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Using Magic Lantern => Raw Video => Topic started by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 09:27:26 PM

Title: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Hi all 60D users :)

I prepared special version of autoexec.bin like 550D user mk11174 and RAW video works now on 60D :) This ML version has only few options enabled. I've got no skills to fix 60D's boot problems with full ML package with modules and tcc enabled so I removed everything except ability to record raw videos and load modules.

So..

- install latest Magic Lantern nightly build and check whether ML is working

We can record videos with max resolution set to 1734x976 (16:9).

You should to remenber that:
- Max LiveView RAW in 60D is 1734x1156
- Camera can write max 20MB/s, full HD needs 90-100MB/s
- There is no special RAW_REC module for 60D, it's the same file like for 5D, 550D, 6D etc.


TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 24, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
SOME HELP FOR BEGINNERS

INSTALLING ML RAW

READ THIS THREAD: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

or,

You've got ML already on your camera/SD card - good.
Now all you need to do is download the nightly build & then copy what you find onto your SD card (you'll be replacing old ML stuff, but don't worry).
Put your SD back into your camera & you should now find a Modules section in ML menu.
Turn on/activate what you want from that menu (the RAW_Rec or RAW_MLV modules are there & other goodies) & then restart your camera.
Go to video section in ML menu & turn on RAW rec.

Just a little note, the 60D is serverely hampered & will not do continuous RAW recording - faster cards will not help, its the card slot (21mbs max).
In the Canon Menu turn the picture quality to S3 (JPEG) only - you'll be able to record for longer.
When recording turn Global Draw off - again helps recording.
I use 1280x... crop modes - they upscale nicely to HD & give adequate recording times.
Also, the wider the aspect ratio setting the longer the recording time.

NOISE & ETTR:
Ok, so the noise issue is because you aren't following the ETTR rule - more light=better detail & less noise.
Here's a video i made to demonstrate exactly why you should be following ETTR:
Use the Raw Zebras & a good reading should be about -0.4ev (you're nearly or just a bit overexposing).
I tend to use a higher ISO (400/800) & an ND filter, but if you make sure that you're exposing [enough] to the right (ETTR) & have good light then most ISOs should be fine.
Just remember that this is RAW & you'll have to do post work - you can recover everything!
Read This: http://schewephoto.com/ETTR/


BAD/HOT PIXELS:
Here's a link to Marrek's build that gets rid of the bad pixels (you need to turn on LV_AF_Raw in the Raw Video menu).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Here's a link to an earlier version (can't remember which one works best - think the one above has Dual ISO as well & some other stuff):
Obsolete link removed - Please use the official nightly builds //Audionut

It works & is the only workaround for the 60D ATM.

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.

And finally, if you want really high res bursts (i.e. higher than 1728x...) you can achieve this by doing the following:
Press x5 zoom button (remember to turn off Global raw first & set Frames Per Second Override!)
Press ML Menu button
Goto Raw Video Menu & you'll notice that you can go further on the Resolution scale (max 2512x...., but i use 2240x.... to be safe).
Exit ML Menu
DO NOT EXIT x5 zoom mode
Press record & you should be able to get about 73frames.

Its not perfect, but once you find a higher resolution that works well it can add to your videos.

Good Luck! 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 09:49:35 PM
I've just unpacked raw file with raw2dng and it really works ! :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on May 24, 2013, 09:56:28 PM
Wow thank you. Thought it would never happen.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: riccardougo on May 24, 2013, 10:53:28 PM
I try to install your firmware but I have the bad message "Script dir missing"
What I did wrong?
I put the autoexec.bin on my main directory of the SD card and the 3 other files i the ML directory.
I start the 60D in M position to update the ML firmware... After the green screen I turn it off and set it to movie mode... but the bed message appears and the ML firmware doesn't work.  :-\
Can you help me with deep instruction please?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: riccardougo on May 24, 2013, 10:56:05 PM
...i forget...
When I download your "magic.sys" file my Mac convert it in a "magic.sys.txt" file and I forced to change it back to "magic.sys" only
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 11:02:16 PM
...i forget...
When I download your "magic.sys" file my Mac convert it in a "magic.sys.txt" file and I forced to change it back to "magic.sys" only

magic.sym

... and now it works ?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: riccardougo on May 24, 2013, 11:13:29 PM
No it doesn't! :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 11:24:26 PM
Pls use full ML package from this link:

Obsolete link removed //Audionut

you probably installed ML stable release and some files are missing.


No it doesn't! :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kslau8 on May 24, 2013, 11:26:21 PM
I've got it to work!!!

I'll be shooting some tests but so far I've been getting 300+ frames on 720p. I'm going to convert and post them soon.

GREAT WORK MAREKK!!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 11:35:10 PM
wow good result !
what kind of sd card do you have ?

I've got it to work!!!

I'll be shooting some tests but so far I've been getting 300+ frames on 720p. I'm going to convert and post them soon.

GREAT WORK MAREKK!!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 24, 2013, 11:48:03 PM
I've got it to work!!!

I'll be shooting some tests but so far I've been getting 300+ frames on 720p. I'm going to convert and post them soon.

GREAT WORK MAREKK!!!!
  How does the images compare in quality from the 6D, Mark II great news.  Gonna be trying it out later today
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 24, 2013, 11:49:32 PM
Great work marekk will be trying it later on today..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
I enabled more features of ML and 60D boots without issues. Please let me now if it works on your cameras.
Obsolete link removed //Audionut
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 25, 2013, 12:03:19 AM
The most i've got is
1230 frames @ 944x624
710 frames @ 944x704

Do we just need to replace the Autoexec.bin file.

Thanks again for doing this Marekk
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: riccardougo on May 25, 2013, 12:03:37 AM
Pls use full ML package from this link:


you probably installed ML stable release and some files are missing.

I try with different combinations, but I can't success.
With those files the ML firmware doesn't work.

Waiting for a solution to try.

I question: RAW means what? The camera record video with RAW pictures in stead of JPEG?
How can I after use the clips in post production?
Can I make better "color grading" only? With which software?
FCPX manage it?

Thank you.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
Do we just need to replace the Autoexec.bin file.

... and magic.sym in modules folder.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on May 25, 2013, 12:07:59 AM
anyone having trouble with the extracted DNG's? I get unexpected end of file errors when trying to open them...

marekk, thank you!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:15:14 AM
I've just extracted 1280x544 RAW file on mac using this tool and I can open DNG files without problems:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0

anyone having trouble with the extracted DNG's? I get unexpected end of file errors when trying to open them...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 25, 2013, 12:15:28 AM
Thank you SO MUCH Marekk! I feared the 60D was forgotten!!! I will test this weekend!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on May 25, 2013, 12:19:00 AM
I've just extracted 1280x544 RAW file on mac using this tool and I can open DNG files without problems:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0

I am using the raw2dng for windows...I hope that's not the issue. Anyone else using windows? I'm so close.

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:20:53 AM
pls send me one of your dng files

I am using the raw2dng for windows...I hope that's not the issue. Anyone else using windows? I'm so close.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: riccardougo on May 25, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
OK, i fix it, ML is working now 8), but I can not find the "VIDEO RAW" option in any menu page, only in picture menu... ???
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on May 25, 2013, 12:29:08 AM
pls send me one of your dng files

let me know if this works; I can see it when I upload it to google drive oddly enough, and it looks rather pink...

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3_TdSG8rshkRFBRMXZzWjRsTmM/edit?usp=sharing

thanks again!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: seanturco on May 25, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
Canon 60D + lexar 400X 32Go. Quality image set to JPG.

Resolution  : 960 x 384
Frames      : 915
-----------------------------
Resolution  : 1280 x 512
Frames      : 320
-----------------------------
Resolution  : 1280 x 608
Frames      : 273

I sold my 60d tomorow. hope really to find raw_rec for the 7D :(
Everythink looks ok on ACR
Update : no, on after effects, I see a lot of magenta frames.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dayvboy on May 25, 2013, 12:43:28 AM
will this help the 60d capture raw video ?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824149-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_064G_A75_Extreme_Pro_64GB_SDHC_SDXC.html
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:48:11 AM
file is damaged... could you shoot a very small movie and send me a raw file ?

let me know if this works; I can see it when I upload it to google drive oddly enough, and it looks rather pink...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on May 25, 2013, 01:17:05 AM
Ok - something is better - I thought to reload the last nightly and then reload your updates; no pink frames at 720p! I recorded 47 frames as a test and it worked. I have to see what happens when I let it run out and then try at max res, but I think I am on my way.

This feels like a stupid question, but do the canon video settings matter in this case or does ML completely override them?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Swithdrawn on May 25, 2013, 01:57:33 AM
Very exciting! My stats all with Sandisk Extreme Pro 95/mb 32gb:

944x524: 1290 Frames(!!!!)
1264x704: 166 Frames
1716x960: 68 Frames

I can't seem to open the DNG's from the 1716x960 ones though, Camera Raw says "file-format module cannot parse the file" but only for 1716x960.

Has anyone tried the "HaCKeD mode" option?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paul Abrahams on May 25, 2013, 02:46:34 AM
I enabled more features of ML and 60D boots without issues. Please let me now if it works on your cameras.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRFdwWGVaeThYelE/edit?usp=sharing

Is this file loaded onto a blank card?


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 25, 2013, 03:30:57 AM
Think this will work with fps override?  That would be very useful for timelapse photographers not wanting ti eat their shutter count.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kslau8 on May 25, 2013, 04:52:47 AM
UPDATE:

I use a transcend 32 gb Class 10 card.

I got 1920x640 for 185 frames, 1280x640 @ 375 frames and those imported without a problem. Videos play fine and the 1280x640 looks pretty good scaled up to 1920x1080.

I do have problems with other resolutions. 
When I shoot at Resolution  : 1734 x 726 I can get 173 frames.  The problem comes after converting to the DNG using the osx version of RAW2DNG.  I can't import them in any of my Camera Raw programs (After Effects, Lightroom, Bridge) they all say "the file format module could not parse the file. (45 :: 35)"

Do I need to use the most updated version of raw2dng?  I have an older version of it from a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jflagarde on May 25, 2013, 04:57:06 AM
Sooo great! Thank you for developping and sharing this!

I did a few tests:
Sandisk Extreme Pro 95/mb 64gb
2011 frames @ 960x540 @ 25fps
188 frames @ 1280x720 @ 25fps

I did try the "hacked mode" but it didn't really improved the results at 1280x720.

I used the raw2dng from https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads/RAw2dng.exe and opened the files in Lightroom just to check them. The first 16 frames were marked "broken". The rest were ok.

My camera did froze a couple of time on some tests though. I removed the battery and started it again.

Thanks again for your great work!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 25, 2013, 05:18:19 AM
Sandisk Extreme  45mb/s 16G

187 frames @ 1280x720 @ 23.976 fps

When I tried 1 step lower resolution it started recording and like its weird live view turned off after like 2000 frames

EDIT:  To keep it from going out of live view ever few second I half pressed the shutter button so I was able to have it go to completion

4459 frames 960x540 @23.976 fps

Next I plan on testing with fps override for time lapse test...  Is there a way to keep it from quitting when live view ends?


I think the limit we are hitting is the actual 60D hardware.  Seems it says its transferring at around 20mb/s  when the card is at 45mb/s  because if you look at jflagarde's findings they were the exact same at 1280x720 between the 95/mb and the 45/mb cards. 
Title: NOT WORKING!
Post by: NickRamey on May 25, 2013, 06:12:34 AM
Hi all 60D users :)

I prepared special version of autoexec.bin like 550D user mk11174 and RAW video works now on 60D :) This ML version has only few options enabled. I've got no skills to fix 60D's boot problems with full ML package with modules and tcc enabled so I removed everything except ability to record raw videos and load modules.

So..
1. please download this zip file.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgY1J4b1MyLUxzMFU/edit?usp=sharing
2. put autoexec.bin on your sd card and modules directory in ML folded on sd card.
3. start 60D
4. go to ML
5. go to M tab
6. run "load modules now"
7. go to movie tab
8. enable "raw video"
9. have fun :)

I haven't tested raw2dng yet.

We can record videos with max resolution set to 1734x976 (16:9).

My quick tests (Sandisk Ultra 30MB/s 64GB but it writes ~11MB/s)
1734x976 - 60 frames
1280x720 - 127 frames
1280x544 - 199 frames
960x540 - 377 frames

PLEASE SHARE YOUR RESULTS WITH SD CARD NAME... This will help us choose the best cards for raw video recording on 60D.

marekk

UPDATE:
I enabled more features of ML and 60D boots without issues. Please let me now if it works on your cameras.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRFdwWGVaeThYelE/edit?usp=sharing

I am so confised on this package! I have all of your files on my formatted card and my camera says "Memory card containing firmware is required to update". This as if it sees no firmware, do I need to download the firmware from ML too? Please help, I wan this hack so badly!
Title: Re: NOT WORKING!
Post by: bhursey on May 25, 2013, 06:28:44 AM
I am so confised on this package! I have all of your files on my formatted card and my camera says "Memory card containing firmware is required to update". This as if it sees no firmware, do I need to download the firmware from ML too? Please help, I wan this hack so badly!

1. First of all installed the GA 2.3 of ML per the normal install method..
2. Boot the camera make sure that magic lanturn GA is working fine on that card.
3. Download the following and copy over the contents of the GA release of ML in your card.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/u305oejjhm130k0/60d_raw_full.zip
4. Follow the instructions that was listed at the beginning of the post.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 25, 2013, 06:59:19 AM
The main thing now I want to know is why is the camera turning off mid recording with this..  If I do not force it to stay awake by constantly half pressing the shutter button it will turn off live views and flip the mirror down turning off the camera tell I half press the shutter again. When I do that the mirror flips back up and live view pops up but the recording has stopped.  I really want to use this with fps over ride and it seems it will work well however. The camera will not stay awake long enough.  With normal ML I am able to set fps over ride and it will keep recording for 30min+ doing time lapses like the following. 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 25, 2013, 07:17:33 AM
UPDATE:

I use a transcend 32 gb Class 10 card.

I got 1920x640 for 185 frames, 1280x640 @ 375 frames and those imported without a problem. Videos play fine and the 1280x640 looks pretty good scaled up to 1920x1080.

I do have problems with other resolutions. 
When I shoot at Resolution  : 1734 x 726 I can get 173 frames.  The problem comes after converting to the DNG using the osx version of RAW2DNG.  I can't import them in any of my Camera Raw programs (After Effects, Lightroom, Bridge) they all say "the file format module could not parse the file. (45 :: 35)"

Do I need to use the most updated version of raw2dng?  I have an older version of it from a few weeks ago.

1920x640 for 185 frames!!! (7.7 seconds) Great scott! Do you have any trouble opening these?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on May 25, 2013, 07:39:26 AM
how do you get 1920?

does anyone else get a frozen live view while recording?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CharlieA56 on May 25, 2013, 07:44:01 AM
First of all I want the thank the team for such an amazing development... as the owner of a T2i, 60D and 6D and user of Magic Lantern for the past 18 months I can only say that you changed the way I look at video production in the most positive way...

I just made my first test of the RAW video recording on my 60D and I'm here to do my part...
... at 1280x720 23,9fps, it recorded 167 frames in a Transcend 16Gb Class 10 until buffer filled... the image is just gorgeous.

Anything I can do to help testing... just let me know.

Thanx
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 09:05:04 AM
You should to use Silent Picture (DNG) feature with intervalomenter for timelapses. Pls download latest nigthly and try it.

The main thing now I want to know is why is the camera turning off mid recording with this..  If I do not force it to stay awake by constantly half pressing the shutter button it will turn off live views and flip the mirror down turning off the camera tell I half press the shutter again. When I do that the mirror flips back up and live view pops up but the recording has stopped.  I really want to use this with fps over ride and it seems it will work well however. The camera will not stay awake long enough.  With normal ML I am able to set fps over ride and it will keep recording for 30min+ doing time lapses like the following. 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 09:06:40 AM
Try to disable all powersaving features like turning off lcd screen.

When I tried 1 step lower resolution it started recording and like its weird live view turned off after like 2000 frames

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 25, 2013, 09:10:23 AM
Oh my god....the quality difference between 1720 x 960p video and the in-camera 1080p H264 is jaw dropping!!! Yes right now I can only record around 2-3 seconds but hopefully in the future we can find a way to get more. I will experiment with other settings but OH MAN!!!!

AMAZING!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: leojames on May 25, 2013, 09:12:24 AM
i am using a San Disk 8GB 95mb and getting real bad frame skipping and after i only record 177 frames the buffer fills up so fast

my settings 1720x968
ratio 16:9
sRAW
FPS override 24.00

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 09:14:18 AM
I will check it today but after tests of Silent Picture DNG feature we know there are two versions of 60D with different memory size. (at least two)

I can't seem to open the DNG's from the 1716x960 ones though, Camera Raw says "file-format module cannot parse the file" but only for 1716x960.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 09:18:27 AM
You should to test 720p and lower resolutions. SD card interface in 60D is not fast enough for 1080p and it writes max ~10-20MB/s

i am using a San Disk 8GB 95mb and getting real bad frame skipping and after i only record 177 frames the buffer fills up so fast

my settings 1720x968
ratio 16:9
sRAW
FPS override 24.00
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 09:20:02 AM
Could you share sample DNG file ? How did you get 1920 ?

1920x640 for 185 frames!!! (7.7 seconds) Great scott! Do you have any trouble opening these?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: leojames on May 25, 2013, 09:31:26 AM
You should to test 720p and lower resolutions. SD card interface in 60D is not fast enough for 1080p and it writes max ~10-20MB/s

Thanks i will try that 720p and get back.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 09:34:18 AM
Set movie mode in standard Canon menu to 1080p, then 720p or lower in ML movie raw options.

Thanks i will try that 720p and get back.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: seanturco on May 25, 2013, 09:34:54 AM
Resolution  : 960 x 228
Frames      : 2333

But I think it was continuous because I stopped the record.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 25, 2013, 10:02:12 AM
My results from tonight's test:

60D from 2011. Nightly Build. Transcend Class 10 card.

I am getting 1720x968p for 2.66 seconds. (occasionally some test files will not open in after effects (after raw2dng). Most have.
I am getting 1600x900p for 3.12 seconds. (Note: no real aliasing found on 1600x900p. I may use this mode more if tests prove this. Still WAAAY more resolution that the H264 1080p in camera file.

1720x968 is very close to 1080p quality but there is a lot of aliasing. 1600x900p seems to be more stable. I will shoot some home movie tests tomorrow.

HUGE HUGE improvement over in-camera quality. Hopefully they can find ways to keep improving. I'm off to bed. I'll shoot more tests tomorrow.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JamesPemberton on May 25, 2013, 11:33:35 AM
OK so I've been messing about with this today this is what I got.

Sandisk Extreme 16GB Class 10 45 MB/s writes at 20.1/20.9 MB/s

1734x976 - 23.976 FPS - 91 Frames proximately 3.7 seconds @ 20.1 MB/s - Ratio 16:9
1280x720 - 23.976 FPS - 227 Frames proximately 9.4 seconds @ 20.7 MB/s - Ratio 16:9
1280x544 - 23.976 FPS - 525 Frames proximately 21.8 seconds @ 20.1 MB/s - Ratio 2.35:1

Highest FPS of three tests of each resolution in a row.

Ran through raw2dng.exe, Imported into Adobe Afte Effects

1734x976 - Couldn't parse file into AE
1280x720 - Could parse file into AE
1280x544 - Could parse file into AE

Here's a short video of the 1280x544 RAW at work just so you know it works, kangaroo plant. Interesting subject I tell you ;).


So yeah, exciting stuff, we'll see if this goes any where.

Awesome work :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 11:49:24 AM
James, could you run normal nightly build, go to 1080p movie mode and run silent burst ? I would like to see size of your memory..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cobyalon on May 25, 2013, 12:14:28 PM
hi there, i have a question..

when you rendering your raw in AE you compress the video to h.264? or something else?

thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JamesPemberton on May 25, 2013, 12:20:06 PM
James, could you run normal nightly build, go to 1080p movie mode and run silent burst ? I would like to see size of your memory..

Can do, think I've done it correctly (first time doing this) I got 52 Images at 1734x1156 before it stopped. If you need any more info just let me know and with a little guidance I can do it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JamesPemberton on May 25, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
hi there, i have a question..

when you rendering your raw in AE you compress the video to h.264? or something else?

thanks

Yeah just H.264 with a VBR of 10, I just shot the RAW into AE then out to H.264 and straight onto Youtube.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:36:14 PM
Thanks !

It looks like your sd card is much faster than my sandisk ultra 64GB.. I've got only 199 frames on 1280x544.


Can do, think I've done it correctly (first time doing this) I got 52 Images at 1734x1156 before it stopped. If you need any more info just let me know and with a little guidance I can do it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JamesPemberton on May 25, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Glad I could be of help!

Got them for about $25 ea from eBay if my memory serves me correctly, SD cards seem to be very unruly in terms of read and write speeds. Would having a smaller card size have anything to do with it? Just out of curiosity.

Thanks !

It looks like your sd card is much faster than my sandisk ultra 64GB.. I've got only 199 frames on 1280x544.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 25, 2013, 12:54:00 PM
So this is what i'm getting - i kept everything the same from last night.
Recorded @ 1080p using 3:2 (for Anamorphic testing):

1734x1156=95(94) frames
1720x1146=95(94)
1600x1066=113(112)
1440x960=160
1320x880=212
1280x854=226
960x640=1140
720x480=It kept going & i stopped recording @2741.

For each recording it said that it dropped/skipped 1 Frame.

Everything unpacked nicely last night, so don't see any problems for today.
Will post footage later.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:59:07 PM
What type of sd card are you using ?

So this is what i'm getting - i kept everything the same from last night.
Recorded @ 1080p using 3:2 (for Anamorphic testing):

1734x1156=95 frames
1720x1146=95
1600x1066=113
1440x960=160
1320x880=212
1280x854=226
960x640=1140
720x480=It kept going & i stopped recording.

For each recording it said that it dropped/skipped 1 Frame.
And when unpacking with Raw2DNG it also skips another frame (so subtract 1 from numbers above).

Everything unpacked nicely last night, so don't see any problems for today.
Will post footage later.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 01:01:16 PM
I think so..

Would having a smaller card size have anything to do with it? Just out of curiosity.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 25, 2013, 01:04:11 PM
I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 8GB SDHC 1 45MB/s (the new ones are 95MB/s i think).

I'll also try with some of my Transcend 16GB SDHC class 10 cards to see if there's a difference.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 25, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
Can't unpack the 1734x1156 frames - but this wasn't a surprise as in the ML RAW menu it actually stated that it was @1880x?

WARNING!
My camera just bricked!
Luckily, i had another card with a stable version of ML on it & that brought it back to life.

Make sure that you have a spare card with a stable version of ML on it just in case!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 01:31:27 PM
change to 1720 or 1600 and it works.

1734x976 - Couldn't parse file into AE
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
Are you using first version of autoexec.bin or second (with more features enabled) ?

WARNING!
My camera just bricked!
Luckily, i had another card with a stable version of ML on it & that brought it back to life.
Make sure that you have a spare card with a stable version of ML on it just in case!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 25, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
The second, but all is fine now - for the moment.

I came back from downloading the files off the SD card, put it back in & nothing.
I changed the battery & nothing.
I changed the SD card with a stable version of ML & it went back to normal.
Put the RAW record card back in & no problems so far.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 25, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
You should to use Silent Picture (DNG) feature with intervalomenter for timelapses. Pls download latest nigthly and try it.

What resolution could you get from this?? Also. I guess since its dng it would be raw correct?  Since i need a niggtly build i take it dng is new... I remember reading that fps overide was recomended over silent picture in 2.3.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cobyalon on May 25, 2013, 02:15:53 PM
i've been trying this a lil bit and i got:

1280x544 - 481 frames @ 23.976fps
1440x810 - 196 frames @23.976fps
1280x720 - 287 frames @23.976fps

all files parsed into AE.
im using a 32GB Delkin Devices class 10 card

good work guys, this is amazing, what a great quality ... i'll post the footage soon 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: martareis on May 25, 2013, 03:39:29 PM
dng. files corrupted could you please confirm which autoexec.bin version are you guys running?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: NickRamey on May 25, 2013, 03:42:36 PM
Hi all 60D users :)

I prepared special version of autoexec.bin like 550D user mk11174 and RAW video works now on 60D :) This ML version has only few options enabled. I've got no skills to fix 60D's boot problems with full ML package with modules and tcc enabled so I removed everything except ability to record raw videos and load modules.

So..

- install latest Magic Lantern nightly build and check whether ML is working.

then
1. please download this zip file.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgY1J4b1MyLUxzMFU/edit?usp=sharing
2. put autoexec.bin on your sd card and modules directory in ML folded on sd card.
3. start 60D
4. go to ML
5. go to M tab
6. run "load modules now"
7. go to movie tab
8. enable "raw video"
9. have fun :)

How do I get to the M tab? I'm in the Magic lantern menu (When I press the trash icon)_ But where is the M tab?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on May 25, 2013, 05:25:26 PM
MareKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU.  I'm surprised this thread isn't 100 pages already. What happened to all those "what about us 60D owners"

1280X720 OLD 16gb Panasonic class 10 sd card
267 frames
raw2dng YES
After effects YES
Quality and 'Gradeability' OUTSTANDING

using the second .bin no pink frames

We may never get more than 8secs because of the sd bottleneck.  But thanks for that!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: martareis on May 25, 2013, 06:55:00 PM
60D + SD Card 32GB ULTIMAPRO SDHC 40MB/s (writes 17MB/s reads 44MB/s)

My stats using 60D_raw_version2.zip

960x540: 918 Frames
1280x720: 268 Frames
1440xx810: 180Frames
1734x976: 114 Frames

Always skipping 1 Frame at recording.

Interference with live view display using x5 digital zoom

raw2dng unpacking properly

Pink Frames  (Tint value = +67)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/VRAM3.BMP

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/BENCH.LOG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/CRASH00.LOG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/000000.dng


Anything I could do to help testing... just let me know.

Thx

PS: How can I attach a .BMP file or a screen shot of my benchmarks? 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 25, 2013, 07:22:49 PM
60D + SanDisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95MB/s

960 x 540    2011 frames   FPS 25  @20,1 MB/s  16:9
1280 x 720  187 frames     FPS 25  @20,1 MB/s  16:9
1720 x 860  several tests, all exactly    76 frames   FPS 25 @ 19,7~20,6 MB/s  2:1
1734 x 976  several tests, most times  69 frames   FPS 25 @ 19,1~20,3 MB/s  16:9

ML and raw2dng beta ver.0.5 always complaining: Frame skip 1

DNG's can be opened in PhotoShop CS6, no corruption!

P.S. Changing RAW Photomode into S3 (JPEG) gives following result!:
960 x 540    3775 frames   FPS 25  @20,2 MB/s  16:9

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: qbeck on May 25, 2013, 10:03:35 PM
60D + SD Card 32GB ULTIMAPRO SDHC 40MB/s (writes 17MB/s reads 44MB/s)

My stats using 60D_raw_version2.zip

960x540: 918 Frames
1280x720: 268 Frames
1440xx810: 180Frames
1734x976: 114 Frames

Always skipping 1 Frame at recording.

Interference with live view display using x5 digital zoom

raw2dng unpacking properly

Pink Frames  (Tint value = +67)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/VRAM3.BMP

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/BENCH.LOG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/CRASH00.LOG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64265222/000000.dng


Anything I could do to help testing... just let me know.

Thx

PS: How can I attach a .BMP file or a screen shot of my benchmarks?

same exact as you, except that after i use raw2dng my frames are unusable.  I get

"could not complete your request because an unexpected end-of-file was encountered" in PS

edit: i can actually get 960x540 shots in
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CFP on May 25, 2013, 10:06:56 PM
I have a question: How big is the 60D's buffer? Could anybody please tell me? :)

(You can find it in "Debug" menu: "Free Memory" -> Hit "Q" -> "shoot_malloc total" is what you're looking for)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 25, 2013, 10:15:06 PM
No "Free Memory" entry in the 60D Debug menu!

Screenshot
Burn-in tests
Benchmarks
Show CPU usage
Show EDMAC
Battey Level

Card R/W benchmark ML reports buf=2048K
Card Buffer Benchmark, best with 12848 ~ 27990K @ 20,8MB/s
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CFP on May 25, 2013, 10:20:39 PM
No "Free Memory" in the menu!
Really? Strange. I thought it would look like on the 600D ...

The buffer size during of the R/W benchmark is not what I'm looking for.

I'm just curious how much better the 60D is than my 600D (Which has 96 Megabyte shoot_malloc).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Swithdrawn on May 25, 2013, 10:23:54 PM
I rebuilt from the latest nightly and some more tests. Again with SanDisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95/mb.

944x524 | 4604 Frames
1280x720 | 187 Frames
1720x860 | 88 Frames
1720x968 | 68 Frames

Anything above 1720x968 and I get parsing errors in Camera Raw CS6. But the files are not empty.. (3.5mb) so I'm not sure why it's doing that?

I have a question: How big is the 60D's buffer? Could anybody please tell me? :)

(You can find it in "Debug" menu: "Free Memory" -> Hit "Q" -> "shoot_malloc total" is what you're looking for)

The menu exists for me, my shoot_malloc total says 180 M.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Skorpio89 on May 25, 2013, 10:43:32 PM
my first attempt...


the h.264 is 1080p... the raw is 960x540....

do I notice some moire on the t-shirt?

anyway.. it seams that at half resolution you have more detail ;-)...

in the next day i will do more test to the alps ;-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CFP on May 25, 2013, 10:46:46 PM
The menu exists for me, my shoot_malloc total says 180 M.
Cool, thank you very much :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: martareis on May 25, 2013, 11:33:10 PM
Quote
same exact as you, except that after i use raw2dng my frames are unusable.  I get

"could not complete your request because an unexpected end-of-file was encountered" in PS

edit: i can actually get 960x540 shots in

qbeck I had the same problem before. Erase ML from your SD card download the 60D_raw_version2.zip (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRFdwWGVaeThYelE/edit (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRFdwWGVaeThYelE/edit)) and past it in your card. It worked for me.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: qbeck on May 25, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
qbeck I had the same problem before. Erase ML from your SD card download the 60D_raw_version2.zip (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRFdwWGVaeThYelE/edit (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRFdwWGVaeThYelE/edit)) and past it in your card. It worked for me.

tried that before but it didn't work  :-\

but its fine because I can consistently get 960 in.  Thanks so much marekk.  Until there is somehow a way to get higher resolutions, I'm pretty much set.  It upscales nice enough where I can use this for probably wide establishing shots and chroma keying
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vroem on May 25, 2013, 11:52:37 PM
Changing picture quality in the canon menu from RAW to JPEG (L/M/S) will give you a bigger shoot_malloc buffer. 276MB instead of 180MB.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Swithdrawn on May 26, 2013, 01:50:42 AM
Changing picture quality in the canon menu from RAW to JPEG (L/M/S) will give you a bigger shoot_malloc buffer. 276MB instead of 180MB.

Nice, thanks. That helped significantly. Now I'm getting 326 frames at 720p compared to 187 before.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 26, 2013, 02:05:01 AM
Changing picture quality in the canon menu from RAW to JPEG (L/M/S) will give you a bigger shoot_malloc buffer. 276MB instead of 180MB.
Thats awsome just tried it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jamesstringer on May 26, 2013, 03:48:57 AM
Getting Aliasing at 1600x900.

Here is a video of it...

SD Card Sandisk Extreme 30MB/s

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 26, 2013, 04:03:14 AM
Changing picture quality in the canon menu from RAW to JPEG (L/M/S) will give you a bigger shoot_malloc buffer. 276MB instead of 180MB.
'

Thank you VROEM, I am now getting 134 frames at 1600x900 where before I was getting something closer to 86. THANK YOU!

@ jamesstringer: Strange. I was getting really bad aliasing at 1720x968 but i don't see almost any aliasing so far at 1600x900.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JamesPemberton on May 26, 2013, 05:11:05 AM
Ok here's some more experimentation,

Sandisk Extreme 16GB Class 10 45 MB/s writes at 20.1/20.9 MB/s

New Test

1280x720 - 23.976 - 340 Frames approximately 14.1 seconds @ 20.1 MB/s - Ratio 16:9
1280x544 - 23.976 - 710 Frames approximately 29.6 seconds @ 20.1 MB/s - Ratio 2.35:1

Last Test

1280x720 - 23.976 FPS - 227 Frames proximately 9.4 seconds @ 20.7 MB/s - Ratio 16:9
1280x544 - 23.976 FPS - 525 Frames proximately 21.8 seconds @ 20.1 MB/s - Ratio 2.35:1

To get these increases, I went into M mode>First Tab>Quality>Placed RAW marker on the - and then JPEG marker on S2.

I chose S2 first because it's save resolution was 1920x1280 but I'm not sure if that mattered at all since its saving the data from the camera before it hits the encoder (if I'm understanding it correctly).

I also gave S3 a shot but I got pretty much the same results.

Now I did the same process of raw2dng into ae interpreted the footage from 30fps to 23.976 added a simple curves adjustment and 25 points of sharpening and rendered out to H.264 then to youtube and these are the results. (Starring Kangaroo Plants again)

1280x720 -
1280x544 -
I also up scaled them to 1080 just to see what it looked like, I know its only Youtube but for the sake of time.

1280x720 at 1080 -
1280x544 at 1080 -
Pretty cool stuff that you can squeeze those extra frames out by increasing the buffer size, not sure if changing from RAW to JPEG actually produces a difference in image quality. I didn't notice a difference personally.

A record time of almost 30 seconds at 1280x544 is pretty awesome, I mean not many shots go over 30 seconds and you have plenty of edit room, unless you are doing interviews on long events ;P.

Great work guys keep it up :D
 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 26, 2013, 05:49:22 AM
Well I brought it to the park to test out. Here is a short clip at 1280x720 before I learned the buffer hack so it is 6 seconds long. About 188 frames.    Looks like I have to much blue I did very very ver quick raw editing in AE adobe raw
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kslau8 on May 26, 2013, 07:40:37 AM
Here's a brief test of the DNG video.  Shot in 1720x720. 2.39:1 aspect ratio.  I shot in JPEG photo mode, no RAW.  I got about 7 seconds of recording time.   I used a Sandisk Extreme 32 GB (45MB/s) card.  Exported in 1920x1080, small hit in resolution.


I see moire and aliasing and I missed focus here and there.  I did not color correct anything in the image at all, that's why most of it is underexposed and looks crappy.

I did a straight conversion from .RAW to DNG to ProResHQ, edit and export in h264.

There's an immediate improvement in the detail over H264.  I didn't shoot comparisons.  I might later on, but for now, it's definitely an increase in detail.  Also, that increase in bit depth is nice, too. 

When I have some free time, I'll post sample DNGs if anyone wants to download them. 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on May 26, 2013, 08:46:32 AM
so, is it merged to the latest nightly build?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: aace on May 26, 2013, 08:48:02 AM
Can't wait to hear if 1280x600 in 10 bits really is possible, so Cameras with SD cards only can benefit from the latest RAW magic.  :P

I don't know if you all are following but it seems its possible to shoot 12 or 10 bit raw. If this works maybe we'll get full HD on the SD DSLRs.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 26, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
Thanks!!!

Changing picture quality in the canon menu from RAW to JPEG (L/M/S) will give you a bigger shoot_malloc buffer. 276MB instead of 180MB.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 26, 2013, 04:41:13 PM
Has anyone had a situation where it seems that there is a subtle timeshift going on in their raw footage? When I shot several small tests (all at 23.976) the shots of my baby seem to reveal that the footage is actually ever so slightly sped up even though it was shot 23.976, detected as such by raw2dng, the project and export in AE were also all 23.976. I need to shoot more tests but I wonder if anyone had this effect? Here is the example on vimeo (most noticeable in the 2nd shot):
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 26, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Quick test, no fancy post!  ;-)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ReDDtwoCast on May 26, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
Recording RAW video on my 60D works, and using the raw2dng.exe works too (tanks)! But once I import the files as a sequence to After Effects (cs6), I get the message, "module cannot parse the file." Just to make sure I'm doing the process right, I use some sample footage from a RAW video file from a Canon 5D MIII off of Newmann Films Tutorials YouTube page. This worked perfectly. Any ideas?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: qbeck on May 26, 2013, 09:28:26 PM
try a lower res
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 26, 2013, 09:37:24 PM
Max RAW LV resolution is 1736x1156..

Recording RAW video on my 60D works, and using the raw2dng.exe works too (tanks)! But once I import the files as a sequence to After Effects (cs6), I get the message, "module cannot parse the file." Just to make sure I'm doing the process right, I use some sample footage from a RAW video file from a Canon 5D MIII off of Newmann Films Tutorials YouTube page. This worked perfectly. Any ideas?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 26, 2013, 10:01:16 PM
This is a screen from quicktime playing a h264 on top vs 14bit raw at the bottom. You can see both the improvement in dynamic range if you look at the comparison and sharpness.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3695%2F8845026479_5c86bbdf17.jpg&hash=e663f266cd8ac67110ad63bc92ec767c) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bhursey/8845026479/)
Top h.246 bottom ML 14-bit RAW (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bhursey/8845026479/) by Brian Hursey (http://www.flickr.com/people/bhursey/), on Flickr

Full resolution: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/8845026479_72bc47e4d1_o.png (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/8845026479_72bc47e4d1_o.png)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ReDDtwoCast on May 26, 2013, 10:16:38 PM
Max RAW LV resolution is 1736x1156..

Thanks! Would it ever be possible to have a full HD option (including 10 or 12 bit video)?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 26, 2013, 10:28:53 PM
This is awesome, thank you!

Now to find the 550D link so I can do this on both my cameras!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ricardosilva on May 26, 2013, 10:33:58 PM
This is my first try to use Magic Lantern on a Canon 60D as well as the new (in development) RAW capture.
This video shows the RAW capture using 5x magnification on camera.
The capture was stable until I increased the size of capture (while using the 5x magnification), presenting area shake and color artifacts.
Without magnification all sizes seemed to be stable during capturing.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Dae-Su on May 26, 2013, 10:35:43 PM
here is my very short test

and here the raw and h264 files
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7cHQSCv-dz6ZWVFdkJLLVdsYjg&usp=sharing
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 26, 2013, 11:23:47 PM
So from the looks of it, the smaller the resolution the bigger the sensor crop? Is there a way to avoid the crop or at least zoom the screen in? So far 960 width seems to be the only reliable one (ie, longer than 20-30 seconds) which has a very small box in the center.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ReDDtwoCast on May 27, 2013, 12:02:07 AM
here is my very short test

and here the raw and h264 files
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7cHQSCv-dz6ZWVFdkJLLVdsYjg&usp=sharing

Try lowering the highlights, increasing shadows, and adding a little bit more contrast. This allows you to take Advantage of the RAW file.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FUntitled.tiff&hash=e78753cd7372e76dcca5fe1828412d27)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ReDDtwoCast on May 27, 2013, 12:03:38 AM
Mmmmm, how do I insert an image?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 01:29:21 AM
here is my first test - 1280x536, I got about 27 seconds setting it to S2 mode. Upscaled to 1920x804, cropped to 1920x800. I fixed white balance in AE, then exported a ProRes file I did some more color grading to. Then exported to H264 @10mbps.


Oh, and I'm 90% sure I was at ISO 6400
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: B-Hol on May 27, 2013, 01:37:02 AM
Hello.

Fair play to everyone here, developers and testers alike, you're doing a fine job.

Took the plunge and installed the latest software as per marekk's instructions (apart from installing latest nightly build - read in other posts to stick with the stable 2.3 build instead, thought I'd try that first).

I mentioned the 2.3 v's latest nightly as I seem to have an issue with the raw output. I appear to be getting 8 bit dynamic range rather than 14. Certainly, I'm seeing nothing like the range I'd expect from a Canon CR2.

The raws (1440x960 - retrieved approx 165 frames per shot) all saved and converted to dng without issue.
Dng's previewed in PSP x4 Pro perfectly, (aliasing but no pink frames).

I don't have Premiere so I had to go through some hoops to get the dng's into Vegas Pro. Problem is the dng's don't seem to have any more dynamic range than a standard 8 bit image. To test this I converted the dng's using...

Adobe Raw to dng -> Converts our RAW2DNG files to Adobe DNG (This allows the dng's to run in Davinci Resolve)
A freeby program found on Tucows -> Outputs TIFF (only 8bit as it turned out)
Adobe DNG codec (windows) (Loads Dng's directly in Vegas)
PSP X4 to 16bit TIFF
I also converted one of the DNG's to a jpeg so I could compare the 16bit TIFF to an 8 bit file.

No matter what I do, the dng's, 16 bit TIFF's etc all seem to operate as though the files only contain the dynamics of an 8 bit image.
Should add I'm running Vegas in 32bit floating point mode (Just so's you don't all think I'm a knuckle dragger).

So the question is, is there something I need from the ML nightly's to make the RAW's work properly? or is there something wrong with my workflow?

I've also noticed some of the tests people have been running on various cameras also don't really show any more dynamic range than a standard image. Until this point I haven't really thought about it but some others may be getting the same issues without realising.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DaveAbbott on May 27, 2013, 02:03:58 AM
I'm getting 1898 frames with the resolution set to 1280x426 (3:1) @ 25fps on a 16GB San Disk Extreme 45MB/s.

It grades nicely and I've put the footage through PFTrack and can easily get a rock solid 3D camera track (I always struggled with the softer compressed stuff).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on May 27, 2013, 03:36:49 AM
if the DNG created by raw2dng is not read successfully by a program, try using adobe dng converter to the dng files, you can select different version of dng and allowing you to do some kind of compression.

however, I think the version 1.1 is the best to allow other program to open.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Dae-Su on May 27, 2013, 04:42:36 AM
Try lowering the highlights, increasing shadows, and adding a little bit more contrast. This allows you to take Advantage of the RAW file.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FUntitled.tiff&hash=e78753cd7372e76dcca5fe1828412d27)

I left the native files to allow everybody to do it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 27, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
While I haven't done a good side by side comparison to demonstrate dynamic range I can say from my tests that everything seems to be dramatically improved on my clips from roll off, to range to color depth to sharpness. These files are just so organic and lovely compared to the dumbed down h264 rolling off the camera.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 08:12:16 AM
Has anyone else noticed what seems to be pretty high noise? Maybe it's because I'm using ISOs 800 and above and upscaling to 1080p? I haven't tried denoising, and granted the noise isn't as ugly as say h264 noise and artifacting, but it's prevalent.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on May 27, 2013, 08:19:07 AM
saving the RAW in crop mode will make the noise more visible.

when you are working in low light, it is better to record in full resolution, so you don't need a lots of upscaling and making the noise more visible.

or you can perform NR in picture processing workflow.

my workflow is to import all the DNG to silkypix for processing, WB correction, NR processing. output them to jpeg and then put them into a video.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 08:58:46 AM
My tests have all been at 960 by 404 since it's the highest width that allows recording without skipped frames
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: gabezermeno on May 27, 2013, 09:23:06 AM
I went out and tested it today. It seems rough, but I cant wait until more things get worked out. My videos were recorded at 1280x536 and I processed them in lightroom. My friend has a black magic and I would say that the files are better from out 60d! haha.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on May 27, 2013, 10:15:43 AM
I went out and tested it today. It seems rough, but I cant wait until more things get worked out. My videos were recorded at 1280x536 and I processed them in lightroom. My friend has a black magic and I would say that the files are better from out 60d! haha.
Looks like the frame rate is too fast?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 10:36:33 AM
I went out and tested it today. It seems rough, but I cant wait until more things get worked out. My videos were recorded at 1280x536 and I processed them in lightroom. My friend has a black magic and I would say that the files are better from out 60d! haha.

That latitude looks great! I have yet to try mine out in bright conditions. Did your video cut out after a certain time? Also what ISO setting and how did you go about processing in Lightroom?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 10:43:31 AM
Also here is another series of tests. This time with the 960 width resolutions since it's the highest res that allows uninterrupted shooting so far.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
Sorry for the triple post, but has anyone else has a problem with the white balance? It seems like every clip I import into After Effects has a default white balance of 5600 and + magenta tint (30 for the clip im looking at now but I could swear it was like 70 earlier on another).

Also, my default FPS override goes to 24.008 when i pick 24, has anyone else experienced weird stuff like this?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 27, 2013, 12:56:02 PM
I've got also 5600 on all files.
I think you should to ask these question in this thread:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.0

Sorry for the triple post, but has anyone else has a problem with the white balance? It seems like every clip I import into After Effects has a default white balance of 5600 and + magenta tint (30 for the clip im looking at now but I could swear it was like 70 earlier on another).

Also, my default FPS override goes to 24.008 when i pick 24, has anyone else experienced weird stuff like this?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 27, 2013, 01:39:21 PM
Has anyone else noticed what seems to be pretty high noise? Maybe it's because I'm using ISOs 800 and above and upscaling to 1080p? I haven't tried denoising, and granted the noise isn't as ugly as say h264 noise and artifacting, but it's prevalent.

800iso is kinda high noise wise traditionaly. I would say yes.  However I am more from the still world then the film world.  The grain is much more pleasant than it was in h264....
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on May 27, 2013, 04:50:32 PM
here is my video at highest video RAW resolution

still love the sharpness it is generating, will wait for another fine day and try using lower resolution for longer clip
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 27, 2013, 05:11:06 PM
Looks like the frame rate is too fast?

absolutely! See this is the same thing I am seeing in my footage. Does anyone know what causes this issue? It's like the camera (when set to 23.976 is actually recording a slightly lower framerate like 22fps. That would create this slightly jerky movement when sped up to 23.976 or 24.

Additionally this would also explain why it seems like the default shutterspeed of approx 1/50 is still (strangely) creating a slightly strobing high shutter speed look. If the frame rate is actually being recorded at around 20 or 22 fps then approx 1/50 of a second is too fast to create normal (180 degree) shutter motion blur.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ijw01 on May 27, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
absolutely! See this is the same thing I am seeing in my footage. Does anyone know what causes this issue? It's like the camera (when set to 23.976 is actually recording a slightly lower framerate like 22fps. That would create this slightly jerky movement when sped up to 23.976 or 24.

Payne, its because you need to force the camera to shoot at 24fps. I had the same problem early on. In the Magic Lantern video tab, go into the 'FPS override' option. Set the 'desired fps' to 24. Then set 'optimize for' to 'exact FPS.' The 'actual FPS' will then read 24.001. That solves the problem.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: gabezermeno on May 27, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
Looks like the frame rate is too fast?

Yeah I actually have no clue how long to set the duration of the frames in premiere? I set them to .01 and that seems too fast and then .02 seems too long. Any Ideas? and I was shooting at ISO 125
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: gabezermeno on May 27, 2013, 07:47:05 PM
Anyone else noticing that the shots seem properly exposed on the camera and then underexposed when your editing? You then have to brig up the exposure which creates more noise.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 27, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
Thank you so much!!!  :D
Here is my first raw video in comparison to the h.264!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kgv5 on May 27, 2013, 08:26:27 PM
Very nice  :)  What is the original resolution of the RAW footage? Did you upscale it?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 09:12:31 PM
Anyone else noticing that the shots seem properly exposed on the camera and then underexposed when your editing? You then have to brig up the exposure which creates more noise.

Yes. Shots are underexposed and white balance is always 5600, although the tint does change. I'm also getting a lot of noise and even my frame rates are off. When I do FPS override to 24 is goes to 24.008 unless I use the force exact option so it goes to 24.000. I messed with the advanced settings to get it to 23.976 but I wonder if it's happening to others as well or it's simply my camera? With regular ML in movie mode my shutter would always be 1/46 or 1/47.

We need to keep in mind that this is a port of the 550D version so it seems to not be properly configured to support the 60D as well. I guess we'll get a better look at the RAW recording once it's better configured.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: GARoss on May 27, 2013, 09:22:04 PM
Hi everyone.

 I'd like to join the discussion as I have a 60D but need to know what program works with RAW video. I do have PS CS6 & use Bridge / ACR to open standard Canon RAW files with.

BTW - I did try ML 2.3 but my 60d would not turn on at times so I uninstalled ML.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 27, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
Autoexec.bin and raw_rec compiled few minutes ago

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgd0NybFNoanJfS3M/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 27, 2013, 09:45:43 PM
Correct me if I am wrong!   8)

IMHO the bottleneck of the Canon EOS 60D is the built-in SD-card interface.
Several tests show that the maximum troughput is about 20 MB/s.

Even a resolution of 960x540 pixels, 25 FPS, RAW, 14 bits/color, needs 22,68 MB/s (or 21,6 MiB).

So shouldn't we aim at the maximum of 960 x 480 pixels, still needing 20,16 MB/s (or 19,2 MiB).
Note: these calculations do not include audio!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 27, 2013, 09:46:42 PM
It's not a port of 550D. I disabled only few option in ML like 550D users.

We need to keep in mind that this is a port of the 550D version so it seems to not be properly configured to support the 60D as well. I guess we'll get a better look at the RAW recording once it's better configured.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
Correct me if I am wrong!   8)

IMHO the bottleneck of the Canon EOS 60D is the built-in SD-card interface.
Several tests show that the maximum troughput is about 20 MB/s.

Even a resolution of 960x540 pixels, 25 FPS, RAW, 14 bits/color, needs 22,68 MB/s (or 21,6 MiB).

So shouldn't we aim at the maximum of 960 x 480 pixels, still needing 20,16 MB/s (or 19,2 MiB).
Note: these calculations do not include audio!

I did a test of that exactly for the reasons you say.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 27, 2013, 09:49:48 PM
It's not a port of 550D. I disabled only few option in ML like 550D users.

Ah ok, my mistake. Thanks so much for your work btw. What's new in the new compile?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 27, 2013, 09:52:40 PM
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all/016ea7d1f045

Ah ok, my mistake. Thanks so much for your work btw. What's new in the new compile?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 27, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
some quick iso tests 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400  :)  :)  :)
(no noise reduction)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lfwrhwz7l1jnyeg/roK99YdSo-
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: davidcl0nel on May 27, 2013, 11:35:42 PM
I'm stuck with my own ARM cross compiler toolchain yet (EABI version mismatch with own arm-toolchain, and with precompiled arm he couldn't find, even the path is absolutely correct - tomorrow....)...
So I've tried your build a few minutes ago! My main goal is only timelapse (1fps or less), so I don't care about writing speed. My first attempt with 1720x1146 @ 0.5fps worked fine. Thanks!
Other interesting feature would be silent picture (for timelapse), but it isn't included in your build, am I correct?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 27, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
Very nice  :)  What is the original resolution of the RAW footage? Did you upscale it?

Thanks :) the original resolution was 1600x900...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 1% on May 27, 2013, 11:44:44 PM
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Note: these calculations do not include audio!
Forget about audio on any SD camera... 6D (2x speed) has to drop to like 600D rates so you'd be recording real small.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 27, 2013, 11:55:31 PM
I had to remove some features because 60D has problems with booting of full ML package with modules enabled. You should to download normal nightly build, silent picture is included.


Other interesting feature would be silent picture (for timelapse), but it isn't included in your build, am I correct?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ProfessorX on May 28, 2013, 02:02:07 AM
I'm a total noob, just so we are clear :) I saw these post and had to test it out. 1280x720
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 28, 2013, 06:57:01 AM
I had to remove some features because 60D has problems with booting of full ML package with modules enabled. You should to download normal nightly build, silent picture is included.

What was removed? Anything that should hold us back from installing this newest version? I am very excited about the idea of the raw histogram as the current one definitely does not work.

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 28, 2013, 09:32:48 AM
I got 1440x604 working with no skipped frames...



At 12fps  :P

But I did some Twixtoring... and well...

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: gerk.raisen on May 28, 2013, 11:58:22 AM
Marekk,

I had to remove some features because 60D has problems with booting of full ML package with modules enabled.

What exact error did you get?
What features you removed?
Maybe is similar/related to my error
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5650.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5650.0)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 28, 2013, 12:05:41 PM
It works, even in raw movie mode.
Enable raw_rec module, enable raw recording in movie properties, enable global graw, go to histogram properties in ML, enable RAW Histogram, set ETTR..

I am very excited about the idea of the raw histogram as the current one definitely does not work.

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 28, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
no errors, it simply hangs.
I removed audio features, focus and photo options. I wil post my all_features.h in the evening.

Marekk,

What exact error did you get?
What features you removed?
Maybe is similar/related to my error
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5650.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5650.0)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 28, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
If you want to run ML on 60D with all features (except raw rec) pls download latest official ML nightly build.

Canon 60D has problems with booting when ML is compiled with modules and tcc, the only way for now is to remove some standard features and it boots.

What was removed? Anything that should hold us back from installing this newest version? Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on May 28, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
These are my old benchmark with 2 cards.
Transcend 32gb Class 10
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHb1XOpL.png&hash=ca643f45db9937c33ec649f66531660f)
Sandisk 32gb Extreme 45mb/s
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgHIz9Jn.png&hash=639fff7f2d910a04ee71a7e266366b04)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: teecee on May 28, 2013, 04:39:02 PM
it works but what about the sound
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on May 28, 2013, 05:35:02 PM
Well, I got RAW video working on my 60D. Here's a 1280 X 720 test of my face. My post workflow is pretty hilarious. I use my macbook pro and raw2dng to convert the raw file, put the frames back on my sd card and load it on my PC running CS3 (yes, 3), open frames on ACR, color correct/grade the images and save them as tif files. put the tif files back on my sd card, back to my macbook, open the tifs in FCPX and create a sequence for edit and further color correction/grading if needed. Like I said, it's a hilarious post workflow but it's the only way I can process the files in ACR at the moment.

I'm blown away by the detail, etc. of RAW video. So much flexibility in regards to color correcting and grading too.

https://vimeo.com/67101698 (https://vimeo.com/67101698)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 28, 2013, 06:29:58 PM
all_features.h

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/**
 * Main ML feature set
 *
 * You can:
 *
 * 1) include this file from platform/CAMERA/features.h (recommended for stable ports) and override a few things,
 *       or
 * 2) you can start from scratch with a minimal feature set (just define what you need).
 *
 * Basically, if feature X works on most cameras, it's probably a good idea to put it here.
 *
 * If feature X depends on some backend thingie, you can add the condition here
 *
 * e.g.
 *
 *      #ifdef CONFIG_VARIANGLE_DISPLAY
 *          #define FEATURE_IMAGE_ORIENTATION
 *          #define FEATURE_AUTO_MIRRORING_HACK
 *      #endif
 *
 * can be read as "all cameras with a flip-out display will have these two features".
 *
 */

/** Audio menu **/

//#ifdef CONFIG_AUDIO_CONTROLS
//    #define FEATURE_ANALOG_GAIN
//    #define FEATURE_DIGITAL_GAIN
//    #define FEATURE_AGC_TOGGLE
//    #define FEATURE_WIND_FILTER
//    #define FEATURE_INPUT_SOURCE
//    #define FEATURE_MIC_POWER
//    #define FEATURE_HEADPHONE_MONITORING
//    #define FEATURE_HEADPHONE_OUTPUT_VOLUME
//#endif

   #define FEATURE_AUDIO_METERS
   #define FEATURE_BEEP
   #define FEATURE_WAV_RECORDING
//   #define FEATURE_VOICE_TAGS

/** Expo menu **/

    #define FEATURE_EXPO_ISO_DIGIC

#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
    #define FEATURE_WHITE_BALANCE
    #define FEATURE_EXPO_ISO
    #define FEATURE_EXPO_ISO_HTP
    #define FEATURE_EXPO_SHUTTER
    #define FEATURE_EXPO_APERTURE
    //~ #define FEATURE_INTERMEDIATE_ISO_PHOTO_DISPLAY // only for rebels, not for high-end bodies
    //~ #define FEATURE_INTERMEDIATE_ISO_INTERCEPT_SCROLLWHEEL // 550D trick

    #define FEATURE_PICSTYLE
    #define FEATURE_REC_PICSTYLE

    #define FEATURE_EXPO_LOCK
    #define FEATURE_EXPO_PRESET
    #define FEATURE_ML_AUTO_ISO

//#ifdef CONFIG_EXPSIM
//    #define FEATURE_EXPSIM
//#endif

    #define FEATURE_EXPO_OVERRIDE

//#ifdef CONFIG_RAW_PHOTO
//    #define FEATURE_AUTO_ETTR
//#endif

#endif

/** Overlay menu **/

    #define FEATURE_GLOBAL_DRAW
//    #define FEATURE_ZEBRA
//    #define FEATURE_ZEBRA_FAST
    #define FEATURE_FOCUS_PEAK
    //~ #define FEATURE_FOCUS_PEAK_DISP_FILTER // too slow
    #define FEATURE_MAGIC_ZOOM
    #define FEATURE_CROPMARKS
    #define FEATURE_GHOST_IMAGE
    #define FEATURE_SPOTMETER
    #define FEATURE_FALSE_COLOR
    #define FEATURE_HISTOGRAM
    #define FEATURE_WAVEFORM
    #define FEATURE_VECTORSCOPE

    #define FEATURE_OVERLAYS_IN_PLAYBACK_MODE


#if defined(CONFIG_RAW_PHOTO) || defined(CONFIG_RAW_LIVEVIEW)
    #define FEATURE_RAW_HISTOGRAM
    #define FEATURE_RAW_SPOTMETER
#endif

#ifdef CONFIG_RAW_PHOTO
    #define FEATURE_RAW_ZEBRAS
#endif
//
/** Movie menu **/
    #define FEATURE_NITRATE
    //~ #define FEATURE_NITRATE_WAV_RECORD // not user-proof at all
    //~ #define FEATURE_VIDEO_HACKS // for experts only

   #define FEATURE_REC_INDICATOR
    #define FEATURE_MOVIE_LOGGING
    #define FEATURE_MOVIE_RESTART
    //~ #define FEATURE_MOVIE_AUTOSTOP_RECORDING // will be moved to scripts
    #define FEATURE_REC_NOTIFY
    //~ #define FEATURE_REC_NOTIFY_BEEP // this may interfere with sound recording, so only enable it where we know it works
    #define FEATURE_MOVIE_REC_KEY
    #define FEATURE_FORCE_LIVEVIEW

#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
    #define FEATURE_SHUTTER_LOCK
#endif

#ifdef CONFIG_FRAME_ISO_OVERRIDE
    #define FEATURE_GRADUAL_EXPOSURE
#endif

    #define FEATURE_FPS_OVERRIDE
    #define FEATURE_FPS_RAMPING
    #define FEATURE_FPS_WAV_RECORD

#ifdef CONFIG_FRAME_ISO_OVERRIDE
    #define FEATURE_HDR_VIDEO
    //~ #define FEATURE_HDR_EXTENDED // for experts only
#endif

    #define FEATURE_IMAGE_EFFECTS

    #define FEATURE_VIGNETTING_CORRECTION

#ifdef CONFIG_FRAME_SHUTTER_OVERRIDE
    #define FEATURE_SHUTTER_FINE_TUNING
#endif

    // 50D movie hacks
    //~ #define FEATURE_MOVIE_RECORDING_50D
    //~ #define FEATURE_MOVIE_RECORDING_50D_SHUTTER_HACK
    //~ #define FEATURE_LVAE_EXPO_LOCK

/** Shoot menu **/

//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_HDR_BRACKETING
//#endif
//    #define FEATURE_INTERVALOMETER
    //~ #define FEATURE_INTERVALOMETER_MOVIE // will be moved to scripts

//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_BULB_RAMPING
//    #define FEATURE_BULB_TIMER
//#endif

//#ifdef CONFIG_LCD_SENSOR
//    #define FEATURE_LCD_SENSOR_REMOTE
//#endif
//    #define FEATURE_AUDIO_REMOTE_SHOT
//    #define FEATURE_MOTION_DETECT
//    #define FEATURE_SILENT_PIC
    //~ #define FEATURE_SILENT_PIC_HIRES
    //~ #define FEATURE_SILENT_PIC_JPG // bleeding edge

//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_MLU
//    #define FEATURE_MLU_HANDHELD

    //~ #define FEATURE_MLU_HANDHELD_DEBUG
    //~ #define FEATURE_MLU_DIRECT_PRINT_SHORTCUT // for 5Dc

//    #define FEATURE_FLASH_TWEAKS
    //~ #define FEATURE_LV_3RD_PARTY_FLASH // rebels only

    // can do permanent damage, for research only!
    //~ #define FEATURE_PICQ_DANGEROUS
//#endif

 //   #define FEATURE_SNAP_SIM


#ifdef CONFIG_RAW_LIVEVIEW
    #define FEATURE_SILENT_PIC_RAW_BURST
    //~ #define FEATURE_SILENT_PIC_RAW // - compatibility mode; define only one of those, not both
#endif

//#ifdef CONFIG_RAW_PHOTO
//    #define FEATURE_POST_DEFLICKER
//#endif

/** Focus menu **/
//    #define FEATURE_TRAP_FOCUS

//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_FOLLOW_FOCUS
//    #define FEATURE_RACK_FOCUS
//    #define FEATURE_FOCUS_STACKING
//    #define FEATURE_AF_PATTERNS
    //~ #define FEATURE_MOVIE_AF // not reliable
//#endif

/** Display menu **/
//    #define FEATURE_LV_BRIGHTNESS_CONTRAST
//    #define FEATURE_LV_SATURATION
    #define FEATURE_LV_DISPLAY_GAIN
//    #define FEATURE_COLOR_SCHEME
//    #define FEATURE_CLEAR_OVERLAYS

//#ifdef CONFIG_DISPLAY_FILTERS
//    #define FEATURE_DEFISHING_PREVIEW
//    #define FEATURE_ANAMORPHIC_PREVIEW
//#endif

#ifdef CONFIG_ELECTRONIC_LEVEL
#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
    #define FEATURE_LEVEL_INDICATOR
#endif
#endif

//    #define FEATURE_SCREEN_LAYOUT
//    #define FEATURE_IMAGE_POSITION
//    #define FEATURE_UPSIDE_DOWN

//#ifdef CONFIG_VARIANGLE_DISPLAY
//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_IMAGE_ORIENTATION   // for flip-out display only
//    #define FEATURE_AUTO_MIRRORING_HACK
//#endif
//#endif

//    #define FEATURE_FORCE_HDMI_VGA
//    #define FEATURE_UNIWB_CORRECTION

    //~ #define FEATURE_DISPLAY_SHAKE // looks ugly :P

/** Prefs menu **/

//    #define FEATURE_SET_MAINDIAL
//    #define FEATURE_PLAY_EXPOSURE_FUSION
//    #define FEATURE_PLAY_COMPARE_IMAGES
//    #define FEATURE_PLAY_TIMELAPSE
//    #define FEATURE_PLAY_EXPOSURE_ADJUST
//    #define FEATURE_PLAY_422

//    #define FEATURE_IMAGE_REVIEW_PLAY
//    #define FEATURE_QUICK_ZOOM
//#ifdef CONFIG_Q_MENU_PLAYBACK
//    #define FEATURE_LV_BUTTON_PROTECT
//    #define FEATURE_LV_BUTTON_RATE
//#endif
//    #define FEATURE_QUICK_ERASE

//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_LV_ZOOM_SETTINGS
//    #define FEATURE_LV_ZOOM_SHARP_CONTRAST
//    #ifdef CONFIG_EXPSIM
//    #define FEATURE_LV_ZOOM_AUTO_EXPOSURE
//    #endif
    //~ #define FEATURE_ZOOM_TRICK_5D3 // not reliable

//    #define FEATURE_LV_FOCUS_BOX_FAST
//    #define FEATURE_LV_FOCUS_BOX_SNAP
//    #define FEATURE_LV_FOCUS_BOX_AUTOHIDE

//    #define FEATURE_ARROW_SHORTCUTS

//    #define FEATURE_STICKY_DOF
 //   #define FEATURE_STICKY_HALFSHUTTER
    //~ #define FEATURE_AUTO_BURST_PICQ // rebels only

//#endif
    //~ #define FEATURE_SWAP_MENU_ERASE // useful for 60D only

//    #define FEATURE_WARNINGS_FOR_BAD_SETTINGS

//#ifdef CONFIG_PROP_REQUEST_CHANGE
//    #define FEATURE_POWERSAVE_LIVEVIEW
//#endif

//    #define FEATURE_LV_DISPLAY_PRESETS

    //~ #define FEATURE_EYEFI_TRICKS  // EyeFi tricks confirmed working only on 600D-60D

    //~ #define FEATURE_KEN_ROCKWELL_ZOOM_5D3

    //~ #define FEATURE_DIGITAL_ZOOM_SHORTCUT_600D

/** Debug menu **/

    //~ #define FEATURE_SHOW_OVERLAY_FPS

    #define FEATURE_SCREENSHOT
    #define FEATURE_SCREENSHOT_422

    #define FEATURE_DONT_CLICK_ME

    #define FEATURE_SHOW_TASKS
    #define FEATURE_SHOW_CPU_USAGE
    #define FEATURE_SHOW_GUI_EVENTS

    #define FEATURE_SHOW_IMAGE_BUFFERS_INFO
    #define FEATURE_SHOW_FREE_MEMORY
    #define FEATURE_SHOW_SHUTTER_COUNT
    #define FEATURE_SHOW_CMOS_TEMPERATURE
    #define FEATURE_SHOW_EDMAC_INFO

    //~ #define FEATURE_SHOW_SIGNATURE // useful when developing
    //~ #define FEATURE_GUIMODE_TEST // dangerous
    //~ #define FEATURE_SHOW_STATE_FPS // useful for finding vsync hooks

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: KahL on May 28, 2013, 06:49:50 PM
My unscientific test using RAW on the 60D, off of the Vision Log and Vision Color profiles (not as detrimental in RAW as is w/ h264).

This was a shot test using the Magic Lantern early 60D code for RAW frame shooting. My main points of interest were in skin tones, resolution and latitude.
WORK NOTES
1.   The RAW workflow, for those who are unfamiliar w/ RAW still photography, is a very painstaking process. It is well worth it, but it isn’t as quick and immediate as in recording video. Keep in mind, filming in RAW is NOT video, they are still frames in a sequence (just to clarify that there isn’t such a thing as RAW VIDEO in the most literal sense).
2.   These were filmed at 960x408, a 2.35:1 frame crop, which lead to much longer scene filming through the 20MBps data cap limit of the 60D’s SD card buffer.
3.   The frame processing was done in Lightroom 4, which consisted of white balance correction (early code has a magenta shift), recovering highlights allowing from 1-2 stops of recovery and pulling up the blacks to flatten back to the Log look setup (shot on Vision Log).
4.   Finally, the frames were batch exported w/ a 1920px horizontal upscale in JPEG 100% quality, then imported as a frame sequence in premiere for editing.
5.   Color grading was done via a DPX export into AE CS6 and final delivery in h.264 at 28Mbps (Blu Ray quality).
This process reminds me SO much of processing film digitally. Additionally, the 960x408 upscale gives a very similar resolution to Super 16mm film. So as a fan of films such as The Hurt Locker, Hustle And Flow, The Wrestler and Black Swan, I’ve zero problem with the high latitude, but smooth-softened look of super 16 in a digital form :)
The resolution is MUCH better than the h264 files and the latitude isn't even comparable. Shooting in RAW gives such a large latitude advantage, it becomes a totally different conversation altogether. Much like shooting on film, you realize you can play much more w/ the imagery and don't need to be as protective of the highlights as you do when shooting video. It's a very different mindset and a much needed upgrade.
A GIGANTIC THANK YOU to the Magic Lantern team for putting all of their efforts into this!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Andy600 on May 28, 2013, 06:55:44 PM
@KahL - Picture Style choice does not affect raw video recording in any way :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: KahL on May 28, 2013, 07:06:39 PM
@KahL - Picture Style choice does not affect raw video recording in any way :)

You're right for the most part, especially w/ this early code's magenta shift issues. However whenever I'm shooting stills in RAW, the picture style still shows through. It's not as heavy as it would be had it been in jpeg, but the characteristics remain somewhat I've seen.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on May 28, 2013, 07:10:29 PM
@KahL - Picture Style choice does not affect raw video recording in any way :)

I'm curious, what picture profile does it record the frames in?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Andy600 on May 28, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
You're right for the most part, especially w/ this early code's magenta shift issues. However whenever I'm shooting stills in RAW, the picture style still shows through. It's not as heavy as it would be had it been in jpeg, but the characteristics remain somewhat I've seen.

It's impossible as the LV feed is intercepted and recorded as raw data straight from the sensor. The raw data does not pass through anything picture style related as it would for H.264 or Jpeg. Try changing your PS (but not exposure settings) and you will see the image remains the same no matter what PS you have selected.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on May 28, 2013, 07:15:59 PM
It's impossible as the LV feed is intercepted and recorded as raw data straight from the sensor. The raw data does not pass through anything picture style related as it would for H.264 or Jpeg. Try changing your PS (but not exposure settings) and you will see the image remains the same no matter what PS you have selected.

That makes sense. So the picture profile is only for LiveView and has no impact on the RAW frames..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Andy600 on May 28, 2013, 07:19:41 PM
Yes, so it's a good idea to use the raw histogram for exposure ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on May 28, 2013, 07:29:50 PM
Yes, so it's a good idea to use the raw histogram for exposure ;)

And a contrasty, sharp picture profile for LiveView to help with critical focus?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: KahL on May 28, 2013, 07:57:05 PM
That makes sense. So the picture profile is only for LiveView and has no impact on the RAW frames..

Makes sense then :)

Someone also mentioned being able to shoot in 1120x468 resolution, though I'm not seeing this on the 60D. Is this possible here, or is it a product of the 600D and 550D?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 28, 2013, 10:37:39 PM
My unscientific test using RAW on the 60D, off of the Vision Log and Vision Color profiles (not as detrimental in RAW as is w/ h264).

This was a shot test using the Magic Lantern early 60D code for RAW frame shooting. My main points of interest were in skin tones, resolution and latitude.
WORK NOTES
1.   The RAW workflow, for those who are unfamiliar w/ RAW still photography, is a very painstaking process. It is well worth it, but it isn’t as quick and immediate as in recording video. Keep in mind, filming in RAW is NOT video, they are still frames in a sequence (just to clarify that there isn’t such a thing as RAW VIDEO in the most literal sense).
2.   These were filmed at 960x408, a 2.35:1 frame crop, which lead to much longer scene filming through the 20MBps data cap limit of the 60D’s SD card buffer.
3.   The frame processing was done in Lightroom 4, which consisted of white balance correction (early code has a magenta shift), recovering highlights allowing from 1-2 stops of recovery and pulling up the blacks to flatten back to the Log look setup (shot on Vision Log).
4.   Finally, the frames were batch exported w/ a 1920px horizontal upscale in JPEG 100% quality, then imported as a frame sequence in premiere for editing.
5.   Color grading was done via a DPX export into AE CS6 and final delivery in h.264 at 28Mbps (Blu Ray quality).
This process reminds me SO much of processing film digitally. Additionally, the 960x408 upscale gives a very similar resolution to Super 16mm film. So as a fan of films such as The Hurt Locker, Hustle And Flow, The Wrestler and Black Swan, I’ve zero problem with the high latitude, but smooth-softened look of super 16 in a digital form :)
The resolution is MUCH better than the h264 files and the latitude isn't even comparable. Shooting in RAW gives such a large latitude advantage, it becomes a totally different conversation altogether. Much like shooting on film, you realize you can play much more w/ the imagery and don't need to be as protective of the highlights as you do when shooting video. It's a very different mindset and a much needed upgrade.
A GIGANTIC THANK YOU to the Magic Lantern team for putting all of their efforts into this!

Great! I love the raw noise :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 28, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
My unscientific test using RAW on the 60D, off of the Vision Log and Vision Color profiles (not as detrimental in RAW as is w/ h264).

This was a shot test using the Magic Lantern early 60D code for RAW frame shooting. My main points of interest were in skin tones, resolution and latitude.
WORK NOTES
1.   The RAW workflow, for those who are unfamiliar w/ RAW still photography, is a very painstaking process. It is well worth it, but it isn’t as quick and immediate as in recording video. Keep in mind, filming in RAW is NOT video, they are still frames in a sequence (just to clarify that there isn’t such a thing as RAW VIDEO in the most literal sense).
2.   These were filmed at 960x408, a 2.35:1 frame crop, which lead to much longer scene filming through the 20MBps data cap limit of the 60D’s SD card buffer.
3.   The frame processing was done in Lightroom 4, which consisted of white balance correction (early code has a magenta shift), recovering highlights allowing from 1-2 stops of recovery and pulling up the blacks to flatten back to the Log look setup (shot on Vision Log).
4.   Finally, the frames were batch exported w/ a 1920px horizontal upscale in JPEG 100% quality, then imported as a frame sequence in premiere for editing.
5.   Color grading was done via a DPX export into AE CS6 and final delivery in h.264 at 28Mbps (Blu Ray quality).
This process reminds me SO much of processing film digitally. Additionally, the 960x408 upscale gives a very similar resolution to Super 16mm film. So as a fan of films such as The Hurt Locker, Hustle And Flow, The Wrestler and Black Swan, I’ve zero problem with the high latitude, but smooth-softened look of super 16 in a digital form :)
The resolution is MUCH better than the h264 files and the latitude isn't even comparable. Shooting in RAW gives such a large latitude advantage, it becomes a totally different conversation altogether. Much like shooting on film, you realize you can play much more w/ the imagery and don't need to be as protective of the highlights as you do when shooting video. It's a very different mindset and a much needed upgrade.
A GIGANTIC THANK YOU to the Magic Lantern team for putting all of their efforts into this!

I'm looking at your test now. It's basically a daytime version of my test of the 960x404 resolutions also, which so far are the highest res stable ones (unless you count 1440 by 602 at 12fps lol). My test is here:

However, I found that the 960 resolutions are still pretty soft when upscaled to 1920 width. And noise levels are pretty high too.

Also, how do you like VisionLog? I use VisionTech mostly.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 28, 2013, 10:51:56 PM
Here is a test comparing different resolutions under a high contrast situation. I'm on the fence as far as the 960 wide resolutions are concerned. I'd gladly settle for 1280 wide without skipped frames :/


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: KahL on May 28, 2013, 11:19:50 PM
I'm madly in love with VisionColor, Tech and Log, but it doesn't have an affect on RAW the way I would want. However if I'm recording video, I ONLY use their picture styles.

I just picked up a 50D from Adorama an hour ago and installing ML on it now as we speak. We'll see how the "upgrade" works out :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 28, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
New test with nightly build 28-5-2013.
960 x 540 px @ 25 fps, 16:9, 100 ISO, max. 3479 frames before buffer full.
Only magenta tint removed.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 28, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
New test with nightly build 28-5-2013.
960 x 540 px @ 25 fps, 16:9, max. 3479 frames before buffer full.
Only magenta tint removed.


FYI only uploaded as 480p on your link
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jhero on May 28, 2013, 11:28:48 PM
Hey guys,

Not too sure what's happening but I am seeing some small red, blue, and yellow lines scattered throughout my dngs… Anyone know if a way to fix?
http://oi39.tinypic.com/a79n4.jpg
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 28, 2013, 11:46:04 PM
Umm that looks like physical light leak?  normal stills work ok?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 28, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
I'm madly in love with VisionColor, Tech and Log, but it doesn't have an affect on RAW the way I would want. However if I'm recording video, I ONLY use their picture styles.

I just picked up a 50D from Adorama an hour ago and installing ML on it now as we speak. We'll see how the "upgrade" works out :)

Damn, I wish I had the money to splurge on a 50D right now :( Let me know how they compare. I'm mostly interested in the noise comparisons, the 50D looks so clean while the 60D has a bunch of noise in the RAWs.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 28, 2013, 11:49:44 PM
Hey guys,

Not too sure what's happening but I am seeing some small red, blue, and yellow lines scattered throughout my dngs… Anyone know if a way to fix?
http://i39.tinypic.com/a79n4.png

IS THAT A DOUBLE RAINBOW?! haha, but yeah i see what you mean on the right side of the frame. Same was happening to me last night, higher ISOs made it worse. I'm not sure what it is, and it stayed on the same areas so I'm just hoping it's not my sensor dying :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 28, 2013, 11:51:55 PM
FYI only uploaded as 480p on your link

Strange, was uploaded as 960 x 540px.

Fixed, uploaded as 1080p:
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jhero on May 29, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Umm that looks like physical light leak?  normal stills work ok?

Yea, the light leak is from the sun but on the side of the image is where those lines are

I took a sample shot and they're not there… just in the dng's :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 29, 2013, 12:59:51 AM
so while mirror is up in live view possibly thats where the leak is and not when a standard picture is taken?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 29, 2013, 01:14:35 AM
He's not talking about the rainbows, he means the splotches of red and blue. very small ones, on the right.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 1% on May 29, 2013, 01:24:23 AM
Quote
Not too sure what's happening but I am seeing some small red, blue, and yellow lines scattered throughout

Turn on lv_af_raw... its needed for 5D3/600D but causes this on 6D :o
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 29, 2013, 02:17:26 AM
Hi guys, does anyone have any tips or thoughts for increasing the malloc to squeeze out more frames on the 60D at higher resolutions? Right now I can get 143 frames at 1600x900 if I put the picture recording mode on jpeg (not raw or raw+jpeg) per the tip from several days ago (I am using the 5/25 build btw). Does anyone think that ultimately there will be other ways to inch closer to using more of the memory for raw recording bursts in the future either by disabling unneeded features or some other creative methods? 143 frames (5.9 seconds at 23.98) is certainly an improvement over where we were just a few short days ago. I'm Just trying to stay hopeful and positive for a future break-through that may allow us to get to 8 or 10 seconds of recording time if not more.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: handbanana on May 29, 2013, 03:56:59 AM
I would certainly love for that possibility, but I don't think we will be able to do that with 14bit RAW. Maybe if they get 12 or 10 bit working. Regardless of how much you increase the buffer, my understanding is that the write speed limits writing these large files. Eventually that space is going to get backed up enough and full and cause recording to stop.

This is why I am strongly considering a 50D for higher resolution RAW. At the current stable resolutions (960 wide), the resolution looks not much better than regular H264. Now if we could get the 1280 wide modes working stably (720p or the 2.35 and 2.39 crops of it) that could be a great compromise. The image is still an increase in sharpness over regular H264.

The last option is to record at 1440 wide (1440 by 602 for example) at 12fps, then use Twixtor or similar software to create the missing frames in post. Not perfect, but probably the best we're going to get.


I did propose the idea of using JPEGs so that we could at least get sharper video at FullHD, but I don't know wether that's even possible.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on May 29, 2013, 04:51:27 AM
I was testing out the latest build (05-28) and RAW video has some amazing capabilities (I'm not new to RAW photography, so this feature is really exciting for me). The only problem is the speed cap for writing, although even a wee bit of actual RAW footage could sometimes be very useful for artistic purposes.

I was wondering, maybe there is some sort of a soft mod possible to increase the SD writing speed? The connectors for my 32GB SanDisk Extreme Pro UHS-1 (95MB/s) SDHC card are exactly the same as those of some old SD card I have. I know the card itself has some stuff inside to speed it up, but this can't be all just on the hardware end, can it? After all, overclocking CPU's is possible without modifying the hardware... If it's one thing we've learned - it's that Canon likes to lock some stuff in their cameras. Maybe the writing speed is capped somewhere to make the 60D inferior to higher end cameras...
If that doesn't cut it, another idea I had was to maybe somehow push the RAW feed through the HDMI as data to an external device. Not sure if this makes sense though... My backing of this is that HDMI should in theory be able to push some serious data rates through it (we're talking in hundreds of megabits and even gigabits here, depending on hardware).

Hope my thoughts can spark something in the minds of devs here. Amazing work, guys! We've gone a long way since the 5D3 could only push 28 frames at once, so I believe the 60D can go through similar changes too :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on May 29, 2013, 05:21:57 AM
no, UHS support is on hardware level, 60D is not having a UHS controller and thus it is impossible to do so

Here is the information from wikipedia
UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01,[41] support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original "Default Speed"), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s. UHS-I cards declared as UHS104 also support a clock frequency of 208 MHz, which could transfer 104 MB/s. UHS-I is the fastest class for which products are currently available.[45]
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on May 29, 2013, 08:45:01 AM
I installed this on my late 2010 60D and all is well; 960x540@24 works just fine on a Transcend 16 GB class 10 card which benchmarks around 19.7 MB/s. And I can't figure out how to get the video to play back in camera; it only shows anything at all in live view, and then it is very glitchy. It also ERR 80's sometimes when I try to review, and then I have to pull the battery. Anyone else have this issue?

The biggest problems now are I that I have major 5D3 envy, and I need more hard disk space. I'm not expecting any major 60D breakthroughs, but I wouldn't really mind if there was.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 29, 2013, 11:02:31 AM
Considering all work that's done it is amazing how far we came with the Canon 60D and ML RAW video.

But to be honest, I don't think Full 14bits RAW HD video is possible with the 60D.
So it will be fantastic for doing timelapse or stop motion animation.
For instance in combination with Dragonframe it would be fabulous!
But the only thing missing for timelapse and stop motion animation is a bigger resolution.
Why is 1728x972px the maximum? 2560 would already be nice to be able to do some panning in post!

Or buy a Canon 50D :-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 29, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
You should to remenber that:
- Max LiveView RAW in 60D is 1734x1156
- Camera can write max 20MB/s, full HD needs 90-100MB/s
- Max width of raw movie on Canon 50D is 1592
- There is no special RAW_REC module for 60D, it's the same file like for 5D, 550D, 6D etc.
... and how RAW_REC works

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10494/magic-lantern-5d-mark-iii-raw-video-and-camera-reliability (http://www.eoshd.com/content/10494/magic-lantern-5d-mark-iii-raw-video-and-camera-reliability)
Quote
"Raw data is sub-sampled (RGGB) from the 22MP sensor, using an electronic rolling shutter. The sensor sampling modes remained unchanged from the stock Canon spec and the sensor is doing what it does normally with the official Canon firmware. The sensor data is stored in memory during live view operation and Canon’s code uses this data to supply an image for the LCD, HDMI and video mode. Magic Lantern’s code simply addresses the memory containing the raw data and copies it to the compact flash card via the buffer."



Considering all work that's done it is amazing how far we came with the Canon 60D and ML RAW video.

But to be honest, I don't think Full 14bits RAW HD video is possible with the 60D.
So it will be fantastic for doing timelapse or stop motion animation.
For instance in combination with Dragonframe it would be fabulous!
But the only thing missing for timelapse and stop motion animation is a bigger resolution.
Why is 1728x972px the maximum? 2560 would already be nice to be able to do some panning in post!

Or buy a Canon 50D :-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 29, 2013, 02:44:36 PM
Thanks marekk for making this clear.

It is possible to get the full 18 Megapixels in RAW for timelaps and stop motion animation, bypassing Live View?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 03:08:48 PM
@Kotik - If you're doing stop-motion animation why not just use the camera for photos and get 5k frame sizes?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 29, 2013, 03:33:05 PM
Wasn't awake yet!   8)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 29, 2013, 03:48:01 PM

But the only thing missing for timelapse and stop motion animation is a bigger resolution.
Why is 1728x972px the maximum? 2560 would already be nice to be able to do some panning in post!

Or buy a Canon 50D :-)

Silent picture shoots DNG at a higher resolution. Its I believe 2K..  Use that instead of raw video for timelapse if you don't want to eat the shutter with standard pictures.  I am currently uploading one to you tube now. It will take another few hours tell its up. I had to down scale it to 1080.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CFP on May 29, 2013, 03:56:30 PM
The Silent Pictures and raw videos are nothing else than the LiveView image before the Picture Styles are applied. So you can't get higher resolutions than what Canon gives us. For the 18 Megapixel APS-C cameras that means the max. resolution is 1734 X 1156. Only in 5X magnification mode you get a higher resolutions. You could make a high-res matrix be moving the focus box of course.

The 15 Megapixel 50D has an even lower LiveView resolution than the 60D/600D/550D.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 29, 2013, 04:08:10 PM
The Silent Pictures and raw videos are nothing else than the LiveView image before the Picture Styles are applied. So you can't get higher resolutions than what Canon gives us. For the 18 Megapixel APS-C cameras that means the max. resolution is 1734 X 1156. Only in 5X magnification mode you get a higher resolutions. You could make a high-res matrix be moving the focus box of course.

The 15 Megapixel 50D has an even lower LiveView resolution than the 60D/600D/550D.

Ahh yes 1734 X 1156 was the resolution I was looking for. I did notice it does have more than a normal 100iso raw when processing. However a little ACR noise reduction it looks great.   Really with SD cards raw video is viable only in short clips because even with a camera that can handle it without filling the buffer. You can fill the card very very quickly.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on May 29, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
@Kotik - If you're doing stop-motion animation why not just use the camera for photos and get 5k frame sizes?

No wear on the shutter perhaps? 10 minutes of animation @24fps = 14,400 shutter actuations...I have not tried to upscale the frames yet, but considering the look of  the silent pics it might be worth the reduction in size if you do a great deal of stop motion.

A little OT - sorry.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on May 29, 2013, 05:45:08 PM
You should to remenber that:
- Max LiveView RAW in 60D is 1734x1156
- Camera can write max 20MB/s, full HD needs 90-100MB/s
- Max width of raw movie on Canon 50D is 1592
- There is no special RAW_REC module for 60D, it's the same file like for 5D, 550D, 6D etc.
... and how RAW_REC works

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10494/magic-lantern-5d-mark-iii-raw-video-and-camera-reliability (http://www.eoshd.com/content/10494/magic-lantern-5d-mark-iii-raw-video-and-camera-reliability)

I would suggest that you added this valuable information to the first post of this thread. And thank you for spending your time on RAW for 60D.  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 29, 2013, 06:42:53 PM
@marekk.
Still getting dropped resolution from my 60D.
So the following happens once i unwrap the Raw file with RAW2DNG:
2.35:1
1720x732 = 1704x716

However, now i'm using RPP to process the DNGs & once converted to TIFFs they change size again to 1714x726.
So, not really a problem anymore as its only a fraction off now.

Would highly recommend RPP if you're on a Mac & don't have PS, LR or AE.
Or, if you don't like how ACR handles Raw!
RPP has all the settings you need apart from a Denoiser & it also has some pretty nice Film Stock emulating presets!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 29, 2013, 07:31:34 PM
@Kotik - If you're doing stop-motion animation why not just use the camera for photos and get 5k frame sizes?

Stop motion animation is not my first goal with the 60D. It's mainly use is shooting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=upl7ZL6v85c

All shots were taken with the 60D execpt the close-ups of the talking people are shot with a Sony EX-3.
So I'm still interested in ML RAW on a 60D but realize the 5D MIII is the way to go for me!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jhero on May 29, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
Turn on lv_af_raw... its needed for 5D3/600D but causes this on 6D :o

Thanks! But how would I go about turning it on?

Edit: Tried the May 27th build for 60D and no problems, looks like the 28th build introduced something that messes it up
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: davidcl0nel on May 29, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
My compile chain also finally working now and I got also the full image (as in nightly build) without module support. (which is ~3mb for all cameras)
If I try to activate module support (and dependencies), I got a 3.5mb autoexec, but it crashs on start with null pointer. Is this image to big, oder is something else broken then?
Your image has the module support, but nothing else. Do you deactivate all features in features.h? Some lower features as silent pictures or such things - some features are really not very important.

Is there a way of combination both ways in one image?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 29, 2013, 11:34:49 PM
My ISO (100,200,400,800,1600,3200,6400) RAW video tests on Vimeo:
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on May 29, 2013, 11:55:59 PM
I love MagicLantern and who made this and dev....... !!

well, I copy that file and add modules and finaly record raw !

But...

when I copy files to my laptop and try to opening... my face changed, like this -=>  :o

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload7.ir%2Fimages%2F41402230658195551768.jpg&hash=9211d507500c969f7c62ace4d0cd3659)

when drag to photoshop :

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload7.ir%2Fimages%2F58230737244145165515.jpg&hash=737c48a90a39c0cadc6cbd7d88cce4d6)

when opened :

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload7.ir%2Fimages%2F75988551095164043561.jpg&hash=d1f2ae1fa93b648422e498f501bda641)

( very sorry for my bad english  :-[ )
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on May 30, 2013, 12:34:14 AM
@saeed2vfx: you don't open these files in photoshop - they are not .RAW 32BPC HDR files that it supports. You need to convert it to a DNG sequence using RAW2DNG (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0"). Once you have the sequence, you can import it into After Effects or other editing/compositing suite (subject to support for DNG sequences) and start playing around with it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nibbler19 on May 30, 2013, 01:45:28 AM
I managed to achieve 247 frames of 1280x536 (2.39:1) RAW with my 60D and a Transcend 32GB class 10 card.

Here is a test clip comparing the RAW to the H.264.

http://youtu.be/Pr3QJP_53-Y (http://youtu.be/Pr3QJP_53-Y)

The footage is ungraded. The H.264 was shot with the cloudy WB setting and Picture style with reduced contrast and saturation.

If it wasn't raining, I would have gotten some nicer beauty shots but this clip does a decent job of demonstrating the enhanced detail in the distance.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on May 30, 2013, 08:02:09 AM
@saeed2vfx: you don't open these files in photoshop - they are not .RAW 32BPC HDR files that it supports. You need to convert it to a DNG sequence using RAW2DNG (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0"). Once you have the sequence, you can import it into After Effects or other editing/compositing suite (subject to support for DNG sequences) and start playing around with it.

thanks for reply

I know this is video !! But in my laptop, just Photoshop know this file...

I have not Mac , Can you get me a free software for convert these file in PC ??  :-\
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Teejo on May 30, 2013, 09:33:29 AM
thanks for reply

I know this is video !! But in my laptop, just Photoshop know this file...

I have not Mac , Can you get me a free software for convert these file in PC ??  :-\

RAW2DNG is also for PC (and Linux). Check the post here for the downloadlink:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on May 30, 2013, 09:50:09 AM
RAW2DNG is also for PC (and Linux). Check the post here for the downloadlink:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0)

very very thanks my friend  :-*
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Skorpio89 on May 30, 2013, 09:55:18 AM
A test make on high ISO value comparison to h.264... 1600 - 3200 - 6400 ... without and with noise reduction on camera raw...


i record it on 1280x720 - no skiped frames, max 187 frames...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 30, 2013, 01:32:54 PM
What does actually the "DS_STORE File" do or stand for?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 30, 2013, 01:36:22 PM
it's a hidden file from Mac, you can delete it

What does actually the "DS_STORE File" do or stand for?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 30, 2013, 01:37:17 PM
there is a new raw2dng with fixed banding

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all

RAW2DNG is also for PC (and Linux). Check the post here for the downloadlink:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 30, 2013, 01:52:48 PM
it's a hidden file from Mac, you can delete it

Ok, thanks :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 30, 2013, 03:04:03 PM
I noticed some hot/dead pixels on DNG files..

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgdXZGUUc0VTRVMEE/edit?usp=sharing

the only way to remove it is hot/dead pixel filter in RawTherapee
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on May 30, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed this, but when you zoom in to 5x mode in live-view and then fiddle with ML RAW Video settings, it actually allows you to capture huge frames up to 2.5K width... But it obviously fills the buffer real fast, I managed only ~60 frames or so while 1280x544 goes on for nearly 800...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on May 30, 2013, 07:10:59 PM
there is a new raw2dng with fixed banding

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all

What banding? If I brighten up an ISO 100 image, it gets noisy but there's no pattern noise I can see. I do have a darkframe subtracted from it, so that could be why. The darkframe cured my magenta problems...
Title: 60D fieldtest
Post by: madmats on May 30, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
Hi!

I saw the 60D hack this weekend and decided to take it for a spin at a real fieldtest.
At the time when I installed it on my memorycards, the update#2 was the latest version of the hack, so I don't know what have changed since then.


See my fieldtest in the video below.
I present to you: Khoma at Gröna Lund in Sweden.

(Tamron 17-55mm 2.8 / ISO 200, 1/50, 2.8)


So I took my camera and three SanDisk Extreme 16GB 45MB/s, and one SanDisk Extreme Pro 16GB 95MB/s.
There proved to be no difference between that cards, since - as you know - the 60D only writes at a maximum speed of 20MB/s.

I filmed in 1280x544-resolution, in which I knew I wouldn't be able to record continuously - but I wanted to see how it would work out anyway.

My pre-tests showed that I could record 615-frames in that resolution on my memorycards - but what did surprice me was that I do have a few shots with over 670-frames. Don't ask me how that happened - all I know that it wasn't on the 95MB/s-card.

So what did I find out? Some of you may already have posted about this - I haven't read all posts.

The last shot on the card gets corrupt
 - It displays some error with the Header-or-something when the memorycard gets full, and the last shot does not convert to DNG at all.
The camera does not realize that the memorycard is full
 - It says [999]-exposures left even though the card is full

That's basically it. The 24-second clips those 615-frames provided for proved sufficient enough for a nice video, though I did miss a few opportunities waiting for the buffer que to empty. In this case the crop was no issue, rather the opposite.

It's all in all a decent raw-video-camera. Since most of us only produce for Vimeo or Youtube, not having FullHD raw isn't going to make this camera useless, I argue that the post-editing abilities of raw is a far more valued option, than having crappy lossy h264 in 1080p.
The upscale hides well in the 5MB/s compression on Vimeo anyway.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: madmats on May 30, 2013, 07:25:41 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed this, but when you zoom in to 5x mode in live-view and then fiddle with ML RAW Video settings, it actually allows you to capture huge frames up to 2.5K width... But it obviously fills the buffer real fast, I managed only ~60 frames or so while 1280x544 goes on for nearly 800...

What memorycards are you using when you get almost 800 frames? How many FPS? I get 615-frames with 25FPS, and 95MB/s memorycard - and I also get the same result with my 45MB/s cards!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on May 30, 2013, 11:26:43 PM
What memorycards are you using when you get almost 800 frames? How many FPS? I get 615-frames with 25FPS, and 95MB/s memorycard - and I also get the same result with my 45MB/s cards!
Well, I'm getting ~730+ frames at 1280x544 at 24FPS on my SanDisk Extreme Pro 32GB UHS-1 (up to 95 MB/s) card on the latest build. Pretty decent, I suppose...

Below is a screengrab from when I converted the sequences just now:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2013%2F150%2F6%2Fc%2F759frames_by_xquatrox-d676wgd.png&hash=6c1632d63e6e89797a0dee89656575bb)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: geodorno on May 31, 2013, 01:57:03 AM
Here are my first tests:

all @ 24fps, 2:3,5, S2 photo mode, global draw ON (magic zoom, working while recording ;)
Transcend 32gb SDHC Class 10

  960x408  -  200% to HD  -  continuous *
  960x540  -  200% to HD  -  3163 frames - 131,8s @ 24fps
1280x544  -  150% to HD  -  644 frames  -  26,8s @ 24fps
1600x680  -  120% to HD  -  225 frames  -  9,4s @ 24fps
1728x736  -  111% to HD  -  173 frames  -  7,2s @ 24fps

It's so nice to finally see the grain of my camara, and not some blocky compression artifacts!
I'm so happy with my Tokina 11-16 in this croppy days

Thanks so much to all the ML community!!! God just build a special heaven for you guys!!!

* (15,6mb/s, SD-card LED even stops lighting every few seconds, stopped at 4gb, didn't try exfat yet...)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on May 31, 2013, 02:20:02 AM
I guess it's safe to say that 32GB SanDisk Extreme Pro UHS-1 card is the best for 60D RAW so far?
I'm getting ~750 frames at 1280x544 24p
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 31, 2013, 03:36:36 AM
I guess it's safe to say that 32GB SanDisk Extreme Pro UHS-1 card is the best for 60D RAW so far?
I'm getting ~750 frames at 1280x544 24p

I was able to get 710 frames with  1280x544 @24 with a SanDisk extreme 16 gig UHS-1 class 10 45MB/s Really in the end we are all limited to the ~20 MB/s sd interface.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on May 31, 2013, 06:57:13 AM
Here are my first tests:

all @ 24fps, 2:3,5, S2 photo mode, global draw ON (magic zoom, working while recording ;)
Transcend 32gb SDHC Class 10

  960x408  -  200% to HD  -  continuous *
  960x540  -  200% to HD  -  3163 frames - 131,8s @ 24fps
1280x544  -  150% to HD  -  644 frames  -  26,8s @ 24fps
1600x680  -  120% to HD  -  225 frames  -  9,4s @ 24fps
1728x736  -  111% to HD  -  173 frames  -  7,2s @ 24fps

It's so nice to finally see the grain of my camara, and not some blocky compression artifacts!
I'm so happy with my Tokina 11-16 in this croppy days

Thanks so much to all the ML community!!! God just build a special heaven for you guys!!!

* (15,6mb/s, SD-card LED even stops lighting every few seconds, stopped at 4gb, didn't try exfat yet...)
wow 225 frames at 1600x900? are you getting more than 134 frames because of the build you are using i wonder? what nightly build are you using?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 07:04:46 AM
How many buffers and what sizes do you get? These are printed when starting recording (try to grab a screenshot if possible).

I've got 31.4*8 + 23, which is huge, compare to 5D3's 32*4...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nibbler19 on May 31, 2013, 07:34:55 AM
I decided to compare the available dynamic range of the RAW to the standard compressed footage by shooting a high contrast scene and bringing up the shadow brightness. The RAW video is grainier than I thought it would be in the shadows (with roughly 50% noise reduction), that being said, it still looks way better than the H.264.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 10:31:58 AM
Solved the boot issues, so you can now record raw with all other stuff enabled.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/aa25c804274a

Also, here's a simulation that tells you how many frames you are going to get with certain settings. I've used the numbers from this thread to check it and seems quite accurate.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/42196e77c62b
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 31, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Thanks !!!

Solved the boot issues, so you can now record raw with all other stuff enabled.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: geodorno on May 31, 2013, 11:15:44 AM
wow 225 frames at 1600x900? are you getting more than 134 frames because of the build you are using i wonder? what nightly build are you using?

hey,
notice, that its 1600x680, not x900... 2:3,5 aspect ratio
I like it and it helps with getting more frames...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: geodorno on May 31, 2013, 11:47:53 AM
How many buffers and what sizes do you get? These are printed when starting recording (try to grab a screenshot if possible).

I've got 31.4*8 + 23, which is huge, compare to 5D3's 32*4...

Hard to get the screenshot at the right moment. after 15 tries, i still can't get it at the right time...

I think this is 31*8 + 21

Is this the difference between 60d models?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F2lcvipt.jpg&hash=bf2fa721c2a85176a25391f63a8279c8)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: geodorno on May 31, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
Here are my first tests:

all @ 24fps, 2:3,5, S2 photo mode, global draw ON (magic zoom, working while recording ;)
Transcend 32gb SDHC Class 10

  960x408  -  200% to HD  -  continuous *
  960x540  -  200% to HD  -  3163 frames - 131,8s @ 24fps
1280x544  -  150% to HD  -  644 frames  -  26,8s @ 24fps
1600x680  -  120% to HD  -  225 frames  -  9,4s @ 24fps
1728x736  -  111% to HD  -  173 frames  -  7,2s @ 24fps

It's so nice to finally see the grain of my camara, and not some blocky compression artifacts!
I'm so happy with my Tokina 11-16 in this croppy days

Thanks so much to all the ML community!!! God just build a special heaven for you guys!!!

* (15,6mb/s, SD-card LED even stops lighting every few seconds, stopped at 4gb, didn't try exfat yet...)


Resolutions have changed a bit in newest build.
Similar Results...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: gerk.raisen on May 31, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
It's strange, but why every time I restart the camera (autoload module = ON) the RAW_REC module return to default settings: 16/9 and separated beep, instead of my previous 3/2 + separate wave?
Is possible to store these settings?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 31, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
Thanks !!!

@marekk
Are these already in the nightly builds or do you have to compile a new version of 60D_RAW?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on May 31, 2013, 03:48:03 PM
hey,
notice, that its 1600x680, not x900... 2:3,5 aspect ratio
I like it and it helps with getting more frames...
at 1600x900 I get 148 frames on 60d Sandisk Extreme 45/mbs hci iu 10 . This is the second full build that would be attached. Marekk if you could upload another updated full build that would be good. You get extra buffers if you set the stills to s3 jpeg in the still menu. It does not effect the video just free's up more buffer space.  A cool idea would be to some how set s3 when recording starts and put it back to the previous value after so when switching to stills we don't mess up and shoot a shoot at s3. :D That would be bad.

I believe it is 27m+31m+31m+31m+31m+31m+31m+31m+31m+21  although it goes away so fast I cant tell if its 7 31m or 6 or 8. LOL
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 31, 2013, 04:24:44 PM
Some frames rates (30/5/2013 build) @23.976:

Sandisk Extreme Pro 8GB SDHC [1] 45MB/s
16x9 - 960x544 = 7222
1.85 - 960x544 = 7330

Transcend 16GB SDHC Class 10
16x9 - 960x544 = 4118
1.85 - 960x544 = 4118

31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+23M
Sandisk - 21.5/6 Mb/s
Transcend - 19.5 Mb/s

So quite a difference depending on which card you use!
& I don't always get the same frame amounts each time on the Sandisk.
I'm using this resolution as i'm quite liking how it upscales & you can actually film something - only downside is that you have to keep @ around 100iso (a little sensor noise is fine, too much becomes...well, too much).

I've also found that once i've converted DNGs to TIFF & make a .Mov file QT7 gives perfect playback, but MPEGStreamclip slows everything down to just under 3/4speed (QT7: 2.26, MPEG: 3.54) - might be good for slow-mo stuff?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: geodorno on May 31, 2013, 04:45:03 PM
i uploaded a test to vimeo:


here is the prores 422HQ for download:
we.tl/usBIv1EgCn

you can defenitly say something about DR and noise!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on May 31, 2013, 04:59:18 PM
With the new version is it possible to create HDR raw videos ---> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8lywoskniwf555r/000012_3_tonemapped.jpg ---> quick test 1728x992. Could be very interesting for time lapse photographers  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on May 31, 2013, 06:14:01 PM
Solved the boot issues, so you can now record raw with all other stuff enabled.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/aa25c804274a

Also, here's a simulation that tells you how many frames you are going to get with certain settings. I've used the numbers from this thread to check it and seems quite accurate.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/42196e77c62b
Wow, thank you, I can't wait to try it out when a new bin is up.  :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on May 31, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
I've just uploaded ML for 60D with raw_rec and file_man :) It works :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: philerskine on May 31, 2013, 06:42:03 PM
I decided to compare the available dynamic range of the RAW to the standard compressed footage by shooting a high contrast scene and bringing up the shadow brightness. The RAW video is grainier than I thought it would be in the shadows (with roughly 50% noise reduction), that being said, it still looks way better than the H.264.

I don't think it's grainier really, I think you can just see the noise. H.264 just looks like it smudges the noise out and takes all the detail and colours with it :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 31, 2013, 07:02:01 PM
I don't think it's grainier really, I think you can just see the noise. H.264 just looks like it smudges the noise out and takes all the detail and colours with it :)

H.264 uses a deblocking filter, not a noise filter.
http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreview/trev_293-schaefer.pdf
Page 7.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 31, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
I've just uploaded ML for 60D with raw_rec and file_man :) It works :)

@ marekk   And where did you hide it?   ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ghosts on May 31, 2013, 08:09:10 PM
Long time lurker saying hello :)

marekk and everyone working on this, you are Gods amongst mEn!

I've just noticed something, I had my camera on ML ISO values (ISO 85 I believe) and was ETTR, and RAW video doesn't really like negative values, the highlights get magenta easily and you won't be able to touch them! Just in case it happens to anyone else :)


This is a known issue, not new to ML but it's more easily noticible on RAW video if you're not careful.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on May 31, 2013, 08:30:03 PM
@ marekk   And where did you hide it?   ;D

not marekk but here. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.0)

note: update #6
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: driftwood on May 31, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
Can everyone confirm via their DNG files (open one in photoshop raw menu) they are getting greater than 8bit RAW on Marreks -with LV_AF_RAW (not recomended but removes dead/hot pixels) update 6 or 5?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ghosts on May 31, 2013, 09:19:51 PM
Testing sharpness and contrast at 1728x736

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on May 31, 2013, 10:39:37 PM
The latest build works fine here.  :D

I wonder why LV_AF_RAW isn't recommended?

Does the Hack setting have any effect?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on May 31, 2013, 10:56:35 PM
Latest nightly build 31-5-2013 and update #6 doesn't work for me!
Tried several resolutions @25FPS but all RAW's won't open/convert.

raw2dng converter GUI for OsX
Beta ver.0.5
Error: API version mismatch: -502731648

ls: *.dng: No such file or directory
Nothing converted


Edit: did start all over again, same result!


raw2dng converter GUI for OsX
Beta ver.0.10
/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/M31-2311.RAW File Supported
Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: driftwood on May 31, 2013, 11:15:18 PM
OK so it is 14 bit but Photoshop only supports 8 or 16 bit. Use 16 bit to mess with. Gonna have to ensure AE is doing the same.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on June 01, 2013, 08:29:40 AM
My first real movie:
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: lmf on June 01, 2013, 10:25:06 AM

5.5G of RAW video can not be transferred with RAW2dng.exe DNG sequence,Is there any way around this?
This is the picture link
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2jTfLSVyAKkeHlsbXBWdGZrVzQ/edit

My machine is 60D, using the UPDATE # 6:
Compiled 31-05-2013
  with LV_AF_RAW (not recomended but removes dead / hot pixels)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgaGJXOEJGaGRXaUU/edit?usp=sharing

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vroem on June 01, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
ML can only produce 14-bit raw. This is the same on all cameras that ML supports, this is also the format of all EOS sensors.

14-bit RAW means 14 bits/px with bayer pattern.
8-bit in Photoshop means 24 bits/px RGB. (Also called R'G'B' 4:4:4 in the video universe) Lean what it means

OK so it is 14 bit but Photoshop only supports 8 or 16 bit. Use 16 bit to mess with. Gonna have to ensure AE is doing the same.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 01, 2013, 11:02:52 AM
ML can only produce 14-bit raw. This is the same on all cameras that ML supports, this is also the format of all EOS sensors.

14-bit RAW means 14 bits/px with bayer pattern.
8-bit in Photoshop means 24 bits/px RGB. (Also called R'G'B' 4:4:4 in the video universe) Lean what it means

In the video world there are 8-(amateur), 10- and 12-bits (both pro) formats. And the bits are for each color (RGB or YUV).
And videocamera's/codecs have different subsampling: 4:1:1, 4:2:0, 4:2:1, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on June 01, 2013, 11:26:02 AM
I tried:
Quote
UPDATE # 6:
Compiled 31-05-2013
  with LV_AF_RAW (not recomended but removes dead / hot pixels)
But it crashed when loading the module.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vroem on June 01, 2013, 12:10:27 PM
In the video world there are 8-(amateur), 10- and 12-bits (both pro) formats. And the bits are for each color (RGB or YUV).
And videocamera's/codecs have different subsampling: 4:1:1, 4:2:0, 4:2:1, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4!
I was just saying that comparing 14-bit RAW with 8-bit RGB is like comparing apples and oranges.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: driftwood on June 01, 2013, 12:52:30 PM
  A series of people vignettes from the Canon 60D 14bit lv RAW.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 01, 2013, 01:20:32 PM

Test video shot with lv_af_raw, 1600x704 resized to 1280x544..
In each clip there was a one broken frame (with a lot of magenta) ~1 second from start.

I will try to test without lv_af_raw, it enables edge detection, maybe it's to much for cpu.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on June 01, 2013, 02:10:06 PM





My first "nature documentary" with raw video (Time Lapse in the forest) https://vimeo.com/67452326 (https://vimeo.com/67452326)  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on June 01, 2013, 03:20:11 PM
I will try to test without lv_af_raw, it enables edge detection, maybe it's to much for cpu.
Does the camera load the module without crashing for you?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 01, 2013, 04:23:30 PM
Yes, it works. Replace all files in modules directory, incl. magic.sym

Does the camera load the module without crashing for you?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: alestemple on June 01, 2013, 04:30:43 PM
Working fine!  ;)

Test video without color correction:

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tomnewmann on June 01, 2013, 06:19:19 PM

Test video shot with lv_af_raw, 1600x704 resized to 1280x544..
In each clip there was a one broken frame (with a lot of magenta) ~1 second from start.

I will try to test without lv_af_raw, it enables edge detection, maybe it's to much for cpu.

Same here. I am getting couple "magenda" frames on my footage.

31/05/13 build with lv_af_raw, 1280×720, SanDisk Extreme 32gb 45ms/s

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg834.imageshack.us%2Fimg834%2F6569%2F000018t.jpg&hash=eb0c8c7749d8d98aa62cf9dc48fbe88b)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: NickRamey on June 02, 2013, 12:32:39 AM
Same here. I am getting couple "magenda" frames on my footage.

31/05/13 build with lv_af_raw, 1280×720, SanDisk Extreme 32gb 45ms/s

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg834.imageshack.us%2Fimg834%2F6569%2F000018t.jpg&hash=eb0c8c7749d8d98aa62cf9dc48fbe88b)

I ONLY CAN GET A BLACK AND WHITE FUZZY SCREEN! What do I do??
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Teo Lee on June 02, 2013, 03:03:39 AM
I have a Sandisk(Class 10) 32GB 95MB/s and two Sandisk(Class 10) 8GB 30MB/s.
All the memory cards showed me this message "Movie Recording Has Stopped Automatically" when I shot about 5 second.
Is there anybody who has same problem with me?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on June 02, 2013, 03:19:10 AM
What resolution and framerate are you shooting at?

960x540 at 24fps works on most decently fast cards.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Teo Lee on June 02, 2013, 07:17:47 AM
The resolution and framerate were 1728x736 and 24fps.   :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on June 02, 2013, 07:41:37 AM
When adjusting the framerate, it should say along the bottom of the screen what the write speed will be. Keep it under 20, and it'll probably be fine.

My Transcend 16 gig class 10 works at 960x540 24, as I said before. It benchmarks at 20 MB/s.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vovaja on June 02, 2013, 11:59:47 AM
sorry for the stupid question. I have a 60d. anymore have guarantee. is it possible to physically increase the buffer in my camera?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on June 02, 2013, 03:32:03 PM
sorry for the stupid question. I have a 60d. anymore have guarantee. is it possible to physically increase the buffer in my camera?

No.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 02, 2013, 03:35:14 PM
I was just saying that comparing 14-bit RAW with 8-bit RGB is like comparing apples and oranges.

It's more like different tastes between apples.
8-bit RGB means that each pixel has a bit-depth of 8 bits , giving a range from 0-255 for each channel,
and a total RGB color depth of 16777216.
14-bit RAW obviously has a wider color gamut and image and metadata are seperated.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 02, 2013, 04:31:38 PM
Nightly build 2-6-2013 plus update #6 -without LV_AF_RAW:

960 x 480 @25FPS

Does work as long as I stop recording manually.
If the buffer overruns at 14xx frames the RAW's cannot be processed.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on June 02, 2013, 05:48:29 PM
Hello all,

sorry for being a noob and slightly off topic... I currently have ML v2.3 installed. Do I need to reformat my cards and set my camera back to factory before installing the nightly builds?

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on June 02, 2013, 06:06:09 PM
Hello all,

sorry for being a noob and slightly off topic... I currently have ML v2.3 installed. Do I need to reformat my cards and set my camera back to factory before installing the nightly builds?

Thanks

No, Just replace autoexec.bin in root folder and place "modules" in ML folder.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on June 02, 2013, 09:03:02 PM
No, Just replace autoexec.bin in root folder and place "modules" in ML folder.

Awesome!! Thanks so much!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 02, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
This question is for any developers that might read this:

Is it possible to get some different ratios, as the jump from (16:9) 960x544 to 1280x720 is huge!
With 960x544 i'm getting a steady 7680 frames or 5mins recording (1280x720 is only 350frames/15secs), so a bit bigger ratio might mean better quality & actuality reaching minutes of recording (1,2,3,4...) instead of seconds.

Also, the Mb/s shown whilst recording is all at a steady 19.6, even for 960x544 & for this it used to be 20.1Mb/s -so what's happened here?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 03, 2013, 12:24:54 AM
This question is for any developers that might read this:

Is it possible to get some different ratios, as the jump from (16:9) 960x544 to 1280x720 is huge!
With 960x544 i'm getting a steady 7680 frames or 5mins recording (1280x720 is only 350frames/15secs), so a bit bigger ratio might mean better quality & actuality reaching minutes of recording (1,2,3,4...) instead of seconds.

Also, the Mb/s shown whilst recording is all at a steady 19.6, even for 960x544 & for this it used to be 20.1Mb/s -so what's happened here?

If I try 960 x 544 @ 24 FPS or @24FPS the maximum frame count is just over 1400.
Using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SD card (32GB/95MB/s).

Do you use special settings/tweaks?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 03, 2013, 05:43:55 AM
What I've noticed when working with RAW footage in After Effects is that AE treats the DNG's as proper RAW files even in 8BPC comps, meaning that any levels or curves adjustments actually work as exposure adjustments (say if I darken up the footage - the highlights don't become grey and the darker parts of the image darken up before the lighter ones, if this makes sense) as opposed to a linear degradation in colors when working with actual 8-Bit footage (unless of course HDR Highlight Compressor is used on the RAW or something). That is really neat for precise CC and grading.

And just for those not-so-tech-geeks out there:
8-bit Per Channel color means Red Green and Blue (and Alpha if present) values are described in 8 bits of information per pixel in each channel (32bits total RGB), which is 256 values (0-255, just as we are used to).
14-bit Per Channel DNG frames that we get here should in theory hold up to 16384 values per pixel in each channel, which is 64 times more data than the 8BPC color space.
Pros of RAW video? 4:4:4 color sampling + exposure adjustments for detail recovery = fucking awesome!
:)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 03, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
If I try 960 x 544 @ 24 FPS or @24FPS the maximum frame count is just over 1400.
Using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SD card (32GB/95MB/s).

Do you use special settings/tweaks?


I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC 1 (8gb 45MB/s).
I turn everything off in ML as well as Global Draw.
Also, if you don't set FPS Override it will record @ 23.976 natively (I only set FPS Override @ 24 when using x5 Zoom).

Also, there are different versions of the 60D & by that i mean the older ones made circa 2011 behave differently to the newer versions - no one knows why or what has changed in the manufacture of the 60D.
I use a 60D from 2011 & seem to get more Frames.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 03, 2013, 04:21:59 PM
Also, there are different versions of the 60D & by that i mean the older ones made circa 2011 behave differently to the newer versions - no one knows why or what has changed in the manufacture of the 60D.
I use a 60D from 2011 & seem to get more Frames.

Weird, I did buy my 60D also in november 2011!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 03, 2013, 04:47:21 PM
Weird, I did buy my 60D also in november 2011!

Hmmm Strange!
I got mine in April 2011.
Perhaps it might be region specific & no one has really investigated any further than there seems to be a marked difference between people's 60Ds.

Try a different SD card & see what results you get.
Also, i'm getting best results in 16:9 & also 2.35:1.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: theollybanks on June 03, 2013, 06:20:05 PM
I've been messing around with this amazing new feature of Magic Lantern, the upscales from 1280x720 are just stunning, take H.264 and bin it! Not literally obviously it still has its uses...

Obviously the detailing in the comparison shot's are out of this world, a quick word on my setup:
Canon 60D (Purchased in 2012)
SanDisk 16GB Extreme 45mb/s
Pentax Super-Takumar 50 mm F/1.4
1280x720 RAW_REC
RAW2DNG to After Effects, Graded & Sharpened by a factor of 50

I used FilmConvert Pro, and selected the gamma profile "Canon Generic Technicolor" although I know the picture profile has no impact on the RAW_REC output it seemed to yield a much nicer grade in FilmConvert!


(EDIT:My critical focus point on the comparison was the brown leaf in centre frame and I was stopped down on the Pentax to f/2.8)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Monticapone on June 03, 2013, 08:59:17 PM
Did a really small video with a friend this Weekend with 1280x720, 24fps.
It really does not Showcase the RAW abilities too well, but well ist something ;)

I recorded a lot more and will edit and upload that too, as soon as I get to it.

But my short tests (Nightly build 1st June, 31.05 RAW module) had the following results:
960x544 constant recording, no dropped Frames 'til about 7400 Frames.
1280x720 about 13 seconds recording times.

All in all the Image Quality is really awesome and the post flexibility is incredible. But the post workflow is a nightmare (maybe only cause I used the 0.9 Version of Raw2DNG, where you have to drop every RAW file in there at once)...but still, this is incredible!
One question though: I can only record cropped, so I have the window in there which would equal the 1280x720 Pixels. Is there any way to record the whole imageframe?

Thanks a lot to the whole ML Team and all other devs!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on June 03, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
So I just got back from shooting some raw walking around Fort McHenry in Baltimore and noticed my internal temp got up to 60 degrees C after shooting a bunch. it was about 78 degrees (F) outside and quite humid. Is this normal? I shut it off and it cooled back down to around 37 C pretty quick. What's causing the heat to increase? The buffer writing to the SD card? Is this something to be worried about?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 03, 2013, 11:22:33 PM
Just did some quick 60D testing around the office. Importing the footage now so I'll show the tests. Was able to record about 300 frames at a time on a 32gb 30mbs Sandisk. Is anyone having any luck with higher sizes on the 45mbs or 90mbs? They are having a sale today so I'll pick up a higher speed if it means longer record times.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 12:42:57 AM
Just did some quick 60D testing around the office. Importing the footage now so I'll show the tests. Was able to record about 300 frames at a time on a 32gb 30mbs Sandisk. Is anyone having any luck with higher sizes on the 45mbs or 90mbs? They are having a sale today so I'll pick up a higher speed if it means longer record times.

You forgot to mention the resolution you used!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 04, 2013, 12:45:36 AM
You forgot to mention the resolution you used!

Oops. 1280x720. Uploading my test now to Vimeo. Looks fantastic. Not quite the 5Dmk3 at 1080 but still fantastic. I ordered a 95mbs Sandisk for overnight delivery. Well see if that helps get the resolution up or if it's a camera limitation.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 04, 2013, 01:13:04 AM
Here's the video:

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Botasky on June 04, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
UPDATE #6 / Transcend 16GB class 10 566x

Resolution  : 1600 x 736
Frames      : 140

-----------------------------------------------------

Why I haven't got this on UPDATE #1-4 ?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.ohozaa.com%2Fi%2F8b8%2Fhv4ISh.jpg&hash=624099f2e14544f51d76416e02864370)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on June 04, 2013, 06:16:17 AM
All in all the Image Quality is really awesome and the post flexibility is incredible. But the post workflow is a nightmare (maybe only cause I used the 0.9 Version of Raw2DNG, where you have to drop every RAW file in there at once)...

My workflow is to put all the RAW in the same folder, write a .bat file to batch convert all of them to DNG

the .bat file is like
raw2dng M04-1206.RAW 1206
raw2dng M04-1207.RAW 1207
raw2dng M04-1208.RAW 1208

by doing so, all the RAW will be converted and adding a prefix to the DNG, you can tell from the prefix where is the video sequence it is coming from
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 04, 2013, 09:08:16 AM
Oops. 1280x720. Uploading my test now to Vimeo. Looks fantastic. Not quite the 5Dmk3 at 1080 but still fantastic. I ordered a 95mbs Sandisk for overnight delivery. Well see if that helps get the resolution up or if it's a camera limitation.

It's not necessary buy extreme pro (95 mbs) sd card. Eos 60D is sdhc compatible only then writing speed is about 21 mbs on this camera. A sandisk extreme 45 mbs is enough.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: WorkFl0w on June 04, 2013, 12:14:27 PM
Hey guys.

I use the Canon 60D with the Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 VC and the Rode VideoMic Pro.
Now when i´m shooting in RAW (1280x720 (16:9)) i always get some lila or pinky images ?

Settings Camera: ISO 320, F/2.8, 1/50, 25 FPS

Settings Cinestyle:
Sharpness: 0
Contrast: -4
Saturation: -2
Color Tone: 0

Also the sharpness is very creepy ?

http://up.picr.de/14726108of.jpg

http://up.picr.de/14726154wx.jpg
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 04, 2013, 12:27:33 PM
I don't think there is a way you can use picture styles while shooting RAW :) So... it's not the cinestyle... Can you try shooting in exact fps - 24fps so it would show you 24.000?


BTW I'm currently shooting 1280 x 720 RAW for 307 frames. Weird thing is that 307 divided by 24fps = around 12.smthn seconds. In AE I get around 10 seconds of footage. Anyone know why is that?!

Also - can anybody say if it would be possible to use the whole sensor and shoot in 720p without cropping the picture? The way that the normal movie mode does?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 12:55:25 PM
Also - can anybody say if it would be possible to use the whole sensor and shoot in 720p without cropping the picture? The way that the normal movie mode does?

ML RAW captures LiveView straight from the sensor, bypassing any hardware/software. That gives you 1728 x 972 pixels on the 60D and of course no Picture Profile!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kgv5 on June 04, 2013, 01:03:53 PM
I don't think there is a way you can use picture styles while shooting RAW :) So... it's not the cinestyle... Can you try shooting in exact fps - 24fps so it would show you 24.000?


BTW I'm currently shooting 1280 x 720 RAW for 307 frames. Weird thing is that 307 divided by 24fps = around 12.smthn seconds. In AE I get around 10 seconds of footage. Anyone know why is that?!

Also - can anybody say if it would be possible to use the whole sensor and shoot in 720p without cropping the picture? The way that the normal movie mode does?

Seems yor AE default framerate is 30 or so, you have to clck on the footage with right mouse button (in browser) and find an option interpret footage. Than change to 24 and here it is.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 01:07:19 PM
Canon 60D, made in 2011
Card: Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC I 95MB/s
ML 2.3 stable plus any latest nightly build (4-6-2013 today) plus 60D_raw_rec_31052013

960 x 544 @ 25 FPS, S3
Global draw: OFF
Alloc: 31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+23M
Camera/ML crashes at 1457 frames while buffer only shows <***....>

The RAW file can't be processed after a crash, but can be processed when I manually stop the recording before frame 1400 or so has been reached.

With a videocamera I recorded several times the 60D screen so was able to see that when frame 1457 was written, ML/60D crashes without any error number.

Anyone any idea(s)?

Note: getting the same 'results' with Lexar Professional 400x speed 16GB 60MB/s
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 04, 2013, 01:52:20 PM
ML RAW captures LiveView straight from the sensor, bypassing any hardware/software. That gives you 1728 x 972 pixels on the 60D and of course no Picture Profile!

Probably you didn't get my question right.
When you compare 1080p h.264 and 720p h.264 footage - there is no cropping (picture looks the same, the only difference is the resolution).
BUT if you try to compare 1728x972 RAW to 1280x720 RAW - the 1280x720 looks like a cropped version of the 1728x972 RAW - that's why we get those cropmarks in live view... the outcome looks kinda like you digitally zoomed in.

What I'm asking is if it would be possible to use the full sensor size and get a 1280x720 RAW from it, instead of cropping it. I know that this would introduce moire and aliasing, but the way it is now when i shoot with 17mm lens it looks like it's being 25mm or smthn.

@kgv5 Thanks dude, dunno why I missed that!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Probably you didn't get my question right. .............???
What I'm asking is if it would be possible to use the full sensor size and get a 1280x720 RAW from it, instead of cropping it. I know that this would introduce moire and aliasing, but the way it is now when i shoot with 17mm lens it looks like it's being 25mm or smthn.

Nope, all resolutions are cropped: 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ribeirosantos on June 04, 2013, 03:19:44 PM
Hi,

From the http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/ (http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/), in Today's changes there are some changes to 60D, so I downloaded/installed ML but could not find "Modules". The folder modules exists with raw_rec.mo, magic.sym and file_man.mo files.

To work with lastest build (for RAW recording) on 60D we have to wait for update #7 in this post, rigth?

Thanks a lot,
Ribeiro Santos
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on June 04, 2013, 03:27:25 PM
To work with lastest build (for RAW recording) on 60D we have to wait for update #7 in this post, rigth?

I think you can just manually create the "modules" folder and put those files inside
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on June 04, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
Hi,

From the http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/ (http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/), in Today's changes there are some changes to 60D, so I downloaded/installed ML but could not find "Modules". The folder modules exists with raw_rec.mo, magic.sym and file_man.mo files.

To work with lastest build (for RAW recording) on 60D we have to wait for update #7 in this post, rigth?

Thanks a lot,
Ribeiro Santos

Nightly build is different from RAW build for 60D development - I think? Mareek?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 04, 2013, 03:32:11 PM
Yes it is different, we'll just have to wait for Marekk to make a new build
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
If you look at the filesize of marekk's autoexec.bin it is a lot smaller than the stable ML version 2.3
He just left out a lot of options in autoexec.bin to make it work on the 60D and added the modules.

You can still use the autoexec.bin and modules from:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgWjdRQ2EwM1VnQlk/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ribeirosantos on June 04, 2013, 03:49:36 PM
Wow! Thanks a lot by the quick response :)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 04, 2013, 07:02:59 PM
Bit of an ISO vs Grain/Sensor Noise test.
Not very interesting, but the results surprised me so i thought i'd share them.
Also, I never liked looking at those blackish tests, so wanted a more real world test.

So only natural light used & moved the variable/fluid preset aperture ring to make sure the light was the same throughout all ISO settings. You'll immediately notice the difference between the Canon Native (100, 200etc...) & the multiples of 160.

Everything filmed @: 16:9 1728x922 @ 23.976 + 108frames
All graded the same.
& I left the frame tears in (which were all produced @ multiples of 160).

(just noticed that Vimeo compression ruins it, but you can download)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 04, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
I've just uploaded a new build of ML for 60D with raw_rec, file manager and picture viewer. We can now view DNG and RAW files.
autoexec.bin is smaller because it's only for 60D. Autoexec.bin from nighty build includes bins for all cameras.
All options are now included in autoexec.bin but if you want to install new version with fresh raw_rec module you should to compile ML with modules option enabled.

If you look at the filesize of marekk's autoexec.bin it is a lot smaller than the stable ML version 2.3
He just left out a lot of options in autoexec.bin to make it work on the 60D and added the modules.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
Shooting 960 x 544 @ 25 FPS, S3
Global draw: OFF
Camera/ML crashes at 1457 frames while buffer only shows <***....>
Crashed 960 RAW's can't be opened/processed.

So I did some (SD-card) testing with higher resolution.

All tests @25FPS.

SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9       275 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1    295 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1      346 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1   420 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1   524 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1   524 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1   630 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1   734 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9         108 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9        315 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1     335 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1       486 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1    516 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1    659 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1    659 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1    791 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1    1078 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9           108 frames

The difference between 1280x432px 3:1 on the two SD-cards is remarkeble!
At that resolution the Lexar gives all the time the same results, however the SanDisk grabs twice as much frames!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 04, 2013, 09:14:30 PM
I've just uploaded a new build of ML for 60D with raw_rec, file manager and picture viewer. We can now view DNG and RAW files.

Play back of RAW video is black and white?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 04, 2013, 09:36:07 PM
yes

Play back of RAW video is black and white?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 04, 2013, 10:13:52 PM
Thanks Marekk

and Kotik thanks for the SD card stats. Very helpful.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Marsu42 on June 04, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
Yippee, I also got it compiled and working on 60 :-) ...

... but raw2dng tool compilation fails, has anyone else had this problem on Windows (I use mingw32 x86 (mingw-w64 doesnt work at all)) - doh.

[ MODULE   ]   raw_rec.mo
[ GCC      ]   raw2dng
[ GCC      ]   raw2dng
../lv_rec/raw2dng.c: In function 'main':
../lv_rec/raw2dng.c:38:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'fseeko' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
[ GCC      ]   raw2dng
raw2dng.o:raw2dng.c:(.text.startup+0x58): undefined reference to `fseeko'
collect2.exe: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [raw2dng] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/ml/ml-trunk/modules/raw_rec'
make: *** [all] Error 2
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 04, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
I had to install gcc-multilib on ubuntu to compile raw2dng but on Windows... I really don't know ;)))

Yippee, I also got it compiled and working on 60 :-) ...

... but raw2dng tool compilation fails, has anyone else had this problem on Windows (I use mingw32 x86 (mingw-w64 doesnt work at all)) - doh.

[ MODULE   ]   raw_rec.mo
[ GCC      ]   raw2dng
[ GCC      ]   raw2dng
../lv_rec/raw2dng.c: In function 'main':
../lv_rec/raw2dng.c:38:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'fseeko' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
[ GCC      ]   raw2dng
raw2dng.o:raw2dng.c:(.text.startup+0x58): undefined reference to `fseeko'
collect2.exe: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [raw2dng] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/ml/ml-trunk/modules/raw_rec'
make: *** [all] Error 2
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Marsu42 on June 04, 2013, 11:26:57 PM
I had to install gcc-multilib on ubuntu to compile raw2dng but on Windows

Thanks, at least now I know why the compile also fails on my Linux x86_64 vm :-p ...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: day2 on June 05, 2013, 12:00:46 AM
Hello,

I am having an issue. Whenever I try to process the footage in AE it get this error after hitting import. "After Effects error: the file format module could not parse the file. ( 45 :: 35 )" I followed all of the instructions of this tutorial:

I am not sure what I am doing wrong. Any help would be most appreciated.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on June 05, 2013, 08:55:34 AM
Hello,

I am having an issue. Whenever I try to process the footage in AE it get this error after hitting import. "After Effects error: the file format module could not parse the file. ( 45 :: 35 )" I followed all of the instructions of this tutorial:

I am not sure what I am doing wrong. Any help would be most appreciated.

what footage?

you should convert 'raw' file to dng , then use in AE  ;)

try with this :
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 05, 2013, 01:23:44 PM
I was tired of opening the SD card on my Mac, copying the ML RAW files to my Desktop, drop them on raw2dng en delete the old RAW files on my Desktop.
I'm not a software programmer but made this possible with Apple's Automator.

1. Insert the SD-card
2. Start the Automator "ML RAW 2 DNG v0.01" task and the program will find the RAW files on your SD-card!
3. Wait till the RAW files are copied to a folder on your desktop named "ML RAW - {year}{month}{day}" and processed by raw2dng.
4. Press "Yes" to delete or "No" to keep the RAW files in the "ML RAW - {year}{month}{day}" folder.

Have fun!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6VUdellP9ybQXE3WkdCWngyYUU/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: day2 on June 05, 2013, 05:15:29 PM
what footage?

you should convert 'raw' file to dng , then use in AE  ;)

try with this :
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0

I did process the raw files to get a dng sequence. Now when I try to bring that sequence into AE I get that error.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 05, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
I did process the raw files to get a dng sequence. Now when I try to bring that sequence into AE I get that error.

Try opening a DNG in PhotoShop. Your RAW file is possibly corrupted if the DNG converter can't open it!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 05, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
@ Marekk.

Thanks for the newest compile, looking good.
Just got continuous recording with 2.35:1 @ 960x416, it didn't even break sweat - 1 star flashing & 15.6MB/s (stopped after 13000 frames). And this was on a Transcend 16gb class 10 SD card.

I think we need some more crop sizes that are around the 1000x... mark for longer recording times & better resolution.
Just nobody seems up for implementing them for our crippled cameras!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on June 05, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
I was tired of opening the SD card on my Mac, copying the ML RAW files to my Desktop, drop them on raw2dng en delete the old RAW files on my Desktop.
I'm not a software programmer but made this possible with Apple's Automator.

1. Insert the SD-card
2. Start the Automator "ML RAW 2 DNG v0.01" task and the program will find the RAW files on your SD-card!
3. Wait till the RAW files are copied to a folder on your desktop named "ML RAW - {year}{month}{day}" and processed by raw2dng.
4. Press "Yes" to delete or "No" to keep the RAW files in the "ML RAW - {year}{month}{day}" folder.

Have fun!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6VUdellP9ybQXE3WkdCWngyYUU/edit?usp=sharing

wow! can you made another version for windows??

I have many idea for ML (in camera) where I can say my idea??
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 05, 2013, 07:05:25 PM
wow! can you made another version for windows??

If Microsoft did have a build-in OS program like AppleScript/Automator I could!  8)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: saeed2vfx on June 05, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
If Microsoft did have a build-in OS program like AppleScript/Automator I could!  8)

http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/

I know, you can !  ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 05, 2013, 09:22:44 PM
Of course I trust Magic Lantern a little too much after my tests on Monday and shot some paid work yesterday with it. And now I can't any of my RAW files to read after they are converted to DNGs. Are they corrupted? Any way to salvage these? I have about 50 clips that won't open anywhere. Tried on PC and Mac. Same issues. Any solution would be a lifesaver at this point.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: xenocide38 on June 05, 2013, 11:29:18 PM
Anyone know what's causing the pink/corrupted digital garbage?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 01:04:13 AM
Just remember that you are all Alpha testing something & it isn't the finished article by a long shot!
Read the threads for 600D & 550D, as there is some useful info in them that could answer some of your questions.

Also, this thread will help a great deal with reducing sensor noise when using smaller crops of 960x544 etc...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6076.0
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 06, 2013, 01:35:48 AM
Just remember that you are all Alpha testing something & it isn't the finished article by a long shot!
Read the threads for 600D & 550D, as there is some useful info in them that could answer some of your questions.

Also, this thread will help a great deal with reducing sensor noise when using smaller crops of 960x544 etc...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6076.0

Oh I understand. Doesn't mean it isn't frustrating to lose work. Risk and rewards for sure.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on June 06, 2013, 02:03:24 AM
Just remember that you are all Alpha testing something & it isn't the finished article by a long shot!
Read the threads for 600D & 550D, as there is some useful info in them that could answer some of your questions.

Also, this thread will help a great deal with reducing sensor noise when using smaller crops of 960x544 etc...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6076.0

The link you gave was about ETTR and has nothing to do with the corruption (pink burst). And besides ETTR is not yet implemented on 60D. What's the point bud?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on June 06, 2013, 03:26:08 AM
Anyone know what's causing the pink/corrupted digital garbage?


1. On my tests with update #7 (not on update #6), I see the same corruption on 1280x720 (stopped at 197 frames)
2. 960x544 is the best resolution for our 60D's, 1 or 2 frame skipping. There's no consistency yet on my testing and my own opinion(a job well done though for Mareek). I'm hoping for the best as we give feedback (constructive ) to our developers.
3. Noisy above ISO 100 (inconsistent results).

Note:
Raw Video: Frame skipping should be OFF (on nightly build 040613, update #7)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on June 06, 2013, 03:28:52 AM
The link you gave was about ETTR and has nothing to do with the corruption (pink burst). And besides ETTR is not yet implemented on 60D. What's the point bud?

I think I remember someone mention having global draw on can produce the magenta frames.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on June 06, 2013, 04:34:07 AM
I think I remember someone mention having global draw on can produce the magenta frames.


I did try your suggestion on global raw. I turned it off and voila! - no magenta frames or pink burst.
At 1280x720, 176 frames and consistently tried it 3x, so far so good. More tests to come on different resolution!. We learn everyday. Thanks!

Update:
Turn Off/On camera. Load modules/Raw On, Global draw/ON. At 1280x720, no more magenta frames or pink burst. Whoa!. I have to do more tests! Live to learn!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on June 06, 2013, 04:55:10 AM

I did try your suggestion on global raw. I turned it off and voila! - no magenta frames or pink burst.
At 1280x720, 176 frames and consistently tried it 3x, so far so good. More tests to come on different resolution!. We learn everyday. Thanks!

No problem! I'm learning things everyday by visiting this forum. Loving the 60D raw recording! Serious thanks to all the ML developers and especially marekk
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 06, 2013, 12:27:28 PM
Last build doesn't include lv_af_raw option which enables edge detection mechanism (used normally with autofocus). It doesn't produce magenta frames and dead/hot pixels but it was removed from ML. There could be a lot of magenta because of tint set to high value. You can simply decrease tint when you open dng files in AE (for example).


I think I remember someone mention having global draw on can produce the magenta frames.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 12:41:42 PM
The link you gave was about ETTR and has nothing to do with the corruption (pink burst). And besides ETTR is not yet implemented on 60D. What's the point bud?

I never said it did solve the tearing of files & we already discovered that you need to turn everything off whilst recording - so you really need to read through the threads properly (I know its a pain to do that, but it will be helpful).
Unfortunately, you will still get a few magenta frames from time to time & it does look as if using Canon's native ISO values (100,200 etc...) will help with this problem & they also produce less sensor noise.

And yes, ETTR is implemented on the 60D (use the Raw Histogram for video) & will help make your footage @ 960x544 a lot cleaner. It also means you can use higher ISO values - there will still be some noise, but not nearly as much.

Here are some extra things:
1. There are 2 different types of 60D, so some will get more frames than others (no one knows why or has investigated further).
2. The max write speed to SD cards is 21MB/s - so getting an expensive fast SD card might be a waste of money (45MB/s cards have produced the best results for me so far).
3. Do try & follow the ETTR (expose to the right) principle, you'll get less noise & be able to recover more detail.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.0
4. Turn Global Draw off when recording.
5. Use Canon Native ISOs (100,200,300 etc...) - much better for noise.
6. Remember to use FPS Override (it has loads of new frame rates now) - especially important when using x5 crop.
7. Experiment with changing Picture quality in Canon Menu (Jpeg quality S2 was working best, this might have changed so do try/compare to SRaw).
8. Try 1080p & 720p modes in Canon menu (you'll get more frames in 720p, but quality might not be as great - i think you can improve this in 720p mode by using x5 crop).
9. Do extensive testing to find what works for you!
10. And be careful about using this for paid work!!!!!

Transcoding into CinemaDNG:
Mac users should follow this thread:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

Wins users:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5618.0 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PKVariance on June 06, 2013, 03:08:52 PM
Thanks for collecting that all in one post. Very helpful checklist. And good advices too!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 03:12:47 PM
.........
1. There are 2 different types of 60D, so some will get more frames than others (no one knows why or has investigated further).
2. The max write speed to SD cards is 21MB/s - so getting an expensive fast SD card might be a waste of money (45MB/s cards have produced the best results for me so far).
..........

Due to the fact that there two types of 60D's, I'm unable to make an 'automagically' end of a 960xwhatever recording.
Worse, the RAW's can't be processed either!
To be exact, the 60D's build in SD-interface delimits the write speed, not the card. And with 1280x432px (3:1) I'm getting twice as much frames with 95MB/s in contrast to 45MB/s!

All tests @25FPS.
SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

Furthermore in case of a faster card your RAW Gigs will copy faster to your computer!


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 03:35:00 PM
Due to the fact that there two types of 60D's, I'm unable to make an 'automagically' end of a 960xwhatever recording.
Worse, the RAW's can't be processed either!
To be exact, the 60D's build in SD-interface delimits the write speed, not the card. And with 1280x432px (3:1) I'm getting twice as much frames with 95MB/s in contrast to 45MB/s!

All tests @25FPS.
SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

Furthermore in case of a faster card your RAW Gigs will copy faster to your computer!

Do you mean you can't stop the recording by pressing the record button?
And you can't open the files? Is that something to do with the size of the files?

Good to know about fast SD cards (did say "might") - I wasn't sure if this was the difference between 60Ds or cards.
The fastest i've got runs @ 45MB/s & yes, it did produce much more frames than a normal Transcend class 10.

Just tried the following:
Transcend 16gb Class10

1208x423  3:1 @ 23.976 = 2147 frames
1280x423  3:1 @ 25 = 1553

I've got a feeling the Sandisk SD cards are better & their write speeds haven't much to do with it.
If i do the same test with my 45MB/s Sandisk, I bet i'll get the same results as yours.

So could it be that the 'SD Interfaces' are the differences between some 60D models?
Or is it the type of card you use - might be worth if people post which cards work best?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 04:12:34 PM
Do you mean you can't stop the recording by pressing the record button?
And you can't open the files? Is that something to do with the size of the files?

Good to know about fast SD cards (did say "might") - I wasn't sure if this was the difference between 60Ds or cards.
The fastest i've got runs @ 45MB/s & yes, it did produce much more frames than a normal Transcend class 10.

Just tried the following:
Transcend 16gb Class10

1208x423  3:1 @ 23.976 = 2147 frames
1280x423  3:1 @ 25 = 1553

I've got a feeling the Sandisk SD cards are better & their write speeds haven't much to do with it.
If i do the same test with my 45MB/s Sandisk, I bet i'll get the same results as yours.

So could it be that the 'SD Interfaces' are the differences between some 60D models?
Or is it the type of card you use - might be worth if people post which cards work best?

I can stop recording manually before ML/60D crashes at writing frame 1457!
All the file sizes are about 1.2x GB, so not very big.
But larger resolutions like 1280 and higher do 'automagically' stop and the RAW's can be processed.

I don't think the difference is the SD-interface. Canon aimed at H.264( probably High level 4, they never tell you  :-X !) which needs max. 20MB/s troughput.
Why give the 60D a faster, more expansive SD-interface than needed!

Of course I would like to know what the real differences are. Mine 60D was bought november 2011 and should be fast, but is not!
Maybe different electronic hardware like an updated Digic 4 processor gives other 60D's a better performance?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 05:00:56 PM
I can stop recording manually before ML/60D crashes at writing frame 1457!
All the file sizes are about 1.2x GB, so not very big.
But larger resolutions like 1280 and higher do 'automagically' stop and the RAW's can be processed.

I don't think the difference is the SD-interface. Canon aimed at H.264( probably High level 4, they never tell you  :-X !) which needs max. 20MB/s troughput.
Why give the 60D a faster, more expansive SD-interface than needed!

Of course I would like to know what the real differences are. Mine 60D was bought november 2011 and should be fast, but is not!
Maybe different electronic hardware like an updated Digic 4 processor gives other 60D's a better performance?

Mine was bought in April 2011, so if anything they downgraded something after that.

So in what conditions can't you process the RAW file/s?

I know that the max crop factor that we can use is 1728x... - if you try to record at higher sizes it won't let you open them.
Also, when you first turn on camera & go to the RAW video menu, you will notice that it says 1728x... as default, but you actually have to go into the menu & select this value (as when you do you'll see that it was set at a higher value but reading/telling you the lower value).
So, when you select a higher value it will still tell you that you're recording at 1728x..., but you can't record at this level & have to ignore what it says & still select the highest value of 1728x... (or a lower value).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on June 06, 2013, 05:08:16 PM
I never said it did solve the tearing of files & we already discovered that you need to turn everything off whilst recording - so you really need to read through the threads properly (I know its a pain to do that, but it will be helpful).
Unfortunately, you will still get a few magenta frames from time to time & it does look as if using Canon's native ISO values (100,200 etc...) will help with this problem & they also produce less sensor noise.

And yes, ETTR is implemented on the 60D (use the Raw Histogram for video) & will help make your footage @ 960x544 a lot cleaner. It also means you can use higher ISO values - there will still be some noise, but not nearly as much.

Here are some extra things:
1. There are 2 different types of 60D, so some will get more frames than others (no one knows why or has investigated further).
2. The max write speed to SD cards is 21MB/s - so getting an expensive fast SD card might be a waste of money (45MB/s cards have produced the best results for me so far).
3. Do try & follow the ETTR (expose to the right) principle, you'll get less noise & be able to recover more detail.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.0
4. Turn Global Draw off when recording.
5. Use Canon Native ISOs (100,200,300 etc...) - much better for noise.
6. Remember to use FPS Override (it has loads of new frame rates now) - especially important when using x5 crop.
7. Experiment with changing Picture quality in Canon Menu (Jpeg quality S2 was working best, this might have changed so do try/compare to SRaw).
8. Try 1080p & 720p modes in Canon menu (you'll get more frames in 720p, but quality might not be as great - i think you can improve this in 720p mode by using x5 crop).
9. Do extensive testing to find what works for you!
10. And be careful about using this for paid work!!!!!

Transcoding into CinemaDNG:
Mac users should follow this thread:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

Wins users:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5618.0

Thanks for clearing it to us. :-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on June 06, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
What is the ETTR exactly?  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
........
So in what conditions can't you process the RAW file/s?

I know that the max crop factor that we can use is 1728x... - if you try to record at higher sizes it won't let you open them.
Also, when you first turn on camera & go to the RAW video menu, you will notice that it says 1728x... as default, but you actually have to go into the menu & select this value (as when you do you'll see that it was set at a higher value but reading/telling you the lower value).
So, when you select a higher value it will still tell you that you're recording at 1728x..., but you can't record at this level & have to ignore what it says & still select the highest value of 1728x... (or a lower value).


raw2dng won't recognize the RAW's as a RAW-file (forgot the exact name!) and won't convert them to DNG's.

ML (RAW) is for multiple Canon EOS camera's and I think the 60D doesn't have high priority by the developers.
The focus is probably on the Canon 5D MarkIII, so untill that version is stable they will look at other models (my guess!)
and sort it out. Until then we are living on the edge!    ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
What is the ETTR exactly?  :)

ETTR: auto-expose to the right to max. dynamic resolution & minimize noise! Short enough?   ;D

There were some amazing nature-shots handheld taken with a 300mm lens and ETTR in the 5D section, but I can't find them anymore!  :(

Edit: Found them!  :)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6076.msg46130#msg46130
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
What is the ETTR exactly?  :)
Follow the link below & read a little - its all about pictures, but the same applies to exposing video. Basically for video you can have a RAW Histogram & basically you overexpose, without completely blowing out the highlights. So when you edit your DNG files you just pull down the exposure & hey presto, not so much noise & better detail.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.0


raw2dng won't recognize the RAW's as a RAW-file (forgot the exact name!) and won't convert them to DNG's.

ML (RAW) is for multiple Canon EOS camera's and I think the 60D doesn't have high priority by the developers.
The focus is probably on the Canon 5D MarkIII, so untill that version is stable they will look at other models (my guess!)
and sort it out. Until then we are living on the edge!    ;D

That's strange about the RAW files - search around on other threads (600D or 550D).

Yes the main development is on 5D3 & also, since the developers have a 600D/550D that is also a focus (i believe our camera is slightly better than the 600D/550D).
So whatever works for them they just implement it for us.

The really annoying thing for us is that we have the best buffer readings of all the cameras!
Yes even better than 5D3!
This is why we can get a few seconds recording at our full resolution - 1728x922 (108 frames).
However, because we have SD cards we can't take advantage of this fully!
If we had a CF card slot we would almost certainly be in 5D3 territory & with a near enough S35mm sensor!

Why when they upgraded the 50D to the 60D did they leave out the CF cards?! Bastards!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on June 06, 2013, 06:33:57 PM
What is the ETTR exactly?  :)

 E[xposure] T
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5705.msg46774;topicseen#msg46774
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
......
The really annoying thing for us is that we have the best buffer readings of all the cameras!
Yes even better than 5D3!
This is why we can get a few seconds recording at our full resolution - 1728x922 (108 frames).
However, because we have SD cards we can't take advantage of this fully!
If we had a CF card slot we would almost certainly be in 5D3 territory & with a near enough S35mm sensor!

Why when they upgraded the 50D to the 60D did they leave out the CF cards?! Bastards!!!!!!!

When they upgraded the 50D to the 60D they did not only leave out the CF-interface but also changed the quality of the body.
The 50D was build like the 5D, all aluminium chassis. The 60D has a shell that's made of polycarbonate resin strengthened with glass fibre.

But I still love the 60D!   ;D   
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: xenocide38 on June 06, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
Thanks for reiterating turning Global Draw OFF. I had seen that one other place and tried it and sure enough, it seems to limit the pink corrupt magenta frames. Not sure if it's a 100% fix but it's definitely better than what I was getting with Global Draw ON.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 08:14:35 PM
When they upgraded the 50D to the 60D they did not only leave out the CF-interface but also changed the quality of the body.
The 50D was build like the 5D, all aluminium chassis. The 60D has a shell that's made of polycarbonate resin strengthened with glass fibre.

But I still love the 60D!   ;D   

Yaeh, but more pissed off about the CF card at this precise point in time.
Love my 60D too!

Thanks for reiterating turning Global Draw OFF. I had seen that one other place and tried it and sure enough, it seems to limit the pink corrupt magenta frames. Not sure if it's a 100% fix but it's definitely better than what I was getting with Global Draw ON.

Also try the Canon Native ISOs (100,200 etc...), it does wonders for reducing sensor noise & might have an effect on the torn/magenta frames. But i'm still getting some every so often.

I'm experimenting with setting the camera to 720p & am getting double the frames @ 1728x992 (250ish frames) - but they seem to be squashed! 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
................
If we had a CF card slot we would almost certainly be in 5D3 territory & with a near enough S35mm sensor!
...............

If the 60D would have a CF-interface the buffer wouldn't be that big!

50D  Continuous Shooting mode 6.3 frames per second, 90 JPEG's
60D  Continuous Shooting mode 5.3 frames per second, 58 JPEG's

After Continuous Shooting mode watch how long it takes to write all pictures to the SD-card!
So, in my opinion, Canon made the buffer extra large to make it more or less comparable with the 50D! 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 06, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Due to the fact that there two types of 60D's, I'm unable to make an 'automagically' end of a 960xwhatever recording.
Worse, the RAW's can't be processed either!
To be exact, the 60D's build in SD-interface delimits the write speed, not the card. And with 1280x432px (3:1) I'm getting twice as much frames with 95MB/s in contrast to 45MB/s!

All tests @25FPS.
SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

Furthermore in case of a faster card your RAW Gigs will copy faster to your computer!

Hmm. I've been holding off opening the 95mbs card I ordered as most people were saying it doesn't make a difference. If it helps at 720p it would be worth it though.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 06, 2013, 08:55:53 PM
Hmm. I've been holding off opening the 95mbs card I ordered as most people were saying it doesn't make a difference. If it helps at 720p it would be worth it though.

Maybe the resolution you want to use doesn't give a big difference.
Look at the whole list I made:

All tests @25FPS.

SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9       275 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1    295 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1      346 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1   420 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1   524 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1   524 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1   630 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1   734 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9         108 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9        315 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1     335 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1       486 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1    516 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1    659 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1    659 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1    791 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1    1078 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9           108 frames
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 06, 2013, 08:59:10 PM
Maybe the resolution you want to use doesn't give a big difference.
Look at the whole list I made:

All tests @25FPS.

SD-card: Lexar 16GB 60MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9       275 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1    295 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1      346 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1   420 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1   524 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1   524 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1   630 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1   734 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1         1188 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9         108 frames

SD-card: SanDisk 32GB 95MB/s
1280 x 720 px 16:9        315 frames
1280 x 704 px 1.85:1     335 frames
1280 x 640 px  2:1       486 frames
1280 x 592 px  2.20:1    516 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.35:1    659 frames
1280 x 544 px  2.39:1    659 frames
1280 x 512 px  2.50:1    791 frames
1280 x 488 px  2.67:1    1078 frames
1280 x 432 px  3:1       2317 - 2118 - 2283 - 2079 - 2215 frames

1728 x 922 px 16:9           108 frames
Thanks. That is at 25fps where I shoot at 24 but according to your tests I could get an extra second at 720p and 2 extra seconds at 1.85. Hmm sounds like it would be worth it to me...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 06, 2013, 09:52:40 PM
So i just got the following results:

Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC 1 8gb 45MB/s

1280x432 3:1 @ 25fps = 2079 frames

& I'm using an early 2011 model, which does give more frames.

So it might be worth opening that SD or not!

NEWS: Apparently we have some memory that isn't being used, which might be really useful!
See Alex1 second comment on page (its to do with setting Canon Picture setting to jpeg S2)
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.375
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 06, 2013, 11:54:33 PM
Just got 1280x720 24p 351 frames consistently on my Sandisk 95mbs   :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 07, 2013, 01:37:37 AM
Just got 1280x720 24p 351 frames consistently on my Sandisk 95mbs   :D


I'm getting similar result with the 45mbps SanDisk 32 gb - between 330-350 frames...

I did some paid work with the 1280x720p RAW already. I am quite happy actually. I let my client know that there is a possibility of loosing the data and processing delays(due to the workflow) + I shot only scenes that won't cost anything to remake except some fuel for my car.

My rules when it comes to shooting with the RAW module:
1) 45 mbps or above for the SD card.
2) ONLY 1280x720 works properly when it comes to magenta frames, skipping and proper raw2dng extraction.
3) Global draw - OFF. Otherwise 2 out of 10 shots will have magenta frames.
4) After shooting a sequence and seeing the buffer emptying - I LEAVE the camera to take at least 6-10 secs "rest" till I start the next shot. I noticed that relying only on those stars that show the buffer capacity is not a good deal. If I shoot a sequence and then start the next one EXACTLY after I see those stars disappearing - I'm getting either magentas or lower frame count (for example 310 or even 305).

And not a rule, but more of a warning to those that are not used to work with so much crop:
5) I would really need a feature that takes the whole image and resizes it to 1280x720 like the normal movie mode is doing. It is a huge pain that I can't use RAW to take an awesome 17mm wide shot of that deserted beach near my city. I hope it is possible and that it won't take too much time or/and effort for the ML guys to figure it out. It will be SUPER beneficial!!!

Then again - THANK YOU MAGIC LANTERN FOR UNLOCKING ALL THESE INSANE STUFF FOR US!!! For me it's literally "magic" what I can do with such a cheap camera.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 07, 2013, 02:43:43 AM


I'm getting similar result with the 45mbps SanDisk 32 gb - between 330-350 frames...

I did some paid work with the 1280x720p RAW already. I am quite happy actually. I let my client know that there is a possibility of loosing the data and processing delays(due to the workflow) + I shot only scenes that won't cost anything to remake except some fuel for my car.

My rules when it comes to shooting with the RAW module:
1) 45 mbps or above for the SD card.
2) ONLY 1280x720 works properly when it comes to magenta frames, skipping and proper raw2dng extraction.
3) Global draw - OFF. Otherwise 2 out of 10 shots will have magenta frames.
4) After shooting a sequence and seeing the buffer emptying - I LEAVE the camera to take at least 6-10 secs "rest" till I start the next shot. I noticed that relying only on those stars that show the buffer capacity is not a good deal. If I shoot a sequence and then start the next one EXACTLY after I see those stars disappearing - I'm getting either magentas or lower frame count (for example 310 or even 305).

And not a rule, but more of a warning to those that are not used to work with so much crop:
5) I would really need a feature that takes the whole image and resizes it to 1280x720 like the normal movie mode is doing. It is a huge pain that I can't use RAW to take an awesome 17mm wide shot of that deserted beach near my city. I hope it is possible and that it won't take too much time or/and effort for the ML guys to figure it out. It will be SUPER beneficial!!!

Then again - THANK YOU MAGIC LANTERN FOR UNLOCKING ALL THESE INSANE STUFF FOR US!!! For me it's literally "magic" what I can do with such a cheap camera.

Those are good rules to follow especially the note about letting clients know about data loss/reshoots. I had to run back to Tuesday's location to reshoot some exteriors this afternoon as I lost all the RAW lips I'd shot due to corruption.

The 720p is great especially to upconvert or for web but the crop kills me too. I've been mostly shooting at the 1728 and just hoping for the best. Today's stuff came out great with minimal Magenta on the 95mbs card. I probably should heed your advice about waiting 6-10 seconds and was trying to wait at least 3 or 5.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 07, 2013, 03:18:10 AM
Just finished processing the footage. Shot for about an hour in 80 degree heat, fairly continuous once the buffer was back to 0, nearly 100 clips at 1728 and only had one magenta frame on the second to last clip on the second frame. All paid work....Sweeeeeet.  ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: xenocide38 on June 07, 2013, 03:35:08 AM

My rules when it comes to shooting with the RAW module:
1) 45 mbps or above for the SD card.
2) ONLY 1280x720 works properly when it comes to magenta frames, skipping and proper raw2dng extraction.
3) Global draw - OFF. Otherwise 2 out of 10 shots will have magenta frames.
4) After shooting a sequence and seeing the buffer emptying - I LEAVE the camera to take at least 6-10 secs "rest" till I start the next shot. I noticed that relying only on those stars that show the buffer capacity is not a good deal. If I shoot a sequence and then start the next one EXACTLY after I see those stars disappearing - I'm getting either magentas or lower frame count (for example 310 or even 305).

And not a rule, but more of a warning to those that are not used to work with so much crop:
5) I would really need a feature that takes the whole image and resizes it to 1280x720 like the normal movie mode is doing. It is a huge pain that I can't use RAW to take an awesome 17mm wide shot of that deserted beach near my city. I hope it is possible and that it won't take too much time or/and effort for the ML guys to figure it out. It will be SUPER beneficial!!!


Great advice, thanks!

When you say ONLY 1280x720, do you mean selecting 1280x720p as a crop in the Magic Lantern raw settings menu, or do you mean putting the camera into 1280x720p mode in the Canon menu and shooting raw 1280x720p that way?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 07, 2013, 08:10:03 AM
How to remove dead/hot pixel with update 7 (without lv_af_raw)?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 10:39:34 AM
This chart states that the 60D works with ExFat formatted SD-cards.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215
During testing ML RAW last week trying to get the maximum number of frames, I formatted a SD-card in ExFat on a Mac.
ML didn't work on this card, did anyone succeeded in ExFat format on the 60D?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mihnea77@gmail.com on June 07, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
I was wondering: isn't there any possible way of squashing the raw frames thru digic in a basic zip algorithm to reduce their sizes before dumping them thru bloody sd writer bottleneck?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 11:24:12 AM
I was wondering: isn't there any possible way of squashing the raw frames thru digic in a basic zip algorithm to reduce their sizes before dumping them thru bloody sd writer bottleneck?

Yep, you got that already for free!
It is called H.264 in a QuickTime MOV container.     ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 03:45:35 PM
@Marekk - any chance of another compile, as A1ex has said that:

"16:9 is 1728x972 on 60D. The mod32/64 restriction is no longer there."

& there seem to be some new crop sizes in Raw_Record, which might mean that we get some better sizes than 960x544 & perhaps some longer recording times.

Also, since it looks like we might be getting a RAW to CinemaDNG converter, is there anything that can be done to solve the Hot Pixels that still exist?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 07, 2013, 05:19:02 PM
hey guys, is there a way to zoom raw crop area (ex 960x540) to fit display of the camera? (only for better visualization during recording)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on June 07, 2013, 05:20:53 PM
I switch the video mode to 1280/60

and then use the ML frame override to 23.97.

however, I found that the shutter I can choose is limited, the top LCD shows 1/4000, but the ML display it is 1/40.

am I doing anything wrong?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 07, 2013, 05:44:41 PM
but recording in 960x540 in 720 mode, final quality is the same as recording 960x540 in 1080 mode or less?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 05:50:56 PM
Going to re-shoot some scenes for a short film using RAW & it will be a low light scene at a desk.
I have been following the ETTR principle & this is the result.

Light from a table lamp.
Everything shot @ ISO 800
16:9 1728x992 @ 23.976 fps (108 frames or 5 secs).
Lens F Stop was the only difference.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
Going to re-shoot some scenes for a short film using RAW & it will be a low light scene at a desk.
I have been following the ETTR principle & this is the result.

Light from a table lamp.
Everything shot @ ISO 800
16:9 1728x992 @ 23.976 fps (108 frames or 5 secs).
Lens F Stop was the only difference.

Looking very clean!
What lens did you use?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
Looking very clean!
What lens did you use?

Nikon 24mm f2.8 ai-s
Think the f stops were about 4 & 11.

Following ETTR really works, just tried it with 960x544 & the difference is amazing!
Yes there's still some noise, which is intensified due to upscaling, but still minimal compared to exposing normally - now the sensor noise really does look more like film grain.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 07:04:24 PM
Think the f stops were about 4 & 11.

Why the big difference in lens stops? 3 stops? ETTR needs more light or the other way around?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 07:13:00 PM
Because of the ISO being at 800, i wanted to expose one by following ETTR & the other as I would normally have done.
So to keep the ISO the same for both (& so the potential noise would be the same), i just moved f stop.
If i had lowered the ISO then the test would have been redundant, as the noise levels would have been different.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Heh, I thought it's clear for everybody that more light = less noise.

Also higher ISO = less noise (all other things being equal), but that's another story.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 08:11:52 PM
Heh, I thought it's clear for everybody that more light = less noise.

Also higher ISO = less noise (all other things being equal), but that's another story.

Well, in Digital Video, pushing gain gives more noise. And we always try to keep it to 0!
In digital photography they still use the 'ISO' magic word, but technically speaking it is just gain.

So yes, I'm very surprised by your second remark.   ;-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on June 07, 2013, 09:19:11 PM
I was playing around with capturing video with the camera set in 640x480 cropped mode, capturing RAW.

It seems to inconsistently limit the resolution; when in centered or dolly, it limits to 704x544 but in 'left' the display flickers between that and 768x576. When in 'left' it actually does end up recording 768x576.

Framing itself is weird. In the 544 height modes, it seems to record left of where the Canon live view displays. I don't remember the vertical; it's too confusing to commit to memory and I was deleting the videos as I went.

In 'left', it records almost all of the way to the top of the Canon live view, and basically all of the way to the right of the Canon live view, with a ton on the bottom and left. Apparently you're supposed to move the focus box, but I can't do this as I'm using a manual lens (which is what I would be using for video anyway).

I tried changing the display modes, but the 'ML' black-and-white display mode doesn't do anything different from the Auto except it doesn't show any cropmarks.

Anyone else have any experiences they'd like to share?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 10:50:19 PM
Well, in Digital Video, pushing gain gives more noise. And we always try to keep it to 0!
In digital photography they still use the 'ISO' magic word, but technically speaking it is just gain.

So yes, I'm very surprised by your second remark.   ;-)

Look at the pictures from here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.msg41110#msg41110

Which is noisier? ISO 100 or ISO 3200?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 07, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
Great advice, thanks!

When you say ONLY 1280x720, do you mean selecting 1280x720p as a crop in the Magic Lantern raw settings menu, or do you mean putting the camera into 1280x720p mode in the Canon menu and shooting raw 1280x720p that way?

In the movie mode my camera is set to 1920x1080p and then I set the RAW module to shoot in 1280x720p I haven't experimented much with setting up the camera in 720p and then the RAW as well in 720p, but I've seen people saying you might get lower quality.

@DerekDock - Nice bro! Once you start noticing the whole behavior of the camera and how to avoid these small issues it becomes truly pleasant to work with it and apply it in your work.

Still I'd be cautious on the whole thing! :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 11:24:25 PM
Look at the pictures from here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.msg41110#msg41110

Which is noisier? ISO 100 or ISO 3200?

You are cheating!   ;D  You forgot to mention that that is the case when using ETTR!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 11:27:34 PM
Heh, I thought it's clear for everybody that more light = less noise.

Also higher ISO = less noise (all other things being equal), but that's another story.

It really stumped me, but shit i never thought it would be that good!
I was struggling to get nice images at ISO100 & now i realise that was sooooo wrong.
I've tested the same ETTR principles with 960x544 & its a whole different ball game -quality has now risen to new hights.
I would like some different crop sizes, but we are relying on 1 person to compile new stuff for the 60D.
Any body going to step up to compile new builds for us?
Also, A1ex what about that extra memory in the 60D, can that be used for anything?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 11:32:27 PM
Well... for storing a few more frames. This is the strong point of 60D: a few seconds at high resolution.

For continuous recording, don't expect more than 960x540 at 24 fps.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 11:40:58 PM
Well... for storing a few more frames. This is the strong point of 60D: a few seconds at high resolution.

For continuous recording, don't expect more than 960x540 at 24 fps.

I know nothing about coding etc..., but couldn't this extra memory be used to store stuff before it gets to the SD card - a buffer within a buffer?
I was just thinking that if the original Canon firmware was taking a Raw reading & then processing it, then it had to store those images somewhere (even if for a little while) before it processed them to a H264 .mov file?
Couldn't that extra memory be used for exactly the same thing but just holding up the write process to the SD card?

I'm not trying to be greedy & now i've discovered the benefits of ETTR, i'll be happy with 960x544 @ 24fps.

Just it seems crazy that there's extra memory that could be used for storage or something...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 11:42:59 PM
What do you think we use the buffers for? Drawing stars on the display?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 07, 2013, 11:50:58 PM
What do you think we use the buffers for? Drawing stars on the display?

Not that stupid! Just think that maybe people are over looking the potential of the 60D _ yes i'm cursing the fact that they upgraded the 50D & left out the CF card option!
But couldn't there be more buffers involved with that extra memory, which you said was available - so instead of x8 31M, we get x10? Or have i not understood a thing?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 07, 2013, 11:59:12 PM
Not that stupid! Just think that maybe people are over looking the potential of the 60D _ yes i'm cursing the fact that they upgraded the 50D & left out the CF card option!
But couldn't there be more buffers involved with that extra memory, which you said was available - so instead of x8 31M, we get x10? Or have i not understood a thing?

Those buffers are memory hardware in your 60D. Eager to rebuild yours?   

While your 60D is open you can implement a Black Magic Design SSD drive the same time!    ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 08, 2013, 12:23:33 AM
Those buffers are memory hardware in your 60D. Eager to rebuild yours?   

While your 60D is open you can implement a Black Magic Design SSD drive the same time!    ;D

Frustrated! There's potential but i'm not understanding if or how that can get us anywhere.
I'm really interested to see if we can use better crop factors to get longer recording times -basically anything under 1280x720 & above 960x544!

Got a BM Pocket Camera on pre-order & just trying to decide whether or not to cancel - but knowing BM i've probably got plenty of time to decide (months)!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 08, 2013, 12:28:14 AM
If you have a lot of 16mm lenses, the Black Magic Pocket Camera can be a good choice, otherwise your cropfactor will be 2.3!!!!!
If I were you, I would cancel and go for the Canon 5D MarkIII.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 08, 2013, 12:44:26 AM
If you have a lot of 16mm lenses, the Black Magic Pocket Camera can be a good choice, otherwise your cropfactor will be 2.3!!!!!
If I were you, I would cancel and go for the Canon 5D MarkIII.


I used to use S16 film cameras, so its partly a nostalgia thing & i normally shoot with anamorphic lenses, so the taking lens should be ok at about 24mm+anamorphic lens, which would give me a field of view of about 48mm (x1.5 anamorphic) or 36mm (x2 anamorphic).

Also, the crop factor @ 960x544 is way more than it would be on the pocket compared to the 60D.

5D3 is too much money at the moment - £2.5K vs under £1K.
& the fact that with an anamorphic lens i'll be getting a 2K image once i stretch the footage to its proper dimensions!
But it might be a waiting game as prices might go down on the 5D3 - at some point anyway.
Also, if what i've experienced with 60D RAW footage & upscaling rings true, then the Pocket will easily be able to be upscaled way beyond 1080p - if & when RAW comes to that camera.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 08, 2013, 02:20:24 AM
You are cheating!   ;D  You forgot to mention that that is the case when using ETTR!

Devs don't cheat  :P

What about these images (http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/evaluation-canon-5diii/)?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ilguercio on June 08, 2013, 08:22:47 AM
I just tried the build in the opening post and you tell me which 60D i got.
Looks like the biggest buffer is with S3 file size enabled only (any shooting mode, apparently) .
Not really into RAW if we can only get these sizes and i have to be on the computer for a good hour to edit the footage.
TO ME it isn't worth it, but i understand that some people see a huge potential (especially with other cameras, like the 50D i still have) .
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 08, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
Devs don't cheat  :P

What about these images (http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/evaluation-canon-5diii/)?

You must be one them to call noise images!   ;D
Technically I suppose the article is right. Higher ISO, less dynamic range stops. I agree.
But in my years of experience, higher ISO is more noise.

Look at this quick and dirty test of my own. Which part of the image is noisier en which part has the higher ISO?
http://picturepush.com/public/13265059
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 08, 2013, 11:01:44 AM
I've just uploaded a new version of ML with raw_rec for 60D. All changes described here: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 60d on June 08, 2013, 12:14:52 PM
Apologies if I have posted in the wrong place. I'm not sure if this is a bug or problem unique to my camera.
I'm using the latest 60D ML (08-06-2013) posted by Marekk (and the previous version, 04-06-2013). Raw video appears to work normally at 960x540 with 0x/5x/10x zoom, however at higher resolutions using 5x and 10x, the liveview appears normal although the camera records frames which jump around.
Example at 1728x972, 25fps (compiled by RAWanizer, no edit):
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1VldE1ch4MAbnF2cFd2aldJQTQ/edit?usp=sharing
[normal at 960x540: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1VldE1ch4MAU05KUW9kXzFKNFE/edit?usp=sharing ]
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 08, 2013, 12:50:55 PM
I've just tested on 1600x680 and it works fine.

Apologies if I have posted in the wrong place. I'm not sure if this is a bug or problem unique to my camera.
I'm using the latest 60D ML (08-06-2013) posted by Marekk (and the previous version, 04-06-2013). Raw video appears to work normally at 960x540 with 0x/5x/10x zoom, however at higher resolutions using 5x and 10x, the liveview appears normal although the camera records frames which jump around.
Example at 1728x972, 25fps (compiled by RAWanizer, no edit):
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1VldE1ch4MAbnF2cFd2aldJQTQ/edit?usp=sharing
[normal at 960x540: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1VldE1ch4MAU05KUW9kXzFKNFE/edit?usp=sharing ]
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
Some major changes to EDMAC things (5 minutes ago), should fix these issues. Some EDMAC writes were not properly aligned at addresses multiple of 4096 bytes.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 08, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
thanks a1ex !!!

Some major changes to EDMAC things (5 minutes ago), should fix these issues. Some EDMAC writes were not properly aligned at addresses multiple of 4096 bytes.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 08, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Did get this error, because modules didn't load!

Linking.....
tcc: error: memory full
exit (1)

Disabled and enabled bootdisk flag. Working again.

Three tries with latest build, first with magenta blocks, two were allright.
Getting 1 frame less, now 107 instead of 108 (1782 x 792 @ 25FPS)

Each time the 60D is switched off the modules won't automatically load, when switched on.
Each time giving the same error as above!     :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 08, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
pls. download new build, I replaced a zip file after a1ex's modifications.. (delete all files in modules folder, there is a LOADING.LCK file or something like this)

Did get this error, because modules didn't load!

Linking.....
tcc: error: memory full
exit (1)

Disabled and enabled bootdisk flag. Working again.

Three tries with latest build, first with magenta blocks, two were allright.
Getting 1 frame less, now 107 instead of 108 (1782 x 792 @ 25FPS)

Each time the 60D is switched off the modules won't automatically load, when switched on.
Each time giving the same error as above!     :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 08, 2013, 02:16:10 PM
pls. download new build, I replaced a zip file after a1ex's modifications.. (delete all files in modules folder, there is a LOADING.LCK file or something like this)

@merekk   Thanks for the quick response!    ;D

Modules are now loading automatically again!
Did shoot 4 clips 1782x791@25FPS
First did have 2 frames with magenta block mis alignment, other three were fine.

Getting more frames at 1782x792@25FPS: 118 now.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 60d on June 08, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
Thanks Alex and Marekk, but still having the same problem
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: FullSensor on June 08, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
Thanks a1ex.
What you've done guys with ML is amazing.
I've been following the developpement since the beginning too. You've come a long way since the days Trammel found out the first codes and we were looking for a name for the firmware in C5D forum.

So back to the future ...

without LV_AF_RAW I get a set of hot pixels (green) always at the same position near the center.
The only clean image I could get is WITH LV_AF_RAW, Global Draw OFF using older builds.
Tests at 1726x736 @ 24P. (164 frames / Transcend 16GB Class 10)

Besides, is there a way for you to enable 1920 resolution in 2,35:1 now ?

And thank you marekk for the updates.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 03:06:17 PM
Those lv_af_raw dots are edge detection info. That's why I didn't recommend using it.

What image problems are you having without it?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 08, 2013, 03:12:43 PM
Thanks Alex and Marekk, but still having the same problem

Yes i've just tried the same test as you & getting torn frames/shifted frames to the left.
x5 zoom @ 1728x972 25fps

But on the upside: getting 129 frames with 1728x972 @ 23.976fps!

Also, can't open the RAW files in the mac version of RAW2DNG v.11 (but v.10 works).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 08, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
There are dead pixels always in the same place and the only option to remove it is Hot/dead pixel filter in RawTherapee

What image problems are you having without it?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 03:40:27 PM
On 5D3, I've ran a sensor cleaning (not sure what exactly, I've tried all the options from that Canon menu) and pam! all of them were gone.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: FullSensor on June 08, 2013, 03:45:09 PM
a1ex,

this is the problem :

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3763%2F8985847455_588d269699_b.jpg&hash=e7083af26c167b0b388aa6f938d7cd17)

(in fact the 2 different problems in one frame)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Skorpio89 on June 08, 2013, 03:45:40 PM
Dear Friends,

I have discussed in other forum about the dynamic range... a friend were telling that he thinks that you can have the same thing with the h.264, and the raw is a bit useless... the way was he didn't test the raw...

I made a little test about dynamic range... it's simple and unscientific...

I tried to save some highlight but with the h.264 it's almost impossibile.. in the raw you can save much more...

have a look..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 08, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Green? Mine's are red since the latest build.    8)

http://picturepush.com/public/13267123

Top left corner of frame, always in the same position!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 08, 2013, 06:11:08 PM
On 5D3, I've ran a sensor cleaning (not sure what exactly, I've tried all the options from that Canon menu) and pam! all of them were gone.

simply remaps dead or hot pixels interpolating the luminance values of near pixels.  ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Jack on June 08, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
Sorry, i'm a bit confused, you say to install the latest nightly build before doing anything else and on the nightly builds forum it says not for Raw, I have  v2.3 on my 60D and am wondering if somebody clear this up for me. I'm probably missing something really simple, but I want to make sure I do it right, oh and thank you for making such an amazing feature.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 08, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Ok, so i've just reached the point where i've got a file that's bigger than 4gb (16:9 960x540 = 8156 frames) & its given me a regular .RAW file & .R00 files - can't open either of them, can't preview in camera either.

What the BJesus do i do?

Sorry, i'm a bit confused, you say to install the latest nightly build before doing anything else and on the nightly builds forum it says not for Raw, I have  v2.3 on my 60D and am wondering if somebody clear this up for me. I'm probably missing something really simple, but I want to make sure I do it right, oh and thank you for making such an amazing feature.

I've always put the newest NB over the v2.3, as it deletes the help menus which are useless on these builds. Then you just replace the autoexec.bin & put the other files into a folder named MODULES & put that in the ML folder on your SD card.
I like testing out the NB anyways, so its just the next step.
Try it without loading up a NB, just replace autoexec.bin etc...over the v2.3 - don't se why it shouldn't work.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Jack on June 08, 2013, 09:35:04 PM
Ok, so i've just reached the point where i've got a file that's bigger than 4gb (16:9 960x540 = 8156 frames) & its given me a regular .RAW file & .R00 files - can't open either of them, can't preview in camera either.

What the BJesus do i do?

I've always put the newest NB over the v2.3, as it deletes the help menus which are useless on these builds. Then you just replace the autoexec.bin & put the other files into a folder named MODULES & put that in the ML folder on your SD card.
I like testing out the NB anyways, so its just the next step.
Try it without loading up a NB, just replace autoexec.bin etc...over the v2.3 - don't se why it shouldn't work.

Many thanks for the quick reply, just installed it and it is fine so far apart from it saying scripts dir missing when I turn it on, will let you know how I get on, thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Jack on June 09, 2013, 12:06:48 AM
To solve the 'script dir missing' problem I put the scripts folder in the ML folder, I feel I did something wrong because when I imported the dng sequence into AE, I saw increased latitude in the highlights but the shadows I couldn't do anything with or it came out noisy (edit: This wasn't to do with shadow clipping, they were very slightly underexposed and any slight recovery would bring up terrible noise), will try again by installing the NB. To install do I simply replace the autoexec, add modules and scripts into the ML folder and choose the regular install new firmware option?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: xenocide38 on June 09, 2013, 12:56:54 AM
To solve the 'script dir missing' problem I put the scripts folder in the ML folder, I feel I did something wrong because when I imported the dng sequence into AE, I saw increased latitude in the highlights but the shadows I couldn't do anything with or it came out noisy (edit: This wasn't to do with shadow clipping, they were very slightly underexposed and any slight recovery would bring up terrible noise), will try again by installing the NB. To install do I simply replace the autoexec, add modules and scripts into the ML folder and choose the regular install new firmware option?

Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the consensus online is to slightly overexpose your image so you don't have to lift your blacks in post. I know exactly what you're talking about. Typically for raw photos I'd get an ideal exposure, lift my blacks and lower my highlights in post but the 60D raw footage works better by shooting a little overexposed (ETTR-expose to the right). There is definitely the ability to recover highlights but lifting shadows in the raw 60D footage is very dangerous, tons of noise.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CarVac on June 09, 2013, 01:00:25 AM
Is the Magic Lantern grayscale viewing not working for anyone else? It just displays the normal Canon video mode live view for me. This is with the June 4 build from the first post.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 101001 on June 09, 2013, 01:09:38 AM
An avid and grateful lurkers Question.... In what way or how do youse imagine the the 20mbs SD card speed can be overcome. Can it? Is it bypassable? Any hypothesis'
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Jack on June 09, 2013, 01:57:03 AM
Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the consensus online is to slightly overexpose your image so you don't have to lift your blacks in post. I know exactly what you're talking about. Typically for raw photos I'd get an ideal exposure, lift my blacks and lower my highlights in post but the 60D raw footage works better by shooting a little overexposed (ETTR-expose to the right). There is definitely the ability to recover highlights but lifting shadows in the raw 60D footage is very dangerous, tons of noise.

I know what you mean, did another quick test and the noise is really bad even without trying to recover any of the shadow detail.

This was shot at 1280, 2.35.1 at 160 ISO, 1.4 f stop and I haven't done anything to the image, was just wondering if this is normal.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs11.postimg.org%2Foi0dotpq7%2FScreen_Shot_2013_06_09_at_00_40_15.jpg&hash=6176692824d5629073c0b4f8073b82f8) (http://postimg.org/image/oi0dotpq7/)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 09, 2013, 02:24:15 AM
First of all, forget the multiples of 160 & use Canon native ISOs (100, 200 etc...), but don't go over 1600. I find 800 to be the best option.
For an explanation of ETTR look at the first post on this thread (you don't have to read everything, but you'll get the gist):
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5693.0

Basically, you need to use the RAW Histogram/Raw Zebras & get it so the reading is E0.0 or slightly minus eg. E -0.1 (yes you need to get it so its nearly blowing the highlights - it will look too bright, but you'll be able to recover the highlights in post). What this will do is reduce the noise & you'll gain detail.

Here's a check list of things that we've found out recently when you use RAW on the 60D:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.325

Oh & we will never be able to overcome the 20MB/s SD card speed - its hardwired in & we're stuck with it.

Use the newest build! And just replace the Autoexec.bin on SD card & create a folder called MODULES & put magic.sym, raw_rec.mo, pic_view.mo & file_man.mo into it & then just copy it into the ML folder on your SD card (don't delete anything - a Scripts folder should already be in the ML folder).

There's plenty of stuff/advice etc.. in this thread & it might be worth looking at the 600D/550D threads for any advances & yes ours cam is slightly better.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Jack on June 09, 2013, 02:40:56 AM

I did read all of this thread but the amount of noise still surprised me, now I know i'm on the right track so thanks very helpful  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 09, 2013, 02:51:15 AM
Yes there will be some noise, but you really need to push that overexposure - its scary at first, but once you understand it your footage will look a lot nicer.
Also the highest quality crop sizes produce the least amount of frames (118-129) so experiment with either 960x540 (about 8000 frames) or 1152x648 (about 500 frames) or just above. Don't kid yourself 5mins/25sec is much better than 5secs. And you can get 960x540 footage to look good - well a lot better than H264!
It takes time - i've been at it a few weeks now.

Remember this is in the Alpha testing stage!
ML might still try & get 10bit RAW or something else for our cameras, but there's a way to go yet!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 60d on June 09, 2013, 03:12:27 AM
Just wanted to report that having now actually turned on fps override (to 25) the crop footage is nearly 'frame shift' free.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 09, 2013, 11:54:06 AM
First of all, forget the multiples of 160 & use Canon native ISOs (100, 200 etc...), but don't go over 1600. I find 800 to be the best option.

There has been said a lot about 'native' ISO's. If you look at page 62 of the Canon Rebel T2i (550D) manual, you'll see the following ISO speeds: Auto, 100, 200, 300, 400, 800, 1600, 3200 and 6400. So it's safe to assume that these are the real native Canon ISO speed settings.
So why all the fuzz about 160, 320, 640, etc. The 160-multiple ISO's are actually the cleanest not because they are 'native', but because they are a result of a digital exposure pull. This pull brings down the exposure of the entire image, and hides much of the noise that would be visible at the next higher ISO. ISO 125 is actually ISO 100 with a 1/3 stop digital exposure push, etc.
The real question is: how does ML handle with these 'tweeners' as ML captures LIveView frames. Are the 'tweeners' still pushed or pulled?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 12:01:12 PM
In raw, 200 is identical to 160, 400 is identical to 320 and so on. Look on the histogram.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 09, 2013, 12:28:33 PM
Thanks a1ex!   ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: rocket on June 09, 2013, 12:47:33 PM
First of all: thanks to marekk for giving us a chance to play with these bleeding edge features!
Develompent seems to go blazing fast here! I had some free time this weekend, so I made up a little build/upload script for ML. It checks for repository commits every hour and uploads compiled zips to dropbox in case there were any changes (and by 'ANY' I mean even if they are not specific for 60D). Contents of these builds are pretty much the same as in marekk's, except for 'modules' folder is already in 'ml' folder (seemed more convinient for me to update).

Remember that this is for testing purposes only! Of course I don't have a chance to check every build myself :)

Here's the link to dropbox folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2)
And, again, commits log: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 09, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Thanks rocket !!!

Here's the link to dropbox folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2)
And, again, commits log: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 09, 2013, 01:34:03 PM
First of all: thanks to marekk for giving us a chance to play with these bleeding edge features!
Develompent seems to go blazing fast here! I had some free time this weekend, so I made up a little build/upload script for ML. It checks for repository commits every hour and uploads compiled zips to dropbox in case there were any changes (and by 'ANY' I mean even if they are not specific for 60D). Contents of these builds are pretty much the same as in marekk's, except for 'modules' folder is already in 'ml' folder (seemed more convinient for me to update).

Remember that this is for testing purposes only! Of course I don't have a chance to check every build myself :)

Here's the link to dropbox folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2)
And, again, commits log: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all)

Thanks Rocket!!!!!! Things are moving fast & this will allow people to test whatever/whenever.

There has been said a lot about 'native' ISO's. If you look at page 62 of the Canon Rebel T2i (550D) manual, you'll see the following ISO speeds: Auto, 100, 200, 300, 400, 800, 1600, 3200 and 6400. So it's safe to assume that these are the real native Canon ISO speed settings.
So why all the fuzz about 160, 320, 640, etc. The 160-multiple ISO's are actually the cleanest not because they are 'native', but because they are a result of a digital exposure pull. This pull brings down the exposure of the entire image, and hides much of the noise that would be visible at the next higher ISO. ISO 125 is actually ISO 100 with a 1/3 stop digital exposure push, etc.
The real question is: how does ML handle with these 'tweeners' as ML captures LIveView frames. Are the 'tweeners' still pushed or pulled?


I was wondering this too & by chance stumbled across the differences between Native & 160 (vimeo didn't do it justice, but you could see the digital gain at work).
I am guessing that for video the extra digital gain in the 160s will help with the H264 compression/quality etc...
I'm just not so convinced that this is so true for RAW - i don't need any extra gain added to the ISOs, because i can do that myself.

Anyway you just need to test for yourself & find out what you like - its "Horses for Courses" in the end.
Its like all the complaints about the quality being "noisy"!
I think people were quite spoiled with H264 & it kinda hid a lot of bad footage in its compression.
What really makes me laugh is all the people that want to recapture the"Film Look" & have never actually shot on film - Grain is Noise! Lots of people i know actually like the noise coming from the sensor in Raw, especially when using ETTR.

It all comes down to what you personally like.
Still got to remember these are DSLRs & not a RED or Alexa.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 09, 2013, 02:23:39 PM
hey guys i've tried to install update 8 but it forces my camera to rec to 10.1 mb/s instead 20/21 mb/s (with update 6 without lv_af_raw).
This issue reduce frame recorded (same resolution 960x540) from 8000+ to 530.  :-\
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 10, 2013, 06:13:19 AM
Many thanks to the dev tea for the code. Just got a chance to try recording some raw clips today. I used the post #8 code and found the following:
1. modules auto load fine, but raw settings don't save at shutoff9are not persistent)
2. raw video shows up twice in the menus (don't know why, but I use the first instance)
3. at 960 (16:9) I never run out of buffer - did not try to get over 1GB as I was just trying to get a clip to try workflow
4. at 1280 (16:9) I got about 320-345 frames, with automagic shut off
5. I did not get any clips that did not have pink  blocks or other ugly artifacts pink in some  frames (not all, but many)...yes I did have global draw on...maybe I should not...
6. Post processing per Nick Driftwoods process steps worked fine (all clips read and process just fine to make dng files and go into to AE).
7. I used an San Disk Extreme 16GB card (way over 21MBs) capable.
8. I do have a Mosaic filter and did not notice any negative impact using it at crop resolutions, but I will have to test at another location to see if it impacts moire in raw (it fixes moire and aliasing just fine in normal recording on the 60D).

Honestly at this point stability of clean recording is more important to me...I appreciate raw DR, but I can live with resolution limitations as long as the footage is clean and record times are well established...that may not be as critical to others...I really don't need a lot of options - a few fixed sizes that work well are better for me...but maybe not for others.

I used my meter, and histograms for exposure - that was not really an issue, nor was noise (I shot at ISO 100 using deep ND to get to F4 in about 6400 fc). dead pixels and corrupt blocks are the issue to me.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: FullSensor on June 10, 2013, 02:31:24 PM
No more bad pixels since the latest raw2dng update. Nice work a1ex !  8)

And there seems to be no more corrupted frames with pink blocks using the last night ML's build so far. (Global Draw Off of course)

Oh and thank you rocket, very useful script.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bhursey on June 10, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
This past weekend we went out for a photo walk in Athens GA in addition to my film camera I used for stills I brought along my 60D loaded down with ML raw video.. It is still a work in progress and about 1/3 done.  However it was shot at 1280x544 at 23.976fps..  I think this works well.  Of course watch in hd.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: NickRamey on June 10, 2013, 04:58:36 PM
MY 60D SAYS IT CANNOT FIND THE AUTOEX. BIN???? WHATS WRONG?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: D1rtMcGirt on June 10, 2013, 06:34:06 PM
Does anybody else have problems with the .wav files while recording raw? Because i don't get them at all...
I have the 8-6-13 build.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 10, 2013, 06:42:50 PM
MY 60D SAYS IT CANNOT FIND THE AUTOEX. BIN???? WHATS WRONG?

Have you installed ML? If so just download the latest build from here (the one on the bottom) - its an automatic build & has an autoexec.bin & a modules folder with all the right stuff:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2

Replace the autoexec.bin on the route of your SD card & then put the Modules folder into the ML folder.

Does anybody else have problems with the .wav files while recording raw? Because i don't get them at all...
I have the 8-6-13 build.

No sound!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: D1rtMcGirt on June 10, 2013, 06:50:20 PM
No sound!

And with that you mean it's broken still on the 60D?  ???
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 10, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
And with that you mean it's broken still on the 60D?  ???

When the question was asked one of the developers basically said "forget it".
SD controller in the camera isn't fast enough, so we're kinda still in the same position as before this hack.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 10, 2013, 07:36:14 PM
hey guys i've tried to install update 8 but it forces my camera to rec to 10.1 mb/s instead 20/21 mb/s (with update 6 without lv_af_raw).
This issue reduce frame recorded (same resolution 960x540) from 8000+ to 530.  :-\

ok i've installed last night build and update 8. On recording with global draw ON i've 10 mb/s writing speed and max 530 frame, but with global draw OFF i've 20/21 mbs writing speed and 8000+ frame.

With update 6 i can recording with global draw ON or OFF over 8000 frame. Why?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 10, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
Obviously, the overlays don't run on water, they need some CPU power too. Turn off some of them...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 10, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
Obviously, the overlays don't run on water, they need some CPU power too. Turn off some of them...

i agree but with update 6 this doesn't happen. However with lv_af_raw i've hot or dead pixel (after sensor cleaning too). How i can resolve?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 10, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
you need a fresh raw2dng

i agree but with update 6 this doesn't happen. However with lv_af_raw i've hot or dead pixel (after sensor cleaning too). How i can resolve?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 10, 2013, 08:19:43 PM
you need a fresh raw2dng

this? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads
This is exactly what i used  :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 10, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
no.. I can send you raw_rec for Mac if you want.. ?

this? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads
This is exactly what i used  :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 10, 2013, 08:34:30 PM
no.. I can send you raw_rec for Mac if you want.. ?

raw_rec? maybe raw2dng...i prefer win but ok...send me mac version thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 10, 2013, 08:37:22 PM
yes, raw2dng ;)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9xliasqly6d1bd/raw2dng.zip

raw_rec? maybe raw2dng...i prefer win but ok...send me mac version thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 10, 2013, 08:39:17 PM
It looks like rocket compiles raw2dng for windows :)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 10, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
It looks like rocket compiles raw2dng for windows :)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2

All WORK PERFECT!!! thanks a lot for help and quick response  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 11, 2013, 01:14:17 AM
Thanks for the posts guys (esp. marekk and sarotaz) your other posts got me fixed too...I updated my raw2dng, and rebuilt my ML cards with build 8. This cleared up my 'double raw menu' issues. I then turned off global draw, and did a test...no more pink blocks (at least in 960x540), and of course the new raw2dng fixed the stuck pixel issue. So WAYYYY better than my last run at this over the weekend... :-)

I do hope we can actually reach a point where global draw can run when we grab raw...I really like having my waveforms or histogram, but for now at least I can swap that on or off as needed.

Again - many thanks for all the posts from everyone - it let me infer what I needed and get things cleaned up.

in other topics (in case it helps others) I do have A Mosaic Eng. filter, and when I get a chance I will try some shots in raw and see if it does impact the image - I know in normal (compressed HD) footage the filter does what it advertises and clean up moire and aliasing...I will let you know what I find out, but it may be a few days before I can do a good test.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: psihodrill on June 11, 2013, 04:34:59 PM
It`s possible add ChangeLog to ML releases? For better testing. in this way i can know things i shod test.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: SDX on June 11, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
It is up to the person who is compiling and distributing the update to document the changes.

However, everybody can see a very detailed log about all changes to the code here: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/branch/unified
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 11, 2013, 06:05:56 PM
It`s possible add ChangeLog to ML releases? For better testing. in this way i can know things i shod test.

Ours is an automatic update now, you get it from here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2

So you just check here to find out what's been implemented/changed:

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ilguercio on June 13, 2013, 03:37:45 AM
I am downloading the auto generated builds from the first post of the thread and i get error 80 whenever i try to load modules with the latest build. Anybody else has the same problem?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: brapodam on June 13, 2013, 11:53:34 AM
I am downloading the auto generated builds from the first post of the thread and i get error 80 whenever i try to load modules with the latest build. Anybody else has the same problem?
Yes I get the same problem. Just use the older builds provided in dropbox, they work fine for me. Just keep going one build older until you get one that works.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 13, 2013, 07:52:41 PM
I've just tested it and latest build (ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-13_16-50.zip) works on my 60D without issues. Please replace all files on your sd card (autoexec.bin and all files from modules directory: file_man.mo, magic.sym, pic_view.mo and raw_rec.mo)

I am downloading the auto generated builds from the first post of the thread and i get error 80 whenever i try to load modules with the latest build. Anybody else has the same problem?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Monticapone on June 13, 2013, 08:12:27 PM
Tested mine out again, 1280x720. Get until 350 Frames or so until it stops.
The felxibility is enormous!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on June 13, 2013, 08:30:25 PM
Tried yesterday build.

With my 32gb Sandisk Extreme 45mb/s with 1280x720 I'm getting 315 frames. I would like to have 1280 without crop too :(

MagicRaw fast and easy converting RAW to DNG.

I've thought that 600D was better than my 60D for having UHS but it's useless!

Hate to change picture quality each time for pictures-- raw.

The same principle applies for the H264 video recording (more buffer with S1 mode selected?). This could make high bitrates without buffer erros?

Thank you ML team :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on June 13, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
I filmed a video with more than 4 gb, now i have a winrar and .raw file. I can't open none of the two with winrar or raw2dng. Is there a solution...  :-[ :-[ :-[ please help?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: xenocide38 on June 14, 2013, 01:35:46 AM
Highly detailed textures and patterns test:

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ilguercio on June 14, 2013, 03:57:22 AM
@marekk:i in fact replaced every file but as another user reported i got err80. It's gone now so "who cares" :D
I tried to record at max raw resolution but i get pink frames and they are not aligned. Also, if i let the buffer fill up i get an error on the screen and the file does not get recorded. All in all i don't think i am going to use raw video that much, not unless it's 10 bit because it is a bit too hard to get the most out of it right now.
I appreciate the effort but it's not a feature for me :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on June 14, 2013, 10:07:26 AM
@ marekk
Could you add a link to the automatic builds in the first post, so it would be easy to find?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 14, 2013, 10:14:19 AM
It's there from the beginning :)

@ marekk
Could you add a link to the automatic builds in the first post, so it would be easy to find?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 14, 2013, 04:12:18 PM
On full resolution 16:9 1728x972 (no FPS override & in Canon Menu 1920x1080 24p), i'm getting a fluctuation of frames - either 118 or 129.
I noticed this yesterday & have just confirmed it with today's the latest build - it is now alternating between the 2.
What is also interesting is that the speed reading whilst recording is only slightly different - for 129 frames it goes between 20.8-21MB/s & for 118 it can be anything between 20.2-20.6MB/s.

Some how the camera is managing to squeeze more speed out, but why is anyone's guess.

Just thought it might be useful info?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jimharrison.film on June 14, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
OK so Raw Video on the 60D (and all Canon cameras for that matter) is an amazing achievement, there's no doubt about it.

However, am I the only one that thinks its pretty pointless when the 60D only writes 20mb/s?  Yes, I can see that recording 720p upscaled is sharper, and more dynamic than 1080p h.264, but the only continuous recording possible seems to be 960x540, which is pretty much standard def, so not much use either. 

Is this likely to improve with future developments, or are we stuck with what we have due to the 20mb/s max write speed?  If this isn't an option, is there any chance that outputting to a lower bit rate would make it possible to shoot continuous 1080p recordings in raw?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: FullSensor on June 14, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
I agree with you.
There's no point recording at 960x.... (I didn't even try !... ok maybe once) excepted for fun !
I only test with the maximum resolution 1728x736 24P, and the use of 2,35:1 format is to get the max possible number of frames : 164.
Or at x5 and x10 at 1920x1080 in 16/9 format, but for fewer frames (118).

This is all amazing and very exciting, but I believe, at this stage of developement on 60D, it's only for testing purpose and getting familiar with RAW editing workflow (while waiting maybe for BMPCC and more).

Unless we can some day get around that SD controller limitation.

Besides, as always, the aliasing and moiré are horrible !
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 14, 2013, 06:48:41 PM
Back then, when we thought raw video was not even possible on 1000x cards at 24 fps, Luke Neumann asked me that even if I could record 3 seconds of video, he could definitely use that.

The 60D records 118 frames at 1734x976 24p according to my simulation. That's 5 seconds of video.

If we squeeze another 128MB of memory, that will be 184 frames (7.5 seconds). Not bad for short films IMO.

With end trigger and 400MB buffer, it will shoot 140 frames (~6 seconds). With current buffer configuration (280MB), you can do 96 frames (4 seconds) with end trigger.

Note: end trigger is not yet implemented, this is just theory.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 14, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
If we squeeze another 128MB of memory, that will be 184 frames (7.5 seconds). Not bad for short films IMO.

With end trigger and 400MB buffer, it will shoot 140 frames (~6 seconds). With current buffer configuration (280MB), you can do 96 frames (4 seconds) with end trigger.

Note: end trigger is not yet implemented, this is just theory.

Is this how much unused memory you've found?
Yep, definitely useable.
Has anyone figured if 10bit instead of 14bit is possible & would this mean longer recording times?
Or just cleaner H264...

& BM Pocket probably won't even come with Raw on shipment! (if it ships at all)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 14, 2013, 07:04:07 PM
Yes, I smell that much is unused, but I don't know how to allocate it yet.

Forget 10 and 12 bits.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 14, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
Yes, I smell that much is unused, but I don't know how to allocate it yet.

I'm not sure if you noticed my earlier post, but i'm getting 129 & 118 alternating frame amounts on 16:9 1728x972 (& only on this setting).
So something has changed recently & appears to be allowing the write speed to nearly get to its limit - it seems to start at 20.9mb/s, jump to 21mb/s & then jump down again to 20.8mb/s.
So far i've noticed that the write speed on the lower settings doesn't go much above 20.2mb/s.

Thanks for all your hard work!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Janssen on June 14, 2013, 10:24:40 PM

This was shot with magic lantern Raw on the 60D
I chose the highest resolution at 2.35 crop
I got 7 seconds per recording (179 frames)

The post proces went through:
1.Raw2DNG
2.PS to TIFF
3.QT7 image sequence to Prores

Intensely amazing difference from h.264 codec. 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: andresrmateo on June 14, 2013, 11:03:42 PM
In the future will be possible recording fluid raw video in 60d cameras?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 15, 2013, 02:47:50 AM
I agree with a1ex actually... I'm doing a TV advert these days - paid job again. For the last week I've been shooting RAW almost everyday while not working on the main stuff.

4.4 secs on the 1734x976 24.000 overridden... I made a small laminated chart to carry in my pocket with the time capabilities of each resolution from 1734x... => 1600x... => 1472x... => 1344x... and 1280x...
So from the 1734x976 - 4.4 secs to the 1280x720 - 14seconds I am pretty happy. Only thing I need to do is rethink well every shot, place it, coordinate start/end and just overall pre-plan of everything.

Actually I think this limitation works towards my skills as a cinematographer :D haha There's also this kind of feeling one of my video course teachers was talking about - trying to save film in the old days with the huge ass cameras and expensive film reels. It probably feels the same to some extent when shooting with 3 x 32gb cards and a 70gb free space on a laptop around me + THESE TIME LIMITS THAT I SEE AS AN AWESOME THING NOW.  LOL

THANKS AGAIN ML!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: lmf on June 15, 2013, 04:10:19 AM
Was using the this version: ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-14_22-40.zip
RAW not loaded,
Error loading  ‘B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym': File dose not exist
May I ask This is how it, here is the error Image


https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h42cv817ge62nr/4.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5cb5e1iurje3az/3.jpg?m
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 15, 2013, 06:21:27 AM
Was using the this version: ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-14_22-40.zip
RAW not loaded,
Error loading  ‘B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym': File dose not exist

Me too... :-[
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: andresrmateo on June 15, 2013, 07:18:24 AM
@marekk

In the future will be possible recording fluid raw video in 60d cameras?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: form China on June 15, 2013, 07:54:26 AM
Me too... :-[
Me too  :'(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 15, 2013, 09:55:08 AM

So from the 1734x976 - 4.4 secs to the 1280x720 - 14seconds I am pretty happy. Only thing I need to do is rethink well every shot, place it, coordinate start/end and just overall pre-plan of everything.


+1 @Burni_

A few weeks ago I told A1ex that I'll wait for the official version of ML raw... Found out I just couldn't resist:) I have been experimenting a bit the past week like others are doing, and despite the workflow and the limitation of the 60D sd, it's worth my time learning to use raw. Huge thanks to A1ex and the ML team.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: form China on June 15, 2013, 01:55:15 PM
Hey guys!

When I was using the these version:06-14_19-20.zip   —    06-15_10-40.zip
They all have the same error :(
RAW not loaded,
Error loading  ‘B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym': File dose not exist


How do I solve this problem

many thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on June 15, 2013, 02:07:51 PM
Error loading  ‘B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym': File dose not exist

Same error for me too  :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 15, 2013, 02:16:55 PM
Just revert to the last one that worked for you - i think they are trying different things with modules (for instance, Auto ETTR is now a module) & have done something to the Makefile. Its been reported.
They are also trying things to get us more memory - 128MB more.

The last build that worked for me was: ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-14_07-40
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on June 15, 2013, 02:49:14 PM
 I re-created account,  Previous name is [form China]
Suddenly I found a misspelled word, Mistake from spell form
Well now
 ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on June 15, 2013, 04:16:46 PM
Question for everyone: Is there a particular nightly build you would recommend that allows for a more frames than the most current one (maybe an older versions gets higher frame rates at the higher resolutions but has has some features removed or is more optimized)? In other words if I want to get maximum length without dipping down to 720p or less should I use the newest one or is there a milestone build that I should stick with?  I want to shoot some footage of my baby this weekend and I'm just wondering if people have seen any gains from the 5/27 build I still have.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on June 15, 2013, 05:55:34 PM
Actually I think this limitation works towards my skills as a cinematographer

agree, the CPN is showing this commercial shot with the C300, 1DX, 5D III, however, I can't see a single shot which is more than a few seconds, probably it is being cut from a long clip, but with careful planning of every shot, 60D can almost do the same in RAW.
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/shooting_a_maserati_commercial_with_the_c300.do

I just want to say, continuous recording of video is not a must in every usage.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 15, 2013, 08:40:44 PM
Here's a test I did last week shooting only at 1792 x 736 (2.35:1) using update #8. I got 178 frames throughout, with liveview on and based my exposure (overexposed mostly) on the histogram.



Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on June 16, 2013, 03:45:07 AM
Is 960x540 worse than H.264 720p? I'm curious because that resolution seems to allow the longest recording. For what I do, I simply can't shoot in burst of 6 to 10sec... It's way too short.

thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 16, 2013, 07:26:39 AM
Here's a test I did last week shooting only at 1792 x 736 (2.35:1) using update #8. I got 178 frames throughout, with liveview on and based my exposure (overexposed mostly) on the histogram.

Beautiful work, jayas :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: brapodam on June 16, 2013, 10:19:45 AM
Hey guys!

When I was using the these version:06-14_19-20.zip   —    06-15_10-40.zip
They all have the same error :(
RAW not loaded,
Error loading  ‘B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym': File dose not exist


How do I solve this problem

many thanks!
Same here, and it also seems that Auto ETTR was dropped or something. I don't see it any more.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jai554 on June 16, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
50D 60MB/s speed already unlocked to 70MB/s now...
I just saw it...
So it is not impossible for our 60D to get higher SD card i hope... :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 16, 2013, 11:32:02 AM
Ettr module is not included in rocket's autobuild, I've just send him a message to add it to autobuild

Same here, and it also seems that Auto ETTR was dropped or something. I don't see it any more.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: brapodam on June 16, 2013, 11:49:34 AM
Ettr module is not included in rocket's autobuild, I've just send him a message to add it to autobuild
Oh, ok thanks. I was wondering where it went.

By the way, the latest build (ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-16_09-20.zip) still has the missing symbol file issue. Any idea what is the issue there? Is there supposed to be a "B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym" file but it's not included in the autocompiled builds or is it not even supposed to exist?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 16, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
simply rename magic.sym to 60D_111.sym.

Here is a fresh build with ETTR module:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgc0NmSmtmZU9ENUE/edit?usp=sharing


Oh, ok thanks. I was wondering where it went.

By the way, the latest build (ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-16_09-20.zip) still has the missing symbol file issue. Any idea what is the issue there? Is there supposed to be a "B:/ML/MODULES/60D_111.sym" file but it's not included in the autocompiled builds or is it not even supposed to exist?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JusT92 on June 16, 2013, 12:38:29 PM

hi guys,
is it possible to get ML with raw video modul working on more then one card ?
i mean 2 cards with ML ...
i got only 2x 16Gb ... so 16 gb of raw footage is like 6 mins or so with my 60D =D
so how to prepare a the sec card ?

sry for my bad english :/ hope u get it ^^
Modify message
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vertigopix on June 16, 2013, 12:40:36 PM
Hi marekk !

Can't access your file, access denied...   :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: brapodam on June 16, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
simply rename magic.sym to 60D_111.sym.

Here is a fresh build with ETTR module:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgc0NmSmtmZU9ENUE/edit?usp=sharing
Not sure if you meant it to be that way, but it says I need to request access (which I have done, but wouldn't it be more useful to set it such that anyone who has the link can access it?)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 16, 2013, 01:15:51 PM
try now

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgc0NmSmtmZU9ENUE/edit?usp=sharing

Not sure if you meant it to be that way, but it says I need to request access (which I have done, but wouldn't it be more useful to set it such that anyone who has the link can access it?)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: brapodam on June 16, 2013, 01:32:57 PM
try now

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgc0NmSmtmZU9ENUE/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks, works perfect
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on June 16, 2013, 02:04:26 PM
Here's a test I did last week shooting only at 1792 x 736 (2.35:1) using update #8. I got 178 frames throughout, with liveview on and based my exposure (overexposed mostly) on the histogram.

it`s very beautiful !
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on June 16, 2013, 02:09:26 PM
50D 60MB/s speed already unlocked to 70MB/s now...
I just saw it...
So it is not impossible for our 60D to get higher SD card i hope... :)
i hope so! 8)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: davidcl0nel on June 16, 2013, 03:37:58 PM
I like the Image from June/8th very much, I am very busy doing several tests, so I didn't switch the image to a newer one yet.
I do in the last days "only" timelapse with fps override (1fps) - and I love it! So I don't have any problems regarding writing speed.
But sometimes the capture breaks, and the camera didnt responde until I get out the battery. So there are some minor issues with stability I think.
In the next days we expect here thunderstorms and I will try the "new" bolt rec feature, If it is possible to do something great.
My best shot of last year doing the good ol' way of 15-30sek shutter time gave me this result:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidcl0nel/8543588975/
Maybe there is something more possible. ;-)


Now I got a 2000 frame sequence (30min), and got over the 4GB "barrier", so it seems to be no problem. But it seems to don't react to time changes (in manual mode) from 1/1600 to 1/2000 after start.
On "normal" video with fps override I can raise the exposing time without a problem.


Anyway, well done, and I will see, what the good ol'd 60D is capable of in the next weeks. ;-)


Edit: Nope, it runs out yet, I got a 4.194.304kb size RAW file and a 3.151.146kb r00 file. The size on the display while recording seems to be the added size (7G), while it ends after 4GB and didn't restart automatically regardless of the restart option, which was set. Never mind, I will check now the results. ;-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 16, 2013, 06:13:16 PM
try now

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgc0NmSmtmZU9ENUE/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you marekk!! You're my hero!!
It's my first 60D Raw video.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on June 17, 2013, 05:14:07 AM
Thank you marekk!! You're my hero!!
It's my first 60D Raw video.

RAW video was really amazing !
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 17, 2013, 06:22:37 AM
RAW video was really amazing !

Agreed! Well done.

@ 8beeeaaat, did you use manual focus pulling, or ML rack focus feature?

Which lens(es) did you use?

Thanks!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 17, 2013, 06:41:07 AM
50D 60MB/s speed already unlocked to 70MB/s now...
I just saw it...
So it is not impossible for our 60D to get higher SD card i hope... :)

As far as I know, the 60D SD card interface is currently hardware-limited to about 20 MB/s write speed.

Alternatives for improvement, as I understand:

• Alex is working on a way to squeeze a bit more buffer memory
• theoretically, the USB interface can achieve UHS-1 speeds: if we can use this to bypass the internal SD card altogether, there could be a huge improvement in write speeds
• UHS-1 - capable SD card interface (such as the 6D has) could be hardware-modded into earlier cameras

With respect to the great news on the 50D write speed: CF card speed capabilities are massively higher than that of SD cards.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 17, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
Agreed! Well done.

@ 8beeeaaat, did you use manual focus pulling, or ML rack focus feature?

Which lens(es) did you use?

Thanks!

I didn't use ML rack focus. All clips were recorded in manual focus. (my hand)
The focus peaking function is very helpful! :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 17, 2013, 05:03:18 PM
I didn't use ML rack focus. All clips were recorded in manual focus. (my hand)
The focus peaking function is very helpful! :)

:) using your own digits!

Yes, I found that focus peaking is superb, making use of my Canon FD manual focus lenses, much more practical.

What lens(es) did you use for that film, 8beeeaaat?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 17, 2013, 08:27:21 PM
I didn't use ML rack focus. All clips were recorded in manual focus. (my hand)
The focus peaking function is very helpful! :)


Yes, I found that focus peaking is superb, making use of my Canon FD manual focus lenses, much more practical.


I forgot about the focus peaking! That's why my focus was off in some of my clips:)

Did another test a couple of days ago at 1792 x 736 using ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-12_13-50 (haven't tried the latest ones yet). Brought along my slider to see if it is possible to operate (manually) and get usable footage within the time constraint of 7 seconds. Very tight, 1-2 secs used up pressing start and starting the slide. Also a few clips have the magenta flash at the beginning.

This is the outcome:

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: supermala on June 18, 2013, 12:50:48 AM
Also did a test, with my workflow description. Shot with ISO 800 ETTR.
Anybody would like a espresso??  ;)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: supermala on June 18, 2013, 12:59:48 AM
one thing I didn't get till now  :-[
what I am going to do with that raw2dng (OS) file from the hourly downloads?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kingskafa on June 18, 2013, 05:54:06 AM
Hello friends!
I have been stalking this forum for awhile.
I used an older ML build from the 8th I think.. but this new 60D one
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgY1J4b1MyLUxzMFU/edit
keeps saying that the magic.sym is missing when loaded onto my camera.   Every time I download it, it downloads as a .txt  I change it to just .sym but it stays a .txt file    I try to use an older magic.sym... still no good
Any ideas? 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 18, 2013, 05:55:10 AM
What lens(es) did you use for that film, 8beeeaaat?

I used

* Voigtlander Color-Ultron 50mm f1.8 (much scene. It's my favorite lens :) )
* SIGMA 17-70mm f2.8-4 DC OS HSM Macro (Tokyo Tower)
* SIGMA APO 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG MACRO (Tokyo Tower)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: brapodam on June 18, 2013, 06:23:39 AM
Hello friends!
I have been stalking this forum for awhile.
I used an older ML build from the 8th I think.. but this new 60D one
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgY1J4b1MyLUxzMFU/edit
keeps saying that the magic.sym is missing when loaded onto my camera.   Every time I download it, it downloads as a .txt  I change it to just .sym but it stays a .txt file    I try to use an older magic.sym... still no good
Any ideas?
Try the builds from here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kingskafa on June 18, 2013, 06:36:24 AM
Oh YES!! THANK YOU. That works!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DavidSmolik on June 18, 2013, 07:57:56 AM
I wanted to try how many frames can I get from my 60D at different resolutions and aspect ratios. I was testing on sunny day with ISO 100 and Sandisk SDHC 45MB/s card. Might be helpful for somebody. :)
Results here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl7qlrsujkrnqg0/RAW_60D.xlsx
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cuttooth on June 18, 2013, 06:39:47 PM
Great spreadsheet David. I am using the exact same card and have tested on several different builds and I am not getting as many frames as you. at 1728x972 I am only getting 74 frames, 1600x900 100 frames etc. I have the global draw turned off, are there any other settings I need to turn off to get the most frames?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on June 18, 2013, 06:48:44 PM
Great spreadsheet David. I am using the exact same card and have tested on several different builds and I am not getting as many frames as you. at 1728x972 I am only getting 74 frames, 1600x900 100 frames etc. I have the global draw turned off, are there any other settings I need to turn off to get the most frames?

Turn RAW image quality off and set it to S3 :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cuttooth on June 18, 2013, 06:56:29 PM
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 18, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
Hey guys! Just bought a 60D so I could shoot RAW! Can someone link the newest version of RAW2DNG for me please? Still trying to figure out the best workflow. Seems it's hard to do on a Mac with Premiere Pro.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cuttooth on June 18, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
You can download raw2dng.app here: https://bitbucket.org/600dplus/magic-lantern-things/downloads

I have been using the raw2dng.app.0.10.zip because ver 0.11 wasn't working for me. The latest version is 0.12, but I havent tried it yet.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 18, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
You can download raw2dng.app here: https://bitbucket.org/600dplus/magic-lantern-things/downloads

I have been using the raw2dng.app.0.10.zip because ver 0.11 wasn't working for me. The latest version is 0.12, but I havent tried it yet.

Wow! Thanks! 0.12 makes a .mov of the RAW footage along with the DNG's!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on June 18, 2013, 09:59:41 PM
Wow! Thanks! 0.12 makes a .mov of the RAW footage along with the DNG's!

Be careful though: the prores file that Raw2Dng 0.12 makes is not fit for using as an actual source file ( in a lot of scenarios). It makes for a great "check file" to keep track of your footage but it does not fix any issues with hot/dead pixels and it bakes in a strange white balance etc.

I have found that I still need to do pre-processing on my files upon import to After Effects. The actual DNGs do not show the hot pixels either. Even the default "as shot" white balance on import to AE is way way better.

Just my two cents
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 18, 2013, 10:23:03 PM

• theoretically, the USB interface can achieve UHS-1 speeds: if we can use this to bypass the internal SD card altogether, there could be a huge improvement in write speeds


What kind of hardware could it be programmed to accept?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 18, 2013, 10:30:09 PM
Be careful though: the prores file that Raw2Dng 0.12 makes is not fit for using as an actual source file ( in a lot of scenarios). It makes for a great "check file" to keep track of your footage but it does not fix any issues with hot/dead pixels and it bakes in a strange white balance etc.

I have found that I still need to do pre-processing on my files upon import to After Effects. The actual DNGs do not show the hot pixels either. Even the default "as shot" white balance on import to AE is way way better.

Just my two cents

Thanks man, Yeah just using it for a quick check then bringing the DNG's into After Effects. Exporting ProRes 444!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 19, 2013, 01:50:13 AM

commit 0db037b 
speedsim.py: added a simple buffer optimization. Example: 550D 1152x464 23.976 21.0MB/s => 1819 frames; with current ML method: 390.


Any Idea if this can be ported/utilized on the 60D?  Have not seen any difference with the last hourly build _16-00.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 19, 2013, 02:23:12 AM
commit 0db037b 
speedsim.py: added a simple buffer optimization. Example: 550D 1152x464 23.976 21.0MB/s => 1819 frames; with current ML method: 390.


Any Idea if this can be ported/utilized on the 60D?  Have not seen any difference with the last hourly build _16-00.

Whaaaa? If they did it on the 550D it will be done on the 60D!  ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 19, 2013, 02:52:45 AM
That's what I'm hoping bud (but don't get too excited yet)

But since the 60D has not really been in the spotlight yet (Thanks again Marekk and Rocket!) it is best for all us 60D owners to find constructive ways of getting attention.

60D Nation is probably larger than any other category and likely the least technically inclined.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 19, 2013, 04:00:35 AM
What kind of hardware could it be programmed to accept?

As far as I remember, it was a1ex who made the comment about these cameras’ USB being theoretically capable of UHS-1 speeds.

I believe the capability to have the camera dump to an external card or drive is part of a Canon WiFi adapter.

As to what external hardware, we can drool that it would be something like the CF card guys are getting all excited about:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5470.


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 19, 2013, 04:16:03 AM
I forgot about the focus peaking! That's why my focus was off in some of my clips:)

Did another test a couple of days ago at 1792 x 736 using ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-12_13-50 (haven't tried the latest ones yet). Brought along my slider to see if it is possible to operate (manually) and get usable footage within the time constraint of 7 seconds. Very tight, 1-2 secs used up pressing start and starting the slide. Also a few clips have the magenta flash at the beginning.

This is the outcome:

<snip>

Well done, Jayhas.

From an Image Quality standpoint, I noticed ants crawling on the stair risers at the 50 second mark.

I’d bet they’d be lost in in-camera H.264 mooshiness; only way to capture such detail would be RAW.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: lmf on June 19, 2013, 05:29:33 AM
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https://creative.adobe.com/products/premiere
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 19, 2013, 05:53:52 AM
that's a lot of K
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on June 19, 2013, 08:24:37 AM
Whaaaa? If they did it on the 550D it will be done on the 60D!  ;)

Fingers crossed! This could be a game changer! If that be around 75 seconds at just under 1280x720p would that mean around 30sec at the higher 1600x900?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: theollybanks on June 19, 2013, 02:36:25 PM
We have so much buffer at our disposal, I think this 550D buffer optimisation coupled with a1ex's idea about unlocking some of that unavailable buffer he mentioned we could indeed be looking at some form of "long enough" recording time, it might not be practical for interviews or event's but with every project comes the appropriate gear, and by that I mean RAW or H.264.

If donations would help, I mean specifically for the development of making the 60D viable, you show me where to send my checks and to who!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 19, 2013, 04:53:12 PM
We have so much buffer at our disposal, I think this 550D buffer optimisation coupled with a1ex's idea about unlocking some of that unavailable buffer he mentioned we could indeed be looking at some form of "long enough" recording time, it might not be practical for interviews or event's but with every project comes the appropriate gear, and by that I mean RAW or H.264.


yea I have been following the commits (comments only as the rest is completely foreign to me)

Marekk has been making some big moves with the 60D but he keeps really quiet about it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 19, 2013, 04:53:22 PM
I'm going to test sorting of buffers and splitting them into smaller pieces in the evening.

We have so much buffer at our disposal, I think this 550D buffer optimisation coupled with a1ex's idea about unlocking some of that unavailable buffer he mentioned we could indeed be looking at some form of "long enough" recording time, it might not be practical for interviews or event's but with every project comes the appropriate gear, and by that I mean RAW or H.264.

If donations would help, I mean specifically for the development of making the 60D viable, you show me where to send my checks and to who!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 19, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
no :)

a1ex is making big moves.. I only added some 60D config and shared compiled binaries :)


Marekk has been making some big moves with the 60D but he keeps really quiet about it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 19, 2013, 05:43:45 PM

From an Image Quality standpoint, I noticed ants crawling on the stair risers at the 50 second mark.

I’d bet they’d be lost in in-camera H.264 mooshiness; only way to capture such detail would be RAW.


Thanks Haliburton. I happened to have a shot of the same scene on H264, also with the slider. So I made a quick comparison video to highlight the stark difference in clarity of both format. Not that we didn't already know:)

Raw video scaled up to match 1080p and the H264 color adjusted to the raw shot.



Seven seconds was just barely enough to get slider shots, so if the latest news about better buffer optimization is positive, even jib shots in raw will be viable on the 60D! Looking forward to that.


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: theollybanks on June 19, 2013, 06:54:11 PM
I was talking about optimising buffer size's a little while back on a separate topic, and at the time it was deemed impossible, but now just weeks later it is! But still its really great how we've come up so many amazing solutions and work arounds for the limitations of RAW, SD Cards and Buffers, its honestly phenomenal how this website has made more dramatic changes to the operation of Canon DSLR's then canon have in dozens of firmware iterations!

I'm going to hopefully be using the 60D to shoot a few paid jobs in the next few weeks, I'm honestly that confident, its really a feat and I bow down to everyone on this forum and their seemingly infinite technical knowledge!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 19, 2013, 08:31:05 PM
no :)

a1ex is making big moves.. I only added some 60D config and shared compiled binaries :)

See what I mean?

At any rate everyone knows A1ex is awesome. His comments to stupid questions are so entertaining. If he had a t.v. show I would watch it!
But it is clear he is focused on 5D3 and an actual Alpha.


commit be40bfa 
 
dng banding fix from marekk

You can't hide from the commit's Marekk. But I do appreciate the little tidbit you just filled us in on.

To the rest of you: this does not give you free reign to start bugging Marekk (he's on our side) if you all start asking when? or how long?  I'll be happy to step in and give you a smackdown if A1lex is too busy.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 19, 2013, 09:47:27 PM
I've just tested sorting buffers but on 60D it doesn't change anything. We've got 11 buffers (8x32MB + 1x22MB). 550D has only 3 buffers for default so in their situation it's important which is first.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 19, 2013, 11:02:24 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 20, 2013, 05:21:12 AM
Here's my RAW video from last week in Hawaii. Such a response to the big Sur video that I decided to shoot all my personal stuff RAW on my 60D. Ran into a few issues that were mostly space and card related but you'll see some hot pixels and there were some magenta frames. I've got some error logs to post soon too. Check it out, post done in Lightroom and FCPX.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kotik on June 20, 2013, 02:18:49 PM
I've just tested sorting buffers but on 60D it doesn't change anything. We've got 11 buffers (8x32MB + 1x22MB).
Eleven buffers? I stopped counting after 9!  ;-)
My 60D and ML shows: Alloc: 31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+23M
Are these hardware differences a way to identify the difference between the 'slow' and 'fast' 60D's?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 20, 2013, 02:54:55 PM
ohh yes 9 :) I was so tired :)

Eleven buffers? I stopped counting after 9!  ;-)
My 60D and ML shows: Alloc: 31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+31M+23M
Are these hardware differences a way to identify the difference between the 'slow' and 'fast' 60D's?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 20, 2013, 03:08:23 PM
I haven't been here for a while and I was using the third build (I think). Does the last build offer any longer recording times? Dead pixel things don't bother me because my 60D does not seem to have any (at least I don't see them). Thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DavidSmolik on June 20, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
Last hourly build ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_08-00 is very unstable on my 60D. Camera crashes after few seconds from startup.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 20, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
Thanks for the heads up DavidSmolik

I haven't been here for a while and I was using the third build (I think). Does the last build offer any longer recording times? Dead pixel things don't bother me because my 60D does not seem to have any (at least I don't see them). Thanks!

I'm using hourly build _16-00  with no major problems.

Not longer recording times just more features.  Although I'm hopeful...longer recording times have not looked possible for us SD guys from the very beginning.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 20, 2013, 05:18:43 PM
60D's Raw(UPDATE #9) + Raw2Dng.app 0.13 or RAWMagic 1.0 makes some Dead / Hot pixels...

A: the ProRes4444 file that made by Raw2Dng.app 0.13
B: Cinema DNG that made by RAWMagic 1.0 + DaVinci Resolve preview
C: Premiere CR6 + Ginger HDR preview
D: AfterEffects CS6 via ACR preview

No dead / hot pixels pattern is only D.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 20, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
There is a new version of raw_rec with new buffering alghoritm:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/90c50ab005b7bb5307906a3352196248ce7f7d64?at=unified

It crashes during raw recording ? (if yes - on what resolution?)


Last hourly build ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_08-00 is very unstable on my 60D. Camera crashes after few seconds from startup.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 20, 2013, 05:25:42 PM
60D's Raw(UPDATE #9) + Raw2Dng.app 0.13 or RAWMagic 1.0 makes some Dead / Hot pixels...

A: the ProRes4444 file that made by Raw2Dng.app 0.13
B: Cinema DNG that made by RAWMagic 1.0 + DaVinci Resolve preview
C: Premiere CR6 + Ginger HDR preview
D: AfterEffects CS6 via ACR preview

No dead / hot pixels pattern is only D.

I convert with RAW2DNG and then do all my work in After Effects later, so maybe that's why I'm not seeing any hot pixels?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 20, 2013, 05:26:10 PM
As far as I know badpixel_opcode is added to DNG tags by standard raw2dng app only.


60D's Raw(UPDATE #9) + Raw2Dng.app 0.13 or RAWMagic 1.0 makes some Dead / Hot pixels...

A: the ProRes4444 file that made by Raw2Dng.app 0.13
B: Cinema DNG that made by RAWMagic 1.0 + DaVinci Resolve preview
C: Premiere CR6 + Ginger HDR preview
D: AfterEffects CS6 via ACR preview

No dead / hot pixels pattern is only D.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 20, 2013, 05:32:55 PM
Thank you for your replying, marekk & QUATRO.

I would like to trying in standard Raw2Dng via console.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DavidSmolik on June 20, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
There is a new version of raw_rec with new buffering alghoritm:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/90c50ab005b7bb5307906a3352196248ce7f7d64?at=unified

It crashes during raw recording ? (if yes - on what resolution?)

It always crashed when I went into ML menu and went to modules page..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on June 20, 2013, 05:51:53 PM
There is a new version of raw_rec with new buffering alghoritm:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/90c50ab005b7bb5307906a3352196248ce7f7d64?at=unified

It crashes during raw recording ? (if yes - on what resolution?)

My 60D just locked up right after entry into ML menu.  The buttons became unresponsive.  I had to take the batt. out--wouldn't even turn off via power switch.  Reverted back to a prev. working version (which you should always maintain while testing).

Looks like the dropbox is no longer public, too.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 20, 2013, 06:02:22 PM
Check memory usage. Define CONFIG_TCC_UNLOAD in modules.c (breaks ETTR), or make sure you don't load bolt_rec, or both.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on June 20, 2013, 07:04:02 PM
Global draw off.
Sandisk Extreme 45 MB/s 16 GB card.
1280 x 544 (2.35:1).

Before: 707 frames.
After: 861 frames.

Got an ERR 70 the 1st time, but not the 2nd, 3rd...

The buffer(s) indicator is cool, better than the stars by far.

Edit: at 1152 x 490 (2.35:1), before 1802 frames, after over 3,000 frames!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toxicsuds.com%2Fmagic_lantern%2FVRAM2.jpg&hash=f0a7fd16bd8427af22dcb8db163427aa)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 20, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
Finally got some nice test shots with my new 60D at Brooklyn Bridge yesterday! The Raw is incredible!

Shot at 1472x616 @ 23.976 fps. Slight grade in Premiere Pro CS6.


As always, watch in 1080P!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 20, 2013, 07:36:42 PM
Fixed.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 20, 2013, 07:45:22 PM
Why wont the video embed? >:(

delete the "s" on the "https"
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 20, 2013, 07:48:30 PM
delete the "s" on the "https"

Thanks Man!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on June 20, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
Thanks Man!

Thanks for the vid you might want to check your export render settings it was pretty pixelated. I know its a lower resolution jsut curious what was your settings? I havent had a chance to play around with raw on my 60D yet.  I got some shoots this weekend didnt want to chance since I have 2.3 working good. I'll give it ago later this weekend next week and put on some shots.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 20, 2013, 08:45:48 PM
Thanks for the vid you might want to check your export render settings it was pretty pixelated. I know its a lower resolution jsut curious what was your settings? I havent had a chance to play around with raw on my 60D yet.  I got some shoots this weekend didnt want to chance since I have 2.3 working good. I'll give it ago later this weekend next week and put on some shots.

Thanks man. It's not pixelation it's in the original DNG's too. I rendered at MAX quality on every setting in Premiere Pro.  Looks like Moiré and Aliasing because of all the buildings. All the close up shots don't show any video artifacts...Hmmm
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DavidSmolik on June 20, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
The last build is amazing! ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_17-40
On 1472x616 from 335 to 401 frames.
Keep on doing absolutely great job guys!!! :)

Edit: Every frame counts! ;) Gonna do tommorow more tests and put another spreadsheet here.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: theollybanks on June 21, 2013, 12:22:44 AM
So I wanted to test how much freedom RAW gave us in post, it was all very well hearing how fantastic it is I really wanted to try it out, so I wen't out and shot the following, and graded each clip differently, some were relatively light grades and some were rather dramatic, certainly miles higher than anything I'd even think of doing in the stock codecs shall we say limited colour space, it really is staggering how far we can push our images, to be clear I used only the tools available in Premier Pro, I've been having issues with Resolve and RAW recently (My venerable 2011 iMac might not be up to the task), I think it may be obvious which clips have been pushed further, certainly believe it or not banding became a small issue with the highlights in the clouds at one point, but honestly, theres banding in the highlight skies with h.264 before you even touch the footage, So I'm over the moon really, I'd love to tell you specific  settings but Auto ETTR obviously has its drawbacks on that side, and my memory lacks dexterity... Anyway general settings at the end of the video and also my workflow!

(side note, I've noticed a total disappearance of the cumbersome vertical semi-transparent "lines" in the latest build)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 21, 2013, 12:32:21 AM
Thanks man. It's not pixelation it's in the original DNG's too. I rendered at MAX quality on every setting in Premiere Pro.  Looks like Moiré and Aliasing because of all the buildings. All the close up shots don't show any video artifacts...Hmmm

Actually... it's not normal/natural... somehow i had the same problem a while ago. Instead of using square pixels the DNGs were made of rectangular ones. I have no clue why did it do that. I do believe it has something to do with a specific resolution. The original DNG files looked like really poor resolution and they were in 1280x720p... I'm still searching for an explanation but I can't reproduce that effect. I am noticing you had your shutter speed cranked up. I had mine as well, but I see ABSOLUTELY NO connection between shutter and the DNGs pixel mode.

TRULY WEIRD :|
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 21, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
The last build is amazing! ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_17-40
On 1472x616 from 335 to 401 frames.
Keep on doing absolutely great job guys!!! :)

Edit: Every frame counts! ;) Gonna do tommorow more tests and put another spreadsheet here.

Using the same build I got 197-199 frames for 1728 x 736 (25fps). Previously as in my two videos it was 178 frames. Yes, every frame counts!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 21, 2013, 01:32:20 AM
Actually... it's not normal/natural... somehow i had the same problem a while ago. Instead of using square pixels the DNGs were made of rectangular ones. I have no clue why did it do that. I do believe it has something to do with a specific resolution. The original DNG files looked like really poor resolution and they were in 1280x720p... I'm still searching for an explanation but I can't reproduce that effect. I am noticing you had your shutter speed cranked up. I had mine as well, but I see ABSOLUTELY NO connection between shutter and the DNGs pixel mode.

TRULY WEIRD :|

That is really strange! And it sucks that it happened to the footage!!! I did have the shutter higher but under 1000....hmm More testing time!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 21, 2013, 01:38:38 AM
The last build is amazing! ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_17-40
On 1472x616 from 335 to 401 frames.
Keep on doing absolutely great job guys!!! :)

Edit: Every frame counts! ;) Gonna do tommorow more tests and put another spreadsheet here.

Where does one find these Hourly builds?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 21, 2013, 02:07:17 AM
Actually... it's not normal/natural... somehow i had the same problem a while ago. Instead of using square pixels the DNGs were made of rectangular ones. I have no clue why did it do that. I do believe it has something to do with a specific resolution. The original DNG files looked like really poor resolution and they were in 1280x720p... I'm still searching for an explanation but I can't reproduce that effect. I am noticing you had your shutter speed cranked up. I had mine as well, but I see ABSOLUTELY NO connection between shutter and the DNGs pixel mode.

TRULY WEIRD :|

Just tested at 1600x670 and your right!!!! Weird pixilation is gone!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on June 21, 2013, 02:24:15 AM
Where does one find these Hourly builds?

here

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2)

and even more interesting, if you are so inclined, follow some ongoing developments here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662.0)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on June 21, 2013, 02:51:09 AM
Just tested at 1600x670 and your right!!!! Weird pixilation is gone!!

Yup... really weird! Do you get crappy stuff at 16:9 - 1344 x "whatever the height was" ?

Anybody else getting rectangular pixels on the 1280x720p ?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 21, 2013, 03:12:47 AM
^Weird for sure! Hopefully it will be fixed in later builds! Also, I just lost 90 frames randomly today shooting at 1472x616!!^

here

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2)

and even more interesting, if you are so inclined, follow some ongoing developments here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662.0)

Thanks bro!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sdogle on June 21, 2013, 04:49:39 AM
my raw2dng is processing with no output files.....
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mva on June 21, 2013, 08:04:44 AM
my raw2dng is processing with no output files.....

Mine too.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sdogle on June 21, 2013, 08:30:23 AM
i installed BATCHelor 2.0 also and they weren't working earlier........ but for whatever reason its working....... and i'm getting 125-136 frames at the max resolution as opposed to yesterdays 68-75.... i'm gonna shoot some stuff and upload it later. i looooooooove this. thanks everyone.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mva on June 21, 2013, 08:47:09 AM
My raw2dng is working now. I think before I turned off the camera too soon after completing the shot and the .raw file was corrupted. I'm getting around 125 frames now too at 1728 x 972 (was getting around 109 before). Very nice!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DavidSmolik on June 21, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
I have a question for you guys. It has probably been answered or it's obvious but.. Why can 60D record max resolution of 1734x976? It's a hardware limitation (processor, SD card, ...)?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mva on June 21, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
I have a question for you guys. It has probably been answered or it's obvious but.. Why can 60D record max resolution of 1734x976? It's a hardware limitation (processor, SD card, ...)?

It's determined by the size of the liveview image. See here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.msg42453#msg42453
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mfegus on June 21, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
Hi to all! I am following this forum for a while. Since the beginning I was testing hourly releases and I must say you guys (a1ex, marekk) have been doing a really great job. I want to ask about possibilities of faster writing speeds via usb port or even hdmi. Is there any way to achieve longer recording times (just asking for theoretically posibilities)?

I also made short video three weeks ago. I like the details and richness of color raw footage delivers.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DavidSmolik on June 21, 2013, 12:31:34 PM
Hi to all! I am following this forum for a while. Since the beginning I was testing hourly releases and I must say you guys (a1ex, marekk) have been doing a really great job. I want to ask about possibilities of faster writing speeds via usb port or even hdmi. Is there any way to achieve longer recording times (just asking for theoretically posibilities)?

I also made short video three weeks ago. I like the details and richness of color raw footage delivers.


Absolutely beautiful video! The color and detail is amazing!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: aace on June 21, 2013, 12:55:53 PM
Hi to all! I am following this forum for a while. Since the beginning I was testing hourly releases and I must say you guys (a1ex, marekk) have been doing a really great job. I want to ask about possibilities of faster writing speeds via usb port or even hdmi. Is there any way to achieve longer recording times (just asking for theoretically posibilities)?

I also made short video three weeks ago. I like the details and richness of color raw footage delivers.


Beautiful video. What version of the raw2dng are you using to get rid of the dead pixels?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CFP on June 21, 2013, 01:03:16 PM
Why can 60D record max resolution of 1734x976?
Because the camera doesn't read the whole 5184 X 3456 sensor but skips every third line and column to get a resolution which is small enough to get processed in real time so it can be used as LiveView preview (That's also causing the strong aliasing on the Canon DSLRs). Magic Lantern just saves the images before they get processed :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mfegus on June 21, 2013, 01:31:42 PM
Beautiful video. What version of the raw2dng are you using to get rid of the dead pixels?

If you look closely there is two kind of footage - some has dead pixels and some not. They were also converted in two different versions of raw2tng. And the non-dead-pixel-version of the raw2tng is ... I dont know - from around 5th or 6th of june...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 21, 2013, 03:17:13 PM


Where is this? WOW!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vertigopix on June 21, 2013, 03:25:24 PM
Slovenia ?   :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mfegus on June 21, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
Slovenia ?   :)

Yep, Slovenia. :) - Been there? ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 21, 2013, 03:39:59 PM
Which RAW to DNG software is best for avoiding hot/dead pixels? I have tried Eyeframe, and while it sets up a nice folder tree for working with the footage, my shots look almost freckled they are so spotty...hopefully it's not the camera  :P
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vertigopix on June 21, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
Yep, Slovenia. :) - Been there? ;)

Yep !  8) and i'm an "half" from Trogir, Croatia.  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on June 21, 2013, 05:25:08 PM
standard raw2dng app

Which RAW to DNG software is best for avoiding hot/dead pixels? I have tried Eyeframe, and while it sets up a nice folder tree for working with the footage, my shots look almost freckled they are so spotty...hopefully it's not the camera  :P
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 21, 2013, 06:50:07 PM
Yes, that is better. Thanks marekk, for that and all your other work.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on June 21, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
If you downloaded EFC within the least few days the latest raw2dng is included in EyeFrame.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 21, 2013, 06:59:16 PM
I also made short video three weeks ago. I like the details and richness of color raw footage delivers.

Very nice! Makes it hard to go back shooting H264!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 21, 2013, 07:05:23 PM
If you downloaded EFC within the least few days the latest raw2dng is included in EyeFrame.

Even better - thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on June 21, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
Do you mean the the latest version of EFC is working better? If not you can exchange the raw2dng file in the EyeFrame Converter folder.
(Sorry for the thread jack)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JusT92 on June 21, 2013, 08:15:19 PM
where can i get the latest version ?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on June 21, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
http://eyeframe.tk/
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: JusT92 on June 21, 2013, 08:21:17 PM
i mean where can i get the latest magic lantern 60D with raw video ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 21, 2013, 08:53:19 PM
i mean where can i get the latest magic lantern 60D with raw video ;D

Hint: read this thread.  ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 21, 2013, 08:59:54 PM
i mean where can i get the latest magic lantern 60D with raw video ;D

But seriously; check the first post in this thread, there's also a recent raw_rec module link in post #534, and there are a couple dropbox links for the latest autoexec/raw2dng and modules for 60D as well...I usually install the nightly build, then combine that with the most current stuff for the 60D. It's all here.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 21, 2013, 09:04:59 PM
Thanks :)

I just received gift of a Nikon F2, motor drive, and Nikkor 50mm f1.4 and 80-200 zoom lenses.

So, off to pick up Cinevate adapter Nikon AI-S to Canon EOS - smooth pul-focus here we come!


I used

* Voigtlander Color-Ultron 50mm f1.8 (much scene. It's my favorite lens :) )
* SIGMA 17-70mm f2.8-4 DC OS HSM Macro (Tokyo Tower)
* SIGMA APO 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG MACRO (Tokyo Tower)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 21, 2013, 09:10:38 PM
My raw2dng is working now. I think before I turned of the camera too soon after completing the shot and the .raw file was corrupted. I'm getting around 125 frames now too at 1728 x 972 (was getting around 109 before). Very nice!

My add to Shield's kind post on recovering corrupted RAW files:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5732.msg47898#msg47898
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on June 22, 2013, 03:34:56 AM
Sorry if this has been answered I just read this thread front to back. How do these aspect ratios correlate to resolution once rendering to a deliverable extension. Like I know some are 2.35:1, 16:9, but even recording at raw 960x540 (16:9) would seem pointless. Is there a sweet spot that we can get some detail better than h.264 but with record times of 30-40 secs for raw? I know there is limitations with the hardware. I'm new to the film world but a tech guy just trying to get educated thanks. I have the 2.3 build of ML other than training and learning how to shoot raw any real world applications on the 60D outside of testing?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 8beeeaaat on June 22, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
Are anyone using the raw2dng.app in Mac ??
I can't convert to ProRes no hot/dead pixels by raw2dng without using ACR.
Of course, I can convert noiseless ProRes with AFX via ACR.
However, it is the painful work!

Please teach me the workflow.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on June 22, 2013, 10:16:30 PM
New "1080p" RAW video...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 22, 2013, 10:27:52 PM
PS (Yeah I edited it once it posted) - I know this is 'experimental' code. I know what development is like - I have managed commercial imaging products before. I am not trying to be unreasonable...but I just feel like either I am missing something, or there is WAY more variability in the 60D performance than I expected...Any diagnostic or settings advice is welcome - I WANT to find a way to use raw on this camera if I can. - CT

PPS - more data - I just added a test at 3:1 )1280 x 426. Once again, pink blocks and a couple mostly pink frames, at least 18 in 10 seconds (again, ISO 100, 180 degree shutter 24FPS defaults, Global Draw off, audio off (may not mater in raw), latest build, SanDisk Extreme Pro).  I did a test at 1280X536 as well, 3 frames in 10 seconds. As far as I can see now it is just pretty random...I can take a shot and hope for the best, but there does not appear to be any combination that wont get messed up at random right now...I just can't appear to find any 'safe' settings for 7-12 seconds that are consistent shot to shot (no single shot is actually free of bad data in some frames). I am continuing to try, but so far I can't find a way to get consistent footage in raw.

BTW - 2X data rate in H.264 works GREAT on this card and camera...I can go all day and not loose a shot...which is nice, but not quite as flexible as raw...but may be all I can get for now.

I downloaded the latest build from the hourly compiles by Rocket, and gave it a try on my new SanDisk Extreme Pro to see if the combination of this card and using a 2.39:1 lower res might get me past the random pink frames I got before.

I tried 1600x670 and 1472x616, and while I did get pretty good long recordings, I also got some (not as many as in older builds or 16:9 aspect ratio) pink blocks in my frames (sprinkled in the clips). Major bummer... :(

I have my audio turned off, I have Global Draw turned off, I have my still style set to S2, and every other setting I know about 'optimized' for RAW. My ISO was set to 100, speed to 24 (well you know it's really 23.976) FPS, shutter default to 180 (again, I am rounding the GUI off)...in short I did all I know to do with the fastest card I could buy (way faster than the interface on the 60D).

I know this sounds ungrateful, but I am a bit frustrated. I would really like to evaluate raw as a tool, but if I can't get consistent useful shots even at very short burst (7-14 seconds) how can I really use it as a tool at all? If I could find an aspect ratio and resolution that worked I would be at least able to do serious shots and decide if I can use the footage.

If I just get random messed up frames, is there any real way to easily extract them (automagically or not)? I suppose I can mark and delete them by hand, but frankly, at the amount I see in a 9-11 second clip I can't be sure the result will be worth looking at.

I am really just looking for even one resolution that actually works consistently (say more than 8 out of 10 times)...and yeah, I know, maybe I should just come back in 6 months when more code has been written and tested...I am an image processing specialist myself so I appreciate the code issues and hard work...but I am also a guy who wants to get good image quality out of his Canon camera gear for HD...and a happy Magic Lantern user before all this.

I can accept it if the 60D just won't ever work consistently for raw, but I think other folks may be getting MUCH better results, and I just want to figure out how.

I love the sharpness and DR of raw (just like stills), and I am not expecting full HD or any other impossible goal - I just can't for the life of me figure out what to change to get the sort of results others are posting from the 60D with apparently (from the correspondences I have had) no more data corruption from 'pink blocks'. 

Is there any sort of diagnostic test or settings 'bible' I can use to figure out a way around the darn pink menace? Or is everyone else getting it and just removing those frames and I should expect to do the same?

I understand it may boil down to cards too (or serial numbers of 60D), but if there was some way to test in advance and know what your results would be (or a source for cards that was consistent) that might help...like I said, if it is just my camera, well, I guess I will deal with it the old fashioned way (pay for another) if that works (same for cards),  but I really can't just keep playing 'pot luck' with every shot or every purchase (at the costs of cameras and high end cards).

Again - if this sort of thing is really just normal now, I can accept that, and I guess I can just wait and see, but it there is something I can actually do to get solid shots (or mostly solid shots) I really want to do it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 23, 2013, 03:28:09 AM
New "1080p" RAW video...

Lovely work, great color, OrionnebelGalaxie17!

Annoying that “the pinks” slip in from time to time:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg294.imagevenue.com%2Floc562%2Fth_44936_Oops_the_pinks_122_562lo.jpg&hash=cb31f0057878f26219d90fd59607a886) (http://img294.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=44936_Oops_the_pinks_122_562lo.jpg)

I have been making quickie fill-in frames to replace these, with the subsequent frame at 50% over the prior frame and flattened.

If someone knows a lot more about eg. After Effects, could you show us how to generate real tween frames, with motion interpolation?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 23, 2013, 03:37:04 AM
@cthornhill: I can’t address all that you’ve said, though it’s been my experience that SanDisk ExtremePro offer no advantage over regular “Extreme” branded SD cards (45 MB/s), due to the 60D’s hardware limitation of about 20 MB/s write speed.

Can’t imagine that the ExtremePro should be ant DISadvantage, but I have been shooting with the same tips you mention (GlobalDraw Off, larger buffer with still quality set to JPG only), and I rarely see pink frames any more, eg. numerous 1728x972 1 fps time lapse, 1800 frames (1/2 hour) with no pinks.

Again, I would hate to think it could be a problem, but perhaps try another (perhaps not-so-) fast card?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 23, 2013, 04:11:37 AM
Haliburton - Thanks, I agree other cards are well worth a try. I have been using regular 'extreme' (45MB) cards before and was hoping the 'Pro' might be better ( not so much that the 60D interface can use it, since it can't) but hoping that maybe the card might deliver smoother write performance at the speed the 60D can do...voodo really, so the engineer in me says  :))

Just not sure what to try next...hence the extended whine feast above.

Oh - also wasn't to say how great the last couple video's are...I reall got pumped by them too, I just need to get s set of code and settings so I can give ita whirl. I hate to wast limited location time if I can't use the footage - better to stick with X2 mode and do my best to grade it...not as flexible as raw, hence my casting about for a debug/solution...guess I just have to keep trying new builds and cards and settings for now.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: benllben on June 23, 2013, 10:04:26 AM
@cthornhill: That is quite unusual, i am also using a Sandisk Extreme 45MB/s card, in fact two of the 32gb flavor and i get pretty decent recording times. As Hailburton said, the ExtremePro shouldn't show any differences, however perhaps there is a problem with your current card.

Besides changing firmware settings, what other things have you tried?
Here are few suggestions:

Now when recording, several stars are drawn on screen representing the buffer as well as a number in Mb/s. How many stars do you have and what is the speed the camera says your card is working at?  If the speed is fine, the number should be between 20-21 (maximum of camera) and there should be plenty of stars (unsure of top of head, but its either around 4 or around 8-10). It should be the bigger number of stars.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on June 23, 2013, 12:36:26 PM
Out of the lesser cameras, we seem to be getting the best results & A1ex has already said that he thinks we have spare memory, which might give us a max of about 178 frames at full resolution (1728x972 @ 16:9). We probably won't get much more than this.

Also to be considered is that there seem to be 2 types of 60D & the first models (first year of release?) do produce more frames.
Faster cards do seem to make a bit of difference, but we're talking frames & not seconds.
Try with & without FPS Override.
The first 2 recordings always seem to be a bit dodgy, almost like the camera is warming up.
Try lower resolutions and/or crop sizes - 1600 or 1472 / 2.35:1 or 2.39:1 etc...

The new recording technique that A1ex has implemented works a lot better - from 118 to 137 frames (1728x972 @ 16:9). Yes, you'll get some pink frames every now & then, but this is barely at Alpha stage.

This is the build i'm using:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/K3xfBKkVN0/ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-22_07-40.zip

Just be patient, on the 60D we've gone from getting 72 Silent Pics to actually recording a few seconds RAW video - excellent achievement all considering!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 23, 2013, 02:00:27 PM
PS - Benllben -I was using the latest raw2dng (from the hourly builds by Rocket...many thanks to him too!) Bioskop, my build was ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-22_15-30 and as noted I used this raw2dng as well (I replace the version in BACHelor2.0 when I update versions and keep the old ones renames in case). In general with a code team I trust like the ML team, and an active dev project, I sort of prefer to stay up to date on code releases (for most things I have stuck with the release build but can't do that on active projects like raw). I am being lazy and not compiling myself (too much of that at work), but I can grab an interim if one is preferred and stick with it for a while...if that helps. I try to read the check in comments each day to see what is going on, and I got super excited by A1ex's work on buffers, and other's additons/refactors too so I updated to this newer build. I will try some of the tests suggested and see what I get...also - should I follow the FPS override notes on the 5DM3 page as the test? For frames I guess...I use that a lot in the stable release for undercrank and love it, but never tried it for normal 24FPS...Thanks for any ideas, I am hoping to get a viable 1600 res mode for me (viable for me) in at least 2.39:1...or when it all finalizes maybe even 16:9, but whatever works for now...and yeah, I know it will only be for as long as the buffer holds out (limited frame count) on the 60D!

Bioskop, Benllben, et. al, Thanks for the good advice! I will also be patient, I really do appreciate all the work and progress the Dev team is making. I used to write assembler and C to support video processing for early HD systems, and I have a great respect for anyone doing that sort do fiddly, high speed data transfer...heck, I had my work cutout for me and I had the darn manufacturer's direct support... :)!

Pulling the sensor data from the buffer direct to storage was a brilliant move...I only wish the team had access to ASIC logic/processing to run light compression to get rid of some redundant data for a more efficient raw stream...Canon really ought to consider doing that themselves or helping ML do it...even 2:1 or 4:1 (visual lossless, non temporal compression) on the bitstream would make such a huge difference in write speeds possible ( in terms of frames at lower bandwidth to storage)...but anyway what we are getting is great as it is...the optimization and resource juggling the Devs are doing is fantastic.

On a positive note, I am seeing 1.5+ stops of DR head room in my tests. You really can ETTR (I just do it manually via my meter and EVF waveform/zebra). I can recover blown out image elements and hold subject detail in high contrast really well...it is no Alexa, but it blows away 8bit 4:2:0 H.264! Of course the added sharpness is great too, and we get radical color depth, so it rocks all round as a concept. The post stream is going to keep getting better too...and it is nice now (great free tools). I really am a fan!

I will test some of the options suggested, and try some alternate cards...I can live with some 'pink', I just have to get it way lower than 10% of my frames. Is there a range of serial numbers to identify the versions of 60D? I would be happy to check that too.

Glad to get some positive actions to try! That is all I can needed, just was not sure what was working for others. Also  - does anyone find frame skipping helps? I will go back to the older version and report buffers and to the new...I liked the buffer chnanges in the latest builds, as I got a lot more frames, but whatever works is fine with me...if I can get 240 - 340 frames or close to it I expect it will do for a lot of shots! Also, yeah 1600 or even 1440 or so is pretty darn good at 2.39:1 for me, I am not trying to be greedy...much as I would love a 5DM3's rates! I know I could insert money and fix it, I just like Super35 fine, and want to get the most I can from my 60D (and that leaves more money for glass anyway) :)!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 23, 2013, 05:45:47 PM
@cthornhill: That is quite unusual, i am also using a Sandisk Extreme 45MB/s card, in fact two of the 32gb flavor and i get pretty decent recording times. As Hailburton said, the ExtremePro shouldn't show any differences, however perhaps there is a problem with your current card.

Benllben - could not resist a short 'rant' - I am SO GLAD to hear this! One of my biggest gripes about all raw (not just ML - Red and BM, etc.) is the storage pain...space and costs are REAL issues for commercial shooters I speak with. I know there is nothing much the ML team can do right now (they have no support from Canon to find compression options, so they are working with their hands tied), but uncompressed raw is not such a great thing for those of us from image processing...I mean it is an easy fix (gives you great access to sensor data at native bit depth/res), but if you ever worked with sensor development or the processing pipeline, you must know that everything the sensor sends out is not so great on CMOS (the sensor data typically needs lots of post processing in most cases to provide optimal response curves - I think the ML raw data is post some amplifier options and maybe cleaner, but have not gotten deep into it...believe it is before profiles in the pipeline, but think it is after amps/linierizers), and in any image like that there is a HUGE amount of data that can be dropped with no large impact to image fidelity. I worked on lots of broadcast and medical devices over the years (motion and still) and it makes a HUGE difference to performance if you can just get even a little compression from the bitstream...Now I know that dealing with a Bayer sensor makes all this a huge pain compared to the mostly clean streams I typically got back in the day, but I know this can be done to (did it just a little)...but I guess this is not going to be an option here, as the ML team just don't have either the processor  power or access to it if Canon has it hidden away in the chips.

Anyway, even without compression, there is at least the option to look at storage costs...the guys on the 5DM3 are sort of at the whim of the market...the good news is they have a fast storage path, the bad news it costs a bundle to buy certified devices at that speed right now, so everyone is going for the 'seconds' market (which is cool if it works for you)...in our case, the bad news is we have a slow path to storage on the 60D, but I keep hoping that the silver lining there is lower costs.

I hope that the 45MBs cards are really all we need...if so (if they keep write speeds that exceed the chip limit of just about 20MBs) we have a vast cost effective storage option...if there is really no need (from a shooting perspective) to use 95MBs cards...sure transfer is an issue that is helped on the faster cards...but the cost difference is HUGE...they are basically giving away the 45MBs cards right now at my local outlets (less than $20 US for a 16GB card)...and I hope that means all prices drop for all cards (when they flush the pipeline and have new options to sell us).

Anyway I am really hoping that the results I get are about the same on my 45MBs and 95MBs cards (on record frames per shot)...if so, at least that is a HUGE win on storage costs. I guess I will see what I get when I try some more config and storage tests.

Notes: yes, Red does offer (and everyone I know shooting them uses) compressed raw...I can't say it is cheap on their media (considering you will need at least two copies for safety since it is likely a movie you are shooting and can't afford any losses of critical takes), but compression helps. Why BM has not done this yet I don't know, but they keep threatening to give people a compression option...hope they do. Raw when you get to 10bit is a funny thing... I know folks who shoot log on 10bit, but I have not seen anyone excited about raw on top of the line systems as it gums up the post chain a lot...I suspect there is a lot of flux in this end, as storage costs is not so critical in the budget but time costs is...it may change a lot but not my direct issues... :).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 23, 2013, 11:34:13 PM
Per the suggestions I got, I tried a new set of tests. I decided to stick with my current build (ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-22_15-30) since it was essentially about as close to BioskopInc's build...mine should have the last commits from A1ex and Giovanni C, since I don't see any updates to Rocket's builds since this point in the commit log. This effectivly should be a current build. My Raw2dng is from this build too (automated with BATCHelor 2.0. My card was a freshly formatted (in camera) 16GB SanDisk Extreme 45MBs card (pretty new).

I tried setting FPS override on and off - it looks like I got more frames (a couple more) with it on and set to 23.976 and a few shots with it set to flat 24. ISO was 100, Cannon Audio off, Cannon picture quality to S2, Canon video to 1080, Gobal Draw Off, aspect ratio 2.39:1 1600 pixel width. I shot a couple sessions first to let the camera 'warm up'. BTW - the new memory use and bandwidth reports are really much nicer than the old stars. I notice that it takes a good while to clean up all the buffers after a shot is ended, but I just waited and then shot again. The camera reported a data rate of 20.1 MBs or so, count gets to 244MB before stopping, never more than 2ms idle, and yes it says it skiped 1 frame every darn shot. I got about 202 - 280 frames per attempt, so pretty good for this resolution.

Alas, no good news to report. :(,  27 frames in whole or in part ruined by pink blocks out of 284 is about average...in fairly random burst of one or two (lots of two at a time pink lego blocks). I get these spread across a shot like ugly seasoning... :P So about 10% of the footage is corrupted in some way, and it is spread randomly and in about every shot. I am not trying to be a downer, but to me that is really bad news.

I look through about 16GB of clips of this length, and none are defect free, they all have about the same random pattern of 20-28 pink block runined frames and one frame skip (1 skip frame reported, not too bad unless there are people or animals or other clear and continuous motion in the frame).

The images that are there are wonderful and clear, with great dynamic range, but alas for me, not really something I can use just yet. ML FPS override in the release build does a great job at undercrank/timelapse for me, and maybe raw might do for that, but even there, if the frames are not all good I would just have to stick with the release build or my intervelometer and Canon raw.

I am glad to see so much progress in raw, and it is wonderful if it works for others. I really hope this continues to get better and I will test some other options, but so far, I am just not getting the sort of results other appear to have. I keep hoping it is just me and I can find out what I am messing up, but I have a sad feeling that not all 60D's are going to behave the same way...and that will be a shame so I hope I am wrong. Anyway, at least I have high data rate H.264 to work with for now - all thanks to ML! So I at least have a fall back until I can get some raw joy :).

Maybe I will find out what I need to do, or maybe there really will be a code breakthrough or some other good thing...but I guess I better keep saving up for that next camera until I find some luck.

Again - not giving up, and LOTS of thanks to the community and the Dev team, I will just be patient and try some other options. If I have any joy with raw using other setting or cards I will report it, and will try experiments or report other values if anyone needs them.

Lots of thanks again for all the help and all the great code!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 24, 2013, 04:54:43 AM
@cthornhill - REALLY long posts are hard to read. Just my two cents :D
Anyway, I personally have not had any issues with pink frames or dead pixels and I am totally confused as by how that even happens. I've been using the update #6.1 from the first page (-without LV_AF_RAW) as the last one that got me no problems. I've recently updated to an hourly build "ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_17-40" and will test that out with it's native RAW2DNG and the older one that I've been using and see whether it will give me pink stuff.
I do all my editing on Adobe After Effects CS5, by the way.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 24, 2013, 06:04:21 AM
well, I've just tested out the vids I shot with ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-20_17-40 build and it's RAW2DNG - no pink or distorted frames. No apparent visible hot pixels, though I didn't hunt for them because I shot indoors in low light so they may be hidden by noise...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 24, 2013, 06:58:02 AM
Quatro - that is pretty much my point. My results are not even close to what others have seen. I have used build #6, latest build, what have you...they all have the same issues,later ones are a tiny bit better, but still really bad. I am pretty familiar with ML, and code, so I think there is no simple issue but, it is hard to be sure. Something is just not working the same on my camera, but the standard release builds all run fine with all features on my camera. Raw is the only feature that has not worked as described by others I have found in ML. Wish to goodness I could find out why. It is not subtle either - you can't miss half the screen being hot pink... :). No real good clues so far, but I guess I can keep plugging away at it. I also use Adobe AE, CS, etc...latest versions all...no other issues in any of them, regular video is all fine, and my Mac & Win (I have both Mac & Win7 systems to test on) tools are all working fine otherwise ( no errors reported) it is just raw footage the does not record well for me as far as i can see. Hight bit rate, under or over crank, etc. all work great with a standard ML release. This drives me nuts...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 24, 2013, 01:00:51 PM
Just thought of a test to run. I use an EVF normally but I will do a test without it. Should not matter, but considering the source of the bitstream is related to live view maybe I should check...will do this and see today when I can ( and report).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 24, 2013, 06:13:51 PM
OK - mystery solved! After all my whining and moaning, I realized the one thing I never tested was recording without my EVF...not something I typically would have done outdoors as a normal habit...sigh...

When I did pull off the EVF (Zacuto for what that's worth), the recordings are all totally clean - NO PINK FRAMES! ;D

SUPER GOOD NEWS for me. My camera is not the issue! I did not mess up the install or configuration. It was having the EVF connected. I was getting really bummed, but now no big deal. Sure, in the long run that may be something to consider, but for now - I can play with raw!

Thanks again to everyone for all the help and patience with me! Now I can go shoot something worthwhile (I hope) and not have the 'pink menace' botch it all up. The odd lost frame is fine - I can deal!

Love it when a plan comes together!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 25, 2013, 05:32:32 AM
OK - mystery solved! After all my whining and moaning, I realized the one thing I never tested was recording without my EVF...not something I typically would have done outdoors as a normal habit...sigh...

When I did pull off the EVF (Zacuto for what that's worth), the recordings are all totally clean - NO PINK FRAMES! ;D

SUPER GOOD NEWS for me. My camera is not the issue! I did not mess up the install or configuration. It was having the EVF connected. I was getting really bummed, but now no big deal. Sure, in the long run that may be something to consider, but for now - I can play with raw!

Thanks again to everyone for all the help and patience with me! Now I can go shoot something worthwhile (I hope) and not have the 'pink menace' botch it all up. The odd lost frame is fine - I can deal!

Love it when a plan comes together!

You have got to be kidding me... xDDD
Great news, mate, but you probably should have removed any camera mods as a first step, haha :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cuttooth on June 25, 2013, 06:39:16 PM

Here's what came of my test shots using build 2013-06-20_17-40. Had a lot of pink frames throughout my shots, but I just omitted those frames when doing the TIF export from ACR. Here's my workflow (Mac):

Shot at 1728x736 (2.35:1)
Convert RAW using raw2dng.app 0.10
import dng files into photoshop and adjust settings in ACR > Export out to TIF sequence
Open TIF sequence in Quicktime 7 > Export to ProRes4444

If anyone has a quicker workflow I'm definitely open to new ideas, anything that will help eliminate pink frames would be a huge plus because it gets time consuming hunting them down to keep them out of the shots. I don't use any camera mods either.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: koleary on June 25, 2013, 08:34:33 PM
I've been using raw2dng. Then I open adobe bridge which will give you a preview of all your DNGs (also you'll be able to spot any frames with the pink mess which you can just go and delete the specific DNG file). In bridge, you can edit any frame with Camera Raw which I find nice because most of my first frames in my shots are not ideal for color editing. I then apply my color corrections to the rest of the DNG files. Then I open the DNG sequence right into after effects (make sure your import settings are on the correct frame rate - otherwise play back will be off). It'll bring up Camera Raw again, but I just click done since I've already edited the DNGs.

With this work flow (similar to raw time lapse), I can now go back to bridge and re-edit any DNG files with Camera Raw and go back to AE and click on the imported sequence and click reload footage. It should update any changes you made to the DNGs in Camera Raw.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 25, 2013, 09:01:49 PM
Anyone know how to get rid of the awful Moire and Aliasing? Very unpleasant in my RAW footage.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Rollmodl on June 25, 2013, 09:15:06 PM
Anyone know how to get rid of the awful Moire and Aliasing? Very unpleasant in my RAW footage.

http://store.mosaicengineering.com/VAF-60D-Moire-Aliasing-Filter_p_13.html
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 25, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
http://store.mosaicengineering.com/VAF-60D-Moire-Aliasing-Filter_p_13.html

Thanks. Was just looking at that. A little pricey! :-\
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 25, 2013, 11:09:27 PM
I also found the Mosaic filter a bit expensive, but it works a treat! It wiped out horrible moiré issues with brick structures I had. Check out the demos they have for fabric issues too. I have it in place full time (I pretty much use my 60D for video only), but it is not too hard to remove it or re-insert it as needed. Given the limited market, and high quality requirements, I don't think they can sell it for a lot less...they also have superb support and are very nice on the phone and in email. I found it well worth the money.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on June 26, 2013, 01:22:54 AM
I also found the Mosaic filter a bit expensive, but it works a treat! It wiped out horrible moiré issues with brick structures I had. Check out the demos they have for fabric issues too. I have it in place full time (I pretty much use my 60D for video only), but it is not too hard to remove it or re-insert it as needed. Given the limited market, and high quality requirements, I don't think they can sell it for a lot less...they also have superb support and are very nice on the phone and in email. I found it well worth the money.

Does it soften up the stills? I got the latest build on my card what is the best resolution to shoot at for around 15 secs of video. I shot some lower Res ones last night were pretty noisy in upscaling. I need to get some day shots later in the week my schedule super hectic.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jayhas on June 26, 2013, 01:34:47 AM
I've been using raw2dng. Then I open adobe bridge which will give you a preview of all your DNGs (also you'll be able to spot any frames with the pink mess which you can just go and delete the specific DNG file). In bridge, you can edit any frame with Camera Raw which I find nice because most of my first frames in my shots are not ideal for color editing. I then apply my color corrections to the rest of the DNG files. Then I open the DNG sequence right into after effects (make sure your import settings are on the correct frame rate - otherwise play back will be off). It'll bring up Camera Raw again, but I just click done since I've already edited the DNGs.

With this work flow (similar to raw time lapse), I can now go back to bridge and re-edit any DNG files with Camera Raw and go back to AE and click on the imported sequence and click reload footage. It should update any changes you made to the DNGs in Camera Raw.

I have a similar workflow. Also I would save as preset in ACR to make it faster to apply the settings to clips shot in similar environment, or at least a good starting point for other clips.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on June 26, 2013, 01:38:25 AM
Does it soften up the stills? I got the latest build on my card what is the best resolution to shoot at for around 15 secs of video. I shot some lower Res ones last night were pretty noisy in upscaling. I need to get some day shots later in the week my schedule super hectic.

There are a few different combinations that will get you what you want, here are a couple I have noted:

1728x526@24 in ML (2.35:1), 1280x720@30 in Canon settings will give you around 400 frames,

1280x720@24 in ML (16:9), 1920x1080@24 in Canon settings gets you much the same...hope that helps.


I haven't seen too many other videos that were shot in something other than daylight; not that they aren't beautiful, but has anyone seen anything studio lit and shot?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 26, 2013, 04:00:59 AM
Abstrak - You can't leave the Mosaic filter in place for taking stills - it will radically lower the resolution for stills. Also note the mirror remains up when the filter is in place ( physical design). It is not hard to add or remove it,and they provide tools, a case, and a cloth ( for handling ease).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 26, 2013, 06:02:23 AM
http://store.mosaicengineering.com/VAF-60D-Moire-Aliasing-Filter_p_13.html
I wouldn't say this will reduce moire and aliasing in RAW footage. Think about it...
It is optimized for 1080p video (certain pixels in the sensor), while RAW is somewhat a full sensor output downscaled (and the filter has to be removed for hi-res photography or other full-sensor uses because of loss in optical resolution). Just my thoughts, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But it's definitely a very good piece of tech to know about, will keep the shop link for the future :)
The RAW sharpness is amazing as is, compared to the H.264 1080p, but isn't the moire/aliasing in RAW caused by a shitty downsampling algorightm which was only supposed to quickly downsample the image in real-time for live-view purposes? If so, then re-making the algorithm is the only option I can think of right off the bat...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 26, 2013, 06:05:49 AM
It is optimized for 1080p video (certain pixels in the sensor), while RAW is somewhat a full sensor output downscaled.

This makes absolutely no sense at all.

1080p is 1080p.  It all comes from the same sensor output.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 26, 2013, 06:06:54 AM
This makes absolutely no sense at all.

1080p is 1080p.  It all comes from the same sensor output.
please read my updated post above
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 26, 2013, 06:12:06 AM
canon does all of the pixel binning / line skipping and outputs an image to a buffer, updated at the framerate of live view (24fps, for example). all we do is save the image at the buffer 24 times a second to the card to make the video. the image is 14-bit raw data.

Even if ML could access the data before Canon did the pixel binning, the CPU is only fast enough to do so many things.  ie:  Don't expect some super duper resizing algorithm.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 26, 2013, 06:18:49 AM
quote from the Mosaic Design page about the filter:
"When using a VAF filter, the live video image on the camera's small, built-in LCD screen may appear to be the same as without the filter, and may show moiré and other aliasing artifacts.  These artifacts (with or without the VAF filter) are caused by the camera's internal downsampling algorithms that generate the viewfinder display, and as such are unrelated to aliasing artifacts (if any) in the full-resolution HD video being simultaneously recorded."
AND
"VAF-series filters are specifically designed for HD video - and should be removed to shoot high-quality still photography at your DSLR's full, native sensor resolution"

These two things make me feel that this filter may not do much for RAW as we're actually using that same downsampled stream (crappy internal downsampling algorightm) from a FULL sensor pixel array (filter must be removed as it reduces optical resolution). But at this point I can only speculate as to whether or not this is true as I don't actually own it...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 26, 2013, 06:31:29 AM
The actual LCD resolution is lower.

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Full sensor resolution --->  Pixel binning/line skipping (to 1080p) ---> Raw record dumps image buffer to card (Raw video)
    ---> Canon pumps the data through the H.264 pipeline (Regular video)
    ---> Image further resized for LCD

All the data, whether it ends up as Raw, H.264, or displayed on the rear LCD, comes from the same pixel binned/lineskipped buffer.  AFAIK anyway.  There might be some slight difference I am unaware of, but for the sake of this conversation the VAF filter will help Raw video just as much as H.264.

I would actually hazard to guess that the VAF filter will help Raw video more then H.264, as H.264 goes through further processing in camera that reduces sharpness.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 26, 2013, 06:59:45 AM
I don't know, I am still on the opposite end of this camp. Since the filter reduces the optical resolution to acomodate for this downsampling, why would it help the slightly downsampled image sensor stream which is in a different resolution that 1080p?
1080p is also recorded simultaniously to the live-view (AFAIK), we're not getting the same thing. If we were, the RAW output would too be limited to the 1080p or 720p depending on the shooting mode chosen.
That being said, the RAW video is much sharper than the 1080p, even at much lower resolutions. It is still being resized, but we're capturing this raw sensor data prior to the actual 1080p downscale. And since in this case we're using the full sensor here, the optical reduction would mean reduction in sharpness back to 1080p quality as the filter is acomodated for that specific resolution (again, NOT for stills because of REDUCTION IN OPTICAL RESOLUTION as mentioned in the page).
So... I think it is easy to pin-point why I believe in the uselessness of the filter for RAW imaging purposes.
HOWEVER, if someone actually owns the filter and would like to test it out and prove me wrong - I'd be happy to see the results. Until that moment I stand in this side of the YES/NO camp.
In any case, I will probably buy this filter for H.264 use as RAW is not practical a lot of the time (in terms of workflow, reliability and storage), but not now as I've shelled out my cash on a new piece of L glass and I'm moving houses this week :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 26, 2013, 07:09:30 AM
The effectiveness of the filter is easy to test,but I have not had a chance to run those test on raw footage.I did a series of test of H.264 a few weeks ago and got awesome results (complete fix for moire). What I would need to do is use my wider lens to get a similar field of view in the raw shots and do tests without the filter and with it. My favorite test has always been Plant Hall at the University of Tampa as the fancy brick work is pretty much a perfect storm for most DSLR's that have moire issues. Alternately a fabric sample indoors will do as that is also pretty useless on the 60D without the filter,I just don't do much product work any more so I have not set up a sample. I will try and run a test I can post, but given my work schedule right now and the weather, it. May be a week or two before I can post one unless I an find a good indoor example. Fine patterned nylon may do it...have to try...a blue Oxford cloth also can be a good test...those are a nightmare in a lot of shots even for the Canon as a stills camera...and they can fudge up a lot. Of broadcast gear too...let me give it a whirl and see if I can get a good test.

My informal obsvation is that I have not seen moire since I installed the filter (except for test when I took it out). I have not done a lot of raw shoots at locations besides natural scenes close to home yet since I was waiting until I got the data corruption fixed ( no point before that). Not much moire in the woods or gardens in summer. Now that I have it fixed, I can go for something more, and will try to answer the question.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 26, 2013, 07:12:01 AM
awesome, keep us posted :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 26, 2013, 07:53:58 AM
I don't know, I am still on the opposite end of this camp. Since the filter reduces the optical resolution to acomodate for this downsampling, why would it help the slightly downsampled image sensor stream which is in a different resolution that 1080p?

Slightly? 18MP > 2MP!

Everything (Raw (photo/video), Canon H.264, LCD image) comes from the original sensor output.
Canon then pixel bins/line skips that resolution down to the image buffer size.  This is where the VAF filter is useful.  It helps reduce moire/aliasing in the 18MP > 2MP process!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 26, 2013, 08:21:39 AM
How easy are these VAFs to take in and out? I'm planning on upgrading my 60D to a 6D in the next couple of weeks and the only Dow side I see to the 6D is the aliasing. I'm not upgrading for RAW but that is always a plus. The moire issues I've been having on the 60D are fine though as I'm used to them in the video I shoot on a dslr. Anything corporate or high end gets shot on a true video camera.  But if the VAF is a simple fix that then makes my "future" 6D a RAW beast it might be worth the $400.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: twillfast on June 26, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
This is where the VAF filter is useful.  It helps reduce moire/aliasing in the 18MP > 2MP process!

I think QUATRO's point is that it doesn't downscale to 1920x1080, but some esoteric resolution like 1728x526.
However, I'd imagine the filter is supposed to work whether you're shooting 1080, 720, or 526.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on June 26, 2013, 09:26:22 AM
If you crop an image in Photoshop, does that operation change moire or aliasing or sharpness or whatever?

Same here.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: theollybanks on June 26, 2013, 03:15:21 PM
I've been testing Adobe's CinemaDNG Importer for Premier Pro, (Which I explain how to acquire in this post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6769.0)

Although I go over in detail some of the advantages and disadvantages of the plugin in the post, my personal view is that for projects that are last minute and need to be done at speed it is excellent coupled with RAWMagic, I experienced no pixels and only a few magenta frames using an hourly build from yesterday (unsure of which) and despite being only 8-Bit (see the post for more on this) I was able to get some really nice grades using Neumann Film's Blockbuster Looks package!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on June 26, 2013, 04:27:46 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.0)

VAF used on a 6D with raw.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on June 26, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
I've been testing Adobe's CinemaDNG Importer for Premier Pro, (Which I explain how to acquire in this post: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6769.0)

Although I go over in detail some of the advantages and disadvantages of the plugin in the post, my personal view is that for projects that are last minute and need to be done at speed it is excellent coupled with RAWMagic, I experienced no pixels and only a few magenta frames using an hourly build from yesterday (unsure of which) and despite being only 8-Bit (see the post for more on this) I was able to get some really nice grades using Neumann Film's Blockbuster Looks package!


Those grades are pretty nice to be presets thanks for sharing I havent followed Neumann Films in so months. They are only a couple bucks to thats not to shabby. I plan to do some test this weekend I'll pick these up.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: theollybanks on June 26, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
For the price its phenomenal, you do have to do some considerable adjustments to make them work with the 14-Bit RAW as its perceived dynamic range and the Log to Linear Cineon converter do not play well together, and you often get unusual diamond shaped checkered patterns, easily solved by adjusting the white and black levels in the preset's cineon convertor
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 26, 2013, 11:39:18 PM
POSTSCRIPT - see revised test data below...my original conclusion was somewhat altered on closer inspection - I got a bit more out of the VAF60D than I first thought, but it was not perfect in raw.


I did a very rough test of the 60D with and without the Mosaic VAF-60D Optical Anti-Aliasing Filter. I tried two raw resolutions for this test, 1600 x 670 at 2.39:1, and 1728 x 972 at 16:9. I also shot the same target scene using H.264 with and without the Mosaic filter. For today's quick test I did not have much time or optimal conditions (did not have my lights, etc.). I used ISO 800, and my Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens at F2.8 and set to 17mm, and room light mixed with daylight. Color balance was set to 5600K. Yes it was a slapped together test! My target was a wool herringbone sport jacket in tan and black. My initial findings were:

1. The jacket showed lots of moire and aliasing without the Mosaic filter using H.264.
2. Using the Mosaic filter and recording in H.264 moire and aliasing were essentially removed - note that at ISO 800 there is some inherent chroma noise, so this is not the best evaluation of fine pattern noise,  but gross artifacts were clearly removed by the filter.
3. At raw 1600 x 670 with no filter, there was VERY pronounced moire and aliasing - much worse than H.264 (which was itself bad).
4. At raw 1728 x 972 with no filter, there was VERY pronounced moire and aliasing - much worse than H.264 (which was itself bad).
5. Using the Mosaic filter at 1600 x 670, there was still moire and aliasing. Subjectively I could not see much difference with or without the filter at this resolution.
6. Using the Mosaic filter at 1728 x 972, there was still some moire and aliasing. Subjectively I think it was a little better, but not good enough to suit me - it would have to be cleaned up to be used in a final output (by some means).

My tentative conclusion is that the Mosaic VAF-60D Optical Anti-Aliasing Filter is so closely optimized for the image size of HD (1920 x 1080) and default H.264 downsampling process on the Canon cameras, that at other resolutions it is not effective, or not as effective. Mosaic has indicated that alternate recording sizes might require unique solutions and I think this is the case.

I will try to post some pictures when I get time (may take a few days) and see what I find in further tests, but for now, I think that the problems of moire and aliasing in raw footage at sizes below full HD are not effectively treated by the filter. I suspect various image processing filters might be able to help reduce the problems, but those may need to be applied as part of the deBayer process to be most effective. This is just early speculation.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on June 27, 2013, 02:29:16 AM
Zeiss Prime Lens Test At B&H Photo. 21mm,35mm and 18mm.

1728x724 @ 24fps

Ungraded footage.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mva on June 27, 2013, 07:02:48 AM
My tentative conclusion is that the Mosaic VAF-60D Optical Anti-Aliasing Filter is so closely optimized for the image size of HD (1920 x 1080) and default H.264 downsampling process on the Canon cameras, that at other resolutions it is not effective, or not as effective. Mosaic has indicated that alternate recording sizes might require unique solutions and I think this is the case.

Thanks for the test. It's interesting that forum member kgv5 has achieved some good results for raw with his VAF filter for his 6D. He has made available DNGS with and without the filter, shot at 1808x756: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.msg55134#msg55134 To my eye, it looks like most of the aliasing and moire has been removed by the filter.

I wonder if the different results you and kgv5 got is related to the fact that the product pages for most of Mosaic Engineering's VAF filters (including the 60D filter) describe the filter as providing a "solution for 1080p moiré and aliasing" (e.g., http://www.mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/60d/main.html) whereas the product page for the VAF-6D just calls it "solution for HD moiré and aliasing," (The product page for the Nikon D800 filter says it's a "solution for 1080p and 720p moiré and aliasing.")

Makes it look like the filters for the various cameras may differ significantly from one another.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: QUATRO on June 27, 2013, 02:07:59 PM
5. Using the Mosaic filter at 1600 x 670, there was still moire and aliasing. Subjectively I could not see much difference with or without the filter at this resolution.
6. Using the Mosaic filter at 1728 x 972, there was still some moire and aliasing. Subjectively I think it was a little better, but not good enough to suit me - it would have to be cleaned up to be used in a final output (by some means).

My tentative conclusion is that the Mosaic VAF-60D Optical Anti-Aliasing Filter is so closely optimized for the image size of HD (1920 x 1080) and default H.264 downsampling process on the Canon cameras, that at other resolutions it is not effective, or not as effective. Mosaic has indicated that alternate recording sizes might require unique solutions and I think this is the case.

Thanks for the heads up!  :)

P.s.: @Audionut - I TOLD YOU SO!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 27, 2013, 03:01:31 PM
POSTSCRIPT - see revised test data below - the results are a bit better than first glance showed, but correction was not total for raw. This may be a source of the apparent variable results - some subjects correct easier than others it appears.

Re: Mosaic, I am not trying to start a war! I am a happy user of the product for my 60D in H.264, but my test so far on raw at lower res have not shown the same level of correction. My test was a nightmare for moire - herringbone fabric... :)It would give trouble on most TV cameras (HD/SD) in my experience, and can give trouble to still cameras as well (again in my experience working on product shots). I think the closer to HD res the better the correction, but I have not had time to be more thorough. 6D results might be different.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 27, 2013, 09:02:29 PM
I did a bit more analysis on my images. I think the filter did more good than I originally thought, but it did not totally correct the issues...this is sort of what I expected. This is just a theory, but the strength of the optical low-pass is tuned for the spatial acuity of the 60D recording in H264. I expect the engineers at Mosaic did not make it any stronger than they needed to, to minimize impact on resolution and overall IQ. Raw is higher res, and may need more 'umph' in a low pass to totally correct aliasing and moire. Anyway this is just a guess on my part. I think it may be less what res you shoot at and more what you get when you shoot - sharper pixels show more artifacts...that is my theory anyway.

I did see quite a bit of correction on my images but not as much as in H264. I put some of them on Dropbox and will post the URL once I test it. Please remember this was a very quick and dirty test in a very short time - it is at ISO 800, and I did nothing to 'make it pretty'. Better exposure (more light) would have allowed a better DOF, and lower noise...but the basic tests is still there.

here is the link (hope this works for all):
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eq8pqvw8pv3di6m/IzK709GYiz

Revised conclusion - I see more benefit than I thought, but some artifacts remain. Check out the lapel as a good example to see the correction. - I expect to keep the VAF-60 in place and do more tests, but it appears to help some, just maybe not fix every situation. Heck, even the H264 in this case is not perfect and is MUCH lower quality in terms of acuity.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 28, 2013, 02:24:24 AM
I did a bit more analysis on my images. I think the filter did more good than I originally thought, but it did not totally correct the issues...this is sort of what I expected. This is just a theory, but the strength of the optical low-pass is tuned for the spatial acuity of the 60D recording in H264.

H.264 goes through a ton of color space changes and resizing.  This kills fine detail.  The same level of aliasing is present in raw video as there is in the initial feed to the H.264 encoder.

H.264 hides the aliasing better because it kills (blurs) fine details.

If they want to "tune" the filter for raw, they would need to blur more detail.

Take this example.
Original raw frame captured by a 6D from this post (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.msg55134#msg55134)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fu%2F34113196%2Fstuff%2FOriginal.jpg&hash=0fe486247f899479c78e30cab66bb93f)

And this frame.  The image above simply downsized and resized back to original resolution.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fu%2F34113196%2Fstuff%2Fresized.jpg&hash=1c656259e535b99e7c4d1faf877d773e)


To minimize aliasing caused by line skipping, you have to blur the detail.  This is what the VAF filter is doing.
With the VAF filter not blurring enough detail for raw captures (respecting that the H.264 encoder is going to further blur detail), I would suggest that the next test is to shot a scene that is very slightly out of focus.  You only need to kill the very fine detail that suffers aliasing.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 28, 2013, 03:07:19 AM
Audionut - yes, I suspect that would be a good test. I spent some time with the engineers at Mosaic via phone discussing what I am seeing and the issues. I myself have done quite a bit of image processing (software for medical and broadcast products in my case,not optical, but of course digital processes mimic optical processes in many cases). One thing they said struck me as very true and important - interpretation of visual results are very subjective...charts, etc. often don't tell you as much as using the camera in real settings...:-)

One thing is very clear - raw provides a huge amount of extra detail over the H264 signal. That is going to come with drawbacks too, since it will show this sort of artifacts as well...every imaging system I know of has to tune these issues out (really they detune the system). What surprises me is how bad moire and aliasing on the 60D in H264...it really is quite bad in many situations - even though the signal (which we now can see is quite sharp in raw) has been hugely degraded in terms of resolution by the compression process.

To me, this is not so much a 'problem with raw', - the 60D has the issues of moire and aliasing and they are uncorrected in the camera as it comes from Canon. While I like Canon, I have to say that I would prefer to buy a camera that came with these video issues corrected out of the box. This is not just an issue for Canon - Sony and other vendors like Black Magic now sell products with real moire and aliasing problems in many scenes...and most of them sell products where these sorts of image artifact issue are better corrected, mostly at higher price points...I do sort of personally find that a bit of an issue, but hey, I can 'vote with my wallet' if it gets to me too much...:-)

The Mosaic filter does address the moire and aliasing issues on the 60D and other cameras with an aftermarket solution. That solution was developed and tested on systems that only offered H264 to test against. The current solution will perform as it was designed, and may or may not be as effective as we hope using raw, but it is just what we have access to now.Now that raw is available, it may be that a solution might be made that has also been tested  and optimized against raw data streams - if that is something Mosaic decides makes business sense.

I want to try and get some shots that will show different situations, and have much better exposure. I would also like to control the scene a bit more, and use some different lenses. I was running my Canon 17-55 wide open, and that is not the best situation (nor is the high ISO). Also, like I indicated, the fabric test I did is a 'worst case' I could easily stage - that fabric would be an issue for most broadcast situations, and it is quite troublesome even on medium format sensors in stills. I would like to try as scene more like what you showed with brick walls and power lines, etc...might be a more typical test.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 28, 2013, 03:27:49 AM
One thing they said struck me as very true and important - interpretation of visual results are very subjective...charts, etc. often don't tell you as much as using the camera in real settings...:-)

Indeed.  It's easy to make a filter that hides all the artifacts from a test chart ;)
It's a fine balancing act between hiding artifacts and keeping detail. 

I'd be really interested to see how many artifacts can be minimized with focus, and then how many details can be brought back in post process.  It's generally only the very fine details that suffer from aliasing, so it should only take a very fine adjustment from perfect focus to hide the artifacts in most footage.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 28, 2013, 05:05:22 AM
Audionut - yeah, the main reason I decided to get the Mosaic for my use was that I often find that on a wide shot I have subjects in the background (typically architecture) that have 'troubles' - especially the dreaded brick buildings...Even at F2.8 (about as low as my wides go) a lot of the background is sharp enough to give trouble in an establishing shot. It just gets worse if I am trying to fly the camera on stabilizer since I don't have a wireless follow focus and have to depend on hyperfocal technique.

Anyway, I will see what happens, and maybe get some shots that are actually worth posting.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mva on June 28, 2013, 01:16:55 PM
I want to try and get some shots that will show different situations, and have much better exposure. I would also like to control the scene a bit more, and use some different lenses. I was running my Canon 17-55 wide open, and that is not the best situation (nor is the high ISO). Also, like I indicated, the fabric test I did is a 'worst case' I could easily stage - that fabric would be an issue for most broadcast situations, and it is quite troublesome even on medium format sensors in stills. I would like to try as scene more like what you showed with brick walls and power lines, etc...might be a more typical test.

If you can find the time (and I know how hard that is to do sometimes!), I would certainly appreciate tests of some more typical situations (bricks, fences, roof shingles, etc.). :)  Before shelling out over $300 for a filter I'd want to use primarily for raw on my 60D, I really need to see something of what it can do. (I sent an email to Mosaic Engineering a few days ago asking if they could offer any information on the performance I might expect from the VAF-60D with ML raw, but they haven't replied.) I'm sure lots of other 60D users would be very interested too. I'm not after perfection or success with especially hard cases, just a significant reduction in aliasing and moire in typical cases, as can be clearly seen e.g. in clips made from kgv5's "FILTER ON" and "FILTER OFF" DNGs from his 6D (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6577.msg55134#msg55134). It would be nice to know if the VAF-60D can produce results with raw that are close to that in similar situations.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 28, 2013, 07:20:57 PM
It may be a few days or more before I can get a good set of clips,  but I will try and do that...I want to try to get downtown where there are more 'typical' scenes that might create situations like that (building materials and details as well as power lines, etc.)...my schedule and the weather are not too cooperative right now, but I hope to have time over the holiday (in the US anyway) weekend next week. If I can post before then I will.

I can also say that if you can call Mosaic (EST time zone in the US) they may be able to provide more data...I have found them very supportive...They told me they are a little taxed keeping up with all the changes on ML raw (small firm of specialist, lots of work to do to make a living). I think they are pretty responsive, but all this ML raw has happened really fast.

Sorry I haven't more time to do proper tests yet...it is a LOT more fun than some of the meetings I am in these days...I miss making TV for a living some days more than others...:-).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mva on June 28, 2013, 08:13:30 PM
Sounds great. Will look forward to anything you end up posting on the topic, whenever. I thought about calling Mosaic. I may do that. Cheers!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 28, 2013, 08:47:50 PM
Post to no specific other comment...I just read the article on EOSHD about Skin (and watched the film)...I was telling the guys at Mosaic that using raw on the 60D feel like shooting film...I could not help but notice the comment from the director of Skin (Andrew Wonder) that using the 5DM3 raw reminded him of using his Bolex. I could not agree more - it feels VERY much like shooting on 16mm to me...I don't find it quite as consistent yet but I am sure it will stabilize as the code gets more mature. Overall, the short takes and heavy post process orientation just remind me a lot of small 16mm days...not as refined as an Eclair or Arri for sure (yet)....more like a spring wound Bolex...but those were fun...and made some cool films. The look is capable of much more refinement of course, but I really do 'feel it'...maybe no one else does, but I suspect some other old school (well old anyway) folks may know what I mean...:-)
Title: to 6D, or not 6D, that is the question
Post by: Haliburton on June 28, 2013, 09:41:02 PM
How easy are these VAFs to take in and out? I'm planning on upgrading my 60D to a 6D in the next couple of weeks and the only Dow side I see to the 6D is the aliasing. I'm not upgrading for RAW but that is always a plus. The moire issues I've been having on the 60D are fine though as I'm used to them in the video I shoot on a dslr. Anything corporate or high end gets shot on a true video camera.  But if the VAF is a simple fix that then makes my "future" 6D a RAW beast it might be worth the $400.

DerekDock, the VAF filter looks quite simple to re-and-re in Cinema5D’s review

The big downsides to me of the 6D are yes, the terrible aliasing, but also the card-speed bottleneck which pretty well eliminates any full-frame goodness while shooting raw:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215

$400 to fix the aliasing with a VAF, and require post-sharpening to try to regain some of the lost sharpness, is a big chunk of the price difference between the 6D and the 5D MkIII - and still, we’re stuck with slow, SD write speeds.

As attractive as the pricing on the 6D may be, it seems to me that no amount of technical jury-rigging will bring it close to the native full-frame clean-ness of the 5D MkIII.

Though I doubt that I’ll buy another crop-sensor Canon, I look forward to seeing if Canon answers their widely-criticized aliasing, with the new sensor on the 70D, slated for introduction Tuesday July 2:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/06/canon-eos-70d-spec-list/

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: DerekDock on June 28, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
I see your points but I'm finding that I don't need the record times afforded by the Cf card cams. With the 6D I can record 1080 2.35 for almost 20 seconds (in theory as I don't have it yet). Which is perfect for me as the data and cost of media gets out of control on the 5D mk3.

For $900 less than the 5D I can have the 6D with mosaic filter and have the same image quality, a nice form factor, and more manageable data. That works for me and gives me $ to spend on glass and creative cloud. I also have unlimited access to two Mark3s owned by my brother and a friend, so if I find I need one its a phone call and an hours drive away.

I have a 60D as well and have been shooting a good amount of RAW on it even with a SD bottleneck that is much worse than on the 6D. I'm sure ill be stoked.

Really now my only concern is getting the 6D to play nice with RAWmagic so my workflow can be smoother. But the VAF purchase is likely coming sooner than later.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 1% on June 28, 2013, 09:57:35 PM
Heh, 6D is 5d3 JR, FW is pretty much the same. But a pretty good camera, esp when people start selling them to get 5D3, etc.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 28, 2013, 10:28:10 PM
My $.02 worth on the ease of use of the VAF is..it depends. The packaging and tools from Mosaic are nice and help a lot. In principle it is not hard. In practice, you have to have the camera supported, and you are handling a small piece of expensive glass around your open camera body. You lens is off, so it has to be put someplace too, and protected. All not a big deal if you are careful and have time and a place to put things...now try it outdoors...and at in the wind, and in the light rain, etc...you see what I mean. Just as you would not want to change lenses on a windy day at the beach, etc. there are times moving the VAF in and out is not fun. No one's fault, but you need to consider it...the filter costs $400 or close to it...so you need to be careful, and your $1,000 camera is pretty vulnerable with no lens and the mirror up...but the actual insert and removal is quick, so that is at least good.

I just don't take stills with my 60D so it is not an issue for me, but if I did, I would plan ahead a bit, and keep an extra cloth to put things on, and maybe an extra pouch. A bench or table might be your friend in this situation, or at least your camera bag.

Don't be afraid of it, but do realize it is not the most convenient thing in the world...if a 5DM3 is not in the cards, this is not too much trouble to go to, you just need to take care and plan ahead (find a place to 'change the baby' before you need to).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on June 29, 2013, 05:17:06 AM
Oh I hear you, DerekDock - definitely working within the 60D’s limitations, myself! :)

Agreed too, that the cost of high-speed media for CF card cameras is a flustercluck.

At least with your 6D, you will have Canon’s fastest implementation of SD card interface, perhaps twice as fast as 60D.

With 12 Class 10 and 3 UHS-1 (all 32 GB) cards for my 60D and 600D (T3i) cameras, I am sick and tired of buying flash memory!

1000x + CF cards cost so much, and some seem so flaky when pushed to their maximum speeds, that what I hold out most hope for is the CF to SSD interface being worked on at
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5470.0

Then I can skip all the Toshiba/SanDisk/Komputerbay/Toshiba BS and start buying common, reliable, reasonably-priced, HUGE SSDs.

As someone who often needs to record long takes, the amount of money I save by not buying crazy-priced fast CF cards will pay for the difference in cost to buy a 5D MkIII, soon enough :)

@ 1% : “Heh, 6D is 5d3 JR”   <— heh heh :)


I see your points but I'm finding that I don't need the record times afforded by the Cf card cams. With the 6D I can record 1080 2.35 for almost 20 seconds (in theory as I don't have it yet). Which is perfect for me as the data and cost of media gets out of control on the 5D mk3.

For $900 less than the 5D I can have the 6D with mosaic filter and have the same image quality, a nice form factor, and more manageable data. That works for me and gives me $ to spend on glass and creative cloud. I also have unlimited access to two Mark3s owned by my brother and a friend, so if I find I need one its a phone call and an hours drive away.

I have a 60D as well and have been shooting a good amount of RAW on it even with a SD bottleneck that is much worse than on the 6D. I'm sure ill be stoked.

Really now my only concern is getting the 6D to play nice with RAWmagic so my workflow can be smoother. But the VAF purchase is likely coming sooner than later.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CharlieA56 on June 29, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Finally.. my first (above 10 seconds) production with the RAW capabilities in the Canon 60D.
Using a Tamron 18-250mm at f/8.0 and 48fps shutter speed. ISO 100-1000.



Recorded at 1600x928 24fps... DNG files imported into ACR... White Balance, Saturation, Sharpening, Exposure and some Noise Reduction directly in ACR before AE... Upscaling to 1920x1080 (it was really 1920x1113) using Magic Bullet InstantHD.
No calibration target when recording, so the White Balance is so inconsistent.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 30, 2013, 01:51:30 AM
I ran a little test outside today with my Tokina 11-16 and the Mosaic VAF-60D...nothing very fancy, but it shows a quick shot of downtown, and demonstrates the improvements you may see on fine detail in raw with the VAF-60. I put the shots on my dropbox folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eq8pqvw8pv3di6m/IzK709GYiz

The two shots are not totaly identical (had to dodge some weather and hence moved about a bit,  nor are they fancy. I just grabbed some quick shots in between storms. Both are done at 11mm, 2.39:1, 1600 x 670, ISO 100, and were exposed 'hot' at around F11 (in ACR I pulled them about 1.3 stops). The sun was coming and going really fast changing the conditions by over a stop, so I just depended on raw 'eating the light' and really did not worry after I took a general meter reading of foot-candle levels before I got to to the scene.  I wanted to use deep focus, and a wide, as a challenge to the filter's performance. I rendered the clips as lossless AVI, and pulled these stills from the Premier screen.

You may or may not agree but I see much more fine pattern noise in the details of the image without the VAF-60. There is still a tiny bit in the image with the filter, but only in a few diagonal fine features (railings). Overall I am reasonably convinced that the VAF-60D does help reduce image artifacts in raw, but not as well as it controls them in H264. I personally believe this is due to the raw file having more acuity and hence more artifacts are visible that would be lost to the processing done to the H264 image. I would suggest that for most subjects that could have issues with moire or aliasing due to fine line or pattern detail,it is useful to put the filter in place if you own it. I expect to just leave it in place, as I don't do still work on that camera.

Of course others may not agree, and your mileage may vary...:-). Of course controlling depth of field with wider stops (and ND) or longer lenses is also going to help, this was intended as a test with no other mitigating steps.

At this point, I am pretty satisfied that the filter does help, does not perform quite as well in raw as in H264 for what I expect are several reasons, and I really am not sure there is a lot more to say about it...I expect it is not a purchase everyone will want or feel the need to consider, but for those of us that are motivated to address the issue of aliasing and moire, are looking for an optical solution (not just technique or software), and have the funds, I think (just my opinion) the VAF-60 is a nice option.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 30, 2013, 03:12:30 AM
Thanks for the test.

I think (just my opinion) the VAF-60 is a nice option.

The bridge railing and the white railing would be enough for me to purchase one if I used that body.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 30, 2013, 06:11:09 AM
Audionut - yeah that would have sold me too. I did lots more shots I have not rendered yet of some other closer buildings (there was a crane in the background and some power lines), and I will try and get to them tomorrow or Monday. I will post if if things look interesting.

I also have to say raw handled the exposure range and changes really well...you can just hit this format with a LOT of light and still stay safe. Very nice since at this point histogram or waveform or even spot meter are all off (with global draw).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on June 30, 2013, 07:34:45 AM
Very nice since at this point histogram or waveform or even spot meter are all off (with global draw).

Are you using the raw based (histogram/spotmeter/zebras) ones?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: cthornhill on June 30, 2013, 09:27:03 AM
Well, they are (unless I missed something) shut off when global draw is off, but yes I mean the ones for raw. With the fast moving clouds it would not have made much difference yesterday, as I would have had to ride the apature to a silly level.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on June 30, 2013, 12:25:29 PM
Hi There,

I'm new here and I wonder if it's possible to use the USB Data stream too, to improve the recording Time? I just started Checking the RAW-videostuff with my 60D. I Like the RAW-Video Croping /3x-"Digital-Zoom" while Raw-Recording and another question is, is it posible to make an 3x Croping Mode for HD videos with the H.264?

Thanks and tell me if it's the wrong Topic 4 the post.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 01, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
I've just corrected white balance settings in chdk-dng.c so after commit initial image should look better..

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/pull-request/135/chdk-dngc-fixed-as-shot-neutral-white/diff
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on July 02, 2013, 03:00:37 AM
Hey guys here's my first video I shot using the raw format:


It was shot in 960x544 and then I output to 1280x720 (psd) from Lightroom and edit in Premiere Pro.

I have a few questions: Are there any simple solution to reducing/eliminating moire and aliasing? I know there's the VAF-60D, but it's way too expensive for me. Can anyone recommend a good efficient workflow? I don't know if my mind can handle going into 50+ folders in Lightroom, white balancing/tweaking them, and playing the waiting game while exporting each into PSD files again.

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nickbibs on July 02, 2013, 05:12:05 PM
Hey guys here's my first video I shot using the raw format:


It was shot in 960x544 and then I output to 1280x720 (psd) from Lightroom and edit in Premiere Pro.

I have a few questions: Are there any simple solution to reducing/eliminating moire and aliasing? I know there's the VAF-60D, but it's way too expensive for me. Can anyone recommend a good efficient workflow? I don't know if my mind can handle going into 50+ folders in Lightroom, white balancing/tweaking them, and playing the waiting game while exporting each into PSD files again.

Thanks

That was really nicely done video!! Awesome!!! I am too looking for a solution for the moire and aliasing.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: KahL on July 02, 2013, 06:39:17 PM
Hey guys here's my first video I shot using the raw format:


It was shot in 960x544 and then I output to 1280x720 (psd) from Lightroom and edit in Premiere Pro.

I have a few questions: Are there any simple solution to reducing/eliminating moire and aliasing? I know there's the VAF-60D, but it's way too expensive for me. Can anyone recommend a good efficient workflow? I don't know if my mind can handle going into 50+ folders in Lightroom, white balancing/tweaking them, and playing the waiting game while exporting each into PSD files again.

Thanks

If you have a CUDA based card, then Davinci Resolve Lite is your best friend. Saves a TON of time processing the raw frames.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 02, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Hey guys here's my first video I shot using the raw format:


It was shot in 960x544 and then I output to 1280x720 (psd) from Lightroom and edit in Premiere Pro.

I have a few questions: Are there any simple solution to reducing/eliminating moire and aliasing? I know there's the VAF-60D, but it's way too expensive for me. Can anyone recommend a good efficient workflow? I don't know if my mind can handle going into 50+ folders in Lightroom, white balancing/tweaking them, and playing the waiting game while exporting each into PSD files again.

Thanks

I was skeptical about shooting 960x544 but uprezzed to 720 looks better than 1080 h.264 for sure. I'm going to try and shoot something at that resolution during the 4th. How many frames were you getting its probably pretty high.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 02, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
If you have a CUDA based card, then Davinci Resolve Lite is your best friend. Saves a TON of time processing the raw frames.

it's true but dng 14 bit files are not supported in resolve and this is the real bottleneck in workflow. Yes... you can convert dng files in prores but it's another pass in your workflow.
Someone is developing a cinema dng converter but it's not optimized for 60D and bad pixel are still alive.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 02, 2013, 09:35:22 PM
How many frames were you getting its probably pretty high.

I think you can record continuosly with fast card. In that resolution and with sandisk 45 mb/s i shoot to 19/20 mb/s (global draw off) and buffer is never fully loaded.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: allswedish on July 02, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
This is a quick test I just did. I'm running the 9th update from the first page of this post.


Still toying with the settings. Finding I have a lot of latitude on the brights than I ever did with h264, which is a little confusing when shooting (i've shot so much h264 I literally automatically underexpose now) but awesome to know going forward.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on July 02, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
If you have a CUDA based card, then Davinci Resolve Lite is your best friend. Saves a TON of time processing the raw frames.

I really really want to try out Resolve, but I'm running on an Alienware 18x r2 laptop with Radeon cards :/


I was skeptical about shooting 960x544 but uprezzed to 720 looks better than 1080 h.264 for sure. I'm going to try and shoot something at that resolution during the 4th. How many frames were you getting its probably pretty high.

I actually don't know how many frames, but never had any skipped frames in any of my recording at 960x544. I believe it's near continuous at this resolution? On my last shoot (another model) I switched up to 1280x544. The image quality is better compared to 960x544 uprezzed, but it was annoying having to stop at certain points and waiting for the buffer to empty. I missed out on a some good looks from the model because of this.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ric64b on July 03, 2013, 02:15:37 AM
This question may have already been answered but is there a reason why in the latest build there's no option to record a separate audio file?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 03, 2013, 06:38:05 PM
@marekk

Does bad_pixel opticode work only with adobe products? I wonder if that could be added this feature in other converter like rawmagic/eyeframe or it is only for raw2dng.

I try to convert with this software (more time-saving) but black and hot pixel are still visible. I can reinstall version with LV_AF_RAW but losing all new feature. What do you recommend?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 03, 2013, 06:44:50 PM
@marekk

Does bad_pixel opticode work only with adobe products? I wonder if that could be added this feature in other converter like rawmagic/eyeframe or it is only for raw2dng.

I try to convert with this software (more time-saving) but black and hot pixel are still visible. I can reinstall version with LV_AF_RAW but losing all new feature. What do you recommend?

I don't know it other products support this feature. We are waiting for support of badpixel_opcode in rawmagic and raw2cdng to test if Davinci Resolve removes hot pixels automatically. You can open DNG files in RawTherapee. There is a Dead/hot pixel filter which removes all bad pixels with or without badpixel_opcode. We can't open files from raw2dng in Davinci Resolve to test it now because it doesn't support 14bit.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 03, 2013, 07:30:41 PM
I don't know it other products support this feature. We are waiting for support of badpixel_opcode in rawmagic and raw2cdng to test if Davinci Resolve removes hot pixels automatically. You can open DNG files in RawTherapee. There is a Dead/hot pixel filter which removes all bad pixels with or without badpixel_opcode. We can't open files from raw2dng in Davinci Resolve to test it now because it doesn't support 14bit.

ok i'll still waiting. My purpose is try to convert raw in final prores444 or 422 but without after effects or photoshop pass.
Now i convert in dng, convert in tiff and reconvert in prores for grading with resolve. Is this only way?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: allswedish on July 04, 2013, 01:40:02 AM
Just got 1514 frames at 960x540 on the newest hourly that was posted 2 days ago on the drop box. I had global draw off, and just used canons built in meter to adjust exposure.

Really impressive stuff man, keep it up. I went from kinda wanting to shoot raw to not being able to shoot anything but raw. The quality is unreal, even at half of 1080 h264. Color depth is amazing. I plan on doing a more extensive test over tonight and tomorrow under different conditions, which I will post when available.

However, I did brick the camera once with this new update. I was recording raw and accidentally hit record again and the camera froze. Removed the battery and sd card and it started up again, but my modules wouldn't load. I formatted the card and re-uploaded the firmware and it seems to be working fine now.

Lesson learned, alway's have a back-up sd with standard ml.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kermitt on July 04, 2013, 09:56:54 AM
Hi,

I use the last nightly build of this firmware and alway have the problem of pink squares on the video.
Anybody know how to remove them or A version of the firmware that removes them ?
Thanks very much
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on July 04, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
Hi kermitt,

the best way is to shoot at fix 24.000 fps. there for you need to activate the FPS override. in die submenu switch the mode "Optimize for" to "Exact FPS". you better switch off Global draw in the overlay tab. thats the setting i got best results. Maybe there are still Pink squares but not as much as before and most of the time only at beginning or end of the recording.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: allswedish on July 04, 2013, 10:32:26 PM
Here's my second test shot. I have a lot more I plan on cutting into a sequence but it's the 4th of July so I'm not working that much today on principal. I am mainly trying to test how the camera responds under different lighting conditions, motion, etc.

I've been experimenting with a couple settings, and find for my needs the 940 x 560 works really well, especially how you can change image size in processing. I'm averaging just over 1500 frames with global draw off.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 05, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
We can't open files from raw2dng in Davinci Resolve to test it now because it doesn't support 14bit.

I've found the probably fastest way to convert dng  for grading in resolve.
This is my workflow:
1. raw acqusition from camera
2. convert raw in dng sequence with raw2dng (with badpixel_opcode)
3. select all dng files and drag and drop into photoshop
4. camera raw correction for single frame and sync to all
6. set option in 16 bit instead 8 bit with same resolution
7. "select all" button and save images (much faster than rendering in After Effects)

Here i've 2 possibilities (maybe only one): convert dng in digital negative (dng), tiff, or jpeg.
I've tried to save in tiff (not compressed) and resolve open the file sequence correctly but...doesn't read tag and its camera raw is disabled.
If i save in dng, photoshop exports file correctly, but resolve opens this sequence with strange issue: resolution is always low (about 250x260) but read tag and its camera raw work perfectly. Why?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kermitt on July 05, 2013, 10:23:28 AM
Hi kermitt,

the best way is to shoot at fix 24.000 fps. there for you need to activate the FPS override. in die submenu switch the mode "Optimize for" to "Exact FPS". you better switch off Global draw in the overlay tab. thats the setting i got best results. Maybe there are still Pink squares but not as much as before and most of the time only at beginning or end of the recording.

Thanks very much for the tip. It works really well, no pink frames at all !!

Anybody knows how to convert raw file directly to prores 4444 or tiif sequence ? Because converting to dng makes the process very long !
Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kermitt on July 05, 2013, 10:26:40 AM
Thanks very much for the tip. It works really well, no pink frames at all !!

Anybody knows how to convert raw file directly to prores 4444 or tiif sequence ? Because converting to dng makes the process very long !
Thanks

No pink frames, but now I have colored dead pixels !!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Doyle4 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:47 PM
I've found the probably fastest way to convert dng  for grading in resolve.
This is my workflow:
1. raw acqusition from camera
2. convert raw in dng sequence with raw2dng (with badpixel_opcode)
3. select all dng files and drag and drop into photoshop
4. camera raw correction for single frame and sync to all
6. set option in 16 bit instead 8 bit with same resolution
7. "select all" button and save images (much faster than rendering in After Effects)

Here i've 2 possibilities (maybe only one): convert dng in digital negative (dng), tiff, or jpeg.
I've tried to save in tiff (not compressed) and resolve open the file sequence correctly but...doesn't read tag and its camera raw is disabled.
If i save in dng, photoshop exports file correctly, but resolve opens this sequence with strange issue: resolution is always low (about 250x260) but read tag and its camera raw work perfectly. Why?

Sometimes Photoshop preferences is set to open TIFF's in ACR, this sets all settings in ACR back to zero or default, try disabling TIFF's and Jpeg ACR support in Photoshop preferences and give it a try again :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 05, 2013, 12:42:25 PM
Sometimes Photoshop preferences is set to open TIFF's in ACR, this sets all settings in ACR back to zero or default, try disabling TIFF's and Jpeg ACR support in Photoshop preferences and give it a try again :)

The problem is in Resolve camera raw not in Adobe camera raw. ACR read dng and tiff correctly.
Davinci with tiff file doesn't enable camera raw setting but opens the tiff sequence correctly.
In reconverted dng file to 16 bit (same 8 bit), davinci camera raw setting is enabled but it opens dng sequence with very low resolution.

Changing these setting, help me to resolve this problem?

UPDATE
I've tried to change setting but no different result. Tiff files extracted by photoshop have metadata (visible in bridge) but resolve doesn't read it. It's a strange problem. Only way is working with reconverted 16 bit dng files but Resolve read bad these file. (a no-sense low resolution and no changes when you try to modify camera raw setting).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 05, 2013, 09:06:21 PM
So I have a few issues well one mainly. My 2011 iMac isnt fast enough for Resolve.  Some workflows give me hot pixels others dont so I use the raw converter > ACR > AE pro res 4444 > Edit in PP. This gives me the best image thus far.

I shoot with a san disk 45mb/s extreme. I'm getting these weird pink frames at random regardless of the resolution I shoot. Does this have to do with my exposure being right or wrong or what? My last test I shot at 960 x 544 with I think the jun 20th build. Im not near my camera so I have to check when I get in. Any advice is welcome thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 06, 2013, 01:54:00 AM
The problem is in Resolve camera raw not in Adobe camera raw. ACR read dng and tiff correctly.
Davinci with tiff file doesn't enable camera raw setting but opens the tiff sequence correctly.
In reconverted dng file to 16 bit (same 8 bit), davinci camera raw setting is enabled but it opens dng sequence with very low resolution.

Changing these setting, help me to resolve this problem?

UPDATE
I've tried to change setting but no different result. Tiff files extracted by photoshop have metadata (visible in bridge) but resolve doesn't read it. It's a strange problem. Only way is working with reconverted 16 bit dng files but Resolve read bad these file. (a no-sense low resolution and no changes when you try to modify camera raw setting).

ok i ask on BMD forum. Resolve only support cinemaDNG for raw files. No tiff and no dng (16 bit or 8 bit too). This is very bad news. I've tried all convertes: raw2cdng, rawmagic, rawanizer, batchelor, eyeframe. No one supports bad pixel opcode and this is a very big problem.

Until opcode tag will not be included (i hope resolve can read this tag)...raw from 60D with resolve never work.

Marekk no way to remove bad pixel during acquisition?

UPDATE (another one :D)
With lv_af_raw (update 6) no problem in converting to cinemadng (no bad pixel and no artifacts). And obviously camera raw in Resolve works great.
What kind of problems can occur?

Marekk can you compile a special version of last release with lv_af_raw?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on July 06, 2013, 02:44:22 PM
Hey Guys,

i made a few tests, but having some pixel problems as you can see ...

if someone has an solution for me, please PM me or reply!

But RAW video is nice stuff, keep on workin! Love it so far :)

Captured with Canon EOS 60d ISO 80 at 1280c544.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 06, 2013, 04:15:40 PM
ok i ask on BMD forum. Resolve only support cinemaDNG for raw files. No tiff and no dng (16 bit or 8 bit too). This is very bad news. I've tried all convertes: raw2cdng, rawmagic, rawanizer, batchelor, eyeframe. No one supports bad pixel opcode and this is a very big problem.

Until opcode tag will not be included (i hope resolve can read this tag)...raw from 60D with resolve never work.

Marekk no way to remove bad pixel during acquisition?

UPDATE (another one :D)
With lv_af_raw (update 6) no problem in converting to cinemadng (no bad pixel and no artifacts). And obviously camera raw in Resolve works great.
What kind of problems can occur?

Marekk can you compile a special version of last release with lv_af_raw?

Sarotaz, I've been using update 6 with lv_af_raw since it's release and get great results in resolve (using rawmagic to convert to cinema dng). I tried a newer update once but realized the dead/hot pixels couldn't be removed so I just stuck with update 6 with lv_af_raw! Works a treat. Obviously moire and aliasing are still an issue but no update is going to fix that and I can work around it.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 06, 2013, 08:01:10 PM
Sarotaz, I've been using update 6 with lv_af_raw since it's release and get great results in resolve (using rawmagic to convert to cinema dng). I tried a newer update once but realized the dead/hot pixels couldn't be removed so I just stuck with update 6 with lv_af_raw! Works a treat. Obviously moire and aliasing are still an issue but no update is going to fix that and I can work around it.

yes until rawmagic or raw2cdng will not support badpixel opcode tag i'll use update 6 too.
I ask to Marekk if can rebuild a special version of last update with lv_af_raw.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on July 06, 2013, 09:22:23 PM
Hey guys I have a question, are you guys using a specific picture style? Or just setting to Canon's neutral settings? I've been using VisionTech picture style, but was wondering if I should stick to something more "bland/neutral" and do the color retouching in post.

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 06, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
Hey guys I have a question, are you guys using a specific picture style? Or just setting to Canon's neutral settings? I've been using VisionTech picture style, but was wondering if I should stick to something more "bland/neutral" and do the color retouching in post.

Thanks

Nang,

Picture profile settings whilst shooting raw are irrelevant. The only thing it will affect is what you view on the LCD screen. What you're capturing with raw, from what I understand, is the data directly from the sensor before it goes through any processing (such as picture profile application).

I usually use landscape profile to view on the LCD to help with achieving critical focus.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 07, 2013, 07:34:16 AM
Hi guys, sorry I'm new to this 28 page thread. Is there anyone that can outline the steps including the most up to date file for the raw version of ML on the 60D

Thanks for all the developers and testers do, so exciting!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on July 07, 2013, 08:34:05 AM
Hey All,

@kermitt
to remove colored Pixel just update your raw2dng.exe with one of the hourly compiled one's. Worked fine for me. If u use "BATCHelor_2.3" you can replace the raw2dng.exe in the directory of the programm.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/qgkHzW3gn2

@Britney T
If u like 2 shoot raw footage, you need to follow the instuctions on 1st page. the last update must be 9 includes all you need.

Btw new test-footage soon without bad pixel :)

@Dev's
is there something special we need to test on raw shooting? I'd like to help improving this modul!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 07, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
I prepared a special version of ML for 60D and we've got now:

- raw video start delay (code from Tragic Lantern)
- option to set LV_AF_RAW in raw_rec menu
- cleaned dng headers + colormatrix1, colormatrix2, cameracalibration1, cameracalibration2

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgaG1PXzVQMmlVRkU/edit?usp=sharing

pls let me know if it works on your cameras..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 07, 2013, 04:12:31 PM
Marrek thanks for that link the list of files look different to all the others I spent time looking for but where on earth to I start with the downloads?

I know the rawdng is for post and what sys files are but what are all the others??

Sorry if this has already been answered, can I suggest another page for the updated info? Most people like me get lost in 28 pages of advice.

Thanks for all you guys do
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: keikun007 on July 07, 2013, 05:37:57 PM
hi, i have ML 2.3 installed in my SD and i have only one sd card
how do i update and install this mod? i have to simply replace the files for the nightly one and then put this over?

help me
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 07, 2013, 06:02:58 PM
I prepared a special version of ML for 60D and we've got now:

- raw video start delay (code from Tragic Lantern)
- option to set LV_AF_RAW in raw_rec menu
- cleaned dng headers + colormatrix1, colormatrix2, cameracalibration1, cameracalibration2

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgaG1PXzVQMmlVRkU/edit?usp=sharing

pls let me know if it works on your cameras..

Thank you Marekk. Great job. This version works perfect for me. With lv_af_raw finally i can work with resolve without bad pixel.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 07, 2013, 06:15:24 PM
Thank you Marekk. Great job. This version works perfect for me. With lv_af_raw finally i can work with resolve without bad pixel.

I will second this! Thank you so much Marekk. Your new build works perfect for me, too. RAWMagic and Resolve and no bad pixels!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 07, 2013, 07:25:01 PM
Hi guys Ive got the latest nightly vers working ok but cant scan the modules

Im using the latest, as suggested....

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgaG1PXzVQMmlVRkU/edit

But there are a few extra file there I dont know what to do with, that weren't in the original package
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on July 07, 2013, 07:29:56 PM
Hi Guys,

here an updated RAW-Movie version. This time with a newer raw2dng version. Still have problems with the best encoding for youtube, but thats another Point. Hope you like it.

@keikun007
you just need to replace the autoexec.bin and add the new ML folder. If you start your camera in manual mode you can choose in the Magic Lantern menu an new tab called "M" there you find the RAW video module.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 07, 2013, 07:55:16 PM
https://vimeo.com/69838339 (https://vimeo.com/69838339)

This is a very short test with raw2cdng and last release of RAW rec of Marekk (thanks again ;) )
Works great but i've noticed in some parts of image (highlight and shadow) a sort of pink/magenta artifacts of chromatic aberrations.
I've used raw2cdng to convert for resolve workflow. I'll try to convert another one with magicraw.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 07, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
try this tutorial

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6845.0



https://vimeo.com/69838339 (https://vimeo.com/69838339)

This is a very short test with raw2cdng and last release of RAW rec of Marekk (thanks again ;) )
Works great but i've noticed in some parts of image (highlight and shadow) a sort of pink/magenta artifacts of chromatic aberrations.
I've used raw2cdng to convert for resolve workflow. I'll try to convert another one with magicraw.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 07, 2013, 08:37:20 PM
It's possible to record with Line skipping?, I don't like cropping a canon wide-angle lens.

Recording for example 960 with center crop it's too small.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: rsbruins on July 07, 2013, 10:50:42 PM
Hey guys,

I dont know if this is already common knowledge but i was struggling with it for a while..
When I used raw_rec and the first time it worked but after that i got the Pink image. Now I
found the solution I think. The resolution is 1743 x 976 at default and this size gives me the pink image.
If i choose 1720x968 I dont get it and it works fine.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on July 07, 2013, 11:02:44 PM
Hi rsbruins,

do you record with exact fps and global draw off? it seems like these 2 options have a great influence on die "pink-pics". Change ur settings to: Override fps -> Exact 24fps. Also Disable Global draw and your results may get better :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 101001 on July 08, 2013, 11:51:57 AM
Finally got a day off and got to hace a go of RAW.  Its not a problem just a wondering I had.... One thing I've noticed though, how come some resolutions have a magenta hue and others don't?  1280x720 no colour cast but all resolutions do again not a problem at all but just trying to learn about how this is working

I set up using the latest build Marrek put up yesterday.  Is there anything specific I should look out for while testing it out, specific areas to be reporting back on.

Thanks all
Dave
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on July 08, 2013, 02:32:31 PM
Nang,

Picture profile settings whilst shooting raw are irrelevant. The only thing it will affect is what you view on the LCD screen. What you're capturing with raw, from what I understand, is the data directly from the sensor before it goes through any processing (such as picture profile application).

I usually use landscape profile to view on the LCD to help with achieving critical focus.

Ahh ok I see, thank you very much!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: os6 on July 08, 2013, 06:11:02 PM
Hi,

not sure if this is an know issue, but in most of my recorded videos the 2nd and the 4th frames are corrupt.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg707%2F861%2Fxg8e.jpg&hash=6cf64f58ba347010bc905da19877715d)

does someone has the same Problem?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 08, 2013, 09:43:50 PM
try this tutorial

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6845.0

Turning on the camera, the lv_af_raw setting does not maintain its state. I switch it off, switch it on and it works again.

I've tried the tutorial and it works good...but the pink highlights still remain but less visible. This is a interpretation problem of Resolve. The dng files opened with ACR look perfect.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kingskafa on July 10, 2013, 11:09:51 AM
Well... I'm not sure which nightly build I used...  but. Heres a little video I did for my church youth group.  Shot all in RAW 960x408 because it gives me the longest recording time.  Just wanted to see if I could use it in a real world situation with a 1 day turn around. So its probably not the most beautiful video but hey! Syncing the audio was the most time consuming part cuz 99% of the time I could not read the slate in the shots... but it all worked out.    I only boosted the shadows and exposure on a few shots and did basic color correction.   Oh yea and for the end section when there are little pygmies, I used the grass as a green screen. Did not turn out great but better than an h.264 any day.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 10, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
Turning on the camera, the lv_af_raw setting does not maintain its state. I switch it off, switch it on and it works again.

I've tried the tutorial and it works good...but the pink highlights still remain but less visible. This is a interpretation problem of Resolve. The dng files opened with ACR look perfect.

Sarotaz, are you saying when you turn the camera on it shows that lv_af_raw is on but is actually off? Or that lv_af_raw doesn't actually stay on? My lv_af_raw stays on (or at least shows that its on) when I turn off the camera then turn it back on.

Thanks
Mick
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 10, 2013, 07:12:29 PM
I tested it and lv_af_raw stays on and dng files are created without hot pixels.

Sarotaz, are you saying when you turn the camera on it shows that lv_af_raw is on but is actually off? Or that lv_af_raw doesn't actually stay on? My lv_af_raw stays on (or at least shows that its on) when I turn off the camera then turn it back on.

Thanks
Mick
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 10, 2013, 07:46:29 PM
I tested it and lv_af_raw stays on and dng files are created without hot pixels.

it's strange. yes when i turn off and turn on the camera lv_af_raw state is on but if i shoot i have hot pixel. But if i turn off and on the lv_af_raw i've no hot pixel anymore. I'll try again.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 11, 2013, 07:42:12 AM
it's strange. yes when i turn off and turn on the camera lv_af_raw state is on but if i shoot i have hot pixel. But if i turn off and on the lv_af_raw i've no hot pixel anymore. I'll try again.

Same happened to me. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't?

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOTXIyMXJJVlZYMjA/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOTXIyMXJJVlZYMjA/edit?usp=sharing)

This is when I (thought I) had lv_af_raw on but I still got dead/hot pixels.

raw (1600x680)->rawmagic->resolve (1920X1080)->bmd film with highlight recovery->captain hook LUT->reduce exposer by 1.50->light blur in resolve
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on July 11, 2013, 07:47:22 AM
Again, lv_af_raw is raw data with an edge detection filter applied on it. You don't want to record it.

You can remove bad pixels, but you can't remove lv_af_raw artifacts.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 11, 2013, 07:49:36 AM
Again, lv_af_raw is raw data with an edge detection filter applied on it. You don't want to record it.

You can remove bad pixels, but you can't remove lv_af_raw artifacts.

What artifacts does it create as opposed to without? Is there more aliasing and moire with lv_af_raw?

edit: I just tried again, making sure to turn off, then on lv_af_raw and didn't have any bad pixels. I'm sure I just forgot to turn off then on lv_af_raw when switching my camera off then back on. I'll keep testing, though.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 11, 2013, 08:40:11 AM
Again, lv_af_raw is raw data with an edge detection filter applied on it. You don't want to record it.

You can remove bad pixels, but you can't remove lv_af_raw artifacts.

no no it isn't artifacts due to edge detection. It is bad pixel again until you turn off and turn on again lv_af_raw function.
When raw function works properly bad pixel are removed.

This is the only solution to work in resolve at moment, until someone include bad pixel opcode tag in cinemadng converter. (i hope resolve read this tag).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on July 11, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
Just try to focus better and you'll see ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 11, 2013, 09:38:30 AM
Just try to focus better and you'll see ;)

yes i know  :-\ but no other solution for raw working with resolve...maybe i have one...buying a blackmagic camera  ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 11, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
it's only temporary solution, we are still wainting for badpixel_opcode in raw2cdng or rawmagic to test if resolve support this tag. I've got a lot of hot pixels in Resolve, much more than in ACR without badpixel_opcode.
Second option is to convert from 14bit to 16 bit in raw2dng but I don't know how to do it.

Again, lv_af_raw is raw data with an edge detection filter applied on it. You don't want to record it.

You can remove bad pixels, but you can't remove lv_af_raw artifacts.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 11, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
Second option is to convert from 14bit to 16 bit in raw2dng but I don't know how to do it.

Unfortunately nope. I test to reconvert with photoshop in 16 bit dng and Resolve open it with a very low resolution. I ask in blackmagic forum and....i've realize that resolve doesn't support dng but only cinemadng.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 11, 2013, 11:24:03 AM
It's not a problem of 16bit but adobe dng converter.

Resolve can't open dng files created by raw2dng because of number of bits (14). We need 10,12 or 16 bits to open in Resolve.


Unfortunately nope. I test to reconvert with photoshop in 16 bit dng and Resolve open it with a very low resolution. I ask in blackmagic forum and....i've realize that resolve doesn't support dng but only cinemadng.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 11, 2013, 11:52:33 AM
It's not a problem of 16bit but adobe dng converter.

Resolve can't open dng files created by raw2dng because of number of bits (14). We need 10,12 or 16 bits to open in Resolve.

ah this is a half good news. Now "just" find a way to create dng in 10,12 or 16 bit from raw file. No one can help you?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on July 11, 2013, 12:09:04 PM
Thanks Marekk for adding the lv_af_raw, its been a life saver!

It would be great if RawMagic could remove the hot pixels as its so much better, but the CinemaDNGs don't behave like other CinDNGs (i.e. I can't open them directly in FCPX).
Also, i've noticed that you can still kinda see the trace of the HotPixels when upscaling the footage, which is obviously really annoying.

On the plus side, i've been shooting some Anamorphic footage & have been able to upscale to 2K with great results!
Shooting 3:2 @ 1280x854 (11/12 secs recording) with a x1.5 anamorphic lens.
All my tests, so far, show that an anamorphic lens really makes the Raw files look a little cleaner (for upscaling) than if i had shot them without.

@A1ex - any luck with discovering how to use that extra memory?
 

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 11, 2013, 12:27:47 PM
ah this is a half good news. Now "just" find a way to create dng in 10,12 or 16 bit from raw file. No one can help you?

I think it's faster to add one tag to cdng than create 14 to 16bit converter from scratch
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 11, 2013, 12:48:43 PM
I think it's faster to add one tag to cdng than create 14 to 16bit converter from scratch

agree with you :D still waiting
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on July 11, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
Come on, 16-bit output is easy, use an array of unsigned short, copy the image data, then reverse the bytes.

Or, you can interpolate the bad pixels in raw2dng. A previous implementation did that, but it needs some extra care for blobs of bad pixels.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on July 12, 2013, 06:29:08 AM
New RAW video :)
http://vimeo.com/70133868 (https://vimeo.com/70133868)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 12, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
Come on, 16-bit output is easy, use an array of unsigned short, copy the image data, then reverse the bytes.

Or, you can interpolate the bad pixels in raw2dng. A previous implementation did that, but it needs some extra care for blobs of bad pixels.

marekk could you add this feature to raw2dng? with 16 bit file we can try if resolve open correctly dng sequence.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 12, 2013, 08:08:59 AM
New RAW video :)
http://vimeo.com/70133868 (https://vimeo.com/70133868)

workflow?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: SoulState on July 12, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
How can i lock stutter time? It's really annoying when changing fps for raw timelapse or changing zoom mode - shutter always resets and image become overexposed. (in zoom mode - exposure due shutter resets and image get underexposed). If i set for example 0.5 fps it is unreal to get right shutter time because it is too slow to react on control wheel...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 12, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
I'm not a programmer but I can try ;)

marekk could you add this feature to raw2dng? with 16 bit file we can try if resolve open correctly dng sequence.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on July 12, 2013, 03:39:23 PM
@SoulState

The only shutter lock I know of is under Movie (Video Camera Icon)->Movie Tweaks (press the "Q" button)->Shutter Lock.

Note: Before you set it to ON, make sure you set the shutter to the desired value FIRST.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: morrices22 on July 12, 2013, 05:24:04 PM
but  a mode in jpeg instead of rawvideo is it possible? ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on July 12, 2013, 05:31:22 PM
workflow?

yes, camera raw...
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 12, 2013, 07:00:58 PM
I have more spare time now.
Build ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-07-12_13-00.zip

Canon 60D + 70-200F4L @ 200mm ƒ10 1/50 ISO 100
1,728 x 736 , 195 frames (I think)  25fps (202 with 24p) Sandisk 45mb/s
Global Draw OFF,

RawMagic b7 -->AE CC >> ProRes 4444
Download Original: 220mb 7s  https://app.box.com/s/hh9epvo2fseug3q6r91r

One question, it's possible to record lower resolutions without cropping the live view feed?

UPDATE: 1080p h264 video recorded by mistake (raw module not loaded ) https://app.box.com/s/5v1dx1o9m91mq3ynxv52 (38mb)
(Not CC and not optimal settings (ETTR for RAW)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: morrices22 on July 12, 2013, 09:33:21 PM
In jpeg mode could also be used  resolutions more, and moire effects  and alasing disappear , no? ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 12, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
hey guys a short question for you:

if i convert in photoshop dng sequence to tiff 16bit uncompressed, can i work with resolve like a raw sequence (unless resolve camera raw)?
Does dynamic range of 14 bit maintained in tiff uncompressed?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 12, 2013, 10:13:48 PM
I'm not a programmer but I can try ;)

thanks for your great work, i appreciate it very much :-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on July 13, 2013, 06:44:41 AM
Flowers in RAW...


Canon EOS 60D + EF 50mm 1:1.8 II...
Software Lightroom 4, QuickTime Pro 7 and Sony Vegas Pro 11.0...

O.G.17 More On My Chanel
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 13, 2013, 09:02:41 AM
@marekk

GOOOD NEWS for you! New version of resolve (9.1.5) finally reads dng sequence from raw2dng (14 bit). But it doesn't read bad pixel opcode tag and this is a huge problem  :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 13, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
A1ex, pls look at this article
http://photographylife.com/dead-vs-stuck-vs-hot-pixels

Previous implementation was able to remove only dead pixels but not stuck and hot pixels..



Come on, 16-bit output is easy, use an array of unsigned short, copy the image data, then reverse the bytes.

Or, you can interpolate the bad pixels in raw2dng. A previous implementation did that, but it needs some extra care for blobs of bad pixels.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 13, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
A1ex, pls look at this article
http://photographylife.com/dead-vs-stuck-vs-hot-pixels

Previous implementation was able to remove only dead pixels but not stuck and hot pixels..

In my case i have only stuck pixel in dng file. In Resolve i open 2 dng sequence and enable wipe mode. The bad pixels are always in the same position.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 13, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=4529&fileID=4219

In Adobe DNG SDK there is a code for bad pixel removal but it's cpp. I'm not a programmer so it's difficult for me to translate it to c.

I've just updated Resolve to 9.1.5 and it really opens DNG files straight from raw2dng. We should to add only a FrameRate tag to chdk-dng.c and some code to raw2dng.


In my case i have only stuck pixel in dng file. In Resolve i open 2 dng sequence and enable wipe mode. The bad pixels are always in the same position.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 13, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=4529&fileID=4219

In Adobe DNG SDK there is a code for bad pixel removal but it's cpp. I'm not a programmer so it's difficult for me to translate it to c.

I've just updated Resolve to 9.1.5 and it really opens DNG files straight from raw2dng. We should to add only a FrameRate tag to chdk-dng.c and some code to raw2dng.

I'm not a programmer too.  :( Unfortunately i don't help you. Maybe A1ex can.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 13, 2013, 12:58:33 PM
I noticed Resolve 9.1.5 now can open files converted by Adobe DNG Converter, but story is the same. Resolve doesn't remove badpixels. I think they noticed that Resolve needs to open 14bit files, maybe they will implement also a badpixel removing ;))
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 13, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
I noticed Resolve 9.1.5 now can open files converted by Adobe DNG Converter, but story is the same. Resolve doesn't remove badpixels. I think they noticed that Resolve needs to open 14bit files, maybe they will implement also a badpixel removing ;))

probably next release will be 10. And they could add these small features. Maybe.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 13, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
Hi Marekk. Fantastic stuff this RAW. I Usually shoot 2.35:1 @ 1600 @ 11.986 and can shoot for 3000 frames. amazing.
Anyway. Was wondering if it's possible to make black box like 5d mkII when recording raw. Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 13, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2217-222.html

bad/hot/stuck pixels from my 60D.. It looks like a garbage ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 13, 2013, 09:04:39 PM
http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2217-222.html

bad/hot/stuck pixels from my 60D.. It looks like a garbage ;)

same is mine  -.-
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 13, 2013, 09:11:23 PM
same is mine  -.-

Yep, I'm dealing with the same issue.

Tool, your post mentioned your workflow was RawMagic, which converts to Cinema DNG. How do you not have dead/hot/bad pixels? Did you have lv_af_raw enabled?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 13, 2013, 09:25:39 PM
Yep, I'm dealing with the same issue.

Tool, your post mentioned your workflow was RawMagic, which converts to Cinema DNG. How do you not have dead/hot/bad pixels? Did you have lv_af_raw enabled?

it is not a problem of rawmagic only...it is a problem of all software doesn't include or read badpixel opcode tag. Only ACR can read this tag and only raw2dng includes this tag in dng sequence.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 13, 2013, 09:45:28 PM
it is not a problem of rawmagic only...it is a problem of all software doesn't include or read badpixel opcode tag. Only ACR can read this tag and only raw2dng includes this tag in dng sequence.

Right, so how does user Tool have no bad pixels?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 13, 2013, 10:55:53 PM
Right, so how does user Tool have no bad pixels?

I've got bad pixeles before with other builds and high iso. But latest test doesn't show "bad pixeles", I need futher test.

I think we need a fast way to choose betwen normal (x264+RAW+GlobalDRaw+Audio) and RAW video mode. Today I lost sound of a birthday because I forget about the AUDIO!, turned on, RAWpic, global draw  but not audio :( And left my Zoom h4n at home.

The same video ProRes-->x264 20mbit with Handbrake > 18mbyte https://app.box.com/s/8fp311sj3xi2ccqchspe

DNG --> https://app.box.com/s/ah4dzr53700foxyihp6y

Fun test ---> https://app.box.com/s/j1ah1phyms8u3ypqy8ki

It's fun having just 7seconds, and wait until the buffer is empty to record again.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 14, 2013, 02:43:01 AM
Hi Marekk. Fantastic stuff this RAW. I Usually shoot 2.35:1 @ 1600 @ 11.986 and can shoot for 3000 frames. amazing.
Anyway. Was wondering if it's possible to make black box like 5d mkII when recording raw. Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 14, 2013, 04:24:19 AM
GUYS VERY SIMPLE QUESTION

Ive just dont my first test of raw on the 60D, looking good but WHY does raw2dng automatically create a .mov files with my folders of .dngs?

It looks good in and of itself, what is it?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: nanpa on July 14, 2013, 08:33:16 AM
hi marekk,davinci 9.15 now can open dng,so can you fix the bad pixel Problem?sorry my bad english.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vertigopix on July 14, 2013, 10:20:03 AM
GUYS VERY SIMPLE QUESTION

Ive just dont my first test of raw on the 60D, looking good but WHY does raw2dng automatically create a .mov files with my folders of .dngs?

It looks good in and of itself, what is it?

Sorry but you must do something wrong...
I have used raw2dng several times and it NEVER give me a .mov file...

Can you give us your workflow ?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 14, 2013, 11:13:16 AM
verti, I get about 30secs of continuous raw on my 60D shooting 1280x544. I drag & drop the raw file directly on top of the raw2dng app and it creates the sequenced folder of files automatically on the sdhc card. I then open the first file in the folder and adobe camera raw opens for the color correction, then I render out a sequence from after effects in ProRes.

Everything works FINE! I just want to know why I have an additional .mov file created at the same time of the conversion with the same file name as the dng folder??

Am I using a new version of the app thats designed that way??
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 101001 on July 14, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
@britney t

Im not sure  i understand where youre issue lies in the workflow. First prores creates a .mov but im gonna assume yoiu know that. Perhaps tiff sequence's are set to open by default in QuickTime for you?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 14, 2013, 12:23:35 PM
It's not a original raw2dng app but raw2dng GUI frontend. It creates folder with dng file but also a mov file.


verti, I get about 30secs of continuous raw on my 60D shooting 1280x544. I drag & drop the raw file directly on top of the raw2dng app and it creates the sequenced folder of files automatically on the sdhc card. I then open the first file in the folder and adobe camera raw opens for the color correction, then I render out a sequence from after effects in ProRes.

Everything works FINE! I just want to know why I have an additional .mov file created at the same time of the conversion with the same file name as the dng folder??

Am I using a new version of the app thats designed that way??
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 14, 2013, 12:29:29 PM
thanks marek, why is this .mov file created?

Sorry Im new this, is this a raw turned into a quicktime file just without the grade?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 14, 2013, 06:19:34 PM
Another shot with canon 50mm 1.8, handheld stabilized with AE: https://app.box.com/s/zqrtua5c25y9i3lsyr6j  downscaled to 720p.

I hate going back to h264.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 14, 2013, 08:21:23 PM
I've got bad pixeles before with other builds and high iso. But latest test doesn't show "bad pixeles", I need futher test.

Wich version you use? You have no bad pixel with Resolve too? ACR remove bad pixel itself by opcode tag but resolve doesn't support this tag. Maybe you have bad pixel or stuck pixel but you can't see becouse you use ACR. Right?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 14, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
Wich version you use? You have no bad pixel with Resolve too? ACR remove bad pixel itself by opcode tag but resolve doesn't support this tag. Maybe you have bad pixel or stuck pixel but you can't see becouse you use ACR. Right?
I used ACR, I have to download Resolve. I wish BMD released Resolve 10, without openCL support previewing anything in AE or Resolve it's imposible. On my hackintosh with AMD card MPE works perfect, driving 3 screens, but 24gb of ram it's not enough
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 14, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
Wich version you use? You have no bad pixel with Resolve too? ACR remove bad pixel itself by opcode tag but resolve doesn't support this tag. Maybe you have bad pixel or stuck pixel but you can't see becouse you use ACR. Right?

I've just installed Davinci Resolve. I have to figured out how to "develop the raw".

Imported the DNG as sequence, playback it's smooth (just 7s), much better than expected with an AMD card. But when I sized-up the preview, got this result with ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-07-12_13-00, Resolve 9.1.5
http://i.imgur.com/tXZ5oDZ.jpg

Lots of bad pixeles..

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on July 14, 2013, 10:28:08 PM
I've just installed Davinci Resolve. I have to figured out how to "develop the raw".

Imported the DNG as sequence, playback it's smooth (just 7s), much better than expected with an AMD card. But when I sized-up the preview, got this result with ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-07-12_13-00, Resolve 9.1.5
http://i.imgur.com/tXZ5oDZ.jpg

Lots of bad pixeles..

yes it isn't a problem of resolve. Your dng sequence is always full of bad pixel..but using ACR you can't see becouse the software automatically removes the bad pixels thanks to a special tag in dng file. Resolve doesn't support this tag then you see it again  ;D

Is only 60D affected by this problem? in 5d mkIII this problem i've never seen.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 14, 2013, 11:23:43 PM
yes it isn't a problem of resolve. Your dng sequence is always full of bad pixel..but using ACR you can't see becouse the software automatically removes the bad pixels thanks to a special tag in dng file. Resolve doesn't support this tag then you see it again  ;D

Is only 60D affected by this problem? in 5d mkIII this problem i've never seen.

I just tried to remap bad pixeles (1 minute on manual cleaning without lens), but still there. But i'm OK with the results with ACR.

Shooting 2-3 minutes worth of footage it's time consuming, 8seconds per take, 25 takes or so! But love the quality. I just need to record all sensor at 1600 or 1280.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 15, 2013, 04:52:49 PM
Another option to remove bad pixels is to find:
RAW_TYPE_ADDRESS
and set it in raw.c.

It works for 5dmkIII and 600d.. Unfortunately disassembling is to difficult for me..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 15, 2013, 05:39:30 PM
Does anybody know what the .mov file is after a dng extraction?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 15, 2013, 06:35:03 PM
Does anybody know what the .mov file is after a dng extraction?

Using raw2dng? It automatically creates a prores file. That's what the .mov file is, I believe.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on July 15, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
@Britney T

The answer was easily discoverable via search.  Use it next time to cut down on thread litter, please!

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.msg58502#msg58502
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.msg59123#msg59123
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 16, 2013, 03:03:41 AM
Yuppa, repsectfully its NOT easily searcable Ive been looking for 2 days, and the link you provided doesnt answer the question either. Is the prores file that the raw2dng app creates raw? It looks like it
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: albert-e on July 16, 2013, 03:31:20 AM
Yuppa, repsectfully its NOT easily searcable Ive been looking for 2 days, and the link you provided doesnt answer the question either. Is the prores file that the raw2dng app creates raw? It looks like it

Is the prores file that the raw2dng app creates raw? NO. Prores isn't RAW. C'mon, use your resource, don't you ever heard of "Google" it, use it, you'll learn more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProRes
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on July 16, 2013, 03:54:32 AM
@Britney T

1. YOU asked, "...why is this .mov file created?"  Answer: It's a prores version.
2. There are quite a few versions of raw2dng out there (both for the Mac and the PC).  It's really quite easy to ask the author of the version you're using, "Why does it do, 'X'?"  They are your best resource.
3. Thread litter (like asking the same question--on the same thread--over and over) is a HUGE issue on any forum.

Search and ask here:

"Topic: raw2dng.app 0.13 Osx GUI development..."
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0

--and--

THIS very thread:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.msg52490#msg52490
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 16, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
Go to Raw2Dng Forum and read it. There all your answers will be revealed. do a search for raw2dng and READ THE STUFF.
Furthermore, this forum is not concerned with Raw2DNG app it's concerned with 60D, Hence.

Does anybody know what the .mov file is after a dng extraction?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 16, 2013, 10:52:52 PM
Hi Marekk.  Was wondering if it's possible to make black box like 5d mkII when recording raw. What I mean is, instead of just a white  rectangle to show recording area, the 5D blocks out the rest of the non recorded area in black and also no GlobalDraw. It's like the black and white preview only it's color, is it possible with the 60D or is outside of the cameras ability? Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 17, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
I think global draw should be ON to do it..

Hi Marekk.  Was wondering if it's possible to make black box like 5d mkII when recording raw. What I mean is, instead of just a white  rectangle to show recording area, the 5D blocks out the rest of the non recorded area in black and also no GlobalDraw. It's like the black and white preview only it's color, is it possible with the 60D or is outside of the cameras ability? Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 12:34:57 AM
I think global draw should be ON to do it..

With the 5dmk2 the option to have black border is only available when global draw is off, it's in the RAW rec submenu. I recently shot a short film with my friends mk2 saw the feature and think it's fantastic. I know maybe you don't have the mk2 I'll post some screen grab in an hour or so.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 01:31:37 AM
Here's the screenshots:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-3.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAAUTaQKR7ivzQmlqU8anJ7jbiCukqqmUtlfnEN3fCPE0Q%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F_%2F1%2F2%2FVRAM0.jpg%2FMrFuaawPPDL1KlYLvSYuEuGsqRhFdJEvxKEq4ZwTCu8%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=dbcd7e6427a338415d081113fd91c61a)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-4.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAA2-uQu1t4oNSnvTgPzzQAmqbltr4G7nXxqnkpHQ6fJww%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F_%2F1%2F2%2FVRAM2.jpg%2FPi9nbssgL53l-xp6dFUe0VKoN2RI0r23Tf4LotQHFkU%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=b66ab1c5d55d5307ed643e8496794452)

Thank you for all the work you've done here. And A1ex and nanomad and everyone else I have no Idea who you are but thank you, all of you
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 17, 2013, 02:20:34 AM
Here's the screenshots:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-2.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAADCucaEOFENioxhXMAX4Xwgm2Dy7JbJgdHdti8NkFZKBQ%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F1374022800%2F0%2F2%2FVRAM0.jpg%2FMrFuaawPPDL1KlYLvSYuEuGsqRhFdJEvxKEq4ZwTCu8%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=99eb9e9227e85cfae5e83c1da3d230b0)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-3.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAC07Nsmk5O77a4orQHNPL0zfQDPfNs9bvktwM_SJtoOrA%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F1374022800%2F0%2F2%2FVRAM2.jpg%2FPi9nbssgL53l-xp6dFUe0VKoN2RI0r23Tf4LotQHFkU%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=84371472e08985cc3bbe3eb690092b9f)

Thank you for all the work you've done here. And A1ex and nanomad and everyone else I have no Idea who you are but thank you, all of you

I was about to say how the hell are you getting 38 mb/s on the 60D then I went back a page and seen you have a Mk ii as well lol
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 17, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
here is a raw_rec code for 5DMKII builds.
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/src/4c786d285287d28e4c7cc9ab72a82753f2fc7a2f/modules/raw_rec/raw_rec.c?at=unified

I'm going do add black borders and automatic disabling of global draw during recording to 60D build (till the end of this week).



With the 5dmk2 the option to have black border is only available when global draw is off, it's in the RAW rec submenu. I recently shot a short film with my friends mk2 saw the feature and think it's fantastic. I know maybe you don't have the mk2 I'll post some screen grab in an hour or so.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
here is a raw_rec code for 5DMKII builds.
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/src/4c786d285287d28e4c7cc9ab72a82753f2fc7a2f/modules/raw_rec/raw_rec.c?at=unified

I'm going do add black borders and automatic disabling of global draw during recording to 60D build (till the end of this week).

Wow. Awesome. Thank you.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 17, 2013, 02:24:55 PM
Ok, here is a new version of ML for 60D

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgeWFDTHBNMnhfcEE/edit?usp=sharing

New options (thanks to 5DMKII users):
- enable/disable global draw during raw recording
- enable/disable recording frame (black bars) during raw recording

I have no access to my 60D today so please let me know if it works :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on July 17, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
@marekk

Works for me--this is great!  Only issues are (and I have no idea what this is like on the 5DM2):

1) The buffer meter flickers a bit when the black border is engaged.
2) On the RAW video menu, the "Recording frame" has "Black bars" (which in my mind translates to "letterboxed") as a choice, but I think "Black border" or "Black mask" or even "Black cutout" is more intuitive--if anybody else cares.

These are minor nick-picks.

Great job and thanks again!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on July 17, 2013, 04:14:12 PM
"Black Mask" sounds mysterious... ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 04:35:12 PM
Hi Marekk,
So as the other user said, the only issue is the meter flickers, and the frames and size info are cut off at the border with the frame.  Otherwise it's awesome, I like very much the lv_af on/off, it's good, nice touch. I recorded at my usual 1600 @ 2.35:1 @ 11.986 and ran the result through rawmagic 0.7b and looks good, really good. especially with lv_af on, as you know. also, i will test with my monitor and see what happens, because I checked with my friends 5dmk2 and used the monitor with this function and force VGA and it worked, i had acurate preview on the monitor and no corruption so i'll see what is results. Otherwise, this is fantastic, makes framing very nice and it looks nice when you shoot to have all black around the frame. Maybe it's also good for battery life?
Any way. Thank you.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 04:52:27 PM
Ok, So I checked with the external monitor, set force VGA over HDMI and recorded 1600 @ 2.35 @ 11.986 and works great. (except of the flicker of the meter for the frames and size). I'll put up a screen shot in a few minutes.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 05:17:38 PM
What it looks like:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-6.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAD-gpgO2U58VvdUGrOa5PZi-zYGXi0Sjl83bcCb46iqRA%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F_%2F1%2F2%2FVRAM01.jpg%2FbK-r4xNp9xkwkdQkssH6TPiJma8-GOiZZ5zJtissvCE%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=fa61d1114cf268c995135292f30aacdd)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 17, 2013, 07:24:27 PM
What it looks like:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-6.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAD-gpgO2U58VvdUGrOa5PZi-zYGXi0Sjl83bcCb46iqRA%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F_%2F1%2F2%2FVRAM01.jpg%2FbK-r4xNp9xkwkdQkssH6TPiJma8-GOiZZ5zJtissvCE%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=fa61d1114cf268c995135292f30aacdd)

Hey John can't see the screenshot.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 07:29:21 PM
Hey John can't see the screenshot.

I can. the black box with the white rectangle is the screenshot.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on July 17, 2013, 07:34:59 PM
Ok, here is a new version of ML for 60D

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgeWFDTHBNMnhfcEE/edit?usp=sharing

New options (thanks to 5DMKII users):
- enable/disable global draw during raw recording
- enable/disable recording frame (black bars) during raw recording

I have no access to my 60D today so please let me know if it works :)


Thanks again Marekk!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 17, 2013, 07:37:26 PM
I can. the black box with the white rectangle is the screenshot.

this is what I'm seeing: (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-6.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAAD-gpgO2U58VvdUGrOa5PZi-zYGXi0Sjl83bcCb46iqRA%2F12%2F59732568%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F_%2F1%2F2%2FVRAM01.jpg%2FbK-r4xNp9xkwkdQkssH6TPiJma8-GOiZZ5zJtissvCE%3Fsize%3D1280x960&hash=fa61d1114cf268c995135292f30aacdd)

You can see it because you're using your dropbox url
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 17, 2013, 07:56:39 PM
Now it should be ok:

raw_rec.mo
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgOU5ueFdHTjRIYTQ/edit?usp=sharing

LV_AF_RAW is a tempoary solution. We should to find memory address where raw type is stored. Then we can set correct raw type like on 5dmkIII, 600D etc.. Unfortunately disassembling is to difficult for me.



Hi Marekk,
So as the other user said, the only issue is the meter flickers, and the frames and size info are cut off at the border with the frame.  Otherwise it's awesome, I like very much the lv_af on/off, it's good, nice touch. I recorded at my usual 1600 @ 2.35:1 @ 11.986 and ran the result through rawmagic 0.7b and looks good, really good. especially with lv_af on, as you know. also, i will test with my monitor and see what happens, because I checked with my friends 5dmk2 and used the monitor with this function and force VGA and it worked, i had acurate preview on the monitor and no corruption so i'll see what is results. Otherwise, this is fantastic, makes framing very nice and it looks nice when you shoot to have all black around the frame. Maybe it's also good for battery life?
Any way. Thank you.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Huit Films on July 17, 2013, 07:57:21 PM

Here is a test on a SanDisk Extreme 45Mb/s

I recorded in 1280x480 continuously. Thank you for the development on the 60D!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 08:12:26 PM
Now it should be ok:

raw_rec.mo
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgOU5ueFdHTjRIYTQ/edit?usp=sharing

LV_AF_RAW is a tempoary solution. We should to find memory address where raw type is stored. Then we can set correct raw type like on 5dmkIII, 600D etc.. Unfortunately disassembling is to difficult for me.
I don't even know what you said just then, disassembling memory address raw type? bro  :-\ , but, I'm testing the module now....And it works. Siiiiick. And my 60D is rolling @ 21.3Mb/s. 2948 frames @ 1600 @ 2.35 @ 11.986. That's not bad at all. Awesome. Thank you
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 17, 2013, 08:57:10 PM
I don't even know what you said just then, disassembling memory address raw type? bro  :-\ , but, I'm testing the module now....And it works. Siiiiick. And my 60D is rolling @ 21.3Mb/s. 2948 frames @ 1600 @ 2.35 @ 11.986. That's not bad at all. Awesome. Thank you
How did you achieved such a results with your 60D?
I'm getting with my 60D sandisk 32gb ultra
ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-07-...07-00.zip with the new raw_rec module.
And 1600 @ 2.35 I'm getting 266 frames  Global Raw of, S3, no audio, 1080p 25fps
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXElhqbp.jpg&hash=3db60fc4699bd58f7bb2e5a2619ddf1c)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 17, 2013, 08:58:22 PM
I don't even know what you said just then, disassembling memory address raw type? bro  :-\ , but, I'm testing the module now....And it works. Siiiiick. And my 60D is rolling @ 21.3Mb/s. 2948 frames @ 1600 @ 2.35 @ 11.986. That's not bad at all. Awesome. Thank you

What build are you running? I think the last compiled I updated to was July 14th.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on July 17, 2013, 09:15:08 PM
hi tool.
yeah i shoot @ 11.986 fps. FPS override. Peruse the forums and you'll discover that the 60d is limited by it's buffer, so you must do some juggling to get the resolution you want. namely juggle resolution, aspect ratio and FPS. have fun. also your 60D will likely top out @ 21.3Mb/s, so if you'll notice on the bottom of your camera display in yellow it tells you what you can expect in terms of pipeline.
Have fun.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 17, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
hi tool.
yeah i shoot @ 11.986 fps. FPS override. Peruse the forums and you'll discover that the 60d is limited by it's buffer, so you must do some juggling to get the resolution you want. namely juggle resolution, aspect ratio and FPS. have fun. also your 60D will likely top out @ 21.3Mb/s, so if you'll notice on the bottom of your camera display in yellow it tells you what you can expect in terms of pipeline.
Have fun.
Thanks for the reply, I get confused by the 11986, I tried raw from the first early builds, and benchmarking my SD. With this build and this card geting roughly 20.1mb/s, I have to do low-level format from computer, for now (just low-level format from camera).

For now, I just use 1728 @ 2.35 @ 24fps I get about 202 frames. Next week I'll be shooting lots of landscapes.

Having the option on the rawrec module to turn of the Global Draw it's nice. We just need the options "Set stills RAW quality back and sound recording on. This just would make Shooting RAW video and RAW stills perfect.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Huit Films on July 18, 2013, 10:18:44 PM
Hey there! I made a new test today, with another SD Card, a Lexar Professional 32GB 400x speed Class 10 writing at 60Mo/s.
Every shot were taken in 1472x626 and contain more or less 400 frames.

Here it is!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: v8rrc on July 19, 2013, 01:02:17 AM
Here's a short video I've made.
Shot at 1728 x 972 (16:9) @ 25fps, I get 134 frames every time on a Sandisk Extreme 45 mb/s or Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 mb/s.
I used a Minolta MD 50 F1.7 with an adapter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeOIP8yNig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeOIP8yNig)

PS:Any ideas on how to stop the pink frames?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 19, 2013, 01:52:41 AM
Here's a short video I've made.
Shot at 1728 x 972 (16:9) @ 25fps, I get 134 frames every time on a Sandisk Extreme 45 mb/s or Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 mb/s.
I used a Minolta MD 50 F1.7 with an adapter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeOIP8yNig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeOIP8yNig)

PS:Any ideas on how to stop the pink frames?

I've been trying to figure that out myself sometimes I get pink frames sometimes I don't. I've turned global draw off and that seems to work, but even then I still get them occasionally and I'm using the 45 mb/s Sandisk as well.

Side question what do you guys feel is the best resolution to shoot at that is practical? I've been using 960x544 continuous and uprezzing to 720. Anybody shooting at a higher resolution of 30 secs or more with success?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Nang on July 19, 2013, 02:20:53 PM
I've been trying to figure that out myself sometimes I get pink frames sometimes I don't. I've turned global draw off and that seems to work, but even then I still get them occasionally and I'm using the 45 mb/s Sandisk as well.

Side question what do you guys feel is the best resolution to shoot at that is practical? I've been using 960x544 continuous and uprezzing to 720. Anybody shooting at a higher resolution of 30 secs or more with success?

I would like to know this as well. I originally started at 960x544, then went up to 1280x544, but it would be nice to able to shoot longer periods of time at 720.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ckrook on July 20, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
Here's a short video I've made.
Shot at 1728 x 972 (16:9) @ 25fps, I get 134 frames every time on a Sandisk Extreme 45 mb/s or Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 mb/s.
I used a Minolta MD 50 F1.7 with an adapter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeOIP8yNig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeOIP8yNig)

PS:Any ideas on how to stop the pink frames?

How are you able to get 134 frames? No matter what settings and releases I try, I get maybe 50 frames at the highest resolution.
What release do you use?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Huit Films on July 20, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
How are you able to get 134 frames? No matter what settings and releases I try, I get maybe 50 frames at the highest resolution.
What release do you use?

What SD card do you use?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ckrook on July 20, 2013, 04:35:21 PM
What SD card do you use?

Sandisk extreme 45mb/s
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Britney T on July 21, 2013, 04:30:13 AM
i get almost 1000 frames in 1280x544 on my 60d, sandisk 95mbps, why dont u guys use this resolution more. No issues except a few pink pixels hardly noticeable.

Still havnt settled on a most effective workflow 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on July 21, 2013, 05:27:55 AM
i get almost 1000 frames in 1280x544 on my 60d, sandisk 95mbps, why dont u guys use this resolution more. No issues except a few pink pixels hardly noticeable.

Still havnt settled on a most effective workflow

I get something in that neighborhood - what do you have the canon video settings at?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 21, 2013, 10:57:06 AM
Remember always turn of Global Draw, switch Stills mode to s3 (jpg not raw), disable audio. I'm having 0 issues with pink frames at 1728 2.35.

i get almost 1000 frames in 1280x544 on my 60d, sandisk 95mbps, why dont u guys use this resolution more. No issues except a few pink pixels hardly noticeable.

Still havnt settled on a most effective workflow 
I want to use full sensor on wide angle lenses.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Huit Films on July 21, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
Sandisk extreme 45mb/s

I had this one, and yes, I couldn't have more than 50 frames at the maximum resolution.
I sent it back to Amazon and bought this one instead: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006YAOPLK/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It is perfect. Don't waste money in a 95 Mb/s
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on July 21, 2013, 03:05:11 PM
It is perfect. Don't waste money in a 95 Mb/s
Could you be a bit more speciffic? How many more frames at what resolution compared to what?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Audionut on July 22, 2013, 02:46:56 AM
This is a discussion forum.  If you don't like the current discussion, please report the post or go and enjoy the sunshine.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: v8rrc on July 22, 2013, 10:01:22 AM
Seeing as everyone seems to be getting very different results, I decided to make a spreadsheet were all of us can list settings, how many frames we're getting etc. and hopefully find out what works best.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At2V-pYjlrGEdEZCR0pRQy1aTHVLcjBFMEplUEpYWlE&usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At2V-pYjlrGEdEZCR0pRQy1aTHVLcjBFMEplUEpYWlE&usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: YKG on July 23, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
Hi ! Here my first test with the raw rec mode on a 60D !

https://vimeo.com/70874588 (https://vimeo.com/70874588)


Enjoy guys ;)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: martareis on July 23, 2013, 10:32:27 PM
Any one trying DaVinci to colour correct 60D Raw dng files?

Last workflow I've tried was Hunter H. Richards.


I get pretty good results with ACR but I cannot say the same about DaVinci Resolve.

Can any one report good results using 60D Raw + DaVinci?



Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: eclubb87 on July 24, 2013, 04:51:34 AM
Can anyone give Install directions? I already have ML 2.3 installed. Thanks guys  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 24, 2013, 01:55:19 PM
Can anyone give Install directions? I already have ML 2.3 installed. Thanks guys  :)

Look at Page 1 of this thread!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 24, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
Any one trying DaVinci to colour correct 60D Raw dng files?

Last workflow I've tried was Hunter H. Richards.


I get pretty good results with ACR but I cannot say the same about DaVinci Resolve.

Can any one report good results using 60D Raw + DaVinci?

I can report good results with Davinci.

raw -> RawMagic (cinema dng) -> Davinci (BMD film color space) -> Apply Hook's LUT (or any other lut) and tweak.

The only problems I run in to are bad/dead/hot pixels. lv_af_raw fixes this but this is not recommended as it's an edge detection filter and there are some artifacts. ACR removes the bad pixels, Davinci does not. So, if there were a way to remove the dead pixels for davinci it would be a god-send!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 24, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
Hi ! Here my first test with the raw rec mode on a 60D !

https://vimeo.com/70874588 (https://vimeo.com/70874588)


Enjoy guys ;)

Looks great! What is your workflow? ACR?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: YKG on July 24, 2013, 03:34:16 PM
Looks great! What is your workflow? ACR?

Thanks iamoui ! My workflow is :
Raw > RawMagic > ACR > After effects to make Apple prores 422 HQ > And FCP 7 for the edit.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on July 24, 2013, 04:36:20 PM
http://vimeo.com/70936957 (http://vimeo.com/70936957) :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hunter5117 on July 25, 2013, 04:25:38 PM
Somewhat NOOB question. I have been having fun playing with RAW video on my 60D, but the workflow and low res is not for me for regular shooting. So, I would like to be able to shoot normal most of the time but have RAW capability when I want it.

So my question is, using the most recent version of the 60D raw files that automatically disables global draw when shooting raw, if I reboot my camera with modules turned off, and enable audio, is my camera then shooting normal ML video and audio? Or do I need to have separate SD cards set up with the 2 different versions?

I have tested using the reboot without modules and it seems to work as expected but thought I best check with the experts.

FYI, I am using the 2.3 stable version of ML, not the nightly builds, with the 60D raw autoexec and modules added.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on July 25, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
You can still load the modules; just turn off RAW video
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hunter5117 on July 25, 2013, 06:44:39 PM
You can still load the modules; just turn off RAW video

Ok thanks, guess I should have guessed it was that simple but went right over my head.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Cyriel Van Steen on July 25, 2013, 07:08:09 PM
 I can put it from a raw file to a dng
 but the DNG file is resolution 0x0
 so CAMERA RAW in after effects can't open it. Can somebody help me out?
Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on July 25, 2013, 07:27:42 PM
I can put it from a raw file to a dng
 but the DNG file is resolution 0x0
 so CAMERA RAW in after effects can't open it. Can somebody help me out?
Thanks

Maybe try here - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0

What are you using to convert the RAW file?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 25, 2013, 10:29:19 PM
Im curious is update 10 being compiled hourly like update 9? I'm trying to figure out whether to update using the newest hourly of update 9 or keep update 10. I think in update 9 I was getting  960 x 544 where update 10 its 960 x 540 i think. I know the tiniest adjustments in resolution helps with more frames. Just trying to figure out which build is the best to test and run with right now.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on July 26, 2013, 01:06:54 AM
About a month ago Bioskop Inc. was saying that he A1ex was hoping that there might be another 128mb of buffer memory that could be allocated. I have been following along the entire thread but it seems like there has been no news on this front for a while.

Does anyone know if it looks likely that more buffer memory is going to be leveraged in the future? Every bit is precious in this case :)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on July 26, 2013, 11:39:51 AM
Does anyone know if it looks likely that more buffer memory is going to be leveraged in the future? Every bit is precious in this case :)

I've heard nothing, but when looking at the screen when recording i do often see unused mb/s & empty buffer blocks that, in theory, could be used but the recording stops.

The problem is really about the development of the 5D3 over every other model (which is understandable) & i don't think the developers actually have a 60D. It would be v.welcome to squeeze out more, but if you look at the other models in our category (minus the 50D), then we really are getting great results.

As far as quality is concerned, i have found that 1280x... is absolutely fine for upscaling, but you need to manually follow the ETTR rule (not the module for photos) in order to reduce sensor noise. And you've got to remember that the old H264 was absolutely shit compared to most RAW resolutions upscaled. Further to this, RAW is only going to be useful for fictional story telling & not Doc style run'n'gun.

I've just shot a music video [experiment] for a friend using 13sec bursts & that was just about long enough. However, you still have to factor in Moire/Aliasing, as its still there in abundance & i think it shows up more than it did with the H264!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on July 26, 2013, 07:02:16 PM
I have been meaning to get around trying out the RAW video on my 60Da. Thanks to sequestration I don't "have" to work today, so I downloaded the latest nightly and fired it up. My results seem pretty inline with what everyone else has been getting from what I've read on this thread:

1728x972 - 134 frames @24fps
1280x720 - 361 frames @24fps
960x540 - 1135 frames @24fps

(Lexar Platinum II 32 GB 200x class 10)

I'll have to say the 720p is stunning and 361 frames is *almost* useable, certainly blows 1080p H.264 out of the water.

I was just curious so I tried out 60fps, which did not work at all, almost every frame was screwed up. I'm guessing that no one has really messed with 60fps, just trying to get the max out of 24fps, and understandably so.

The workflow was also way easier than I expected. I used RAWMagic to convert to CinemaDNG and then imported the DNGs directly into After Effects. That's pretty much only one extra step than my typical workflow.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 27, 2013, 11:22:06 AM
UPDATE #11:
Compiled 27-07-2013
- raw_rec, ettr, fileman, picview
- autoexpo module (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0)
- lv_af_raw in raw_rec menu
- global draw enable/disable in raw_rec menu
- black bars enable/disable

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 27, 2013, 03:18:31 PM
UPDATE #11:
Compiled 27-07-2013
Thanks for the build! 
I've tried this build with DSLR controller for Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.dslrcontroller
RAW rec stops after 25 frames captured. Error messages about the memory.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 27, 2013, 04:15:57 PM
It worked with previous builds ?

Thanks for the build! 
I've tried this build with DSLR controller for Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.dslrcontroller
RAW rec stops after 25 frames captured. Error messages about the memory.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 27, 2013, 05:03:12 PM
It worked with previous builds ?

I didn't try raw before. But having to output video feed to the USB port at the same time recording raw video, too much work for the poor 60D.

I used the app with my Nexus 7 tablet for h264 as external monitor (Peaking included). The app could be used as server/client. A setup like this.
Eos Camera >> USB OTG >> Smartphone with OTG support set as Server >> Wifi Hotspot created by the smartphone >>Wifii >> Tablet/Smartphone conected to the same wifi as client within the app. Cheap Wireless Monitor for Stills/h264



Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on July 28, 2013, 11:57:33 AM
raw-rec reserves all available memory and probably there is no memory available for this usb connection.. I tested this tool few months ago on my htc one x+ and it's a nice feature but unfortunately there is no version for ipad ;)

I didn't try raw before. But having to output video feed to the USB port at the same time recording raw video, too much work for the poor 60D.

I used the app with my Nexus 7 tablet for h264 as external monitor (Peaking included). The app could be used as server/client. A setup like this.
Eos Camera >> USB OTG >> Smartphone with OTG support set as Server >> Wifi Hotspot created by the smartphone >>Wifii >> Tablet/Smartphone conected to the same wifi as client within the app. Cheap Wireless Monitor for Stills/h264
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: eclubb87 on July 29, 2013, 12:34:51 AM
Anyone have a idea how to get the pink pixels out? I cant even use Raw they are everywhere.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 29, 2013, 03:37:05 AM
Anyone have a idea how to get the pink pixels out? I cant even use Raw they are everywhere.

you mean the tiny dead/hot pixels? Only way to get rid of them is to use ACR in your post workflow, which will remove them. Or use lv_af_raw from marekk's recent builds. lv_af_raw is an edge detection filter that gets rid of dead/hot pixels but at the cost of some artifacts.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: eclubb87 on July 29, 2013, 04:23:17 AM
Dont think its that. Its Pink Pixels in only certain things. Here is the Info...
Im shooting 1280 x 480 I get about 2000 frames on my Scandisk Extreme Pro 95mb's
I have Global Draw=off ...   lv_af_raw=on .... FPS= 24fps ... Sound Disabled and jpeg = S3
I Still get a large number of Pink frames and lv_af_raw even when on doesnt seem to work all the time.
I have been getting these Pink Pixels all over but not Like hot/Dead pixel ...well maybe it is any help would be appreciated! Thanks guys

Workflow. Camera to rawMagic then Resolve and Out


it all on the right side in the bushes and bench... If you open the image up you can see it better
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs22.postimg.org%2F42qfhjekx%2FScreen_Shot_2013_07_28_at_3_24_10_PM.png&hash=7af8113c01d0fb1bd2192e45931e0eb0) (http://postimg.org/image/67asimg7h/full/)
screen capture software (http://postimage.org/app.php)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on July 29, 2013, 11:40:57 AM
Workflow. Camera to rawMagic then Resolve and Out
I was getting the same results with Davinci Resolve, (without lv_af_raw). With Camera RAW (AE),

Try this frame with Camera RAW: https://app.box.com/s/ah4dzr53700foxyihp6 With Resolve (posted early), it's a mess of bad pixeles. Useless.  Shot at 1728 2.35
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ckrook on July 29, 2013, 02:28:26 PM
UPDATE #11:
Compiled 27-07-2013
- raw_rec, ettr, fileman, picview
- autoexpo module (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0)
- lv_af_raw in raw_rec menu
- global draw enable/disable in raw_rec menu
- black bars enable/disable

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing

Good work! What version of ML should I merge this with?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: WiFabio on July 29, 2013, 04:57:14 PM
I have a suggestion...

I love to use Magic Lantern as a FPS Override Time Lapse.
So I tested Raw Video with override and it work with NO STOP when I shoot from 1fps to 7 fps, 37s of video with 9fps (at 1728x972).
Why don't you enable 1080p video with the override option enabled? I think its a good value to add RAW Override Video "Time Lapse" because of the quality gained with it!

Thanks, waiting for your opinions..

PS: all highlight are violet if I "record the sky light"...its not like pink pixel, all the cloud are violet. Any suggestion? I use raw2dng to convert..

Fabio P.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 29, 2013, 04:58:03 PM
Dont think its that. Its Pink Pixels in only certain things. Here is the Info...
Im shooting 1280 x 480 I get about 2000 frames on my Scandisk Extreme Pro 95mb's
I have Global Draw=off ...   lv_af_raw=on .... FPS= 24fps ... Sound Disabled and jpeg = S3
I Still get a large number of Pink frames and lv_af_raw even when on doesnt seem to work all the time.
I have been getting these Pink Pixels all over but not Like hot/Dead pixel ...well maybe it is any help would be appreciated! Thanks guys

Workflow. Camera to rawMagic then Resolve and Out


it all on the right side in the bushes and bench... If you open the image up you can see it better
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs22.postimg.org%2F42qfhjekx%2FScreen_Shot_2013_07_28_at_3_24_10_PM.png&hash=7af8113c01d0fb1bd2192e45931e0eb0) (http://postimg.org/image/67asimg7h/full/)
screen capture software (http://postimage.org/app.php)

I haven't noticed any magenta fringing like that in any of my footage so I don't know how to help with that.

I have noticed with lv_af_raw, however, that it says it's "on" but it doesn't stay "on" when I turn my camera off then back on. I always turn lv_af_raw "off" then back on again just to be safe because I've noticed dead/hot pixels when rebooting my camera and lv_af_raw is "on."
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Yuppa on July 29, 2013, 05:02:22 PM
I was getting the same results with Davinci Resolve, (without lv_af_raw). With Camera RAW (AE),

Try this frame with Camera RAW: https://app.box.com/s/ah4dzr53700foxyihp6 With Resolve (posted early), it's a mess of bad pixeles. Useless.  Shot at 1728 2.35

Personally, Davinci Lite on a PC (for those using one) is FUBAR.  It gave me all sorts of hot pixilated effects--totally unusable.  Me: raw2dng, Lightroom 5 (rendered out as Jpgs to keep the file size down), Movie Studio 12 = no hot pixels at all.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 29, 2013, 07:50:49 PM
Dont think its that. Its Pink Pixels in only certain things. Here is the Info...
Im shooting 1280 x 480 I get about 2000 frames on my Scandisk Extreme Pro 95mb's
I have Global Draw=off ...   lv_af_raw=on .... FPS= 24fps ... Sound Disabled and jpeg = S3
I Still get a large number of Pink frames and lv_af_raw even when on doesnt seem to work all the time.
I have been getting these Pink Pixels all over but not Like hot/Dead pixel ...well maybe it is any help would be appreciated! Thanks guys

Workflow. Camera to rawMagic then Resolve and Out


it all on the right side in the bushes and bench... If you open the image up you can see it better
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs22.postimg.org%2F42qfhjekx%2FScreen_Shot_2013_07_28_at_3_24_10_PM.png&hash=7af8113c01d0fb1bd2192e45931e0eb0) (http://postimg.org/image/67asimg7h/full/)
screen capture software (http://postimage.org/app.php)

could it just be moire or aliasing?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 29, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
I'm still getting random corrupt/pink frames with update 10. Global Draw OFF, Black Bars, lf_af_raw ON See example: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOUGR1RjltSVMwUmc/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOUGR1RjltSVMwUmc/edit?usp=sharing)

RAWMagic -> Resolve -> BMD Film only for this clip.

I will try the new update and see how it goes!

I am getting great results otherwise (aside for the moire and aliasing, which I can sometimes control with shallow depth of field.)

These are RAWMagic -> Resolve -> BMD Film -> Hook's LUT -> minor adjustments

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOcjYtQnJLOWtsaFk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOcjYtQnJLOWtsaFk/edit?usp=sharing)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTON2tJQU5ybG5qX2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTON2tJQU5ybG5qX2s/edit?usp=sharing)

I'll also add that the FPS show 23.97 in RAWMagic, as that's what I'm shooting, but every so often there will be a random 29.97 FPS. Not exactly sure why as I never change my FPS in camera.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTORmpMOGtRY1hMUU0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTORmpMOGtRY1hMUU0/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Graham Milne on July 29, 2013, 10:24:59 PM
I've been getting good (not perfect) moire correction using Lightroom adjustment brush loaded with Moire at 100 with 100% flow and density.

Graham
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: eclubb87 on July 31, 2013, 03:16:48 AM
Alright I have abandoned the resolve raw workflow but now I'm using ACR and I still have some dead pixels!!!! Any idea it's sometimes black and sometimes red. I will post a picture later anyone else having this issue? THis is also a issue i am having! this is a screen shot out of ACR (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs10.postimg.org%2F5qc1cgfm1%2FScreen_Shot_2013_07_30_at_7_00_47_PM.png&hash=c8e879ad960f74bf7cc0e42acb7af3ec) (http://postimage.org/)
image hosting (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Dark-Master on July 31, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
Got 396 frames @1280x720 using these...

magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Jul30.60D.550D.600D.50D.500D.5D2.1100D.zip
&
ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-07-30_08-00.zip

and

SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s 32GB
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on July 31, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
I'm still getting random corrupt/pink frames with update 10. Global Draw OFF, Black Bars, lf_af_raw ON See example: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOUGR1RjltSVMwUmc/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOUGR1RjltSVMwUmc/edit?usp=sharing)

RAWMagic -> Resolve -> BMD Film only for this clip.

I will try the new update and see how it goes!

I am getting great results otherwise (aside for the moire and aliasing, which I can sometimes control with shallow depth of field.)

These are RAWMagic -> Resolve -> BMD Film -> Hook's LUT -> minor adjustments

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOcjYtQnJLOWtsaFk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOcjYtQnJLOWtsaFk/edit?usp=sharing)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTON2tJQU5ybG5qX2s/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTON2tJQU5ybG5qX2s/edit?usp=sharing)

I'll also add that the FPS show 23.97 in RAWMagic, as that's what I'm shooting, but every so often there will be a random 29.97 FPS. Not exactly sure why as I never change my FPS in camera.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTORmpMOGtRY1hMUU0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTORmpMOGtRY1hMUU0/edit?usp=sharing)

Question what are you encoding with for youtube and the bit rate stuff like that? I swear youtube compresses the hell out my images. I've tried a bunch of different settings yours looks pretty good though.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bernardo Segura on July 31, 2013, 10:07:24 PM
Do you guys know if the video crop mode is working on 60D. I saw some videos of 5dm3 and 50D and its stunning (
)

I need a camera for a macro documentary, so if the 60D allows that, its going to be perfect for me!

Thanks you very much!!, it's hard to find information for such an early depelopment
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on July 31, 2013, 10:49:00 PM
Question what are you encoding with for youtube and the bit rate stuff like that? I swear youtube compresses the hell out my images. I've tried a bunch of different settings yours looks pretty good though.

I exported from resolve as ProRes 422 HQ then uploaded to Google Drive. That's it.

Do you guys know if the video crop mode is working on 60D. I saw some videos of 5dm3 and 50D and its stunning (
)

I need a camera for a macro documentary, so if the 60D allows that, its going to be perfect for me!

Thanks you very much!!, it's hard to find information for such an early depelopment

I haven't gotten crop mode to work. The screen freezes whilst recording then all of the frames are screwed up.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Dark-Master on August 01, 2013, 07:05:12 AM
Got 396 frames @1280x720 using these...

magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Jul30.60D.550D.600D.50D.500D.5D2.1100D.zip
&
ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-07-30_08-00.zip

and

SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s 32GB

Now very laggy when zoomed using zoom button, only when recording.

I was able to record with zoom button(is this called cropped?).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on August 03, 2013, 12:27:28 AM
hi Marekk,
is it possible to integrate the changes from update 11 into the unified tree, because I like the black frame and lv_af switch in the raw menu but it doesn't exist in the unified ML Nightly 60D builds.
Thank you,
JK
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: keikun007 on August 03, 2013, 12:39:44 AM
can someone help me to choose a good sdcard for raw recording?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on August 03, 2013, 12:47:14 AM
can someone help me to choose a good sdcard for raw recording?

You can do it yourself by reading the information available to you in this forum.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=40.0

And you'll also find, once you do some more research that the 60D is limited by it's own buffer to 21.3mb/s , therefore a fast card isn't needed.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: keikun007 on August 03, 2013, 01:18:25 AM
You can do it yourself by reading the information available to you in this forum.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=40.0

And you'll also find, once you do some more research that the 60D is limited by it's own buffer to 21.3mb/s , therefore a fast card isn't needed.

I asked here cause i saw someone commenting about bad behavior of sandisk with the 60d raw footage. i know the limitation of the 60d but it doesn't change the fact that some cards behave better than others, thus my request for some indication in a good direction specifically for this model.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on August 03, 2013, 01:33:07 AM
I asked here cause i saw someone commenting about bad behavior of sandisk with the 60d raw footage. i know the limitation of the 60d but it doesn't change the fact that some cards behave better than others, thus my request for some indication in a good direction specifically for this model.

Well that's a different question isn't it? To answer that I'd say. From my experience the Sandisk 95Mb/s pro cards do give consistent 21.3 Mb/s on the 60D where as the Sandisk 45Mb/s top out at 20.9Mb/s I know it's not much but every little bit counts. As far as any other manufacturer, I don't have any experience with hence, I don't know.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on August 03, 2013, 08:08:57 AM
hi Marekk,
is it possible to integrate the changes from update 11 into the unified tree, because I like the black frame and lv_af switch in the raw menu but it doesn't exist in the unified ML Nightly 60D builds.
Thank you,
JK
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on August 03, 2013, 05:20:27 PM
Unified tree has no special raw_rec module for 60D, it's a modules used by all cameras...

hi Marekk,
is it possible to integrate the changes from update 11 into the unified tree, because I like the black frame and lv_af switch in the raw menu but it doesn't exist in the unified ML Nightly 60D builds.
Thank you,
JK
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Jack on August 04, 2013, 01:05:07 AM
Would anyone mind telling me what bit depth is the 60D raw, and also what are the recommended settings in FPS override (never mind this, found out that exact fps seems better). thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: coopybook on August 04, 2013, 03:21:35 AM
I want to start by giving a huge thanks to everyone involved with Magic Lantern and this forum. It's impressing to see the tool progress.

I shot some footage that looks like it's sped up after post-processing it. It gives the impression that it was recorded in another, lower frame rate than 25, when looking at it after it's been post-processed. I did not have FPS override to ON in magic lantern, could this have affected it?

I used the june 3rd-version with 5D MKIII. Camera settings i Canons menu set to PAL and video set to 1080p 25fps ALL-I.

In post when converting to dng's with raw2dng.app, it says that it was shot with 25 fps. That's problably just camera metadata though? I tried the workflow with both After Effects and using Quicktime 7 via Photoshop. When importing the image sequence inside After Effects it came in as 30 fps. I interpreted the image sequence from 30 to 25 and created a comp from that. That's when I get that sped up look. Anyone else experienced this problem?

Hello!
I have the same problem on Canon 60D. Does anyone found solution?
I have tried all possible varieties, changes frame rates, NTSC,PAL, resolution, - results always the same.
Becouse of this problem i can't get together video and external recorded sound. That is realy bad!
If anyone have any ideas how to fix it, please share!!!
Thank You!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on August 04, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
I've been doing some tests and such regarding the random corrupt frames with pink errors. I don't know if anyone else is experiencing the phenomenon but, what I've discovered is that the june 27, nightly build doesn't have this behavior. I've been keeping a pretty consistent catalog of raw nightly builds for 60d for the last 2 months or so and have noticed these corrupt frames come up every now and again in previous builds and not at all in others. In the latest builds, including update 11 and nightly builds of late the pink frames are pretty persistent. In the june 27 nightly build. 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/Tr-k0D5_Oq/ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-27_18-30.zip doesn't exhibit the phenomena.
I am no programmer nor do I know anything but to follow directions and do research when it comes to this stuff. But, If someone can take this info and do what you do to determine what's changed. As for the hot pixels, if you use Lightroom or PS to process your DNG's to tiff files ACR will remove them. But, as with the pink frames, even the amount of dead pixels has increased with the latest builds.
As for the frame rate issue. I might suggest making yourself a new ML card. Start with the stable release and build up.
I usually use http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/ to get the latest goods and then put the appropriate raw auto exec.bin and modules folder from the raw nightly build.

Update: I took my own advice and rebuilt myself a fresh ML and put the 11th update files: 60d_111.sym and raw_rec.mo into the modules folder along with that autoexec.bin from update 11 onto the card and ran a test. and. no pinky frames hooray.
 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on August 04, 2013, 03:20:47 PM
Last week I shot a lot of movies and I noticed every movie has 1-2 pink frames.. I disabled global draw, enabled 24fps but it didn't change anything. Movies shot with 1fps doesn't have pink frames.

... so now with update 11 you don't have pink frames ?

I've been doing some tests and such regarding the random corrupt frames with pink errors. I don't know if anyone else is experiencing the phenomenon but, what I've discovered is that the june 27, nightly build doesn't have this behavior. I've been keeping a pretty consistent catalog of raw nightly builds for 60d for the last 2 months or so and have noticed these corrupt frames come up every now and again in previous builds and not at all in others. In the latest builds, including update 11 and nightly builds of late the pink frames are pretty persistent. In the june 27 nightly build. 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kitzbmanifb6sf/Tr-k0D5_Oq/ML-RAW-60D-hourly_2013-06-27_18-30.zip doesn't exhibit the phenomena.
I am no programmer nor do I know anything but to follow directions and do research when it comes to this stuff. But, If someone can take this info and do what you do to determine what's changed. As for the hot pixels, if you use Lightroom or PS to process your DNG's to tiff files ACR will remove them. But, as with the pink frames, even the amount of dead pixels has increased with the latest builds.
As for the frame rate issue. I might suggest making yourself a new ML card. Start with the stable release and build up.
I usually use http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/ to get the latest goods and then put the appropriate raw auto exec.bin and modules folder from the raw nightly build.

Update: I took my own advice and rebuilt myself a fresh ML and put the 11th update files: 60d_111.sym and raw_rec.mo into the modules folder along with that autoexec.bin from update 11 onto the card and ran a test. and. no pinky frames hooray.
 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on August 04, 2013, 05:03:30 PM
Wait a second... did they ported that "sensor crop" function from 600D to 60D? Can you shoot with the 3x zoom on a 60D?! Anyone? I just saw a few comments about it.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on August 05, 2013, 10:38:42 AM
My 60D raw video shot last week in Prague (Czech Republic).
1600x680 scaled to 1920x816


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: John Kesl on August 05, 2013, 07:05:37 PM
Hi,
About the pink frame phenomenon that I was experiencing. What I did is, I took a fresh copy of ML2.3 Unified Stable release. added Next ML from nanomod but I keep original PDFs and all. then I add update 11. I do this on a fresh 3x format card. 1x in camera remove ML. then format in disk utility to mac os extended, then put it back in the camera and format low level once more. Then I put the new ML files. I am not getting any pink frames. I am shooting 12 fps exact, 1600@ 2.35:1. Camera is 60D , nikon lens, Extreme pro 95Mb/s card, S2 jpeg. 1920x1080 24fps is camera settings. @ 400 iso and 800 iso. I roll for 1.4gb. Before I wold get pink frame within 40 frames and then every 100 or so. Now I don't see it. So, try, make a new card with the ML 2.3, Next 60D and Update 11. remember to remove ML and reinstall with the new fresh stuff on your card. ( I know I am lazy and I wasn't updating NEXT and NIghtly 60d or Updates from the front of the post, probably loose bits messing around on a fragmented card, remember, copying your files from drive to drive is the same as defrag.)

Marekk mluvite cesky? Ste cech? ja taky.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - in Prague !!!
Post by: Haliburton on August 05, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
My 60D raw video shot last week in Prague (Czech Republic).
1600x680 scaled to 1920x816

Lovely work, Marekk!

I was looking for moire; seen at 1:42 in distant buildings, 2:18 seam in wall over seated guitarist, but not in overhead wires at 0:12.

Did you do anything to reduce aliasing?

What did you use for upscaling to 1920 wide?

I also especially appreciated the punctuation of the piano note with the changing traffic light at 3:49.

In cases where you have no choice but to hand-hold camera without even a monopod, you may want to consider making a string tripod:
https://startpage.com/do/search?q=%22string+tripod%22

I also especially like your time lapse sequences. I love that we can shoot at the full raw resolution possible on our cameras, with no card speed bottleneck, and without piling up wear-and-tear on the cameras with thousands of shutter actuations.

What frames per second did you use?

I shoot 0.214 fps to 6 fps at 1728x1152, which gives me some flexibility for slow tilt motions in post, to fit shorter aspect ratios.

Also, kudos in turning this project around so fast!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - overcoming the 20 MB/s card bottleneck
Post by: Haliburton on August 05, 2013, 08:43:43 PM
It has been written that there’s Canon code for outputting over USB instead of to the card.

Here’s a way that offers up to a theoretical 80 MB/s: even if it’s real-world only 50 or 60 MB/s, it’s a vast improvement over the 60D’s poky SD card slot:

Excuse me! Is this DIY project useful for this?

http://www.davidhunt.ie/?p=2641

It's basically a raspberry pi which communicates with the camera via USB.. and can download the material on realtime to a hard drive.. I don't know if the USB speeds are that high.. but I think it's an interesting project.. the author managed to do lots of stuff with it.. maybe even could open a wide range of possibilites for magic lantern! (i'm just wondering lol)..
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - overcoming the 20 MB/s card bottleneck
Post by: tool on August 05, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
It has been written that there’s Canon code for outputting over USB instead of to the card.

Here’s a way that offers up to a theoretical 80 MB/s: even if it’s real-world only 50 or 60 MB/s, it’s a vast improvement over the 60D’s poky SD card slot:
Real world not even close to 40mb/s. I used to test video recording on 450D with this utility : http://sourceforge.net/projects/eos-movrec/
Just recorded the LiveView feed on the computer.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - in Prague !!!
Post by: marekk on August 06, 2013, 04:02:03 PM
Video was upscaled using AE. I shot 24fps and 1fps without any anti-aliasing filter.

Lovely work, Marekk!

I was looking for moire; seen at 1:42 in distant buildings, 2:18 seam in wall over seated guitarist, but not in overhead wires at 0:12.

Did you do anything to reduce aliasing?

What did you use for upscaling to 1920 wide?

I also especially appreciated the punctuation of the piano note with the changing traffic light at 3:49.

In cases where you have no choice but to hand-hold camera without even a monopod, you may want to consider making a string tripod:
https://startpage.com/do/search?q=%22string+tripod%22

I also especially like your time lapse sequences. I love that we can shoot at the full raw resolution possible on our cameras, with no card speed bottleneck, and without piling up wear-and-tear on the cameras with thousands of shutter actuations.

What frames per second did you use?

I shoot 0.214 fps to 6 fps at 1728x1152, which gives me some flexibility for slow tilt motions in post, to fit shorter aspect ratios.

Also, kudos in turning this project around so fast!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on August 06, 2013, 07:55:02 PM
Nie, nie mowie po czesku :)

.. and next raw video I'm going to shot on the top of Kilimanjaro :)

Marekk mluvite cesky? Ste cech? ja taky.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Aeryk on August 07, 2013, 12:51:00 AM
Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough but I must ask, is there an equivalent to RawMagic for windows?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on August 07, 2013, 05:28:35 PM
So i tried out shooting in the 5X crop at 2240x954 and 2240x1080. Every other time i've tried to record raw in 5X crop the live view screen would be grayscale and laggy. I would hit record and the live view would freeze. After checking the footage, the frames would be all messed up.
 
Yesterday, however, I was able to record in 5X mode using Marekk's v2.3.NEXT.2013Jul27.60D111. Once I hit record the live view didn't freeze and I was able to view what I was filming. Looking back at the footage, apparently it didn't record with a 5X crop, but at the actual 28mm (that's the lens I was using). However, the live view screen was in 5x. Now, concerning the footage, I guess when recording in 5X the raw data is taken from a sensor crop and not line skipping? There's usually a lot of aliasing in fine details but there doesn't seem to be any here?.. Also a lot of pink frames..

RAWMagic -> Resolve -> Hooks LUT for one and TealOrange LUT (http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?4929-NEW-Lut-TealOrange (http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?4929-NEW-Lut-TealOrange)) for the other -> other minor adjustments -> 1920x1080 ProRes 422 HQ

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOTkY0ZGlmQUJLNEU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOTkY0ZGlmQUJLNEU/edit?usp=sharing)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOaWZCZmtlTDFVVmM/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOaWZCZmtlTDFVVmM/edit?usp=sharing)

I'm assuming because of the limited buffer speed, etc. this won't ever be 100% reliable?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on August 07, 2013, 07:08:21 PM
Little comparison of H.264 vs Magic Lantern RAW ;)

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on August 07, 2013, 07:39:44 PM
Hello!
I have the same problem on Canon 60D. Does anyone found solution?
I have tried all possible varieties, changes frame rates, NTSC,PAL, resolution, - results always the same.
Becouse of this problem i can't get together video and external recorded sound. That is realy bad!
If anyone have any ideas how to fix it, please share!!!
Thank You!
Regarding the 24 fps problem:

Hi guys I had the same problem with my 60D raw videos but I found the fix:

First: make sure you do have framerate override on and set to 23.98 or 24fps just to eliminate any in-camera issues.

Second: It took me a while to realize that the problem was with a default setting in after effects. Unless you tell it not to, AE will interpret all imported files as 30fps (which causes the speed up to 24fps material). To fix, right click on your footage in the project bin and choose: Interpret footage > main. Then input the correct framerate depending on what you sent your override at. VOILA

Here is a visual example that I found:
the setting:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/JehOz.png

the dialog window:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/z7Yy0.png
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: coopybook on August 10, 2013, 01:02:57 PM
Regarding the 24 fps problem:

Hi guys I had the same problem with my 60D raw videos but I found the fix:

First: make sure you do have framerate override on and set to 23.98 or 24fps just to eliminate any in-camera issues.

Second: It took me a while to realize that the problem was with a default setting in after effects. Unless you tell it not to, AE will interpret all imported files as 30fps (which causes the speed up to 24fps material). To fix, right click on your footage in the project bin and choose: Interpret footage > main. Then input the correct framerate depending on what you sent your override at. VOILA

Here is a visual example that I found:
the setting:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/JehOz.png

the dialog window:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/z7Yy0.png

This is work! Thank you so much! I thought i will never find solution.
Thank you payne again, and all ML team for this opportunity to shoot RAW!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bjacklee on August 10, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
What is our chance of getting a dual iso features? :-\ even just for photos would be very cool.. :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on August 12, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
What is our chance of getting a dual iso features? :-\ even just for photos would be very cool.. :)
Dual iso, it's hardware related, dual amp only on 5DmarkIII and 7D. Read the PDF alex made.



By mistake I ruined my ML installation I had updating with builds posted here. (Never ever change modes on Dial while is formating the SD card!).

So I set up again with update 11 without trying.

Shooting sports without clouds, direct sun light and just 5-7 seconds burst and lots of people it's challenging.

I just converted everything with RawMagic.

Fast checking, I had Pink frames ... (I think I shoot with LV_RAW_AF on ). I need further testing again. Just shooting raw for fun.


I don't like Shooting RAW stills and RAW video, I found out couple of shots later that I was shooting jpg s2. I was so shure I changed that value...

Tomorrow I'll post some examples. 


Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bjacklee on August 12, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
Dual iso, it's hardware related, dual amp only on 5DmarkIII and 7D. Read the PDF alex made.

Ohh I see... thanks for the info.. :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mcnys on August 12, 2013, 01:56:52 PM
today i'm going to try record some raw video on 60d, so i need some information...

i will use my fastest card that i have for this, will install ml on it (which version is best for 60d raw at the moment?).
i will set my camera to s3, global draw off, and choose resolution (which one is the best?), i will then expose my image slightly to the right (ettr)...and that should do it?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on August 12, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
To try,more and more
then you`ll find it
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on August 13, 2013, 11:03:37 PM
Hey guys,

So I've been following the development of raw video on the 60D for quite a while now. It looks like things are really starting to look good!

I was just wondering (and I hope this is the right place) how close we are to seeing an official stable release of raw video for the 60D? I realise that it takes a lot of time to perfect something like this.

Thanks, and keep up the awesome work you are all doing!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on August 14, 2013, 12:53:04 AM
Pink frames ruined many shots:
https://app.box.com/s/k1xm5g6w2unserhygqrr

Direct Sunlight and no IS.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on August 14, 2013, 01:37:48 AM
Pink frames ruined many shots:
https://app.box.com/s/k1xm5g6w2unserhygqrr

Direct Sunlight and no IS.

Yep, I've been getting more random pink frames than with earlier builds, too...

Other than that (and minus the shake) the footage looks great! What lens were you using? Any filtration? Raw settings? What was your post workflow?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on August 14, 2013, 01:39:35 AM
Hey guys,

So I've been following the development of raw video on the 60D for quite a while now. It looks like things are really starting to look good!

I was just wondering (and I hope this is the right place) how close we are to seeing an official stable release of raw video for the 60D? I realise that it takes a lot of time to perfect something like this.

Thanks, and keep up the awesome work you are all doing!

What do you mean by "really starting to look good?"

I wouldn't get your hopes up for a stable release of the 60D any time soon. It has a hardware limitation of 20.6 MB/s (or something like that) so full HD recording is not possible.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on August 14, 2013, 02:33:37 AM
ok so I dont understand how you change the resolution of the frame... all I get is 69 frames(maybe its my card). I downloaded a nightly build from a month ago and the raw module. Did I download the wrong one?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on August 14, 2013, 07:46:42 PM
Yep, I've been getting more random pink frames than with earlier builds, too...

Other than that (and minus the shake) the footage looks great! What lens were you using? Any filtration? Raw settings? What was your post workflow?

Shot above heads with Manfrotto 190XPROB + Triopo B3 ballhead, with the 3 legs and central column extended and acting like a monopod (3 legs bad decission, one leg would be better)  Canon 60D + Canon 70-200 F4L Without filters (no UV, nothing, bare lanse), lense hood on, Facing sun. ISO 100 (I think), f11, shutter 1/1000 25fps. I'm not used to shoot fast action on video mode, later at iso 100 and 1/50 too much blur for motocross freestyle.

Workflow --- RawMagic -- AfterEffects-- ProRes 4.2.2 ---> HandBrake 20mbit x264. I'm used to edit raw on Lightroom, don't like Camera raw. Just a few corrections at camera raw, shadows highlighs and contrast.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on August 14, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
What do you mean by "really starting to look good?"

I wouldn't get your hopes up for a stable release of the 60D any time soon. It has a hardware limitation of 20.6 MB/s (or something like that) so full HD recording is not possible.

I just mean that the resolutions people are squeezing out are good enough to work with. Each little improvement is nice to see.

I'm aware that we'll not get full HD recording, but even lower resoultions, when up-scaled, are far better than H.264.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Aeryk on August 16, 2013, 04:52:38 PM
Does everyone on this thread use a Mac?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on August 16, 2013, 05:46:41 PM
Does everyone on this thread use a Mac?

I use a PC - why do you ask?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Aeryk on August 16, 2013, 05:59:54 PM
I use a PC - why do you ask?

because with Rawmagic and such it seems like the Mac workflow is only getting easier and more streamline. I asked if there was such a thing for Windows/PC and wasn't even acknowledged. I was just wondering if I was the only Windows user in a land of Mac.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on August 16, 2013, 06:19:59 PM
ok can someone do a tutorial on how to put the right firmware on the 60d? please? Im pretty positive I have the wrong firmeware on it and I dont understand how I can even shoot a few seconds of raw video.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: superkvas on August 16, 2013, 06:28:36 PM
Hi everyone!
This is my RAW video.
All footage created via raw2dng ProRess

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on August 16, 2013, 07:03:31 PM
I asked if there was such a thing for Windows/PC and wasn't even acknowledged. I was just wondering if I was the only Windows user in a land of Mac.
It does help if you try & look through the forum, but I think you should be looking here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5557.0

ok can someone do a tutorial on how to put the right firmware on the 60d? please? Im pretty positive I have the wrong firmeware on it and I dont understand how I can even shoot a few seconds of raw video.
Right, you basically install the unified ML build v2.3.
Then you can download the latest Nightly Build or go through this thread to find a custom build by Marekk (there's one with LV_AF_RAW which will cut out the hot pixels).
You replace the AUTOEXEC.BIN in the root of the card & then the ML folder (if the RAW version only has a MODULE folder then put this in the ML folder).
Once you put the SD card back into the camera, go into ML & go to the MODULES section & Load the modules.
In video mode change the Pic Quality (in Canon Menu) to S2.
Go to MOVIE menu in ML & turn on RAW VIDEO - go into the sub-menu & choose a resolution (max starts with 1728x?)
When recording, turn off GLOBAL DRAW.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Aeryk on August 16, 2013, 07:07:39 PM
It does help if you try & look through the forum

I've looked through just about every thread that seemed even remotely relevant. But I'll keep looking, thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on August 17, 2013, 01:36:13 AM
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Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on August 17, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
so how do you get rid of the dead pixel looking things...and the frame skipping?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: raffal92 on August 20, 2013, 01:28:26 AM
i have a lot of bad pixels.... they are always the same, but they dont appear always... is there a solution?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs10.postimg.org%2F5lb1b0es5%2Fpic8.jpg&hash=3c83b6dfacd5f4756cc25bc6112f5a09) (http://postimg.org/image/5lb1b0es5/)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vovaja on August 20, 2013, 06:04:22 AM
the use of raw video, spoiled whether the matrix camera? raw video makes hot pixels?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on August 20, 2013, 10:24:05 AM
so how do you get rid of the dead pixel looking things...and the frame skipping?
i have a lot of bad pixels.... they are always the same, but they dont appear always... is there a solution?

Use this build by Marekk & in the RAW sub-menu turn on LV_AF_RAW - it does get rid of them, but is not ideal.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing

However, you can get rid of them if you use Photoshop's raw converter & there are other Free programs out there like RPP or RAWTherapee that can do this too.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: raffal92 on August 20, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
Wow this build solved my problem.... i'll do some other test but it really solves the problem...
This is one of the first test i did with the last release i used, in some shoots you can see bad pixel
 
I'm really impressed how ml raw manages shadows, no compression artifacts only the shadow... it's very awesome...

i can get 8s 208f with sandisk 45mbs the same with 95mbs version
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on August 21, 2013, 02:19:05 AM
Wow this build solved my problem.... i'll do some other test but it really solves the problem...
This is one of the first test i did with the last release i used, in some shoots you can see bad pixel
 
I'm really impressed how ml raw manages shadows, no compression artifacts only the shadow... it's very awesome...

i can get 8s 208f with sandisk 45mbs the same with 95mbs version

You get 208 frames in 1728 x 972? Can you say more about how did you achieve that? it's like 8 seconds and something and so far I haven't heard of anyone getting more than 4.3 seconds on a 60D? Good job btw! :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on August 21, 2013, 10:55:26 AM
You get 208 frames in 1728 x 972? Can you say more about how did you achieve that? it's like 8 seconds and something and so far I haven't heard of anyone getting more than 4.3 seconds on a 60D? Good job btw! :)

From the youtube description, it is 1728 X 736 (2.35:1)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Garevg on August 21, 2013, 11:32:43 AM
Hello all , the SD card (Adata SDXC 64GB UHS1 exFAT) normally shoots video without an insertion.  In attempt to establish the ML camera writes: "Update file cannot be found. Please check the memory card and reload the battery and try again. " And after that hangs tightly. It is necessary to take out the accumulator. Other cards (32GB silicone, transcend) normally stitched ML. I remove both usual video, and RAW. Everything turned out, and from new Adata it is impossible. Where is the problem?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: raffal92 on August 21, 2013, 03:12:20 PM
Yes 8s 2.35:1  1728 X 736 NO AUDIO RECORDING.... i'm trying to find the best workflow....
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Burni_ on August 21, 2013, 04:25:38 PM
From the youtube description, it is 1728 X 736 (2.35:1)

Oh.... correct. I saw 1728 and I just went to think it's 16:9 :D My bad

Although - I found which build he used and with that one I'm getting 5.2 secs in 24fps instead of the 4.3 which is still an improvement. Not sure how it came to be.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: raffal92 on August 21, 2013, 06:06:18 PM
Use this build by Marekk & in the RAW sub-menu turn on LV_AF_RAW - it does get rid of them, but is not ideal.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing

However, you can get rid of them if you use Photoshop's raw converter & there are other Free programs out there like RPP or RAWTherapee that can do this too.

Im using this build to avoid bad pixels, but i lost autoramp on intervallometer sub menu is ther a way to get this function?
Another question: is possible to shoot raw crop mode on 60d?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on August 21, 2013, 10:27:18 PM
Another question: is possible to shoot raw crop mode on 60d?
So i tried out shooting in the 5X crop at 2240x954 and 2240x1080. Every other time i've tried to record raw in 5X crop the live view screen would be grayscale and laggy. I would hit record and the live view would freeze. After checking the footage, the frames would be all messed up.
 
Yesterday, however, I was able to record in 5X mode using Marekk's v2.3.NEXT.2013Jul27.60D111. Once I hit record the live view didn't freeze and I was able to view what I was filming. Looking back at the footage, apparently it didn't record with a 5X crop, but at the actual 28mm (that's the lens I was using). However, the live view screen was in 5x. Now, concerning the footage, I guess when recording in 5X the raw data is taken from a sensor crop and not line skipping? There's usually a lot of aliasing in fine details but there doesn't seem to be any here?.. Also a lot of pink frames..

RAWMagic -> Resolve -> Hooks LUT for one and TealOrange LUT (http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?4929-NEW-Lut-TealOrange (http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?4929-NEW-Lut-TealOrange)) for the other -> other minor adjustments -> 1920x1080 ProRes 422 HQ

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOTkY0ZGlmQUJLNEU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOTkY0ZGlmQUJLNEU/edit?usp=sharing)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOaWZCZmtlTDFVVmM/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9bV9eF2RQTOaWZCZmtlTDFVVmM/edit?usp=sharing)

I'm assuming because of the limited buffer speed, etc. this won't ever be 100% reliable?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: TVIC on August 23, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
Hello all , the SD card (Adata SDXC 64GB UHS1 exFAT) normally shoots video without an insertion.  In attempt to establish the ML camera writes: "Update file cannot be found. Please check the memory card and reload the battery and try again. " And after that hangs tightly. It is necessary to take out the accumulator. Other cards (32GB silicone, transcend) normally stitched ML. I remove both usual video, and RAW. Everything turned out, and from new Adata it is impossible. Where is the problem?

Problem is exFAT! Working on FAT32 file system
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on August 27, 2013, 04:32:24 PM
Any new builds to try?

I have to re-do my ML SDCARD and system, I'm getting pink frames :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sherpa on August 27, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
so awesome
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ha.drian on August 28, 2013, 06:41:03 PM
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on August 29, 2013, 10:27:41 AM
Shots taken in Tanzania between 10.08.2013 and 24.08.2013.
- trekking to Uhuru Peak (Kilimanjaro),
- safari in Tarangire National Park and Ngorongoro Crater
- Zanzibar
Camera: Canon 60D (RAW mode, Magic Lantern) + Canon 7D (for some shots)
Music (free tracks):
Message To Bears - At The Top Of This Hill (LOCO remix)
Melokind - Sunlight

Timelapses shot in standard photo mode and raw video with fps override (no flickering at all).
h264 compression destroyed a lot of details but it's still much better than h264 from the camera.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vertigopix on August 29, 2013, 10:37:12 AM
Congratulations Marekk !  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: keikun007 on August 29, 2013, 09:09:28 PM
well done Marrek
tell us the setup you used
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on September 01, 2013, 01:24:31 PM
My first 60D wedding movie :)

Lens: Sigma 17-50 f2.8 OS
1600x680 24fps upscaled to 1920x816
Prores files created with AE
Edited and stabilized wiht fcpx

After a1ex added this function to raw_rec module I noticed only few pink frames in all recordings.
Code: [Select]
/* get exclusive access to our edmac channels */
    edmac_memcpy_res_lock();

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bjacklee on September 01, 2013, 02:19:07 PM
have anyone tried testing dual iso for 60d?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on September 01, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
ok, here is a fresh build of ML for 60D with all previous raw_rec additional features like lv_af_raw, black_bars, global draw on/of, autoexpo module and DUAL ISO :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip



have anyone tried testing dual iso for 60d?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on September 01, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
oh, dual ISO? will definitely test it tomorrow, thanks Marekk :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bjacklee on September 01, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
ok, here is a fresh build of ML for 60D with all previous raw_rec additional features like lv_af_raw, black_bars, global draw on/of, autoexpo module and DUAL ISO :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Thank a lot Marekk.. waited patiently for this one.. :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on September 01, 2013, 05:57:57 PM
Pull request was created yesterday by v8rrc.

Thank a lot Marekk.. waited patiently for this one.. :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on September 02, 2013, 06:11:25 AM
took several photos with Dual ISO, it looks good.

Moire are seen on highlight as expected, shadow details are amazing.

will do more testing with real life photo during the weekend.

thanks Marekk and the ML team again for the great work.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on September 02, 2013, 08:44:27 AM
pls send me one of your dng files
Hi marekk!
I download the new bulid.i don`t know how to used it.  i press 'load modules now' it can not start RAW video.
How can I do
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on September 02, 2013, 09:31:20 AM
I download the new bulid.i don`t know how to used it.  i press 'load modules now' it can not start RAW video.
How can I do

you need to click on the RAW rec module, so next time when you turn on the camera, you will see the green light next to the module
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on September 02, 2013, 09:42:41 AM
I get it ;D. Thank U very much!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bjacklee on September 02, 2013, 01:33:23 PM
Hi guys, Ive been digging here for few hours already looking for cr2hdr for mac but none of them worked for me. I have osx 10.6.8.. I hope you can help me with this one.. I'm currently experimenting on 60d dual iso.. :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on September 02, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
you should to install dcraw and exiftool first

Hi guys, Ive been digging here for few hours already looking for cr2hdr for mac but none of them worked for me. I have osx 10.6.8.. I hope you can help me with this one.. I'm currently experimenting on 60d dual iso.. :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bjacklee on September 02, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
you should to install dcraw and exiftool first

Thanks Marekk.. I'll do it.. :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: riechard on September 03, 2013, 08:02:46 AM
DUAL ISO 60D
Report:
Generating a dual ISO CR2 succeeded.
Postprocessing with cr2hdr completed, but with the high ISO lines apparently removed resulting in a dark image.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kermitt on September 03, 2013, 06:01:49 PM
Hi,
I'm just testing rawmagic and rawtodng. I always have dead pixels in davinci resolve !
Anyone solved this problem ?
I have the last nightly build of magic lantern...
Please help !
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: payne on September 03, 2013, 06:42:07 PM
Question: How is dual ISO working on the 60D and now other 4 channel readout models? Don't get me wrong, I'm THRILLED. I just can't find any clear description on the dual iso thread. I see people talking about magically finding more registers?

There is no end to my amazement with the turns magic lantern has taken in the last several months. I am SO SO SO happy I chose to get an EOS camera now.

Sincerely, Confused in LA
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on September 04, 2013, 05:39:52 AM
Having issues converting.
When I convert the raw file from the 60D, it's just blue. See attached image.

Any reason why this is happening?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3rdwavenow.com%2FDNG_Sample.jpg&hash=91a6c9ebc02a1fe81449392ddb8c360c)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on September 04, 2013, 06:51:48 AM
Having issues converting.
When I convert the raw file from the 60D, it's just blue. See attached image.

Any reason why this is happening?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3rdwavenow.com%2FDNG_Sample.jpg&hash=91a6c9ebc02a1fe81449392ddb8c360c)

have you use cr2hdr.exe to process it?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on September 04, 2013, 06:58:49 AM
used RAWMagic for Mac
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on September 04, 2013, 08:10:28 AM
used RAWMagic for Mac

not sure about Mac, you might need to check this link, the first post is showing some information for processing in Mac
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ersan on September 04, 2013, 09:15:19 AM
Hi all 60D users :)

1. please download this zip file.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgY1J4b1MyLUxzMFU/edit?usp=sharing
2. put autoexec.bin on your sd card and modules directory in ML folded on sd card.
3. start 60D
4. go to ML
5. go to M tab
6. run "load modules now"
7. go to movie tab
8. enable "raw video"
9. have fun :)

I wan wondering which one is the M tab in the magic lantern menu. I am fairly new to using ML.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on September 04, 2013, 09:36:34 PM
Hi,
I'm just testing rawmagic and rawtodng. I always have dead pixels in davinci resolve !
Anyone solved this problem ?
I have the last nightly build of magic lantern...
Please help !

Only Adobe Camera Raw will get rid of dead/hot/stuck pixels. Though it is not optimal, turn ON lv_af_raw before recording if you're not using ACR for post-processing.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: v8rrc on September 05, 2013, 12:37:58 AM
I wan wondering which one is the M tab in the magic lantern menu. I am fairly new to using ML.

M = Modules
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kermitt on September 05, 2013, 01:51:18 PM
Only Adobe Camera Raw will get rid of dead/hot/stuck pixels. Though it is not optimal, turn ON lv_af_raw before recording if you're not using ACR for post-processing.
Thanks for the answer.
I tried with lv-af-raw on option but it's alwas the same : Dead pixels in resolve ?
Any other solution for this ?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on September 05, 2013, 02:06:34 PM
Forget lv_af_raw and grab a median filter from the dual ISO tools to fix the bad pixels.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: iamoui on September 05, 2013, 04:22:45 PM
Forget lv_af_raw and grab a median filter from the dual ISO tools to fix the bad pixels.

a1ex, any chance you could elaborate a little further?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on September 05, 2013, 05:49:19 PM
Yes, you need some very basic C and copy/paste skills.

If that describes you, give it a try. You already know where the hot pixels are, you only need to fix them.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Abstrak on September 06, 2013, 09:08:11 AM
Having issues converting.
When I convert the raw file from the 60D, it's just blue. See attached image.

Any reason why this is happening?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3rdwavenow.com%2FDNG_Sample.jpg&hash=91a6c9ebc02a1fe81449392ddb8c360c)

That is a display issue you have to google I forget how to change it but if you have lightroom there are settings you have to change for the preview files to lose the blue tint. If you actually open that file it wont be blue.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3o on September 13, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
I was hopping someone can help me. I see other people having success with RAW video in 60D but I still cant make it work. Problem is I don't see the "M" ta. All I see is this http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/_media/04.movie.png and nowhere the option to turn it on. any ideas why ?

My installation is Stable Release: v2.3 on Canon 60D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: maxotics on September 13, 2013, 06:07:00 PM
Under modules, in ML, is rec_raw, or whatever it's called, loaded? Should see green dot next to it and OK.  If it isn't loaded, load it and then the RAW menus should work.  Also, you need an alpha, unsupported version of ML.  Not the stable one you get from the master site.  The builds are found in the forum.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Pointblaster on September 14, 2013, 12:21:20 AM
Shot this short little video yesterday with the RAW module


Shot in 1600x680 (2,35 ratio) both in normal and crop mode.

I've used the latest build and i think i screwed something up cuse i got a lot of hot pixels on the latest build (used a brand new sandisk 32gb 95mb/s card for this shoot, but no hot pixels on my 8gb sandisk 95mb/s card when i tried the build a couple of days ago) but ACR took care of it, except for one pixel that appears in some clips (you will se it in the video)

Thanks for this amazing module, i really love the result of 14-bit RAW!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on September 14, 2013, 01:51:52 AM
just released beta version of davinci resolve 10. But no badpixel opcode support. The badpixel problem still exist and no chance to change workflow from ACR to resolve.  :(

UPDATE

no more pink highlight with resolve 10 beta. This is a good news. But with lv_af active, too much artifacts and with lv_af off...bad pixels.
Is there some c programmer able to remove this last (but very annoying) issue? I'm sure that A1ex can explain to him a possible solution.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on September 14, 2013, 02:49:18 PM
@Pointblaster: ... and how many seconds/frame could you record?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on September 14, 2013, 07:19:26 PM
I'm quite a novice with all this stuff. So, I was wondering how to actually install this onto my camera.

Do I just do a low-level format of the card with my 60D, copy these files to the SD card and install like the standard ML version?

Thanks.

ok, here is a fresh build of ML for 60D with all previous raw_rec additional features like lv_af_raw, black_bars, global draw on/of, autoexpo module and DUAL ISO :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Pointblaster on September 15, 2013, 01:02:29 PM
@Flocksock about 8 secounds, 180-190 frames
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CookingBen on September 16, 2013, 11:59:33 AM
Hi,

I have used Update #11 this weekend and the camera crashed regularely. I've uploaded all the updates for your review. Installation was some weeks old. Didn't checked for a new update. Maybe the error got fixed already in #12.
http://www.cooking-ninjas.de/content/ml_11_logs.zip


Best wishes
Ben
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on September 16, 2013, 12:00:59 PM
Sounds like a buffer overflow (ML code overwriting Canon data structures). How to reproduce?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CookingBen on September 16, 2013, 11:05:18 PM
How to reproduce?

I'm afraid I can't tell exactly ...
I used a SanDisk Extreme SDHC Class 10 Card (45 Mbit/s). It often occured when i woke up the camera and wanted to start to film. Camera was set to live view all the time.
So like: Camera on, doing films, camera enter sleep mode, camera woke up, camera should film but crashed instead. But not regularly. Often after the camera was powered on for some time. But sometimes even after booting up the camera. But never came a crash twice after another. Camera always worked after removing the battery.

Hope this helped a little bit for reproducing the problem.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: savagecross on September 18, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
Shot in Magic Lantern Video RAW using the canon 60D.
Color Grading done in Davinci Resolve.

   
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tool on September 19, 2013, 01:10:44 PM
Today I'll shoot some footage 720 50/60 fps with some takes on RAW :D

I have a couple of questions since the last time a shoot some RAW video.

1st  -- Zeored my Sandisk 45mb/s
2nd -- Format on camera

(Anyone using ExFAT?(formating each time on computer)) (Beneficts apart from more than 4gb?

3rd  -- Installed back ML (2.3)
4th  -- Upgraded to latest NightlyBuild (buildbot)

(Finally with Rawrec and other modules)

UPDATE12: I'll try this ontop of nightly Sept 19.

Testing now but I think it does not include LV_AF_RAW .

I love about the custom buidlds the global draw enable/disable in raw_rec menu.

For avoiding Pink Frames (last month I've got many pink frames :) LV_AF_RAW makes any difference?




Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on September 21, 2013, 05:26:24 PM
Sounds like a buffer overflow (ML code overwriting Canon data structures). How to reproduce?
hello  Alex!
My question is how to use the latest build.
I unpacked the new version replaces the old version, but can not
Normal use,It is not the raw video Options.
My english is pool,There are many things I do not know.
I can not solve this problem now.
Can you give me some help? How to ues the latest build.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: WorkFl0w on September 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
How to use the latest build´s

Go to the Menu "Prefs" Tab and search for "Config File."
Press "Restore ML defaults" and accept it.

After that you can normally load the modules.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fup.picr.de%2F15936052ly.jpg&hash=c5cb3a1cc1a6cec9fe3e78c9931e436c)





Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: geodorno on September 24, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
did a dual ISO raw test:


lots of aliasing, but the checkered and striped walls are a subject to avoid with a dslr anyways...
and I got dead pixels, did not look closer into this, any suggestions??

finally handheld HDR video is possible!

thanks so much!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: WorkFl0w on September 24, 2013, 08:37:01 PM
Where can i activate the dual iso ?
Is there a tutorial for Canon 60D or above ?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: waffuako on September 26, 2013, 07:40:18 PM
ok. ive installed the Update no.12. but i can't enable the raw video. can anyone help me? it is my first time installing it and i directly installed the update no.12.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Brawl on September 27, 2013, 01:36:35 AM
is true that 60D can shoot continuous recording at 1584x1058 at 24fps? which is the higher pixel resolution for RAW shooting in continuous recording on 60D in 16:9 (or close?) thx
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on September 27, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
nope, not even 720p is continuous, you have to go down to std. def. to get continuous, b/c the 60D has a crippled SD card slot that is limited to around 20MB/s, BUT it has so much freaking memory your can record about 5 seconds of close to 1080p (i can't remember the exact max resolution) or about 15 seconds of 720p
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on September 28, 2013, 12:07:52 AM
Guys! I Need your Advise

My SD Card is:
SanDisk Utra
32 GB
30MB/s

After i click record button (Early Stop) message show on my screen and every 70 frames my recording automatically stop.

I appreciate your help and suggestions.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: OrionnebelGalaxie17 on September 28, 2013, 11:57:11 PM
...EOS 60D test results with dual ISO: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85674703/Magic%20Lantern%20RAW%20video%20(old)/IMG_24783.jpg
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: alanjdoolan on September 29, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
Guys! I Need your Advise

My SD Card is:
SanDisk Utra
32 GB
30MB/s

After i click record button (Early Stop) message show on my screen and every 70 frames my recording automatically stop.

I appreciate your help and suggestions.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Having the same issue though I'm hitting 80 frames.  I tried reducing the ratio and hit about 100.  What cards are you guys using?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: alanjdoolan on September 30, 2013, 12:29:42 PM
What speed card min would I need in my 60D to get max size and quality on continuous filming?
Has anyone tried a SanDisk Pro 95mb/s card and if so, what settings could you reach when using continuous filming?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on September 30, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
check this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0

960 x 540 pixel for continuous filming.
If you shoot something near HD you can only shoot 7 seconds.

You don't need a faster card than 21 MB/s cause the D60 cannot write more than 21 MB/s to the card.
So you can't record longer or in higher resolution with a faster card.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 01, 2013, 08:56:34 AM
check this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0

960 x 540 pixel for continuous filming.
If you shoot something near HD you can only shoot 7 seconds.

You don't need a faster card than 21 MB/s cause the D60 cannot write more than 21 MB/s to the card.
So you can't record longer or in higher resolution with a faster card.

but 960 x 540 is very small. it is possible additional frame if i upgrade my SD to 64?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on October 01, 2013, 11:04:21 AM
You can use 20 mb/s, or 100 MB/s or 1000 MB/s SD Card.
The Problem is that the writing speed on the D60 is limmited to 21 MB/s.

You cannot write anything that is faster than 21 MB/s.
That how the Hardware of the D60 is built. You cannot change that.
Even with a 100 MB/s SD Card... the speed is only 21 mb/s.

And with that speed you are not able to record in higher resolution.
Or if you shoot in higher resolution you can only record 134 frames.... (7 seconds)
I don't think that there is any fix.

It would be great if there would be an intern codec, better than h264.
To generate DNG files, oder PNG files, not at 12 bit, maybe 10bit.
smaller imagesize.... so that you don't need w writing speed up to 90 MB/s.
But i don't think this will ever happen.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 02, 2013, 08:25:07 AM
Thank you so much Flocksock that is great information. I do some test right now using 1280 x 720 and i have 140 frames and i will show you guys the final result and also i turn it off the Global Draw because i experience some pink distortion image.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on October 02, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
Just found this video on vimeo:

1280 x 544 pixel
410 frames (16 seconds)
Card = Cheap Transcend Class 10 card
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Onoxyne on October 02, 2013, 08:50:57 PM
Please : when your Nightly build version is working fine, could you write in your post which version is it ?
Thank you ! Magic lantern is great but I'm very afraid to try NB and I would like to use DUAL-ISO and RAW-video despite ! :-/
Argh ! I cannot decide me !
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: savagecross on October 02, 2013, 08:58:26 PM

hi what nightly build did you guys use for DUAL ISO RAW?  i have dual iso as module but it refuses to load.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Marsu42 on October 03, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
hi what nightly build did you guys use for DUAL ISO RAW?  i have dual iso as module but it refuses to load.

Always use the modules from the same nightly, the core as well as the modules are work in progress and modules obtained elsewhere are rather unlikely to work. When in doubt: compile yourself :-)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 05, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
Thanks Magic Lantern


1280x720 / 140 frames per shot
Lens: Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II
SD Card: SanDisk Utra | 32GB | 30MB/s
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on October 05, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
nice!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Marsu42 on October 05, 2013, 02:39:39 PM
1280x720 / 140 frames per shot

Impressive what you can get from 140 frames - but still, it is kinda short, I really wouldn't recommend the 60d for raw shooting with the limitation, esp. with the older 50d being much more capable, not to mention the 7d.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on October 05, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
Back then, when we thought raw video was not even possible on 1000x cards at 24 fps, Luke Neumann asked me that even if I could record 3 seconds of video, he could definitely use that.

The 60D records 118 frames at 1734x976 24p according to my simulation. That's 5 seconds of video.

So, this is the strong point of 60D, compared to the other SD cameras from the same generation. If you already have one, I think it's a good idea to exploit this style (short clips); after a while, when you get confortable with the workflow and start getting good results with this limitation, you may consider upgrading (50D, 5D3, C500, BMCC, RED or whatever other camera that shoots raw and fits your needs and budget).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on October 05, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
 :(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 06, 2013, 02:34:25 AM
Hi all, I am new to this forum and this is my first post.

I have recorded my first raw video, shot@1472x828 with a 16GB sandisk Extreme 45MB's*  at this resolution I had 146 frames.
My question is:
I have noticed that when I converted the raw files with RAWMagic 1.0 app to dng there are hot pixels, when converting to tiff files using ACR they aren't there anymore.
But unfortunately when I processed this video
few hot pixel blu and red are noticed.
What Am i doing wrong?
Thanks very much , I have read all the 40 pages but still I can get rid of this problem.
I must miss something, I have installed on my canon 60d the latest new build, is there some other settings to change.
Please let me know!!!
Keep up the good work

use raw2dng and you have lucky to get  146 frames
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 06, 2013, 02:34:59 AM
nice!

thanks mate  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 06, 2013, 02:36:53 AM
Impressive what you can get from 140 frames - but still, it is kinda short, I really wouldn't recommend the 60d for raw shooting with the limitation, esp. with the older 50d being much more capable, not to mention the 7d.

yahh it's true but this chance to shoot raw using 60D is a big help for my all short clips projects.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 06, 2013, 02:37:38 AM
So, this is the strong point of 60D, compared to the other SD cameras from the same generation. If you already have one, I think it's a good idea to exploit this style (short clips); after a while, when you get confortable with the workflow and start getting good results with this limitation, you may consider upgrading (50D, 5D3, C500, BMCC, RED or whatever other camera that shoots raw and fits your needs and budget).

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 06, 2013, 05:16:07 AM
Hey!
 I loaded the the autoexec.bin file along with the modules in the ML directory and I am able to see the raw_rec file in my camera, but when I try to load it it says " module will be loaded with the next REBOOT"
Im fairly new to the Raw Builds and would appreciate any help
Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: junior on October 06, 2013, 06:30:25 AM
Hey!
 I loaded the the autoexec.bin file along with the modules in the ML directory and I am able to see the raw_rec file in my camera, but when I try to load it it says " module will be loaded with the next REBOOT"
Im fairly new to the Raw Builds and would appreciate any help
Thanks

after you enable the raw_rec . . just restart your camera and it will be ready to rec RAW
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 06, 2013, 07:08:03 PM
Thanks @junior!
Also, I have a SanDisk 80MB/s SD card, but I am still not able to surpass recording resolution of 768x384 at 14.7MB/s
Any help?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on October 06, 2013, 07:34:03 PM
What do you have the Canon menus set to? If you bring the video resolution to 720 and disable RAW in the image res options it will improve your frame count.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 06, 2013, 10:59:52 PM
Thanks @Can!
I will try that!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 06, 2013, 11:07:58 PM
Also, is anyone able to get more than 720p resoulution, if so, how?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Marsu42 on October 06, 2013, 11:39:45 PM
Also, is anyone able to get more than 720p resoulution, if so, how?

If you care to read through the answers: The write speed of the 60d is severely limited, the higher the resolution, the less frames you'll get - above 720p most likely is not practical, but no one is preventing you to set it and get a couple of higher-res frames.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 06, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
LOL Thanks!
take it easy
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: fredzan on October 08, 2013, 06:19:16 AM
Here's my video with this firmware https://vimeo.com/76396510 (https://vimeo.com/76396510)
Canon 60d
sigma 17-50mm 2.8
magic lantern latest build
card: Transcent SD HC 16 Gb Class 10
shot@1280x720

Writes on the card at 1280x720 - 195-200 frames
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vertigopix on October 08, 2013, 09:04:10 AM
Great colors and nice baby !  :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on October 08, 2013, 04:56:54 PM
raw is the way to go!!!!!!

max resolution 136 frames
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on October 08, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
how do I get rid of these pixels?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: atideno on October 09, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
hi,

just installed magic lantern for the first time today - new to it all.
OK the intial 60D raw autoexec & modules (update number one from may 24th) I can make work - essentially i can shoot raw now. However I've been trying to add the latest updated (#12) but for some reason it doesn't work if i follow the instructions (on page 1). Anything i need to do differently with the autoexec & modules of update #12 compared to update #1?

As for the error: I do get to 'Load Modules now' but when I press it says "Modules already loaded" however raw_rec stays off and so do the other modules. Any advice?

Regards,
Dennis
Title: off topic, but very interesting reading
Post by: comurit on October 09, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
 :(
http://philipbloom.net/2013/05/28/4kraw/
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kunle on October 13, 2013, 02:34:33 AM


370 Frames
1280x720
Sandisk Extreme Pro 16gb 95mb/s
Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 VC
magic lantern latest build
Workflow
RawMagic
Davinci Resolve10 beta
FCPX



610 Frames
1280x582
Sandisk Extreme Pro 16gb 95mb/s
Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 VC
magic lantern latest build
Workflow
Rawmagic
After effects CS6
FCPX
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: atideno on October 14, 2013, 04:44:44 PM
hi,

does the histogram (rgb) change at all when shooting raw? anything i need to watch out for?
feel like i have too strongly underexposed shots even though I did watch the histogram.

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: atideno on October 15, 2013, 09:26:06 AM
hi,

does the histogram (rgb) change at all when shooting raw? anything i need to watch out for?
feel like i have too strongly underexposed shots even though I did watch the histogram.
Edit: would be great if the histogram would adjust based on the chosen aspect ratio and thus show colours&exposure within the actual frame - rather than whole lcd screen

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: MercifulOne on October 15, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
Been using the ML RAW Hack for some time now and I still can't believe it! What a beast! Thanks so much Magic Lantern for all you do! R.I.P. crappy compressed H.264 video

Recently I was on my honeymoon in AZ. Shot a few clips while we were out there using the RAW Hack.
Let me know what you guys think. Would greatly appreciate it.
Full res RAW 1728x972, FPS override 2FPS, Sandisk 16gb 95mb's cards, and some GoPro shots mixed in

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on October 15, 2013, 09:17:36 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: teecee on October 16, 2013, 08:33:26 AM
Hi every one

I haven't being visiting this website for a while i just download the latest build but every time i upload modules it wont load them up on my camera can anyone help me please


Quote
UPDATE #12
Compiled 01-09-2013
- raw_rec, ettr, fileman, picview, autoexpo, DUAL ISO
- lv_af_raw in raw_rec menu
- global draw enable/disable in raw_rec menu
- black bars enable/disable

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on October 16, 2013, 05:35:43 PM
Hey guys,

I've just started using RAW on my 60D but I'm having real problems with noise in all of my clips. Is there an easy way to get over this problem?

As far as I know, I'm using update #12.

Even with the noise issue, the level of detail and dynamic range you can get with the RAW footage is amazing. Thanks for all the hard work you developers have put into this!

Paul.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: raffal92 on October 16, 2013, 08:36:05 PM

Shooted entirely on canon 60d ml raw at maximum resolution possible 2:35 Aspect Ratio... longer shoot VBR-15
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: raffal92 on October 16, 2013, 11:41:25 PM
as you can see i have a lot of bad pixel there is a way to remove them?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: maxwellmcauley778 on October 17, 2013, 12:05:13 AM
Where's a link to the ML Raw hack found at....??
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on October 17, 2013, 08:08:09 AM
as you can see i have a lot of bad pixel there is a way to remove them?

Bad pixel is a common problem not resolved yet. Only way to hide these pixels is working in adobe products (After Effects or Photoshop).
Please post your workflow.

P.S. (i'm italian too, contact me in pvt)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on October 17, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
NOISE & ETTR:
Ok, so the noise issue is because you aren't following the ETTR rule - more light=better detail & less noise.
Here's a video i made to demonstrate exactly why you should be following ETTR:
Use the Raw Zebras & a good reading should be about -0.4ev (you're nearly or just a bit overexposing).
I tend to use a higher ISO (400/800) & an ND filter, but if you make sure that you're exposing [enough] to the right (ETTR) & have good light then most ISOs should be fine.
Just remember that this is RAW & you'll have to do post work - you can recover everything!

BAD PIXELS:
Here's a link to Marrek's build that gets rid of the bad pixels (you need to turn on LV_AF_Raw in the Raw Video menu).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Here's a link to an earlier version (can't remember which one works best - think the one above has Dual ISO as well & some other stuff):
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

It works & is the only workaround for the 60D ATM.

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.

And finally, if you want really high res bursts (i.e. higher than 1728x...) you can achieve this by doing the following:
Press x5 zoom button (remember to turn off Global raw first & set Frames Per Second Override!)
Press ML Menu button
Goto Raw Video Menu & you'll notice that you can go further on the Resolution scale (max 2512x...., but i use 2240x.... to be safe).
Exit ML Menu
DO NOT EXIT x5 zoom mode
Press record & you should be able to get about 73frames.

Its not perfect, but once you find a higher resolution that works well it can add to your videos.

Good Luck! 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Alex135 on October 17, 2013, 07:23:21 PM
BAD PIXELS:
Here's a link to Marrek's build that gets rid of the bad pixels (you need to turn on LV_AF_Raw in the Raw Video menu).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Here's a link to an earlier version (can't remember which one works best - think the one above has Dual ISO as well & some other stuff):
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

It works & is the only workaround for the 60D ATM.

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.

And finally, if you want really high res bursts (i.e. higher than 1728x...) you can achieve this by doing the following:
Press x5 zoom button (remember to turn off Global raw first & set Frames Per Second Override!)
Press ML Menu button
Goto Raw Video Menu & you'll notice that you can go further on the Resolution scale (max 2512x...., but i use 2240x.... to be safe).
Exit ML Menu
DO NOT EXIT x5 zoom mode
Press record & you should be able to get about 73frames.

Its not perfect, but once you find a higher resolution that works well it can add to your videos.

Good Luck! 

Sir, you just saved me a lot of time and effort trying to figure out why my 60D could not record more than 4 seconds of 1280x720 30fps video. I knew there was something I had to change in order to make it work but it was a while ago that I read it and couldn't for the life of me remember. For this you have my thanks.

For workflow I have a question. I have been getting mixed results when I bring my raws over. The raw2dng frontend GUI for Mac. Using this I can create the DNG images and it renders a Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) for me as well using ffmpeg. The proxy, however, shows hot pixels. When I bring the DNG files it creates into After Effects there are none but instead I get more noise and a different exposure. (no settings changed during import) What am I doing wrong?

Anyone willing to help out a newbie? :)

And to everyone working so hard on Magic Lantern, you are amazing.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on October 17, 2013, 09:47:41 PM
For workflow I have a question. I have been getting mixed results when I bring my raws over. The raw2dng frontend GUI for Mac. Using this I can create the DNG images and it renders a Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) for me as well using ffmpeg. The proxy, however, shows hot pixels. When I bring the DNG files it creates into After Effects there are none but instead I get more noise and a different exposure. (no settings changed during import) What am I doing wrong?

Try using the Dropbox linked build I posted & this will get rid of the Hot Pixels.
If using a Mac then try RAWmagic, which is available free on the Appstore & see if that makes a difference - it works really well.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on October 18, 2013, 03:25:51 PM
Thanks very much Bioskop.Inc. I think it's just a case of having to practise a bit more! Brilliantly detailed response.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Sergio Villegas on October 19, 2013, 04:41:39 AM
Hello, First of all, thank you to every one that has worked hard on getting this updates to work with the 60D.
I am facing a problem that I don't know how to fix it and it is driving me crazy. When I "run the modules" the left dots go green and then to the right of each module it reads "err" and the modules cannot be uploaded. I have tried many things, but I can't just get it to work.

Can some one please help me?

Thank you in advance!!!!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: SAI on October 19, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
Hey im having trouble with using RAW. I uploaded the module fine, but when i record it stops andgives me an error and there are know files in playback. The i tried recording again and stopping it before the error came. but still no file saved. Has anyone experienced this? is there a new file that i need to download?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: SAI on October 19, 2013, 07:22:25 PM
are you supposed to remove the old autoexec.bin? or keep both on the sd card?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on October 19, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
yes you have to remove the old one and replace it with the new one.
Good luck!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on October 21, 2013, 06:50:59 PM
hey guys updating my 60D to last version of ML, the temperature indicator shows over 60 ° C and changes in red color (in h264 shot). Is it normal?
What is the normal sensor temperature for this camera?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: SAI on October 22, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
yes you have to remove the old one and replace it with the new one.
Good luck!!

Thanks Just installed the latest nightly build. The Raw files are showing up, but nothings reading it. Do i need to convert it? is there a workflow tutorial? Work in a small Media Company iin the Virgin Islands. The Owner has a 5D Mark II No ML and my little 60D With ML is starting to Out Pace his! love ML!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on October 22, 2013, 09:08:25 AM
@ SAI
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: SAI on October 22, 2013, 09:40:45 AM
@ Comurit Thanks Boss, I got it going before i read the post. I Downloaded RAWmagic for mac and then open the Files in Adobe Bridge. Is Raw2dng.exe better?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on October 22, 2013, 02:52:01 PM

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.

And finally, if you want really high res bursts (i.e. higher than 1728x...) you can achieve this by doing the following:
Press x5 zoom button (remember to turn off Global raw first & set Frames Per Second Override!)
Press ML Menu button
Goto Raw Video Menu & you'll notice that you can go further on the Resolution scale (max 2512x...., but i use 2240x.... to be safe).
Exit ML Menu
DO NOT EXIT x5 zoom mode
Press record & you should be able to get about 73frames.

Its not perfect, but once you find a higher resolution that works well it can add to your videos.

Good Luck!

This is by far the best way to shoot raw on the 60D at the moment.
Thanks for this.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sabit on October 22, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
Guys, I need help! Set ML 2.3, everything works fine! Sets the update number 10, turn in mode M, to load modules. But no one module is not loaded and no inclusion in Movie mode RAV. I apologize for my English.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on October 22, 2013, 05:48:48 PM

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.


This is probably a stupid question, but... surely if picture quality is set to S2, you won't have the same ability to manipulate the video as with SRAW?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on October 22, 2013, 06:22:07 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but... surely if picture quality is set to S2, you won't have the same ability to manipulate the video as with SRAW?

Not entirely a stupid question, but I meant change this setting when in Video Mode!
For some reason selecting S2 (jpeg) gives you longer recording times compared to when in SRAW - It has absolutely no effect on the Raw Video you are filming.

Obviously if you're taking photos, then any of the RAW options are the ones to go for (i like a combination of RAW & JPEG).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: visivopro on October 23, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
Hey Everyone

I have a simple and possibly stupid question. I want to shoot some Raw and I have gotten everything installed and working but I can only seem to record 9 sec or less at 720P. Is that normal or is there a way to do at least 15 or more sec? It seems like that's just what you get right now but I thought I would ask anyway.

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on October 24, 2013, 05:45:39 AM
Quote
BAD PIXELS:
Here's a link to Marrek's build that gets rid of the bad pixels (you need to turn on LV_AF_Raw in the Raw Video menu).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip

Here's a link to an earlier version (can't remember which one works best - think the one above has Dual ISO as well & some other stuff):
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgbTJiT18tcS1ldjA/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

It works & is the only workaround for the 60D ATM.

Don't be afraid to use the lesser crop modes - I find 1280x... upscales really nicely & you get longer recording times!
Also, remember to change the Picture Quality in the Canon Menu from SRAW to S2 (jpeg) - you'll get longer recording times.
Turn Global Draw off when recording.

And finally, if you want really high res bursts (i.e. higher than 1728x...) you can achieve this by doing the following:
Press x5 zoom button (remember to turn off Global raw first & set Frames Per Second Override!)
Press ML Menu button
Goto Raw Video Menu & you'll notice that you can go further on the Resolution scale (max 2512x...., but i use 2240x.... to be safe).
Exit ML Menu
DO NOT EXIT x5 zoom mode
Press record & you should be able to get about 73frames.

Its not perfect, but once you find a higher resolution that works well it can add to your videos.

Good Luck!
So maybe I spoke too soon.
I'm getting pixels shown in the image below.

Could this be because I have Global Draw on?

I'm shooting:
23.98
1472x626 @ 2:35
using the above settings.

Thanks for your help everyone!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3rdwavenow.com%2FMessUp.jpg&hash=20e631a0ab9f5b62128725420be7e4d8)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sabit on October 24, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Please re-install the update ml60d_01_09_2013.zip It worked!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: krp2nte on October 27, 2013, 12:35:37 AM
Ok Super Friends.  I am finally getting to business and shooting some RAW magic of my baby boy.  I have kept up on this thread all summer and I know I have everything down--except one thing.  (I did search the forum but this Q has seemed to go unanswered).

I bring my DNG's in to ACR.  While previewing the images and making minor tweaks--the hot pixels are not present (as expected).

BUT!

When I save the images in a new folder with the tweaks--the hot pixels are still friggin there!  As you all know there are few options within ACR as it pertains to image output so....what am I missing?

Please and thank you in advance :)

(If I pull the image all the way into photoshop and then save as jpeg, the hot pixels are gone--but if I just hit the "save image" button in ACR it get the hot pixels staying.)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mm on October 27, 2013, 09:31:14 PM
Hello everyone,

A few questions;

> Is it possible to upgrade the 60D SD card slot hardware to a faster one? If so, how much will it cost?
> I don't care for the 16:9 aspect ratio; would it be possible to have a width between 960 and 1152? for example 1020, 1080 or 1100? I would prefer to work with wider aspect ratio's, but a ratio of 2.67 with a width 1152 is too wide for my taste.

Cheers,

- mm
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 28, 2013, 12:12:05 AM
Thanks to the new nightly build from yesterday, the 60D that i have now lets me record VBR QScale at -16 without stopping! A Visibly Cleaner image! But don't hope for any added sharpening  to your shots.
I'm really happy! LMFAO
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 28, 2013, 12:13:37 AM
Im also getting some higher record times on the RAW video, continuous recording at 960x540, which is good!
But is it possible in the future that it can go higher with y'alls expertise? lol
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on October 28, 2013, 03:24:12 PM
Thanks to the new nightly build from yesterday, the 60D that i have now lets me record VBR QScale at -16 without stopping! A Visibly Cleaner image! But don't hope for any added sharpening  to your shots.
I'm really happy! LMFAO
Have you had any luck using Global Draw without getting the messed up pixels?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 29, 2013, 02:42:19 AM
@3rdwave
 I followed the instructions on pg 41 of the forum and it said with Global Draw off one can get more frames and thats what i have been doing, the footage looks rather good to me. Also with global draw off on all modes, try lowering ur image quality from canon menu to S2 or lower to get better results.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on October 29, 2013, 04:40:12 PM
I think I was able to use focus peaking last night.
I'll post my findings tonight.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on October 30, 2013, 04:17:58 AM
I think I was able to use focus peaking last night.
I'll post my findings tonight.

Yeah I was going to shoot my short film entirely in RAW but looking at the resolutions and recording times.....i think i'll just stick to VBR -16 Scale h.264 encoding lol
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on November 02, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
Here's a very quick RAW video test. I used the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 for the first shot and the 'nifty fifty' for the other shots.

Shot at 1726x736, DNG's edited in ACR and the rest done in Premiere Pro CC.

Not perfect but I'm fairly happy with the outcome!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Can on November 02, 2013, 10:25:18 PM
Here's a very quick RAW video test. I used the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 for the first shot and the 'nifty fifty' for the other shots.

Shot at 1726x736, DNG's edited in ACR and the rest done in Premiere Pro CC.

Not perfect but I'm fairly happy with the outcome!


Damn that's nice.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: farigiovanni on November 03, 2013, 03:15:37 PM
hi there, I'm trying to get the raw video on my 60d but for some reason it gives me a error after a few second. I saw other people experiencing the same issue but I can't find the solution, I think is my installation wrong but not sure, magic lantern on itself it's ok. I'm not sure if I have to install the 2.3 or the nightly builds. P.S I red that I should turn on LV_AF_Raw but It doesn't seem to show up any-where. I hope some body can give me a input. thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on November 04, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
Hi everyone.. If you would like to use all latest features and fixes pls use latest nightly builds. All modules work on 60D so there is no need to prepare special builds for 60D.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: alejandrotero on November 05, 2013, 03:23:19 AM
Hello everybody. Im thinking on trying this on my 60D, but first I would like to know form you users, how is it actually working on thsi camera? Can somebody share its experience or maybe a video to watch some results?

Thanx in advance!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: larrycafe on November 05, 2013, 03:44:31 AM
hi marekk, do you means we can download it from the nightly build and then select the "60D.111" to download?

or select the "unified"?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: atideno on November 05, 2013, 07:13:20 AM
Hi guys,

thank you so much for all your support!!! I've taken your hard work and did some hard work myself.
My first video with the 60D in raw:
Don't think its 1080 on default.

Dennis
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on November 05, 2013, 03:17:31 PM
hi guys. With last night build my camera reaches 63 °C (marked in red in the top-middle).

It's normal?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ghosts on November 05, 2013, 10:09:53 PM
hey guys :) sorry to ask this, but where is this last night build you keep talking abou? :)
thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: painya on November 06, 2013, 05:15:39 AM
hey guys :) sorry to ask this, but where is this last night build you keep talking abou? :)
thanks!
Top of the page > Downloads > scroll down > Nightly builds > select 60d
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: metalprince on November 07, 2013, 06:51:53 PM
i have a 60D too.i ve already installed ML latest version.
But i dont have any tab or menu name "m" "load modules" or something like that! I cant load this thing please help.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on November 08, 2013, 04:12:07 AM
i have a 60D too.i ve already installed ML latest version.
But i dont have any tab or menu name "m" "load modules" or something like that! I cant load this thing please help.
have you installed the nightly build or just the ML Stable version 2.3?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: CharlieA56 on November 10, 2013, 04:56:40 PM
Easily reaching high temperatures... !!! (around 64ºC)  :-[

Last build I had was from early October and no temp issues with that one... just today I decide to install a new one to check it out and, beautiful... but a lot of overheating and 3 times it has crashed with an ERROR 70...

Just wanted to report that...
I'm going back to that early October build for the moment !

Thanx for the effort !
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 1% on November 10, 2013, 07:23:38 PM
If you're getting high temps, turn off some overlays. Everything that draws and uses CPU hard, esp raw indicators will drive your temperature up.... just try recording with display filter full color raw preview :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sarotaz on November 11, 2013, 08:48:31 AM
high temp for me too  :( with stable release or october night build i've no problem (global draw ON with histogram only)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: sammyb on November 11, 2013, 11:22:53 AM
Same here, getting really high temps upwards of 55ºC.

Running a 5D MK3 (obviously not a 60D but I figured I'd put it here)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: mikebotros on November 12, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
Hey guys. I'm was using the latest build as of 11/11/13, and did some raw tests on my 60D. my memory card wasn't fast enough to record as the highest continuous resolution resolution, so i was recording at 864 x 362. As you can see in this sample footage there are a lot of those color dots. Anybody know what's causing those and how to get rid of them? As I was skimming through I saw suggestions to turn off global draw, which I did, but they still show up on every shot i tried. I really like the look of the raw, even at the low resolution but those dots are killing me!

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Xander on November 13, 2013, 09:57:16 AM
Hey guys. I'm was using the latest build as of 11/11/13, and did some raw tests on my 60D. my memory card wasn't fast enough to record as the highest continuous resolution resolution, so i was recording at 864 x 362. As you can see in this sample footage there are a lot of those color dots. Anybody know what's causing those and how to get rid of them? As I was skimming through I saw suggestions to turn off global draw, which I did, but they still show up on every shot i tried. I really like the look of the raw, even at the low resolution but those dots are killing me!


I'm having this one also on my camera, I also get these dots (in higher resolution these dots have a red glow around them) anyone knows what this can be? Can anyone confirm that this also appear on previous nightly builds?

EDIT:
These dots doesn't seem to appear on the dng files. Meaby they appear because of the high iso value while recording?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: From China on November 14, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
hey guys
Here is my 60D raw video test 
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on November 14, 2013, 07:28:59 PM
60D Raw Test


enjoy!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on November 15, 2013, 02:54:19 AM
Does anyone know why I cant change the shutter speed? like the number changes but if I go to like a higher shutter speed it wont make it darker.... I don't have NDs so this is kinda annoying.

maybe I just need to disable something?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: gary2013 on November 15, 2013, 03:56:32 AM
sounds like exposure is locked. make it manual exposure.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: metalprince on November 16, 2013, 01:08:23 AM
have you installed the nightly build or just the ML Stable version 2.3?



yes already installed =(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on November 16, 2013, 05:27:14 AM


yes already installed =(

well the only thing i would suggest is you check the folder for the actual new files/ try installing it again with the FONTS.DAT file
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Theiamania on November 16, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
Hi everybody,
I'm starting to record in RAW with these settings:

Video Format from  menù Canon: 1280*720 50p
Video Format from menù ML: Raw 1280*514
CBR 1.x (default)

Scan Disk extreme Pro 957MB/s

unfortunately rec stops after few second (7...9 sec) , the camera icon in upper right corner becomes from yellow to red and than stops...
What is wrong?
Help please.  :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Haliburton on November 16, 2013, 04:41:06 PM
When selecting your RAW recording size, look at the bottom of your screen.

ML will tell you the data rate of the *frame rate and pixel dimensions you’ve selected. Anything over 20 MB/s is faster than the 60D can write to the card, and will cause recording to stop when the camera’s buffer is full.

You can maximize the size of buffer available to ML RAW by going into the Canon menu, and setting stills quality to the smallest JPG. Also set Auto Power Off to OFF.

Too, for most stability while shooting RAW, once you have made all the settings you need for your scene, turn off Global Draw.


*Related to this is that you can film larger pixel dimensions at lower frame rates. I sometimes shoot timelapse at maximum possible resolution, at up to 7 frames per second, which still generates less than 20 MB/s to write to card.

It also means that many of us (as you seem to as well) have begun using wider aspect ratios such as 2.39:1, common in feature films… something we might not have explored, without the limitation of 20 MB/s.

We also plan our takes better, so that we can capture what we need in the 30 seconds or so we have available to us in RAW. That’s longer than many scenes we see in finished films: it forces us to be organized!

There’s no just-letting-the-camera-run-for-minutes-on-end, with 60D raw.


Finally, once you’ve finished filming, be sure in the Canon menu to set stills quality and Auto Power Off back to your preferred settings! You wouldn’t be the first ML user to take a bunch of tiny JPGs of something important, or to have your battery die because you were depending on the camera to shut itself off :)





Hi everybody,
I'm starting to record in RAW with these settings:

Video Format from  menù Canon: 1280*720 50p
Video Format from menù ML: Raw 1280*514
CBR 1.x (default)

Scan Disk extreme Pro 957MB/s

unfortunately rec stops after few second (7...9 sec) , the camera icon in upper right corner becomes from yellow to red and than stops...
What is wrong?
Help please.  :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Theiamania on November 17, 2013, 08:56:33 AM
Hi Haliburton and many thanks for explanations,
but I still have problems...
I setted stills quality to the smallest JPG. Also setted Auto Power Off to OFF.
always with this setting, it stops... :'(

Video Format from  menù Canon: 1280*720 50p
Video Format from menù ML: Raw 1280*514
CBR 1.x (default)

Scan Disk extreme Pro 95 MB/s

I tried to shot Raw 768*308 and it works... so, is my Scan Disk extreme Pro 95 MB/s a FAKE? >:(

 
I also cannot see what I shoted... and I have to extract SDHC and check in reader card what I daone. All (shorts) file were on card but i didnt0 see them on camera, by player >:(

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on November 17, 2013, 10:26:03 AM
You wrote "so, is my Scan Disk extreme Pro 95 MB/s a FAKE?"

No. You card works fine.
The 60D ist not able to write faster than 20 Mb/s.

With a 20 mb/ s card you will get 20 mb/s
If you have a 50 mb/s card .... you also only get writing speed 20 mb/s
with a 95 mb/s card you also get only 20 mb/s.

get it?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Theiamania on November 18, 2013, 07:51:15 AM
Okay now; great,
I see many, many video test with canon 60D filmed at 1280* an over but I figure out now they are not sol long few seconds...
Many thanks for explanations!

 :-*
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on November 18, 2013, 12:25:39 PM
Check this thread:
Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0


If you check this thread you find some videos...
and some people post infos like this:
--------------------------------------
370 Frames
1280x720
Sandisk Extreme Pro 16gb 95mb/s
--------------------------------------
610 Frames
1280x582
Sandisk Extreme Pro 16gb 95mb/s
--------------------------------------

610 frames / 25 fps = 24 Seconds.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: kunle on November 18, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Flocksock
I had the following results using the same card - I have just loaded the raw files in raw2cdng and the results are below:-

1728x972 137 frames
1728x736 205 Frames
1280x582 706 Frames
1280x720 395 frames

All at 23.98 FPS -Global draw etc disabled.

These were the results of the tests i did in September, I was so impressed with the results that I bought a second hand canon 50D for continuous recording.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on November 19, 2013, 02:47:41 AM
Does anyone experience a lot of noise when filming RAW? I find that its always way noisier than the h264.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on November 19, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
my latest test footage
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on November 21, 2013, 08:16:07 PM
Hej filmkid1080.
Great Video. very nice shots. There are some "magic lantern raw video" channels on Vimeo. Maybe you get more feedback there. Anyway. as i said. very nice video.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on November 21, 2013, 08:50:19 PM
Does anyone experience a lot of noise when filming RAW? I find that its always way noisier than the h264.

Go back 2 pages - I wrote a post explaining how ETTR will cut down your noise levels, there's even a video!
I also covered other basic things you should be doing when using RAW with your 60D.
(Think i'll paste it onto the first page)

NB. People have stopped replying to questions simply because they have been answered a thousand times.

Learn to use the search function or just read through the topic - there's actually loads of useful info.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on November 21, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
yeah I looked at that. I understand the ettr kinda but if I turn up the iso and expose to the right wont it just make it grainier?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on November 22, 2013, 11:37:56 AM
yeah I looked at that. I understand the ettr kinda but if I turn up the iso and expose to the right wont it just make it grainier?

With ETTR you've got to unlearn everything you've had to accept using a DSLR, just because you're shooting in RAW.
Here's some useful reading, the first link is the easiest to understand:

http://schewephoto.com/ETTR/
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/optimizing_exposure.shtml


It will only be grainier if you really push the ISO beyond the camera's limits - so i don't go much higher than 800 (stick to multiples of 100 for RAW - forget the the multiples of 160).
Also, in good light you choose ISO as normal, try to ETTR as much as possible, but you don't need to go overboard.
Its really important to use ETTR & a higher ISO in darker situations in order to limit/reduce the noise.
An ND filter is invaluable for ETTR.

Anyways, experiment till you get it right/understand - practice makes perfect....
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on November 22, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
my latest test footage

Great video showing the capabilities of RAW video. Gives us a better idea than the typical flowers, babies and pets videos!  :P
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on November 22, 2013, 05:51:16 PM
hey guys
Here is my 60D raw video test
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmkid1080 on November 22, 2013, 10:55:13 PM

It will only be grainier if you really push the ISO beyond the camera's limits - so i don't go much higher than 800 (stick to multiples of 100 for RAW - forget the the multiples of 160).

so if the correct exposure is say 600iso you dont push it more than 800?
well what if you need an iso of 1600 for a correct exposure then ettr would be something like 2000 iso?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on November 23, 2013, 10:36:52 AM
so if the correct exposure is say 600iso you dont push it more than 800?
well what if you need an iso of 1600 for a correct exposure then ettr would be something like 2000 iso?

The 60D isn't great at low light, so its going to be limited in what you can shoot - RAW isn't really going to get you a better picture simply because the camera's sensor just isn't that great.
You really need to test out what is good for you, but at higher ISOs you might need to use something like NeatVideo to de-noise, but this will be easier to do & yeild better results because you are using RAW.

Remeber to use the RAW Zebras (i put them to 95%) & i tend to ETTR with a value of E -0.4, so its not too much over normal exposure but just enough to be able to pull it back.

Experiment & test
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Theiamania on November 23, 2013, 11:43:41 AM
Just an other questions>
which kind of video format I've to set on Canon menù when I shot in Raw?
For example, if I shot 1280*... with ML, which video format have to choose in Canon menù.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: bbpetrid on November 23, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
Having the same issue though I'm hitting 80 frames.  I tried reducing the ratio and hit about 100.  What cards are you guys using?

I am having the same issue. I don't think its because of the card I'm using (Sandisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s), cause i didn't have this problem before.
I get the following message, no matter what resolution i use in raw video:
"Early stop 15: This is a bug please report it"

I use all the recommended settings (global draw off, S2 JPEG quality etc).
I wasn't having this problem before.
It must be the latest nightly built i installed (22/11/2013).

If anyone could help i would appreciate it.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: metalprince on November 26, 2013, 10:32:46 PM
well the only thing i would suggest is you check the folder for the actual new files/ try installing it again with the FONTS.DAT file

i cant find any FONTS.DAT file what did you mean? help me pls =(
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Paddi on November 28, 2013, 05:00:37 PM
i cant find any FONTS.DAT file what did you mean? help me pls =(

FONTS.DAT file should be in your data folder inside the ML folder thats is the new nightly build. If you dont find it there, you're gonna have to get that file from the ML stable 2.3 version and paste it in the New ML folder, inside the 'data' folder (nightly build ML)

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on December 02, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
where are you all? any news? ;D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: metalprince on December 02, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
FONTS.DAT file should be in your data folder inside the ML folder thats is the new nightly build. If you dont find it there, you're gonna have to get that file from the ML stable 2.3 version and paste it in the New ML folder, inside the 'data' folder (nightly build ML)

I hope this helps.


oh friend i saw that file already exist.But still i cant M tab in t ML? i cant load modules for raw video thing
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: anemptybox on December 04, 2013, 01:43:15 AM
In the list of aspect ratios, I see 4:3, 1:1,2:1, but I don't see anything else that could be used to maximize vertical resolution when using a 2X anamorphic adapter. Right now the most I can get on continuous recording in 4:3 is 768x576, which will become 1536x576(2.66).  2.66 is cinescope's full width, but I would like to be able to record in 2.39 and 1.85  which means I need 1.195(roughly 6/5) and .925.  Is it possible to get these aspect ratios?

I've also noticed that the higher  the horizontal resolution and the lower the vertical, the higher the continuous record total resolution. Which means I could turn my anamorphic on it's side and squeeze 1600x320(5:1), into 1600x640(5:2 ratio) as opposed to a horizontal squeeze of 4:3's continuous 768x576 into 1536x576. So I guess my second question is what is the perfect aspect ratio regardless of commonly used ratios, to yield the highest amount of total resolution when paired with a 2x anamorphic lens?

If anybody knows how to tweak ML to do this, I and others would be pretty stoked.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: abrainin96 on December 04, 2013, 05:55:02 AM
After installing the most recent update, I wasn't able to load my modules, thus I couldn't use RAW. Help?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on December 12, 2013, 07:19:23 AM
anyone doing any better with raw?
cheerse!!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on December 15, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
 :'( is anybody out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hellooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Flocksock on December 15, 2013, 02:55:45 PM
"anyone doing any better with raw?"

What do you mean? "anyone" tried raw to a different time.
What do you want? Check the latest release an try raw for yourself
if you want. And post video, too. any feeback is good.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on December 20, 2013, 01:43:30 AM
Hey guys!

First of all, thanks for this! Awesome!

Second, it don't work for me! :(

I have a Canon 60D, running latest firmware, running latest ML, 100%. Then following the above instructions to the T, I got the RAW option available and I am able to start recording, but after the 1st frame it captures, it fails and terminates recording. I end up with no RAW file.

I have tried 4 different cards, ranging from speeds of 20-90mb/s.
I have tired lower resolutions recording RAW, no dice.

I've been flashing Android devices for years, and if a Camera is anything like an Android device, no two are really completely identical. Could it be possible that my camera simply doesn't like it? Or do I need a much faster card?

I'm sorry if this has already been asked. I wasn't able to find anything. I appreciate any help you could give me on this! I'd love to be able to record RAW!

Thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on December 20, 2013, 05:23:04 PM
I'm still using the nightly build from Nov 18 and it is working fine, if you can get your hands on that version at least it'll be able to workfor you
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: tin2tin on December 20, 2013, 05:25:46 PM
Has MLV been ported to 60D yet?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on December 20, 2013, 06:19:23 PM
Has MLV been ported to 60D yet?
There's no porting to do, you can use it if you want. The issue with MLV is the extra overhead required doesn't make a lot of sense for the 60D with it's extremely crippled SD slot. You're better off using raw_rec so that you can get as high a resolution/duration as possible.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: a1ex on December 20, 2013, 08:44:51 PM
I didn't try MLV lately, but thought the overhead is now next to none (so I was expecting it to completely replace raw_rec at some point).

If raw_rec will still be faster in the long run, I may resume maintaining it as a minimalist branch recorder that does one thing and does it well (that is, simplify the code, remove advanced stuff like digital panning, focus on speed and robustness, and leave all the extra options to MLV). Thoughts?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dubarry on December 20, 2013, 10:08:03 PM
as long as you don't get rid of raw_rec completely!

the 175 frames are just too good to give up.  Not just the quality but the useability of the raw video is just fantastic.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on December 21, 2013, 12:20:31 AM
I'm still using the nightly build from Nov 18 and it is working fine, if you can get your hands on that version at least it'll be able to workfor you

I was wondering if perhaps someone can tell me what is the minimum card requirement to get RAW working?

I'm really not understanding why I can't get RAW to work on my camera specifically.

I've updated now running the latest ML nightly. The new UI sleek, and I see the RAW module. I can enable it and get it to run, but for some reason, it's telling me, at 24fps, a camera that should be able to do 20mb/s and a card that does 30mb/s (sorry, I know the read vs write isn't the same, I can't remember all the values), I'm only getting 6mb/s, it'll record and fail within a second or two.

Does this sound familiar to anyone? Thanks!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmcubepro on December 22, 2013, 07:01:58 AM
here's a tip so you guys don't waste time and money.
 1. it has already been said, but the 60d only writes at 20 mb/s max . So if you plan to buy a new sd card, make sure to take this into account.
 2. even though the and sd card say 95 (or any number) mb/s, it doesn't mean it writes at that speed, it means they will mostly read at that speed, for offloading.
 3. I'm not sure for other cards, but with Sandisk, on cards that are higher than 16gb , the camera formats as exfat. this particular change may be a reason, but cards higher than 16gb usually write slower for raw movie rec.
 4. per my experience, 16gb sandisk sd at 30mb/s and 45mb/s maintain a speed higher than 20 mb/s when recording. they are fairly cheap so you can stack up on those. and you'll get the maximum time of recording out of them.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on December 24, 2013, 06:25:33 AM
I was wondering if perhaps someone can tell me what is the minimum card requirement to get RAW working?

I'm really not understanding why I can't get RAW to work on my camera specifically.

I've updated now running the latest ML nightly. The new UI sleek, and I see the RAW module. I can enable it and get it to run, but for some reason, it's telling me, at 24fps, a camera that should be able to do 20mb/s and a card that does 30mb/s (sorry, I know the read vs write isn't the same, I can't remember all the values), I'm only getting 6mb/s, it'll record and fail within a second or two.

Does this sound familiar to anyone? Thanks!


Make sure your image quality (from the Canon Menu button not ML menu) is not set to RAW image quality, set it to just a medium JPEG or something and that increases the buffer size of the clips, I find that I can record 2.35:1 ratio at 1280x522 (or something maybe 544) around 30 second clips. Though usually stop down to 1152x5something to get continuous recording I don't mind wide formats and even enjoy the cinematic feel of framing etc.

The card I use is a Sandisk 60MB/s write card. I only had issues for premature recording of second or 2 clips when I was shooting at some astronomical resolution. Interesting though, the last option would be a defective card or SD slot in the camera.. Though I can't imagine that being the case


Also: here is a 15 second shot I did with a 28-70mm 2.8L, I think the quality is fantastic and can't wait to work with it more, might even tinker with the code myself and see what happens. Not a valid vimeo URL [/vimeo]

EDIT: For continuous shooting I use a 2.67:1 ratio at a resolution of 1152x432. Though mostly I shoot at 2.35:1 at 1280x544 in 31-36 second clips. I also like the look of non-raw video because combined with my lens it is soft and great looking! Good luck and have fun and be creative!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: vroem on December 29, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
BAD PIXELS:
Here's a link to Marrek's build that gets rid of the bad pixels (you need to turn on LV_AF_Raw in the Raw Video menu).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jiq5wuzwp6igyi/ml60d_01_09_2013.zip
The only way to get rid of the bad pixel bug is to get this build from september 2013. Is there any development going on to resolve this bug in the official Magic Lantern? I couldn't find a bug report on this, I suppose I can open one?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmcubepro on December 30, 2013, 03:44:12 PM
The only way to get rid of the bad pixel bug is to get this build from september 2013. Is there any development going on to resolve this bug in the official Magic Lantern? I couldn't find a bug report on this, I suppose I can open one?

actually this problem doesn't arise with the 5d's . its a problem relative to the 60d along with other dslr. To fix this problem in camera, marekk's build is the most effective solution, but gives artifacts.

if you can settle for a fix in post, Adobe camera raw (implemented into after effects) and lightroom have an automatic dead pixel remover. however , this means your workflow will rely on those applications for grading and such ( if you really want to grade raw files).

the dead pixel is mainly why we 60d users can't use the davinci resolve raw workflow

i honestly use lightroom to color CORRECT into a flat enough profile. and then export as uncompressed 16 bit Tiff container . the file is no longer raw once it reaches davinci resolve, but you still have your original 14 bit of data. ( and the detail recovery that raw allows has already been utilized in lightroom)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on December 31, 2013, 05:44:46 PM
My question is that I want to record 2.35:1 widescreen but the box is in the middle.. is there any way to record edge to edge and only crop the top and bottom off of the screen? Instead of having to record everything inside a little box? Seems extremely unhelpful as a crop camera you already have to move back farther and this is like double cropping and having to move back a tremendous amount.. very egregious.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmcubepro on January 01, 2014, 04:54:48 AM
My question is that I want to record 2.35:1 widescreen but the box is in the middle.. is there any way to record edge to edge and only crop the top and bottom off of the screen? Instead of having to record everything inside a little box? Seems extremely unhelpful as a crop camera you already have to move back farther and this is like double cropping and having to move back a tremendous amount.. very egregious.

then you have to change the resolution 1080p with that aspect ratio , the width won't be 1920 exactly , but it does go edge to edge , but your record time drops dramaticly ,
i'm afraid there is no other way
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on January 01, 2014, 11:38:02 PM
then you have to change the resolution 1080p with that aspect ratio , the width won't be 1920 exactly , but it does go edge to edge , but your record time drops dramaticly ,
i'm afraid there is no other way

Dang, 1728x736 would be perfect to record in. I wonder if there is some sort of hardware hack I could wire up to get it to send video quicker than the SD slot... Or are we hardware limited by the camera itself? Or just the SD card? I just got a 60D so I am still pretty new to all this.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on January 02, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Dang, 1728x736 would be perfect to record in. I wonder if there is some sort of hardware hack I could wire up to get it to send video quicker than the SD slot... Or are we hardware limited by the camera itself? Or just the SD card? I just got a 60D so I am still pretty new to all this.

The 60D is hardware limited & nothing is going to change this.
However, if you lower the crop factor you will get longer recording times & some settings do upscale very nicely (better than H264 in video mode).
The only set back is that to get continuous RAW recording on the 60D, you have to use a low crop factor that doesn't really upscale any better than the internal H264 video mode.
So you either use short bursts of Raw (which is workable) or use Raw for those detailed shots that video mode can't handle.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmcubepro on January 02, 2014, 05:42:04 PM
anything from a width of 1152 and over, upscales adequately.

look at the bitrate info while you're recording :the closest you are from 22 mb/s , the better your card is.

Dang, 1728x736 would be perfect to record in. I wonder if there is some sort of hardware hack I could wire up to get it to send video quicker than the SD slot... Or are we hardware limited by the camera itself? Or just the SD card? I just got a 60D so I am still pretty new to all this.

besides, your the 60d can't really go over that bitrate: "bottlenecked" , those sneaky people from Canon :p
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on January 03, 2014, 08:42:10 PM
anything from a width of 1152 and over, upscales adequately.

look at the bitrate info while you're recording :the closest you are from 22 mb/s , the better your card is.

besides, your the 60d can't really go over that bitrate: "bottlenecked" , those sneaky people from Canon :p

So there is physically no way for me to go in and modify the processor code to write to a CF card due to actual processor limitations?

EDIT: Also, I am unable to create a New Premiere project from within After Effects, when I hit the Dynamic Link to create a new PP project, it opens the sequence in PP but then says the DNG's contain no information? I am forced to Export the clip from AE into a high bitrate format (after initial tweaking in AE and camera Raw) and then import into Premiere in order to use the quick link to Adobe Speedgrade... Any help regarding this matter?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmcubepro on January 04, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
So there is physically no way for me to go in and modify the processor code to write to a CF card due to actual processor limitations?

EDIT: Also, I am unable to create a New Premiere project from within After Effects, when I hit the Dynamic Link to create a new PP project, it opens the sequence in PP but then says the DNG's contain no information? I am forced to Export the clip from AE into a high bitrate format (after initial tweaking in AE and camera Raw) and then import into Premiere in order to use the quick link to Adobe Speedgrade... Any help regarding this matter?

might be because of premiere's inability to read dng, maybe if the link is started from premiere to after effects, it could work.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on January 04, 2014, 07:27:07 PM
might be because of premiere's inability to read dng, maybe if the link is started from premiere to after effects, it could work.

Premiere Pro received CinemaDNG support back in November, are the DNG files from the .RAW file CinemaDNG files or what? It is just weird the Premiere Pro is slated to work for cameras like BlackMagic Pocket Camera (Might sell my 60D and 50 1.4 to pick one up with all these barriers that I seem to keep hitting :/ .. )

EDIT: Didn't touch on it, but importing the DNG files into PP doesn't work either, the import sequence thinks there is no data in the DNG files, but AE works fine
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: filmcubepro on January 06, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Premiere Pro received CinemaDNG support back in November, are the DNG files from the .RAW file CinemaDNG files or what? It is just weird the Premiere Pro is slated to work for cameras like BlackMagic Pocket Camera (Might sell my 60D and 50 1.4 to pick one up with all these barriers that I seem to keep hitting :/ .. )

EDIT: Didn't touch on it, but importing the DNG files into PP doesn't work either, the import sequence thinks there is no data in the DNG files, but AE works fine

i agree shooting raw is a great feature, but you shouldn't make it you primary objective, its a great tool, the 60d is a very good camera and yes it does have barriers , but all cameras have barriers , you just have to work around it.

you could either wait for a patch from adobe, or change workflow.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on January 06, 2014, 08:52:21 PM
My new 60D raw video:

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on January 09, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
Marekk, what resolution did you record the video in? It looks brilliant, just wondering if it had much up-scaling!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: marekk on January 10, 2014, 11:08:08 AM
1. Recorded with highest possible resolution on 60D with MLV_REC, 1728xXXXX 2,35:1, 24fps, 8 sec. per shot
2. Resized in AE to 1920x818, converted to log using VisionLog color profile, graded with VisionColor OSIRIS, exported to prores.
3. Edited in FCPX.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on January 10, 2014, 11:48:03 PM
Hi Marekk, how did you manage to put vision log on ACR, I followed the instructions but when I open ACR and go to the camera profiles I only see the standard ones.
Any help will be really appreciate.
Thank you in advance.


Edit… I have done , thank you anyway!!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on January 11, 2014, 12:14:17 AM
How do you convert MLV file to dng with a mac?
Thank you.



Edit… I have done , thank you anyway
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Gurido on January 11, 2014, 04:42:52 AM
MLV to DNG -> http://youtu.be/PFaiU7rv1pg (http://youtu.be/PFaiU7rv1pg)

Have not tried it yet, have to download  dump mlv first.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on January 12, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Here's another raw video test with the 60D. Just followed my cat around and put a few clips into a wee 'short film'!

Shot in 1728x736 (2.35:1). Adjusted sharpness, exposure (shadows, highlights, contrast etc.) and a bit of noise reduction.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: NorthlogicVFX on January 13, 2014, 05:03:41 AM
Hey everyone! I have a bunch of questions which propably have been answered a multitude of times in this thread, so please if you can just copy and paste the answers or a link to the right thread where the answers lie, that would be awesome. Here we go.

1. How on earth did the Magic Lantern team enable RAW recording on these cameras? My rationale would be something along the lines that they intercepted the signal before it goes to the image processor, that is where the signal is compressed right?

2. And is this RAW footage 4:4:4, so that it does not contain chroma subsampling at all. Because the definition of RAW seems to vary along different cameras, for example in RED cameras, the so called "RAW" footage is 4:2:2, which isn't actually lossless.

3. I was browsing through the different resolutions and frame rates on the RAW video option, is it therotically possible, if given fast enough card, to record 60fps at a higher resolution than what the camera gives which is 720p? To the extent of my studies, this should be the case. EDIT: Well, the 60D's limit of writing 20 mb/s kinda makes things more difficult. Is there any way even in theory to raise the maximum write speed?

4. Does the nightly builds include the RAW-modules shown in the first page of this post? Because there is RAW-recording available right out of the box when using nightly builds. I tried to download the Update #12 and when I copied it onto my card, the modules failed to load.

Thanks for your help and sorry for any inconvenience which might be caused by these repeating questions.

http://northlogicvfx.com
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: atideno on January 13, 2014, 09:37:38 AM
hi,

if, lets say, i wanted to use the RAW functionality to shoot portraits and get more "in the moment" shots is there anything specifically that you guys would recommend keeping in mind?
Obivously it would just be for further experimentation - seeing if i can get some good in the moment expressions rather than the usual posed smiles. Found some really interesting shots when looking at DNG sequences as individual photographs. Obviously I will never be able to get the same sort of resolutions but still would like to try. Any specific advise that comes to mind? 

Thanks,
Dennis
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on January 14, 2014, 10:32:00 PM
RAW doesn't work on my 60D. Doesn't matter what version build or card or RAW resolution I use. Fails instantly.

This probably works differently on every camera. Don't see any other reason why it's not working.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Walter Schulz on January 14, 2014, 10:41:30 PM
You jump to conclusions without giving information backing up your opinion.
Please be more specific and give us more details.

EDIT: Saw your post about one month ago. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.msg92308#msg92308
Do you have tested your cards performance with an USB 3.0 cardreader running something like CrystalDiskMark?

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on January 15, 2014, 01:02:14 AM
You jump to conclusions without giving information backing up your opinion.
Please be more specific and give us more details.

EDIT: Saw your post about one month ago. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.msg92308#msg92308
Do you have tested your cards performance with an USB 3.0 cardreader running something like CrystalDiskMark?


How do you figure that I jumped to some conclusion? After spending hours testing different combinations of settings, cards, resolutions, Googling and asking questions, I'd hardly call it "jumping to conclusions". I'm certainly not a complete newbie when it comes to stuff like this, but I've literally exhausted all options I was able to find, and still nothing works. I even waited patiently for a month for someone else to give me other recommendations.

I don't have a USB 3.0 anything, but I don't see how that matters after trying 2 different cards that are supposed to read/write (or whatever) at 90/s, and 8 other cards at different speeds and makes, all failed. I've even tried a MicroSD with a converter, still no dice. I've tried disabling RAW on the Canon settings, no dice. I've tried the latest nightly, no dice.

I decided to post again today after trying the most recent build with no success. Error (11), "please report bug" on latest.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 15, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
what happens if you enable frame skipping?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on January 16, 2014, 05:22:24 AM
what happens if you enable frame skipping?

From what I can see, no real difference, except it will continue recording, giving me a count of all the drop frames, which seems like quite a bit, if not all of them. And, on latest nightly, RAW recording will actually yield me .RAW files, but using RAW2DNG, I got no reaction. Using a couple random RAW video players and DaVinci Resolve didn't work either. So, I'm thinking the video files didn't actually record? Not really sure there.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 16, 2014, 02:47:12 PM
From what I can see, no real difference, except it will continue recording, giving me a count of all the drop frames, which seems like quite a bit, if not all of them.

You need to be more specific. What were your settings? Exactly how many frames were recorded/skipped? Does it change when you change the resolution? Use different cards? What about crop mode? Run the card benchmark, what does it say? Did you set the picture quality to S2? What fps are you using? Are you in 1080p24 in the Canon menu? FPS override? GD off? As you change any of those things how does it affect the number of skipped frames?

Quote
And, on latest nightly, RAW recording will actually yield me .RAW files, but using RAW2DNG, I got no reaction. Using a couple random RAW video players and DaVinci Resolve didn't work either. So, I'm thinking the video files didn't actually record? Not really sure there.

What's the file size? raw2dng is a command line tool, so if you're not familiar with the command line, operating it may be challenging, try using one of the many available GUIs for it (search the forum). AFAIK Resolve cannot directly open ML raw files, nor are there any players that I know of (other than MLV player, which is only for mlv_rec created files).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on January 16, 2014, 08:04:47 PM
Thought I'd post another clip this one is 21 seconds long

recording at 1504 wide is nice and easy for framing ha. I decided I will most likely just pick up a BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera and give that a shot and see what happens :D
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: ap2enthu on January 17, 2014, 01:54:07 AM
Used Canon 18-200 lens

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jimharrison.film on January 17, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
Hi All,

I'm after a bit of advice.  I downloaded the latest nightly build and tried raw video with it.  It works fine but I get quite a few dead pixels.

I downloaded update 12 in this thread, but none of the modules will load with the latest nightly build.  I enable every one to load at the next start-up but they all say 'Err' next to them with 'Linking Failed' in the description.

Does anyone know the latest nightly build that works with update 12 or am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 17, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
Does anyone know the latest nightly build that works with update 12 or am I doing something wrong?

Just download and use the nightly (the whole thing, not just the modules). Those custom builds were for testing before 60D raw made it into the nightlies, now it's in the nightlies, so just use them. (Those links probably should just be removed from the OP).
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: 3rdwave on January 20, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
My new 60D raw video:


Great work!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PSimpso on January 20, 2014, 10:15:30 PM
My new 60D raw video:


What Picture Style are you using when shooting raw? Are people usually using the Technicolor profile or does it even matter when shooting raw?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 20, 2014, 10:41:59 PM
What Picture Style are you using when shooting raw? Are people usually using the Technicolor profile or does it even matter when shooting raw?
raw is just that, raw. there is no picture style, there's not even white balance (other than metadata)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: comurit on January 21, 2014, 09:37:55 AM
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raw is just that, raw. there is no picture style, there's not even white balance (other than metadata)

This is completely true, however you can flatten your raw by using a log, in this case vision log gives you a flat image  to start with, then  you can apply a lut.
Have look at this site http://vision-color.com/visionlog/ (http://vision-color.com/visionlog/) and download your vision log if you are using ACR or lightroom.
You can really see the difference, once your log is applied you have to tweak your white balance.
I usually import my files in AE , camera raw opens  with the vision log applied, I start  to edit the white balance, and contrast if needed, that's it.
Once it's ok I export the footage as a prores 444 and I import it into premiere pro for color grading.
I can't run da vinci resolve or speedgrade, my macbook pro isn't powerful enough to run these software, it 's a 15" macbook pro mid 2009 with 8 gb ram and a ssd hard disk. I would have loved to use da vinci resolve but I can't.
In premiere I usually work by adding adjustment layer blending it in an overlay mode, then I put the opacity of the adjustment layer to 50%.
It all depends what kind of look you want to give to your footage, if I want to tweak it further I add colorista 2 on the footage and adjust shadows, highlights and midtone, if needed I use a mask too and  a little bit of sharpness too.
I hope this will help someone, please feel free to share your post processing.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on January 24, 2014, 09:47:38 PM
You need to be more specific. What were your settings? Exactly how many frames were recorded/skipped? Does it change when you change the resolution? Use different cards? What about crop mode? Run the card benchmark, what does it say? Did you set the picture quality to S2? What fps are you using? Are you in 1080p24 in the Canon menu? FPS override? GD off? As you change any of those things how does it affect the number of skipped frames?
 
What's the file size? raw2dng is a command line tool, so if you're not familiar with the command line, operating it may be challenging, try using one of the many available GUIs for it (search the forum). AFAIK Resolve cannot directly open ML raw files, nor are there any players that I know of (other than MLV player, which is only for mlv_rec created files).


Hey! Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry about the late reply. Been trying to get everything together for a comprehensive test. This is what I have..

1. The only card that worked was a 32GB card running at 80MB/s. Again, I know the whole read/write thing. I'm just stating what I'm reading off the card itself.
2. I ran benchmark on the above (only that works) card, and it yielded the maximum read/write speed of the camera itself, which is 20-21MB/s.
3. I enabled frame skipping, and well, I don't remember the exact number, but for a clip about 20 seconds (about 650MB in size) skipped about 350 frames on the max resolution. At 720p, I was still getting drops, but a bit less. Around 200+ frames.
4. I've tried various different picture qualities. I removed RAW completely, I removed jpg completely, lowered them both as well. Didn't make any difference. None that I was able to see anyways.
5. I film in 24fps. Nothing else.
6. The file size is about 650MB for a 20 something second clip. I followed the workflow for Raw2Dng, and this is what I get every single time: "This ain't a lv_rec RAW file". The file name will clearly show .RAW at the end of the file. I've tried a couple players that are supposed to read .RAW files off a Canon camera, it displays this colorful white noise.
7. Sorry. Haven't tried the fps override or the GD settings. Yet. Figured this would be enough information to proceed.

I've tested on every single nightly going back a week now. I know some of them got updated, and some haven't. I get the same results across the board.

Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.


EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT

Okay. So I tried the below things and it was able to be read by RAW2DNG and it was able to spit out all the DNG files. That said, it gives me like 70 DNG files for a 30 second clip.

I enabled the fps override. I'm not sure about the specific of the setting itself, but I turned it on and tried a few different things. If I keep it at 2.5, it'll record with the GREEN video camera. If I put it at 24, it'll record with the RED camera. Not really sure what the difference is. The RED produced a .RAW file that was larger and more DNG files came from it. I'm not sure what "DG settings" are.

Would someone kindly share all the details of their settings for maximum quality? Some of the videos of the 60D raw I've seen are absolutely stunning.

I'm running the latest version of CC7 and nothing, including After Effects, Premiere Pro, Lightroom or Photoshop 14.2 can read the DNG files. I keep getting a file format error and I'm almost positive I have the RAW update installed. "Photoshop cannot open this file. If you are attempting to open a raw file from a digital camera, make sure you have the latest Camera Raw update installed via Help>Update....".

I've even tried the below two:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5694 and http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5495

The codec didn't work and the converter wouldn't recognize the DNG files that RAW2DNG produced. According to this: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows the last update came out almost 2 years ago. Am I reading that wrong? I'm guessing those are standalone updates. More recent ones use the CC Application Manager to update. But since either the codec, nor the converter worked, it's leading me to believe the DNG files produced have something wrong with them.

Thanks again! I'm getting closer and closer each time!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Hairuku on January 26, 2014, 09:02:25 PM
This may or may be more off topic than anything, but Intel recently announced their new Intel "Edision" project, of an SD sized computer http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/edison.html (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/edison.html)

It would be interesting if we could somehow utilize this processing for something like AA?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 27, 2014, 01:16:28 AM
I enabled the fps override. I'm not sure about the specific of the setting itself, but I turned it on and tried a few different things. If I keep it at 2.5, it'll record with the GREEN video camera. If I put it at 24, it'll record with the RED camera. Not really sure what the difference is. The RED produced a .RAW file that was larger and more DNG files came from it.
Do you not understand what frame rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate) is?

Did you put the camera in 1080p24 in the Canon menu?

Also, it sounds like you have more than one camera? Is that what you mean by RED and GREEN?
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: Kurtzva on January 27, 2014, 02:00:19 AM
Do you not understand what frame rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate) is?

Did you put the camera in 1080p24 in the Canon menu?

Also, it sounds like you have more than one camera? Is that what you mean by RED and GREEN?

Yes. I know exactly what frame rate is and how it works. How exactly was that helpful?

Yes. Canon menu settings were on 1080p 24fps. That said, I've tried it on 720p 24fps, as well as the lowest at 60fps. I wasn't seeing any difference.

No. I only have the one Canon 60D. The Red/Orange/Greed are the colors of the little icon while recording in RAW. I'm guessing they are 3 different states of recording, one more optimum than the other.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 27, 2014, 03:31:28 AM
I'm sorry I didn't understand, what you wrote you made it sound like you didn't understand what FPS override did, and you seemed surprised that different fps would have a different file size and different number of frames. It also wasn't clear what you meant by "it recorded with the green camera". You are apparently talking about the recording indicator, but that wasn't clear from your original post.

I cannot read you mind.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on January 27, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
So I have ML Raw working perfectly on my Canon 60D on one SD card (SanDisk Extreme 45mb/s) but I recently bought a new one (SanDisk Extreme Pro 95mb/s) and it doesn't want to work properly.

I'm pretty sure that I installed it the same way on both cards. The problem is that the raw_rec module won't load (as well as the other modules):

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6h439Tt.png%3F1&hash=5b00ecadc19c46ad2442536f5a38ab34)

Any solutions?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on January 27, 2014, 09:55:23 PM
I'm pretty sure that I installed it the same way on both cards. The problem is that the raw_rec module won't load (as well as the other modules):

Any solutions?

update to the most recent build, that one looks really old
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: PaulC on January 28, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
I'll maybe try that. Although, it just randomly started working anyway! Thanks.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: leandroprz on January 29, 2014, 06:51:21 AM
Quick question guys. To upgrade from stable v2.3, do I just delete the old files and copy the new ones to the card?

Thanks
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jimharrison.film on January 30, 2014, 11:15:55 PM
Quick question guys. To upgrade from stable v2.3, do I just delete the old files and copy the new ones to the card?

Thanks

Yes, I got a bit confused by all the updates at the beginning of this thread. All you need to do is copy the latest nightly build for the 60D onto your card, replacing any files it asks permission to.
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: jimharrison.film on January 30, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
Here's my first proper Raw Video with the 60D. The town I live in floods every year so I thought I'd capture it:
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: philot on February 03, 2014, 05:37:46 PM
Anyone else noticing that the shots seem properly exposed on the camera and then underexposed when your editing? You then have to brig up the exposure which creates more noise.

Same here, i found the same observation in a couple of comments but no proper explanation. I mean - I certainly do know how to fix this in post, but I couldn't really figure if this is a GENERAL problem affecting all cameras or a 60D specific issue.

I tried different lenses and different settings but on the computer the footage is always underexposed compared to the camera.
Is there a workaround??

Any hint would be appreciated!
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on February 03, 2014, 06:15:46 PM
don't trust what you see on the screen, the YUV data doesn't acurately represent the data in the raw footage, expose to the right using the raw histogram/zebras/autoettr/etc.

expect to be doing some amount of grading in post (that's the point anyway!), if you're in a hurry and don't want to grade, raw is not for you.

see: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10289
(his problem is about silent picture, but raw_rec is nothing more than continuous silent pictures, so a1ex's advice applies here too)
Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: philot on February 03, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Thanks for your reply!

I wasnt specific enough earlier: I am aware of the fact that the camera screen is not representative for the RAW video output. But as you already named the RAW histogram - I actually stuck to expose to the right but the histogram at adobe camera raw wouldnt show an identic curve but go 2-3 stops down (which in practical terms is not a problem as 2-3 stops down would actually represent the correct exposure, its just that its not what the camera histogram showed).
The YUV-exposure meter is a good point and probably the answer to my question.
So the RAW histogram in ML is more like an approximation as it still depends on the values of the yuv-exposure meter?

Autoettr is not available for the 60D.

Title: Re: 60D RAW video - it's working !!!
Post by: dmilligan on February 03, 2014, 10:57:09 PM
I wasnt specific enough earlier: I am aware of the fact that the camera screen is not representative for the RAW video output. But as you already named the RAW histogram -