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Experimental builds (WIP) => a.d. & pravdomil's 5D2 builds => Topic started by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 05:27:13 PM

Title: 5D2 RAW video Builds 14-Bit
Post by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 05:27:13 PM
5D2 BUILDS WITH RAW_REC MODULE
Maintainer: a.d. & pravdomil

Download the latest zip file
Obsolete link removed - Please use the official nightly builds //Audionut
Source
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/

Nightly Build
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/

Extra features
raw_rec: 1880
mlv_rec: crop marks for GLDraw Off

Modules:
arkanoid, autoexpo, dual_iso, ettr, file_man, mlv_rec, mlv_play, mlv_snd, raw_rec, silent

Photo
Auto exposure (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0) (credits pravdomil)

Dual ISO (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0) (credits a1lex)
WIN:
CR2 Files need to be in the same folder with cr2hdr.exe + dcraw.exe + exiftool.exe
They should have a simple file name and no special char
Drag & drop the CR2 files over cr2hdr.exe
OSX:
Drag & drop the CR2 files and folders over cr2hdr

2014/02/14
63b2f145cb3b
+ Memory Backend: more meory for ML and less conflict with Canon (credits a1ex)
+ mlv_rec +mlv_snd: Refactoring for full card recording (credits g3gg0)

2014/02/04
75649ffe291b
2014/01/14
2b804e8cdd3c
2014/01/06
f93150508421
2013/12/30
b71322bb883c
2013/12/02
c44ceb8452f2
2013/11/16
d84b9cd9e86f
2013/10/24
af9a60fe144d
2013/10/11
a76fa4b23ad2
2013/10/04
f620a8f2b27d
2013/09/26
ce9fb256205c
2013/09/20
4b3129d5a739
2013/09/13
f5c083059e9b
2013/09/10
26f79287de2b

New To Magic Lantern RAW Video ?
5D2 Alpha One is a complete editon for beginners. The main idea is to create a starting point package.
5D2_Alpha_One.pdf (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_Alpha_One.pdf)
5D2_Alpha_One.zip (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_Alpha_One.zip)

Post processing
+ Exif> Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D Mark II

OSX https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes.zip
WIN https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip

Joining files
WIN
    Start dialog: cmd
    1. cd C:\Users\my_destination_folder
    2. copy /B xyz.RAW+xyz.R00+xyz.R01 xyz.RAW

OSX/LINUX
    Start Terminal
    1. cd /Volumes/my_destination_folder
    2. cat xyz.RAW xyz.R00 xyz.R01 > xyz.RAW

    Tips: cmd and Terminal support drag & drop => Don't need to type!


Many thanks to all MagicLantern devs!
No warranty!


Video Tutorial

raw_rec: How to Install on 5D Mark 2 from Chris ( Boygetslost (http://www.boygetslost.com))


mlv_rec: 14Bit Raw+ Audio from David Miazga (reddeercitytv) (http://reddeercitytv.ca)


ToDo:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19XsIAn4pxZ5xCBW5CQrsPP-bSoup87GLQ7CHzebBYFI/edit?pli=1
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: haysuess on May 20, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
Thanks for this. Unfortunately I can't get more than 155 frames out of a Transcend 400x 32GB card at 1280x720 and 24fps.

I've tried every build, and all possible settings.

My card benchmarks used to show 45-50MB/sec write speed, now they are all saying 20-25MB/sec write speed. Even when the benchmarks were higher, I still could not get more than a couple hundred frames at 1280x720 and 24fps. WTF could have happened?

I formatted the card both in camera and in Windows and reinstalled ML and no change in benchmarks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 06:30:39 PM
Many thanks to all devs!


2013/05/20
3ab36d8a50de (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads)


Known Issue:

# HaCKeD still not working for 5D2


Interesting fixed:

# Colour accuracy
# Exif : Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D Mark II ( download the new raw2dng_exe.zip)
# bad pixels via DIGIC
# Magenta cast in 5x & 10x magnify


Performance tip:

LV in movie mode

Thank you a.d.

Will test asap.

As for the raw2dng file you included in that link, what exactly was wrong with the previous, it seemed to have worked for me in different resolutions.
Ted
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
Confirmed no more pink cast in 5x and 10x magnify.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 06:42:04 PM
Thanks for this. Unfortunately I can't get more than 155 frames out of a Transcend 400x 32GB card at 1280x720 and 24fps.
...
I'm not familiar with Transcend, but did you 'ever try to set your LV in movie mode?

...

As for the raw2dng file you included in that link, what exactly was wrong with the previous, it seemed to have worked for me in different resolutions.
..

It adds Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D Mark II to the DNG
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 20, 2013, 06:44:55 PM
Getting a load module error on this latest build on 5D2.

props at: 0x00000000
cbr at:     0x00980108

Hmm gets worse, updated to latest nightly (20th), and ML won't load.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
@mvejerslev

1. Unload modules now
2. Autoload modules on startup OFF
3. switch off
4. switch on
5. Load modules now...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
I'm not familiar with Transcend, but did you 'ever try to set your LV in movie mode?

It adds Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D Mark II to the DNG

Pardon my ignorance a.d. what do you mean by "set LV in movie mode" ?
where in the menu do you do this? You mean the canon menu?(live view/movie func.set) ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 20, 2013, 06:57:38 PM
A.D. Unload modules does nothing, the procedure you outlined was the first thing I tried. Installed latest nightly and now ML wont boot at all.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on May 20, 2013, 07:00:54 PM
Thank you, a.d.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
where in the menu do you do this? You mean the canon menu?(live view/movie func.set) ?
Yes!
Live View/Movie func.set>Stills+movie>Movie dispay

@mvejerslev
you need to reformat your CF and install it again
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: olik on May 20, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
Thanks a.d. for compiling us always the newest builds for the 5dmk2 :-)

Has anyone tried to open the DNGs in this build with resolve because there is a chance that it might work now;

From todays changelog:
89e62d808902 | alex: DNG: removed thumbnail, does it open now in DaVinci Resolve?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 20, 2013, 07:33:50 PM
Thank you for your support and work on this A.D. I got it working :-)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 07:56:55 PM
I highly recommend the tutorial from CrewOfOne
http://5dfilmmaking.com/05/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-5d2/

Update:
Ah, we post at the same time.  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: wl_kicker on May 20, 2013, 08:00:08 PM
will stop recording after about 80 frames with 1880x1080 25fps, the CF card is sandisk 90MB/s 32GB...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: savale on May 20, 2013, 08:36:00 PM
Successfully recorded a 30 second movie at 1880x720@24 on a Komputerbay 64gb 1000x card. I don't even know if it's aligned, but it worked smooth. Insane quality  8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 20, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
If I shoot in 10x crop mode, I get alternating (two different) frames from different time. The image is also no more cropped than 5x. I'm likely doing it wrong, I had the impression I could shoot at both 5x and 10x mag.

Good news is I havent gotten any actually corrupt files with latest raw2dng so far.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 20, 2013, 09:44:18 PM
My two cents,

I got 201 frames with this newest build at 1880 x 1080

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 09:47:02 PM
My two cents,

I got 201 frames with this newest build at 1880 x 1080

This is with your lexar 1000x ?  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 20, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
This is with your lexar 1000x ?  :)

oops, sorry.  Forgot to mention that.  Yes, I have a Lexar 1000x 16gb card.  Also, I was getting weird abrupt color shifts before this build, that seems to be OK now.  Must do more testing to corroborate.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: olik on May 20, 2013, 11:59:07 PM
My two cents,

I got 201 frames with this newest build at 1880 x 1080

how many frames was it in previous build for you?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 21, 2013, 12:12:48 AM
how many frames was it in previous build for you?

I don't have the exact number but if I remember correctly it was almost immediately.  Now is a little bit over 8 seconds.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 21, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
Any suggestions to bypass the limit of 4GB?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 21, 2013, 06:29:08 PM
Any suggestions to bypass the limit of 4GB?
5D2 is FAT and not exFAT like on 5D3
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: olik on May 21, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
Has anyone tried with the new build to import the DNGs with davinci resolve?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: wl_kicker on May 21, 2013, 06:56:11 PM
the new Raw2dng_resolve.exe still can not work with resolve..
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 21, 2013, 07:35:25 PM
Thanks I will correct the post! It seems Davinci Resolve doesn't like thumbnail in DNG (source (http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/277/22358#24269))
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 22, 2013, 05:58:48 AM
Thanks for the update.

Someone in this thread http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5419.275
reply # 285
posted this image using build 21 version and show black spots,http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/993/raw1j.png

Is this the digic issue on bad pixels which I read was addressed in the change log?




Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bronson on May 22, 2013, 01:59:03 PM
Thanks for this new update a.d.
 8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: savale on May 22, 2013, 02:14:22 PM
Thanks for building :) I will test a new build soon
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Atrakt on May 22, 2013, 02:59:39 PM
I have tested the last build and the raw2dng.exe and I always have the first DNG pink when I convert it, It's normal?
(It's only the first frame, so it's not a big problem...)

My 2 cents contrib ;)

P.S. : again, sorry for my english! ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: olik on May 22, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
Thanks for the new builds!
I do however have a strange new error when using your newest build of raw2dng for mac:


Quote
rm: *.dng: No such file or directory
raw2dng converter GUI for OsX
Beta ver.0.7
/Users/root/Desktop/raw2dng.app/Contents/Resources/script: line 3:   368 Segmentation fault: 11  ./raw2dng "$file_is"
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 22, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
@ted ramasola
You are right. Thanks for the head up! It's the sensor noise. The DIGIC Register provide a fuction to fix that. a1ex (credits: nanomad) already implemented the call to the function 2 days ago.

@Atrakt
I will look after that
Update: I can't reproduce that!

@olik
Just tested on Mountain Lion at it works! Which Version of OSX?
Update: which scrax's version work for you?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: X-RAY on May 22, 2013, 05:23:08 PM
@ a.d.

thx!
tested the new ETTR feature. really nice.
but back to RAW. I got an issue with the current build. when RAW is switched "on" and I zoom to 5x the LV does some weird things and shows a black/white image. at 10x its normal.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 22, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
I think that BW image is a simulation of the coverage of the raw recording feature. Unlike in full frame mode, where you can just show a white box to indicate the crop areas, the zoom mode by itself can't show you the full extent of your crop zone so it has to show a distorted BW image to illustrate the full extent of your frame.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 22, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
@X-RAY
Global Draw on?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: X-RAY on May 22, 2013, 07:20:56 PM
@  Yoshiyuki Blade
So you mean its a feature not a bug? But that wasn't till this build. Didn't it show the real recording-area in 5x-mode before?
Is this a new "feature"?

Global Draw is On. When its Off its not happening.

It seems to occur only after I record in RAW the first time after booting. After that whenever RAW is on and I zoom to 5x it is b/w and kind of weird.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 22, 2013, 07:25:32 PM
Yeah, I think it's related to this change from a while ago:

Quote
ed94a01ee362 | alex: raw_rec: added live raw preview for x5 zoom mode (so you can frame in crop mode); added option for panning in menu (dolly mode)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: nanomad on May 23, 2013, 12:49:14 AM
It could also be related to the af-raw call as we don't really know what it does
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: 1% on May 23, 2013, 01:30:35 AM
Not a bug... this is raw preview. Otherwise you get 5x zoom box completely unrelated to what you're shooting. Do 10x if you want to see color/focus.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 23, 2013, 02:32:58 PM
For those with a 5DmkII and a VAF filter, I tested that the filter is essential at 1x resolution.

However, its mushed up soft when used at 5X crop mode.

Here is a new chart test at 1880 x 1080 & 1920 x 1078 comparing the DNGs with a still CR2 sraw2 frame and also with a chart at h264.

This is using NB may 22.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: tihon on May 23, 2013, 03:02:14 PM
Thanks! Nice test!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 23, 2013, 03:10:13 PM
There is still a little color aliasing without the vaf filter, at crop mode using 5x magnify, there is slight color aliasing but it is minimal compared to no filter at 1x.

So my conclusion is, filter is good at normal 1x.

At crop mode 5x, using a VAF filter softens the image.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: tihon on May 23, 2013, 05:49:00 PM
There is still a little color aliasing without the vaf filter, at crop mode using 5x magnify, there is slight color aliasing but it is minimal compared to no filter at 1x.

So my conclusion is, filter is good at normal 1x.

At crop mode 5x, using a VAF filter softens the image.
Thanks again! This feature is so cool to provide more cinematic fov. How long can you recording in 5x crop mode?

ok it`s 1:1 1920 crop, and what about 2.5 k crop mode, but in 1920px output image size?i think it can be possible. Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 24, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
Built 2013/05/24: why with HaCKeD ON i have better speed? OFF 54/55 MB/s ON 58/59 MB/s.
CF SanDisk Extreme Pro 16 GB 90 MB/s.

Aspect ratio! Wonderful!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 24, 2013, 08:10:38 PM
Interesting! Could you  test it several times?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 24, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Interesting! Could you  test it several times?

Sorry, at the first loading module I had a worst speed (i don't know why) then the rate has stabilized at 58/59 MB/s with HaCKeD ON and OFF...
Don't work...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 24, 2013, 08:53:01 PM
I think ... It's normal behaviour. I notice we need something to kickstart. First RAW Record has always low frames.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 24, 2013, 09:10:09 PM
May 24th seems a bit faster. Now get ~711 frames at 1880x940, where before I was getting 602 frames at 1880x960.

Hacked3d off, Global Draw off, Komputerbay 32gb 1000x
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on May 25, 2013, 01:28:24 AM
Man you're still outgunning me on these write speeds -- impressive.

But I just made head-smacking discovery.  Disabling all stock Canon screen overlays via the "info" button gives me a boost from 59-60MB/sec to a solid 63-64MB/sec with the Komputerbay 64GB.  I can now hit the 4GB limit on today's build at 1720x968.  Amazing.  People, absolutely disable both ML global draw *and* all Canon overlays for max write speed!

Note that my Lexar 32Gb 1000x still doesn't max out at 1720x968.  It's always a touch slower than the Komputerbay.

Regardless I have to wonder what other simple fixes I may be overlooking that may account for the write speed differences I'm seeing from people with the same exact card.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bronson on May 27, 2013, 09:46:06 PM
Thanx a.d for your update ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 27, 2013, 09:52:54 PM
Hazer,

>Disabling all stock Canon screen overlays via the "info" button

Assuming 5DII, could you explain what you mean by canon overlays and how to disable? Thanks!


Never mind.. Live View mode..
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on May 28, 2013, 05:38:08 AM
Yep, 5D2 -- sounds like you've figured it out, but yes, when in Live View just cycle through the "info" button until all the Canon graphics go away.  In my case this makes the difference between between short clips and unlimited filming at 1720x960.
Title: delete feature on build may 27 very risky
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 06:55:57 AM
I'm testing build may 27 for 5d2 file  bfd891fe53ab.zip   and here is my observation so far.

The delete feature is a nice feature but currently it is very risky.

scenario:
Shoot several clips raw video, say clip 1 2, 3.
Go to ML menu>raw video menu>video file (this shows NO VIDEO FILE as default)
Click SET to show first clip, M0000000.RAW,
Say you want to delete 3rd clip so you turn the main scroll wheel to go to M0000003.RAW
then you ROLL down to select DELETE then press SET to delete video size but file remains but 0kb in size. This is ok for now, also note WAV file remains unchanged and not deleted.

But here is the risk,
While selection in still in DELETE if you happen to roll the TOP SCROLL WHEEL, the clips be DELETED 1 by 1. ! THIS IS RISKY as you think you are selecting the clips but in fact they are already deleted without warning.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 28, 2013, 08:55:21 AM
You are right. I'll remove the delete function for now until we have a better concept.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 09:18:37 AM
You are right. I'll remove the delete function for now until we have a better concept.

Thank you for your prompt reply a.d.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Manonthemoon on May 28, 2013, 07:10:41 PM
I am getting the bad, stuck color pixel problem from the 27th build on my 5DII, but I do not have that problem when I go back to the 24th build. I have not tried the 28th build yet so I do not know if that addresses the issue. Not sure if anybody else is having this problem but just wanted to say something.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 28, 2013, 08:44:47 PM
I've just tested to take about 5 shots with around 300 frames from yesterday build and I have no corrupt frame so far.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: 1% on May 28, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
Quote
You are right. I'll remove the delete function for now until we have a better concept.

Just have it delete the last file and leave the chunks alone I guess... either way file manager works now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 08:58:27 PM
Just have it delete the last file and leave the chunks alone I guess... either way file manager works now.

Yes, I agree with this, after a take, when you know it was bad after review, its logical to have it delete last file only.
Though ideally it would be a nice feature to be able to select and delete. And ideally the wav as well.


a.d.

I prefer the joystick press for raw record rather than the star since there are 3 buttons beside each other and easy to confuse.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 28, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
@1%
The file browser is great
@ted
Do you think, it's better than the LV Button?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 28, 2013, 09:05:07 PM
I think the joystick is better than the LV button. Because the LV button has a logical function already, and because I can reach the joystick button with my thumb with my hand in regular position - the LV button is waaay over on the other side of the camera!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 09:10:09 PM
I think the joystick is better than the LV button. Because the LV button has a logical function already, and because I can reach the joystick button with my thumb with my hand in regular position - the LV button is waaay over on the other side of the camera!

mverjerslev is correct on this reason.

The LV button is so out of the way. The Joystick is near the thumb and in certain situations a shooter can choose between h264 (SET) or raw (JOYSTICK).

For handheld run and gun shooting, the joystick is logical.

Many shooters shoot barebones, just handheld with a Vfinder.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 28, 2013, 09:14:42 PM
agree with mvejerslev and ted! I also have my problem with the LV button!  ;D
On the other hand the joystick is in conflict with the panning mode!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on May 28, 2013, 09:19:35 PM
All cameras use the LiveView button for recording, except 5D2. Since the module code is designed to be portable, I don't see an easy solution to this, other than also adding the SET button as an alternate REC button.

Edit: took a closer look, and I can't just define BGMT_REC as BGMT_PRESS_SET without breaking the SET button.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: 1% on May 28, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
+1...Set is doing too many things already. 600D/6D/everyone else uses LV for H264.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 28, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
'Set' and joystick press is not the same thing on 5DII. Set is in the middle of the wheel, the joystick is above the wheel and have a press function as well. Works well with the 'alternative' raw build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 09:52:16 PM
'Set' and joystick press is not the same thing on 5DII. Set is in the middle of the wheel, the joystick is above the wheel and have a press function as well. Works well with the 'alternative' raw build.

This is correct and was convenient when it was implemented on an earlier build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on May 28, 2013, 10:16:01 PM
+1 on *not* using the LV button for recording.  Maybe I'm missing something, but this makes it impossible to turn off live view to save power when raw recording is enabled.  i.e. Hitting live view always triggers recording.  The Pravdomil build solves that problem elegantly with the joystick.

Between the joystick and the AF button, I'd prefer the AF button.  I have accidentally triggered raw recordings when simply using the joystick to check focus in 5x/10x modes.  The AF button would be a much more solid press with less room for error.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 28, 2013, 10:24:38 PM
Panning mode on: Joystiq
first click stop the motion, second click center the window

It's late now, tommorow I'll do the two hacks. I hope we'll get more people to talk.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 28, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
I think the panning mode is a bit crude. Is anyone using it? Enough for it to take up a button?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
I think the panning mode is a bit crude. Is anyone using it? Enough for it to take up a button?

I agree. This is too fancy to be useful like built in filter effects. I agree this should not be a priority over using it for record activation.

The joystick is approximate to the start/stop buttons of newer cams like 7D, 5D3, etc.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Raelic on May 29, 2013, 04:32:19 AM
mverjerslev is correct on this reason.

The LV button is so out of the way. The Joystick is near the thumb and in certain situations a shooter can choose between h264 (SET) or raw (JOYSTICK).

For handheld run and gun shooting, the joystick is logical.

Many shooters shoot barebones, just handheld with a Vfinder.

Only downside I can think of to the joystick is the fact that it is also used for panning when in the zoomed mode for raw recording (slow pans etc). I would not use the Joystick to start and stop recording for this reason alone being one might accidentally bump it and stop recording. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Raelic on May 29, 2013, 04:34:54 AM
I think the panning mode is a bit crude. Is anyone using it? Enough for it to take up a button?

I've used the panning mode actually, and it is pretty nice. I would not like to see this overwritten as a record alternative.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: marten on May 29, 2013, 11:34:28 AM
Between the joystick and the AF button, I'd prefer the AF button.  I have accidentally triggered raw recordings when simply using the joystick to check focus in 5x/10x modes.  The AF button would be a much more solid press with less room for error.

Please, don't use the AF button :) It's really helpful to me when I quickly want to set focus before I shoot.

To turn of the LV mode I just turn the program dial to either c1, c2 or c3. Don't think I have anything special programmed to them, but it turns of the LV mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 29, 2013, 10:52:57 PM
Built 29th may, some corrupt frame...

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdcmakecreative.altervista.org%2FDNG000055.jpg&hash=695f1ef82cbb46695292613aacae63d2)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on May 30, 2013, 12:09:35 AM
Hi all  :)
I just Tested the New Build (9eaa84d45f7b) for the 5D2
i have manage to record 1880x852 24p full card no Frame Drop
which is a Lexar 32GB_1000x. I'm in the process of checking for bad frames.
i check the preview in camera, works will, but can not control the playback.
would be nice stop play back at only time. I do like the Lv button for raw record its feels
more natral there. At less for me.
All in all very nice build at this point its Stable to put the the 5D2 in daily production
with RAW.

Update:
i just check all the frames, every thing looks Ok until frame 8926 of 10461 from that point there is pink  noise
on alternating frames until the end.
i recorded until the Card was full and stop recording on its own which was 30GB.
it seams that when you let the card fill up, it has problems with pink noise,
on shorter files i don't see this problem.
on record i only had 1 to 2 buffer Star at only time,  file was recorded @ 64.2 MB/s
i will try a lower setting  and stop before the card fill up totally

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on May 30, 2013, 02:12:02 AM
Quick test with this build for the 29th -- I'm seeing write speeds of 68-69MB/sec on the KomputerBay 64GB 1000x.  Very nice indeed.  And optional AF-button use for recording.  Fantastic!  Thanks for this.

The Live view image is still active i.e. not frozen/hack3d during record.  Has that feature been activated yet on the 5D2?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 30, 2013, 08:33:34 AM
Thank you a.d.

The option which recording button to use is a nice touch. :)

Works as advertised. Tested with more than 4gig files. After breaching 13 gig at 1880x800 I knew it was already stable so I stopped recording. I was able to combined and open the files of more than 4,000 frames.

One bug is the playback within the file manager module doesnt seem to work and shows garbled characters on screen.

Delete functions work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: t2scorp on May 30, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
Quick test with this build for the 29th -- I'm seeing write speeds of 68-69MB/sec on the KomputerBay 64GB 1000x.  Very nice indeed.  And optional AF-button use for recording.  Fantastic!  Thanks for this.

The Live view image is still active i.e. not frozen/hack3d during record.  Has that feature been activated yet on the 5D2?

I still have awrite speed around 62-64 MB/s
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 30, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
@all with corrupt frames
Thanks for the bug report. The fixed of the pink cast in magnify caused corrupt frames (I'm guilty!), so we need to live with it for now. (Credits a1ex)
I've just added the support of global draw on!

@Hazer
It still doesn't work for 5D2! I removed it!

@ ted ramasola
You are welcome.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on May 30, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
I still have awrite speed around 62-64 MB/s

Are you using a 1000x card?  If so, make sure of the following:

*Global draw is off
*Photo quality (in the stock Canon menus) is set to JPEG "L" and Raw photos are off
*All stock Canon on-screen graphics are turned off -- i.e. enter live view and press the "info" button until the screen is clear.

In a few subsequent tests I was getting around 67MB/sec but either way this is pretty strong performance.

@a.d.
Is it that we haven't figured out how to disable LV during recording yet on the 5d2, or is the 5d3 simply the priority and we haven't had time to port that feature yet?  Because if that saves a few more MB/sec, we can probably use full-res HD 1880x1060 for at least 1000 frames before buffering out.  Which would be pretty cool!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 30, 2013, 05:15:59 PM
You could use global draw on, if you like to, it automatically switch off during the recording.
What do you mean "disable LV"?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on May 30, 2013, 07:52:24 PM
Sorry -- was referring to hack3d mode, where the LV display does not update video during record.  If I understand correctly, this is worth a couple MB/sec write speed.  Which would be really helpful if we could get that working on the 5d2.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 30, 2013, 08:35:28 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to put this info, but with today's build I was able to get 741 frames at 1880x940 and stable until my card filled up at 1880x854.

5d2 with a 16gb lexar 1000x
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 30, 2013, 09:39:49 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to put this info, but with today's build I was able to get 741 frames at 1880x940 and stable until my card filled up at 1880x854.

5d2 with a 16gb lexar 1000x

That is almost the same as my tests with May 29 build by a.d with 32gig lexar 1000x.
With ml menu=global draw off, stills menu=no Raw+jpeg "L"

1880 x 1058   365 frames

1880 x 940    1,406 frames

1880 x 854    stable/continuous

1720 x 968    stable/continuous

1720 x 860    stable/continuous

1280 x 720    stable/continuous

Crop mode 5x NO FPS over ride.

1280 x 1078   138 frames

1880 x 1058   156 frames

1720 x 968     305 frames

1600 x 900     830 frames

1440 x 810    stable/continuous

Crop Mode WITH FPS Over ride. Thanks Noix222 for the heads up.

1920 x 1078   268 frames

1880 x 1058   372 frames

1720 x 968   stable/continuous
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on May 30, 2013, 10:39:27 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to put this info, but with today's build I was able to get 741 frames at 1880x940 and stable until my card filled up at 1880x854.

5d2 with a 16gb lexar 1000x

Was there only corrupt frames with the full card record?
i did a full card @ 1880x854 24p and the last 2500 frame of 10600 had alternating Pink color Frames with some
structure. I got a new Lexar 1000x 32GB, i'm going to test the new built today &
see if this happen on a full card record ;)
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 30, 2013, 11:57:24 PM
Was there only corrupt frames with the full card record?
i did a full card @ 1880x854 24p and the last 2500 frame of 10600 had alternating Pink color Frames with some
structure. I got a new Lexar 1000x 32GB, i'm going to test the new built today &
see if this happen on a full card record ;)
 

the only trouble I'm having is that I am working of a Mac, I can't find the raw2dng that open files bigger than 4gb for Macs.  Any idea where can I find that?

thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 01:41:24 AM
the only trouble I'm having is that I am working of a Mac, I can't find the raw2dng that open files bigger than 4gb for Macs.  Any idea where can I find that?

thanks

If the one linked on the 1st post of this thread does not work,
try the one linked on the first post of this other thread:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on May 31, 2013, 04:08:08 AM
you should get same recording frames with normal and 5x recording if you turn fps override ON [24fps|exact fps]...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: thearc on May 31, 2013, 04:08:50 AM
Got 64 frames at 1880 X 1058 with a 64GB Wintec filemate pro (90mb/s read 45mb/s write)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 04:43:30 AM
you should get same recording frames with normal and 5x recording if you turn fps override ON [24fps|exact fps]...

oops forgot about FPS over ride when doing crop mode. Thanks.  I'll update my results above.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 06:27:58 AM
Another nice feature of recording in Raw mode is that on my SWIT HD monitor, the resolution won't drop down to SD when recording!
In fact there is now no delay.

The bug is, it hangs the camera if you try to view the footage with HDMI cable attached ( ERR 70 )

The crop marks is not centered though and pushed to the left.

This would be good for focus pulling. :) Not for framing.

Things I also miss,

the proper frame view when in crop mode (5x)

the blacked area outside borders implemented by Pravdomil here; http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0

I'm still using may 29th build by a.d since I don't have corrupt frames and I don't want pink cast image in 5x and 10x.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 06:31:23 AM
Quote
I'm still using may 29th build by a.d since I don't have corrupt frames and I don't want pink cast image in 5x and 10x.

You are recording the results of Canon's edge detection algorithm overlaid on top of the raw image (people reported this as lots of bad pixels). This is the price to pay for non-pink preview. Sorry, I don't have a cleaner solution for this, so don't be afraid of pink cast for now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 06:54:44 AM
You are recording the results of Canon's edge detection algorithm overlaid on top of the raw image (people reported this as lots of bad pixels). This is the price to pay for non-pink preview. Sorry, I don't have a cleaner solution for this, so don't be afraid of pink cast for now.

Ok, I tested may 30th build.

The LV framing when in crop mode is now implementing a low res but proper framing for what will be recorded in B/W no pink cast.
However, upon start of recording the LV image reverts to pink cast with offset framing.

This is not ideal when the shot is moving.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on May 31, 2013, 07:14:50 AM
Now i'm getting All Pink Noise Frames Now :-[
This with the (d93b64292277) built from may 30th

i will go back to the May 29th & try a full card record @1880x800 and see if it happen agian :-\
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 07:23:13 AM
However, upon start of recording the LV image reverts to pink cast with offset framing.

If you keep globaldraw on while recording, it will not revert. I remember reading it's auto-disabled in some custom builds though, but I don't recommend doing that (sure, you can add it as an option).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 07:28:57 AM
If you keep globaldraw on while recording, it will not revert. I remember reading it's auto-disabled in some custom builds though, but I don't recommend doing that (sure, you can add it as an option).

Tried it with or without global draw.

With global draw:
During preview= proper framing low res B/W
During record= offset framing high res pink cast

No Global draw:
During preview & record = offset framing high res pink cast.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on May 31, 2013, 09:05:25 AM
Will i'm having all Pink noise frames on a 21 GB file. :-\
when i recorded a short 265 Frames @1880x800 24p
No problems at all everything look like it should, but when you combine the 4 GB file together
to make a Big file All the frames are Garbage all pink noise >:(
Can anyone Shed some light on this?
i turn off everything you can i'm still using the may 30 built.
i have no Drop frame & only 1-2 buffer star at only time
is it the "total commander" Software or a bug in Writing the smaller 4 GB file?
Thanks in advance
can't work on this only more tonite time to  sleep
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: blackroom on May 31, 2013, 10:06:55 AM
same here all pink noise on spanned files with 30th build. tried 29th build same thing. i just overwrote 30th ml files with 29th maybe that's not good? is this corrupted footer issue?
non spanned shots are fine. komputerbay 64 gig 1000x.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 10:50:24 AM
using may 30 build posted by a.d.

Spanned files more than 4gig in size, the following observation.

1.) If I use "copy/B file 1+ file2 new filename" method in command prompt to combine 2 files then extract
Frames would be ok until 1:01:06  after that everything is pink noise. I tried this with 2 separate recordings. My estimate based on the frame number is that the second spanned file is corrupted.

2.) Using the same files as above,  I use drag over raw2dng.exe method, by dragging the 2nd file in the span. They would all extract but upon opening in ACR all frames are pink noise.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 10:55:18 AM
What file sizes do you get? (exact values)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 11:02:05 AM
What file sizes do you get? (exact values)

xxx .RAW file is at 4,185,570 KB
per DNG frame is 2,857 KB

this is at 1720 x 968 16:9
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Exact values in bytes please, for all files you've got from the camera.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on May 31, 2013, 11:20:17 AM
xxx .RAW file is at 4,185,570 KB
per DNG frame is 2,857 KB

this is at 1720 x 968 16:9
Stupid question maybe... but as the processor is not used in this case for converting to h264, could there not be the possibility to encode directly into dng or is the buffer to small for this?
Cheers
Clemens
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 11:32:01 AM
Exact values in bytes please, for all files you've got from the camera.

all the DNGs extracted are the same at 2.78 MB (2,925,230 bytes)
the first .RAW file is 3.99 GB (4,286,023,280 bytes)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 31, 2013, 12:49:07 PM
Build 717c5fb95219

Resolution  : 960 x 960
Frames      : 3399
Frame size  : 1612800 bytes
Frame skip  : 1
FPS         : 23.976

split:
M31-1122.RAW   4.280.371.200
M31-1122.R00   1.186.940.097

join:
M31-1122.RAW   5.467.311.297

confirm.
The Playback works well with out a glitch.
0000-2637       ok
2637-3398       corrupt
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on May 31, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
So, 5D2 does not write anything if it would exceed 4GB, unlike 5D3 which writes exactly 4294967295 bytes.

Try this: if (r == -1) r = 0;

or this: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/d6786d675069
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
reinstalled build may 29 posted by a.d.

first file 3.99 GB (4,286,023,280 bytes)
2nd file 1.28 GB (1,378,170,832 bytes)

single DNG frame 2.81 MB (2,952,080 bytes)

same resolution as previous test 1720x968 at 23.976

timeline length 1:21:00

NO corrupt frames using command prompt join then raw2dng extract method.

Using drag 2nd file over raw2dng method CORRUPT FRAMES/PINK Noise starting at 0:19:17 up to last.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on May 31, 2013, 01:45:09 PM
it looks good.
4.294.967.295  8)
I'm on USB2 it takes times before confirm!

Update:
works with OSX+WIN
I'll update the build + converter in the next release
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 31, 2013, 01:47:40 PM
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Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 31, 2013, 08:56:47 PM
Hey guys,

So I tried the latest raw2dng for MAC and it won't open any files, not even of a few seconds.  This is the "error" I'm getting.

raw2dng converter GUI for 5D2
Beta ver.0.3
/script: line 10:   506 Segmentation fault: 11  raw2dng "$fldr$name".RAW


All it does is it creates a folder in my desktop with the name of the RAW file and does nothing else.

On a separate note, with the latest build for the 5d2 I'm getting 272 frames at 16x9 = 1880x1058.  That's the most I've gotten since RAW became a reality.  Using  Lexar 1000x 16gb.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 31, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
Tried latest Raw2DNG, and there's no camera profile in the files! There used to be at least the camera make and model in the exif, and camera Raw needs this info for its noise profiling etc.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 31, 2013, 09:36:32 PM
Ehm. reverted to my last functioning raw2dng, and Bridge still doesnt see exif data in my DNGs... For camera Make it says 'Canikon'. What could I be doing wrong? Same ML and Raw module I've used before with success. Perplexed.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: NitromanX on May 31, 2013, 10:25:34 PM
@ Kabuto1138

Good news about 14bit 1880 x 1058 recording duration of 272 frames. Is that at 24 or 25 fps ?

What made you buy Lexar 1000x CF card ? They are pretty expensive compared to Komputer Bay / Transcend cards ? I'm looking to buy new card and wonder which to get. :)

Is there still a 2Gb limit on raw to .dng files with Mac using ML converter ? Is it possible to use the free Adobe raw to dng converter ?

I've just installed ML today and would like to try raw recording soon.  ;D

Is it likely that we will ever get perpetual 14bit raw recording with 5D2 ?

 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: TekAzurik on June 01, 2013, 12:49:32 AM
Hey guys,

So I tried the latest raw2dng for MAC and it won't open any files, not even of a few seconds.  This is the "error" I'm getting.

raw2dng converter GUI for 5D2
Beta ver.0.3
/script: line 10:   506 Segmentation fault: 11  raw2dng "$fldr$name".RAW


All it does is it creates a folder in my desktop with the name of the RAW file and does nothing else.

I had this same problem with the file from bitbucket, I went to the forum page for the GUI and downloaded the current version there.  That seems to work fine.

I have no problems with smaller files but I am unable to get some combined files for videos over 4gb to read in raw2dng, it comes back with the "This ain't a lv_rec RAW file" error. 

video specs are below:

5d2
5/31 build d6786d675069
transcend 400x 32gb
Global draw on
1320x562
file 1: M31-1319.RAW - 4.294.967.295 bytes
file 2: M31-1319.R00 - 2.255.851.017 bytes
combined file - 6.550.818.312 bytes

I have seen elsewhere people having problems with certain aspect ratios, so I tried 1280x544 and was able to get raw2dng to recognize it.  I haven't tried any higher aspect ratios as these are the only cards I have.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on June 01, 2013, 02:27:33 AM
@ Kabuto1138

Good news about 14bit 1880 x 1058 recording duration of 272 frames. Is that at 24 or 25 fps ?

What made you buy Lexar 1000x CF card ? They are pretty expensive compared to Komputer Bay / Transcend cards ? I'm looking to buy new card and wonder which to get. :)

Is there still a 2Gb limit on raw to .dng files with Mac using ML converter ? Is it possible to use the free Adobe raw to dng converter ?

I've just installed ML today and would like to try raw recording soon.  ;D

Is it likely that we will ever get perpetual 14bit raw recording with 5D2 ?

 

I got the card way before the RAW revolution.  That's the best card I have.  I am dying to get a 64gb card, but still undecided which one to get.  Waiting for more Toshiba 1066x reviews, otherwise I'll get a Komputerbay.  I recorded 272 at 24fps.

You said you want to use Adobe raw to dng converter?  I don't understand that one. 
Title: correct 5d2 exif metadata on OS X?
Post by: Hazer on June 01, 2013, 03:09:22 AM
@a.d.

First, thanks for all the work on the builds and continued updates to this thread -- appreciated.

I see on the first page that "Canon 5D Mark II in Exif" is listed as being added to raw2dng.  However I'm still seeing "Canikon" listed as the camera model.  I'm on OS X.  I've tested this with today's build and also the most recent versions of raw2dng (app and command-line).  Has this not been implemented yet in the Mac builds?

Currently, .dng files do not display the usual Canon picture styles in Photoshop / Adobe Camera Raw, and I think this is because the camera is not being correctly identified.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 01, 2013, 03:15:41 AM
Success ! :) i recorded 5145 Frames @1880x854 24p 13.6 GB (14,656,130,312 bytes)
Joined the 3 segmented 3.99 GB (4,294,967,295 bytes)=9.46 GB (10,163,543,257 bytes
Join A File  with B file 3.99 GB (4,294,967,295 bytes)=13.6 GB :)

Drop on the new raw2dng.exe & everything look Great no more Pink Noise Frame
I still need to do a Full Card Record which is a Lexar 1000x 32GB
to see if there is any frame corruption, that when i had all my problems

i use the May 31st Bulit with the new raw2dng.exe
it looks like there maybe a little Speed increase, i was recording @ 64.2 MB/s
with only 1 Buffer Star ;D  no frame drops.
As long as i have no problem with a full Card record i Have plans to
completely  Film in RAW a 60 Mintue  Documentry about  a Young Street Artist in Central Alberta.
i should get about 8 Mintue per 32 GB card @ 1880x854 24p  ;)

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 01, 2013, 03:29:56 AM
I converted my DNG to tiff with Adobe PhotoShop and Camera
Info is diplay right, but i convert with my Windows PC and edit with my MacPro

You can also use adobe Photoshop Elements to read, edit dng's or convert Tiff
i used it a little slow compared to Full blow Photoshop but works
it also read the MetaData right.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on June 01, 2013, 03:57:33 AM
Success ! :) i recorded 5145 Frames @1880x854 24p 13.6 GB (14,656,130,312 bytes)
Joined the 3 segmented 3.99 GB (4,294,967,295 bytes)=9.46 GB (10,163,543,257 bytes
Join A File  with B file 3.99 GB (4,294,967,295 bytes)=13.6 GB :)

Drop on the new raw2dng.exe & everything look Great no more Pink Noise Frame
I still need to do a Full Card Record which is a Lexar 1000x 32GB
to see if there is any frame corruption, that when i had all my problems

i use the May 31st Bulit with the new raw2dng.exe
it looks like there maybe a little Speed increase, i was recording @ 64.2 MB/s
with only 1 Buffer Star ;D  no frame drops.
As long as i have no problem with a full Card record i Have plans to
completely  Film in RAW a 60 Mintue  Documentry about  a Young Street Artist in Central Alberta.
i should get about 8 Mintue per 32 GB card @ 1880x854 24p  ;)
wait, i've been away on a production shoot. what did i miss about stitching consecutive files together?
how is it done? i  dont have to buy a mark iii now to record past 4gb?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 01, 2013, 04:26:28 AM
I converted my DNG to tiff with Adobe PhotoShop and Camera
Info is diplay right, but i convert with my Windows PC and edit with my MacPro

You can also use adobe Photoshop Elements to read, edit dng's or convert Tiff
i used it a little slow compared to Full blow Photoshop but works
it also read the MetaData right.

Thanks for the feedback.  Sounds like it might be a Win vs Mac thing.  What happens if you use Raw2Dng on your Pro, does the exif still display properly?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: TekAzurik on June 01, 2013, 05:04:43 AM
wait, i've been away on a production shoot. what did i miss about stitching consecutive files together?
how is it done? i  dont have to buy a mark iii now to record past 4gb?

The most recent build starts a new clip once the 4gb limit has been reached.  You can use terminal or command prompt to stitch them together.  On mac open a terminal window in the folder you have the clips, enter the following

cat [file1name].RAW [file2name].R00> [newfilename].RAW

hit enter.  The file will take a bit of time to compile, so don't try to convert it or move it until it shows the right file size.

Don't have a PC but I've seen comments on that process around as well.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 01, 2013, 06:06:52 AM
The most recent build starts a new clip once the 4gb limit has been reached.  You can use terminal or command prompt to stitch them together.  On mac open a terminal window in the folder you have the clips, enter the following

cat [file1name].RAW [file2name].R00> [newfilename].RAW

hit enter.  The file will take a bit of time to compile, so don't try to convert it or move it until it shows the right file size.

Don't have a PC but I've seen comments on that process around as well.

will on the pc Its that easy too, when you get the first 4 GB file and the rest are segmented in 4 GB files
i used "Total Commander" program that joins the file together, there is a Mac Verion i just found at "http://www.codeweavers.com/via/totalcommander8 there is a trial verion there.
then i use the Copy command in a dos window (go to the Start window and type "cmd" )Navigate
to where your 2 files are & input the file names @ the cmd promp type ("copy/B file 1+ file2 new filename" )
just  let it run ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 01, 2013, 06:46:54 AM
Thanks for the feedback.  Sounds like it might be a Win vs Mac thing.  What happens if you use Raw2Dng on your Pro, does the exif still display properly?
Just Run the RAW2DNG on my Pro 
yes it look like it, the only thing i don't see is Len info, and iso rating
i just run a quick test on a frame
i was checking the metadata in Adobe Photoshop Elements verion 9
I'm still looking for a alternative to Adobe workflow, without stepping on the
quality.
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 01, 2013, 07:34:38 AM
Just Run the RAW2DNG on my Pro 
yes it look like it, the only thing i don't see is Len info, and iso rating
i just run a quick test on a frame
i was checking the metadata in Adobe Photoshop Elements verion 9
I'm still looking for a alternative to Adobe workflow, without stepping on the
quality.

Thanks for the test.  I've used RawTherapee on Mac with some success -- it's free / open source so you can give that a try.  The nice thing is that is has numerous command line options, so if you're familiar with scripting (or willing to learn) you can setup a workflow that uses RawTherapee automatically without even opening the program.  Of course these will be automated settings so you will not have as much control as if you opened the app and made manual changes to each clip.

What I'm interested in with the Adobe workflow is having access to Picture Styles, both by Canon and also third party.  Some of these are nice starting points for color grade.  When you did the conversion on your Mac Pro, did you see Canon Picture styles (Landscape, Neutral, etc.) in ACR?  They would be under the "Camera Calibration" tab, and there should be a pulldown there which lists them.

If you don't see them, this is where I think the current build may be omitting the metadata that allows ACR to identify the camera properly.  Unless something is wrong with my setup -- which is entirely possible.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 01, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Thanks for the test.  I've used RawTherapee on Mac with some success -- it's free / open source so you can give that a try.  The nice thing is that is has numerous command line options, so if you're familiar with scripting (or willing to learn) you can setup a workflow that uses RawTherapee automatically without even opening the program.  Of course these will be automated settings so you will not have as much control as if you opened the app and made manual changes to each clip.

I've also been using Raw Therapee for Windows and the CLI is virtually a must for large scale conversions lol. The GUI is so unstable when dealing with thousands of images, I ended up learning how to avoid certain ridiculous crashes by using hotkeys and not touching the batch tab. It seems to crop 4 pixels on each side of the image for some reason too and I haven't been able to find any information on why that is. The great thing about it though is that it can output the raw with no color profile at 1.0 gamma, which is good for it8 calibration.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 01, 2013, 08:49:39 AM
Thanks for the test.  I've used RawTherapee on Mac with some success -- it's free / open source so you can give that a try.  The nice thing is that is has numerous command line options, so if you're familiar with scripting (or willing to learn) you can setup a workflow that uses RawTherapee automatically without even opening the program.  Of course these will be automated settings so you will not have as much control as if you opened the app and made manual changes to each clip.

What I'm interested in with the Adobe workflow is having access to Picture Styles, both by Canon and also third party.  Some of these are nice starting points for color grade.  When you did the conversion on your Mac Pro, did you see Canon Picture styles (Landscape, Neutral, etc.) in ACR?  They would be under the "Camera Calibration" tab, and there should be a pulldown there which lists them.

If you don't see them, this is where I think the current build may be omitting the metadata that allows ACR to identify the camera properly.  Unless something is wrong with my setup -- which is entirely possible.

i have check in to that,there is  Camera Profiles under the Camera Calibration Tab
whether they are Canon profiles i'm not sure, but it dose list the Profiles you would see
on the 5D2.
As listed: Embedded ? this could be third Party
               Adobe Standard
               Camera Faithful
               Camera Landscape
               Camera Neutral
               Camera Portrait
               Camera Standard
               (But no third party profile, Technicolor CineStyle)

i did switch between the profiles and it dose change the image
i will have to Work with this and see if the embedded is the third party
Picture profiles, i'm very use to using  Technicolor CineStyle Profile for H264
but in Raw its total different image , and that what i having problems with
it very robust, Not flat and desaturated like CineStyle.

               
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 01, 2013, 09:40:03 AM
i have check in to that,there is  Camera Profiles under the Camera Calibration Tab
whether they are Canon profiles i'm not sure, but it dose list the Profiles you would see
on the 5D2.
As listed: Embedded ? this could be third Party
               Adobe Standard
               Camera Faithful
               Camera Landscape
               Camera Neutral
               Camera Portrait
               Camera Standard
               (But no third party profile, Technicolor CineStyle)

i did switch between the profiles and it dose change the image
i will have to Work with this and see if the embedded is the third party
Picture profiles, i'm very use to using  Technicolor CineStyle Profile for H264
but in Raw its total different image , and that what i having problems with
it very robust, Not flat and desaturated like CineStyle.

             
If you like playing with picture styles, you may like this: http://cinescopophilia.com/download-the-vw-158-canon-dslr-picture-styles-picture-profiles/
Some of the film emulations are pretty cool, that said, I have hardly ever used any of them for serious work, the fun is in creating your own look matching each image, especially now with the RAW capabilities!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 01, 2013, 09:45:35 AM
i did switch between the profiles and it dose change the image
i will have to Work with this and see if the embedded is the third party
Picture profiles, i'm very use to using  Technicolor CineStyle Profile for H264
but in Raw its total different image , and that what i having problems with
it very robust, Not flat and desaturated like CineStyle.

Yep, those are the Canon picture styles!  That's great.  And you're seeing these using Magic Lantern .dng images that you converted right on the Mac?  If so I wonder what I'm doing wrong.  What build are you using and what version of Raw2dng are you using?

The picture profiles in ACR should look almost exactly the same as they do in the camera.  You just have to make sure there are no other settings applied, such as saturation and sharpness and so on.  You can test this with a CR2 still image from the camera.  When you load it into ACR with a particular picture style, it should look very similar to an in-camera JPEG taken with the same picture style.

If you load in a CR2 that is tagged with Cinestyle, that might load it into ACR and make it available in the drop down menu.  If this works, it should say Cinestyle, not embedded.  You'd probably have to test it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 01, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
Thing move quickly on here, no flies on you chaps.

I had a shoot over the weekend, tides and moons for the bbc natural history unit. Mainly timelapse but they wanted some video too, and I foolishly decided to shoot ML RAW...

It was a little hairy at times, we lost one card full of video, totally corrupt, but that probably had nothing to do with ML. The results are pretty impressive. I've posted a few examples if anyones interested. It has a gritty quality that I'm not sure the NHU will appreciate but I really like, and the performance in some pretty extreme low light conditions was superb. Not sure I'd have got these images on anything else, certainly not on one of their varicams.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightandtime.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fredrocks%2F000287.jpg&hash=b5478cd0ea67ea41699e94fdc9f97f93)

http://www.lightandtime.co.uk/media/redrocks/000287.dng (http://www.lightandtime.co.uk/media/redrocks/000287.dng)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightandtime.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fredrocks%2F000000.jpg&hash=e571340b00dcd5a310553cbe46192920)

http://www.lightandtime.co.uk/media/redrocks/000000.dng (http://www.lightandtime.co.uk/media/redrocks/000000.dng)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightandtime.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fredrocks%2F000105.jpg&hash=d6f023d5abd800a37a92fd119cce5b4f)

http://www.lightandtime.co.uk/media/redrocks/000105.dng (http://www.lightandtime.co.uk/media/redrocks/000105.dng)

So thanks again to y'all, if they use any of the footage I'll donate my fee.

Particular thanks to a.d. who's builds I've been using all along. The new one is blisteringly fast for me but like others on here I am having problems converting longer clips. Getting the old 'aint lv_rec' error, seemingly for anything over 2GB. Been testing at 1880x800, will try more later if needs be, but I'm guessing I'm just being stupid and missing something. Updated raw2dng.app to 0.10. This runs it's own code right, it doesn't call the command line tool? Am I being a twat?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 01, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
@andyshon
Last week I watched your vimeo video and I'm impressed!

Does this fixed OSX user problem?
5D2_OSX_raw2dng.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_OSX_raw2dng.zip)

In the zip folder is the command line:

1 cd destination_of_the_folder (drag&drop)
Terminal support drag and drop => don't need to type the path of the folder

2 /path_to_app/raw2dng /path_to_raw/JXX.RAW DNG_Name
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 01, 2013, 01:51:35 PM
@a.d.

Thanks fella. Likewise, loving your work. Your footer fix saved that little film, which in turn helped sell the location to the bbc, so ta!

I'll try this later cheers. We just got two kittens, so this shit just got less interesting... Ha ha

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightandtime.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fkittens-hidding.jpg&hash=ad7a11279cab2386fe4f1af8b838eb60)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 01, 2013, 02:08:35 PM
Any idea what has caused me and Hazer to lose EXIF data? Can I upload some samples somewhere?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 01, 2013, 02:19:03 PM
Sorry, I need to catch a train...
I suppose you use the wrong raw2dng.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 01, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
a.d. -- thanks for the links.  This new command line version solves the exif issue.  The camera model now displays correctly, and picture styles are available in ACR.

Thank you!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 01, 2013, 03:50:39 PM
Well I have a days worth of shooting, and no matter what raw2dng version I use (I'm on a PC), they come out with no exif data.. Perhaps something went wrong in the recording, although I have no idea what I did different.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 01, 2013, 05:30:22 PM
You tried the files a.d. just linked to?  Hm, strange.

One thing you can try, if you really need to get those files processed and nothing else is working:  There is a command-line tool I was experimenting with called exiftool that can copy exif data from one file to another.  I'm pretty sure you can run this on Windows.  But I'm on Mac, where the syntax is:

exiftool  -tagsfromfile sourcefile.dng destinationfile.dng

...where you replace "sourcefile.dng" and "destinationfile.dng" with the names of the files you're copying and to.  What I did here is take a still image with the camera in CR2 format, and used Adobe DNG Converter (a free download from Adobe) to convert this to .dng.  Then, use you that .dng as the source file and copy all those tags to the destination file.

When I did this to a Magic Lantern .dng, it opened up in Adobe Camera Raw and all the picture styles were then available.  The important tag seems to be called "CameraUniqueID", which needs to be set to "Canon 5D Mark II".  you can actually do that specifically with exiftool like this

exiftool -camerauniqueid="Canon 5D Mark II" destinationfile.dng

Anyway a bit convoluted and it would be better to sort out the Raw2Dng process so it works.  But if you need to attempt a rescue of sorts this may work for you.


Edit:  If you just want to do a quick check to see what exif data is even present in your Magic Lantern .dng files, just pick one .dng file and do this:

exiftool -s filename.dng

This will list everything that's there and you should see very quickly if it's an Adobe problem or a Raw2Dng problem.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on June 01, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
The most recent build starts a new clip once the 4gb limit has been reached.  You can use terminal or command prompt to stitch them together.  On mac open a terminal window in the folder you have the clips, enter the following

cat [file1name].RAW [file2name].R00> [newfilename].RAW

hit enter.  The file will take a bit of time to compile, so don't try to convert it or move it until it shows the right file size.

Don't have a PC but I've seen comments on that process around as well.
absolutely wonderful news.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 01, 2013, 07:42:19 PM

Does this fixed OSX user problem?
5D2_OSX_raw2dng.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_OSX_raw2dng.zip)

In the zip folder is the command line:

1 cd destination_of_the_folder (drag&drop)
Terminal support drag and drop => don't need to type the path of the folder

2 /path_to_app/raw2dng /path_to_raw/JXX.RAW DNG_Name

Yep, works for me. Converted a 3GB and a couple of 8GB files no worries. So I'm now looking at a load of shaky, out of focus footage of kittens... Hmm. Nice tones though.

And the .app gui seems to work now too. So it calls the raw2dng command from /usr/bin?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 01, 2013, 10:36:50 PM
Quote
You tried the files a.d. just linked to?

You mean the mac version? I'm on a P.C. but I tried every version of Raw2DNG I have, also known functioning ones and I still get no exif (verified with the excellent exiftool). Thanks for the codes for exiftool - I was looking for that. So if I wanted to batch process a library of dng's, copying exif from one good dng to a bunch of bad ones, what would the syntax be? Thanks again.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 01, 2013, 11:09:38 PM
Ok, used exiftool GUI to copy the exif data over from some sound files, so the files are saved. Now for some more testing as to the whole reason for the missing exif.

Incidentally, should anyone do the same as me, remember to set the ISO speed correctly for your files - Camera Raw needs info like this for its denoise profiling.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: thearc on June 02, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
Here is another test shot.
Technicolor Profile Vs 5D RAW
RAW footage sent through raw2dng then photoshop then to resolve.
Regular Canon h264 with technicolor profile sent to resolve for correction as well.

Love it! Thanks guys! Way better dynamic range and even though the RAW is lower res it's way sharper too.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 02, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
Ok, used exiftool GUI to copy the exif data over from some sound files, so the files are saved.

Cool glad that worked.  To be clear, this is just a hack, because a lot of the exif in the "good" dng might not match the "bad" one:  resolution, ISO, etc.  But ACR will probably just ignore the data that doesn't fit, or maybe set some sliders incorrectly -- like white balance -- which you will then have to fix.  Hopefully you can figure out what is causing the problem in the first place.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 02, 2013, 07:12:10 AM
Hello all  :)
i just finish a full card record (29.7 GB 31,934,595,752 bytes) on the May 31st built, for 5d2.
i have a Lexar 1000x 32 Gb card, thats aligned to 32K, i read a lot about people have Read Write
Problems, my average write speed is about 55MB/s read @ about 60 MB/s
But i can Record raw @ 1880x854 24p 64.3 MB/s :) with no frame drop & 1 buffer Star.
the only thing i have set different from whats been recommended is i set my Photo to JPG Small not  Large no raw.
wheather that makes a different or not im not sure , and i alway record  a few seconds then  stop and start the full card record.
i think that make a big different . I end up with 11,374 frames(7.633 Mintue) @ 2,782 KB in size.
i also been working with the Metadata, and there again i hear pepole having  problems.

in Photoshop i have not see this problem with my tests, but what i have Notice :o is under the Camera Calibration Tab
there is a Embedded  in Camera Profiles, so i did a test & set the picture profile to Technicolor CineStyle Profile
in camera, did my full card record test and when i enabled the embedded tab, it change to a flat, desaturated image close to
what i would see with CineStyle with H264 this will make Grading Faster. ;)
i did no remenber seeing the Embedded Tab when i used Landscape Profile .
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mino.rimada on June 02, 2013, 04:42:07 PM
But i can Record raw @ 1880x854 24p 64.3 MB/s :) with no frame drop & 1 buffer Star.

Great!, that is so great. I shot a video at 1880x756 with a previous build and got an average of 600 frames using a lexar 1000x 16g.
I should try your way..if it works for me too, I will be so happy...I hope that by the end of June there will be a more stable and practical way to shoot raw in the 5Dm2, I'm shooting a short film this month and I'm considering to go RAW, the workflow is so complicated but every minute invested is totally worthy.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: joshmonie on June 02, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
Hi Guys,

I just want to get it out there that I'm a total newb before I go any further.

Ok, I'm needing some help on installing this all on my 5D2. As far as I'm aware, I download the current stable ML which is v2.3, unzip it and take just the 5D2-212.fir onto the root of my CF. Where do I find the autoexec.bin and ML folder? Can I just use the autoexec.bin and ML folder from a previous build and copy/paste the raw_rec.mo file into where it should be?

I was going to try this but was worried I'd brick the camera so thought I'd get some expert advice first!

Thanks in advance,
Josh
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 02, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
Hi Guys,

I just want to get it out there that I'm a total newb before I go any further.

Ok, I'm needing some help on installing this all on my 5D2. As far as I'm aware, I download the current stable ML which is v2.3, unzip it and take just the 5D2-212.fir onto the root of my CF. Where do I find the autoexec.bin and ML folder? Can I just use the autoexec.bin and ML folder from a previous build and copy/paste the raw_rec.mo file into where it should be?

I was going to try this but was worried I'd brick the camera so thought I'd get some expert advice first!

Thanks in advance,
Josh

I don't know if i'm a expert But the best & easist way to in stall ML with the raw record module,
this is what i do to install ML on my 5D2 :)

If any thing go wrong pull the Battery out ASAP!

1-make sure you have Canon Firmware update which is 2.1.2 First
 
2- prepare your Card, make sure  you have a Fast Card i use
    Lexar 1000x 32GB Card , many other ones work but your limited to smaller Frame size recording
    600x cards work  like the Scan disk but will no record continuous @ larger Frame size.
    Downland the EOS Card 1.3  (http://pel.hu/eoscard)  for Windows, this will prepare
    the card for ML, it will make it Bootable & install the latest ML

3-download the May 31st RAW record module on Page 1,
    unzip install the new Autoexec file on the root of card
    and the raw module go in the ML Folder,

3-Start the camera up, press the  delete key takes you to the
   ML window, scroll over to the Module and load by the set key.
   back to the movie tab enable the Raw record tab
   to change setting hit the picture Profile button.

that pretty much it there is a few pit fall but you will work that out ;)

One last thing Go have Fun recording RAW ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 02, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
Great!, that is so great. I shot a video at 1880x756 with a previous build and got an average of 600 frames using a lexar 1000x 16g.
I should try your way..if it works for me too, I will be so happy...I hope that by the end of June there will be a more stable and practical way to shoot raw in the 5Dm2, I'm shooting a short film this month and I'm considering to go RAW, the workflow is so complicated but every minute invested is totally worthy.
I think if you are planning your shots in a good way it's worth a try. The workflow is not that much more complicated when you directly go with After Effects and then render out to ProRes422 HQ oder ProRes444.
Only thing that I really wish happens is, that they figure out a way to record with 12 Bit.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: joshmonie on June 02, 2013, 09:59:33 PM
Hi again.

Having followed the instructions, I'm now having another issue. Upon turning the camera on after the ML "success" screen, I'm getting a "scripts dir missing" message. I can then go into ML as normal, load the raw module, etc. but when I turn it on and go into live view, I cannot start raw recording.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 02, 2013, 10:09:57 PM
The scripts dir comes from the regular nightly builds. Once you load the RAW recording module, the option to record RAW should appear last on the "Movie" tab.

edit: whoa, what's up with the post counts?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 02, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
Hi again.

Having followed the instructions, I'm now having another issue. Upon turning the camera on after the ML "success" screen, I'm getting a "scripts dir missing" message. I can then go into ML as normal, load the raw module, etc. but when I turn it on and go into live view, I cannot start raw recording.

Any ideas?

Sorry i forgot to tell you about that, :-[  i had to download that i'm just looking for it
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 02, 2013, 10:51:36 PM
Sorry i forgot to tell you about that, :-[  i had to download that i'm just looking for if

http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/archive/2013-05-23-8f5f3c441614/
this is the file name (magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013May23.60D.550D.600D.50D.500D.5D2.1100D)
i found a older built , it has the files your missing,  i used this for my 5D2
just take the Scripts Folder put it into the ML Folder
that should work, if not let me know i  see if i can help further  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 02, 2013, 11:47:38 PM
Shot this last night June 1st/2013 about 6:00pm
off my Deck pointing northwest in Red Deer, Alberta,Can.
with my 5D2
ML ISO 50, with 50mm Sigma f1.4 EX DG @ f2.2  Variable ND
 stop down 50%
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: shuntian on June 03, 2013, 06:40:11 AM
I copied all the file in to my card, all the function are working properly, but when I switch raw video to on and I press the AF-ON button my camera dosen't record. Dose anyone know what is the problem?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: seanturco on June 03, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
You need to press the liveview Button to record!
I hope record fonction will be assign to another button !!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 03, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
You need to press the liveview Button to record!
I hope record fonction will be assign to another button !!

Its already been transferred in new builds to either the joystick press or the AF-ON button.  FYI.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mageye on June 03, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
I don't know why they refer to that thing as a 'joy stick'. There is no joy in using it :o
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Oedipax on June 03, 2013, 07:31:56 PM
Using the 5/31 build, I get severe pixelation/slow refresh (basically unusable) at the first zoom level and a super-heavy pink color cast at the second zoom level.

Is this known/intended behavior? I'm not shooting anything with it this way, but it makes focusing before takes more difficult and wasn't an issue in earlier builds.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 03, 2013, 07:54:28 PM
Please, to all the testers, could you recomend me the most stable build at this moment?. I suppose that some nightly builds has some bugs, and I do not need new features, I am searching the faster (?) build. Do you remenber a good one from these last days?. Thanks. I have been reading daily the forum and I learnt a lot, thanks guys you rock.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 03, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Please, to all the testers, could you recomend me the most stable build at this moment?. I suppose that some nightly builds has some bugs, and I do not need new features, I am searching the faster (?) build. Do you remenber a good one from these last days?. Thanks. I have been reading daily the forum and I learnt a lot, thanks guys you rock.

I have been using the May 31 Built it stable and fastest one yet  ;D
But make sure your card is fast, i use Lexar 1000x 32 Gb card
it dose 1880x854 24p until the card is full :)
no corruption .
i did a full card test see my Video a few post up from vimeo
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 03, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Using the 5/31 build, I get severe pixelation/slow refresh (basically unusable) at the first zoom level and a super-heavy pink color cast at the second zoom level.

Is this known/intended behavior? I'm not shooting anything with it this way, but it makes focusing before takes more difficult and wasn't an issue in earlier builds.
I haven't notice pixelation/slow refresh
On that built, I don't use the zoom
I turn on the over lay's & use ML focus
Or use my zatcua 2.5x focus dopter
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Oedipax on June 03, 2013, 11:37:40 PM
I haven't notice pixelation/slow refresh
On that built, I don't use the zoom
I turn on the over lay's & use ML focus
Or use my zatcua 2.5x focus dopter

Ah, I have to sheepishly admit I wasn't aware of the ML Focus technique, works pretty well! That's working for me now although I still get a pink display with the other method (5x/10x zoom button).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 04, 2013, 12:07:33 AM
Ah, I have to sheepishly admit I wasn't aware of the ML Focus technique, works pretty well! That's working for me now although I still get a pink display with the other method (5x/10x zoom button).

That the Price to pay for Stable Raw Video
they will work that out in the future .

When you have the overlays on and focus with any EF Lens the focus window pop up.
set the size in the menu. It the best feature i think  ;)
when recording Raw the overlays turn off automatically.
You should go though the Magic Latern Menus and check
out all the feature, you may find some very interesting Funtions
It will make Filming alot smoother. :)
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Alfazzz on June 04, 2013, 01:22:11 AM
Using the 5/31 build, I get severe pixelation/slow refresh (basically unusable) at the first zoom level and a super-heavy pink color cast at the second zoom level.

Is this known/intended behavior? I'm not shooting anything with it this way, but it makes focusing before takes more difficult and wasn't an issue in earlier builds.

Hi,
same here, same build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: leo on June 04, 2013, 03:01:43 AM
Hey everyone, I'm new here. I tried to install the Magic Lantern firmware, however, I keep on getting this message "Memory card containing firmware is required to update" any clue about this? I would really appreciate all the help. I follow the instructions from http://5dfilmmaking.com/05/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-5d2/
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 03:29:48 AM
Hey everyone, I'm new here. I tried to install the Magic Lantern firmware, however, I keep on getting this message "Memory card containing firmware is required to update" any clue about this? I would really appreciate all the help. I follow the instructions from http://5dfilmmaking.com/05/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-5d2/

Have you followed the instructions from here?

http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/faq#installation
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 04, 2013, 03:49:35 AM
Have you followed the instructions from here?

http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/faq#installation

If you are still having problem go back to page 6 about half way up the page i wrote
a short procedure on installing Magic Latern on 5d mark ii
also read a few post on page 7 about the Scripts Folder i wrote that should do it
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: leo on June 04, 2013, 04:16:31 AM
ted ramasola, thank you so much for your help. reddeercity, thank you so much. I followed every step. However, I still have the same problem. I'm using a SanDisk Extreme Pro. I don't understand what's the problem, as I can install the old magic lantern, but not the nightly build ones that has the RAW recording feature.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 04:20:41 AM
ted ramasola, thank you so much for your help. reddeercity, thank you so much. I followed every step. However, I still have the same problem. I'm using a SanDisk Extreme Pro. I don't understand what's the problem, as I can install the old magic lantern, but not the nightly build ones that has the RAW recording feature.

remember that when when using the nightly builds you do not remove the folders from the unified stable release 2.3. You only add/replace the once duplicated by the nightly builds.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: leo on June 04, 2013, 04:43:38 AM
ted ramasola, thank you so much for your quick response. I deeply appreciate it. I don't understand what you mean by do not remove folders from the unified stable release. Do you mean I have to install a stable release 2.3 on my MK-II, then copy the nightly build over it?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: shuntian on June 04, 2013, 04:52:27 AM
Its already been transferred in new builds to either the joystick press or the AF-ON button.  FYI.

I'm using the 5/31 build, I copied the raw_af-on and raw_joystick folders to my card, but when I press af-on with raw video on it dosen't record, do u know what is the problem
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 04:54:07 AM
ted ramasola, thank you so much for your quick response. I deeply appreciate it. I don't understand what you mean by do not remove folders from the unified stable release. Do you mean I have to install a stable release 2.3 on my MK-II, then copy the nightly build over it?

Yes. The stable release stays on the card. You just replace the autoexec.bin and add MODULES into the ML folder. AND choose which raw rec to use, joystick or AF_on activated. I prefer the af_on. Replace the raw_rec in the Modules folder.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 04:54:54 AM
I'm using the 5/31 build, I copied the raw_af-on and raw_joystick folders to my card, but when I press af-on with raw video on it dosen't record, do u know what is the problem

You don't copy the folders only the file inside. Choose which one then replace the one in MODULES folder.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: leo on June 04, 2013, 06:46:35 AM
ted ramasola, thank you so so much! I finally got it to work! I really appreciate all your help. :) I did a couple of tests and it looks spectacular. I will have to do more tests tomorrow morning. :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: shuntian on June 04, 2013, 08:04:30 AM
You don't copy the folders only the file inside. Choose which one then replace the one in MODULES folder.

thanks, it works perfect on my 5d2. I can record 1880x800 around 800 frames and 1800x1058 around 200 frames on my komputer bay 1000x 64gb card.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 08:11:09 AM
thanks, it works perfect on my 5d2. I can record 1880x800 around 800 frames and 1800x1058 around 200 frames on my komputer bay 1000x 64gb card.

Glad you got it to work.
The komputerbay cf cards are really not performing as advertised as I can get stable and continuous recording with 1000x lexar at 1880 x 854. 1,596 frames at 1880 x 940 and 349 frames at 1880 x 1058.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 10:02:10 AM
Shuntian,

I don't know if this will help but have you tried going to canon menu and disable RAW stills and choose only JPEG "L" .

I believe your raw video recording will improve.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 04, 2013, 10:16:57 AM
Glad you got it to work.
The komputerbay cf cards are really not performing as advertised as I can get stable and continuous recording with 1000x lexar at 1880 x 854. 1,596 frames at 1880 x 940 and 349 frames at 1880 x 1058.
I've got a Lexar 1000x 64GB Card and I can get around 7 to 8 Gigs with a 1880x854 Resolution - what are you doing to improve the speed? I turned of Canon Screen Overlays, I also set Still Picture in Canon Menu to JPG L like you said (btw: why does this matter?) but all in all the buffer seems to fill up after a while.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 10:33:16 AM
I've got a Lexar 1000x 64GB Card and I can get around 7 to 8 Gigs with a 1880x854 Resolution - what are you doing to improve the speed? I turned of Canon Screen Overlays, I also set Still Picture in Canon Menu to JPG L like you said (btw: why does this matter?) but all in all the buffer seems to fill up after a while.

Did you try turning global draw in ML menu to OFF? In my test it is suppose to be continuous. I tested up to 16 gig then i got tired and turned it off.  I will try longer.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 04, 2013, 10:42:54 AM
Did you try turning global draw in ML menu to OFF? In my test it is suppose to be continuous. I tested up to 16 gig then i got tired and turned it off.  I will try longer.
Yep - Global Draw is off. I tried now three times and it stopped after around 7 Gig each approach.
The only thing that I can see on the screen is one small line showing the recording area and - perhaps i can deactivate this somewhere, a box for face detection.
Which build are you using?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 04, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
May 31.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: shuntian on June 04, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Shuntian,

I don't know if this will help but have you tried going to canon menu and disable RAW stills and choose only JPEG "L" .

I believe your raw video recording will improve.

actually I disable raw still and choose JPEG 'S', I can record 3 minutes 2.35:1. I think that is good enough. I use raw2dng to transfer the raw video to dng sequence, some videos larger than 2g works, but some are not. Do u have some better advice for the workflow?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexcosy on June 04, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Hi guys, first post here as i'm new to ML RAw.  ;)

I have several questions concerning the post workflow and i'm sure it could othere people too.

I'm using raw2dng and import the sequence into After Effects. When importing ACR opens up, as wanted, and my first question is, what settings do you set your raw sequence?
A part from white balance, in termes of contrasts, blacks, exposure brightness etc...
I tend to set everything to "0" except for recovery or exposure if i feel the need. I don't understand why ACR always want to give me like +25 brightness and some contrast too...
I also go and set every sharpen tool or denoiser to 0.

Why do i do that? Cause i want to grade in resolve, so i like a flatten picture, with minimum noise and alteration and maximum signal in order to then encode in prores4444 or 422HQ. And it seems to me that i get a better image than if all set as default by ACR.

- So : am i right or not? For example, by default ACR sets a +5 blacks, why? Do i degrade my blacks setting it back to 0 ?

- Then, in AE, what color space do you set your project to?
"None" (by default) seems too contrasty for me compared to what i have in ACR, rec709 seems more accurate... What does this means? Are we actually in video levels 16-235 with the ML raw footage or am i getting that wrong?
And 16bits right?

Those would be my questions, and if you guys could enlighten me, it would be much appreciated! :)

Many thx
(Sorry for my mistakes, as english is not my native language).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Inchiology on June 04, 2013, 12:56:15 PM
Hi,

Anyone know the limitations of the 5DmkII versus 5DmkIII in relation to Magic lantern Raw Vid?

1. Is there a limitation in resolution
2. Record Length (only 10 sec or more)
3. etc...

Thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 04, 2013, 04:20:44 PM
Yep - Global Draw is off. I tried now three times and it stopped after around 7 Gig each approach.
The only thing that I can see on the screen is one small line showing the recording area and - perhaps i can deactivate this somewhere, a box for face detection.
Which build are you using?

Hello  :) do you have frame over ride turn on?
made sure it on & set to 24 "exact FPS"
i just on may way to Work, hope that helps
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: romainmenke on June 04, 2013, 10:16:20 PM
Hi, long time user of ML and have now also switched to RAW on the 5D 2.
I had some trouble on my last test. A file bigger than 4gb wouldn't convert to DNG with the latest build of RAW2DNG, the ML RAW build was from 31/05.

Just reporting, no complaints ;) keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pacman829 on June 05, 2013, 01:06:36 AM
Just tried the latest release June 4th, with the raw module that came with it (joystick on) and was noticing i was getting a max of about 300 frames at 720p (2.35:1)  .. which i was able to do pretty much continuos before (may 23rd build)

even on my slow sandisk ultra card 30 mb/s
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 05, 2013, 01:12:13 AM
Hi, long time user of ML and have now also switched to RAW on the 5D 2.
I had some trouble on my last test. A file bigger than 4gb wouldn't convert to DNG with the latest build of RAW2DNG, the ML RAW build was from 31/05.

Just reporting, no complaints ;) keep up the good work!!

what are the steps you do to convert the the.RAW files? You have to join them first via cmd prompt then drag over the raw2dng.exe.
If you did not join them first and simply dragged the spanned file, ex ( ******.R00 ) to the raw2dng.exe then you get pink noise.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: romainmenke on June 05, 2013, 01:26:31 AM
what are the steps you do to convert the the.RAW files? You have to join them first via cmd prompt then drag over the raw2dng.exe.
If you did not join them first and simply dragged the spanned file, ex ( ******.R00 ) to the raw2dng.exe then you get pink noise.

I did not know that.
I'm on a mac, does this also apply? (probably yes)
I had no trouble with files smaller than 4gb, but I also only got the .R00 files when I crossed the 4GB "barrier".

Workflow:
Record, copy to HD, throw in RAW2DNG, develop in ACR to tiff.

Where can I find detailed instructions on this? As I said, I first followed these topics for a couple of weeks, but I missed some info.
Thx!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: romainmenke on June 05, 2013, 01:28:23 AM
Found it:

OSX/LINUX
Start Terminal
1. cd /Volumes/my_destination_folder
2. cat xyz.RAW xyz.R00 xyz.R01 > xyz.RAW
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: romainmenke on June 05, 2013, 01:37:37 AM
No Luck, still getting the "Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file" error.
Is this just a broken file or am I still doing something wrong?

I successfully joined one .RAW with one .R00 the combined file is also the size of the 2 together so I think that went well.


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 05, 2013, 04:34:10 AM
Hello All  :)
I just installed the new June 4th Bulit.
And i have to "Say Very Good Job Guys" it keep getting better all the time! 8)
file management , very nice i like that. Work smoothly no problems, deleted only one file at a time.
But the best feature by far is the "Dolly Mode" now you can utilized the complete sensor
I can see my self using that feature .

Like Always the speed is maintained i Have No problem record 1880x854 24p @64.3MB/s with Lexar 1000x 32GB
Look like the Limit for 14 bit on 5d2 right now until the 12 & 10 bit get going.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 05, 2013, 05:16:40 AM
Like Always the speed is maintained i Have No problem record 1880x854 24p @64.3MB/s with Lexar 1000x 32GB
Look like the Limit for 14 bit on 5d2 right now until the 12 & 10 bit get going.

Confirmed this too. Jun 4 build.

Speeds are maintained.

1880 x 854 is the biggest resolution that is stable in both 1X and in crop mode 5X.

I like there is no more pink cast on magnify modes.

Some issues to look into.

In crop mode:

While in preview, proper framing is available in mono and lores- when recording is started this reverts to canon magnify/in color but offset framing. not ideal when you a following a moving subject.

Some playback issues using file file browser. No playback just characters at top edge of lcd screen.




edited: corrected previous findings about flicker. It was a non issue.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on June 05, 2013, 02:31:45 PM
Ted, can you do a test and record 1600x900 and tell me how many frames you get? (I believe you have a Lexar 1000x 32GB, right?)
Thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 05, 2013, 03:25:47 PM
Confirmed this too. Jun 4 build.

Speeds are maintained.

1880 x 854 is the biggest resolution that is stable in both 1X and in crop mode 5X.


I like this. I hope that my Komputerbay will be able to handle it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 05, 2013, 03:28:49 PM
Ted, can you do a test and record 1600x900 and tell me how many frames you get? (I believe you have a Lexar 1000x 32GB, right?)
Thanks

I'm interested in this as well.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on June 05, 2013, 05:27:13 PM
Are there plans to integrate the other raw_rec.mo with this build? I like this build but I really like the feature of the other raw_rec for 5D where it shuts off the global draw off automatically
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 05, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
i've been playing around with the new build and it's the best one so far for me.

I get very stable recordings at 1880x706 1720x732 and 1600x800 that fill the card with no buffer problems.

A few things to mention, i'm using an 8gb Sandisk Extreme 60mb/s, everything in the liveview is turned off, global draw is off, photo mode is jpeg and that seems to boost writing speeds a lot.

I've also noticed that at higher resolutions i get a bigger number of frames if i shoot in the monochrome profile and if fps override is activated, don't know if they are connected in any way i'm just reporting what i see and get.

One other thing is that the body starts to heat up a bit after 1 hour or so of recording raw, at one point the temperture inside was 63C.

I did the benchmark for writing and reading and interestingly enough the speed was lower from what i was seeing while recording.

i get roughly 43mb/s in the benchmarks and when i'm recording i see speeds up to 52mb/s

will test some more!

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 05, 2013, 09:23:17 PM
Ted, can you do a test and record 1600x900 and tell me how many frames you get? (I believe you have a Lexar 1000x 32GB, right?)
Thanks

1600 x 900 is stable and continuous. Just one * on the buffer. Using 32 gig  1000x Lexar.

Highest res it can do is 1880 x 854 2.20:1.

Highest 16:9 res it can do is 1720 X 968.

1880 x 1058 16:9  approx 349 frames.

1880 x 940 2:1 approx 1,596 frames -thats already slightly past a minute and spans 2 files.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 05, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
Are there plans to integrate the other raw_rec.mo with this build? I like this build but I really like the feature of the other raw_rec for 5D where it shuts off the global draw off automatically
+1. I love Pravdomil raw_rec module.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Oedipax on June 05, 2013, 10:47:29 PM
+1. I love Pravdomil raw_rec module.
Yep, +1. I really liked that feature.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 05, 2013, 10:59:58 PM
@romainmenke
You seem to miss the footer. Could you check the Canon Menu? Auto power off

Are there plans to integrate the other raw_rec.mo with this build? I like this build but I really like the feature of the other raw_rec for 5D where it shuts off the global draw off automatically
already implemented
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Oedipax on June 05, 2013, 11:45:08 PM
already implemented

We might be referring to different things - on the Pravdomil build, it would turn off all the ML overlays but also black out everything on the LCD apart from the image capture area. It really helps with framing. Could be nice to get that as an option.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 06, 2013, 12:15:47 AM
We might be referring to different things - on the Pravdomil build, it would turn off all the ML overlays but also black out everything on the LCD apart from the image capture area. It really helps with framing. Could be nice to get that as an option.

yeah, I have to admit I like that too, though having it semi transparent would be much better as it would give us a warning, like for instance  that boom mic is about to get into the frame. :)
But if that black out crop marks are bitmaps then it occupies memory more. If that means lesser performance then I could do with just simple crop marks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 06, 2013, 01:05:21 AM
The blackout feature on the Pravdomil build is so handy and it doesn't make my highest reliable resolution unstable. That and af record make it all much easier.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on June 06, 2013, 02:22:56 AM
Hi guys!

I'm looking for the crop factor mode into the ML menu, but can't find it! Can anyone help me?
I'm running build 29th may on the 5D2.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 06, 2013, 08:20:32 AM
Hi guys!

I'm looking for the crop factor mode into the ML menu, but can't find it! Can anyone help me?
I'm running build 29th may on the 5D2.

Thanks!

just zoom in :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 06, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
Haven't changed anything... now it's running on 1880 x 854 25fps without problems. Buffer is always between 1 or 2 *
Perhaps a bit off topic but - I'm not a filming pro and everything I know, I learned through tutorial videos or articles on the internet. But what are the advantages of using 24fps? Sure, in this case it's less data on the card. But what are the advantages from a "design" point of view?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 06, 2013, 09:57:22 AM
just zoom in :)
Also thought so - but my zoom buttons are not working with Magic Lantern, which makes it somehow hard to focus, also.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 06, 2013, 10:22:40 AM
Haven't changed anything... now it's running on 1880 x 854 25fps without problems. Buffer is always between 1 or 2 *
Perhaps a bit off topic but - I'm not a filming pro and everything I know, I learned through tutorial videos or articles on the internet. But what are the advantages of using 24fps? Sure, in this case it's less data on the card. But what are the advantages from a "design" point of view?

24FPS is an industry standard as far as filming goes, it's been since the early days of filming, you get a very filmic motion blur to the shots.
that's the jist of it
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 06, 2013, 10:26:54 AM
24FPS is an industry standard as far as filming goes, it's been since the early days of filming, you get a very filmic motion blur to the shots.
that's the jist of it

-and ideally it's combined with 1/48 shutter speed (47 in ML ) to approximate 180 degree shutter in film.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: olik on June 06, 2013, 10:58:18 AM
Haven't changed anything... now it's running on 1880 x 854 25fps without problems. Buffer is always between 1 or 2 *

Wow, nice, what cards are you using? I have a Komputer Bay 64GB 1000x and I only get 677 frames on 1720x968@25fps with a.d. build from yesterday.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 01:19:42 PM
I have Lexar 64gb 1000x and I can't go over 55MB/s and it is 10MB/s less then normal. Is there any topic about how to set your 5d for the most MB/s possible? I turned draw off, only s size picture, no sound, etc.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 06, 2013, 01:23:02 PM
I have Lexar 64gb 1000x and I can't go over 55MB/s and it is 10MB/s less then normal. Is there any topic about how to set your 5d for the most MB/s possible? I turned draw off, only s size picture, no sound, etc.

at what resolution and aspect ratio do you get continuous recording?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 01:27:03 PM
1880x706 aspect ratio 2.67:1 frame rate 24.000
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: seanturco on June 06, 2013, 01:28:14 PM
And the frame rate ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 06, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
1880x710

yes. is your canon menu set at 24fps? If yes, try setting FPS override in ML menu to 24 as well.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: seanturco on June 06, 2013, 01:36:26 PM
look the menu option "live view/movie func.set "
And set "Stills + movie" and "movie display".
Movie rec size at 1920 X 1080 24fps.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
I've done those two things. Also in my search for the "golden setting" I've noticed that when You change the main camera dial to either custom or automatic mode You will gain a few buffer stars but there might be some controls issues . Do not know is that an obvious thing for everybody.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 06, 2013, 02:00:17 PM
I know that 24fps are cinema standard and 25fps PAL Standard. So i always just sticked to 25fps without really questioning why. I also used 1/50th to apply to the 180° shutter rule, and so far everything worked out. But I don't understand - is it a big difference to record in 24fps? Is it noticeable? Haven't found good articles on the net about it.

@Olik: I'm using a Lexar 1000x 64GB Card - and strangely it didn't work out first, but now i did about 15 recordings all about 7 or 8 GB, and Buffer was always very stable on 1 or 2 *
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 06, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
I've done those two things. Also in my search for the "golden setting" I've noticed that when You change the main camera dial to either custom or automatic mode You will gain a few buffer stars but there might be some controls issues . Do not know is that an obvious thing for everybody.

What build date are you using?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
What build date are you using?

Now I use 04 june so the newest one, but I've been testing all avilable 5d mark II builds and my Lexar 16gb 400x is doing 40MB/s and new Lexar 64gb 1000x max is 55MB/s. I turned off all possible things and there is slight improvment but nowhere near 1880x800 not filling the buffer up.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 06, 2013, 02:18:05 PM
I've done those two things. Also in my search for the "golden setting" I've noticed that when You change the main camera dial to either custom or automatic mode You will gain a few buffer stars but there might be some controls issues . Do not know is that an obvious thing for everybody.

HA ! really interesting, in custum functions mode you get almost twice the buffer ! and now i get twice the number of frames at 1880x800
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 02:25:10 PM
HA ! really interesting, in custum functions mode you get almost twice the buffer ! and now i get twice the number of frames at 1880x800

HA ! So it is not obvious for everybody. Yes You can do twice amount of the frames like in pravdomil's topic picture when he posted his build. 1% commented on it "I see all the buffer stars you got and I'm jealous :)" and I thought everybody knew how to do it. So now eveyone will get even more frames than me... :'(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 06, 2013, 02:27:58 PM
HA ! So it is not obvious for everybody. Yes You can do twice amount of the frames like in pravdomil's topic picture when he posted his build. 1% commented on it "I see all the buffer stars you got and I'm jealous :)" and I thought everybody knew it. So now eveyone will get even more frames than me... :'(

guess this is a new breakthrough :) just did a few tests now and i get double nr of frames on all resolutions that weren't stable for me :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 02:34:25 PM
guess this is a new breakthrough :) just did a few tests now and i get double nr of frames on all resolutions that weren't stable for me :)

Happy for You and that I was useful. In this case maybe start a new topic for people to spread it around.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 06, 2013, 02:43:08 PM
already spreading the word m8 :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on June 06, 2013, 02:45:50 PM
already spreading the word m8 :)

Also started new topic in Raw discussion ;) 

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6221.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 06, 2013, 07:07:47 PM
Is there any topic about how to set your 5d for the most MB/s possible? I turned draw off, only s size picture, no sound, etc.

+1
Is there a list of things to do to improve the recording stability? It would be so helpful!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ch_d on June 07, 2013, 12:34:45 AM
HA ! really interesting, in custum functions mode you get almost twice the buffer ! and now i get twice the number of frames at 1880x800
what is the "custum functions mode" and how do i enable it?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 02:28:49 AM
I'm noticing vertical stripes in some test footage I just shot. Both the a.d. and ML bitbucket builds of raw2dng.exe (that was just updated) exhibit this anomaly. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the previous version around to see whether it's a problem with Raw2Dng, the latest ML build (6397e112ed41), or something else. Raw2Dng seems to be making a lot of corrections now whereas a lot of values were at 1.000 in the older version.

edit: JPEG for a quick look: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350.jpg
DNG: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350.dng
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 07, 2013, 03:42:32 AM
Hello All  :)
With 5D2
i was interested to see how good the Raw DNG image is, in term of scalable.
So i took 1880x854 24p DNG file import to photoshop and upscaded to 4096 x 1861
maintained the 240 dpi, 16 bit tiff, Basic White Balance & Color Correction

when you play the video in the small screen you will notice moire & aliasing
But thats only in the small player go to full screen and there is no
moire & aliasing.
The Original file on the image quality tab is the 4K mp4 i uploaded .
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 07, 2013, 08:14:35 AM
what is the "custum functions mode" and how do i enable it?

they're on your dial knob, labeled C1 C2 C3 :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: fatpig on June 07, 2013, 09:52:34 AM
4K video does not look good , even on my only 2.5k monitor.
really nasty edges.
upscaling = bad idea. ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: b.a.s. on June 07, 2013, 10:00:13 AM
Hi all,

I am shooting on the latest build (6-6-13) and I am noticing that a lot of my shots when imported into Premiere, seem to be playing as if in fast forward... anyone else having this problem? Adobe After Effects composition FPS is set to 23.976 (same as premiere).

Resolution: 1880x800
CF Card: Lexar 32GB Extreme (90mb/s)
Workflow: Raw2DNG--ACR--After Effects CS6 (export) TIFF--(import) Premiere CS6

Any Thoughts?

Thanks for the incredible work ML, you guys are making film history right now!

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 07, 2013, 10:11:05 AM
@Yoshiyuki Blade
31_05_WIN.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/31_05_WIN.zip)
04_06_WIN.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/04_06_WIN.zip)
07_06_WIN.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/07_06_WIN.zip)

@b.a.s.
You also need to check the export from aftereffects to avi or ProRes
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 07, 2013, 10:15:00 AM
I'm noticing vertical stripes in some test footage I just shot. Both the a.d. and ML bitbucket builds of raw2dng.exe (that was just updated) exhibit this anomaly. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the previous version around to see whether it's a problem with Raw2Dng, the latest ML build (6397e112ed41), or something else. Raw2Dng seems to be making a lot of corrections now whereas a lot of values were at 1.000 in the older version.

edit: JPEG for a quick look: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350.jpg
DNG: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350.dng
You are right... i also noticed those stripes... but with my footage they are not that obvious and looked like some noise pattern.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: b.a.s. on June 07, 2013, 10:16:38 AM
a.d.-

I'll check avi and report what I find. It's not possible to use ProRes without FCP is it? Third party plug-in?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: seanturco on June 07, 2013, 10:49:46 AM
Its possible to use Apple pro res with Adobe after effect and premiere.
You can also export To Quicktime-Animation. It is a lossless (meaning near 100% quality) like apple prores 4444.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: seanturco on June 07, 2013, 11:00:20 AM
I'm noticing vertical stripes in some test footage I just shot. Both the a.d. and ML bitbucket builds of raw2dng.exe (that was just updated) exhibit this anomaly. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the previous version around to see whether it's a problem with Raw2Dng, the latest ML build (6397e112ed41), or something else. Raw2Dng seems to be making a lot of corrections now whereas a lot of values were at 1.000 in the older version.

edit: JPEG for a quick look: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350.jpg
DNG: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350.dng

You can remove those vertical stripes with ACR and masking option or luminance.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 11:48:26 AM
@seanturco I know, but if a more elegant solution exists, I'd prefer to use that. :)
@a.d. Thanks! I can confirm that the May 31st build looks good.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Any improvement with this one? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
a1ex: The stripes still appear under Adobe's camera raw tool, but Raw Therapee's output (what I've been using regularly) looks just fine to me: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350-2.jpg

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
I mean, with the new raw2dng (uploaded 5 minutes ago), is there any improvement?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 02:53:31 PM
Yeah, the image I just posted was from the fresh build you linked. The stripes appear when opening the DNG with Adobe Camera Raw, but Raw Therapee (what I used for the image above) seems to read it fine.

The one from photoshop (no color corrections obviously): http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350-3.jpg

update: Hang on, I think there's still stripes on the Raw Therapee version too. I was using the CLI earlier and might have used the wrong directory by accident, gonna doublecheck (edit: yeah, it turns out to have stripes too). The file opened with RT's GUI has stripes too. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 03:08:04 PM
Can you open this DNG in photoshop? http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/000000.dng

In ufraw it's 100% clean.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 03:11:34 PM
Yeah, it's clean in photoshop as well. Maybe it depends on what build of raw2dng I used at the time of posting that? I honestly can't remember whether it was one of your earlier builds or a.d.'s...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 03:14:10 PM
Yes, raw2dng has banding correction, and the algorithm was tweaked a few times.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 03:16:04 PM
Ok. Well, here's the DNG from the raw2dng.exe you posted ~30 mins ago: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350-4.dng
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 03:37:30 PM
You sure about that? Post the md5sum of raw2dng you have used and the conversion log.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 03:41:38 PM
MD5: eec7a999eece55305222ae455003445c

I don't know where the conversion log is. If it's at the end of the conversion... well I'll have to wait for ~6k frames to extract :P. I'll update in a couple mins.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 03:44:01 PM
Yep, it's the same as mine. The conversion log is whatever it prints on the terminal.

Can you upload the source raw? (or better, the first few MB of it)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on June 07, 2013, 03:44:53 PM
This latest build 6/6 is great speedwise.

However, I don't know why ML doesn't seem to save my raw settings. On previous builds it did. I even went in to the tools menu and made it save config now. I'm going to have to go back to an older build for now as I can't be changing 4-5 raw settings every time the camera is powered down and up.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 03:56:55 PM
Yep, it's the same as mine. The conversion log is whatever it prints on the terminal.

Can you upload the source raw? (or better, the first few MB of it)

Ah, I'm not sure how to copy text from the Windows command prompt so I can't provide that info atm. I'm guessing the relevant info is the vertical stripes correction? It reads like so:
Code: [Select]
1.000 1.000 1.028 1.025 1.064 1.059 1.028 1.027
Never tried splitting before so I don't know if HJsplit is appropriate. Here's the first 30 MB it produced: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/M06-1624-merge.RAW.001

The original is like 14.5 GB  :o so at that point, I might as well have made quick random recording instead.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 04:02:09 PM
The resulting DNG looks perfectly clean here...

http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/1624.dng
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 04:05:31 PM
Hmm, not here. I'm noticing stripes in both Raw Therapee and Photoshop, particularly noticeable by the wooden fence in the back.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: soulshooter on June 07, 2013, 04:26:41 PM
hey guys, trying to run my own tests but the link on the front page seems to be broken.
http://5dfilmmaking.com/05/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-5d2/

can anybody share instructions on how to get it up and working? thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
Hm, looks like weighting for highlights was the issue here.

Can you try these two converters?
http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/raw2dng_w1.exe (weight=1)
http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/raw2dng_wlog.exe (weight=log(x))
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Both look much better. I'll give the edge to raw2dng_w1.exe.

Processed JPEGs:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_w1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_wlog.jpg

DNGs:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_w1.dng
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_wlog.dng

I can just barely notice some vertical stripes on the blurry leaves to the left of the rose with the wlog version.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 04:44:44 PM
Cool. Now I have one DNG that has banding in the sky with these weights, and looks perfect with the one from the repo. Go figure...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 07, 2013, 04:48:29 PM
Hehe, perhaps there's no silver bullet. :o Seems like quite a predicament here!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 07, 2013, 06:20:29 PM
If its any help, vertical stripes are sometimes visible in cr2 files, especially if their pushed in post. Not sure if its the same thing.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 07, 2013, 06:32:51 PM
Since there are a couple of threads more or less dealing with RAW builts for 5D2 I think I may have lost overview; is there some sort of change-log to see what is going on in newer builts? I have not updated since over a week and I am still using the may 27th built with pravdomils module as it worked quite well for me... looking at some posts it feels as if newer builts were not always an improvement, what are the major additions in the latest versions?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 06:42:21 PM
@yoshiyuki: can you also try these two?

http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/raw2dng_wlog_ev.exe (log weight, histogram in EV instead of multiplication factors, no longer skewed)
http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/raw/raw2dng_w1_ev.exe (weight=1, histogram in EV)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 07, 2013, 06:48:44 PM
Africashot, you mean something else than the 'Change Log' on the front page of the forum?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 07, 2013, 07:01:57 PM
Africashot, you mean something else than the 'Change Log' on the front page of the forum?
Yes, I mean something specific to the 5D2 builds that are currently flying around... and I am not really saying there should be a changelog for this in specific, a vague update on what has been implemented over the last week will do it for me ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: squig on June 07, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
Cool. Now I have one DNG that has banding in the sky with these weights, and looks perfect with the one from the repo. Go figure...

lol. I was afraid your fix for people with stripes might give us stripes.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 07, 2013, 10:21:41 PM
4K video does not look good , even on my only 2.5k monitor.
really nasty edges.
upscaling = bad idea. ;)

its hard to Really to Judge 4K content on the net or on a 2.5K monitor,
the test was to see if it can be upscalded , and it can With More Work
& setup the shot alot better etc....
Like i said in my YouTube post it can be used As "B-Roll"
a second of two of footage mixed in to 4K content with a red or C500.
I guess i will do a  proper  Test and  Use my Canon "L" lens not my cheap Sigma. :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: marten on June 07, 2013, 10:21:50 PM
Does the Dolly mode work on 5D2? I'm using June 4th build and I'm having trouble with it. Is there a guide how to use it somewhere?

When I go into crop mode with 'dolly mode' enabled I can only get the frame to move within the display (using 1600x680) so I can dolly just a little. How can I get it to dolly from one side to the other? If there is a post explaining, please let me know. I have tried to search...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 07, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
Does the Dolly mode work on 5D2? I'm using June 4th build and I'm having trouble with it. Is there a guide how to use it somewhere?

When I go into crop mode with 'dolly mode' enabled I can only get the frame to move within the display (using 1600x680) so I can dolly just a little. How can I get it to dolly from one side to the other? If there is a post explaining, please let me know. I have tried to search...

i have used it with no problem, basically what i did was enable dolly mode , then start filming
press the little joystick up or down to pan then hit the center of the joystick to stop.
i can only pan up and down in full screen, i have not tried it in crop mode :D

edit: Sorry i didn't read your question right :-[
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 10:37:56 PM
Only a very small amount on 5D2, according to this chart: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215

Maybe it's more useful for 2.35:1 with vertical panning?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 08, 2013, 12:21:34 AM
@a1ex The results are quite similar to before. w1 looks virtually perfect for this particular image while log shows some faint stripes.

JPEG:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_w1_ev.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_wlog_ev.jpg

DNG:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_w1_ev.dng
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63799907/000350_raw2dng_wlog.dng
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: soulshooter on June 08, 2013, 03:12:09 AM
what happened to the tutorial URL?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 08, 2013, 03:33:16 AM
what happened to the tutorial URL?

YOu can use the google cache if you need it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Chan875 on June 08, 2013, 04:16:28 AM
Ok I really need some help here. So I had ML on my mark ii for some time, so I decided I would try RAW. It worked at first but when I shut my camera off it wouldn't boot back up. I pulled the battery and CF card out. I deleted everything ML related off the CF card, the problem is the camera runs fine with just the battery, but when I put in the CF card it wont boot up!! Please HELP!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 08, 2013, 07:15:08 AM
new build is amazing!!! im recording pretty much full hd 2:1 raw no stop... i dont really need bigger files than 4GB, specially for commercial production... thanks guys!!!! again!  :-X
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 08, 2013, 07:46:35 AM
new build is amazing!!! im recording pretty much full hd 2:1 raw no stop... i dont really need bigger files than 4GB, specially for commercial production... thanks guys!!!! again!  :-X
Sounds interesting, what built are you using (could you post a link please?) thanks a lot!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 08, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
new build is amazing!!! im recording pretty much full hd 2:1 raw no stop... i dont really need bigger files than 4GB, specially for commercial production... thanks guys!!!! again!  :-X

using jun 6 build? Full HD meaning 1920 x 1080? With jun 6 build 5d2 only does 1880 max and I'm only getting 1,400 frames around 3.7 gig before buffer overflows with 1880 x 940 2:1. Are you sure its "no stop" recording at 2:1 ?  2:1 ratio does not give you "full hd" spec. The closest to fullhd spec is 1880 x 1058 16:9 which currently gives around 348 frames.

Highest resolution with stable continuous recording using current builds is 1880x854 2.20:1 ratio.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 08, 2013, 08:42:34 AM
using jun 6 build... not full hd but 2:1 is close enough... yes that's pretty much what everyone using a 1000x+ card will get with a 5dmk2 i guess... personally i dont like filming long takes, unless it is necessary, or im intended too. So 4GB limit with RAW is fine for me, with +-1500 frames i can film a lot of stuff ! :D im going to get a mk3 to work together... might be good live out of the moire/aliasing word tho.  :o


edit: probably for the last five months all my work was finished with 2:35 crop.... now its coming out straight ! :D and RAW that's GOLD for me!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: marten on June 08, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
i have used it with no problem, basically what i did was enable dolly mode , then start filming
press the little joystick up or down to pan then hit the center of the joystick to stop.
i can only pan up and down in full screen, i have not tried it in crop mode :D

edit: Sorry i didn't read your question right :-[

Ok, so the dolly mode cannot pan the entire sensor from left to right in crop mode. I think that would have been useful.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 08, 2013, 11:44:26 AM
There's a small delay when changing the crop window (at least via properties). Maybe in the future we'll figure it out.

On 5D3/6D, the crop window has over 3500 pixels, and panning makes a bit more sense there.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 08, 2013, 01:18:05 PM
Ok I really need some help here. So I had ML on my mark ii for some time, so I decided I would try RAW. It worked at first but when I shut my camera off it wouldn't boot back up. I pulled the battery and CF card out. I deleted everything ML related off the CF card, the problem is the camera runs fine with just the battery, but when I put in the CF card it wont boot up!! Please HELP!

had this problem a while back, the card is probably busted, i had to pull the clock battery out just to get the camera to boot.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: soulshooter on June 08, 2013, 01:48:43 PM
YOu can use the google cache if you need it.

worked like a charm. thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Chan875 on June 08, 2013, 04:06:24 PM
had this problem a while back, the card is probably busted, i had to pull the clock battery out just to get the camera to boot.


Actually I got lucky and fixed it this morning. When I put the CF card in the camera it wouldn't boot, I had deleted ML RAW so I decided to try and download v2.3 back on to my card. When I put the card back in the camera it booted up with ML on it just fine!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sebble on June 09, 2013, 12:13:09 AM
I do get some little black/stuck pixels with ISO 1250 and higher  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 09, 2013, 03:38:26 AM
Great work to all the dev! The last build seems really cool. I'm doing some noob testing with my sandisk 60mb/s (43/real).
The image quality is so wonderful <3

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOalRAGM.jpg&hash=4f1d9694ce443ea363719b453766df6b)



I do get some little black/stuck pixels with ISO 1250 and higher  :-[ :-[ :-[

camera raw should help you to get rid of them :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 09, 2013, 06:15:24 AM
Hello All  :)
install the new June 8th built, speed is the same 1880x854 good and steady, reliable.
i did have a problem in crop mode 10x recorded 1880x854 pink corruption on the top 1/3
of the image and the bottom 2/3  was distorted, but on alternating frame , used the new
raw2dng.exe .
i had no problem in the 5x crop mode @ 1880x854 look OK & of course in full screen  had No problems.
I like the raw record menu option :) that's great plus the option for the black overlay is cool to,
personal i don't use it .
i did notice a slight increase in writing load from 64.3MB/s to 67 - 68.5MB/s
i had not problems writing with my Lexar 1000x 32GB card .
i going to do the tests again and see if i have problems with the 10x mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 09, 2013, 06:50:07 AM
Hello All  :)
install the new June 8th built, speed is the same 1880x854 good and steady, reliable.
i did have a problem in crop mode 10x recorded 1880x854 pink corruption on the top 1/3
of the image and the bottom 2/3  was distorted, but on alternating frame , used the new
raw2dng.exe .
i had no problem in the 5x crop mode @ 1880x854 look OK & of course in full screen  had No problems.
I like the raw record menu option :) that's great plus the option for the black overlay is cool to,
personal i don't use it .
i did notice a slight increase in writing load from 64.3MB/s to 67 - 68.5MB/s
i had not problems writing with my Lexar 1000x 32GB card .
i going to do the tests again and see if i have problems with the 10x mode.

You could record in x10 crop mode with the 5d2 now? I did know it could do that.

Testing it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 09, 2013, 07:45:10 AM
yes, you can record in 10x & 5x
i just finish a crop record test to see if i still had the problem,
I seem to have no problem now  :o
this is a list of what my 5D2 did in crop mode  i think it was 5x ,

1920x1038= 365 frames @24p
2048x820 =  2040 frames @24p  :)
2048x930 = 540 frames @24p  ???
2152x1078 = 176 frames @24p

and at  2K the image is out standing  ;D
recorded to Lexar 1000x 32GB card


update: 10x crop mode
              2152x718 @24p until the card is Full
              Write speed 63.0 - 66.2MB/s (about)
              1 Star Buffer most of time, the odd time
              it would go to 2 buffer stars but only briefly
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 09, 2013, 09:47:22 AM
yes, you can record in 10x & 5x
i just finish a crop record test to see if i still had the problem,


My test with my charts show that you can't record in 10x crop mode.

You will be viewing canon preview in 10x magnify and when you press raw recording, only 5x crop mode will be recorded with offset framing.

In 5x magnify crop mode, you can use ML preview for proper framing (b&W) and what you you framed is actually what is recorded.


So here are my issues with this build, jun 8 uploaded by a.d.

1. raw recording should not be possible when 10x magnify is engaged if only 5x is possible. An info text should show instead what is and what is not possible.

2. Half press shutter enables raw recording when af-on is selected, half press should be disabled for raw record.

3. Settings are not saved upon power off and reboot and defaults not ideal, for instance wav recording is default when this is problematic on 5d2.
with so many settings to engage before recording, like ratio, sound, rec button etc, saving your settings is important.

4. a minor bug,  after format, the file browser is not updated immediately and still shows old files. though upon turning lv on and off then going back to ml menu it is now refreshed. this is minor but might mislead someone.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
1. what if you want to focus on the bigger image?

2. that's why I still recommend the LiveView button (all these top buttons send the same code)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 09, 2013, 09:58:59 AM
1. what if you want to focus on the bigger image?

2. that's why I still recommend the LiveView button (all these top buttons send the same code)

Focusing via magnify is always an aid tool, but information should be indicated that what is recorded is still 5x crop, as previous poster reddeercity mistakenly believes that what he is seeing is actually being recorded. If this is left as is its ok, but really less useful as it is less accurate for framing.

The previous build does not activate recording via half press. Just remove the live view option for record as consensus is that most find the options between af_on or joystick is a more logical in terms of "finger management". ;)


edit: I double checked going far as may 31 and found that , YES half press raw rec is still there.
So, ok if this is difficult, we can leave it as is, I can live with it as accidental recordings can now be deleted unlike the early builds.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 09, 2013, 10:07:50 AM
Well, the AF-ON is technically impossible to implemement reliably (if you compile from the official repo you won't find that there), and joystick... it's for centering the focus box.

I prefer portable code, and for now, LiveView button is the only portable solution, because almost all other cameras are using it for normal H.264 recording (except 50D). The idea behind modules was that they should be portable, same binary working on all cameras.

Also, a.d. should point out the differences between his builds the and main repo.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 09, 2013, 10:16:05 AM
Well, the AF-ON is technically impossible to implemement reliably (if you compile from the official repo you won't find that there), and joystick... it's for centering the focus box.

I prefer portable code, and for now, LiveView button is the only portable solution, because almost all other cameras are using it for normal H.264 recording (except 50D). The idea behind modules was that they should be portable, same binary working on all cameras.

Also, a.d. should point out the differences between his builds the and main repo.

for the rec button, i'm fine that the options are given.
its ok then. I can live with it as it would be similar to some video cameras with dual or even triple buttons for recording, the handgrip, top handle and sometimes in other part of the camera body, in eng cams it would be in the left part front area.

Hopefully the ability to save settings would also finally be figured out, I think that's more important than the other quirks I am reporting.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: aleksei.lungu on June 09, 2013, 01:18:05 PM
Hi Guys! Need help!

I have used mac about ten ears. But now i have noob brain for this moment.  I try to install Raw to MKII.
Downloaded right zip from topicstarter link, Copied file to ML root folder and started terminal like this

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs019.radikal.ru%2Fi638%2F1306%2F47%2F529663ac761d.png&hash=5c786c7df24fbf0ecf9ca3438e4795ac)

And it has ganerated some new files.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs16.radikal.ru%2Fi190%2F1306%2F67%2F8886fbbf167e.jpg&hash=93f9cad9c66a09da7b6b5bf8c4c50749)

Tell me, what i'm doing wrong, and can someone make quick little tutorial step by step.. ))  I need to shot a music video in several hours. Big thanks.

Big thanks :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on June 09, 2013, 05:09:13 PM
Hi Guys! Need help!

I have used mac about ten ears. But now i have noob brain for this moment.  I try to install Raw to MKII.
Downloaded right zip from topicstarter link, Copied file to ML root folder and started terminal like this

http://s019.radikal.ru/i638/1306/47/529663ac761d.png

And it has ganerated some new files.
http://s16.radikal.ru/i190/1306/67/8886fbbf167e.jpg

Tell me, what i'm doing wrong, and can someone make quick little tutorial step by step.. ))  I need to shot a music video in several hours. Big thanks.

Big thanks :)

What exactly are you trying to do in Terminal? Joining files over 4 GB? You don't need to fiddle with that to record RAW video on the 5D Mark II.

Look at the tutorial (http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/install) on how to install Magic Lantern on your camera.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 09, 2013, 05:17:18 PM
The latest OSX RAW2DNG isnt working for me  :-[, creates two separate folders both empty and lots of txt shows in the box underneath in details, im using an older version which works well  :) but would be nice to be able to use some of the new features :) im not sure what version im currently using either as under About it shows 1.0 still and noticed it says that on all versions i downloaded.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cheguevara on June 09, 2013, 08:26:05 PM
using jun 6 build... not full hd but 2:1 is close enough... yes that's pretty much what everyone using a 1000x+ card will get with a 5dmk2 i guess... personally i dont like filming long takes, unless it is necessary, or im intended too. So 4GB limit with RAW is fine for me, with +-1500 frames i can film a lot of stuff ! :D im going to get a mk3 to work together... might be good live out of the moire/aliasing word tho.  :o


edit: probably for the last five months all my work was finished with 2:35 crop.... now its coming out straight ! :D and RAW that's GOLD for me!
Can you please share (upload) your complete ML foder with autoexe.bin and *.fir files... I cant seem to manage it to work... its confusing why there are no complete builds for download... thank you very much!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 09, 2013, 09:43:42 PM
Can you please share (upload) your complete ML foder with autoexe.bin and *.fir files... I cant seem to manage it to work... its confusing why there are no complete builds for download... thank you very much!

If you go back to pages (6), (7) i wrote a short tutorial how to
install from the beginning with prepare your card etc...
about half way down the page.
make sure you read the part about "SCRIPTS" on page 7 ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: aleksei.lungu on June 09, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
What exactly are you trying to do in Terminal? Joining files over 4 GB? You don't need to fiddle with that to record RAW video on the 5D Mark II.

Look at the tutorial (http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/install) on how to install Magic Lantern on your camera.

Hi PressureFM, i don't have any problems with installation of ML to my Mark II, problem is, how to install RAW plugin or patch, or what ever it is to camera. I tryed a latest build, the link is same as topicstarter updated on first page.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cheguevara on June 09, 2013, 11:06:45 PM
If you go back to pages (6), (7) i wrote a short tutorial how to
install from the beginning with prepare your card etc...
about half way down the page.
make sure you read the part about "SCRIPTS" on page 7 ;)
Yeah i've done that and had it working a few weeks ago when it started but it buged alot so i reverted to original ML
Its hard to find 6june build with modules and .fir an autoexec.bat combination thats working...or any other for that sake... dont know why its not included in nightly builds...
sorry but i really cant find the combination thats working  :(
even when i find the one that shows Modules menu in ML it does not record raw...
PS. i find it hard to belive that 60mb/s is not enough for 2K raw video... as 2K picture is roughly 2Mmpix  in RAW that about 2-3mb. Make it 2.5mb x 24frames is exactly 60mb/s needed for it... :o
Im using 16gb 60mb/s SanDisk cards
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 09, 2013, 11:53:06 PM
Yeah i've done that and had it working a few weeks ago when it started but it buged alot so i reverted to original ML
Its hard to find 6june build with modules and .fir an autoexec.bat combination thats working...or any other for that sake... dont know why its not included in nightly builds...
sorry but i really cant find the combination thats working  :(
even when i find the one that shows Modules menu in ML it does not record raw...
PS. i find it hard to belive that 60mb/s is not enough for 2K raw video... as 2K picture is roughly 2Mmpix  in RAW that about 2-3mb. Make it 2.5mb x 24frames is exactly 60mb/s needed for it... :o
Im using 16gb 60mb/s SanDisk cards

OK,  :)
 i way just doing some crop 5x recording @ 2152x820 24p & i can only get about 2000 frames then it stops.
now the only reason that it stops is the bus interface to the CF card was never design to maintain write speed beyond
69.9 MB/s. How do i know this? because of the above test i was doing.
the camera Started to write @66.5 MB/s & built up to 68.5MB/s until the bus interface can't keep up  anymore and stops.
this is when it goes be-on 69.8 MB/s
i have a Lexar 1000x 32GB , benches @write 65.5MB/s read @ 70 MB/s that it.  i just keeps up in a 5d2, if it was a 5d3 it design to write @ 90MB/s & up becauses of the "all i" in h264.
i have a Scandisk 32GB 60MB/s 400x, the max size it records is 1440x810 24p, it benches @ 50MB/s with 16k alignment & 32K alignment
drop to around 40MB/s.
to get more stable speed
Try to format your card but do a low level format, uncheck the Quick format box & try a 16K alignment
it will take some time 30 to 50 min.

How are you setting up camera ?
what frame size are trying to capture?
Start at lower frame size and find one that you can record a full card at,
then work with the next size up and fine tune the camera, eg. turn of overlays etc..
to see if you can get that stable.
I hope that helps  :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cheguevara on June 10, 2013, 01:11:38 AM
Hi, i tested it weeks ago with 1880x800 or so and 1280*720... the later one worked for about 4-5 sec before skipping frames...
but now it's not working :( i'm trying everything but it just not even showing Modules menu or when it does (raw video checked) does not start raw recording (it does h.264) ...
im missing something definitely... ???
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Burair on June 10, 2013, 01:30:46 AM
Helloo

I have 5d m2 , when I installed the ML there was no RAW VIDEO function !!
how can i get it ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 10, 2013, 01:44:53 AM
Hi, i tested it weeks ago with 1880x800 or so and 1280*720... the later one worked for about 4-5 sec before skipping frames...
but now it's not working :( i'm trying everything but it just not even showing Modules menu or when it does (raw video checked) does not start raw recording (it does h.264) ...
im missing something definitely... ???
before you try the below,
in the Modules folder do you have ?
 FILE_MAN.MO
 MAGIC.SYS
 RAW_REC.MO
and  the new autoexec.bin on the Root of the card
this must be from the some built, can not mix difference Raw record modules
components 

Try deleting the log files in the ML folder/Logs folder
first, i do this when i load new Raw record module
if that doesn't Help delete the setting files (2 of them)(*.cfg)

 :)



Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 10, 2013, 01:45:58 AM
go back to 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2, n there be a download section at top in red, choose latest win or osx, replace files on card with downloaded ones (tip: open each folder and drag n replace)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 10, 2013, 01:47:57 AM
Helloo

I have 5d m2 , when I installed the ML there was no RAW VIDEO function !!
how can i get it ?

go to page 6 & 7 that should help and go to page 1 to down load the
latest raw modules ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Burair on June 10, 2013, 01:59:01 AM
go to page 6 & 7 that should help and go to page 1 to down load the
latest raw modules ;)

i will try and come back
thank ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mgm on June 10, 2013, 10:31:59 AM
Hi All,

Can you give me advise on buying a card for 5D2 RAW? Should I go for:

1) 32GB SanDisk UDMA7 90MB/s card
or
2) 32GB Lexar 600X 90MB/s card?

I'm not planning to buy the Lexar 1000x card, just want to know which one of these 2 is better.

I am currently running 5D2 with June 06 firmware and I can record about of 45 seconds of 1720x732@24p on an old 8GB SanDisk 60MB/s card.

Thanks,

M
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 10, 2013, 03:36:40 PM
I'm having a strange problem. When I try to make a RAW recording, or even a benchmark test!, without reason at a certain point the mirror shut down and the live view button make a blue light. The RAW recording is corrupt and I can't take out the dngs (Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file).
I'm using the latest build and raw2dng macosx for 5D2 Beta ver.0.4.

:(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Raelic on June 10, 2013, 04:08:39 PM
@mgm : I have the SanDisk 90MB/s card (got it a week or so back). It works great, no complaints.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 10, 2013, 04:46:03 PM
@mgm : I have the SanDisk 90MB/s card (got it a week or so back). It works great, no complaints.

Your using this on the 5dmkII right? are you able to record 1720 x 968 or 1880 x 854 continuously with this card without dropped frames? This could be a cheaper solution, I have the lexar 1000x and is looking to buy a 2nd one.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mgm on June 10, 2013, 05:59:46 PM
@mgm : I have the SanDisk 90MB/s card (got it a week or so back). It works great, no complaints.

Cool, what's the maximum resolution you get for continuous shooting, and how with how many buffer stars?

Thx
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Burair on June 10, 2013, 07:19:22 PM
Hello I tried the raw 5d m2, and it worked.

When i tested the raw video i got 2 problems :
- the camera goes off automatically !
- when i record i get a pink bar while shooting for 1 sec only !

any solution ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 10, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
Hello I tried the raw 5d m2, and it worked.

 problems :
- the camera goes off automatically !

Do you mean that the mirror shut down automatically? It's my problem  :'(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 10, 2013, 07:53:57 PM
Auto power off > Off
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Archduke3 on June 10, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
@mgm : I have the SanDisk 90MB/s card (got it a week or so back). It works great, no complaints.

Really?

I just tried with the latest build and my 64gb card (UDMA 6 version) and I can't get passed 800 frames. The constant write is around 60mb/s and I am using the 1880 resolution. I was told somewhere to go into "hacker mode" and turn off global draw. Couldn't find that mode, but global draw off gave me an extra 20 frames.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 10, 2013, 08:28:31 PM
I have the Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB 90MB/s UDMA7 card, too.

In some recent tests with the newest build from 06/08/13, I can most of the time record contiously at 1880x800. Just sometimes the write rate decreases for some unrecognizable reason which causes the buffer to overflow.

But still, I'm waiting for a Lexar 1000x 32GB to arrive these days. This card is said to be even faster on the 5D2; so the recording could be much more stable due to the transfer rate.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 10, 2013, 08:30:13 PM
Auto power off > Off
Omg THANK YOU. This was driving me crazy. I don't know how I've not understood it by myself. Yesterday it wasn't shutting down.

Anyway, my Sandisk 16GB 60mb/s can record a full card with 1472X828 resolution.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 10, 2013, 08:43:48 PM
Quote
Your using this on the 5dmkII right? are you able to record 1720 x 968 or 1880 x 854 continuously with this card without dropped frames? This could be a cheaper solution, I have the lexar 1000x and is looking to buy a 2nd one.

Ted, I bought a Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s card, and it will do 1880x800 continously but above that it stops before 4GB.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 10, 2013, 09:26:53 PM
Hello All  :)
Every one that's thinking of Buying Other then a Lexar 1000x 32GB CF card.
you will Not have Stable continuous  Raw recording @ 1880x845 @24p or any Standard size.
i have spent a many days with my(2) Scandisk 400X 60MB/s,16GB, (1) Scandisk 400x 60MB/s 32GB ,(1)Scandisk 600x 90MB/s 32GB
the Maximum Write Speed for Scandisk is average 43MB/s to 52MB/s and the odd time it would hit 60 MB/s but only for a moment.
that was on the 600x Scandisk. The only stable size for continuous that i got on my 5d2 was 1440x810 ?
and at that it wasn't that stable.
if you are only looking for 100-200 frames any card can do, but really that's no good.
i can continuous record raw @1880x854 until full about 7.5 minute.
in 5x crop mode i can  continuous record raw @ 2152x808 24p until card is full.
i Get only 1 buffer star and the readout says i'm recording @ 67.8 MB/s, & for 1880x854 thats 64.3 MB/s :)
in 5x crop mode 1920x872 24p i can do about 2000 Fames .

you must remember there is over head in the file writing, so if you need let say 50MB/s and you card is good for 50MB/s
you would think that would be OK, but in reality you would need about 53- 55Mb/s to maintain 50MB/s
so in the End it would be to every ones advantage  if you but a higher end CF Card like, Lexar 1000x, or Hoodman 1000x etc....

Personal i will stay with the Lexar 1000x cards 32 or 64, there are Rock Solid and a Great investment,
and it you ungrade to 5d3 then you are set to go '

 " It always better to have too much than not enough" ;D

 
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on June 10, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
1) well.. it's simple to say get a lexar but in Europe where i live it's about 410$ the 32GB one :)

2) Transcend 1000x and the others (Komputerbay and Sandisk 90MB are pretty stable in you record in 800x instead of 854x (continuous i mean)  (I dont consider it a big difference)
3) With the latest speed improvements there is hope to get stable 854p for the others
4) The Lexar 1000x will never be used at full speed on a 5D2 (so you pay for something you will never use)
5) a fast CF card is not a good investment.. Sure, after 3 years when you're gonna switch for the 5D3, you'll be able to get a Kingston, Transcend, Delkin (cheap cards) with 128-256GB of storage able to record full HD 25/30fps

6) Did i mention that it costs 410$ in Romania? :))
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 10, 2013, 11:41:02 PM
6) Did i mention that it costs 410$ in Romania? :))

It's not the right topic to talk about that but... on ebay you can buy it 140€. And I think it's already a lot.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 10, 2013, 11:44:18 PM
Can anyone confirm 10th july build more stable than 8th?
 i like 8th july's but im worried bout 10th july's lol  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 10, 2013, 11:45:20 PM
June sorry not July... thinking ahead!! haha  :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 10, 2013, 11:59:32 PM
i see your  point , :) i didn't realize that there so hi-priced :o
in Canada i paid 1/2 that $200.00 , I don't understand that, 2X the cost
How about HoodMan? or Toshiba 1066x ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 11, 2013, 12:25:07 AM
Ted, I bought a Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s card, and it will do 1880x800 continously but above that it stops before 4GB.

Thank you for this info.  How about 1720 x 968 ? Its slightly less wide but a bit higher than 1880 x 800 and can easily be scaled since it is 16:9 ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 11, 2013, 12:31:59 AM
Quote
How about 1720 x 968

Considered higher than 1880x800.. I can shoot a minute or a bit more in 1720 x 968, but its above the threshold for continuous so far.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 11, 2013, 12:39:04 AM
Considered higher than 1880x800.. I can shoot a minute or a bit more in 1720 x 968, but its above the threshold for continuous so far.

Thank you. I was thinking of wiggling down a bit to slightly lowers speeds for cost savings, but based on your tests, I think that current ML raw development demands the high speed 1000x cf cards to get the maximum possible performance from the 5D mkII.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 11, 2013, 12:52:52 AM
I like the warning on the new build :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 11, 2013, 02:20:34 AM
 :)
Just testing the new June 10th built, it look like there is a little more speed :D
i have more stable  frame sizes as follows
5x crop mode
                     1920x872@24p =2777 frames
                     2048x820@24p = continuous
                     2048x856@24p = continuous
                     2048x872@24p =1500 Frames
                     2152x808@24p = continuous
                     2152x860@24p = continuous

Non crop mode
                     1728x972 @24p = continuous
                     1880x854 @24p = continuous
                     1880x940 @24p =1500 Frames
                  tested with  Lexar 1000x 32GB
                     
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 11, 2013, 04:34:00 AM
Wow -- I'm seeing 70MB/sec on this build which is about 650 frames at 1880 x 1016.  Great work everyone.

a.d. / Alex, is there any way to enable 1806 x 1016 as a 16:9 resolution choice?  With the latest speed improvements, that might now be a continuous resolution for 16:9 on the 5d2.

Edit:  Ok likely not continuous -- I'm seeing 2300 frames at 1880 x 940, which is great.  If 1806 x 1016 is 1000 frames or better, that would be a great option.

Again, great work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mgm on June 11, 2013, 05:09:47 AM
Okay, a follow-up question, - which of the 1000x cards is better for 5D2?

1) 32GB Komputerbay 1000x
vs
2) 32GB Lexar 1000x

Thanks,

M
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 11, 2013, 05:25:01 AM
There's such variation card to card that I don't know that there is an answer to that question.  Personally, my Komputerbay 64GB 1000x is faster than my Lexar 32GB 1000x.  But for others it may be the reverse.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: siebenmorgen on June 11, 2013, 09:11:24 AM
For me the 10th build is an improvement in speed. I can get about 770 frames in 1880 x 940 now on a Komputerbay 1000x  64GB. Great work! I' am so happy!

The Zacuto Monitor still doesn't show the right frame size and the position of the frame shifted to the left side. So, work with an external monitor is still very difficult. I hope this could be fixed.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 11, 2013, 09:27:46 AM
Wait a minute... my latest speed optimization was 3 days ago... (1479df3+f884d7a+150a9c5)

Could it be this? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/61b6b1dc97a15a6c780cdae587a75679fc53aac3

Can you run a hg bisect to identify the changeset?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 11, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
1479df3+f884d7a+150a9c5
The 3 were already in last build, only 61b6b1d was not.

Is the edmac_memcpy, 150a9c5, fixed not for corrupt frames?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 11, 2013, 11:34:57 AM
wow... so 10th's June seems be a big step forward again! Thanks guys who got back to me! sounds like a must have!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: siebenmorgen on June 11, 2013, 11:40:26 AM
Sorry to say, that I don‘t know how to run a hg bisect. I am running the last version posted here: https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads  1222c61e8120.zip.

Works great! Except the Frame size and position in external monitor.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cheguevara on June 11, 2013, 11:42:56 AM
i got it working somehow :)))
but i find few quircks... average speed of h.264 is 50-54mbs and raw doesnt fo furhter than 35mbs  ???
how to record 1280x720 without crop 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 11, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
Is the edmac_memcpy, 150a9c5, fixed not for corrupt frames?

I have no idea, you have to find out ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 11, 2013, 11:51:54 AM
i got it working somehow :)))
but i find few quircks... average speed of h.264 is 50-54mbs and raw doesnt fo furhter than 35mbs  ???
how to record 1280x720 without crop 
Don't forget that RAW unit of measurement for bitrate is in MB/s (megabytes per second) while h.264 is in Mb/s (megabits per second). 1 byte = 8 bits.

50-54 Mb/s video is only about 6.5 MB/s. RAW video pushes the bitrates on the 5D2 up to 60-70 MB/s!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: intrinsic on June 11, 2013, 03:41:13 PM
Hi everyone!
I've got transcend 1000x 16Gb UDMA7 and ML benchmarks shows that it's capable of write speed up to 70Mb/s
In real action it shows no more than 58Mb/s
As I understand write speed depends on buffer size? And this speed/buffer size combination is unique for every card?
Is it theoretically possible to squeeze maximum from my card (this case 70Mb/s) by some sort of buffer size optimization or the only option here is to buy "legendary" Lexar 32Gb 1000x?

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: plaxser on June 11, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
Hi everyone.
I ran into problem while trying to convert some of the raw videos.
While most of them are easily converted with the latest raw2dng (10 june), three videos (shot on build 08 june) of my batch reported following error:
"File Supported Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file"
Is there any solution?

PS Thanks to all developers for their amazing work!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: scarimbolo on June 11, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
So I installed the latest build on my 5DMK2, recording works just fine with a Transcend 32GB 400x (60MB/s) BUT
I'm experiencing one major problem: as soon as I drag the .RAW file (in this case 370MB) into the RAW2DNG.app, it says "file supported" but there aren't any DNGs in the designated folder that is created by the converter.  :'(

has anyone had the same problem and got it solved?

Cheers, Alex
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 11, 2013, 09:28:10 PM
So I installed the latest build on my 5DMK2, recording works just fine with a Transcend 32GB 400x (60MB/s) BUT
I'm experiencing one major problem: as soon as I drag the .RAW file (in this case 370MB) into the RAW2DNG.app, it says "file supported" but there aren't any DNGs in the designated folder that is created by the converter.  :'(

has anyone had the same problem and got it solved?

Cheers, Alex

Got same problem  :-[ im using an older version that works great and also use RAWmagic which is nice indeed, iv noticed theres things you can do to get the latest RAW2DNG working but ill be honest and say i dont know much about terminal and how to code it to work, going to stick with old version and latest RAWmagic for now as there working great so far :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 11, 2013, 09:48:31 PM
This new build (1222c61e8120) gets my write speeds up to 66.*MB/s, where as the last (d5a606e8c616) got me 63.*MB/s. At 1728x972 (25fps) thats got me up from around 700 to around 1200 frames before it hit's the wall.

Nice one chaps!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cheguevara on June 11, 2013, 10:24:39 PM
ok... i have not been clear enough its 50000 kbps so its about 47 mbps ;) for h.264 and only 35000 kbps for RAW
anyway ill thnk ill do a low level format...
the other thing is how to rec 1280x720 without croped frame...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on June 11, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
Is there any way we can save our settings in the raw module? It's great for experimenting now but for practical use it really would be beneficial to set up my preferred settings (rec button, resolution, sound sync beep on) and not have to reset them on each boot.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mageye on June 11, 2013, 11:27:06 PM
Is there any way we can save our settings in the raw module? It's great for experimenting now but for practical use it really would be beneficial to set up my preferred settings (rec button, resolution, sound sync beep on) and not have to reset them on each boot.

I totally agree. It's a nightmare every time the card is taken out to check out the footage on the computer and then having to go through the laborious process of setting up a RAW module settings. And if you need to quickly record something its near impossible if you have to go through the settings again. ::)

The ability to be able to save the settings is very important and really hope that we see something soon.

Also I just thought I would also applaud the noted increase in speed performance in writing! YAY! :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: scarimbolo on June 12, 2013, 12:03:07 AM
Got same problem  :-[ im using an older version that works great and also use RAWmagic which is nice indeed, iv noticed theres things you can do to get the latest RAW2DNG working but ill be honest and say i dont know much about terminal and how to code it to work, going to stick with old version and latest RAWmagic for now as there working great so far :)

I'm jumping around my desk writing this. Just downloaded Version 0.9 and it finally works after 2 entire days of trial, failing and raging! Thank you for your suggestion, you saved me!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 12, 2013, 12:12:10 AM
I'm jumping around my desk writing this. Just downloaded Version 0.9 and it finally works after 2 entire days of trial, failing and raging! Thank you for your suggestion, you saved me!

No problem dude!! glad i helped you out! dont like knowing people are missing out on the best ML ever so far  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 12, 2013, 12:19:23 PM
Could this post be pinned at top by any chance? its going further and further down the page each day  :P i like this section as its where i get my latest's beta's  ;D

Cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ch_d on June 12, 2013, 05:02:53 PM
I have problems with my external SmallHD DP4 monitor. The recording preview frame is off ... In the camera it is on the right place.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 12, 2013, 05:35:04 PM
Sorry for abit of a noob question..

Is the Alpha one for 5Dmkii the same as latest modules but all combined into one download?

sorry if this reads wrong im bad at grammar, what im trying to say is if i download the latest modules (12th June) and replace old ones is it the same as just downloading the full alpha one?

Cheers,

Doyle
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 12, 2013, 06:24:57 PM
5D2 Alpha One is a complete editon for beginners. The main idea is to create a starting point package.
For update just download the update build like before.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 12, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
5D2 Alpha One is a complete editon for beginners. The main idea is to create a starting point package.
For update just download the update build like before.

Thanks a.d. ill carry on the way i have before then, cheers  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ralf4u on June 12, 2013, 09:11:32 PM
I've got it ... 600 MB RAW file. But now I start raw2dng for WIN and the cmd-window appears for a short time. Nothing with drag-and-drop. It's late and I'm tired. Please spend me some ideas what's going wrong.

Thanks.

ralf4u
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 12, 2013, 09:27:25 PM
maybe you have lv_rec error?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 13, 2013, 12:41:56 AM
Any ideia why in the newest build's when i use the 5x i cant see the white frame anymore.. it was so useful to me! it is something that i can customise?

edit: i can record 70mb/s always in 5x but in normal mode it goes around 68 67mb/s only is that right ? ?  im with fps override 24 all time...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: david.p.livingston on June 13, 2013, 01:25:00 AM
Hey Guys,

New to the Forum, but have been messing with the new raw function since it first went live. I'm getting weird magenta shadows wherever the camera is dealing with Moire in the latest build (6/12). Anyone else seeing the same?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 13, 2013, 01:26:49 AM
On my 5D2 and with (2013/06/10)-build I was able to record at 1880x800@24,00fps until my Sandisk Extreme Pro (UDMA7) was filled up (32GB).
The write rate differed between 59MB/s and 62MB/s; so the buffer filled slowly (but didn't reach the top, before the card reached it's end).

A new Lexar 32GB 1000x arrived today. With it and the latest build (2013/06/12) I'm now able to continously record at 1880x854 @ 25,00fps!
Title: off centered image in crop mode measurements (5d2)
Post by: ted ramasola on June 13, 2013, 04:49:47 AM
Using jun 12 build posted by a.d  I made chart tests to check the centering and framing of cropped raw recording.
The preview image using ML grayscale is low res and pixelated, but using a res chart to guide in centering and framing I made these measurements.
This might help ML programmers in making corrections for crop mode preview.

resolution:            Offset in pixels:  ^=up   <=left

2152 x 1078          46^  12<
2048 x 1078          49^  9 < 
1920 x 1078          69^  9 <
1880 x 1058          69^  1 <
1880 x 854            17^  2 <
1728 x 972            58^  5 <

I've done the tests twice and some of the offsets would vary by 2-7 pixels so the results I averaged.
The vertical offset is bigger, the horizontal is a bit negligible, I hope this can still be tweaked to make this feature more usable.

below are 2 frames from the test to show the offset framing.
1728 x 972
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F1014744_526206410769762_600208766_o.jpg&hash=779b94cc339a0672ef3ac5aff0e9df72)

1880 x 852
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F1015225_526206407436429_1946786011_o.jpg&hash=25dd7ce54155e12532e39dc98e4acdfd)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bonyfacii on June 13, 2013, 06:21:36 AM
Hello everyone! my English is very bad, so I write a google translator) At the forum, I was a novice to yet I do not programmer, but I've tested all assemblies for 5dmII. Virtually all builds (except 5/19/2013 and 5/31/2013) I see a strange artifact - a green dot on the bottom left of the screen closer to the center. at the latest build it too is (a4ed372144). strange, but praised the latest build, it turns out that it only bothers me (maybe someone knows what this is? problemmy with my equipment? (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F72EVLv8.jpg&hash=80552de7c821431b35f7535d2b7a8524) (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOd3kL3o.jpg&hash=23f8946c6b6b3ebd96644b42d944d814) (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZGP4tGo.jpg&hash=efbdf707343c98ccef030f0b7dbb9db9)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 13, 2013, 11:56:51 AM
Yesterdays build (a4ed3721fc44) has a small negative impact on speed for me. I've lost approx 1-2 MB/s compared to 1222c61e8120. Great to have record back on the set button. And no more magenta previews in finder, at least not for me when using RAWMagic b4 on Mac OS 10.8.3.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: tepelstreeltje on June 13, 2013, 12:56:00 PM
Hi There! I am trying to install the latest release from two days ago, but it won't install! It goes from the first firmware update screen to blank! Then I have to take the battery out to reboot again... I don't get it.

I have had a previous ML installed which is ML-5D2-unified-2011Dec22-EarlyPreview for capturing HDR video. Now I have not used this for a long time and figured, let's install a new ML for capturing RAW!

It just won't install. Anyone have had this problem and how do I install it?

Thanks!

edit: My current firmware version is 2.1.1 because I needed that for my previous ML
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 13, 2013, 12:59:59 PM
Hi There! I am trying to install the latest release from two days ago, but it won't install! It goes from the first firmware update screen to blank! Then I have to take the battery out to reboot again... I don't get it.

I have had a previous ML installed which is ML-5D2-unified-2011Dec22-EarlyPreview for capturing HDR video. Now I have not used this for a long time and figured, let's install a new ML for capturing RAW!

It just won't install. Anyone have had this problem and how do I install it?

Thanks!

edit: My current firmware version is 2.1.1 because I needed that for my previous ML

Remove ML from ur camera, upgrade to 2.1.2 and then go back to page one on this topic and download the 5D Alpha One :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: tepelstreeltje on June 13, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
Thanks! It works now!  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 13, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
Thanks! It works now!  ;D

Welcome dude  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 13, 2013, 02:41:00 PM
Nice update guys for the x5 and x10 framing  :D

is x3 possible on 5D mkii at all? sorry if this has been mentioned else where.

Cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 13, 2013, 02:44:23 PM
Oops my bad, Framing has been known as an issue in x5 and x10... fast reading for you ha. But save feature is good  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bonyfacii on June 13, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
in the assembly "ee3385aa13bd" green dot is: (it's a small problem, but I hope it will correct)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on June 13, 2013, 05:33:06 PM
Next release!

Playback frame skiping! Fast preview. Dynamic interface coordinates. Mask box updated to recording frame, now with no flicker. Restored frame skipping. Some module credits.

https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo (https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 13, 2013, 05:53:27 PM
Next release!

Playback frame skiping! Fast preview. Dynamic interface coordinates. Mask box updated to recording frame, now with no flicker. Restored frame skipping. Some module credits.

https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo (https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo)

This is good development. Question; Is this update based on the jun 13 build which also allows settings to be saved?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Karmaschinken on June 13, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
Hello, since I suppose that the RAW silence mode is basically the same as the RAW video mode, I post a maybe slightly OT question here, please apologize. I was asking more than 4 months ago here in the forum, if it was possible to get a per-frame-flash-trigger out of my 5DII while recording movie. This seemed not to be possible. Now that there is this very fast burst mode coming into my camera I wonder if I can get my studio flashes triggered with that? I can´t test it right now. Does anyone know something about that?

Thanks! Martin...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 13, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
Quote
Playback frame skiping! Fast preview. Dynamic interface coordinates. Mask box updated to recording frame, now with no flicker. Restored frame skipping. Some module credits.

Source code please.

FYI: playback can be done realtime without skipping anything.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 13, 2013, 06:04:02 PM
Next release!

Playback frame skiping! Fast preview. Dynamic interface coordinates. Mask box updated to recording frame, now with no flicker. Restored frame skipping. Some module credits.

https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo (https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo)

awesome job !!! but in 5x there is no mask box... it is possible?? I personally like to see the white mask before i shoot so i can frame correctly... would love that too... thanks guys
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on June 13, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
source
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern-hack (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern-hack)
works with latest a_d_ build, download from the begining of this forum
saving conf works too
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bronson on June 13, 2013, 07:03:34 PM
last build is great "ee3385aa13bd"

I did some test in 16:9 ratio @25fps without drops in C1 mode :
1880x1058 = 250 frames (+ 2% scale for 1080)
1728x972 = 1050 frames  !!!!  (+11 % scale for 1080)
1600x900 = infinite at only 1* and 1000 frames with audio (+20% scale for 1080)

Curently write speed is @ 65-69 mb/s with a transcend 1000x 32Gb

XML config saving is very useful !!!

Great improvements... :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bonyfacii on June 13, 2013, 07:33:25 PM
decided to look for this green dot on the screen 5d2. and indeed, this point is present during the recording of "raw"! turn off the "raw" module, and it remains to zoom 10! but after the return of a zoom 0 point disappears. it's all in "ee3385aa13bd" (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdVsZNBQ.jpg&hash=7f8366e979568202acc2df37cd7f1199)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 13, 2013, 11:32:17 PM
source
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern-hack (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern-hack)
works with latest a_d_ build, download from the begining of this forum
saving conf works too

I like your fast preview implementation. Good work!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 14, 2013, 07:30:48 AM
Hello All  :)
Just been Test the 5x Crop mode very nice !
the only problem i still have is when i use my Zacuto Z-Finder EVF
the framing for the Raw is off and down to one side
works Ok with h264 record.

I just Started a documentary about a street artist Today with Raw
the images are truly impressionable :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Danne on June 14, 2013, 07:50:46 AM
nice video. You say that you also film in h.264. Do yu mean that it,s possible to film in 5x mode also in h.264? I couldn,t get this to work on my 5d mark 3 and can,t find any info about it? Would you care to explain?
Thanks
//Daniel
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 14, 2013, 08:13:27 AM
nice video. You say that you also film in h.264. Do yu mean that it,s possible to film in 5x mode also in h.264? I couldn,t get this to work on my 5d mark 3 and can,t find any info about it? Would you care to explain?
Thanks
//Daniel

No, I was refering to EVF with h264 recording & I just check my 5D2 & crop recording is only in Raw ???
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on June 14, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
Hi,
yesterday I had a bit of time for an outdoor test with the 5D. I wanted to test how was the focus with a deep depth of field, because you know, when you shot at f/16 with the 5d, everything is very blurry with a lack of detail and sharpness.
The overall quality looks good, a part from the noise presence multiplied with the grain of fimconvert(I simply forgot to denoise the footage).
I don't see any noticeable artifact or moire/aliasing problem(I use the VAF-5D2 filter btw).

For the green dots, I used the Simple wire removal from AE.
There's just one thing I don't like at all, the choppy panning. It was not a shutter issue(I was at 1/48th). What can it be? Any idea? Or is just an impression?

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: disjecta on June 14, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
I had that choppy issue recently while editing my raw footage in Adobe Premier. Upon closer inspection, I realized the footage had not been interpreted properly. It was 29.97 instead of 23.976. As soon as I fixed this, the footage was smooth.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on June 14, 2013, 02:58:31 PM
Ok so I will double check this.  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on June 14, 2013, 03:03:32 PM
Source code please.

FYI: playback can be done realtime without skipping anything.

well I add fps measurement to playback and I got only 8fps with 5D2 1880x800 at 25p, no fast preview, no frame skip, Lexmark 64GB 1000x.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 14, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
I noticed After effects was making my footage 30fps, its do with your comp settings, but even changing it to the right fps it put its back to 30fps when making an image sequence, like you say, drag the sequence in and just it back to the fps and its all good  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 14, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
I don't see any noticeable artifact or moire/aliasing problem(I use the VAF-5D2 filter btw).


So in your opinion is it worth the price?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on June 14, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
So in your opinion is it worth the price?

Of course. It gives you the freedom to shoot wherever you want. The only cons I see is the minimal focus shifting and the bad performance with zoom, because it didn't hold the focus while zooming. But This cons are microscopic against moiré and aliasing.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 14, 2013, 05:07:31 PM
Of course. It gives you the freedom to shoot wherever you want. The only cons I see is the minimal focus shifting and the bad performance with zoom, because it didn't hold the focus while zooming. But This cons are microscopic against moiré and aliasing.
Thanks. I'll wait until I'll be able to afford it :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 14, 2013, 06:51:26 PM
I noticed After effects was making my footage 30fps, its do with your comp settings, but even changing it to the right fps it put its back to 30fps when making an image sequence, like you say, drag the sequence in and just it back to the fps and its all good  ;D
You need to change the standard import sequences to 24 frames in preferences dialog box.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: durisy on June 14, 2013, 07:57:26 PM
I'm having hot pixels with high ISOs (higher than 1250) and I've read many posts about it.
the newest build still has the hot pixel issue.
will it be fixed soon? or is it problem with raw2dng?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 14, 2013, 08:18:45 PM
You need to change the standard import sequences to 24 frames in preferences dialog box.

Sweet, didnt notice that! cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 14, 2013, 09:01:46 PM
@durisy
I've just updated raw2dng. There's a new algorithm for hot pixel fixed based on chdk
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on June 14, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
Hey guys,

I was getting 320 frames 1880/1058 @16x9 on a 1000x Lexar 16gb, with the 14th build I am now getting 280.

Love the preview though!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 15, 2013, 12:09:23 AM
a.d.

Im still getting error:

raw2dng converter GUI for 5D2 Beta ver.0.7 /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100EOS5D/M14-1752.RAW File Supported /Users/doyle/Downloads/5D2_OSX_raw2dng/raw2dng.app/Contents/Resources/script: line 10: 564 Segmentation fault: 11 raw2dng "$fldr$name".RAW

Iv moved the raw file to desktop and tried n same, put in a folder and gettin the same, iv tried adding the other file into show package and same, think im on verion 0.4 still, i dont understand the command line thing either sorry.

Would love new version for the pixel fix

Cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Manonthemoon on June 15, 2013, 12:53:12 AM

Shot on 5DII with one of these builds, color in Photoshop, Vimeo killed a lot of the sharpness and introduced some artifacts.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 15, 2013, 09:34:31 AM
Tested Jun 14 build.

No new problems found and was able to test long recordings that was able to fill up 32 gig card. Was able to extract all frames with no problems in both dng and cdng.

I pushed tested 1728 x 972 as this is the highest 16:9 resolution that I found easy to upscale to 1920x 1080.
Unfortunately I realized that it can only go approx 10,000 frames, buts its already good for most commercial or corporate needs as this is already at 7 minutes and near to the capacity of the card at 27.7 gig before buffer is filled and stops.

1880 x 854 2.20:1 is now the highest resolution at 24p possible on 5d2. This fills up card till full. Resulting file is 29.7 Gig(31,930,872,768 bytes).

I corrected the spreadsheet posted by roman here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.0 to reflect this new test results.

Hoping the framing in crop mode could also be tweaked and fixed.

Good job so far guys.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 15, 2013, 09:42:16 AM
Hoping the framing in crop mode could also be tweaked and fixed.

I doubt it can be further improved without low-level access to the sensor.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 15, 2013, 09:58:28 AM
I doubt it can be further improved without low-level access to the sensor.

A1ex,

At first I thought the offsets were random but I found out that they're "almost" consistent across repeated tests.

The Horizontal could be "negligible" since its mostly 2-16 pixels but its the horizontal offsets that at least needs adjusting so the user will be warned that the top will be cut off up to 69 pixels (lines) .

Using ML grayscale preview method, won't this involve moving crop marks or borders? For instance for 1920x1078 moving the black border masks (both top and bottom) up by 69 pixels? Although I understand that the pixel count might not be the same in low res preview as to that in final recorded frame.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: NitromanX on June 15, 2013, 10:21:30 AM
Can we see some upscaled test footage from 1728 x 972 (16:9) to HD 1920 x 1080p Ted Ramosa ?

Can we .. can we ... pretty please ?! lol

Ideally with and without the Mosaic VAF-5D2 !  ;) I did buy one a few months ago but it had a tiny air bubble in the glass so sent it back. I also need to shoot stills and video so ultimately i'm living with the moire / aliasing for now ... 

I've not installed the Raw update of ML just yet, waiting for all the little bugs to get ironed out on my 5D2. But getting very excited ...  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 15, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
Just loaded 4c83f9edabc0 (latest built by a.d.) after not updating for a while; nice improvements in performance, these are just a few details I have noticed:
- The option to delete files is gone (or am I not looking in the right place?) for me at least it used to be more useful then the preview option as I usually know right away if I messed up or not... but its maybe just me...
- Is there an (official way) way to stop the preview playback? Half-pressing the shutter will stop it but triggered a buck by still showing the preview on the lower blacked out part of life view in at least one occasion
I hope this helps and please forgive me if any of this has been brought up before!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 15, 2013, 10:29:02 AM
Ted: of course the offsets are not random. The recording window can't be positioned anywhere on the sensor; there are some large raw windows chosen by Canon code based on the position of the focus box, and within these windows, ML can move the smaller recording window freely.

So, at this point, ML is centering the recording window on the focus box as best as I could do.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 15, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
Just loaded 4c83f9edabc0 (latest built by a.d.) after not updating for a while; nice improvements in performance, these are just a few details I have noticed:
- The option to delete files is gone (or am I not looking in the right place?) for me at least it used to be more useful then the preview option as I usually know right away if I messed up or not... but its maybe just me...
- Is there an (official way) way to stop the preview playback? Half-pressing the shutter will stop it but triggered a buck by still showing the preview on the lower blacked out part of life view in at least one occasion
I hope this helps and please forgive me if any of this has been brought up before!

Use the File Browser to view and delete files. Its more secure since it asks for confirmation if you really want to delete.

Thanks for the tip on how to stop playback by half press of shutter. It works for me.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 15, 2013, 01:02:06 PM
Great as it is to have record on the Set button, being able to select AF-ON was quite useful. It meant you could start/stop record using a standard remote. Really handy when you can only record short clips and need the camera to be perfectly steady from frame 1.

Any chance we could have this back as a menu option?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 15, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
Why not use the existing function for recording with half-shutter?

(didn't try it, but it should work, because it sends fake button events)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 15, 2013, 02:49:25 PM
Yep, that works, ta.

Finding a few advantages and a few issues doing RAW recording with an Ikan V8000 monitor attached.

When dropping into record the HDMI output doesn't switch to 480p, so the picture stays at it's largest possible size on the monitor. Huge bonus.

Write speed seems slightly slower than with the internal display, but not much, maybe 5%.

The crop rectangle doesn't display properly. I get one of the two scenarios bellow. Actual recordings are not effected though.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightandtime.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fml%2Fikan1.JPG&hash=c60424a085a849d4f904c5493b3f88aa)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lightandtime.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fml%2Fikan2.JPG&hash=02738dfc847cc5d75dcde975575572d5)

EDIT - It seems if the HDMI is plugged in right through the session, from power up to power down, then I get the later. If the screen is plugged in after entering live view, or if it is disconnected and reconnected at any point during the session, then I get the former.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexcosy on June 15, 2013, 03:23:07 PM
Hi,

I have these results with a Komputerbay 1000x i just got from amazon.

73.9 MB/s write speed
85.4 MB/s read speed

photo mode, global draw off.

at best.

(sorry don't know how to attach the jpg showing all banchmarks)

Do you think i should send it back ? seems low :(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 15, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
You're on a 5D2? I'd try shooting some raw. If you're getting in the upper 60s MB/s then you're doing as well as I am.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 15, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
Use the File Browser to view and delete files. Its more secure since it asks for confirmation if you really want to delete.

Thanks for the tip on how to stop playback by half press of shutter. It works for me.
Thanks Ted, the new file browser makes sense, I had no idea it was there, thanks for the pointer!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexcosy on June 15, 2013, 04:22:37 PM
You're on a 5D2? I'd try shooting some raw. If you're getting in the upper 60s MB/s then you're doing as well as I am.

Yes i'm on a 5D2, you think it has something to do with it?

I shot this morning 1880x800 2.35 @24p, and i can do it continuously.
Seems like 1728x972 16:9 is ok too continuously.

sould i send back and hope for a better one? i ve seen benchmarks up to 110MB/S but on 5D3, is it related?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: NitromanX on June 15, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Alexcosy - is it 64Gb Komputer Bay 1000x or 128Gb ? The smaller capacity cards are apparently faster ...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mageye on June 15, 2013, 04:43:17 PM
Yes i'm on a 5D2, you think it has something to do with it?

I shot this morning 1880x800 2.35 @24p, and i can do it continuously.
Seems like 1728x972 16:9 is ok too continuously.

sould i send back and hope for a better one? i ve seen benchmarks up to 110MB/S but on 5D3, is it related?

Don't send it back. It is definitely to do with the upper limit that you can write on the 5DMKII. When you run the benchmark you will most likely get a faster speed write but when you record you will see anywhere between 59 - 68 - 70MB/s sometimes mine goes above 70MB/s (briefly but its more usual to see it around 63MB/s)

I have a Komputerbay 1000x 32GB

So what I am saying is that if you buy a faster one it is pointless because the 5DMKII will cap it by its bus limitation (unfortunately). The 5DMKIII has a higher limit and I don't know exactly what that is because I have no experience of them.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 15, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
sould i send back and hope for a better one? i ve seen benchmarks up to 110MB/S but on 5D3, is it related?

Sounds like you got a good one there fella. I'd keep hold of it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexcosy on June 15, 2013, 05:04:50 PM
Thanks a lot for the advice guys, i'll keep it then :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 15, 2013, 05:38:15 PM
I have a 64 GB Komputerbay 1000x that usually gives me a speed of 64-68 MB/s. But on occasion I'll see an almost full buffer just suddenly empty without the write speed registering any real change. Never noticed this behaviour on the Lexar 1000x, but that could just be me not paying attention.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexcosy on June 15, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
I like what i can do with 1880x800 2.35 anyway, so it should be sufficient.

Just a question, in AE, what color space do you set your project to? I think I'm noticing a bit of a gamma shift between ACR and AE when project set to "none".
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on June 15, 2013, 11:10:55 PM
Rec 709 is the colour space of standard HD video. If you're using a 10 bit or better codec and you intend to grade these shots further, you might want to consider using the broadcast limited version [Rec 709 (16-235)]. This way some highlight and shadow detail is retained beyond that visible in AE. However, these files will look flat in apps that don't honour broadcast levels, like QuickTime player and FCP.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 16, 2013, 01:14:14 AM
Rec 709 is the colour space of standard HD video. If you're using a 10 bit or better codec and you intend to grade these shots further, you might want to consider using the broadcast limited version [Rec 709 (16-235)]. This way some highlight and shadow detail is retained beyond that visible in AE. However, these files will look flat in apps that don't honour broadcast levels, like QuickTime player and FCP.

I find that in AE on the Mac if you are importing the tiff sequence to render to ProRes 4444 and set the options
to "Trillion Plus" colors , "preserved the native color space"  that put it in a 16bit and there is no gamma Shift that i can see.
ProRes will put it in a HD color space with out gamma shift.
But i have seen gamma shift on 10 bit codec of different flavors. :)

P.S. i use photoshop to white balance & basic color corrections to legal colors for grading
or you can built a L.U.T. or use the Camera Profiles :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 16, 2013, 01:32:08 AM
Been out for a few days, just seeing the auto-save feature now.  Huge time saver, fantastic.

What is "fast preview" supposed to do?  I'm not seeing any difference in live view mode or recording.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on June 16, 2013, 02:05:03 AM
fast preview is for playback

next release, works with latest a_d_ build, download here
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/downloads/raw_rec.mo

some new features, look here
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/commits/all
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 16, 2013, 02:23:10 AM
Ah, ok, thanks.  Do you mean in the file manager?  Because playback in the file manager wasn't working at all for me just now using a.d.'s most recent build -- totally garbled, like television static.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on June 16, 2013, 03:04:42 AM
yes playback is mostly corrupted, but using playback command in RAW menu immediately after rec works nice
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 03:17:38 AM
Is anywhere i can go to read on how to make the latest build for mac work? i still dont understand why it wont convert n fails, using 0.4 still.. :(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Oedipax on June 16, 2013, 03:25:06 AM
Is anywhere i can go to read on how to make the latest build for mac work? i still dont understand why it wont convert n fails, using 0.4 still.. :(

Latest build of what? The ML firmware is pretty OS-agnostic, you just copy the files onto your CF card and the rest happens in-camera. :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 03:28:04 AM
Sorry i was meant to add a quote about RAW2DNG latest build as it was mentioned somewhere in here someone else cant seem to get to convert on mac. Sorry about that.

ML is working great so far (14th July Build)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: percymate on June 16, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
Hey, I was having the problem where Raw2DNG wouldn't work.

I think I found a fairly simple fix.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5732.msg49469#msg49469

I had to replace the footer of the RAW files, then it ran in Raw2DNG with zero problems.

EDIT: There was one caveat. On files longer than 4.29GB, I could only get good DNG's out of the RAW file. But I had to abandon all the R00 files. I have no idea how to get those to work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: satotmp on June 16, 2013, 06:07:14 AM
Hi,I noticed that  "Bulb Ramping" menu is vanished after copying raw modules.
Are "Raw video" and "Bulb Ramping" exclusive functions?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 16, 2013, 11:24:50 AM
Also I could no longer find Auto ETTR, has it been moved to a different location?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 16, 2013, 11:47:10 AM
Auto ETTR is a module now; the build maintainers should probably include it.

Bulb ramping is obsolete, use intervalometer + auto ETTR + post deflicker instead: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5705
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: satotmp on June 16, 2013, 11:54:33 AM
Thank you for your reply.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 01:23:47 PM
Hey, I was having the problem where Raw2DNG wouldn't work.

I think I found a fairly simple fix.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5732.msg49469#msg49469

I had to replace the footer of the RAW files, then it ran in Raw2DNG with zero problems.

EDIT: There was one caveat. On files longer than 4.29GB, I could only get good DNG's out of the RAW file. But I had to abandon all the R00 files. I have no idea how to get those to work.

I don't have a clue about coding so thats me out :(

As for R00 files you need to merge it with the other file, cant remember the file name

cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 16, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
Which version of raw2dng works for you?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 01:48:43 PM
Which version of raw2dng works for you?

Im using raw2dng converter GUI for OsX Beta ver.0.10  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 01:50:47 PM
ill managed to get the new GUI working using the dng2raw file from 0.10 but i wasnt sure if that just makes the version i have now look better? im really wanting the new version for the fixes that have been made  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 01:56:46 PM
Hey, I was having the problem where Raw2DNG wouldn't work.

I think I found a fairly simple fix.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5732.msg49469#msg49469

I had to replace the footer of the RAW files, then it ran in Raw2DNG with zero problems.

EDIT: There was one caveat. On files longer than 4.29GB, I could only get good DNG's out of the RAW file. But I had to abandon all the R00 files. I have no idea how to get those to work.

for R00 files you need too:

you need to combine the .RAW and the .R00 etc files.

On a Mac, in Terminal, you can use the command, for ex.:

cat file1.RAW file1.R00 > newfile.RAW

Then take newfile.RAW and drop it on raw2dng As quoted by Oedipax
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 16, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
With the latest build everything is corrupted :(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
With the latest build everything is corrupted :(

uh huh :(

hopfully soon we will have answers lol  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 16, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
@a.d.:

You should not touch lv_af_raw at all. Once you have enabled it for preview, you can no longer turn it off for recording, so you'll get "random" colored dots that contain AF info.

I was wondering why people are reporting stuff like this http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6426.0 and this: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=49.0

After reviewing your changes, I've found the answer. Just leave it as in the official repo.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 04:23:00 PM
Thanks A1ex for taking the time to look at this, Looking forward to using RAW2DNG again!

a.d. is it possible to add a section in the program where you can add split files to join?

Thanks again Devs  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 16, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
hello guys. sorry my ignorance, but what 5x or 10x not correct framing will do wrong?? ... I mean is 5x recording useful? I used a couple of times with the build 06/06 and i can't see any problem with that.... what's up with the new build ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 16, 2013, 09:32:54 PM
hello guys. sorry my ignorance, but what 5x or 10x not correct framing will do wrong?? ... I mean is 5x recording useful? I used a couple of times with the build 06/06 and i can't see any problem with that.... what's up with the new build ?
preview image is not the same framing as recorded image.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 16, 2013, 10:26:19 PM
@a1ex
Done!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 16, 2013, 11:45:06 PM
@a1ex
Done!


A.d

Tested your upload b93d6ae2b30d.zip

The 3x crop mode ( 5x magnify ) framing is much better now, I have only tested some important resolutions and aspect ratios and they're use able.

1728 x 972  very good framing ( 8 v 6 < )

1920 x 1078 almost perfect ( 0 v 5 > )

1880 x 1058 good vertical off horizontal ( 14 ^ 145 > )

2152 x 1078 perfect vert good horizontal ( 0 ,  16 > )



Pink Cast is back in 10 x magnify (I have read A1ex comments on this and your response in first post )


..
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 16, 2013, 11:46:25 PM
Thanks for the updates, ML working great but RAW2DNG still not converting for me (5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes)

raw2dng converter GUI for 5D2 Beta ver.0.09 M16-2334 File Supported /Users/doyle/Downloads/5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes/raw2dng.app/Contents/Resources/script: line 35: 954 Segmentation fault: 11 "$RAW2DNG" "$FLDR$FILE_NAME".RAW Generating ProResHQ 422 *.dng: No such file or directory ffmpeg version 1.2.1-tessus Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers built on May 9 2013 21:58:14 with llvm-gcc 4.2.1 (LLVM build 2336.1.00) configuration: --prefix=/Users/tessus/data/ext/ffmpeg/sw --as=yasm --extra-version=tessus --disable-shared --enable-static --disable-ffplay --enable-gpl --enable-pthreads --enable-postproc --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid --enable-libspeex --enable-bzlib --enable-zlib --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libxavs --enable-version3 --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libvpx --enable-libgsm --enable-libopus --enable-fontconfig --enable-libfreetype --enable-libass --enable-filters --enable-runtime-cpudetect libavutil 52. 18.100 / 52. 18.100 libavcodec 54. 92.100 / 54. 92.100 libavformat 54. 63.104 / 54. 63.104 libavdevice 54. 3.103 / 54. 3.103 libavfilter 3. 42.103 / 3. 42.103 libswscale 2. 2.100 / 2. 2.100 libswresample 0. 17.102 / 0. 17.102 libpostproc 52. 2.100 / 52. 2.100 [image2pipe @ 0x102016400] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Video: ppm): unspecified size Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options [image2pipe @ 0x102016400] Estimating duration from bitrate, this may be inaccurate pipe:0: could not find codec parameters DONE
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 16, 2013, 11:48:54 PM
Thanks for the updates, ML working great but RAW2DNG still not converting for me (5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes)

raw2dng converter GUI for 5D2 Beta ver.0.09 M16-2334 File Supported /Users/doyle/Downloads/5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes/raw2dng.app/Contents/Resources/script: line 35: 954 Segmentation fault: 11 "$RAW2DNG" "$FLDR$FILE_NAME".RAW Generating ProResHQ 422 *.dng: No such file or directory ffmpeg version 1.2.1-tessus Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers built on May 9 2013 21:58:14 with llvm-gcc 4.2.1 (LLVM build 2336.1.00) configuration: --prefix=/Users/tessus/data/ext/ffmpeg/sw --as=yasm --extra-version=tessus --disable-shared --enable-static --disable-ffplay --enable-gpl --enable-pthreads --enable-postproc --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid --enable-libspeex --enable-bzlib --enable-zlib --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libxavs --enable-version3 --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libvpx --enable-libgsm --enable-libopus --enable-fontconfig --enable-libfreetype --enable-libass --enable-filters --enable-runtime-cpudetect libavutil 52. 18.100 / 52. 18.100 libavcodec 54. 92.100 / 54. 92.100 libavformat 54. 63.104 / 54. 63.104 libavdevice 54. 3.103 / 54. 3.103 libavfilter 3. 42.103 / 3. 42.103 libswscale 2. 2.100 / 2. 2.100 libswresample 0. 17.102 / 0. 17.102 libpostproc 52. 2.100 / 52. 2.100 [image2pipe @ 0x102016400] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Video: ppm): unspecified size Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options [image2pipe @ 0x102016400] Estimating duration from bitrate, this may be inaccurate pipe:0: could not find codec parameters DONE

You'll get better responses in this thread I link below as this thread is now for more for the raw rec module .

RAW POST PROCESSING;

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=14.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 17, 2013, 12:13:05 AM
Sweet cheers man,

Thanks for the link, they have the new version 0.12 there so ill try that as its 0.9 on this thread
Title: slightly lower performance from 16th than 14th ?
Post by: ted ramasola on June 17, 2013, 05:42:24 AM
A.d  and A1ex

comparing the 16th and the 14th, while malloc may have increase to 227k from 99-103k I somehow noticed a slightly lower performance in terms of number of frames recorded.

Here are some comparisons, I will place 2 figures(# frames) on each resolution indicating 2 takes.

Jun 14

1x

1880x1058  =  408/401
1880x940  =  1,900/2500
1880x854  =  continuous
1728x972  =  9,995/10,175 (gd off, fps,hacked)
1728x864  =  continuos

5x

2152x1078  =  185/184
2048x1078  =  243/236
1920x1078  =  335/335
1920x960  =  684/1064
1880x854  =  continuous


Jun 16

1x

1880x1058  =  251/251
1880x940  =  1,064/1,520
1880x854  =  continuous
1728x972  =  7,565/9,711 (gd off, fps,hacked)
1728x864  =  continuos

5x

2152x1078  =  151/165
2048x1078  =  172/229
1920x1078  =  276/285
1920x960  =  760/694
1880x854  =  continuous

GUI Tweak request;

When pushing for maximum performance in 1728x972 16:9  I engage FPS override even in 1x mode, hacked preview and GD off, however upon recording the text "FPS OVER RIDE 23.976" is so big and is almost inside the shot frame, can this be reduced and moved to a part of the frame that is not within the shot?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Guilo on June 17, 2013, 06:38:43 AM
5D2 BUILDS WITH RAW_REC MODULE

Download the latest zip file
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads
Source
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/

...

2013/06/16
b93d6ae2b30d
API change: Please delete from previous build ML/MODULES/MAGIC.SYM
malloc: Now we have 227 K vs 99 to 103 K
I remove my modification, so magenta Cast is back in 5x and 10x, because a1ex point out to to this thread http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6426.0. Some users suffer from that.



So I copied/replaced AUTOEXEC.BIN and ML folder from b93d6ae2b30d.zip (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads) to my CF card.
But it is messed up. Something doesn't work. The screen freaks out and there is and info about missing Font files and then to copy all the Magic Lantern files.

I got 2.1.2-ml-v2.3.NEXT firmware version from here:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgb2UtVE1SUy0yeTQ/edit
(http://crewofone.com/2013/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-canon-5d2-5d3-or-6d/)

Is the file hudson-magic-lantern-15694a53cfa3.zip necessary?
a.d. writes:
"Source
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/magic-lantern-hack/"
in the very first post of this topic. I have no idea where to paste it.

Thanks for help.


Added
------------
that's embarrassing. I replaced the whole ML folder instead of just the files which were in a.d.'s folder. If any admin want's to remove this post, please do it. Sorry for trashing.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 17, 2013, 09:11:21 AM
@ted:

pink preview = good image quality.
good preview = many bad pixels.

I wasn't able to get both at the same time, so I've used good preview when idle and pink preview while recording.
see https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/15694a53cfa3
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 17, 2013, 02:53:21 PM
In the last release force left corrupt everything. Am I the only one?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 17, 2013, 03:00:39 PM
Did it work before?!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 17, 2013, 04:34:40 PM
Did it work before?!

I don't remember until it works. But it is a couple of builds that I'm having problems. It's only today that I've figured out that it is the force left option.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 17, 2013, 04:37:38 PM
@ted:

pink preview = good image quality.
good preview = many bad pixels.

I wasn't able to get both at the same time, so I've used good preview when idle and pink preview while recording.
see https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/15694a53cfa3

good preview when idle pink when recording is a good compromise.
In raw video mode Pink preview only distracts while in 10x mode, I use this only to check focus,

in 5x mode the pink preview is not an issue since ML grayscale is what I would use due to correct framing.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: onickz on June 17, 2013, 07:32:46 PM
Hi all, please excuse my newbiness if some / all questions were answered before. I did not find all the infos so let me ask few things :

- Why a pink preview, apart for performance, why not b&w and with more contrast ? I have troubles to follow focus the actors moving for examples.

- I need to retry more with the last night build but I have an issue with some raw recordings : not skipped frames but like unordered frames (eg: fr1, fr50, fr2, fr51 and so on) on raw recordings during more than 200 frames in any resolution. I tried to reencode in DNG with both actual converters RAW2DNG & RAWMAGIC : sometimes retrying fixes the problem, often not.
(PS: fr1, fr50 are frame numbers examples, not actual correct numbers).

- The Prores 422HQ  file is interesting for previewing, but why not 4444 ?

- Any way to get MXF in 10 bit ? :)

- How come Resolve can't understand the DNG from RAW2DNG actual version but Lightroom & PS do ?

- Could you add a sub menu for setting for good different resolution according to crop modes ? It actually resets to 1880 and I would keep 2K for 5X & 10X

- Could you rewrite the link or email to donate ? I have something for you.

Thanks for reading and keep it up all, your work is just amazing, i'm addicted, you changed our minds !
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 17, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
On my 5D2 the preview is only pink now when cropped (5x or 10x).

But, when copied to the computer, all the footage is pink.
And opened in Adobe Camera Raw everything is fine.

Until the actual version everything was fine.

Strange...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 17, 2013, 07:47:16 PM
- Why a pink preview, apart for performance, why not b&w and with more contrast ? I have troubles to follow focus the actors moving for examples.
Sharpness, I think, is much more helpful than b&w for focusing.


- How come Resolve can't understand the DNG from RAW2DNG actual version but Lightroom & PS do ?
That's due to the fact that Resolve only opens CinemaDNG files. RAWMagic, which you already tried, converts into this format.


Thanks for reading and keep it up all, your work is just amazing, i'm addicted, you changed our minds !
I second that!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 17, 2013, 10:38:20 PM
I did a few tests comparing build 13/06 and 14/06 and i found that with build 14/06 if i record in 1x with fps override ON 24 fps exact fps 24 it will record actually 29.997 as when i convert with raw2dng it says that. I did tried turning fps override OFF so it got back to 23.... Build 13/03 is fine to me i can record both 1x and 5x with fps override and i get 24fps converting with raw2dng version 0.10. I can't use the latest build the pink cast makes me see NOTHING :P anyway i also figured out (that's already been pointed) what's been recorded in 5x is larger that what actually appears in the viewfinder. All my tests were done in 1880 and 2.1...  thanks guys..
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 12:03:21 AM
I'd also like to report that jun 16 build apparently totally drains the battery even when power is off.

There was still around 70 percent in the battery then Left it off for around 10 hours.

Has this quirk been reported before in other builds?

Is there a "proper" shutdown method to avoid this?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 18, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
Yes, see http://www.magiclantern.fm/bestpractices
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 12:31:06 AM
Yes, see http://www.magiclantern.fm/bestpractices

A1ex,

I have read of this and was in fact conscious of watching for the led blink before cf removal when I was doing some tests last night.

My question is,
1. if for instance, the card was improperly (before led blink) removed for data transfer, then returned to camera, then camera was further handled, then shut down. Does this still drain the battery? Or does this battery drain occur when CF card is out of the camera?

2. does it make a difference if card was removed when power switch is still on or is it best practice to switch it off then remove cf?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 18, 2013, 12:39:18 AM
1. no; if the card stays in the camera after shutdown, there shouldn't be any problems; but if you remove it while the camera is off, and put it back without turning it on, you may have surprises.

2. if you do not turn the camera off, the problem does not occur. So, just open the card door without turning the camera off. I do this all the time.

To understand it better: when you open the card door and power switch is off, the camera wakes up for 2-3 seconds.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 12:49:44 AM
1. no; if the card stays in the camera after shutdown, there shouldn't be any problems; but if you remove it while the camera is off, and put it back without turning it on, you may have surprises.

2. if you do not turn the camera off, the problem does not occur. So, just open the card door without turning the camera off. I do this all the time.

To understand it better: when you open the card door and power switch is off, the camera wakes up for 2-3 seconds.

Thank you.

I believe that what you said in #1 happened in the course of my tests. Since we now have raw video which requires constant removal of card unlike h264 movs I suggest best practices page should include something like this warning.

...AFTER TRANSFER OF RAW MOVIES VIA CF CARD READER IT IS ADVISABLE TO TURN ON THE CAMERA AFTER ML CARD IS INSERTED THEN OFF BEFORE STOWING AWAY YOUR CAMERA.

something like that.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 18, 2013, 12:53:47 AM
It has nothing to do with raw videos...

And you should turn it on after card removal, because that's when it's locking up.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 01:33:37 AM
A1ex,

with regards to the hdmi out framing being off to the left, how about having a turn off option for the record frame (black/white rect) when using hdmi so I can just overlay the appropriate matte over my ext monitor screen for framing?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on June 18, 2013, 08:07:34 AM
A1ex,

with regards to the hdmi out framing being off to the left, how about having a turn off option for the record frame (black/white rect) when using hdmi so I can just overlay the appropriate matte over my ext monitor screen for framing?
If you select ML grayscale from the preview menu the white or black bars will not be displayed. With my Zacuto EVF I use the internal 2.35 mask and on my 7" monitor regular gaffer tape. Don't know if ML Grayscale is supposed to do so or is just an side effect.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 08:26:47 AM
If you select ML grayscale from the preview menu the white or black bars will not be displayed. With my Zacuto EVF I use the internal 2.35 mask and on my 7" monitor regular gaffer tape. Don't know if ML Grayscale is supposed to do so or is just an side effect.

Thank you!! I did not know selecting ML grayscale will remove the white rectangle. Thank you for that info.

I'm also making crop lines on clear acetate to overlay on my ext monitor.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 18, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
YES! came to see what happened to Auto ETTR and its back in 18th July Build  ;D Thank you! :)

Is x5 and x10 so pose to have be pink when AF-ing? Yesterday when filming x5 and x10 filled the screen with pink and was branded here none useable, are we able to use it now? Thanks again for a brilliant update  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 18, 2013, 02:17:16 PM
See my earlier posts. In x5 mode, you can't get good image without pink preview (well, grayscale now).

If you have correct color preview while recording in x5, expect colored dots that you can't remove, because their position is not fixed (they follow high-contrast areas). This happens only on 5D2 and 50D afaik.
Title: 4:3
Post by: mymadness on June 18, 2013, 02:21:47 PM
I'm awaiting delivery on a CF card that will give me enough speed to test this all out for myself, but I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on shooting 4:3

Is it possible on the MkII? What are the resolutions you can do it at and how many frames will you get?
Title: Re: 4:3
Post by: togg on June 18, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
I'm awaiting delivery on a CF card that will give me enough speed to test this all out for myself, but I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on shooting 4:3

Is it possible on the MkII? What are the resolutions you can do it at and how many frames will you get?

Yes, no problem. With my slow card I can get 1280X960 continuous. 49,1 MB/s. But with a 1000X CF you will be able to get 1472X1104 (65 MB/s).

So! I'm trying the latest build and finally I've realized that the only preview that EVER worked for me is the Canon one. I'm not able to use ML Grayscale or HaCKed.

edit: ok, now it seems that 5X and 10X are always grayscaled.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 18, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
See my earlier posts. In x5 mode, you can't get good image without pink preview (well, grayscale now).

If you have correct color preview while recording in x5, expect colored dots that you can't remove, because their position is not fixed (they follow high-contrast areas). This happens only on 5D2 and 50D afaik.

Cheers A1ex,

Ill give the X's amiss for now as not too important at this moment for me,

Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: 4:3
Post by: Oedipax on June 18, 2013, 05:56:40 PM
I'm awaiting delivery on a CF card that will give me enough speed to test this all out for myself, but I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on shooting 4:3

Is it possible on the MkII? What are the resolutions you can do it at and how many frames will you get?

On my mkII with a 64gb KomputerBay card, I can shoot 1472x1104 continuous/spanning to presumably fill up a whole card. I can also shoot 1600x1200 for shorter bursts (about 360 frames / 15 seconds).

Great for anamorphic, obviously!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: morflexxx on June 18, 2013, 06:41:02 PM
Great...wanna see anamorphic raw footage soon.
Oedipax wich hack release have you installed to obtain 1472x1104 continuous recording.
It is a new resolution option? If yes, wich release have it?
Thanx!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 08:33:06 PM
Great...wanna see anamorphic raw footage soon.
Oedipax wich hack release have you installed to obtain 1472x1104 continuous recording.
It is a new resolution option? If yes, wich release have it?
Thanx!

For last couple of builds jun 14, 16 and maybe earlier this was already available. But to be safe use the current one jun 18 NB.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sebble on June 18, 2013, 08:40:09 PM
Hey,

great work so far!

Is there a way to get files larger >4GB working?
raw2dng always comes up with:

[image2pipe @ 0x102019600] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Video: ppm): unspecified size
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options
[image2pipe @ 0x102019600] Estimating duration from bitrate, this may be inaccurate
pipe:0: could not find codec parameters
Done



What do you think?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 18, 2013, 09:10:01 PM
@ted
Did you get pink frames on 5x with the build a43e030494e4?

Update
@sebble
You could try the new version.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: SaltPro on June 18, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
Has anyone tried with the new build to import the DNGs with davinci resolve?

Nope... but click and drag to raw2dng doesn't seem to work anymore =(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 18, 2013, 09:33:50 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: SaltPro on June 18, 2013, 09:35:45 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

i have a mkii and a pc
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 18, 2013, 09:37:24 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5618.0
Update : Download Homepage
http://www.phreekz.de/wordpress/2013/06/magiclantern-raw2cdng-cinema-dng/
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 18, 2013, 11:54:10 PM
@ted
Did you get pink frames on 5x with the build a43e030494e4?


5x crop mode

2152x1078 = ok
2048x1078 = ok
1920x1078 = ok
1920x1038 = ok
1920 x 960 = ok
1880x1058 = ok
1880 x 940 = PINK IMAGE
1880 X 854 = ok
1728 x 972 = PINK IMAGE

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Steadicam on June 19, 2013, 01:53:14 AM
First post so please flame appropriately as needed.  I thought I'd try using a motion control rig for camera trigger for multipass VFX (both time-lapse and realtime )and wanted to see how close the still raw images and the raw video files would be in case they could be matched in AE or Nuke.  For the most part it works but I was curious about two things that I thought might be relevant to the forum.  The very center of the camera raw still and MLRaw image are a few pixels off.  I'm not doing the RAW zoom function but do you think this is related to the issue with the zoom offset? Otherwise, they should both roughly have the same center pixel.  Right?
 Also, there is a very slight (but acceptable) color shift.  Would this be related to the raw2dn conversion or something in camera?  Maybe I should post that to the Raw workflow but thought I'd check here in case there might be an in-camera reason for the image to be different.

Thanks!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6lokqvakvfhleug/test.jpg
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: SaltPro on June 19, 2013, 02:18:37 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5618.0
Update : Download Homepage
http://www.phreekz.de/wordpress/2013/06/magiclantern-raw2cdng-cinema-dng/

dont work
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 19, 2013, 04:38:08 AM
5x crop mode

2152x1078 = ok
2048x1078 = ok
1920x1078 = ok
1920x1038 = ok
1920 x 960 = ok
1880x1058 = ok
1880 x 940 = PINK IMAGE
1880 X 854 = ok
1728 x 972 = PINK IMAGE

tested other resolutions in crop mode. NB a43e030494e4

1880 x 940, and 1728 x 972 PINKISH IMAGE

Framing in the crop modes are now much better if ML grayscale is used.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 19, 2013, 08:46:09 AM
Can you post the first few frames of a recording with pink image?

(I don't think it has anything to do with resolution)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on June 19, 2013, 08:53:54 AM
It might be a stupid question, but have anybody find a way to have a remain space indicator while recording RAW? Because it happens twice that a recording suddenly stops because of the lack of space. For now I can only check the this when I'm not recording...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 19, 2013, 08:57:54 AM
Again, there's no easy way to do it from code; just restart the camera when you want to check the space.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 19, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
I got too menu and format and not press anything to check what space is left, and when i sometimes come out it shows space left.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 19, 2013, 02:20:17 PM
For the last time, restart the camera before checking free space. I can't fix that.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sixftnine on June 19, 2013, 02:56:49 PM
hi there.

Ive been looking through the forum for an answer but cant find anything

Im trying to get raw on my 5dm2. I have installed the latest ML 2.3 and everything is running fine. Myt problem is that there is no Module folder contained with the ML directory.

I have also downloaded the new raw rec zip, all the forums say to copy the new files into the module folder of the ML directory how can this be done when it doesnt exist.

I have tried to put the module folder from the zip file onto the cf card and replace the auto.exe file with the new one from the zip file, this made my camera freeze and not boot.

any help would be appreciated.

Love ML by the way!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 19, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
Can you post the first few frames of a recording with pink image?

(I don't think it has anything to do with resolution)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F1014629_335315349932589_124149581_o.jpg&hash=b6ba1bb6af500a7749f71172a25cbe25)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F1025424_335315359932588_176319317_o.jpg&hash=dcf49eb51203e852c9ed8cbad923f8fa)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 19, 2013, 04:50:36 PM
Is the very first recorded frame pink?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 19, 2013, 05:08:28 PM
Is the very first recorded frame pink?

yes, and the same up to the last for both clips.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 19, 2013, 05:16:06 PM
How long were the clips?

The problem is that I can't reproduce this issue; I've recorded yesterday for half an hour in crop mode, with various settings, and couldn't get any pink frame.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 19, 2013, 05:37:49 PM
How long were the clips?

The problem is that I can't reproduce this issue; I've recorded yesterday for half an hour in crop mode, with various settings, and couldn't get any pink frame.

1728 x 972 is 570 frames long. ---This shot was 1st take under crop mode after shots in normal mode of same resolution.


1880 x 940 is 2,973 frames long---This shot was taken after another resolution also in crop mode.


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 19, 2013, 06:05:41 PM
I did get pick frame on x5 with 2013/06/16 b93d6ae2b30d but I reverted to the build before it, now I have the latest build from the 6/16 and that solve the pink issue but now has gray frame while recording but I'm sure you guy have the answers. I do want to ask, what is the most Raw resolution from the 5D Mark II in 2.35.1-2.20.1-1.85.1-16:9 , I took your advise and I now have a Lexar 32 1000x?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ryan Freng on June 19, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Also, here's the correct link for raw2dng for OSX: http://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes.zip (http://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_OSX_raw2dng_ProRes.zip)

Thanks so much for the work, this is sweet! I'm testing the version from an hour ago in hopes to fix my issues. I have a Komputerbay 64gb 1000x card that can do 1880x880 continuous and fill up the card. The problem is that all the footage ends up garbled. Even if i turn off raw and try a normal 1920x1080x24 the video is jacked up. I'll report back with the latest build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 19, 2013, 06:31:46 PM
i got same problems as TED... pink everything in 1880x940 wich is the resolution i rely most. To be honest im on build 10/06 cause i can record almost 4gb files which is enough to me, and i have color image when filming 5x. To me its very useful.. i think the green dots or something when we have color recording could be something related to shutter actuations ? I mean the older the camera more suitable to get those dots it will be ??? Because i never got dots or dead pixels... my camera have 30k actuations and works fine. Also with th enew build i see less MB/s on recording giving me a little bit less frames. So it could be the simples the better! Amazing job guys thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 19, 2013, 06:38:53 PM
1856x844
2:20:1
Center
ML GRAYSCALE

First shot normal
second shot pink frames

Update:
Just done 4 shots
1. pink
2. pink
3. normal
4. pink


@noix222
I use my hack since 2 weeks and it works ;=)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 19, 2013, 10:23:38 PM
I just noticed that reducing the frame rate with FPS override also increases the card's write speed slightly. So not only does it reduce the inherent write speed requirements versus the standard 24/23.976, it also increases card performance, which may make the difference between being able to record at a certain resolution or not. Anyone been naughty enough to record at lower rates and interpolate the frames in post?  ;D

At 24 FPS, my 600x Sandisk card normally writes at around 63-64 MB/s out of the required ~80, so the buffer fills up quickly. Lowering it to 19 FPS reduces the speed requirement to 63 MB/s and also increases my write speeds to 66 MB/s. 20 FPS is just beyond the point of intersection for continuous shooting though; write requirement jumps to 66 MB/s and write speed drops to about 65 MB/s . Though I don't think we'll get much beyond 21-22 FPS with a faster card, it's nice to see that one can squeeze out a little more performance than expected from the raw resolution/fps calculations.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cinoa on June 19, 2013, 11:50:14 PM
Hi,

using ML Raw Version a43e030494e4 on 5dmk2, CF 16GB, 30MB/s still I only have the
1880x800 aspect ratio to choose.

Where and how to get all the different aspect ratios and also fps ?!

Thanks for help.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 19, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
The FPS is not part of the raw shooting module but should be located in the same movie page, it is called FPS override. To get the resolutions larger than 1880 you have to be in 5X or 10X crop mode, you need to press the button to zoom into the live view(usually used for checking focus) so that it is not zoomed all the way out. That will unlock the larger resolutions.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cinoa on June 20, 2013, 12:09:24 AM
Thanks, do I understand right: The different aspect ratios provided is not linked to the speed and/or size of the cf card in any way, right?

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: intrinsic on June 20, 2013, 12:26:09 AM
I just noticed that reducing the frame rate with FPS override also increases the card's write speed slightly.
Yepp, same thing here.
I usually got around 57-58Mb/s @24FPS and decreasing FPS gives me up to 60 (16FPS) - 61Mb/s (6-9FPS).
Twixtoring result very much depends on the nature of the filmed subject.
In the more or less static scenes (nature) it is possible to twixtor from 12fps.
My street tests (moving cars, people, etc) shown me that FPS should be at least 18, with further twixtoring to 75% speed.
But even in that case you should avoid fast moving large subjects close to the camera.
About the write speed.
I've found in the 550D thread A1ex posts about buffer optimisation and how different buffering strategies affect card write speed.
From here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5582.msg52455#msg52455
Question, is there some sort of connection betweeen FPS override and different buffering?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 20, 2013, 12:56:29 AM
Thanks for all the work you guys do, I want to get a clear understanding on the best possible resolution and what keeps the 5D Mark II From utilizing the full Sensor functions? I know the full framing of the Canon 5D Mark II is 3:2, so can you explain why the camera gets RAW 1880 instead of 1920? ???
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: intrinsic on June 20, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
Thanks for all the work you guys do, I want to get a clear understanding on the best possible resolution and what keeps the 5D Mark II From utilizing the full Sensor functions? I know the full framing of the Canon 5D Mark II is 3:2, so can you explain why the camera gets RAW 1880 instead of 1920? ???
Here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6215.50
You may push larger resolution (2144x1078) utilizing 5x crop mode.
As it was mentioned here before, Canon's original 1920x1080 H.264 is upscaled from 1880.
Doesn't seem like a big deal to me, it's only 40 pixels. Nothing compared to RAW sharpness and detail even at the lower resolutions.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: hini on June 20, 2013, 03:23:55 AM
Anyone been naughty enough to record at lower rates and interpolate the frames in post?  ;D

Yes, I am naughty.
I record 1880X1058, 17 fps with my old 60 MB/s SanDisk.
Developed in Photoshop
Converted in Apple Compressor into 25 fps.
But I can not record audio or I do someting wrong?


hinrich
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 20, 2013, 06:51:50 AM
@A1ex

I was able to trigger pink frames in 5x crop mode in another scenario, while using FPS over ride.

Testing highest resolution on 5d2 at 2152 x 1078 with FPS over ride.

I did 4 takes.

take 1 at 5P --all frames pink
take 2 at 1P --1st frame OK the rest Pink
take 3 at 1P --1st frame OK the rest Pink
take 4 at 3P --all frames Pink

1 test at 1880 x 1250 at 1P -- all frames OK.

Hope this helps you do the troubleshooting.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 20, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
Yes, I am naughty.
I record 1880X1058, 17 fps with my old 60 MB/s SanDisk.
Developed in Photoshop
Converted in Apple Compressor into 25 fps.
But I can not record audio or I do someting wrong?



hinrich

When shooting RAW you need to enable sync beep if recording sound from separate device, or choose WAV to record sound, iv read some people cant record more than 3seconds so give it a try, also as your shooting in 17fps check this out, it may help you if you want smooth video, its not a tutorial but shows it can be done :)

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: hini on June 20, 2013, 03:08:37 PM
check this out, it may help you if you want smooth video

Yes, Twixtor can make miracles come true. But the result depends very much of the scene you are filming. Foreground, Background. It works best if the background is smooth. If not it is difficult. Thank you for the beep trick. Every night we become more and more professional.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 20, 2013, 05:31:51 PM
What has been added/tweaked in 19th July build please, cant see the changes from 18th for some reason..

Cheers  :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 20, 2013, 06:01:00 PM
Sorry for another post..

Am i doing something wrong here... When i choose ML Greyscale the white box vanish's in LV so I'm not sure whats going to be captured, sorry again  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dandeliondandy on June 20, 2013, 06:15:13 PM
On the newest build, or what was newest about a week ago I guess, I managed to record 1880 x 800, until the card stopped (about 2.5 minutes) with a SanDisk 60 MB/s card. Has anyone else had these results? If so it seems like the newer builds are really getting amazing.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 20, 2013, 06:40:38 PM
with the 19/06 build i get PINK IMAGES when shooting 1880x950 on 5x crop... also it gets black and white! To me i still prefer a color viewer..... thanks guys! i stick with build 10/06 still!!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 20, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
@A1ex

Testing Jun 19 build posted by A.d.  7eee493f6fc9

1 x modes ok

3x crop mode (5x magnify)

2152 x 1078 ---Pink image
1920 x 1078 ---Slightly warm/yellowish tint but blacks can be recovered.
1880 x 1058 ---Pink image
1728 x 972 --- @ 23.976   --- OK
                   --- @ 1FPS    --- Pink image
                   --- @ 5 FPS   --- Pinkish
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on June 21, 2013, 08:06:38 AM
This is amazing work!  Question. When recording at 1880 and wav, the wav stops recording after a while. It says I need a faster card. Shooting on komputerbay 64gb 1000x. Not that huge of an issue since I only need a few seconds before syncing with external, but still wondering if this is a known constraint.  Also, I was reading back in the forum because I got the green dot issue as well. Anyone know if there's a fix for this? Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: fatpig on June 21, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
Since sound recording is such a problem:

how about making it record a predefined number of seconds of WAV Audio only,
to not make the recording stop, but still have something for automatic syncing of audio like pluraleyes to work with...?

Who do I have to contact for this idea?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: durisy on June 21, 2013, 01:13:46 PM
@durisy
I've just updated raw2dng. There's a new algorithm for hot pixel fixed based on chdk
Thank you.
hot pixels were gone.

But with the latest raw2dng, one pink hot pixel is back again.
h.264. no hot pixel.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: s---70 on June 21, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
@fatpig: Why don't you just use the sync beep to sync your audio? Even if the 5dm2 records only a few seconds of audio, it will cost you recording time. I would use internal audio recording only if it's not possible to record externally. If you're already recording with an external recorder, internal audio recording is just a waste of buffer space imo.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: fatpig on June 21, 2013, 01:35:31 PM
well, a sync beep still requires all the syncing work to be done, and the beep is not on the first frame but somewhere around the first second, which makes is almost useless.

The point in a WAV file, if only some seconds, is: use pluraleyes and not having to sync at all.

I will happily sacrifice some of my buffer time for it, as it records continuous with one or no stars anyway. :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 21, 2013, 02:15:42 PM
21st July Build VERY nice indeed! Thank you for the hard work and quick releases! nice to have x10 back!!

Digital Dolly is genius! wasn't sure what it was till now.... sweet!

Thanks ML Team  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 21, 2013, 02:36:30 PM
UPDATE: x10 still does not work... output video created is like someone is shaking the hell out of the camera ha, also the last frame when using dolly mode is all pink and pixely looking.  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: disjecta on June 21, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
Today's build 6-21, runs beautifully. btw, how do I access the digital dolly feature?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dandeliondandy on June 21, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Build is great but I'd also love to see an option for sound back. I understand that it causes issues with the buffer but as fatpig suggested, perhaps a few seconds? With the 5DmkII the audio in previous builds seemed to match up very easily with the start of the clip, making syncing external audio MUCH easier. I'm trying to think of this in terms of shooting a low-budget film, and audio syncing would be a constant.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 21, 2013, 04:46:33 PM
if you use the beep feature for sync. I've done some tests with it syncing dialog and here's some info to help.

Set the camera speaker volume to 5 or highest so the beep is audible to the sound recorder.

In a 24P framerate the beep's peak is consistently of the 5th frame of video recording. There might be a slight fade in slope on the 4th frame but otherwise the peak begins on the 5th.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on June 21, 2013, 04:52:29 PM
I figured out the green dot issue. In case it wasn't mentioned anywhere else, the green dot was because I was watching the mov file created out of raw2dng. When i opened up the dng files and followed the longer workflow (raw2dng->PS->QT7), the dot wasn't there. I'll post this on the raw thread as well.  Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 21, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
For those wanting to synch the sound and are having issues with the synch beep, why not just use a movie clapper. Just get one or make your own. Even clapping your hands in front of the camera would work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 21, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
if you use the beep feature for sync. I've done some tests with it syncing dialog and here's some info to help.

Set the camera speaker volume to 5 or highest so the beep is audible to the sound recorder.

In a 24P framerate the beep's peak is consistently of the 5th frame of video recording. There might be a slight fade in slope on the 4th frame but otherwise the peak begins on the 5th.

Thanks. Trilled to test the new build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 21, 2013, 06:12:09 PM
Today's build 6-21, runs beautifully. btw, how do I access the digital dolly feature?

Where you choose RAW video theres now Dolly Digital just underneath resolutions.. turn it on, use ur control stick to move in the direction you want :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Mati on June 21, 2013, 06:24:36 PM
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 21, 2013, 06:41:14 PM
@a.d

you hack is amazing!!!! the new build is pretty good too. My only request would be not having GREYSCALE in 5x crop ... We can have the image with color when recording in 5x crop ??

thankssss

edit: im also testing frame rates.. and i usually record in 1x and 5x with both fps override ON to get smooth 24fps. But in 1x when i turn fps ON the frame rate comes out 29.997 pretty weird .... AND STILL GETTING PINK IMAGES RECORDING 5x 2.1.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36670435/000000.dng (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36670435/000000.dng)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 21, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
The new buffer graphic is really beautiful.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 21, 2013, 09:16:36 PM
@fatpig
the 5s WAV is an interesting idea. You could post it in the features request.

@Doyle4
5x and 10x are identical. We record actually 3x crop.

@Indianac
Just to be clear about chdk. It's a DNG badpixel optcode for ACR. That means the converter for ProRes doesn't read the optcode!
Do you have a fast internet connection? If yes, I need only a second of a hotpixel.RAW to test.
Update: 2 DNGs are enough.

@Mati
Does your girl friend know, she is a zombie?   ;)

@noix222
The workaround from a1ex is the best option for us now, because It takes into account such a problem http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6426.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 21, 2013, 10:35:34 PM
 :) :)
this is a documentary i'm working on with Raw, try to shoot as much as i can.
with the June 6th built, i was reluctant to try past built until now , i hear its very good now.
Been working in After Effect, apply a color profile "Panalog" or "Panavision Genesis Tungsten Log"
No other Correction was done


 ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 21, 2013, 10:52:03 PM
I like the natural look and the film is in synch.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 21, 2013, 11:07:59 PM
I like the natural look and the film is in synch.

Thanks,  :)
Recorded with  frame override on 24p
recorded audio with wireless sennheiser Ek 100 G3 to Zoom@96/24
Edit with Final Cut Pro x , FCPx has very good Audio Tools
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 21, 2013, 11:13:34 PM
Thanks,  :)
Recorded with  frame override on 24p
recorded audio with wireless sennheiser Ek 100 G3 to Zoom@96/24
Edit with Final Cut Pro x , FCPx has very good Audio Tools

Nice colors but in my computer I think audio track is ahead by 1 or 2 frames.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 21, 2013, 11:24:47 PM
Nice colors but in my computer I think audio track is ahead by 1 or 2 frames.

Thanks, Ted you are right, i didn't notice it until now
Good thing it my first Daft ::)
I was in a big hurry to post i didn't check it closely
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: maxpyane_2k6 on June 22, 2013, 09:08:03 AM
Awesome improvement ;) thanks to all magic lantern team. Is it possible to have Focus Peaking during recording in raw ???
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: morflexxx on June 22, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
Great, great, really great work guys!
If someone could summarize the list of improvements of the last release about:
max res in continuos mode
max res in crop mode
max res in 4:3 mode (for anamorphic footage)
...and the others goals achieved by "dream Magic Lantern team"on raw recording...would be very appreciated!
Thanx!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on June 22, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
Great, great, really great work guys!
If someone could summarize the list of improvements of the last release about:
max res in continuos mode
max res in crop mode
max res in 4:3 mode (for anamorphic footage)
...and the others goals achieved by "dream Magic Lantern team"on raw recording...would be very appreciated!
Thanx!

I mean no disrespect but couldn't you just as well read the thread?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Using a Komputerbay 64GB & A1ex's new module on the 5d2:

Max continuous

4:3 = 1472 x 1104
3:2 = 1472 x 982
16:9 = 1600 x 900
1.85:1 = 1728 x 934
2:1 = 1728 x 864
2.20:1 = 1872 x 850
2.35:1 1872 x 796
2:39:1 1872 x 784
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 22, 2013, 02:22:36 PM
Using a Komputerbay 64GB & A1ex's new module on the 5d2:

Max continuous

4:3 = 1472 x 1104
3:2 = 1472 x 982
16:9 = 1600 x 900
1.85:1 = 1728 x 934
2:1 = 1728 x 864
2.20:1 = 1872 x 850
2.35:1 1872 x 796
2:39:1 1872 x 784

Using a Laxar 1000x 32GB & 2013/06/21 0c3188c5134f Build on the 5d2, Ratio 4:3, 3:2, 16:9, 1.85:1 and 2:1 of Redrocks reading are the same but the 2.20:1, 2.35:1 and 2.39:1 are different on my readings:

2.20:1=1880x854
2.35:1=1880x800
2.39:1=1880x786

I see that a Jun 22 build has been released, does it have an improvement on the variable buffering or has variable buffering been totally taking out?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 02:38:05 PM
I just installed a.d's latest build (cf56893d7be4) and it appears to have variable buffering. Also he has removed his 1880 hack to bring his resolutions inline with A1ex's builds.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Cineguz on June 22, 2013, 02:55:43 PM
Hello to all. Does someone could explain to me why I can not install the latest versions of "Builds". I got stuck on the 14th June. From there, when I substitute for newer modules they dont load, (file_man error, raw_rec error, xml_cfg error). Thank you.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: fatpig on June 22, 2013, 02:58:22 PM
delete ML and start fresh. it should work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 22, 2013, 03:04:43 PM
I just installed a.d's latest build (cf56893d7be4) and it appears to have variable buffering. Also he has removed his 1880 hack to bring his resolutions inline with A1ex's builds.

Hope your have a Cinematic day Redrocks and Magic Lantern Community,
I put the June 22 a.d's latest build (cf56893d7be4) in and it took my measure back to 1872 instead of 1880 what going on? So to keep thing somewhat accurate I put the 2013/06/21 0c3188c5134f Build back in at least the measurements right. What's the changes from 2013/06/21 0c3188c5134f Build and a.d's latest build (cf56893d7be4)?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: morflexxx on June 22, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
Using a Laxar 1000x 32GB & 2013/06/21 0c3188c5134f Build on the 5d2, Ratio 4:3, 3:2, 16:9, 1.85:1 and 2:1 of Redrocks reading are the same but the 2.20:1, 2.35:1 and 2.39:1 are different on my readings:

2.20:1=1880x854
2.35:1=1880x800
2.39:1=1880x786

@ Redrocks & dariSSight#1
THANX!
This kind of summary-update-info about progress of improvements of the latest release are really useful to all ML users (instead to search and dig into 20+ pages of the thread with old infos).
From your tests experience, do you think raw recording without VAF filter is acceptable or there is to much aliasing and color aliasing?

Thanx again
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 03:18:56 PM
cf56893d7be4, Komputerbay 64GB, GD off, exact 24 fps, resolution 1872:

1250 / just over 3:2 =

187
226
202
224
219

1054 / 16:9 =

575
510
511
561
543

1012 / 1.85:1 =

783
875
803
937
919

936 / 2:1 = one take only 7572 I'd say this ratio is good for 5 mins

850 / 2.20:1 = continuous

796 / 2.35:1 = continuous
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 03:29:44 PM
Hope your have a Cinematic day Redrocks and Magic Lantern Community,
I put the June 22 a.d's latest build (cf56893d7be4) in and it took my measure back to 1872 instead of 1880 what going on? So to keep thing somewhat accurate I put the 2013/06/21 0c3188c5134f Build back in at least the measurements right. What's the changes from 2013/06/21 0c3188c5134f Build and a.d's latest build (cf56893d7be4)?

You too, dariSSight. A1ex has this to say about 1880 vs 1872:

"the builds from a.d. contain a number of extra changes, e.g. allows non-mod16 resolutions (which I prefer to stay away from, for DMA alignment reasons)"

"Bigger is not always better, mod16 resolutions are more important IMO, and the EDMAC is very sensitive to alignment."

Which is over my head, but I realised that 1872 is an exact 1/3 rd of the sensor and probably an easier number to work with.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 03:36:54 PM
From your tests experience, do you think raw recording without VAF filter is acceptable or there is to much aliasing and color aliasing?

Thanx again

______________

I intend to get one in the next week or so, but it's certainly acceptable without one.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 22, 2013, 03:56:14 PM
You too, dariSSight. A1ex has this to say about 1880 vs 1872:

"the builds from a.d. contain a number of extra changes, e.g. allows non-mod16 resolutions (which I prefer to stay away from, for DMA alignment reasons)"

"Bigger is not always better, mod16 resolutions are more important IMO, and the EDMAC is very sensitive to alignment."

Which is over my head, but I realised that 1872 is an exact 1/3 rd of the sensor and probably an easier number to work with.


I'm a little stomp but does that mean its an exact RAW video conversion from the sensor measurement, I think it's because Canon non-compromise for low-level access to the sensor that Magic Lantern cannot push the 1880 up.

Does lowering it to 1872 RAW measurements takes from conversions like 1080p?

Forgive my ignorance but I believe asking make you a little least ignorant.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 22, 2013, 04:06:37 PM
From your tests experience, do you think raw recording without VAF filter is acceptable or there is to much aliasing and color aliasing?

Thanx again

______________

I intend to get one in the next week or so, but it's certainly acceptable without one.

I will puchase a VAF filter soon because it seems to be something you might not want to be without, I do believe its always better to watch your ISO for Color Alasing and Moire and watch for pattern in your shots. What's the option for VAF filters I've only heard of the Mosaic VAF Filter?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
As far as I know it is to do with line skipping which involves discarding 2/3rds of the data. In crop mode you have a true cutout of the sensor with no line skipping, but also a crop factor of 5.

EDIT:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6242.0

more info here.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 04:39:19 PM
Current ad vs A1ex, Komputerbay 64GB, GD off, exact 24 fps, resolution 1872:

ad 1248 / 3:2 =

217
223
217
226
218

A1ex 1248 / 3:2 =

222
228
223
229
216

ad 1054 / 16:9 =

587
561
586
553
579

A1ex 1054 / 16:9 =

558
564
598
553
541

ad 1012 / 1.85:1 =

833
888
950
893
933

A1ex 1012 / 1.85:1 =

835
963
861
921
871

ad 936 / 2:1

4992

A1ex 936 / 2:1

3954


Yes it's better to do everything you can before relying on a filter, I haven't heard of any similar products to the Mosaic line.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 22, 2013, 05:34:46 PM
Current ad vs A1ex, Sandisk Ultra 8GB, GD off, exact 24 fps, resolution 1872:

ad 1248 / 3:2 =

86
87
87
83
85

A1ex 1248 / 3:2 =

85
86
84
86
85

ad 1054 / 16:9 =

108
109
109
109
109

A1ex 1054 / 16:9 =

108
104
108
106
104

ad 1012 / 1.85:1 =

124
125
123
124
124

A1ex 1012 / 1.85:1 =

124
124
124
125
124

ad 936 / 2:1

132
128
133
131
117

A1ex 936 / 2:1

131
132
132
125
131
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 22, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
Current ad vs A1ex, Komputerbay 64GB, GD off, exact 24 fps, resolution 1872:

ad 1248 / 3:2 =

217
223
217
226
218

A1ex 1248 / 3:2 =

222
228
223
229
216

ad 1054 / 16:9 =

587
561
586
553
579

A1ex 1054 / 16:9 =

558
564
598
553
541

ad 1012 / 1.85:1 =

833
888
950
893
933

A1ex 1012 / 1.85:1 =

835
963
861
921
871

ad 936 / 2:1

4992

A1ex 936 / 2:1

3954


Yes it's better to do everything you can before relying on a filter, I haven't heard of any similar products to the Mosaic line.

I seen that forum thread before but I don't think I soak it in. Reddeercity Post is very vital for the point of Aliasing and Moire fear, I took a closer look at his video after reading the thread and you can see he was correct Aliasing can be seen in the small low Res window but if you open it to full screen and even more pick the 1080p or Original format option it clears up greatly for presentation (beautiful), that's scratching the surface of filming in RAW and Upscaling. Thanks again for the revisit to the thread because it help drill the option of line skipping, Moire and Aliasing problem solving into my head.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: siebenmorgen on June 22, 2013, 07:07:36 PM
 The cf56893d7be4 build locks really great! Sorry to say, it crashes with an external monitor.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 22, 2013, 10:19:51 PM

I'm a little stomp but does that mean its an exact RAW video conversion from the sensor measurement, I think it's because Canon non-compromise for low-level access to the sensor that Magic Lantern cannot push the 1880 up.

Does lowering it to 1872 RAW measurements takes from conversions like 1080p?

Forgive my ignorance but I believe asking make you a little least ignorant.

When a1ex says 1872 is a mod16 resolution, it means that 1872 is evenly-divisible by 16 (1872 / 16 = 117).  In terms of upscaling 1872 x 1053 vs 1880 x 1057.5 to 1920x1080, you could say you see a difference, but you'd probably be lying or fooling yourself.  It's dropping a total of 0.85% of the resolution for much better performance.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 22, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
When a1ex says 1872 is a mod16 resolution, it means that 1872 is evenly-divisible by 16 (1872 / 16 = 117).  In terms of upscaling 1872 x 1053 vs 1880 x 1057.5 to 1920x1080, you could say you see a difference, but you'd probably be lying or fooling yourself.  It's dropping a total of 0.85% of the resolution for much better performance.


So Redrocks and EatTooMuchJam, I should reinstall the latest build?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 23, 2013, 01:55:26 AM
Everything nice again on latest build! Managed to solve the X5 and X10 how too shoot, took awhile as only just found the page to set up the framing box and things! all good stuff :)

One thing i have noticed on this build is the text at the bottom that lets you know if you can record continuous (green) and yellow if it needs to buffer, it'll go green when i first setup but after shooting a raw video for say even a few seconds the text goes yellow, even after rebooting?

Once again, great work :)

UPDATE: All showing yellow now, checked through all settings and all are fine, checked CF read and write speed and no change.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 23, 2013, 02:40:33 AM

So Redrocks and EatTooMuchJam, I should reinstall the latest build?

I have no opinion on what you should or shouldn't install.  :)

With that said, development is moving fast.  It's usually worth staying up-to-date.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 23, 2013, 08:22:01 AM
"When a1ex says 1872 is a mod16 resolution..."

Thanks for the explanation. I agree there is no noticeable difference and if it lends itself to performance, I'm sold.

Unless you have a specific reason, always be running the latest builds dariSSight. Even though RAW is pretty stable, it's far from ready for general release and the developers need to hear from people who encounter bugs.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on June 23, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Managed to solve the X5 and X10 how too shoot, took awhile as only just found the page to set up the framing box and things! all good stuff :)



I keep having pink images in crop mode with the lastest build (june 22nd); what settings did you use to get rid of that?
Any particular reslution or else?

Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dima510 on June 23, 2013, 10:59:11 AM
hi -  just wanted to say: GREAT JOB GUYS!! keep up your good work ...

d.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 23, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
I keep having pink images in crop mode with the lastest build (june 22nd); what settings did you use to get rid of that?
Any particular reslution or else?

Thanks for your help!

Is this when you are Auto focusing? If so.. thats normal :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 23, 2013, 12:14:32 PM
"When a1ex says 1872 is a mod16 resolution..."

Thanks for the explanation. I agree there is no noticeable difference and if it lends itself to performance, I'm sold.

Unless you have a specific reason, always be running the latest builds dariSSight. Even though RAW is pretty stable, it's far from ready for general release and the developers need to hear from people who encounter bugs.


Thanks All for the feedback and I'm running the latest build, You had me at Mod16 Resolution.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on June 23, 2013, 01:24:43 PM
Is this when you are Auto focusing? If so.. thats normal :)

Actually no! I only use the AF in photo mode... Are your dng files alright with the latest build?

thanks again!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 23, 2013, 03:07:54 PM
Actually no! I only use the AF in photo mode... Are your dng files alright with the latest build?

thanks again!

When shooting RAW video are making sure ur LV is movie mode?

my DNG's seem to be fine mate.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on June 23, 2013, 11:14:36 PM
When shooting RAW video are making sure ur LV is movie mode?

my DNG's seem to be fine mate.

Yep! LV is movie mode!
But now I'd noticed something very stange:I own a 24-105mm; in crop mode (x5):
when shooting at 24mm: image is perfect
when shooting at 105mm: pink image

Fps overide is set on 24fps exact...

I didn't had this problem with the previous build that I used (14th june)

UPDATE: just to be specific it's working perfectly with resolution 1920 but not higher (used to work just fine before)

UPDATE 2: pink image with aspect ratio at 2:1 in crop mode; perfect image at 2:35
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: moet_chandon on June 24, 2013, 12:11:23 AM
I think it´s absolutely random.

Just made 12 movies in crop mode (tested 1920x960 (first 7) and 1920x818 (rest)):

- good
- pink
- pink
- pink
- good
- pink
- pink
- pink
- good
- good
- pink
- pink

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 24, 2013, 01:24:37 AM
Yep! LV is movie mode!
But now I'd noticed something very stange:I own a 24-105mm; in crop mode (x5):
when shooting at 24mm: image is perfect
when shooting at 105mm: pink image

Fps overide is set on 24fps exact...

I didn't had this problem with the previous build that I used (14th june)

UPDATE: just to be specific it's working perfectly with resolution 1920 but not higher (used to work just fine before)

UPDATE 2: pink image with aspect ratio at 2:1 in crop mode; perfect image at 2:35

Make sure u are using latest RAW2DNG  also
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on June 24, 2013, 03:30:10 AM
Make sure u are using latest RAW2DNG  also

Yes! I actually am! I think like moet_chandon, it looks completely ramdom....
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 24, 2013, 05:57:37 AM
Hello All  :)

Just testing out the New Build From June 21.
I had the June 4th built until now,
I see a big boost in speed for slower Card,
Test out my Scandisk 600x 90MB/s 32 GB
the best i could do before was 1720x864 & 1880x752.
Now i get 1880x800 24p @ 57.3-60.1 MB/s Continuous Recording :D

On my Lexar 1000x 32 GB , with the June 22 Built
1856x928 24p @ 68.7-69.1MB/s with frame over ride on
Crop mode : 2048x856 24p Continuous Recording
Before non crop mode was 1880x854 24p, Crop 2048x820 24p

I didn't see any benefit to use the 22nd built on the Scandisk,
But Gain a little more Frame size with the Lexar
 :)
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 24, 2013, 06:34:39 AM
new build is killing it ! smooth RAW.  thankS

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 24, 2013, 02:56:56 PM
Hello All  :)

Just testing out the New Build From June 21.
I had the June 4th built until now,
I see a big boost in speed for slower Card,
Test out my Scandisk 600x 90MB/s 32 GB
the best i could do before was 1720x864 & 1880x752.
Now i get 1880x800 24p @ 57.3-60.1 MB/s Continuous Recording :D

On my Lexar 1000x 32 GB , with the June 22 Built
1856x928 24p @ 68.7-69.1MB/s with frame over ride on
Crop mode : 2048x856 24p Continuous Recording
Before non crop mode was 1880x854 24p, Crop 2048x820 24p

I didn't see any benefit to use the 22nd built on the Scandisk,
But Gain a little more Frame size with the Lexar
 :)
 

I might have to go back to the June 21st build, it seems more stable I'm getting pink RAW footage. I don't know if its the .013 raw2dng.app or the June 22nd build it does sucks but we always have to keep in mind We Are On The Bleeding Edge.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 24, 2013, 06:33:03 PM
22nd build seems fine to me, only thing iv noticed is the text stays yellow even though my card can capture continuos

UPDATE: 24th released gunna try this bad boy now :) Thanks a.d. :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 24, 2013, 09:08:07 PM
Since it was a supermoon weekend, here's a frame from raw video i shot.
Using 5D2 with nikkor 80-200mm f2.8 at 200mm + 2x teleconverter + MLraw 3x crop = a 1,200mm shot ? :)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn1%2F1063883_531411320249271_1152279442_o.jpg&hash=b15bcb32b55aa5ebc7fb7fe7c407c9c8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 24, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Good Day Fellow Cinematic Revolutionists,

I see that you guys gave us an option to choose 1880 or 1872 resolution, the display of the resolution is very Cool also. My understanding of the option is that 1880 is the resolution Canon software coding allow from the sensor, the 1872 option is the exact 1/3 breakdown of the sensor ML coding and that allow for smoother file conversion without loosing quality from Canon's Sensor coding.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: duncanidaho25 on June 24, 2013, 11:10:49 PM
@ ted ramasola


You and I had similar ideas!


5D2
180mm 2.8 Nikon
2x Converter Bower
Raw workflow
shot at 1728x 736 23.96 fps with 3x crop mode
12 GB file joined together (~4 minutes)
DNGs created with Rawanizer .5.5
dngs color graded in ACR
Resized with Red Giant's "Instant HD" in After Effects CS6
Rendered in Premiere CS6
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 24, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
@ted ramasola & duncanidaho25: Nice, I got a shot of the supermoon a couple days ago too! I just have a cheapo Canon 300mm lens though. Lots of atmospheric distortions were visible. I compared it to a shot I took a couple years ago of a regular full moon and it was indeed a little bigger!

edit: Btw, the moon was also a yellow/light orange in appearance at the time of the shot and it turns out that way in post when I use the same setup I have for regular daylight. What do you guys think about white balancing it to make it gray?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on June 24, 2013, 11:24:30 PM
Thought I'd share. First time out. Shots were really underexposed, having so much information to recover anyways was incredible.  Anyone know why it came out more underexposed than I had seen in the LV?  Jun 22 build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: araucaria on June 24, 2013, 11:52:34 PM
@ted ramasola & duncanidaho25: Nice, I got a shot of the supermoon a couple days ago too! I just have a cheapo Canon 300mm lens though. Lots of atmospheric distortions were visible. I compared it to a shot I took a couple years ago of a regular full moon and it was indeed a little bigger!

edit: Btw, the moon was also a yellow/light orange in appearance at the time of the shot and it turns out that way in post when I use the same setup I have for regular daylight. What do you guys think about white balancing it to make it gray?

Well, you have to turn the slider to the left = less temperature. But the surroundings will become more blue.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 25, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
hello  :)
Test the new June 24th built,
like the new option for frame size nice choice to have, i can use what works for me :D
Frame size overlay nice,  from my point of view i think we are hitting the wall at 70.2MB/s
i have notice that if the recorded frames Start to write @ about 67 MB/s and Pecks at no more then 69.3 MB/s
This will maintain Continuous Recording. But if the write speed Starts to high (68.9MB/s) and perks @ 70.2 MB/s
It will not be stable in writing to card or you get Corrupted Frames.
 
variable buffing is the key to more Stable Frame sizes, &  by Stable i mean "maintain Continuous Recording"
@ any given size.
With this built 1856x928 24p frame over ride on, @68.3-69.1 MB/s Continuous
Crop mode 1600x1076 24p @ 68.5-69.1 MB/s Continuous .Both with Hacked on & 1880 off
Lexar 1000x 32GB :)

 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: krummi on June 25, 2013, 03:37:11 AM
I'm having a hell of a hard time finding a vendor to ship me a 1000x Komputerbay card to Iceland. What kind of success have you guys been getting with 2.35 cropped 1880p footage on slower cards, if any?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 25, 2013, 04:49:46 AM
I'm having a hell of a hard time finding a vendor to ship me a 1000x Komputerbay card to Iceland. What kind of success have you guys been getting with 2.35 cropped 1880p footage on slower cards, if any?

 :) Will i just did a few tests on my slower CF cards as follows:
Scandisk 60MB/s 400x 32 GB = best 1728x736 24p @50.1MB/s (Continuous Recording)
Scandisk 90MB/s 600x 32 GB = best 1880x800 24p @58.9MB/s (Continuous Recording)
Both at 2:35
All with June 24th built, frame over ride on  ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 25, 2013, 07:40:55 AM
Performance gains with variable buffer and speculative start.
Using Lexar 1000x 32gb on 5d2. Each resolution was tested twice, results separated by ( / ).
Card is always formatted in camera before a new build is tested.
All tests done with: GD=off, preview=hacked, FPS over ride= 23.976

resolutions at 1x -- frames 1st take/2nd take

jun 19 by a.d.

1880 x 1058 -- 319/326
1880 x 1016 -- 532/425
1880 x 940  -- 779/988
1880 x 854  --continuous

alex variable buffer jun 21

1872 x 1054 -- 486/480
1872 x 1012 -- 755/732
1872 x 936  -- 2,391/2,272
1872 x 850  -- continuous
1856 x 1044 -- 521
1856 x 928  -- continuous

jun 22 by a.d. spec start off

1872 x 1054 -- 485/582
1872 x 1012 -- 932/876
1872 x 936  -- 4,085/3,626
1872 x 850  -- continuous
1856 x 1044 -- 644/563
1856 x 928  -- continuous

jun 22 by a.d. spec start ON

1872 x 1054 -- 504/531
1872 x 1012 -- 949/893
1872 x 936  -- 2,833/2,369
1872 x 850  -- continuous
1856 x 1044 -- 572/639
1856 x 928  -- continuous

jun 24 by a.d.

1872 x 1054 -- 572/506
1872 x 1012 -- 871/858
1872 x 936  -- 2,868/4,009
1872 x 850  -- continuous
1856 x 1044 -- 557/555
1856 x 928  -- continuous

CROP modes in the following builds;

jun 18-19-21-24 were all Unpredictable and always have pinkish cast in all frames.
I have the number of frames tabulated but since they're mostly pinkish I didn't bother posting.

last build with no pink cast in most resolutions was Jun 16 by a.d.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: motionpikczer on June 25, 2013, 08:14:54 AM

5D mark ii / 2013/06/22 Build
1872 x 936 / Komputerbay 128gb 1000x

:)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 25, 2013, 10:37:15 AM
@ all with random pink frames in crop mode
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/laboratory/wiki/Home

@ted and duncanidaho25
Beautiful shots of the Moon

@motionpikczer
I like it
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 11:30:09 AM
@a.d.

in the link theres a download file, is this the 25th build please? or is it something else?

Cheers  :)


UPDATE: yup... working nice :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 25, 2013, 11:33:15 AM
@ all with random pink frames in crop mode
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/laboratory/wiki/Home

@ted and duncanidaho25
Beautiful shots of the Moon

@motionpikczer
I like it


Good Morning a.d,

Thanks for the new hack the pink frames were becoming a journey, I will install and test.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 11:39:58 AM

Good Morning a.d,

Thanks for the new hack the pink frames were becoming a journey, I will install and test.

It does say in the link btw if you suffer from pink frames to stay away from the build, im not sure if he means the new release or the 24th build, give it a shot :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 25, 2013, 12:28:11 PM
It does say in the link btw if you suffer from pink frames to stay away from the build, im not sure if he means the new release or the 24th build, give it a shot :)

I think a.d said if you had dead pixel in frames stay away from link, but the link is for a fix for pink frames.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 25, 2013, 12:33:59 PM
I can't reproduce the pink frame issue at all.

Straight from my card: http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/5D2/5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug.zip

Write down the black levels (they appear in the top area on the screen, when starting and when stopping recording) and post them, along with the result (whether the recorded frames were pink or not).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 12:34:06 PM
I think a.d said if you had dead pixel in frames stay away from link, but the link is for a fix for pink frames.

Ahhh right, sorry my miss understanding there, all working great btw :)

I can say i have no prink frames as of yet, but highest resolution i can record on atm is 1472x828 due my cards speed.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 12:40:22 PM
I can't reproduce the pink frame issue at all.

Straight from my card: http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/5D2/5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug.zip

Write down the black levels (they appear in the top area on the screen, when starting and when stopping recording) and post them, along with the result (whether the recorded frames were pink or not).

Whats the difference between your fac94f686d23-pink-debug.zip ML A1lex and todays release? Im more than happy to try it or is this for pink frame suffer's again?

Cheers.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 25, 2013, 12:45:00 PM
Mine is a vanilla build from the official repository (no third party code changes), with some debug info about black level.

I've tried to reproduce the pink issue with the latest build from a.d. and effectively got scared. Camera locked up, there were all sorts of overlays fighting and flickering, and there was a huge amount of options in the menu, to the point of being unusable.

I'm trying to stay away from infinite customizability and stick with something that works.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 01:01:14 PM
Ouch, Luckily i haven't had any lock up since 14th build, the build seems to be getting stronger, i would'nt let pink frames put anyone off if anyone else is reading this, to my understanding it seems a rare thing.

Ill stay away from your build for now then, as it sounds abit more complex than the one everyone can download,

be nice once everything is solved/tweaked etc and the big day comes for the major release, but for now im happy playing with new builds and finding things out for you guys...

If you were to recommend a build date A1ex which would it be? bit of a stupid question but i think people who are new here may feel that bit more safe about which Build to use, a lot has gone on since the finding of RAW and like you say, its constantly getting updated, or is it the question of download one and see if it work's?

Cheers,
Doyle
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 25, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Did you actually read my post?

I trust my own code, and I've got scared when I've tried the one from a.d. Guess which one I recommend?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 01:10:50 PM
<--- Dyslexia guy here ill be honest and say i didn't read it clearly, re-read and understand what you put now. Sorry about that. i should proof read my own post too from now also, no wonder im confusing people  :-\
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 25, 2013, 02:49:31 PM
Can i add the ETTR Module to your build A1ex?

UPDATE: yes you can, wasn't 100% sure if you could simply drop it into the modules folder.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on June 25, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
Hey Guys, my first message on this forum, big thanks from the deep of my heart to ML, devs and community for making it real!!!
I'd like to partecipate with my modest feedback :)

I was playing around with 8262dacd390d.zip (2013-06-24 build) when I had a camera crash, here is the log:

Code: [Select]
ASSERT: 0
at Memory\Memory.c:561, task RscMgr
lv:0 mode:3


Magic Lantern version : v2.3.NEXT.2013Jun24.5D2212
Mercurial changeset   : 8262dacd390d+ (unified) tip
Built on 2013-06-24 13:19:11 by ad@MagicLantern.
Free Memory  : 227K + 3863K

I switched it off and then on again and it was ok.

Also the resolution indicator was flickering as a1ex said, it was fighting with the audio indicator on the top left corner of the monitor.

I'm having a problem with raw2dng.exe... I'm still using a pc with Windows XP (forgive me :D) and when I drag and drop a raw file on raw2dng.exe the dng files are created in the following folder: C:\Documents and Settings\MyUserName\ instead of the same folder where raw and .exe files are located.

Thanks again to all, great job!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: NewHourFilm on June 25, 2013, 04:17:52 PM

Just a simple upscaling test with the Photoshop Image Processor. DNG (1880x854) to TIFF (3072x1307). No Post-Sharpening etc.
It is not exactly RED-3K, but you can work with it.

Thanks to Reddeercity for providing the infos on the workflow  :)

1880x854 32GB Transcend 1000x
06/13/2013 Build
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 25, 2013, 07:13:51 PM

Just a simple upscaling test with the Photoshop Image Processor. DNG (1880x854) to TIFF (3072x1307). No Post-Sharpening etc.
It is not exactly RED-3K, but you can work with it.

Thanks to Reddeercity for providing the infos on the workflow  :)

1880x854 32GB Transcend 1000x
06/13/2013 Build

NewHourFilm I've been looking at your video, how does the Tiff files hold up when you blow them up to test for pixel depth? Can you go into a little more about the RED-3K comparison, I'm always geeked to know opinions on how far my 5D Mark II can take me?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 25, 2013, 07:44:42 PM
I can't reproduce the pink frame issue at all.

Straight from my card: http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/5D2/5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug.zip

Write down the black levels (they appear in the top area on the screen, when starting and when stopping recording) and post them, along with the result (whether the recorded frames were pink or not).

I will test out the new .a.d new June 25 282abfa87fef build when I get home, but Alex where do you post you builds I have your pinkdebug build?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: NewHourFilm on June 25, 2013, 08:46:08 PM
dariSSight#1 as far as i can tell, the Tiff file contains the full color information and original resolution. The DNG is transfered to Tiff with 16Bit color depth and so the full 14Bit should transfer in the process. No Banding etc. The PS Image Processor gives you the option to process the DNG to different sizes: 1880x854 (1,6MP) 2048x930 (1,9MP+) or 3072x1395 (4,3MP +) with 240 PPI the resulting 3K Tiff files really show much more detail in comparison to the original DNGs. I don't know if this resolution is just achieved through upscaling the 1880x854 or if the 3K data is backed in in the DNG files, but it really looks nice. It is a shame youtube just compresses everything to 2K in 8Bit 420.

When it comes to image quality and pure resolution and detail the Red cameras are the industy standard, but the images coming out of the 5D2 and 3 are nothing short of amazing. The Red cameras are designed to deliver the best possible image in the 2K+ range and there is a noticeable difference when you compare the upscaled 3K with an 3K R3d file, but it is not as dominant as one would think. I would say you can intercut footage and it would not be a major problem :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 25, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
dariSSight#1 as far as i can tell, the Tiff file contains the full color information and original resolution. The DNG is transfered to Tiff with 16Bit color depth and so the full 14Bit should transfer in the process. No Banding etc. The PS Image Processor gives you the option to process the DNG to different sizes: 1880x854 (1,6MP) 2048x930 (1,9MP+) or 3072x1395 (4,3MP +) with 240 PPI the resulting 3K Tiff files really show much more detail in comparison to the original DNGs. I don't know if this resolution is just achieved through upscaling the 1880x854 or if the 3K data is backed in in the DNG files, but it really looks nice. It is a shame youtube just compresses everything to 2K in 8Bit 420.

When it comes to image quality and pure resolution and detail the Red cameras are the industy standard, but the images coming out of the 5D2 and 3 are nothing short of amazing. The Red cameras are designed to deliver the best possible image in the 2K+ range and there is a noticeable difference when you compare the upscaled 3K with an 3K R3d file, but it is not as dominant as one would think. I would say you can intercut footage and it would not be a major problem :)

WoW, For you to state the intercut possibility the 5D Mark II threat is real.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 25, 2013, 10:06:50 PM
dariSSight#1 as far as i can tell, the Tiff file contains the full color information and original resolution. The DNG is transfered to Tiff with 16Bit color depth and so the full 14Bit should transfer in the process. No Banding etc. The PS Image Processor gives you the option to process the DNG to different sizes: 1880x854 (1,6MP) 2048x930 (1,9MP+) or 3072x1395 (4,3MP +) with 240 PPI the resulting 3K Tiff files really show much more detail in comparison to the original DNGs. I don't know if this resolution is just achieved through upscaling the 1880x854 or if the 3K data is backed in in the DNG files, but it really looks nice. It is a shame youtube just compresses everything to 2K in 8Bit 420.

When it comes to image quality and pure resolution and detail the Red cameras are the industy standard, but the images coming out of the 5D2 and 3 are nothing short of amazing. The Red cameras are designed to deliver the best possible image in the 2K+ range and there is a noticeable difference when you compare the upscaled 3K with an 3K R3d file, but it is not as dominant as one would think. I would say you can intercut footage and it would not be a major problem :)

WoW, For you to state the intercut possibility the 5D Mark II threat is real.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 25, 2013, 10:36:15 PM
dariSSight#1 as far as i can tell, the Tiff file contains the full color information and original resolution. The DNG is transfered to Tiff with 16Bit color depth and so the full 14Bit should transfer in the process. No Banding etc. The PS Image Processor gives you the option to process the DNG to different sizes: 1880x854 (1,6MP) 2048x930 (1,9MP+) or 3072x1395 (4,3MP +) with 240 PPI the resulting 3K Tiff files really show much more detail in comparison to the original DNGs. I don't know if this resolution is just achieved through upscaling the 1880x854 or if the 3K data is backed in in the DNG files, but it really looks nice. It is a shame youtube just compresses everything to 2K in 8Bit 420.

When it comes to image quality and pure resolution and detail the Red cameras are the industy standard, but the images coming out of the 5D2 and 3 are nothing short of amazing. The Red cameras are designed to deliver the best possible image in the 2K+ range and there is a noticeable difference when you compare the upscaled 3K with an 3K R3d file, but it is not as dominant as one would think. I would say you can intercut footage and it would not be a major problem :)

Thanks guy for use my workflow  :) to upscale.
Tiff can carry any embedded profiles that you can embed , or use Camera raw.

The Biggest think you must do is maintain the dpi, (240) Very important ! this is
where the image makes it or brakes it, I have been Working with PS & AE  If you try to upscale in AE
it will look Bad, because AE dose not see the image as Photo image but as Frame image @ 72 dpi.

Plus i have play around with "Film Color Space" in Photoshop & After Effects.
i have been embedding the PanaLog  "Panavision Genesis Tungsten Log"
in the Tiff image , i think that would be great for 2K or 4K "B" roll :D

Panavision Genesis Tungsten Log (Embedded LUT)or ICC for Photoshop
YouTube is the only ones that stream True 2K & 4K in the original Quality setting tab.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sdesign on June 25, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
With the release of these newer memory cards, like the 1000x and the 1066x cards, will there be any sight of full hd in any of the nightlies, anytime in the near future? I for one, hope so, as, I've just ordered a 1066x car, today!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 26, 2013, 12:00:37 AM
With the release of these newer memory cards, like the 1000x and the 1066x cards, will there be any sight of full hd in any of the nightlies, anytime in the near future? I for one, hope so, as, I've just ordered a 1066x car, today!

 :) Can't be done 5d2 sensor will only do Max 1880 wide, and is limited integrally to about 70 MB/s
so with the new built the continuous recording that i get with lexar 1000x 32GB is 1856x928 24p @69.2 MB/s
we are fighting a battle against Hardware limitations  :-[
   
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sdesign on June 26, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
perhaps then, mu question may be off topic, but then, how does a smaller sensor, like the 50d, get more latitude, as well as a higher bitrate?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 26, 2013, 12:45:23 AM
Thanks guy for use my workflow  :) to upscale.
Tiff can carry any embedded profiles that you can embed , or use Camera raw.

The Biggest think you must do is maintain the dpi, (240) Very important ! this is
where the image makes it or brakes it, I have been Working with PS & AE  If you try to upscale in AE
it will look Bad, because AE dose not see the image as Photo image but as Frame image @ 72 dpi.

Plus i have play around with "Film Color Space" in Photoshop & After Effects.
i have been embedding the PanaLog  "Panavision Genesis Tungsten Log"
in the Tiff image , i think that would be great for 2K or 4K "B" roll :D

Panavision Genesis Tungsten Log (Embedded LUT)or ICC for Photoshop
YouTube is the only ones that stream True 2K & 4K in the original Quality setting tab.

Reddeercity thanks for getting the conversation started with the upscale possibility of Magic Lantern gift of RAW video, but to think of the 5D Mark II ML RAW firmware ability as only use for B-Roll kind of sucks. So let's begin with why not use Magic Lantern's gift of RAW as main film production stock? Why not use the the Rawness DNG to upscale at least to 2K, the reports of the Data from the DNG holds up? Why not use the Canon 5D Mark II for motion picture projects, I ask these questions keeping in mind that the fast race car scene in the beginning of Ironman 2 was shot with the Canon 5D Mark II with no fear of Rolling Shutters, the full 6th season finale of House was shot Exclusively with the 5D Mark II (it was a visually broad canvas presentation), the feature film ACT OF VALOR was shot exclusively with the 5D Mark II for 12 million dollars then grossing 81 million dollars and many more worthy Canon 5D Mark II professional projects. All those example of professional film work was accomplish with the Canon limitation firmware, now even if the limitation of Magic Lantern Firmware in RAW giving the Mark III 1920x1080 continuous RAW and the Mark II only shooting 1880x850 continuous RAW but Magic Lantern firmware setting option is very professional. Final question, Isn't the Magic Lantern 5D Mark II firmware settings and RAW capabilities industry standard?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 26, 2013, 03:16:44 AM
Reddeercity thanks for getting the conversation started with the upscale possibility of Magic Lantern gift of RAW video, but to think of the 5D Mark II ML RAW firmware ability as only use for B-Roll kind of sucks. So let's begin with why not use Magic Lantern's gift of RAW as main film production stock? Why not use the the Rawness DNG to upscale at least to 2K, the reports of the Data from the DNG holds up? Why not use the Canon 5D Mark II for motion picture projects, I ask these questions keeping in mind that the fast race car scene in the beginning of Ironman 2 was shot with the Canon 5D Mark II with no fear of Rolling Shutters, the full 6th season finale of House was shot Exclusively with the 5D Mark II (it was a visually broad canvas presentation), the feature film ACT OF VALOR was shot exclusively with the 5D Mark II for 12 million dollars then grossing 81 million dollars and many more worthy Canon 5D Mark II professional projects. All those example of professional film work was accomplish with the Canon limitation firmware, now even if the limitation of Magic Lantern Firmware in RAW giving the Mark III 1920x1080 continuous RAW and the Mark II only shooting 1880x850 continuous RAW but Magic Lantern firmware setting option is very professional. Final question, Isn't the Magic Lantern 5D Mark II firmware settings and RAW capabilities industry standard?

 :D
Don't get me wrong, I think the 5D Mark ii  Is As good if not Better in some cases then Red, Sony etc..
At 2K you would not tell the difference.  As Long as you Film in a way to show off the 5D2 Strong points,
& limit  fast pans, & no complexes pattern from a distance etc...

But the Fact remains that In larger productions 5D mark ii will not get any Chances to prove it self @ 14bits
like all the Big Name players,
Why would you if you were a Production company, Have a choice between
a 1DC @ 4K compressed with a tried and true Workflow & a 5D Mark ii Magic Lantern  Raw Record with a
Not so easily work flow in development , (i know the work flow will get better)
But Big productions will use  the 5D mark 2 or 3 as "B" roll all day long ;)

What Magic Lantern has done is put the power of RAW into the Hands of Small Video Production Company
So we can compete with the larger Production Company s  without Breaking the Bank!

edit:
I will Kept using the 5d mark 2 in all projects, I was very very interested in buy a new Body like a 1DC,
but that can wait for now. But i will be on the lookout for any used 5d2 or 5d3 .
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 26, 2013, 09:05:24 AM
I can't reproduce the pink frame issue at all.

Straight from my card: http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/5D2/5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug.zip

Write down the black levels (they appear in the top area on the screen, when starting and when stopping recording) and post them, along with the result (whether the recorded frames were pink or not).

@a1ex

Heres the test I did on the pink-debug.

I did the test 2x consecutively for each resolution.
In all tests the BL is the same value at beginning and end of clip recording.

In 1X mode, BL=Black Level

Resolution     --  test 1 BL/test 2 BL
1872 x 1054  --  1793  /  1793
1872 x 1012  --  1793  /  1793
1872 x 936    --  1793  /  1793
1856 x 1044  --  1793  /  1793
1856 x 928    --  1793  /  1793
1728 x 928    --  1793  /  1793

In 3X crop mode (5x magnify)

Resolution     --  test 1 BL/test 2 BL
2144 x 1078  --  1023  /  1043
2144 x 972    --  1793  /  1076
1920 x 1076  --  1793  /  1792
1856 x 1044  --  1023  /  1023
1728 x 972    --  1023  /  1793
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 26, 2013, 09:44:33 AM
@ all with random pink frames in crop mode
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/laboratory/wiki/Home

@ted and duncanidaho25
Beautiful shots of the Moon

@motionpikczer
I like it

@a.d.

Thanks for the Fix for pink frames.

Tested it in various resolutions repeatedly, NO MORE PINK FRAMES IN CROP MODE.

Fortunately I do not suffer the bad pixel problem shown in this link.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6426.0


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 26, 2013, 11:25:58 AM
I think It seems to be some race condition between EDMAC and Canon stuff, also in Grayscale mode, and not every camera are affected.
Vanilla for testing:
Update: Deleted!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 26, 2013, 11:31:46 AM
It's from switching from correct preview (with dots) to gray preview (without dots). These two have different black levels.

Try this in raw_video_rec_task:

    /* wait for two frames to be sure everything is refreshed */
    frame_countdown = 2;

instead of 1.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 26, 2013, 11:52:39 AM
Was there any changes to hardware/software on the 2nd edition of the 5D mkii?
I noticed mine is slightly different from my friends older version of the Mkii, he has the one with less water protection, i remember reading about the the two difference's somewhere before i bought mine and im sure the sensor may of been slightly tweaked also? could this be why some are suffering and some are not?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 26, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
No, the pixels I'm talking about come from the Canon's focusing algorithm. They are the result of an edge detection filter.

In many cases they are not noticeable, but when you see them, they are impossible to remove because their location is not constant. They follow high-contrast areas.

Try shooting a barcode or a resolution chart or something similar to see for yourself.

Note: these pixels appear only in 5x color preview.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 26, 2013, 12:23:24 PM
Using your build A1ex im not getting the problem, iv just noticed also my Focus settings for Video are setup to Quick Mode and not Live Mode, shouldn't make a difference should it? I know Live Mode has contrast detection but id of thought all three modes would due to the edge detection filter.

I also have Auto Lighting Optimization off, Highlight Tone Priority off and High ISO Noise Reduction off as i set my quality to Jpeg for the extra memory.

Good luck guys, im sure you will solve it sooner or later, we all thought RAW video wasnt possible and look where we are  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 26, 2013, 01:25:51 PM
I've updated the vanilla build with a1ex fixed for further testing:
6dfbee990661_2nd.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/6dfbee990661_2nd.zip)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on June 26, 2013, 02:21:39 PM
perhaps then, mu question may be off topic, but then, how does a smaller sensor, like the 50d, get more latitude, as well as a higher bitrate?

I guess, although the sensor is smaller, it is made up by bigger (and less) pixels resulting in less lineskipping, not sure about the bitrate but that is probably somehow related to the CF portal bottleneck
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Petruk on June 26, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
I've got a 5d M2 and edit on a mac computer. I can't find the information I'm looking for on this thread, and I wonder if anyone who has made ML work with this configuration would be willing to email me and later answer some questions on the phone. I live in the USA and can pay you something for your trouble via paypal. email address is dandmcguire at  gmail.com.
Thanks,
Dan McGuire
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on June 26, 2013, 05:06:45 PM
Somehow the latest build with this new saving method of buffer is not so much speeding up my recordings.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 26, 2013, 05:17:22 PM
@a.d. I have found some possible bugs. I don't know if anyone else has this but in the latest daily build, and the one before it at least, lists 1856 as the resolution rather than 1872 with 1880 turned off. It always shows as 1856 in the menu but when I select that resolution with 1880 on the resolution display on the live view shows 1880. When I disable 1880 the live view displays this as 1856. The videos are recoreded at 1856 so there is no way of getting 1872.

Also the needed MB/S indicator is off by a factor of 10, its displaying 616.6 mb/s rather than 61.7 mb/s for example.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 26, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
@a1lex
The fixed works

@bnvm
It's not a bug, you need to choose 1920 to get 1872

@Petruk
just post your post-processing problem in this section:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=14.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 26, 2013, 11:50:51 PM
@a.d. Got it, just a thought but it may be good to make the 1880/1872 their own independent resolutions separate from 1920, that way someone could shoot 1872 regular and in 5x crop mode. Right now it is only possible to shoot 1872 regular and 1920 crop. Thanks and awesome work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Will@Elevate on June 27, 2013, 01:44:30 AM
I can't manage to get higher than 58mbs write speed using my 32gb Lexar 1000x on my 5d2.

I have the instructed camera settings, and global draw turned off.. Am I doing something wrong, or do I have a bad card?

Thanks,

Will.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 27, 2013, 01:50:30 AM
I can't manage to get higher than 58mbs write speed using my 32gb Lexar 1000x on my 5d2.

I have the instructed camera settings, and global draw turned off.. Am I doing something wrong, or do I have a bad card?

Thanks,

Will.

As far as im aware the 5D Mkii can only write upto 60mb? i could be wrong, the 1000X speed is read speed, usually on 90mb cards it's referring to read speed.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 27, 2013, 04:21:42 AM
I can't manage to get higher than 58mbs write speed using my 32gb Lexar 1000x on my 5d2.

I have the instructed camera settings, and global draw turned off.. Am I doing something wrong, or do I have a bad card?

Thanks,

Will.

are you setting up your camera in JPEG??
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on June 27, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
I have the Lexar and it writes high 60s, occasionally 70.  As has been noted, set the camera to jpg *stills* and turn off raw stills.  Turn off ML global draw.  And finally, turn off all on-screen Canon graphics.  i.e. Press the 'info' button until the display shows only the LiveView image, not the aperture, shutter, ISO, EV, or anything else.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Will@Elevate on June 27, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I have the Lexar and it writes high 60s, occasionally 70.  As has been noted, set the camera to jpg *stills* and turn off raw stills.  Turn off ML global draw.  And finally, turn off all on-screen Canon graphics.  i.e. Press the 'info' button until the display shows only the LiveView image, not the aperture, shutter, ISO, EV, or anything else.

I have done all these.  when you say high 60's are you referring to the benchmark results (stills/movie mode), or what you see while recording raw video?

Thanks.

EDIT: 70mb/s is the max write speed for the 5D2 correct?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 07:16:52 AM
I have done all these.  when you say high 60's are you referring to the benchmark results (stills/movie mode), or what you see while recording raw video?

Thanks.

EDIT: 70mb/s is the max write speed for the 5D2 correct?

benchmarks aside, can you record 1728 x 972 continuously?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 08:25:34 AM
I've updated the vanilla build with a1ex fixed for further testing:
6dfbee990661_2nd.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/6dfbee990661_2nd.zip)


@a.d. & a1ex

Here is my comparative test between a.d. jun 25 nb "pink fix" (d07dab0ba6c2)
and that of the nb dated jun 26 "combining" a1ex "vanilla" and a.d. (6dfbee990661_2nd)

PINK cast in 5x crop modes are gone.

BUT apparently a.d. nb jun 25 seem to have slightly more frame count than that of nb jun 26.

For these tests, I want to activate features that would be useful for "serious testing".

GD= ON, Preview= Auto. FPS is still set to 23.976.

I made 2 consecutive recordings per resolution to get average # of frames except for 1856x928
were I made 4 tests each due to the high difference, i wanted to confirm the frame count.

test results are separated by ( / ).

RESOLUTION  -- JUN 25     --    JUN 26

1x MODES

1872 X 1054 -- 395/501     --    447/379
1872 X 1012 -- 882/822    --    769/710
1872 X 936  -- 2389/3359   --    2764/2011
1872 X 850  -- continuous    --   continuous
1856 X 1044 -- 612/573     --    611/567
1856 X 928  -- 8675/2445  --    4891/4267
                    /9101/9927      /2099/4891
1728 X 972   -- continuous    --   continuous
1472 X 1104 -- continuous    --   continuous

CROP MODES 3X (5X MAGNIFY)
   
2144 X 1076 -- 234/237     --    219/197
2144 X 1072 -- 211/241     --    153/178
2144 X 972  -- 353/373      --    326/302
1920 X 1076 -- 402/411     --    347/313
1856 X 1044 -- 677/794     --    611/567
1728 X 972  -- continuous    --    contnuous

Also, other features I like in the 25th NB are;

The Black border crop from pravdomil.
Though minor, the options of 1880.

Though I know this is still testing phase, the buffer meter and
other info are smaller and out of the preview frame.

About the preview during recording in crop mode, is it
possible to have the option to choose between, ML grayscale and the
one in 25th build where you get realtime view and color? in the 26th NB
only ML grayscale is there. its ok since framing is accurate but preview
lags so much.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 08:36:59 AM
Did you have the same overlays enabled while recording, in both builds?

I did not remove the Canon preview during crop mode. It's grayscale while recording because of image quality issues with the color preview (I've explained it a lot of times).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
Did you have the same overlays enabled while recording, in both builds?

I did not remove the Canon preview during crop mode. It's grayscale while recording because of image quality issues with the color preview (I've explained it a lot of times).

yes. Both have the same settings. cards are formatted everytime I change builds and also before i do the long recordings.

I understood your concerns on the preview.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
I've checked the code and can't explain the speed difference. Can you compare the latest vanilla (#625) with the one that still had pink cast issues? (#597)

I've noticed the overlays are turned off while recording in a.d. version, while on vanilla builds you have to do so manually.

Also check whether the predicted frame number is achieved. That one is based on the ideal mathematical model: buffer_size / (capture_speed - measured_write_speed). If you are reaching that number, the buffering strategy is optimal (you can't get any better than that without increasing write speeds).

If you are not reaching the predicted number (say it predicts 2000 frames and you only get 1500), we need to enable the debug graphs to see what's going on. Most likely, ML is overestimating card write speed a little.

In my own tests, the prediction was pretty good.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 27, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
First of all: I tested a1ex build and was surprised how few settings there are availlable (until now I only used a.d.'s builds). That's generally great, except one setting: '1880 or 1872'.

On the first hand, 8 pixels more (and 2 the other dimension) are not really something you need to fight for.
But on the other hand, why should I drop them if they are availlable anyway (thus even crop my image a little bit (the recording frame is obviously smaller with the lower resolution)) when there's no decreasing in speed performance?

By the way: Since I joined the raw builds (about two weeks ago), I tried every new build and never had any bad pixels or anything like that. But I never used the 5x or 10x crop modes for I can't see much sense in that (for me).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on June 27, 2013, 08:54:12 AM
Hello! Just downloaded 282abfa87fef.zip, installed and took my 5d mark ii out to a field to test for 20 min. at sunset. Unfortunately I forgot my release plate so it's all handheld. The card is a 32 gb lexar 1000. I've used ML for a while now and I didn't take too much time to read up on the new raw features - just looking at the incredible results around the web!

So here's my rough test:


So I noticed a couple of things - one clip was pink all the way through - it was at 10x. There are also some clips which stutter quite extremely - I was wondering if it was because I had my image stabilizer on and the camera wasn't moving enough? Thoughts on that? There is also a line at the bottom through a couple of the clips.

But I shot directly into the setting sun and there is visible foreground!!! Amazing! (I am using a Light Craft variable nd filter)

I used raw2dng and graded in AE - then exported to h264 720p for vimeo.

Below links to
0 is pink,  21 stutters and 18 has the line at the bottom.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79843444/000000.dng
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79843444/000021.dng
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79843444/000018.dng

Thank you for what you're doing here! Keep it up! ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 27, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
I've noticed the overlays are turned off while recording in a.d. version...
Quite useful 8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 27, 2013, 08:58:04 AM
I have done all these.  when you say high 60's are you referring to the benchmark results (stills/movie mode), or what you see while recording raw video?

Thanks.

EDIT: 70mb/s is the max write speed for the 5D2 correct?

Hi, :)
 you should be getting at least 65MB/s- 70MB/s write to the card on  Lexar 1000x 32GB card
As of June 22nd built these are the Number i'm getting  ;)
Test out my Scandisk 600x 90MB/s 32 GB
1880x800 24p @ 57.3-60.1 MB/s Continuous Recording

On my Lexar 1000x 32 GB , with the June 22 Built
1856x928 24p @ 68.7-69.1MB/s with frame over ride on
1880x854 24p @67.2MB/s with frame over ride on
Crop mode : 2048x856 24p Continuous Recording

In my setting i have Frame over ride On @ "24p" exact, Not 23.98
and i set my Photos to Small Jpeg.

i have Problems recording anythink over 70 MB/s
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 09:02:48 AM
@guentergunter: I have explained the reasons for mod16 resolutions, and I'll stick with that.

If a.d. wants to provide 1880, that's his own choice and I do not support it in any way. I know what trouble I had on 5D3 with random lockups because of DMA misalignment, so I'll stick with a portable solution that works everywhere.

As for the other options, some of them are good and will be added to vanilla builds (e.g. black bars, but in a clean way that does not fight with other overlays), others are just ugly hacks (e.g. dropping frames instead of optimizing playback code, or some status displays moved over ML overlays, therefore flickering like crazy if you enable both.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
I've checked the code and can't explain the speed difference. Can you compare the latest vanilla (#625) with the one that still had pink cast issues? (#597)

I've noticed the overlays are turned off while recording in a.d. version, while on vanilla builds you have to do so manually.

Also check whether the predicted frame number is achieved. That one is based on the ideal mathematical model: buffer_size / (capture_speed - measured_write_speed). If you are reaching that number, the buffering strategy is optimal (you can't get any better than that without increasing write speeds).

If you are not reaching the predicted number (say it predicts 2000 frames and you only get 1500), we need to enable the debug graphs to see what's going on. Most likely, ML is overestimating card write speed a little.

In my own tests, the prediction was pretty good.


I have data from tests with vanilla, give me a couple of minutes while I run some confirmatory tests.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 09:30:34 AM
Comparing Vanilla (5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug ) and a.d. pink fix jun 25 (d07dab0ba6c2)

Ran tests 2 times consecutive for each resolution except in 1856 x 928, ran it 4 times



Resolution     --  A1ex             --  a.d. jun 25 pink fix
                      Vanilla jun 25
1X

1872 x 1054  --  390/528       --  395/501
1872 x 1012  --  840/709       --  882/822
1872 x 936    --  3667/2009   --  2389/3359
1872 x 850    --  continuous   --  continuous
1856 x 1044  --  510/436       --  612/573
1856 x 928    --  3989/5177   --  8675/2445
                            /3321/6452      /9101/9927

1728 x 972    --  continuous   --  continuous
1472 x 1104  --  continuous   --  continuous
   
3X Crop mode
   
2144 x 1076  --  188/235       --  234/237
2144 x 1072  --   221/218      --  211/241
2144 x 974    --   487/376      --  353/373
1920 x 1076  --   416/386      --  402/411
1856 x 1044  --   736/748      --  677/794
1728 x  972   --  continuous   --  continuous

Results are close except for that in 1856 x 928
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 27, 2013, 09:59:23 AM
@guentergunter: I have explained the reasons for mod16 resolutions, and I'll stick with that.

If a.d. wants to provide 1880, that's his own choice and I do not support it in any way. I know what trouble I had on 5D3 with random lockups because of DMA misalignment, so I'll stick with a portable solution that works everywhere.

As for the other options, some of them are good and will be added to vanilla builds (e.g. black bars, but in a clean way that does not fight with other overlays), others are just ugly hacks (e.g. dropping frames instead of optimizing playback code, or some status displays moved over ML overlays, therefore flickering like crazy if you enable both.

It's a theme with two sides...
On the one hand, it's about in-camera write speed. That's something I absolutely trust you (since I don't know much about those algorithms), when you say it decreases write performance (although I do not suffer from that with 1880).

On the other hand it's about h.264. Let's suppose someone owns a 5D2 and does not want to crop the image (5x or 10x) due to the loss of wide angle perspective. So his highest possible resolution is 1880/1872. But noone will use these resolutions for anything further. Thus it's resized to (most obviously) 1080p or 2K.
By scaling an image that way, any previous mod16 resolution will become absolutely needless, unless the primary resolution overall is as high as possible. And here he goes to 1880.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
I did not say anything about camera speed. I only said I had trouble with non-round resolutions in other cameras, and I see no good reason for adding an exception on 5D2 just because it seems to work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
@ted: are you sure the overlays are enabled in both builds while recording?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 27, 2013, 11:35:19 AM
Comparing Vanilla (5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug ) and a.d. pink fix jun 25 (d07dab0ba6c2)

Ran tests 2 times consecutive for each resolution except in 1856 x 928, ran it 4 times



Resolution     --  A1ex             --  a.d. jun 25 pink fix
                      Vanilla jun 25
1X

1872 x 1054  --  390/528       --  395/501
1872 x 1012  --  840/709       --  882/822
1872 x 936    --  3667/2009   --  2389/3359
1872 x 850    --  continuous   --  continuous
1856 x 1044  --  510/436       --  612/573
1856 x 928    --  3989/5177   --  8675/2445
                            /3321/6452      /9101/9927

1728 x 972    --  continuous   --  continuous
1472 x 1104  --  continuous   --  continuous
   
3X Crop mode
   
2144 x 1076  --  188/235       --  234/237
2144 x 1072  --   221/218      --  211/241
2144 x 974    --   487/376      --  353/373
1920 x 1076  --   416/386      --  402/411
1856 x 1044  --   736/748      --  677/794
1728 x  972   --  continuous   --  continuous

Results are close except for that in 1856 x 928

Ted thanks for your extensive information, after your testing so far which build are you using?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 27, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
im currently using 5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug which A1ex posted earlier, so far so good :) best one so far, not all features there but i added the ETTR module my self and seems a'ok, nice n stable.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 27, 2013, 02:24:15 PM
I did not say anything about camera speed. I only said I had trouble with non-round resolutions in other cameras, and I see no good reason for adding an exception on 5D2 just because it seems to work.

Noticed that frame sizes multiple of 512 are a little faster to write (credits: CHDK (http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=9970) and confirmed with my benchmark; also DMA block size is 512, so it makes sense). So, I've rounded things to 64x32 or 128x16, to make sure frame size is multiple of 512.

And indeed, according to my benchmark, 1920x1088 is a little faster to save than 1920x1080.

Now it's your job to calm down the guys who will flood the forum asking where did 1920x1080 disappear ;)

Anyway, I can definitely understand your point and might behave just as.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 27, 2013, 02:52:26 PM
im currently using 5d2-fac94f686d23-pink-debug which A1ex posted earlier, so far so good :) best one so far, not all features there but i added the ETTR module my self and seems a'ok, nice n stable.

These post you guys are referring to are for the 5D Mark III?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 27, 2013, 03:17:04 PM
These post you guys are referring to are for the 5D Mark III?

Thats for 5D mkii direct from A1ex himself :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yaros525 on June 27, 2013, 03:21:11 PM
Hello a.d.,
After Effects CS4, nor Photoshop CS5 can't parse dng's created with raw2dng from June,14 (yours latest build for WIN).
But, I still have yours older June,8 build and it works perfectly fine.
Thnx for your work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on June 27, 2013, 03:33:13 PM
Hello a.d.,
After Effects CS4, nor Photoshop CS5 can't parse dng's created with raw2dng from June,14 (yours latest build for WIN).
But, I still have yours older June,8 build and it works perfectly fine.
Thnx for your work.

Same problem here, cannot import in After Effects CS4 "Import module could not parse the file" or something similar, but I can open them with Photoshop CS5 and Camera Raw 6.7 (Win XP SP3)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 27, 2013, 04:44:48 PM
@A1ex sorry I am sure this info is somewhere else but I am kind of new here, where do I get the current builds for your version? Thanks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 27, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
@A1ex sorry I am sure this info is somewhere else but I am kind of new here, where do I get the current builds for your version? Thanks.

Its on page 26 on this topic at the top,
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 05:50:13 PM
@ted: are you sure the overlays are enabled in both builds while recording?

Yes I am sure.

When I was doing the tests for optimum frame count and malloc tests I had GD=off. preview=hacked, FPS override.

For the tests I did for the pink debug, using (1)vanilla jun 25, (2) a.d. jun 25, (3) a.d. jun 26, I had GD=ON, preview=auto, FPS override.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
Ted thanks for your extensive information, after your testing so far which build are you using?

Using? Like in real project? I would not recommend one at this point since development by the ML team is moving so fast.

For testing, I recommend you follow the current builds and draw your own conclusions based on the CF cards you are using.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 06:57:13 PM
Same problem here, cannot import in After Effects CS4 "Import module could not parse the file" or something similar, but I can open them with Photoshop CS5 and Camera Raw 6.7 (Win XP SP3)

Same problem with CS3.

CS5 is ok.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 27, 2013, 07:34:57 PM
Hmm.. old versions of CS seem not support opcode
@andrus
Version from 2013/06/08
5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mgm on June 27, 2013, 07:35:15 PM
Hello all. Noticing improvement from June 19 to June 27 version

June 19 build
1880x940@24p max recording time : 1:30 seconds

June 27 build
1880x940@24p max recording time : 2:33 seconds

Write speed 69.8 MB/sec on Lexmark 1000x 32GB.

Keep up the great work guys!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 27, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
Currently testing the jun 27 build and with 1872 x 1054, I did 2 takes and I found one clip containing "vertical" noise in all frames.
The 2nd clip is clean.

Whole frame:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn2%2F1040883_338664332931024_498829654_o.jpg&hash=b67913c2d2ed64ba38b6973e81d21bd5)

enlarged portion:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash4%2F1048802_338664309597693_733392382_o.jpg&hash=b88500d61d8504f572083a66b6927156)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 27, 2013, 08:16:27 PM
The new hack option puts my 600x Sandisk 16GB card just into continuous levels at 1880x854! Write speed seemed to stick around 64.7 MB/s. Gonna inspect the frames to see if I get anything like ted ramasola is seeing. I'll also have to account for the fact that I left the unofficial 1880 option on as well...

edit: It was probably a bad idea to record my LCD screen for this test due to the moire lol. I don't see anything wrong, but I'll test it again later.

Whoa, I pushed the res a little higher to see where the write speeds will top off and it seems to be at around 67.5 MB/s @ 1880x940 24.000 FPS. It started off at 68.5 MB/s for a good 10 seconds or so, but dropped. We've come a long way since the early days where I couldn't get more than 53 MB/s. :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 27, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
I have been experiencing vertical noise. First noticed it a few days ago after taking a bunch of photos. It went away after recording a video and then it appeared again yesterday when I first fired up my camera.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 08:33:08 PM
Can you upload the first DNG from the clip?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on June 27, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
The new hack option puts my 600x Sandisk 16GB card just into continuous levels at 1880x854! Write speed seemed to stick around 64.7 MB/s. Gonna inspect the frames to see if I get anything like ted ramasola is seeing. I'll also have to account for the fact that I left the unofficial 1880 option on as well...

edit: It was probably a bad idea to record my LCD screen for this test due to the moire lol. I don't see anything wrong, but I'll test it again later.

Whoa, I pushed the res a little higher to see where the write speeds will top off and it seems to be at around 67.5 MB/s @ 1880x940 24.000 FPS. It started off at 68.5 MB/s for a good 10 seconds or so, but dropped. We've come a long way since the early days where I couldn't get more than 53 MB/s. :D
im getting the same results here.
im on a transcend 600x 16gb.
continuous recording at 1872x796.
peaking at 68mb/s and averaging around 64mb/s.

well done gentlemen :)

ps-do we still have to put the camera mode on C1/C2/C3 mode for more buffer?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 27, 2013, 09:07:42 PM
I didn't save the clip. I figured it was due to me stressing the camera (I was taking lots of bursts) and the 2nd time it happened there was no evidence of it after I pressed record, what puzzled me was why it happened to a camera that was 'cold'. The noise in Ted's image seems more uniform than what I saw. I'm using your latest build and no noise so far.


"ps-do we still have to put the camera mode on C1/C2/C3 mode for more buffer?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the perceived effect of the C modes was down to photo settings and switching them down.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 27, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
Thats for 5D mkii direct from A1ex himself :)

How are they receiving 1920x1088 or 1920x1080, are those reads from crop option?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 27, 2013, 09:27:53 PM
Using? Like in real project? I would not recommend one at this point since development by the ML team is moving so fast.

For testing, I recommend you follow the current builds and draw your own conclusions based on the CF cards you are using.

I was referring to which build has the most stable frame increase, but I get your point all builds are from a growing improvement. Going to test out the June 27 build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: intrinsic on June 27, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Just tested latest build (06/27) with Transcend 1000x 16Gb
with "small hacks" on
vs 06/25:
1880x1058 FPS 23.9 > 265/330
1880x1058 FPS override 20 > 807/2269 (write speeds up avg from 60 to 64 Mb/s)
1728x972 FPS 23.9  > 686/1720


Indeed huge performance breakthrough!
Still wonder, why lowering FPS significantly increases write speed, any ideas?
Anyway, 1880x1058 @20fps looks very good for me )
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sdesign on June 27, 2013, 09:49:43 PM
uh, yea, less fps= more room in the buffer.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on June 27, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
"ps-do we still have to put the camera mode on C1/C2/C3 mode for more buffer?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the perceived effect of the C modes was down to photo settings and switching them down.
so at this point, C-modes have no bearing on buffer space.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: 1% on June 27, 2013, 10:14:19 PM
If you kill the timer completely you might get more speed.

C modes should have never had effect on buffer... but you probably had different settings in them which did.

I don't see why 5DII can't do 80MB/s when 50D can.

If you no-op this, timer should be off completely:

ROM:FFAAF418                 BL      str_StartDialogRefreshTimer
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 27, 2013, 10:52:35 PM
I noticed under Small Hacks it says, Disable Auto White balance and exposure, does it mean it is disabling it or we have too manually? i know how to disable Auto White balance but not exposure if someone could let me know please.

Cheers.

UPDATED: It is under Live View/Movie func. / Stills+Movies and then be sure to be set to Movie Display. If
it is set to Exposure Simulation, the camera, after hitting the record button, will go to auto exposure.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 28, 2013, 01:33:57 AM
 :) Hi All,
Just  tested the New Bulit by  A_D_  today June 27th .(b77a85f7ac68)
Great speed , I didn't think the 70MB/s wall would be push back  :o
I have Never had any  pixel issues  before  like other had, so
i tried his hack, & i  am seeing speeds close to 80MB/s Stable ;D
i tested the Frame sizes that i would use & the ones that are Continuous.

1856x1004 24p 1:85.1  74.7-75.1MB/s Continuous.
1856x1044 24p 16x9    75.6 MB/s         2300 Fame?
1872x1012 24p 1:85.1  75.1 MB/s        3925 Frames
1872x940 24p   2:1.1    73.4 MB/s        Continuous.
1880x1016 24p 1:85.1  74.7MB/s        2526 Frames
1880x940   24p 2:1.1    71.8-72.3 MB/s    Continuous.
Crop:
2048x930 24p   2:20.1  76.3 MB/s         Continuous
2048x1024 24p 2:1.1    78.1 MB/s         890 Frames
2144x896 24p   2:39.1  77.9 MB/s         Continuous
2144x912 24p   2:35.1   78.2MB/s         5167 Frames

Tested on Lexar1000x 32 GB
Frame over ride set to 24p Exact
Small Hack on
Jpeg small, Every thing on default.


 ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: qma5D on June 28, 2013, 02:08:36 AM
Complete newb, but I read the whole post and wasn't able to find anyone with an issue like mine.

I've gotten everything to work except the FPS override.  When I toggle the options it first shows 23.976, then switches to 2.502.  I'm not able to get to either 24 or 25. 

Is there another setting that I'm missing to unlock 24 or 25?  Thanks!

I am using 282abfa87fef from 6/25.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on June 28, 2013, 02:43:14 AM
Complete newb, but I read the whole post and wasn't able to find anyone with an issue like mine.

I've gotten everything to work except the FPS override.  When I toggle the options it first shows 23.976, then switches to 2.502.  I'm not able to get to either 24 or 25. 

Is there another setting that I'm missing to unlock 24 or 25?  Thanks!

I am using 282abfa87fef from 6/25.

 Make sure in "frame over ride" you go to
"Optimize For" set to "Exact FPS"
then set to (in my case 24)
make sure in the Canon Live View/Movie func. set. menu
you are set to 1920x1080 24.
   ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: qma5D on June 28, 2013, 02:47:07 AM
I only have the option for 1080/23.98 or 1080/27.97 in the set menu.

I have 1080/23.98 selected. 

I don't have any of those options in the "Frame Over Ride" section.  I can only select "2.502" or "Off"

Thanks for your response!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 03:14:47 AM
Jun 27 build is an awesome leap in performance.
Amazing job ML team!

Below is a comparison between the best performance of jun 26 with "variable buffer"
to Jun 27 with "small hacks".

Figures separated by a / indicate another test record done.

Also included results for "expected" frames, the figure is the last one shown
at the end of recording.
Hopefully this will help A1ex fix the formula to estimate/predict recorded frames.


In the case of 1872 x 1012, for jun 27 build, the figure expected is very high(8663)
compared to actual recorded frames (4686).

More resolutions are now continuous!


Resolutions   a.d. jun 26    a.d. jun 27    expected
1X Mode
1872 x 1054   447/379      1058/937    1127/972
1872 x 1012   769/710      2749/4686   3709/8663
1872 x 936    2764/2011    continuous    continuous
1872 x 850    continuous    continuous    continuous
1856 x 1044   611             2378        2917
1856 x 928    4891           continuous      continuous
1728 x 972     continuous    continuous   continuous
1472 x 1104    continuous    continuous   continuous

Crop Mode 3X

2144 x 1076     219            371          389
2144 x 1072     178            370          382
2144 x 974      326            947        1014
1920 x 1076     347            1326          1548
1856 x 1044     611            continuous     continuous
1728 x 972     contnuous     continuous     continuous

Great job guys!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on June 28, 2013, 05:02:46 AM
new build 27/06 amazing!@@ super speed i have just one problem!!! i always have the fps override 24 ON but some files seems to come out with 29.97 in 5x and 29.973 in 1x.... at least is what raw2dng or RAWMagic tells me sometimes... NOT ALL FILES COME LIKE THAT its random. Any ideas ?

edit: ok shooting more videos it seems to get stable 24 frames.... pretty strange :D anyway KIIILLLLING IT guysss :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 28, 2013, 06:49:08 AM
Do you guys do FPS override 24.000 fps when the LV mode is set to 24 FPS mode or 30 FPS? I found that I can get a shutter angle closer to 180 degrees in 30p mode and I *think* write speeds are very slightly higher (not sure if placebo). Are there any drawbacks with doing 30 FPS mode overridden to 24.000 FPS versus overriding the default 24 FPS mode?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 06:54:53 AM
Do you guys do FPS override 24.000 fps when the LV mode is set to 24 FPS mode or 30 FPS? I found that I can get a shutter angle closer to 180 degrees in 30p mode and I *think* write speeds are very slightly higher (not sure if placebo). Are there any drawbacks with doing 30 FPS mode overridden to 24.000 FPS versus overriding the default 24 FPS mode?

My setting is 24p in canon menu, FPS override=23.976.  Definitely more frames than when canon menu set to 30p.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on June 28, 2013, 07:34:30 AM
Using? Like in real project? I would not recommend one at this point since development by the ML team is moving so fast.

For testing, I recommend you follow the current builds and draw your own conclusions based on the CF cards you are using.
Well, now that I've seen the raw, I'll probably never want to use anything else. And I have no fear of using it in real projects by now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 28, 2013, 08:14:08 AM
Can you run some card benchmarks (first or second, whichever you want) in playback mode?

(start the benchmark in photo mode with display off)

I'd like to compare the results with the ones from 50D.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on June 28, 2013, 09:02:53 AM
Another Canon setting that may make a difference: LCD brightness should be set to Manual.

CPU usage of LightMeasureTask in play mode:
with LCD brightness auto: 19.3%
with LCD brightness manual: 0.1%
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on June 28, 2013, 02:15:05 PM
Hmm.. old versions of CS seem not support opcode
@andrus
Version from 2013/06/08
5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip)
a.d. thank you very much, I can import in AE CS4 with Camera Raw 5.0 with this version, quality is crystal clear!!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on June 28, 2013, 02:27:06 PM
@a1ex

Here are the results from a Sandisk Extreme Pro 600x 16GB:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgXo9xbP.png&hash=f5523bbd9780c2f73a60ebd6393a17dd)

Using a.d.'s build from commit b77a85f7ac68 (6-27-2013).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mgm on June 28, 2013, 06:04:14 PM
June 27 build : Hack On : LCD Manual : Lexar 1000x 32GB

1880x940 @ 73.5MB/s = Continuous
1880x1058 @ 75.7 MB/s = 50 s = 1213 f
1856x1044 @74.3 MB.s = 1:07 s = 1635 f

Incredible speed increase with the hack, - thank you ML team!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 28, 2013, 06:04:59 PM
Here is a benchmark with a Pro Master 1000X 16 GB, June 27th build. small hacks on, LCD set to manual, 23.976 fps.

I am getting about 72.9 MB/s now in crop, 71.2 MB/s in normal. I was maxing out previously at around 63 MB/s - 65 MB/s.

1872 x 1054 = 565 f
1872 x 1012 = 890 f
1872 x 936   = continuous

1856 x 1044 = 789 f
1856 x 1004 = 1505 f
1856 x 928   = continuous

1920 x 1076 = 465 f
1920 x 1038 = 711 f
1920 x 960   = 3461 f
1920 x 818 = continuous

2048 x 930 = 1293 f
2048 x 872 = continuous

What is the best procedure for setting up a benchmark anyway. I just turn on the LV and go but I noticed that sets a mode of Movie... where most test show a mode of photo, this is for the benchmark in Debug BTW. Thanks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on June 28, 2013, 06:49:05 PM
Great idea the manual LCD  :o
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on June 28, 2013, 07:04:31 PM
incredible performance leap with the 27th build.

I have a 8Gb Sandisk Extreme at 60mb/s and funny enough i get exactly 60mb/s :)) and sometimes just a bit over.

will test out the resolutions right now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
a.d. thank you very much, I can import in AE CS4 with Camera Raw 5.0 with this version, quality is crystal clear!!!

andrus,

does that version of raw2dng work with files more than 4gig?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 08:47:28 PM
Hmm.. old versions of CS seem not support opcode
@andrus
Version from 2013/06/08
5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_WIN_raw2dng.zip)

@a.d.

does this old version still have issues with the vertical banding noise? I recall the raw2dng was tweaked to fixed the vertical noise issues.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on June 28, 2013, 09:25:13 PM
andrus,

does that version of raw2dng work with files more than 4gig?

Ted I don't know, I'll have to try and let you know.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 09:32:46 PM
Ted I don't know, I'll have to try and let you know.


Andrus,

I just rechecked my files and I do believe it does since the +4gig plus feature was implemented starting with May 21 build for raw2dng.

So jun 8 should be ok, what you should check for instead is vertical banding/noise. I think a1ex and others were tweaking the raw2dng to fix it.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on June 28, 2013, 09:55:09 PM

Andrus,

I just rechecked my files and I do believe it does since the +4gig plus feature was implemented starting with May 21 build for raw2dng.

So jun 8 should be ok, what you should check for instead is vertical banding/noise. I think a1ex and others were tweaking the raw2dng to fix it.
Ok Ted, I'll check that in the next few days :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mgm on June 28, 2013, 10:09:16 PM
I am getting corruption on all frames if I record in 1880x940 until card is full.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs24.postimg.org%2Fi64r4e2v9%2Frawerror.jpg&hash=87c20549cee4190f3d37f5d382c71aa6)

Joined RAW files through Terminal and processed with GUI Raw2Dng 0.13 in OSX.

Short clips are fine though. Is this normal? Should I just stop the recording manually before card is full next time?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: 1% on June 28, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
That black bar is on all frames? Seems like skip is wrong.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on June 28, 2013, 10:22:53 PM
Anybody with Komputerbay 64GB can confirm the speed improvements?
I remember that in one build, the developers fixed something about Komputerbay cards..


Thing is when everybody got 350frames at 1880, 16/9, i was getting about 380 frames..
For me, the new build is at staying at 350frames (with small jpeg as picture size, manual lcd brightness, fps override 24)

Could it be a software related issue? Or just a slow card
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 10:32:33 PM
Anybody with Komputerbay 64GB can confirm the speed improvements?
I remember that in one build, the developers fixed something about Komputerbay cards..


Thing is when everybody got 350frames at 1880, 16/9, i was getting about 380 frames..
For me, the new build is at staying at 350frames (with small jpeg as picture size, manual lcd brightness, fps override 24)

Could it be a software related issue? Or just a slow card

did you turn on small hacks?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on June 28, 2013, 10:44:06 PM
the  "small hacks" is setting the file type / size as jpeg small?
in the preview i set "hacked"

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coma on June 28, 2013, 10:51:35 PM
the  "small hacks" is setting the file type / size as jpeg small?
in the preview i set "hacked"

no no no. "small hacks" is a new option in the raw settings

enable it and test again…
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on June 28, 2013, 10:52:11 PM
stupid / blind me :)

found the option.. 75MB/sec :)

guys, i'm gonna contribute, you really deserve it
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coma on June 28, 2013, 10:56:04 PM
stupid / blind me :)

found the option.. 75MB/sec :)

guys, i'm gonna contribute, you really deserve it

please post some numbers for the komputerbay 1000
especially for the close-to-1920x1080 sizes

thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 10:59:26 PM
For 5D2 users looking at how the 30P recording has improved with jun 27 "small hacks" build.

Resolutions    # of frames @30P
1872 x 1054   237
1872 x 1012   312
1872 x 936    460
1872 x 850    770
1856 x 1044   287
1856 x 928    489
1728 x 972    650
1728 x 864    3338
1472 x 1104   701
1472 x 828    continuous
1600 x 900    continuous
   
Crop mode 3x   
2144 x 1076   132
2144 x 1072   158
2144 x 974    213
1920 x 1076   235
1856 x 1044   294
1728 x 972    476
1600 x 900    continuous
1472 x 828    continuous

The highest res for continuous recording has indeed increased. Previous NB it was only at 1472x828 Now its at 1600x900.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on June 28, 2013, 11:11:04 PM
getting 66mb/s with manual LCD brightness.
64mb/s with LCD brightness set to auto.
about a 2mb/s boost.

june 27 build
transcend 600x
small hacks-on
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 11:13:40 PM
getting 66mb/s with manual LCD brightness.
64mb/s with LCD brightness set to auto.
about a 2mb/s boost.

june 27 build
transcend 600x
small hacks-on

so how close are we to shooting 1920x817(1:2.35) or 1920x803(1:2:39)?

1920 width is technically not possible with 5D2. Thats according to A1ex when he looked at actual res beoing pulled out of the 5d2 sensor.

This he has mentioned "several" times already.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 28, 2013, 11:15:18 PM
1920 width is technically not possible with 5D2. Thats according to A1ex when he looked at actual res beoing pulled out of the 5d2 sensor.

This he has mentioned "several" times already.

1920 is possible with crop modes only, I can record 2048 at 1:2.35 continuous with my 5D2.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 28, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
1920 is possible with crop modes, I can record 2048 at 2.35/1 continuous.

that is correct. at 1:1 pixel in 3X crop mode. In fact the max for 5D2 is at 2144x1076 crop mode.

What some are asking is the 1x mode from the entire sensor readout. Max width "for now" is at 1872 (a1ex vanilla=more frames) 1880 (a.d. version)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 28, 2013, 11:21:44 PM
that is correct. at 1:1 pixel in 3X crop mode. In fact the max for 5D2 is at 2144x1076 crop mode.

What some are asking is the 1x mode from the entire sensor readout. Max width "for now" is at 1872 (a1ex vanilla) 1880 (a.d. version)

Understood, but I don't see any reference to 1X recording in the post above just if it was possible. Just clarifying that is is possible and how. Thanks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on June 28, 2013, 11:22:18 PM
I tried to read through the threads but I can't find what 'Small hacks' actually is. Can someone explain this before turning it on? Thanks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on June 28, 2013, 11:25:42 PM
I tried to read through the threads but I can't find what 'Small hacks' actually is. Can someone explain this before turning it on? Thanks.

If you scroll down to it in the ML menu it will give a tool tip telling what it does. I don't recall exactly but it disables some automatic features, and slows down the refresh rate of the live view, etc... Something along those lines, it basically just disables some features that are not necessary to gain a little speed.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on June 28, 2013, 11:26:49 PM
1920 width is technically not possible with 5D2. Thats according to A1ex when he looked at actual res beoing pulled out of the 5d2 sensor.

This he has mentioned "several" times already.
yeah my bad, realized that 1920x1080p was being upscaled.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on June 29, 2013, 01:08:20 AM
Yet more advances? You guys make me feel good.

5d2, Komputerbay 64GB, b77a85f7ac68, small hacks on, GD off, exact 24 fps, manual lcd:

1880 x 1250

287
272
285
282
286
282
286
279

1872 x 1250

289
298
280
301
285
297
285
299

____________

1.85:1 is not far off continuous @1872  it seems. I had a momentary issue with write speed data display and performance dropping to under half of my normal numbers. Ignore the essay below if this isn't unheard of.

After doing these tests I put the card in my reader (Kingston FCR HS3) and used RAWanizer 0.5.5 to view the frame count on my tests. I put the card back in the camera without moving or wiping the files and began testing ratios. Started with 1.85:1 and figured I would be close to continuous with that. As soon as I hit record, the buffer filled and I dropped a frame. Went to RAW settings and the write speed was showing yellow 31.3MB/s. Flicked through the ratios and they were all crippled this way. Tried recording at 2.35:1 and that seemed to run as usual, went back to RAW settings and after scrolling through the ratios, the write speed data was showing 74.4MB/s.   
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on June 29, 2013, 02:45:34 AM
please post some numbers for the komputerbay 1000
especially for the close-to-1920x1080 sizes

thanks

1872x1052 - 1311frames / 1515 frames / 1427 frames
before this build I was having about 380 frames

I propose the "small hacks" to be renamed in "BIG HACKS" :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 04:20:03 AM
1872x1052 - 1311frames / 1515 frames / 1427 frames
before this build I was having about 380 frames

I propose the "small hacks" to be renamed in "BIG HACKS" :)

Better yet, they should just include it within the code and ON at default and should not even be an option to be ON or OFF.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: krummi on June 29, 2013, 05:45:56 AM
DR and heavy grade test on Jun26 build. NOT a test for overall IQ but just seeing how much you can pull back in extreme conditions. Pretty impressive how much it holds on to in the highlights.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: gnarr on June 29, 2013, 05:55:24 AM
I can do 76MBps on my Computerbay 1000x 64GB with the 27th of june build, 1.85:1 at 1880x1016@23.976fps.  8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ARP on June 29, 2013, 10:36:43 AM
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Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on June 29, 2013, 11:03:52 AM
Better yet, they should just include it within the code and ON at default and should not even be an option to be ON or OFF.

Best to have it as an options as the Small Hack slows down Canons GUI  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: jplsfx on June 29, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Build b77a85f7ac68
LEXAR 64Gb    x1000

1872x1012 apparently continuous at 24fps / small hack on / M / LV movie mode.

just started the test !!, that's great !!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 04:43:33 PM
Best to have it as an options as the Small Hack slows down Canons GUI  :)

Then have it ON when Raw Video is ON since you won't be using Canon GUI when shooting .

Eventually when devs have found optimum settings for this, things like Preview=hacked or small hacke=on/off and other graphics used for benchmarking, will be removed and integrated where its activation is transparent to the user.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 29, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
Better yet, they should just include it within the code and ON at default and should not even be an option to be ON or OFF.

Hope you guys are having a good weekend.
I need answers to some question for me, I know 1872 is the 1/3 line skipping of the Full Sensor Res so is that the Max setting for Raw on 5D Mark II? Also what Aspect Ratio do you use the most and can you give a quick personal reason for your choosing? And finally Ted when you do your very instinctive test I alway wonder are you using the Max setting?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 29, 2013, 05:14:49 PM
I love the isolation of the frame ratio in Canon Preview option, what is this a disliked preview? Most poster favor ML Grayscale and HaCKeD which I feel all are evenly necessary but why is the HaCKeD option better for frame increase?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on June 29, 2013, 05:32:54 PM
@mgm
a1ex already fixed that for 5D3 2 weeks ago, you need to report the bug.

@ted
I've checked it, the difference between both are only the DNG file format 1.2 vs 1.3.
That means 4GB+ and the tweak to fix the vertical stripes are included.

@dariSSight#1
HaCKeD doesn't work on 5D2!
1872 nothing to do with line skipping! 512 are a little faster to write! That's all!
http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=9970
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
Build b77a85f7ac68
LEXAR 64Gb    x1000

1872x1012 apparently continuous at 24fps / small hack on / M / LV movie mode.

just started the test !!, that's great !!!

Can you confirm that with your card? With a 3sgig 1000x At that resolution with that build its not continuous. I only averaged between 2400 - 4600 frames, Same with jun 29 build.

For now its 1872 x 936, 1872 x 850, 1856 x 928, 1728 x 972, 1472 x 1104 and lower that can give you continuous recording.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 06:20:52 PM

@ted
I've checked it, the difference between both are only the DNG file format 1.2 vs 1.3.
That means 4GB+ and the tweak to fix the vertical stripes are included.


Thanks for checking a.d. I'll use it and see if it will not have issues with the RAWanizer and Raw2Cdng converters as well.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 29, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
Can you confirm that with your card? With a 3sgig 1000x At that resolution with that build its not continuous. I only averaged between 2400 - 4600 frames, Same with jun 29 build.

For now its 1872 x 936, 1872 x 850, 1856 x 928, 1728 x 972, 1472 x 1104 and lower that can give you continuous recording.

I was able to get 1872x1012 continuous on my Lexar 32GB 1000x with June 27 Build, I'm going to install the June 29th build right now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 10:11:20 PM
I was able to get 1872x1012 continuous on my Lexar 32GB 1000x with June 27 Build, I'm going to install the June 29th build right now.

At first few frames the EXPECTED frames would say CONTINUOUS OK but after several thousand frames it would change to a much lower number. You have to see if,

1. It would stop when card capacity is reached.
or
2. It would change and stop before reaching card capacity.

I was misled during a couple of my tests when I immediately saw, CONTINUOUS OK then i stopped recording, when on my subsequent tests it would significantly lower.

I have ran 1872 x 1012 several times and it never would fill up my card.

This is with GD=ON, preview=Auto, since in production scenario you need them to be ON.

GD=off, preview=hacked makes no difference in 27 and 29 build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on June 29, 2013, 10:36:34 PM
At first few frames the EXPECTED frames would say CONTINUOUS OK but after several thousand frames it would change to a much lower number. You have to see if,

1. It would stop when card capacity is reached.
or
2. It would change and stop before reaching card capacity.

I was misled during a couple of my tests when I immediately saw, CONTINUOUS OK then i stopped recording, when on my subsequent tests it would significantly lower.

I have ran 1872 x 1012 several times and it never would fill up my card.

This is with GD=ON, preview=Auto, since in production scenario you need them to be ON.

GD=off, preview=hacked makes no difference in 27 and 29 build.


 I stand corrected, thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: oddname on June 30, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
Latest build = awesomenewss in terms of speed =)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 01, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
Small reminder.

Can you run some card benchmarks (first or second, whichever you want) in playback mode?

(start the benchmark in photo mode with display off)

I'd like to compare the results with the ones from 50D.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: chadsky on July 01, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
my test :
http://s017.radikal.ru/i414/1307/ec/51308a3d7efb.jpg (http://s017.radikal.ru/i414/1307/ec/51308a3d7efb.jpg)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: onickz on July 01, 2013, 12:33:12 PM
Hi,

I still have the issue of frame recorded in wrong order when using crop mode. The first frame appear each 2 frames. So it counts 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 and so on. Anyone with same issue ? Issue existing since first release of Raw module.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 01, 2013, 12:46:01 PM
Hi,

I still have the issue of frame recorded in wrong order when using crop mode. The first frame appear each 2 frames. So it counts 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 and so on. Anyone with same issue ? Issue existing since first release of Raw module.

Sounds to me you are using x10 crop.... it doesn't work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: fatpig on July 01, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
What do we do with pink videos from 5x crop mode?
Is there any way to make these look normal again? :)

EDIT: it was a problem with RAW2GPCF, so never mind. :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: al on July 01, 2013, 12:55:35 PM
I want to thank the whole team for the great developers desired interesting work.

Build 3ecd254bdba1 (2013.06.29)
Benchmark card Transcend 32GB 1000x

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1ekmecA.gif&hash=7f6ef959dae2f3ddab2ce3559afe594e)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ch_d on July 01, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
Komputerbay 128GB 1000x UDMA7
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage-upload.de%2Fimage%2FIM2GVL%2F8e3088ead2.jpg&hash=8346186086a3d83fec4b57ee1ccc016e)

Why is my write speed so low? Better with the 64GB CF card?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 01, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
Speed keeps getting better, I am now getting continuous recording at 1920x960 (23.976 fps) for the first time. In crop my write speed has increased from 72.9 to 73.8 MB/s. This is with a ProMaster 1000X 16GB card.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dima510 on July 02, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
my 5d2 with a transcend 1000x 32gb is not even closely as fast as the one above. any ideas why? is this related to "playback" or "photo" mode? and if so: how do i get into playback mode for the test?


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdirkmallwitz.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2FTEST.bmp&hash=ee8dcd97fde60229dd7bd0e1e97d7465)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 02, 2013, 11:49:29 AM
my 5d2 with a transcend 1000x 32gb is not even closely as fast as the one above. any ideas why? is this related to "playback" or "photo" mode? and if so: how do i get into playback mode for the test?

You want the latest build, your build doesn't have Small Hacks on the build, this helps alot, and also the new Card Warm up seems to be nice, i found writing 128mb to the card on boot up to be best so far.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 02, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
You want the latest build, your build doesn't have Small Hacks on the build, this helps alot, and also the new Card Warm up seems to be nice, i found writing 128mb to the card on boot up to be best so far.

What do you mean the New Card Warm Up?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dima510 on July 02, 2013, 12:19:32 PM
You want the latest build, your build doesn't have Small Hacks on the build, this helps alot, and also the new Card Warm up seems to be nice, i found writing 128mb to the card on boot up to be best so far.

thanks for your reply! i was referring to the first benchmark result from *al*, who used the same build (27-jun) and the same card. but his results have been achieved in "playback" mode, which i cannot activate while running the tests - at least i don't know, how :-)
also, this build has the "small hacks" option and i can enable that - but the performace stays low :-/
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on July 02, 2013, 12:26:21 PM

Goooooodmorning raw people, my first test! 2013-06-27 build

Unfortunately at the moment I can't afford a fast card, I'm testing with a Lexar 200x :(

GD off, small hacks on, LV mode: Movie, 23,976 fps (no fps override)

A few thoughts:

I'm working with After Effects CS4 and Camera Raw 5.0 on Win XP SP3, I'm using raw2dng.exe version 2013/06/08, as a.d. said CS4 doesn't support recent dng files.
On my pc raw2dng will not extract the pictures in the folder where my files are located but I found them in C:\Documents and Settings\MyUserName\ (probably I'm missing something?)

Shots look very good, no vertical stripes, just some bad frames in my second 10x crop mode shot, and the moon shaking in my last one, however I was reading that 10x is not working at the moment...

A new life has begun, things are improving very quickly, thank you so much guys!!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 02, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
thanks for your reply! i was referring to the first benchmark result from *al*, who used the same build (27-jun) and the same card. but his results have been achieved in "playback" mode, which i cannot activate while running the tests - at least i don't know, how :-)
also, this build has the "small hacks" option and i can enable that - but the performace stays low :-/

I believe you benchmark in playback mode by starting the test with the live view off. Don't worry about doing that because testing in playback mode gives invalid results anyways. It is benchmarking the performance of the camera to playback a recorded movie not the speed of recording a raw movie which is always slower. I am not sure what the proper settings are for doing a benchmark but I believe it should be either photo or movie mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on July 02, 2013, 05:41:56 PM
Vesuvio? Nice place  8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 02, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
thanks for your reply! i was referring to the first benchmark result from *al*, who used the same build (27-jun) and the same card. but his results have been achieved in "playback" mode, which i cannot activate while running the tests - at least i don't know, how :-)
also, this build has the "small hacks" option and i can enable that - but the performace stays low :-/

When i do a bench mark test ill be honest and say im not sure either how to get it photo mode, tried all sorts, iv managed to get it into playback mode and movie but not photo yet :/ if some one can share with us how that be great.

Also you results may be slow due to not having raw video settings correct, again i dont know the right settings but mine are as follows..

Jpeg small (no raw function at all)
LCD brightness - Manual
Highlight tone priority - off
Auto lighting optimizer - off
Global Draw - off
Small Hacks - on
Card Warm Up - 128mb

Update to latest build, enable hacks, enable card warm up with 128mb write and try again dude.  ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ch_d on July 02, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
i can´t get more than 64,8mb/s with my komputerbay 1000x udma7 128gb card.
GD off. Small hacks on. ect.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: jplsfx on July 02, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
set up at 1872x1012 
ratio 1:85   
24fps   
Global draw off
small Hack on
LV mode movie
warmup    128mo

and tell us.

On my side when my test go over 4Go and it create a second file xxxx00.RAR, when I uncompress it , all the sequence is noisy pink, all bad ... on different format ...
normal guyz ???
raw2dng version ???

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 02, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
i can´t get more than 64,8mb/s with my komputerbay 1000x udma7 128gb card.
GD off. Small hacks on. ect.

I will receive my 32gb komputerbay in the next days (*FINALLY*), I'll let you know.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 02, 2013, 10:55:02 PM

Goooooodmorning raw people, my first test! 2013-06-27 build

Unfortunately at the moment I can't afford a fast card, I'm testing with a Lexar 200x :(

GD off, small hacks on, LV mode: Movie, 23,976 fps (no fps override)

A few thoughts:

I'm working with After Effects CS4 and Camera Raw 5.0 on Win XP SP3, I'm using raw2dng.exe version 2013/06/08, as a.d. said CS4 doesn't support recent dng files.
On my pc raw2dng will not extract the pictures in the folder where my files are located but I found them in C:\Documents and Settings\MyUserName\ (probably I'm missing something?)

Shots look very good, no vertical stripes, just some bad frames in my second 10x crop mode shot, and the moon shaking in my last one, however I was reading that 10x is not working at the moment...

A new life has begun, things are improving very quickly, thank you so much guys!!!

There is no 10x crop mode. Only 3x crop mode triggered via 5X magnify button. The 10x magnify will still give you 3X crop mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 02, 2013, 11:52:35 PM
It appears that crop mode has maximum vertical resolution of 1076, any reason why that is?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andrus on July 03, 2013, 12:18:12 AM
There is no 10x crop mode. Only 3x crop mode triggered via 5X magnify button. The 10x magnify will still give you 3X crop mode.

Uh?!? Thanks, didn't notice that... need to update my video ^_^

Just a question: when I shoot at 3x the frame rate (displayed in the top right corner of the LV) automatically changes from 23,976 to 29,667... why? Is this the reason why I have to use fps override?

@Clemens: yes, Vesuvio  ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on July 03, 2013, 03:46:37 AM
Just a question: when I shoot at 3x the frame rate (displayed in the top right corner of the LV) automatically changes from 23,976 to 29,667... why? Is this the reason why I have to use fps override?

yes.. that's right... and its good to have fps override ON so you get same frame rate all the time!

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 03, 2013, 03:48:42 AM
At first few frames the EXPECTED frames would say CONTINUOUS OK but after several thousand frames it would change to a much lower number. You have to see if,

1. It would stop when card capacity is reached.
or
2. It would change and stop before reaching card capacity.

I was misled during a couple of my tests when I immediately saw, CONTINUOUS OK then i stopped recording, when on my subsequent tests it would significantly lower.

I have ran 1872 x 1012 several times and it never would fill up my card.

This is with GD=ON, preview=Auto, since in production scenario you need them to be ON.

GD=off, preview=hacked makes no difference in 27 and 29 build.

Hello Ted,
Hope everything is good for you, I was ordering the method behind Card Warm Up function and what's your theory of when and why us the 3x crop when for closer subject its a distance challenge. But I love it no matter what, I will use it for far wide shots and maybe micro subjects.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 03, 2013, 04:09:25 AM
i can´t get more than 64,8mb/s with my komputerbay 1000x udma7 128gb card.
GD off. Small hacks on. ect.

Mine varies from 73MB/s to 76.4MB/s
Komputerbay 1000x 32gb
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F727lhj.jpg&hash=0adbbfe7725ca001a9f96e16cc5e557a)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 03, 2013, 04:25:03 AM
where did the audio recording go off to?
also i really wish you guys could bring back the resolution selection of when this first came out. I was shooting anamorphic and a resolution between 4:3 and 1:1 would be great 4:3 gives me 2.66:1 and 11 gives me 16:9 on the old version you didnt have to select an aspect ratio, you could just select width and height. Great work though, cant wait to see how far this will go! Been using magic lantern ever since i bought my first canon (t2i) back in 2010.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dima510 on July 03, 2013, 10:30:07 AM
I believe you benchmark in playback mode by starting the test with the live view off. Don't worry about doing that because testing in playback mode gives invalid results anyways. It is benchmarking the performance of the camera to playback a recorded movie not the speed of recording a raw movie which is always slower. I am not sure what the proper settings are for doing a benchmark but I believe it should be either photo or movie mode.

thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 03, 2013, 11:10:24 AM
where did the audio recording go off to?
also i really wish you guys could bring back the resolution selection of when this first came out. I was shooting anamorphic and a resolution between 4:3 and 1:1 would be great 4:3 gives me 2.66:1 and 11 gives me 16:9 on the old version you didnt have to select an aspect ratio, you could just select width and height. Great work though, cant wait to see how far this will go! Been using magic lantern ever since i bought my first canon (t2i) back in 2010.

ML has change the Game, where from professional videographer to Cinematographers if you have a limited budget but good technique you can achieve very film industry professional end results. You were saying you could get anamorphic 2.66:1 out of 4:3 and anamorphic 16:9 out of 1:1 frame recording, but aren't you cropping out image anyway as ML does now in format selection? I do wish they could put description icon or writing to explain different in aspect ratio for example 2.35:1 or 2.39.1 Cinescope setting and 16:9 or 1.85:1 HDTV setting ect. Please correct me where I maybe make an error in characterization recent anamorphic 2.35:1 or 2.39.1 may be called super 35.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ch_d on July 03, 2013, 11:11:06 AM
Mine varies from 73MB/s to 76.4MB/s
Komputerbay 1000x 32gb
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F727lhj.jpg&hash=0adbbfe7725ca001a9f96e16cc5e557a)

ok - than my low mb/s is caused by my 128gb komputerbay card...
with your exact same settings i can´t get more than 65mb/s

here is my screenshot:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F32zn7up.jpg&hash=6d9adce4b25cffa04dee1266b5f76dfc)
no green text!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 03, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
ok - than my low mb/s is caused by my 128gb komputerbay card...
with your exact same settings i can´t get more than 65mb/s
no green text!

Iv read onthe web that the best Komputerbay card is the 64GB one, the rest are not as fast, not sure why but all over amazon people are saying 64GB if using ML.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bronson on July 03, 2013, 12:28:43 PM
I'm around 65-70mbs with my transcend 32gb 1000x...
With window's benchmark it's around 95-100 mbs.

At work we bought an 1DC with a 64gb 1000x Hoodman steel (350$), so i made a small bench...
I write 74mbs continuously  8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 03, 2013, 02:01:55 PM
I'm around 65-70mbs with my transcend 32gb 1000x...
With window's benchmark it's around 95-100 mbs.

At work we bought an 1DC with a 64gb 1000x Hoodman steel (350$), so i made a small bench...
I write 74mbs continuously  8)

Im getting around 70 - 71mb with my transcend 32gb 1000x, cant continuos 1880 though still :( BUT its much better than i was when i was using a 60mb write max card :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 03, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
Has the 4gb Split been taken away? im complaining at all! just i got a raw file on my card over 4gb n its not split :) sweet
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 03, 2013, 02:36:42 PM
Has the 4gb Split been taken away? im complaining at all! just i got a raw file on my card over 4gb n its not split :) sweet

how big is your file?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 03, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
was 4.8gb  :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 03, 2013, 03:13:11 PM
it was probably just  4,294,967,295 bytes.  5D2 is still split files as of jun 29 nb.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 03, 2013, 03:30:16 PM
Ahhhh that makes sense! would be nice if Canon allowed ExFat on the mkii
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Bradley on July 03, 2013, 03:47:12 PM
Sandisk Extreme 60 MB/s 400x 64GB card.
I can do a little less than 55MB/s in raw video mode.

I don't know how you guys got that screen shot of your results, so here is the text from the bench.log file


ML v2.3.NEXT.2013Jun29.5D2212, 3ecd254bdba1+ (unified) tip
Mode: playback, Global Draw: ON
10312704 607
15885312 615
80896 149
8949760 546
28661760 594
16264192 595
24521728 600
16424960 593
13148160 583
15619072 582
1658880 516
21001216 464
8548352 251
19760128 356
5965824 188
24906752 417
13968384 269
16770048 385
4542464 168
13063168 363
33263616 433
30312448 353
16713728 319
3887104 137
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: chadsky on July 05, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
so many days without updates ...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on July 05, 2013, 10:36:46 AM
Sandisk Extreme 60 MB/s 400x 64GB card.
I can do a little less than 55MB/s in raw video mode.

I don't know how you guys got that screen shot of your results, so here is the text from the bench.log file
It's saved in the CF card, in the main folder.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ch_d on July 05, 2013, 11:09:38 AM
So. Now i know why i can´t record with 70mb/s...
I have the Komputerbay 128GB card. With the AJA System Test i can only get around 67mb/s in writing ... looks like komputerbay can´t keep the 1000x speeds like other cards.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 05, 2013, 11:54:44 AM
so many days without updates ...

Not at all.... check the change log, always work going on on Magic Lantern that you dont see  ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 05, 2013, 12:27:57 PM
So. Now i know why i can´t record with 70mb/s...
I have the Komputerbay 128GB card. With the AJA System Test i can only get around 67mb/s in writing ... looks like komputerbay can´t keep the 1000x speeds like other cards.

Fastest Komputerbay card is the 64gb apparently
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Bradley on July 05, 2013, 04:50:16 PM
It's saved in the CF card, in the main folder.

The benchmark saves it on the CF in the main folder? when I run the benchmark it only creates a text file, and the only way I know to take a screenshot is from the menus, so when I go to take a screenshot it removes the benchmark results off screen.

Also I was wrong about my CF card doing 55MB/s the Sandisk extreme 64GB 400x will do 57.2-57.4MB/s which is pretty good I think for a 400x card. I can run 1600x900 for about 6GB worth of footage before the buffer overfills. I'm quite pleased with that as I don't have moneys for 1000x card and 1600x900 looks pretty great.


Also, I don't know if this is a understood bug, but when my raw videos go over 4GB magic lantern splits the file and then creates these .rar files.  I get an error on the original 4GB raw file about it not containing a footer and it won't work with the DNG creator. I also can't unrar the rar files either.

I'd love an option for it to just stop recording at 4GB until it is fixed because it basically makes any video that goes over 4GB unusable.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on July 05, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Using 6/29 build and an external monitor, crashed every time when trying to write with the external monitor attached. Attached crash logs for review

http://sdrv.ms/17XKStJ
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 05, 2013, 06:17:31 PM
Also, I don't know if this is a understood bug, but when my raw videos go over 4GB magic lantern splits the file and then creates these .rar files.  I get an error on the original 4GB raw file about it not containing a footer and it won't work with the DNG creator. I also can't unrar the rar files either.

I'd love an option for it to just stop recording at 4GB until it is fixed because it basically makes any video that goes over 4GB unusable.

The file splitting is not a bug, once the 4 GB limit is reached it automatically starts recording to a new file then later on the files can be merged back into 1 file before exporting to dng's, the files must be merged back together as they are all incomplete on their own.  They are not rar files by the way they just use the same file extensions that split rar files use, they are RAW files. All this info is on the first post in this topic but here is how you join the files.

Quote
Joining files
WIN
    Start dialog: cmd
    1. cd C:\Users\my_destination_folder
    2. copy /B xyz.RAW+xyz.R00+xyz.R01 xyz.RAW
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 05, 2013, 06:55:48 PM
In the same fashion of the native H.264 from canon, is there anyway way ML firmware could allow ProRes 4444 or ProRes 422?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 05, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
In the same fashion of the native H.264 from canon, is there anyway way ML firmware could allow ProRes 4444 or ProRes 422?

We will need confirmation from one of the dev's but I am almost postive the answer will be no. The 5d2 cpu is not fast enough to do any kind of compression/encoding and there is no known way to change the compressor from h264 which I believe is handled by the DIGIC chip. Right now the only options are h264 from canon or just straight copying the raw data directly off the sensor to a file, the cpu is not even fast enough to convert the data to 12 or 10 bit before writing which would be a huge breakthrough allowing a compromise between bit depth and resolution. 14 bit is nice but a bit of overkill at times.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 05, 2013, 08:37:45 PM
In the same fashion of the native H.264 from canon, is there anyway way ML firmware could allow ProRes 4444 or ProRes 422?

ProRes is an Apple codec... no chance it will happen,
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 05, 2013, 10:08:34 PM
I kind of thought that would be the answer, so that's it. I think once ML run thorough test to every function we might have a good understanding to this Miracle Firmware Called Magic Lantern RAW. I would like to thank the Magic Lantern Team for this Cinematic Break Through, I'm sure you might have more in store with your BETA and I'm on pins and needles.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: athimbleofdan on July 06, 2013, 12:16:33 AM
wtf is this  :o Same results in video mode. Done after card format.

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPMd2Szd.png&hash=61577d9a98ccce47349a18830719ec48)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 06, 2013, 07:04:38 AM
Hi All  :)
Just Got My New 64 GB Lexar 1000x Card today so i tested with A_D_ June 29 & 27 Hack built
I did 6 tries at full 64GB card record.

After about 3 Hours of testing, i have found that at 42 GB there is a problem writing to card.
I was going after a full stable Card record of 64 GBs .
1856x1004 @ 24p or 23.976p it was continuous until i hit the 42 GB barrier , at that point
It when from "continuous Recording" with very little buffering to heavy buffer  "expected 77" @ 2.8MB/ss ?
Then stop recording @ 14,921 frames , 12,568, 9122, 14,171, 14,187,14,111
5 out of 6 tests stared to have problems @ about 42GB. ???

I also tried a Safe frame size that i know works.
1880x854 24p @70MB/s and it to had a problem at about 42 GB
but it did not stop recording , it displayed frames " 94 expected k" @ 5.9MB/ss ?
that continued to increase to "112 expected K" @ 15MB/ss
until 64 GB then stop, i'm still in the process of checking the 64GB file , will report later.
Plus all the over lays information was incorrect,
it displayed 59.5 GB remaining, when i just finish
14,000 Frames ? Time for recording displayed 21:12 Min. ?
I though it was a temperature issue but it never got over 65 degrees "C"
i would think that the 32 GB Card will not suffer from this but the 64 GB Card
may have a problem at lest on the Lexar 1000x 64GB card :(

On all of the tests except the 1880x854(70MB/s), the write speed to card was
no more then 75MB/s

I would recommend people Test your 64 GB Card and see if you truly
can record a Full card, even at smaller resolution.
I did this test on both june 27, 29 builts same problem with both.

Has anyone Done a 64 GB continuous Full card Record ??   
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 06, 2013, 07:06:51 AM
Hi All  :)
Just Got My New 64 GB Lexar 1000x Card today so i tested with A_D_ June 29 & 27 Hack built
I did 6 tries at full 64GB card record.

After about 3 Hours of testing, i have found that at 42 GB there is a problem writing to card.
I was going after a full stable Card record of 64 GBs .
1856x1004 @ 24p or 23.976p it was continuous until i hit the 42 GB barrier , at that point
It when from "continuous Recording" with very little buffering to heavy buffer  "expected 77" @ 2.8MB/ss ?
Then stop recording @ 14,921 frames , 12,568, 9122, 14,171, 14,187,14,111
5 out of 6 tests stared to have problems @ about 42GB. ???

I also tried a Safe frame size that i know works.
1880x854 24p @70MB/s and it to had a problem at about 42 GB
but it did not stop recording , it displayed frames " 94 expected k" @ 5.9MB/ss ?
that continued to increase to "112 expected K" @ 15MB/ss
until 64 GB then stop, i'm still in the process of checking the 64GB file , will report later.
Plus all the over lays information was incorrect,
it displayed 59.5 GB remaining, when i just finish
14,000 Frames ? Time for recording displayed 21:12 Min. ?
I though it was a temperature issue but it never got over 65 degrees "C"
i would think that the 32 GB Card will not suffer from this but the 64 GB Card
may have a problem at lest on the Lexar 1000x 64GB card :(

I would recommend people Test your 64 GB Card and see if you truly
can record a Full card, even at smaller resolution.
I did this test on both june 27, 29 builts same problem with both.

Has anyone Done a 64 GB continuous Full card Record ??   
 

is your auto power off set to=OFF ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 06, 2013, 07:14:48 AM
Yes, Auto power is set to "off"
i also had my AC adapter on the Camera

If any one can record full 64 GB card you will see About 28,000 Fames

Edit: i did try a 500 MB Warm up file to start before i did the continuous record.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 06, 2013, 07:30:43 AM
Yes, Auto power is set to "off"
i also had my AC adapter on the Camera

If any one can record full 64 GB card you will see About 28,000 Fames

On the 5D2 1872 x 936 is the highest res that I tested to be continuous. Even if it would initially say to be "continuous ok" in higher resolutions, later on it will change.

For 16:9 AR its 1728 x 972. For now that's it, even with fast cards.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 06, 2013, 07:54:48 AM
On the 5D2 1872 x 936 is the highest res that I tested to be continuous. Even if it would initially say to be "continuous ok" in higher resolutions, later on it will change.

For 16:9 AR its 1728 x 972. For now that's it, even with fast cards.

Ok,
my camera never when off "continuous ok" it always said "continuous ok"
But i understand what you are saying,  :)
i have always had better numbers then what i have read in this forum.
i will try the 1728x972 AR and see if this problems is still there.

But in the Short term i can record 1856x1003 for 14,000 frame ! that's 9.7 Mins  ;D

Update:
I just check the DNG's from the 64 GB full card record @ 1880x854 24p, 22,571 frames
Frame over ride on, small hack on , Photo small jpeg , ETTR = Off,
and i had the last 3 Images are corrupt, pink garbage frames
So i call that success ! with 22,568 Good frames 15.67 minutes on lexar 1000x 64GB card
If only i can get 1856x1003 to do 64 GBs (max is 42GB)
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 06, 2013, 01:50:00 PM
Ok,
my camera never when off "continuous ok" it always said "continuous ok"
But i understand what you are saying,  :)
i have always had better numbers then what i have read in this forum.
i will try the 1728x972 AR and see if this problems is still there.

But in the Short term i can record 1856x1003 for 14,000 frame ! that's 9.7 Mins  ;D

Update:
I just check the DNG's from the 64 GB full card record @ 1880x854 24p, 22,571 frames
Frame over ride on, small hack on , Photo small jpeg , ETTR = Off,
and i had the last 3 Images are corrupt, pink garbage frames
So i call that success ! with 22,568 Good frames 15.67 minutes on lexar 1000x 64GB card
If only i can get 1856x1003 to do 64 GBs (max is 42GB)

Do I have this process theory right or wrong, Because of the line skipping process from the DiGiC chip we have been shorted 266 continuous pixel for every frame 40 from the 1920 width and 226 from the height. I'm sure I might have something wrong, I was just wondering what was your opinion on 1880x854 for the Mark II vs 1920x1080 for the Mark II?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 06, 2013, 06:28:57 PM

Has anyone Done a 64 GB continuous Full card Record ??   
 

I just filled my 64GB Komputerbay and speed dropped from 68 MB/s continuous to 2.1Mb/s 110 expected at the 42 GB point. The buffer stayed the same at barely a bar. 1856 x 742 26531 frames. All I can offer is the 42GB point is around the time the tenth file is written?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mageye on July 06, 2013, 06:35:25 PM
I have done a full card record on the 32Gb Komputerbay 1000x

I know it's not reallly going to help you much but I didn't have any problems with that; apart from it was never able to write the file footer (because it filled the card) so I had to patch it. But it did indeed work. :-\
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 06, 2013, 08:17:45 PM
I just filled my 64GB Komputerbay and speed dropped from 68 MB/s continuous to 2.1Mb/s 110 expected at the 42 GB point. The buffer stayed the same at barely a bar. 1856 x 742 26531 frames. All I can offer is the 42GB point is around the time the tenth file is written?
Hey Thanks i though i was the only 1  :)
i was wondering if you have tried  1856x1003 24 with you 64GB Komputerbay?
How many frames  can you get ?
Best i can get is 14,921 with ETTR=Off
So 42 GB is a Barrier for 64 GB card with larger frame size.

Can only one explain?  "2.1Mb/s 110 expected at the 42 GB point"
and it always happen @ "42GB" evey time
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 06, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
Do I have this process theory right or wrong, Because of the line skipping process from the DiGiC chip we have been shorted 266 continuous pixel for every frame 40 from the 1920 width and 226 from the height. I'm sure I might have something wrong, I was just wondering what was your opinion on 1880x854 for the Mark II vs 1920x1080 for the Mark II?

 :)
On the 5D2 the Max-with from the sensor is 1880
Canon upscale the image to 1920 for h264 with software.
It really depends on what your Project calls for.
Being that the image is very scale able meaning , re-framing, punching-in.
I like to use Max amount of the sensor then crop out sides .
the other reason i like it is because of the reduce height for a more Film look & feel !

It also easier to Write to the card @ 68.5 MB/s
That's at lest in my case, I think if with can keep frame data close to the best Hexadecimal 
it should write quicker, but i'm Not a programmer so that a guess.

But with 1856x1003 it very close to HD @ 1:85.1 AR
that would be the ticket, there again re-framing etc...
I will settle for 1856x1003 for  HD Work & for Documentary
I would use 1880x854 or even 1880x940 if you can do it.

Stop thinking about line skipping and all the stuff, you will always have problems
with that line skipping for panning etc..
But think of you camera as a "Film camera" to capture Positive Film Stock (but More)
It's Not a Video Camera, because with are capturing Frames like "true Film" Stock
I personally turn off everything on the camera & use manual focus,
use proper exposing Technics, "Use Meter on camera" i don't use the "ETTR" function.
but i have a Variable ND and  Stop it up or down for scene.         

 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 06, 2013, 10:16:45 PM
Could someone please explain clearly please how to join a split files on a mac please? been stuck over an hour now and getting no where :(

i have a .RAW and a .R00, iv seen command's on here but it doesn't say how to actually do it, iv tired draggin in the files to terminal and the folder that they are in and keep getting message "No directory found"

Cheers,
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 06, 2013, 10:29:31 PM
Could someone please explain clearly please how to join a split files on a mac please? been stuck over an hour now and getting no where :(

i have a .RAW and a .R00, iv seen command's on here but it doesn't say how to actually do it, iv tired draggin in the files to terminal and the folder that they are in and keep getting message "No directory found"

Cheers,

Post processing for mac links:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 06, 2013, 10:36:40 PM
Post processing for mac links:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0

Cheers dude, RAW2DNG wont let me add the .R00 or .RAW still, get an error every time, i love RAW2DNG, but the terminal thing is a brain killer, would love to know how to merge them using terminal, not so keen on RAWmagic.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ThibaudS on July 06, 2013, 10:41:51 PM
A quick compare :


Hope is useful !

Config : 5D mark II - 24-105mm - Komputerbay x1000 128Go & build 3ecd254bdba1
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: F.T.I. ARMY on July 06, 2013, 11:17:43 PM
AUDIO AUDIO AUDIO!!!!!! WHAT HAPPEN YOU THE AUDIO??? haha Please someone help me!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 06, 2013, 11:32:26 PM
AUDIO AUDIO AUDIO!!!!!! WHAT HAPPEN YOU THE AUDIO??? haha Please someone help me!

On the 5d2 it goes out of sync when used with raw video so its advised to record separately using external recorder.
BUT you can try your luck by switching it on VIA FPS over ride menu>Sound record>WAV  ,, thats where they hid it.

I have tested it extensively and it will give you low performance with raw video and produce unpredictable results in sync.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: F.T.I. ARMY on July 06, 2013, 11:34:26 PM
On the 5d2 it goes out of sync when used with raw video so its advised to record separately using external recorder.
BUT you can try your luck by switching it on VIA FPS over ride menu>Sound record>WAV  ,, thats where they hid it.

I have tested it extensively and it will give you low performance with raw video and produce unpredictable results in sync.


THANKS !
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 06, 2013, 11:58:50 PM
@ted ramasola

Could you write an example of what you would have to write in terminal to join the files please,

Iv seen various commands on here but they dont say what to put before or after like destination ect, iv tried RAWmagic and it works but i find them not as clean looking as RAW2DNG, and i like the ProRess Export with R2D, help would be amazing right now, i have a 6gb file that i cant get access too :(

Cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on July 07, 2013, 12:48:38 AM
Hi, just to report 5D mark II,  new 64gb 1000x LEXAR card and just 60MB/s. I was reporting my low recording speeds to devs and they pointed out the memory. Now I have 227 malloc memory and still no improvement in recording speed( it improved with 29.06 build and small hack ON but it is still 15MB/s behind others who reported speed around 75MB/s) . I also want to report  crashes that occur very often with monitor plugged in and okii usb controller (I have crash logs but I do not know how to report it properly because the crash seems to appear accidently but it is memory involved) It was reported by the other 5D mark II users also. Hoping for help from 1% and ALEX who implemented memory improvement. You Guys are doing just amazing job!!! You need some kind off people empower Oscar!!! .  Just a question... Is it possible that shutter count has something to do with the recording speed????
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 07, 2013, 02:19:13 AM
Hi, just to report 5D mark II,  new 64gb 1000x LEXAR card and just 60MB/s. I was reporting my low recording speeds to devs and they pointed out the memory. Now I have 227 malloc memory and still no improvement in recording speed( it improved with 29.06 build and small hack ON but it is still 15MB/s behind others who reported speed around 75MB/s) .

Hi  :)
 I just got my new Lexar 1000x 64 Gb card also, and there is slow write speeds by the Benchmark.
But when you record you should see about 70 to 75MB/s write speeds.
Have you done any recording tests ?
The page before i posted about my card & the fact i can get 1856x1003 24p for 10,000  frames
at a time, because at 42 GB the card stops recording.
No mater what frame size on 64GB card there is a issue at the 42GB Mark every time.
i get around this by recording only 10,000 frame or 30GB at a time to get my 14 Min. of Raw @1856x1003 24p
on the Lexar 1000x 64GB card
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on July 07, 2013, 03:07:35 AM
There is far from 42gb problem... The camera regardless of the settings: global draw OFF, manual lighting of live view, S picture size, etc... I saw it going crazy with stuff like monitor and OKII controller plugged in... And It is 60MB/s limited with 29.06 build regardless of settings of the camera... It is far from expected frames per second...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 07, 2013, 03:17:27 AM
:)
On the 5D2 the Max-with from the sensor is 1880
Canon upscale the image to 1920 for h264 with software.
It really depends on what your Project calls for.
Being that the image is very scale able meaning , re-framing, punching-in.
I like to use Max amount of the sensor then crop out sides .
the other reason i like it is because of the reduce height for a more Film look & feel !

It also easier to Write to the card @ 68.5 MB/s
That's at lest in my case, I think if with can keep frame data close to the best Hexadecimal 
it should write quicker, but i'm Not a programmer so that a guess.

But with 1856x1003 it very close to HD @ 1:85.1 AR
that would be the ticket, there again re-framing etc...
I will settle for 1856x1003 for  HD Work & for Documentary
I would use 1880x854 or even 1880x940 if you can do it.

Stop thinking about line skipping and all the stuff, you will always have problems
with that line skipping for panning etc..
But think of you camera as a "Film camera" to capture Positive Film Stock (but More)
It's Not a Video Camera, because with are capturing Frames like "true Film" Stock
I personally turn off everything on the camera & use manual focus,
use proper exposing Technics, "Use Meter on camera" i don't use the "ETTR" function.
but i have a Variable ND and  Stop it up or down for scene.         

I totally agree with your assessment, I film some quick shots of a creek behind my home area
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on July 07, 2013, 03:28:05 AM
I also Have Lexar 16gb 400x card, and it is limited with my camera to 45MB/s... !?!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 07, 2013, 04:08:50 AM
I also Have Lexar 16gb 400x card, and it is limited with my camera to 45MB/s... !?!
??? this puzzles me, for you should have no problems recording Raw.
I wounder, what are your setting ?
Maybe there is something no set right of over looked .

these are my setting : Canon Menu
photo=small jpeg
Auto power off=OFF
LCD Brightness=manual
Movie rec. size=1920x1080 24p

ML Raw record module from june29 from A_D_ Hack built (the one with the disclamer)
ETTR=Off
FPS override = set to exact 24
in the Raw Video tab
i set previews to Auto or Hacked
recording frame=White rect
Small hacks= On

I have notice that on my Lexar 1000x 64 GB card i had to Brake in the Card like a pair of shoes ;)
I did about 12 full card records  before it started to write at the proper speed ,
and the other thing that you may try is to set warmup card
or just write 200 frame at lower resolution then Start the Main record .
I hope that helps :)

edit:What is the Max Frame size you can record?
Don't be to concerned about the benchmark read write test,
It's the Frame size you need be concerned about.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 07, 2013, 04:55:19 AM
I also Have Lexar 16gb 400x card, and it is limited with my camera to 45MB/s... !?!

400x is too slow.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 07, 2013, 04:56:41 AM
@ted ramasola

Could you write an example of what you would have to write in terminal to join the files please,

Iv seen various commands on here but they dont say what to put before or after like destination ect, iv tried RAWmagic and it works but i find them not as clean looking as RAW2DNG, and i like the ProRess Export with R2D, help would be amazing right now, i have a 6gb file that i cant get access too :(

Cheers

I'm on PC so I use rawanizer or raw2cdng.

I suggest you post over at the POST PROCESS THREADS specific to MAC as the developers for the app check it often not here since this thread is mostly checked by raw_rec developers like a.d. 1% and a1ex.

I post my suggestions and bug reports over at the RAWANIZER or CDNG threads and the devs themselves reply.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Rolfe Klement on July 07, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
Shot some very quick tests of my class with the 5D Mk2 (last 2 shots) and the 50D (first shot) -  under horrific cheap fluoro lights. And it looks amazing - even before dodgy web compression. Shot 2 was a lens test to check focus while crash zooming...

Also learnt 2 good lessons - never have a battery less than 50% - weird flicker happens - even under tungsten bulbs. Lesson 2 - if the lcd viewfinder flickers when recording then the footage will flicker (even if your light flicker meter tell you otherwise) -  Shot 1 has a very slight flicker and it gets sorted in shot 2 and 3 -  by tweaking the exact FPS.

Amazing thank you to all the dev team!


thanks
R
creativesunshine
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on July 07, 2013, 12:19:16 PM
Using 6/29 build and an external monitor, crashed every time when trying to write with the external monitor attached. Attached crash logs for review

http://sdrv.ms/17XKStJ
Hmm, didn't try it again, since I got THIS (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6432.0) problem with my Lilliput 667, too.
There's actually, obviously not much effort done to solve this problem - or I just can't see the solution.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 07, 2013, 12:43:08 PM
I'm on PC so I use rawanizer or raw2cdng.

I suggest you post over at the POST PROCESS THREADS specific to MAC as the developers for the app check it often not here since this thread is mostly checked by raw_rec developers like a.d. 1% and a1ex.

I post my suggestions and bug reports over at the RAWANIZER or CDNG threads and the devs themselves reply.

No problem dude, ill be honest n say i posted here as it gets alot of attention where as other post's dont but will give it a shot as i still haven't solved it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on July 07, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
??? this puzzles me, for you should have no problems recording Raw.
I wounder, what are your setting ?
Maybe there is something no set right of over looked .

these are my setting : Canon Menu
photo=small jpeg
Auto power off=OFF
LCD Brightness=manual
Movie rec. size=1920x1080 24p

ML Raw record module from june29 from A_D_ Hack built (the one with the disclamer)
ETTR=Off
FPS override = set to exact 24
in the Raw Video tab
i set previews to Auto or Hacked
recording frame=White rect
Small hacks= On

I have notice that on my Lexar 1000x 64 GB card i had to Brake in the Card like a pair of shoes ;)
I did about 12 full card records  before it started to write at the proper speed ,
and the other thing that you may try is to set warmup card
or just write 200 frame at lower resolution then Start the Main record .
I hope that helps :)

edit:What is the Max Frame size you can record?
Don't be to concerned about the benchmark read write test,
It's the Frame size you need be concerned about.

Thanks for Your input. Max frame size is around 1880x800 as it records with speed close to 60MB/s.
What is more intresting regarding settings, I can turn on stuff like global draw, size of pictures to L, etc.(all the memory consuming settings) and the writing speed is also 59-60MB/s?!?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 07, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
So should I download the official ML 2.3 release and then install the modules and auto exec from the zip in the bitbucket link? Or should I download a nightly version of ML?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 07, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
I totally agree with your assessment, I film some quick shots of a creek behind my home area
Thanks  :D
Tried to watch you video but, said its Private  :(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 07, 2013, 08:56:34 PM
hmmmm. I turned on separate wav recording in the fps override menu, however no sound files are being recorded. Anyone have any idea what is going on? Also in the audio menu in ML it says i have sound disabled in the canon menus even though it is not.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on July 07, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
Sound is not recorded with forced FPS.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 07, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
Sound is not recorded with forced FPS.

even with forced fps off it still doesnt make a file
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight#1 on July 07, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
Thanks  :D
Tried to watch you video but, said its Private  :(

Sorry About that, I Fix it
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 07, 2013, 11:25:43 PM
even with forced fps off it still doesnt make a file

A1ex did mention here that due to its being out of sync that sound recording is removed. So I guess that switch no longer works.
that's probably the reason why thy "hid" that option deep in FPS sub menu.

You can read the tip when you select it that say, SOUND GOES OUT OF SYNC. SO IT HAS TO BE RECORDED SEPARATELY.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 08, 2013, 12:38:17 AM
as far as im aware it only records a 5second tone, this to allow a separate recording device to sync later to the footage.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 08, 2013, 01:28:12 AM
as far as im aware it only records a 5second tone, this to allow a separate recording device to sync later to the footage.

It doesn't "record" the tone/beep. It just makes a sound of a tone/beep about 2-3 frames after the recording starts. There is no recorded tone file to find in the card.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 08, 2013, 06:18:46 AM
The sound recording option from FPS submenu is for H.264...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 08, 2013, 07:22:25 AM
The sound recording option from FPS submenu is for H.264...

ahhh okay. thanks alex! so no sound recording during raw then?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 08, 2013, 07:28:24 AM
ahhh okay. thanks alex! so no sound recording during raw then?

There should be in the Raw menu. Well at least on the 6D it is...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 08, 2013, 07:46:43 AM
I prefer to enable only things that are working well ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 08, 2013, 08:00:18 AM
I prefer to enable only things that are working well ;)

Have any idea why its not working well on the 5D2? Will there be a fix?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 08, 2013, 08:17:57 AM
There are no cameras where it's working well (it goes out of sync in unpredictable ways). It's very hard to fix, we need to understand better the ASIF DMA.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 08, 2013, 08:56:15 AM
There are no cameras where it's working well (it goes out of sync in unpredictable ways). It's very hard to fix, we need to understand better the ASIF DMA.

Wait a second, we're talking about the audio sync beep right? On the 6D it seems to be working fine. It's always consistent and turns on right as it starts filming.

Edit: Oh I see recording sound with raw.

Well who cares about onboard right? External audio solutions are where its at.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 08, 2013, 08:57:42 AM
Audio sync beep is fine (+/- a few frames). Wav recording is not. There are a lot of reports that it goes out of sync.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on July 08, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
Not at all.... check the change log, always work going on on Magic Lantern that you dont see  ;)

Where is that change log?!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 08, 2013, 12:29:37 PM
Where is that change log?!!

Here you go dude

http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/ChangeLog.txt
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 08, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
to sync sound i use an external Zoom Mic and an iPhone and my 5Dmkii of course :)

I start my camera phone and mic and press record, i shoot on the canon.... later i match the audio from mic with the iphone using plural eyes, this gives me a clean sync with the camera, and sync the footage to the canon... long way round but the clip from the iphone lets me visually see and help me better, say like clapping hands or clicking a finger.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Bradley on July 08, 2013, 04:01:37 PM
What frames exactly are recorded while the tone is playing?

Would it be possible to put a blue dot on the video frames while the tone is playing to help sync? Some sort of video cue as to when the tone is playing.

Crazy idea, how about a tone that plays in morse code what number video it is. Kinda like how a clapper has scene/take numbers, just to give more information to help figure out what audio goes with what clip.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: johnha on July 08, 2013, 08:29:33 PM
Hey guys, has anyone tested the HDMI monitoring for the Mark II? I see on the Mark 3 thread that the HDMI monitor mostly works.

But has anyone tried taping with the HDMI connected to an external monitor for the Mark 2? I've been shooting with the June 29th building and it's been great. I may want to shoot a job where I'll be renting a monitor, so I'm curious if anyone's tried that setup with the Mark 2.

Big thank you to the Magic Lantern team! Wonderful work here, guys. This is incredible.

-John
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 08, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
What frames exactly are recorded while the tone is playing?

Would it be possible to put a blue dot on the video frames while the tone is playing to help sync? Some sort of video cue as to when the tone is playing.

Crazy idea, how about a tone that plays in morse code what number video it is. Kinda like how a clapper has scene/take numbers, just to give more information to help figure out what audio goes with what clip.

Its not precise but its around 2-3 frames of video before the ramp of the tone waveform on your wav file begins. When I say wav file, its the one from your external audio recorder.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 08, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
Hey guys, has anyone tested the HDMI monitoring for the Mark II? I see on the Mark 3 thread that the HDMI monitor mostly works.

But has anyone tried taping with the HDMI connected to an external monitor for the Mark 2? I've been shooting with the June 29th building and it's been great. I may want to shoot a job where I'll be renting a monitor, so I'm curious if anyone's tried that setup with the Mark 2.

Big thank you to the Magic Lantern team! Wonderful work here, guys. This is incredible.

-John

Yes it works on 5d2.

1. Its better than h264 since it does not down sample to 480 when you record but stays in HD.

2. You have to turn off the rectangular crop marks by choosing ML grayscale in raw video>preview since the crop marks are off centered on your external monitor. You will have to mask the monitor for your aspect ratios the old fashioned way, also do not playback or review recorded footage with external monito as it will lock up your camera. You'll have to remove battery to trocover.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 09, 2013, 12:04:21 AM
I posted this earlier but got no response, is there some reason why the maximum vertical resolution in crop mode is only 1076? I can record up to 1250 in regular mode. Thanks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on July 09, 2013, 12:54:09 AM
Not getting any EXIF data on 7-7 build with Raw2DNG Batchelor ver 2.3... Goes for both x5 and normal RAW video. Anyone?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on July 09, 2013, 03:29:46 AM
Here you go dude

http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/ChangeLog.txt

Thanks a lot Doyle4 !
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: soulshooter on July 09, 2013, 08:00:51 AM
Been running some tests at 1880x1058 (actual resolution, at least in OSX FINDER: 1876x1054), extracted cDNG via RawMagic and transcoded and uprezzed to 1920x1080 through Resolve Lite.

I just realized however that x5 CROP MODE records as 29.97 instead of 23.976. Is there currently a setting that allows me to shoot in crop mode 23.976?

Crop mode is great by the way. Need to make sure it's extra stable but that additional reach and acquired detail is awesome.

I'm using Sandisk 32GB 90MB/s CF cards by the way, although it's labeled UDMA 7 and can average about 10secs per clip but for now that length is fine for testing. I can only get continuous recording at 2.50:1 aspect at 1880 wide.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 09, 2013, 08:25:01 AM
Been running some tests at 1880x1058 (actual resolution, at least in OSX FINDER: 1876x1054), extracted cDNG via RawMagic and transcoded and uprezzed to 1920x1080 through Resolve Lite.

I just realized however that x5 CROP MODE records as 29.97 instead of 23.976. Is there currently a setting that allows me to shoot in crop mode 23.976?


try FPS over ride.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 09, 2013, 11:18:07 AM
Could I make the case for the return of the old buffer graphic? It may have been a little primitive but it was very easy to see at a glance how much you had left. The new graphic, though actually giving more info, is harder/slower to read and I find it quite distracting during a shot.

In fact, with the 'expected frames' pretty accurate, do we need a buffer graphic at all? If this is just a diagnostic tool for developers that will be disabled on the stable distributions, could we perhaps have an off switch now?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 09, 2013, 01:50:33 PM
Here's a little film I've been working on, using Magic Lantern RAW on 5D2 (and a little 5D3) and a load of timelapse.

Thanks to everyone on here, especially a1ex and a.d. Without MLRAW it would have all been timelapse.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 09, 2013, 02:00:44 PM
Could I make the case for the return of the old buffer graphic? It may have been a little primitive but it was very easy to see at a glance how much you had left. The new graphic, though actually giving more info, is harder/slower to read and I find it quite distracting during a shot.

In fact, with the 'expected frames' pretty accurate, do we need a buffer graphic at all? If this is just a diagnostic tool for developers that will be disabled on the stable distributions, could we perhaps have an off switch now?

I know what you mean but the buffer graphic has helped me alot, its let me know when my cards about to stop and it prepares me to get ready to stop and start again :)

Super nice video too btw too
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 09, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
Here's a little film I've been working on, using Magic Lantern RAW on 5D2 (and a little 5D3) and a load of timelapse.

Thanks to everyone on here, especially a1ex and a.d. Without MLRAW it would have all been timelapse.


This video Kicks Ass I would like to know some of your setting like, for the TimeLapse what fps and iso setting gave you the most smooth presentation. Also what were your settings for some of those night scene, because there is no grain or hard color blending. I have a 5D 2, What parts did you use the 5D 3 for and why?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on July 09, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Yes it [external Monitor via HDMI] works on 5d2.

1. Its better than h264 since it does not down sample to 480 when you record but stays in HD.

2. You have to turn off the rectangular crop marks by choosing ML grayscale in raw video>preview since the crop marks are off centered on your external monitor. You will have to mask the monitor for your aspect ratios the old fashioned way, also do not playback or review recorded footage with external monito as it will lock up your camera. You'll have to remove battery to trocover.

To Point 1, I agree.

But not with the second point. The white frame is (in my case) nearly correct.
It's just moved a bit to the left (out of the monitor) and comes back in from the right. So only the left and right borders are wrong, but they would align with the monitor frame anyway, so I can confidently ignore them.
The upper and lover borders on the other hand are obviously important (since I record 2.35). Except a little discontinuaton in the line due to the shift, they match.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Euan on July 09, 2013, 11:59:12 PM
Here's a little film I've been working on, using Magic Lantern RAW on 5D2 (and a little 5D3) and a load of timelapse.

Thanks to everyone on here, especially a1ex and a.d. Without MLRAW it would have all been timelapse.


Lovely work and a fine soundtrack.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 10, 2013, 12:40:52 AM
Simple help required:
First off I just installed version 2.3 of ML. I then installed the newest June 29 build off of the bitbucket repository.

Everything works fine except 2 problems
1)when Im in live view and hit set to record, the first set starts recording h264. Then I hit the set button again. This time it stops h264 and starts RAW. Shouldnt ML disable h264?
2)I can't get the RAW video menu to highlight as if it's on. I'm in live view I don't know what could be the problem... Because of this I can't change the resolution or the aspect ratio.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 10, 2013, 12:42:01 AM
To Point 1, I agree.

But not with the second point. The white frame is (in my case) nearly correct.
It's just moved a bit to the left (out of the monitor) and comes back in from the right. So only the left and right borders are wrong, but they would align with the monitor frame anyway, so I can confidently ignore them.
The upper and lover borders on the other hand are obviously important (since I record 2.35). Except a little discontinuaton in the line due to the shift, they match.

Based on my monitor and with others the white rec is off centered to the left and also upwards so this CANNOT BE RELIED ON and also distracting. Both vertical and horizontal centering is off.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 10, 2013, 04:34:49 AM
so how do i get accurate framing for 5x crop on the mark ii?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 10, 2013, 04:47:38 AM
so how do i get accurate framing for 5x crop on the mark ii?

For now use the LCD on your 5d2 to get proper framing in 3x crop mode(5x magnify) and set preview to either ; auto or ML grayscale. I suggest using auto as its more convenient when you shift back to 1x mode.

added:

Also, while framing using auto is accurate, it is in grayscale and slightly pixelized and does not refresh in real time and this is so only when in preview/standby mode, upon start of recording the screen will revert to normal canon 5x magnification and real time refresh, AND the framing is slightly off.

So, with this handicap, I think this is useful only when the camera is locked down, and the subject does not move about.

You frame the subject first, then press record.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 10, 2013, 08:57:17 AM
For now use the LCD on your 5d2 to get proper framing in 3x crop mode(5x magnify) and set preview to either ; auto or ML grayscale. I suggest using auto as its more convenient when you shift back to 1x mode.

added:

Also, while framing using auto is accurate, it is in grayscale and slightly pixelized and does not refresh in real time and this is so only when in preview/standby mode, upon start of recording the screen will revert to normal canon 5x magnification and real time refresh, AND the framing is slightly off.

So, with this handicap, I think this is useful only when the camera is locked down, and the subject does not move about.

You frame the subject first, then press record.

okay, thought i was doing something wrong but thats just how it is for now. I was going to buy a blackmagic pocket cinema camera and rig it out with 16mm lenses but if the raw hack progresses enough i might just stick with the trusty old 5d=]
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 10, 2013, 09:21:10 AM
here's the latest thing I've shot. Testing record time/resolve workflow/noise reduction/stabilization etc.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: maspack on July 10, 2013, 09:56:31 AM
Is there a way to turn those info off and get a clean screen on raw recording?  It's hard to frame when covered with the text  :-\
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F2eqf7te.jpg&hash=fa7168bc0f4304790dddd26ef3aca280)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 10, 2013, 10:24:44 AM
@Euan - Thanks man

@dariSSight - The frame rates in this vary from sync speed down to a shot every 30 secs, and ISOs 100 up to 3200. Horses for courses really. Night scenes were often captured at 3200 ISO, and little or no noise reduction was used in those shots as it created artefacts. But they were captured at least 4K, so noise is partially averaged out at 1080p. And onlining uncompressed 12 bit has kept banding at bay until the very end. The 5D3 was hired in as a spare body for a commission, so I thought I'd give it a go.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sm105 on July 10, 2013, 05:00:06 PM
What is the maximum resolution in crop mode for the 5D2? I've read that it's 2144x1076, but is it possible to go any higher when using FPS override at 1 fps (e.g. for time lapse)?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 10, 2013, 05:13:43 PM
FYI, FPS override changes the number of images per second, not the resolution.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 10, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
That would be an incredible feature if it could be done? Wouldn't that also give you finer control over exposure time, and potentially smoother ramping. Not to mention giving the mechanical shutter a rest.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on July 10, 2013, 05:26:07 PM
There is zero flicker with current ramping method if you use a good raw processor.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: sm105 on July 10, 2013, 05:26:33 PM
FYI, FPS override changes the number of images per second, not the resolution.

Yes, I understand. I guess my last post wasn't clear. By shooting at a lower FPS, I meant that the write speed should not be an issue.

I think I found an answer here (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6451.0). It looks like 2144x1076 may be the maximum live view resolution on the 5D2, whereas the 5D3 is capable of 3.5K.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 10, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
I've always found that third stop jumps need more than just exposure adjustment. It is possible so long as there's no clipping, one big advantage of ETTR is fine control over this, but I have to tweak the contrast too to get a unable shot, and I've not found anything that can automate this.

If we can capture 2144x1076 25 times a sec, and we can dolly this around with digital dolly, then in theory it would be possible to capture the whole raw frame at speeds like 1fps, but with some very odd shutter effects. If you could minimise these and combine it with fine exposure control and ETTR, you'd have a unique tool for timelapse. The 5D3 might be even more impressive!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: audyerel on July 10, 2013, 06:13:39 PM
I'm waiting everyday for new updates!
The last one performed superbly, 1880x800p25 continuous with Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s CF.
GR8T WORK guys!!

Does anyone know how to create that "RED" camera look with this 5DmkII RAW files? I tried so many times to achieve the 'smooth gradation Dynamic Range, bronze-y skin tones' to no pleasing result.. Must be me, lacking on the coloring technique :(

The dynamic range should be on par with RED doesn't it, is there other factor that makes it looks special such as resolution, etc?
I believe this camera could cure zombies!

[/vimeo]
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on July 10, 2013, 07:25:58 PM
Quote
If we can capture 2144x1076 25 times a sec, and we can dolly this around with digital dolly, then in theory it would be possible to capture the whole raw frame at speeds like 1fps, but with some very odd shutter effects. If you could minimise these and combine it with fine exposure control and ETTR, you'd have a unique tool for timelapse.

Yeah. Or you could record at full 21 MP resolution and dolly in the NLE. Probably easier :-)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 11, 2013, 02:07:53 AM
Umm... Why, even in crop mode, can't we choose over 1076 for vertical resolution? Even in 1x mode it should be able to use 1248.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 11, 2013, 02:11:44 AM
here's the latest thing I've shot. Testing record time/resolve workflow/noise reduction/stabilization etc.

I don't understand, the hills are actually on fire in Las Vegas? Or is it just the sun's light illuminating the dust? Also what resolution was this shot in?"
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 11, 2013, 02:16:17 AM
I don't understand, the hills are actually on fire in Las Vegas? Or is it just the sun's light illuminating the dust?
no they're on fire. might go shoot something closer to it for a feature today.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 11, 2013, 02:24:22 AM
no they're on fire. might go shoot something closer to it for a feature today.

How is dirt flammable?! What an amazing thing to see!

I wish I was at Vegas to see such a thing!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 11, 2013, 02:32:04 AM
Here's a little film I've been working on, using Magic Lantern RAW on 5D2 (and a little 5D3) and a load of timelapse.

Thanks to everyone on here, especially a1ex and a.d. Without MLRAW it would have all been timelapse.


What slider did you use for the time lapses? Is that what its called? I'm specifically interested what the tool was in the star time-lapse.

To the developers:
Why, in the built in file browser can I see hidden files such as a trash folder? On ML on the 6D this doesn't occur.

Using latest version.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: gentlemanbroncos on July 11, 2013, 08:18:15 AM
Hey guys, forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this, but I really am not sure where I would go to inquire about this subject. I cant seem to process any of my raw files over 4 gigs. Any help on this matter, or directing me on where I'd find the answer to this issue would be awesome. Thanks so much, this community is amazing!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on July 11, 2013, 10:57:08 AM
Hey guys, forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this, but I really am not sure where I would go to inquire about this subject. I cant seem to process any of my raw files over 4 gigs. Any help on this matter, or directing me on where I'd find the answer to this issue would be awesome. Thanks so much, this community is amazing!
Try raw2cdng
Works flawlessly for me.

I'm waiting everyday for new updates!
The last one performed superbly, 1880x800p25 continuous with Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s CF.
GR8T WORK guys!!

Does anyone know how to create that "RED" camera look with this 5DmkII RAW files? I tried so many times to achieve the 'smooth gradation Dynamic Range, bronze-y skin tones' to no pleasing result.. Must be me, lacking on the coloring technique :(

The dynamic range should be on par with RED doesn't it, is there other factor that makes it looks special such as resolution, etc?
I believe this camera could cure zombies!

[/vimeo]

Use resolve.
And start with redlog film or bmd film.
Properly white balance as well as the rgb parades. Once color correction is done, now the grading begins.Adjust contrast using the waveform monitor.
Use nodes to single out all skin and adjust grading separately.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: loconetter on July 11, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Sorry for the Newbie post, been through and through, but maybe have missed this.

1.  Are new builds for the 5d2 no longer being posted here?  29 Jun seems to be the last.
2. If so, should we be using the regular Nightly builds (for raw rec on 5d2)?

Having a great time with ML and kudos to those who have been doing the work and supporting these forums.

Nelson
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 11, 2013, 08:16:46 PM
Sorry for the Newbie post, been through and through, but maybe have missed this.

1.  Are new builds for the 5d2 no longer being posted here?  29 Jun seems to be the last.
2. If so, should we be using the regular Nightly builds (for raw rec on 5d2)?

Having a great time with ML and kudos to those who have been doing the work and supporting these forums.

Nelson

1. That would depend on a.d. if he will still include his own personal flavors to the nightly builds, I personally still use his jun 29 compile due to the inclusion of black border frame and less obtrusive buffer display when recording.

2. The nightly builds contain the "official" rep that is recommended for use by a1ex, it also contains the raw-rec modules now, so you can use it now.

I've tested it and its ok, though as I've mentioned I still use a.d. jun 29 build due to my personal preference for a less obtrusive display.
I do hope a less obtrusive display will be implemented in the official repo, but I think since we are still in testing phase some displays are still necessary for debugging/troubleshooting purposes.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on July 11, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
a.d.'s builds can be found here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6362.msg50149#msg50149

latest one is 7/11
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 11, 2013, 08:53:13 PM
Sorry for the Newbie post, been through and through, but maybe have missed this.

1.  Are new builds for the 5d2 no longer being posted here?  29 Jun seems to be the last.
2. If so, should we be using the regular Nightly builds (for raw rec on 5d2)?

Having a great time with ML and kudos to those who have been doing the work and supporting these forums.

Nelson

Theres been an update 25mins ago, were now onto July 11th Build :) gunna check this one out now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 11, 2013, 09:03:22 PM
I like the Hold in the Joystick to get to ML, never noticed this unless it's not new?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: loconetter on July 11, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Thanks, am trying the new AD build now.

Cheers!

Nelson
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 11, 2013, 10:18:16 PM
a.d.'s builds can be found here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6362.msg50149#msg50149

latest one is 7/11

thank you for the link!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 11, 2013, 10:44:44 PM
It seems to have given me 60 more frames. From 179 to 240 or so. Maybe it's because I just enabled the larger buffer hack by switching picture quality to jpeg.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 11, 2013, 11:43:41 PM
@a.d. Cheers for the switch to turn the buffer display off. I couldn't stop watching it. Kept cocking me shots up.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 12, 2013, 12:00:17 AM
thank you for the link!

What does Raw Settings refresh in zoom mode do different then before?
The Refactoring  DxO dynamic range sounds like an option other then using HDR Video, am I correct?

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: johnha on July 12, 2013, 06:05:46 AM
Here's something I shot for a client on Monday. After that experience, I realize the post-production to use raw for something short like this is about an additional day.

This was mostly shot at ISO1600 and 3200. The dog in sun was shot at ISO100. June 29th build.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on July 12, 2013, 09:42:52 AM
@nightly builds
If you guy focus on RAW video, it's not bad to understand the changelog. The Code of the RAW don't change since the last 2 weeks until yesterday.

@andyshon
you are welcome.

@dariSSight
... for example refresh from 5x to 10x
Refractoring ... the function is the same, but for the future implementation ... ISO in RAW.

@johnha
I like it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: estondiaz on July 13, 2013, 02:00:11 AM
What is the realistic projection of resolution for the mark ii and iii? Will 3.5k/4k be possible? When? I know I'm asking a lot. But, it will affect a very present purchase on production decision. Great work Guys! Images and coding are beautiful!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: F.T.I. ARMY on July 13, 2013, 02:02:33 AM
I must have missed something. The newest RAw2Dng is no longer giving me a Apple prores 4444. Any one know why?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: F.T.I. ARMY on July 13, 2013, 02:11:52 AM
I take that back. It will not Give me a prores at 1880x 752 694 frames. any answers? thanks?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 13, 2013, 03:33:41 AM
Yeah actually the newest version gives me 14 more frames from 179 to 193.

Using a shitty lexar 300x.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 13, 2013, 04:53:47 AM
Hello All  :)
Just finish test the July 11 built
And i'm puzzled  ??? i have slow write speed write this
built then the june 29 built !

July-11 Built
1856x1003 23.976p 14,306 Frames @ 75.0MB/s  :)
1856x1003 24 p - 6989,7511, 11,784 frames @ 74.9MB/s :(

June-29 Built
1856x1003 23.976p 14,228 @ 75MB/s
1856x1003 24 p       14,160 @ 74.9 MB/s
All tests on Lexar 1000x 64 Card

So i will go back to the June 29 Built
it look like it has better stable speeds @ 1856x1003 at least for 24p
 :)

Update: July-11Built -It looks like the problem is with the 64GB Card.
i just tried 1856x1003 in  24p & 23.976p on Lexar 1000x 32GB card
i Get a full card record -9800 frames @ 74.8MB/s = 32GB
i wounder if theirs  a problem writing to larger capacity Cards
at bigger frame sizes ?
at the 42 GB mark i always have problems.
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 13, 2013, 07:28:38 AM
So stay on the newest build?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 13, 2013, 08:53:17 AM
I take that back. It will not Give me a prores at 1880x 752 694 frames. any answers? thanks?

If you are using RAW2DNG on mac, open up the program, then you need to DRAG RAW2DNG from Applications to RAW2DNG drop it in and it will ask you if you would like ProRes output. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 13, 2013, 08:56:35 AM
What is the realistic projection of resolution for the mark ii and iii? Will 3.5k/4k be possible? When? I know I'm asking a lot. But, it will affect a very present purchase on production decision. Great work Guys! Images and coding are beautiful!

Please do not ask this...

Its been covered MANY of times..... simple answer no, you are lucky that someone has replied to this.

When 4K is possible... and i say When, Magic Lantern will also allow you to connect a nikon lens without an adapter...cool huh? :P

As you are new... go here... http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6518.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: estondiaz on July 13, 2013, 04:18:12 PM
Cool. Read that whole other forum. Helps understanding a bit from the coding side.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on July 13, 2013, 11:12:32 PM

shot with the 29th June build in 1728X972 with a Lexar 1000X 32gb Card and a Sandisk Extreme 600X 16gb Card. I could shoot continuous on the Lexar and got 310 - 340 frames on the Sandisk - long enough for a quick shot and I actually liked the limitation because it forces you to think fast.

Sound is H4N/sennheisser me66 + G3 and lav.

I really like the interface of Adobe Camera Raw in After Effects and the import is lighting fast. I resized to 1920X1080 and exported to Cineform .avis to edit in Premiere. Once the AE Comps were set up - 1 for each shot - it was easy to re-import the DNG's if I wanted to make an adjustment - then just export again.

As for storage, I can see it being an issue on larger projects - especially if there is the requirement of storing the raw files.

Question: should you save the DNGs and delete the .RAW files which come directly off the card? I don't see any point holding on to them once converted.

I tried converting directly to Cineform with Rawanizer and found the files just no fun to work with - ie. not like the easy intuitive ACR interface. I also felt like the Cineform files lost a whole lot of image depth in comparison to the DNG's - is that just my inability to use other AE tools for image editing?

Anyway, once the sharpness, highlights, shadows, contrast etc. are set I don't see any reason not to down-convert most footage to Cineform to edit and then to store as most of the major changes which would be effected by bit depth have already been done. Of course on a commercial project it would be important to save your raw data for a while.

Anyway, I don't see myself shooting much in the future which isn't raw.

Now I want a mark iii BUT I have to say another huge thank you to the ML crew for making my 5d mark ii into a much, much more powerful tool.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on July 13, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
double post. Sorry.

I did just receive a Komputerbay 64gb card today. The benchmark test looks good.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: F.T.I. ARMY on July 14, 2013, 12:23:38 AM
I get his when im trying to get a Prores out of the raw2dng

Done. To convert to jpg, you can try: ufraw-batch --out-type=jpg *.dng To get a mjpeg video: ffmpeg -i %6d.jpg -vcodec mjpeg -qscale 1 video.avi


why wont it give me a prores file? it will on the 1280x720 but not on the 1880x752?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 14, 2013, 12:46:33 AM

shot with the 29th June build in 1728X972 with a Lexar 1000X 32gb Card and a Sandisk Extreme 600X 16gb Card. I could shoot continuous on the Lexar and got 310 - 340 frames on the Sandisk - long enough for a quick shot and I actually liked the limitation because it forces you to think fast.

Sound is H4N/sennheisser me66 + G3 and lav.

I really like the interface of Adobe Camera Raw in After Effects and the import is lighting fast. I resized to 1920X1080 and exported to Cineform .avis to edit in Premiere. Once the AE Comps were set up - 1 for each shot - it was easy to re-import the DNG's if I wanted to make an adjustment - then just export again.

As for storage, I can see it being an issue on larger projects - especially if there is the requirement of storing the raw files.

Question: should you save the DNGs and delete the .RAW files which come directly off the card? I don't see any point holding on to them once converted.

I tried converting directly to Cineform with Rawanizer and found the files just no fun to work with - ie. not like the easy intuitive ACR interface. I also felt like the Cineform files lost a whole lot of image depth in comparison to the DNG's - is that just my inability to use other AE tools for image editing?

Anyway, once the sharpness, highlights, shadows, contrast etc. are set I don't see any reason not to down-convert most footage to Cineform to edit and then to store as most of the major changes which would be effected by bit depth have already been done. Of course on a commercial project it would be important to save your raw data for a while.

Anyway, I don't see myself shooting much in the future which isn't raw.

Now I want a mark iii BUT I have to say another huge thank you to the ML crew for making my 5d mark ii into a much, much more powerful tool.

You're getting bad frames with that lexar. You should be continuous @ 1880x800+
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 14, 2013, 01:01:09 AM
Question: should you save the DNGs and delete the .RAW files which come directly off the card? I don't see any point holding on to them once converted.

It depends on your needs, but any footage that is valuable to you is more valuable in its original form. I got an answer to a related question here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6731.msg56002#msg56002

I can't speak to Cineform, but Resolve round tripping is working great for me. I was very comfy with AE / PP / SG before RAW, but found the Adobe workflow to be sluggish and counterproductive in that I was faced with grading decisions / opportunities before I'd cut a single shot and if I really need ACR, I can always introduce that after I have gotten a feel for the edit (quickly) using Resolve proxies. I also like the limitations of the higher ratios and the way they foster discipline. If I know I will only need a certain length shot, I select a ratio that can just about give me that knowing I will crop to a lower ratio anyway, whilst having room to later reframe. Liked your vid, btw.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 14, 2013, 01:07:23 AM
You're getting bad frames with that lexar. You should be continuous @ 1880x800+

He's shooting in 16:9 which is limited to 1728 for continuous right now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 14, 2013, 05:44:31 AM
He's shooting in 16:9 which is limited to 1728 for continuous right now.
how? Just a few posts above ours a guy @1856x1003 gets "continuous ok" until the 42gb mark, a glitch.

1880x800 is only 60.1mb/s. We with top end cards we get 75mb/s. 1880x1003 is 76.4 mb/s ...

Edit: nvm I get it he's filming 16:9 only. My bad.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on July 14, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
@xNiNELLiVES You're right - I could shoot higher res and then upscale inside a 16:9 project which would also give a little room for re-framing. Between filling up the 32gb lexar and offloading the files I would fill up a 16gb sandisk - I wanted the footage to match and I got a little over 300 frames at that res, which was fine with me so that's the thinking there.

@Redrocks Thanks for the tips and the link. I don't have Resolve and it looks like a fairly big learning curve. I know the AE workflow isn't optimum but it feels creatively intuitive at the moment you are playing with the light in terms of highlight and shadow. For a larger project it would definitely be problematic.

Here's the benchmark for the 600x 16gb sandisk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79873293@N03/9284673262/

And here benchmark for the 1000X 64gb komputerbay: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79873293@N03/9281892929/

I couldn't figure out how to get a clear screen for the 16gb benchmark and for the second it doesn't seem to be in film mode. Hm. Well, if I should do them again for anyone, just let me know. Btw. the komputerbay card is brand new and completely unused.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on July 14, 2013, 05:37:07 PM

shot with the 29th June build in 1728X972 with a Lexar 1000X 32gb Card and a Sandisk Extreme 600X 16gb Card. I could shoot continuous on the Lexar and got 310 - 340 frames on the Sandisk - long enough for a quick shot and I actually liked the limitation because it forces you to think fast.

Sound is H4N/sennheisser me66 + G3 and lav.
Nice Clip! I really like it. Remembers me to my Berlin trip last summer ;-)

Just a question: Do you own a VAF (Video Aliasing Filter) for your 5D?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on July 14, 2013, 07:55:19 PM
It depends on your needs, but any footage that is valuable to you is more valuable in its original form. I got an answer to a related question here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6731.msg56002#msg56002

I can't speak to Cineform, but Resolve round tripping is working great for me. I was very comfy with AE / PP / SG before RAW, but found the Adobe workflow to be sluggish and counterproductive in that I was faced with grading decisions / opportunities before I'd cut a single shot and if I really need ACR, I can always introduce that after I have gotten a feel for the edit (quickly) using Resolve proxies. I also like the limitations of the higher ratios and the way they foster discipline. If I know I will only need a certain length shot, I select a ratio that can just about give me that knowing I will crop to a lower ratio anyway, whilst having room to later reframe. Liked your vid, btw.

Can you explain how youre using acr in your workflow with resolve?
My current wworkflow is raw>>>raw2cdng>>>resolve>>>premiere cc (via proxies)>>>and back to resolve for final grading and render.
I'd just like to introduce acr before cutting
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on July 14, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
@guentergunter  Thanks!

A VAF is on my list but for now I just try and avoid surfaces which cause the nastiest antialiasing/moire, keep my camera moves and my shutter speeds slow. I would love to try out a VAF but the thing that I found most useful which I bought lately was a variable ND from lightcraft - motion blur seems to negate a lot of choppy aliasing artifacts.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 14, 2013, 11:47:05 PM
@Ethan I hadn't used Resolve till a few weeks ago and I'm far from an expert, but Color Grading Central and AETUTS have some excellent Resolve tutorials. I'd love to see ACR enabled in Premiere and find it strange that the company who created DNG don't fully support it. Until then it's horses for courses and I would advise anyone to familiarize themselves with all of the workflow options.

@Vikado It's a mixture of round tripping and dynamic link. Export your XML to Resolve and if you have any problems you need ACR for, you can go back to PP and dynamic link to AE, do your stuff then render that out and import the results to Resolve.

My VAF arrived last week and I love it. Will up some comparisons tomorrow.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: F.T.I. ARMY on July 15, 2013, 04:07:52 AM

THIS WORK FLOW IS GREAT, AND WORKS PERFECT WITH THE MARK II DNG FILES.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: aaphotog on July 15, 2013, 05:01:03 AM
@Ethan I hadn't used Resolve till a few weeks ago and I'm far from an expert, but Color Grading Central and AETUTS have some excellent Resolve tutorials. I'd love to see ACR enabled in Premiere and find it strange that the company who created DNG don't fully support it. Until then it's horses for courses and I would advise anyone to familiarize themselves with all of the workflow options.

@Vikado It's a mixture of round tripping and dynamic link. Export your XML to Resolve and if you have any problems you need ACR for, you can go back to PP and dynamic link to AE, do your stuff then render that out and import the results to Resolve.

My VAF arrived last week and I love it. Will up some comparisons tomorrow.

What do you mean, I load my DNG's into After effects just fine(not cinema DNG's) and am able to pull up ACR any time I want to as well.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on July 15, 2013, 08:24:16 AM
@Redrocks looking forward to that VAF comparison. ACR in Premiere would definitely be good.
@F.T.I. ARMY yeah - that workflow looks straightforward and the result is very good. I'll have to give it a try.

I have to admit, I know very little about coloring and I go for some pretty unsubtle choices. Those Alexa like skin tones look very good and I can really see the appeal in it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: kgv5 on July 15, 2013, 09:12:13 AM
If you are interested in VAF - you can also check VAF-6D threads, I believe that the results would be the same.
BTW: the filter is great, i see huge improvement in picture quality so if you cannot switch to 5D3 the VAF would be a very nice improvement.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 15, 2013, 12:27:31 PM
What do you mean, I load my DNG's into After effects just fine(not cinema DNG's) and am able to pull up ACR any time I want to as well.

AE has realtime playback? Correcting 100's of clips isn't a chore? Sure you can do it in AE, I'm saying the process is inefficient is all.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on July 15, 2013, 12:47:42 PM
re: AE - yup. Inefficient for sure. You grade sequences from your first frame and if you are doing run and gun and your camera is pointed at the ground you'll probably do it over later. Also - unless there's another way to do it - each sequence requires a separate Comp.

And on my machine forget realtime playback, I don't playback at all. Just load, adjust ACR and export Cineform AVIs to edit in PP.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 15, 2013, 01:41:22 PM
You can use Bridge to open all frames within a clip at once, but you still have to reopen it to make further tweaks. Everyone has their own way, I just don't like the idea of grading too much before picture lock and prefer to be working with RAW footage after that.

I've got a small render farm headed up by a hex core with 64GB of RAM and every AE correction still requires rendering, whereas Resolve gives me real time playback of my whole project. The ability to add more GPU's is interesting too.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on July 15, 2013, 01:41:30 PM
@Redrocks looking forward to that VAF comparison. ACR in Premiere would definitely be good.
If that's what you're looking for:
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 15, 2013, 01:57:30 PM
Ted Ramasola also posted tests, mine are cityscapes with lots of sharp edges and patterns that normally destroy RAW shots. A VAF pays for itself the first time you use it, IMHO.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on July 15, 2013, 02:36:56 PM
@all WINDOWS user
Sorry Guys! Please redownload the today release of raw2dng.exe! During cleaning up the code I forgot to add the Camera Tag.

@F.T.I. ARMY
Another Command Line Freak :D
I recommend dcraw (http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/) instead of ufraw-batch - it seems to be a lot faster on OSX. ffmpeg suports image2pipe, on the fly rendering, however if you want to render to ProRes 444. There's a bug in ffmpeg prores_kostya profile: The export file is being detected by Quicktime as ProRes 422, therefore I use ffmbc (https://code.google.com/p/ffmbc/) instead.

@Ethan_Reitz
It depends on your computer, but ...
After Effects supports realtime RAM previews playback + multi Core Rendering since CS5

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/734343
http://www.peachpit.com/podcasts/episode.aspx?e=7b2f2790-ea34-4adc-add2-487e40d40d6f
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 15, 2013, 08:57:46 PM
Ted Ramasola also posted tests, mine are cityscapes with lots of sharp edges and patterns that normally destroy RAW shots. A VAF pays for itself the first time you use it, IMHO.


I have been toying with the idea of getting  a VAF-5D2b Moire / Aliasing Filter,
but i watched Ted Ramasola 's Video of shooting charts,
After watching that i don't think i will , What i notice was the morie pattern are still
there, but with a big Sharpness Drop with H264 & Raw.
I like its being de-focus or Soft focus. Plus i noticed a WB Change.
to a Yellow over-tones.
I was wondering it in Real world, do you notice these problems ?
Is the Sharpness lose a issue ?
 :) 

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: lagunak47 on July 15, 2013, 11:48:38 PM
Let some friends shoot some plates of the fire out in vegas for their feature film. Hard to see the fire but pretty sky! Love the way the colors match what I actually saw with my eyes.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Hazer on July 16, 2013, 03:59:37 AM
I was wondering it in Real world, do you notice these problems ?
Is the Sharpness lose a issue ?

There is no sharpness loss.  What you perceive as softness is actually the true resolution of the camera which is revealed by the filter.  Yes, it's that soft in H264 mode -- scary.  Aliasing creates false detail / jagged edges, which is why mark ii footage in raw sometimes looks a little "crispy".  The filter removes this.

With the filter the images are really nice, and very detailed.  I saw the charts before I bought one, and I was skeptical.  However in most *practical* situations, the jaggies are greatly reduced.  Hair is a great example.  Hair almost always looks terrible with no filter -- horrendous false color that is visible with the slightest motion of your subject.  This is nearly eliminated with the filter.  However if you shoot things with lots of geometric patterns, then a 5D2 is not for you, even with the filter.

Also, the filter does reduce the resolution of still images.  You must remove the filter for full resolution stills, and this can be a little annoying.  For things like taking a snapshot of lighting setups, I just leave it in.  The images are surprisingly useful.  In fact, taking a 21MP still with the filter installed, and zooming all the way in, is a good way to see just how good the filter really is.  The images are far more detailed than H264 mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: kgv5 on July 16, 2013, 06:39:39 AM
I have a 6D with VAF-6D filter and I can confirm everything what Hazer said.
Because of the lack of false colour and false details with the filter you can also add more sharpness in post without exagerrating picture artifacts.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 16, 2013, 08:48:32 AM

I was wondering it in Real world, do you notice these problems ?
Is the Sharpness lose a issue ?
 :)

This attached video is an example of my real world use of the 5D2+VAF. I shot this for non-profit work to raise funds for a church restoration, it will show a lot of wide shots of a brick structure that will simply be very difficult without the filter. Also shows some person interviews, I intentionally did not sharpen the interview shots since the person is old and it would "enhance" his wrinkles. :)

There was no raw video yet so this is H264, but Magic Lantern was used so I could monitor the sound and split the audio channel for safety, auto rec restart is also useful in long interviews.

Please view in 1080p.


Mostly people shots on this one.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Daedalus0506 on July 16, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
@ ted ramasola, did you notice that you have used the german national anthem in the beginning? ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 16, 2013, 08:12:37 PM
@ ted ramasola, did you notice that you have used the german national anthem in the beginning? ;D

Hahaha! Sounds similar though, but it was an improv, live piano a music professor was playing for me at the seminary. But yeah, sounds similar. Can't remember the title but he was playing from notes "he said he made". :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 16, 2013, 09:50:57 PM
This attached video is an example of my real world use of the 5D2+VAF. I shot this for non-profit work to raise funds for a church restoration, it will show a lot of wide shots of a brick structure that will simply be very difficult without the filter. Also shows some person interviews, I intentionally did not sharpen the interview shots since the person is old and it would "enhance" his wrinkles. :)

There was no raw video yet so this is H264, but Magic Lantern was used so I could monitor the sound and split the audio channel for safety, auto rec restart is also useful in long interviews.

Please view in 1080p.


Mostly people shots on this one.

Very Nice Ted,
I think you answered my question
I Think the VAF filter would be a good investment,
the interviews "Sold Me"  Thanks :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coma on July 17, 2013, 03:48:37 PM
Here is the benchmark of a Flashraptor 800x 64GB Card

As some people are reporting low write rates for cards others report much higher values to, may there be something wrong with a batch of 5D's or some of the cards?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg818.imageshack.us%2Fimg818%2F7356%2Ft1vt.png&hash=fdc6b2a60abe12dabea2735242f01723)

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: athimbleofdan on July 17, 2013, 04:13:48 PM
What do you guys think? Should I be sending this card back? Can't get continuous on the Komputerbay 64gb 1000x. Only getting around 54.2mb/s currently. Here is the last benchmark

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7wPFwWQ.png&hash=806a506cad7deafa09159485a1ad7ed6)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coma on July 17, 2013, 04:19:02 PM
What do you guys think? Should I be sending this card back? Can't get continuous on the Komputerbay 64gb 1000x. Only getting around 54.2mb/s currently. Here is the last benchmark

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7wPFwWQ.png&hash=806a506cad7deafa09159485a1ad7ed6)

Can you run the test again in playback mode?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 17, 2013, 04:45:21 PM
@coma I have a Monster 800x card and get  around 60 MB/s and a Promaster 1000x card and get around 73 MB/s, if you want to get the maximum recording time with raw you will need a 1000x card.

@athimbleofdan you may want to try and return that card based of my tests and what others report you should be getting write speeds in the mid 70 MB/s range.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: athimbleofdan on July 17, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
@bnvm Thanks! Doing a couple more tests in movie and playback mode. Here are the results. Looks like it's an improvement over photo mode. Right around where it should be. Still can't shoot full 16:9 1880 in continuous. It's not giving me the green "continuous okay" and saying it's around 56.4 mb/s now. Seems to change every so often.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FH97L7W8.png&hash=293d6b9005517828f6e87036949986bf)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 17, 2013, 05:43:21 PM
@athimbleofdan your number still seem low. As I recall it is not valid to benchmark the card in playback mode, the results are always higher than you get with other modes. I believe that the live view needs to be enabled during benchmarking to get an accurate reading of how the card will perform when recording raw.

With your 1000x card you should be getting around 75 MB/s when recording raw, the 56.4 MB/s you are getting is similar to what I see with my 800x card. I believe at this point continuous shooting at 1880 with 16/9 ratio is not possible with any card, the MK5D2 body doesn't quite have the speed required. As of now, if I remember correctly, I the highest resolution I can get continuous shooting is at 1880 with a aspect ratio of 2 (1880x940).

Things have been changing quickly so I may be wrong on some of the specifics however.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 17, 2013, 08:05:02 PM
Did you get that resolution with the komputerbay 1000x.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 17, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
Iv been reading and looking at samples of the new tweak that has been found, the Dual ISO, the results looks amazing from what i have seen so far. Iv noticed that its for the 5Dmkiii and 7D at the moment, will this ever come to 5Dmkii?

Cheers :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 18, 2013, 12:04:19 AM
Did you get that resolution with the komputerbay 1000x.

No with a ProMaster 1000x 16GB, I am getting about 73 MB/s with it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 04:27:10 AM
No with a ProMaster 1000x 16GB, I am getting about 73 MB/s with it.

Oh, ok. Thats about the same, apparently a tad slower though. The komputerbay gets 75mb/s....
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 18, 2013, 06:30:37 AM
Yep definitely slower 71 MB/s normal and 73 MB/s in crop mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 06:44:57 AM
Its weird how the komputerbay is the fastest. Some report even faster than Lexars.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 18, 2013, 04:19:55 PM

Apologies for the delay. VAF test: one with and one without (can you guess which is which?) @1872 x 1250 in a 1920 x 1080 AE comp. All settings at zero in ACR, 400% scale applied for the digital zoom and rendered out @ h264 8mbps. The aliasing looks terrible without the VAF in Resolve & AE, but that's a display trade off, although the 8Gb lossless version from AE has artifacts around the plain of focus. It's hard to differentiate and perhaps I'm justifying my outlay, but the areas that would suffer aliasing are much smoother, particularly the double yellow lines. The VAF also has a slight reverse diopter effect, adding 15-25mm to your closest focal point.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 18, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
Buying a Komputerbay card was really really difficult for me, they keep sending me the wrong one. Now I have the opportunity to choose the size again. A lot of people here have tested them, which one is the fastest? 32GB or 64?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a59192 on July 18, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
Recently I bought a 32g, in 1880x1058 (16:9) (23.976) can record some 1500f (some a minute and a half), so I think it is a good choice ... for your reference.  ;)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3782%2F9315482614_9dd51a39e8_o.jpg&hash=63dbac2cec8365c1def66772d0b773aa)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 18, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
Recently I bought a 32g, in 1880x1058 (16:9) (23.976) can record some 1500f (some a minute and a half), so I think it is a good choice ... for your reference.  ;)

Thanks a lot. How about 1856X1004?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a59192 on July 18, 2013, 05:49:53 PM
Thanks a lot. How about 1856X1004?

Recording can be set at 1856x1044 exceed 3200f no skip, the largest in 5400f around (over four minutes), use the frame skip in 2, Card warm-up set at 1G, the average recorded for the 75 ~ 76.4MB / s up and down.   :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 06:53:34 PM
Recording can be set at 1856x1044 exceed 3200f no skip, the largest in 5400f around (over four minutes), use the frame skip in 2, Card warm-up set at 1G, the average recorded for the 75 ~ 76.4MB / s up and down.   :)

Can you test to see if you get continuous at 1880x940? The aspect ratio should be at 2:1.

I literally just ordered this card yesterday night and I was searching ebrywhere on the forums for benchmarks etc., and all of a sudden you come out! Thanks so much!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a59192 on July 18, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
Can you test to see if you get continuous at 1880x940? The aspect ratio should be at 2:1.

I literally just ordered this card yesterday night and I was searching ebrywhere on the forums for benchmarks etc., and all of a sudden you come out! Thanks so much!

Yes! Have been tested in 1880x940 (2:1) continuous recording over 10000f (over seven minutes) no frame skip, file size exceeds 30GB .. card is full.  ::)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 18, 2013, 07:25:53 PM
Recording can be set at 1856x1044 exceed 3200f no skip, the largest in 5400f around (over four minutes), use the frame skip in 2, Card warm-up set at 1G, the average recorded for the 75 ~ 76.4MB / s up and down.   :)

Not bad. Now we need someone with the 64GB one.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 07:34:09 PM
Yes! Have been tested in 1880x940 (2:1) continuous recording over 10000f (over seven minutes) no frame skip, file size exceeds 30GB .. card is full.  ::)

Freakin awesome! Thanks a lot. Is this the highest aspect ratio the card can go before non continuous shooting?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 07:35:52 PM
Not bad. Now we need someone with the 64GB one.

There are many other benchmark and reviews on this forum. I remember though yesterday when I was searching through, I found a guy who had a 32, 64, and 128 gb card. He did benchmarks for all three. The 32 and the 64 were the same. And the 128gb was significantly slower than the rest.

Here we go: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5510.25 Its post #49
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 18, 2013, 08:16:20 PM
Freakin awesome! Thanks a lot. Is this the highest aspect ratio the card can go before non continuous shooting?

I believe so and it will probably stay that way unless the dev's can find a way to decrease the amount of data written to the card, 10-12bit or find a way to squeeze a little more bandwidth out of the MII. Looks like mid 70's is about the limit for this camera.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 08:32:44 PM
I'm fine with that though I wouldn't say this is final for the 5D2.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 18, 2013, 08:49:43 PM
There are many other benchmark and reviews on this forum. I remember though yesterday when I was searching through, I found a guy who had a 32, 64, and 128 gb card. He did benchmarks for all three. The 32 and the 64 were the same. And the 128gb was significantly slower than the rest.

Here we go: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5510.25 Its post #49

Thanks a lot. And he was really lucky with his purchase!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 18, 2013, 11:54:14 PM
My 64GB Komputerbay is almost continuous @1.85.

1872 x 1012

5917
6331
5089
reformat
261
6579
5418
5498


1856 x 1004

14000+
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coma on July 19, 2013, 02:04:06 AM
Komputerbay 64GB 1856 x 1044

2035 frames which is nearly 2 mins

interesting fact: 1880 hack is giving me about 1-2MB/s less in writing speed…
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 02:25:19 AM
My 64GB Komputerbay is almost continuous @1.85.

1872 x 1012

5917
6331
5089
reformat
261
6579
5418
5498


1856 x 1004

14000+

What about 1880 @ 1.85?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coma on July 19, 2013, 02:29:54 AM
What about 1880 @ 1.85?

1880 is actually 1872 (camera limit)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 02:32:44 AM
Komputerbay 64GB 1856 x 1044

2035 frames which is nearly 2 mins

interesting fact: 1880 hack is giving me about 1-2MB/s less in writing speed…

I think it's like that with any higher resolutions... Idk I may be wrong.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 02:35:26 AM
1880 is actually 1872 (camera limit)

I was wondering that, but why do they offer 1880 over 1872? I feel like the ML team found that the sensor actually doesn't utilize all of the sensor's pixels. For example the sensor is actually 22 mp but it only uses 21 mp, same with other cameras such as the 5d3.

Again I'm just speculating. I have no idea.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 19, 2013, 03:12:57 AM
I was wondering that, but why do they offer 1880 over 1872? I feel like the ML team found that the sensor actually doesn't utilize all of the sensor's pixels. For example the sensor is actually 22 mp but it only uses 21 mp, same with other cameras such as the 5d3.

Again I'm just speculating. I have no idea.

1880 is not on the official repo and not "endorsed" by a1ex. It is only available in a.d. compile.
Thats the reason why it's an option in menu to switch on and off.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 03:35:11 AM
1880 is not on the official repo and not "endorsed" by a1ex. It is only available in a.d. compile.
Thats the reason why it's an option in menu to switch on and off.

So what's the point of A.d. adding it in when it's actually 1872? Is that what the dngs come out to when they're extracted?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 19, 2013, 04:16:11 AM
So what's the point of A.d. adding it in when it's actually 1872? Is that what the dngs come out to when they're extracted?
Its not just 1880 is "actually 1872", a.d added it since its possible, and the dngs is still 1880, but if I understood a1ex correctly (he or a.d. could chime in and correct or add to this), 1872 is more "efficient" to process and determined that 1880 was not efficient to process thus some report to get lower performance than with 1872.  It was explained way back, probably in this thread or in another.

There are some features added by a.d. that sometimes make it to the repo, some don't, like the black borders. My understanding is a1ex found out it "sometimes" causes problems with other users. So whenever he thinks its not efficient in other cameras or models, he doesn't port it to the official repo.

The black borders and 1880 don't cause problems with my camera and card though so I personally use a.d.'s build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 04:32:53 AM
Its not just 1880 is "actually 1872", a.d added it since its possible, and the dngs is still 1880, but if I understood a1ex correctly (he or a.d. could chime in and correct or add to this), 1872 is more "efficient" to process and determined that 1880 was not efficient to process thus some report to get lower performance than with 1872.  It was explained way back, probably in this thread or in another.

There are some features added by a.d. that sometimes make it to the repo, some don't, like the black borders. My understanding is a1ex found out it "sometimes" causes problems with other users. So whenever he thinks its not efficient in other cameras or models, he doesn't port it to the official repo.

The black borders and 1880 don't cause problems with my camera and card though so I personally use a.d.'s build.

Oh ok. Well I like these individual features and I rather have 8 more pixels. I'll stick with ad too. Nothing against a1ex or anything.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 19, 2013, 04:56:04 AM
I have getting a few corrupted frame in the Crop Mode.  :(
I'm on the July 11th Built, With the new raw2dng for PC
Frame size 2048x930 23.976p , recorded for 5700 frame  on Lexar 1000x 64GB card
Used Canon 70-200 @ 200 with 2x extender = 400 mm
in crop mode should = 1200 mm
no problems recording continuous
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5322%2F9316806921_518f416072_b.jpg&hash=4c9d26f5cce264cccf2a82e692855910) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96806538@N08/9316806921/)
001467 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96806538@N08/9316806921/) by davidmiazga1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/96806538@N08/), on Flickr


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Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 19, 2013, 05:50:31 AM
your attached images are not showing.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 06:07:03 AM
I second this.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 19, 2013, 09:36:14 AM
Why can't the Mark II get the new Dual ISO Dynamic Range, what different with the 7D that allows it?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 19, 2013, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 09:02:48 AM
@guentergunter: I have explained the reasons for mod16 resolutions, and I'll stick with that.

If a.d. wants to provide 1880, that's his own choice and I do not support it in any way. I know what trouble I had on 5D3 with random lockups because of DMA misalignment, so I'll stick with a portable solution that works everywhere.

As for the other options, some of them are good and will be added to vanilla builds (e.g. black bars, but in a clean way that does not fight with other overlays), others are just ugly hacks (e.g. dropping frames instead of optimizing playback code, or some status displays moved over ML overlays, therefore flickering like crazy if you enable both.

--------------

1880 doesn't seem worth taking a chance on at this point. Not that I don't appreciate a.d's efforts, I just prefer to work with the most reliable code. I did direct comparisons between a.d. & A1ex's builds:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662.msg53551#msg53551
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on July 19, 2013, 11:16:04 AM
Why can't the Mark II get the new Dual ISO Dynamic Range, what different with the 7D that allows it?

http://cdn.bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads/dual_iso.pdf

3.1 What about other cameras?
Unfortunately, most other Canon cameras follow a different pattern for the CMOS #0 register,
without any obviously duplicate fields. As we know from Canon specs, most cameras have
a 4-channel sensor readout, except for 5D Mark III and 7D which have a 8-channel readout.
Therefore, it’s likely that our ISO trick may work on the 7D.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 06:17:16 PM
As for the Dual ISO video on the 5D2: I obviously have no idea that it will ever happen but, 1% found that it should work on the 6D... If it works on the 6D there's quite a larger chance that it should work on our 5D2. Then again though, its an older canon camera, things change...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ThibaudS on July 19, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
Here's a stupid question :-\,
can someone tell me how to film in crop mode on the 5d2?
thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 19, 2013, 09:20:53 PM

As for the RAW video on the 5D2: I obviously have no idea that it will ever happen but, 1% found that it should work on the 6D... If it works on the 6D there's quite a larger chance that it should work on our 5D2. Then again though, its an older canon camera, things change...

You mean the DUAL ISO RAW Video right? :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 19, 2013, 09:26:27 PM
Here's a stupid question :-\,
can someone tell me how to film in crop mode on the 5d2?
thanks!

To record in 3X crop mode;

Press magnify button, (the one with the magnifying glass symbol) on your camera body.

5x magnify only NOT 10x.

While in 5x magnify, choose the resolution you want in ML menu. (you can choose higher resolution while 5X magnify is engaged)

Use AUTO preview or ML grayscale in ML menu.

Start recording by pressing SET button.

 :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
You mean the DUAL ISO RAW Video right? :)


Yeah. That's what I meant.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ThibaudS on July 20, 2013, 09:16:18 AM
To record in 3X crop mode;

Press magnify button, (the one with the magnifying glass symbol) on your camera body.

5x magnify only NOT 10x.

While in 5x magnify, choose the resolution you want in ML menu. (you can choose higher resolution while 5X magnify is engaged)

Use AUTO preview or ML grayscale in ML menu.

Start recording by pressing SET button.

 :)

Thanks Ted !
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 20, 2013, 10:46:52 AM
Thanks Ted !

Also, in ML menu make sure that centre framing mode is set to x5 mode :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: andyshon on July 20, 2013, 01:52:38 PM
I guess this is pretty obvious, but turning off the buffer display does get me a little extra write speed. With a.d.s 5bad65ff8cb8 build, buffer display off, write speed peaks at 74MB/s and at 1856x1044 25fps I get between 700 and 800 frames. With buffer display on, or using the standard nightly 2013-07-20, write peaks at 73MB/s and at the same resolution I get 600 to 700 frames
Komputerbay 1000x 64GB in a very old and tired 5D2.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 20, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
I'm going out this weekend to shoots some test scene for special effects and some potential scenery shots, I would like to have some advice on Resolution settings and aspect ratio setting. Now the native Canon 5D Mark II video output is a sensor downscale from 1880 RAW to 1920x1080p H.264, what would be the equivalent to that in our ML settings? What is the best possible Aspect Ratio and Resolution? From your research what's the hightest upconversion that can be don with the ML RAW setting for the 5D Mark II? I have the Cinestlye Picturestyle so what's the best option for DNG conversion, the Resolve workflow or Adobe Camera Raw workflow? Thanks for any info you guys give me, last I feel a.d's compile are great and does a.d compiles include Alex's also? Where are Alex compiles?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: coralio on July 20, 2013, 08:27:36 PM
Hi there,

I used to be able to change the DNG's Camera Profile to "Neutral" or to any other profile in Lightroom and in ACR. Now I can't ("Embedded" is selected as the default profile, and it can't be changed). I don't know if this is the right thread, but could you give me a hint?

Thank you!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on July 21, 2013, 03:09:51 AM
Just tested the new build from a.d laboratory working smooth no pink cast or anything! killing it !!! thanks devs
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on July 21, 2013, 03:20:21 AM
Getting 920 frames with 1880 frame size,
1600 frames with 1872 frame size

using a brand new Komputer Bay 64gb 1000x

BTW, can't find the way to open more than 4 gig files.  Read it a long time ago but forgot where it was.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on July 21, 2013, 03:28:15 AM
BTW, can't find the way to open more than 4 gig files.  Read it a long time ago but forgot where it was.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

this might help you ..

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on July 21, 2013, 08:03:24 AM
this might help you ..

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0)

Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 21, 2013, 08:11:19 AM
Also, in ML menu make sure that centre framing mode is set to x5 mode :)

Doyle4,

I have tried switching this to SET to x5 mode and I see no benefit over OFF/center since current build still give you off centered framing when recording is started.
While preview-AUTO setting gives you ML grayscale when in 3x crop mode, framing your shot is possible.
When record is started. the screen gives you a grayscale image with realtime feedback but off centered framing and scaling.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on July 21, 2013, 08:51:58 AM
Doyle4,

I have tried switching this to SET to x5 mode and I see no benefit over OFF/center since current build still give you off centered framing when recording is started.
While preview-AUTO setting gives you ML grayscale when in 3x crop mode, framing your shot is possible.
When record is started. the screen gives you a grayscale image with realtime feedback but off centered framing and scaling.
Thanks for explaining this, I think due to not understanding this I may have ended up with a hell of a lot of oddly composed shots of my last job...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 21, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Doyle4,

I have tried switching this to SET to x5 mode and I see no benefit over OFF/center since current build still give you off centered framing when recording is started.
While preview-AUTO setting gives you ML grayscale when in 3x crop mode, framing your shot is possible.
When record is started. the screen gives you a grayscale image with realtime feedback but off centered framing and scaling.

Ahh sweet ill have to check this out, iv used x5 framing for all my crop shots, ill see what i make of it after changing somethings.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 21, 2013, 12:32:13 PM
Iv read a few post's asking about the new Dual ISO for 5D mkiii and 7D and some people asking about the 5D mkii like my self... i found this to why its only thous two cameras.

From A1lex him self:

Quote
Works for both photos and raw videos on Canon EOS 5D Mark III. On Canon EOS 7D, photo only (since it can’t do raw video).
What are the benefits? more dynamic range (less shadow noise).
The functionality was not really in Canon firmware, but in the chip that samples the sensor. Canon firmware does not make any use of it (they just set both ISO “registers” to the same value). It was implemented on the hardware side though (and that’s why it works only on these 2 cameras, because only they have two ISO amplifiers)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: gnarr on July 21, 2013, 05:44:03 PM
Here is a test I shot a few days ago:
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 21, 2013, 06:16:17 PM
Come on guys...

This is a community that we are all interested in and like to help one another, this is the first time iv witnessed this.

I think some people have read things wrong and taken in the wrong way, this happens, its apart of life, its hard to put feeling and emotion into text.

Lets start clean guys, theres enough crap going on in the world that we cant fix... but us on here should be sticking by each other and helping one and other.

Much love and peace.  :)

PS. Iv upset devs by mistake and not ment too, im dyslexic and disprastic and dont always read things correctly so when replying i look like im moaning, but i never take offence if a reply is upsetting to me, its my own doing of how i explain and type it, i just apologise and try and explain better next time around, these devs do alot and must be under alot of stress fixing and tweaking... and have PM messages that we dont see.

Sit back and smile :) its all about you knowing the truth, let others think what they want.. you are you and thats all that matters :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on July 21, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: a1ex on June 27, 2013, 09:02:48 AM
@guentergunter: I have explained the reasons for mod16 resolutions, and I'll stick with that.

If a.d. wants to provide 1880, that's his own choice and I do not support it in any way. I know what trouble I had on 5D3 with random lockups because of DMA misalignment, so I'll stick with a portable solution that works everywhere.

As for the other options, some of them are good and will be added to vanilla builds (e.g. black bars, but in a clean way that does not fight with other overlays), others are just ugly hacks (e.g. dropping frames instead of optimizing playback code, or some status displays moved over ML overlays, therefore flickering like crazy if you enable both.

--------------

1880 doesn't seem worth taking a chance on at this point. Not that I don't appreciate a.d's efforts, I just prefer to work with the most reliable code. I did direct comparisons between a.d. & A1ex's builds:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662.msg53551#msg53551

It's me, a1ex replied to.
I said: If there's no difference in performance, I would always prefer the highest possible resolution (equal quality, in my oppinion).
And since I at least record at 2:1 or even wider, I can in any resolution (without crop) record untill my 64GB Lexar 1000x is full. Thus I see absolutely no sense in throwing those 8 pixels away (which would also imply a slide crop).

Also, I think a.d.'s code is highly reliable. It's simply not that fast when it comes to 1880, but that's due to the architecture of the camera's chipset (which is by the way linked to the mod16-topic, what a1ex explained).

So a.d. simply gives us the possibility to get the highest possible resolution out of our 5D's. And since it's optional you can unhurriedly find out if it fits your setup (aspect ratio; CF-card; etc.)


Yes! Have been tested in 1880x940 (2:1) continuous recording over 10000f (over seven minutes) no frame skip, file size exceeds 30GB .. card is full.  ::)

Same here with Lexar 1000x, both 32GB and 64GB.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on July 21, 2013, 08:43:47 PM
it's not possible just to keep it in 1872 ? So it would be nice to get same aspect 1872 in normal crop and 3x crop mode... im running a.d's builds and i get no corruption frames, bad pixels or anything even without the greyscale. It freaks me black and white when i press rec kkkkk at this point all RAW thing have changed a lot the whole industry and even my business saving me some money on new equipment. So guys this is the future and all you dev's made this happen! You all should be super proud and all i have to do is spread the word and thank all you guys! keep on ROCKING ! 8)

ps: sorry my english is not as sharp as a raw file
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: filmthatsheet on July 22, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
Hey guys

When I hit the 5x crop button, my image punches in, but when I hit record, nothing changes.  I was under the impression that I could get proper framing before I hit record. 

I've had this same issue on the last 3 builds.  When I review the image, it's wider than what the live view displayed.  Is it just my ignorance, or do I have a legitimate issue? 

Thanks everybody
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Audionut on July 22, 2013, 03:06:41 AM
I've just removed a bunch of off-topic nonsense from this thread, and a couple of you are lucky that I've been told I'm often to heavy handed, or else I would have handed out a bunch or warnings also.

Please keep the discussion on-topic.  Discuss misunderstandings in PM.  Use the report button, or ignore the post and go and enjoy some sunshine.

With regards to the differences between builds by a.d. and the official repo.  There are reasons why some of the features that a.d. provides do not make it into the official repo.  The official repo must maintain some form of safety for users.  Yes it's made quite clear that ML can brick your camera, but there is a clear difference between providing a warning, and pushing all manner of code to the official repo without sufficient testing and without a very clear understanding of the consequences of the code.

Also, individual developers might have ideas that do not fall within the scope of what the ML development team as a whole are trying to accomplish.

Endless bickering back and forth about specific features does not serve any purpose but to disrupt the flow of conversation.  If there is a specific feature in a build that is not yet in the official repo, you are welcomed to make a feature request (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=24.0).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 22, 2013, 03:39:09 PM
@Audionut

Sweet man, Apologies also..
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on July 23, 2013, 06:15:34 AM
Ok, I'm getting a dead pixel in my footage. Not sure if it's a h/w issue on the sensor, the build (July 11 A1ex), or the raw2dng.  I have the raw files from the camera if someone would like to take a look.  Let me know where to drop it. 

H/W: 5D Mark ii, Shot on various lenses, 64gb Komputerbay 1000x CF
Post: raw2dng ->davinci resolve lite 9 -> fcpx
Settings:
1880x800
2.35:1
1880: on
Frame Skipping: off
Small Hacks: on


(Posted in the post-processing forum as well as I'm not sure if it's hardware, ML or raw2dng).  Thoughts?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on July 23, 2013, 07:30:04 AM
it's a dead pixel: for example, post:raw2dng->aftereffects ...
adobe acr should remove it automatically.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 23, 2013, 07:36:13 AM
Good evening A.d. Compiling a new build?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on July 23, 2013, 07:49:47 AM
Thanks AD.  Darn, I suppose that only leaves me with the raw2dng->ACR workflow. Darn. With the new Davinci resolve, I was really hoping to cut my workflow time. Any other solutions?

Also, if the dead pixel is on my camera, have I just not noticed it before when not shooting in raw or does RAW just accentuate dead pixels?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on July 23, 2013, 08:54:05 AM
@xNiNELiVES
no code change => no new build

...
Also, if the dead pixel is on my camera, have I just not noticed it before when not shooting in raw or does RAW just accentuate dead pixels?
it's in the camera. in general canon firmware masked the bad pixel out (value=0)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 23, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
@Indianac

If ACR is not removing it try the tutorial i found, using after effects and Wire removing.

Click on my name, choose show post's and there will be a dead/hot pixel fix tutorial :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on July 23, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
is there something I am missing on how to treat larger then 4 GB files... I got three of the sort with the .R00 file but when I try to process it all I get is noise and then a black screen, also have looked in the forum but haven't found a way that seemed clear enough, thanks again!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on July 23, 2013, 11:59:14 PM
is there something I am missing on how to treat larger then 4 GB files... I got three of the sort with the .R00 file but when I try to process it all I get is noise and then a black screen, also have looked in the forum but haven't found a way that seemed clear enough, thanks again!

Make sure you merge the parts into 1 file before you run raw2dng. Checkout the first post in this topic.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Samco on July 24, 2013, 07:27:45 PM
I'm sorry but I'm very new to ML. I'd like to install the version that will allow me to shoot RAW video with my mkII. Where do the latest download files fit in to the install? Should I do the regular ML install first or can I just swap/add the ML (modules) folder into the original downloaded ML v2.3 folders.

Sorry I know you guys are far past this I just wanna make some great videos.

Thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 24, 2013, 07:50:55 PM
Go to page one of this thread.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Indianac on July 24, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
@xNiNELiVES
no code change => no new build
it's in the camera. in general canon firmware masked the bad pixel out (value=0)

Sorry for the late reply. Thanks AD.  I found some sites which show how to get Canon's firmware to "discover" and correct for new dead pixels. I'm going to give it a go. Appreciate your help guys.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: elarturex on July 25, 2013, 11:36:05 AM
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: elarturex on July 25, 2013, 11:45:52 AM
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 25, 2013, 12:32:04 PM
The new Auto Exposure is pretty damn sweet!

Going to try this option tomorrow at an air show :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 25, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
@elarturex

You need to put your link in between the code. E.g:

[ vimeo]your link here[ /vimeo] <---- i added spaces so it didnt think i was posting a link, theres a button under the Bold button that has V press that and insert :)

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on July 25, 2013, 01:10:11 PM
I made clip for my friends containing only RAW footage thanks to a.d.build2013/07/19 5bad65ff8cb8. Still hoping for someone to help me with my only 60MB/s with 64gb 1000x Lexar card write speed and frequent crashes with anything like monitor or okii controller connected to the camera. Also have 6 corrupted clips out of 67 which can not be fixed (adding footer like advised on the forum make the conversion to dng possible but it is just pinkish mush) ALL were created while okii controller was plugged in. Camera on it's own recording bugs free.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 25, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
Just received my 64GB 1000X Komputerbay  :o After warming up it can do 1856X1004 continuous, 74.9-75 MB/s. I've filled the card.
Anyone was able to get more speed? Even a little more.


edit: I'm an idiot. To see maximum speed I have to put a higher res. Anyway.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Siberia on July 25, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
FPS override, Exact FPS,
shoot 0.2 fps, get a lot of copies of the first frame. And 1.0 fps is the same.
What to do? how to disable it?
Only at 2 FPS recording is normal.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PlayIt on July 25, 2013, 04:54:18 PM
Hi togg

24fps or 25fps? I get continuous with 24fps, with that resolution. same card. What you get with 25fps?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 25, 2013, 06:08:17 PM
Just received my 64GB 1000X Komputerbay  :o After warming up it can do 1856X1004 continuous, 74.9-75 MB/s. I've filled the card.
Anyone was able to get more speed? Even a little more.

Do you think 1856x1004 is the best continues option?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 25, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
Do you think 1856x1004 is the best continues option?

Yes!
It would be wonderful to achieve continuous 1856X1044 (16/9) someday.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
I second the 1856x1004 Continuous, though I rather be at 1880. So 1880x940 is where its at for me.\

Actually no its not continuous for me, the camera is on the borderline of continuous and it is for the first couple minutes. Then once the card starts filling more the card becomes 1 mb/s slower and the card can't go continuous.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 25, 2013, 06:47:31 PM
Hi togg

24fps or 25fps? I get continuous with 24fps, with that resolution. same card. What you get with 25fps?

24fps, 25 it's not continuous, the camera can't go up to 77.7 MB/s. 25 fps gives me 1394frame.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 09:15:36 PM
I remember one time I was using my camera in crop mode I got 78mb/s, it was crazy...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 25, 2013, 09:38:32 PM
I second the 1856x1004 Continuous, though I rather be at 1880. So 1880x940 is where its at for me.\

Actually no its not continuous for me, the camera is on the borderline of continuous and it is for the first couple minutes. Then once the card starts filling more the card becomes 1 mb/s slower and the card can't go continuous.

How much Upres do you think 1856x1004 or 1880x940 can handle before it disturbs the quality?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 25, 2013, 10:01:42 PM
How much Upres do you think 1856x1004 or 1880x940 can handle before it disturbs the quality?

I don't know, about 250 pixels on the width and the same proportionally on the width.

Btw tried new build a.d. works great! I'd like to request a interface that has the writing speed and a timer. No buffer other buffer statuses.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 25, 2013, 11:00:43 PM
I don't know, about 250 pixels on the width and the same proportionally on the width.

Btw tried new build a.d. works great! I'd like to request a interface that has the writing speed and a timer. No buffer other buffer statuses.

So your saying a safe Upres for 1856x1004 is 2106x1254 or 1880x940 is 2130x1190?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 26, 2013, 01:15:18 AM
So your saying a safe Upres for 1856x1004 is 2106x1254 or 1880x940 is 2130x1190?

Yeah it would probably look very similar in sharpness to the native resolution, yes.

If you're crazy enough you can upscale to 2560 on the width...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: elarturex on July 26, 2013, 02:47:21 AM
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 26, 2013, 02:51:23 AM
Christ. :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: elarturex on July 26, 2013, 02:54:51 AM
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PlayIt on July 26, 2013, 04:12:32 AM
24fps, 25 it's not continuous, the camera can't go up to 77.7 MB/s. 25 fps gives me 1394frame.

with 25fps i get around 1500 before it stops
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: justshady on July 26, 2013, 07:46:03 AM
Thanks for the update I'm now getting continuous rec. 24fps @ 1880 x 940 up from 1800 x 800 using Lexar 64gb x1000 and I can get almost 60 secs 1880 x 1016.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mihaii on July 26, 2013, 09:08:20 AM
Can anyone explain the new "auto exposure" module? I loaded it and enable it, but it doesnt "auto" anything. I supposd it should act like an "auto iso"?

Thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 26, 2013, 12:39:10 PM
Can anyone explain the new "auto exposure" module? I loaded it and enable it, but it doesnt "auto" anything. I supposd it should act like an "auto iso"?

Thanks

It's just for photo mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on July 26, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
It's just for photo mode.

After doing all the setting to shoot video, what is the setting to shoot Photo with ML firmware?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 26, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
After doing all the setting to shoot video, what is the setting to shoot Photo with ML firmware?

Same as normal, choose settings from photo menu in ML

if using LiveView make sure movie mode isnt enabled for LV :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 26, 2013, 03:43:06 PM
Can anyone explain the new "auto exposure" module? I loaded it and enable it, but it doesnt "auto" anything. I supposd it should act like an "auto iso"?

Thanks

Make sure you are in Manual mode, dosnt work with LiveView from what i can see,

I set min shutter too 1/180 and seems to be working great :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on July 26, 2013, 05:58:55 PM
Auto exposure discussion and help here
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7208
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: SpcCb on July 26, 2013, 06:30:36 PM
Hello all ;)

Fantastic job for this 14-Bit RAW video!
Tons of thanks!

After use it some times it's well working except:
With last builds (2013-07-11 ~ 2013-07-25) I get the same bug reported by Siberia in post http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.msg61762#msg61762
-> with FPS override set at low FPS there's a frame doubling in RAW videos. the sequence is (frame numbers): 121314151617(...) after extraction with RAW2DNG (build 2013-07-15).

Other bug, maybe with the same origin: With FPS override, multiple RAW video files (RAW, R00, Rnn) cannot be concatenated with the DOS cmd line copy /B and DNG cannot be extracted in individual video files by renaming in RAW.
The error message is in both of cases: 'Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file'

And beside, I tried to change the colour of the frame border (white border on screen) in RAW video mode without success: Is there a way? Because this border is flicking... :'(


*Edit to add the error message.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on July 26, 2013, 09:57:30 PM
I need to understand something. What's the difference between this raw2dng for Mac http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0 and the one that I can find in the first page here? https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads
I mean, are they using a different debayering algorithm? And why I am not able to disable auto ProRes file creation in the one in the first page?

Thanks  :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on July 26, 2013, 11:05:36 PM
@a.d

What is autoexpo.mo? and how do we use it please?

EDIT: Updated module
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on July 27, 2013, 03:46:46 AM
anyone use a field monitor on the 5d2 yet?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 27, 2013, 03:54:13 AM
Hello all  :)
I came a cross a transcoder,from DNG's & or Cinema DNG
on Windows Platform, called "CINEMARTIN CINEC"
links >http://www.cinemartin.com/cinec/#versions
you can take you dng's in & convert to ProRes 4444, convert colormatix (space) etc... on the pc  ;D
But you need the gold version to do this  :(  (399.00 EU dollars)
Bright side ;D there have a 35 Day free trial download unrestricted.
there is also a free Version that i use for h264 to ProRes on the PC  ;D
i use a New toshiba Laptop i7 Ivorybrige
Take advantage of all your cpu core, pretty darn fast .
 ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on July 27, 2013, 02:27:57 PM
anyone use a field monitor on the 5d2 yet?
Yes :-)
Click (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6572.msg52101)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on July 27, 2013, 04:45:18 PM
anyone use a field monitor on the 5d2 yet?

With raw video, the HDMI out of 5D2 does not drop to SD resolution and stay in HD.
You do not have to turn on hdmi-vga option in ML menu.

However, the white rectangular framing guide is skewed and offset to the left, some find this distracting, so turn it off by choosing in raw video menu>preview>ml grayscale.

The hdmi out is still in color but the offset frame guide is removed. For framing I used the old fashioned way of placing a transparent acetate over screen with different crop lines, if your monitor support crop guides that may help.
You can use tape to mask your crop. ;D

Also, DO NOT preview raw video with hdmi monitor attached as it will freeze your cam, you have to take out battery and back to reboot.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on July 27, 2013, 09:53:55 PM
Yes :-)
Click (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6572.msg52101)

With raw video, the HDMI out of 5D2 does not drop to SD resolution and stay in HD.
You do not have to turn on hdmi-vga option in ML menu.

However, the white rectangular framing guide is skewed and offset to the left, some find this distracting, so turn it off by choosing in raw video menu>preview>ml grayscale.

The hdmi out is still in color but the offset frame guide is removed. For framing I used the old fashioned way of placing a transparent acetate over screen with different crop lines, if your monitor support crop guides that may help.
You can use tape to mask your crop. ;D

Also, DO NOT preview raw video with hdmi monitor attached as it will freeze your cam, you have to take out battery and back to reboot.

nice. thank you very much gents.
we're planning on doing a feature on a 5d2 or possibly a 5d3.
are there any other pitfalls i should be weary about during production?
me thinks the latest build is good enough for a pro shoot.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on July 28, 2013, 04:28:44 AM
just tested new a.d laboratory build... work like a charm and i pushed a little bit this time. i tried some 30fps shots and work as good as 24fps but with the buffer limitation [200frames in 16:9 18526x1040 1880 off small hacks ON] . I also tested in 24fps with 1880 ON and OFF and both are framing perfect! To be honest i prefer using 1880 ON so i get all my shots 1876x1054 in both 1x mode or 3x mode. Awesome JOB guys... this thing keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 28, 2013, 10:39:01 PM
Hi All  :)
on July 16th 10:40pm MST i did a 3x crop test on the july 11th built which had 3 bad frames out of 5700 frames.
What i found very interesting is the framing is off a little.
Basically i let the moon pass though the crop window until it was gone in the preview window.
But it did not as you see, if you watch the whole Video until the end  :D
I have not tried the new built yet to see if this is still a problems.
But at any rate i put some music on from vimeo so i hope everyone enjoy it  ;D
   

Edit: 200mm with 2x extender = 400mm @f 5.6
in crop mode 3x = 1200mm
ISO 200 with ML -0.3 = 160 ISO, i think 

to see the original 2K file i uploaded it to YouTube
 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cosmo.lv on July 29, 2013, 12:23:57 AM
Hi All  :)
on July 16th 10:40pm MST i did a 3x crop test on the july 11th built which had 3 bad frames out of 5700 frames.
What i found very interesting is the framing is off a little.
Basically i let the moon pass though the crop window until it was gone in the preview window.
But it did not as you see, if you watch the whole Video until the end  :D
I have not tried the new built yet to see if this is still a problems.
But at any rate i put some music on from vimeo so i hope everyone enjoy it  ;D
   

Edit: 200mm with 2x extender = 400mm @f 5.6
in crop mode 3x = 1200mm
ISO 200 with ML -0.3 = 160 ISO, i think 

to see the original 2K file i uploaded it to YouTube
 

How you enebled crop mode in 5D2 ? :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 29, 2013, 12:52:19 AM
How you enebled crop mode in 5D2 ? :)

Press the 5x/10x magnification button on the top right hand side
 then go back to the ML menu & select frame sizes up to 2K etc..
 :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cosmo.lv on July 29, 2013, 01:18:37 AM
Press the 5x/10x magnification button on the top right hand side
 then go back to the ML menu & select frame sizes up to 2K etc..
 :)

Trying several times, nothing :(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 29, 2013, 01:39:58 AM
Trying several times, nothing :(

What Raw record module built are you using ?
make sure you are in the ML menu and not the canon menu
and also you must be in 5X magnification mode not 10X
hope that helps :) 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cosmo.lv on July 29, 2013, 11:18:33 AM
What Raw record module built are you using ?
make sure you are in the ML menu and not the canon menu
and also you must be in 5X magnification mode not 10X
hope that helps :)

Nothing... trying several times without success :(
trying also all RAW module builds - nothing....

You are sure you have 5D Mark II and not mark III? :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: gabz on July 29, 2013, 03:34:52 PM
Sure ! i did the same on the mark II this week end (200 +extender on the moon).
All i did was "load modules"
activate video RAW in the ML menu
then go in 5x press "trash" to set your resolution, press record (set)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on July 29, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
Nothing... trying several times without success :(
trying also all RAW module builds - nothing....

You are sure you have 5D Mark II and not mark III? :)

Other folks with 5DII are using it too :D just hit the 5x zoom botton with raw video on and press record, its that simple!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: FabledSpectrum on July 29, 2013, 03:53:08 PM

1880x854 (scaled to 1080)
24p

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cosmo.lv on July 29, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
Other folks with 5DII are using it too :D just hit the 5x zoom botton with raw video on and press record, its that simple!

Ok, i find the problem, there must be magic zoom set in all modes in ML menu and then it worked like a charm :))
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: claudiozaga on July 30, 2013, 02:21:42 PM
problem:
i use last modules , but when i convert with raw magic the cinedng is PINK!
i use APERTURE for Color correction and in this software is PINK file, but in Davinci is normal color
what is the problem?

in the old modules no have problem


sorry for my english

regards
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on July 31, 2013, 04:30:43 PM
Just Testing the July 25th built & i had a problem in the LV,
I'm getting random moving blocks of multiply pixels in Crop mode only,
there were showing up in canon preview as green blocks and
in the ML B/W preview they show up as white blocks.
But only in crop mode! its OK in 1:1 view.
 When back to the July 11th built & i don't have this problem.
Its almost like hot or dead pixels, I have never had a problem until now.
5D2 has only 11,000 activation's. I still need to check the files to see
if there is any corruption :)   
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: hornblower on August 01, 2013, 02:48:21 PM
(2013/07/11 bild)
Resolution 1880 x 800.
24 fps
I used Raw2dng, and later Lightroom to edit the dng files (in some cases) and convert them into jpgs, I tried to use Davinci Resolve but couldn't import the files. How can you do it?

You can see some problems (01:53 in crop mode and 03:12 ).

SORRY IT IS VERY LONG

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: vikado on August 01, 2013, 08:02:40 PM
(2013/07/11 bild)
Resolution 1880 x 800.
24 fps
I used Raw2dng, and later Lightroom to edit the dng files (in some cases) and convert them into jpgs, I tried to use Davinci Resolve but couldn't import the files. How can you do it?

You can see some problems (01:53 in crop mode and 03:12 ).

SORRY IT IS VERY LONG


Download the recent update for resolve and/or use raw2cdng.exe and choose 12bit or 16bit.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: hornblower on August 02, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
Thank you vikado; I downloaded the recent update. When I use raw2dng I drop the file into the exe, how can I choose 12bit or 16bit?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: disjecta on August 03, 2013, 12:34:32 AM
(2013/07/11 bild)
Resolution 1880 x 800.
24 fps
I used Raw2dng, and later Lightroom to edit the dng files (in some cases) and convert them into jpgs, I tried to use Davinci Resolve but couldn't import the files. How can you do it?

You can see some problems (01:53 in crop mode and 03:12 ).

SORRY IT IS VERY LONG


I don't mean to go on a rant here or disrespect anyone's work but I'm not sure what is the point of posting video that does not represent the strengths of shooting in RAW. A lot of footage I have seen, and this is no exception, shows high contrast scenes that have a large amount of over- and underexposure. These kind of examples look no different than if I shot video with my 5D2 without Magic Lantern. So I would ask anyone considering posting video to do so with the intent of demonstrating why it's worth shooting RAW. Show some scenes that cannot be captured using h.264. How about some detail in the shadows while maintaining cloud structure on an overcast day. Let's get a sense of what 13 stops of latitude looks like.

Again I'm not trying to offend anyone or be negative in any way, just encouraging everyone to show what's unique about RAW. I will be posting some things soon myself once I get the time to shoot.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: hornblower on August 03, 2013, 06:22:55 AM
No problem. Sure you are right. My first objective with the test was to know the workflow (excuse if my english is bad). I used Lightroom wich I hadn't used a lot. I used a predefined style and later play with the image. You can change that later in postpo as WB. I encourage you to make your own tests. And if you are worried about what others will think about RAW (if they don´t know what RAW is) you can yourself teach them the way you like.
My conclusion is that the workflow is very hard (12 mins, 64 Ggs Komputer Compact Flash gave me two days working), but , if Magic Lantern gains stability it worths it. Thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 03, 2013, 08:25:33 AM
No problem. Sure you are right. My first objective with the test was to know the workflow (excuse if my english is bad). I used Lightroom wich I hadn't used a lot. I used a predefined style and later play with the image. You can change that later in postpo as WB. I encourage you to make your own tests. And if you are worried about what others will think about RAW (if they don´t know what RAW is) you can yourself teach them the way you like.
My conclusion is that the workflow is very hard (12 mins, 64 Ggs Komputer Compact Flash gave me two days working), but , if Magic Lantern gains stability it worths it. Thanks
As far as workflow is concerned I am just working on my 3rd project involving ML RAW and I am now editing cine form proxies done through batchelor in premiere and then duplicating the timeline and re-linking them to the DNGs in AE. Although this is far from perfect you do at least get to work with the full quality without adding compression before editing. You could also try RAW2CDNG if you'd like to use resolve in the mix (it only takes cinema DNG files) 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on August 03, 2013, 11:23:33 PM
Other folks with 5DII are using it too :D just hit the 5x zoom botton with raw video on and press record, its that simple!
But I'm still having the same problem... couldn't find a way to get it working :(
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: jeff on August 04, 2013, 12:53:39 AM
...try RAW2CDNG if you'd like to use resolve in the mix (it only takes cinema DNG files)

Just wanted to let you know that this is no longer true. As of version 9.1.5 (released mid-July) Resolve now supports regular DNG files converted from Magic Lantern RAW files.

See http://nofilmschool.com/2013/07/magic-lantern-dng-raw-files-supported-davinci-resolve-9-1-5/ (http://nofilmschool.com/2013/07/magic-lantern-dng-raw-files-supported-davinci-resolve-9-1-5/)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Rolfe Klement on August 04, 2013, 03:26:19 AM
This might be me missing something obvious.

I set the 5d to record at 30fps - it says 27.something in exact FPS at 1600*900

I bring the DNGs into resolve and render out and it still runs normal speed.

The MOV files shows 24fps so I didn't bother conforming in FCPX

How do I get that slightly slow motion feeling (24/30speed) with RAW?

It works fine with H264 on the camera...

thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on August 05, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
I don't use final cut pro so I have no idea. However if it is similar to after effects it may be an issue with the way FCPX interprets the dng sequence. In AE when I import a dng sequence it comes in at 30 FPS regardless of what it was actually shot at. If I create a 24 FPS comp and add the footage it will playback realtime. That is because AE recognizes that it is a different frame rate and converts if from 30 FPS to 24 FPS to maintain realtime playback, most of the time this is the behavior you want. If I wanted the dng sequence to play back slower at 24 FPS instead of 30 FPS I have to change the frame rate of the dng sequence to 24 FPS and add it to a 24 FPS comp. Now AE thinks that both comp and footage are 24 FPS and the footage will playback slower.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Redrocks on August 07, 2013, 02:11:17 PM
In AE when I import a dng sequence it comes in at 30 FPS regardless of what it was actually shot at.

There's a setting in the import section of AE preferences - Sequence footage - the fps you choose there is your default.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Rolfe Klement on August 07, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2 need fir file
Post by: FartingPuppyProductions on August 08, 2013, 07:27:29 AM
I dont have a mac and would like to use the new firmware for a 7d. I am using it in a 5d but would love to have the 7d fir file. Please someone ;) pls send it to me at genegreenwood@me.com
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2 need fir file
Post by: Doyle4 on August 08, 2013, 11:36:36 AM
I dont have a mac and would like to use the new firmware for a 7d. I am using it in a 5d but would love to have the 7d fir file. Please someone ;) pls send it to me at genegreenwood@me.com

You need to go the 7D post in RAW section this post is under.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 08, 2013, 01:30:42 PM
What is Flexible info screen? cant find anything to do with it in the ML menu.

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on August 08, 2013, 01:58:45 PM
@Doyle4
Prefs>Config file>Restore ML defaults
Restart
Info
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 08, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
@Doyle4
Prefs>Config file>Restore ML defaults
Restart
Info

@a.d
Thanks man!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 08, 2013, 04:01:46 PM
Dont know whats changed in latest build but im now getting 83-92mb Write speed on my Trancend 1000x 32gb on my mkii :D

Update: Just got 97.9mb Write!! Super good :D was previously getting 69-70..

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F33m8ymg.jpg&hash=1024f9e2c4d6f457329b1d5156c2fd39)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: krummi on August 08, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Does anybody have experience with the VAF-5D2B?

Aliasing and moire and just false detail in general is really holding back some of the deep focus stuff I like doing, but at the same time I also like shooting with wide lenses and I know that was an issue with the original model which they say they have fixed in the "B" revision. I'd really like to hear from somone who has shot with it, especially in RAW as I don't know at this point if I should sink more money into the MKII or save up for the MKIII
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on August 08, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
A.d., what have you done!? 8mb/s more write! Wow awesome job man.

I'll test with my komputerbay 32gb 1000x soon.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: kgv5 on August 08, 2013, 05:54:04 PM
Does anybody have experience with the VAF-5D2B?

Aliasing and moire and just false detail in general is really holding back some of the deep focus stuff I like doing, but at the same time I also like shooting with wide lenses and I know that was an issue with the original model which they say they have fixed in the "B" revision. I'd really like to hear from somone who has shot with it, especially in RAW as I don't know at this point if I should sink more money into the MKII or save up for the MKIII

hi
check my VAF-6D thread in hardware and accessories, i believe vaf-6d is technically the same as vaf-5d2b, just little different shape. Wide lenses works very well, i tried with tokina 11-16 and sigma 24 1.8. It can be little soft in the corners when wide open but it is much better than the first vaf-5d version (as seen in philip bloom review) I put the link to my dropbox where you could find 6d vs 5d3 raw dng frames. in terms of aliasing and other artifacts they look the same imho.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: krummi on August 08, 2013, 06:05:45 PM
I'll check it out, thank you very much!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: noix222 on August 08, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
a.d is rocking !!!  8)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cosmo.lv on August 09, 2013, 01:37:31 AM
taking video in crop mode 1920x720 with latest build it is almost impossible to record normal video, every 2 or third shot is unusable. For me it looks like some code problems of proper frame ordering, it packs .RAW file with errors of frame order. maybe buffer issue, not enougt power or speed to calculate this process... ;)

Sample video:




Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Lukasz on August 09, 2013, 01:54:26 AM
Same here


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: neopixel on August 09, 2013, 02:35:56 AM
exact same thing here; I'm also having this same issue with Alex's build when shooting with fps override and taking pictures in silent mode
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 09, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
This looks like you used 10x mode, which is known not to work. Stick to 5x.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cosmo.lv on August 09, 2013, 01:34:47 PM
This looks like you used 10x mode, which is known not to work. Stick to 5x.

Ou... Thanks, sad that it not work. :( (going back to  07.11 release :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 09, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
Going back?! why?!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: SpcCb on August 09, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Same problem here, like I explained page #42 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.msg62034#msg62034) a couple of day ago. :-\

Since some days I switched to the unified nightly build (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3072.0) to use RAW + OFPS. It works fine, even if in title it says 'not for RAW' (&, it's a detail but I prefer OSD informations placement in this release).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on August 09, 2013, 04:41:37 PM
Dont know whats changed in latest build but im now getting 83-92mb Write speed on my Trancend 1000x 32gb on my mkii :D

Update: Just got 97.9mb Write!! Super good :D was previously getting 69-70..

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F33m8ymg.jpg&hash=1024f9e2c4d6f457329b1d5156c2fd39)

Well I've tested with my card and I don't get an increase. My komputerbay 32gb 1000x does 105mb/s max on my read and it goes to just a bit above 90mb/s.

Is it my card? Other people are you guys experiencing the same with my card?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Yaros525 on August 09, 2013, 07:25:21 PM
Oh wow, apparently Magic A1ex digged Dual ISO (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.msg65467#msg65467) for our beloved 5D2.

So, we will get new build soon, a.d. ? ))
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 09, 2013, 10:45:37 PM
Hey guys, so how do we use this dual ISO thing.   I see in the menu, but when I record I don't see two streams in the files.  New to this ISO thing.

thanks
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 02:48:28 AM
Well I've tested with my card and I don't get an increase. My komputerbay 32gb 1000x does 105mb/s max on my read and it goes to just a bit above 90mb/s.

Is it my card? Other people are you guys experiencing the same with my card?

Im not sure what i did to get this as i have never got above 70mb again... an odd one indeed.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 02:49:24 AM
YESSSS!!! Dual Iso on the MKii !!

Thanks you A1ex  ;D


Is there a Mac verison for cr2hdr?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 03:00:53 AM
Before i post in the Bug section am i doing something wrong or is there something wrong?

Iv installed latest build with Dual Iso function, reset to Magic Lantern Deafault and Manual Mode wont allow me to change any settings.
Dual Iso disabled i still cant and Auto Exposure is disabled too..

Any help would be great thanks.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 10, 2013, 03:49:58 AM

Did some tests on the dual ISO and heres some quirks. Also posted this on the dual iso for 5d3 and 7D thread but maybe this is something a.d. can fix for the 5d2 compile.

1. after activating dual iso, i can take 1 shot with it then the following shots are normal cr2. I did not turn on alternate.
I sometimes take the card out and back before I can take a dual iso shot. Sometimes reboot cam will work sometimes not.
or I will download the cr2 via usb cable. after downloading i will take another shot, they will not be in dual iso. looking at ML menu dual iso is still at ON.

2. changing the recovery ISO has a bug, after entering submenu i can change it to 3200 for example. exiting sub menu I can see the the dual iso reads 100/1600 still.

I have no problems using dual iso with my 7D.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 10, 2013, 08:50:14 AM
@ a.d.

could you also add in your first post info about cr2hdr.exe that the folder holding the cr2hdr.exe + dcraw.exe + exiftool.exe
should have a simple file name and no special char as the cr2hdr.exe won't convert if the file name is "complex."
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on August 10, 2013, 09:30:54 AM
@ted
updated

@Doyle4
I've already tried to port to OSX , but it didn't work. Exiftool seems to be the culprit.

Code: [Select]
Input file     : /Users/ad/Desktop/dualiso/DUAL3473.CR2
Full size      : 5792 x 3804
Active area    : 5634 x 3753
White level    : 12400
Black borders  : 158 left, 51 top
Black level    : 970
ISO pattern    : BddB GBRG
Estimating ISO difference...
ISO difference : 4.95 EV (3090)
Black delta    : 4.16
Interpolation  : mean23-chroma5x5-contrast
Matching brightness...
Looking for hot pixels...
Hot pixels     : 876
Full-res reconstruction...
Alias filtering...
Dark chroma filtering...
Building contrast map...
Dilating contrast map...
Smoothing contrast map...
ISO overlap    : 4.1 EV (approx)
Black adjust   : -3
Output file    : /Users/ad/Desktop/dualiso/DUAL3473.DNG
sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
Exiftool didn't work
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: avasarin on August 10, 2013, 10:03:07 AM
Hi everyone.
I noticed some strange "flickering" while something crossed the frame (ex. somebody passing trough the shot). It's like the WB and exposure go crazy for one second.
But this happen only when I postprocess the RAW files with After effects. With Davinci nothing happend and everything works fine.
Has anybody notice that? I use AE CS5.5.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 10:43:21 AM


@Doyle4
I've already tried to port to OSX , but it didn't work. Exiftool seems to be the culprit.

Thanks for trying man, ill download parallels again, thanks for the work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 11:19:13 AM
Dual Iso problem gone now, i deleted all cfg in modules and seems to of sorted it, i dont think i fully removed the old saved one.

Also, have some testing of dual iso, i must say its incredible... great find and amazing to see it on my 5Dmkii  8) i was pretty jealous of the mkiii n 7D owners ha.


UPDATE: When file name is set too DUAL9688 the exiftool comes up with an error saying cant find DesktopY when the file name is normal or changed to a single number it says Desktop and proceeds to convert. Also finding if dragging over more than one file to batch convert the same error happens.

Actual Error: File not found - C:/Users/Doyle/Desktop/cr2hdrY.@, No files Updated, 1 files werent updated due to errors,

Happens all the time on Batch convert even with a simple name.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 10, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
Why does the newest build Aug 9th come up as Aug 5 969929a55d5d+ in camera ML Interface Menu, is that a bug and shouldn't it come up as a844c5e3a60e in camera?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on August 10, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
I think it's an info bug in my changeset, but it's the latest.
Code: [Select]
changeset:   8019:a844c5e3a60e
branch:      unified
tag:         tip
user:        alex@thinkpad
date:        Fri Aug 09 17:45:44 2013 +0300
summary:     cr2hdr: disable scaling when correcting black level, update exif info instead (fixes converting files with black level other than 2048)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 10, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
I'm super happy to see dual ISO here! Hope that you will find a way to bring this to mac soon :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 10, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
RAW videos obviously can't be shot with dual ISO, yet. Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 10:38:09 PM
RAW videos obviously can't be shot with dual ISO, yet. Or am I missing something?

Photo only atm dude like the 7D, but agreed, Dual Iso is incredible!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 10, 2013, 10:38:43 PM
I'm super happy to see dual ISO here! Hope that you will find a way to bring this to mac soon :)

I tried to convert it using Winebottle and no joy, currently using Parallels.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: chadsky on August 11, 2013, 09:00:23 AM
Hello colleagues! And where you can read about the work of the video with dual ISO ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pravdomil on August 11, 2013, 01:15:23 PM
https://www.google.cz/search?q=dual+iso
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 11, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
I know this might be a dumb question but with the dramatic progress you guys have accomplish with ML coding I have to ask, is there anyway to get some kind of clean Slow Motion from the 5D Mark II or is the DiGiC inside too slow. Whats the highest possible FPS could we get out of the Mark II? Thanks for every thing you guys do for us Mark II users, we are able to use 70-80% of 5D Mark III functions and that make life in independent production a little more easier.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 11, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
I remember canon showing off 50/60fps on the mkii but i think the camera overheated very quickly, too get a slow motion look on the mkii try this..

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 11, 2013, 07:37:02 PM
I'm only getting ML Grayscale Preview in 5x Zoom mode, is this normal behavior?

It means I can't squeeze out 1856 x 1044 in non-cropped shooting (just below the 77.7 MB/s required for continuous at 23.976 FPS) but can in 5x Zoom mode (with ML Grayscale).

On the latest build :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: rizziriz on August 12, 2013, 05:26:21 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a way to make 5x Crop Mode work without having the Live View reframe and just resizing the framing guide? I'm sure you geniuses have already thought of this, and if so, simply ignore this post except for this:

The raw module is the single greatest invention in the history of home video.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: FabledSpectrum on August 12, 2013, 06:52:46 AM
First dual ISO test: 100/1600.
Amazing results so far!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/100126311@N05/
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 12, 2013, 07:19:35 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a way to make 5x Crop Mode work without having the Live View reframe and just resizing the framing guide? I'm sure you geniuses have already thought of this, and if so, simply ignore this post except for this:

Use the HAcked or ML grayscale preview in the RAW menu for correct framing in 5x crop, its not perfect because the resolution takes a drop and as far as I know it doesn't work while recording but its a start. 

Quote
The raw module is the single greatest invention in the history of home video.
You are damn right it is!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 12, 2013, 11:08:19 AM
I remember canon showing off 50/60fps on the mkii but i think the camera overheated very quickly, too get a slow motion look on the mkii try this..


Thanks for the response and video guide, I will test it out. I think I understand what he means by the movement needs to be very slow but I wish he show an example on a secon camera, I'll get it thanks again.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 12, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
Took me a while to to understand what he ment, so i tried see where thr images where and when moving... he shoots around 24 photos in burst mode,
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 12, 2013, 12:06:17 PM
Thought id show some samples on the new Dual Iso.

I set the camera to take two pictures, one Dual Iso and then normal.
Images are not edit to look nice, iv edited them to see how much detail i can now keep using Dual Iso if i need too.
Blacks, Contrast and Shadow is all i tweaked, i made sure i had both selected in ACR so each image had identical settings.

.... Dual Iso is amazing!!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2F2dvls1e.jpg&hash=287152847e7b5e4a5b34c948a4b889bc)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F2zrmdc0.jpg&hash=9264e1876c791f45e6bedcb4fe75db00)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: rizziriz on August 12, 2013, 03:19:23 PM
Use the HAcked or ML grayscale preview in the RAW menu for correct framing in 5x crop, its not perfect because the resolution takes a drop and as far as I know it doesn't work while recording but its a start. 

Thanks! Please check out my latest short, shot entirely raw.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 12, 2013, 04:07:14 PM
Wow, awesome story, grade, edit, photography, in short - great short!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 12, 2013, 08:01:20 PM
Really good job! In one day only!


Anyway, the dual iso looks terrific.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: oddname on August 12, 2013, 08:14:47 PM
Anyone knowing if dual iso raw video will be possible on the 5d2? :)
Or hardware just too old and slow?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on August 12, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Anyone knowing if dual iso raw video will be possible on the 5d2? :)
Or hardware just too old and slow?

you can do raw dual iso video on the 5d2 :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: oddname on August 12, 2013, 08:46:34 PM
How? Afaik dual iso on the 5D2 only works in photo mode not video?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Francis on August 12, 2013, 09:03:45 PM
Dual ISO raw video did not work for me. Only did 1 test though.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: oddname on August 12, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
Someone that claim it works, feel free to tell how too, if it does indeed works :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: danielcreed on August 12, 2013, 10:46:29 PM
hmm i think you're right, i presumed it would work, my bad !
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: oddname on August 12, 2013, 11:02:19 PM
If it doesn't use up more memory/cycles it should be possible in time then with some luck :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 13, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
Dual Iso is Photo only on the 5Dmkii, like the 7D,

it also tells you when Raw video is enabled and Dual Iso is.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: oddname on August 13, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
As in atm or forever? Would be sweet if it will work in videomode too someday :)
Or forget about it and go mk3 that is planned :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dima510 on August 13, 2013, 03:50:40 PM
i shot a test CR2 with dual ISO 100/1600. when i drag it over cr2hdr.exe, it comes back with the message "Doesn't look like interlaced ISO". however, if i open the file in ACR it clearly shows the interlaced exposures. can someone help? what is going wrong? thanx!!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on August 13, 2013, 07:48:59 PM
@oddname
dual iso videomode: I think, we suffer enough of aliasing and moire on 5D2. :o
For now, I'm quite happy what a1ex done for us.

@dima510
underexposure?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on August 13, 2013, 10:55:24 PM
Is anyone else still having problems shooting with an external monitor? Each time I try shooting raw the camera crashes when it finishes recording and must be rebooted.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 14, 2013, 03:03:24 AM
i shot a test CR2 with dual ISO 100/1600. when i drag it over cr2hdr.exe, it comes back with the message "Doesn't look like interlaced ISO". however, if i open the file in ACR it clearly shows the interlaced exposures. can someone help? what is going wrong? thanx!!

Make sure u expose as u normaly would, also make sure the image is in the same folder as all 3 .exe's
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 14, 2013, 08:06:05 AM
Is anyone else still having problems shooting with an external monitor? Each time I try shooting raw the camera crashes when it finishes recording and must be rebooted.
Do you use a HDMI monitor or an Android device via USB?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a59192 on August 14, 2013, 10:33:21 AM
i shot a test CR2 with dual ISO 100/1600. when i drag it over cr2hdr.exe, it comes back with the message "Doesn't look like interlaced ISO". however, if i open the file in ACR it clearly shows the interlaced exposures. can someone help? what is going wrong? thanx!!

I also have the same problem, some files can not be resolved ...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a59192 on August 14, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
i shot a test CR2 with dual ISO 100/1600. when i drag it over cr2hdr.exe, it comes back with the message "Doesn't look like interlaced ISO". however, if i open the file in ACR it clearly shows the interlaced exposures. can someone help? what is going wrong? thanx!!

I found the color gamut sRGB changed by the AdobeRGB, untied high chance, mainly for this reason it?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: matthieu on August 14, 2013, 05:37:05 PM
Is anyone else still having problems shooting with an external monitor? Each time I try shooting raw the camera crashes when it finishes recording and must be rebooted.
i am still on 2013/07/25 build.  However - i do have this problem with a smallHD dp6.
I found a "work around" - unplug the monitor to start with, record one RAW.  Plug it back in and it doesn't crash anymore.  At least with me.  Also i figured out, that even though it crashed - the files were recorded.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pysznie on August 14, 2013, 06:30:19 PM
"i shot a test CR2 with dual ISO 100/1600. when i drag it over cr2hdr.exe, it comes back with the message "Doesn't look like interlaced ISO". however, if i open the file in ACR it clearly shows the interlaced exposures. can someone help? what is going wrong? thanx!!"


Turn of Video Raw Module. EttR etc. - Leave only Dual ISO module autoloaded with the start of camera and ML

btw MY SETINGS in Dual iso menu:

Recovery ISO : +6 EV
Dynamic Range Gained 2.8 EV
Midtone overlaping 7 EV
ALternate Frames Only OF
Custom File Prefix DUAL


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on August 14, 2013, 09:15:56 PM
i am still on 2013/07/25 build.  However - i do have this problem with a smallHD dp6.
I found a "work around" - unplug the monitor to start with, record one RAW.  Plug it back in and it doesn't crash anymore.  At least with me.  Also i figured out, that even though it crashed - the files were recorded.

Thanks! I will try this out. My monitor, like yours, is HDMI.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 15, 2013, 12:33:32 PM
Is the  Magic Lantern Video format (.mlv) for Mark II and how do you install it, because I don't see it in recent build?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: gnarr on August 15, 2013, 03:42:09 PM
the mlv implementation is not finished yet and hasn't been optimized for 5D2 at all. g3gg0 is still adding features to the format and making it stable for the 5D3. When he has reasonably stable code it will be adapted for 5D2.
The mlv2dng converter is also under heavy development now and needs a lot of work before really being usable.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 15, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
Galdessa Camp 5DII RAW, HDR RAW and h.264 video
Here is our latest addition to the ML RAW portfolio, although there is some h264 footage in there too… even some coming from the t3i, mainly because we’re still stuck with a single 16gb 400x card, two 1000x 64 gb cards are coming next week, so things will be easier soon!
We graded this with Filmconvert Pro, its is the first time we implemented this plugin and I must say it is also the first time I am happy with a color preset and it really speeds up the grading process and takes out a bit of the guesswork, therefore great plugin. Conveniently there is a competition over at filmconvert pro so we of course submitted this video, therefore if you think we deserve it please head over there and give us a vote, a like or a tweet, we’ll love you for it! http://www.FilmConvert.com/Competition/Video.aspx?id=169
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Zao on August 16, 2013, 12:07:04 AM
Can certainly tell the difference between RAW and H.264 but amazing footage none the less. I doubt the general public would see any difference.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 16, 2013, 03:20:56 AM
Can certainly tell the difference between RAW and H.264 but amazing footage none the less. I doubt the general public would see any difference.

Yep... the difference is scary! And sadly I am guessing the general public will see it more then I'd like to admit. Also, try and show your client a rough cut before color grading and instead of going the extra mile and shooting RAW it will look like your screwing up things by still shooting h264 (and good luck explaining the differernce; what is bitrate anyway!? How much is that in megapixels???... why is the lion so blurry?)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 16, 2013, 03:34:49 AM
Nice video Africashot. Yes, if those washed out and soft shots are h264, then yes I can also tell the difference. ;) Magic Lantern has spoiled us. Now theres no turning back. ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: SpcCb on August 16, 2013, 02:14:10 PM
(...) why is the lion so blurry?
Because of atmospheric turbulence.
Sun heats ground, fresh air (I suppose it was filming at morning), so it makes big temperature gradient. We see light distortions through gradients (like through water/air), magnified by the small spacial sampling (relative long focal length apparently).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 16, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
I see in the new update the guys have made improvements on Focus Peaking, can some one explain what focus peaking is it just a better focus check other then using 5x 10x then focus?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dossisman on August 16, 2013, 02:42:02 PM
Here's a teaser for a music video I shot with my MarkII.  I used two 32GB Komputerbay x1000 cards, and they were great!

For post-processing I used fatpig's BATCHelor exclusively and it worked like a charm.  My workflow turned out pretty simple.  I'd edit with the Cineform proxies straight out of BATCHelor, then opened the timeline in After Effects, replaced footage with the DNG's, corrected, then applied FilmConvert.

Not a valid vimeo URL [/vimeo]
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 16, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
@a.d

Could you post that cr2hdr has been made for osx on front [age for us mac users :) Thanks man!

Working great!! is there a terminal line for multiple images please?

UPDATE: Solved, press space and add the next file name :) going to make this as a Automate Script, thanks again.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on August 16, 2013, 04:39:31 PM
@Doyle4
just added cr2hdr with gui:
* drag & drop
* multi files & folders!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 16, 2013, 06:23:35 PM
@Doyle4
just added cr2hdr with gui:
* drag & drop
* multi files & folders!

Thank you man! Very much appreciated!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 16, 2013, 08:09:29 PM


I can't fill the card with the latest build (31302bbc6461) and the 1.85 max resolution, it keep going down to 74,1/74,3 MB/s. 3 minutes recording maybe. I'm using the computerbay 64gb 1000X.

With 728e571a1276 it's a lot much stable. (74,6 or more)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 16, 2013, 11:59:28 PM
restore ML defaults, reboot camera
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 17, 2013, 03:06:31 AM
restore ML defaults, reboot camera

I'll try it. Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 17, 2013, 12:05:14 PM
I'll try it. Thanks!

Worked for me when a.d told me to that :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 17, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
@Doyle4
just added cr2hdr with gui:
* drag & drop
* multi files & folders!

I have a Mac and I'm having problem installing the cr2hdr on my Mac. Is there any way you can give me a step by step installation direction?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 17, 2013, 02:14:20 PM
Worked for me when a.d told me to that :)

It didn't work :( Can I use an older build for raw recording and the last build for dual iso? And what autoex.bin should I use?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Scipione205 on August 17, 2013, 03:56:53 PM
I'm not sure about the capabilities of MKII... I will shoot a short film this month, and I really want to shoot RAW but nobody in my city (who I know, in Brindisi Italy) has got the MKIII; I can find only MKII.

Is it possible to shoot continuous 1920 x 800 @23.976 fps ? I read on the main topic about 1880x840 at 24 fps so I thought that 1920x800@23.976 will be possible.

Anyone tried ?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 17, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
I'm not sure about the capabilities of MKII... I will shoot a short film this month, and I really want to shoot RAW but nobody in my city (who I know, in Brindisi Italy) has got the MKIII; I can find only MKII.

Is it possible to shoot continuous 1920 x 800 @23.976 fps ? I read on the main topic about 1880x840 at 24 fps so I thought that 1920x800@23.976 will be possible.

Anyone tried ?

1920 is not an option on the mkii. But it's not really a problem.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Scipione205 on August 17, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
what do you mean? I thought that since 1880x940 is supported for continuous shooting (which is 1'767'200 pixels), maybe 1920x800 would be (wich is 1'536'000 pixels, so about 231'200 pixels less).

That's only a simple tought, assuming that the MkII can handle the calculations (1920x800 isn't 'simpler' than 1880x940, due to bayern pattern etc.), and thinking only about the CF slot writing speed.

jeger
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 17, 2013, 05:43:48 PM
what do you mean? I thought that

1920 is simply not possible on mkii. You can find information about this limitation on the forum.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 17, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
Here's a teaser for a music video I shot with my MarkII.  I used two 32GB Komputerbay x1000 cards, and they were great!

For post-processing I used fatpig's BATCHelor exclusively and it worked like a charm.  My workflow turned out pretty simple.  I'd edit with the Cineform proxies straight out of BATCHelor, then opened the timeline in After Effects, replaced footage with the DNG's, corrected, then applied FilmConvert.

Not a valid vimeo URL [/vimeo]

Sounds interesting. What is a BATCHelor? I googled  it but nothing comes up.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 17, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
It didn't work :( Can I use an older build for raw recording and the last build for dual iso? And what autoex.bin should I use?

Not sure man, best to ask in the general chat section, i dont want to say go ahead and find it bricks your camera, as far as im aware the autobex.bin gets updated to allow the modules to work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 17, 2013, 07:04:10 PM
@a.d

On the cr2hdr is possible in future update to view activity log in the app as it process? i noticed it shows at the end but be nice to watch and see which files are been process correctly/incorrect like the windows version?

Thanks man and GUI version working sweet man.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: kidkaelen on August 17, 2013, 07:17:04 PM
Hey guys ive been searching all night and just made an account so I could post this. I just came back from a skatepark with amazing lighting, I shot all raw video on my mark ii at 1280x720 (16:9) ratio 24 fps... For some reason when I edit it in photoshop, save as tiff, then open in quicktime as sequence it looks extremely grainy.. I forgot to mention but I was shooting at iso 160 - 320 at times with a 1/50 shutter speed to 1/80. The standard video looked 100x better on my mac then this raw.. I know im doing something wrong but i just dont know what.. any suggestions? also incase you were wondering I was shooting with a 24-105L if that helps.. my memory card is a lexar 1000x 32 gb..
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 17, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
Also, in ML menu make sure that centre framing mode is set to x5 mode :)

Where is this setting ML? I can't find it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 17, 2013, 09:11:44 PM
ML = Magic Lantern, ML Menu = Magic Lantern Menu = press trash  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 18, 2013, 04:42:08 AM
ML = Magic Lantern, ML Menu = Magic Lantern Menu = press trash  :)

Thanks Doyle4. Is it in Focus Box Settings, where Snap Points should be set to: Center to x5 RAW?

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 18, 2013, 04:43:19 AM
When I start shooting RAW, the (white) resolution guide box goes away and comes back 10 seconds later. Is there a way to make it stay and not disappear as soon as REC is pressed? 
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 18, 2013, 02:49:05 PM
Thanks Doyle4. Is it in Focus Box Settings, where Snap Points should be set to: Center to x5 RAW?

Yeah should be in there, cant remember my self as i don't use it much at all.

Focus box disappearing, again im not 100% dude. sorry.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cmac on August 18, 2013, 04:06:35 PM
Is it possible to shoot continuous 1920 x 800 @23.976 fps ? I read on the main topic about 1880x840 at 24 fps so I thought that 1920x800@23.976 will be possible.

The resolution You mention is not an option. However a 1920x084 can be set in ZOOM mode - 5X.
The closest at 1X is 1880x786 - which also is normal to use.

What to use is up to You. I think that the scaled picture is just as good + the benefit of using the lens at normal 1x ratio.

Both are giving me continius - with Transcend 1000x 16GB card - first is 62Mb/s the second is lower.

Images are in the spoiler
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First is the scaled 1880 image:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoomdesign.bg%2Fml%2F1880x768.jpg&hash=73912cb1aa37abab8ed26e1fcafb8a28)
And then little cropped 1920 image:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zoomdesign.bg%2Fml%2F1920x804.jpg&hash=830b056728cb7ea746c692f800113252)
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Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 18, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
Is there a way to disable the creation of ProRes 4444 in the raw2dng from the first page? I'm on a Mac and Son of Batch is slower. Or should I use this raw2dng instead? http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0

Which one is better?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 18, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
Open up RAW2DNG, drop the application into it, you will be asked if you want a workflow and proress.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 18, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
Open up RAW2DNG, drop the application into it, you will be asked if you want a workflow and proress.

This doesn't work on the one from the first page. Only on this one ---> http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5508.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 19, 2013, 12:51:07 AM
thats the version you need dude!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Scipione205 on August 19, 2013, 07:59:08 AM
The resolution You mention is not an option. However a 1920x084 can be set in ZOOM mode - 5X.
The closest at 1X is 1880x786 - which also is normal to use.

What to use is up to You. I think that the scaled picture is just as good + the benefit of using the lens at normal 1x ratio.

Both are giving me continius - with Transcend 1000x 16GB card - first is 62Mb/s the second is lower.
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Yeah I think I got it: it's impossible to record raw 1920xsomething, the maximum in 1x is 1880x786 wich I can upscale to 1920x800 ; or I can record in crop mode 5x at 1920x804 (then I have to crop 4 pixels).

The 5x is ok only If I can borrow super narrow and super fast lenses (I want cine-depth of field and there are a lot of action scenes with narrow lenses), and that's quite impossible.

I'm not sure if upscaling will work well... we have already the moiré... but the RAW dynamic range is awesome... :'(

Anybody can tell me where I will find why 1920xsomething is not an option? I know that it's a software limitation but I'ms truggling in finding something in the forum.

Thanks you're awesome
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 19, 2013, 09:26:51 AM
Many pages back, there is a description about what you ask.

The 5D2 encodes the H.264 material directly from an internal RAW-buffer. This RAW buffer is the one ML (=magic lantern) reads and directly saves to the CF card. And this buffer has only those 1880 pixels.
That means: H.264 is also upscaled, but inside the camera! So, you may beleave it's true 1080p, but it isn't!

I would always rather take the 1880 RAW material and upscale it outside the camera. It will always and definitely look better than H.264!

By the way: On the 5D3, this internal RAW buffer is 1080p. So, it's not upscaled to encode H.264. That's also the reason why this cam can save 1080p RAW without crop.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 19, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
Hey guys,

Just saw a recent posting asking how to disable the prores option in RAWDNG, just wondering, is there an option to ONLY make the prores files?

thanks for the help!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 19, 2013, 12:35:25 PM
Hey guys,

Just saw a recent posting asking how to disable the prores option in RAWDNG, just wondering, is there an option to ONLY make the prores files?

thanks for the help!

Not too sure why you want this option when shooting RAW but let it convert and delete the folder with the RAW dng's? the proress option is there for backup/preview smaller file to work with.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 19, 2013, 12:59:20 PM
I would like this option so I can do my edit, then export and edl, using that edl I'll know which are the only DNGs I'll need to convert from RAW.  Is just to my edit.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 19, 2013, 01:27:05 PM
the RAW file will still need converting to produce DNG's
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on August 19, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
@Scipione205 up-scaling 1880 to 1920 at %2 increase will work just fine, that is exactly what the camera does when shooting normal h.264 video. The 1880 pixel limit is not a limit of RAW shooting it is a limit with shooting video on the mkII(unless 5X crop which is not even an option for normal video). So until raw video all video out of the mkII was up-scaled to 1920. I am willing to bet that you cannot even tell the difference between 1880 and 1880 up-scaled to 1920, in terms of quality.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Scipione205 on August 19, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
@guentergunter

Thank you very much. Now it's perfectly clear. Maybe is because of the 1880 buffer and upscaling (then in-camera H264) that MkII has badder moiré than MkIII?

@guentergunter @bnvm

Thank you very much, you people are wonderful.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 19, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
 
@guentergunter
Maybe is because of the 1880 buffer and upscaling (then in-camera H264) that MkII has badder moiré than MkIII?
No. Aliasing (and thus moiré) always any only occurs, when you skip lines.

In other words: Your 5D2 has 5616 columns and 3744 rows (→ 5616 x 3744 = 21026304 pixels total) of arranged silicon semiconductors which by light induce an electric voltage that is then interpreted by some mathematical logic behind to produce an image.

The very problem is, that semiconductors can only detect the intensity of light, but not it's color.
The solution: A Bayer filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter)!
That means: Every one of those 21026304 pixels, your 5D2 sensor has, consists of four silicon semiconductors.

Let's now imagine a white item in from of a dark background that moves quite slowly in front of your camera. It will then first be detected by e.g. a semiconductor with a green filter, then one with a blue filter and so on. So, it always happens, that an item for a short period of time (and sadly often enough the very moment you shot) only covers half of the arranged four semiconductors which form a pixel.
So, only the green or blue or red semiconductor induces voltage and thus the mathematical logic behind means it's a green or blue or red item.
When the item moves ahead, it will cover more and more pixels completely, but at it's border, it will always just cover parts of pixels, as well.
The logical misinterpretation resulting in those wrong colored pixels at the edge of objects is what is called aliasing.
Moiré is an addition: It means that those pixels form patterns like e.g. colored streaks.


To prevent aliasing, you need to blur the light that reaches your sensor, so that it always fills one pixel completely.
In other words: Every digital camera has a blur filter in addition to the bayer filter in front of it's sensor.
And this only works for just the very resolution the sensor has.
So, when you now record a movie with 1920x1080 pixels from a sensor that has 5616x3744 pixels you have three options:

1) You only take the part in the middle of the sensor that matches your resolution.
→ no more aliasing; but higher crop factor

2a) You only read every second or third or even seldom pixel (= skip pixels/lines).
→ aliasing pops up, since the blur filter doesn't match your resolution anymore; but no higher crop

2b) You still read every second or third or even seldom pixel, but you implement a by voltage controllable variable blur filter.
→ no aliasing and no crop!

3) You take the full image from the sensor and downscale it by software on the fly in the camera before encoding.
→ no aliasing and no crop!


RED as an example uses method 1). That's why decreasing the recorded resolution increases the crop factor.

The 5D3 has one of those crazy by voltage controllable variable blur filters. That's why this camera uses the same sensor size for photos and video (no crop) and has no aliasing.

The 5D2 has none of these solutions from stock, so there is aliasing (in video).
But there's hope: The aliasing filter from mosaic engineering (http://www.mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf/5d2.html)


Any questions left? ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cmac on August 19, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
@Scipione205
In fact I did some tests in 5x vs 1x mode, and the moire in 5x is less.
There are some factors to is - while in 5x mode You record EACH following line, in 1X mode You record each 5th line - still the four lines You skip are scanned meanwhile, so the lag is more and the moire is more pronounced. You can skip moire if You keep the focus at the edge - if it's ok for You to sharpen in post, but You will loose fine texture as well.
The explanation from @guentergunter is just wonderful, and if You haven't checked the pictures I can just say that even 1600x800 I use to shoot scales and looks extremly well on a FullHD plasma. Jus keep the color and dynamic well balanced and the CMOS clean - and forget about resolution!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dossisman on August 20, 2013, 12:00:30 AM
Sounds interesting. What is a BATCHelor? I googled  it but nothing comes up.

Alexp, here's the link.  Hope this helps.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5645.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 20, 2013, 07:06:15 AM
Thanks dossisman.

Guys, raw2dmg just deleted my raw files and failed to create dmgs. Is there any way to recover the raw files?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 20, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
Hey guys, is there a guide anywhere on how to shoot dual iso in the 5d?  all I'm getting after setting up dual iso and hdr video is either RAW or regular H264 with the flicker.  Any suggestions?

thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 20, 2013, 11:34:15 AM
Hey guys, is there a guide anywhere on how to shoot dual iso in the 5d?  all I'm getting after setting up dual iso and hdr video is either RAW or regular H264 with the flicker.  Any suggestions?

thanks!

Yes, Dual ISO is ONLY working in photo mode, not video on the 5D Mark II.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 20, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
DUH!!!, that explains it.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 20, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
Thanks dossisman.

Guys, raw2dmg just deleted my raw files and failed to create dmgs. Is there any way to recover the raw files?

Data rescue 3 on mac, add a file extension too it as RAW isnt deafult.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 20, 2013, 04:41:42 PM
Data rescue 3 on mac, add a file extension too it as RAW isnt deafult.

I tried, but it's not allowing me to. Take a look. (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fu%2F10164102%2Fraw.jpg&hash=7eb9773e96a9020aa25ac9623d06d238)

Also, I was able to recreate a situation where raw2dng deletes files without creating dmgs. Here is a screen recording https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10164102/raw.mov
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 20, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
Try this method.

Copy youre RAW files straight to your external from your CF card,

Start RAW2DNG, drag RAW2DNG into the application and when asked to set a working folder choose no.
Drag the RAW files from the external, this will create a folder for the dng's using the default path of the RAW files.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 20, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
Try this method.

Copy youre RAW files straight to your external from your CF card,

Start RAW2DNG, drag RAW2DNG into the application and when asked to set a working folder choose no.
Drag the RAW files from the external, this will create a folder for the dng's using the default path of the RAW files.

Yeah, I know. But right now, I'm still trying to recover files I lost :(((((
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 20, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
By the way, I couldn't find any way to receive email notifications about new posts here. How do you guys follow topics? I go to Profile, Summary, Show Posts, and then have to click on 10 different places where I posted messages before, just to see if anyone replied. Is there a better way?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 20, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
to be honest im not sure how they got deleted, never once came across this :/

At the top it now says Show new replies to your posts.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 20, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
Also, I was able to recreate a situation where raw2dng deletes files without creating dmgs. Here is a screen recording https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10164102/raw.mov
It's alarming, that raw2dng deletes files at all!
Thus creating the worst of all cases imaginable! The loss of files!
I would consider this as a really dangerous bug!

By the way: Did you ever encounter something like this with RAWMagic (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0)?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: alexp on August 21, 2013, 06:00:39 AM
It's alarming, that raw2dng deletes files at all!
Thus creating the worst of all cases imaginable! The loss of files!
I would consider this as a really dangerous bug!

By the way: Did you ever encounter something like this with RAWMagic (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0)?

I found my missing files! The were not deleted, but rather misplaced. The files ended up in /Volumes.
I explain it here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg68848#msg68848

Good bye raw2dmg, hello Son of Batch!  ;D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 21, 2013, 11:31:19 AM
Its the workflow option giving you the problem on RAW2DNG, dont create one, and RAW2DNG is best one i find :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 21, 2013, 05:53:40 PM
I have a Mac and I'm having problem installing the cr2hdr on my Mac. Is there any way you can give me a step by step installation direction?

Remove the terminal command version, and then install the pkg :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: NitromanX on August 22, 2013, 10:11:50 AM
So just to summarise ...

When shooting raw video with Canon 5D2, is moire / aliasing better than h.264 video or worse (without any VAF5D2) ?

Are there any video resolutions that are best to reduce moire / aliasing ?

 :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 22, 2013, 11:00:11 AM
So just to summarise ...

When shooting raw video with Canon 5D2, is moire / aliasing better than h.264 video or worse (without any VAF5D2) ?

Are there any video resolutions that are best to reduce moire / aliasing ?

 :)

To my eye, color aliasing and moire is a little worse in raw than h264. You can get much less aliasing and moire in crop mode. Any resolution.
With VAF, its much better BUT in crop mode the VAF softens the image. :)

Just shot this with VAF. Since I don't want to take out the vaf in the field i left it in during shots in crop mode. Crop mode shots are a bit soft but usable in this case.

Heres the charts I posted earlier comparing raw and h264, w/ and w/o vaf.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 22, 2013, 11:23:20 AM
To my eye, color aliasing and moire is a little worse in raw than h264. You can get much less aliasing and moire in crop mode. Any resolution.
With VAF, its much better BUT in crop mode the VAF softens the image. :)

Just shot this with VAF. Since I don't want to take out the vaf in the field i left it in during shots in crop mode. Crop mode shots are a bit soft but usable in this case.

Heres the charts I posted earlier comparing raw and h264, w/ and w/o vaf.

Thanks for the much needed warning on Moire and Aliasing road block. How were you able to get 1880x1080 in 1x, What's your advice on the best aspect ratio with the most resolution and final what's your advice on scaling RAW?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on August 22, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
i am still on 2013/07/25 build.  However - i do have this problem with a smallHD dp6.
I found a "work around" - unplug the monitor to start with, record one RAW.  Plug it back in and it doesn't crash anymore.  At least with me.  Also i figured out, that even though it crashed - the files were recorded.

Actually, this worked for me once, but after that it still crashes every time. Nothing like having to reboot after every take lol. Oh well, I'll put the external away for now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 22, 2013, 03:44:35 PM
Thanks for the much needed warning on Moire and Aliasing road block. How were you able to get 1880x1080 in 1x, What's your advice on the best aspect ratio with the most resolution and final what's your advice on scaling RAW?

Just scale it in your NLE, we are talking 2-4% increase which will be negligible to your naked eye.

I only shoot in clean 16:9 aspect ratios so far, with a resolution of 1856 x 1044 (3,33% upscale for 1080p) or 1880 x 1058 (2,08% upscale to 1080p).

You just have to be aware of moire and aliasing, which I don't personally experience being a bigger problem in RAW versus H.264 record mode.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 22, 2013, 04:38:15 PM

Just shot this with VAF.

Did you use the latest build? (31302bbc6461) I'm having some problem with it and the 64GB komputerbay, speed is not stable and I'm not able to shoot continuos.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bokoussama on August 22, 2013, 06:29:01 PM
I have the KomputerBay CF Card 1000x 128Gb, i've shooted continously 1880 x 856 (2:35.1) with the Alpha version.
Now that i took the 15/08 Build, i can't shoot continously over 100 frames  :( ... i tried to go back but nothing to do, i still can't shoot over 100 frames :( Help please.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 22, 2013, 06:58:35 PM
I have the KomputerBay CF Card 1000x 128Gb, i've shooted continously 1880 x 856 (2:35.1) with the Alpha version.
Now that i took the 15/08 Build, i can't shoot continously over 100 frames  :( ... i tried to go back but nothing to do, i still can't shoot over 100 frames :( Help please.

After shooting three projects on a single 16gb 400x card at pretty much continuous 2:35.1 I finally got two 64gb 1000x Komputerbay cards which I have formatted and loaded with the latest built, a little voice in my head kept screaming "freedom - at last!" while packing for my trip back to Tsavo East National Park tomorrow - then I read your post and had a bit of an uncomfortable feeling and pulled the already packed 5D2 back out of its bag to do the test I should have done before packing it... its maxing out at +- 600 frames pretty much every time... that's worse then my 400x card used to do!!!  I hope there is a way to get the old speed back...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 22, 2013, 07:31:55 PM
It seems that I'm not the only one having problem with latest build+komputerbay  :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 22, 2013, 08:11:32 PM
Just formatted all the cards and went back to the 50f68ce14a69 built I had been using for a while, 2:35.1 'continuous ok' - I think I'll have a peaceful sleep up until my 4 am wake up call!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 22, 2013, 10:17:48 PM
Thanks for the much needed warning on Moire and Aliasing road block. How were you able to get 1880x1080 in 1x, What's your advice on the best aspect ratio with the most resolution and final what's your advice on scaling RAW?

Using the latest build aug 16. from a.d.

I shot this at  1728 x 972 even in crop mode to make it fill up the screen easily in 16:9 1920 x 1080.
1728 x 972 is continuous on a 1000x komputerbay cf.

1872 x 936 and 1880 x 940 is also continuous at 2:1
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on August 23, 2013, 12:08:49 AM
Using the latest build aug 16. from a.d.

I shot this at  1728 x 972 even in crop mode to make it fill up the screen easily in 16:9 1920 x 1080.
1728 x 972 is continuous on a 1000x komputerbay cf.

1872 x 936 and 1880 x 940 is also continuous at 2:1

So your saying 1x 1728x972, 5x 1920x1080 in 16:9 and 1x 1872x936, 1880x940 is the best option in Aspect Ratio and Resolution? How far could you upscale it for professional viewing presentation?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on August 23, 2013, 06:03:13 AM
re: latest 16.08 build and speed on komputerbay 1000x 64gb card:
I was having massive speed reductions after the first update. I'd been mixing stills, H.264 video and raw at that point(on a single card) and I thought maybe reformatting and reinstalling could help. I formatted from my card reader, formatted in my 5d mii, reloaded ML onto the card and did the firmware update - the speed went back to continuous at 1728x972 which is what I shoot at.

So it's not exactly scientific but reformatting might possibly help.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 23, 2013, 06:51:22 AM
@ a.d.: Would it be possible to deactivate any recording frame as an option?
Actually you can choose between white and black; and I would really like to deaktivate it at all.

That's due to the fact, that I'm recording quite often with an external monitor attached, which makes the frames from ML still useless!
I glued my monitor like most other people do for correct framing as well, here the wrong borders are annoing.

P.S.: Correct frames would be much better than wrong and deactivated ones. But the former should be much easier to implement, I think...

I guess it's problem many people apply to.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 23, 2013, 06:58:32 AM
@ a.d.: Would it be possible to deactivate any recording frame as an option?
Actually you can choose between white and black; and I would really like to deaktivate it at all.

That's due to the fact, that I'm recording quite often with an external monitor attached, which makes the frames from ML still useless!
I glued my monitor like most other people do for correct framing as well, here the wrong borders are annoing.

P.S.: Correct frames would be much better than wrong and deactivated ones. But the former should be much easier to implement, I think...

I guess it's problem many people apply to.

when you attach an external monitor, choose ML grayscale in preview. :) no more off centered white rectangle. But images are still in color. :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 23, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
1872 x 936 and 1880 x 940 is continuous at 2:1 70.1/71mb/sec, strange how CF card 5min test only maxes out at 65mb now :/ Photomode and global draw off. least i got continuous though :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 23, 2013, 01:17:35 PM
Anyone else noticing file name changes? Dual Iso names stay when disabled and also my raw files are adding an extra number after each recording eg: M23-1307 then it will be M23-1309. Cheers
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 23, 2013, 02:51:26 PM
Ok, 50f68ce14a69 seems to be the most stable build if you're using komputerbay cards. I was able to get stable speed and continuous recording.

But just before changing the build I was trying to get the greyscale preview or the hacked one. I was *never* able to get those, no matter what I choose. What could be the problem?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 23, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
Ok, 50f68ce14a69 seems to be the most stable build if you're using komputerbay cards. I was able to get stable speed and continuous recording.

But just before changing the build I was trying to get the greyscale preview or the hacked one. I was *never* able to get those, no matter what I choose. What could be the problem?

I believe HaCked isn't functional on the 5D Mark II and that ML Grayscale only works in 5x Zoom.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 23, 2013, 06:25:32 PM
when you attach an external monitor, choose ML grayscale in preview. :) no more off centered white rectangle. But images are still in color. :)
Yeah! Works like a charm! Thanks for the hint :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 23, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
I believe HaCked isn't functional on the 5D Mark II and that ML Grayscale only works in 5x Zoom.

Oh. Now I understand. Thanks. Anyway I've forget to say that trying the hacked setting I've completely kill the screen. I had to put the card in the computer and delete config and all the build.

I think that the feature should be stripped out if it doesn't work.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 24, 2013, 10:12:07 AM
Hey guys,

Sorry if this was reported or resolved.  But I shot some stuff a couple of weeks ago, used the raw2dng, everything looks great in ACR, the ProRes files look good too.  Now, when I try to drop the dngs in Davinci, is not reading the files.  A few months ago, around late june, I was able to drop DNG files in Davinci and everything worked great, no problem.  Did anything change? am I doing anything wrong?

please help.

thanks!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on August 24, 2013, 10:45:44 AM
I checked with the previous shoots I've done and it seems to be a problem with the stuff I shot with either 7'th or 9th of August 5d2 build.  Shots from previous builds are loading fine.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: wared on August 24, 2013, 10:56:40 AM
hi all

could anyone give me some help to install properly this build on my 5d2, i want to use the dual iso feature

something like a tuto will be perfect...

usually i can make it on my own but i don't understand with this build

i'm trying since a week ,so i advance many thanx!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 24, 2013, 12:01:58 PM
hi all

could anyone give me some help to install properly this build on my 5d2, i want to use the dual iso feature

something like a tuto will be perfect...

usually i can make it on my own but i don't understand with this build

i'm trying since a week ,so i advance many thanx!

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: wared on August 25, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0

thank you doyle but i was able to find this one ans it didn't help me so much

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 25, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
What is it you would like to know?  :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: wared on August 26, 2013, 05:40:07 PM
why the package seems uncomplete?

i manage to activate the module on my camera but when i take a shot i have a picture with lines, did i miss something?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 26, 2013, 06:19:08 PM
why the package seems uncomplete?

i manage to activate the module on my camera but when i take a shot i have a picture with lines, did i miss something?

Yes, you need to download the cr2hdr (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads) program and convert the .CR2 pictures to DNGs.

And next time please look at the FAQ (http://www.magiclantern.fm/faq.html) or the white paper for Dual ISO (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 27, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
What's Arkanoid?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 27, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
What's Arkanoid?

This is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkanoid).
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 27, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
haha, i just realised this when i pressed it on my mkii  :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 27, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
its what you activate while waiting for your dngs to export proxies or master copy. :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on August 28, 2013, 01:23:43 AM
Hi All  :)
Just test the new Built (2013/08/27-8cf76a551872), And what the Heck happen :(
I See a Big Drop in performance, i can Only record 3800 to 4000 Frames @ 1856x1004 23.976
on Lexar 1000x 32GB card.
Before i install the new built i was on the July 11th built, and
on that one i was getting 8000 Frames plus @ 1856x1004 23.976p
So it looks like a 50% drop in performance speed! >:(
Its the same for my 64 GB Lexar 1000x card.
When back to the The July 11th bulit (5db91070a1aa) from A_D_
And my Speeds are Back up to 14,000 Frames @ 75.0 MB/s on 64 GB Card=42GB
& 8000 Frames on my 32 GB card @1856x1004 23.976p =30GB

So are we putting too Many Features at The Cost of Large Stable Frame Sizes?
Like 1856x1004 ??
I see no point and having all these features if you can not record Raw video at it
Max size! Continuous.

I will Stay on the  July 11th bulit (5db91070a1aa) from A_D_
Until I can see the Same or better performance @ 1856x1004.

Its nice to have lots of Features but for me, i only need Raw video  ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 02:57:53 PM
im getting continuous at 1880 2:1, try deleting ml config file and try again. i didnt know this trick a.d told me.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 02:59:15 PM
wish i had kept my crash logs from few weeks ago, my camera crashed and i did a cf test and i was hitting 91mb... never hit that since, could of been something in the log to see how it happend... i deleted them :( may do a file recovery and see what i can find.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
So it looks like a 50% drop in performance speed! >:(

Read this: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html

and then do the math; the difference in speed is likely 1%, not 50%. Make sure you use the exact same settings.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 03:34:03 PM
@A1ex,

Is it best to use 24fps over 23.976 shooting raw? if so is there a post with details please? had a search, found in one they say to use 24p with fps over ride but doesn't really say why, thanks :)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 03:36:35 PM
You set it like you would do on any other camera, nothing to do with raw.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 03:42:09 PM
Ahh ok cheers, iv been using 23.976 but spotted most people over ride to 24p, ill give it ago. Thanks again.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on August 28, 2013, 05:53:21 PM
Read this: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html

and then do the math; the difference in speed is likely 1%, not 50%. Make sure you use the exact same settings.
All my setting are the same, i Turn off everything, Dual ISO, Auto Exp. All the Feature were Disabled.
I tested this 5 Times just in case I made a mistake. And the results are the Same.

The Reason i Said 50% Drop, is i no longer maintain the same Captured Frames,
And i have exactly Half The numbers of frames that i had on the July 11 built !
at 1856x1004 23.976p 75.0MB/s
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
You can unload the modules you don't use, see if any of them is slowing it down.

Did you read that link? what settings did you use? (post the config file)

What other modules do you have loaded?

Did you turn off global draw? enabled small hacks?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 06:45:41 PM
Seems to be a big problem with this build... most of my images are all corrupt ill post samples now.. going back to last build and see if its the same. Photoshop CC also says that CR2's are not recognised by Photoshop. Update, can open upto 8 files at a time.

Samples:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2F154haoz.jpg&hash=c131dd8991a6275b107427c2fbcc8c41)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2Fouruqr.jpg&hash=611a7fd805b537087e86f1456fbcaa0d)

Dual ISO disabled, Auto Expo disabled

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2ujox0m.jpg&hash=b877ede1ca70aa0adcf7fab2750f21f2)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 07:23:42 PM
Update: Gone back to Aug 5th Build as that has good read and write speed, good new's is its not my camera that is broke!! Phew, so there seems to be something up with latest build, i thought i had pushed it to far and killed my sensor! good to know the mkii's ok :)

I have kept all CR2's if they are needed Dev's.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 07:27:54 PM
Find the first broken build (or, even better, the first broken changeset).

Also try this one: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D2.212/7/artifact/platform/5D2.212/magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug28.5D2212.zip

(I didn't try it, but will do tomorrow if you can't find it)

Also, I didn't do any speed tweaks lately, so why do you say aug 5 has good read and write speed?! It shouldn't have slowed down.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 07:36:34 PM
Cheers A1ex will try that one now.

The 16th Aug is the first one i have ever had problems with.

On the 5th Aug build i was hitting 97mb write on the 5min bench test. Iv just done one now and its the same as usual 68/70mb. think the test i did few weeks back was a lucky go.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 07:41:15 PM
Try compiling without this and see if it changes anything:

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/fa0ef0e6150f27c5e63ff6adb262766fa3f7a8dd
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 07:48:26 PM
Not one corrupt image on magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug28.5D2212.zip Thanks, took about 45 pics and all clean.

Ill be honest and say I dont have a clue how to compile, thank you for putting it across though and thanks for a working build.

In modules next to the names it says OldAPI wrong version, not sure if you knew or not.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 07:55:02 PM
Next, try the extras from the problematic build (maybe enable them one by one) and see which one breaks. I'm not sure what extras are there (autoexpo, arkanoid?)

Also try to unload the modules that you don't use (or unload all of them, then enable them one by one).

Once you isolate the thing that's causing the problem, we know what to do (reproduce and fix).

Quote
In modules next to the names it says OldAPI wrong version
All of them?!

Then, no modules were loaded, so the problem is caused by one of them.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 07:58:08 PM
okie doke, going to do that now.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a.d. on August 28, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
@reddeercity
you could delete the other modules which you don't use and copy back if you need it.
For RAW Video with minimal setup:
raw_rec + file_man and maybe ettr
@Doyle4
For Photo:
ettr + auto_expo+dual_iso+ file_man
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
Sorry i was meaning OldApi on the magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug28.5D2212.zip build before swapping with the 27th build.

autoexpo ok, ettr ok, rest are all OldApi (magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug28.5D2212.zip build)

magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug28.5D2212.zip with 27th extras

All ok apart from Pic View,

sounds stupid, but how do i disable a loaded module? cant see the option.

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 08:15:09 PM
@ a.d

ettr + auto_expo+dual_iso+ file_man modules were loaded but not enabled.

I enabled dual iso later on during the day but my first few images were standard.

@a.d, Sorry i get what you are saying now, dont load all modules, only ones you need for Photo or Video.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 08:34:57 PM
No corrupt images with v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug28.5D2212 and a.d's 27th Aug Modules with the game deleted from CF, all modules were enabled also.

Cant be the game can it?
ill do more testing tomorrow for sure though.

Thanks for all the help.

Update: Think its the RAW_rec module, i have corrupt raw frames, if it is the raw_rec module would it do that to the images i were taking? as a.d pointed out, i had all modules loaded.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 28, 2013, 11:42:48 PM
27th Build whilst recording in RAW the LCD glitches and flickers, im sure its to do witht eh rec module, sorry if im wrong. rest of the modules seem to be fine.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 28, 2013, 11:47:17 PM
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html

I have no idea what do you mean by "LCD glitches and flickers"...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 29, 2013, 12:49:05 AM
Sorry about that, iv read that so many times too.

Whilst filming in RAW mode i noticed the camera's back screen looked strobed effect for a split second or two, Here is an example of what happned sorry its a laptop but couldnt find one on a DSLR.

i know for sure auto brightness was off and set to manual also. i would film it but to be honest im scared it may ruin my sensor if i chose too, its the only camera i have im afraid.

Iv also formatted the card too and lost footage/photo's im afraid also, in another post i said i had them if you needed them, sorry about that  :-\
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: togg on August 29, 2013, 02:38:11 AM
Anyone with komputerbays could say if the last release has stable speed?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: teryoon on August 29, 2013, 04:48:05 AM
Is there any way at all to get around the 4gb limit thing?


That's the only thing I've been able to find with how to deal with that on a Mac. Everything else I see is for Windows. Is this actually the best/only thing I can do?

EDIT: I tried the cat command the person mentioned in the comments so I guess that's a better way to do all of this.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: hogarthhughes on August 29, 2013, 08:21:03 AM
Hi friends,

I've come upon a 5Dm2 and a 7D. I must sell one soon, but am tempted to see how the 7D raw turns out. Do you guys see the 7D surpassing the 5Dm2 possibly with it's dual processors and higher buff?

Ah I'm also torn because the 7D looks and feels so solid / modern!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 29, 2013, 08:42:11 AM
Is there any way at all to get around the 4gb limit thing?


That's the only thing I've been able to find with how to deal with that on a Mac. Everything else I see is for Windows. Is this actually the best/only thing I can do?

EDIT: I tried the cat command the person mentioned in the comments so I guess that's a better way to do all of this.

It's easy.


Example:
Code: [Select]
cat /Volumes/Scratch\ Disk/RAW/M29-0830.RAW /Volumes/Scratch\ Disk/RAW/M29-0830.R00 > /Volumes/Scratch\ Disk/RAW/M29-FINI.RAW
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: ted ramasola on August 29, 2013, 10:09:12 AM
Anyone with komputerbays could say if the last release has stable speed?

Latest build aug 27 stable. Almost same speed as aug 16.

Tested with Komputerbay 64gig and 256gig.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Ethan_Reitz on August 29, 2013, 10:16:33 AM
re. speed drops on updates. I know it doesn't help to isolate problem modules but I had a massive speed drop when I updated to the Aug. 16 build. (komputerbay 64gb) I couldn't find any problem module or setting when systematically shutting them down. I then decided to format the card on my card reader and re-install ml. That worked fine and speed returned to what it had been with the previous build.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: PressureFM on August 29, 2013, 12:29:40 PM
Goofing around with older builds, which I got faster write speeds with in normal 1x mode.

Tested several versions and went back to build 31302bbc6461 and for some reason I can't get continuous shooting in 3x mode now, as I used to. Stops recording as soon as it hits around 200 frames (running out of memory)?  :o

As an idiot I didn't save my earlier Magic Lantern installation ... so have to test them all now.


Update: Don't worry, I'm just an idiot. Forgot to enable FPS Override :P
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Mati on August 29, 2013, 03:01:10 PM

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: teryoon on August 29, 2013, 04:11:02 PM
It's easy.

  • Open Terminal
  • Write "cat"
  • Drag'n'drop the first Mxx-xxxx.RAW file onto Terminal
  • Drag'n'drop the next Mxx-xxxx.R00 file onto Terminal
  • Add all the other Mxx-xxxx.Rxx files into Terminal like above
  • Proceed to write ">"
  • Then write the destination file (I usually just drag'n'drop the first file ending in RAW and renaming it)
  • Push Enter and let the magic begin

Example:
Code: [Select]
cat /Volumes/Scratch\ Disk/RAW/M29-0830.RAW /Volumes/Scratch\ Disk/RAW/M29-0830.R00 > /Volumes/Scratch\ Disk/RAW/M29-FINI.RAW

Wow thank you so much! I had no idea you could just drag and drop the files like that hahaha. You're a life saver.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: mvejerslev on August 29, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
It would be so helpful if a dev could set an override on all the small hacks when RAW video is enabled and youre in live view, then revert back to whatever was set before when you switch out of live view. Reason is, I'm a still photographer, and there's so many hacks and settings to set before RAW video (to enable large enough buffer and consistent fps), and these are easy to forget and easy to forget to revert when shooting stills. Its bothersome and dangerous. Something like a Custom Setting would work.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 29, 2013, 07:39:01 PM
Is there any way at all to get around the 4gb limit thing?


That's the only thing I've been able to find with how to deal with that on a Mac. Everything else I see is for Windows. Is this actually the best/only thing I can do?

EDIT: I tried the cat command the person mentioned in the comments so I guess that's a better way to do all of this.

It's even easier:
RAWMagic (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0)
This programm creates dng files directly from spanned files. So, you don't need to 'cat' them first!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: teryoon on August 29, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
It's even easier:
RAWMagic (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0)
This programm creates dng files directly from spanned files. So, you don't need to 'cat' them first!

I don't have anything to test with right now since I'm not at home, but do I just drag the .RAW and .R00 file into the program or just the .RAW file? I actually use RAWMagic, I just had no idea it was capable of doing that.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: guentergunter on August 29, 2013, 10:52:34 PM
I don't have anything to test with right now since I'm not at home, but do I just drag the .RAW and .R00 file into the program or just the .RAW file? I actually use RAWMagic, I just had no idea it was capable of doing that.
Due to Apple's sandbox system you need to drag all the files. But then it'll work seamlessly  ;)
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: pysznie on August 30, 2013, 07:53:08 AM
Last Built 8cf76a551872

Thank You For DSLR arkanoid i was laughing to tears.

You made my day

I love you People !
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JulianH on August 30, 2013, 10:50:45 AM
Hey guys, I'm joining the 5D Mark II raw club :) Have been shooting with a 50D for a while but got a nice deal on a 5D II.

Installed the latest build yesterday, with my Komputerbay 64GB card i'm getting about 75Mb/s. I rarely record very long takes so 1880 or 1872 in 16:9 is quite usuable, which is nice!
Planning to use it for anamorphic at 1600x1250 as well. Will share some stuff soon!

Would love to see more real world examples of the VAF 5D2b in action on raw (preferably downloadable 1080p files). The aliasing is the only thing I don't like about the 5D2 raw...
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 30, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
Hey guys, I'm joining the 5D Mark II raw club :) Have been shooting with a 50D for a while but got a nice deal on a 5D II.

Installed the latest build yesterday, with my Komputerbay 64GB card i'm getting about 75Mb/s. I rarely record very long takes so 1880 or 1872 in 16:9 is quite usuable, which is nice!
Planning to use it for anamorphic at 1600x1250 as well. Will share some stuff soon!

Would love to see more real world examples of the VAF 5D2b in action on raw (preferably downloadable 1080p files). The aliasing is the only thing I don't like about the 5D2 raw...
Welcome to the club! You made me curious, what Anamorphic do you have / plan to get? Anamorphics have been bugging me for a long time, RAW seems ideal to harvest their full potential... but as you have pointed out a mosaic engineering filter should be the first investment!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JulianH on August 30, 2013, 12:20:21 PM
Welcome to the club! You made me curious, what Anamorphic do you have / plan to get? Anamorphics have been bugging me for a long time, RAW seems ideal to harvest their full potential... but as you have pointed out a mosaic engineering filter should be the first investment!
Thanks :)
I have too many anamorphics actually... ;) Kowa B&H (2x), ISCO Optic Ultrastar (2x), super small Petit Cinevision (1.5x), Iscomorphot 8/2x.
I have been using them with my Panasonic GH2 mostly. You can check my video's on Vimeo. (https://vimeo.com/user3681587/videos/)

Here's a video I shot with the Kowa B&H on the 50D in 4:3 raw:

And a clip I shot 3 months ago with the Kowa B&H on a borrowed 5D II:


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: a1ex on August 30, 2013, 02:56:09 PM
I've ran some speed tests and indeed, there was a roughly 2% speed drop from CONFIG_TSKMON.

But to say it was 50%?! That's trolling :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Africashot on August 30, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
Thanks :)
I have too many anamorphics actually... ;) Kowa B&H (2x), ISCO Optic Ultrastar (2x), super small Petit Cinevision (1.5x), Iscomorphot 8/2x.
I have been using them with my Panasonic GH2 mostly. You can check my video's on Vimeo. (https://vimeo.com/user3681587/videos/)

Here's a video I shot with the Kowa B&H on the 50D in 4:3 raw:
And a clip I shot 3 months ago with the Kowa B&H on a borrowed 5D II:

Thanks for posting! I wish I could say the same one day; having too many anamorphics I mean! Loved seeing the 50D perform here, off-topic: the location of that video; is it Arnhem?
Thanks again!
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JulianH on August 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM
It's Den Haag! Even though I have quite a few anamorphics, I'm still looking for other ones...  ::) Would love to have an Iscorama but prices have gone trough the roof. The days of the bargains are over or you have to be incredibly lucky. Not planning on keeping all the lenses I have either. After switching camera's the past few months I'm planning to settle down with the 5D2.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Spring Pictures on August 30, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
Hi guys,

Sorry to just come flying in here with questions I'm sure have been answered.

What's the longest recording time on 5d2?
What's the largest reliable resolution (is it 1880x1080)?
How did you all overcome the 4GB FAT file size limit?
I plan to use raw video in the field, how dangerous are these nightly builds in your opinion?
And realistically is my camera in danger, or really just my cards?

I'm on the verge of purchasing two 64GB Lexar 1000x cf cards for my 5d2 but am finding it hard to commit to this.  Any help would be incredible!
Thanks
Dylan
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Clemens on August 30, 2013, 04:16:15 PM
I did my first video completly with RAW Workflow on my 5D2.
It's a promo video for the company i'm working for. I'm not a pro... just a screen designer with some ambitions in video. Hope you like it.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: bnvm on August 30, 2013, 04:43:58 PM
@Spring Pictures

Quote
What's the longest recording time on 5d2?

That is totally dependent on your settings and card size, but maxed out(75 MB/s) continuous recording on a 64GB card would be around  15 minutes I believe. If the max data rate is 73-75 MB/s so you can do the math, also lower resolutions have lower data rates and longer record times.

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What's the largest reliable resolution (is it 1880x1080)?

Yes I believe some with KomputerBay cards have had near continuous at this resolution, for me my highest continuous resolution on my 1000x promaster card is 1880x940.

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How did you all overcome the 4GB FAT file size limit?

ML automatically splits to a new file once the limit is reached with no frame loss, the files are then recombined on a computer so the 4GB limit is no longer a factor.

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I plan to use raw video in the field, how dangerous are these nightly builds in your opinion?

It is Alpha software and there is always a chance for bugs, however it has been very reliable for me I have not had any issues since May its has been pretty rock solid for me. But as an example, one of the latest builds caused massive speed loss on some cameras until the memory card was formatted and ML re-installed. No big deal but could be a big problem if it was discovered out in the field. I would recommend testing any new build before use.

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And realistically is my camera in danger, or really just my cards?

Yes your camera could be damaged, although I have no fear or reservations about using ML and if it were to destroy my camera I couldn't afford to get a new one. At the heart of ML is a firmware update that enables the camera to boot software from the card. Any time you update the firmware on any device you risk bricking it, ML is no exception. There are other risks as well such as software causing the camera to lockup and overheat or some new feature pushing the sensor to hard and frying it. That said I use it and I have installed and used it on my company camera as well. Also the Dev's here are awesome and they really want to give us something that is safe and reliable, they are very carefully and strict about restricting new developments that could damage a camera and stuff generally doesn't get into a nightly build until it is fairly refined.

All I can say is. I have ML installed and I use raw video in the field, what you decided will be up to you.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Spring Pictures on August 30, 2013, 06:33:02 PM
Wow @bnvm what a fantastic reply! Thank you so much.
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: cmac on August 30, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
Played with build from 08/16 - on Transcend 16GB the speed was like previous build.
Still have to learn how to handle this one as a movie camera :-)
Sorry for the focus pulls and shaking image. Still - I really enjoy the sharp and tonal richness of the RAW video - AWESOME WORK guys!


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: Doyle4 on August 31, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
Nice speed increase in latest build :)

Hitting 101mb read and 83.8mb write :) nice work!

Update: 1880 2:1 = Continuous, nice
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: teryoon on August 31, 2013, 01:46:27 PM
My new Komputerbay 64gb card worked like a charm. It went so smoothly with no errors or freezing up at all. Check out the video I made with it!

Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: reddeercity on September 01, 2013, 10:31:45 AM
Hey all  :)
Speed look like its back up to continuous for me
at 1856x1004 23.976p 75.0MB/s on Lexar 1000x 32GB= 9800 frames Full Card
And on my Lexar 1000x 64GB card i still have a road block @ 42GB 1856x1004 23.976p.
But one thing i have noticed is if you Format your card in Camera before 
Recording, There is less Buffering going on. If i don't Format my card before recording i can not maintain
continuous recording at 1856x1004 , After all the testing it time to
go to Sleep, have good night all  :D
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JulianH on September 01, 2013, 03:01:02 PM
A few test shots. ISO 1600/3200 with 50mm f/1.4 @ 2.0. Shot at 1856 x 1044.
Applied a Arri Lut in Resolve and stabilized some shots a bit, thats about it.
I wish Resolve would handle the raw files better. In ACR the aliasing/moire is a bit less bad. But I like the speed of the Resolve workflow... hard to beat that.


Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: dariSSight on September 01, 2013, 03:33:29 PM
A few test shots. ISO 1600/3200 with 50mm f/1.4 @ 2.0. Shot at 1856 x 1044.
Applied a Arri Lut in Resolve and stabilized some shots a bit, thats about it.
I wish Resolve would handle the raw files better. In ACR the aliasing/moire is a bit less bad. But I like the speed of the Resolve workflow... hard to beat that.


ISO 1600/3200? Did you use the Dual ISO module for RAW Video recording and what about ETTR?
Title: Re: 14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2
Post by: JulianH on September 01, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
No, some shots iso 1600, some 3200. I don't use ETTR, don't see the point for video, I just use manual exposure.