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Title: 50D Raw video
Post by: Andy600 on May 22, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Updated install instructions here:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9852.0
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: smeangol on May 23, 2013, 03:34:14 AM
Updated install instructions here:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9852.0
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 24, 2013, 12:38:07 AM
I'm ready  :D ...well I will be when I get a CF card  :(

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacmE2Sze.jpg&hash=b3d042eea5abb41ff35a7afc25257307)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 24, 2013, 01:09:27 AM
Looking forward to the results! I'm in the process of trying to find a cheap 50D ;)

Smeagol, you got it actually working? Could you upload a clip or some dng's?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 24, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
Just got the KomputerBay 64GB 1000x Card. Here's the bench mark test results for the 50D:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fayw9fiblyzxvtaw%2F50D1000xTEST.BMP&hash=8cab68773313d357b03c3c8864ff83fc)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayw9fiblyzxvtaw/50D1000xTEST.BMP (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayw9fiblyzxvtaw/50D1000xTEST.BMP)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 24, 2013, 02:12:04 AM
Just got the KomputerBay 64GB 1000x Card. Here's the bench mark test results for the 50D:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fayw9fiblyzxvtaw%2F50D1000xTEST.BMP&hash=8cab68773313d357b03c3c8864ff83fc)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayw9fiblyzxvtaw/50D1000xTEST.BMP (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayw9fiblyzxvtaw/50D1000xTEST.BMP)

Not bad. I think the 50d must have the same CF controller as the 5d2 but the file sizes are smaller. The Komputerbay card looks good. At those rates it's not far off being able to record the 1:1 crop size in 14bit and if/when they get the 12 bit compression working the 50d will probably be able to do it all. I'm glad I grabbed one now :)

Have you tried @smeangols latest build (2nd post in this thread)?


@JulianH - it's a great time to buy one if you can ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 24, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
Not bad. I think the 50d must have the same CF controller as the 5d2 but the file sizes are smaller. The Komputerbay card looks good. At those rates it's not far off being able to record the 1:1 crop size in 14bit and if/when they get the 12 bit compression working the 50d will probably be able to do it all. I'm glad I grabbed one now :)

Have you tried @smeangols latest build (2nd post in this thread)?


@JulianH - it's a great time to buy one if you can ;)

Trying it now . . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 24, 2013, 02:57:45 AM
Trying it now . . . .

Wow! Beautifully clean images at 1592x720. No dropped frames all the way to the 4GB file either!. Man, If we could only get the magenta shift fixed and larger than 4GB files!

Will try other crops later.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on May 24, 2013, 07:57:36 AM
Post some sample DNGs showing the magenta shift.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 24, 2013, 11:21:34 AM
Wow! Beautifully clean images at 1592x720. No dropped frames all the way to the 4GB file either!. Man, If we could only get the magenta shift fixed and larger than 4GB files!

Will try other crops later.
Great! Could you try 1280x1080 or 1280x960? I'm hoping this will work, would be great for 2x anamorphic at 2560x1080 (2,37:1) or 2560x960 (2,66:1).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 24, 2013, 11:45:03 AM
@menoc - Excellent! The magenta shift sounds like the black point issue.

@a1ex - Is the black point problem in the raw_rec module or the .bin? I can compile now BTW :)

@smeangol - once this is sorted you should submit a pull request ;) Sounds like you're close!

I wish my CF card would hurry up and be delivered
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on May 24, 2013, 11:54:07 AM
Black point will be correct only if the raw skip offsets (in raw.c) are correct. Otherwise, the calculation will be wrong.

If you post a DNG, I can tell if the offsets are correct or not.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 24, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Black point will be correct only if the raw skip offsets (in raw.c) are correct. Otherwise, the calculation will be wrong.

If you post a DNG, I can tell if the offsets are correct or not.

I've sent you @smeangol's raw.c if that helps? He has created a fork on Bitbucket but not added his changes to it atm. I have a copy of his source though.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 24, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
Picking up a 50D tomorrow. Right now i'm using a friends 5D II with a Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95MB/s (works fine with the max speed of the 5D II somewhere around 60MB/s). Will benchmark that in the 50D and try do do some 5DII vs 50D tests if I get everything running on the 50D :)

Raw video on a 5 year old dslr from before the hdslr era. Would have laughed everyone in the face if they told me this a month ago. Absolutely bonkers  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 24, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
Really easy to find the skips... set them all to 0 in raw.c.. take some silent DNG. Count black borders in phtoshop
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on May 25, 2013, 12:17:00 AM
Hi, I guess this is the typical n00b trolling first post ^^. I will get a 50d tomorrow for RAW video, any reason I should stay away?

Could anyone tell me if the quality is similar to the 5dmkii. I'm asking because I have a d800 and I have been comparing it to the raw shoots of the 5dmkii and they look a lot better indeed, so if the 50d will have the same quality it's defenitly a nice thing to have (despite 1.6x crop). Since I need the d800 I won't jump ships and this seems a cheap way to have an alternative for those shots that make me yell at the d800.

Excuse my manners, I got so excited.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 12:26:03 AM
We don't know yet. The sensor size is different to the 5d2 and I'm not yet sure how this will affect things like moire and aliasing. Raw video on the 50d is very much a work-in-progress as is the 5d2 version. I'm going to shoot some tests this weekend and do a comparison with the 600d. I know which one will win but by how much?  ::)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 25, 2013, 12:29:32 AM
I know which one will win but by how much?  ::)
Stop making me jealous! ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: smeangol on May 25, 2013, 12:29:48 AM
@alex

http://www.smeangol.com/000026.dng

This is a dng from a "zoomed in like X5 or X10" shot - in this mode you get a 1920 X 1080 style frame - but it doesnt work perfectly :/
The Normal not cropped /zoomed LV mode should ~ 1500 X 1000 work without disturbance.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on May 25, 2013, 12:48:24 AM
@alex

http://www.smeangol.com/000026.dng

This is a dng from a "zoomed in like X5 or X10" shot - in this mode you get a 1920 X 1080 style frame - but it doesnt work perfectly :/
The Normal not cropped /zoomed LV mode should ~ 1500 X 1000 work without disturbance.
Thanks smeangol, do you have any sample dng of the 1500x1000 "crop".
I have a sample posted here on the forums taken with silent shutter which is 1592x1062 and even with the visible aliasing/lineskipping it looks great, even upscaling it to 1920x1080 it looks way better than 1080p h264 footage from my d800, I mean, just the fact of  being able to use ACR on video makes me the happiest man on the world (I'm not a real video guy, I come from stills but people want video).

This raw recording is from the same source as the silent shutter, I suppose.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: smeangol on May 25, 2013, 01:21:38 AM
Zoom LV with Resolution of 1992X1084 seems to be far less disturbed: http://www.smeangol.com/1992x1084_seq.zip
First few frames are rubbish, the recording ends with some dropped frames due my lame CF Card.

Quote
Thanks smeangol, do you have any sample dng of the 1500x1000 "crop".
This resolution belongs to the normal field of view :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on May 25, 2013, 02:05:09 AM
Zoom LV with Resolution of 1992X1084 seems to be far less disturbed: http://www.smeangol.com/1992x1084_seq.zip
First few frames are rubbish, the recording ends with some dropped frames due my lame CF Card.
This resolution belongs to the normal field of view :)
Yea ;) that's why I said "crop", just wanted to know if you had any "screen grab" sample of that mode.
Downloading your sequence to give it a try on AE, btw what card did you use? Thanks for the sample btw :D

I loaded up your dngs in After effects and beside the corrupt images the score seems to be yellowish (after adjusting white balance tint), is it the lighting?
Btw that magenta shift menoc is talking about, is it the wb issue or is he referring to the corrupted magenta colored frames.
I'll make test with different settings if it helps when I got the 50d (ich hab' keine ahnung von programmieren)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 25, 2013, 02:51:22 AM
OK,

Komputerbay 64GB 1000x CF card benchmarks;
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacrP0LHK.png&hash=f4e412a485cc21c47ecdf50926ef9e8a)

@ 1592x1062, writing to the card stops after about 50 frames; @ 1592x960, writing to the card drops frames but writes to 4GB; @ 1592x840, writing to the card drops frames but writes to 4GB; @ 1592x720, the 1st try stopped at 100 frames, the 2nd try wrote a 4GB fie without any frames dropped; @ 1280x720, writing to the card finishes the 4GB file without dropping frames.

Here you can download the sample DNGs:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnjjdzbi1s9g4xy/000023-1592x1062.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o073davr3x3z0c7/000009-1592x960.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3674mdktlsfq1g/000027-1592x840.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k9h8o3d0axyibq/000095-1592x720.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbt34r1ziuscjva/000040-1280x720.dng

Here's a sample image with the pink tint - is this fixable? (it's really not a big deal- it's easily fixed in post). There's also a black line running vertically on the left side of the image - but you have to download one of the DNGs to see it.

ISO 320/F3.5/23.988FPS
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FactFZMZS.jpg&hash=a7443bfe13e76428fec65c89598ad55c)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Greg on May 25, 2013, 03:21:52 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnjjdzbi1s9g4xy/000023-1592x1062.dng

dng has a black frame, resolution should be 1590x1060
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on May 25, 2013, 03:49:50 AM
[spoiler]OK,

Komputerbay 64GB 1000x CF card benchmarks;
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacrP0LHK.png&hash=f4e412a485cc21c47ecdf50926ef9e8a)

@ 1592x1062, writing to the card stops after about 50 frames; @ 1592x960, writing to the card drops frames but writes to 4GB; @ 1592x840, writing to the card drops frames but writes to 4GB; @ 1592x720, the 1st try stopped at 100 frames, the 2nd try wrote a 4GB fie without any frames dropped; @ 1280x720, writing to the card finishes the 4GB file without dropping frames.

Here you can download the sample DNGs:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnjjdzbi1s9g4xy/000023-1592x1062.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o073davr3x3z0c7/000009-1592x960.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3674mdktlsfq1g/000027-1592x840.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k9h8o3d0axyibq/000095-1592x720.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbt34r1ziuscjva/000040-1280x720.dng

Here's a sample image with the pink tint - is this fixable? (it's really not a big deal- it's easily fixed in post). There's also a black line running vertically on the left side of the image - but you have to download one of the DNGs to see it.

ISO 320/F3.5/23.988FPS
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FactFZMZS.jpg%5B%2Fspoiler%5D&hash=38e48bf4e8bdfaba9e63d6934a1d9166)
Nice samples!
Could you try using less horizontal resolution and keeping the 16:9 aspect. 1427x802 should have the same pixel number as 1592x720, dunno if magic lantern lets you set that akward resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 25, 2013, 03:53:47 AM
dng has a black frame, resolution should be 1590x1060

 . . . I'm guessing the top and Left black frames?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: smeangol on May 25, 2013, 11:24:01 AM
I created a fork of magic lantern featuring the Raw video for 50D - how to merge with the main project?
https://bitbucket.org/smeangol/magic-lantern
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
@araucaria - I think the latest raw_rec module selects height based on selected aspect ratio.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on May 25, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
@araucaria - I think the latest raw_rec module selects height based on selected aspect ratio.
Thanks andy, but will it let you choose the horizontal resolution and select the hight following the aspect ratio?

@menoc What spped benchmark values are you getting with the komputerbay in liveview/movie mode rather than in playback?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 25, 2013, 05:39:59 PM
Managed to trade my old 5D for the 50D and cash :)

I got raw recording working. Did a benchmark of Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95MB/s in live view, but it doesn't seem to close the benchmark properly. I can't seem to find a log of bmp of the results. Where should it be?

Maximum seems to be around 50MB/s for continuous recording (with my card).

My results (how can I determine exactly at which frame skipping starts?):
Shot at 24 fps (didn't find a setting for 23.975..)

1592x1062 - frame skipping after about 50 frames (67.7MB/s)
1592x840 - frame skipping after about 480 frames (53.5MB/s)
1592x720 - no frame skipping (44.3MB/s)

1320x1062 - frame skipping after about 300 frames (56.1MB/s)
1320x960 - frame skipping after about 1200 frames (50.7MB/s)
1320x840 - no frame skipping (44.3MB/s)

1280x1062 - frame skipping after about 250 frames (54.4 MB/s)
1280x960 - no frame skipping (49.2MB/s)


The 50D did crash 2 times during my tests. Think it happened just after I pressed recording. Nothing happened, screen would stay on, had to take the battery out.

Big thanks to all of you amazing people making this possible. Shooting raw video on a 5 year old dslr... it's still hard to believe!  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 25, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Sample footage! shot some boring bricks to test for moire. Looks pretty good to me. I have the feeling it's better than the 5DII... Would have to check in a direct comparison though.

Download here (WeTransfer) (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/9601255fb2b189b37b4b0d44cb0194c320130525170445/0fc5fb145e9213a3c61911886b4a751d20130525170445/70564c)

Some exported sequences and some DNG files to play with. All the info in the readme.txt.

1592x840 @ 24 fps - Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 @ f/8
1280x960 @ 24 fps - Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 + Kowa B&H 2x anamorphic - Stretched to 2560x960 in Premiere
And a sharpened 1920x720 version of that last one.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Thanks Julian :)

Looking good. I had a suspicion the 50d might beat the 5d2 in terms of aliasing because of the smaller sensor size and that looks to be the case. I think there are still some bugs to iron out with black point etc but great to know it's working for you. I feel like a stuck record but my CF still isn't here so can't do anything. Frustrating excitement :D

I think these shots are good enough to prove the 50d is probably second only to the 5d3 for raw video even though the frame sizes are smaller than the 5d2.

The anamorphic lens seems to work very nicely and I think raw dimensions can be pushed even further.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 25, 2013, 08:22:57 PM
No problem! Let me know if you or someone else want me to do some other tests. I'm not a coder but not completely stupid I think.

A bit more resolution would be nice. 1592x840 without skipped frames would be perfect for 1920x1080p I think. Pretty sure it's more detailed than native 1080p on Canon dslr's. Stable 1280x1062 would be nice for 2x anamorphic and for 1,5x anamorphic something like 1536x960 would be awesome. But I'm not complaining at all with the current possibilities!

Can understand your excitement. When I heard of this raw hack, I had to try it. The 5D3 looks great, but out of my budget. I would consider the 5D2, but not cheap either and the quality isn't perfect. Not that the 50D is perfect, but for this kind of money it's amazing to have the possibility to shoot raw.

I have a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera on pre-order, but I'll seriously consider cancelling it if the 50D turns out to be usable. For me it's just a hobby anyway.

Now I just need some new badges for my camera..  :P

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fgallery_20742_64_61847.jpg&hash=d88ce3caa08c1e18714e2c092f97d1f5)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 08:42:37 PM
Ha! Love it...  ;D

I'm not a coder either but I can compile and pull changes. I can also understand some of the less technical updates that are being done by the developers so I'm going to make a fork on Bitbucket and will try to sync with @smeangol. I will only upload things I have tried myself and we should keep the first post in this topic for updates. Eventually we will submit changes to be reviewed by the devs for the unified build.

Mods - Can you please move this thread to the new ports board? (I know technically the 50d is part of the unified ML but there is still a lot to do)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ilex on May 25, 2013, 09:23:35 PM
...And wath's about the humble, older and Ugly Duckling 40D  :'(
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 09:27:43 PM
Sample footage! shot some boring bricks to test for moire. Looks pretty good to me. I have the feeling it's better than the 5DII... Would have to check in a direct comparison though.

Download here (WeTransfer) (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/9601255fb2b189b37b4b0d44cb0194c320130525170445/0fc5fb145e9213a3c61911886b4a751d20130525170445/70564c)

Some exported sequences and some DNG files to play with. All the info in the readme.txt.

1592x840 @ 24 fps - Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 @ f/8
1280x960 @ 24 fps - Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 + Kowa B&H 2x anamorphic - Stretched to 2560x960 in Premiere
And a sharpened 1920x720 version of that last one.
 

Great Video JulianH the images coming out of the 50D looks great.. also like your new logo ML + C lol..  Looking for a 50D right now gotta get my hand on one.  From your experience with the 50D thank it's real close to the 5D Mark III?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
...And wath's about the humble, older and Ugly Duckling 40D  :'(

It seems a possibility but the whole 40d port needs resurrecting by someone.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
@goldenchild9to5 sorry, I know you asked this to Julian but it's an easy question to answer. In terms of colour yes, resolution no but it's looking as good, if not better than the 5d2 because of moire and aliasing.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 25, 2013, 09:38:40 PM
Lol 50Dc... yep everyone is peeing on 1DC right now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 09:43:46 PM
@goldenchild9to5 sorry, I know you asked this to Julian but it's an easy question to answer. In terms of colour yes, resolution no but it's looking as good, if not better than the 5d2 because of moire and aliasing.

Good enough answer for me.. on par with 5D2 without Aliasing and Moire I'm in..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 09:44:50 PM
Lol 50Dc... yep everyone is peeing on 1DC right now.

The 1DC is surely getting a beating from all those Hacks.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Lol 50Dc... yep everyone is peeing on 1DC right now.

The 1DC images look great but I know what I'd rather have atm (and what I can afford... stupid bloody price!). TBH, like nearly everyone else, anything I shoot will only ever end up on Vimeo or Youtube and maybe some low-level public access TV if I'm lucky :D

...but still, it's all fun isn't it!? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 09:51:06 PM
@goldenchild9to5 - I never said it was without moire and aliasing. ATM we don't know for sure. There IS some present in the samples JulianH posted but not as much as most of the 5d2 tests I've seen.

BTW TV has coped with moire, aliasing and the dreaded interlaced format for many years. You can simply avoid shooting the things that are prone to it or shoot with a shallower DOF to blur out the culprits ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 25, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
...but still, it's all fun isn't it!?
Yes! And raw videos make about 263.45 times more fun than H.264 ;D

Poor guys that bought a Nikon because of the dynamic range ...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 10:20:31 PM
Yes! And raw videos make about 263.45 times more fun than H.264 ;D

Poor guys that bought a Nikon because of the dynamic range ...

Right about that..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 10:23:54 PM
Got a question for everybody on this post what does that mean "18492 actuations on the shutter" some are even Higher like 160876 actuations on the shutter does it matter for Raw video?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
That's shutter count (the amount of times the shutter has opened and closed). 100k is the projected life of most Canon DSLR shutters.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
@goldenchild9to5 - I never said it was without moire and aliasing. ATM we don't know for sure. There IS some present in the samples JulianH posted but not as much as most of the 5d2 tests I've seen.

BTW TV has coped with moire, aliasing and the dreaded interlaced format for many years. You can simply avoid shooting the things that are prone to it or shoot with a shallower DOF to blur out the culprits ;)

So true the viewers don't care about all that, they just wanna see a great story told..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 10:46:03 PM
That's shutter count (the amount of times the shutter has opened and closed). 100k is the projected life of most Canon DSLR shutters.
  so after 100K the camera will breakdown? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
Not necessarily. It can happen before it reaches 100k  ;D

No one knows how long their shutter will last. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 25, 2013, 10:54:19 PM
If you plan to use it for filming, a high shutter count isn't a big problem, since you won't be using the shutter/mirror. You only use it to enter and exit live view. I wouldn't buy a 50D that has 160000 shots on the shutter... that might break down any time (it might get to 300000 too, you just never know...).

If the shutter 'breaks' that also doesn't necessarily mean you can't use the camera any more. I think most of the time it will result in your photos looking weird, because the shutter is not working/syncing correctly. That shouldn't stop you from taking movies.

Also you can get the shutter unit replaced. I think here in Europe that would cost like €150, depends on the camera/service center. Not sure if they still have spare parts for old models like the 50D...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 11:03:00 PM
Not necessarily. It can happen before it reaches 100k  ;D

No one knows how long their shutter will last.

So it's not safe to buy one that's close to 100K.  What would happen when your shutter reaches it's limits does that effect video recording in any way?  Just wanna make sure cause I'm about to make a purchase. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
If you plan to use it for filming, a high shutter count isn't a big problem, since you won't be using the shutter/mirror. You only use it to enter and exit live view. I wouldn't buy a 50D that has 160000 shots on the shutter... that might break down any time (it might get to 300000 too, you just never know...).

If the shutter 'breaks' that also doesn't necessarily mean you can't use the camera any more. I think most of the time it will result in your photos looking weird, because the shutter is not working/syncing correctly. That shouldn't stop you from taking movies.

Also you can get the shutter unit replaced. I think here in Europe that would cost like €150, depends on the camera/service center. Not sure if they still have spare parts for old models like the 50D...
 

Great info gonna shop around for one with minimal Shutter use thanks you all for answering my questions.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 11:24:01 PM
There is no way to check shutter count in the camera unless ML is installed but you can use this utility: http://astrojargon.net/eosinfo.aspx
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 25, 2013, 11:30:24 PM
There is no way to check shutter count in the camera unless ML is installed but you can use this utility: http://astrojargon.net/eosinfo.aspx

So all those postings on ebay with a shutter # than are just a guess, but shutter doesn't really matter for video recording like Julian said. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 11:32:21 PM
It's better to have a shutter that works. It's a camera :D

If shutter count hasn't been taken from ML or another app then it will likely be just an estimate by the seller who is guessing how many shots they took. They guy I got mine from said shutter count was around 12k when it's actually 22k.

My advice would be to ask the seller what they usually shoot. If they say sports, run away. The 50d can shoot 6.3fps raw (photo) and sports photography usually involves a lot of burst shooting. Each time that shutter goes up and down it counts and 6.3x every second is a lot. Anything under 50-60k is probably a safe bet for a 4 year old camera, obviously the smaller the number, the better.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 25, 2013, 11:57:42 PM
50d users: What picture size are you using ATM? Raw/Sraw1/Sraw2/Jpeg etc. Try changing it then check shoot_malloc, does it alter available memory?

Does raw video work in raw and jpeg modes?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 12:18:01 AM
50d users: What picture size are you using ATM? Raw/Sraw1/Sraw2/Jpeg etc. Try changing it then check shoot_malloc, does it alter available memory?

Does raw video work in raw and jpeg modes?
I have raw disabled and jpg set to small with lowest quality. Raw video works.
Shoot_malloc total = 212M

Other settings and Shoot_malloc:
Raw = 188M
Raw + JPG = 188M
Sraw1 = 188M
Sraw2 = 188M
JPG L Fine = 212M
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
Thanks Julian :)

Useful info! Can you see what the shoot_malloc reads in jpeg mode with Global Draw on and off?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 12:41:36 AM
Thanks Julian :)

Useful info! Can you see what the shoot_malloc reads in jpeg mode with Global Draw on and off?
Seems to be the same. 212M, on and off. Is that possible?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 12:45:10 AM
Hmmm  ???

I'm not sure. I'm just starting to get my head around some of the code and looking at where things can be improved (I'm no expert). I think there should be a change.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 12:52:11 AM
I'm doing an iso/low light test and I just can't believe what I'm seeing... H2 is too good to be true :o
Going to double, triple check and will share the results...

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 01:02:14 AM
Guy's what card is advisable to use with the 50D? is the 90mb/s cards good enough?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 01:03:08 AM
I'm doing an iso/low light test and I just can't believe what I'm seeing... H2 is too good to be true :o
Going to double, triple check and will share the results...

That means the low light capabilities is awesome right?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: moomilk on May 26, 2013, 01:12:19 AM
Guy's what card is advisable to use with the 50D? is the 90mb/s cards good enough?
That is the question that I'm about at the moment too, so from my thoughts, the fastest CF will be the better, it is only Toshiba 1066x that will be an overkill, as the 50D controller tops near 133Mb/s, so we can speak of around 120Mb/s real world write speed capability, as a result most of current high speed cards should perform near their max. specs.
By the way what 90Mb/s cards exactly were you refering to? By that speed you meant write or read speed? As 90Mb/s read speed cards are usually top at write ~50-60Mb/s only.

Just thought if LV mode is limiting the write speeds, maybe it will be also worth making a RAW video mode not involving the LV at all, for videos with static camera postion that could mean a higher res possibilities.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 01:23:00 AM
That is exactly the question that I'm about at the moment too, so from my thoughts, the fastest CF will be the better, it is only Toshiba 1066x that will be an overkill, as the 50D controller tops near 133Mb/s, so we can speak of around 120Mb/s real world write speed capability here as a result most of current high speed cards should perform at their max. specs.
By the way what 90Mb/s cards exactly were you refering to, by that speed you meant write or read speed? As 90Mb/s read speed cards are usually top at write ~50-60Mb/s only.

Just thought if LV mode is limiting the write speeds, maybe it will be also worth making a RAW video mode not involving the LV at all, for videos with static camera postion that could mean a higher res possibilities.

So the 90mb/s card are a no go than, on Amazon the 32gb version is going for $134 trying to keep it within budget with memory cards.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 01:29:43 AM
Try to get a Komputerbay 1000x 64GB card. They are popular with the 5D3 shooters which need maximum speeds. It is one of the cheapest fast cards. More on mem cards here: http://www.eoshd.com/content/10433/which-compact-flash-cards-for-5d-mark-iii-raw-video
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: moomilk on May 26, 2013, 01:43:34 AM
Yeah for the price Komputerbay 64Gb seems to be the way to go, the only thing is that they can differ in speed a bit from card to card.
I wonder if Transcend 32Gb 1000x (priced about 120$ now) will be able to perform better, and reach the advertised 120Mb/s write speed.
Anyone seen any benches of it on 5D markII or 50d?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Jehan on May 26, 2013, 01:51:25 AM
Hi all,

I've been skimming through this thread. Am I to understand that the 50d raw video performance are better with the 50d than with the 600d for instance?
If I understood well, you got pretty high resolution for raw videos at 24 fps, much higher than what the 600d is getting currently with ML.

I have been searching the web for which model to buy, and I was getting set on the 600d. But if you had to choose, would you say that the 50d is the one to go with? I can find some 50d at about the same price, or even cheaper than the 600d.
And globally is it the best for raw video in this range of price (so excluding the 5d series which are much more expensive)?
Thanks all for the great work on Magic Lantern! :-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 01:55:35 AM
@Jehan - I've got both (600d and 50d) and for raw video there is no competition. 50d hands down! It's really the only one in this price range. Just waiting to test against a 5d2. I think it might beat that too ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 02:29:27 AM
http://www.eoshd.com/content/10507/it-lives-5-year-old-350-canon-50d-becomes-raw-cinema-monster  8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 02:32:30 AM
http://www.eoshd.com/content/10507/it-lives-5-year-old-350-canon-50d-becomes-raw-cinema-monster  8)
Haha, expect 50D prices to rise now...
Great to be the 'cause' of this article, thanks to all of you guys!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 02:37:46 AM
Good stuff Julian :)

Kudos and appreciation to the devs and of course @smeangol who is working on this port.

BTW Julian, I'm pretty sure the CF will reach about 88MB/s write speed (at least) before maxing out. Might be more, dunno yet.

Anyway, time for some sleep for me. Looking forward to seeing your low light footage!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 02:43:31 AM
Yes.. sleep indeed. Expect the footage tomorrow with more tests.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 02:48:27 AM
Try to get a Komputerbay 1000x 64GB card. They are popular with the 5D3 shooters which need maximum speeds. It is one of the cheapest fast cards. More on mem cards here: http://www.eoshd.com/content/10433/which-compact-flash-cards-for-5d-mark-iii-raw-video

Thanks for letting me know.. it's really cheap comparing it to the others Komputerbay it is than. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 02:50:09 AM
@Jehan - I've got both (600d and 50d) and for raw video there is no competition. 50d hands down! It's really the only one in this price range. Just waiting to test against a 5d2. I think it might beat that too ;)

That's a real big statement beating the 5D Mark II thank goodness I got me a 50D..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 03:43:02 AM
Guy's just found a great deal on an almost new 50D excited placed my order, can't wait for it to get here. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 11:13:21 AM
Guy's just found a great deal on an almost new 50D excited placed my order, can't wait for it to get here.

Congrats!  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 12:19:56 PM

Here is my iso test! download the original file.. Amazing results, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 12:27:56 PM
@JulianH - There's the proof! The 50d is a winner in low light :o Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 26, 2013, 12:30:54 PM

Here is my iso test! download the original file.. Amazing results, if you ask me.

AMAZING !!! Looking for one 50D for my self  =DD
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 12:47:45 PM
The 1st post in this thread has been updated  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 01:05:17 PM
Can you believe that this camera was released BEFORE the 5d MkII?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on May 26, 2013, 01:49:12 PM
I've been meaning to start using the ML hack for some time but never got around to it. Then I read about the ML HDR video feature, and this really got my attention, because I thought it was potentially a very noticeable way to change the apparent DR of Canon video compared to stock H.264. But now raw video has appeared and I've decided I can't stay out of this thing any longer! After recently reading nice things about the Nikon D5200 I thought I would get one of those next for video, but a few days ago I bought a second hand 50D instead, purely for raw shooting. I already have a 550D and 60D, so didn't plan on getting another crop Canon this year, but the price (at the moment at least) is almost disposable - I paid £330 for a body described by the seller as almost like new. It should arrive some time next week and I also ordered a KomputerBay 64 GB 1000x CF card. Hopefully, you guys can help me start experimenting with this exciting new development. Many thanks for your inspiring work here.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
@TrueIndigo - A warm welcome to the club! We're here to help :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 26, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
Other example with 50D. Found in http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/2801-it-lives-5-year-old-350-canon-50d-becomes-raw-cinema-monster/ 

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tihon on May 26, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
Hi!

Does this camera as good  as mark 2 in low light?
And the second question: is it possible to rec in 1:1 crop with no drops?

Thanks! great news!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 02:03:35 PM
Other example with 50D. Found in http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/2801-it-lives-5-year-old-350-canon-50d-becomes-raw-cinema-monster/ 



Thanks @arrinkiiii. I think that is part of this thread a couple of pages ago.

It's not strictly raw video in the same sense as the raw_rec module, it's the same DNGs but using the silent picture burst method which is limited to the camera's buffer size. Raw video will give exactly the same results though, just longer shooting times and selectable frame sizes/aspect ratios.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 02:06:33 PM
Hi!

Does this camera as good  as mark 2 in low light?
And the second question: is it possible to rec in 1:1 crop with no drops?

Thanks! great news!

We don't know yet because no one has done a comparrison with the 5d2 but you can see for yourself that the results are very promising.

1:1 crop is possible yes. At the moment it probably can't do more than a few seconds at it's maximum 1992x1080 but this will be worked on.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 26, 2013, 02:15:45 PM

Thanks @arrinkiiii. I think that is part of this thread a couple of pages ago.

It's not strictly raw video in the same sense as the raw_rec module, it's the same DNGs but using the silent picture burst method which is limited to the camera's buffer size. Raw video will give exactly the same results though, just longer shooting times and selectable frame sizes/aspect ratios.

Thank you for the enlightening Andy600   :D :D :D :D   

So, canon=restrictions, damn!!! I think that all the major company's have software and hardware for the next 10 or 20 years to come, but of course they need to make money. Why go from 1 to 3, if they can sell the 2, right? Bastards !!!!

Im a 7D owner and now with the 50D Raw it make me again feel alive  ;D

Ready for RAW? Let's go...!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tihon on May 26, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
We don't know yet because no one has done a comparrison with the 5d2 but you can see for yourself that the results are very promising.

1:1 crop is possible yes. At the moment it probably can't do more than a few seconds at it's maximum 1992x1080 but this will be worked on.
  Thanks! Can we record in 1:1 1080p but set  the output resolution - 1592x840?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 02:36:47 PM
Yes, I can't test that specific res atm myself but you can select frame dimensions. The latest raw module makes frame sizes aspect ratio dependent but we're using the older module for the time being.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 02:46:59 PM
Not having a CF card seriously sucks! I feel like I've been given the keys to a Ferrari but it's got no petrol  >:(
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 03:05:25 PM
@TrueIndigo: welcome to the club :) I might do a video tutorial on shooting raw with the 50D for first timers (just need to find time). I guess there are more people picking these camera's up. It's not difficult to get started. Just filled my 32GB card with anamorphic shots. Results later today!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tihon on May 26, 2013, 03:10:22 PM
Not having a CF card seriously sucks! I feel like I've been given the keys to a Ferrari but it's got no petrol  >:(
Heh)  In 1:1 you can set 1583px width and get 3x crop. Nice!  But i think that it`s will be more soft then crop in 5d mark 3 because of small pixel size
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 26, 2013, 03:15:30 PM
I think the 50D progress is by far the most interesting revelation so far about the raw video!

It's cool to not only see some life reinjected into something like the 50D, but have bloody amazing video out of it when it wasnt even meant to have it haha.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 26, 2013, 03:21:43 PM
@TrueIndigo: welcome to the club :) I might do a video tutorial on shooting raw with the 50D for first timers (just need to find time). I guess there are more people picking these camera's up. It's not difficult to get started. Just filled my 32GB card with anamorphic shots. Results later today!

Lets see that results  :D

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tihon on May 26, 2013, 03:27:23 PM
Whats wrong with magenta in 50d raw dng?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 03:35:21 PM

Here is my iso test! download the original file.. Amazing results, if you ask me.

Amazing results Wow!!! are you sure it was @ 12,000 ISO Winner in my book.  I think we will be seeing a lot of 5D Mark II's for cheap on ebay soon cause everybody is gonna jump ship and get a 50D.  I'm even thinking on getting a second 50D before those prices surge. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 03:36:53 PM
LCDVF3 solution for 50d http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5722.new#new
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
Congrats!  :)

Thank you man.. now I have to order a Komputerbay 64gb card, and an EF / M42 adapters for my manual lens.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on May 26, 2013, 03:40:38 PM
Thanks for the welcome. If I can get raw working on a 50D with your help, I think that would usefully prove that anyone can do it! Cheers.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 03:47:26 PM
Whats wrong with magenta in 50d raw dng?

The black point fix needs incorporating along with a couple of minor framing adjustments. Should be fixed soon :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
@TrueIndigo: welcome to the club :) I might do a video tutorial on shooting raw with the 50D for first timers (just need to find time). I guess there are more people picking these camera's up. It's not difficult to get started. Just filled my 32GB card with anamorphic shots. Results later today!

Please do a tutorial Julian would greatly appreciate it.  You and Andy600 are the pioneers for the 50D, post those footages up later can't wait to see. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 04:16:12 PM
Preview! Quick edit:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fgallery_20742_64_94354.jpg&hash=babfde21f94ec915c93a2ba0e8edb30e)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 04:16:37 PM
Not having a CF card seriously sucks! I feel like I've been given the keys to a Ferrari but it's got no petrol  >:(

Lol.. I know it sucks Andy trying to get my hands on that Komputerbay 64GB ASAP..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 04:20:36 PM
Preview! Quick edit:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fgallery_20742_64_94354.jpg&hash=babfde21f94ec915c93a2ba0e8edb30e)

That looks filmic, please post video as soon as you can. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
Be patient, a raw workflow isn't very fast... ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on May 26, 2013, 05:40:58 PM
Hi, my 50d turned up yesterday, still waiting for my komputerbay 1000x 64gb though. As soon as it turns up I'll help out with the testing.

Looking forward to shooting some raw, I've had enough of 8 bit video!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 05:50:22 PM
Moire can be pretty bad by the way.

Worst case scenario: http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_20742_64_317938.jpg

Most of the shots are fine though. Even with small lines and detail.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tihon on May 26, 2013, 05:52:58 PM
Moire can be pretty bad by the way.

Worst case scenario: http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_20742_64_317938.jpg

Most of the shots are fine though. Even with small lines and detail.

is that 50d? mama miaaa
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 05:57:09 PM
Yes it is :) Can't be all perfect... But like I said, worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
Don't be alarmed guys! You can always stop-up to a shallower DOF, use some post trickery or just shoot something else. The 1:1 crop will also deal with it if you have a wide enough lens. It's never gonna be perfect but I suspect that scene would be crawling all over the place on most other cameras. The 5d3 would eat it no problem but at 10x the cost of the 50d :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 06:03:16 PM
Exactly. Just trying to 'keep it real' here ;) We are all pretty enthusiastic, and we should be. But it's still early testing and it's not all going to be perfect. So I will post the bad stuff as well.

To make sure you guys won't run away from the 50D now, here's another shot, with lots of fine details, but hardly any nastiness:
http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_20742_64_214987.jpg
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 06:08:24 PM
The question is - would the 5d2 fair any better?

Answers on a postcard to:

The moire is killing me
c/o Canon inc.
Japan

;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 06:12:39 PM
I just thought. We could strap 4 of these together in a matrix and just about get 4k raw for under 2k ;D

Another headline  ::)

...or spend up to the cost of a RED for... ummmm.... 32k...maybe LOL


Damn! Plan thwarted. Didn't think it through. How much would all that glass cost? and how would you focus?  :-\

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tihon on May 26, 2013, 07:02:19 PM
Preview! Quick edit:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fgallery_20742_64_94354.jpg&hash=babfde21f94ec915c93a2ba0e8edb30e)

Thanks! Can you upload a dng file?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 07:32:47 PM
Will do. My computer is sweating now, exporting the dng's :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eckelsteve on May 26, 2013, 08:01:24 PM
"Neither camera featured dedicated video recording however, the 50d did have the feature, disabled in the Canon firmware. ML unlocked this to enable 1080p at 30fps with the ability to use FPS override for 24/25p."

Maybe a stupid question, but since I am buying a 50d and may need to shoot longer pieces where RAW would be impractical, confirming that I can shoot regular 5d style 1080 h264 on the 50d with the ML download?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 26, 2013, 08:33:38 PM
Will do. My computer is sweating now, exporting the dng's :)

Raw is intensive.. but gotta love it cause the benefits outweighs the cons.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 26, 2013, 08:36:47 PM
Maybe a stupid question, but since I am buying a 50d and may need to shoot longer pieces where RAW would be impractical, confirming that I can shoot regular 5d style 1080 h264 on the 50d with the ML download?
You can, but bear in mind it was not made for it, there is no audio recording on the 50D for example!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: fatpig on May 26, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
no audio is a bummer. especially since it is such a low-end feature, but means the world to pluraleyes users like me :-P
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 26, 2013, 09:25:56 PM
Yeah probably the simplest solution to synching it all together is having a cheap and nasty camera (like an early gopro or something) recording both sound and video at a very low bitrate, just for the sake of synching things with pluraleyes or whatever.

Pretty monsterous workflow compared to shooting normally with a different audio capable DSLR, but gotta pay to play!

I'm bidding on a 50D at the moment. In my mind it seems the best $$ option for raw video, and often when I've been shooting a time lapse or something I've been mega bored, so a second camera body will help keep me entertained. Nice burst rate too compared to my 600D.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 26, 2013, 10:04:49 PM
It forces you to use some old skool tricks. A clapper board as a visual cue and external recording. Ok, it's not syncing but it's a workflow that was used in thousands of old movies. Hopefully some kind of timecode (preferably SMTPE) can be incorporated in ML in the future but I don't know if that is even possible.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: smeangol on May 26, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Back from the dead :)

Quote
http://www.eoshd.com/content/10507/it-lives-5-year-old-350-canon-50d-becomes-raw-cinema-monster

Nice article gives somewhat the feeling it was really woth it spending some night on this :)

Same "framegrabs" from the weekend - thanks to my slow card i get 2 sec duration at once :/ ( right click + "show image" to see the picture in full size)
1592x840p:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smeangol.com%2F000016.jpg&hash=51e7ed46be48af091d48fab4459247ad)
One of the undisturbed frames with 1920 X 720p - processed with UFRAW, no sharpening  - now in jpg
Mind there is some motion blur before you judge.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smeangol.com%2F000001.jpg&hash=3851e649e0d1ba1e7a85a0a2607fa4db)
Another!
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smeangol.com%2F000076.jpg&hash=97790e9667110952925bf14f06f38729)
Moire is absolutely present! But i think it is okay.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smeangol.com%2F000004.jpg&hash=285ce8cce51f82400efa49c9275147df)

Someone got a good and fast workflow with free software to "expose" the DNG via batch? If so i will make a nice video with all my material!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 12:03:38 AM
It was definitely worth it Smeagol. Big thanks for your efforts! I can understand the focus is mostly on the 5D3 and other popular cams, but the 50D really is a little monster that deserves some attention :)

You coud try RAWanizer to batch your DNG's into video's maybe? (Windows).
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5557.0

Not sure if it will come out nice, when I open the DNG's I have to fix the white balance first so the proxies I made before with RAWanizer were way off. It's been updated since, going to try again :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 27, 2013, 12:27:58 AM
@Smeangol Welcome back :)

I totally agree with Julian. There is quite a buzz about the 50d now thanks to your port of the raw video features and Julian's weekend test shots. A lot of people are looking at the 50d as the lower budget alternative to the 5dmk3 which means a bigger 50d community. Great work!

I'll do my best to help iron out some of the bugs. I'm understanding the code more so hopefully I'll be able to contribute towards some improvements and minor bug fixes but it is working and looking good! :) It might be worth checking out the alternative raw module that's in development for the 5d2 as the 50d has a lot in common with it: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0

I'm also a fan of the Rawanizer app. It's by far the best (and fastest) way to get the raw files ready for editing.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 12:38:58 AM
Finally! Graded, exported, edited, uploaded...


Details on Vimeo. Make sure to download the original file. Let me know what you think!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: smeangol on May 27, 2013, 12:51:06 AM
Oh RAWanizer just looks like i was looking for :) THX

@JulianH: The anamorphic Adapter seems to be a nice workaround for 4:3 'ish resolution of the 50D - looks good - tell me .. where did you film the trainstation scenes? Looks very familiar to me :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 12:55:00 AM
Everything was shot around the Central Station of Den Haag, Netherlands :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 27, 2013, 01:27:06 AM
Finally! Graded, exported, edited, uploaded...


Details on Vimeo. Make sure to download the original file. Let me know what you think!

Impressive video, nice work  :D

Did you find any moire? And if yes can be a software or raw to dng's ?? If the 50D got so big issues with moire whats it's possible to do to work around with this problem?

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 01:34:24 AM
Thanks!

Found plenty of moire and aliassing. Download the video. See for yourself... I left out the worst shots, like that screenshot I posted above. But as you can see, the final result can be pretty decent I think. I didn't do any correction for moire.

Most of this was shot at f/8-f/16. It would help to shoot at bigger apertures so not everything is in focus...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
Finally! Graded, exported, edited, uploaded...


Details on Vimeo. Make sure to download the original file. Let me know what you think!

Once again beautiful video.. 50D lives on the images are soo clean... In a couple spots I saw some frame skipping am I right? and a little motion blur in two of the shots. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 01:38:41 AM
Oh RAWanizer just looks like i was looking for :) THX

@JulianH: The anamorphic Adapter seems to be a nice workaround for 4:3 'ish resolution of the 50D - looks good - tell me .. where did you film the trainstation scenes? Looks very familiar to me :)

Welcome back smeangol..

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 01:39:33 AM
Yeah, added a note on the frame skipping. It's probably my fault with making the image sequences, had some trouble with that... Didn't experience frame skipping during recording, but will upload a DNG sequence tomorrow so others can have a look!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 01:47:09 AM
Yeah, added a note on the frame skipping. It's probably my fault with making the image sequences, had some trouble with that... Didn't experience frame skipping during recording, but will upload a DNG sequence tomorrow so others can have a look!

Nice.. footage looking aswesome did you experience any motion blur at all doing recording, or it might of been the transcoding once again right?  Once again appreciate all your efforts Julian, @smeangol we need you back  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 01:49:00 AM
Yeah, added a note on the frame skipping. It's probably my fault with making the image sequences, had some trouble with that... Didn't experience frame skipping during recording, but will upload a DNG sequence tomorrow so others can have a look!

Forgot to ask you you don't use (Raw2Dng) software any longer?  What's the difference between the new one you posted and Raw2Dng?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 01:51:03 AM
What do you mean by motion blur? I'm filming at 24 fps with 1/50 shutter. There is supposed to be motion blur in moving things. That makes it look filmic ;)

RAWanizer uses Raw2DNG. It's just does more things!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 02:52:27 AM
What do you mean by motion blur? I'm filming at 24 fps with 1/50 shutter. There is supposed to be motion blur in moving things. That makes it look filmic ;)

RAWanizer uses Raw2DNG. It's just does more things!

You soo right Julian, Love those images it is so filmic.. Got another question should I order my 64GB Komputerbay from EOSHD source (Ebay) , or on Amazon found them there as well.  If you ordered one where did you get your's from?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 02:53:51 AM
Once again beautiful video.. 50D lives on the images are soo clean... In a couple spots I saw some frame skipping am I right? and a little motion blur in two of the shots.

Just watched it on a 50 inch screen Wow all I can say is (Movie) Like. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 04:57:57 AM
Just ordered a Komputerbay 64GB directly from them through Amazon, shipping was free.  Have you guy's noticed how the suddenly increased the price by $8 Huuh!!! Does the ML Raw hack have anything to do with it.. "Absolutely" I won't be surprise if they increase it again, cause comparing it to the other brands there is a major price difference. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: PressureFM on May 27, 2013, 09:37:42 AM
You soo right Julian, Love those images it is so filmic.. Got another question should I order my 64GB Komputerbay from EOSHD source (Ebay) , or on Amazon found them there as well.  If you ordered one where did you get your's from?

I bought mine on eBay but the package came in a flat Amazon cardboard package.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
500MB DNG sequence (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/6277c46a98731a6c795f8f5e6c5c8d5d20130526234611/38ccc37246a862f48ee3d397f664216a20130526234611/cd541e)

If you want to play with the DNG's... (and see if you can get it working without frame skipping ;))


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: apefos on May 27, 2013, 01:39:09 PM
Is it possible to give a try on 1440 x 810 ?

it will be around 49MB/s and probably no skip frames, the best resolution for 16:9 video in the 50D.

1366 x 768 would a good option for 16:9 too, around 44MB/s

Each camera/card combo deserves more width options to get the best possible resolution without skip frames, so have 1280, 1366 and 1440 width will be good to find the best possible resolution without skip frames for each user.

thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 01:55:36 PM
There's no 1440 or 1366.

Options in the build i'm using:

Width: 640, 720, 960, 1280, 1320, 1920 (this resets to 1592 automatically).
Height: 320, 360, 480, 540, 720, 840, 960, 1080 (this resets to 1062).

Would be nice to have some more resolutions. Especially something between 1320 and 1592. Is this possible?

Just realised I should try 1320x840 with 1.5x anamorphic. That would make 1980x840 = 2,36:1 :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Dunc101 on May 27, 2013, 02:01:11 PM
Hi guys,
Would it be possible to try all this out on the 40D.
I have one happy to test with.

Cheers
D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 27, 2013, 02:04:04 PM
I'll try compiling a new raw module with more values. I know it's hit and miss as to whether they will work. Still working blind here (no CF :( )
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 27, 2013, 02:06:17 PM
@Dunc101 - Sorry, not possible yet. We need a dev with a 40d to port the changes as it's much harder to do without having the actual camera to hand in order to test every change. It might be looked at after the 50d is sorted.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 06:41:48 PM
500MB DNG sequence (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/6277c46a98731a6c795f8f5e6c5c8d5d20130526234611/38ccc37246a862f48ee3d397f664216a20130526234611/cd541e)

If you want to play with the DNG's... (and see if you can get it working without frame skipping ;))

Thanks for posting julian.. will play with images.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 06:43:08 PM
I bought mine on eBay but the package came in a flat Amazon cardboard package.

So they are all from the same source than, that makes sense now. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 06:46:37 PM
I'll try compiling a new raw module with more values. I know it's hit and miss as to whether they will work. Still working blind here (no CF :( )

When did you order your card?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
Guy's check this Raw Film batch converter out it's very interesting "Create a true film simulation of your video using RAW PHOTO PROCESSOR"

<iframe width="560" height="315" src=" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And here is the site: http://www.raw-photo-processor.com/RPP/Overview.html

Let me know what you think about it. 

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Dunc101 on May 27, 2013, 07:50:40 PM
@Dunc101 - Sorry, not possible yet. We need a dev with a 40d to port the changes as it's much harder to do without having the actual camera to hand in order to test every change. It might be looked at after the 50d is sorted.
@Andy600 -
I have the basics to hacking in a compiler, I could try, if I can have a few pointers.

Cheers
D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
Guy's check this Raw Film batch converter out it's very interesting "Create a true film simulation of your video using RAW PHOTO PROCESSOR"

Let me know what you think about it.
Mac only, I'm on Windows.. looks interesting though.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 27, 2013, 08:16:05 PM
@Andy600 -
I have the basics to hacking in a compiler, I could try, if I can have a few pointers.

Cheers
D

Very nice  :D  thats the way Dunc101  :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 27, 2013, 08:35:43 PM
@Dunc101 start here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=991.0 (I recommend using the VM compiler unless you're comfortable building your own. I tried the Windows one (cygwin) but the VM one is much better.

Get a Bitbucket account and fork from the unified build: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern and read up on Mercurial if you haven't used it :http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial

Clone the repo locally.

@coutts has the stubs for 40d (but I have no clue as to what you would do with them)

That's where my knowledge ends I'm afraid.

I can pull changes, do minor code adjustments and compile but beyond that I'm a complete novice. The code is usually well commented so it's a case of going through it and trying to understand it a little piece at a time.

Porting the 40d will be a much harder thing than what I am capable of so good luck if you attempt it. There is already a port for the 50d and a developer working on incorporating the new features. I'm concentrating on understanding what these new additions do and looking for bugs.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on May 27, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
This is weird. I've been shooting some footage, the camera reached 45 MB/s with the Transcend 16 GB 1000x. But suddenly the rate dropped to 25 again. That is so strange. I didn't change any variables, why does this happen. Nevertheless I shot 30 seconds of footage in 1592x720 which im going to upload now for you to look at.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
Make sure you turn all the overlays off, also the Canon ones. Sad to hear the speed drops :(
1592x720 works fluid here with my Sandisk 90MB/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: PressureFM on May 27, 2013, 09:57:44 PM
500MB DNG sequence (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/6277c46a98731a6c795f8f5e6c5c8d5d20130526234611/38ccc37246a862f48ee3d397f664216a20130526234611/cd541e)

If you want to play with the DNG's... (and see if you can get it working without frame skipping ;))

Weird, I looked it through and it doesn't frame skip here. There must be something wrong with your workflow or Vimeo/Youtube does something when re-encoding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydcioufxct9oz1y/No_Frame_Skip.mov (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydcioufxct9oz1y/No_Frame_Skip.mov)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 10:06:35 PM
Mac only, I'm on Windows.. looks interesting though.

It's Windows as well go to there site you will see the windows download link..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 10:09:45 PM
This is weird. I've been shooting some footage, the camera reached 45 MB/s with the Transcend 16 GB 1000x. But suddenly the rate dropped to 25 again. That is so strange. I didn't change any variables, why does this happen. Nevertheless I shot 30 seconds of footage in 1592x720 which im going to upload now for you to look at.

Try reformatting your card and reinstall ML with Raw Hack I was reading something about speeds drops the other day.  If you try it and it does not work than it might be something with your card. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 10:11:37 PM
Weird, I looked it through and it doesn't frame skip here. There must be something wrong with your workflow or Vimeo/Youtube does something when re-encoding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydcioufxct9oz1y/No_Frame_Skip.mov (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydcioufxct9oz1y/No_Frame_Skip.mov)

That's what I said too, the sequence has no frame drops, or skipping so something definitely went wrong with the encoding, or Vimeo. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 27, 2013, 10:15:49 PM
Make sure you turn all the overlays off, also the Canon ones. Sad to hear the speed drops :(
1592x720 works fluid here with my Sandisk 90MB/s.

How many seconds of recording time do you get @ that Res..?  Does it get to the 4GB file limit?  Man I can't wait to get my 50D & all the other stuff to start shooting and testing.  The holidays made it even slower, but I'll be patient.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 27, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
hi all - first post - thank you for efforts and information.
just installed ml 50D from this thread - crashing @1592x720 with lexar 1000x 32G
will turn off all overlays, switch to jpg for photo, and let you know.

Andy600 and Smeangol,
are the autoexec.bin and modules linked on the 2nd post to smeangol.com/ still the best to use for the 50D?
i see the fork https://bitbucket.org/smeangol/smeangols-sneaky-magic-lantern/commits/all with commits on 25.05.2013
the files in the Modules folder were compiled 18-23.
is there another fork or more recent code i could (should) try?

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 11:33:40 PM
50D vs 5D Mark II raw  8)

Notes, details and settings on Vimeo. You can download the file or watch here in 1080p!

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 27, 2013, 11:48:59 PM
hi all - first post - thank you for efforts and information.
just installed ml 50D from this thread - crashing @1592x720 with lexar 1000x 32G
will turn off all overlays, switch to jpg for photo, and let you know.

Andy600 and Smeangol,
are the autoexec.bin and modules linked on the 2nd post to smeangol.com/ still the best to use for the 50D?
i see the fork https://bitbucket.org/smeangol/smeangols-sneaky-magic-lantern/commits/all with commits on 25.05.2013
the files in the Modules folder were compiled 18-23.
is there another fork or more recent code i could (should) try?


Welcome :) use the ones from post #2 for the moment. Any changes, new downloads etc will be updated in 1st post
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 12:23:22 AM
50D vs 5D Mark II raw  8)

Notes, details and settings on Vimeo. You can download the file or watch here in 1080p!


Nice test man was waiting for that one, downloading original files right now.  50D seems to be more organic and Film like to me, and the noise is cleaner @ 6400 ISO than the 5D Mark II.  Even after you scale the 50D's image it still hangs with the Mark II impressive. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Markkedi on May 28, 2013, 12:56:52 AM
Hello everyone! I was already selling my 50D until I saw this, awesome job guys! Already installed it but since my 266x Kingston is choking I need to get new card and I can't order it until next week, oh the agony! But keep those test & comparison videos coming, keeps me going until I get faster card :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on May 28, 2013, 02:41:24 AM
Hi all, I ordered a 50D for 400$ last week (guess i did well because now they are at around 500$ on ebay!)
Ordered a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x CF Card too!
I hope you guys will help improve this little raw beast :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 03:09:33 AM
Hi all, I ordered a 50D for 400$ last week (guess i did well because now they are at around 500$ on ebay!)
Ordered a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x CF Card too!
I hope you guys will help improve this little raw beast :)

Welcome on board.. you sure got a good deal got mines 3 days ago for $460 bet in another week or so they might go up to $550, or $600
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 03:11:16 AM
Hello everyone! I was already selling my 50D until I saw this, awesome job guys! Already installed it but since my 266x Kingston is choking I need to get new card and I can't order it until next week, oh the agony! But keep those test & comparison videos coming, keeps me going until I get faster card :)

Great decision on not selling it, Patience my friend  8) waiting on my card as well.  What card did you get?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Hokie123 on May 28, 2013, 05:39:15 AM
So there are a few 50d's in my area going for around $450. I would like to snag one up before prices raise, but have a few questions.

Is there any possibility of getting the 50d to shoot full 1080 or 1920x810?

My dilemma is whether to go with the 50d or the black magic pocket camera when it comes out.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 06:01:20 AM
Guy's check out this sample video from the 50D looks awesome  ;D

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
So there are a few 50d's in my area going for around $450. I would like to snag one up before prices raise, but have a few questions.

Is there any possibility of getting the 50d to shoot full 1080 or 1920x810?

My dilemma is whether to go with the 50d or the black magic pocket camera when it comes out.

Right now it's not there yet but it will be I believe.  Give the hack sometime and the programmers will eventually make everything work.  As far as which camera to get huuh!! for me the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is a no brainer ProRes 422 HQ / Compress Raw 13 stops of dynamic range and it records on SD cards $1000 can't beat that, got one on pre-order right now.  50D Raw 14bit recording with wide dynamic range, no audio recording, and Huge file sizes with small record time limit, and finally a beautiful image.  For me the 50D is an experimental camera that I will be using for major projects just because of what it offers, and the filmic images it produces.  If I were you I would get both and call it a day.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Hokie123 on May 28, 2013, 06:30:04 AM
Right now it's not there yet but it will be I believe.  Give the hack sometime and the programmers will eventually make everything work.  As far as which camera to get huuh!! for me the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is a no brainer ProRes 422 HQ / Compress Raw 13 stops of dynamic range and it records on SD cards $1000 can't beat that, got one on pre-order right now.  50D Raw 14bit recording with wide dynamic range, no audio recording, and Huge file sizes with small record time limit, and finally a beautiful image.  For me the 50D is an experimental camera that I will be using for major projects just because of what it offers, and the filmic images it produces.  If I were you I would get both and call it a day.
Hmm, well currently I have a t2i, I plan on shooting RAW for short narrative films. I would use my t2i for everything else.

Getting a 50d now and a black magic pocket camera down the line sounds like a good idea. I could potentially sell the t2i and use the 50d for stills and the pocket camera for non-narrative video. Or I could save for a much more expensive camera such as a 5d mk3 to shoot RAW or the black magic cinema camera.

What path would you recommend?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Mark0ki on May 28, 2013, 06:54:35 AM
Weird, I looked it through and it doesn't frame skip here. There must be something wrong with your workflow or Vimeo/Youtube does something when re-encoding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydcioufxct9oz1y/No_Frame_Skip.mov (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydcioufxct9oz1y/No_Frame_Skip.mov)

I think that skipping is because the program and camera is with different frame rates (like 24fps to 25fps or something like that).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 06:58:51 AM
Hmm, well currently I have a t2i, I plan on shooting RAW for short narrative films. I would use my t2i for everything else.

Getting a 50d now and a black magic pocket camera down the line sounds like a good idea. I could potentially sell the t2i and use the 50d for stills and the pocket camera for non-narrative video. Or I could save for a much more expensive camera such as a 5d mk3 to shoot RAW or the black magic cinema camera.

What path would you recommend?

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is a must.. long recording, no headaches a true S16 Cinema Camera, have you seen Johns Brawley's new video test yet? go check it out.  Now that I know you have a T2i, by the way I use to have one also sold it love that little camera.  If you love the images from the Raw cannons that much, I would sell my T2i cause you are limited as far as shooting Raw on it & use that money to upgrade to the 50D & I would do it fast cause prices will go up fast.  Second scenario Holding on to your T2i for pictures like you said & wait for the Pocket Cinema Camera to come out.  Third scenario buying the 50D test it out if you like it keep it, if not sell it back I guarantee you will make a profit selling it back you can't lose by getting the 50D.  Hope that help you decide cheers..   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: handbanana on May 28, 2013, 07:35:04 AM
I was going to pay off my credit card... but now I'm going to use that money to buy a 50D I think. I already have a 60D and 550D, but the RAW video on the 50D won't be matched by those due to the SD cards it seems...

I know that it can record at 720 height, how's the 1080p (or higher) looking? And what are the crop factors so far?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: buildbyflying on May 28, 2013, 07:38:55 AM
Hi. new to the board, but I was wondering why all talk is about recording to the CF and not HDMI (wiki says 50d does do hdmi out). Is this also the case on the 5d3? Also, what's the difference between recording to the buffer and the raw_rec?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 28, 2013, 07:43:35 AM
Because the HDMI output goes through all of the compression etc as a normal recorded video file, and is 8 bit.

Where as recording to the cf card is 14 bit raw images at a fairly hefty bitrate.

I'm about an hour away from owning a 50D with a battery grip and 4 batteries, only challenge now will be finding a place that sells fast CF cards for less than a billion dollars that ships to New Zealand. :(
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 08:43:16 AM
I got a very important question how come when I open the DNG files in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) the metadata at the bottom shows :
Adobe RGB (1998) not sRGB : 8bit instead of 14bit  I don't know what's going on.  In Digital Space the cameras are Usually sRGB specially for video, Adobe RGB (1998) is good for print.  I tried numerous other files even files from the 5D Mark III it still shows up with the same data.  I'm soo confused right about now enlighten me.. anybody I thought that It was suppose to be be 14bit Raw. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Markkedi on May 28, 2013, 08:50:01 AM
Great decision on not selling it, Patience my friend  8) waiting on my card as well.  What card did you get?

Getting my paycheck next wednesday  and I'm thinking of getting a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card. The best thing is that I traded my 40D few weeks ago to this 50D @ 20k shutter count with just 50 euros :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 08:55:39 AM
Getting my paycheck next wednesday  and I'm thinking of getting a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card. The best thing is that I traded my 40D few weeks ago to this 50D @ 20k shutter count with just 50 euros :)

That's a great trade, that means you got another two weeks to to before you do any real shooting. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 28, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
I got a very important question how come when I open the DNG files in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) the metadata at the bottom shows :
Adobe RGB (1998) not sRGB : 8bit instead of 14bit  I don't know what's going on.  In Digital Space the cameras are Usually sRGB specially for video, Adobe RGB (1998) is good for print.  I tried numerous other files even files from the 5D Mark III it still shows up with the same data.  I'm soo confused right about now enlighten me.. anybody I thought that It was suppose to be be 14bit Raw.
Don't worry. Click that line and you can change the settings to whatever you want. It is the workflow setting, ACR will import your raw to these settings when you click open, save or done. Look at the file info in bridge, you'll see the files are 14 bit.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: buildbyflying on May 28, 2013, 10:07:57 AM
@Roman: Thanks for the reply.
I'm waiting on a card myself. Perhaps I'll just rent a sandisk card to see how many frames I can get.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 28, 2013, 12:31:43 PM
Also another thing, unless someone who's actually got one can confirm to the contrary,

The 50D does HDMI out, as in, you can view pictures on the TV or whatever. As best I know it's not possible to use an external monitor in a configuration which would allow recording an HDMI stream from the sensor, either way.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on May 28, 2013, 04:16:08 PM
First post on the forum
(I've been using ml for quite some times now. On a t3i. For video mainly, time lapse, zebra, long time exposure, etc)

I played with the dng and i'm realy impressed.
The workflow is a bit slower but for 30 minutes of works for 12 seconds, from downloading the dng's, to lightroom and finaly vegas. It's not that bad at all considering that i have to color grade anyway because i use cinestyle when doing some videos.

Of course no audio can be a little of a bummer for some. But hey, will you use this camera alone? I don't think so. Having 2 cams to work with is great anyway. I'm working on a videoclip right now and this new tool will be amazing!
The t3i to sync with pluraleyes and the 50d for filmic in between shots.... Yummy

If any of you whants to see what s**t i do lol :
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Viente on May 28, 2013, 04:22:25 PM
Exactly. Combination of h.264 for shallow DOF shots and RAW for chroma key and landscape shots is great workflow for me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 28, 2013, 04:26:42 PM
Oh lordy...

It's hot news on EOSHD, Petapixel, Canon Rumours, Nofilmschool.com and loads more DSLR blogs but now some giants, namely Cnet and Engadget have picked up on it:-

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/28/canon-50d-gains-video-recording-through-magic-lantern-raw-hack/

http://www.cnet.com.au/canon-50d-takes-raw-video-thanks-to-magic-lantern-339344418.htm

The ML Devs deserve huge credit! @Smeangol specifically for his work on porting the raw features to the 50d!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Hokie123 on May 28, 2013, 04:40:37 PM
Exactly. Combination of h.264 for shallow DOF shots and RAW for chroma key and landscape shots is great workflow for me.
what do you mean by using h.264 for shallow DOF,can it not be achieved shooting raw?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
Oh lordy...

It's hot news on EOSHD, Petapixel, Canon Rumours, Nofilmschool.com and loads more DSLR blogs but now some giants, namely Cnet and Engadget have picked up on it:-

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/28/canon-50d-gains-video-recording-through-magic-lantern-raw-hack/

http://www.cnet.com.au/canon-50d-takes-raw-video-thanks-to-magic-lantern-339344418.htm

The ML Devs deserve huge credit! @Smeangol specifically for his work on porting the raw features to the 50d!

Now it's in the open big media is covering it.  I don't think ebay will have any more 50D's demand is going to go way high.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Viente on May 28, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
what do you mean by using h.264 for shallow DOF,can it not be achieved shooting raw?

I mean sometimes if you need a longer footage its not a problem to shoot in old mode on not so detailed shots.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on May 28, 2013, 04:49:41 PM
what do you mean by using h.264 for shallow DOF,can it not be achieved shooting raw?

Wondered the same thing. Dof doesn't realy cares about h.264 ;)

Edit instead of trolling: got it, you ment convenience vs beauty :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 28, 2013, 05:09:54 PM
Cool stuff. I think the 50d will be a nice raw camera. I own a 5d2, but looking for a good alternative for shooting raw only and think I might have found one :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: blackroom on May 28, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
hello and big thanks to everyone involved!
question, how do i enable 24p? i can only switch from 30fps to 2.5fps. also tried advanced mode. i've tried stable release and current nightly build. even with 64gig 1000x KomputerBay card i can only get about 300 frames at 1592x720.
i know the cards may vary and i have yet to try low level formatting card.
thanks for any help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 28, 2013, 07:10:05 PM
Hey Blackroom, welcome to the 50D club!

Press the joystick when you are navigated onto the 'FPS override' item. There you can select the framerate. Took me a while to figure that out as well ;) Please share your tests and footage!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: blackroom on May 28, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
thanks Julian! i can record long now at 24p, never quite reach 4 gigs but thats another issue.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 28, 2013, 08:53:20 PM
You can't record continuously at 1592x720 24 fps with the KomputerBay card? That sounds weird as I can with my Sandisk 90MB/s 32GB.
Did you turn off all the overlays? Press the info button till you get a clear screen without any info.

How long can you record? I can record till 4GB (then it stops) without problems. The buffer never goes over 2 stars (out of 4).

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 28, 2013, 08:58:41 PM
Hmmm 4 stars  ??? I think it should have more than that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 28, 2013, 09:24:13 PM
It never showed me more than 4 stars I think.

While recording 1592x720 it looks like this: (*...) sometimes it goes up to (**..) but then drops again to (*...)
With higher resolutions like 1592x840 it quickly goes to (**..) and (***.) and then starts to drop frames.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 28, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
My understanding is that the stars are representative of chunks (31 - 32mb) of buffer data. The 50d has @2x that of the 600d which shows 3 stars, so I'm hazarding a guess that there could be some memory savings to be had somewhere to increase this to maybe 5 or more = bigger frame sizes. I think it would be important for the 1:1 crop mode... but then again, what do I know LOL  ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
My understanding is that the stars are representative of chunks (31 - 32mb) of buffer data. The 50d has @2x that of the 600d which shows 3 stars, so I'm hazarding a guess that there could be some memory savings to be had somewhere to increase this to maybe 5 or more = bigger frame sizes. I think it would be important for the 1:1 crop mode... but then again, what do I know LOL  ;)

It might be Andy.. let's wait and see how things pans-out. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2013, 11:08:41 PM
thanks Julian! i can record long now at 24p, never quite reach 4 gigs but thats another issue.

Great you got things running now.  Report back & let us know if your getting to the 4GB limit with the Komputerbay 64GB card...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on May 28, 2013, 11:17:21 PM
Hello. I am not sure if this is the right topic, but I have a few questions to ask.
I am about to buy a used 50D in order to shoot raw video, I understand it is the best choice for those who cant afford a 5D2?
1.Does it record well in 24fps? That is the framerate I plan on shooting in, and want to sync audio to it, so accuracy is key.

2. Also, could I shoot raw at 30fps and slow it down to 24fps in post? Not caring about audio sync here.

3. How does raw recording affect the camera body? Does it overheat?

4. How is it on the camera's battery? I plan on using a battery grip, so how much recording time will I get on two fully charged batteries?

5. How big are raw files. Like MB/min.? How much am I going to be able to fit in a 64gb cf card?

6. Is the KOMPUTERBAY 64GB Professional COMPACT FLASH CARD CF 1000X 150MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 7 a solid choice as the only cf card I would buy?

Thank you very much. I would appreciate any info that might be useful. I currently have a 550D so I guess the upgrade is worth it?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Dunc101 on May 29, 2013, 12:05:16 AM
@Dunc101 start here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=991.0 (I recommend using the VM compiler unless you're comfortable building your own. I tried the Windows one (cygwin) but the VM one is much better.

Get a Bitbucket account and fork from the unified build: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern and read up on Mercurial if you haven't used it :http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial

Clone the repo locally.

@coutts has the stubs for 40d (but I have no clue as to what you would do with them)

That's where my knowledge ends I'm afraid.

I can pull changes, do minor code adjustments and compile but beyond that I'm a complete novice. The code is usually well commented so it's a case of going through it and trying to understand it a little piece at a time.

Porting the 40d will be a much harder thing than what I am capable of so good luck if you attempt it. There is already a port for the 50d and a developer working on incorporating the new features. I'm concentrating on understanding what these new additions do and looking for bugs.

@Andy600

Thanks very much this is great.
I am a novice too but my as well try.
@coutts any idea what to do with the stubs?

Cheers
D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
@Dunc101 - The 40d was/is (maybe) being ported. It looks as though updates stopped a couple of months ago but you might want to try compiling this to see where it's up to: https://bitbucket.org/jplxpto/magic-lantern/commits/all ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 12:12:02 AM
Hello. I am not sure if this is the right topic, but I have a few questions to ask.
I am about to buy a used 50D in order to shoot raw video, I understand it is the best choice for those who cant afford a 5D2?
Keep in mind this is very experimental. Don't make any conclusions yet.

1.Does it record well in 24fps? That is the framerate I plan on shooting in, and want to sync audio to it, so accuracy is key.
- Yes, you can use fps override and film at 24.000 fps exactly. 1592x720 works without problems for me at 24 fps.

2. Also, could I shoot raw at 30fps and slow it down to 24fps in post? Not caring about audio sync here.
- Probably you could, but 30 fps takes more data so you'd have to lower the resolution. I didn't try anything at 30 fps yet.

3. How does raw recording affect the camera body? Does it overheat?
It doesn't. The camera has less work to do

4. How is it on the camera's battery? I plan on using a battery grip, so how much recording time will I get on two fully charged batteries?
- Don't know exactly. Pretty sure you can fill 64GB before draining two batteries...

5. How big are raw files. Like MB/min.? How much am I going to be able to fit in a 64gb cf card?
- Depends on the resolution. 1592x720 24p is about 50MB/s = 3GB per minute.

6. Is the KOMPUTERBAY 64GB Professional COMPACT FLASH CARD CF 1000X 150MB/s Extreme Speed UDMA 7 a solid choice as the only cf card I would buy?
It should be. It's working fine for a lot of 5D3 users and that camera is much more demanding than the 50D. No guarantees though.

No need to go wild with the bold tag btw.. and welcome :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 29, 2013, 12:44:02 AM
HDMI Monitoring works while recording RAW. Just tested it with my llilieput monitor.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabiU9Gch.jpg&hash=30a003a871a5f03a6951e9388fb3398b)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 12:50:49 AM
Fixed the frame skipping on my previous anamorphic video. The image sequences were imported as 25 fps and my project was 24 fps. Simple as that. Re-uploaded the correct file:

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 29, 2013, 12:56:57 AM
HDMI Monitoring works while recording RAW. Just tested it with my llilieput monitor.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabiU9Gch.jpg&hash=30a003a871a5f03a6951e9388fb3398b)

Very nice @menoc  :D raw and hdmi output, sweet  :D

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 01:03:31 AM
HDMI Monitoring works while recording RAW. Just tested it with my llilieput monitor.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabiU9Gch.jpg&hash=30a003a871a5f03a6951e9388fb3398b)

Great News thanks for posting..  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 01:10:12 AM
Fixed the frame skipping on my previous anamorphic video. The image sequences were imported as 25 fps and my project was 24 fps. Simple as that. Re-uploaded the correct file:


Fluid motion now..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: blackroom on May 29, 2013, 01:14:05 AM
Yeah i'm getting 1 to 2 stars now that i'm recording at 24p but recording stops around 2.5 - 3gigs and live view shuts down. the stars don't start to increase before it shuts down either.
all displays and global draw is off, this is happening with the same KomputerBay cards on my 5d2 as well. any recommendations on utilities for low level formatting? win7 won't do fat32 at 64gigs, i guess i could try linux or on mac disk utility?
thanks again everyone!

update: ok i just shot 4 gigs finally, it's not consistent. and another question, is it normal that after recording stops and live view shuts down, u have to reload the raw_rec module?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 01:21:30 AM
Sounds like you got back luck with the card.. :( can you benchmark it in a USB3 reader? return it for another one?
Another check: did you disable raw in the Canon menu's? Put the camera on jpg - that will give you the biggest buffer.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on May 29, 2013, 01:48:12 AM
@JulianH Hey thanks very much for your reply. Sorry about all the questions, been way too excited researching this raw thing the past couple of nights and finally decided it's worth getting a 50d.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 02:48:56 AM
HDMI Monitoring works while recording RAW. Just tested it with my llilieput monitor.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabiU9Gch.jpg&hash=30a003a871a5f03a6951e9388fb3398b)

I thought this would be the case but couldn't be sure without trying it so big thanks for proving it Menoc :)

This is actually big news! I will update the 1st page
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 03:13:03 AM
@JulianH - Your updated footage looks great! It had to be something so simple LOL ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 04:16:45 AM
How many of you know that the 50d was actually the first camera to use the DIGIC 4 processor? http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/infobank/capturing_the_image/digic_processing.do
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 06:32:05 AM
have merged a set of edits to enable 50D to record raw video with today's commits 7183:8ba641e4a5ef
hoping to get more stability than i experienced with the build in Post#2 of this thread.
with that autoexec.bin and modules, i can hit 4GB limit, but have frequent crashes.

with the latest code, there are now many more resolution options combined with aspect ratio selection.

in tests with the latest unified code, i can get hundreds of frames at the 1592x896 (57 MB/s) on komputerbay 64G card

adjusting resolution down to less than 50 MB/s , 40 or even 30 and i'm still not hitting the 4GB limit -
seems to stop a little past 1400 frames the tests i've made and ML crashes the resulting files yield Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

stopping recording before 1400 frames works at the moment and the raw files can be processed.

fun to be able to edit and install software on your camera.

in terms of code modifications, in modules/raw_rec/raw_rec.c 
don't know the coding convention in magic lantern to handle the case of the 50D, where there is no audio, in module code - so just deleted the if (sound_rec == 1) sections since i was getting an undefined symbol on  WAV_StartRecord


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 29, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
have merged a set of edits to enable 50D to record raw video with today's commits 7183:8ba641e4a5ef
hoping to get more stability than i experienced with the build in Post#2 of this thread.
with that autoexec.bin and modules, i can hit 4GB limit, but have frequent crashes.

with the latest code, there are now many more resolution options combined with aspect ratio selection.

in tests with the latest unified code, i can get hundreds of frames at the 1592x896 (57 MB/s) on komputerbay 64G card

adjusting resolution down to less than 50 MB/s , 40 or even 30 and i'm still not hitting the 4GB limit -
seems to stop a little past 1400 frames the tests i've made and ML crashes the resulting files yield Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

stopping recording before 1400 frames works at the moment and the raw files can be processed.

fun to be able to edit and install software on your camera.

in terms of code modifications, in modules/raw_rec/raw_rec.c 
don't know the coding convention in magic lantern to handle the case of the 50D, where there is no audio, in module code - so just deleted the if (sound_rec == 1) sections since i was getting an undefined symbol on  WAV_StartRecord

How can we go about grabbing this?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: blackroom on May 29, 2013, 08:31:38 AM
Sounds like you got back luck with the card.. :( can you benchmark it in a USB3 reader? return it for another one?
Another check: did you disable raw in the Canon menu's? Put the camera on jpg - that will give you the biggest buffer.

yes thanks.
i read somewhere (not sure where now) how write performance improves, like the camera needs to warm up or something? seems to be the case, the first few shots when i start filming are all 3-4 stars and end within a few hundred frames.  a few minutes later i turn it back on, format in camera and try again and its solid 1 star for 4 gigs. i dunno! i'll test my old Lexar 600X next:)

i benched with Crystal Disk Mark and got this:
komputerbay 64gig 1000x
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2

           Sequential Read :   140.503 MB/s
          Sequential Write :   113.864 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    63.013 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :    23.002 MB/s

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Digital Corpus on May 29, 2013, 09:49:35 AM
Ok, call me ignorant. I've followed the 5D3 thread, and I've searched this thread. Why is the resolution limited to 1592 x 1062? I noted another user stating that the resolution is bumped down to this when trying to select 1920x1080. Also, why is the default fps at 30?

In terms of pixels a second:
1592x1062*30 = 50,721,120
1920x1080*24 = 49,766,400

In other words, in terms of bandwidth, 1080p @ 24 fps is "easier". Again, call me ignorant :)

Aside from that, congrats to the achievement.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 29, 2013, 10:30:01 AM
The default FPS is 30, because that's what liveview works at. (Because it never had video, it never had a need to specify anything else for this)

However you can just leave FPS override turned on and leave it at 24.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 29, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
The default FPS is 30, because that's what liveview works at. (Because it never had video, it never had a need to specify anything else for this)

However you can just leave FPS override turned on and leave it at 24.

Makes sense  :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: P337 on May 29, 2013, 12:47:11 PM
HDMI Monitoring works while recording RAW. Just tested it with my llilieput monitor.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabiU9Gch.jpg&hash=30a003a871a5f03a6951e9388fb3398b)

Thanks for the test! 

Is the 50D HDMI outputting 480p like the 5D2, 550D, 600D and 60D when recording?  Or does it stay at 1080i when using the RAW recorder?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 01:05:52 PM
@KahL what i have is less stable than currently available.




Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
I'm surprised about your stability issues with the build from the 2nd post Gregory. Ok, granted, I didn't shoot much long sequences, just tried the 4GB limit once, but recording is quite stable. When I shot the anamorphic video I made about 30 sequences in the course of one hour (each 10-20 seconds), without any complications.

If I try 5x or 10x zoom the camera crashes almost instantly. When do you experience problems?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: P337 on May 29, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
Ok, call me ignorant. I've followed the 5D3 thread, and I've searched this thread. Why is the resolution limited to 1592 x 1062? I noted another user stating that the resolution is bumped down to this when trying to select 1920x1080. Also, why is the default fps at 30?

In terms of pixels a second:
1592x1062*30 = 50,721,120
1920x1080*24 = 49,766,400

In other words, in terms of bandwidth, 1080p @ 24 fps is "easier". Again, call me ignorant :)

Aside from that, congrats to the achievement.

Unfortunately 1920x1080 14bit at 24fps is about 88 MB/s which may be more than the 50D and 5D2 could ever handle, in fact I don't think 1592x1062 at 30p even works (you have to framerate override to 24 and that requires about 71 MB/s which doesn't last long)

How big is the frame buffer on the 50D?  I think I heard 60MB
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 02:49:23 PM
The raw_rec buffer on the 50d (as all cameras that are recordings raw video) is split into 31mb chunks and is derived from shoot_malloc memory which in the 50d is 220MB. The early build for the 50d is not yet fine tuned and there is more buffer to be had which, in theory, means longer shooting times at larger frame sizes.

The CF controller is UDMA6 'compatible' which, again in theory, is capably of recording data up to 133MB/s. I doubt it will get anywhere close to this but I am pretty sure it can and will match the speed of the 5d2 as it has essential the same hardware controlling the CF card. 'UDMA6 Compatible' is an important phrase in this sense as we don't (yet) know the specifics of the controller chipset and what it's maximum transfer rate is.

The maximum recordable frame sizes are derived from the LV display feed that comes from the sensor. In normal shooting this is a maximum of 1592x1062 and in 1:1 crop (x5 zoom) this goes up to 1992x1080. When everything is tuned and the bugs are ironed out I believe we can achieve continual recording at maximum frame size (normal mode) and very close to it in crop mode. Restricting the frame size to specific aspect ratios reduces file sizes still further so my guess is that, on the right card, we can push the 50d to ITS maximums while the 5d2, having larger frame/file sizes may remain slightly under its maximums limited by hardware.

As it states in the first post of this topic "The raw video recording features on the 50d are still at a very early stage of development so don't expect everything to be working flawlessly." so just give it time to mature ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 03:42:39 PM
@Andy600 yes agree very early and experimental

@JulianH with the 2013May23 build - i'm getting crashes or lock ups on 3 out of 4 takes. the good news is that most of the .raw files can be processed. this is on a lexar 1000x 32G card - at various resolutions and resulting bit rates 1592x720, 1592x540, 1320x720
like your anamorphic video - do you reset the camera pull battery after every shot?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 03:59:35 PM
code notes on src/raw.c - posting these so the community can confirm values
@Smeangol - great job figuring this out, getting the values and adjusting the code to make it possible to try .raw on 50D

there are 6 conditionals for each camera type.
Smeangol has inserted values for 5 of these 6 - leaving out the QR_mode (only needed for playback i think).

the comment on the color matrix is "CONFIG_50D // not found yet"
are these values are correct ?


1. LiveView raw buffer address
same as 5D2
#if defined(CONFIG_5D2) || defined(CONFIG_50D)
#define RAW_LV_EDMAC 0xC0F04508

2. Photo-mode raw buffer address
same as 5D2
#define RAW_PHOTO_EDMAC 0xc0f04A08

3. Color matrix should be copied from DCRAW.
#ifdef CONFIG_50D // not found yet
    //~{ "Canon EOS 50D", 0, 0x3d93,
   //~{ 4920,616,-593,-6493,13964,2784,-1774,3178,7005 } },
    #define CAM_COLORMATRIX1                       \
     4920, 10000,      616, 10000,    -593, 10000, \
    -6493, 10000,    12964, 10000,    2784, 10000, \
    -1774, 10000,     3178, 10000,    7005, 10000
#endif

4. raw_update_params - adjust EDMAC RAW file sizes for each camera which have "unused areas, usually black"
#ifdef CONFIG_50D
skip_top    = 22;
skip_left   = 72;
skip_right  = 0;
skip_bottom = 0;
#endif

5. (QR_MODE) // image review after taking pics-  Raw buffer size for photos (using FFT to guess the period of the image stream.)
/*        #if defined(CONFIG_50D) NEED Raw dump to get correct values
        width = 5344;
        height = 3516;
        skip_left = 142;
        skip_right = 0;
        skip_top = 50;
        #endif */

6. Dynamic range, from DxO
#ifdef CONFIG_50D
int dynamic_ranges[] = {1140, 1106, 1051, 965, 872, 772, 679};
#endif
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: P337 on May 29, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
Thanks Andy!

So if we have 220MBs and UDMA6 CF cards then what's the bottleneck currently preventing us from 88MB/s footage (14bit RAW 1080p24)?  I assume it's the bandwidth of that 220MB memory buffer.

Anyone know how many of those 31MB chunks that 220MB buffer is currently passing per second? (I assume about 60MB/s worth) 

@Andy600 What do you mean 'there's more buffer to be had' (size or speed?) and how do you know there's more; have the other cameras gone through fine tuning to improve their buffer that the 50D hasn't yet?  (Aren't they all using the same "shoot memory buffer" and therefore limited to the specific size and speed of each camera's "shoot_malloc"?)  I'm not trying to call you out on anything, just trying to figure out potential for the 50D (maybe look at how fast the 5D2 shoot memory is running)

Also in the 5x zoom mode, is it changing the field of view or is it still recording the same image but in 1992x1080?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Thai on May 29, 2013, 04:27:11 PM
Hey everyone, found out about ML yesterday from Engadget. Installed it last night on my 50D. LOVE IT!

But a quick question for you guys, as there is no audio, do you just buy a good audio recorder to sync up?

I'd like something that's somewhat lowprofile to mount on the 50D's hotshoe. Any suggestions?

What about?

Tascam DR-07mkII Portable Digital Audio Recorder
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/760375-REG/Tascam_DR_07MKII_DR_07mkII_Portable_Digital_Audio.html
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.bhphoto.com%2Fimages%2Fimages345x345%2F760375.jpg&hash=cc4d67cf999f9471b7546df3dc364589)


and:

Revo Hot Shoe to 1/4"-20 Male Post Adapter
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/860269-REG/Revo_sa_cs_14m_Hot_Shoe_to_1_4.html
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.bhphoto.com%2Fimages%2Fimages150x150%2F860269.jpg&hash=ee28a5fd130a164f936887ea3c923b6e)

Is that typically what you guys are doing? Any way to have recording start and stop at the same time as video recording?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
Thanks Andy!

So if we have 220MBs and UDMA6 CF cards then what's the bottleneck currently preventing us from 88MB/s footage (14bit RAW 1080p24)?  I assume it's the bandwidth of that 220MB memory buffer.

Anyone know how many of those 31MB chunks that 220MB buffer is currently passing per second? (I assume about 60MB/s worth) 

@Andy600 What do you mean 'there's more buffer to be had' (size or speed?) and how do you know there's more; have the other cameras gone through fine tuning to improve their buffer that the 50D hasn't yet?  (Aren't they all using the same "shoot memory buffer" and therefore limited to the specific size and speed of each camera's "shoot_malloc"?)  I'm not trying to call you out on anything, just trying to figure out potential for the 50D (maybe look at how fast the 5D2 shoot memory is running)

Also in the 5x zoom mode, is it changing the field of view or is it still recording the same image but in 1992x1080?

By 'more buffer to be had' I mean that the 50d port is still missing a few ML features and some of the features it has can be refined further. 1% demonstrated this with his Tragic lantern ports for the 600d. The 50d currently shows 4 buffer stars = @120MB so I think there is more. The bigger the buffer allocation = the more time you can record at larger frame sizes BUT it then needs to be written to the card and that is where the bottleneck is. I think this bottleneck (although hardware) is, I believe also being restricted in software atm and might be better calculated better to allow faster card writing.

5x zoom will do exactly what it sounds like. The field of view recorded will be zoomed and exactly what you see in LV. The actual recorded area is denoted by the white box. At 1992x1080 the white box covers the whole sensor.

The 50d runs the unified build of Magic Lantern with module support added by @Smeangol (i.e. raw rec) but there is a lot of 50d specific adjustments that can be made to improve it.

The 600d did not have sraw and mraw but 1% enabled those features and 600d. The 50d currently needs to be in jpeg mode for raw video recording but has sraw. I'm not sure if using those settings will improve things when the code is worked on. Who knows?

@Smeangol has done some amazing work so far. He was also responsible (with help from A1ex) for adding 1080p video when the camera had no video capability but he has very limited time to devote to the project ATM. We are hoping to have 1% onboard soon but need to get him a 50d to work on ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
Hey everyone, found out about ML yesterday from Engadget. Installed it last night on my 50D. LOVE IT!

But a quick question for you guys, as there is no audio, do you just buy a good audio recorder to sync up?

I'd like something that's somewhat lowprofile to mount on the 50D's hotshoe. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Check out the latest RODE video mics with built-in recording. You can also output to a HDMI monitor and feed the monitor signal to an external recorder (one with with sound recording capability, inputs a mic etc) to get a proxy video (in whatever format the recorder uses) with sound. This will help with sync. If you just want sound recording you'll need to go old skool and use a clapper board. The 50d can't record the audio itself but it will show the clapper strike as a visual cue for audio syncing.


Just saw your updated post: The Tascam will work great. You will need to start audio recording before hitting video record. You can't currently control recording stop/start on an external device with the 50d.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
like your anamorphic video - do you reset the camera pull battery after every shot?
I basically left the camera on for about an hour while walking around taking the shots from time to time. No problems whatsoever. Switched it off sometimes, then I have to reload raw rec and put it on the right settings again. But I never had raw files that were not readable. Sometimes when I'm experimenting at home the camera won't power up and I have to pull out the battery first and put it back in. But overall, for a 'very experimental early build', this has worked pretty well for me :)

@Andy: great ideas on the hdmi+audio. If anamorphic live view is possible, I will get a cheap external LCD and still be able to get a corrected anamorphic fov... that would be great as lcd's with anamorphic options are pretty expensive.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 05:12:37 PM
Just read a couple of tech blogs (there are dozens now) that have picked up on the 50d's new trick and most are getting it completely wrong so for any bloggers reading this without reading the front page:-

1) The 50d did not have any video modes when shipped.

2) Magic Lantern enabled compressed H.264 1080p at 30fps over a year ago. This is NOT the news ;)

3) The new 'raw video' ability captures 14bit uncompressed data from the sensor and writes this as a .raw file to a CF card. THIS is the news :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
yes thanks.
i read somewhere (not sure where now) how write performance improves, like the camera needs to warm up or something? seems to be the case, the first few shots when i start filming are all 3-4 stars and end within a few hundred frames.  a few minutes later i turn it back on, format in camera and try again and its solid 1 star for 4 gigs. i dunno! i'll test my old Lexar 600X next:)

i benched with Crystal Disk Mark and got this:
komputerbay 64gig 1000x
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2

           Sequential Read :   140.503 MB/s
          Sequential Write :   113.864 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    63.013 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :    23.002 MB/s

Thanks for reporting back, great findings now gotta let the camera warm-up and card I guess where you shooting @ 1592 x 720?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 07:23:04 PM
Just read a couple of tech blogs (there are dozens now) that have picked up on the 50d's new trick and most are getting it completely wrong so for any bloggers reading this without reading the front page:-

1) The 50d did not have any video modes when shipped.

2) Magic Lantern enabled compressed H.264 1080p at 30fps over a year ago. This is NOT the news ;)

3) The new 'raw video' ability captures 14bit uncompressed data from the sensor and writes this as a .raw file to a CF card. THIS is the news :D

Say it like it is Andy, let them know... 50D no video + M.L = Raw 14bit recording incredible
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
What I don't get is how come some people are having problems with their 50D's crashing and other ok from the same build.  Does it have to do with the way you load ML on CF cards, or is it a something missing in the folders.  Don't have my 50D yet it's on his way, just trying to get a ball park answer so when I get mines it can run as smooth as @Julian.H's 50D.  @Andy600 hope you get that card soon man so you can start testing. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
had a chance to test a little bit more the unified merge build and see that it records well up to around 1437 frame - 60 seconds.
this merged code can record with graphics overlay enabled at a wide variety of bit rates, just crashes if recording goes past 60 seconds.

the interface is different now and to record,
-live view on
-modules enable raw_rec
-frame rate 24
-Raw Rec - turn off sound adjust width and aspect ratio as desired
- hit live view
- half press shutter to start a regular video (may not be required)
-stop regular video
- now hit live view again to record raw
- turn off before frame 1437 or the camera crashes.

http://pic.twitter.com/rrxmC8OupA
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 07:33:38 PM
6 buffer stars :)  ::)

@GregoryOfManhattan - Did you try crop mode (5x zoom)?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: simulacro on May 29, 2013, 07:42:35 PM

If I try 5x or 10x zoom the camera crashes almost instantly. When do you experience problems?

That happens also in the 550d. When i tried the 10x zoom the camera crashes.

i found a trick: I zoom 5x, push the menu button twice, then the camera goes to liveview again
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 07:54:57 PM
had a chance to test a little bit more the unified merge build and see that it records well up to around 1437 frame - 60 seconds.
this merged code can record with graphics overlay enabled at a wide variety of bit rates, just crashes if recording goes past 60 seconds.

the interface is different now and to record,
-live view on
-modules enable raw_rec
-frame rate 24
-Raw Rec - turn off sound adjust width and aspect ratio as desired
- hit live view
- half press shutter to start a regular video (may not be required)
-stop regular video
- now hit live view again to record raw
- turn off before frame 1437 or the camera crashes.

http://pic.twitter.com/rrxmC8OupA

Great findings.. so that means without the graphic overlay's it should record flawlessly than.  Also this unified build you talking about download link is on the first page right? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 07:57:46 PM
6 buffer stars :)  ::)

@GregoryOfManhattan - Did you try crop mode (5x zoom)?

Andy your right it has 6 Stars (*.....)  What happened there 2 more stars added in this new build?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 08:01:24 PM
Great findings.. so that means without the graphic overlay's it should record flawlessly than.  Also this unified build you talking about download link is on the first page right?
You're making conclusions a bit too fast here ;) The built by Gregory is custom, but another modification than the one that is on the first page here.

Things are looking good though and it sure looks like the 50D has more headroom then what's possible right now. Don't rush things. I'm sure it should be possible to get it up and running as smooth as it has been for me, with the right card. CF cards seem to be a bit of a guess. Not all cards (even same manufacturer and specifications) are equal.


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 08:05:27 PM
I understand still early, is Gregory part of the ML coding team?   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 08:38:57 PM
....CF cards seem to be a bit of a guess. Not all cards (even same manufacturer and specifications) are equal.

I wouldn't know about such things thanks to the local post office >:( I'm sure it would be faster for me to just make one LOL
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
/Edit: forget what I wrote here.. premature conclusions, have to check how/if the footage actually works.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
@JulianH if footage is looking good, we will need a few more 50D testers to review build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
@JulianH if footage is looking good, we will need a few more 50D testers to review build.
It's looking very promising Gregory, many thanks for the build :) Looking at the files now, I will let you all know soon, everybody is eager, I know ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 29, 2013, 10:21:58 PM
if there are other alpha testers interested and standing by with 50D and fast cards, please PM me and i'll arrange to send you a build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on May 29, 2013, 10:28:26 PM
I have a 50d on its way from south korea. It's going to be a long wait (2/3 weeks).
When i'll have it in hands i will of course test new build
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 29, 2013, 10:41:48 PM
Thanks for the test! 

Is the 50D HDMI outputting 480p like the 5D2, 550D, 600D and 60D when recording?  Or does it stay at 1080i when using the RAW recorder?

Recording to H.264 automatically switches HDMI output to 480p but RAW recording DOES NOT - it stays at 1080i. Keep in mind though that the 50D right now does not output the sensor data at 16:9. You will instead get a 4:3 image in the middle with black bars on the side. Depending on the monitor you have, you may have a function to crop the output to 16:9.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FadpyNOAY.jpg&hash=471a2232f7578666e3ccf46f8e43d317)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 11:00:36 PM
New resolution test with GregoryOfManhattan's build, using Hacked mode.

Sandisk 32GB 90MB/s CF

3:2 @ 1592x1062 ~ 135 frames
5:3 @ 1952x955 ~ 270 frames
16:9 @ 1592x 895 ~ 480 frames
1.85:1 @ 1592x860 ~ 850 frames
2:1 @ 1592x796 - No skipping!

It can record over 4GB and span! I shot 1592x796 continously, stopped recording manually at 10GB. The buffer is completely fine. But right now the files don't convert properly so it's not usable yet!

Wanted to try anamorphic resolutions like 1440x1062 and 1320x990 but ran out of batteries...

Overall definitely an improvement over the previous build, that gave me these results:

1592×1062 – frame skipping after about 50 frames
1592×840 – frame skipping after about 480 frames
1592×720 – no frame skipping

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 29, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
My quick observations using GregoryOfManhattan's Alpha build:

- Better speed, stable 1592x796 recording (see test above)
- Playback works (B&W, slow speed)
- Buffer improved to 5 stars from 4 stars on my camera
- Way more available resolutions, select width and choose aspect ratio
- 'Digital dolly' mode works!
- Recording with live view button, I don't have to do any kind of work around
- Cropped mode works - display still turns pink but DNG files are fine!
- 4GB+ recording works but the raw files aren't converted properly yet - not usable yet, work in progress
- recording rectable / frame counter is flickering all the time (same as previous build)
- Camera crashes when trying to play back raw files made in cropped mode


I can't recreate the crashes he mentions.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: apefos on May 29, 2013, 11:33:46 PM
I do not have a 50D to do tests, so I do not know if this resolution is already enabled:

1440 x 810 (16:9) is 49MB/s so probably it would be the maximum resolution for 16:9 in 50D

1360 x 768 is also a good option for 16:9
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 29, 2013, 11:44:58 PM
I do not have a 50D to do tests, so I do not know if this resolution is already enabled:

1440 x 810 (16:9) is 49MB/s so probably it would be the maximum resolution for 16:9 in 50D

1360 x 768 is also a good option for 16:9

No need to crop so much. The 50d is fine at 1592 width ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 29, 2013, 11:57:40 PM
No need to crop so much. The 50d is fine at 1592 width ;)

1592 Res is fine for me as well.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 29, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
I am so lucky  ;D: just bought an almost mint 50d for 340 euro including 3 original batteries and original grip. I already have a 64gb 1000x compact flash and some nice m42 takumar lenses so let the fun begin :P
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 12:02:52 AM
Those advances with Gregory's build are extremely promising, still waiting for my 50D..  When I get it it's on. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 30, 2013, 12:03:37 AM
Julian - Your 2.5k upscaled still test is pretty impressive. Easily outresolves H.264 1080p. Nice! 8) We'll need a BMCC vs 50d test soon hehe (yes, I know the BMCC will beat it but by how much?)

...for those that haven't seen it: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/13184955/img/13184955.png
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 12:06:17 AM
I am so lucky  ;D: just bought an almost mint 50d for 340 euro including 3 original batteries and original grip. I already have a 64gb 1000x compact flash and some nice m42 takumar lenses so let the fun begin :P

Nice.. Welcome to the club.  What brand of card do you have?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 12:10:28 AM
Julian - Your 2.5k upscaled still test is pretty impressive. Easily outresolves H.264 1080p. Nice! 8) We'll need a BMCC vs 50d test soon hehe (yes, I know the BMCC will beat it but by how much?)

...for those that haven't seen it: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/13184955/img/13184955.png

Wow!!! that is impressive.. love that log look. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
I still think the Panasonic GH2/G6 will beat the 50D for detail ;) Have to do that test soon... Dynamic range / noise is another thing.
Got some juice in my battery, did some more speed tests on resolutions that will be appreciated  by anamorphic shooters (like me ;)).

1440x1062 ~ 250 frames
1440x960 ~ 370 frames
1440x864 and lower heights without frame skipping at all

1320x1062 - This is an interesting one, ran it several times and results vary wildly, between 250 and 650 frames!

1320x990 - No frame skipping
This will be my new shooting mode of choice on the 50D for 2x anamorphic. It will output 2640x990 (2.66:1) after desqueezing.

1280x1064 - Looks like it's running without problems, but stopped around the 4GB mark. Might have to test more.
5:4 is pretty cool for 2x anamorphic too, gets you 2560x1064 = 2.40:1

Lower resolution variations like 1280x960 and 1320x880 work fine.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: di2010 on May 30, 2013, 12:31:00 AM
if there are other alpha testers interested and standing by with 50D and fast cards, please PM me and i'll arrange to send you a build.

I've got both. How do I get the build you created?

Thanks in advance, Alex
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 12:57:25 AM
The upscale I did had no sharpening applied either. I'd imagine NeatVideo's sharpening would really enhance the footage.

As far as the log look, it's a must for flexible color. I essentially pulled all of the sliders involving shadow, blacks, highlights, and whites as far out as I could. Saturation reduced as well and exposure brought down to pull the sky back. Grades nicely as well.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
Here's the 4k ProRes 4444 of JulianH's footage to play with. Have a go in DaVinci and see the latitude. Way worth the sacrificed resolution.

http://www.qfpost.com/file/d?g=QxEkiKUg1
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 01:20:30 AM
The upscale I did had no sharpening applied either. I'd imagine NeatVideo's sharpening would really enhance the footage.

As far as the log look, it's a must for flexible color. I essentially pulled all of the sliders involving shadow, blacks, highlights, and whites as far out as I could. Saturation reduced as well and exposure brought down to pull the sky back. Grades nicely as well.

Yeah you right with a little sharpening from NeatVideo you would be all set.  Your using (ACR) Right.. that's what I've been doing also with the DNG's for that log look than convert to ProRes 4444, but I don't think I would mess around with the exposure if it's already exposed correctly all depends on the shot.  What do instead I would slide the Highlight recovery until the sky has more detail and Voila.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 01:23:24 AM
Yeah you right with a little sharpening from NeatVideo you would be all set.  Your using (ACR) Right.. that's what I've been doing also with the DNG's for that log look than convert to ProRes 4444, but I don't think I would mess around with the exposure if it's already exposed correctly all depends on the shot.  What do instead I would slide the Highlight recovery until the sky has more detail and Voila.

Precisely. The sky here was a bit hot so highlight recovery did quite a bit. I wanted just a bit more detail from the sky so I pulled the exposure down a bit. I can't believe I'm looking at DSLR footage with this much DR
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 01:25:48 AM
Here's the 4k ProRes 4444 of JulianH's footage to play with. Have a go in DaVinci and see the latitude. Way worth the sacrificed resolution.

http://www.qfpost.com/file/d?g=QxEkiKUg1

Thanks for posting artiswar.  The saturation slider how far back did you slide it? (-20)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 01:30:51 AM
Thanks for posting artiswar.  The saturation slider how far back did you slide it? (-20)

I'm sitting at about -20. -40 is pretty extreme but everything still comes back. Splitting the difference at -30 would be pretty nice.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 01:31:34 AM
Additionally, 50D on its way to me. I'll be testing some Zeiss glass to see if that helps with resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 01:33:41 AM
Precisely. The sky here was a bit hot so highlight recovery did quite a bit. I wanted just a bit more detail from the sky so I pulled the exposure down a bit. I can't believe I'm looking at DSLR footage with this much DR

Right on looking at the footage you make a lot of sense, pull it back for some more detail.  I can't believe how much DR that camera has, you can pull the sky right back no problem.  Now we can really get creative, and have fun with our grades without worrying about extract noise / Codec breakdowns.  It might have a little less sharpness than the GH2, or G6 but at the end I like that softer image it's looks very filmic.  I have a question you up-res the footage in after effects right.. What dimension did you plug in (4... x 2...)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 01:40:21 AM
Additionally, 50D on its way to me. I'll be testing some Zeiss glass to see if that helps with resolution.

Same here waiting on mines, yeah Zeiss glasses would definitely help.  But to me the images are lovely the way they are, with a nice grade it will pop, and the edges will be roll-off, and soft. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 01:43:22 AM
Right on looking at the footage you make a lot of sense, pull it back for some more detail.  I can't believe how much DR that camera has, you can pull the sky right back no problem.  Now we can really get creative, and have fun with our grades without worrying about extract noise / Codec breakdowns.  It might have a little less sharpness than the GH2, or G6 but at the end I like that softer image it's looks very filmic.  I have a question you up-res the footage in after effects right.. What dimension did you plug in (4... x 2...)

I was a die hard anti-Canon, GH2 fanboy. Now, having lost my GH2 body, this is a perfect place to start playing. To me, color rendition matters entirely more than sharpness, especially for web delivery.

My workflow was as follows:

1. Process the DNG files through Camera Raw in PS, save the individual files to .tifs.
2. Open Quicktime Pro 7 (insanely useful application), Select "Open as Image Sequence" from the File drop down menu.
3. Export as ProRes 4444 at 4k resolution.

Having worked DI on sets a couple times, I would be interested in creating an Automator app on Mac that creates a folder structure as follows

Master folder for shot
Subfolders labeled "RAW", "DNG", and "TIF"

Have automator run RAW2DNG for each .raw file and have it render the DNGs to each subfolder.

Then manually process each shot through Camera Raw, rendering to 4444s which would sit inside the shot's master folder.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 30, 2013, 01:49:05 AM
Gorgeous progress on the 50D.
I'm getting continuous 1592x840 filming at 24fps, for a clean 1920 horiz px upscale. Needless to say, send me over the latest builds when they're all set :-D

Untouched.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5321%2F8884511848_e82996edf3_o.jpg&hash=5de69ead3b5754d82990afa46704430d)

Graded and Textured.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5337%2F8884511682_b5975c0012_o.jpg&hash=3f25093e914cd93868fabfd23f580ba9)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 01:51:00 AM
What's with the small 3px black line on all of the 50D stuff I've seen?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 01:59:11 AM
Oooh shoot your the one who made a post about your GH2 being stolen on Personal-View right?  Myself I'm all about the GH2 had a canon before sold it than got my first GH2 now own two.  You right DR, and Color Depth is more important imagine what we can achieve now with a software as powerfull as davinci resolve my head spinning.  Someone will create that software you talking about soon, cause a lot of professionals will be using those hacked canons on projects. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 02:00:28 AM
What's with the small 3px black line on all of the 50D stuff I've seen?

Black pixels. They'll get fixed.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LukeJflowers on May 30, 2013, 02:08:22 AM
Where can we download the raw hack?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 02:11:51 AM
I was a die hard anti-Canon, GH2 fanboy. Now, having lost my GH2 body, this is a perfect place to start playing. To me, color rendition matters entirely more than sharpness, especially for web delivery.

My workflow was as follows:

1. Process the DNG files through Camera Raw in PS, save the individual files to .tifs.
2. Open Quicktime Pro 7 (insanely useful application), Select "Open as Image Sequence" from the File drop down menu.
3. Export as ProRes 4444 at 4k resolution.

Having worked DI on sets a couple times, I would be interested in creating an Automator app on Mac that creates a folder structure as follows

Master folder for shot
Subfolders labeled "RAW", "DNG", and "TIF"

Have automator run RAW2DNG for each .raw file and have it render the DNGs to each subfolder.

Then manually process each shot through Camera Raw, rendering to 4444s which would sit inside the shot's master folder.

It's doable but you'll probably have to do some AppleScript with it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on May 30, 2013, 03:31:55 AM
Gorgeous progress on the 50D.
I'm getting continuous 1592x840 filming at 24fps, for a clean 1920 horiz px upscale. Needless to say, send me over the latest builds when they're all set :-D

Graded and Textured.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5337%2F8884511682_b5975c0012_o.jpg&hash=3f25093e914cd93868fabfd23f580ba9)
First off, Hello everyone! Just registered, I was able to snatch a 50D on ebay for relatively cheap, it's coming in tomorrow and my CF card is coming friday, I'm eager to help out with any testing or workflow solutions.

Secondly, wow, this is great. A little soft as it's not native 1080 but yet the detail kicks the hell out of H.264 to my eyes. Would you mind sharing which card you're using?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LukeJflowers on May 30, 2013, 03:35:54 AM
Where can we download the raw hack?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on May 30, 2013, 03:40:27 AM
User GregoryOfManhattan has asked that those willing to test the newest builds PM him.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 30, 2013, 05:46:40 AM
@CaptainOfObvious and @LukeJflowers current released build is Post #2 of this thread -
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg39086#msg39086
working toward another release.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 06:54:07 AM

Grading test.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on May 30, 2013, 06:55:00 AM
@CaptainOfObvious and @LukeJflowers current released build is Post #2 of this thread -
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg39086#msg39086
working toward another release.

Thanks, look forward to the next one.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 07:34:19 AM
A little video on the HDMI Monitoring . . .

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 30, 2013, 08:06:14 AM
Nice.. Welcome to the club.  What brand of card do you have?

Thank you! I have a komputerbay 1000x 64gb.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AnotherTim on May 30, 2013, 11:33:37 AM

Grading test.

I did a similar grade - great minds think alike! No sharpening on mine though - I think it has a smoother look without.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbrightideasmedia.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fstorage%2Ffourktest-1st%2520grade.jpg&hash=dcc069e908e6546e723385d729df9f41)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Nice :) Are you guys interested in more DNG footage from the 50D?

I'm planning on shooting something more this evening, would be nice to see your grades on it! I'll upload some DNG sequences. Going to shoot in 16:9 @ 1592x 896, this gives me about 480 frames, or 20 seconds.

Also will do a test with a Nikkor 80-400mm VR II in 10x cropped mode..  ;D I can get 320 frames at 1600x900 :)
What is the actual crop factor in 10x zoom?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on May 30, 2013, 12:58:04 PM
Well, i would be interested at some dng footage.
I realy love the fact (psychologic i'm sure it is) that i can grade in lightroom instead of vegas
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AnotherTim on May 30, 2013, 01:07:51 PM
More DNG's as much as you can!

I'm trying to find the best way to work with these files. What is everyone doing for noise & moire? Neat video? Lightroom?

I want to regrade this to get a cleaner look.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 30, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
More DNG's as much as you can!

I'm trying to find the best way to work with these files. What is everyone doing for noise & moire? Neat video? Lightroom?

I want to regrade this to get a cleaner look.


Lightroom will do the job, but neat video is also really good. But I see some strange thing in your video:

1) Are these a few loops?
2) I see flickering... But this might have to do with issue 1.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 01:43:36 PM
Probably because of the loops. Beware when editing in ACR or Lightroom, it can cause flickering when you use the shadows/highlight recovery sliders. If you switch to process version 2010 that's solved, but you don't have the same controls.

will upload a big pack of dng's tonight.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 30, 2013, 01:47:17 PM
Probably because of the loops. Beware when editing in ACR or Lightroom, it can cause flickering when you use the shadows/highlight recovery sliders. If you switch to process version 2010 that's solved, but you don't have the same controls.

will upload a big pack of dng's tonight.

Good tip! Thx :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AnotherTim on May 30, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
Lightroom will do the job, but neat video is also really good. But I see some strange thing in your video:

1) Are these a few loops?
2) I see flickering... But this might have to do with issue 1.

Yes. I looped it since the clip was quite short. I think the flickering is to do with a brighter part of the sky looping in & out of frame.
Compression seems to be hiding some of the issues, my original export has far more moire. For me that will be the last piece of the puzzle.


BTW i don't have lightroom (got my eye on creative cloud though). I used color finesse in AE, exported to DNxHD for viewing & compressed to H.264 720p for vimeo.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AnotherTim on May 30, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
I've been trying to simultaneously buy a 50d & work out the worst case scenario (which at the time was raw being unusable for some reason).

Can anyone tell me their first hand experience of working with 50d H.264 footage from the latest stable version? Is it exactly the same as rebel H.264 footage.

I'll probably use this as a B-cam more often than for raw video. Is there anything i need to know.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on May 30, 2013, 02:42:31 PM
Beware when editing in ACR or Lightroom, it can cause flickering when you use the shadows/highlight recovery sliders.

Even if you copy/paste the exact same settings to all of the dng's?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 30, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
I can imagine the algorithm decides to do something with highlight recovery / black levels depending on the situation. If there is some sort of flickering this might be emphasized by the algorithm...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 30, 2013, 03:28:03 PM
I have a question regarding the h264 VIDEO of the 50D (not raw frames). In the Canon menu, I have "Exposure Simulation" clicked to "on" to eliminate the auto-exposure in Live View. However when I try to record the video, it automatically jumps BACK to auto exposure, which immediately ceases once I stop recording. I'm sure it's because I'm late to the 50D party but, how can I fix this issue?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 04:59:13 PM
I have a question regarding the h264 VIDEO of the 50D (not raw frames). In the Canon menu, I have "Exposure Simulation" clicked to "on" to eliminate the auto-exposure in Live View. However when I try to record the video, it automatically jumps BACK to auto exposure, which immediately ceases once I stop recording. I'm sure it's because I'm late to the 50D party but, how can I fix this issue?

Set the camera to "Manual (M)" mode and set "Exposure Overwrite" to ON in ML menus.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 30, 2013, 05:59:35 PM
Set the camera to "Manual (M)" mode and set "Exposure Overwrite" to ON in ML menus.
D'oh!
Well'p that helped. Thanks man :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on May 30, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
Anyone else using a RPP workflow? To be more specific I'm doing:

Raw2dng ->RPP w/ Blur chroma, Auto WB and 5 Sharpening (to 16bit Tiff) ->MpegStreamClip (to ProRes444). Pretty happy with the results, but RPP's interface leaves a lot to be learned.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 07:09:25 PM
I'd love more DNGs. As far as flickering, it seems to be from the looping. I'll have cam in hand tomorrow so I'll get some tests up as well.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: seifer on May 30, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
I don't know too much about this but would it be possible to capture in 12-bit raw instead of 14-bit (I think this is right) that is currently being recorded? That way you should be able to capture higher res with less buffer usage, and maybe make 1920 a captureable res without dropping frames.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 30, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
has anyone been able to process spanned .raw .r01 .r0... files generated on the 50D?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
I'm going out now to shoot. Will make a nice collection of DNG's to play with. Have a nice idea to make a grading collaboration video to show off 'the power of raw' as well :)

@Gregory: How should I process the spanned files with raw2dng? just drag and drop like other files? I thought I read somewhere I should do something else, but can't find it...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 30, 2013, 07:26:34 PM
50D party may be over - merging with the latest unified, builds are not producing spanned raw files which can be processed with the latest 04a39e3 modules/raw_rec/raw2dng
getting the Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
How were spanned files from the MKII being processed? I find it hard to believe there isn't a work around.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 30, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
@JulianH - cut before span - no shots longer 4G

latest raw2dng is supposed to be able to start from the first .RAW and continue through .R01, ...
not working with 50D files.
(also tried making a 16G cat of all of the .R files - that didn't work either.)

not sure that this is a "bug" we can report as  50D raw is not supported.

looks like something is slightly off for the 50D when the span happens.
you can get pink noise version of your images if you raw2dng the last .R0_ file
you may be able to recover the first file with the footer fix.

safest for now to not shoot longer than 4G
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
Gregory, have you tried this (what you describe as merging?):
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.msg41045#msg41045
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 07:47:52 PM
New 50D video posted on vimeo

Not a valid youtube URL
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 30, 2013, 07:53:01 PM
referring to a code merge with current code from the unified branch
Code: [Select]
hg merge unified
building and using the very latest raw2dng
Code: [Select]
$./magiclantern/magic-lantern/modules/raw_rec/raw2dng /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/M30-1055.RAW
Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

did try the "cat" command to join the raws - but this should not be required with the current raw2dng

will need more time and help from others to resolve the file spanning.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 30, 2013, 08:00:56 PM
referring to a code merge with current code from the unified branch
Code: [Select]
hg merge unified
building and using the very latest raw2dng
Code: [Select]
$./magiclantern/magic-lantern/modules/raw_rec/raw2dng /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/M30-1055.RAW
Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

did try the "cat" command to join the raws - but this should not be required with the current raw2dng

will need more time and help from others to resolve the file spanning.

Thank you for all your work & efforts to try getting the 50D unified, and file spanning.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 08:12:02 PM
has anyone been able to process spanned .raw .r01 .r0... files generated on the 50D?

I'd be glad to test the new build. I sent you a PM with my email.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 30, 2013, 08:17:41 PM
Gregory, if I can get a hold of those .raws I'd be glad to start working on it. SoShareIt should be able to handle those sizes.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on May 30, 2013, 08:49:07 PM
I have raw working fine on the 5DMiii - but I'm new to the 50D and probably making a naive mistake in the setup.

1. I have the regular 50D ML setup right on the 50D
2. I used the 'autoexec.bin' file for the 50D, from one of the first posts in this thread, to replace the autoexec file that was in the regular ML setup.
3. I copied the MODULES folder from the link in that same 50D post near the top of this thread.

I get a message along the lines of  'Scripts folder missing', but I can load the modules and the raw menu items work in the 50D

BUT - even when shooting at, say, 1280 x 720, using a 1000x Komputerbay 64GB card,  data rate peaks at about 20Mbits/sec and frame skipping happens in about 10 seconds.  I'm sure I've screwed something up.  I don't mind learning on my own and waiting a while to get things working - but I'd appreciate any tips that you might offer.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on May 30, 2013, 09:27:24 PM
50D party may be over - merging with the latest unified, builds are not producing spanned raw files which can be processed with the latest 04a39e3 modules/raw_rec/raw2dng
getting the Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

Hello guys, I have just been reading this forum since a few days and I am astonished with all the work you have done and the results you are getting with this camera.......I just got a 50d yesterday and I should be receiving it in a few days.

My congrats to Gregory, Andy, Julian and the rest for all the time and efford they are putting in this task.......and I hope the party is not over yet....I am still dreaming with 2K RAW on the 50d......
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 30, 2013, 09:41:00 PM
I am still dreaming with 2K RAW on the 50d
Well, stop dreaming. 2K is impossible.

Not because the write speed is to low but because the 50D's maximal resolution is 1592 X 1062 (Without crops). You can't get 20 Megapixel from a 12 Megapixel sensor and you can't get 2K from a 1592 X 1062 LiveView image.

But higher framerates than 24 frames per second might be possible in the future.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 30, 2013, 09:53:46 PM
hello quys

i am strugelin withe the latest build on my 550d reachin 1280*480 19fps....

now..what you think will it be possible to get a horizontel of 1920 or near that on the 50d in the future.

otherwise i will safe my money for a 5dm3;-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Dannington on May 30, 2013, 09:55:49 PM
2k (or 3k or 4k) refers to the horizontal resolution of the image, not the overall pixel count.  The sensor on the 50d is over 4k wide.  Is it the live view buffer you're talking about?

I'm really looking forward to someone giving the 40d a good go as it's sensor is lower res but still over 3k wide (and i've got one).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 10:06:41 PM
The live view in full sensor mode is restricted to 1592 wide. In cropped mode it's wider, maximum 1992. As far as I understand there is no way it's resolutions are going to get any wider than that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 30, 2013, 10:13:13 PM
Don't worry, I know what 2K is. And I am very sure that it is not possible for the 50D to record 2K raw videos at any frame rate.

The actual resolution of the 50D's sensor may be 4752 X 3168 (15 Megapixel) but Canon doesn't read the full sensor and downscale it to every resolution we want but simply skips columns and lines to get the LiveView image.

And that's what Magic Lantern's raw video is: The LiveView image.

Since something like 2048 X 1152 (16:9) 14-bit raw video at 24 frames per second would require 95 Megabyte/s write speed, the write speed is not the biggest issue. But I doubt that there's a way to increase the LiveView image's resolution without replacing the Canon Firmware ...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 30, 2013, 10:16:34 PM
@julian

that will be the neckbrackin problem....

we will see what the future brings;-)

the raw.rec module is a nice plaything at at the moment but nothing else!! exept the 5dm3
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 10:20:21 PM
Why is that a neckbreaking problem. It's not all about resolution. Compare 1920x1080p standard h264 footage to 1592x864 50D raw... guess what I prefer?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 30, 2013, 11:15:29 PM
please post links to color issues in raw recordings - DNGs and jpgs.
are zoom mode recordings looking different?
or if it all looks good, let us know.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 11:22:48 PM
I'd be glad to test the new build. I sent you a PM with my email.

 :P   . . Well, silly me . . . it was in my junk folder all this time! Darn Microsoft, they throw away the things you want, and send you the things you don't!

Major props go to GregoryOfManhattan for the prompt response . . . and to the entire ML Dev team for all the help. Much appreciated!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 30, 2013, 11:30:14 PM
please post links to color issues in raw recordings - DNGs and jpgs.
are zoom mode recordings looking different?
or if it all looks good, let us know.
Normal mode colors are fine (working on footage now, will make a lot of DNG's available)
In 5x zoom mode colors are weird (lot of green in the shadows), impossible to correct in ACR properly I think.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fmed_gallery_20742_64_109957.jpg&hash=f3846314a77157c397608f1c4bc166d7)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 11:30:30 PM
D'oh!
Well'p that helped. Thanks man :)

 ;D Gladly . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 30, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Normal mode colors are fine (working on footage now, will make a lot of DNG's available)
In 5x zoom mode colors are weird (lot of green in the shadows), impossible to correct in ACR properly I think.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fmed_gallery_20742_64_109957.jpg&hash=f3846314a77157c397608f1c4bc166d7)

The halos aren't cool but the green kind of gives it a filmic look . . . I kind of like it!

But play around with it in ACR. It may need some work to get rid of the greens though.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 30, 2013, 11:38:03 PM
Normal mode colors are fine (working on footage now, will make a lot of DNG's available)
In 5x zoom mode colors are weird (lot of green in the shadows), impossible to correct in ACR properly I think.


Can you provide a DNG? Do I see correctly that the native resolution of the frame is 1920x1056 ? Very nice for a "plaything" ! ;-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: father_v on May 30, 2013, 11:52:41 PM
50D party may be over - merging with the latest unified, builds are not producing spanned raw files which can be processed with the latest 04a39e3 modules/raw_rec/raw2dng
getting the Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

the party's over already? I just bought a 50D on the offchance this was going to pull through, haha, i guess if it seems too good to be true...

As mentioned previously, this isn't really a bug as it's unsupported, but perhaps in light of the 50D's latent capabilities is there any chance developers will take a look to get raw working again for it?

thanks to everyone for taking it as far as it's come already, unbelievable really.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 30, 2013, 11:57:17 PM
It's still early days! The 'bugs' will be fixed.  ::)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 12:04:27 AM
Can you provide a DNG? Do I see correctly that the native resolution of the frame is 1920x1056 ? Very nice for a "plaything" ! ;-)
You just see the output settings below. I shot at 1600x900. 1920x1056 is possible theoretically, but the 50D can't keep up with the speed needed for that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 31, 2013, 12:06:01 AM
Don't worry, I know what 2K is. And I am very sure that it is not possible for the 50D to record 2K raw videos at any frame rate.

The actual resolution of the 50D's sensor may be 4752 X 3168 (15 Megapixel) but Canon doesn't read the full sensor and downscale it to every resolution we want but simply skips columns and lines to get the LiveView image.

And that's what Magic Lantern's raw video is: The LiveView image.

Since something like 2048 X 1152 (16:9) 14-bit raw video at 24 frames per second would require 95 Megabyte/s write speed, the write speed is not the biggest issue. But I doubt that there's a way to increase the LiveView image's resolution without replacing the Canon Firmware ...

But when you think about it, in stills mode it is indeed a 4K camera. If you shot a RAW stills time-lapse, it would in fact be a 4K RAW sequence.

So, what is the process to grab the full 4K stills frames?? . . . Perhaps a module could be written to hijack the process that reads the sensor and get rid of all the line skipping? I know that we will not be able to do 4K - the write speeds just aren't there - but perhaps we could improve color rendition and problems like moire . . .

Just thinking out loud . . . feel free to debunk me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 12:08:14 AM
the party's over already? I just bought a 50D on the offchance this was going to pull through, haha, i guess if it seems too good to be true...

As mentioned previously, this isn't really a bug as it's unsupported, but perhaps in light of the 50D's latent capabilities is there any chance developers will take a look to get raw working again for it?

thanks to everyone for taking it as far as it's come already, unbelievable really.

Honestly the issue Gregory mention seems like an easy fix. It's on the OS side of things. And only for spanned footage.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 12:12:02 AM
The file spanning issues are still a problem for the 5d3 too and A1ex has been working on them (a lot). There are newer commits specifically related to the issue and changes have been made since Gregory posted his update. There is also a new raw2dng.exe. I could pull Gregory's build and compile with the latest commits but maybe he is already on it? Gregory?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 12:14:05 AM
Here are some greenish DNG's from the 5x crop mode (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/abe691810a3fc013c880b20ee65aa6bb20130530220816/ea8f756fbcaeab21db01e8ef418a35cf20130530220816/e9da87)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 12:21:04 AM
The file spanning issues are still a problem for the 5d3 too and A1ex has been working on them (a lot). There are newer commits specifically related to the issue and changes have been made since Gregory posted his update. There is also a new raw2dng.exe. I could pull Gregory's build and compile with the latest commits but maybe he is already on it? Gregory?

Continually blowing minds. Good on all of you guys.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 12:23:19 AM
I'm looking through the source files and it looks as though the 50d hasn't actually been added to something important so it isn't calibrated correctly (if at all). It looks like it's guessing or assuming settings from other cameras to get it's black point and I suspect this will have a lot to do with magenta or green casts. I could be wrong but it looks like raw.c needs some work.

Scrub that. I wasn't looking at Gregory's changed raw.c. Just looking over them now to see if I can spot anything.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 31, 2013, 12:25:38 AM
@ menoc:

Another way to get higher resolutions:

Use 5X crop mode. Capture first frame, move the AF-box, capture second frame, move the AF-box, capture third frame, move the AF-box, fourth frame, reset the AF-box to the first position and repeat the whole thing.

In post just merge the 4 frames together - On the 50D you would get almost 4K!

But I don't see this working at 24 frames per second.

And the file spanning thing should be solved soon. Btw. why aren't you just using exFat like on the 600D and 5D Mark III to record over 4 GB in one file? Doesn't that work on the 50D?

And the green tint is a black level issue. Should bee easy to fix that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 31, 2013, 12:27:47 AM
But when you think about it, in stills mode it is indeed a 4K camera. If you shot a RAW stills time-lapse, it would in fact be a 4K RAW sequence.

So, what is the process to grab the full 4K stills frames?? . . . Perhaps a module could be written to hijack the process that reads the sensor and get rid of all the line skipping? I know that we will not be able to do 4K - the write speeds just aren't there - but perhaps we could improve color rendition and problems like moire . . .

Just thinking out loud . . . feel free to debunk me.

From what I have gathered so far, the ARM CPU in all Canon EOS is not fast enough to do any kind of real-time processing on the image data (like scaling, or bit reduction). The other problem would be that at 4K resolution, DMA probably puts a heavy burden on the SDRAM bandwidth, limiting other bus masters which access the memory area.

But what I still need to understand is why the maximum resolution increases in live view when the zoom mode is being used. I understand that Magic Lantern is currently using the default Canon register settings for the DIGIC4, which controls the downsampling of the sensor image data before it's written to SDRAM for Live View. The different screen sizes are a result of a EDMAC copy with different size parameters from that area.

The question now is: how flexible is DIGIC4 in downsampling the sensor data before it's written to SDRAM?

Sorry if I sound like a total noob, but I'm still reading my way through the sorce code and the reverse engineered register list.  :-[
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 12:30:51 AM
@ menoc:

Another way to get higher resolutions:

Use 5X crop mode. Capture first frame, move the AF-box, capture second frame, move the AF-box, capture third frame, move the AF-box, fourth frame, reset the AF-box to the first position and repeat the whole thing.

In post just merge the 4 frames together - On the 50D you would get almost 4K!

But I don't see this working at 24 frames per second.

And the file spanning thing should be solved soon. Btw. why aren't you just using exFat like on the 600D and 5D Mark III to record over 4 GB in one file? Doesn't that work on the 50D?

And the green tint is a black level issue. Should bee easy to fix that.

That would be a neat work around.

I'm assuming no exFAT due to the CF slot limitations.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 31, 2013, 12:32:31 AM
Re: File splitting;

Are you sure this camera doesn't support exfat? I have no large file problems on SD cameras. A1ex fixed card full footer writing or at least appears so.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: father_v on May 31, 2013, 12:33:43 AM
@andy600 - 'bugs' perhaps not the greatest term when talking about nightly builds - apologies.

as a longterm ML user but development rookie i guess i wasn't sure what constitutes official ML support & whether that extends to the 50D.... you'll hear no complaints or demands from me, the work you've all done is amazing.

anyway cam arrived today & fast card should be here end of week so will get going with whatever limited testing I can offer - cheers!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 12:36:25 AM
The 50d is NEVER going to get 4k 24fps video EVER. It's just not capable. Even if the devs managed to get something like 8bit motion jpeg working it would still not be powerful or fast enough to handle that much data. The maximum dimensions are dictated by the raw sensor data that feeds LV. In other camera bodies (i.e. the 600d) changing the jpeg/raw mode could alter frame sizes but that is not implemented in the 50d and I don't know if it ever will be or if it will have any effect. The biggest frame dimensions we will get are what it stated on page one of this topic. What we need is normal and crop modes working as well as possible within the confines of CF writing speed limits. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
Re: File splitting;

Are you sure this camera doesn't support exfat? I have no large file problems on SD cameras. A1ex fixed card full footer writing or at least appears so.

Would this be a rewrite somewhere in the source or a format on a PC for the card?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
@andy600 - 'bugs' perhaps not the greatest term when talking about nightly builds - apologies.

as a longterm ML user but development rookie i guess i wasn't sure what constitutes official ML support & whether that extends to the 50D.... you'll hear no complaints or demands from me, the work you've all done is amazing.

anyway cam arrived today & fast card should be here end of week so will get going with whatever limited testing I can offer - cheers!

Don't thank me ;) I haven't really done anything yet :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 12:39:36 AM
Would this be a rewrite somewhere in the source or a format on a PC for the card?

Format the CF to exfat in a computer
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 12:41:37 AM
Format the CF to exfat in a computer
Cards and cam in hand by Monday but by then I'm sure this will be a thing of the past. So the spanning issue originates in the segmentation based on a FAT32 system?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 12:43:29 AM
@1% - If you have 2 mins can you have a peek at Gregory's pull request, specifically the raw.c changes and see if anything jumps out at you that would/might cause this green/magenta issue in crop mode.

Also I'm looking at lines 438 & 439. I presume these define the max raw image size of the 50d? If so they are wrong. They are showing the same dimensions as the 60d which has an 18MP sensor.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 31, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
So does exFat work on the 50D?

If it does, you won't need file spanning.

Just format the card in your PC and make it bootable with EOScard.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on May 31, 2013, 01:06:39 AM
Here are some greenish DNG's from the 5x crop mode (https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/abe691810a3fc013c880b20ee65aa6bb20130530220816/ea8f756fbcaeab21db01e8ef418a35cf20130530220816/e9da87)

Not using ACR, but Raw Photo Processor seems to have done a decent job with it.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0ZdTy9Q.jpg&hash=488c271526f7f9e3c9f69e57772b2cf8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 01:17:29 AM
Still quite a lot of green in the blacks Captain.

I'll try exFat tomorrow. Really have to get some sleep now - after I upload the footage I shot today :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 01:19:37 AM
@1% - If you have 2 mins can you have a peek at Gregory's pull request, specifically the raw.c changes and see if anything jumps out at you that would/might cause this green/magenta issue in crop mode.

Also I'm looking at lines 438 & 439. I presume these define the max raw image size of the 50d? If so they are wrong. They are showing the same dimensions as the 60d which has an 18MP sensor.

in http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg42456#msg42456 , i said there are 6 camera specific conditionals for which the values need to be confirmed for the 50D.

the ones around line 438 are commented out and inactive - they are for QR_MODE - image review after taking pics.
Code: [Select]
/*        #if defined(CONFIG_50D) NEED Raw dump to get correct values
        width = 5344;
        height = 3516;
        skip_left = 142;
        skip_right = 0;
        skip_top = 50;
        #endif
*/

so let's get the correct values for the Raw image size - though this likely will not help the tint issues.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 01:23:48 AM
Sorry Gregory, I should have read your notes first  :-[ So it's playback related. I'm gonna try work it out.

BTW are you seeing any black borders on DNGs?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on May 31, 2013, 01:27:19 AM
Still quite a lot of green in the blacks Captain.

I'll try exFat tomorrow. Really have to get some sleep now - after I upload the footage I shot today :)

Indeed, not ideal. I just wanted to see what RPP would do with it's autoWB. With some further tweaking I was able to push it further towards proper white balance. Wish I could help out with the exfat question, I have my 50D in hand but CF card comes wednesday!  :-\
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
BTW are you seeing any black borders on DNGs?
1592 width has two black pixels on the left.
I think it depends on the resolution. There are a lot now :) Can check if needed which ones give black borders or not. Let me know!

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 01:40:30 AM
Panning mode working on the 50D. Shot at 1592x530 to show some movement.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 01:42:30 AM
@Gregory - I've just read the notes for running a raw dump through img.py and it's well beyond what I can do with my limited knowledge. It's the only way to get it accurate.

Have you tried altering the skip values to get rid of the 2px border (maybe line 323 should be 74?). I think these might also affect black point calc. (I seem to remember 1% saying something about it).




Thanks @JulianH
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
Re: File splitting;

Are you sure this camera doesn't support exfat? I have no large file problems on SD cameras. A1ex fixed card full footer writing or at least appears so.
those fixes are not working on 50D, file splits at 4G, but then cannot be processed by raw2ndg
this is using code from today such as unified commit e4fc7c7
few more details at:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43110#msg43110

exFat does not affects the ability of raw_rec.c to segment into files and raw2dng to process the files.

i'd be willing to try exFat it if the contrib make-bootable played nice with osx diskutil (or someone has another gpt/sg/fdisk command suggestion known to work on osx 10.8)
Code: [Select]
$diskutil eraseDisk exFAT EOS_DIGITAL  disk1
Started erase on disk1
Unmounting disk
Creating the partition map
Waiting for the disks to reappear
Formatting disk1s2 as ExFAT with name EOS_DIGITAL
Volume name      : EOS_DIGITAL
Partition offset : 411648 sectors (210763776 bytes)
Volume size      : 62107648 sectors (31799115776 bytes)
Bytes per sector : 512
Bytes per cluster: 32768
FAT offset       : 2048 sectors (1048576 bytes)
# FAT sectors    : 8192
Number of FATs   : 1
Cluster offset   : 10240 sectors (5242880 bytes)
# Clusters       : 970272
Volume Serial #  : 51a7e1ed
Bitmap start     : 2
Bitmap file size : 121284
Upcase start     : 6
Upcase file size : 5836
Root start       : 7
Mounting disk
Finished erase on disk1

$ sudo sh contrib/make-bootable/make_bootable.sh
Found /dev/disk1s2
Volume EOS_DIGITAL on disk1s2 unmounted
Error: /dev/disk1s2 is not a FAT16, FAT32 of EXFAT device
Format your card in camera before using this script
debug /dev/disk1s2 (

fat32 is no problem
Code: [Select]
diskutil eraseDisk FAT32 EOS_DIGITAL  disk1
Started erase on disk1
Unmounting disk
Creating the partition map
Waiting for the disks to reappear
Formatting disk1s2 as MS-DOS (FAT32) with name EOS_DIGITAL
512 bytes per physical sector
/dev/rdisk1s2: 62077280 sectors in 1939915 FAT32 clusters (16384 bytes/cluster)
bps=512 spc=32 res=32 nft=2 mid=0xf8 spt=32 hds=255 hid=411648 drv=0x80 bsec=62107648 bspf=15156 rdcl=2 infs=1 bkbs=6
Mounting disk
Finished erase on disk1

$ sudo sh contrib/make-bootable/make_bootable.sh
Found /dev/disk1s2
Volume EOS_DIGITAL on disk1s2 unmounted
Applying FAT32 parameters on /dev/disk1s2 device:
 writing EOS_DEVELOP at offset 71 (Volume label)
11+0 records in
11+0 records out
11 bytes transferred in 0.000376 secs (29256 bytes/sec)
 writing BOOTDISK at offset 92 (Boot code)
8+0 records in
8+0 records out
8 bytes transferred in 0.000409 secs (19565 bytes/sec)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 02:03:02 AM
I think 1% is saying that splitting files isn't needed at all with exFat but I don't think exFat is supported in the 50d.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 02:06:35 AM
hey Andy600,
yes, this is what we need to adjust.

@Gregory get rid of the 2px border (maybe line 323 should be 74?). I think these might also affect black point calc. (I seem to remember 1% saying something about it).

Quote
         * The RAW file has unused areas, usually black; we need to skip them.
         * To find the skip values, start with 0,
         * load the RAW in your favorite photo editor (e.g. ufraw+gimp),
         * then find the usable area, read the coords and plug the skip values here.
         *
         * Try to use even offsets only, otherwise the colors will be screwed up.

for raw file we have in the code now (and perhaps need to adjust)

        skip_top    22;
        skip_left   = 72;
        skip_right  = 0;
        skip_bottom = 0;

for zoomed in raw we have in the code now and need to adjust
        skip_top    = 50;
        skip_left   = 72;
        skip_right  = 0;
        skip_bottom = 0;

can someone please load in a processed raw of each type and measure how many pixels off we are.

Julian sees 2 black pixels on left is that for zoomed or not or both?
the zoomed in image is the one with the potential black point shift - see any more black edges?

wonder what happens if we crop too much off here?


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 31, 2013, 02:10:39 AM
I think 1% is saying that splitting files isn't needed at all with exFat
Right.

I was able to record a 7 GB file with exFat on the 600d. And to process it with Raw2Dng.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 02:14:47 AM

wonder what happens if we crop too much off here?

It says to keep offsets to even numbers or the colors get screwed. Changing the value will either screw the image or adjust the border. It wont do any damage. I think it's been done by trial and error on the other bodies. My guess is that skipping 2 px will remove the border and any more will probably distort the image.

If the Black point is calculated on an image with any black border it will be off. This might fix the color cast... might  ???

I also noted the white point has a universal value of 15000 apart from the 6d which is 13000. I wonder what playing with this will do? We have a different sensor so it might need tuning more.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 02:18:10 AM
Man you guy's are moving so fast with the build updates  ;D  Keep up the good work @Gregory my camera should be coming this weekend I'll be able to help than.  @JulianH once again another great test like that panning option so cool. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 02:20:00 AM

My results for today. The video is graded in ACR. I did reduce some moire on the water :)
Download the original. Shot at 1592x864, upsized to 1080p.

Will upload dng's tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 02:32:53 AM
@JulianH - Very nice :) You can pick out colour and texture in the harbor wall that would usually be trashed by H.264.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 02:34:30 AM

My results for today. The video is graded in ACR. I did reduce some moire on the water :)
Download the original. Shot at 1592x864, upsized to 1080p.

Will upload dng's tomorrow.

Wow Wow Wow!!!! Great video Julian.. I don't care what anybody says the 50D is by far the most filmic out of all the Canon's including the 5D Mark III. The images are soo organic looking it gives you that celluloid feel, the colors texture is unmatched Love it. Glad that I got a 50D, I think the resolution is just perfect not too sharp, not too soft just right. Keep it up Julian will be shooting some test footage soon as I get my 50D in the mail Cheers.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 02:40:26 AM
@JulianH - Very nice :)

Love the 50D footage looks amazing.  The 5D Mark III don't have that organic celluloid nature the way it renders the images, The cadence & motion is by far the best in the canon line-up.  Now let's get that build stable in functioning a 100%.  Did you get your card yet?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 31, 2013, 02:44:49 AM
That footage looks absolutely incredible!

I'm off to buy a CF card today... So just a question, what sort of bit rate does the 50D go up to, or how fast can it go in the read/write tests? Is it limited to 50mb/s or there abouts?

Will a 60mb/s card fare well enough?

Sandisc 90mb/s is about twice the price... Which I'm willing to buy if it makes a difference.

I ran a benchmark on the cards that came with the camera.... 6mb/s write speed hahaha. Not nearly using the camera to its potential, if using burst mode or whatever!



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 02:45:01 AM
Did you get your card yet?

It's not in my hands but it's arrived in the country. Got to pick it up but never had a chance today and I missed delivery of another 'temporary' card that I bought locally while waiting. I think I used up all my luck getting the camera cheap :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 02:53:24 AM
Any idea from anyone out there if the Mosaic Engineering AAF for the 60D would fit the 50D? Could be a nice solution for the moire and aliasing issues.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 31, 2013, 02:56:39 AM
hmmm yeah I wouldnt commit to buying one just yet...

As best I know they basically are optimised for the 1080p resolution for standard video, if you recorded in 720p it doesnt quite work as intended.

Since we're not necessarily recording at a size/resolution/etc which is comparable to standard 1080p, it may come out strange.

It's annoying that they're such a niche item though, it's not as though you can just borrow one from your neighbour to test haha.

Although my understanding of how it works may be incorrect... I'd definitely just ask a lot of questions before committing $$$ to it though.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 03:00:38 AM
hmmm yeah I wouldnt commit to buying one just yet...

As best I know they basically are optimised for the 1080p resolution for standard video, if you recorded in 720p it doesnt quite work as intended.

Since we're not necessarily recording at a size/resolution/etc which is comparable to standard 1080p, it may come out strange.

It's annoying that they're such a niche item though, it's not as though you can just borrow one from your neighbour to test haha.

Although my understanding of how it works may be incorrect... I'd definitely just ask a lot of questions before committing $$$ to it though.

Good call. There're some other DIY options I want to try first anyway.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 03:04:19 AM
It's not in my hands but it's arrived in the country. Got to pick it up but never had a chance today and I missed delivery of another 'temporary' card that I bought locally while waiting. I think I used up all my luck getting the camera cheap :D

Lol.. at least the card is here for pick-up.  I have to wait a couple more days to get the camera & card I'm patient.  In the meantime I'm clearing out space from my Hard-Drive & updating my system from Adobe CS5.5 to CS6 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 31, 2013, 03:20:41 AM
Back from my test shoot with yesterday's build on the 50D w/ some great results. I'll show some updated images in a few after processing the .RAW files shortly :) It's turning out better and better!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 31, 2013, 03:30:26 AM
Not using ACR, but Raw Photo Processor seems to have done a decent job with it.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0ZdTy9Q.jpg&hash=488c271526f7f9e3c9f69e57772b2cf8)

Green'ish blacks looks much like Kodak Portra film with that frame.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 04:24:20 AM
hear good things from KahL and JulianH who have been testing this build.
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/50D-2013May28build.zip

if you are new to ML or 50D, please
1. Make sure you can install and use the officially release Magic Lantern 2.3 with beautiful h.264 1920x1080 video on the 50D. http://www.magiclantern.fm/releasenotes
2. Read the "RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST" http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
3. remember that this is alpha - things will break, when in doubt pull it out - the battery. if you set up an action sequence and the train rolls up on cue as the actor in the jeep pulls up, and he jumps off the jeep runs up to a boxcar and jumps onto the rolling train - your shot may be lost or ruined with alpha code.
4. there may be quirks where for example the first recording after loading a battery fails with dropped frames but everything thereafter works. 

lets see some more raw videos. please share your results and workflow.
regards,
gregory





if you don't know how to use it, stick with the release
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 31, 2013, 04:33:52 AM
@ menoc:

Another way to get higher resolutions:

Use 5X crop mode. Capture first frame, move the AF-box, capture second frame, move the AF-box, capture third frame, move the AF-box, fourth frame, reset the AF-box to the first position and repeat the whole thing.

In post just merge the 4 frames together - On the 50D you would get almost 4K!

But I don't see this working at 24 frames per second.

And the file spanning thing should be solved soon. Btw. why aren't you just using exFat like on the 600D and 5D Mark III to record over 4 GB in one file? Doesn't that work on the 50D?

And the green tint is a black level issue. Should bee easy to fix that.

See what you're saying but as you capturing multiple Liveview grabs per frame would require perhaps a faster processor. Who knows, they may figure it out at some point. Remember, a year ago all the developers swore that RAW was impossible!!

The 50D's hardware itself does not support exFat. Only the newer cameras and the 5D3 supports it. But the thing is that if we can do seamless file spanning (files that have no time breaks or skipped frames between them) then Fat32 is not an issue.

It'll be interesting to see where we are by August or September of this year.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 31, 2013, 04:35:30 AM
Okay I just bought a Sandisk 90mb/s 16gb.

Ran an initial speed test in the 50D- 35-39mb/s :(

However after reformatting, following this guide:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/113967-ssd-alignment.html

It's now getting between 60-70mbs! Quite a remarkable difference just on account of formatting in a particular way.

Still not as good as 100mb/s or whatever from Komputerbay but I was impatient and this was the best I could get today haha.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: leggman7 on May 31, 2013, 04:43:40 AM
Great work everybody on getting this done! Given the subject of this thread, is this close to happening on the 40d as well?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 31, 2013, 04:56:16 AM
From what I have gathered so far, the ARM CPU in all Canon EOS is not fast enough to do any kind of real-time processing on the image data (like scaling, or bit reduction). The other problem would be that at 4K resolution, DMA probably puts a heavy burden on the SDRAM bandwidth, limiting other bus masters which access the memory area.

But what I still need to understand is why the maximum resolution increases in live view when the zoom mode is being used. I understand that Magic Lantern is currently using the default Canon register settings for the DIGIC4, which controls the downsampling of the sensor image data before it's written to SDRAM for Live View. The different screen sizes are a result of a EDMAC copy with different size parameters from that area.

The question now is: how flexible is DIGIC4 in downsampling the sensor data before it's written to SDRAM?

Sorry if I sound like a total noob, but I'm still reading my way through the sorce code and the reverse engineered register list.  :-[

My guess is that in order to make the crop mode usable, Canon engineers probably had to increase the resolution but for monitoring through the LCD you don't need that much resolution - it was meant just to be a display, plain and simple. But this suggests that there is a lot of upscaling and downscaling going on before the data gets to SDRAM. I don't know that hijacking that process is doable as it may require modifying the firmware
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 05:42:38 AM
hear good things from KahL and JulianH who have been testing this build.
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/50D-2013May28build.zip

if you are new to ML or 50D, please
1. Make sure you can install and use the officially release Magic Lantern 2.3 with beautiful h.264 1920x1080 video on the 50D. http://www.magiclantern.fm/releasenotes
2. Read the "RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST" http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
3. remember that this is alpha - things will break, when in doubt pull it out - the battery. if you set up an action sequence and the train rolls up on cue as the actor in the jeep pulls up, and he jumps off the jeep runs up to a boxcar and jumps onto the rolling train - your shot may be lost or ruined with alpha code.
4. there may be quirks where for example the first recording after loading a battery fails with dropped frames but everything thereafter works. 

lets see some more raw videos. please share your results and workflow.
regards,
gregory





if you don't know how to use it, stick with the release

Thanks for Sharing Gregory.. will try as soon as I get my camera. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 05:52:31 AM
Okay I just bought a Sandisk 90mb/s 16gb.

Ran an initial speed test in the 50D- 35-39mb/s :(

However after reformatting, following this guide:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/113967-ssd-alignment.html

It's now getting between 60-70mbs! Quite a remarkable difference just on account of formatting in a particular way.

Still not as good as 100mb/s or whatever from Komputerbay but I was impatient and this was the best I could get today haha.

Roman did you do every single step when formatting your card? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on May 31, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
I'm very excited to try raw recording on my newly acquired 50D. If I crack it, I'll post video and DNGs for sure.

I'm a little confused as to the state of things and what I can expect. How long will I be able to record raw on the 50D for? Assuming a fast card and the maximum allowable resolution / frame rate. What can i expect?

Please forgive the question but its not obvious to me from reading the forum.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 31, 2013, 10:00:02 AM
My guess is that in order to make the crop mode usable, Canon engineers probably had to increase the resolution but for monitoring through the LCD you don't need that much resolution - it was meant just to be a display, plain and simple. But this suggests that there is a lot of upscaling and downscaling going on before the data gets to SDRAM. I don't know that hijacking that process is doable as it may require modifying the firmware

I mean, for standard Live View, it's clear that it's 1/3 downscaling, because that's the easiest way to downscale the sensor data while retaining the bayer pattern structure. Very easy to implement in hardware.

As I understand, 5x and 10x zoom configures the scaling factor to x1, but DIGIC writes only a window of the original sensor area into SDRAM. The question would be if the width and height and position of this window can be adjusted in hardware, which, in theory, would enable to save, let's say, 2K of sensor data to SDRAM (of course with a much bigger crop factor, but that's basically the same "problem" the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera has). I bet that it's possible, because DIGIC4 was obviously designed to adapt to different sensor metrics (50D vs. 5DMKII).

Adjusting the width and height of the sampling window inside the DIGIC4 (instead of just copying a rectangle from a larger area via EDMAC), might also have a positive impact on performance, because only data that's supposed to be visible is being copied to SDRAM, freeing additional bandwidth for Compact Flash DMA.

If such registers exist, they would be changed by the Canon firmware when the User presses the +/- buttons in Live View and could be overridden by the raw recording task.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 31, 2013, 10:15:41 AM
@JulianH: for (digital) panning mode you need to film in crop mode right? What (crop mode) did you use for the "Scheveningen" movie? thnx I will do my first tests this weekend

Any idea from anyone out there if the Mosaic Engineering AAF for the 60D would fit the 50D? Could be a nice solution for the moire and aliasing issues.

As mentioned it won't work since it's not recording 1920*xxxx. Another workaround would be to film in crop mode (it will eliminate more/aliasing), but we need wider angle lenses for that  (a 12mm to get the same 35mm look for example)...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 31, 2013, 10:35:35 AM
Crop factor in 1920x1080 should be around (4770/1920)*1,6 = 3,975. So a 12mm lens would be equal to 48mm.

On the other hand, it would enable to use regular 16mm /Super 16mm film lenses for filming, because the size of the used sensor area would measure around 9,05mm x 5,08mm, which fits into the 16mm size boundaries.

So, in theory, IF the 50D code could be optimized to write 1920x1080 24fps in cropped mode, it would be a perfectly useable digital replacement for a 16mm film camera. Even better, you could switch between full resolution in 16mm mode, or slightly lower resolution for shots which require shallow DOF.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 31, 2013, 10:41:02 AM
Quote
The 50D's hardware itself does not support exFat.

Has nothing to do with hardware. Check if exfat strings exist in the FW. Either support for the FS is in there or not.

Exfat released in 2009... 50D first release in 2008.. latest 50D firmware released in 2012 and should share the same code base as other cameras. So 50/50.

If your skips are wrong either you'll get darkened/green shadows or pink image. Every mode is slightly different just take a silent pic with 0 skips and count the pixels.

For raw photo.. the skips are in the meta data of the cr2 files... open with photoME. You have to get the right state for it to grab the raw buffer... its probably the 5d2 state.

Quote
The question would be if the width and height and position of this window can be adjusted in hardware

You should be able to move  the zoom window around.. making it bigger probably not. Otherwise they would have done a full height -> ram and not bothered. They seem to like big image in ram and then lots of transforms to it to get H264/YUV/etc.


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
@JulianH: for (digital) panning mode you need to film in crop mode right? What (crop mode) did you use for the "Scheveningen" movie? thnx I will do my first tests this weekend
You don't have to use crop mode for panning. I shot at 1592x530 so you can pan up and down quite a lot. You could also shoot 1280x720 and pan in all directions.

In my last movie, only the last zoomed shot of the kissing couple is in crop mode (5x). I shot a lot more in crop mode but everything turned out greenish as showed earlier, so I left most of it out of the video.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 11:15:50 AM
If you have green color cast, the skip values in raw.c are not correct. Set black level manually to 1024 when developing the raws.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 12:14:26 PM
I dont think its possible to set the black level in acr. Ill give raw therapy a try or should i use something else?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 31, 2013, 12:22:56 PM
You don't have to use crop mode for panning. I shot at 1592x530 so you can pan up and down quite a lot. You could also shoot 1280x720 and pan in all directions.

In my last movie, only the last zoomed shot of the kissing couple is in crop mode (5x). I shot a lot more in crop mode but everything turned out greenish as showed earlier, so I left most of it out of the video.

I understand :) When not in crop mode: you can pan up and down because of the 4/3 sensor size. Pan left / right is not possible of course... Thnx
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on May 31, 2013, 12:26:12 PM
Hey regarding card speed etc on 50D, I've been having some inconsistent results since formatting the card initially.

With the 600D there were some settings I put the camera to, to eke out a bit more performance... I got it running bang on the 20-12mb/s limit.

However no matter what I've done so far with the 50D, I havent been able to get back to the combination of things which gave me  60-70mb/s.

I've tried: Setting camera to raw, sraw2, small jpg, large jpg (doesnt seem much difference to speed test)

global view on/off - meh.

But then, camera set to 30fps as per default - gave me 30-40mb/s

So I tried exposure override to 2fps, and got 50-60mb/s

Then back to 24fps, and getting somewhere in the middle.

Why would this be? And what settings do other people have, to acheive the 100mb/s read/write speeds if I'm getting non card related variance at such a lower speed? It seems reformatting either in camera, in windows, or aligning the partition dont make much difference now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 12:43:34 PM
JulianH and 1%, yes we discussed changing the settings in raw.c
we know that 2 out of 6 camera specific parameters in raw.c are incorrect for 50D.
asking community for input is yielding slow results.

need to know for both regular and zoomed in exactly how many pixels top,right,bottom,left of black are present if any.
Julian says 2 on the left and i asked to clarify if that is zoom only and prefer confirmation from another user before editing code.
yes, this is what we need to adjust.
can someone please load in a processed raw of each type {zoomed and not-zoomed} and measure how many pixels off we are.

Julian sees 2 black pixels on left is that for zoomed or not or both?
the zoomed in image is the one with the potential black point shift - see any more black edges?

same for the QR_mode image sizes - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43295#msg43295

i did scan the ufraw-0.19.2 source code to confirm the CAM_COLORMATRIX1 (1 out of 6)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 12:47:50 PM
Set the skip offsets to 0, set 1024 for black level, then check the black border sizes in Paint (count the pixels). That's it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 2FAST on May 31, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
Hi everyone! I got 50D yesterday and made some test shot.


I wanted upload to Vimeo but I could not.
I'm using sandisk Extreme 60MB/s.

I don't have windows so I'm using Macboot but it doesn't work well.
Camera says "script dir missing" always.
So I'm keeping ML program in my CF card.
Then it woks well.
But if I could use Macboot correctly, then it's very helpful.
I checked some tutorial movie and I did same but still ML program don't stay in camera.
Any Mac user have same problem with 50D or only me?

I don't have a time in this weekend. But I will have some free time in next week and would go to some test shot.
And gonna film more cool footage.

Please let me know if you guys have some question. I want to support each other on this board though my English is not so good. But I do my best.

Thanks a lot!

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 03:25:12 PM
Set the skip offsets to 0, set 1024 for black level, then check the black border sizes in Paint (count the pixels). That's it.
understood and the comments on pull request as well.
thanks you.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 31, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
How many real modes do you guys have avail? I have a feeling 24p and possibly others are in there without FPS override... again another thing to check in the dump. You'd have to switch them manually.



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 04:34:22 PM
How many real modes do you guys have avail? I have a feeling 24p and possibly others are in there without FPS override... again another thing to check in the dump. You'd have to switch them manually.

Thank you for contribution 1% 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 04:36:26 PM
My 50D is in town should be delivered today, or I'll go pick it up myself  ;D  Should be helping out soon. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
1%
are you suggesting:
compile with  CONFIG_DEBUGMSG=1
Dump ROM from Debug
examine ROM0.bin for "real modes" ?

can you please provide examples of what to look for.
otherwise, i'd think of diffing platform/5D2.212/stubs.S and platform/50D.109/stubs.S to see whats missing on 50D that is present on 5D2.


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on May 31, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
Since there is no real conclusion yet: I will try exFat tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 31, 2013, 06:03:44 PM
@ julian

my 550d now get up to 2496*1065 in crop mode...
i take the new raw.rec.mo from the 5d3 and replace it works without any problems..
you guys should try the same!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 31, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
Quote
examine ROM0.bin for "real modes" ?

Yup, and look for exfat + get 640K memory.

Look for this: H264E InitializeH264Encode in strings.

If you get a dump, send it this way too and I can poke around.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on May 31, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
@ julian

my 550d now get up to 2496*1065 in crop mode...
i take the new raw.rec.mo from the 5d3 and replace it works without any problems..
you guys should try the same!

How many frames can you record at 2496*1065 before it stops?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 31, 2013, 06:31:13 PM
i can record still to 4gb but only 4fps:-) ots perfect for timelapsing...but still remember the 550d has this ugly 21.3mb/s limit and the 50d didnt.
i think thw 50d can do 12 fps at this res...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 31, 2013, 06:50:11 PM
In 5X Crop mode the 50D's resolution is "only" ~ 1920 X 1080. To record continuously with this resolution at 24 frames per second the 50D would need 83 Megabyte/s write speed. We already saw benchmarks in play back mode which have proven that the 50D has that write speed.

But in LiveView the write speed drops. Until somebody finds a way to avoid that, full HD isn't possible for more than a few seconds.

And it would be crop, of course.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 31, 2013, 07:07:17 PM
@CFP

this hack now exists since 2 weeks...wait what the future brings. 3 days ago the 550d was max 1730 now its near 2600...

if the guys get a hand on implement 12 or 10 bit raw or efen an compession like red does.the train will rolling fast.

still trinking tee and testing the newest versions and report bugs:-)

thats what i do...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on May 31, 2013, 07:12:12 PM
Kill the edmacs when recording.. see if speed goes up.

Saw a 50D for 450... still too much for me to drop on a whim.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 31, 2013, 07:43:43 PM
@CFP

replace only the raw_rec.mo from newest 5dm3

Here is the new updated build for the 5D3
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7QlH_BH2m32d3Y4em1lZEYwOE0&usp=sharing

and report

on my 550D it brings me the 2496 in 5*zoom
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Kill the edmacs when recording.. see if speed goes up.

Saw a 50D for 450... still too much for me to drop on a whim.

Great news Just got my 50D in the mail ;D I have a 30mb/s card right now which is slow but still gonna give it a run.  KomputerBay 64GB card coming tomorrow I'll be prepping for when it comes.  @ the moment I'm charging battery to update to firmware v1.0.9 currently it's v1.0.7 .   Got one question are there any settings in camera that I should enable, or disable before shooting Raw?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 07:51:22 PM
Kill the edmacs when recording.. see if speed goes up.

Saw a 50D for 450... still too much for me to drop on a whim.

Everybody Let's put money together and help 1% get a 50D.. The more we help each other the better the hacks for the 50D and other canons will be... Who is in?   

$10 each person, & if you want to put more that's even better (X) 50 people that's $500

1% let us know if you approve? 

I'm ready to put my contribution in.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on May 31, 2013, 07:59:26 PM
Everybody Let's put money together and help 1% get a 50D.. The more we help each other the better the hacks for the 50D and other canons will be... Who is in?   

$10 each person, & if you want to put more that's even better (X) 50 people that's $500

1% let us know if you approve? 

I'm ready to put my contribution in.

I totally agree.....1% please give us your paypal account......and please everybody give some money to 1%......he is doing an incredible work for all of us....
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: muddmanrich on May 31, 2013, 08:03:57 PM
Count me in for $20. It's the least i can do.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Everybody Let's put money together and help 1% get a 50D.. The more we help each other the better the hacks for the 50D and other canons will be... Who is in?   

$10 each person, & if you want to put more that's even better (X) 50 people that's $500

1% let us know if you approve? 

I'm ready to put my contribution in.

Count me in.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 08:22:59 PM
@CFP

replace only the raw_rec.mo from newest 5dm3

Here is the new updated build for the 5D3
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7QlH_BH2m32d3Y4em1lZEYwOE0&usp=sharing

and report

on my 550D it brings me the 2496 in 5*zoom
Will give it a try!

Also will upload dngs with black bars as soon as I get home.

@GoldenChild: put the camera on jpg to maximize buffer. Turn on exposure simulation in live view menu. Good luck, enjoy and share your footage.

Considering collecting money for devs to buy bodies: Andy and me are looking into that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pbr on May 31, 2013, 08:23:43 PM
I'm in for $20.

(eagerly awaiting my 50d!)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 31, 2013, 08:25:51 PM
replace only the raw_rec.mo from newest 5dm3
My EOS 600D simply freezes if I do that ;)

But it doesn't matter to me.

On the 600D we had 2496 X 1065 in 5X/10X crop mode since the very first build. That's nothing new.

But every camera has a max. resolution in 1X mode and a max resolution in 5X/10X mode.
And for the 50D that's simply 1592 X 1062 and 1920 X 1080. For the 550D/600D/60D it's 1732 X 1154 and 2496 X 1065. And the 5D Mark III has even higher resolutions in both modes.

And since 1% said that there likely won't be a way to increase it, I would simply stop dreaming and be happy with what we already have :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on May 31, 2013, 08:38:17 PM
Everybody Let's put money together and help 1% get a 50D.. The more we help each other the better the hacks for the 50D and other canons will be... Who is in?   

$10 each person, & if you want to put more that's even better (X) 50 people that's $500

1% let us know if you approve? 

I'm ready to put my contribution in.


Im in   :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
What I'm most interested in at this point is getting spanning to work. I'm more than satisfied with the images produced thus far. Just want to be able to roll a long clip.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on May 31, 2013, 08:42:27 PM
Guys,

Thankyou for your enthusiasm.

We are seeking clarification from admins regarding donations specifically for development. However, there is nothing to stop you privately donating to an individual in recognition of their help and advice given on this or any other forum. What they use your donation for is entirely up to them but please do so privately ;)

Hopefully the admin team will make an announcement soon covering donation issues and other matters.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on May 31, 2013, 08:56:27 PM
My latest test, guys.
This shows off the latest 50D build with the raw, untouched images and fully graded images. Also a small comparison between Canon h.264 video and RAW image frames.

BTW, I'm in to donate as well!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 31, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
And since 1% said that there likely won't be a way to increase it, I would simply stop dreaming and be happy with what we already have :D

Only unhappy guys have the ambition to push boundaries.  8)

When my KomputerBay card arrives hopefully tomorrow, I'm all set for testing and hacking.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hammermina on May 31, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
@ kahl

wonderful colors looks like the seventies are back..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 31, 2013, 09:17:58 PM
My latest test, guys.
This shows off the latest 50D build with the raw, untouched images and fully graded images. Also a small comparison between Canon h.264 video and RAW image frames.


BTW, I'm in to donate as well!

I really like that grainy 16mm look. And detail is quite good, leaps and bounds above the H264 video image. I think that from a price<>image quality point, the 50D is by far the best alternative, and a serious threat to the upcoming BMPCC.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 09:22:55 PM
I totally agree.....1% please give us your paypal account......and please everybody give some money to 1%......he is doing an incredible work for all of us....

Great to know your for it..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
Count me in for $20. It's the least i can do.

Great to know your for it.. that's good enough.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
Count me in.

Nice the more people in the better
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
Will give it a try!

Also will upload dngs with black bars as soon as I get home.

@GoldenChild: put the camera on jpg to maximize buffer. Turn on exposure simulation in live view menu. Good luck, enjoy and share your footage.

Considering collecting money for devs to buy bodies: Andy and me are looking into that.

Great!!! Thanks for the info JulianH.  Yeah collecting for 1% would be great. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
I'm in for $20.

(eagerly awaiting my 50d!)

Great to know your for it.. $20 would be perfect.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 31, 2013, 09:27:01 PM

Im in   :D
Great glad that you in.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
I think that from a price<>image quality point, the 50D is by far the best alternative, and a serious threat to the upcoming BMPCC.
I have the BlackMagic Pocket on preorder, since the day it was announced. Seriously thinking about cancelling it so yes, that might be the case ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 09:55:41 PM
any word on exFat on 50D?
i've used osx diskutil to format, but
sh contrib/make-bootable/make-bootable.sh - doesn't work for me.

please let me know if anyone has run exFat on50D.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: tonkabike on May 31, 2013, 10:20:00 PM
Count me in for 20.00 for 1%
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 10:30:46 PM
any word on exFat on 50D?
i've used osx diskutil to format, but
sh contrib/make-bootable/make-bootable.sh - doesn't work for me.

please let me know if anyone has run exFat on50D.
Emptying my card and going to try it right now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rue on May 31, 2013, 10:32:08 PM
No success w/ exFat: Tried exFAT on a 8GB SanDisk using Win7 Disk Manager for low level reformat and EOScard to set the boot flag -> Camera complains that the card is either unformatted or not formatted with the camera...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 31, 2013, 10:36:31 PM
Has nothing to do with hardware. Check if exfat strings exist in the FW. Either support for the FS is in there or not.

Exfat released in 2009... 50D first release in 2008.. latest 50D firmware released in 2012 and should share the same code base as other cameras. So 50/50.

If your skips are wrong either you'll get darkened/green shadows or pink image. Every mode is slightly different just take a silent pic with 0 skips and count the pixels.

For raw photo.. the skips are in the meta data of the cr2 files... open with photoME. You have to get the right state for it to grab the raw buffer... its probably the 5d2 state.

You should be able to move  the zoom window around.. making it bigger probably not. Otherwise they would have done a full height -> ram and not bothered. They seem to like big image in ram and then lots of transforms to it to get H264/YUV/etc.

I was under the impression that exFat was a hardware issue, apparently not . .  . Haven't read all the posts yet but, has anyone gotten exFat to work on the 50D yet?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 10:38:14 PM
@GregoryOfManhattan: want me to try as well or is the info from rue enough? I'm on Win7 too.

No success w/ exFat: Tried exFAT on a 8GB SanDisk using Win7 Disk Manager for low level reformat and EOScard to set the boot flag -> Camera complains that the card is either unformatted or not formatted with the camera...

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on May 31, 2013, 10:43:21 PM
Also tried it (with a POS 512MB Kingston CF card), no success!  :(
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 31, 2013, 10:52:04 PM
I dont think its possible to set the black level in acr. Ill give raw therapy a try or should i use something else?

You can set the black level in ML menus . . . I think . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on May 31, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
Also tried it (with a POS 512MB Kingston CF card), no success!  :(

Just tried exFat with my card, the camera does not recognize it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on May 31, 2013, 11:00:16 PM
Are you sure you made it bootable with EOScard? Just formating doesn't work!

If exFat really doesn't work in the 50D, that's sad. Then you'll have to wait until the spanning is optimized.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on May 31, 2013, 11:03:11 PM
Because the HDMI output goes through all of the compression etc as a normal recorded video file, and is 8 bit.

Where as recording to the cf card is 14 bit raw images at a fairly hefty bitrate.

I'm about an hour away from owning a 50D with a battery grip and 4 batteries, only challenge now will be finding a place that sells fast CF cards for less than a billion dollars that ships to New Zealand. :(

Let me know if you find decent price on CF card to NZ. I'm in the same boat.... except I will be waiting on 50D for a few days at least!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 11:12:20 PM
Are you sure you made it bootable with EOScard? Just formating doesn't work!

If exFat really doesn't work in the 50D, that's sad. Then you'll have to wait until the spanning is optimized.

What's the terminal based method for making exFAT bootable?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 11:18:44 PM
Are you sure you made it bootable with EOScard? Just formating doesn't work!
Just tried on a 4GB Sandisk Extreme III with EOScard (clicked the ML setting). Doesn't work, same error in camera.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on May 31, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
Just tried on a 4GB Sandisk Extreme III with EOScard (clicked the ML setting). Doesn't work, same error in camera.

Julian, manually merging the spanned raw files as mention a few pages back doesn't work either?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on May 31, 2013, 11:32:06 PM
necronomfive, menoc, JulianH - thanks for trying the 50D exFat formatting card in computer and make-bootable.
seems clear that it does not work.

i spoke with komputerbay today to see if they had additional information on partition alignment on FAT32.
they did not have immediate information on that.
they had an ML team on site yesterday (someone named Nathan and friends).
they seem to think that one user with a 50D was able to get exFat to work - this is why i asked here.
exFat gives another 20MB/s over FAT32

they suggested formatting a 64GB into 2 32GB partitions to see if that helps the speed.

they also tell me to be sure to "clear your buffers" on the camera - i do not know what this means in practice.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on May 31, 2013, 11:48:58 PM
Cool to hear Komputerbay is helping with this. Not surprising though, they must have doubled their profits over the past few weeks ;)

@GregoryOfManhattan: I emailed you the pics of the black bars in the DNG's.

The only cases I get black pixels are:

Full sensor mode
1592x1062 - 2 black pixels left, 4 pixels on top
1592x lower height - 2 black pixels left

No black pixels in crop mode

Didn't try _all_ the variations, but I suspect it only has to do with the boundaries, so for example 1440x720 (full sensor) can't be affected anyway?

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 01, 2013, 12:24:21 AM
Set the skip offsets to 0, set 1024 for black level, then check the black border sizes in Paint (count the pixels). That's it.

important result of tests.
zoom mode color cast is not due to black edges and incorrect values in the raw_update_params() function.
JulianH and I have both produced zoom mode dng, examined them and found no black borders.
(the values in raw_update_parameters are incorrect but not in a way that leaves any black borders on zoom'ed  raw)
also, i did not modify code to lock the black_level to 1024 - let me know if i should have done so.

could something else used in the autodetect_black_level function be inaccurate in zoom mode?

can anyone summarize technically what happens in ML zoom x5 mode for live view recording - there is a lot of code to read through from modules/lv_rec modules/raw_rec and src/raw.c

are other cameras experiencing this issue with recent builds?

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: methodikalgee on June 01, 2013, 02:08:27 AM
I just got a 50D and a Delkin Devices 32GB UDMA 7 card. I've installed ML and replaced the autoexe.bin w/ the one from this thread (2nd post). I've also added the MODULES folder into the ML Directory. When I start the camera up, I get a "scripts dir missing" message. It allows me to load the modules and start shooting RAW but it stops within the first 2-5 seconds. 

Can anyone help troubleshoot the problem?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 01, 2013, 02:29:44 AM
I followed the same steps and had the same experience.  GregoryofManhatten was good enough to offer to send me an updated build through email - and that helped some (write rates more like 35Mb/s versus the 20 or so with those first files) - still I'm trying to figure out why a card that operates at 80-90Mb/s doing raw in my 5Dmiii is so much slower so-far in the 50D. 
Please post any progress and I'll do the same....

Best regards
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 01, 2013, 02:33:11 AM
welcome methodikalgee,
please Read the "RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST" http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

builds are posted to the forum now.

dhallowell19 are you using separate clean cards for each camera? is the 5D3 exFat?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 02:50:29 AM
Quote
still I'm trying to figure out why a card that operates at 80-90Mb/s doing raw in my 5Dmiii

Lower UDMA mode supported. Shame if exfat isn't supported... supposedly the spanning works now on 5D2 and this camera looks to be what 6D is to 5D3.. cut down version. So probably no 720P60 (5DII doesn't have this?)

I had issues with FPS override creating slightly different borders on 6D... you have FPS override on all the time.

I guess would have to take a look. We'll see what happens with the donations. I'd prefer a camera to money honestly. btw dumper in debug.c is set for digic V addresses.. noticed this from 550D thread.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 03:02:38 AM
Lower UDMA mode supported. Shame if exfat isn't supported... supposedly the spanning works now on 5D2 and this camera looks to be what 6D is to 5D3.. cut down version. So probably no 720P60 (5DII doesn't have this?)

I had issues with FPS override creating slightly different borders on 6D... you have FPS override on all the time.

I guess would have to take a look. We'll see what happens with the donations. I'd prefer a camera to money honestly. btw dumper in debug.c is set for digic V addresses.. noticed this from 550D thread.

So then the MKII supports exFAT? I'm interested to know hiw the user Gregory mentioned got exFAT to work.

Does joining the spanned files in Terminal into a single .raw play nicely with raw2dng?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 03:06:12 AM
MKII is supposed to not support exfat, thats what I heard but obv, can't test. Firmware would tell for sure or if its disabled.

Joining the files in terminal is supposed to work.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 03:10:19 AM
MKII is supposed to not support exfat, thats what I heard but obv, can't test. Firmware would tell for sure or if its disabled.

Joining the files in terminal is supposed to work.

Thank you. Cards and body in hand finally. No glass yet. I'm gonna play with some exFAT formatting and spanning this evening.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 01, 2013, 03:53:27 AM
What I'm most interested in at this point is getting spanning to work. I'm more than satisfied with the images produced thus far. Just want to be able to roll a long clip.

I think that's a good idea. It will speak very well for the hack and will put it on a different level . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 01, 2013, 04:10:07 AM
My latest test, guys.
This shows off the latest 50D build with the raw, untouched images and fully graded images. Also a small comparison between Canon h.264 video and RAW image frames.

BTW, I'm in to donate as well!

Nice! Question:  Did you use a profile? Did you add grain in ACR?, or some other means?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 04:15:18 AM
I think that's a good idea. It will speak very well for the hack and will put it on a different level . . .

Precisely. I have a script waiting to be shot and Zeiss glass in route. Even if it requires a stint in terminal to get the spanned clips out, that'll due.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 06:31:09 AM
Thank you. Cards and body in hand finally. No glass yet. I'm gonna play with some exFAT formatting and spanning this evening.

Congrats..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 06:36:51 AM
Precisely. I have a script waiting to be shot and Zeiss glass in route. Even if it requires a stint in terminal to get the spanned clips out, that'll due.

Nice.. Zeiss is the way to go..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 01, 2013, 06:53:11 AM
Hopefully we can get some method of file spanning to work, I hope it's something that can be done otherwise you only get about a minute of stable maximum-res 50D RAW right?

By the way I'm totally down to donate aswell, we have people contributing their time here for something that only benefits us and I have no problem in helping out.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: methodikalgee on June 01, 2013, 09:06:45 AM
Just wanted to share this test video w/ you guys.  Don't judge me on the subject matter, or the non stabilized hand held shots, or the choice of music, or the different white balances in each shot LoL

Anyway, I don't know how good YouTube is w/ compression but it looks pretty close to my original file if you ask me. (Will update w/ a vimeo link as soon as it's available.)

 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 10:04:01 AM
Guy's I have a question does the 50D warm-up when using the hack? my temp reading started at 39 degrees and after about 10 minutes it went up to 55 degree.  I have a 30mb/s card just not enough to shoot Raw only getting 51 frames..  today I'm getting my new card  8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 10:06:14 AM
Just wanted to share this test video w/ you guys.  Don't judge me on the subject matter, or the non stabilized hand held shots, or the choice of music, or the different white balances in each shot LoL

Anyway, I don't know how good YouTube is w/ compression but it looks pretty close to my original file if you ask me. (Will update w/ a vimeo link as soon as it's available.)

 

Nice... Thanks for sharing great job.  At what res did you shoot on?  I see a lot of frame drops, and a couple pink frames.  What card did you use to shoot?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: buildbyflying on June 01, 2013, 10:59:45 AM
I'm testing now. I have some questions:
1. To enable recording, I press live view from the ML menu, then the set button in the back dial? I was able to record video from the live view button itself and I'm a little confused.
2. I'm only given 1080p/3-fps as an option from movie recording mode... the raw shows 0x0; as an aside I'm getting about 70 frames on a 400x Transcend card.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 01, 2013, 11:06:20 AM
I'm in for $10 for 1% too
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 01:26:11 PM
I'm doing a 'shoot raw on your 50D' video tutorial for first time ML users. This should answer most questions. Hope to have it online in a few hours.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 01, 2013, 01:42:47 PM
I'm doing a 'shoot raw on your 50D' video tutorial for first time ML users. This should answer most questions. Hope to have it online in a few hours.

Thanks you Julian  :)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 02:38:02 PM
I'm doing a 'shoot raw on your 50D' video tutorial for first time ML users. This should answer most questions. Hope to have it online in a few hours.

Now that's what I'm talking about a tutorial is really needed including with settings .  Does your camera warm-up a bit when recording Raw?  Mine does warm-up not overly hot but it get's warm. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
I'm in for $10 for 1% too

Great... still waiting on 1% to approve. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 02:44:20 PM
I'm testing now. I have some questions:
1. To enable recording, I press live view from the ML menu, then the set button in the back dial? I was able to record video from the live view button itself and I'm a little confused.
2. I'm only given 1080p/3-fps as an option from movie recording mode... the raw shows 0x0; as an aside I'm getting about 70 frames on a 400x Transcend card.

Any suggestions?

JulianH is making a tutorial video for beginners should be up soon.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 03:12:46 PM
Heh, I approve but does a1ex approve. You guys can make a paypal somewhere and put money in it then just drop ship me a 50D (body only, maybe power adapter + medium range CF (I only have 2x32gb from my XTI)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 03:22:11 PM
Heh, I approve but does a1ex approve. You guys can make a paypal somewhere and put money in it then just drop ship me a 50D (body only, maybe power adapter + medium range CF (I only have 2x32gb from my XTI)
I'm on a 50D hunt, I'm willing to buy one and ship it to you (from the Netherlands, you're in the US I heard? have to find out how that works with tax.. can ship as gift + low value I suppose). Then after that is done it would be nice if people could pay me some money back.

AC adapter is harder to find I think. I'll try to find a 50D this weekend, keep you guys posted.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: primemultimedia on June 01, 2013, 03:26:31 PM
Hi all,

Fantastic work so far, big thanks to all involved. I own a 550D and my GF owns a 50D. I've been doing some testing on both and so far results and stability have been good even using very early builds. I am going to buy a faster CF card to test since she only has 300x CF cards (and I have 95m/s sony card to test on my 550). I work at a camera shop and I have access to cheap prices on Promaster 1000x 150 MB/s cards (I'm in Australia) so I'm lucky there.


I'll hopefully have time this week to get out and shoot some test shots that aren't just of the inside of my house. Any requests for specific shots or tests?

Also +1 for donating to get 1% a 50D.

I was just thinking the same as you Julian (at the same time lol) my thought was is there anyone that lives close to one of the devs that wouldn't mind lending their body for a while? That is, if it's ok with them :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
No tax for me, no tariffs here, esp on personal packages.

Yep, I'm in the US... also good for only 1 person to have my address. Crappy china adapter would work, doesn't need to be original canon. If not I'll charge the battery, dunno how long it lasts shooting raw. Was OK on 600D/6D.. but then you get stuck with a dead battery wanting to test something.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 03:30:41 PM
No tax for me, no tariffs here, esp on personal packages.

Yep, I'm in the US... also good for only 1 person to have my address. Crappy china adapter would work, doesn't need to be original canon. If not I'll charge the battery, dunno how long it lasts shooting raw. Was OK on 600D/6D.. but then you get stuck with a dead battery wanting to test something.
I'm going to pick up a 50D + Battery grip + china battery now! Will send you a PM later. Could probably ship it today.

I'm totally ok on investing some money on it but would like to get some funds back from the other peeps here who would like to invest. So lets see how we work that out - but that will be my problem :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: primemultimedia on June 01, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
50D battery is very close to 6D/5D definitely better than 600D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: primemultimedia on June 01, 2013, 03:51:02 PM
A/C adapter can be had for  like $16 on ebay. Whoever buys one between 1% and Julian PM me your paypal and I'll give you the money for it, plus donation towards body :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 01, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
First post in this great community.

I'm very happy to join the party.  I only regret that I don't have much time these days.  I'll be a weekend only poster/tester, but I'm thrilled to get to share the excitement that Magic Lantern has brought to indie's everywhere.  Cheers!

Julian H, keep us up to date on how/where to support for the camera you are sending to 1%.  20 bucks in the least I can do to see if we can get even more firepower from the 50D.

I'm staring at 2 boxes that just arrived.  1 has a 50d, the other has a Komp 100x card.  Time to read some ML guides, huh?  :)

I'll share my results when they are available.  Let's have some fun!!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 04:23:18 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fmed_gallery_20742_64_169231.jpg&hash=ccc195c6c79639b794f593c266b33df7)

50D (46K clicks)
BG-E2 grip + AA battery tray
1x original battery
1x fake battery
All cables/charger included.
4GB mem card (not so fast but better than nothing)

Just picked this kit up for 350 euro's. My plan is to send this to 1% - Shipping will be 24,30 euro's or 34,30 (if over 2 kg).

I will try to set up a paypal donation page so people who want to donate can pay me back.
Total about $485 - I'll donate the first $50 so about $435 would be welcome... I will send the camera ASAP (before taking donations) and take the financial risk.

Before proceeding I'll go over the details with 1%. If it doesn't work out, no problem, then I have a back-up 50D ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 01, 2013, 04:24:54 PM
Awesome stuff! Yep I'll put in some $$$ when you can confirm paypal etc.

I went out today and took some video @720p 30fps without issue... which is great, my TV only goes to 720p resolution so I've not got a burning desire for anything bigger than that, haha. 30fps is a lot more useful to me, so I was pretty happy it could do that without fuss.

I'm just processing all of the files in Lightroom now, but one thing I've noticed is it seems to be a bit of a mission getting the green/magenta balance on the white balance correct. All said and done though, it looks amazing!

Here's a frame from one of the shots, excuse the colours etc just a quick mash around to get something out the door:

http://iforce.co.nz/i/vduu0y4z.i3f.tif

Raw video or not I'm really happy with my 50D purchase...
Got it from a guy who'd babied it since new with 18k shutter actuations, guard on the screen, genuine canon battery grip, 4 batteries, and three (slow) memory cards for $509NZD (about $400 USD) Which is a crazy good deal for what you get.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 04:27:23 PM
I'm going to pick up a 50D + Battery grip + china battery now! Will send you a PM later. Could probably ship it today.

I'm totally ok on investing some money on it but would like to get some funds back from the other peeps here who would like to invest. So lets see how we work that out - but that will be my problem :)

Julian thank you for taking the initiative to buy 1% a 50D, Everybody all Donations to @JulianH now we getting the ball really rolling.  Let us know how you wanna receive payments.  Got one question does your 50D heat-up when shooting raw?  Did some preliminary test late last night with my slow card 30mb/s after about 10 - 15mins the 50D body gets real warm temperature hovers around 55 degrees from the 39 degrees @ start-up.  Does anybody experience the same thing, or is that normal. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 04:29:49 PM
Julian thank you for taking the initiative to buy 1% a 50D, Everybody all Donations to @JulianH now we getting the ball really rolling.  Let us know how you wanna receive payments.  Got one question does your 50D heat-up when shooting raw?  Did some preliminary test late last night with my slow card 30mb/s after about 10 - 15mins the 50D body gets real warm temperature hovers around 55 degrees from the 39 degrees @ start-up.  Does anybody experience the same thing, or is that normal.
I'll test it but 55C shouldn't be a problem something to be worried about I think. It's normal the camera gets warmer when live view is on because the sensor is powered all the time. Try if you see any difference if you just leave live view on without recording raw - or record h264.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ashtrai on June 01, 2013, 04:30:54 PM

50D (46K clicks)
BG-E2 grip + AA battery tray
1x original battery
1x fake battery
All cables/charger included.
4GB mem card (not so fast but better than nothing)

Just picked this kit up for 350 euro's. My plan is to send this to 1% - Shipping will be 24,30 euro's or 34,30 (if over 2 kg).

I will try to set up a paypal donation page so people who want to donate can pay me back.
Total about $485 - I'll donate the first $50 so about $435 would be welcome... I will send the camera ASAP (before taking donations) and take the financial risk.

Before proceeding I'll go over the details with 1%. If it doesn't work out, no problem, then I have a back-up 50D ;)

Great initiative Julian! I will be contributing to the donations as well.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
Thanks. This is awesome.. will email when I get on the other PC.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 04:53:29 PM
I'll test it but 55C shouldn't be a problem something to be worried about I think. It's normal the camera gets warmer when live view is on because the sensor is powered all the time. Try if you see any difference if you just leave live view on without recording raw - or record h264.

Great idea gonna test today.. let me know your 50D's Temp readings after 15-20 mins of running live view. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 04:56:24 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fmed_gallery_20742_64_169231.jpg&hash=ccc195c6c79639b794f593c266b33df7)

50D (46K clicks)
BG-E2 grip + AA battery tray
1x original battery
1x fake battery
All cables/charger included.
4GB mem card (not so fast but better than nothing)

Just picked this kit up for 350 euro's. My plan is to send this to 1% - Shipping will be 24,30 euro's or 34,30 (if over 2 kg).

I will try to set up a paypal donation page so people who want to donate can pay me back.
Total about $485 - I'll donate the first $50 so about $435 would be welcome... I will send the camera ASAP (before taking donations) and take the financial risk.

Before proceeding I'll go over the details with 1%. If it doesn't work out, no problem, then I have a back-up 50D ;)

Great finding Julian that's a great price.. was that on ebay?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
www.marktplaats.nl - the Dutch eBay :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 05:00:46 PM
Awesome stuff! Yep I'll put in some $$$ when you can confirm paypal etc.

I went out today and took some video @720p 30fps without issue... which is great, my TV only goes to 720p resolution so I've not got a burning desire for anything bigger than that, haha. 30fps is a lot more useful to me, so I was pretty happy it could do that without fuss.

I'm just processing all of the files in Lightroom now, but one thing I've noticed is it seems to be a bit of a mission getting the green/magenta balance on the white balance correct. All said and done though, it looks amazing!

Here's a frame from one of the shots, excuse the colours etc just a quick mash around to get something out the door:

http://iforce.co.nz/i/vduu0y4z.i3f.tif

Raw video or not I'm really happy with my 50D purchase...
Got it from a guy who'd babied it since new with 18k shutter actuations, guard on the screen, genuine canon battery grip, 4 batteries, and three (slow) memory cards for $509NZD (about $400 USD) Which is a crazy good deal for what you get.

Looking good.. Yeah 720p should be good enough & also for quick slowmo's.  Yeah let's all donate to @JulianH he just got the 50D body for 1%
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 05:01:35 PM
I'll let you guys know about the donations when everything is set and talked about. Don't worry about it for now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
www.marktplaats.nl - the Dutch eBay :)

When I'm buying another 50D body I'm gonna have to contact you.  Do they ship to the US?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 05:18:15 PM
When I'm buying another 50D body I'm gonna have to contact you.  Do they ship to the US?
They don't have buyer protection like eBay, it's really a Dutch thing where people just put stuff up, have a mail or phone conversation and pick up the stuff on location. I also bought a lot of stuff by just paying and hoping it would arrive (never had problems) but that is a risk.
Wouldn't advise this route if you are in the US.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: buildbyflying on June 01, 2013, 05:26:34 PM
Count me in as well. I'm amazed at how quickly these things are progressing.
I was able to work around the menu a bit, (and I'm looking forward to a 50D starter video) though I'm still having some difficulties with menu options.
I've got several raw files at about 160mb each and a pair of mov files... though I'm not entirely sure how I got one or the other.
Right now I just can't figure out how you are getting the aspect ratio changes... I'm not getting any options. I get one option out of raw and in the movie mode. Also, frame rates are 30p and 2.something-or-another.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing where this is going.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 05:32:33 PM
@buildbyflying: press the joystick or the func. button on the menu items for FPS and raw video to change the settings!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: methodikalgee on June 01, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
Nice... Thanks for sharing great job.  At what res did you shoot on?  I see a lot of frame drops, and a couple pink frames.  What card did you use to shoot?

Shot on a Delkin 32gb 1000x UDMA 7 CF Card.I'm only getting 40mb/s write, but it says it goes up to 80mb/s. I will try a build by GregoryinManhattan today to see if that write speed goes up.

Shot at 1592x720 and upscaled to 1920x1080
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 05:55:50 PM
They don't have buyer protection like eBay, it's really a Dutch thing where people just put stuff up, have a mail or phone conversation and pick up the stuff on location. I also bought a lot of stuff by just paying and hoping it would arrive (never had problems) but that is a risk.
Wouldn't advise this route if you are in the US.

Ok I see it's simular to Craigslist than.  Was reading one of your earlier post about the BMPCC I also have one on pre-order, it's a different tool than the 50D Longer recording time, Raw & the option to record compress ProRes when needed.  Don't think you should cancel your order that's just my opinion.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 06:11:51 PM
Ok I see it's simular to Craigslist than.  Was reading one of your earlier post about the BMPCC I also have one on pre-order, it's a different tool than the 50D Longer recording time, Raw & the option to record compress ProRes when needed.  Don't think you should cancel your order that's just my opinion.   
Sure it's different, completely agree. Just for my needs (playing around...) the 50D is enough I think. By the time the BMPCC was announced, it was incredibly amazing to get raw video for $1K. That's what made me pull the trigger. With the 50D in my hands I find it hard to justify spending the $1K. Can always buy one later or wait what BM will bring next NAB ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 01, 2013, 06:26:32 PM
I'm on a 50D hunt, I'm willing to buy one and ship it to you (from the Netherlands, you're in the US I heard? have to find out how that works with tax.. can ship as gift + low value I suppose). Then after that is done it would be nice if people could pay me some money back.

AC adapter is harder to find I think. I'll try to find a 50D this weekend, keep you guys posted.

This is the one you want. I've been using it constantly for over a year with no problems:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Adapter-ACK-E2-Power-Supply-for-Canon-EOS-40D-5D-50D-30D-35-350D-DSLR/400379843873?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D8072889161934500457%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D5%26sd%3D120658241461%26 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Adapter-ACK-E2-Power-Supply-for-Canon-EOS-40D-5D-50D-30D-35-350D-DSLR/400379843873?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D8072889161934500457%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D5%26sd%3D120658241461%26)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 01, 2013, 06:31:47 PM
Hey Peeps.  Real quick, is the latest and greatest build on the 2nd post of this thread?  I says its been updated, just wondering.  I'll start there and check back to see if anyone has anything better.  I checked the "latest builds" thread for ML, but it says that it isn't for RAW video updates.  Anywho...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 06:45:17 PM
The newest build is here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43359#msg43359

I've asked Andy600 to include it in the topic start.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 01, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
50D 1k RAW video works.
black point is back where it belongs.

using ufraw-batch or RPP processing after modules/raw_rec/raw2dng
jpegs and links to tiffs and dng below.

RPP default values white balance "as shot" - seems off from the actual colors
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F50.56.67.113%2Fml-01June13%2Frpp-wb-as-shot-color-000035.jpeg&hash=c64c5eb4a00630037de7a1d2470c031a)

need white balance auto to get close to scene colors, also here with the Duo profile
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F50.56.67.113%2Fml-01June13%2Frpp-wb-auto-Duo-000035.jpeg&hash=411726c7d3f0da81cb2998c83ed40d39)

raw DNG used modules/raw_rec/raw2dng
http://50.56.67.113/ml-01June13/raw2dng-000035.dng

Tiffs
http://50.56.67.113/ml-01June13/rpp-wb-auto-Duo-000035.tiff

http://50.56.67.113/ml-01June13/ufraw-wb-auto-000035.tif

there's a minor bug in raw.c for zoom mode only takes certain skip_left values, otherwise the black point goes wild.
for wild black_point, RPP was able to produce OK tiffs.

at the moment, the framing is not available in zoom mode - only shows the right half of actual shot - use your imagination to set up.

spanning is now working for shots over the 4G limit.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 01, 2013, 07:05:28 PM
Post a silent pic DNG (silent photo, not video) to find the offsets.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 07:15:43 PM
@GregoryOfManhattan: did you make a new build for spanning over 4GB? If so, can you upload it?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 01, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
Post a silent pic DNG (silent photo, not video) to find the offsets.
don't i need the lv_rec module for silent pics?
if so, i'll have to do a little more work, as there are several undefined symbols when i try to load lv_rec on 50D.
otherwise, i'm not seeing silent picture mode - let me know if i'm missing something obvious here.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 01, 2013, 07:27:08 PM
Post a silent pic DNG (silent photo, not video) to find the offsets.
btw - you are aware of the bug where skip_left cannot have certain values, such as zero.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 07:31:26 PM
Silent picture mode isn't on the 50D afaik (at least not in the ML menu's).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 07:43:04 PM
Sure it's different, completely agree. Just for my needs (playing around...) the 50D is enough I think. By the time the BMPCC was announced, it was incredibly amazing to get raw video for $1K. That's what made me pull the trigger. With the 50D in my hands I find it hard to justify spending the $1K. Can always buy one later or wait what BM will bring next NAB ;)

Definitely right you can always get it later or new model.. the 50D is doing Raw right now & does it well why wait. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
50D is being sent... I'll find the correct skips unless you beat me to it. Also raw histo, etc. 50D seems to need a bit of work for normal ML stuff too. I think nobody had one to actively develop.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 01, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
The newest build is here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43359#msg43359

I've asked Andy600 to include it in the topic start.

Thanks JulianH!  ML loaded, just getting used to it...I'll get this latest version and go from there.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 01, 2013, 07:58:25 PM
1% what is needed for silent pics on 50D?

some skip values should be zero, but that throws other errors with black points gone wild.
at the moment, putting in inaccurate skip values leads to better results.

do other camera have proper framing in zoom mode?
at the moment, 50D live view is only showing right half of actual frame.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 08:02:36 PM
For silent pics? All the stubs and LV edmac.

How does raw_rec work without silent pics?

Skips can be 0 for some stuff, you have to have skips on either top or left.

600D:

     #ifdef CONFIG_600D
        //  raw_info.height = mv1080crop ? 1042 : zoom ? 1100 : mv720 ? 714 : 1176;
        skip_top        =  26;
        skip_left       = zoom ?   0 : 152;
        skip_right      = zoom ?   0 : 2;
        #endif       

Skip is 0 in zoom mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 08:55:48 PM
50D is being sent... I'll find the correct skips unless you beat me to it. Also raw histo, etc. 50D seems to need a bit of work for normal ML stuff too. I think nobody had one to actively develop.

Nice.. 1% make the 50D shine we got your support whatever you need. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 08:58:21 PM
1% what is needed for silent pics on 50D?

some skip values should be zero, but that throws other errors with black points gone wild.
at the moment, putting in inaccurate skip values leads to better results.

do other camera have proper framing in zoom mode?
at the moment, 50D live view is only showing right half of actual frame.

I see you working none stop Gregory, thanks for all your help developing.  I started testing your build but don't have my fast card yet only getting a few seconds of record time. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 09:35:48 PM
Hey guy's how come whenever I shoot Raw my shots are all @ 30fps I put in on FPS Override but still comes out as 30fps, I'm definitely doing something wrong.  Any help would be appreciated.  Also is it possible to over over expose Raw to the point of no recovery?  I have one interior shot looking out a window looks totally blown out, and when I try to recover detail can't get nothing back. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 09:36:39 PM
Yep, will be fun... btw pink frames on 600D were found to be from CPU usage form global draw. Check cpu usage... dunno if 50D has show cpu in debug menu.

And yes, you can over/under the raw to where nothing will help.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 09:42:34 PM
Yep, will be fun... btw pink frames on 600D were found to be from CPU usage form global draw. Check cpu usage... dunno if 50D has show cpu in debug menu.

And yes, you can over/under the raw to where nothing will help.

Got ya will be more careful with my highlights.  Gonna check if 50D has Global draw in menu & I'll check back with you. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 09:47:51 PM
Yep, will be fun... btw pink frames on 600D were found to be from CPU usage form global draw. Check cpu usage... dunno if 50D has show cpu in debug menu.

And yes, you can over/under the raw to where nothing will help.

How do you check your Shutter Count in ML, wanna know if it has a low Shutter count like described in the listing. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 01, 2013, 09:52:15 PM
I hope it has global draw... cpu usage and shutter count should be in the debug menu. If they're not will have to find out why.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 10:03:32 PM
I hope it has global draw... cpu usage and shutter count should be in the debug menu. If they're not will have to find out why.
Yes, yes and yes. It's all there.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 10:07:19 PM
I hope it has global draw... cpu usage and shutter count should be in the debug menu. If they're not will have to find out why.

Found it yes it has CPU Usage and I saw the Shutter Count 18K.  I couldn't find global draw.. What does that mean "Scripts Dir Missing" it shows up every time I boot ML. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 10:10:46 PM
I hate to post a noob-y question but I haven't found a definite answer.

1. When I record to my Komputerbay cards, the camera stops after 4gbs is reached. How does one enable spanning, even on FAT32?

2. I too get the "This ain't a raw LV rec File" error when using the raw2dng app. Whats the work around on OSX?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 10:13:51 PM
Found it yes it has CPU Usage and I saw the Shutter Count 18K.  I couldn't find global draw.. What does that mean "Scripts Dir Missing" it shows up every time I boot ML.
Just make a new (empty) folder in the ML folder called 'scripts' and that will be fixed :)
Global draw is on the 2nd menu on the left, top option. Probably best to keep it turned off while recording raw for now.

@artiswar: do you use the latest build? (check first post). What if you try lower resolutions, does it span? It might just run out of buffer at 4GB or something...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 10:27:18 PM
Just make a new (empty) folder in the ML folder called 'scripts' and that will be fixed :)
Global draw is on the 2nd menu on the left, top option. Probably best to keep it turned off while recording raw for now.

@artiswar: do you use the latest build? (check first post). What if you try lower resolutions, does it span? It might just run out of buffer at 4GB or something...

Latest build installed. I do receive the "Scripts dir missing" error at boot. When it reaches just under 4gb it stops, even at lower resolutions. Perhaps a good format would help.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
Just make a new (empty) folder in the ML folder called 'scripts' and that will be fixed :)
Global draw is on the 2nd menu on the left, top option. Probably best to keep it turned off while recording raw for now.

@artiswar: do you use the latest build? (check first post). What if you try lower resolutions, does it span? It might just run out of buffer at 4GB or something...

So Julian your saying not to use Gregory's lastest build yet.  Did you revert back to the build from the 1st page? it's more stable right, gonna try in a couple minutes letting my battery charge.  Tell you the truth I think I might need to invest on a battery grip, and whole bunch of batteries... think mines gave me around 30 - 35 minutes continuously staying on.  It's not bad but on a real shoot gonna need about 3 extras.  Thanks for the tip about Global draw.  One last question even when I put the 24fps override it still spits out 30fps not sure what I'm doing wrong here.  Every time I load it in After Affects it shows as 30fps 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 10:37:53 PM
Yeah my global draw setting what On.  That's why all those overlays were displaying on my screen that's probably why I coudn't record for longer time. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 01, 2013, 10:46:36 PM
When you load the footage into after effects, click right on" interpret footage" and then "Main ...". In the window set the assumed framerate to 24 or 23,976 depending on which framerate you actually shot in camera
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 10:48:14 PM
So Julian your saying not to use Gregory's lastest build yet.  Did you revert back to the build from the 1st page? it's more stable right, gonna try in a couple minutes letting my battery charge.  Tell you the truth I think I might need to invest on a battery grip, and whole bunch of batteries... think mines gave me around 30 - 35 minutes continuously staying on.  It's not bad but on a real shoot gonna need about 3 extras.  Thanks for the tip about Global draw.  One last question even when I put the 24fps override it still spits out 30fps not sure what I'm doing wrong here.  Every time I load it in After Affects it shows as 30fps
Gregory's build is added to the first post by Andy600. It's the best built I've used and it's stable for me as long as I don't do anything weird/experimental (playing back a file shot in 5x zoom mode makes the camera crash). Just recording raw works like a charm.

I don't know what you are doing wrong with your FPS override, but you are doing something wrong, it works fine here. Press the func. button when the menu item is selected for more options and set it to exact fps.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Okay, successfully recorded at 5gb file on my third go. First time around I got to around 1110 frames when the buffer filled. Now recording stopped at 5gbs with a frame skip. I'm assuming this is because I'm using the highest resolution. The buffer just seems rather inconsistent to me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 11:10:05 PM
Gregory's build is added to the first post by Andy600. It's the best built I've used and it's stable for me as long as I don't do anything weird/experimental (playing back a file shot in 5x zoom mode makes the camera crash). Just recording raw works like a charm.

I don't know what you are doing wrong with your FPS override, but you are doing something wrong, it works fine here. Press the func. button when the menu item is selected for more options and set it to exact fps.

Just got my KomputerBay 64GB card  ;D now it's time to put this baby to the test.  Gonna download from front page.  Any special formatting for the CF card, or just plain in camera formatting?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 11:11:23 PM
Okay, successfully recorded at 5gb file on my third go. First time around I got to around 1110 frames when the buffer filled. Now recording stopped at 5gbs with a frame skip. I'm assuming this is because I'm using the highest resolution. The buffer just seems rather inconsistent to me.

Nice..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 11:27:22 PM
Okay, successfully recorded at 5gb file on my third go. First time around I got to around 1110 frames when the buffer filled. Now recording stopped at 5gbs with a frame skip. I'm assuming this is because I'm using the highest resolution. The buffer just seems rather inconsistent to me.
What card and what exact resolution? The first clip recorded in raw, when you just turn on the camera and load the raw module, for me it usually fills the buffer faster. Just try a few consecutive runs and you'll get more stable results.

Just got my KomputerBay 64GB card  ;D now it's time to put this baby to the test.  Gonna download from front page.  Any special formatting for the CF card, or just plain in camera formatting?
Start with plain format, works for me. The card should be plenty fast for the 50D. Good luck!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 01, 2013, 11:38:03 PM
So Julian your saying not to use Gregory's lastest build yet.  Did you revert back to the build from the 1st page? it's more stable right, gonna try in a couple minutes letting my battery charge.  Tell you the truth I think I might need to invest on a battery grip, and whole bunch of batteries... think mines gave me around 30 - 35 minutes continuously staying on.  It's not bad but on a real shoot gonna need about 3 extras.  Thanks for the tip about Global draw.  One last question even when I put the 24fps override it still spits out 30fps not sure what I'm doing wrong here.  Every time I load it in After Affects it shows as 30fps

After Effects is showing 30fps because that's what the default After Effects preferences are when importing an image sequence.  You need to go into preferences under the "edit" tab to change this setting to your desired default.  On the other hand, you can always right click on the image sequence in the project window after you've imported it, and select "interpret".  A new window will open that allows you to change the fps.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
After Effects is showing 30fps because that's what the default After Effects preferences are when importing an image sequence.  You need to go into preferences under the "edit" tab to change this setting to your desired default.  On the other hand, you can always right click on the image sequence in the project window after you've imported it, and select "interpret".  A new window will open that allows you to change the fps.

Hope this helps.

Thank you soo much great explanation of what's really going on.  I'm a noob to After Effects, more of a Premiere Pro avid.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 11:44:05 PM
What card and what exact resolution? The first clip recorded in raw, when you just turn on the camera and load the raw module, for me it usually fills the buffer faster. Just try a few consecutive runs and you'll get more stable results.
Start with plain format, works for me. The card should be plenty fast for the 50D. Good luck!

No problem gonna do a plain in camera format.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 01, 2013, 11:44:57 PM
Can you guys do some speed tests like I did? Curious to see if 1000X cards work faster than my 90MB/s.
Below I quote my previous results. Just ran some tests again, results vary sometimes... added them.

Just shoot at those resolutions a few times till the buffer fills. Make sure you're in 24 fps (it blinks on the screen if it works: 24 fps override), global draw off and hacked mode on (not sure if this makes a big difference but I used it).

Quote
Resolution test with GregoryOfManhattan's build, using Hacked mode.
Sandisk 32GB 90MB/s CF

3:2 @ 1592x1062 ~ 135 frames ~ 200 frames
5:3 @ 1952x956 ~ 270 frames ~ 280 frames
16:9 @ 1592x 896 ~ 480 frames ~ 440 frames
1.85:1 @ 1592x860 ~ 850 frames ~ 950 frames max.
2:1 @ 1592x796 - No skipping!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 11:51:17 PM
Can you guys do some speed tests like I did? Curious to see if 1000X cards work faster than my 90MB/s.
Below I quote my previous results. Just ran some tests again, results vary sometimes... added them.

Just shoot at those resolutions a few times till the buffer fills. Make sure you're in 24 fps (it blinks on the screen if it works: 24 fps override), global draw off and hacked mode on (not sure if this makes a big difference but I used it).

Will test in another 30 minutes battery almost finish charging.  I'll post all results.. res 1592x1062 is crop mode right? so new to all of this. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 01, 2013, 11:58:27 PM
Can you guys do some speed tests like I did? Curious to see if 1000X cards work faster than my 90MB/s.
Below I quote my previous results. Just ran some tests again, results vary sometimes... added them.

Just shoot at those resolutions a few times till the buffer fills. Make sure you're in 24 fps (it blinks on the screen if it works: 24 fps override), global draw off and hacked mode on (not sure if this makes a big difference but I used it).

I'm seeing the same numbers essentially. I skipped 2:1 and went for 2.20:1, though. 5 and 10 gb clips recorded successfully.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 01, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Can you guys do some speed tests like I did? Curious to see if 1000X cards work faster than my 90MB/s.
Below I quote my previous results. Just ran some tests again, results vary sometimes... added them.

Just shoot at those resolutions a few times till the buffer fills. Make sure you're in 24 fps (it blinks on the screen if it works: 24 fps override), global draw off and hacked mode on (not sure if this makes a big difference but I used it).

Where do you find the hacked mode? can't see it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 02, 2013, 12:12:07 AM
Might be a bit off-topic, but has a solution for the pink colorcast been found?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ashtrai on June 02, 2013, 12:22:24 AM
Is the Lexar 1000x overkill for the 50D? I'm thinking about getting the Komputerbay 32GB/64GB card but unsure about the cards not functioning after a while.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 02, 2013, 12:30:50 AM
Fixed the frame skipping on my previous anamorphic video. The image sequences were imported as 25 fps and my project was 24 fps. Simple as that. Re-uploaded the correct file:


Julian, by the way, what is the wider lens that you can use with the Kowa B&H 2x anamorphic before it vignettes?.......
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 02, 2013, 12:31:19 AM
Is the Lexar 1000x overkill for the 50D? I'm thinking about getting the Komputerbay 32GB/64GB card but unsure about the cards not functioning after a while.

This question will be up in the air for a while.

Juilan, any idea why I would be getting that "aint a LV raw file" with something around 3gbs?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 02, 2013, 12:35:52 AM
Footer is missing... check with a hex editor for RAWM at the end.

Probably 1000x cards will be overkill.. look up the max supported UDMA mode and see.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on June 02, 2013, 12:57:03 AM
I am about to buy a CF card tomorrow for my new 50D. Help me choose between Komputerbay 64gb1000x or 128gb600x. Are there any issues with running ML on a 128gb card? Is 600x enough? I think the 50D is UDMA6 compatible, so is there going to be any benefit from 1000x card?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 01:20:21 AM
Okie dokie.  No images worth sharing at this time, but here's an update and some questions.

1.  Battery drain:  I'm burning through a battery in mere minutes.  I'll bet this means something....and probably not good.  (Not that it's a problem for everyone else, or that they should worry....just likely a flag that I did something wrong in the install.

2.  It's showing on the camera as 29.97 fps.  I'm aware that RAW mode is not video mode, two different things.  Just wondering. 

3.  I'm only getting 145 frames.

Also, I'll read through this to see where the frame aspect ratio is, because I haven't found it in my adventures so far.  I'll read through the thread, someone else has likely asked....
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 01:27:22 AM
OK.  So the 29.97 fps is guess might be a statement, not a setting:

"Write speed needed:  71.3 MB/s at 29.985 fps"  That said, I'm not seeing where to configure the fps or the aspect ratio.  No biggie, I'll keep reading, lol.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 01:30:18 AM
Try pressing the 'func' button when you are on the menu item for fps override or raw video ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Brian@202020 on June 02, 2013, 01:34:24 AM
My question is off topic, but I can't find a better place to ask it. With the addition of RAW video on the 50D, the 50D is a tool I might just add to my kit. The only issue is the line skipping causing moire and aliasing artifacts. I know Mosaic Engineering makes some really effective video aliasing filters (VAF) for many of the Canon and Nikon DSLR's. Since the 50D was never intended to do video Mosaic Engineering doesn't make one for the 50D. I see some of their VAF's work on multiple camera's like the same one works on the T2i, T3i, and T4i. I was wondering if anyone knows if one of the other VAF's work on the 50D? For example does the VAF for the 60D also fit the 50D?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 01:44:28 AM
Probably it would fit in the 50D if it does in the 60D. But they are designed for 1080p video. They don't produce nice results in 720P for example, so most probably the 50D's raw resolution(s) will be trouble.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 01:46:29 AM
Try pressing the 'func' button when you are on the menu item for fps override or raw video ;)

Thanks Buddy!  That helped a lot.  Changed resolution, and I got LOTS of frames....lol.  I stopped after a while. 

This one I think means something, lol.  Is there some reason that I can't run any of the benchmarking menu items?  They all "blow up", it locks up the camera.  Is anyone else having this problem?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 01:54:12 AM
Camera R/W Bench mark.  That one crashes for me.  It gets through the Write, Then the Read, then it stops.  I have considered that what it does next is actually a part of the test, but it goes 'blank'.  That doesn't seem correct.  More on this later.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 02:01:41 AM
Benchmarks have been weird for me as well. Don't seem to end correctly.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 02:07:17 AM
I thought that maybe it was because Live View was auto turning off after 1 min.  Sure enough, that was the setting, however, it still locked my camera.  So, the image on the screen in Live View just stopped/froze.  Had to remove battery.  Indeed, I think this one is official from me. 

On this build from "Gregory of Manhattan", May 28th build, the "Benchmark" for "Camera R/W" is locking up after completing 1 of 9 bench marks.

Is anyone else having this problem?  Cheers Peeps!

ps....I have a Komputar 1000x 64GB card.  Camera only has 23K actuations.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 02:08:48 AM
Benchmarks have been weird for me as well. Don't seem to end correctly.

Thanks JulianH.  Confirmed.  Do we just email him to have him a heads-up, or is he reading through this thread on a regular basis?  Anywho....
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 02:17:48 AM
He is reading and I wouldn't be to worried about a benchmark not working. Just check what speeds are reliable when recording. See my results posted a few posts back.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 02:25:10 AM
Can you guys do some speed tests like I did? Curious to see if 1000X cards work faster than my 90MB/s.
Below I quote my previous results. Just ran some tests again, results vary sometimes... added them.

Just shoot at those resolutions a few times till the buffer fills. Make sure you're in 24 fps (it blinks on the screen if it works: 24 fps override), global draw off and hacked mode on (not sure if this makes a big difference but I used it).

Hey julian I'm back with some results still not too familiar with the ML but I tried a couple shots @ different res..

      1592 x 960 @ 30FPS ~ 248 frames (Skip)
      1592 x 960 @ 24FPS ~ 1576 frames (Skip)
      1592 x 720 @ 24FPS ~ 2101 frames (4GB Limit) Note: (First recording stopped midway second try was good to go)
      1592 x 540 @ 24FPS ~ 2800 frames (4GB Limit) everytime   

Gonna do some more test tonight but so far that what I got.  Also a couple times @ 1592 x 720 @ 24FPS it got to two (**_) and showed in red 7 Frame skipped, but when I convert using Raw2Dng it it says 1 frame skipped.  Trying to understand the whole process of recording and converting.. the good & bad.  Hope that help to shed some light on the KomputerBay 64GB 1000X card, but from my experience it seems you need to shoot minimum of two test shots before everything runs smooth.  It might be just my card but that's what I got so far from the card, now time to go learn the post production side of things  8) any ideas on how to convert to ProRes 4444 After Affects done seem to have that option from Raw. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 02, 2013, 03:39:13 AM
On a cleaned Komputerbay 64GB card, I did a fresh install of ML and then the newest 50D raw build (5/28) - just to be sure I wasn't introducing any problems with cards that had been used for raw in my 5DMiii.

Still - I don't get write rates anything like what Julian and others seem to be achieving.  Even 1280x720  writes at about 35-40 Mb/s and I start dropping frames after about 400 or so.  Same result whether or not I turn on Hacked mode, I have selected small jpg for still image size, turned off Global Draw.... still I seem to be missing something.   
I'll keep trying and reading the forum and other resources to learn - but I'll appreciate any tips about other things to test or try.

Thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 02, 2013, 03:41:35 AM
any ideas on how to convert to ProRes 4444 After Affects done seem to have that option from Raw.

Assuming you have prores codecs installed on your computer, then it's just a matter of exporting your comp as a quicktime.  In the quicktime options, there's an option for you to select a format:  prores, animation, etc.  I prefer the Avid DNxHD codec personally.  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 02, 2013, 03:48:25 AM
Is there a way to have the depth of field preview selected automatically while shooting raw video?  Right now I'm pushing the live view button to start recording, then I press and hold the depth of field preview button until I'm done with the shot.  It's a pain, but that's what I have to do to if I don't want to shoot wide open.  Is there a work around, or do I just have to adapt my Nikon lenses and use their manual aperture?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Brian@202020 on June 02, 2013, 03:51:35 AM
Probably it would fit in the 50D if it does in the 60D. But they are designed for 1080p video. They don't produce nice results in 720P for example, so most probably the 50D's raw resolution(s) will be trouble.

This is true, they are designed for 1080p, all except the one for the Nikon D800 anyway. That one is recommended for both 1080p and 720p. It would still be good to know if one will fit and even better if someone could test it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 04:13:27 AM
On a cleaned Komputerbay 64GB card, I did a fresh install of ML and then the newest 50D raw build (5/28) - just to be sure I wasn't introducing any problems with cards that had been used for raw in my 5DMiii.

Still - I don't get write rates anything like what Julian and others seem to be achieving.  Even 1280x720  writes at about 35-40 Mb/s and I start dropping frames after about 400 or so.  Same result whether or not I turn on Hacked mode, I have selected small jpg for still image size, turned off Global Draw.... still I seem to be missing something.   
I'll keep trying and reading the forum and other resources to learn - but I'll appreciate any tips about other things to test or try.

Thanks

Man sorry your having that much problems with your 50D Since we have the same CF cards (KomputerBay 64GB) here is what I did to get it running good enough but not perfect first of all don't use the may 28th build yet it's not final. 

Step 1:  Download my complete folder hack here:  http://limelinx.com/ca42c  (everything is included for hack in folder) 
Step 2:  Format your KomputerBay card in camera ( should be in first setting option on the 50D Menu ) Takes just a couple seconds
Step 3:  Unzip folder from download link and drag all files to your CF card directory (Leave everything else intact just copy and paste. 
Step 4:  Insert card back in camera go to your firmware update which should be the Third option on your 50D (click on Firmware and update let magic lantern do it's thing should say Success in green should know about this process since your hack your camera already. 

Step 5:  Global Draw off, The Hack Mode I still can't find that myself but I heard it should be on, than go through your regular routine Raw rec on, FPS Override set to 24FPS and I think that should be it. 

One last thing shoot two continuous shots before you really shoot cause for some reason the first two are like a warm up enjoy  8)
If your still having trouble let me know I'll here to help. 

GOD Bless
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 04:21:15 AM
On a cleaned Komputerbay 64GB card, I did a fresh install of ML and then the newest 50D raw build (5/28) - just to be sure I wasn't introducing any problems with cards that had been used for raw in my 5DMiii.

Still - I don't get write rates anything like what Julian and others seem to be achieving.  Even 1280x720  writes at about 35-40 Mb/s and I start dropping frames after about 400 or so.  Same result whether or not I turn on Hacked mode, I have selected small jpg for still image size, turned off Global Draw.... still I seem to be missing something.   
I'll keep trying and reading the forum and other resources to learn - but I'll appreciate any tips about other things to test or try.

Thanks

You selected Small JPG myself I'm using Large JPG.  Try to set it on Large JPG which is the first one & put Raw off ( --- )
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 04:22:53 AM
Assuming you have prores codecs installed on your computer, then it's just a matter of exporting your comp as a quicktime.  In the quicktime options, there's an option for you to select a format:  prores, animation, etc.  I prefer the Avid DNxHD codec personally.  :)

It only has Quicktime Uncompress 10bit 422, I'm looking for Quicktime 4444 it's no where to be found. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 04:27:07 AM
Is there a way to have the depth of field preview selected automatically while shooting raw video?  Right now I'm pushing the live view button to start recording, then I press and hold the depth of field preview button until I'm done with the shot.  It's a pain, but that's what I have to do to if I don't want to shoot wide open.  Is there a work around, or do I just have to adapt my Nikon lenses and use their manual aperture?

Thanks.

Manual lenses all the way Nikkor, Nikons are real filmic and sharp @ the same time I have a pair.  Also your using the May 28 build right use this build instead it's more stable http://limelinx.com/ca42c Gregory is ironing out all the glitches, so glad that his taking time to work on it. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 02, 2013, 04:41:08 AM
That's right.  I'm using the May 28th build right now.  What does the new build offer over the old build?  Will the electronic aperture on the ef lenses engage during the live view shooting?

Also, what adapters do you recommend for Nikon glass?  I need something that offers a secure fit (I use a follow focus and can't have any shifting going on).  I also don't want a permanent solution since I still use my Nikons for my family of GH2s.  :)  Finally, will I need an adapter for each nikkor I own (for convenience), or will one adapter be enough?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 02, 2013, 04:49:26 AM
I was reading something the other day, about older manual lenses giving lower contrast than those designed for DSLRs - as the sensor is more reflective than film is, you get reflections going back up and down the lense reflecting off the elements back to the sensor again.

Where as lenses designed for digital cameras have elements designed to reduce this reflection.

In saying this, previously I've been an advocate of using kit lenses for filming - as I've not been able to tell the difference, and usually lose out on image stabilisation etc.

However with raw on 50D, the difference between my Samyang 35mm and the kit lenses is like night and day. Good glass is finally worth while for video, rather than having the image put though a blender before ending up on the memory card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 06:37:48 AM
Seems like someone was asking about highlight recovery.  Make no mistake people, ....this is RAW.  If you are wondering about highlight recovery, wonder no more.  YES...this is out of focus.  I was in a hurry.  The only purpose of posting these two images is to help anyone wondering about highlight recovery.  Enjoy.  Thanks Magic Lantern!!!  :) 


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8397%2F8920175072_3cdb4bbb87_o.jpg&hash=ef826c016ebe7def03f5a317708122d2)


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2842%2F8920174844_e854227ef7_o.jpg&hash=4cfe18682fc995369ef4c382157127ba)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 02, 2013, 06:48:08 AM
Is there a way to have the depth of field preview selected automatically while shooting raw video? 

I believe under one of the ML menus there is a 'sticky DOF preview' button - so you can press the button and it holds it down until you press it again. I havent tried it on the 50D yet, but have just been re-reading the ML user guide.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: primemultimedia on June 02, 2013, 07:13:13 AM
How easy is it to change the record start button? At the moment with d.o.f. sticky on the record button doesn't work, for me at least.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 02, 2013, 07:19:08 AM
I never saw a dof sticky option in the menus...  I'll give it another look once my battery charges.  Hopefully I can find it and that it works.  On another note, the Raw hack really chews up the batteries...  I've got another two and a battery grip on order.  :P
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 07:19:56 AM
One more example of highlight recovery.  Enjoy!


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5445%2F8919875957_d5c6b4d421_o.jpg&hash=19efaf8ff503f8b45d9b21540d874bc1)


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3748%2F8919875721_50d4e5b268_o.jpg&hash=c2e69d46e91dd97a21efc8c44ab0a220)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 02, 2013, 07:43:39 AM
Is that with auto white balance?

I find it comes out really green looking when I use auto white balance in Lightroom... Have to ramp the Magenta slider right over in some cases.

(The above 'after' images look pretty green to my eyes)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: HHL on June 02, 2013, 08:05:25 AM
Is that with auto white balance?

I find it comes out really green looking when I use auto white balance in Lightroom... Have to ramp the Magenta slider right over in some cases.

(The above 'after' images look pretty green to my eyes)

True Roman.  (Lightroom)  ...and I agree.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
Also your using the May 28 build right use this build instead it's more stable http://limelinx.com/ca42c Gregory is ironing out all the glitches, so glad that his taking time to work on it.
This is the 23-05 build you are linking. Why?
I've been using 28-05 by GregoryOfManhattan and it is definitely the best so far. More options, better speeds. I don't have stability issues.

I'd strongly suggest this one. Download here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43359#msg43359

I'm still working on the basic install/settings video guide. Hope to finish it today.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: methodikalgee on June 02, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
I wanted to see how the 14-Bit Raw stacked up against the native Canon h264 video codec on the 50d.

The difference is NIGHT AND DAY.

35mm f1.4L
Resolution: 1280x720 h.264 vs. 1280x720 14Bit Raw
14Bit Raw converted to ProRes 422
Upscaled to 1080p for optimal viewing on YouTube.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 02, 2013, 10:32:40 AM
Cool vid, really shows the difference in both sharpness but especially the colors/dynamics. A bit offtopic: does one know what's the best upscaling to 1080p method?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on June 02, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
I still need help over those cf cards. Komputerbay 128gb 1000x vs. 64gb 600x vs Kingston 32gb 1000x. What should I get?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 02, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
the komputerbay cards have a nice performance / price. I heard the 128gb one is slower then the 64gb. (I own one). Try one 64gb first and then buy another one if you need the space
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
I still need help over those cf cards. Komputerbay 128gb 1000x vs. 64gb 600x vs Kingston 32gb 1000x. What should I get?
It's trial and error. 600x should be enough, as my Sandisk 90MB/s (600x) is getting the max speed of the 50D (right now, maybe the future will bring more?). 64GB 1000x will be safe. 128GB 600x should be enough, but we don't know for sure until someone actually tries... so go ahead ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 02, 2013, 12:22:35 PM
I still need help over those cf cards. Komputerbay 128gb 1000x vs. 64gb 600x vs Kingston 32gb 1000x. What should I get?

There is a thread regarding CF cards for RAW recording here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5391.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5391.0)
Loads of info on many cards there. Not camera specific, but still lots to get stuck into in terms of speeds / reliability.

Been using ML on 7D for awhile. Love it. Currently waiting on 50D.  ;D Going to need some faster cards myself but Amazon won't ship KomputerBay 64GB 1000x Card to New Zealand.  :'(    Currently talking with them to see if I can get that changed.

-Off topic for here...but anyone got any idea about where 7D RAW? All I've found is "7D has dual processors so its development will be different.  Not working right now." UPDATE: Just found this re 7D :
its not that easy.
the slave processor ML runs on, doesnt have access to the raw data stream as it seems :(
   

@ JulianH let us know when Paypal is set up for 50D body donations.

THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR MAKING ALL THIS HAPPEN. Feel like a kid before Christmas waiting for the 50D in the mail.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 02, 2013, 12:49:49 PM
Thanks @goldenchild9to5 - I used the steps that you suggested (reformatting the card, backing to a build before 5/28, etc). 
That changed things for the better -- now 1280x720 starts off great, just one star in the buffer, maybe 2....runs for 10-20 seconds, and then just announces 'stopped automagically'    It's not even close to skipping frames - so I'm sure it's another newbie blind spot on my part.
I'll poke around to learn more about that - but at least the chance for some stable 1280x720 raw shooting is getting closer.
Thanks again for the help - I'll watch for any more tips.

Best
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fmed_gallery_20742_64_1835.jpg&hash=98f227c5a0b16b1ed6041bc6012c1c79)

Since ML isn't taking donations, I have taken the initiative to buy a 50D + Battery grip + batteries + 4GB CF for a good price. I've shipped it to 1% today.

I hope we can split the costs. If you want to contribute send me a PM and I'll give you the details. Thanks in advance :)




Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 02, 2013, 02:47:47 PM
*respect* 8) Let's hope 1% can do the magic :) *PM*ed
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 02, 2013, 03:52:29 PM
Managed to trade my old 5D for the 50D and cash :)

I got raw recording working. Did a benchmark of Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95MB/s in live view, but it doesn't seem to close the benchmark properly. I can't seem to find a log of bmp of the results. Where should it be?

Maximum seems to be around 50MB/s for continuous recording (with my card).

My results (how can I determine exactly at which frame skipping starts?):
Shot at 24 fps (didn't find a setting for 23.975..)

1592x1062 - frame skipping after about 50 frames (67.7MB/s)
1592x840 - frame skipping after about 480 frames (53.5MB/s)
1592x720 - no frame skipping (44.3MB/s)

1320x1062 - frame skipping after about 300 frames (56.1MB/s)
1320x960 - frame skipping after about 1200 frames (50.7MB/s)
1320x840 - no frame skipping (44.3MB/s)

1280x1062 - frame skipping after about 250 frames (54.4 MB/s)
1280x960 - no frame skipping (49.2MB/s)


-Waiting for 50D in the post- looking at card options. Just looking at these speeds against the benchmark of my current cards, Sandisk Extreme 60Mb/s - 8/16/32GB. The 16 and 32 GB write at 44.5 Mb/s.  Lowest speed from Julian is 44.3 MB/s at 1320 x 840.  I'm thinking / hoping to be able to record something like 1280 x 720 on these cards just to get me going. Still crossing fingers Komputer Bay get back to me about shipping to NZ  to make the most of this amazing breakthrough.

Has anyone had any success with 60MB/s cards and lower resolutions? Or should I try and find bigger and faster card (that ships to NZ)  ASAP???
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 04:12:13 PM
Advertised speeds are maximum read speeds. Write speeds are typically lower.

Just benchmarked my cards with CrystalDiskMark in the USB 3 card reader:

Sandisk 32GB 90MB/s CF: 96MB/s read - 66MB/s write
Sandisk 4GB 30MB/s CF: 29MB/s read - 24MB/s write

The write speed is the important one!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 02, 2013, 04:21:12 PM
My sandisk extreme 60MB/s seem to be writing at 44.5 MB/s for both 16GB and 32BG. 8BG was 40.9.  Hope this gets me some RAW footage to play with. Even if its 1280 x 720 I'd be happy!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Fioritura on June 02, 2013, 04:23:47 PM
Hi JulianH,

Advertised speeds are maximum read speeds. Write speeds are typically lower.

Just benchmarked my cards with CrystalDiskMark in the USB 3 card reader: […]

which reader are you using? I tried one from Transcend on my Mac running OSX 10.7.5 but the DOS file system could not be mounted. ExFAT worked on the Mac but not on the 50D.

Regards,

Andrew
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 05:31:13 PM
One more example of highlight recovery.  Enjoy!


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5445%2F8919875957_d5c6b4d421_o.jpg&hash=19efaf8ff503f8b45d9b21540d874bc1)


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3748%2F8919875721_50d4e5b268_o.jpg&hash=c2e69d46e91dd97a21efc8c44ab0a220)

Amazing colors grade on those shots.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 05:38:22 PM
This is the 23-05 build you are linking. Why?
I've been using 28-05 by GregoryOfManhattan and it is definitely the best so far. More options, better speeds. I don't have stability issues.

I'd strongly suggest this one. Download here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43359#msg43359

I'm still working on the basic install/settings video guide. Hope to finish it today.

In one of your post you said not to use the May 28th build guess I was reading wrong than, Gonna try out the new build today.  For some reason I'm getting a lot noise in almost all ISO settings don't know what I'm doing wrong.  Is it a setting that's boosting the noise in camera. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
Hi JulianH,

which reader are you using? I tried one from Transcend on my Mac running OSX 10.7.5 but the DOS file system could not be mounted. ExFAT worked on the Mac but not on the 50D.

Regards,

Andrew
Just a basic HAMA USB 3.0 reader. On Windows, don't know how that works for MAC. Should be no problem, card reader = card reader... it's just usb... as far as I know.

My sandisk extreme 60MB/s seem to be writing at 44.5 MB/s for both 16GB and 32BG. 8BG was 40.9.  Hope this gets me some RAW footage to play with. Even if its 1280 x 720 I'd be happy!
1280x720p should be safe!

@Goldenchild: what mode are you shooting at? M? What lenses? (manual aperture?) what iso's? upload some DNG's! just send them to yourself with www.wetransfer.com and paste the download link here.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 05:46:52 PM
Thanks @goldenchild9to5 - I used the steps that you suggested (reformatting the card, backing to a build before 5/28, etc). 
That changed things for the better -- now 1280x720 starts off great, just one star in the buffer, maybe 2....runs for 10-20 seconds, and then just announces 'stopped automagically'    It's not even close to skipping frames - so I'm sure it's another newbie blind spot on my part.
I'll poke around to learn more about that - but at least the chance for some stable 1280x720 raw shooting is getting closer.
Thanks again for the help - I'll watch for any more tips.

Best

Great to hear.. Gonna try the new build & see what results I get than I'll send you all my steps using the KomputerBay 64GB card.  Also one more thing I think you should try to reinstall Canon's 1.0.9 firmware on your camera to give it a fresh start, than put all settings to default there is a button for that.  Download here: http://limelinx.com/ds6cw
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 05:53:46 PM
Just a basic HAMA USB 3.0 reader. On Windows, don't know how that works for MAC. Should be no problem, card reader = card reader... it's just usb... as far as I know.
1280x720p should be safe!

@Goldenchild: what mode are you shooting at? M? What lenses? (manual aperture?) what iso's? upload some DNG's! just send them to yourself with www.wetransfer.com and paste the download link here.

Thanks for reply julian I'm shooting in "M" mode, using a manual Nikon 50mm f1.8.  Tried ISO's 100 - 800 all seem to have noise.  Gonna send you over some DNG's ASAP. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
Check your histogram, if you underexpose noise shows up earlier. If you start lifting the shadows it will get more obvious of course.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
Hi JulianH,

which reader are you using? I tried one from Transcend on my Mac running OSX 10.7.5 but the DOS file system could not be mounted. ExFAT worked on the Mac but not on the 50D.

Regards,

Andrew

I'd recommend you benchmark in camera . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 06:03:46 PM
I'd recommend you benchmark in camera . . .
Agree. Although the benchmark in the camera doesn't seem to end correctly (for me) and doesn't save the results.

Also, in live view, the benchmark is not showing the max of your card, the card controller can be the limiting factor. So it can be interesting to check with a USB 3 reader what the card is capable of, I think.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 06:18:47 PM
Agree. Although the benchmark in the camera doesn't seem to end correctly (for me) and doesn't save the results.

Also, in live view, the benchmark is not showing the max of your card, the card controller can be the limiting factor. So it can be interesting to check with a USB 3 reader what the card is capable of, I think.

Try the pre-May 28th build to benchmark. You should get a .BMP in the root of your card with the benchmark results.

BTW, major props for the 50D to 1% . . . I'll send some contribution your way . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Fioritura on June 02, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
Just a basic HAMA USB 3.0 reader. On Windows, don't know how that works for MAC. Should be no problem, card reader = card reader... it's just usb... as far as I know.

That's what I thought, but the card usable by the 50D is not readable by the Mac OS: Unrecognized File System. Might a different card reader work? I am able to access the card through a M-Audio Microtrack, at an abyssmal speed…

Regards,

Andrew
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
Lexar Professional 600x (32GB or 64GB) is a good alternative. Rock solid  - been using it for over a year and a half now. Never had problems with it. But if you must know, here are the speed comparisons with my Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card:

Lexar Professional 32GB 600x

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabjPxylC.jpg&hash=d6554f7278815767ef2c317f1b56e9fa)

Komputerbay 64GB 1000x:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacrP0LHK.jpg&hash=5560ea80408bc2863211f804842d9b8a)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 06:49:49 PM
Looks good. That Lexar 600x is definately faster than my Sandisk 90MB/s. Would be interesting to see Komputerbay 600x results.

64GB 600X for 57 Euro seems to be the best deal in Europe. (ebay link (http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Komputerbay-64Go-Professional-Compact-Flash-Carte-CF-600X-90MB-s-Extreme-Speed-/110936115599?pt=FR_YO_Informatique_Stockage_CartesMemoire&hash=item19d44ec98f)).
Cheaper per GB than 128GB 600X at 99 Euro.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 06:59:30 PM
Looks good. That Lexar 600x is definately faster than my Sandisk 90MB/s. Would be interesting to see Komputerbay 600x results.

64GB 600X for 57 Euro seems to be the best deal in Europe. (ebay link (http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Komputerbay-64Go-Professional-Compact-Flash-Carte-CF-600X-90MB-s-Extreme-Speed-/110936115599?pt=FR_YO_Informatique_Stockage_CartesMemoire&hash=item19d44ec98f)).
Cheaper per GB than 128GB 600X at 99 Euro.

That's a great deal. I paid almost $200 for the Lexar when I first bought it . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Everybody please make your donation to @JulianH he took the risk and got a 50D package for 1% now let's take the initiative and repay him back with whatever you can.  Email him he will forward you a link with all details about package. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 02, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
Looks good. That Lexar 600x is definately faster than my Sandisk 90MB/s. Would be interesting to see Komputerbay 600x results.

64GB 600X for 57 Euro seems to be the best deal in Europe. (ebay link (http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Komputerbay-64Go-Professional-Compact-Flash-Carte-CF-600X-90MB-s-Extreme-Speed-/110936115599?pt=FR_YO_Informatique_Stockage_CartesMemoire&hash=item19d44ec98f)).
Cheaper per GB than 128GB 600X at 99 Euro.

CF shootout:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa1ex.magiclantern.fm%2Fbleeding-edge%2Fraw%2Fbench-cf.gif&hash=ea574fb105322e695c0acf17c400f7e5)

SD shootout:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa1ex.magiclantern.fm%2Fbleeding-edge%2Fraw%2Fbench-sd.gif&hash=eabcff6c5cc48fb782be064e5a2593c3)

I've only used the log files created outside LiveView, so the results should be comparable.


Am I read this right? Is that a Komputer Bay 600x card waaaayy down at about 30Mb/s????? No idea what the "no name chip log" bit means.....
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: closetoheaven on June 02, 2013, 07:53:05 PM
Hey there,

I tested the latest nightly build and it´s awesome! Thanks a lot guys!

Issue´s which arised during raw recording:
- The buffer is full after 129 frames (recording at 24fps, 15XX x 720, sandisk extreme 60 mbits/sec). Is that the card´s buffer which is full or the camera´s buffer? I already ordered a komputerbay 1000x. Hope this solves the problem. I´ll let you know.
- Another issue I found was that the exposure changes after hiting the record button (not exclusivley in raw mode). The camera adjusts the exposure by itself when I point the lens on dark or bright areas. Anybody knows how to fix that? Does it have to do with the new exposure lock functions?

cheers
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 02, 2013, 08:12:43 PM
Hey there,

I tested the latest nightly build and it´s awesome! Thanks a lot guys!

Issue´s which arised during raw recording:
- The buffer is full after 129 frames (recording at 24fps, 15XX x 720, sandisk extreme 60 mbits/sec). Is that the card´s buffer which is full or the camera´s buffer? I already ordered a komputerbay 1000x. Hope this solves the problem. I´ll let you know.
- Another issue I found was that the exposure changes after hiting the record button (not exclusivley in raw mode). The camera adjusts the exposure by itself when I point the lens on dark or bright areas. Anybody knows how to fix that? Does it have to do with the new exposure lock functions?

cheers


Hey Closetoheaven.

"You need to turn all overlays off (even native Canon overlays), keep liveview exposure simulation on and set photo mode to jpeg only"  this could help get it going. also  Is it possible to go to 1280 by 720? Maybe do a benchmark test to check your card speed. Test can be found in the debug menu. Will need 43-44 Mb/s I think to run UP TO 1280 x 720. Higher res than that will need faster cards to record with out stopping / dropping frames.

I have a 50D in the mail and the same cards as you. Sandisk extreme 16 /32g.  They write at about 44.5Mb/s on my 7D. My 8GB Sandisk xtreme was only 40.9Mb/s.   What size is your Card?  CAn you try these settings and post back?
Was hoping to delay dropping more $$$ on cards right away and just use what I have.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: kretynjakchuj on June 02, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
Hello!
I have been following this thread since it was created. I was just wondering, why my videos on 50d even on 640x480 are a little bit lagging(maybe frame skipping will be more suitable)? Is it because of the card? I am not sure but I think I have lexar professional 233x.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: closetoheaven on June 02, 2013, 08:28:13 PM

Hey Closetoheaven.

"You need to turn all overlays off (even native Canon overlays), keep liveview exposure simulation on and set photo mode to jpeg only"  this could help get it going. also  Is it possible to go to 1280 by 720? Maybe do a benchmark test to check your card speed. Test can be found in the debug menu. Will need 43-44 Mb/s I think to run UP TO 1280 x 720. Higher res than that will need faster cards to record with out stopping / dropping frames.

I have a 50D in the mail and the same cards as you. Sandisk extreme 16 /32g.  They write at about 44.5Mb/s on my 7D. My 8GB Sandisk xtreme was only 40.9Mb/s.   What size is your Card?  CAn you try these settings and post back?
Was hoping to delay dropping more $$$ on cards right away and just use what I have.

Thanks.

Thanks for your reply!
My card is 16GB. I will test your recommendations tommorow and post my results.

cheers
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ashtrai on June 02, 2013, 09:15:44 PM
Don't forget to contribute to the payment of the camera JulianH purchased for 1%. He's stuck his neck out for us and any contribution is welcomed.

Send him a PM to get more details.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: PhilK on June 02, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
Don't forget to contribute to the payment of the camera JulianH purchased for 1%. He's stuck his neck out for us and any contribution is welcomed.

Send him a PM to get more details.

I've PM'd him.  It's a great thing he's done for the 50D ML community and he shouldn't have to carry the cost on his own!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
By the way guy's I'm getting phenomenal results with the new Build May, 28 from Gregory on the KomputerBay 64GB card.  full recording to 4.28GB @ 1592 x 896 just got one hick-up for the first recording.  I also learned a trick Put resolution to 1600 not 1920 it records smootly no problem no drop frames, the hack automatically places it to 1592 x 896.  loving it.. smooth recording thank you ML @Gregory and all the other developers.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 09:35:00 PM
Hello!
I have been following this thread since it was created. I was just wondering, why my videos on 50d even on 640x480 are a little bit lagging(maybe frame skipping will be more suitable)? Is it because of the card? I am not sure but I think I have lexar professional 233x.
Thanks!

Need faster card..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 09:36:23 PM
By the way guy's I'm getting phenomenal results with the new Build May, 28 from Gregory on the KomputerBay 64GB card.  full recording to 4.28GB @ 1592 x 896 just got one hick-up for the first recording.  I also learned a trick Put resolution to 1600 not 1920 it records smootly no problem no drop frames, the hack automatically places it to 1592 x 896.  loving it.. smooth recording thank you ML @Gregory and all the other developers.
That's great news! 1592X896 @ 24 fps continuous recording? Can you confirm that? Post a picture of the camera doing it :) I really can't squeeze it beyond 450 frames at this resolution. Tried setting it to 1600 instead of 1920 but that doesn't seem to make a difference.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 02, 2013, 09:46:29 PM
That's great news! 1592X896 @ 24 fps continuous recording? Can you confirm that? Post a picture of the camera doing it :) I really can't squeeze it beyond 450 frames at this resolution. Tried setting it to 1600 instead of 1920 but that doesn't seem to make a difference.

Confirmed. (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fxgg59uimv%2Fimage.jpg&hash=81f9abe1aee4fbc4b1cbca9ec0b27606)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 09:49:59 PM
Guy's we need everybody to contribute towards @JulianH purchase of a 50D for developers 1% he was kind enough to take that risk anything that you can give will help, like a posted before a $10 + is great got a long way to recover his expenses.  Let's make it happen guy's send him an email he will send you the info for donation we need everybody, we have the power to make the 50D shine with those contributions.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 02, 2013, 09:50:33 PM
Got to 14gbs before I got bored.  :P

One clip to "warm up the card" and I'm off running. Also on the Komputerbay 64GB
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
That's great news! 1592X896 @ 24 fps continuous recording? Can you confirm that? Post a picture of the camera doing it :) I really can't squeeze it beyond 450 frames at this resolution. Tried setting it to 1600 instead of 1920 but that doesn't seem to make a difference.

Yep 1592X896 @ 24 fps continuous recording with no problem  ;D  Cool gonna take a picture while recording I'll post as soon as possible.  For some reason with Res set to 1600 instead of 1920 to me seems to make a difference, but it automatically set's it to 1592 x 896 anyways. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:02:48 PM
Got to 14gbs before I got bored.  :P

One clip to "warm up the card" and I'm off running. Also on the Komputerbay 64GB

Nice.. but can you convert the files with Raw2Dng program, or windows version?  when I get to 4.28GB mines stops but I can't convert files.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:04:47 PM
Confirmed. (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fxgg59uimv%2Fimage.jpg&hash=81f9abe1aee4fbc4b1cbca9ec0b27606)

It has been confirmed  ;D  great job Artiswar, but how did you get to 15GB guess card needs to warm-up gonna try also.  One more thing what settings do you have in camera? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 10:05:06 PM
Got to 14gbs before I got bored.  :P

One clip to "warm up the card" and I'm off running. Also on the Komputerbay 64GB
Nice! But what build is that? I got 6 buffer stars on Greg's 28 may built. How come you have only 3 with a faster card.. interesting :)

@goldenchild9to5 how many dots do you get for the buffer? Mine shows like <**....>
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:10:52 PM
Nice! But what build is that? I got 6 buffer stars on Greg's 28 may built. How come you have only 3 with a faster card.. interesting :)

@goldenchild9to5 how many dots do you get for the buffer? Mine shows like <**....>

Same as @Artiswar (*..) 3 Stars not 6.  If you want I can zip a copy of my build for you to try, let me know Julian. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 02, 2013, 10:13:11 PM
Nice! But what build is that? I got 6 buffer stars on Greg's 28 may built. How come you have only 3 with a faster card.. interesting :)

@goldenchild9to5 how many dots do you get for the buffer? Mine shows like <**....>

I was curious to that as well.

Camera setting have hacked mode on, 1600 resolution picked, jpg L in Canon menu.

No CF reader around right now but I'm planning on merging the spanned clips in Terminal, adding the footer in a hex editor, and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Nice! But what build is that? I got 6 buffer stars on Greg's 28 may built. How come you have only 3 with a faster card.. interesting :)

@goldenchild9to5 how many dots do you get for the buffer? Mine shows like <**....>

I just noticed something I'm getting none stop recordings with canon's bottom overlays on.  Looking @Artiswar's picture he has no overlays that's probably why I'm not getting to 15GB myself.  And I tried hard pans still no Hick-ups with bottom overlays from Canon  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
Same as @Artiswar (*..) 3 Stars not 6.  If you want I can zip a copy of my build for you to try, let me know Julian.
Please! I'll give it a try.

Going to format and align my card again, see if I can squeeze a bit more speed out of it. I thought the camera was the bottleneck, turns out it's not. Good :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 02, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
I'm using what would seem to be the same setup as goldenchild9to5 (latest build, Komputerbay 64, etc) - who reports smooth results.

 I tried setting resolution to 1600 to see if that helped, but even with Global Draw OFF, Hacked Mode ON, 24fps overrride...  the 1592x896 - writing to the card is at about 41Mb/s and I start dropping after about 200 frames.   I'd love to figure out what's causing performance in my setup to be so much slower.
Will stay with it and learn my way there somehow.  Ongoing thanks for any tips along the way.

Best
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 02, 2013, 10:16:23 PM
Please! I'll give it a try.

Going to format and align my card again, see if I can squeeze a bit more speed out of it. I thought the camera was the bottleneck, turns out it's not. Good :)

Julian, are you formatting in camera? With what are you aligning in OSX?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:20:38 PM
I was curious to that as well.

Camera setting have hacked mode on, 1600 resolution picked, jpg L in Canon menu.

No CF reader around right now but I'm planning on merging the spanned clips in Terminal, adding the footer in a hex editor, and hoping for the best.

Nice.. that 1600 resolution seems to work well for some odd reason, JPG (L) that's the first setting for JPG right.. the 15megapixel one.  Let us know how it works out for you.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 02, 2013, 10:22:51 PM
My situation is not stable with the komputerbay 1000x 64gb tonight. But I didn't set the the picture quality to JPG...
I've found a few more issues that are kind of disturbing (using the 28may build):

1) My raw settings are not persistent. Every time I close liveview / switch off the camera I have to setup the raw settings again (I have the raw module loading automatically)
2) start recording raw is done using the liveview button. After I stopped recording, the only way to switch off liveview is to turn off the camera.
3) It might be a setting? But after doing nothing for about a minute it switches off liveview. Not a big deal, but together with issue 1 it's frustrating :P
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:24:45 PM
Please! I'll give it a try.

Going to format and align my card again, see if I can squeeze a bit more speed out of it. I thought the camera was the bottleneck, turns out it's not. Good :)

Give me a couple minutes gonna send right away for you.  I guess not cause it does not stop & no frame dropped. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 02, 2013, 10:25:38 PM
3 stars means you have something using memory... ie raw + jpeg.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:30:42 PM
I'm using what would seem to be the same setup as goldenchild9to5 (latest build, Komputerbay 64, etc) - who reports smooth results.

 I tried setting resolution to 1600 to see if that helped, but even with Global Draw OFF, Hacked Mode ON, 24fps overrride...  the 1592x896 - writing to the card is at about 41Mb/s and I start dropping after about 200 frames.   I'd love to figure out what's causing performance in my setup to be so much slower.
Will stay with it and learn my way there somehow.  Ongoing thanks for any tips along the way.

Best

Hey dhallowell here is another trick I tried:  If your using a mac, or windows I formatted my card to Exfat first & reformatted my card in camera.  Gonna post a link of my build so you can give it a try yourself, also try to re-install canon's 1.0.9 firmware again and reset everything in camera to the default setting.  I forgot in camera turn off Raw in canon menu & turn on JPG (L) setting on geat tip from @JulianH lastly install my build on your camera. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 10:32:27 PM
You guys getting <...> for buffer, check Shoot Malloc. Should be 212M. It's 188 when raw is on in the camera.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs537512.vk.me%2Fu16007354%2Fdoc%2F1ca5595b3551%2FVRAM1.jpg&hash=33cab4f2d6fde9bf9b0ddf1f054e4d57)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:34:20 PM
Please! I'll give it a try.

Going to format and align my card again, see if I can squeeze a bit more speed out of it. I thought the camera was the bottleneck, turns out it's not. Good :)

Here is the link to build: http://limelinx.com/flwls
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
I'm using what would seem to be the same setup as goldenchild9to5 (latest build, Komputerbay 64, etc) - who reports smooth results.

 I tried setting resolution to 1600 to see if that helped, but even with Global Draw OFF, Hacked Mode ON, 24fps overrride...  the 1592x896 - writing to the card is at about 41Mb/s and I start dropping after about 200 frames.   I'd love to figure out what's causing performance in my setup to be so much slower.
Will stay with it and learn my way there somehow.  Ongoing thanks for any tips along the way.

Best

Here is a link to download the build that I'm using http://limelinx.com/flwls
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 10:44:19 PM
Aligned the card (to 1024KB) and reinstalled everything. That build you're uploading is exactly GregoryOfManhattans build of 28May I suppose? Maybe best to keep it centralized and just link to the post (it's linked in the topic start as well).

I still get the same results. Actually I think the card got worse after aligning it. I've set it to 1024KB, should I use something else? I've no idea to be honest  ::)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 10:49:32 PM
3 stars means you have something using memory... ie raw + jpeg.

I Checked my settings 1% I'm only on the JPG (L) Mode.  Now I'm getting Past 5GB files. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 02, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
I aligned my card (first sector) to 4096 and formatted it fat32 with block size 4096. In the usb 3 cardreader I get read speeds above 125MB/s. I will do a benchmark now to see my speeds

@goldenchild9to5: your card is formatted exFat or what? How do you get past the 4GB limit? :O
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 02, 2013, 10:56:19 PM
Spanning works with Fat32!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:03:37 PM
Aligned the card (to 1024KB) and reinstalled everything. That build you're uploading is exactly GregoryOfManhattans build of 28May I suppose? Maybe best to keep it centralized and just link to the post (it's linked in the topic start as well).

I still get the same results. Actually I think the card got worse after aligning it. I've set it to 1024KB, should I use something else? I've no idea to be honest  ::)

I think you should format in camera that's what I've been doing. 

I'm currently getting past 5GB actually got to 8GB and stopped it cause it kept on going consistent 57mb/s here is a picture. 

@Artiswar confirmed more than 5GB's

Link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/img20130602164422.jpg/

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fphoto%2Fmy-images%2F24%2Fimg20130602164422.jpg%2F&hash=417113abe5db46ca94cc7698adf376f7)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 11:09:07 PM
You guys getting <...> for buffer, check Shoot Malloc. Should be 212M. It's 188 when raw is on in the camera.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs537512.vk.me%2Fu16007354%2Fdoc%2F1ca5595b3551%2FVRAM1.jpg&hash=33cab4f2d6fde9bf9b0ddf1f054e4d57)

Turn OFF:  Auto Lightning Optimizer, Long Exposure Noise Reduction, High ISO Noise Reduction, Highlight Tone Rpiority
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
I aligned my card (first sector) to 4096 and formatted it fat32 with block size 4096. In the usb 3 cardreader I get read speeds above 125MB/s. I will do a benchmark now to see my speeds

@goldenchild9to5: your card is formatted exFat or what? How do you get past the 4GB limit? :O

I first format it Exfat than reformat in camera just trying different tricks sometimes those tricks work.  I don't know I just shot for 20GB none stop.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 11:14:45 PM
To free up malloc set these settings in Canon Menus:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacwXVvAw.jpg&hash=4480d92bb7dd54df4db132172d0f9d86)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
Spanning works with Fat32!

Yes. But Files are corrupt. Unless there's something newly developed . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:18:51 PM
Guy's I just recorded a 20GB file with my 50D I had to stop it it kept on going Zero frame drops hard pans + @ ISO 3200 no problem.  @ times it shows a little hint of going to 2nd stars because I was panning it like crazy after that back to 1 * Idling 57mb/s constant.  Now we only gotta figure out the panning situation.  Lastly need to record 1, or 2 warm-up shots to ramp the card up than you can't stop it. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:20:47 PM
Yes. But Files are corrupt. Unless there's something newly developed . . .

I know now we just gotta wait for new development.  Thanks for those in camera settings gonna try now. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 02, 2013, 11:25:58 PM
I believe under one of the ML menus there is a 'sticky DOF preview' button - so you can press the button and it holds it down until you press it again. I havent tried it on the 50D yet, but have just been re-reading the ML user guide.

I found the DOF sticky option.  It's located in the Misc key settings under Prefs.  It works great, but you can only activate it once recording has begun - if you activate it first, then you will be unable to record using the liveview button.  The problem I have in post is when I import the DNG sequence into After Effects, I only have the option to grade the first representative frame.  Unfortunately, the first frame is almost always incorrectly exposed since there's a delay from the time I hit record to the time the DOF sticky is engaged. 

Is there a way to engage the DOF sticky before the Raw recording?  If this isn't possible, then is there a way to specify a different representative frame in After Effects?  I know this can be done via Adobe Bridge, but I'd like to avoid the extra steps if at all possible.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: nathan.nazeck on June 02, 2013, 11:26:29 PM
In one of your post you said not to use the May 28th build guess I was reading wrong than, Gonna try out the new build today.  For some reason I'm getting a lot noise in almost all ISO settings don't know what I'm doing wrong.  Is it a setting that's boosting the noise in camera.


////
check your fps override settings... mine was set for optimize for exact frames which seemed to bring a lot of noise.  changed to optimize for low light and it's shooting clean at 1600 now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:41:37 PM
Guy's I'm getting (*.....) 6 dots now instead of my previous 3 (*..) thanks to @menoc a lot of memory been freed-up Record Past 5GB with Zero Hick-ups Zero problems Here is a picture: 

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fmail-attachment.googleusercontent.com%2Fattachment%2Fu%2F0%2F%3Fui%3D2%26amp%3Bik%3Dcc3e02cd84%26amp%3Bview%3Datt%26amp%3Bth%3D13f06cdd3367deb3%26amp%3Battid%3D0.1%26amp%3Bdisp%3Dinline%26amp%3Brealattid%3D1436767965501456384-local0%26amp%3Bsafe%3D1%26amp%3Bzw%26amp%3Bsaduie%3DAG9B_P9nrcuG6qOBiLmSlBInlbT7%26amp%3Bsadet%3D1370208910480%26amp%3Bsads%3DQYjdzt_2Wfqu2LFv5C3Ee7UHblI&hash=bb4c4e8bb2508d59cf473f585f0d5cc5)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:44:55 PM
Guy's $180 dollars left to put in for donations Let's get it done for the 50D contact @JulianH for info. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 02, 2013, 11:52:02 PM
Guy's I'm getting (*.....) 6 dots now instead of my previous 3 (*..) thanks to @menoc a lot of memory been freed-up Record Past 5GB with Zero Hick-ups Zero problems Here is a picture: 

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fmail-attachment.googleusercontent.com%2Fattachment%2Fu%2F0%2F%3Fui%3D2%26amp%3Bik%3Dcc3e02cd84%26amp%3Bview%3Datt%26amp%3Bth%3D13f06cdd3367deb3%26amp%3Battid%3D0.1%26amp%3Bdisp%3Dinline%26amp%3Brealattid%3D1436767965501456384-local0%26amp%3Bsafe%3D1%26amp%3Bzw%26amp%3Bsaduie%3DAG9B_P9nrcuG6qOBiLmSlBInlbT7%26amp%3Bsadet%3D1370208910480%26amp%3Bsads%3DQYjdzt_2Wfqu2LFv5C3Ee7UHblI&hash=bb4c4e8bb2508d59cf473f585f0d5cc5)

Actually, the only setting that affects Shooting malloc is High ISO Speed Noise Reduction. Turn it OFF.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabhwtsCO.jpg&hash=4ab364b0f6c5d454032393f06b3b644b)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 02, 2013, 11:54:04 PM
Actually, the only setting that affects Shooting malloc is High ISO Speed Noise Reduction. Turn it OFF.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabhwtsCO.jpg&hash=4ab364b0f6c5d454032393f06b3b644b)

Thanks for update Menoc..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 03, 2013, 12:01:35 AM
Here's what my shooting memory allocation reports after turning off High Speed Noise Reduction . . .

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FadlbZZa3.jpg&hash=e3685d602eab3dbf6a851c98cad9ac8a)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 03, 2013, 12:08:34 AM
I've had inconsistent results with the read/write tests, that dont correlate to recoridng performance.

If I set FPS override to 0.15fps I get 60+mb/s, if 24fps I get 50ish, if 30fps I get 40-50+

So either the test is inaccurate if fps override is on, or there's something slowing it down in camera when it's at the higher frame rates.

Either way, regardless of what the speed tests indicate I seem to be able to record continuously up to about 55mb/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: nathan.nazeck on June 03, 2013, 12:31:15 AM
Here's what my shooting memory allocation reports after turning off High Speed Noise Reduction . . .

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FadlbZZa3.jpg&hash=e3685d602eab3dbf6a851c98cad9ac8a)

////
I'm finding that once you turn off the noise reduction it frees up the memory and you can actually turn it back on without affecting the free memory.  Also noticed no difference in frames captured at 3200iso with noise reduction on or off. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 12:31:37 AM
What the.... Surprise!

I had global draw turned off all the time. Thought that would take a hit on performance.

Just turned it on (Live view) and guess what, recording speed goes up! Getting stable 1592x896 now, recording at 57MB/s. Without GD i get like 52 and drops to 50. great!

Lets try how far we can get in 5x zoom. I'm getting 300 frames at 1720x968.
1600x900 is stable.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: bperrine on June 03, 2013, 12:41:16 AM
Guy's $180 dollars left to put in for donations Let's get it done for the 50D contact @JulianH for info.

Super work guys. I'm shooting  720x1280 24fps at 37MBps and only (*....) with the original build on a 60 MBps Sandisk card I got yesterday. I'll PM Julian to pony up $20 for taking the lead on the development camera and I wish I got anywhere near as much value and fun from my other donations.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 03, 2013, 12:57:54 AM
I had global draw turned off all the time. Thought that would take a hit on performance.

Just turned it on (Live view) and guess what, recording speed goes up! Getting stable 1592x896 now, recording at 57MB/s. Without GD i get like 52 and drops to 50. great!

Great find!!!

(and it makes sense, since the 50D ML kills all Canon drawing code)

Tip: turn it off and call canon_gui_disable_front_buffer() from somewhere.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 12:59:25 AM
LOL weird stuff. For me it's the exact same opposite at 1592x896 with my 64gb komputerbay 1000x... Global draw on liveview and it stops after about 80 frames. Global draw off and it's at 12GB right now without a single skip :)



What the.... Surprise!

I had global draw turned off all the time. Thought that would take a hit on performance.

Just turned it on (Live view) and guess what, recording speed goes up! Getting stable 1592x896 now, recording at 57MB/s. Without GD i get like 52 and drops to 50. great!

Lets try how far we can get in 5x zoom. I'm getting 300 frames at 1720x968.
1600x900 is stable.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 03, 2013, 01:09:49 AM
Quote
Great find!!!


Wooohoo.. new trick to add to hacked mode. Esp.. for 600D/550D/etc.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 01:14:09 AM
Sick stuff: Global draw on liveview (but I have now all draw options disabled) and resolution at 1600: I can almost record 3:2 resolution:
1592x1062  1103 frames  8) (needed write speed 67,6)

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x (aligned at 4096)

edit: 5x zoom gives me a pink liveview....

BUT runs stable so far at 1920x818 (2.35:1) (62MB/s)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: nathan.nazeck on June 03, 2013, 01:16:49 AM
Recorded continuously to 4gb at 1920x818 in 5x crop mode on a Lexar 1000x 16g card.  Stars got up to 4 near the end but it made it to 4gb.  Not very sharp but some L glass might help this.  A lot of jello too...
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prodigyvideo.com%2Fvideos%2F000266.jpg&hash=b674d395bf90192fb4f23659ed48d187)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 03, 2013, 01:19:57 AM
What the.... Surprise!

I had global draw turned off all the time. Thought that would take a hit on performance.

Just turned it on (Live view) and guess what, recording speed goes up! Getting stable 1592x896 now, recording at 57MB/s. Without GD i get like 52 and drops to 50. great!

Lets try how far we can get in 5x zoom. I'm getting 300 frames at 1720x968.
1600x900 is stable.

Wild. Good find. Testing tonight.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on June 03, 2013, 01:25:35 AM
I really feel a shared experience with this thread - I've recently bought a second hand 50D, and still waiting for a KomputerBay 64 GB card to arrive!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 03, 2013, 01:38:43 AM
Sick stuff: Global draw on liveview (but I have now all draw options disabled) and resolution at 1600: I can almost record 3:2 resolution:
1592x1062  1103 frames  8) (needed write speed 67,6)

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x (aligned at 4096)

edit: 5x zoom gives me a pink liveview....

BUT runs stable so far at 1920x818 (2.35:1) (62MB/s)

I bet you could do it if you kill all drawing with Clear Overlays . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 03, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
Guy's we need everybody to contribute towards @JulianH purchase of a 50D for developers 1% he was kind enough to take that risk anything that you can give will help, like a posted before a $10 + is great got a long way to recover his expenses.  Let's make it happen guy's send him an email he will send you the info for donation we need everybody, we have the power to make the 50D shine with those contributions.

I'm in - and have been in touch with Julian.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Chris50d on June 03, 2013, 01:40:56 AM
Hello everyone,

First off thank you very much for all the effort being made to make the canon 50d able to shoot raw video it's been an awesome great experience.
however i'ave some doubt's. im currently using the Greg's 28 may built, with a sandisk extreme 60mb/s udma 8gb card. im getting about 38mb/s stable wich makes me able to shoot in 1280x720 without any problems, i can get away by shooting in a bit higher resolution by comprimessing height. when i warm up the card i can shoot about 41mb/s without any problems.
Globaldraw on my camera with only peak focus enabled makes my write speed about 23mb/s so not good.
i also have download the nightly build however it doesnt come with raw movie module and the only way to get it is by replacing the autoexebin file and placing the modules folder also wich makes not using the nightly build since im replacing the autoexe bin file.... how do i use the latest nightly build and the raw module at the same time?
Ok so, lets say i have recorded some raw movie footage. i want to edit it. i use raw2dng to convert to a dng file wich is at color deph? 14 bit? because i export the dng files. open them in photoshop and the camera raw give me rgb values that are in 8 bit mode range not more than that. however. i open a dng file in after effects, and the rbg values are in the same range as photoshop was giving me. if i change the project settings to a color depth of 16bit the values change and are much higher like a true 14 bit file should be however, i export the movie file in a openexr open that file in nuke and the values are a 8 bit file.
that being said why is my camera shooting in 8 bit color depth mode not in 14 bit... or am i doing something wrong? is the dng file that raw2dng makes a 14 bit file? because my investigation dont indicate me that :/
i was expecting the dng files being a 14 bit image not a 8 bit color mode :C
well sorry for my poor english im from portugal.
thank you all for the effort being made to create this awesome hack :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 03, 2013, 01:53:55 AM
Super work guys. I'm shooting  720x1280 24fps at 37MBps and only (*....) with the original build on a 60 MBps Sandisk card I got yesterday. I'll PM Julian to pony up $20 for taking the lead on the development camera and I wish I got anywhere near as much value and fun from my other donations.

That is exactly the post I wanted to see! Have  60Mb/s cards that write at 44.5Mb/s. Keen to try 720 work flow all way to vimeo.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 03, 2013, 02:09:26 AM
I bet you could do it if you kill all drawing with Clear Overlays . . .

Holy mother of God!! . . . . I'm getting FULL FRAMES stable  3:2 !!   

Did like 12GB with no frames skipping! . .  .WE HAVE TO GET FILE SPANNING WORKING!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 03, 2013, 02:41:47 AM
Disabling the front buffer lets me preview with no loss of speed it appears.

High ISO noise reduction is really interesting, it reconfigures memories... some blocks become blue and your green blocks move around. I guess on 50D it actually frees the memory its not using.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 03, 2013, 03:02:11 AM
Holy mother of God!! . . . . I'm getting FULL FRAMES stable  3:2 !!   

Did like 12GB with no frames skipping! . .  .WE HAVE TO GET FILE SPANNING WORKING!

Can you confirm what resolution and frame rate that is please?  And what speed it is writing at? Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Chris50d on June 03, 2013, 03:33:28 AM
Results im getting with my sandisk extreme 60mb/s UDMA 8 gb card
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg18.imageshack.us%2Fimg18%2F6815%2Ftestoj.png&hash=5aafa9f8b59f4f2a5a3e7101b323bc1a)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 03, 2013, 03:36:27 AM
Hey John here are some bitrates for 50D in each mode, in 24fps/16:9 ratio:

640x480     - 9.2mb/s
720x406     - 11.6mb/s
960x540     - 20.7mb/s
1280x720   - 36.9mb/s
1329x742   - 39.2mb/s
1440x810   - 46.7mb/s
1592x896   - 57.1mb/s   (max res unless using 5x zoom)
1600x900   - 57.6mb/s   (5x zoom only)
1720x960   - 66.0mb/s   (5x zoom only)
1880x1056 - 79.5mb/s   (5x zoom only)
1920x1056 - 81.2mb/s   (5x zoom only)
1992x1056 - 84.2mb/s   (max res for 5x zoom mode)

As I mentioned earlier, despite speed tests showing 40-50mb/s I can happily sit at 1592x896 24fps until 4gb. The fastest rate it's shown while recording is 58mb/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 03, 2013, 04:27:52 AM
Awesome. Thanks for that.   :)    Have been finishing off edits so when the Camera finally gets here I wont have any distractions!  Although hoping to get by on Sandisk extremes in short term, will be getting a bigger and faster card when I can work out best deal that can also be shipped to NZ. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 03, 2013, 04:57:25 AM
Can you confirm what resolution and frame rate that is please?  And what speed it is writing at? Thanks.



With Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card:
Runs non-stop stable @ 1592x1062 (I stopped it at 13GB), at about 64 mb/s
@ 1592x896 it will run forever . . .

Set the following:

ISO:  100-200
FPS override:  23.988

Canon Menus:  Set Qualiy to JPEG Only
Disable all settings in C.Fn II: Image
High ISO speed Noise Reduction:  Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer:  Disable
Highlight Tone Priority:  Disable
Long Exposure Noise Reduction:  OFF

Global Draw:  LiveView (Turn off all other options)
Raw Video Resolution:  1600
Raw Video Ratio:  3:2
Sound:  OFF
Hacked Mode: ON

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 03, 2013, 05:27:32 AM
Fantastic! Thanks for full detailed post!!!   :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on June 03, 2013, 06:12:43 AM
Don't know if it has been discussed yet, but my screen goes pink with the LV image overlaid below when I'm using 5x and 10x zoom. Returns back to normal when I disengage the zoom function. That is using the 28may build by gregoryofmanhattan.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 03, 2013, 06:15:20 AM
Don't know if it has been discussed yet, but my screen goes pink with the LV image overlaid below when I'm using 5x and 10x zoom. Returns back to normal when I disengage the zoom function. That is using the 28may build by gregoryofmanhattan.

Known issue. It's a work in progress . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: primemultimedia on June 03, 2013, 07:11:39 AM
I've noticed a lot of people getting differing results with the komputerbay cards. Might this have something to do with the fact that they were exposed as actually being Lexar cards that failed quality control?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: primemultimedia on June 03, 2013, 07:22:55 AM
Anyone else notice the weird square noise pattern on the dngs? Here is the same frame with max sharpen in AE to highlight it. Second frame has blur + noise before the sharpen. turning off sharpening in ACR doesn't seem to help.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg834%2F2233%2F86229502.jpg&hash=3482ba41023e8923c799dc05c05dca17)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg6%2F2960%2F47080469.jpg&hash=5bd3ef7cbe437a9ad88ac249ab95c9e2)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 08:39:41 AM

With Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card:
Runs non-stop stable @ 1592x1062 (I stopped it at 13GB), at about 64 mb/s
@ 1592x896 it will run forever . . .

Set the following:

ISO:  100-200
FPS override:  23.988

Canon Menus:  Set Qualiy to JPEG Only
Disable all settings in C.Fn II: Image
High ISO speed Noise Reduction:  Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer:  Disable
Highlight Tone Priority:  Disable
Long Exposure Noise Reduction:  OFF

Global Draw:  LiveView (Turn off all other options)
Raw Video Resolution:  1600
Raw Video Ratio:  3:2
Sound:  OFF
Hacked Mode: ON
Great stuff :) My card is actually the limit now. Maxes out around 59MB/s, recording stable between 56-59MB/s.
So 16:9 1592x896 works fine.

I'll have to get a faster card though, I'd love to use 3:2 and 4:3. 1440x1062 + 2x anamorphic lens is going to be great.
The 50D now officially became the most awesome camera for anamorphic shooters on a budget :)

@primemultimedia: what iso are you on? Can you upload some DNG's? At high iso's when you do a lot of noise correction you can get artefacts like that. It is a pretty old sensor after all... the 50D was known for it's banding problems at high iso in photo mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 08:45:58 AM
@primemultimedia
Just a guess: It might have to do something with skipping pixels. As I understand it right only a part of the sensor pixels are used.

Probably something like this:

1001001001
0000000000
0000000000
1001001001
0000000000
0000000000
1001001001
0000000000
0000000000
1001001001

when using crop mode the sensor pixels are used like this:

000000000000
000000000000
000000000000
000000000000
000011110000
000011110000
000011110000
000011110000
000000000000
000000000000
000000000000
000000000000

Where a "1" indicates a pixel is used for recording raw.

You could try to use crop mode and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 03, 2013, 09:29:47 AM
Duplicated the above results. ISO seems to make no difference. The 5th star in the buffer never stayed on consistently. This is getting pretty stable. Now once I get a CF reader back and some glass I get to stop shooting my body cap and film something of substance. Has anyone had luck with joining the spanned files in Terminal?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F3539gcg.jpg&hash=a03f9264a50dff44e65c4ea074d20465)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 03, 2013, 09:37:13 AM
Anyone else notice the weird square noise pattern on the dngs?

Yep same here.

I've only noticable when zooming right in/pixel peeping though... I'll check a few 5x and 10x screen grabs and see if it looks the same.

Might be from the downscaling, as mentioned.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
@Roman: thanks for testing. Looking forward to the results
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 03, 2013, 10:20:43 AM
Just started testing with the May 28th build with the settings menoc listed and a Komputerbay x1000 64gb.  I get fairly steady results at 1592x1062 with an average of 67 MB/s, but for some reason my camera keeps dropping down to 22.331 FPS. My screen changes exposure when it happens and it usually occurs while I'm recording... It seems to be stuck at 22 fps until I reboot the camera.

I also get a "scripts dir missing" message when turning on the camera, not sure if that's related.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 10:41:38 AM
Just started testing with the May 28th build with the settings menoc listed and a Komputerbay x1000 64gb.  I get fairly steady results at 1592x1062 with an average of 67 MB/s, but for some reason my camera keeps dropping down to 22.331 FPS. My screen changes exposure when it happens and it usually occurs while I'm recording... It seems to be stuck at 22 fps until I reboot the camera.

I also get a "scripts dir missing" message when turning on the camera, not sure if that's related.
Did you put FPS override on Exact FPS? (press FUNC when you are on the setting in the menu to get more options)
Just make a emtpy folder 'scripts' in the ML directory on your CF card. That will cancel the message.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ciardi on June 03, 2013, 12:56:20 PM



ML Version of Nightly Build EOS 50D May 28th

smeangol.com/autoexec.bin
smeangol.com/MODULES.zip

One Taker
Shot at 1592x480
24mm of 24-105mm L-Lens
F 4.0
ISO 800

Converted (after DNG-Rewrapping with RAW2DNG v0.9) in AE to QT Animation Codec.
Continious Recording at 90MB/s SanDIsk Extreme Pro UDMA 7 Card
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 01:14:44 PM
@Ciardi: looks good!

The build you are linking is not the May28 build, you should link (and use!) this one:
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/50D-2013May28build.zip

See: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43359#msg43359
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 03, 2013, 01:35:47 PM
50D cinemascope is coming - but i'm dropping my main ML dev machine at apple store this morning (down to a single usb port on mb air - so i can't plug in drives and card reader at same time)

build code status: over past couple of days, there have been many conflicts with 50D code and new features.
best stable running builds have been the 28th, morning of the 30th (wish i'd kept that one around).

there will be a different set of resolutions available depending on the mode.
Code: [Select]
RESOLUTION_CHOICES_X CHOICES("640","768","960","1280","1344","1472","1600","1728","1856","1920","2048","2560","2880","3584")

aspect_ratio_choices[] = { "3:1","2.67:1","2.50:1","2.39:1","2.35:1","2.20:1","2:1","1.85:1", "16:9","5:3","3:2","4:3","1:1"};

the 50D in raw mode will drop the width to the maximum available in LiveView - approximately 1536 pixels.
in zoom mode, 1920 is possible.

camera card writing speed will limit maximum resolution - seems like around 55 MB/s is maximum even on cards that benchmark at higher speeds.

for 16x9 HD aspect  shooters:
Resolution  : 1536 x 864
Frames      : 2946
Frame size  : 2322432 bytes
Frame skip  : 1
FPS         : 24.000
Processing frame 2946 of 2946...
Done.

Resolution  : 1920 x 768
Frames      : 2080
Frame size  : 2580480 bytes
Frame skip  : 1
FPS         : 24.000
Processing frame 2080 of 2080...

FWIW - thought i let people know that graphics enables works with the released 28May13 build stable at 57MB/s
Gregory Of Manhattan ‏@GregoryOnRoad 29 May
canon #50D gating 60 seconds of raw video at 57MB/s with graphic overlay enabled @autoexec_bin pic.twitter.com/rrxmC8OupA

speaking of graphics draw, recent builds have been doing weird things with it and that needs to be sorted out as well.

will be online less frequently until i get my computer back.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
I think it's of important matter that specific needed changes for the 50d are merged to the unified branch as soon as possible to make sure there are little conflicts in the future. Then it's easier to branch of the unified code to play around a bit :)
Is there an overview of specific 50d stuff? Can't be that much code I guess?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 02:53:05 PM
Thanks all of you guys for the donations so far. I got a lot of response and PM's and after one day the funding for the camera is almost complete! (€ 52,60 left).

I think it will be a good idea to supply 1% with a fast CF card as well, since he only has slow ones. I'm suggesting the 64GB Komputerbay 1000X, cheapest I can find on ebay is about $120. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/KOMPUTERBAY-64GB-COMPACT-FLASH-CARD-CF-1000X-150MB-s-Extreme-Speed-UDMA-7-64-GB-/140978267936?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item20d2f5a720)

I'd like to finish the funding of the camera first and then keep the donations open for a little longer to fund the CF card. If you want to help, send me a PM and I'll send you the instructions and donations overview! Everything counts, even a few dollars/euros are welcome.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2FKOMPUTERBAY-64GB-COMPACT-FLASH-CARD-CF-1000X-150MB-s-Extreme-Speed-UDMA-7-64-GB-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTI5NlgxNTAw%2Fz%2FZjkAAOxyPepRlmKW%2F%24T2eC16h%2C%21yUE9s6NGYHtBRlmKWhCJQ%7E%7E60_12.JPG&hash=6c7c417709be369b3b4b10653b0bed2c)


camera card writing speed will limit maximum resolution - seems like around 55 MB/s is maximum even on cards that benchmark at higher speeds.
I'm getting a bit more out of my card, 59MB/s, but that seems to be the limit of the card rather than the camera, as others have reported getting 1592x1062 recording stable (thats 60+ MB/s).

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 03:01:49 PM
@JulianH

Good call on sending the 50D to 1%. Hopefully my card will turn up today and I can help with testing.

I'll PM you for donation details.

Thanks for everyone's hard work so far.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: blackroom on June 03, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
maybe getting the Komputerbay card from Amazon would be a better idea? or is it not available for International purchase? where is 1% located?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
Thanks all of you guys for the donations so far. I got a lot of response and PM's and after one day the funding for the camera is almost complete! (€ 52,60 left).

I think it will be a good idea to supply 1% with a fast CF card as well, since he only has slow ones. I'm suggesting the 64GB Komputerbay 1000X, cheapest I can find on ebay is about $120. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/KOMPUTERBAY-64GB-COMPACT-FLASH-CARD-CF-1000X-150MB-s-Extreme-Speed-UDMA-7-64-GB-/140978267936?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item20d2f5a720)

I'd like to finish the funding of the camera first and then keep the donations open for a little longer to fund the CF card. If you want to help, send me a PM and I'll send you the instructions and donations overview! Everything counts, even a few dollars/euros are welcome.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2FKOMPUTERBAY-64GB-COMPACT-FLASH-CARD-CF-1000X-150MB-s-Extreme-Speed-UDMA-7-64-GB-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTI5NlgxNTAw%2Fz%2FZjkAAOxyPepRlmKW%2F%24T2eC16h%2C%21yUE9s6NGYHtBRlmKWhCJQ%7E%7E60_12.JPG&hash=6c7c417709be369b3b4b10653b0bed2c)

I'm getting a bit more out of my card, 59MB/s, but that seems to be the limit of the card rather than the camera, as others have reported getting 1592x1062 recording stable (thats 60+ MB/s).

He definitely needs one of those Fast cards for testing.  Guy's let's keep the donations coming we getting there PM Julian for the info.  By the way here is where I bought mines it's directly through KomputerBay for $114 got it in 4 days regular mail: 
http://www.amazon.com/KOMPUTERBAY-Professional-COMPACT-FLASH-Extreme/dp/B009JCL55Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370274547&sr=8-1&keywords=Komputerbay+64GB+CF 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 05:56:33 PM
@JulianH

Good call on sending the 50D to 1%. Hopefully my card will turn up today and I can help with testing.

I'll PM you for donation details.

Thanks for everyone's hard work so far.

Great please do so we are getting closer to our donations goals for 1%   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 05:58:56 PM
maybe getting the Komputerbay card from Amazon would be a better idea? or is it not available for International purchase? where is 1% located?

That's what I was thinking also that's where I got mines it's directly through KomputerBay for $114.  Shipping was fast 4 days max possibly 5 depends on where you live. 

http://www.amazon.com/KOMPUTERBAY-Professional-COMPACT-FLASH-Extreme/dp/B009JCL55Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370274547&sr=8-1&keywords=Komputerbay+64GB+CF
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 06:01:06 PM
Guy's uploading some 50D footage to vimeo right now.  Just did a quick gorilla handheld style video just to see how it would hold up will post link in 30mins - 1 hour. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
Great news: the Camera is fully funded, thanks to donations from the following ML users:

Quote
JulianH (ML)
Andy600 (ML)
Novosibirets (ML)
Savale (ML)
dhallowell19 (ML)
Menoc (ML)
Goldenchild9to5 (ML)
Hijodeibn (ML)
ashtrai (ML)
Rue (ML)
PhilK (ML)
Blackroom (ML)
Paulforte (ML)
John-Jo (ML)
Primemultimedia (ML)
Bper****
 HHL (ML)
Roman (ML)
Buildbyflying (ML)
Frerichs (ML)
rockfallfilms (ML)
xaled (ML)
Anonymous (ML)

Big thanks to all of you. I took a risk on just buying the camera and shipping it... But I didn't doubt you would be willing to share the costs with me. The response has been great!

There's even $20 'left over' - I have proceeded this into the funds for a CF card. I'll talk to 1% what will be the best way to get a card to him. No worries about that. We can even discuss the specific card, type etc. I've set the goal at $120 which should be enough.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 06:59:56 PM
Great news: the Camera is fully funded, thanks to donations from the following ML users:

Big thanks to all of you. I took a risk on just buying the camera and shipping it... But I didn't doubt you would be willing to share the costs with me. The response has been great!

There's even $20 'left over' - I have proceeded this into the funds for a CF card. I'll talk to 1% what will be the best way to get a card to him. No worries about that. We can even discuss the specific card, type etc. I've set the goal at $120 which should be enough.

He needs a fast card, Let's make it happen keep us updated.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 07:06:01 PM
Hey guy's here is a quick test 50D Resolution blew me away.. 

WorkFlow: After Effects (ACR) exported to a Flat Log ProRes 4444 File / Into Premiere Pro CS5.5 for editing / Into Resolve 9 for so simple color adjustments nothing major / Back into Premiere Pro little bit of sharpening and exported out to H264 1080p voila..
KomputerBay 64GB 1000X CF Card

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 07:29:14 PM
Finally got my card and just did a quick test:

1320x742 - continuous
1440x810 - 800 frames
1592x896 - 200 frames

All 24 fps

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x

I'm getting slower than other people so I may have something still turned on in the canon menus. Do you guys turn off histogram/wave form etc?

This is with global draw set to liveview

Also when you run the benchmark how do you get a screen print?

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
Finally got my card and just did a quick test:

1320x742 - continuous
1440x810 - 800 frames
1592x896 - 200 frames

All 24 fps

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x

I'm getting slower than other people so I may have something still turned on in the canon menus. Do you guys turn off histogram/wave form etc?

Also when you run the benchmark how do you get a screen print?

Yep turn all of those off, make sure you put your 50D on JPG (Large) mode and turn off Raw.  In Magic Lantern menu turn off Global Draw, turn Hacked Mode (ON)  One more thing what build are you using?  you need to be on the @Gregory's May 28th build that's the most stable one so far, go back 1, or 2 pages from this post I posted a link of full build download and install.  Make sure you format your card in camera.  Let me know if everything went smoothly. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 07:52:42 PM
Check this post by Menoc for settings to disable in the Canon menu's:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg45086#msg45086

Use Gregory's May28th build, it is linked in the first post of this topic! (last update).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 07:53:31 PM
Yeah I'm using the build you mentioned.

I just did another test with everything switched off and it now runs continuously at 1592x896. I wonder how Julian is getting continuous with global draw on??

Here's a quick screengrab:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fu%2F24738031%2FML%2F000575.jpg&hash=3da0e246d1b8a5954db0c33f254c2832)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
Yeah I'm using the build you mentioned.

I just did another test with everything switched off and it now runs continuously at 1592x896. I wonder how Julian is getting continuous with global draw on??

Here's a quick screengrab:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6HUSFpmHmZEbFlhdmxEZ2RmSVE/edit?usp=sharing
I wonder too.. but it really works for me.

Just checked again:
GD off, 1592x896, recording around 52-53MB/s, skips after about 500 frames.
GD on, 1592x896, recording around 56-57MB/s, keeps running. After 12GB I got bored and stopped, it just keeps going.

Anyway, the development of the 50D is still early. The fact that it can run like this (and even better for other users with faster cards than my Sandisk 90GB/s) proves that there are good things to come :) IMO it already works like a charm, even with all the bugs and errors in the code.

Your screengrab doesn't work, it's not public.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
Which card are you using?

Just been out and filmed something in the garden, going to see how it turned out! Strangely I've got a .R00 file in with the RAW's

Link should work now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 03, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Finally, my KomputerBay 32GB card arrived!  ;D

Just shot a few tests @1592x896. Buffer always stayed at one star, no big deal, camera and CF card bored as hell!

But important: turn on hacked mode! Otherwise, it won't work!

More experiments following...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 03, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
Finally, my KomputerBay 32GB card arrived!  ;D

Just shot a few tests @1592x896. Buffer always stayed at one star, no big deal, camera and CF card bored as hell!

But important: turn on hacked mode! Otherwise, it won't work!

More experiments following...

While every camera/card is different, I'm able to get 29+ GB non-stop recording @ 1592x896 24p with my 32GB KomputerBay card without having hacked mode on.  I do, however, need hacked mode when shooting at 1920 resolution in 5X mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 03, 2013, 09:24:19 PM
Got my CF card in today Recorded 1329frames (stopped myself, seemed very stable) 1592x896 24fps on Komputerbay 64gb 1000x Card. Global draw On but no histograms or focus peaking. Transcoding the footage right now, but so far things are seemingly going off to a good start.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 09:47:42 PM
Which card are you using?

Just been out and filmed something in the garden, going to see how it turned out! Strangely I've got a .R00 file in with the RAW's

Link should work now.
Sandisk Extreme 90MB/s 32GB.
R00 (and R01 etc.) you'll get when your recording is larger than 4GB. It will split up the files.

Link is working, good job on the dishes! ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 03, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
What do you think guys?, is it Komputerbay 64 GB 1000x the way to go?.......
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 09:59:27 PM
What settings are you guys using in liveview? I have a manual lens on the camera and when i change aperture it changes brightness in liveview as it should.

I must have the wrong setting somewhere because when I increase the ISO it has no effect and the spot meter doesn't move. Even if I put it on ISO auto nothing changes.

I checked the ISO and it's working fine through the viewfinder, just not in liveview.

Any ideas what I've got wrong?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 10:02:48 PM

Just another test video. Trying to wrap my head around the low light performance of this beast.
Shot with Sigma 30mm f/1.4 at 1/50 H1 (ISO 6400 equivalent) at 1592x864. Upsized in Premiere to 1080p (just scaled 121%).

Pushed the exposure in ACR two stops up, so equivalent = ISO 25.600. Added a bit of luma and color noise correction to taste, kept sharpening low.

Here's a screen grab, edited and unedited (http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_20742_64_301194.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: pinger007 on June 03, 2013, 10:06:23 PM
What do you think guys?, is it Komputerbay 64 GB 1000x the way to go?.......

Reading through the forum you'll see that the KompterBay 1000X 32gb and 64gb are great cards.  I get flawless recordings on my 50D and 5D Mark III with both flavors.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 03, 2013, 10:11:45 PM
What settings are you guys using in liveview? I have a manual lens on the camera and when i change aperture it changes brightness in liveview as it should.

I must have the wrong setting somewhere because when I increase the ISO it has no effect and the spot meter doesn't move. Even if I put it on ISO auto nothing changes.

I checked the ISO and it's working fine through the viewfinder, just not in liveview.

Any ideas what I've got wrong?

Have you tried exposure override in ML's exposure menu?

EDIT: override not lock, sorry.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
@JulianH:

It's a proof you should try to avoid these high iso's because of the noise and color issues. BUT it's also a proof that if you have little choice the footage is still very usable :) (or you can use the noise as creative effect) Thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CFP on June 03, 2013, 10:19:42 PM
Have you seen this: 50D RAW vs C100 | Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/67543234)?

SHIT! That really blew my mind! ;D

I said it a few times already but it's true: Magic Lantern is the best thing you can download from the internet.

It's a free firmware add-on that turns your 5 year old 50D (A camera that was build for photography only!!!) into a 5.000 € BEAST!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 10:22:34 PM

Just another test video. Trying to wrap my head around the low light performance of this beast.
Shot with Sigma 30mm f/1.4 at 1/50 H1 (ISO 6400 equivalent) at 1592x864. Upsized in Premiere to 1080p (just scaled 121%).

Pushed the exposure in ACR two stops up, so equivalent = ISO 25.600. Added a bit of luma and color noise correction to taste, kept sharpening low.

Here's a screen grab, edited and unedited (http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_20742_64_301194.jpg)

Great test man.. Amazing ISO 25,600 Wow looks like it's day time 50D is official a beast of a camera  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 03, 2013, 10:25:55 PM
Have you seen this: 50D RAW vs C100 | Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/67543234)?

SHIT! That really blew my mind! ;D

I said it a few times already but it's true: Magic Lantern is the best thing you can download from the internet.

It's a free firmware add-on that turns your 5 year old 50D (A camera that was build for photography only!!!) into a 5.000 € BEAST!

Yeah.. that video is amazing the 50D images looks better than the C100 even upscaled.  The C100 is $6K right Canon 50D $500 with Raw recording.  I think we are gonna see a lot of C100's on ebay soon. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 10:51:14 PM
Have you tried exposure override in ML's exposure menu?

EDIT: override not lock, sorry.


Thanks for that, I've turned it on and now the ISO dial is having an effect. Do you have exposure sim on or off?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 03, 2013, 10:52:26 PM
How is battery life doing with raw recording? I heard when recording h264 it drains pretty fast.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 03, 2013, 10:54:40 PM

Thanks for that, I've turned it on and now the ISO dial is having an effect. Do you have exposure sim on or off?

Had it off at first, but for a clip I just shot I turned it on because I think I read that it's recommended? Just got my card today so I'm figuring out all the small details aswell.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 11:04:02 PM
Here is my first raw test. I use to shoot girls/models, but since there was none available today I used some flowers for my first test ;)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 03, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
How is battery life doing with raw recording? I heard when recording h264 it drains pretty fast.
I haven't 'counted' it but it runs out pretty fast I think. I'm not very concerned about it, just keep a few spares and my card is full (32GB) before I run out of a battery anyway. You'd need a sh*tload of storage to shoot more than you can last with your batteries.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eattheblinds on June 03, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
hey all, big fan of ML and just registered to help walk me through this new canon raw video revolution.  just picked up a handful of 50Ds and hoping to get some test footage up soon and help with the development. advance apologies for being a noob and the subsequent dumb questions i'll be asking.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 03, 2013, 11:15:14 PM
Speaking of dumb questions, trying to figure it out myself but can't. Whenever I transcode my tiffs (from RPP) inside MPEG Streamclip I'm getting a sort of dreamy blurry motion, depsite FPS override being on at 24fps. I'm setting MPEG Streamclip for 24fps aswell I'm not sure what I'm not sure what's going wrong exactly. Anyone else experience this?
Title: FPS and Aperture
Post by: rommex on June 03, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Hey all.

I'm a fan of ML, have used it on my 550D a lot and now am very close to decide to buy a used 50D -- all for the sake of RAW video. I also took part in 1% cam donation -- this is my token contribution to all the HUGE work that's being done here.

I have 2 questions though that bother me:

1. I see all these amazing test videos with 24 FPS. Is there 25FPS? For my work it is crucial.

2. I read the other day about the problem with electronic aperture for EF lens. I would appreciate if someone assures me that I can control my electronic aperture while shooting RAW video.

Thanks a lot people! This community is cool  8)
Title: Re: FPS and Aperture
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 11:35:49 PM
Hey all.

I'm a fan of ML, have used it on my 550D a lot and now am very close to decide to buy a used 50D -- all for the sake of RAW video. I also took part in 1% cam donation -- this is my token contribution to all the HUGE work that's being done here.

I have 2 questions though that bother me:

1. I see all these amazing test videos with 24 FPS. Is there 25FPS? For my work it is crucial.

2. I read the other day about the problem with electronic aperture for EF lens. I would appreciate if someone assures me that I can control my electronic aperture while shooting RAW video.

Thanks a lot people! This community is cool  8)

Answers:
1) 25FPS will work too, but the lower the FPS the less bandwidth is needed. Make sure you get a 1000x card and you're fine :)
2) I read that also, but I had no problem controlling an EF-S lens. Maybe someone else can help you out... If this is even an issue I am pretty sure it will be fixed one day
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 03, 2013, 11:42:16 PM

1. I see all these amazing test videos with 24 FPS. Is there 25FPS? For my work it is crucial.

2. I read the other day about the problem with electronic aperture for EF lens. I would appreciate if someone assures me that I can control my electronic aperture while shooting RAW video.


I've just shot some footage at 25fps and it recorded fine, I'm using a 1000x card, the buffer usage looked pretty similar to 24fps.

I also tried out an EFS lens (Tamron 17-50mm) and found that when I stopped it down the LV image didn't darken much. Even when I stopped down to almost closed, the LV image was still pretty bright.

Manual aperture lenses seem to work fine though.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Chris50d on June 03, 2013, 11:50:48 PM
Hello everyone,
have been doing some testing and i would like to know how is your workflow from shooting to final video.
So, i capture the movie. use raw2dng to convert to dng, open the dng in after effects which opens camera raw and i make my adjustments in a supossed to be (14 bit) file. then when e edit the video im not getting the dinamic range that a 14 bit image should give me. is there any software that makes me able to work with dng's at their full color depth? im using after effects but im sure there is another way around....
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 03, 2013, 11:58:06 PM
Hello everyone,
have been doing some testing and i would like to know how is your workflow from shooting to final video.
So, i capture the movie. use raw2dng to convert to dng, open the dng in after effects which opens camera raw and i make my adjustments in a supossed to be (14 bit) file. then when e edit the video im not getting the dinamic range that a 14 bit image should give me. is there any software that makes me able to work with dng's at their full color depth? im using after effects but im sure there is another way around....

After Effects can handle up to 32 Bit float footage so 14 Bit raw is no problem for AE. Just make sure to change the composition settings to 16 Bits per channel. Press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+K to access that menu
(A standard AE composition has only 8 Bits per channel which equals a JPEG picture)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 03, 2013, 11:59:38 PM
You'll always loose the dynamic range of raw / dng, but make sure you do that in the final stage only. (back to h264/mp4 for internet usage) Only problems I run into myself is the color space in after effects.

@dacssfreak: thanks for that one. The video I posted was 8bit  :o (bit still ok)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: nightvision04 on June 04, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
I don't think there's a program that will let you work with a preserved 14-bit colour. That's why its important to desaturate /turn down highlights/ turn up shadows when you're importing into After Effects, you'll need to create "log style" images that you can later retrieve your entire colorspace.

If any program is close to working with native RAW, it's Resolve, but they're not quite there yet.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 04, 2013, 12:07:51 AM
There's no need or sense to want a 14 bit final file I think. The whole advantage of raw is the freedom you have when grading. The final result can have way less dynamic range if you push the contrasts, or you can compress the highlights and brighten the shadows to get as much as DR as you want. You'll never see the whole 14 bits on a screen anyway. The power is in the 'hidden' data, the fact that you can lift up shadows or darken highlights without destroying the image.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: blackroom on June 04, 2013, 12:13:46 AM
was just corresponding with the mosaic engineering guys about the 5D2 VAF.
they're interested in getting a 50D to test out, we might find out soon if the 6D filter could work.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 12:48:59 AM
was just corresponding with the mosaic engineering guys about the 5D2 VAF.
they're interested in getting a 50D to test out, we might find out soon if the 6D filter could work.

Don't think the 50D needs it, to me the image is fine I have little to none Aliasing and moire in my footage. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
Guy's only $53 to go.. please get your donations in, if you haven't yet contact @JulianH for details.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 04, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
Here is my first raw test. I use to shoot girls/models, but since there was none available today I used some flowers for my first test ;)

Looks OK for a first test.....and I would love to see some RAW in girls/models.....please include the resolution you are shooting :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 04, 2013, 01:08:28 AM
Guy's only $53 to go.. please get your donations in, if you haven't yet contact @JulianH for details.

This community rocks.....almost there guys.....lets complete the last step!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 04, 2013, 01:21:42 AM
Went out for some shots earlier, didn't have the time to process everything and to make an edit, but I wanted to show some shots anyway. Going to try some new workflows with more of the footage later.


Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8, after sunset. High iso.

Ungraded, straight conversions from raw (bit of noise reduction and less sharpening)
Upsized in Premiere to 1080p. Added sharpen 20 in Premiere.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 04, 2013, 01:57:10 AM
Guy's only $53 to go.. please get your donations in, if you haven't yet contact @JulianH for details.

Waiting that my money enter in my paypal account  :'(   (3 days)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ble55ed on June 04, 2013, 01:57:44 AM
I'm thinking of buying a 50D, I see you said High ISO but how high? I can't take my T2i over 1250 without a lot of noise
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 04, 2013, 02:09:48 AM
Waiting that my money enter in my paypal account  :'(   (3 days)

Likewise. The growth of this is phenomenal.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 04, 2013, 02:18:37 AM
I'm thinking of buying a 50D, I see you said High ISO but how high? I can't take my T2i over 1250 without a lot of noise
It's hard to tell what iso the camera is really using in live view... I can't tell any more. I've put it on H1, H2, (6400, 12800) but it might be less actually. If I take a picture at the same setting, it's brighter than the live view image. Anyway, it was dark and i shot at f/2.8 1/50s and it looks pretty good to me.

Do buy a 50D. It's worth it for the resolution alone.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 04, 2013, 02:26:13 AM
It's hard to tell what iso the camera is really using in live view... I can't tell any more. I've put it on H1, H2, (6400, 12800) but it might be less actually. If I take a picture at the same setting, it's brighter than the live view image. Anyway, it was dark and i shot at f/2.8 1/50s and it looks pretty good to me.

Do buy a 50D. It's worth it for the resolution alone.
Your sunset sky made me happy, I've always had problems with sky colors in h264. Can't wait to get the 50d.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 04, 2013, 02:50:37 AM
Your sunset sky made me happy, I've always had problems with sky colors in h264. Can't wait to get the 50d.

Being able to isolate colors with MUCH more accuracy is a breath of fresh air compared to the usual h264 you get out canon. The image just doesn't fall apart immediately I love it.

HOWEVER, does anyone know why I'm having these frame rate problems? ML RAW says I'm shooting at 24p, when I convert to dng with RAW2DNG it reads as 24p, but if I try to transcode into any codec or even drop raw Tiffs right onto my timeline I get playback as if it's 12fps, then I have to retime it by 2x just get close. Has anyone else experienced this?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 04, 2013, 02:51:30 AM
Being able to isolate colors with MUCH more accuracy is a breath of fresh air compared to the usual h264 you get out canon. The image just doesn't fall apart immediately I love it.

HOWEVER, does anyone know why I'm having these frame rate problems? ML RAW says I'm shooting at 24p, when I convert to dng with RAW2DNG it reads as 24p, but if I try to transcode into any codec or even drop raw Tiffs right onto my timeline I get playback as if it's 12fps, then I have to retime it by 2x just get close. Has anyone else experienced this?

Where are you processing the TIFF sequences?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 04, 2013, 02:56:05 AM
Being able to isolate colors with MUCH more accuracy is a breath of fresh air compared to the usual h264 you get out canon. The image just doesn't fall apart immediately I love it.

HOWEVER, does anyone know why I'm having these frame rate problems? ML RAW says I'm shooting at 24p, when I convert to dng with RAW2DNG it reads as 24p, but if I try to transcode into any codec or even drop raw Tiffs right onto my timeline I get playback as if it's 12fps, then I have to retime it by 2x just get close. Has anyone else experienced this?
Well that used to happen to me doing timelapses in AE, I forgot where you can change the import settings (do a quick google) but you can always press "interprete footage" by right click on the secuence and change the framerate to 24 or 23,976

[edit] I found it, in After effects -> Edit -> Preferences ->Import ->  Image secuence -> set to correct framerate.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 04, 2013, 02:59:35 AM
Where are you processing the TIFF sequences?

Using Raw Photo Processor to process the DNGs into Tiff. From there MPEG Streamclip to process into prores444. I might try using the raw function on my t2i and see if I have the same frame rate problems.

Darn, not using after effects.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 04, 2013, 03:11:46 AM
Using Raw Photo Processor to process the DNGs into Tiff. From there MPEG Streamclip to process into prores444. I might try using the raw function on my t2i and see if I have the same frame rate problems.

Darn, not using after effects.

It's something in MPEG Streamclip. I'm using QT Pro 7 and no issue.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 03:16:43 AM
Went out for some shots earlier, didn't have the time to process everything and to make an edit, but I wanted to show some shots anyway. Going to try some new workflows with more of the footage later.


Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8, after sunset. High iso.

Ungraded, straight conversions from raw (bit of noise reduction and less sharpening)
Upsized in Premiere to 1080p. Added sharpen 20 in Premiere.

Great job Julian images looks clean looks like it was shot @ ISO 1250.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 04, 2013, 03:19:56 AM
My first shot with 50D Raw.

https://vimeo.com/67608412 (https://vimeo.com/67608412)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on June 04, 2013, 03:23:56 AM

Just another test video. Trying to wrap my head around the low light performance of this beast.
Shot with Sigma 30mm f/1.4 at 1/50 H1 (ISO 6400 equivalent) at 1592x864. Upsized in Premiere to 1080p (just scaled 121%).

Pushed the exposure in ACR two stops up, so equivalent = ISO 25.600. Added a bit of luma and color noise correction to taste, kept sharpening low.

Here's a screen grab, edited and unedited (http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/gallery/album_64/gallery_20742_64_301194.jpg)
Did you use FPS override or is this 30fps?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 03:27:34 AM
My first shot with 50D Raw.

https://vimeo.com/67608412 (https://vimeo.com/67608412)

Beautiful images.. What was you workflow?  Did you shoot @ 24FPS exact? 
Title: Re: FPS and Aperture
Post by: pinger007 on June 04, 2013, 03:31:56 AM
Answers:
1) 25FPS will work too, but the lower the FPS the less bandwidth is needed. Make sure you get a 1000x card and you're fine :)
2) I read that also, but I had no problem controlling an EF-S lens. Maybe someone else can help you out... If this is even an issue I am pretty sure it will be fixed one day

You can definitely control electronic aperture lenses, but it's currently a bit of a hassle.  There's an option in the magic lantern menus to select DOF Preview sticky.  When you select this, you can push the DOF preview button on the front of the camera (just to the lower left of the lens).  Once engaged, the liveview button will light up blue and your lens aperture will be correct.  However, if you are shooting raw, you must first push the live view button to begin recording, and THEN you press the DOF preview button.  When you're ready to stop recording, you must FIRST disengage the DOF preview, and THEN press the live view button to stop filming.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 04, 2013, 03:54:48 AM
Beautiful images.. What was you workflow?  Did you shoot @ 24FPS exact?

My workflow was the following:

1. raw2dng
2. Import .dng into After Effects, correct white balance.
2a. Adjust the aspect ratio to 66% because I shot with anamorphic lens
2b. Made some color corrections using the basic color corrector inside AE
3. Export to Pro Res 422 at 1280 x 720 and upload to Vimeo. (didn't bother with 1080 for this)

I used 23.98  FPS override in the 50D.

The above is very straight forward (and I love AE's Raw processor cos its just like Lightroom). I intend on shooting more when I get my 128GB CF card (and, er, with a tripod), and I want to master the online / offline workflow using Pro Res 4444 1080 as my master files, then edit in 422 in FCP then reconform to 4444, color and export. That looks like the best workflow to me. Although, not sure if I need 4444 or 422 just yet. Maybe it's not worth the extra work.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 04, 2013, 03:59:45 AM
It's something in MPEG Streamclip. I'm using QT Pro 7 and no issue.

Thanks, that pushed me in the right direction. I just tried compressor, and it seemed to render the frame rate accurately, the problem is every time I try to load an image sequence larger than about 140 frames compressor hangs on me. So close yet so far!

At least it wasn't something on the camera side.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 04, 2013, 03:59:56 AM
Likewise. The growth of this is phenomenal.

Yes, indeed. I was impossible to make a donation at the time went out the  ML for the 7D, which is my camera ... but I followed the treat of the 50D from the beginning and how I could not in my time I want to do it now ... although i dont have a 50D, but very soon i will buy one  ;D

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 04:10:28 AM
My workflow was the following:

1. raw2dng
2. Import .dng into After Effects, correct white balance.
2a. Adjust the aspect ratio to 66% because I shot with anamorphic lens
2b. Made some color corrections using the basic color corrector inside AE
3. Export to Pro Res 422 at 1280 x 720 and upload to Vimeo. (didn't bother with 1080 for this)

I used 23.98  FPS override in the 50D.

The above is very straight forward (and I love AE's Raw processor cos its just like Lightroom). I intend on shooting more when I get my 128GB CF card (and, er, with a tripod), and I want to master the online / offline workflow using Pro Res 4444 1080 as my master files, then edit in 422 in FCP then reconform to 4444, color and export. That looks like the best workflow to me. Although, not sure if I need 4444 or 422 just yet. Maybe it's not worth the extra work.

Thanks for reply.. you should try 24fps Exact just tried it today, gonna compare with low light.  I think ProRes 4444 1080 is the way to go, you will have all the flexibility in post to grade. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 04:11:50 AM
Yes, indeed. I was impossible to make a donation at the time went out the  ML for the 7D, which is my camera ... but I followed the treat of the 50D from the beginning and how I could not in my time I want to do it now ... although i dont have a 50D, but very soon i will buy one  ;D

You don't even have a 50D yet Wow.. you gotta be a true fan of the 50D than.  Hope you get yours soon let us know. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Ifani on June 04, 2013, 04:20:49 AM
damn i was kicked out because of timelimit i guess ;D

can i still donate for the cf card for 1%?
i got a 50D one week ago and like to support julians commitment to press ahead with the 50D raw filmmakingpossibility one couldnt imagine a few weeks ago, started with the 5d mk3.

the abilities even low budget enthousiatsts get right now are groundbreaking.

hope i can help more when a transcend 16gb 1000x arrives:)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Ifani on June 04, 2013, 04:30:33 AM
P.S.
big thanks to this community for the possibilities people get in filmmaking, it's amazing.
(that was also something like i wrote in my first post, when i got kicked out haha :))

in early tests with a transcend 400x 32gb i shot in 1280 x 752 i guess, i noticed a lot of moire. (a detailed street scenery)
what are your experiences?
is it acceptable in 1592 width?

greetings
David

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 04, 2013, 05:02:43 AM
Zeiss glass and the 50D tonight. Finally. I'll get a video up soon. Show some log to color stuff.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 05:06:57 AM
@Roman: thanks for testing. Looking forward to the results

Hey sorry I've been busy but when I had a look... some footage I filmed at 10x zoom didnt seem to be affected by this (although it was probably 'stretching' the image rather than downsizing it to achieve 10x zoom?)

I havent had a good look at the 5x ones yet.

But since it's not present in the still picture raw files that I've taken, I've got a few theories...

1. It's something to do with how raw2dng debayers the image perhaps, or this needs to work slightly different for 50D compared to other cameras? Probably not if it doesnt affect 10x zoom images.

2. When it downsamples the image for livewview perhaps it takes 'clusters' of pixels rather than 1? So you get an aliased/moired 'edge' on the blocks of 4 or 6 pixels wide which is giving the square pattern. (I'll try count the 'block' size tonight)

Might be a plan to try shoot some 'dark' frames and subtract the difference from an image to find the exact pattern and see if that helps figure out what might be causing it. Or, I wonder if part of the in camera iso noise reduction could remove this in real time if it's caused by predictable sensor noise. Or maybe worst case scenario batch subtracting 'dark' frames from shots that are affected might help if it's uniform in appearance.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 04, 2013, 05:14:03 AM
You don't even have a 50D yet Wow.. you gotta be a true fan of the 50D than.  Hope you get yours soon let us know.

Yes, im huge fan of 50D  :D  i just use my 7D for video and some times the foto for timelapse... i already think exchange my 7D for a 50D and some more money... but then i lost my 60fps and sound capability. So, i will wait more a little bit and get the all money for one 50D and some cf cards. 

...and also this is one way to say thanks  ML All Super Stars Team, thank you for the 7D ML (close donation at that time...) and for all the achievement that they have for over pass the Canon functions.

Lets rock !!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: clovis on June 04, 2013, 05:26:34 AM
I haven't 'counted' it but it runs out pretty fast I think. I'm not very concerned about it, just keep a few spares and my card is full (32GB) before I run out of a battery anyway. You'd need a sh*tload of storage to shoot more than you can last with your batteries.
Julian, I would like to donate, please can you send your pay pal information to my email
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 04, 2013, 05:28:30 AM
Hey sorry I've been busy but when I had a look... some footage I filmed at 10x zoom didnt seem to be affected by this (although it was probably 'stretching' the image rather than downsizing it to achieve 10x zoom?)

I havent had a good look at the 5x ones yet.

But since it's not present in the still picture raw files that I've taken, I've got a few theories...

1. It's something to do with how raw2dng debayers the image perhaps, or this needs to work slightly different for 50D compared to other cameras? Probably not if it doesnt affect 10x zoom images.

2. When it downsamples the image for livewview perhaps it takes 'clusters' of pixels rather than 1? So you get an aliased/moired 'edge' on the blocks of 4 or 6 pixels wide which is giving the square pattern. (I'll try count the 'block' size tonight)

Might be a plan to try shoot some 'dark' frames and subtract the difference from an image to find the exact pattern and see if that helps figure out what might be causing it. Or, I wonder if part of the in camera iso noise reduction could remove this in real time if it's caused by predictable sensor noise. Or maybe worst case scenario batch subtracting 'dark' frames from shots that are affected might help if it's uniform in appearance.

If its a fixed pattern, shooting an 18% grey solid at all ISOs and holding that in neat video as a preset will knock it out perfectly.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 05:34:10 AM
Aahhh yeah true! I forgot about neat video heh.

Perhaps that could be the way to go, then upload Neat video presets for the pattern noise removal.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 04, 2013, 05:35:04 AM
Aahhh yeah true! I forgot about neat video heh.

Perhaps that could be the way to go, then upload Neat video presets for the pattern noise removal.

That might work, a cam to cam profile might be better. Due to the fact that it's raw.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 05:42:36 AM
Yeah good point... I guess there might be more variance on account of that 50Ds are about 5yrs old now, compared to others. I think mine might be due for a clean.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: e46 on June 04, 2013, 05:57:49 AM
Thank you ML for reviving my 50d, it has been parking at my drybox for more than a year.

I just get one sandisk extreme pro, loaded ML (28May) on it and tested my first raw video, i got average speed of 55mbps.

and here is it, my 6 months old baby girl tasting her first papaya.



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 01:58:55 PM
Been doing some more tests tonight. I'm not convinced that there is any control over ISO or shutter speed at this stage. (using a manual lense, samyang 35mm)

For example if I'm recording at 30fps, I can set it to higher than 1/30th of a second which shouldnt be possible. Setting it any lower appears to make no difference I can discern either.

Also selecting through different ISOs, and the raw histogram stays exactly the same.

When I scroll the camera past a dark scene, to a light scene, and back to a dark scene, the camera is automatically adjusting the exposure to suit.

I havent checked the footage itself yet though... But I would assume it corresponds with the live view image, given that's where the raw file comes from.

As best I can tell there's no way to adjust the "exposure override" settings when it's in movie mode.

EDIT: Here are two frames from a panning shot with no settings adjusted by me:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiforce.co.nz%2Fi%2Fbb515gmg.by5.jpg&hash=a080892c13a5adb3acab85788703bffa)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiforce.co.nz%2Fi%2Fnxbgrunk.vl0.jpg&hash=bee52effb34c8b0b134cc16ed198b388)



Another update:

Okay so doing some more checks back home , it looks as though changing exposure works... up to a certain point. I think it just needs a 'lock' at the upper limit relating to FPS.

And it looks like ISO adjustment works now too... super weird.  Working in both recording and not.

I definitely had the camera set to 'M' and tried adjusting settings with no luck while out earlier.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 04, 2013, 02:52:16 PM
Well, Exposure Override does the job for me. Just set it to ON. ML now also controls the Aperture, so there also should be no need to activate the sticky DOF.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 02:58:30 PM
Ahh that's good news about the sticky DOF.  8)

Perhaps I had some weird settings there, prior to starting movie mode which have translated across. I'll try some more to replicate it, and find out where I went wrong.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 03:10:26 PM
Aha! I think I know where I went wrong.

I had exposure simulation OFF from when I was playing around with the camera before... But when I was out tonight I already had liveview/movie mode turned on, so when I went to the exposure menu to check, it just shows exposure simulation mode as MOVIE rather than on or off.

Would it be possible to update the exposure simulation setting title to be 'movie(off)' or 'movie(on)' perhaps?
Or just force it on, when in movie mode?

I cant think why you'd have it off while recording.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 04, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
When you set Exposure Override to ON it automatically overrides the exposure simulation. Also disable Movie Mode ... Raw video works without having it enabled.

And turn OFF Exposure Lock and Exposure Presets
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 04, 2013, 03:33:55 PM
ExpSim has only 3 values: off, on or movie. Canon movie mode on 50D is fully automatic, no manual controls.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 04, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
aahhh I see... I thought I needed movie mode turned on, for the raw video to work. (which is part of where I got stuck)

Makes sense, thanks guys!

I'll give it another try tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 03:57:58 PM
If you guy's really wanna know what the 50D in capable of them you need to watch this video.  It's by far one of the best video's I've seen from the beloved 50D I don't the 5D Mark III can hang 50D is more filmic.  Check it out guy's let me know what you think. 

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 04, 2013, 04:31:12 PM
Just been doing some testing at 1592x896 and 25fps

I can get constant recording with the following settings:

Global draw on
Focus peaking on
Sound mode off
Hacked mode on
ISO 500

If I raise the ISO any further then it skips frames.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 04, 2013, 04:36:43 PM
Has anybody tried silent pics lately? I was wondering what the max resolution in 5x zoom mode is.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Ifani on June 04, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
If you guy's really wanna know what the 50D in capable of them you need to watch this video.  It's by far one of the best video's I've seen from the beloved 50D I don't the 5D Mark III can hang 50D is more filmic.  Check it out guy's let me know what you think. 


it looks great and shows quite well the enormous capabilities of the 50D. nice example you found.
though you can still recognize moire in detailed shots like the first even in 1592 x 724. of course its much better
than in 1280 width which was the max. resolution i was able to test at the moment.
maybe the chromatic aberration remove tool in ACR could help?
has anyone tested it yet?

P.S. shouldn't sound like too much critics, i more than love the look, the 50d produces :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Ifani on June 04, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
P.S.
@ goldenchild9to5
did you shot "venice beach" or did you found it?, wasn't sure:)
somehow or other, nice you shared it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AndyNCode on June 04, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
Wonderful works on the hack!

I haven't got a fast card yet. Just got a cheap 600x silicon power, only give me 38m/s. Komputerbay on its long way (10days to AU)!

One question for 1988X1052 in 5x crop mode. Despite of its pinky appearance, actual image seems cover more than the live view display. Is there any possiblity to have a full frame monitoring in crop mode?

Here is a fast test on resolution of my old Tarmon 400/6.3 in 5X mode, 1988X1052, cropped and letter box (basically all black though) to 1920X1080. Noticing the thumbnail is the display from the live view when I shot it, but the actual image recorded is much wider (nearly 2x wider).



Update: Never mind. I found the exact cover here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.msg44398#msg44398
But still, if we can have a actual frame monitoring would be good for tele-shots. I am afraid it's too much to tweak.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
P.S.
@ goldenchild9to5
did you shot "venice beach" or did you found it?, wasn't sure:)
somehow or other, nice you shared it.

I didn't shoot the video I just found it, to me the images are just perfect.  50D does not produce that much aliasing, or moire from all the test I've done and the lower than 1080p Resolution and the way it processes the images gives it that softness roundness to the image which the 5D Mark III don't have. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: jchristman on June 04, 2013, 06:18:05 PM
If you guy's really wanna know what the 50D in capable of them you need to watch this video.  It's by far one of the best video's I've seen from the beloved 50D I don't the 5D Mark III can hang 50D is more filmic.  Check it out guy's let me know what you think. 


Thanks goldenchild, that's my video. I'm amazed at the images that the 50D produces in RAW. Yes, there is still moire; it's especially bad around the houses in the first shot, but overall I'd say moire isn't a big problem. I didn't try the CA tool, but that might take care of some of the color noise.

Jason
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 04, 2013, 06:39:07 PM
Quote
Thanks goldenchild, that's my video. I'm amazed at the images that the 50D produces in RAW. Yes, there is still moire; it's especially bad around the houses in the first shot, but overall I'd say moire isn't a big problem. I didn't try the CA tool, but that might take care of some of the color noise.
Jason

Indeep I liked it....very filmic images......probably with Luxury line lens you could reduce even more the moire and get fantastics images......I just wish i had my camera to do some test with my LOMO lens......a little bit more of patience!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 06:53:32 PM
Thanks goldenchild, that's my video. I'm amazed at the images that the 50D produces in RAW. Yes, there is still moire; it's especially bad around the houses in the first shot, but overall I'd say moire isn't a big problem. I didn't try the CA tool, but that might take care of some of the color noise.

Jason

No problem Christman was such a beautifully shot video I had to post  8)  By the way do you use the "Hacked Mode On" or you just leave it on off.  Lastly what FPS did you set you AE Comp to?  24fps, or 23.976fps  Keep those video's coming..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 07:03:08 PM
Guy's let's keep the donations flowing we are only $25 away from achieving goal, Let's go 50D community.  Developer @1% is counting on us to make it happen & also developer @Gregory.  For more info Please contact @JulianH he will forward you all the info thank you. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 04, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
Hey team.
50D finally arrived this afternoon.  ;D CF card is Sandisk Extreme 32GB 60Mb/s. With this in mind I just went for a 1280 x 720 workflow. Just wanted to try and get my head round it all. Have included the video below, not to show what this camera can do as others have done that far better!!! This is my first go at the whole thing. Pretty exciting times! Currently in a cast and on crutches but hoping to get out and about to get some decent footage tomorrow.

Was running fine at these settings. Can not get Komputer bay sent to NZ. Looking round for others.

For now, here is a beer for all the hard working Magic Lantern crew! Can't send beer through the post to 1% but lets get that card to him!

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 07:38:46 PM
Hey team.
50D finally arrived this afternoon.  ;D CF card is Sandisk Extreme 32GB 60Mb/s. With this in mind I just went for a 1280 x 720 workflow. Just wanted to try and get my head round it all. Have included the video below, not to show what this camera can do as others have done that far better!!! This is my first go at the whole thing. Pretty exciting times! Currently in a cast and on crutches but hoping to get out and about to get some decent footage tomorrow.

Was running fine at these settings. Can not get Komputer bay sent to NZ. Looking round for others.

For now, here is a beer for all the hard working Magic Lantern crew! Can't send beer through the post to 1% but lets get that card to him!


Congrats John.. Great video look good @ 720p looks like a commercial.  You forgot to mention @Gregoryofmanhattan he put in a lot of work on this lastest build that we are currently using.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 04, 2013, 08:08:48 PM
I've been having a great time with a KomputerBay 32GB 1000x CF card - being able to shoot continuously at max resolution. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for my new KomputerBay 1000x 128GB card. It typically stops recording around 250 frames every time. Seems to max out at 48 MB/s where as my 32GB card runs smoothly at around 57 MB/s. - Are the 128GB cards known to be bad? Or could it be that I'm doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 08:58:10 PM
I've been having a great time with a KomputerBay 32GB 1000x CF card - being able to shoot continuously at max resolution. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for my new KomputerBay 1000x 128GB card. It typically stops recording around 250 frames every time. Seems to max out at 48 MB/s where as my 32GB card runs smoothly at around 57 MB/s. - Are the 128GB cards known to be bad? Or could it be that I'm doing something wrong?

The KomputerBay 128GB seems to be slower don't know why but it is.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 04, 2013, 09:02:36 PM
I've been having a great time with a KomputerBay 32GB 1000x CF card - being able to shoot continuously at max resolution. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for my new KomputerBay 1000x 128GB card. It typically stops recording around 250 frames every time. Seems to max out at 48 MB/s where as my 32GB card runs smoothly at around 57 MB/s. - Are the 128GB cards known to be bad? Or could it be that I'm doing something wrong?

Yes. The 128GB cards are slower. You should have gotten 2 64GB 1000x . . . Send it back for refund or exchange maybe?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 04, 2013, 09:04:50 PM
Yes. The 128GB cards are slower. You should have gotten 2 64GB 1000x . . . Send it back for refund or exchange maybe?

Indeed - thanks. Just saw this post as well - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5391.msg34356#msg34356 - I'll return the 128 and go for the 64s.
Title: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: Rolfe Klement on June 04, 2013, 11:03:47 PM
Dear All

This is amazing. Huge thanks to everyone working on this!! I am a newbie here and was thinking about creating a summary help document for 50D users. I have had a interesting 5 days getting this working. My background is film cinema and this whole canon ML and Canon ML RAW is all new to me. So hopefully my ignorance can help write a better document for complete newbies to 50D RAW. Please amend  / correct which I have had to figure out from reading various posts all over the place. Again I expect I have made some basic errors but this is draft 1...and if this has been done before then apologies.

Get a 50D - ideally with low shutter count - submit a picture from the camera to a site (search google for shutter count websites) to get the shutter count
Get fast CF cards (link here for reviews) but ideally a 4 x 64GB 1000x card
Format the card in camera
Copy the latest build for 50D to your computer drive -  link here to latest build (not sure of best..) - (Note - Each CF card you use in the camera needs the build software since ML seems to reference the code on the CF card -  is this correct?)
Copy the files to the CF card (Note for mac OSX users - The fast CF cards needs a USB3 reader -  even if your machine only has USB2 ports. If you use USB2 readers with the fast cards then it endlessly mounts and dismounts - even in Disk Utility)
Put CF card with ML software into camera
Update firmware on camera - using standard canon menu
reboot camera - do this by power off and on
Press the TRASH button (this takes you into ML controls) on camera to check it has loaded correctly (click through messages using the wheel, set and mouse, centre mouse hold (figure out what does what -it is easy-ish)
The ML interface build should have a M tab - enable the modules and set to auto load -  you should see a RAW modules
Reboot camera
Set camera to no RAW and S JPEG using standard Canon controls - this helps buffer sizes and makes ML video better going forward
Click TRASH - you are now in ML in video
Go to ML video tab -  enable RAW (It might give you weird frame sizes - don't worry)
Go into Live View -  press TRASH - amend RAW frame / fps settings by holding the mouse click button down for a few seconds
Set the frame rate to 24 or 25
Make sure camera battery is at least 20% - ML seems to go wonky on me sometimes below 20%
disable global draw -  is this valid?
(note each time you reboot you need to set the RAW settings again -  this is irritating but you learn how to do it quite quickly - is this correct)

Now this is where I get hazy - my film background says I need to light meter then set and lock exposure and ISO in camera and then adjust lighting to keep a constant F stop because otherwise the inconsistent DOF is distracting to audience (and it keeps my HMI rental companies in business :-)...
but the 50D seems to not easily allow me to lock F stop with canon standard lenses when shooting video... My newbie question here is "What is the easiest way to lock the camera with a canon lens to F4 at ISO 160 and 24fps - irrespective of reboots or mad changes in scene brightness?"

Is this why most videos using D50 and ML RAW do not use canon lenses. It seems you need a manual lens - I imagine there is a way to lock the F stop on a canon lens but i can't figure it out yet :-) - There seems to be some way using the * button but I can't always get it to work

Once you got footage
Download to computer - using USB3 reader for MAC OSX
Convert RAW sequence to DNG - I use RAW2DNG - drag and drop and builds directory in same place as RAW file - which is why I put it on a separate video hard drive
select all images and open in Photoshop CS5. This opens the RAW tool
Select all images
Tweak to taste - set exposure and colour temp - this is where it is amazing!!
Save as TIFF sequence - left hand menu
Cancel out of RAW CS5 tool then close Photoshop
Then bring into Resolve and grade!
Then be amazed at footage!!

Thanks

Rolfe Klement
creativesunshine.com
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 7thRest on June 04, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
Guy's let's keep the donations flowing we are only $25 away from achieving goal, Let's go 50D community.  Developer @1% is counting on us to make it happen & also developer @Gregory.  For more info Please contact @JulianH he will forward you all the info thank you.

Count me in, PM the details please
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 04, 2013, 11:10:29 PM
Just a few more tests.

KomputerBay 32GB card:


Full sensor in cropped mode (1592x1062): no frame drops. Excellent to choose framing at a later point, like Super35 mm.
5x zoom mode in 2.35:1 aspect ratio (1920x818) : no frame drops. Very nice, full HD shooting in Cinemascope possible!
5x zoom mode in 2.20:1 aspect ratio (1920x872): frame dropping. No 70mm aspect ratio available...  :P

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 04, 2013, 11:26:31 PM
Sorry guys for interrupting. I´am new in the 50D (purchased this evening) land and after reading this forum through 33 pages, I got a question I can not solve. In the fps override I cant not get 24fps exact, the closer I get is 24.001fps, I tweaked the timers but it was no possible. Is the 24.001 the real 24fps or not?. Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 04, 2013, 11:33:31 PM
Turn optimize for -> exact fps on in FPS Override Menu.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 04, 2013, 11:44:26 PM
32GB Lexar and 64GB Komputerbay getting cinemascope
1920x720 with a build on Sunday (this mornings build is lower data-rate no more than 50MB/s on Komputerbay will not do cinemascope - things keep changing very quickly and there are few stable points).


makes a difference how the .raw file is processed.
for this type of thing, i use
ufraw-batch
have also tried RPP and Lightroom

ran a script to process through clips from Sunday - took 3 hours - have more to evaluate.

still noticing strange exposure and white balance shifts if i pan from bright to dark areas.
thought i had set ISO to daylight and locked other settings.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 04, 2013, 11:49:41 PM
32GB Lexar and 64GB Komputerbay getting cinemascope
1920x720 with a build on Sunday (this mornings build is lower data-rate no more than 50MB/s on Komputerbay will not do cinemascope - things keep changing very quickly and there are few stable points).


makes a difference how the .raw file is processed.
for this type of thing, i use
ufraw-batch
have also tried RPP and Lightroom

ran a script to process through clips from Sunday - took 3 hours - have more to evaluate.

still noticing strange exposure and white balance shifts if i pan from bright to dark areas.
thought i had set ISO to daylight and locked other settings.

Great job Gregory this is beautiful footage man, Keep up the good work can't wait to get my hands on this build. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 04, 2013, 11:57:41 PM
I did some more tests, this time with HDMI plugged in. I got strange pink frames every so often.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fu%2F24738031%2FML%2Fpink-frame.jpg&hash=afd09f15c5773fba36a0d85e2d2f1044)

Recorded at 1592x896 at 25fps

Same settings with HDMI unplugged and it was fine.
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: briwil on June 05, 2013, 12:04:11 AM
Dear All

Put CF card with ML software into camera
Update firmware on camera - using standard canon menu
reboot camera - do this by power off and on

I have a quick question about this- the ML installation guide says the 50d needs to have the latest firmware (1.0.9) already installed before you can install ML; I purchased mine used, and it came with firmware 1.0.7.
I feel like I've seen a few posts about installation, and no one ever mentions updating the official firmware first; you do need to do this to get ML working on the camera, no?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 05, 2013, 12:12:02 AM
Yes you need to update the Canon firmware to 1.0.9 before installing ML, you can download it here:

https://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_50D.aspx?type=important&faqtcmuri=tcm:13-846249 (https://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_50D.aspx?type=important&faqtcmuri=tcm:13-846249)
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 05, 2013, 12:12:49 AM
I have a quick question about this- the ML installation guide says the 50d needs to have the latest firmware (1.0.9) already installed before you can install ML; I purchased mine used, and it came with firmware 1.0.7.
I feel like I've seen a few posts about installation, and no one ever mentions updating the official firmware first; you do need to do this to get ML working on the camera, no?

I bought mine used with 1.0.7 on it aswell, updated to official firmware first THEN installed ML. It worked for me.

On Another note, any word of get file spanning functional? I would love to do some narrative tests on here, or perhaps music videos. Not being impatient just trying to gauge the progress on that particular hurdle. It seems to be one of the bigger ones we face with 50D raw right now. Keep up the great work guys.
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: briwil on June 05, 2013, 12:44:52 AM
I bought mine used with 1.0.7 on it aswell, updated to official firmware first THEN installed ML. It worked for me.

Ok, just checking; I couldn't get mine to update the firmware, getting the famous "Update file cannot be found. Please check the memory card and reload the battery and try again" message, not matter what card I used, or using EOS Utility. After scouring forums and seeing it happen to quite a few people over the years, and not seeing any solutions other than people saying they eventually sent their cameras in get checked out (and finding that, yes, there was a problem with the camera), I gave in myself and sent my new/used 50D that I got last week off to Canon yesterday to get looked at.
Just making sure I wasn't missing something in regards to this firmware thing.  :-\
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: Roman on June 05, 2013, 01:15:51 AM
On Another note, any word of get file spanning functional?

It seems to work for me already?

I accidentally recorded a file over 4gb yesterday, and I ended up with .raw and .r00

Then just recombined the files (in this case dv.raw and dv.r00) in Dos prompt with the command:

Copy/b dv.raw+dv.r00 output.raw

to end up with output.raw file which was over the 4gb limit.

Then I could output all of the files to DNG fine.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 05, 2013, 01:17:41 AM
Congrats John.. Great video look good @ 720p looks like a commercial.  You forgot to mention @Gregoryofmanhattan he put in a lot of work on this lastest build that we are currently using.

But of course!  @Gregoryofmanhattan deserves a big thanks! And A1ex, JulianH and pretty much everyone one here!!

Never sure who is on for ML / helping with code, or what everyone's specific involvement is... however great community to be part of and big thanks all round. I know ZERO about code so made sure to donate as a way of hopefully helping out.

Currently only issue for me being the 2 batteries I got with the 50D are shot. The "good" one lasts bout 10 mins. 2 generic replacements en route. Fast CF card next on the list!



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 05, 2013, 01:49:19 AM
Does anyone know how I can get all these things in one Magic Lantern build for the 50D:

1. Anamorphic Preview,
2. the 3x zoom, and;
3. Raw recording.

Is it even possible? THANKS!


Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 01:56:02 AM
It seems to work for me already?

I accidentally recorded a file over 4gb yesterday, and I ended up with .raw and .r00

Then just recombined the files (in this case dv.raw and dv.r00) in Dos prompt with the command:

Copy/b dv.raw+dv.r00 output.raw

to end up with output.raw file which was over the 4gb limit.

Then I could output all of the files to DNG fine.

Wow Roman you figured it out that's awesome, When you convert to DNG it streamlines perfectly with no glitches right? just one smooth conversion?  That is big new  ;D Gonna give it a try later to see how it goes. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 01:58:51 AM
But of course!  @Gregoryofmanhattan deserves a big thanks! And A1ex, JulianH and pretty much everyone one here!!

Never sure who is on for ML / helping with code, or what everyone's specific involvement is... however great community to be part of and big thanks all round. I know ZERO about code so made sure to donate as a way of hopefully helping out.

Currently only issue for me being the 2 batteries I got with the 50D are shot. The "good" one lasts bout 10 mins. 2 generic replacements en route. Fast CF card next on the list!

You definitely right thanks to everyone contributing & this whole ML forum.  10mins is just a tease, when the new ones come in you'll be good to go. 
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 02:01:10 AM
It seems to work for me already?

I accidentally recorded a file over 4gb yesterday, and I ended up with .raw and .r00

Then just recombined the files (in this case dv.raw and dv.r00) in Dos prompt with the command:

Copy/b dv.raw+dv.r00 output.raw

to end up with output.raw file which was over the 4gb limit.

Then I could output all of the files to DNG fine.


So Roman if you have more that two spanned clips than you add another + right..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eattheblinds on June 05, 2013, 02:09:05 AM
and here's my first noob question: i'm trying to put the ML files onto my komputerbay 64gb CF and for some reason i can't even get my macbook pro to read the card.  tried the same card on my gf's mbp and it won't read it either.  is this a dead card or am i missing a step to make the card readable?

NOTE: the other CF card i have (an old/slow lexar that came with the 50D) works/reads just fine and allowed me to install ML 2.3.  haven't bothered to try to install the raw modules/autoexec.bin files on a card this slow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 02:27:56 AM
and here's my first noob question: i'm trying to put the ML files onto my komputerbay 64gb CF and for some reason i can't even get my macbook pro to read the card.  tried the same card on my gf's mbp and it won't read it either.  is this a dead card or am i missing a step to make the card readable?

NOTE: the other CF card i have (an old/slow lexar that came with the 50D) works/reads just fine and allowed me to install ML 2.3.  haven't bothered to try to install the raw modules/autoexec.bin files on a card this slow.

Does your camera read it? Format the KomputerBay card in camera.  Press canon menu button and scroll to third option you should see it.  If that don't work than your CF card might be bad, or your card reader might not be working.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eattheblinds on June 05, 2013, 02:32:50 AM
Does your camera read it? Format the KomputerBay card in camera.  Press canon menu button and scroll to third option you should see it.  If that don't work than your CF card might be bad, or your card reader might not be working.

yes, my camera reads the card and i'm able to format it in the camera.  but when i plug the card/card reader into my mbp...nothing.  even when i look into the system profiler there's no card. when i look on disk utility, again...no card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 02:58:09 AM
There might be something wrong with your card reader than, if the camera reads it it should load on your mbp..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eattheblinds on June 05, 2013, 03:05:30 AM
There might be something wrong with your card reader than, if the camera reads it it should load on your mbp..

i guess there's only one way to find out.  i've got a usb 3.0 card reader being shipped.  this doesn't appease an impatient man itching to shoot raw video.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 03:36:43 AM
I feel you that's how I was waiting for my 50D and card to come in.  You gotta have a friend that have a spare CF card reader give them a call that's the oldest trick in the book. 
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 05, 2013, 04:04:10 AM
It seems to work for me already?

I accidentally recorded a file over 4gb yesterday, and I ended up with .raw and .r00

Then just recombined the files (in this case dv.raw and dv.r00) in Dos prompt with the command:

Copy/b dv.raw+dv.r00 output.raw

to end up with output.raw file which was over the 4gb limit.

Then I could output all of the files to DNG fine.

Wha?! I must of missed those developments, I tried joining on mac osx using unix command cat file1.raw file1.r00 > output.raw but raw2dng didn't recognize it.  :-\

I'll try booting into my windows partition and using DOS. Thanks Roman. If anyone has done it successfully on terminal I'd appreciate knowing that method as well.
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: artiswar on June 05, 2013, 04:48:37 AM
Wha?! I must of missed those developments, I tried joining on mac osx using unix command cat file1.raw file1.r00 > output.raw but raw2dng didn't recognize it.  :-\

I'll try booting into my windows partition and using DOS. Thanks Roman. If anyone has done it successfully on terminal I'd appreciate knowing that method as well.

I think RAW2DNG not recognizing it is due to an error in the footer. Fix the joined file in a hex editor (apparently) and it will read. Too busy with gigs but will test soon.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: wesleydumont on June 05, 2013, 04:58:53 AM
ExpSim has only 3 values: off, on or movie. Canon movie mode on 50D is fully automatic, no manual controls.
Can you explain this for me? Does this mean that in all modes for 50D ML, there are no manual controls? Sorry if my newness is causing unecessary time to answer questions. thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 05, 2013, 05:06:42 AM
Does this mean that in all modes for 50D ML, there are no manual controls?

No, but that's what I initially thought as I had the settings wrong...

When you are shooting a regular H264 movie with the 50D, there are no manual controls.

When you are shooting a raw video however, you dont even need to be in movie mode... it can sample the frames from the live view screen in photo mode.

So you can set the exposure time and ISO etc as you would for a picture (with exposure compensation turned on) and it operates as per the settings you've put in there.

However I've noticed that if I choose an exposure of say 1/10th of a second when I'm recording at 24fps, it still brightens the screen towards that... which it shouldnt, I dont know what it does to the raw file when you do this.
So just be mindful of setting the exposure length to some amount below the indicated frame rate.

I'm not sure how fps override affects the indicated exposure length though, whether it's accurate for 30fps only.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 05, 2013, 05:21:53 AM
Tried deleting files in camera - some I could delete but then "no images to display" came up but top LCD said card had only 2 remaining shots. 32 GB Sandisk extreme. Just wanted to make some space for more shooting but failed. Tried to record anyway and would let me get a few frames before it cut out. Got home and it was full CF. Also tried deleting in Canons menu, first time round I was in ML, hitting play, to select, then trash to delete.

Q's:
1: Can you review, not play but just delete in camera with files actually being deleted not just hidden?
2: Is this a known issue or have I got a setting checked /unchecked somewhere?


- don't think I've read it anywhere in this thread, forgive me if it is in here though, just so much data been written into my brain right now I may be the one with dropped frames etc!

Thanks for any input.   :)

Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 05, 2013, 06:38:05 AM
I think RAW2DNG not recognizing it is due to an error in the footer. Fix the joined file in a hex editor (apparently) and it will read. Too busy with gigs but will test soon.

Does the footer needs to be done on the windows side of things aswell? In bootcamp I joined the files successfully and extracted them to DNG, but all files post spanning (contained in the .r00 file) are corrupted. They're a garbly mess of colors and noise.

Roman, you said you did it successfully, were there any corrupted frames when you extracted to DNG?

Btw I'm using the may28th build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 05, 2013, 08:26:28 AM
Turn optimize for -> exact fps on in FPS Override Menu.
Thanks man. Solved it!!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Fioritura on June 05, 2013, 09:29:37 AM
Hi eattheblinds,

and here's my first noob question: i'm trying to put the ML files onto my komputerbay 64gb CF and for some reason i can't even get my macbook pro to read the card.  tried the same card on my gf's mbp and it won't read it either.  is this a dead card or am i missing a step to make the card readable?

NOTE: the other CF card i have (an old/slow lexar that came with the 50D) works/reads just fine and allowed me to install ML 2.3.  haven't bothered to try to install the raw modules/autoexec.bin files on a card this slow.

I had the same problem: the FAT32 filesystem of the 64 GB (KomputerBay 600x) not being accessible via a Transcend USB 3 CF card reader--but through an old Microtrack (at abyssmal "speed"). Possibly it's the size! Trying a 32 GB card soon. Let's see if that solves the issue.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Fioritura on June 05, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
Hi Roman,

When you are shooting a regular H264 movie with the 50D, there are no manual controls.

it does not seem to be so for me. I can set ISO, aperture & fps just fine.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 05, 2013, 09:57:05 AM
ML has manual controls with expo override (see the help).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 05, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
ML has manual controls with expo override (see the help).

In ML we TRUST   ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 05, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
When I open the DNG´s in ACR, I see the images way out of the WB and tint I suppose to shot. Although it is easy to fix in ACR, I was wondering if it is possible to keep the WB values I choose while shooting?. The 5D2, that I also use, do not show that weird tint when imported in ACR. Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 05, 2013, 01:00:28 PM
Feel free to implement all those matrix multiplications for proper WB info (just look at dcraw/ufraw code)

;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 05, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
the basic CAM_COLORMATRIX values are and have been same as those in ufraw-0.19.2 for some time.
if these are inaccurate, correcting them should also be done in ufraw.

does any one else perceive the white balance values changing from camera settings during a shot -
particularly on shots with camera movement (or scene change) from bright to dark?





Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 05, 2013, 01:20:50 PM
That matrix (and others) should be used when converting from kelvin to RGB multipliers. See Temperature_to_RGB from ufraw source code - if you can port that, plug the kelvin value and get the multipliers. No idea about green/magenta shift though.

Quote
does any one else perceive the white balance values changing from camera settings during a shot -
particularly on shots with camera movement (or scene change) from bright to dark?

I don't remember any confirmation for fixing black level and skip offsets. Did you post the silent pic DNG I've asked for a while ago?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 05, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
My first 1920 x 1080 test on line.

Shot at 1576 x 880. 24 fps. 0.9 bit rate. Canon 50mm F/1.8. Sandisk Extreme 32GB 60Mb/s.
raw2dng>AE: scaled and light grade. 16 bit. scaled by 122% to 1920x1080> exported as ProRes 422HQ>FCP7 Light grade / cut.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 05, 2013, 02:12:07 PM
My first 1920 x 1080 test on line.

Shot at 1576 x 880. 24 fps. 0.9 bit rate. Canon 50mm F/1.8. Sandisk Extreme 32GB 60Mb/s.
raw2dng>AE: scaled and light grade. 16 bit. scaled by 122% to 1920x1080> exported as ProRes 422HQ>FCP7 Light grade / cut.
How many frames did you get before skipping?

Btw, looks very 16mm ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: closetoheaven on June 05, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
Hey guys,

I received my Komputerbay 32GB 1000x card today. Now, everything runs stable. It records until the card is full. Except for some times, when the buffer was filled just after 1 second. No idea what the reason for that may be.
The problems I am facing right now are on a post production site.
1. I have the impression that raw2dng.exe is not able to convert files bigger than 2GB. Can anybody confirm that? Is there a way to get around this? Any alternatives to this program?
2. I can record over 4GB without a problem. The problem however is, that the files are packed into a .WINrar file, which I can not access for whatever reason. Any solutions for that?

Another thing: Who do I have to contact in order to donate ML?

Best regards!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 05, 2013, 02:48:57 PM
It's not a winrar file - It's just that R00 R01 etc are also file extensions that spanned .RAR files use.

In this case instead its first .raw, then .r00, then .r01, etc.

Basically you need to merge the files back into one, using a dos command or similar in before you can decode them to dng files.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: closetoheaven on June 05, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
Thanks for your reply! Can you give instructions on how to do that?

Do you have a way to convert .raw files with a file size bigger than 2GB?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 05, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
I don't remember any confirmation for fixing black level and skip offsets. Did you post the silent pic DNG I've asked for a while ago?
mentioned on another thread - have Silent Pics and took 2 DNGs after setting skips to 0 - one default, one zoom mode.
inserted measured skip values into src/raw.c now in unified branch.
tested zoom and regular video no longer have wild black point (fixable in gimp or RPP).
zoom mode test video -
( ufraw-batch -a ) color slightly magenta - roses were a little less pink to my eye.

i see some cameras have different skip values for mv1080 and mv720 - which i don't think apply to 50D.

is there value in testing this further -
zoom at different aspect ratios?
zoom with box top left vs. center (wonder about this because of some comments on color changes when using raw panning)?

please let us know how much additional testing should be done and i will send a zero skip build to some of the experienced testers.
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: menoc on June 05, 2013, 04:01:10 PM
Does the footer needs to be done on the windows side of things aswell? In bootcamp I joined the files successfully and extracted them to DNG, but all files post spanning (contained in the .r00 file) are corrupted. They're a garbly mess of colors and noise.

Roman, you said you did it successfully, were there any corrupted frames when you extracted to DNG?

Btw I'm using the may28th build.

I successfully joined the spanned files. My findings are that the first file (the one with the .RAW extension) is NOT corrupt and the DNGs look good, but the DNGs in the next file start to corrupt. My guess is that at some point after ML writes the first spanned file, either the next file in the sequence is not written correctly, or the DNG's code is not written correctly. I also tried adding the footer to the second file in the sequence and renaming it with the .RAW extension. raw2dng recognizes it and it extracts all the DNGs properly but they all look corrupt as in the second example below. This leads me to believe that there is something in the code to write the DNG that is causing the corruption. Here's an example of the DNGs:

Here's a link to the original DNGs:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bg9wu6ykuprui77/001715.dng (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bg9wu6ykuprui77/001715.dng)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6gyg4hvsbqeicwf/001716.dng (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6gyg4hvsbqeicwf/001716.dng)


This is the last DNG in the first file in the file spanning sequence (M04-1458.RAW):

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2Faciw00i4.jpg&hash=d9a6b4f875a5b4c183263bbea557da5c)

This is the first DNG in the second file in the file spanning sequence (M04-1458.R00):

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabrJLJRM.jpg&hash=a1d96c45580d3fc1f422446fb97c7b6d)

Here's what the header of the good DNG looks like:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2Fabvm4PEy.png&hash=45bb9ea020b6db64ceba735c67b0fe8d)

And here's the header of the corrupt DNG:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FabtiPQqR.png&hash=138066733079279d38c3ce99205ab37d)


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 05, 2013, 04:11:45 PM
Known issue that needs to be fixed...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 05, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
@menoc and @savale spanning is much better on later builds - though i still do see frames like the posted example
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 05, 2013, 04:36:26 PM
@menoc and @savale spanning is much better on later builds - though i still do see frames like the posted example

Do tell . . . Is there a better build than the May 28th for the 50D?

 . . . I guess not for the 50D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: muddmanrich on June 05, 2013, 04:41:11 PM
Been a lurker on this thread for a while but I've just received my 50d + Transcend 32gb 1000x card today and would love to help with testing once I get everything up and running.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 05, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
ExpSim has only 3 values: off, on or movie. Canon movie mode on 50D is fully automatic, no manual controls.

on 50D, doesn't Exp. Override permit manual operation, per the 2.3 user guide - http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/userguide#exposure-override ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 05, 2013, 06:29:01 PM
on 50D, doesn't Exp. Override permit manual operation, per the 2.3 user guide - http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/userguide#exposure-override ?

Yes we have manual controls Exp. Override permits that.  I found that out last night after playing around with the camera.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 05, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
It would be really perfect to get spanning to work.

Finally a test:


Some flicker from ACR Process 2012 but will switch to 2010 to alleviate the issue.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: mva on June 05, 2013, 06:59:20 PM
I've been lurking here for a while. (At the moment still not a 50D owner.) I want to say, that's some really nice footage, Artiswar! What resolution(s) did you use?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 05, 2013, 07:24:47 PM
I've been lurking here for a while. (At the moment still not a 50D owner.) I want to say, that's some really nice footage, Artiswar! What resolution(s) did you use?

That was all the maximum 16:9 resolution so 1592 x 896. Upscales to 1080p, log look applied in ACR and a quick grade in Premiere. I think the secret to the sharpness I achieved was the Zeiss glass.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eattheblinds on June 05, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Hi eattheblinds,

I had the same problem: the FAT32 filesystem of the 64 GB (KomputerBay 600x) not being accessible via a Transcend USB 3 CF card reader--but through an old Microtrack (at abyssmal "speed"). Possibly it's the size! Trying a 32 GB card soon. Let's see if that solves the issue.

hmmm...i'm using a cheap-o bower usb2.0 reader i bought in chinatown.  i expected it to be the culprit so i bought a USB3.0 off newegg and it should arrive soon.  i wonder if i'll have better luck or if this is a more persistent problem.

komputerbay is getting back to me with tech support.  fingers crossed there's a solution i'll be able to share.
Title: Re: How to - RAW on 50D
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 05, 2013, 07:52:25 PM
I successfully joined the spanned files. My findings are that the first file (the one with the .RAW extension) is NOT corrupt and the DNGs look good, but the DNGs in the next file start to corrupt. My guess is that at some point after ML writes the first spanned file, either the next file in the sequence is not written correctly, or the DNG's code is not written correctly.

Same exact thing I was seeing with my frames, thanks for the confirmation.

@menoc and @savale spanning is much better on later builds - though i still do see frames like the posted example

Good to hear there's progress being made though. Thanks for the work you're doing.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: djfremen on June 05, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Can anyone confirm if they've broke the hard limit of 60 MB/s with the 50D?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Cumulus on June 05, 2013, 09:08:29 PM
Hello all,
First, THANK YOU to all the devs making this work! :D
I made a comparison video to show the difference between raw and h.264 on the 50D. I wanted to see how far both formats could be pushed. I started by grading the raw, then graded the h264 to match. I was surprised by some of the results!

Workflow:
Raw clips turned to .dng sequences with RAWanizer, then imported into After Effects (which prompts Adobe Camera Raw. Interpret footage: 24p. (Note: if you want to retune raw, Interpret Footage, More Options to relaunch ACR.)
Sequences dropped into AE comp, exported to QT Uncompressed 10 bit 422. (This took 2 hours for an 11 minute sequence, but edited smoothly in Premiere.)
Then edit in Premiere, where the h.264 clips were graded to match. Shadow/Highlight is causing most of the breakup you'll see. A very twitchy effect sometimes.

h.264:
1920X1080
Profile: Faithful
Graded with Premiere CS6:
-Three Way Color
-Shadow/Highlight
-Sharpen
No noise reduction
Cropped to 2.35:1

RAW:
1440x612 (2.35:1)
Graded in
Adobe Camera Raw
with Noise Reduction
Upscaled in Premiere

Note: I was limited to 1440x612 in Raw mode (which is 2.35:1, 35MB/s at 24p) because of the limitations of my CF card- a Lexar 32GB 800x. I now have a Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card which is capable of handling the 50D's current maximum resolution in RAW: 1592x896 (16:9, 57MB/s at 24p).

VIDEO HERE

Thank you again, everyone! I'm so grateful for this new format! And I love this forum. So many good people and great information! :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: johansugarev on June 05, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
Not a raw question, but how would you shoot a music video with the 50D? I would love an easy way to record scratch audio.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 05, 2013, 09:43:14 PM
Not a raw question, but how would you shoot a music video with the 50D? I would love an easy way to record scratch audio.

ALL audio with the 50D has to be done externally. You may have to slate. Many options out there . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 05, 2013, 10:06:07 PM
have sent out the following email to a dozen registered testers
hi 50D testers,
per a1ex request, we need to confirm the black borders on DNGs generated in Silent Pics mode.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg46436#msg46436

i have made a special build to do this - it's not intended for general shooting and most .raw files will have the black borders and crazy colors.
it is to put the camera in Silent Picture mode, take single silent pictures, and get the exact pixel count of any black borders.
this build has set the borders to 0 - hence the name  NULL-05June13

if you haven't loaded new builds onto an existing card before, be careful, format it first and delete the ML config file.
not all of us need to do this, so whoever has time tonight should give it a go and report results on the forum.

the values that look correct to me are:
default image size -
top 26
left 74
right 0
bottom 0

in 5x zoom mode
top 0
left 74
right 0
bottom 0

please shoot some Silent DNGs and report back  any discrepancies.

it may be helpful to confirm that nothing changes in the other cases:
- try 10x zoom
- move the zoom box to various positions top,left, center, bottom right  (didn't JulianH report that thee borders changed when he did a raw video pan?).
- turn on raw_rec and try at various aspect ratios - i'm not even sure this will give images of different resolutions, if it does check for black borders.

the code assumes that these values are always the same, so if they are not there will be black borders.
this build may be slower that 28May13
file spanning will work.
.raw files will all have the black border issue.
weird things may happen with HDMI.

please refer back to forum post and provide credit in any public video.

regards,

mentioned on another thread - have Silent Pics and took 2 DNGs after setting skips to 0 - one default, one zoom mode.
inserted measured skip values into src/raw.c now in unified branch.
tested zoom and regular video no longer have wild black point (fixable in gimp or RPP).
zoom mode test video -
( ufraw-batch -a ) color slightly magenta - roses were a little less pink to my eye.

i see some cameras have different skip values for mv1080 and mv720 - which i don't think apply to 50D.

is there value in testing this further -
zoom at different aspect ratios?
zoom with box top left vs. center (wonder about this because of some comments on color changes when using raw panning)?

please let us know how much additional testing should be done and i will send a zero skip build to some of the experienced testers.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Rolfe Klement on June 05, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
Complete noob question. I have posted a HOW to 50D  draft guide before but need help on this one section
 
"ML has manual controls with expo override (see the help)."
 
I cannot get this to work. I get a message saying cannot lock the aperture. All my test videos prove this. I want to lock the camera to ISO 160, F4 and 24fps. I get weird exposure and colour shifts -  this might be a bug issue. can do the FPS override using the exact FPS so that works - but not the other bits. I have EXP lock set to AV, 150
EXPO - PRESETS OFF
Expo override ON
Camera in M mode
 
Can someone explain step by step how this should be done. I am probably doing something silly  8)
 
thanks a mill!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on June 05, 2013, 10:26:35 PM
yes, my camera reads the card and i'm able to format it in the camera.  but when i plug the card/card reader into my mbp...nothing.  even when i look into the system profiler there's no card. when i look on disk utility, again...no card.

And if you plug the camera to your mbp with a usb cable?

I'm just thinking out loud....
Could it be possible to use the raw in dxo?
I got it with the film pack, i don't know if it could render that many image at the same time ?
But a movie developed like a polaroid or velvia would be, like sh*t :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 05, 2013, 11:04:39 PM
Has anybody experience better performance with the Canon setting: silent mode1 for live view shooting?. I feel it faster, maybe not much, do not know if it could alter performance (¿¿¿). One of the advantages of this setting is that you can put safely PL mount lenses, and this option for the 50D RAW could be super cool.
 
UPDATE: Don´t try it. Crash when recording (in mode 2)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 05, 2013, 11:18:18 PM
How many frames did you get before skipping?

Btw, looks very 16mm ;)

Thanks!

Don't think I got over about 192 frames before buffer got full. The card is too slow- but just wanted to play with this resolution.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on June 05, 2013, 11:25:27 PM
Finally I have my CF card (KomputerBay 64 GB 1000x). I loaded ML for the first time ("Success! BOOTDISK flag is enabled" etc). Going into the M menu I highlight "Load modules now..." but I can't load anything. Pressing the Set button doesn't do anything, so I can't load the Smeangol module. Any ideas what's gone wrong? Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 05, 2013, 11:55:37 PM
Finally I have my CF card (KomputerBay 64 GB 1000x). I loaded ML for the first time ("Success! BOOTDISK flag is enabled" etc). Going into the M menu I highlight "Load modules now..." but I can't load anything. Pressing the Set button doesn't do anything, so I can't load the Smeangol module. Any ideas what's gone wrong? Thanks.

Is your Camera in M mode? . . . Did you turn LiveView ON? . . . Did you add the Modules directory to the ML directory? . . . Did you make the card scriptable?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 06, 2013, 12:12:41 AM
Finally I have my CF card (KomputerBay 64 GB 1000x). I loaded ML for the first time ("Success! BOOTDISK flag is enabled" etc). Going into the M menu I highlight "Load modules now..." but I can't load anything. Pressing the Set button doesn't do anything, so I can't load the Smeangol module. Any ideas what's gone wrong? Thanks.
Use the 28May build by Gregory. It is linked in the first post of the topic!
You have to scroll down in the movie tab to enable raw shooting (after loading the modules).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 06, 2013, 12:50:50 AM
I'm happy to see the progress being made - some nice footage being posted.  I'm still trailing behind with a 1000x komputerbay 64gb card that won't seem to run at more than about 45mb/s -- meaning that 1280x720 is the best I can capture with no frame drops.
I'm running the 5/28 build -- and I think I've done all the things I see you all doing to smooth performance:
- FPS override for 24fps (optimize for exact)
-Global Draw on for LiveView
- Hacked Mode ON

While I don't expect things to be the same as the 5dm3 envt - that same card runs at 75+mb/s in that camera raw.

Am I right to be thinking that others with the same card are getting continuous capture at 1592x896? (or maybe you are dropping frames and just posting short shots that worked?)
Thanks for any tips

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on June 06, 2013, 01:04:53 AM
Thanks for the quick replies.

Menoc: was the camera in M mode -- yes. In live view -- yes. Added the modules to the ML folder -- yes (the Smeangol modules). Did I make the card scriptable -- no. Please tell me how to do that.

JulianH: Use the 28may build by Gregory -- yes, that is the one I'm using (50-2013May28build.zip). Scroll down the movie tab to enable raw shooting -- yes, because I can't load the modules, they are not yet listed in the movie tab.

I made an empty "scripts" folder within the ML folder as it was mentioned this stops the warning about no scripts. Would that make a difference?

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 06, 2013, 01:07:37 AM
I'm happy to see the progress being made - some nice footage being posted.  I'm still trailing behind with a 1000x komputerbay 64gb card that won't seem to run at more than about 45mb/s -- meaning that 1280x720 is the best I can capture with no frame drops.
I'm running the 5/28 build -- and I think I've done all the things I see you all doing to smooth performance:
- FPS override for 24fps (optimize for exact)
-Global Draw on for LiveView
- Hacked Mode ON

While I don't expect things to be the same as the 5dm3 envt - that same card runs at 75+mb/s in that camera raw.

Am I right to be thinking that others with the same card are getting continuous capture at 1592x896? (or maybe you are dropping frames and just posting short shots that worked?)
Thanks for any tips


Set the following:

ISO:  100-200 (actually the ISO Does not matter so much use whatever ISO you need)
FPS override:  23.988 (Don't use 24 exact, use optimized for low light instead)

Canon Menus:

Set Qualiy to: JPEG Large Only - NO RAW

Settings in C.Fn II: Image

High ISO speed Noise Reduction:  Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer:  Disable
Highlight Tone Priority:  Disable
Long Exposure Noise Reduction:  OFF

Global Draw:  set it to "LiveView" (Turn off peaking and all other global draw settings)

RAW Video Settings:

Raw Video Resolution:  1600 (it will default to 1592)
Raw Video Ratio:  3:2 or 16:9
Sound:  OFF
Hacked Mode: ON

Shoot something for a while . . . . 1600 resolution & 16:9 ratio is the most stable.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 06, 2013, 01:11:54 AM
Thanks for the quick replies.

Menoc: was the camera in M mode -- yes. In live view -- yes. Added the modules to the ML folder -- yes (the Smeangol modules). Did I make the card scriptable -- no. Please tell me how to do that.

JulianH: Use the 28may build by Gregory -- yes, that is the one I'm using (50-2013May28build.zip). Scroll down the movie tab to enable raw shooting -- yes, because I can't load the modules, they are not yet listed in the movie tab.

I made an empty "scripts" folder within the ML folder as it was mentioned this stops the warning about no scripts. Would that make a difference?

Use EOSCard tool in Windows, or Macboot in OSX.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on June 06, 2013, 01:17:13 AM
As a matter of interest in the Debug menu I checked the shutter count, which says: "ok = 379+66". Can you tell me what that actually means as a shutter count (there are two figures). The seller said the camera was hardly used...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: TrueIndigo on June 06, 2013, 01:19:56 AM
Menoc: Use EOSCard tool -- does that mean starting from scratch: make the card scriptable and then copy ML across again?
Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 06, 2013, 01:23:58 AM
As a matter of interest in the Debug menu I checked the shutter count, which says: "ok = 379+66". Can you tell me what that actually means as a shutter count (there are two figures). The seller said the camera was hardly used...

Your shutter has been actuated about a little over 400 times.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 06, 2013, 01:24:18 AM
have sent out the following email to a dozen registered testers
hi 50D testers,
per a1ex request, we need to confirm the black borders on DNGs generated in Silent Pics mode.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg46436#msg46436

i have made a special build to do this - it's not intended for general shooting and most .raw files will have the black borders and crazy colors.
it is to put the camera in Silent Picture mode, take single silent pictures, and get the exact pixel count of any black borders.
this build has set the borders to 0 - hence the name  NULL-05June13

if you haven't loaded new builds onto an existing card before, be careful, format it first and delete the ML config file.
not all of us need to do this, so whoever has time tonight should give it a go and report results on the forum.

the values that look correct to me are:
default image size -
top 26
left 74
right 0
bottom 0

in 5x zoom mode
top 0
left 74
right 0
bottom 0

please shoot some Silent DNGs and report back  any discrepancies.

it may be helpful to confirm that nothing changes in the other cases:
- try 10x zoom
- move the zoom box to various positions top,left, center, bottom right  (didn't JulianH report that thee borders changed when he did a raw video pan?).
- turn on raw_rec and try at various aspect ratios - i'm not even sure this will give images of different resolutions, if it does check for black borders.

the code assumes that these values are always the same, so if they are not there will be black borders.
this build may be slower that 28May13
file spanning will work.
.raw files will all have the black border issue.
weird things may happen with HDMI.

please refer back to forum post and provide credit in any public video.

regards,

My results

Full sensor
Silent DNG: 1664x1084
Top 26
Left 74
Right 0
Bottom 0

5x zoom mode
Silent DNG: 2064x1106
Top 26
Left 64
Right 0
Buttom 0

Weird that we get different results here. But I suppose that has to do with the 2064 width I get for Silent DNG's in zoom mode. In Raw video mode 1920x1104 I get 26 black pixel rows on top, zero on the other sides.

10x zoom test
Silent DNG: Gives the same image and result as 5x, doesn't seem to change anything.

Other observations
Not sure if all relevant, but I'll notice them just in case.

Raw video speeds look the same to me as the 28May build. But my card is the bottleneck around 59Mb/s max (Sandisk 90MB/s 32GB).
Shoot_Malloc_total seems to have grown. It reports 219M, I thought it was max. 212M with the other build. Contig = 27M.

- try 10x zoom
Recording raw video in 10x zoom gives garbadged results, just funky lines. But it looks like it's actually doing something different than in 5x.

- move the zoom box to various positions top,left, center, bottom
right  (didn't JulianH report that thee borders changed when he did a
raw video pan?).

I don't think I reported this, didn't have this experience. Didn't test it with the 05June build yet.

- turn on raw_rec and try at various aspect ratios - i'm not even sure this will give images of different resolutions, if it does check for black borders.
It does give different resolutions. No surprise with the black borders here. With max image size it's the same as in silent DNG and when cropping down to other aspect ratios the black lines disappear (when they are cropped out by lower height).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 06, 2013, 01:30:07 AM
Menoc: Use EOSCard tool -- does that mean starting from scratch: make the card scriptable and then copy ML across again?
Many thanks for your help.

Making scriptable does not require starting over. Just insert the card check the option for scriptable and tell it to prepare the card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 06, 2013, 01:36:50 AM
Quote
Contig = 27M.

This is what is eating at your writes.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 06, 2013, 01:47:19 AM

Set the following:

ISO:  100-200 (actually the ISO Does not matter so much use whatever ISO you need)
FPS override:  23.988 (Don't use 24 exact, use optimized for low light instead)

Canon Menus:

Set Qualiy to: JPEG Large Only - NO RAW

Settings in C.Fn II: Image

High ISO speed Noise Reduction:  Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer:  Disable
Highlight Tone Priority:  Disable
Long Exposure Noise Reduction:  OFF

Global Draw:  set it to "LiveView" (Turn off peaking and all other global draw settings)

RAW Video Settings:

Raw Video Resolution:  1600
Raw Video Ratio:  3:2 or 16:9
Sound:  OFF
Hacked Mode: ON

Shoot something for a while . . . . 1600 resolution & 16:9 ratio is the most stable.

Thanks for the notes - I've done every single thing quite carefully -- and the card tops out at about 44mb/sec -- and drops frames after about 300 with raw resolution set at 1600.

For the komputerbay 1000x  64 GB card, what write rates are others seeing using those settings?   I had a second of that same card which performed exactly the same.  I guess i could have seen two dud cards - but I'm thinking it's something else that has me crawling where others are having better luck.... many thanks for the group's patience and tips...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 06, 2013, 01:52:20 AM
Thanks for the notes - I've done every single thing quite carefully -- and the card tops out at about 44mb/sec -- and drops frames after about 300 with raw resolution set at 1600.

For the komputerbay 1000x  64 GB card, what write rates are others seeing using those settings?   I had a second of that same card which performed exactly the same.  I guess i could have seen two dud cards - but I'm thinking it's something else that has me crawling where others are having better luck.... many thanks for the group's patience and tips...

Did you set the ratio to 16:9? . . . Otherwise, format and benchmark the card in Camera and post your results. I have the same card, here are my results. If yours do not look like these, then you have a dud :P:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacrP0LHK.jpg&hash=5560ea80408bc2863211f804842d9b8a)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 06, 2013, 02:24:35 AM
@menoc   - Here's something odd, but good, that happened...when I formatted the card in the camera for this run of the tests (even though I'd done that before) -- for some reason the performance numbers jumped from the 30s and 40s to this higher range.  It looks more like your card.
NOW when shooting raw, I'm seeing write speeds in the range of 48-55mb/s  (not 35 or so, like before).  At the raw resolution of 1600 I can get maybe 800+ frames before dropping - lots better than before, but still not continuous.
Are you able to shoot at 1600 with no dropped frames?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg259.imageshack.us%2Fimg259%2F3345%2Ftestkx.png&hash=ee6e61b77f3b65ad53744d7118d8dddc)

Thanks again for the help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 03:36:08 AM
My komputerbay 1000x 64GB card is getting consistant 57 MB/s (no max-out) which is great for 1592 x 896, but it does worry me that it won't be enough for 1920 x 1080 if / when that happens.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 06, 2013, 04:19:51 AM
Did you set the ratio to 16:9? . . . Otherwise, format and benchmark the card in Camera and post your results. I have the same card, here are my results. If yours do not look like these, then you have a dud :P:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgbox.com%2FacrP0LHK.jpg&hash=5560ea80408bc2863211f804842d9b8a)

You have something set in your camera. Can you post your melloc?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 06, 2013, 05:06:37 AM

Set the following:

ISO:  100-200 (actually the ISO Does not matter so much use whatever ISO you need)
FPS override:  23.988 (Don't use 24 exact, use optimized for low light instead)

Canon Menus:

Set Qualiy to: JPEG Large Only - NO RAW

Settings in C.Fn II: Image

High ISO speed Noise Reduction:  Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer:  Disable
Highlight Tone Priority:  Disable
Long Exposure Noise Reduction:  OFF

Global Draw:  set it to "LiveView" (Turn off peaking and all other global draw settings)

RAW Video Settings:

Raw Video Resolution:  1600 (it will default to 1592)
Raw Video Ratio:  3:2 or 16:9
Sound:  OFF
Hacked Mode: ON

Shoot something for a while . . . . 1600 resolution & 16:9 ratio is the most stable.

If I shoot at 23.988 (optimize for low light) my camera randomly drops to 22fps while recording.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 06, 2013, 05:31:56 AM
@JulianH - thanks for being so quick to report back key results.

My results

Full sensor
Silent DNG: 1664x1084
Top 26
Left 74
Right 0
Bottom 0

5x zoom mode
Silent DNG: 2064x1106
Top 26
Left 64
Right 0
Buttom 0

Weird that we get different results here. But I suppose that has to do with the 2064 width I get for Silent DNG's in zoom mode. In Raw video mode 1920x1104 I get 26 black pixel rows on top, zero on the other sides.

i agree - typo in my post for skip left in zoom mode - tests on Sunday matched this.
1664x1084 - (74x26) and
 2064x1106 - (64x26)

Quote
10x zoom test
Silent DNG: Gives the same image and result as 5x, doesn't seem to change anything.

Other observations
Not sure if all relevant, but I'll notice them just in case.

Raw video speeds look the same to me as the 28May build. But my card is the bottleneck around 59Mb/s max (Sandisk 90MB/s 32GB).
Shoot_Malloc_total seems to have grown. It reports 219M, I thought it was max. 212M with the other build. Contig = 27M.
bloat and now contig = 27M will kill speed

Quote
- try 10x zoom
Recording raw video in 10x zoom gives garbadged results, just funky lines. But it looks like it's actually doing something different than in 5x.

- move the zoom box to various positions top,left, center, bottom
right  (didn't JulianH report that thee borders changed when he did a
raw video pan?).

I don't think I reported this, didn't have this experience. Didn't test it with the 05June build yet.

- turn on raw_rec and try at various aspect ratios - i'm not even sure this will give images of different resolutions, if it does check for black borders.
It does give different resolutions. No surprise with the black borders here. With max image size it's the same as in silent DNG and when cropping down to other aspect ratios the black lines disappear (when they are cropped out by lower height).
not sure if we are talking about the same thing here - i mean only borders on the Silent Pics
when i shoot Silent Pics with raw_rec module enabled and various aspect ratios, all Silent Pic DNGs are 2064x1106

any other official testers take a crack at the NULL build to measure Silent Pic borders?

for anyone else, don't worry about this - Silent Pics (from the Shoot Menu) will be coming soon.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 06:31:29 AM
I'll try it when I get home, and report back.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 08:17:16 AM
How can I access the zoom mode on the 50D? Is this part of the May 28th build? Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 08:33:15 AM
You just press the normal liveview zoom button, Same as zoom for normal live view without ML.

It's near where your right thumb is, top right hand side of the camera.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: madmats on June 06, 2013, 08:48:44 AM
Can anyone confirm if they've broke the hard limit of 60 MB/s with the 50D?

My Lexxar 1000x 32GB card peaks at 63 mb/s, but runs stable at 59 mb/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 08:58:16 AM
Nah, for me writing is at 57/58mb/s max while recording.

Higher in read/write tests, but there's a bottlneck elsewhere currently by the looks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 09:02:47 AM
Max 57/58 here. KomputerBay 32 / 64 1000x
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 06, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
(Note: if you want to retune raw, Interpret Footage, More Options to relaunch ACR.)

Thanks for that tip   ;)   

The 2 batteries I got with my 50D have gone from holding charge for 10 mins to zero. New battery turned up today from TradeMe (NZ) seller: "realwholesale": clearly advertised as 50D bat. Shame its is 3 times the size of the 50D battery!  Back to waiting by the post box.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: riccardocovino on June 06, 2013, 10:22:58 AM
Max 57/58 here. KomputerBay 32 / 64 1000x

so a Komputerbay 600x UDMA6 (min write speed 60) could be enough? It costs 1/3 than the 1000x!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
so a Komputerbay 600x UDMA6 (min write speed 60) could be enough? It costs 1/3 than the 1000x!

It could be! I'll try it and see, but its cutting it very close and there's no room for growth if they get 1080 going
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 06, 2013, 11:16:29 AM
so a Komputerbay 600x UDMA6 (min write speed 60) could be enough? It costs 1/3 than the 1000x!

I use Sandisk 60Mb/s and is fine for 1280 x 720, but only about 190 frames of 1576 x 880. But if it truly is MINIMUM of 60Mb/s.. maybe, but as paulforte says future proofing may be the way to go.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 06, 2013, 11:52:35 AM
You have something set in your camera. Can you post your melloc?

malloc is 153K

Thanks again for the ongoing problem-solving help -- it'd be great to get to the bottom of this. 

Best
D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 06, 2013, 11:59:56 AM
so a Komputerbay 600x UDMA6 (min write speed 60) could be enough? It costs 1/3 than the 1000x!

according this benchmark it will work...

http://www-cameraextensionpole.blogspot.nl/2013/05/komputerbay-64gb-professional-compact.html
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Chris50d on June 06, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
Guys, im getting considerably faster speeds by using an external monitor :) try it.. the buffer doesnt fill no where near like it used to when not using an external monitor.... got a 9mb/s speed improvement and a non filling buffer :P this was tested with a sandisk 60mbs max constant speed was 45mb otherwise would be 36 mbs

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg32.imageshack.us%2Fimg32%2F193%2Fwp000071u.jpg&hash=7fb16cac01ba076d20ecb33c9a4b1693)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 02:03:22 PM
Not for me...

When going to external monitor at a higher resolution than my card can allow for, I get 224 frames with external monitor vs 337 frames without.

Without it I'm getting max of 60.1 / 60.2mbps, when I plug in the HDMI cable I get 54-55mb/s. I tested a few times to be sure.

In saying this, I might have different camera settings to you currently.

Can you please give full details like: photo mode or video mode, live view on/off, fps you are recording at, raw or jpg setting, etc etc?

If you can tell me the exact settings, I'll try to repeat my test using those too.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: kretynjakchuj on June 06, 2013, 02:15:48 PM
Stupid question but how do you record? I set this raw_rec module on and after that it says to press livescreen button to start. But when I hit it, nothing happens. Sorry for this noob question
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 06, 2013, 02:32:00 PM
Stupid question but how do you record? I set this raw_rec module on and after that it says to press livescreen button to start. But when I hit it, nothing happens. Sorry for this noob question

Did you also go to the camera menu and select/enable Raw recording?  The default is OFF.  After loading the module you have to further turn on Raw in the other menu.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 02:49:50 PM
Perhaps the difference is that it turns global draw on or off when you've plugged in the monitor?

If I have HDMI plugged in and global draw off, I get 50mbs

If I unplug HDMI, I get 54-55

If I turn global draw on, I'm banging on 60-61.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 06, 2013, 04:42:16 PM
Perhaps the difference is that it turns global draw on or off when you've plugged in the monitor?

If I have HDMI plugged in and global draw off, I get 50mbs

If I unplug HDMI, I get 54-55

If I turn global draw on, I'm banging on 60-61.

Guy's I don't know I'm getting upwards of 63 - 64mb/s on my Komputerbay 64gb 1000X card
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 06, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
Although my card (Transcend 16Gb 1000x) performs pretty similar in the benchmark i get ~47 MB/s while Recording RAW. I dont get this. I tested soo many settings and none of them are leading to any performance increase
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 06, 2013, 04:57:26 PM
Wanna see something odd?
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos-5.dropbox.com%2Ft%2F0%2FAABECPhUBEnQTl6R4na1BGzQQqcYuZlR3NlGirXK0BAvow%2F12%2F2427776%2Fjpeg%2F32x32%2F3%2F_%2F1%2F2%2F20130606_165222.jpg%2FlcNEuQvf2KkAAMTEr0HJERmzB2cFUL9kDQCJes_1fIo%3Fsize%3D1600x1200&hash=a3b39605a94cbeec97c696e28dd8a4f7)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 06, 2013, 04:58:59 PM
YEa
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 06, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
When shooting 1592x896 @ 25fps I get 59mb/s pretty constantly with my Komputerbay 64gb 1000X card

Global draw on, HDMI unplugged.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 06, 2013, 05:17:29 PM
Quote
Although my card (Transcend 16Gb 1000x) performs pretty similar in the benchmark i get ~47 MB/s while Recording RAW. I dont get this. I tested soo many settings and none of them are leading to any performance increase

It's rated faster than mine, maybe you have something still turned on in one of the menus?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 06, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
Guy's I don't know I'm getting upwards of 63 - 64mb/s on my Komputerbay 64gb 1000X card

mmm!!!!.......I guess it is all related on how lucky you are to get right CF card from Komputerbay
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 06, 2013, 05:34:03 PM
When shooting 1592x896 @ 25fps I get 59mb/s pretty constantly with my Komputerbay 64gb 1000X card

Global draw on, HDMI unplugged.

I'm getting the same results and @ times even higher..  I think it's all about the settings & in camera formatting plays a big part of it also. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 06, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
mmm!!!!.......I guess it is all related on how lucky you are to get right CF card from Komputerbay

To tell you the truth don't think it's the card, cause those cards are capable of handling way more write speeds than 60mb/s it should be no problem for those cards.  Have to set your camera the right way as far as settings goes. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: eattheblinds on June 06, 2013, 05:48:23 PM
regarding issues i'm having getting my komputerbay card to read on my mac:

Komputerbay Tech Support
4:15 AM (4 hours ago)

to me
 
Hello,
 
The card is possibly corrupted.
 
From what we know the 50D is limited to FAT32 but your Mac is not. (your Mac possibly tried to read the card as exFAT instead of FAT32 seeing that it is a 64GB card - lot of customers have done this.)
 
It can be uncorrupted using a PC using SD Formatter's free software to format the cards. The Mac version has some bugs and as such we donot recommend it.
 
Also - we do not know if the bower USB2.0 CF Reader #CRCF is compatibnle with UDMA 7 cards.
 
Have you tried any formatting apps on your Mac?
 
Thank You
Tech Support
CS
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: kretynjakchuj on June 06, 2013, 05:56:01 PM
Did you also go to the camera menu and select/enable Raw recording?  The default is OFF.  After loading the module you have to further turn on Raw in the other menu.

Yes I enabled it nad it shows that it's on. Could tell me how do you record it? Maybe, I'm doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 06, 2013, 06:08:52 PM
Once the raw video mode is enabled, you can close out of the window and press the live view button. Then press it again to start recording, press it again to stop.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: kretynjakchuj on June 06, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
Once the raw video mode is enabled, you can close out of the window and press the live view button. Then press it again to start recording, press it again to stop.

It works, thank you! Jesus, I feel so ashamed...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
Here's a video I shot yesterday, walking about my neighborhood - https://vimeo.com/67793246 (https://vimeo.com/67793246) - I used Lightroom for most of the grade, in that I exported a few presets into ACR and then used ACR.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 06, 2013, 06:52:55 PM
Here's a video I shot yesterday, walking about my neighborhood - https://vimeo.com/67793246 (https://vimeo.com/67793246) - I used Lightroom for most of the grade, in that I exported a few presets into ACR and then used ACR.

Nice film look! Now get some stabilizer :) By the way I'm sorry, I had plans to join developing, but things changed a little here so I have little time :(
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
Now get some stabilizer :)

I know, I know  ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 06, 2013, 07:13:08 PM
Just got my 50d with grip. I've been trying with some Sandisk Extreme IV 4GB card. On full res I get 98frames with global dram off and 109 frames with global draw on. Around 300-400 on 720p.

Zoom mode looks pretty bad, but I think that's the cameras limitation.
Has onyone tried out a 600x Komputerbay card? If anyone has and gets continuos rec on 1:1 I will go for that one.

Thanks to all of you who made this possible, I'm having a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: briwil on June 06, 2013, 07:29:04 PM
Here's a video I shot yesterday, walking about my neighborhood - https://vimeo.com/67793246 (https://vimeo.com/67793246) - I used Lightroom for most of the grade, in that I exported a few presets into ACR and then used ACR.

I like this a lot.
Nice work!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 06, 2013, 07:43:38 PM
Has onyone tried out a 600x Komputerbay card?

I have one on its way. Will report back.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 06, 2013, 07:46:19 PM
Here's a video I shot yesterday, walking about my neighborhood - https://vimeo.com/67793246 (https://vimeo.com/67793246) - I used Lightroom for most of the grade, in that I exported a few presets into ACR and then used ACR.

Very nice video like the look a lot..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 06, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
By the way I could get my hands on the new STM 18-55 IS lens. (for just 60 euro) It's actually really nice for filming. It's really sharp for a zoom lens and the  manual focus is really smooth. I have some extra m42 mount lenses to get a shalow dof when needed, but they lack real wide angle and IS.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AaronL on June 06, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
So I did a semi bold move on my part yesterday. I traded my 60D which is my main camera for a 50D and $250 cash. I think it was the right move. I just still can't get over the fact that I downgraded(kind of) my camera for the first time in my life. I pray this hack keeps on growing
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 06, 2013, 08:17:45 PM
Guy's I don't know I'm getting upwards of 63 - 64mb/s on my Komputerbay 64gb 1000X card

I think the highest I've achieved is ~67mb/s. I could be mistaken but that was in the 3:2 aspect ratio.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 06, 2013, 08:36:47 PM
So I did a semi bold move on my part yesterday. I traded my 60D which is my main camera for a 50D and $250 cash. I think it was the right move. I just still can't get over the fact that I downgraded(kind of) my camera for the first time in my life. I pray this hack keeps on growing
You did the right thing probably :) the sd controller in the sd card cameras seems pretty limited. Don't think there is a way to overcome this. So for raw video, the 50D should have a big advantage (like it has right now).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 06, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
not sure if we are talking about the same thing here - i mean only borders on the Silent Pics
when i shoot Silent Pics with raw_rec module enabled and various aspect ratios, all Silent Pic DNGs are 2064x1106
Ah yeah, I should clarify that. When changing raw_rec resolution the Silent pics always stay the same resolution. There's just the difference between full sensor and zoomed modes.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dhallowell19 on June 06, 2013, 08:43:23 PM
Sorry for my ongoing reports about performance that seemed to be lagging the pack -- but *good news --- I finally seem to have hit upon the conditions that will let me shoot indefinitely at '1600' resolution.

Not sure which of these final changes that did the trick, but what I'd done included:
- turning off every single feature (zebras, etc.) in the shooting menus, though I hadn't seen that level of 'turning off' specified, I just went 100% off on everything.
- Even though 16:9 is default, I momentarily chose 3:2, then explicitly chose 16:9.  I know that shouldn't matter - but with early code, we know things like that can matter.

Anyway - now my komputerbay 64 (1000x) card shows about 56-58mb/s and just one or maybe two stars in the buffer, then steady state for at least way longer than before.  Will try some quite long shots after battery is recharged.
Thanks again for the patience and the tips.   Now maybe I can get some test footage and try some other things.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: fromdecember on June 06, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
I'm new to the forums.  I've been a ML user with a T2i, sold it for the GH3 and now just purchased a 50d that comes in the mail today!  Thank you to your hard work and hopefully I'll be able to donate some money in the next few weeks after I get paid.

I see a lot of people using the Komputerbay 64gig 1000x cf and I was wondering if any tests have been made with the 50d using Lexar 32gb 1000x cf? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 06, 2013, 08:49:43 PM
By the way I could get my hands on the new STM 18-55 IS lens. (for just 60 euro) It's actually really nice for filming. It's really sharp for a zoom lens and the  manual focus is really smooth. I have some extra m42 mount lenses to get a shalow dof when needed, but they lack real wide angle and IS.

You mean CANON EF-M 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 STM IS, well......you can just use it in daylight...indoors you will need at least 3 generators.....My personal option is always to choose a lens starting at least in 2.8.....
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 06, 2013, 08:51:22 PM
So I did a semi bold move on my part yesterday. I traded my 60D which is my main camera for a 50D and $250 cash. I think it was the right move. I just still can't get over the fact that I downgraded(kind of) my camera for the first time in my life. I pray this hack keeps on growing


I already think doing that with my 7D... but then i loose my 60fps =(((
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 06, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
So I did a semi bold move on my part yesterday. I traded my 60D which is my main camera for a 50D and $250 cash. I think it was the right move. I just still can't get over the fact that I downgraded(kind of) my camera for the first time in my life. I pray this hack keeps on growing

It's a great move, now you have a true Raw Camera in your hands + some money buy yourself two Komputerbay 64GB 1000X cards with that money. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on June 06, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
got everything ready....

but apparently my live view button doesn't work? It only turns on when i turn on/off my camera?  :-\
I can manually turn it off in the menu but i can't turn it back on again unless i turn it off which makes raw recording not possible?
Am i doing something wrong? Does it has something to do with my lens? its a Tamron 28-300mm...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Fioritura on June 06, 2013, 10:36:44 PM
hmmm...i'm using a cheap-o bower usb2.0 reader i bought in chinatown.  i expected it to be the culprit so i bought a USB3.0 off newegg and it should arrive soon.  i wonder if i'll have better luck or if this is a more persistent problem.

komputerbay is getting back to me with tech support.  fingers crossed there's a solution i'll be able to share.

The 32GB SanDisk Extreme works fine in the Transcend reader that would not let me access the 64GB KomputerBay. Some speed tests tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 06, 2013, 11:09:39 PM
Hello guys,

so, I tried shooting some test footage in 2.35:1, 5x mode (1920x818) today with May 28th build, but there still seem to be some bugs left. I apologise in advance in case these issues have been resolved in the meantime.

Firstly, the framing is not correct. Instead of being in the middle of the sensor, it seems that the image is captured at sensor pixel coordinates X=Y=0.

Another problem is that, although I constantly recorded in 5x mode, the written RAW data is sometimes being interpreted as 1592x678, but the image itself seems to be still 1920x818, with a wrong stride being applied in the raw file.

Here is an example DNG of the wrong image data:

http://www.filedropper.com/m000000 (http://www.filedropper.com/m000000)

As a reference, here is a DNG with correct image data (roughly the same scene):

http://www.filedropper.com/m000000_1 (http://www.filedropper.com/m000000_1)

I think it has something to do with the fact that I constantly switched between 5x and 10x mode to check the focus. But I always started recording when the Live View was in 5x mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 06, 2013, 11:29:49 PM
got everything ready....

but apparently my live view button doesn't work? It only turns on when i turn on/off my camera?  :-\
I can manually turn it off in the menu but i can't turn it back on again unless i turn it off which makes raw recording not possible?
Am i doing something wrong? Does it has something to do with my lens? its a Tamron 28-300mm...
have you activated live view?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: simulacro on June 07, 2013, 01:24:28 AM
Ok, i sold my 550d to get an almost new 50d. First time you see the detail is nothing compared to h.264. The capacity of manipulate the colors and contrast is just amazing, like photography. The closer to cinema: develop and then edit. Thank you very much!

I bought the camera with a Sandisk Extreme 60mbps and that's what i'm gonna use until i have money for a 1000x. With this card i'm getting around 7 seconds at 1576x880 24p and 6 seconds 25p aprox. Lower resolutions, i can record much more (the only test at 1440 gave me more than 1500 frames)

My first test. I used the may 28th build and this is the result: (24p instead of 23.978)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on June 07, 2013, 02:37:49 AM
have you activated live view?

Yes i have enabled it in the menu, Is the live view button supposed to be rock solid? it doesn't click or anything.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 02:57:37 AM
Ok, i sold my 550d to get an almost new 50d. First time you see the detail is nothing compared to h.264. The capacity of manipulate the colors and contrast is just amazing, like photography. The closer to cinema: develop and then edit. Thank you very much!

I bought the camera with a Sandisk Extreme 60mbps and that's what i'm gonna use until i have money for a 1000x. With this card i'm getting around 7 seconds at 1576x880 24p and 6 seconds 25p aprox. Lower resolutions, i can record much more (the only test at 1440 gave me more than 1500 frames)

My first test. I used the may 28th build and this is the result: (24p instead of 23.978)


Great job man footage looks great..  Yeah you definitely need a 1000x card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: djfremen on June 07, 2013, 03:06:47 AM
now my komputerbay 64 (1000x) card shows about 56-58gb/s

MBps = Megabytes per second
Mbps = Megabits per second
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AaronL on June 07, 2013, 04:34:22 AM
It's a great move, now you have a true Raw Camera in your hands + some money buy yourself two Komputerbay 64GB 1000X cards with that money.

That's actually the first thing i did. I got the 128gb instead of the 64 and had it overnighted since i couldn't wait. Hopefully it will be awesome weather so i can test it out tomorrow night
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 04:46:57 AM
That's actually the first thing i did. I got the 128gb instead of the 64 and had it overnighted since i couldn't wait. Hopefully it will be awesome weather so i can test it out tomorrow night

OOh no email them ASAP I Mean now the 128GB card is way slower than the 64GB KomputerBay version don't know why exactly but it's slower.  Have them change it to two 64GB, it's going to cost you a little bit more but it's worth it.  Go back and read all the previous post everybody been saying the same thing about the 128GB card even Mark III users. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 07, 2013, 05:16:34 AM
hi all, update on my builds and code for the 50D.

i got my 50D via craigslist in the US on Sunday May 26th, i signed into this forum the next day and did a magic lantern install.
had as many of you been following the various camera raw video forums as well as looking at code commits from the magic lantern core team on bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ (click on source then naviagte to  Magic Lantern / modules / raw_rec / raw_rec.c  and click "Blame") to see the macro view of the code. 
thought that within a week i'd be able to push a set of code for the 50D into the main magic lantern development "unified" branch, so that further developments are easy to keep in line with the extensive ongoing code work.

today i pushed all the code via a pull request to the core team (took me 10 days not 7 - oh well). once this is accepted, it will make it much easier for anyone to make builds and add on to the 50D part of the project, as it will be in sync. 

a "build" is the set of files you install on your card to run magic lantern.  these have to be generated for each camera, as certain files you see on your card like "autoexec.bin" and "ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM" are cameras specific and must be "compiled" for that camera - the 50D.109 in this thread. 

if you're using a build from 28May13 on the 50D you will likely see my computer name on the ML info screen.
going forward, in the very near future, all the code needed to make the 50D record raw video will be in the main "unified" branch.  it is also available in the public repository https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/commits/branch/50DrawNow (the 50DrawNow branch is the one to use, i am also new to using bitbucket and the mercurial version control system, so please ignore the other 50D branch)

anyone is free to make builds with the code going forward.

over the past week, i've been merging code with the main unified branch and making builds.
the builds from the code vintage of May 28 - May 31 seem to have had the highest performance to me with as i now recall a magical build on the 30th which could run at 57MB/s with focus peaking and graphics.

many users are reporting 55MB/s+ performance from the build i released on 28May13.
more recent builds do not match this performance for me. for example with the merge this morning, i didn't have stable recording above 50MB/s - though i did have Silent Pictures, AutoETTR and many other new features running on the 50D.

i'd like to thank everyone on this very helpful forum and the many contributors to magic lantern. i really don't know how a1ex can get so much done - seems like he only sleeps 3 hours a night.
i've learned quite a bit in 10 days.

cheers

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 07, 2013, 05:37:43 AM
Julian,
yes this answers the question and the values are committed into code on bitbucket.



Ah yeah, I should clarify that. When changing raw_rec resolution the Silent pics always stay the same resolution. There's just the difference between full sensor and zoomed modes.

DNGs files from the Null build at regular and zoom mode linked below for reference.
http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/51170003.DNG (http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/51170003.DNG)

http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170022.DNG (http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170022.DNG)

http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170002.DNG (http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170002.DNG)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 07, 2013, 05:38:22 AM
Julian,
yes this answers the question and the values are committed into code on bitbucket.
this should settle the "skip" values for the 50D.

DNGs files from the Null build at regular and zoom mode linked below for reference.
http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/51170003.DNG (http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/51170003.DNG)

http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170022.DNG (http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170022.DNG)

http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170002.DNG (http://50.56.67.113/ml-06June13/27170002.DNG)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 06:01:13 AM
hi all, update on my builds and code for the 50D.

i got my 50D via craigslist in the US on Sunday May 26th, i signed into this forum the next day and did a magic lantern install.
had as many of you been following the various camera raw video forums as well as looking at code commits from the magic lantern core team on bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ (click on source then naviagte to  Magic Lantern / modules / raw_rec / raw_rec.c  and click "Blame") to see the macro view of the code. 
thought that within a week i'd be able to push a set of code for the 50D into the main magic lantern development "unified" branch, so that further developments are easy to keep in line with the extensive ongoing code work.

today i pushed all the code via a pull request to the core team (took me 10 days not 7 - oh well). once this is accepted, it will make it much easier for anyone to make builds and add on to the 50D part of the project, as it will be in sync. 

a "build" is the set of files you install on your card to run magic lantern.  these have to be generated for each camera, as certain files you see on your card like "autoexec.bin" and "ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM" are cameras specific and must be "compiled" for that camera - the 50D.109 in this thread. 

if you're using a build from 28May13 on the 50D you will likely see my computer name on the ML info screen.
going forward, in the very near future, all the code needed to make the 50D record raw video will be in the main "unified" branch.  it is also available in the public repository https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/commits/branch/50DrawNow (the 50DrawNow branch is the one to use, i am also new to using bitbucket and the mercurial version control system, so please ignore the other 50D branch)

anyone is free to make builds with the code going forward.

over the past week, i've been merging code with the main unified branch and making builds.
the builds from the code vintage of May 28 - May 31 seem to have had the highest performance to me with as i now recall a magical build on the 30th which could run at 57MB/s with focus peaking and graphics.

many users are reporting 55MB/s+ performance from the build i released on 28May13.
more recent builds do not match this performance for me. for example with the merge this morning, i didn't have stable recording above 50MB/s - though i did have Silent Pictures, AutoETTR and many other new features running on the 50D.

i'd like to thank everyone on this very helpful forum and the many contributors to magic lantern. i really don't know how a1ex can get so much done - seems like he only sleeps 3 hours a night.
i've learned quite a bit in 10 days.

cheers

Thank you so much for all your work Gregory you sacrificed 10 days of you life coding just so we all can enjoy the Raw Capabilities of the 50D, thank you once again.  Will definitely follow your Bitbucket..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on June 07, 2013, 07:17:31 AM
guess i'll have to return my body , my live view button doesn't do anything so i cant record raw on it :(
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: briwil on June 07, 2013, 07:23:17 AM
guess i'll have to return my body , my live view button doesn't do anything so i cant record raw on it :(

Sorry to hear it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 07, 2013, 08:05:08 AM
50D Live view only works in certain camera modes - make sure you've got it set to 'M' on the dial.


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on June 07, 2013, 08:14:56 AM
it is set on ''M'' mode, I will have to bring it back...
unless there is a way to record raw using a different button?? My live view turns on automatically when you turn on the camera  ???
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: simulacro on June 07, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
Great job man footage looks great..  Yeah you definitely need a 1000x card.

Thanks. I know, but i got bankrupt with this investment... my little savings went to the camera. At some point i think i'm going to be able to make a 6,5 seconds shots videos haha
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: muddmanrich on June 07, 2013, 11:45:11 AM

Set the following:

ISO:  100-200 (actually the ISO Does not matter so much use whatever ISO you need)
FPS override:  23.988 (Don't use 24 exact, use optimized for low light instead)

Canon Menus:

Set Qualiy to: JPEG Large Only - NO RAW

Settings in C.Fn II: Image

High ISO speed Noise Reduction:  Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer:  Disable
Highlight Tone Priority:  Disable
Long Exposure Noise Reduction:  OFF

Global Draw:  set it to "LiveView" (Turn off peaking and all other global draw settings)

RAW Video Settings:

Raw Video Resolution:  1600 (it will default to 1592)
Raw Video Ratio:  3:2 or 16:9
Sound:  OFF
Hacked Mode: ON

Shoot something for a while . . . . 1600 resolution & 16:9 ratio is the most stable.

Just did my first test using the above settings and Gregory's May 28th build with a Transcend 32gb 100x card. First time I started recording, it stopped after 120 frames. Started it right away again and it recorded till the card was full. Constant 57MB/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 07, 2013, 11:46:26 AM
hi all, update on my builds and code for the 50D.

i got my 50D via craigslist in the US on Sunday May 26th, i signed into this forum the next day and did a magic lantern install.
had as many of you been following the various camera raw video forums as well as looking at code commits from the magic lantern core team on bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/ (click on source then naviagte to  Magic Lantern / modules / raw_rec / raw_rec.c  and click "Blame") to see the macro view of the code. 
thought that within a week i'd be able to push a set of code for the 50D into the main magic lantern development "unified" branch, so that further developments are easy to keep in line with the extensive ongoing code work.

today i pushed all the code via a pull request to the core team (took me 10 days not 7 - oh well). once this is accepted, it will make it much easier for anyone to make builds and add on to the 50D part of the project, as it will be in sync. 

a "build" is the set of files you install on your card to run magic lantern.  these have to be generated for each camera, as certain files you see on your card like "autoexec.bin" and "ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM" are cameras specific and must be "compiled" for that camera - the 50D.109 in this thread. 

if you're using a build from 28May13 on the 50D you will likely see my computer name on the ML info screen.
going forward, in the very near future, all the code needed to make the 50D record raw video will be in the main "unified" branch.  it is also available in the public repository https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/commits/branch/50DrawNow (the 50DrawNow branch is the one to use, i am also new to using bitbucket and the mercurial version control system, so please ignore the other 50D branch)

anyone is free to make builds with the code going forward.

over the past week, i've been merging code with the main unified branch and making builds.
the builds from the code vintage of May 28 - May 31 seem to have had the highest performance to me with as i now recall a magical build on the 30th which could run at 57MB/s with focus peaking and graphics.

many users are reporting 55MB/s+ performance from the build i released on 28May13.
more recent builds do not match this performance for me. for example with the merge this morning, i didn't have stable recording above 50MB/s - though i did have Silent Pictures, AutoETTR and many other new features running on the 50D.

i'd like to thank everyone on this very helpful forum and the many contributors to magic lantern. i really don't know how a1ex can get so much done - seems like he only sleeps 3 hours a night.
i've learned quite a bit in 10 days.

cheers
Sorry Mr Gregory, but I'm still so dumb :o that I do not know where to find your new builds. Should I find then in the Unified Nightly builds? or Should I compile (something I never did) the code of Bitbucket?. Thanks for attending these newbie questions.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: muddmanrich on June 07, 2013, 11:59:45 AM
Sorry Mr Gregory, but I'm still so dumb :o that I do not know where to find your new builds. Should I find then in the Unified Nightly builds? or Should I compile (something I never did) the code of Bitbucket?. Thanks for attending these newbie questions.

If you're just trying it out for the first time, try the May 28th build. It is mentioned where to find it on the first page, in the first post. Just scroll down. Or go here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5586.msg43359#msg43359
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 07, 2013, 01:27:07 PM
Thanks a lot Gregory for turning up out of nowhere and getting this far. Awesome :)

Sorry Mr Gregory, but I'm still so dumb :o that I do not know where to find your new builds. Should I find then in the Unified Nightly builds? or Should I compile (something I never did) the code of Bitbucket?. Thanks for attending these newbie questions.
In other words: Gregory worked his ass of the past 10 days to make future developments easier, because from now on (or in the near future) it should be possible to let the development run along with the other camera's - not separate.

For now, use the 28th may build (linked in the first post of this topic, not the second one). The newer test builds aren't interesting for actual use.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 07, 2013, 03:02:59 PM
Thanks a lot Gregory for turning up out of nowhere and getting this far. Awesome :)
In other words: Gregory worked his ass of the past 10 days to make future developments easier, because from now on (or in the near future) it should be possible to let the development run along with the other camera's - not separate.

For now, use the 28th may build (linked in the first post of this topic, not the second one). The newer test builds aren't interesting for actual use.
Thanks Julian, I am already using the 28May build. Incredible work guys. I would like to keep track of the devlopment. I recnetly bought the 50D mainly because your thread is the most fascinating. The camera is also. I want to compare it with my 5D2. I am very happy cause the cameras looks are very different and give me a lot of possibilities. You were right Julian about the cinematic look of the 50D, with vintage glass has a unique feel. The markIII reigns in RAW world, but the ancient 50D has a lot to say. Thanks all for share your talent.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 07, 2013, 06:23:30 PM
it is set on ''M'' mode, I will have to bring it back...
unless there is a way to record raw using a different button?? My live view turns on automatically when you turn on the camera  ???

You also have to enable Live View shoot in the Canon Menus . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: hijodeibn on June 07, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
Is anyone going to test a Toshiba 1066x card?.....supposed 150Mb/s, not sure if we will see any difference.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 08:48:02 PM
Is anyone going to test a Toshiba 1066x card?.....supposed 150Mb/s, not sure if we will see any difference.

That might be overkill for the 50D - 1000x is more than capable. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on June 07, 2013, 09:25:45 PM
You also have to enable Live View shoot in the Canon Menus . . .

I do know that....... my live vew button is faulty.......
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 07, 2013, 09:50:21 PM
Sounds unlikely, but I guess it could be possible. Try with the normal Canon firmware, read the manuals etc, make sure you're not overlooking something. Anyway, good luck...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 07, 2013, 10:27:08 PM
In the process of writing a short narrative piece to test a motivated workflow of the 50D. Should be shot and wrapped in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AaronL on June 07, 2013, 10:42:21 PM
Hey everyone. I just got my card and I'm ready to roll. I just needed to know what the exact setting are i need to operate the fastest and also what build model. I think its the 5/28 one but in that model i cant choose what frame size i want to record at. Anyways thank you in advance for the help
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
In the process of writing a short narrative piece to test a motivated workflow of the 50D. Should be shot and wrapped in the coming weeks.

Awesome can't wait to see it, got a music video shoot this weekend gonna put the 50D to the test as well big workflow but worth it. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 11:09:37 PM
Hey everyone. I just got my card and I'm ready to roll. I just needed to know what the exact setting are i need to operate the fastest and also what build model. I think its the 5/28 one but in that model i cant choose what frame size i want to record at. Anyways thank you in advance for the help

Yep Gregory's 5/28 Build is by far the most stable..  Settings are as follow  - 
Canon In camera settings:  Press menu on 50D & Scroll to the 8th option menu than select (C.FnII:Image) Long exp. noise reduction (Off) - High ISO Speed Noise Reduct'n (Disable) - Highlight tone priority (Disable) - Auto Lighting Optimizer (Disable)

Magic Lantern Settings:
Global Draw = (Off) -  Override Exp (ON) - Override FPS (24 Exact FPS / Low Light) all up to you I prefer 24 exact - Hacked Mode (ON) 

That's it have fun with your 50D Post footage when you compile one Cheers..   8)
 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 07, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
Hey everyone. I just got my card and I'm ready to roll. I just needed to know what the exact setting are i need to operate the fastest and also what build model. I think its the 5/28 one but in that model i cant choose what frame size i want to record at. Anyways thank you in advance for the help

One last thing very important format the card in camera, I get the best result from doing that. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: AaronL on June 07, 2013, 11:42:57 PM
Yep Gregory's 5/28 Build is by far the most stable..  Settings are as follow  - 
Canon In camera settings:  Press menu on 50D & Scroll to the 8th option menu than select (C.FnII:Image) Long exp. noise reduction (Off) - High ISO Speed Noise Reduct'n (Disable) - Highlight tone priority (Disable) - Auto Lighting Optimizer (Disable)

Magic Lantern Settings:
Global Draw = (Off) -  Override Exp (ON) - Override FPS (24 Exact FPS / Low Light) all up to you I prefer 24 exact - Hacked Mode (ON) 

That's it have fun with your 50D Post footage when you compile one Cheers..   8)

Thanks man. Whats wrong with the other settings? I was really hopping to shoot some 2:39
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 07, 2013, 11:50:05 PM
Found some time to edit my shots I made earlier this week.

Experimented with a new workflow, I wanted something faster than ACR/Bridge, so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage), graded the clips in Davincie Resolve Lite 9 and edited in Premiere CS6.


More details (and download option) on vimeo.
Shot with the 28th May build by Gregory.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 07, 2013, 11:55:50 PM
Found some time to edit my shots I made earlier this week.

Experimented with a new workflow, I wanted something faster than ACR/Bridge, so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage), graded the clips in Davincie Resolve Lite 9 and edited in Premiere CS6.


More details (and download option) on vimeo.
Shot with the 28th May build by Gregory.

On mobile so I haven't have it a watch yet, but transcoding to Cineform, how's highlight and shadow recovery. What's the files size of the Cineform stuff? Thanks for all the hard work.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 12:59:29 AM
Found some time to edit my shots I made earlier this week.

Experimented with a new workflow, I wanted something faster than ACR/Bridge, so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage), graded the clips in Davincie Resolve Lite 9 and edited in Premiere CS6.


More details (and download option) on vimeo.
Shot with the 28th May build by Gregory.

Very Nice Julian. Magnificent images.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: arrinkiiii on June 08, 2013, 01:05:24 AM
Found some time to edit my shots I made earlier this week.

Experimented with a new workflow, I wanted something faster than ACR/Bridge, so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage), graded the clips in Davincie Resolve Lite 9 and edited in Premiere CS6.


More details (and download option) on vimeo.
Shot with the 28th May build by Gregory.

Very good video. Is
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: djfremen on June 08, 2013, 01:08:36 AM
so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage)

Can you post your computer specs Julian. Mac or PC/Hackintosh?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Viente on June 08, 2013, 01:29:56 AM
Thanks Julian! Could you please upload somehwere unscaled original footage?
Im going to buy 50D soon and would like to play with the original raw footage first. Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JIKIJI on June 08, 2013, 02:07:42 AM
Sounds unlikely, but I guess it could be possible. Try with the normal Canon firmware, read the manuals etc, make sure you're not overlooking something. Anyway, good luck...

Thanks but I did try with original firmware, had it for a week and tried everything so decided to bring it back today. The button just had no response whatsoever, must be a mechanical malfunction. Anyways ordered a new one, waiting for next week for it arrive.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 02:57:13 AM
Found some time to edit my shots I made earlier this week.

Experimented with a new workflow, I wanted something faster than ACR/Bridge, so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage), graded the clips in Davincie Resolve Lite 9 and edited in Premiere CS6.


More details (and download option) on vimeo.
Shot with the 28th May build by Gregory.

Julian once again beautiful images man I'm loving the 50D more and more each everyday.  By the way there is a direct way now to get CinemaDNG's from the 50D's Raw files I'll post link. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 03:25:36 AM
Guy's new update their is a converter developed by the RareVision guys the ones who developed 5DtoRGB.  Basically it's a Raw to CinemaDNG converter that means you can import right into Davinci Resolve 9 to edit and color footages that's big.  Here is the link to topic and download link should be the second post

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.50 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.50)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: simulacro on June 08, 2013, 04:10:54 AM
another little test:

bringing the overexposed images to safer zones is like magic!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 08, 2013, 04:56:16 AM
Guy's new update their is a converter developed by the RareVision guys the ones who developed 5DtoRGB.  Basically it's a Raw to CinemaDNG converter that means you can import right into Davinci Resolve 9 to edit and color footages that's big.  Here is the link to topic and download link should be the second post

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.50 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.50)

Any luck processing spanned clips? Highlight and shadow recovery akin to the ACR workflow?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 08, 2013, 04:59:32 AM
Found some time to edit my shots I made earlier this week.

Experimented with a new workflow, I wanted something faster than ACR/Bridge, so I used RAWanizer to convert to CineformRAW 444 (about 10 minutes for 21GB of footage), graded the clips in Davincie Resolve Lite 9 and edited in Premiere CS6.


More details (and download option) on vimeo.
Shot with the 28th May build by Gregory.


Julian, did you get small squared noise patterns when using that workflow? I tried the RAWanizer + CineForm combo and I got some very unusual results...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: paulforte on June 08, 2013, 05:02:40 AM

Has onyone tried out a 600x Komputerbay card? If anyone has and gets continuos rec on 1:1 I will go for that one.

Just got my 600x Komputerbay 32 from Amazon and tested it. No go. Cannot get more than 100 frames, 25.2 MB/s. Gonna return it.  My 1000x's 64 and 32 work well.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 06:04:56 AM
Any luck processing spanned clips? Highlight and shadow recovery akin to the ACR workflow?

Haven't tried but I will.. Yep you can recover Highlight and shadows actually you can put it in Log mode which is nice a flat BMC looking image just tried it, it's very nice.  The other plus also is that Davinci upscales the footage for you automatically & to tell you the truth I can't tell the difference between the original and upscaled version.  Give it a go when you can..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 06:06:19 AM
Just got my 600x Komputerbay 32 from Amazon and tested it. No go. Cannot get more than 100 frames, 25.2 MB/s. Gonna return it.  My 1000x's 64 and 32 work well.

1000X is always a safe bet, sorry it didn't work-out for you with that card now it's going to be another wait to get new one. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 08, 2013, 08:23:28 AM
Okay so I'm sure we're all totally amazed at what the 50D can do, especially since it never came with video for starters!

However, there are still a few realistic ways I think it could be better.
Since I'm not technically capable of programming Magic Lantern in any which way, I thought I'd put together a wish list for futre 50D video features, as follows...

1. A hard upper limit to exposure time, of 1/fps when raw video mode is turned on. i.e. it will not let you shift the exposure time beyond 1/24th of a second if you are shooting 24fps.

2. Tying into the above, exposure time indicated in degrees, 180, 275, etc.

3. Clarification on real exposure time, when fps override is turned on. For example, if you set the camera to 1/250th of a second when at 30fps, and then set fps override to 24fps... Is it still 1/250th? Or is it 1/250th * (30/24) ?    If it's the latter, then updating exposure time to match FPS would be handy. (And make sure the 360 degree exposure time matches fps override, instead of 30fps still)

4. Perhaps far fetched, but there was mention that there could possibly be other native video modes apart from 30fps?
Perhaps would help with the above scenario if there was a native 24fps setting floating around somewhere in the camera already.

5. Sticky DOF automatically working when you hit the record button. As it's quite cumbersome to use electronic lenses at the moment.

6. Not 50D specific, but I find it a real pain to autofocus in video mode, and usually only do it at the start of a shot. So what I tend to do, (if not manually focus0 is turn liveview off, autofocus the camera the 'normal' way, (as this works very quickly) and then switch it back to liveview and go from there. Would it be possible to automate this sequence? Live view off > autofocus > focus confirmation > liveview on? Assuming anyone else would find that handy of course. If that could be automated to a half shutter press or something, it would be freaken sweet.

So just a few thoughts, anyone else got any other (realistic) suggestions?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: djfremen on June 08, 2013, 08:52:06 AM
1. A non-cumbersome way of loading video modules.
2. 2353x1568 @ 23.98 FPS
3. 12-bit HDMI out ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 08, 2013, 10:40:46 AM
Anyone else having issues reviewing images? I used to be able to see the first frame of a raw file, and select and delete. Now i just get "no image"?
Sandisk 32GB
28th build - G. Manhattan

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Edit: First time I was using ML Raw it was an old version... image play back says something about only being enabled in photo mode? was this a change in the 28th may build?

Also just bout go go look for info on file spanning. currently @ 1280 x 720 I can only go up to 2.7GB files. On a slow card hence aonly 1280 x 720. 60mb/s getting about 44.5 mb/s. 720 is only about 37 ish Mb/s... so not the card limiting.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 08, 2013, 11:17:57 AM
Roman, i dont get the problem with the Sticky DOF. As soon as you Enable Exp. Override it changes the Aperture right after you dialed it in. Where's your problem?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 08, 2013, 11:21:16 AM
Can you post your computer specs Julian. Mac or PC/Hackintosh?
Windows 7, Core i5 2400, 16GB, GeForce GTX660 (for Resolve), 180GB ssd for OS/programs.

Pretty midrange by now. Nothing extreme,  but enough. Just going to get another 256GB SSD to put the project files on. Now i was working from my normal hdd since my 1st ssd is pretty full.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on June 08, 2013, 11:38:15 AM
... Had the same experience. The first time I shot raw I was also able to view independent clips and delete. In addition, at one point, I was able to adjust through multiple shots and actually choose which file to playback.

... Also, I have now tested three different Canon 50D cameras. One camera in particular, having what appears to be a late model serial number will not record past a 2:1 aspect ratio w/ a 64GB 1000x Komputerbay card. Using the same card, I am able to shoot 5:3 aspect ratio continuously on what appears to be a much earlier model number. It's even recording steady at 64MB/s. Finally, had another 50D that featured a great deal of stuck pixels. I applied a 5 minute manual sensor clean, same technique that repaired the early model 50D model with nearly 40,000 click, however, I was not able to test the camera with the 64GB 1000x. I'm not sure what to do for those who have this issue... Might be an issue for other? It's good to know that this camera was recording 2:1 continously on a Komputerbay 128GB 1000x. Based on these tests, yes, the 64GB 1000x is much faster. However, there may be variations in camera technology within the 50D production period.

Camera settings are specifically reduced for optimal resolution during raw recording... Been following each of our posts and have compiled a number of test shots. Finding the camera to perform stunningly when practicing ETTR (exposure to the right)... Always finding incredible dynamic range and very minimal noise, including ISO 3200.

Having difficulties getting past the built in "screen-like" grid pattern when viewed at %200 or more. It appears to be the foregoing limitation to adjusting the image's sharpness. In many ways, it also creates a "max resolution" appearance to the image. It is a 14-bit image, however, this grid pattern is more of a step back from 14 bit. It's almost as though its a 10-bit limitation?

Can't say enough about how exciting this development is! Seems there is so much room to express cinema photography that it's time to truly say, "This is the way to go!" Way to go everyone! Thanks so much ML Team & Testers!

Canon 50D May 28th Build... Nikon Nikkor AI-s lens kit, Komputerbay 64GB 1000x cards.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: bzhwindtalker on June 08, 2013, 11:40:54 AM
Hey guys, I switched my t2I for a 50D (coming in the mail). Do the 50D have a sync beep option in raw video? Having this feature could be very usefull to sync the footage with an external recorder. I know the 50D does not have a speaker but maybe the AF confirm or timer beeps could be used for this?

If it's already done, did someone test it in a project?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 08, 2013, 12:40:59 PM
LEVISDAVIS, interesting theory. I guess it could be possible that canon has used different cf card controllers over the years.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on June 08, 2013, 12:49:05 PM
Now that was a surprise:
Went to the post office yesterday to pick up the 50d i ordered from soith korea.
First, it took only 4 days from there to canada!
Went back home hoping that everything would work as it should on the camera, that the battery get a decent amount of time to work with, etc. The camera looks like it hass been refurb, minor signs of use, almost like new.
Checked the current firmware on the card ... Ish.... 1.0.3 damn the cam is freaaking old...
I installed ML unified on an old cf card I had.
Whent to see how many shutter actuations: 2k.... What?? Cool!!!

Now today I'm going to get a card reader to install raw recording on a 16gb 1000x lexar.
My card reader built in a mpc1000 usb 1.1 just can't take something that big. It's long tedious and simply doesn't work
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 08, 2013, 01:22:05 PM
Whoa 2k shutter count! Nice. I was pretty happy with 18k, which is still quite low for a 5+ year old camera.

Roman, i dont get the problem with the Sticky DOF. As soon as you Enable Exp. Override it changes the Aperture right after you dialed it in. Where's your problem?

Right you are! Sorry didnt realise that's what it did, haha.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
so let it be written (commit  8118ed9)
so let it be done. ( if you don't know the movie)

it is official - 50D raw video is now part of the unified branch of Magic Lantern.

Giovanni C reviewed and merged the code this hour.
there was some question about leaving Silent Pictures enabled by default and Silent Pics are in.

in terms of the 50D playing nice with the latest modules, users mk11174, Chucho and Coutts provided key information.

this code matches the build i posted yesterday
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/07June13-50DrawNow-bbf358d.zip
which has Silent Pics, AutoETTR and all the newest ML code (up to around 20130607-1200 UTC time).

sent out an email to the testers yesterday and haven't heard reports of disastrous occurrences (there have been 70 downloads).

should load on top of my 28May13 build, smeangols or ML 2.3 -
re-format card
delete ML Config
replace AUTOEXEC.bin
replace MODULES folder

WARNING: may not record faster than my 28May13 build.  so if you are shooting a music video this weekend, you may not want to "upgrade".  it's easy to switch back anyway.

hope this helps.





Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 02:44:59 PM
Quote
WARNING: may not record faster than my 28May13 build.  so if you are shooting a music video this weekend, you may not want to "upgrade".

Huh?!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 02:50:37 PM
with latest merged code, i am not getting steady recordings at the same rates as code from last week.
can recod stable raw video, but not for example continuous 1920x720 until the card is full.
have only tried with one komputerbay card.
hoped to get more feedback.


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F50.56.67.113%2Fml-07june13%2FTEST.BMP&hash=b6550e6ea75339a71355fd8553e9bb46)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 03:04:37 PM
The benchmark code wasn't touched since then...

90MB on write speed? that puts it in the same league as 5D3...

Is ML properly disabling Canon GUI while recording raw? (to check, enable Canon histogram, it should freeze or disappear while recording)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 03:50:26 PM
do you mean this Canon gui
https://twitter.com/GregoryOnRoad/status/343361207354396672/photo/1
?

love that histogram - cuold be helpful for exposure though i'd only be recording at 10 frames/ second
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 03:55:29 PM
Yes. Does Canon histogram stop updating while shooting raw video?

Canon histogram is not relevant for exposing raw btw. Use ML raw histogram for that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 04:03:15 PM
went outside - couldn't easily post photo
now witness the firepower of this armed and fully operational (canon gui)
https://twitter.com/GregoryOnRoad/status/343361207354396672/photo/1

yes the canon gui is active during raw video recording
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 04:13:31 PM
for those following along at home, the empire strikes back and the canon gui is showing up during raw recording in my recent build.
you do NOT want the canon gui during raw recording as it will slow it down.
ideally you'd want to use magic lantern histogram and spot exposure during raw recording.
(waveform is based on YUV not raw so it may not be entirely accurate during raw recording)

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 04:14:52 PM
Active and moving? that's not quite good.

The only easy solution that I see right now is to try globaldraw on and all other things disabled.

Or... hack the CONFIG_KILL_FLICKER code so Canon GUI can be disabled from some other tasks too. Not sure what is the best way to implement this; maybe a reference counting like LV RAW mode from raw.c.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 08, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
Well 50D is stateside... but not in my hands yet. I want to work on stuff like this... ie getting 50D up to speed with its brother the 5DII, display filters, etc.

Also want to see how far I can push H264 with infinite write speed and huge buffers :)



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 04:47:16 PM
Well 50D is stateside... but not in my hands yet. I want to work on stuff like this... ie getting 50D up to speed with its brother the 5DII, display filters, etc.

Also want to see how far I can push H264 with infinite write speed and huge buffers :)

uhhh . . . . I'm salivating at 60-120fps H.264 :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 08, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
I wish... the IC doing the encoding can't handle over 36.. I can't break physics. But probably 200MB/s H264 and hopefully native 24/25P. This is one of the only cameras that will probably do *GOOD* all-I.

5d2 has no 720P.. I'll look tho.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 05:07:41 PM
Tried to shoot some stuff earlier, the 1st couple of shots were fine and recorded at 59mb/s then the write speed dropped to 45mb/s and the buffer filled quickly. I can't seem to get it back to recording at 59mb/s

I've formatted the card in the camera etc, anyone else noticed a sudden drop in write speeds?

I'm using 28th build shooting at 1592x896 on 64gb komputerbay card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
I wish... the IC doing the encoding can't handle over 36.. I can't break physics. But probably 200MB/s H264 and hopefully native 24/25P. This is one of the only cameras that will probably do *GOOD* all-I.

5d2 has no 720P.. I'll look tho.

 :( Bummer . . . . maybe at 720 or even 640p- I'll take 640p/60
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 08, 2013, 05:15:34 PM

should load on top of my 28May13 build, smeangols or ML 2.3 -
re-format card
delete ML Config
replace AUTOEXEC.bin
replace MODULES folder


First off, thanks for the update! I seem to be having problems though, I replaced autoexec.bin and the modules folder but when booted up inside my camera trying to load the raw module I get the error:
"A:/ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM': File does not exist"

So when I take the MAGIC.SYM file from the May 28th build and place it into the modules folder I then get this error:
tcc: error: undefined symbol 'WAV_StopRecord'
tcc: error: undefined symbol 'vram_clear_lv'
[E] Failed to link modules

If I made a foolish error in replacing those files I apologize in advance.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 05:17:14 PM
First off, thanks for the update! I seem to be having problems though, I replaced autoexec.bin and the modules folder but when booted up inside my camera trying to load the raw module I get the error:
"A:/ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM': File does not exist"

So when I take the MAGIC.SYM file from the May 28th build and place it into the modules folder I then get this error:
tcc: error: undefined symbol 'WAV_StopRecord'
tcc: error: undefined symbol 'vram_clear_lv'
[E] Failed to link modules

If I made a foolish error in replacing those files I apologize in advance.

Yes. Exactly the same here . .  . had to revert to 28th build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 05:22:21 PM
double checked armed and fully operational - so yes active and moving during raw_rec

on 28May13, i could record 57MB/s with Graphics Draw on with Histogram, Waveform -
pic.twitter.com/g3ACzE2Ux9
(should have had Exp Simulation On ).

could there be a more simple solution - it seems that this lack of canon_gui deactivation occurred during code changes the past week?

for example, poking around in changes
hg diff -r caffd8a src/| grep canon_gui
see that UNAVI_FEEDBACK_TIMER_ACTIVE  is not defined in platform/50D.109/consts.h
this week the logic in src/gui_common.c is  changed using UNAVI_FEEDBACK_TIMER_ACTIVE
i just tried a quick edit to gui-common.c to force the call to   canon_gui_disable_front_buffer();
that doesn't help the frame rates - though it does turn off the visible canon gui.

so issue appears more complicated.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 05:24:19 PM
I wish... the IC doing the encoding can't handle over 36.. I can't break physics. But probably 200MB/s H264 and hopefully native 24/25P. This is one of the only cameras that will probably do *GOOD* all-I.

5d2 has no 720P.. I'll look tho.

Question:  Would all-I help with moire??
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 05:24:42 PM
Yes. Exactly the same here . .  . had to revert to 28th build.

hold on - MAGIC.SYM must match the AUTOEXEC.BIN
must be bad upload.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 05:35:00 PM
CaptainOfObvious and Menoc thank you for bug report.

First unified build for 50D raw video -
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/08June13-50D-UNIFIED.zip

so now you can replace MODULES folder with this one.
you don't need FILE_MAN or BOLT_REC they are optional new modules i was looking at today.

for raw recording you must have an
AUTOEXEC.BIN and its matching
ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM and of course the
ML/MODULES/RAW_REC.MO module.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 05:40:08 PM
@1% any thoughts on the canon gui issue and recording frame rate slowing down over the past week of code updates?

have put up a build from the unified branch with all of the current code, so if there is any tests which could be done before you have the camera, just ask and the 50D users can try things out and post results.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 08, 2013, 05:43:24 PM
Will have to test and see why its getting enabled. I'll put them up as I make em. The only thing I can benfit from is getting the rom so I can start disassembling it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
Just look at CONFIG_KILL_FLICKER ifdefs and you'll see why it's getting enabled.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 08, 2013, 05:46:23 PM
90MB on write speed? that puts it in the same league as 5D3...
We only see those speeds with benchmark in playback mode. In LV it benchmarks lower.
I don't know the cause of that or the difficulties behind it, would it be possible to speed up writing in LV? The camera seems capable of it..

Can't wait to try the new build. First thing when I get home later today :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 08, 2013, 05:47:22 PM
CaptainOfObvious and Menoc thank you for bug report.

First unified build for 50D raw video -
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/08June13-50D-UNIFIED.zip

so now you can replace MODULES folder with this one.
you don't need FILE_MAN or BOLT_REC they are optional new modules i was looking at today.

for raw recording you must have an
AUTOEXEC.BIN and its matching
ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM and of course the
ML/MODULES/RAW_REC.MO module.

That did it! Thanks GregoryOfManhattan

On another more depressing note, just as user rockfallfilms has experienced my card has seem to suddenly drop in write speeds, from about 57-60mb/s to 45-48ish, buffer fills quickly and recording stops. That's at 1592x896, I'll try some lower resolutions and report back in.

EDIT: Oh god I'm a dummy -_- forgot to reenable fps override after updating to newest build. Sorry for the false alarm.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
Quote
Tried to shoot some stuff earlier, the 1st couple of shots were fine and recorded at 59mb/s then the write speed dropped to 45mb/s and the buffer filled quickly. I can't seem to get it back to recording at 59mb/s

I've formatted the card in the camera etc, anyone else noticed a sudden drop in write speeds?

I'm using 28th build shooting at 1592x896 on 64gb komputerbay card.

I repartitioned the card in my mac and then reformatted in camera, write speed is now back up to 59mb/s. The card must have corrupted somehow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 05:49:08 PM
Most likely CPU or DMA is overloaded with something else; disabling certain stuff (Canon GUI, maybe LiveView display) helps.

On 50D only, to disable Canon GUI, enable Global Draw.

What changeset are you running? There should not be any drops in write speeds, unless you have enabled zebras or focus peaking or who knows what other CPU-intensive stuff.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
CaptainOfObvious and Menoc thank you for bug report.

First unified build for 50D raw video -
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/08June13-50D-UNIFIED.zip

so now you can replace MODULES folder with this one.
you don't need FILE_MAN or BOLT_REC they are optional new modules i was looking at today.

for raw recording you must have an
AUTOEXEC.BIN and its matching
ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM and of course the
ML/MODULES/RAW_REC.MO module.

Terrific work Greg. ALL is good.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 05:52:34 PM
Quote
What changeset are you running? There should not be any drops in write speeds, unless you have enabled zebras or focus peaking or who knows what other CPU-intensive stuff.

Global draw etc off. the first 3 files were fine at 59mb/s then the write speed dropped on any further files i tried to record.

Formatting in camera didn't change anything but repartitioning and then formatting put the write speed back to 59mb/s
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 06:00:28 PM
@GregoryOfManhattan

Thanks for getting the 50D into the unified build:

Just did a test and got 57mb/s constant, only 1 buffer star and no Canon overlays.

Global draw off
24fps
1584x892

Seems to be working for me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: dacssfreak on June 08, 2013, 06:01:08 PM
Right you are! Sorry didnt realise that's what it did, haha.

Im glad I could help  ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
CaptainOfObvious and Menoc thank you for bug report.

First unified build for 50D raw video -
https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/08June13-50D-UNIFIED.zip

so now you can replace MODULES folder with this one.
you don't need FILE_MAN or BOLT_REC they are optional new modules i was looking at today.

for raw recording you must have an
AUTOEXEC.BIN and its matching
ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM and of course the
ML/MODULES/RAW_REC.MO module.

Great work Gregory.. gonna give it a go right after my video shoot with your awesome May, 28th Build  8)  I also see that you enabled ETTR on the new one.. How can I enable ETTR on the May 28th build?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 06:05:21 PM
that is great news rockfallfilms - let me go through my settings then, i keeps changing so many things and finding creative ways to break my camera - i'll go back to defaults and go through my checklist.

FYI when a1ex asks what changeset we are running - you can see it at the bottom of the ML Help tab
file - https://bitbucket.org/GregoryOfManhattan/magic-lantern/downloads/08June13-50D-UNIFIED.zip
is:
Mercurial changeset: 68208a7efac3 (unified)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 06:07:42 PM
Ah right, I wondered what that meant  :)

With global draw on I get 45mb/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
Great work Gregory.. gonna give it a go right after my video shoot with your awesome May, 28th Build  8)  I also see that you enabled ETTR on the new one.. How can I enable ETTR on the May 28th build?

hey goldenchild9to5,
been an amazing week in ML coding history and ETTR and AutoETTR is part of the story.
you have to get the latest edition to get all of the ETTR goodness (say goodbye to AutoISO if you liked that).

wiping a card and resetting camera to see if  my new unified build can run well for me.

sounds like rockfallfilms is getting good results with it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 06:18:55 PM
Quote
been an amazing week in ML coding history and ETTR and AutoETTR is part of the story.
you have to get the latest edition to get all of the ETTR goodness (say goodbye to AutoISO if you liked that).

Is AutoETTR enabled in the latest 50D unified build?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 06:31:28 PM
hey goldenchild9to5,
been an amazing week in ML coding history and ETTR and AutoETTR is part of the story.
you have to get the latest edition to get all of the ETTR goodness (say goodbye to AutoISO if you liked that).

wiping a card and resetting camera to see if  my new unified build can run well for me.

sounds like rockfallfilms is getting good results with it.

WOW!!!  ;D Great work man you don't sleep hugh.. So that means with your new build ETTR and Auto ETTR is an option (Auto ISO) gone Lol..  that's amazing work man I didn't think it would advance soo fast, and your May 28th Build set the bar way high but it seems you have surpassed your own threshold.  Got one last question with the new ETTR modes advances does that help eliminate those nasty noise patterns from the Images? specially present in low light off course. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 06:33:12 PM
Getting a solid 56 mb/s at 1600/16:9, 3:2 is also good (about 4 stars) at 62 mb/s . . . shooting with global draw on " ALL Modes" (everything else off). Will try Auto ETTR, seems to be awesome!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 08, 2013, 06:37:02 PM
Doing some stress testing to see what's stable and not. Seems totally stable with global draw off at 1592x896. What's even better is that I can shoot with Raw histogram and zoom box (but only periodically turning it on and off to check focus, if kept on it will fill the buffer) and it seems relatively stable.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
Raw histogram is a low-priority task, so it should be OK. Zoom is one of the most CPU-intensive overlays, try to avoid it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 08, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
Good to know, thanks a1ex. Yeah when I turn on the zoombox, I can see the buffer start to fill, however when I turn it off it goes back down, where as focus peaking just fills the buffer very quickly. So you wouldn't recommend periodically using magic zoom just to check focus quickly and turning it back off?

Oh and RAW Zebras while recording seems like a no go, quickly fills buffer.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 06:56:53 PM
These are high priority tasks, because they refresh quickly. The priority was tweaked so they don't affect Canon's H.264 recording, but raw recording needs pretty much all the resources it can get.

On 5D3 I notice a 2-3 MB speed drop with raw zebra and peaking enabled, but the task scheduler on 50D/5D2/500D is quite a bit behind 550D and newer cameras.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 06:58:36 PM
Raw histogram is a low-priority task, so it should be OK. Zoom is one of the most CPU-intensive overlays, try to avoid it.

New unified build very stable without Global Draw on just recorded a 9GB file only stays on 1 star amazing..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 07:04:56 PM
hey goldenchild9to5,
been an amazing week in ML coding history and ETTR and AutoETTR is part of the story.
you have to get the latest edition to get all of the ETTR goodness (say goodbye to AutoISO if you liked that).

wiping a card and resetting camera to see if  my new unified build can run well for me.

sounds like rockfallfilms is getting good results with it.

Reporting back, Just gave the new Unified build a test run man oh man extremely stable just recorded past 9GB had to stop it only stays on (*.....) pans aperture adjutments don't effect it at all nice work man.  The only drawback is when I enable Global Draw buffer fills-up very quickly it was the same in the may, 28th build so it's no big deal for me I think I might have to shoot video on this new build  ;D   I'm gonna keep testing it.  One last thing how do you access the ETTR modes can't seem to find it in the menu. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 08, 2013, 08:19:04 PM
Just read the whole Auto ETTR topic. Didn't look into it before since I always shoot manual for video anyway, but this looks rather interesting. Curious what the results will be, going to give it a try!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rawmania on June 08, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
@Julian
Hi Julian
May you tell here how is possible ( in 28 build, 50d, M (manual) mode) to have in the LCD the ACTUAL exposure?
I have always a kind of constant exposure in LCD whatever the shutter, iso or T stop i set.
Regards and go 50d!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 08, 2013, 08:44:46 PM
Hello people,

A couple of days I made a decision to go for 50D. Couldn't resist this RAW monster :)

I loaned a fast x1000 card and did my first test shoot.

But I was surprised (in a bad way) with moire. Is it something to leave with? Or can you suggest any solution?

Thanks!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2Fbi74wl.jpg&hash=a4fb27f9e175a9c14aeb74ecc744a841)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2rmuwcy.jpg&hash=1559da81a5542b3a5113a7e506eae6e2)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: CaptainOfObvious on June 08, 2013, 08:52:05 PM
Hello people,

A couple of days I made a decision to go for 50D. Couldn't resist this RAW monster :)

I loaned a fast x1000 card and did my first test shoot.

But I was surprised (in a bad way) with moire. Is it something to leave with? Or can you suggest any solution?

Thanks!

There is a ton of fine line detail in those shots, I'm not surprised. Look for the money this camera shooting RAW is insanely good, no doubt about it. With that being said it's far from perfect, I personally think it's aliasing (even more so than the moire it exhibits) is pretty darn poor.

What resolution did you shoot at?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 08, 2013, 08:53:00 PM
Hello people,

A couple of days I made a decision to go for 50D. Couldn't resist this RAW monster :)

I loaned a fast x1000 card and did my first test shoot.

But I was surprised (in a bad way) with moire. Is it something to leave with? Or can you suggest any solution?

Thanks!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2Fbi74wl.jpg&hash=a4fb27f9e175a9c14aeb74ecc744a841)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2rmuwcy.jpg&hash=1559da81a5542b3a5113a7e506eae6e2)

Have you sharpened this?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
The only good fixes for aliasing are crop mode or the Mosaic filter (which afaik doesn't fit on the 50D).
Title: aliasing + moire
Post by: rommex on June 08, 2013, 08:57:54 PM
As per questions to my frames:

- I have not applied sharpness
- I shot with the max resolution for 50D - that was the main idea behind loaning a fast card
- one frame is 100% crop and the other is enlarged to 1920x1080

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 09:03:44 PM
beyond 1k - my 08June13 build is a cinema camera - getting stable 2000x720 14bit raw video - wow!

Code: [Select]
~/bin/raw2dng /Volumes/transfer/ML-TEST/M08-1349-combined.RAW
Resolution  : 2000 x 750
Frames      : 6979
Frame size  : 2625536 bytes
Frame skip  : 1
FPS         : 24.000
Processing frame 1 of 6979...
Vertical stripes correction:
  1.000  1.000  0.994  0.991  1.000  1.003  0.997  0.994
Processing frame 4679 of 6979...

shooting GD enabled (had to turn off everything)
Hack mode
stable @62.5MB/s

note, it is possible to get your 50D into a very weird state as i did this morning and have it show the Canon GUI.
if you see things like that - reset everything and go through the checklist of settings (which i wish were edited into the first post of this thread)




Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 09:09:40 PM
Hello people,

A couple of days I made a decision to go for 50D. Couldn't resist this RAW monster :)

I loaned a fast x1000 card and did my first test shoot.

But I was surprised (in a bad way) with moire. Is it something to leave with? Or can you suggest any solution?

Thanks!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2Fbi74wl.jpg&hash=a4fb27f9e175a9c14aeb74ecc744a841)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2rmuwcy.jpg&hash=1559da81a5542b3a5113a7e506eae6e2)

I'm not sure how your getting all that Moire must be a setting, or setting maybe the way your converting your Raw to DNG.  My 50D has little to none moire & aliasing, don't get me wrong it's present but not like what I'm seeing here.  Let me know your conversion process after shooting. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 09:13:11 PM
Cool, that's almost 2K.

Can you get a screenshot with the latest changeset? I've modified the speed calculation routine to include only the time used for writing to card (idle time is displayed separately, if any).

There's also a minor speed optimization, but it doesn't seem to make any difference on 5D3.

P.S. What's the point in quoting a huge image 5 times?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
beyond 1k - my 08June13 build is a cinema camera - getting stable 2000x720 14bit raw video - wow!

Code: [Select]
~/bin/raw2dng /Volumes/transfer/ML-TEST/M08-1349-combined.RAW
Resolution  : 2000 x 750
Frames      : 6979
Frame size  : 2625536 bytes
Frame skip  : 1
FPS         : 24.000
Processing frame 1 of 6979...
Vertical stripes correction:
  1.000  1.000  0.994  0.991  1.000  1.003  0.997  0.994
Processing frame 4679 of 6979...

shooting GD enabled (had to turn off everything)
Hack mode
stable @62.5MB/s

note, it is possible to get your 50D into a very weird state as i did this morning and have it show the Canon GUI.
if you see things like that - reset everything and go through the checklist of settings (which i wish were edited into the first post of this thread)

In what mode are you getting (2000x720) ?  is it on 5X or 10X mode, or regular 16:9 aspect ratio?   I was just reviewing some footage that I just shot with the new Unified build it seems that the shadows are really getting crushed, I'm seeing less detail in the shadows than in the May 28th Build.   
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 09:17:49 PM
The only good fixes for aliasing are crop mode or the Mosaic filter (which afaik doesn't fit on the 50D).

I emailed Mosaic Engineering to ask if they might make a filter for the 50D. Not heard back yet but who knows, maybe if everyone does it then it may make them consider it?

contact "at" mosaicengineering.com

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 08, 2013, 09:18:14 PM
I'm not sure how your getting all that Moire must be a setting, or setting maybe the way your converting your Raw to DNG.  My 50D has little to none moire & aliasing, don't get me wrong it's present but not like what I'm seeing here.  Let me know your conversion process after shooting.

I do hope there something in the conversion, or else my investment is futile.

I did Raw2DNG -> Import to AE CS5.5 -> Save Frame
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 08, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
Moire and aliasing... Heavily  dependent on the shooting situation of course. For the anamorphic video I made, everything at f/8/11/16 a few shots were useless. Still, I got plenty of high detail shots without much problems.

After that I haven't experienced moire so bad as with that example. Could it be dependent on the build as well or is that impossible? Shot mostly lowlight lately at bigger apertures so it makes sense it showed up less.

I think it's pretty workable and you can get around it in most situations. Will experiment more with high detail settings.

One thing I do for sure is disabling sharpening when converting the dngs. I do add it but only after resizing to my desired resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 08, 2013, 09:28:35 PM
...

One thing I do for sure is disabling sharpening when converting the dngs. I do add it but only after resizing to my desired resolution.

Julian, how do I do that? thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 09:29:26 PM
In what mode are you getting (2000x720) ?  is it on 5X or 10X mode, or regular 16:9 aspect ratio?   I was just reviewing some footage that I just shot with the new Unified build it seems that the shadows are really getting crushed, I'm seeing less detail in the shadows than in the May 28th Build.
1. resolution is 2000x750 (can also do 1920x720) in zoom mode - CinemaScope 8/3 - i love it.
at the moment, you can't see what you're shooting which may be why i like it  tracking the framing issue in a separate thread - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6082.msg48288;topicseen#msg48288 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6082.msg48288;topicseen#msg48288)

2. have to shoot more to look for any black crushing.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
The issue can't be fixed once the aliasing got in the digital domain; you just can't fix it in post. Well, maybe if you are Ken Rockwell so you can break some physics laws...

You can also record slightly out of focus. This will work.

Read some signal processing theory before blaming ML or conversion tools or whatever other software things.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
I do hope there something in the conversion, or else my investment is futile.

I did Raw2DNG -> Import to AE CS5.5 -> Save Frame

What version of Raw2DNG are you using? 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
1. resolution is 2000x750 (can also do 1920x720) in zoom mode - CinemaScope 8/3 - i love it.
at the moment, you can't see what you're shooting which may be why i like it  tracking the framing issue in a separate thread - http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6082.msg48288;topicseen#msg48288 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6082.msg48288;topicseen#msg48288)

2. have to shoot more to look for any black crushing.

That's awesome man we are inching away, when you get a chance please check it out. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 08, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
What version of Raw2DNG are you using?

I'm looking into properties of .exe file and there is no info on version. Where can I look up it?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 08, 2013, 09:46:29 PM
The issue can't be fixed once the aliasing got in the digital domain; you just can't fix it in post. Well, maybe if you are Ken Rockwell so you can break some physics laws...

You can also record slightly out of focus. This will work.

Read some signal processing theory before blaming ML or conversion tools or whatever other software things.

Thanks for a nice answer )
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
In what mode are you getting (2000x720) ?  is it on 5X or 10X mode, or regular 16:9 aspect ratio?   I was just reviewing some footage that I just shot with the new Unified build it seems that the shadows are really getting crushed, I'm seeing less detail in the shadows than in the May 28th Build.

Whoe! . . . I did not even care to try it before but yes stable at 2000x750 also!!  Note:  this is 5x zoom mode
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 08, 2013, 09:50:28 PM
Are the zoom 5x mode colors fixed in the new build? I can't fix them in ACR on 28th may footage.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
The issue can't be fixed once the aliasing got in the digital domain; you just can't fix it in post. Well, maybe if you are Ken Rockwell so you can break some physics laws...

You can also record slightly out of focus. This will work.

Read some signal processing theory before blaming ML or conversion tools or whatever other software things.

I have found absolute 0 sharpess in the ML menus combined with 0 sharpness in picture style helps  . . . But I'mnot seeing that much crap like that guy is getting. He shot the worst scenerio possible!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 08, 2013, 09:53:38 PM
Gregory, the build works like a charm. Thank you so much for the hard work you have done. I got 220 frames of full 16:9with a sandisk extreme 60mb/s when with the previous buidl I could only make 50. Good work dude.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on June 08, 2013, 09:54:13 PM
Re-reporting about testing 3 Canon 50D cameras. This morning after going through a series of ML feature sets, specifically global shutter, histogram, and 3:2 display mode, I was able to pass by the 52MB/s recording limit. I am using a 64GB 1000x Komputerbay card, the same card that was writing continuously in a 5:3 aspect ratio on a second Canon 50D camera. Anyway, in my last post I had mentioned that the serial number looked like a much later serial number... It made me wonder if there was some type of Canon factory quality control issue... Rest assured, this is not the case. I had a breakthrough in recording tests after adjusting the ML feature sets and seeing a difference in the write speed per second and also the number of frame captured before the recording stopped. In other words, I was fine tuning the camera. And after shooting about 20 videos in less than 3 minutes and referencing the write speed and frame per second number the camera suddenly began recording upwards of 60MB/s. Interestingly, the tests before, using the same setting as that of the second camera, were only producing a maximum of 54MB/s write speeds. I believe that I was able to reach this recording speed by turning on and off global shutter, histogram, and 3:2 aspect live view mode. It's like the monster woke up by toggling these feature sets on and off. They are now currently turned on. And I have no trouble recording at any resolution.

Sorry that I don't have an exact answer as to why the camera wasn't recording continuously past a 2:1 aspect ratio, however, the camera is now capable of writing a 4GB file in 3:2 aspect ratio with 3-4 bars on screen at a stable 67MB/s write speed.

Got the day off from work... Will be testing away!!! Woohoo! Thanks ML! Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 08, 2013, 09:56:33 PM
beyond 1k - my 08June13 build is a cinema camera - getting stable 2000x720 14bit raw video - wow!

Code: [Select]
~/bin/raw2dng /Volumes/transfer/ML-TEST/M08-1349-combined.RAW
Resolution  : 2000 x 750
Frames      : 6979
Frame size  : 2625536 bytes
Frame skip  : 1
FPS         : 24.000
Processing frame 1 of 6979...
Vertical stripes correction:
  1.000  1.000  0.994  0.991  1.000  1.003  0.997  0.994
Processing frame 4679 of 6979...

shooting GD enabled (had to turn off everything)
Hack mode
stable @62.5MB/s

note, it is possible to get your 50D into a very weird state as i did this morning and have it show the Canon GUI.
if you see things like that - reset everything and go through the checklist of settings (which i wish were edited into the first post of this thread)

Whoa, so that's spanning working for you then too? Processed with the cat command I'm assuming?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 08, 2013, 10:10:26 PM
Just tried joining the files in terminal and getting the bizarre switch to pseudo false color at the break in files. Any hope for spanning?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on June 08, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
I have also had issues with aliasing, specifically with ropes on a golf course. There is one way to bring back the aliasing ever so much... In ACR adjust your settings for Chromatic Abboration - - Defringe - - All Edges... - - >It will help take the edge off the color fringed aliased areas.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 10:19:42 PM
@artiswar - yes spanning works - wished the names fell into default bash order but
Code: [Select]
cat M08-1601.RAW M08-1601.R01 M08-1601.R02 M08-1601.R03 > M08-1601-combined.RAW
works fine for me on osx (or use the windows equivalent to concatenate files) - what command did you try?

for those who would like to use the rawmagic 1.0 to convert to cinemaDNG on osx - there is a bug with today's raw files in rawmagic as reported already by @rockfallfilms @goldenchild9to5 - no need for further bug reports or testing - we have to wait a while to try again with Resolve (worked for me with a build yesterday).
files work fine with raw2dng

@araucaria - raw file colors are OK now in zoom mode and process fine.
(with older builds i found that gimp and RPP had easily available black point settings which could render OK images)

@rommex to convert from DNG to tiff or jpeg you may also want to try RPP - http://www.raw-photo-processor.com/ ( Наша группа поддержки http://raw-rpp.livejournal.com/ )

@LEVISDAVIS 67MB/s stable would be amazing

@Nachelsoul - the new build has many more resolutions possible, so on a slower card you can get 16x9 by reducing the maximum width. try the various options in the Raw Rec menu, try 1344 or 1280  see where you get continuous recording
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 10:21:04 PM
I have also had issues with aliasing, specifically with ropes on a golf course. There is one way to bring back the aliasing ever so much... In ACR adjust your settings for Chromatic Abboration - - Defringe - - All Edges... - - >It will help take the edge off the color fringed aliased areas.

Also, Set the Noise Reduction "Color" setting in ACR to 100, and the Color Detail to 0.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on June 08, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
I have found absolute 0 sharpess in the ML menus combined with 0 sharpness in picture style helps  . . . But I'mnot seeing that much crap like that guy is getting. He shot the worst scenerio possible!

Right on Menoc.. that's what I've been doing all along and the images comes out just perfect.. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nameless on June 08, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
Hi Guys,

Fantastic work all round to everyone involved.

Im new to all this but i thought i would run this past you guys with your vast  experience, maybe you can work it out to help the build.

Could you tell me the longest i should expect to get from 3:2 mode in regards to recording time? or any mode at that. Or can someone give me a resolution that they are unable to reach 4gb with so I can test.

Sorry if it is a silly question but i was messing around and stumbled across a way for the camera to continue record for as long as your card can take or at least 10,000 frames at 66.5MB/s. Whilst keeping the stars down.

I find that after this, sometimes the files are accessible and sometimes they are not.

Data is certainly on the card but it doesn't always let me extract the dng's, but that may be down to my process...as im still learning.
I have tried to attach a screenshot showing 25gb at 66.8 mb/s,  but not sure how to lol.

Like i said im not at all knowledgeable in this area so if i sound crazy or there is a stupid obvious reason then its okay...just thought i would run it by you guys first. So go easy on me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 08, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
@artiswar - yes spanning works - wished the names fell into default bash order but
Code: [Select]
cat M08-1601.RAW M08-1601.R01 M08-1601.R02 M08-1601.R03 > M08-1601-combined.RAW
works fine for me on osx (or use the windows equivalent to concatenate files) - what command did you try?

Did the same, do you have to enter the directory of the file along with the name? (Noob question).

Heres the frames
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2Fbinerq.png&hash=905c469fe0fe6d666cb9d36a64295d13)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2ypmf5g.png&hash=a32021f30e0541d609b0e70433448d51)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 08, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
I have found absolute 0 sharpess in the ML menus combined with 0 sharpness in picture style helps  . . . But I'mnot seeing that much crap like that guy is getting. He shot the worst scenerio possible!

Any sharpness settings only affect what you see on the liveview screen, being a raw file?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
@artiswar - yes spanning works - wished the names fell into default bash order but
Code: [Select]
cat M08-1601.RAW M08-1601.R01 M08-1601.R02 M08-1601.R03 > M08-1601-combined.RAW
works fine for me on osx (or use the windows equivalent to concatenate files) - what command did you try?

for those who would like to use the rawmagic 1.0 to convert to cinemaDNG on osx - there is a bug with today's raw files in rawmagic as reported already by @rockfallfilms @goldenchild9to5 - no need for further bug reports or testing - we have to wait a while to try again with Resolve (worked for me with a build yesterday).
files work fine with raw2dng

@araucaria - raw file colors are OK now in zoom mode and process fine.
(with older builds i found that gimp and RPP had easily available black point settings which could render OK images)

@rommex to convert from DNG to tiff or jpeg you may also want to try RPP - http://www.raw-photo-processor.com/ ( Наша группа поддержки http://raw-rpp.livejournal.com/ )

@LEVISDAVIS 67MB/s stable would be amazing

@Nachelsoul - the new build has many more resolutions possible, so on a slower card you can get 16x9 by reducing the maximum width. try the various options in the Raw Rec menu, try 1344 or 1280  see where you get continuous recording

. . .and if you're the type that does does not like the command line, you can use a hex editor to combine the files. I use "Hex Fiend", it's light and fast and loads >4GB files with no problem. All I do is copy and paste the hex code of the spanned files at the end of the first .RAW file, then save the  new file with a new name or to a different location.

Now with file spanning working, unlimited recording is possible . . . Interviews and narratives are a go!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 08, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
@artiswar yes, you need to
Code: [Select]
cd DIRECTORY_OR_PATH_WHERE_THE_FILES_ARE
to the directory where the files are or include the directory (or path) as part of the "cat" concatenate command.
Code: [Select]
cat /Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.RAW Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.R01 Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.R02 Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.R03 >  ~/Desktop/M08-1601-combined.RAW

where is the weird frame from ? the very last frame or somewhere in the middle.
have not tested enough with today's gamechanger build, but i have seem corrupt frames near the end of files in other builds.
Did the same, do you have to enter the directory of the file along with the name? (Noob question).

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 11:13:52 PM
Any sharpness settings only affect what you see on the liveview screen, being a raw file?

You're right. RAW is only affected by Exposure settings. The effect you see is being done by your RAW converter . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 08, 2013, 11:16:27 PM
Another test with the latest build, this time at 25fps:

Global draw on
Raw histogram on
Sound set to OFF in raw video menu
Waveform on (not sure if waveform is relevant in RAW mode or not?)

Write speed 59mb/s
Komputerbay 64gb 1000x

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on June 08, 2013, 11:22:44 PM
Pushing 67MB/s no problem with Komputerbay 64GB 1000x... Had to go through every setting and look at each and every sub-menu. I turned off anything not related to video... I'd be more specific but there are so many menus and adjustments... However, it's good to know there is a that much room for writing files, right?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on June 08, 2013, 11:25:43 PM
I do use histogram, global draw, "Under 3:2" in the live view menu and also set my frames per second to low-light frame rates. This is all with the latest build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
Is RAWMagic working for you guys with combined files??
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 08, 2013, 11:30:05 PM
@artiswar yes, you need to
Code: [Select]
cd DIRECTORY_OR_PATH_WHERE_THE_FILES_ARE
to the directory where the files are or include the directory (or path) as part of the "cat" concatenate command.
Code: [Select]
cat /Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.RAW Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.R01 Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.R02 Volumes/EOS_Digital/DCIM/100CANON/M08-1601.R03 >  ~/Desktop/M08-1601-combined.RAW

where is the weird frame from ? the very last frame or somewhere in the middle.
have not tested enough with today's gamechanger build, but i have seem corrupt frames near the end of files in other builds.

Weird frame is towards the end of the files but exists for a good chunk, seemingly the spanned portion.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 08, 2013, 11:48:04 PM
I do use histogram, global draw, "Under 3:2" in the live view menu and also set my frames per second to low-light frame rates. This is all with the latest build.
What if you set FPS override to exact fps?

I think 'low light' is not ment for video, but to make the visibility better when shooting in the dark. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 08, 2013, 11:57:41 PM
Weird frame is towards the end of the files but exists for a good chunk, seemingly the spanned portion.

Make sure when you're addressing you're home folder you start with the tilda (~). Such as:  ~/Desktop/M08-1441.RAW
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Ifani on June 09, 2013, 12:05:05 AM
You're right. RAW is only affected by Exposure settings. The effect you see is being done by your RAW converter . . .

hm i think i dont understand, why turning sharpness in ml menus down if it doesnt affect raw recording.
also picture styles dont have an influence on raw recording do they?

i would appreciate a less sharper image due to the problem of alaising (in my eyes the only "problem" of the 50D raw)
apart from that, its imagequality is just mindblowing and high prieced like.
reverence
greetings and big thanks:)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 09, 2013, 12:17:56 AM
What if you set FPS override to exact fps?

I think 'low light' is not ment for video, but to make the visibility better when shooting in the dark. Correct me if I'm wrong...

23.976 is better to work with when you sync with audio recorded at 48khz. Most everything digital is shot at 23.976 to avoid the extra step of slowing film shot at 24 to 23.976  for digital . . . But it's not set in stone. You can shoot at true 24 as well but you'll have to get your audio sped up or slow to sync it with the video.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 12:27:38 AM
23.976 is better to work with when you sync with audio recorded at 48khz. Most everything digital is shot at 23.976 to avoid the extra step of slowing film shot at 24 to 23.976  for digital . . . But it's not set in stone. You can shoot at true 24 as well but you'll have to get your audio sped up or slow to sync it with the video.
You can use FPS override 'exact fps' at 23.976 (or something very, very close at least I think. You have to tweak the clock a bit in the fps override settings). I just thought using the 'exact fps' option would make more sense than 'low light'.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 09, 2013, 12:30:41 AM
hm i think i dont understand, why turning sharpness in ml menus down if it doesnt affect raw recording.
also picture styles dont have an influence on raw recording do they?

i would appreciate a less sharper image due to the problem of alaising (in my eyes the only "problem" of the 50D raw)
apart from that, its imagequality is just mindblowing and high prieced like.
reverence
greetings and big thanks:)

Well, I was wrong in saying that sharpness affects RAW - it doesn't. Basically, RAW is only affected by your exposure settings like aperture and shutter. When you open a RAW file in a RAW converter such as ACR, then ACR will apply some default secondary settings such as sharpness. So, the best way to avoid moire is like Alex said, avoid that sort of environment, shoot a bit defocused or use a filter - which is not available for the 50D at this point.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 09, 2013, 12:35:52 AM
You can use FPS override 'exact fps' at 23.976 (or something very, very close at least I think. You have to tweak the clock a bit in the fps override settings). I just thought using the 'exact fps' option would make more sense than 'low light'.

They called it "Low light" because it does help in low lighting situations.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 12:44:52 AM
Doesn't it mean it helps you to view the live view better in low light situations? Live view is 1/30 by default. Say you a shooting at 1/15 sec (photo) you can use fps override low light to get the actual 1/15s preview. That's what I understand at least.

Just noticed that on the june8 build you can choose exact fps at 23.976 - so I'm using that. Probably low light at 23.976 does exactly the same.

Firing up the new build... Results soon!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rue on June 09, 2013, 12:48:38 AM
Finally had a chance to quickly try out the June 8th build

:-) :-) :-)

I'm getting a rock solid 2000x800 with write speeds maxing out at slightly below 66 MB/s. And this with my Komputerbay card benchmarking way below Gregor's. Also works with GlobalDraw on, all features underneath explicitely set to "off".

Great work, Gregor! Thanks!



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 09, 2013, 01:34:35 AM
How do I set 2000x800? If I go into the size options and try to change anything it just defaults back to 1584x892
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 09, 2013, 01:38:40 AM
5x zoom only.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rue on June 09, 2013, 01:40:34 AM
2000x800 is set in 5x zoom mode with 2048 width and Aspect Ratio 2.5:1 (you will only be able to access these settings if you activate LV, then zoom 5x and then go into the ML RAW menu)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 09, 2013, 01:51:46 AM
Ah right, thanks for that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 7thRest on June 09, 2013, 02:16:09 AM
With the June 08 build, on start up I'm getting a ML/DATA/FONTS.DAT retry...

As descriptive as the error is, I get a font (in ML menu) that may be understood by someone living over the greater seas. How shall it be rectified?

By the way, thanks for the work guys -I purchased a 50D and am thinking of selling the 60D for another 50D plus cards -have been using ML for a year now and have not looked back despite the naysayers.

Edit:

Followed these instructions and it solved the problem:

should load on top of my 28May13 build, smeangols or ML 2.3 -
re-format card
delete ML Config
replace AUTOEXEC.bin
replace MODULES folder
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 09, 2013, 02:57:14 AM
I predict we could do at least 2K RAW or better if we can get 10-bit recording to work . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: KahL on June 09, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
Using the latest unified build from today myself. Very stable, even when filming the full 1:1 frame of the sensor. I'll definitely be using this feature for plate shooting now for a 2.35:1 re-frame :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on June 09, 2013, 03:32:05 AM
i tried the build of today without good results.
maybe because i don't know where to look at.

did the scripts folder.
loaded the raw_rec module

but i can't figure out how to start recording in raw or define what resolution to use. no place to be found for these 2 issues.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on June 09, 2013, 03:46:26 AM
forgot to write that the magic.sym doesn't seems to load.

i erased magic.cfg so ML can make a fresh one. without any results


the 28th may is working. i chamged the raw_rec.mo for the one of today but got the vram_clear_lv failed to link modules message
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Frerichs on June 09, 2013, 03:53:12 AM
Using the May 28 build and the settings recommended throughout this post, I did a test run and posted the video on Vimeo.  I have a Lexar 64Gb 1000X card and was able to record at 16:9 at 57mbps without filling the buffer but had issues at 3:2 at 71mbps and couldn't achieve more than 450 frames before stopping.

I used an external SmallHD monitor via HDMI and had weird intermittent frame garbage.  I'll post a DNG of the weird magenta blown frame.  Happened in both 16:9 and 3:2.

Workflow was RAW>raw2dng>Photoshop RAW>TIFF>Quicktime>FinalCut 7. 

Shot with a Moller Bolex 1.5x anamorphic lens and Zeiss 80mm f/2.8.

Not a valid vimeo URL
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Frerichs on June 09, 2013, 06:25:10 AM
You might notice in some of the clips (
) a slight jump, which looks similar to a dropped frame. 

I didn't notice the magenta blips in the camera display, but when hooked up to a SmallHD HDMI external monitor, I saw the attached frames.  Not consistent and sometimes 1, but usually not more than 3 in a 30-second span.

Happened with both 16:9 at 1600 using all the recommended settings as well as 3:2 at 1600.  Pretty consistent and roughly 90% of my RAW files have them. 

Examples:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationstarfish/8993240548/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationstarfish/8993241174/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationstarfish/8993241934/
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 09, 2013, 07:34:02 AM
Global draw etc off. the first 3 files were fine at 59mb/s then the write speed dropped on any further files i tried to record.

Formatting in camera didn't change anything but repartitioning and then formatting put the write speed back to 59mb/s

Hey can you tell me more about partitioning the CF card? I think I can do it though disk utility (mac) but what will this do / what size partition and what format FAT etc? Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Fioritura on June 09, 2013, 08:55:24 AM

6. Not 50D specific, but I find it a real pain to autofocus in video mode, and usually only do it at the start of a shot. So what I tend to do, (if not manually focus0 is turn liveview off, autofocus the camera the 'normal' way, (as this works very quickly) and then switch it back to liveview and go from there. Would it be possible to automate this sequence? Live view off > autofocus > focus confirmation > liveview on? Assuming anyone else would find that handy of course. If that could be automated to a half shutter press or something, it would be freaken sweet.

You need a high resolution external monitor to get the focus right when filming HD video. I believe there's no way around that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Roman on June 09, 2013, 09:03:10 AM
Not really, if the focus isnt changing through the shot.

It's just that the above is the quickest method.

 (I have a lilliput monitor but dont use it if I can help it)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: araucaria on June 09, 2013, 10:30:35 AM
A quick test, worst case scenario for me, high DR and very fine detail and shot with a pretty bad 28-70 canon 3.5-4.5 at f9 (waiting for nikkon adapter). I got a lot of aliasing. I made some slides which turned out to be horrible but at least you can see the movement which induces aliasing.
1592x636 1:1 mode, build May 28th. Had to shoot in this low resolution as I'm still stuck with some old 4gb 32mb/s card.

Workflow. raw2dng->AfterEffects->h264 (I tried to compile the compositions and use them in PremierePro but I was getting strange speed jumps)

I fixed the alisasing with defringe option in ACR and sometimes with NR ,color 100, colordetail 0, although you have to be careful not to kill your colors.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 09, 2013, 10:49:54 AM
You might notice in some of the clips (
) a slight jump, which looks similar to a dropped frame. 

I didn't notice the magenta blips in the camera display, but when hooked up to a SmallHD HDMI external monitor, I saw the attached frames.  Not consistent and sometimes 1, but usually not more than 3 in a 30-second span.

Happened with both 16:9 at 1600 using all the recommended settings as well as 3:2 at 1600.  Pretty consistent and roughly 90% of my RAW files have them. 

Examples:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationstarfish/8993240548/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationstarfish/8993241174/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationstarfish/8993241934/

I get this with a monitor connected too.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 11:29:58 AM
Hi guys,
Firstly, @GregoryOfManhatten - Excellent work on your latest (Unified) build. I did receive your email and I'll update the first post to reflect developments. Sorry I couldn't do it sooner but I've had a very tough week at work. (UPDATE: First post now updated)

I finally got my CF cards earlier this week and had about 10 mins to try them out. My Komputerbay 64gb was DOA (neither the camera or card reader would recognize it) so that's gone back and my temporary solution of a Kingston 600x could only manage 40-45MB/s in-camera and only 61MB/s with Crystalmark on a Transcend USB3 reader (http://www.transcend-info.com/products/Catlist.asp?modno=331). I would not recommend the Kingston cards for raw video but they are great value for H.264.


Obviously I was a bit annoyed and impatient to wait another couple of weeks for a working Komputerbay card so I did some research yesterday and found that the Transcend 600x cards should do the job (90MB/s max write speed). I bought a 16gb card this morning and I'm happy to report it writes flawlessly up to 60-65MB/s in the 50d (2000x750 shoots continuous). The Transcend 1000x card looks like it will be even better but beware that you need at least the 32GB card or greater as the 16GB 1000x card is considerably slower than the 600x. If my replacement Komputerbay card has any issues I'll just stick to Transcend cards.

BTW I noticed a few posts about battery life when shooting raw video. If you purchased a 50d secondhand with batteries your should consider buying new ones. Look for replacements rated at least 1700mAh as they will last longer and charge faster than original Canon batteries. I recommend Phottix if you can get them.

I suppose I should go shoot something now  ::)


p.s. @JulianH - No luck yet with finding a J9 but I'm looking ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on June 09, 2013, 11:55:56 AM
... Been processing footage in ACR... Adjusted the output setting from Screen to Glossy Paper... Final images had vertical streaks in the image... Thought it was associated with the camera's native recording. Discovered that it was not the issue when I processed footage via RawMagic (doesn't work properly with 50D and utilizing the current June 8 build). Anyway, had posted earlier that it was an inherent factor in a shooter's ability to capture greater bit depth and image resolution... Good thing for tests, right?

... The ETTR technique (exposure to the right) is really pushing the boundaries of dynamic range and image resolution. Just sort of hanging back and thinking about a fast work-flow post-production procedure and of course proper file spanning. (Note: have not shot over 4GB yet and need to test. It appears that other users have spanned files and yet others haven't.)

The quality of the footage is really driving my abilities as a shooter into a whole new light. I'm quite satisfied with how well the camera consistently responds scene after scene.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 09, 2013, 01:35:35 PM

BTW I noticed a few posts about battery life when shooting raw video. If you purchased a 50d secondhand with batteries your should consider buying new ones. Look for replacements rated at least 1700mAh as they will last longer and charge faster than original Canon batteries. I recommend Phottix if you can get them.


Having battery issues myself. Just wondering what the average usage time was for the folks out there?
My first 2 canon batteries that arrived with the 50D were only lasting 2 mins and 10 mins.. so ordered a new (non canon) and it worked well for first day, but then the charger was saying full, but the camera said 1/3 and not enough to update firmware. I'm leaving it on charge for ages and seems to get a bit more from it, hoping to get the full icon like the first day. Have been counting to 5 before removing CF card also..

So, how long shooting time do you get from you batteries? Canon and others?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 09, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
My batteries last about 30 mins but they came with the camera so are probably old. I've just ordered a couple of duracell replacements so I'll see how I get on with those.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 09, 2013, 02:36:20 PM
My batteries last about 30 mins but they came with the camera so are probably old. I've just order a couple of duracell replacements so I'll see how I get on with those.

Sweet, thanks for that. I'm used to my 7D batteries going for ages! I have read somewhere that as 50D not designed for video, it will use a lot of power (live view etc)  All good though.

Got 2 more batteries on the way so will be sorted soon enough. Still would be good to get some more input. Anyone using NEW Canon batteries out there? How long you get out of them shooting RAW video?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 09, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
What are people using to nail exposure, raw histogram? raw zebras?

What do the numbers in the red circle mean on the histogram?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 09, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
1. raw file format was refined slightly yesterday and some of the post processing tools need to be updated to use the latest raw2dng code so you may experience temporary issues with your favorite tool (as did those who tried rawmagic beta 3 yesterday which is better now that Thomas Worth released beta 4)

2. pink frames - may be related to the glitch in the matrix caused by these changes to raw
seem to be gone in a build i tested with this morning's code - 11GB without the pinkness (i.e. no pink glitchy frames as artiswar and others have posted).
(do get alIaSiNG which we will need to shoot around on the 50D)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: savale on June 09, 2013, 03:43:30 PM
Sorry guys, less progress on this side. I guess my komputerbay 1000x 64gb is defective. I cannot get stable transfers using 2 different cardreaders (get IO timeouts) and in raw recording mode It suddenly stops recording / crashes during recording (while I have descent speed and just one star buffer)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: jakub on June 09, 2013, 03:52:27 PM
Hello,

here is my my 50D RAW Video test:

Do you know how to get rid of the problem that sometimes exposure is automatically controlled by the camera itself?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 09, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
recovering footage with black borders.
for footage from older builds before we fixed the black borders on the raw frames, the "black point" is incorrect in resulting DNG files and it is difficult to process them.
if you want to use such shots, i would process them to 16bit tiff with gimp.org (cross platform) which has a slider on one of the color curve windows you can use to shift the black point then try out the batch tools to get it to process a directory full of tiff files.
on the mac you can also try RPP with the Black Point at some really large value, like 10.0

zoom mode for cinemascope -  known issues are covered in another thread.
 Topic: 1k 50D raw cinemascope difficult when LiveView not showing 2000x750 8/3
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6082.msg44905#msg44905 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6082.msg44905#msg44905)
framing is not correct
display is magenta (pink) no matter what Preview Mode you are in (auto, canon, ML Grayscale, or Hacked)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 04:23:26 PM
Latest build working well for me :) but I think there may be an issue with the exposure warning message. I'm only using manual lenses so I'm not sure if this is relevant when using electronic lenses but when I see the over exposure warning and stop-down the over exposure warning increases by a stop (i.e. it's doing the opposite of what it should be doing). Can anyone else confirm?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 04:26:17 PM
What exposure warning message?!

You have full manual exposure, right?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rommex on June 09, 2013, 04:28:40 PM
A quick test, worst case scenario for me, high DR and very fine detail and shot with a pretty bad 28-70 canon 3.5-4.5 at f9 (waiting for nikkon adapter). I got a lot of aliasing. I made some slides which turned out to be horrible but at least you can see the movement which induces aliasing.
1592x636 1:1 mode, build May 28th. Had to shoot in this low resolution as I'm still stuck with some old 4gb 32mb/s card.

Workflow. raw2dng->AfterEffects->h264 (I tried to compile the compositions and use them in PremierePro but I was getting strange speed jumps)

I fixed the alisasing with defringe option in ACR and sometimes with NR ,color 100, colordetail 0, although you have to be careful not to kill your colors.
...vimeo....

wow, this is AMAZING! thanks for showing this. I hope I will overcome my moire problems )
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 04:30:27 PM
@A1ex Yes, full manual. I'm seeing a black bar with 'preview over exposed by 0.5 EV'. If I stop down 1 stop it increases to 1.0 EV if I increase shutter speed it changes to 1.0 EV (sorry, meant if I change shutter speed the warning changes. If I stop down, the warning message remains at 0.5 EV)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 04:35:02 PM
That happens if you ask for some exposure parameters that are out of range (usually if you have FPS override on, which limits shutter speeds a lot).

And... you are in photo mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 04:39:46 PM
@a1ex - ah ok, I get it. Thanks! :) I have FPS override on. BTW, I'm curious to know how we can now have 2k width when DNGs were previously restricted to 1920? It shoots stable at 2000x750 up to 25fps for me 8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
See here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215

I'll restrict raw video to movie mode to avoid this kind of mistakes. The raw backend does behave differently in photo liveview, because... I'm assumming you are taking pictures in photo mode, not videos.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 04:50:54 PM
I don't have video mode enabled (haven't actually tried H.264 on the 50d yet LOL). Will restricting it have any impact on the length of shots I can get? Photo mode seems very stable to me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 04:58:07 PM
You must enable it. In photo mode, most the raw stuff (white levels, histogram) behaves differently, it's optimized for getting a histogram that matches the CR2 pictures. For raw video, this can cause severe exposure issues.

In photo mode, you are not even getting the exposure values from menu (not even in expo override mode), you are just getting something with equivalent brightness (ExpSim). And white level on the raw files recorded in photo mode will be wrong.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 05:03:16 PM
Well that's something i didn't know :D Thanks.

I assumed if it was working in photo mode then it was ok. I just did my first few shots 2000x750 and it's looking great although exposure wasn't exactly doing what the meters were telling me. I'll try again now with video mode enabled.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 09, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
1. raw file format was refined slightly yesterday and some of the post processing tools need to be updated to use the latest raw2dng code so you may experience temporary issues with your favorite tool (as did those who tried rawmagic beta 3 yesterday which is better now that Thomas Worth released beta 4)

2. pink frames - may be related to the glitch in the matrix caused by these changes to raw
seem to be gone in a build i tested with this morning's code - 11GB without the pinkness (i.e. no pink glitchy frames as artiswar and others have posted).
(do get alIaSiNG which we will need to shoot around on the 50D)

Exciting stuff. When should we see this trickle down to non developers? Still joining files in Terminal?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 06:10:42 PM
Oops.. I've been working with Movie mode disabled as well! (explains why I couldn't really understand the way exposure worked in live view I guess) Thanks for the tip A1ex. Turning it on by default when raw rec is enabled makes sense!

Giving Auto ETTR a spin now. I'm working with a manual lens, the variables are iso and shutter speed. I can set a minimum shutter speed, but can't change the iso limits and it doesn't seem to go higher than 1600.

Is it possible to use AutoETTR with a fixed shutterspeed (and manual aperture)? Baiscally that would be auto iso, but still, that sounds the most practical to me for video.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: rockfallfilms on June 09, 2013, 06:19:48 PM
I've also had movie mode turned off, that explains why my exposure hasn't been consistant.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: krashnik on June 09, 2013, 06:25:04 PM
Sweet, thanks for that. I'm used to my 7D batteries going for ages! I have read somewhere that as 50D not designed for video, it will use a lot of power (live view etc)  All good though.

Got 2 more batteries on the way so will be sorted soon enough. Still would be good to get some more input. Anyone using NEW Canon batteries out there? How long you get out of them shooting RAW video?

I have owned a few 50Ds for a couple of years.  The battery life is phenomenal and I would base all your issues on old or cheap batteries.  I use Canon originals, then also 2200mAh replacements designed for CNBP511.  Bought for about $11 each on Amazon a few years back & still going strong. 

I have shot over 500 hours of 1080p video footage on the same batteries for my film production company where each charge lasts approximately 90 minutes per battery.  With the 50D charger, this is up to 3 hours per charge using Magic Lantern.  You could argue that this was HD and not RAW, but I've also used the 50D as an actual camera with over 2,000 shutter actuations per charge over the course of 5 hours on various swimsuit photoshoots.

The short: this camera is a tank & I'm glad to see so many other users finally realizing it is the hidden gem in the Canon lineup.  My photos with it: OpenVase (http://openvase.com) - video with it on my Youtube (http://youtube.com/krashnik).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 06:33:02 PM
By enabling Movie Mode the live view is forced to a 16:9 crop. So when recording 4:3 or 3:2 a part of the image is blocked by the GD info and/or black bars. Can't find a way to change the live view settings for movie mode either.

On another note: I seem to have lost a buffer star. 5 available now, used to be 6. Malloc numbers are the same as before though and double checked settings in the Canon menu (jpg, all custom functions related to image quality off).
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 06:37:58 PM
Can't really help with that, this is how ML looks in movie mode on all cameras. You can try a custom cropmark.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 06:39:07 PM
Thanks A1ex, will do. Turning off global draw also helps.

/edit: just found out I can clear overlays with half press for example, that would be good so I can just clear it during framing.

Good thing about Movie mode turned on, the aperture now actually changes during live view with electronic lenses :) (doh!)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 07:42:28 PM
@JulianH - I've got 6 buffer stars with Global Draw enabled just for the raw histogram. Enabling movie mode doesn't seem to affect anything in so far as frame amounts etc but it looks like it's cured the pink screen in 5x crop (WB must be set correctly or it does get a bit pink so it seems to act as a good warning to set it) and (of course) exposure now seems to work correctly.. all of a sudden the colors just sing!

For the LV problem try playing around with display settings - Display > Advanced Settings (might help if you haven't already been there).


Loving this 2k Cinemascope. I seem to be getting about 10-15% more frames than the setting suggests and hitting about 62MB/s write speed. Maybe it's card related, I dunno but I seem to have golden settings ATM.  8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ashtrai on June 09, 2013, 08:12:06 PM
@JulianH - I've got 6 buffer stars with Global Draw enabled just for the raw histogram. Enabling movie mode doesn't seem to affect anything in so far as frame amounts etc but it looks like it's cured the pink screen in 5x crop (WB must be set correctly or it does get a bit pink so it seems to act as a good warning to set it) and (of course) exposure now seems to work correctly.. all of a sudden the colors just sing!

For the LV problem try playing around with display settings - Display > Advanced Settings (might help if you haven't already been there).


Loving this 2k Cinemascope. I seem to be getting about 10-15% more frames than the setting suggests and hitting about 62MB/s write speed. Maybe it's card related, I dunno but I seem to have golden settings ATM.  8)

Do you know what the equivalent cropfactor is in 2000x750 5x mode?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: artiswar on June 09, 2013, 08:32:11 PM
Do you know what the equivalent cropfactor is in 2000x750 5x mode?

I believe its a bit over 3x. Could be mistaken. That puts it in the BMPCC territory.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
Loaded a fresh battery and got my 6 stars back. Don't know if it's related but I'm happy :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 09, 2013, 09:00:53 PM
artiswar more like 4 - isn't it?
4572x3168 maximum resolution (wikipedia)
4752/1920 *1.6 = 3.96

for the 2000 wide (mistake) it would be 3.6 crop factor

JulianH - i always see magenta in zoom mode no matter what the white balance - unless i do a G/M Shift of between +7 and +10 Green - then it can look correct to my eyes

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: ashtrai on June 09, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
I believe its a bit over 3x. Could be mistaken. That puts it in the BMPCC territory.

artiswar more like 4 - isn't it?
4572x3168 maximum resolution (wikiepdia)
4752/1920 *1.6 = 3.96

for the 2000 wide (mistake) it would be 3.6 crop factor

JulianH - i always see magenta in zoom mode no matter what the white balance - unless i do a G/M Shift of between +7 and +10 Green - then it can look correct to my eyes

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
Same here Gregory.
Why is 2000 a mistake? It seems to work fine? Any disadvantages to it compared to 1920?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 09, 2013, 09:10:27 PM
from a question Andy600 asked
See here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215

I'll restrict raw video to movie mode to avoid this kind of mistakes. The raw backend does behave differently in photo liveview, because... I'm assumming you are taking pictures in photo mode, not videos.

 is a1ex is saying he will disable these unusual widths for raw video mode, as they should only be there for photos (silent pics) or is he saying that he will automatically activate movie mode when you turn on raw video or both or ...? - we will see soon enough.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: GregoryOfManhattan on June 09, 2013, 09:12:24 PM
Same here Gregory.
Why is 2000 a mistake? It seems to work fine? Any disadvantages to it compared to 1920?
a disadvantage is you will have to scale video for one of the current "standard" output formats.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 09, 2013, 09:13:12 PM
White level/stuff like that is different for movie + photo... so there is a faux movie mode he made to fix the indicators if you're shooting video and not pictures. Otherwise indicators and maybe black level detection would have been wrong.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 09:13:56 PM
He means restrict raw video to movie mode because I wasn't using movie mode. Maybe he will enable movie mode by default when raw recording is enabled... It's one less thing to remember to do before hitting record :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 09:17:17 PM
Have I got this right? Shooting in crop mode only uses the left part of the sensor?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 09, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Ahh.. well that restriction isn't really a restriction.

It probably uses whichever part of the sensor you want... depending on where you move the zoom box. That seems to be the case on other cameras.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
Ah, I disabled the zoom box  ::) It must have retained the last used settings
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Rolfe Klement on June 09, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
Amazing new build!

In M video mode - I ran the RW test then starting flipping around in LiveView (with global draw on, focus assist, magnify at 3:1 and histogram on) before RW test had finished. Camera got hot quite quickly. To the point where I had to unplug and get batteries out. But since then all OK!

Also excuse my ignorance but I got the 9th Jun build but can't get up to 2000 pixels by anything. I am running KomputerBay 64gb 1000x. IN M mode with ML Exp locked for my EF Canon lenses...

thanks

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 09, 2013, 09:32:04 PM
I got about 3000 frames at 1920x818 and then my FPS randomly dropped to 21 FPS again while recording. When it happens, my exposure shifts slightly and the buffer goes to *. When I stop recording and go into the menu it looks like this:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F9h5n4j.jpg&hash=fe2f2060664460de3696d54a0143fba7)

It takes 1 or 2 reboots to get back to 23.976 FPS. It only seems to occur in 5x zoom. Other than this little issue and the pink 5x zoom, the camera is performing incredibly well. I can get around 830 frames at 2000x852 before dropping on my Komputerbay x1000. Truly impressive.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Viente on June 09, 2013, 09:48:53 PM
+1 in the 50D RAW army :)

Just got the body for very cheap price, pretty much used but im going to replace some parts soon, so it will be like a new :)

Anyway i'll be glad to heavy test RAW video and provide as much info as possible.

Im going to shoot music video tomorrow, so can't wait to check it out in action!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdNs65S7.jpg&hash=906d2fc69f6220cee5bfe469a3ce0585)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 09:49:06 PM
@evanamorphic: Your actual FPS is on 21.723? Why not put it on exact fps (optimize for) 23.976?

@Viente: welcome to the happy 50D owners club :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Viente on June 09, 2013, 09:54:46 PM
In 600D RAW menu  there is an opion to start shooting after desired number of seconds which is very handy! Is it possible to do something like this on 50D?
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 09, 2013, 10:03:27 PM
@evanamorphic: Your actual FPS is on 21.723? Why not put it on exact fps (optimize for) 23.976?

@Viente: welcome to the happy 50D owners club :)

I'll try optimize for 23.976 for awhile to see if it still occurs. I seem to get more frames when using the other optimize settings, I guess it's a trade off.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 10:06:45 PM
You might get more frames because the camera is actually shooting at a lower framerate?

- Again, correct me if i'm wrong.. this whole fps override thing with so many options is puzzling me a bit. To me the only logical choice seems 'exact fps' - since that's what we want to get after all..
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 10:15:40 PM
You don't have to use the advanced mode ;)

Also, can you check for cpu usage when FPS override is on? Exact FPS does a bit of searching through all these timer combinations, so there may be surprises.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 09, 2013, 10:26:13 PM
It just happened in "Exact FPS" as well. I couldn't tell when it occurred though.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F5kfrrn.jpg&hash=d75e6f2a51bc5e1396d0bd8d1085d5f0)

When FPS Override is on, CPU usage is at about 26% with LiveView on, and all overlays disabled. When FPS Override is off, CPU usage is between 28-29%
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 10:30:33 PM
@evanamorphic where are you getting 22 fps from (it says 23.976 from 22) It should say 30 Ignore this, I re-read original post  :-[
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 10:31:15 PM
@Evan: your actual FPS is still weird...
Did you tweak your fps timers A+B? mine are on 686 and 1751, that gives me exact 23.976.

You don't have to use the advanced mode ;)
Just trying to help...
Or am I wrong that it isn't advisable to use an actual fps lower than 23.976?

Will check the cpu usage.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Andy600 on June 09, 2013, 10:43:05 PM
removed after re-reading the post I was trying to answer
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
I've fixed a similar FPS problem on 5D3 a few days ago.

@JulianH: you said FPS override is too complex. There is a beginner mode and an advanced mode, use the one corresponding to your skill level ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 09, 2013, 11:07:21 PM
I believe its a bit over 3x. Could be mistaken. That puts it in the BMPCC territory.

Using 1920x1080 pixels in 5x mode would yield a crop factor of about 3.975. The sensor area being used is a little bit smaller as a regular 16mm film frame. Already did some calculations concerning this earlier in this thread.

I think the 50D is far more flexible now than the BMPCC. I'm so glad that these developments here happened before buying one.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 09, 2013, 11:08:13 PM
Quote
In 600D RAW menu  there is an opion to start shooting after desired number of seconds which is very handy!

Yup, that will be in.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 09, 2013, 11:17:59 PM
Btw, I also had time now to test the June 8th build.

Compared with May 28th build, I now have to switch off the RAW zebras and the colour histogram to yield a comparable performance. My KomputerBay 32GB card maxes out at 62-63MB/s in 5x zoom mode, 1920x818.

On the other hand, the framing and recording issues in 5x zoom mode are gone now.

It seems also that initially, the write performance is way lower, up until you run the "Card Buffer Benchmark" test in the Debug menu for about 1-2 mins, with LiveView turned on. It seems that ML picks then the best buffer size for your card.


Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 11:21:06 PM
Raw zebras are CPU intensive. Before you had YUV zebras with zero cpu. Just turn them off while recording.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 09, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Raw zebras are CPU intensive. Before you had YUV zebras with zero cpu. Just turn them off while recording.

Thanks for the clarification! Do you think it would be worthwile to make this option switchable in RAW recording mode, or are the YUV zebras too imprecise for any useful application in RAW mode? I personally found them useful to make quick changes to my exposure settings when the lighting conditions changed constantly.

EDIT: AARGH, I'm dumb, just found out how to switch to YUV Zebras...  :-\
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: 1% on June 09, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
That timing slowdown commit caused err70 on 600D for evf state, esp with MZ... but was good for Digic V. DigiIV I think the raw zebras hurt more than help.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 09, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
@JulianH: you said FPS override is too complex. There is a beginner mode and an advanced mode, use the one corresponding to your skill level ;)
Not saying it is too complex. I see different people using different settings though and I didn't think using something like 'low light' or having an actual fps that is lower than your desired one would make sense if you're shooting video at a certain framerate. I just couldn't confirm it. Anyway, I RTFM: http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/userguide#fps_override and it seems to do pretty much what I thought it would.



Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Viente on June 09, 2013, 11:52:26 PM
Yup, that will be in.

Thanks! I'll also will donate to Julian asap. Need to recover some money after purchase.

Wow! resolution in crop mode (2000x852) is just amazing! After 600D it looks like dreams come true lol :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: necronomfive on June 10, 2013, 12:01:09 AM
Another update: when the KomputerBay 32GB card is warm, I get a constant 65.5 MB/s write speed in 5x zoom mode, allowing to shoot about 1450 frames in 1920x876 mode.

In standard 1x zoom mode, 1584x1056 at 66.9 MB/s is no problem.

So, as I thought, at this point, the limiting factor in the 50D seems not to be the CF controller, or the card, but the DMA bandwidth being left available in Live View 5x / 10x zoom mode. No matter what resolution you choose for recording, DIGIC4 always seems to write 2000x1080 pixels to SDRAM in 5x mode, which puts a heavier burden on DMA bandwidth than 1x mode in 1584x1056.

If one could alter that value to match the recording size, I think recording between 1920x872 and 1920x960 continuously might become possible with the 50D.

But, as it stands now, being able to record RAW, uncompressed video in 1920x818 on a 5 year old DSLR ist just plain amazing!
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 10, 2013, 12:10:48 AM
No more need for donations (to me) Viente. Everything is covered! Thanks anyway :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 10, 2013, 01:39:29 AM
I know you guys like cinemascope... Me too, but I shoot 2650x1058 ;)


Gregory's June 8th build.

Shot at 1472x1058, de-squeezed in post by 1.8x

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 (mostly at 1.4. Bit of 2 and 2.8) + Isco Optic Ultrastar Anamorphic.
Everything at ISO 3200 1/48 - No tripod around so had to put the rig on the floor/walls etc.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoshd.com%2Fcomments%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Falbum_64%2Fgallery_20742_64_199823.png&hash=f1dbad648369e86abc3d7a9059da830c)

The 50D + anamorphic is an awesome combo. I love the possibility to shoot in anamorphic friendly aspect ratio's!

Quick CineForm workflow:
- Convert with RAWanizer to Cineform 444 (I have the trial of Cineform premium installed...)
- Open Cineform studio, import files.

The converted iso 3200 files look pretty bad in Cineform. I didn't want to take the slow ACR/Bridge route so fiddled around a bit. Found a setting that looks pretty nice and the noise doesn't look bad. Settings:

Input lut - Protune
Output lut - R-space
Color Matrix - neutral

Thats about all the grading I did. Lowered the contrast a bit on some dark shots.
Then open the Cineform clips (without exporting them) in Premiere, edit and export...
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: menoc on June 10, 2013, 02:58:13 AM
What are people using to nail exposure, raw histogram? raw zebras?

What do the numbers in the red circle mean on the histogram?

Give Auto ETTR a try . . .
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: evanamorphic on June 10, 2013, 03:01:51 AM
I have no idea how you've gotten RAWanizer + CineForm combo to work... My results with that workflow are completely unusable.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: novielo on June 10, 2013, 03:09:04 AM
What recent biuld you guys are hsing that seems to work so well?
I tried the june 8th build but with out succes.

Can't get the raw tab in the video menu. Even if i load magic.sys
Raw_rec.mo
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: John-Jo on June 10, 2013, 04:39:59 AM
I have owned a few 50Ds for a couple of years.  The battery life is phenomenal and I would base all your issues on old or cheap batteries.  I use Canon originals, then also 2200mAh replacements designed for CNBP511.  Bought for about $11 each on Amazon a few years back & still going strong. 

I have shot over 500 hours of 1080p video footage on the same batteries for my film production company where each charge lasts approximately 90 minutes per battery.  With the 50D charger, this is up to 3 hours per charge using Magic Lantern.  You could argue that this was HD and not RAW, but I've also used the 50D as an actual camera with over 2,000 shutter actuations per charge over the course of 5 hours on various swimsuit photoshoots.

The short: this camera is a tank & I'm glad to see so many other users finally realizing it is the hidden gem in the Canon lineup.  My photos with it: OpenVase (http://openvase.com) - video with it on my Youtube (http://youtube.com/krashnik).

Thanks so much for the info. I think I either have a faulty battery, or possibly a faulty charger? Hoping not an issue with the body.
Had my new aftermarket battery (7.4v  2500mAh)   on charge overnight and yet when I put it in the 50D the icon was only showing the last 3rd, and camera would not update the firmware as bat level too low.

The 2 Canon batteries although would work for 5-10 mins when they first got here now don't even hold a charge.

Have got 2 batteries on the way hoping to shed some light on the subject for me.

Is there a way to show battery % other than the top LCD screen?

Frustrating as all hell!!!    :-\       Need to test more variables. 

Thanks in advance for any help on this matter.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 10, 2013, 05:41:05 AM
This is my first quick test with my new 50D. Using the 28May build. No problems at all, except the aliasing normal issues.
Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: JulianH on June 10, 2013, 11:35:17 AM
I have no idea how you've gotten RAWanizer + CineForm combo to work... My results with that workflow are completely unusable.
I use Cineform Studio Premium and set RAWanizer to Cineform 444 .mov
The resulting files look crap when opened in Mediaplayer Classic (VLC doesn't play them at all) but in Resolve or in Cineform Studio Premium it looks good.

With the free version and Cineform 422 I can't get it to work either. Premiere just crashes if I load the converted files.

Currently I'm on the 15 days trial of Cineform Studio Premium, I like the workflow, but not the pricetag ($299) so I hope I can get it to work with the free version for quick edits / proxies.

Title: Re: Raw video on 50d and 40d
Post by: krummi on June 10, 2013, 12:44:52 PM
Hey everybody

Been following this thread as well as many others in the RAW development realm for the last couple of weeks and I feel that it is now time to finally pick up a camera to shoot with. I didn't feel like I should star