinkDotRemover
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6658.msg73736#msg73736
The raw recoriding module over-estimated your card speed a little, so it stopped earlier than normal. It might have squeezed a few more frames (1-2 seconds).
I added this message so I could get an idea about how often it happens.
Depends. 650D is bottlenecked by a slow SD-card interface. You get about 41 MByte/s transfer rate. No more. Period.
Ciao, Walter
there are cards fast for our cameras, I recommend to buy the card at 90-95mb/s
here
http://ru.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/sd/extremepro-sdxc-sdhc-uhs-1-95mbs/ ;)
Even with 45MB/s cards it is possible to record continuous 720p24
First test in 1280x720 - 24fps
Far from perfect (also the workflow was really annoying too) but would now love to have a 5dmk3 and playing with 1080 raw because coming from 1080 h264 to 720p even in raw is a bit of a shock...!
I would think so too and I believe you when you say this and I have heard others say the same, but when I tried my SanDisk Extreme 45 MB/s cards they seemed to write just a hair too slow for long term continuous recording, they were writing low to mid 36.x MB/s and it just wasn't enough, needed mid to high 37.x MB/s for continuous. BUT, maybe it was just the build I was using at the time or the copy of those particular cards. I wish they would have worked for me, because the 95 MB/s cards weren't cheap!Same here, have SanDisk Extreme 45MB/s and can rec only ~26sec @720p. That's it or can do something?
Same here, have SanDisk Extreme 45MB/s and can rec only ~26sec @720p. That's it or can do something?
And cant get it atm, if i have 95MB/s card can i rec continuous @720p, but not higher res?
Although the card may be rated 45 MB/s, they don't always achieve that speed, that's been my experience (and others on this forum) anyway, probably because those ratings are usually READ speeds, WRITE speeds are usually a bit lower.if I understand you, then all it is worth to buy this card?
Yes, with a 95 MB/s card you can DEFINITELY achieve continuous 1280x720@24fps all day long, but that's the max I can get (reason being, the camera itself can't write any faster to the SD card). And if you format the card exFat, you can write larger than 4 GB file size. For example, I have recorded continuous video on a SanDisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s 32 GB card until it was full, about 15 mins.
if I understand you, then all it is worth to buy this card?
if I understand you, then all it is worth to buy this card?Well as successes, bought a card ? Share your thoughts and observations.
Well as successes, bought a card ? Share your thoughts and observations.о, наши люди) в моем городе не продаются такие к сожалению ...заказал по почте, card приедет 20го числа, как проверю ее, поделюсь впечатлениями ;)
RU/ Ну как успехи, купил карту ? Поделись мыслями и наблюдениями.
о, наши люди) в моем городе не продаются такие к сожалению ...заказал по почте, card приедет 20го числа, как проверю ее, поделюсь впечатлениями ;)
translate -
Oh, our people)) in my city are not sold such unfortunately ...ordered by mail, the card will come 20th of the number, how to put it, share impressions ;)
my card came!) BUT! I not long rejoiced. Indeed, the recording speed of RAW restricts the camera itself. And that would be a lot not to write, publish picture:
моя карточка приехала!) НО! я не долго радовался. Действительно, скорость записи RAW ограничивает сама камера. И что бы много не писать, выкладываю фото:
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hence the conclusion:
on our cameras (650d) buy very high-speed card does not make sense (
отсюда вывод:
на наших камерах (650d) покупать очень скоростные карты нет смысла (
Use the ML GUI overlay while recording. The canon GUI draws a lot power or turn small hacks on.
hence the conclusion:
on our cameras (650d) buy very high-speed card does not make sense (
отсюда вывод:
на наших камерах (650d) покупать очень скоростные карты нет смысла (
Hello People!, i have my New Sandisk Extreme 8GB 45 MB/s, I ordered 4 cards with 8gb each one because using small capacity card is better for keep cooler the camera, i read this in a forum and is true! One card is full? you change to another card and the camera will be cooler again.
Today I tested the RAW Video with this card and I have 1 minute and 20 seconds of continuos 720@24p video! For me is enough because I do cinema and the takes are very small.
I tested at 648@24p and I have continuous video with no problem!
Regards!
PD: I used the option "Card Warm Up with 64mb" and i put the camera in Raw photo mode.
jimmyD30
thanks for the tip! I conducted a test with 25 frames, it was modest result.
Today I will try your request 24 frames. I think everything will work out! :)
Sounds good! Let us know how it works outafter my tests (recording 720p) is the following: Record 24 frames = 35 seconds, a record 23,976 frames = 45 seconds, recording 23 frames = more than 2 minutes.
All of course understandable, but ... how do you solve the problem with the red and green dots.
And what developers think about this ?
Вау, впечатляет. Всё, в начале февраля покупаю extreme pro card или extreme. Ты говорил, что есть ограничение потока в камере ? сколько Mb/s твоё RAW видео?ну моя камера при записи писала поток 35+ mb/s ...но я записывал кадры не больше 10-15 секунд )
Да и спасибо за ссылку на ДотРемувер, сегодня поюзаю, что за зверь такой :).
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Wow, very impressive. All, in the beginning of February, buy extreme pro card or extreme. You said there was restriction of the flow in the camera ? how many Mb/s your RAW video?
@christo:
Why would you want to use a Micro SD card? I don't know what the adapter will do to the speed.
I think it is a waste of money anyways. I use Sandisk Extreme with 45MB/s, and I can do 720p without any trouble. The card gives me around 40MB/s write speed.
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B004Q3C98S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&keywords=sandisk%20extreme&qid=1390851920&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B004Q3C98S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&keywords=sandisk%20extreme&qid=1390851920&sr=8-3) ( I am not canadian I just used it to show you the card I use)
There is also a version of this card wich is colored gold instead of black. It's label/name is the same, but I don't know how this version performs. Maybe it is just something that is different in some countries, or a newer version of the card perhaps.
I suppose you used a decent USB 3.0 cardreader on your PC for testing.
So you have no clue if your PC based test is bottlenecked by the card or the card reader. Therefore test results are invalid. Any conclusions based on this test are meaningless, too.
There may be a number of reasons why you were getting those numbers. No proper testing method involved -> Invalid results -> Invalid conclusions.
Most of the pages on this thread show people running the RW test from ML
If you want to shoot continuous RAW at 1280x720@24fps on 650D then Yes!
The 95MBps cards will guarantee you can achieve this, as long as your camera can meet the 41MBps SD write speed the specs/forum members say it can do (which should be no problem and have not heard of anyone not getting this speed out of the camera). Reason I say this is because every electronic component every manufactured has some variation to it from the 'mean' stated in the specs, but usually very little and the better the manufacturer, the closer to the expected specs it will be.
For the 650D this isn't really a problem, because to get continuous 1280x720@24fps you need to write at a little above 37MBps, which falls well within the 41MBps spec even including some +/- variation.
Slower rated cards MIGHT be able to do it, depends on the 'copy' you get (every memory card made varies slightly in its read/write speed, the ratings given to a card are general and usually denote the read speed which is typically faster than the write speed).
This where the quality of the card comes into play, where as a SanDisk or Lexar would not be a problem, I have heard of KomputerBay cards causing issues.
.... So you can shoot continuously till the end of the card? no dropped frames? If that's the case I'll get it.
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No dropped frames. It records until the 4GB limit is reached. I never tried out more, since for me there is no need to remove the 4gb limit. Other users reported the same thing back in the old 650D thread.
I just think there are a lot of different versions out there, some might just be fake and some might not come close to the speed written on the card. Your card seems a bit low, even I though I can't tell if it is your card reader... This particular card works for me, so I' fine with it :)
I have no clue about your audio questions. I record music videos, so I have no need for Audio. I never even tried it.
if you do it like an adult, then the music video, you must first draw the storyboard! then to take only those frames that are needed;)
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I converted the raw file to dng using raw2dng.exe however non of my application is recognizing DNG format. so far i have tried PS cs6, LR5.
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Please let me know what you think.
The scenes you're shooting don't really have a lot of range to them to begin with, hard to see the real benefits of shooting RAW.
I'm surprised you can get such images on both with 0 noise though.. I can't seem to do that without reasonable lighting.
What's the accepted best workflow for retaining as much quality in RAW's while minimizing processing time and workload on the computer?
Hello everyone, I've been the silent tester for Magic Lantern for a bit now. I'm finally going to leave my findings of the ML 650D RAW video here for you to read.
Most of the pages on this thread show people running the RW test from ML , and basing conclusions off that. As i just explained, im averaging like 30 mb/s, varying from 29.3 to 34 or so.. this is nowhere near the 60 mb/s it's advertised at. I'm not understanding why it's a proper testing method for others but not in this case, can you elaborate?
I don't use the MLV I use regular RAW both are offered in magic lantern.
First I take all the raw files and put them on my desktop in a folder.
Second pass the raw file folder through " Pinkdotremover " which will override the orignals. So keep another copy elsewhere before using Pinkdotremover! Also when you use it and press convert you will not see anything happening, which is OK, DON'T TOUCH IT! It will let you know when complete.
Third pass the overidden raw file folder through " BATCHelor_3.0_Alpha3 ". It will create your DNG files.
Forth is the tricky part, I open the files in Adobe After Effects. I hit the import tab then click on the first DNG file of the sequence, then click sequence in the same import box.
Fifth Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) will open which will let you do any color corrections you need to do. Once done hit OK.
Sixth is now sending it to render. Render it at settings Best, and Lossless. Render will take the longest of steps. But worth it.
Voila !!
Now you have and avi lossless file which you can edit freely AND do color corrections if needed again.
For a better presentation with a test of this nature I would suggest using Vimeo, even with a free account you can control the quality better than you can with YouTube, this can help demonstrate your test videos better as Vimeo doesn't do as much compression.
The reason I mention MLV is because it allows you to record sound also, to my knowledge the regular RAW modules do not allow this, whereas MLV you can extract a WAV file also. It seems like I can mimic your workflow but just do the beginning differently (using mlvdump to get the RAW files etc)
EDIT: not 100 % sold on rendering AVI files either, I think something like DNxHD might be better to work with in premiere (again just preference here, but my PC is 3 years old and not built for multimedia so i need to save resources where I can)
I agree with you about outputting as AVI, early in the post process anyway (I don't know enough about it to say yea or nay really), but I do know you can't go wrong exporting RAW as lossless or ProRes 4444 for archiving then comverting into other formats as the need arises.
AVI is a editing lossless format...Nope AVI is a container.
dear friends! anyone else have flash with speed 95mb/s ? I would like to hear feedback from the owners? I want to buy such a vehicle, but I think worth it to take or not?
P.S. sorry for my English )
I'm having trouble understanding whether or not it is possible to record audio while recording RAW videos.
If it is, could someone please let me know the step by step process how to do so. I'm quite new to Magic Lantern.
Thanks!
Hi Jimmy, thanks for that, i will try the 3x crop tomorrow. Do you get the same aliasing and moire artifacts too in your vids (non crop)? In my vids it makes the vids pretty well unusable - its really bad..
I am guessing any of the vids i see which look good on youtube/vimeo are also shot in 3x crop mode?
I did try your build recommendations on your older post but still couldn't get 24p continuous. I also did the exfat format (and 128 header) and can record over the 4GB limit but it normally drops a frame and stops by 5 or 6 GBS. I just think the SD controller is at the absolute max it can cope with.
my raw video despite whatever white balance setting i use, turns out very warm. I only converted to .dng files for now, but i wanted to know if there is a way to fix that since I guess it could be fixed in adobe after effects but is this normal?
Used 50D would be a better choice if you can do without the 650D's display option.
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i need for mlv raw and not raw.50d is good for raw but there is no point of shooting mlv raw with 50d since it cant record audio.
anyway thanks
Is any one getting 1280x720 continuous mlv? I'm only getting exactly 1:50 seconds of footage with a san disk extreme 80mb/s uhs-1 class 10 32gb card. Is there any way to get 720p continuous mlv? Would a 90mb/s card help or am i already over killing it because of the controller speed limit?
Thanks guys.
Do i just format my card as exFAT and then the proceed as usual, or is there an extra step?
thanks guys.
Also, would any one be kind enough to share their workflow?
Yeah, I just use a windows machine and format the card exFAT with 128 KB block size (only use this large block size with cards you will use raw video or else you will waste a lot if space).I haven't been able to get it to work.
See my ML RAW work flow videos here: https://vimeo.com/jamesdesira/
Hi,
I'm a newbie to ML and have for the past few weeks been reading through the many threads.
I have the 650D and Installed ML however I'm having some Issues:
I purchased a Transend 90MB/s ultra 32gig USH-1 Write: 55,4MB/sec.
The only Module I have loaded is raw_rec.mo set initially set to 1280x720 these are my only settings in ML
Raw-Rec enabled
After about 10sec I get an error 'movie recording stopped automatically' nothing was saved to the memory card.
I then under Movie tab I reset the Raw video to 640x360 I do not get any error, however nothing again was saved to the memory card.
If I record with the canon firmware 1920x1080 @24 there are no issues.
I guess It could be the memory card or more likely be user error in the way of setup.
Any help in identifying the root cause of the issue would be greatly appreciated. Including cannon forware settings and also ML settings.
I guess If it's the card which I purchased from Amazon ( Not 3rd party seller) I'll dispatch it back to them.
Andrew
Strange thing is the files are on my memory card once I connect to my PC but will not open.
In addition Adobe after affects will not open the file which is a *.RAW
Andrew
I thought you said there WAS no file... :p
Anyway of course it doesn't open a RAW file. That's why there's all those "RAW to DNG" programs out there. You should probably watch a couple of tutorial videos and check out a few of the tutorials here in the "RAW post processing" section.
As for your card... Is the file space shrinking? Because... if so... I would imagine it's simply saving to a different folder than the one you're looking in. (On my card there was nothing in the DCIM/100 folder because it created a DCIM/101 and then a DCIM/102 folder).
And look in your computer... not on your camera.
Whilst the video records fine at 960x540, It will not record without the frame stopping error at 1280x720. Which I presume translates to it cannot write to the card fast enough. Unless there is another reason including set up on the canon firmware or the ML.
My card supposed to accept a write speed of around 55.4MB/s. Just wondering where the bottleneck might be.
This is the card I purchased:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transcend-Ultimate-Class-UHS-I-Memory/dp/B0085T0VXY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Andrew
Rainless,
Thanks again for your insight. I guess I got lots of information to digest, yours was very relevant.
Andrew
Writing a file with 128 Kbyte on a medium with 512 byte block size: 256 write operations have to be handled.
Writing a file with 128 Kbyte on a medium with 128 Kbyte block size: 1 (one) write operation.
Less overhead.
If the card is used to store small data files there will be unused disk space allocated by each file.
Writing a XML with 1 Kbyte -> 128 Kbyte allocated.
127 Kbyte unusable for other files.
Not an issue when used within a cam IMO.
Ciao
Walter
ah I see. Alright thanks for the info DK. Do you happen to know if this would still be an issue on a full frame like the 5D3 or 6D? I've been considering either of those and if that would solve this issue it might be what makes me pull the trigger.
i am so disappointed using magic lantern after buying 650D.now i cant control audio and unlike other camera it gets pink dots while shooting raw which takes double time in workflow.
That's the trade-off for that 40mbs SD card controller. :)
Fortunately there's all kinds of software available for removing the pink dots from the 650D.
It's always better to save up a little bit more and get a 7D or a 5Dmkii though. You're talking about 200-300 bucks but a UNIVERSE of difference.
And the last software versions I used for removing the pink dots worked pretty good, except one worked better for normal mode and another worked better for digital 3x crop mode. Maybe there are newer versions, but it looked like the development on those apps was petering out the last I looked a while back.
You can get 5DM2 for a descent price used on ebay or wherever, but personally I'm looking to get the 5DM3 except they're still a little pricey. I'm thinking they'll come down in price (at least a little I hope) once the 5DM4 comes out, but if you consider Canon's release cycle for the 5D it probably won't be until next year at the soonest.
>:( :( :o :-[ :-\ :'(
So many emotions...
Yeah, coming out with the 700D so soon after the 650D really perplexed a lot of people. If you do a side-by-side comparison of the two there's little difference or improvement with the 700D.
Here's a breakdown where the reviewer calls it a tie between the two: http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-650D-vs-Canon-EOS-700D
What's your opinion on why they came out with the 700D so quickly?
I think the 650D was rushed to market in the first place. I remember it came out about a week or two after I got my 600D and I was mad as hell...
Type: Announcement date
450D: 23 January 2008
500D: 25 March 2009
550D: 8 February 2010
600D: 7 February 2011
650D: 8 June 2012
700D: 21 March 2013
In fact time gap between announcements of 650D and 600D is the largest in xxxD lineup since 450D came up the horizon.
which build version should I install for the raw?
How do you guys solve the pink dots with the newer MLV format?
I can't get PinkDotRemover to work on my mac with the MLV format
How do you guys solve the pink dots with the newer MLV format?
I can't get PinkDotRemover to work on my mac with the MLV format
pink dot remover wont work with mlv. first you wil have to convert to raw. or you can use mlvmystic if u want to convert mlv to dng. make sure you check chroma smooth.
Hello, the Pink Dot Issue has nothing to do with the RAW video format (raw or mlv), it has to with the unique focusing system the 650D and a few other canon cameras use know as Hybrid Focusing (uses a combination of contrast and phase-difference, which makes it very fast and accurate, but introduces the pink dots to ML RAW video).
As far as pink dots being embedded in ML RAW video, this will probably never change, as I don't foresee ML devs trying to remove pink dots in-camera for raw video as that wouldn't be considered a unified solution, which is a primary aim for this dev community regarding the ML project (and rightly so IMO).
Don't know what you mean by "can't get it to work". As far as getting the PDR Tool to run on a Mac, if it's a java based app (which I believe it is), make sure you have Java JRE or SDK installed.
If the app is running, but not actually removing the pink dots, make sure you are using the correct resolution video (I think it only works for 720p, but not 100% sure) and note whether your are shooting 1x or 3x crop mode, there are two separate tools, one for each format. Also there is a Chroma Smoothing app available in which the video resolution and crop mode would be irrelevant, but not sure it works as well as the PDR Tool.
I would strongly suggest reading the entire thread(s) for pink dot removal, as there are a few quirks with each of the apps and you will only discover them after reading the entire thread (however long it is :-)
EDITED: Also see @andy kh response below.
I convert MLV to dng and then use PDR but it is not removing the dots. Seems like the tool is not useable anymore...
How do you guys solve the pink dots with the newer MLV format?
I can't get PinkDotRemover to work on my mac with the MLV format
i don have any problem with PDR
all pink dots are remove very well. this is my first mlv raw video shot wit 650D. this video was made just to see how PDR n audio works..
Hi all!Nope, but chromasoothing seems to solve the pink dot problem regardless of resolution.
First of all, big thank you to the whole team for doing such a great job on developing magic lantern for canon 650D. It is good to know, that you don't have to have canon 5D to be part of the community ;)
I do have a quick question: is it possible to remove pink dots from the 50fps footage from 650D? I managed to record a 30-sec clip on 50fps (720) but because the footage is squashed the pink dot remover seems to fail to remove the dots. Or is it possible to resize the dng's to the right resolution and then process it with pink dot remover?
It would be a bomb to have the possibility of shooting short clips with 50fps.
Big thanks in advance!
J.
45 MBps rated cards definitely will NOT write fast enought to get continuous 720p@24fps raw out of the camera even though the write speed limit for the camera is like 37-41MBps.I don't know what you are doing but I have 3 Sandisk 45MB/s rated Cards and with all of them it is flawlessly possible to record 720p24 until the card is full.
That's impossible...
Confirm these cards (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/828326-REG/SanDisk_SDRX3032GA21_32GB_SDHC_Memory_Card.html) are just fine for 720p continuous. Their write speeds benchmarks in ML test about 40 MB/s (controller limit)
Manufacturer's write speed claim is 45 MB/s, which is true (confirmed on usb 3.0 card reader)
Confirm these cards (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/828326-REG/SanDisk_SDRX3032GA21_32GB_SDHC_Memory_Card.html) are just fine for 720p continuous. Their write speeds benchmarks in ML test about 40 MB/s (controller limit)The new yellow cards are working perfectly too.
Manufacturer's write speed claim is 45 MB/s, which is true (confirmed on usb 3.0 card reader)
So now we have SRM memory interface working with raw_rec module.Which build are you using because there are some failed nightly builds.
Which build are you using because there are some failed nightly builds.
We just shot the entire series of the First Five Years @ 1280x720 24fps and many takes were well over several minutes. We used the Sandisk Extreme Pros.