Updated: October 3rd, 2013
By now you should have a few video raw files to process.
If not then make sure you read here:
RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
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THE ORIGINAL: RAW Video Post processing [Mac/Win/Linux]
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0
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Remember: RAW means that your Picture Profiles have no effect on the final video colors, contrast, sharpness, etc. All of this should be adjusted in Post-processing.
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Nice Tut for those interested in Davinci Resolve and AE workflow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASBwVSOlXkh
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Step 1 EXTRACTING THE DNG FRAMES
The RAW video files cannot currently be processed directly by any video editor. Each RAW file encapsulates the frames in DNG format so we need to extract these frames first:
1.1 Please download the RAw2dng.exe application for windows.
HERE: http://acoutts.com/a1ex/raw2dng.exe
Instructions: In Windows just drag and drop the RAW video files to this exe and it will extract the dng frames in the directory where the RAw2dng.exe file is located.
If your card is formatted inside the camera, it will have FAT32 format in which case the RAW files will be split in 4GB chunks. You will need to join them in the following manner before you process them with Raw2dng.exe
1. Rename the files as file1.raw file2.raw .. etc
Use command line:
copy/b file1.raw+file2.raw+.... filenew.raw
or ..
1a. Rename files as file.001, file.002
Download file joiner splitter such as FFSJ v 3.3
http://www.softpedia.com/get/File-managers/File-Splitter-and-Joiner.shtml
2. Extract DNG with latest RAw2dng.exe
here: HERE: http://acoutts.com/a1ex/raw2dng.exe
If you format your card outside the camera to Exfat then the camera will record files larger than 4GB. These files can be processed with the latest Raw2dng.exe See link above
Nice new apps for Windows being developed for automatic batch processes here:
RAWanizer - windows batch generation of proxy files from RAW
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5557.0
RAW2DNG BATCHelor 1.1 Beta
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5645.msg39772#msg39772
1.1a For MAC users follow instructions here:
raw2dng.app 0.7 Osx GUI development, bugs and updates
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0
Other technical details about DNG:
Install Adobe DNG Codec 2.0 (Needed to see thumb images in windows)
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5495
DNG = Digital Negative is a lossless raw image format which was developed by Adobe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Negative
In case you are wondering this is NOT CinemaDNG format
HERE: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/cinemadng/cinemadng_p1_spec_091009.pdf
How to view DNG thumbnails in Windows:
Good review and methods here:
http://photographylife.com/how-to-view-dng-thumbnails-in-windows
I use FastPictureViewer Codec Pack, which is great!
http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs/
A complete library of DNG support here:
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/products_y7.htm#converters
Step 2 MAKING NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO DNG FRAMES
Now you should have you RAW file broken into its individual frames.
The next step is make some corrections of White Balance and Tint. To do this you will need some software that can open the DNG files and allows to make the required adjustments.
The most powerful tool to do this is ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) which is a plug-in for Photoshop. If you have it then:
2.1. Open all the files at once, if you computer does not have enough memory or speed you will have to note all of the settings and apply to smaller sets of images.
2.2. On the left side of ACR you will see a thumbnail of all of the opened images. Click on the first image on the left side and then click on Select All
2.3. Set the White Balance according to the scene, this is a subjective step but you can have ACR set it for you if you in Auto mode or simply choose from the options in the drop down menu which mostly represents the scene in which the video was recorded. For example you can set it to Daylight, and this will adjust the WB=5500 and the Tint=10
2.4. Make sure that your settings in the Basic configuration are not moved from zero adjustment. Read carefully Technical Note 1 below step 2.6
2.5. On the bottom left side of ACR click on the Save Images button where you need to make some selections as to where to save the files, the type of image format you want to save, and the quality of such format. The selection will depend on what type of software you have available for converting these images into a video file, and the desired quality of the final process. If you are not sure, select jpeg format and the highest quality to make sure we do not lose any details i.e. Quality=12
2.6. Finally click on Save and then on Done. The ACR will work converting these DNG frames to your selected directory.
TECHINICAL NOTE 1 :
In ACR 7.1 do not abuse the highlight, shadow recovery sliders because this might bring flickering from frame to frame.
In ACR 6.7 do not move the fill light and recovery sliders.
If you experience flickering then start backing off on ACR (BASIC) adjustment sliders. I have successfully used the sliders in ACR 7.1 Tone Curve for highlight and shadow control without experiencing any flickering.
Follow this issue here:
Preventing Color/Luma Shifting When Processing DNGs in Adobe Camera RAW
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5710.0
Other software that can open and adjust DNGs:
1. UFRAW
2. Lightroom 4.2
3. Dcraw
4...
Step 3 MAKING A VIDEO OUT OF THE NEW FRAMES (JPG, TIFF, DNG)
Most video production software will allow to import the frames and turn them into a video. Usually it is referred as opening an image sequence and it allows to import all of the frames at once into an editable video.
One of the most powerful and free video editors is called VirtualDub which is able to import the frames, do some fancy editing, and save it.
Originally it could only save in avi format but now there are plug-ins can be added to save in other formats.
Download here: www.virtualdub.org/index
Here is quick how to:
Open VirtualDub
File Open
Select Image Sequence from selection type
Click on Video and Frame Rate
Change Frame Rate to (fps): 29.97 Click OK (Must match your RAW video settings)
Again Click on Video and then Compression
Select new Codec Like CineForm (Must install this one)
Click OK
Click File Save AS AVI
To install CineForm codec you must install GoPro Cineform Studio. This codec will produce great results but if you want the full version which allows for greater color depth and 2K to 4K frame sizes you will have to purchase their Cineform Studio Premium program.
More details about this here:
Cineform Studio (free) 1080p transcoding issues:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2695.0
That is it!
Now you have RAW video converted to and AVI file. Note that you may not be able to play this in a slow PC. This AVI file will be very large and require very high bitrates which may not be compatible with older PCs. For this reason I have mention above that you should install a compression codec to reduce the size of the file and make it a bit more readable in slow hard drives.
The beauty of this process is that it is conserving much of the original data contained in the RAW files. If you compress this video to other formats like mpeg1 you will lose all of the great details provided by RAW video recording.
This is where all of the more advanced video post processing methods flourish in an effort to pass all of the great detail, and color depth to the viewers. At this point one has to consider who are the viewers and the platforms available for viewing so the optimal choice of software and workflow will vary greatly.
Here you can find more discussions regarding more advanced workflows:
RAW Video Post processing [Mac/Win/Linux]
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0
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Adobe just released version 8.1 of Adobe Camera Raw
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/06/camera-raw-8-1-and-dng-converter-8-1-now-available.html (http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/06/camera-raw-8-1-and-dng-converter-8-1-now-available.html)
You can also open the DNG-files as a sequence in After Effects. Doing this, also opens up the Adobe Camera Raw, so that you can make all the adjustments.
When editing you video in Adobe Premiere, I suggest exporting the DNG-sequence to PSD-files. For these support 16 bit and Premiere can natively open them as psd-Sequence (in 16bit!).
If you want to edit on a more modest workstation and/or don't want to worry about the space/disk performance needs of raw video, it also works nicely to import your raw sequence into AE, adjust levels/color balance/etc as needed, and then export to 12-bit DNxHD/ProRes. Once you've graded and done shadow/highlight recovery, the raw files become less necessary.
I think that's up to your opinion.
In my case, I do want to retain as much RAW as possible throughout the hole post process.
By the way: With ProRes, the picture becomes less sharp and it is only compatible to MAC.
Quote from: guentergunter on June 10, 2013, 05:36:58 PM
You can also open the DNG-files as a sequence in After Effects. Doing this, also opens up the Adobe Camera Raw, so that you can make all the adjustments.
When editing you video in Adobe Premiere, I suggest exporting the DNG-sequence to PSD-files. For these support 16 bit and Premiere can natively open them as psd-Sequence (in 16bit!).
You've noticed the difference between editing in Premiere from psd 16 bit once and jpeg 8 bit on the other hand if you tried?
The is no Prores export option from AE in Windows?
Regards
Hi, I'm just started with this all new and impressive feature - RAW recording. I own 5d Mark II. Tried yesterday some shooting and now I have 14 .RAW files. Joined them through a copy/b command, got one file (11.67 GB), but RAw2dng extract just the frames from the file 001, but not all the dngs from all joined .RAW files. Is this possible? Because I obviously want to import All the frames in ONE sequence. Now I thought I could extract those .RAW files to different folders, then batch rename so that I have continuous dng file numbering (i.e, from 00001 till 015000). But having to extract one joined file would be very nice, much less work to do.
Also I must admit, all my .RAW files are smaller than the 4 GB limit.
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Step 1 EXTRACTING THE DNG FRAMES
The RAW video files cannot currently be processed directly by any video editor. Each RAW file encapsulates the frames in DNG format so we need to extract these frames first:
1.1 Please download the RAw2dng.exe application for windows.
HERE: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads
Instructions: In Windows just drag and drop the RAW video files to this exe and it will extract the dng frames in the directory where the RAw2dng.exe file is located.
If your card is formatted inside the camera, it will have FAT32 format in which case the RAW files will be split in 4GB chunks. You will need to join them in the following manner before you process them with Raw2dng.exe
1. Rename the files as file1.raw file2.raw .. etc
Use command line:
copy/b file1.raw+file2.raw+.... filenew.raw
or ..
1a. Rename files as file.001, file.002
Download file joiner splitter such as FFSJ v 3.3
http://www.softpedia.com/get/File-managers/File-Splitter-and-Joiner.shtml
Is it possible to use After Effects as a online/offline workflow. For example.
DNG> ACR> AE> Export to low res proxy> Edit in FCP> Return to AE for final CC> Export high res master
For those of you who are new to Magic Lantern and are not very adept at the command line, here's a tutorial on how to merge ML RAW files without having to use the command line. This tutorial was created for the Mac, but it will also work in Windows. You'll need a hex editor and of course, a DNG extractor Utility like raw2dng, RAWMagic or raw2cdng.
HEX EDITORS:
Hex Fiend Hex editor for Macintosh
http://ridiculousfish.com/hexfiend/ (http://ridiculousfish.com/hexfiend/)
HxD Hex editor for Windows
http://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/ (http://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/)
RAW UTILITY:
RAWMagic
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ht3ydb4s254ka5z/RAWMagic-beta7a.dmg (http://www.mediafire.com/download/ht3ydb4s254ka5z/RAWMagic-beta7a.dmg)
raw2dng
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0)
Thanks for the vid. Last time I used rawmagic this process worked by simply adding the .r00 files together with the .raw file. Don,t work in raw2dng yet however.
For Windows there is also http://eyeframe.tk
How to:
- Drag and drop RAW files into the gui.
- Spanned files will be merged automatically.
- The conversion to dng first and then to tiff will run automatically.
- The imported clips will show up in the list.
- Preview video by double left click thumbnail.
- Hit convert.
- Select the video format you want(+ proxies if needed).
- Click 'okay' and the batch conversion will start.
Btw.:
- Time code and reel name can be edited by right click in colum.
- The dcraw settings(dng>tiff) can be found and edited in "Documents/EyeFrame Data/dcraw.ini"
I'm still having problem of join the file larger than 4g. I'm using the mk2, I get a raw file a r00 and a r01. I'm using the mac version raw2dng, how can I join them together.
I just saw the reply #8, it just solve the problem perfectly, thank for sharing this.
Hi!
I found a cheap DNG converter. Free 30 day trial, then something like 20-30USD with 30 day money back if not happy.
Convert DNG to TIFF, JPG and more.
http://www.contenta-converter.com/download.php?language=en&keywords=converter%20file%20dng&gclid=COWArbWAiLgCFfR6cAodbSoALQ
@ videop
How was the color after converting with Contenta converter?
What workflow used?
Hard to say, only did a quick test.
Having an issue with Raw2dng.exe. It won't open properly. Once I click on it the window briefly opens then immediately closes. I've tried running as admin, doesn't make a difference. Any suggestions?
Drag and drop a raw file onto it and it will create the dng files in the same folder.
Thanks Tin2Tin!
Ok, so I have a t3i. I'm recording at 832x480 resolution with a 16:9 aspect ratio. This is not HD as expected. How do I uprez it to 1280x720? I am using adobe premiere cs5. Is this where I use cineform studio? Will cineform uprez the video for me? Thanks!
Can anyone explain why the raw2dng app generates a mov. file after i drag my Raw file to the app? Is that mov. file a raw video file or it is the normal video file?
......One of the most powerful and free video editors is called VirtualDub which is able to import the frames, do some fancy editing, and save it....................Open VirtualDub/File Open/Select Image Sequence from selection type/Click on Video and Frame Rate
I have installed Vdub but I can't see any option in any menu that allow me to import an imagines sequence as it should.
Can you tell me where is it or how to enable it?
thank you.
Does anybody know how a workflow that uses SpeedGrade instead of DaVinci Resolve?
Thanks!
Quote from: raywillus on July 11, 2013, 06:46:23 AM
Can anyone explain why the raw2dng app generates a mov. file after i drag my Raw file to the app? Is that mov. file a raw video file or it is the normal video file?
You can chose to output DNG and if you wish even a Prores file. The .mov is Prores.
Strange thing for me is my first try resulted in playable Prores with a thumbnail and after that I get a .mov file without thumbnail and not playable.
Quote from: ToniX on July 12, 2013, 03:34:20 PM
......One of the most powerful and free video editors is called VirtualDub which is able to import the frames, do some fancy editing, and save it....................Open VirtualDub/File Open/Select Image Sequence from selection type/Click on Video and Frame Rate
I have installed Vdub but I can't see any option in any menu that allow me to import an imagines sequence as it should.
Can you tell me where is it or how to enable it?
thank you.
File -> Open video file -> Files of type -> Set to Image Sequence
Quote from: dogmydog on July 13, 2013, 12:43:41 AM
Does anybody know how a workflow that uses SpeedGrade instead of DaVinci Resolve?
Thanks!
I've had success importing CinemaDNG sequences generated by RawMagic. You can also import the dng from raw2dng into AE, save the project, import the sequences in Premiere Pro and then send them in SpeedGrade. That is if you want to make sure to retain the full dynamic range of the image. Otherwise, justo export a clip from the dng in AE and do your work.
I've been using the new Adobe CC and it was working well, should work to in CS6.
Cheers.
ups
(50D raw -> raw2dng)
I am having trouble playing back the raw dng files in my editors (after effects & Premier Pro)
they will play but not anywhere near real time (reduced quality down to 1/4 and everything)
how are ye guys coping with playback in AE
my pc specs:
Win 7 ultimate
i7 3820 (3.6ghz)
GTX 680 SC 2gb
16GB 2133mhz ram
256gb ocz Agility 3 SSD
2TB WD Black HD
Quote from: kelan.chad on August 01, 2013, 06:22:30 PM
(50D raw -> raw2dng)
I am having trouble playing back the raw dng files in my editors (after effects & Premier Pro)
they will play but not anywhere near real time (reduced quality down to 1/4 and everything)
how are ye guys coping with playback in AE
my pc specs:
Win 7 ultimate
i7 3820 (3.6ghz)
GTX 680 SC 2gb
16GB 2133mhz ram
256gb ocz Agility 3 SSD
2TB WD Black HD
I have similar specs but with one difference. 32 GB of ram. Most of the time I can load the whole clip into the ram preview and it plays back realtime there. Although that being said my clips are mostly shorter than 10 mins
After a month and a half of shooting raw I have found the best solution and sometimes quickest ( depending on the speed of deving the files in capture one)for me has been the following, convert the raw files with Raw magic, open the Dng files in capture one 7 adjust the first frame then copy these settings to the balance, then process as 100%tiff , open the files as an image sequence in QuickTime 7 and save as whatever file you need, my preference is 444 , the quick time element is very fast, the capture one processing less so, but this method appears to give a lot cleaner file than photoshop converter, and capture one can do a lot more tweaking than photoshop raw, with regards to the 4 gig problem, I am formatting the card on the mac and that appears to do the trick,
This particular workflow also has the added benefit of avoiding anything to do with adobe, and in particular the creative cloud, and from that point alone it is worth considering.
If it is of any help the link to capture one is here. http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads.aspx
Hey folks! I just wanted to share a free Adobe Camera RAW preset that I believe will be very useful for others as it has been for me in post processing.
This plugin will take your footage and flatten your image so you can render into Pro-Res, DNxHD, or Cineform and color-grade in whatever program you wish.
Give it a try and let me know what you think!
Download and read more information here: http://www.dlwatson.net/flatz-preset.html
*footage shown in video is from a Canon 50D.
Quote from: D.L. Watson on August 04, 2013, 07:18:52 AM
Hey folks! I just wanted to share a free Adobe Camera RAW preset that I believe will be very useful for others as it has been for me in post processing.
This plugin will take your footage and flatten your image so you can render into Pro-Res, DNxHD, or Cineform and color-grade in whatever program you wish.
Give it a try and let me know what you think!
Download and read more information here: http://www.dlwatson.net/flatz-preset.html
*footage shown in video is from a Canon 50D.
I like your work DL. I am trying to figure out your post raw workflow. Do your roundtrip begin with Resolve? If so, do you use BMD? I think not because you use your own flatz preset in ACR. If your roundtrip begins in After Effect I want to know why because I am new to CS6. ACR is awesome! However Resolve has become my "favorite" program. Maybe I should have just ask you at what point of post production do you use your preset?
Quote from: BrotherD on August 06, 2013, 08:22:27 AM
I like your work DL. I am trying to figure out your post raw workflow. Do your roundtrip begin with Resolve? If so, do you use BMD? I think not because you use your own flatz preset in ACR. If your roundtrip begins in After Effect I want to know why because I am new to CS6. ACR is awesome! However Resolve has become my "favorite" program. Maybe I should have just ask you at what point of post production do you use your preset?
Thanks!
I do not convert to CinemaDNG because Resolve doesn't seem to use all the information available.
Here is my two different workflows. Ill be doing a workflow tutorial soon.
1# Without using the Flatz Preset1. Export RAW to DNG frames
2. Import DNG frames to AE
3. Export HD H.264 Proxies
4. Edit in Premiere
5. Copy edit, Paste in Adobe After Effects
6. Replace HD Proxies with DNG frames, Color Correct in ACR
7. Render in DNxHD. Add back into Premiere for sound and final render.
#2 Using the Flatz Preset1. Export RAW to DNG frames
2. Import DNG frames to AE, apply Flatz Preset (adjust white balance/tone as necessary)
3. Export 4.4.4. DNxHD files
4. Edit in Premiere & Render
5. Color Correct in Resolve & Render.
Hope that helps. Ill be posting my workflow video by Wednesday at the latest.
Quote from: D.L. Watson on August 06, 2013, 08:56:33 AM
Thanks!
I do not convert to CinemaDNG because Resolve doesn't seem to use all the information available.
Here is my two different workflows. Ill be doing a workflow tutorial soon.
1# Without using the Flatz Preset
1. Export RAW to DNG frames
2. Import DNG frames to AE
3. Export HD H.264 Proxies
4. Edit in Premiere
5. Copy edit, Paste in Adobe After Effects
6. Replace HD Proxies with DNG frames, Color Correct in ACR
7. Render in DNxHD. Add back into Premiere for sound and final render.
#2 Using the Flatz Preset
1. Export RAW to DNG frames
2. Import DNG frames to AE, apply Flatz Preset (adjust white balance/tone as necessary)
3. Export 4.4.4. DNxHD files
4. Edit in Premiere & Render
5. Color Correct in Resolve & Render.
Hope that helps. Ill be posting my workflow video by Wednesday at the latest.
Thank DL!
I like the second workflow, starting in ACR and finishing in Resolve. Why do you export as DNxHD instead of DNG? Is exporting as DNxHD in AE as slow as rendering in AE? Rendering in both Premiere and AE is too slow for me. Rendering in Resolve is fast.
If you are covering those concerns in the video disregard this. I am looking forward to the video.
Virtual Dub does not open DNG files as an image sequence?
Quote from: Disease on August 07, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
Virtual Dub does not open DNG files as an image sequence?
As noted on the guide:
"2.5. On the bottom left side of ACR click on the Save Images button where you need to make some selections as to where to save the files, the type of image format you want to save, and the quality of such format. The selection will depend on what type of software you have available for converting these images into a video file, and the desired quality of the final process. If you are not sure, select jpeg format and the highest quality to make sure we do not lose any details i.e. Quality=12"
You can save the images as .jpg and then import them to Vdub as image sequence...
My workflow in windows is very simple:
Convert the Raw to CinemaDNG with Rawanizer or RAW2CDNG
Open in Resolve the sequence
Only issue is that Resolve has not the best debayering algorithm (I'm using 50D raw output) so moirè is a bit increased.
Hoping that version 10 will solve it.
Hello, I am having a problem, I'm recording to 1344x756 and 1280x720 (I think) none of the raw files are more than 1 Giga, some I can convert dng the other simply does nothing other than using raw2dng try using other programs having the same result. If you can give me a hand to see what I can do would be appreciated. I read several posts with similar problems but not the same.
Camara canon 650D, Windows 7 64bit.
Hola, estoy teniendo un problema , estoy grabando a 1344x756 y 1280x720(creo) ninguno de los archivos raw son mas de 1 Giga, algunos los puedo convertir a dng y otros simplemente no hace nada aparte de usar raw2dng trate de usar otros programas teniendo el mismo resultado . Si pueden darme una mano a ver que puedo hacer se agradecería. Leí varios post con similares problemas pero no iguales .
Camara canon 650D ,Windows 7 64bit.
Hola , bueno aparentemente encontré la ERROR >:( y es que se me apagaba la cámara (y eso que me lo decía :) en pleno grabado y al suceder eso parece que el raw queda mal cerrado y ningún programa para convertir de raw a dng lo reconoce como es logico . Supongo es una obviedad pero no lo vi posteado y me volví loco . De todas formas Mil Gracias.
Quote from: Tongotongo on August 09, 2013, 07:24:07 AM
Hola , bueno aparentemente encontré la ERROR >:( y es que se me apagaba la cámara (y eso que me lo decía :) en pleno grabado y al suceder eso parece que el raw queda mal cerrado y ningún programa para convertir de raw a dng lo reconoce como es logico . Supongo es una obviedad pero no lo vi posteado y me volví loco . De todas formas Mil Gracias.
Creo que hay forma de recuperarlo si consigues anadir el 'footer' al directorio RAW que te quedo incompleto, es un poco complejo y tiene que contener los datos (resolucion, numero de cuadros, etc) del clip en cuestion. Lo mejor es intentar abrir otro directorio en notpad y copiar el footer para reemplazar lo en el directotio que quedo incompleto... espero que esto te sirva de algo!
Hola Africashot,
igual es un poco offtopic, pero como veo poco en español...
He probado el módulo Raw en mi 5DmkII y grabo un poco y cuando meto la tarjeta en el Mac veo sólo un archivo Raw, este se llama M21-1220.RAW
Por lo que he visto a otros, veo que les genera muchos Raw y luego les convierten en Dng.
Que estoy haciendo mal ??
Otra cosilla,... tengo una tarjeta Lexar 1000x y he leido que había que formatear en exFat. Cuando la formateo así e instalo ML luego en la cámara me dice que no reconoce el formato y que la tengo que formatear y la paso a Fat32. Esta tarjeta la idea es grabar cachos de video en Raw. Que hago mal ??
Mil gracias
Has anyone seen these videos? They're for the KineRAW, but other than the CDNG conversion step, it seems like an easy to follow guide to using Resolve to manage your workflow. Check it out:
http://www.kinefinity.tv/workflow/ (http://www.kinefinity.tv/workflow/)
hi,
i have been converting my raw files (shot on canon 60D) with raw2dng. From there I import to lightroom as DNG, edit, and export as DNG. To actually convert from dng to a movie file I'd like to import to After Effects and convert there. Does anyone know the specific workflow (DNG>best possible video format) within adobe after effects?
Regards,
Dennis
AE reads Imagefiles. So - you are good to import your DNGs right into AE. Just select "image sequence" while importing. I would even leave lightroom out of this workflow actually.. At least that's how i do it.
Quote from: atideno on October 21, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
hi,
i have been converting my raw files (shot on canon 60D) with raw2dng. From there I import to lightroom as DNG, edit, and export as DNG. To actually convert from dng to a movie file I'd like to import to After Effects and convert there. Does anyone know the specific workflow (DNG>best possible video format) within adobe after effects?
Regards,
Dennis
Quote from: matthieu on October 21, 2013, 02:59:35 PM
AE reads Imagefiles. So - you are good to import your DNGs right into AE. Just select "image sequence" while importing. I would even leave lightroom out of this workflow actually.. At least that's how i do it.
Thanks for your quick reply.
What do you export as? Can you specify? I just don't want to lose quality during export.
Dennis
Hi, there are 2 Formats in AE which preserve the bitrate-
dpx and tiff, both with 16(!) bit
Quote from: dude on October 21, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
Hi, there are 2 Formats in AE which preserve the bitrate-
dpx and tiff, both with 16(!) bit
thanks dude!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbbTF6yRbCg&feature=youtu.be (or in 1 hour this will be available as well: https://vimeo.com/77468344 )
the left bottom corner (blue sky) is flickering (distorted) in the first 3 seconds on youtube (does it throughout the whole video when played on my computer). note that it needs to be played in 720p and in fullscreen. where could this come from/how could it be resolved? it does the same thing even if i export as tiff image sequence and import into final cut proX.
Regards,
Dennis
Seems this utility may help - it converts raw frames to video raw, with real-time playback and edit. Also adds audio. Also good for timelapse-to-video. Check it out on Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/primehd/raw-2-cf-raw-convert-your-frames-into-video-fast
I wish we could collect the post workflow in stages and all in one location: i.e., workflow using AA, 2) Workflow using Photoshop, 3) Workflow using Camera Raw etc. Also note that updates are constant and may be necessary, and different version sometimes respond differently too.
Having to follow link after link to collect bits and pieces of data was a nightmare before you realize this. And I still don't have a completed timeline to rendered video that I can upload for viewing on Youtube, Vimeo, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASBwVSOlXkh
Heres another good workflow in da vinci resolve. Might already be in here somewhere
Quote from: aluncrockford on August 03, 2013, 02:49:23 AM
This particular workflow also has the added benefit of avoiding anything to do with adobe, and in particular the creative cloud, and from that point alone it is worth considering.
If it is of any help the link to capture one is here. http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads.aspx
Not if your editor is part of the Adobe family. But I'm sure your help will be appreciate by those that edit as you do. Now if we can collect and organize all these into one area to avoid all this endless readings. If I ever solve my equation for RAW from ingest to render, I will post my procedure using Adobe suite. I'll also update here as I learn more and more along the way.
Here is my first observation: RAW is not quite ready for prime time. Although RAW is a godsend for true cinematography, at the moment few -- correction no -- editors support it. In the future, I'm sure that will change. But for now, we have to hopscotch from program to program to get where we need to be.
The first step is to get from RAW to cinemaDNG which several application can do. Namely, Adobe's After Effect, Photoshop, and even Lightroom. Also, Speedgrade, Da Vinci Resolve, as well as several other free applications.
(BTW, you can view the DNG in Premiere but the playback will be slow as molasses (even when you lower the quality). So don't expect much at the moment other than viewing a still.)
The problem is once you've converted to DNG now what? That's where I'm at right now. Where to go from here? I could convert/transcode to a lower format edit, then reconnect. But the whole process is arduous enough without adding more step, and I don't want to learn how to lower the resolution's then bring it back up (if I can avoid it).
I guess its also a good time to figure when to use RAW and when not to. I'll be back when I learn more. So stay tuned.
What are the best settings to export from After Effects/Adobe Media Encoder to Youtube etc.? Workflow:
RAW to DNG -- Import/editing in After Effects -- save project -- render project in Adobe Media Encoder -- upload to internet.
Quote from: rtf on February 13, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
What are the best settings to export from After Effects/Adobe Media Encoder to Youtube etc.? Workflow:
RAW to DNG -- Import/editing in After Effects -- save project -- render project in Adobe Media Encoder -- upload to internet.
Well I am not sure what platform you are on, but I have found that uploading the highest quality uncompressed (or least compressed) video has yielded the best results for YouTube. People may think that it's insane uploading a video that is huge to YouTube. It takes a long time to upload an uncompressed, high quality, video but it actually does make a considerable difference.
Basically don't finalise it to .H264 because YouTube will do that. You don't want to recompress.
I am rendering on the Mac and use ProRes 422.
Check out this little article:
http://www.videomaker.com/article/17034-encoding-youtube-videos-at-the-highest-quality (http://www.videomaker.com/article/17034-encoding-youtube-videos-at-the-highest-quality)
Quote from: mageye on February 13, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
Well I am not sure what platform you are on, but I have found that uploading the highest quality uncompressed (or least compressed) video has yielded the best results for YouTube. People may think that it's insane uploading a video that is huge to YouTube. It takes a long time to upload an uncompressed, high quality, video but it actually does make a considerable difference.
Basically don't finalise it to .H264 because YouTube will do that. You don't want to recompress.
I am rendering on the Mac and use ProRes 422.
Check out this little article:
http://www.videomaker.com/article/17034-encoding-youtube-videos-at-the-highest-quality (http://www.videomaker.com/article/17034-encoding-youtube-videos-at-the-highest-quality)
Alright, thanks. There must be another way than uploading a huge, uncompressed, file though. I once read that bigger is not always better.
Anyway, can't find ProRes 422 in the Adobe Media Encoder. I have Windows here.
Quote from: Videop on July 14, 2013, 12:30:44 AM
You can chose to output DNG and if you wish even a Prores file. The .mov is Prores.
Strange thing for me is my first try resulted in playable Prores with a thumbnail and after that I get a .mov file without thumbnail and not playable.
Strange. I just changed the video codec option within After Effects from animation to prores and the final exported MOV file reduced from 708mb to 83mb while retaining the same resolution. See below (note the codecs and file sizes). Will have to play around with the two files in davinci to see if the larger "animation" codec is significantly better... but from previewing both files full screen, I can't see any difference!
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32286122/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-14%20at%202.22.37%20PM.png)
I've been using Magic lantern Raw for the last few weeks. Although a lot of effort to shoot and edit, it really produces amazing results and I love it. The Magic Lantern developers deserve a box of medals. I've done some videos on how to edit with the footage on Windows using After Effects and Camera Raw to help others. Hope they help someone get through the process quicker than it took me!
Thanks davocork
Quote from: rtf on February 13, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
What are the best settings to export from After Effects/Adobe Media Encoder to Youtube etc.? Workflow:
RAW to DNG -- Import/editing in After Effects -- save project -- render project in Adobe Media Encoder -- upload to internet.
Once you have your DNG sequence:
- convert to video. Not only for editing but also to playback and catalog your clips.
RAW 4 PRO (http://raw4pro.com) gives you a choice of DNxHD (same as ProRes), MPEG2 (super small file sizes), or CineformRAW.
- do your edit in video. Real-time, no pain. Then
online back to DNGs (http://raw4pro.com/support/) and render out.
Web video upload: good settings could be as follows.
H.264 Profile High, Level 3.2, 1080p at your framerate, Widescreen (16:9) Progressive, VBR 1 Pass Target 4.0kbps Max 6.0Mbs , square pixels (1:1), Render at Max Depth Checked, Use Maximum Render Quality Checked, Keyframe 1 frame, Audio: AAC 44.1kHz 64 kbps Stereo.
https://vimeo.com/88385565
hey,
the mac version of raw2dng appears a lot more sophisticated. it creates a folder with dng files as well as a video file (that gives a rough idea of footage) - why not the case with windows - no video file and just dumpes the individual dngs in the main folder?
Dennis
Hi,
I would like to know if we loose quality converting png or tif images in an avi file.
Thank you
I have my one respond:''The beauty of this process is that it is conserving much of the original data contained in the RAW files. If you compress this video to other formats like mpeg1 you will lose all of the great details provided by RAW video recording.''
thank you
When does Davinci Resolve 11 finally come out? Surely that's going to be a major game changer for working with raw?
First I must admit I have NEVER attempted any kind of videography. However, this morning I thought I would try ML RAW video.
I seem to have created a .MLV file successfully.
I have downloaded raw2dng.exe and put the .MLV file in the same folder.
I am on Windows 64.
When I move the .MLV file to the raw2dng.exe the command screen flashes for a fraction of a second and nothing else happens.
Can some kind soul point me in the right direction :-o)
Cheers
Please ignore post above: I have just worked out I hadnt enabled the correct module!!!!
Sorry
Hi,
I got from MLV to dng files thanks to MLVMystic. I used Lightroom to improve the look, temperature, colors and contrast of these files.
I am on a Macbook Air late 2010. DaVinci Resolve 11 Lite complains about GPU which I understand that my graphics card is not powerful enough. I do not have After Effects. VirtualDub is for windows.
Is there another solution to make a video back from the image files on mac? Thanks.
MLRawViewer (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9560.0)
I plan on editing a music video using the Resolve -> Premiere -> Resolve route, but need to add some special effects in After Effects (mostly lighting and some compositing).
...Is this even possible? The only way it seems like it would work is Resolve -> Premiere -> After Effects, finally replacing the proxies with the DNG files in AE, but so far none of the edits are coming out right when i test this. I figure I can at least do the tracking for the lighting/composites on the proxies and then do color tweaking on top of the raws without needing to view it in real time. Going back to Resolve isn't an option, right? Because Resolve will color grade my lighting effects and everything as well? Or just straight up get rid of them?
Hi
just to say that I have just read your article and it will hopefully go a long way to solving all my problems in processing video taken with my 550D.
Regards
Tim
QuoteOnce you have your DNG sequence:
- convert to video. Not only for editing but also to playback and catalog your clips.
Why not doing the editing from DNG sequences? Converting (transcoding) RAW to video for editing takes a lot of time and a log curve is to be choosen. Mlrawviewer can convert RAW footage (5 mins) into DNG sequences in a flash.
I am on Resolve and it can handle DNG sequences just fine. I assume other softwares can do that just as fine.
I don't see what makes ProRes 444 (S-log) better then DNG sequences for editing.
Do you know that you can now place the RAW video straight to adobe première and after effects with conversion.
drastic mediareactor does this magic.
Why pay for a plugin, Just use MLVFS "Cdng convertor on the Fly" import in to Premiere Pro, A.E., Resolve in fact any App.
This can be done straight of the CF Card or locally off SSD/Harddrive with better debayering plus it's Free & Supported here on the forum if problem arise .
Hi,
I am just a beginner with ML, so sorry if this is a stupid question. I am looking for a simple workflow preserving as much quality as possible with freeware soft. I am wondering why nobody mentions Canon DPP software for adjusting raw files instead of exporting to DNG or CDNG and then adjusting?
Quote from: Grzegorz on April 22, 2015, 10:23:48 PM
I am wondering why nobody mentions Canon DPP software for adjusting raw files instead of exporting to DNG or CDNG and then adjusting?
This is about RAW VIDEO files ( thread title ) that ML records in .MLV/.RAW files and not about RAW PHOTOS in .CR2/DNG.
Using only the default Canon firmware yields only compressed H.264 MOV files not RAW video ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cameras_supporting_a_raw_format#Video_cameras )
There is plenty of free software that is way better than Canon DPP, that can read/edit/develop DNG files.
Thank you guys for your fast response :)
@Licaon_Kter:
Ok, sorry for the confusion, I meant raw video editing. So if I understand correctly, recording raw video with Canon 50D does NOT produce a sequence of raw images, but a single file (or several files, as I read that sometimes you have to join them), from which raw images have to be extracted for processing?
Can't check it myself now, because I am still waiting for a fast card to arrive...
@dmilligan:
Which better than DPP free soft would you suggest?
I have Win 7 64 bit, Intel i5-3570K, 8GB RAM, no GPU (Intel HD Graphkics 4000 integrated in CPU) - Resolve will not work, because HD 4000 is not compatible :(
I tried VirtualDub and I am not impressed with color correction plug-ins I found, not to mention that most of them work only with 32 bit version of VD.
The only paid soft I have is Adobe Elements 6 with the latest COMPATIBLE ACR plug-in. I like it, but it seems that ACR allows only up to 200 raw files to load at the same time, so I can perform batch processing only on 200 :(
rawtherapee (http://www.rawtherapee.com/), darktable (http://www.darktable.org/), or ufraw (http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/) (which can be used with gimp (http://www.gimp.org/))
For raw video there are many programs to convert from ML's custom formats to something useable. Many converters just convert to DNG, a few, however, will convert directly to some common video format like ProRes. See the sticky threads here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=54.0
Thanks a lot! :)
After a short session of googling, I think I'll go with rawtherapee - no time to try them all. I did look at the threads suggested over the last couple of days, so much usefull information there, but it is a little bit confusing for a newbie. I hope every time I re-read them, I will understand some more.
One more request, if I may (though OT in this thread). I am sure I read somewhere in the forum about a good practise to format CF card in a particular way to help the write speed and avoid stopping recording/dropped frames. Unfortunately, now that my card arrived I am not able to find it ::) . Would someone please direct me to the right thread?
I've read about formatting the compact flash as exFat on the PC instead of fat32. This way files won't be broken into 4gb chunks.
Hello again :) !
I have spent more or less 30 - 40 hours shooting and processing video with 50D, mostly raw and thanks to your advise I am quite impressed with the results. My current simple and free workflow is: .mlv->raw2cdng.1.6.5.->RawTherapee 4.2.147->VirtualDub32bit->.avi
I would appreciate your advise on the following:
1. For upresing to full HD I use RawTherapee (Lanczos). I can't say I am unhappy with the results, but I wonder if there is a better and free way of doing so?
2. What do you use to view .avi files? I noticed that Windows Media Player shows warmer colors as compared to the original raw files and it also seems that color depth is inferior. Winamp on the other hand seems to show the right colors, as far as I can tell. Any suggestions?
VLC Player to play almost any video file.