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Title: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Hi all 60D users ;)
I've just modified latest ML source based on 500D & 550D modifications and now I'm able to get DNG silent pics from 60D (1736x1156).

My respository:
https://bitbucket.org/marekk17/60d-silent-dng/commits/all/tip/branch%28%22unified%22%29

RAW_PHOTO_EDMAC 0xc0f04A08 (the same as for 500D, 550D and others) - I'm totally new to ML development so I don't know if it's correct value but it works.

Now I'm trying to find correct values for skip parameters:



            #ifdef CONFIG_60D
        skip_top    = 26;
        skip_left   = 152;
        skip_right  = 2;
//        skip_left   = zoom ? 0 : 0;
//        skip_right  = zoom ? 0 : 0;
        #endif


Sample DNG file (manual mode, live view, sigma 17-50mm f2/8)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgRWhsTjRFZGpXWWM/edit?usp=sharing

Latest autexec.bin:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgcDlDYlFGaW82Tjg/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: nanomad on May 19, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
Remember to submit a pull request every now and then :)
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 02:40:35 PM
ok, submitted :)
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: seanturco on May 19, 2013, 02:58:52 PM
Hello and thank you for your amazing work !
Unfortunately I can't find into the 60d, the modules section into ML. So I can't load the raw_rec modules.
Someone can help me ?
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
You don't need raw_rec for silent pics..
If you want to get DNG start live view for example in manual mode go to ML preferences, and turn on Silent Picture option (tab with Advanced Bracketing and Intervalometer).. Then go back to live view and press half shutter and ML will save DNG file on your sd card.
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 19, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
I'm trying it right now !  8)
I will post my timelapse in 1-2 hours...
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 04:28:42 PM
I've just corrected one mistyping in colormatrix.. autoexec.bin link is updated.
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 19, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 19, 2013, 04:28:42 PM
I've just corrected one mistyping in colormatrix.. autoexec.bin link is updated.

I will retry later...   ;)
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 05:00:39 PM
I'm going to shot test timelapse right now and I will post results later.
I'm not able to remove pink color when lv is in zoom mode...
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 19, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
1st version (with your 1st autoexec.bin)
No correction, just DNG to JPEG with Lightroom
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 19, 2013, 05:49:11 PM
With the new autoexec.bin

Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 05:53:18 PM
here is my test timelapse shot.. DNG files imported to AE with some color correction, sharpening etc.

Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 06:18:35 PM
after latest modifications to raw.c by a1ex there is no pink color in zoom mode..

sample DNG (2520x1080)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgaXhtaWJIdTZPOW8/edit?usp=sharing

corrected JPG
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgZjctck1IekFpX0k/edit?usp=sharing

autoexec.bin updated
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: seanturco on May 19, 2013, 06:45:06 PM
If I understand ! Silent pics is useful for time lapse movie ?
It isn't dedicated for real time movie? im right ?
There is no shutter release ( except the first to switch in liveview mode ) ?
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 06:52:06 PM
yes, it's good for timelapses. It will be very difficult to run raw video rec on 60D because of write throughput to sd card which is only max 10-11 MB/s

Quote from: seanturco on May 19, 2013, 06:45:06 PM
If I understand ! Silent pics is useful for time lapse movie ?
It isn't dedicated for real time movie? im right ?
Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 19, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
here is my second timelapse test movie.. I think we don't need deflicker in slinet pics mode anymore..

Title: Re: 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 10:20:42 AM
60D config is now included in official ML source so you can download autoexec.bin from fresh nightly build with all new improvements.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: seanturco on May 20, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
Thank you :)

I will test very soon. Since the grey skies of paris turn to a perfect sunrise !  ;)
Just a question:
It isn't possible actually with silent pics to take picture under 1/33 seconds ?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 10:38:27 AM
hmm I think it's possible but in live view in manual photo mode


Quote from: seanturco on May 20, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
Thank you :)

I will test very soon. Since the grey skies of paris turn to a perfect sunrise !  ;)
Just a question:
It isn't possible actually with silent pics to take picture under 1/33 seconds ?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: ilguercio on May 20, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
ok, silent pic work but what is the deal with the burst rate?
I keep the button pressed and it is sooooo slow...
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 01:13:23 PM

I can enable silent burst but I think SD card interface in 60D is to slow...

Quote from: ilguercio on May 20, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
ok, silent pic work but what is the deal with the burst rate?
I keep the button pressed and it is sooooo slow...
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 20, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
Hi !
I have a problem with the latest autoexec.bin and silent DNG.
Some black pixels like dead pixels.
(http://s12.postimg.org/dcouwi3zt/02470001.png)

It doesn't appear with RAW,JPEG and 422 images
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
It looks like processor corrects bad pixel during conversion to CR2 or JPG...

Quote from: vertigopix on May 20, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
Hi !
I have a problem with the latest autoexec.bin and silent DNG.
Some black pixels like dead pixels.
(http://s12.postimg.org/dcouwi3zt/02470001.png)

It doesn't appear with RAW,JPEG and 422 images
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 20, 2013, 01:51:17 PM
I don't know if bad pixels are corrected in CR2 files...
But it doesn't appear in .422 files and i think that they are not corrected by the processor.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
This didn't help? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/01b2a6799e16
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 20, 2013, 01:59:54 PM
Hi A1lex !

Maybe... I can't try before the next nightly.
I will try tomorrow !
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 20, 2013, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 20, 2013, 01:13:23 PM
I can enable silent burst but I think SD card interface in 60D is to slow...


That would be great Marekk!
I did a read/write test & was getting between 18&20 depending - so it should be fast enough to get the same results as the 600D, shouldn't it?

& Many thanks for doing this for us 60D users (it seems most of us can't code for shit).

I'm getting dead pixels as well...
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: gerk.raisen on May 20, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Hello,

I'm still trying to understand...what is the maximum resolution we can get in DNG or also in RAW mode?

I tried the LV 5x tricks and the resolution increase but I can't get other step-up with 10x.

Is possible to obtain high resolution like with now deprecated 422 hi-res pic?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 03:15:01 PM
The maximum resolution is the one you are getting.

You can try to implement a DNG hi-res mode, but it's not a priority for me. It will require hardcoding the alignment for every single camera - this is the hardest part.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
hmmm.. so it's possible to get DNG with higher resolution ? .. it will be resized or 1:1 ?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 04:10:14 PM
Just like with the old 422 - move the zoom box around and stitch the images.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Marsu42 on May 20, 2013, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 03:15:01 PM
You can try to implement a DNG hi-res mode, but it's not a priority for me. It will require hardcoding the alignment for every single camera - this is the hardest part.

I understand the need to have priorities, but I'll keep the old 422 implementation around for this purpose, and it'd be absolutely terrific if anyone could implement the matrix code for dng - the main use would be focus stacking of static scenes w/o killing the shutter.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 20, 2013, 06:00:35 PM
So did a Rough & Dirty test with Silent Pics - certainly night & day really.
There's definitely a slight Magenta shift & a few dead pixels.

https://vimeo.com/66569305

So what needs to be done to get the Raw video module working on the 60D?
I'm no coder (could give it a go, not entirely stupid), but i've got time on my hands this week!
A push in the right direction would be welcome
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: 1% on May 20, 2013, 06:04:05 PM
I think for full size zoomed dngs you would only have to move the zoom box up and down.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 06:38:01 PM
And left and right.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: 1% on May 20, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
Does going to the left do anything if you don't crop the recorded area?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
ok, silent burst enabled.. pull request created, fresh autoexec.bin on page #1
.. but it saves only 47 images.. (I've got Sandisk Ultra 30MB/s 64GB)
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Marsu42 on May 20, 2013, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 06:38:01 PM
And left and right.

With the 422 implementation there was the problem that you couldn't put the zoom box to the sides or Canon would reset it, so the matrix pic only covered a cropped area - would this be the same for dng matrix?

Quote from: marekk on May 20, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
.. but it saves only 47 images.. (I've got Sandisk Ultra 30MB/s 64GB)

Still great to have, and all that on my good ol' 60d :-)) ... thank you so much!
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 20, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 20, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
ok, silent burst enabled.. pull request created, fresh autoexec.bin on page #1
.. but it saves only 47 images.. (I've got Sandisk Ultra 30MB/s 64GB)

Thanks for the Burst mode - really great!
On my Sandisk Extreme Pro 45MB/s 8gb, i got the following (in Movie mode):

1080 24p
71
53 (x5 crop)

720 50p
115
53 (x5 crop)

Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
71 frames? that's 3 seconds of video, already usable for some clips!
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 20, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
71 frames? that's 3 seconds of video, already usable for some clips!

Yep, this is really amazing!
Got really excited by the 115, but the moire is horrible!

So does this mean that the 60D will be able to do continuous raw video at a reduced size?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 20, 2013, 09:05:06 PM
I was trying to crop original frame from mv1080 mode to 1280x544 which is 720p 2,35 but it looks like DNG file has 3,9MB like original 1736x1156 and burst mode saves 47 files like mv1080 without slicing. It looks like memory is allocated for original frame size ...
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: gerk.raisen on May 20, 2013, 09:22:07 PM
If is only question of moving zoom box up down left right we can't simply try to script it?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 09:36:32 PM
Possible, need to expose the API. Also would be nice to expose the large memory buffers, so you can stitch it in camera.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Marsu42 on May 20, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: gerk.raisen on May 20, 2013, 09:22:07 PM
If is only question of moving zoom box up down left right we can't simply try to script it?

The matrix pic should be taken as fast as possible, because if *anything* changes in the picture (object move, exposure changes) the shot is a candidate for the trashcan - that is/was the main problem with the 422 implementation.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: wolf on May 20, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
off topic sorry.

I'd like to suggest to add the short movie "The shot"  from Bioskop.Inc to ML Cinema, if Bioskop.Inc don't mind.
Really great. I like the photography, the acting and editing very much.

https://vimeo.com/36804768



Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 21, 2013, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: wolf on May 20, 2013, 10:34:16 PM

I'd like to suggest to add the short movie "The shot"  from Bioskop.Inc to ML Cinema, if Bioskop.Inc don't mind.
Really great. I like the photography, the acting and editing very much.


Thanks for the praise Wolf - its one that just slipped by unnoticed.

Question: I've noticed that adding the stubs for Raw_Rec module has got some people excited on other cameras - what does this mean exactly?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: seanturco on May 21, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Just a short video with a raw burst of 47 frames.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 21, 2013, 08:22:44 PM
http://vimeo.com/66664702

A compilation of Anamorphic clips - raw burst of 71 frames.
Still seems to be a bit of a magenta tint to some pics.
& sometimes get Pink Teared frames (not always, but every now & then).

Thanks ML for all the hard work!
Will wait to see if anyone enables the 60D to shoot raw video.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 21, 2013, 09:11:54 PM
I'm trying to add raw_rec module for testing but my 60D is not loading ML when modules and tcc are enabled in Makefile.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 21, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 21, 2013, 09:11:54 PM
I'm trying to add raw_rec module for testing but my 60D is not loading ML when modules and tcc are enabled in Makefile.

Thanks for doing all of this, its really quite amazing.
Can you make available to download your version with the Makefile enabled (& where's the raw_record module?).
I think the 550 people are having trouble with this as well.

cheers
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 21, 2013, 10:33:02 PM
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpgMll4T0l0MUdqZ0E/edit?usp=sharing

after unzip put autoexec.bin on your sd card and modules directory in ML dir.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Marsu42 on May 21, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 21, 2013, 09:11:54 PM
I'm trying to add raw_rec module for testing but my 60D is not loading ML when modules and tcc are enabled in Makefile.

... same for me, last time I read about it tcc currently doesn't work on 60d because it uses too much memory (the 60d has very little) - see the tcc thread if you want to help fix this :-o
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vertigopix on May 22, 2013, 09:04:26 AM
Quote from: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
This didn't help? https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/01b2a6799e16

Yes ! No more dead pixels.
Thanks a1ex !
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Willie Bouwer on May 22, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
Thank you ML for all the effort!  :)

I need to shoot a short film for my Ph D next year (hoping that my research proposal is accepted) - if I can shoot it in raw on my trusty 60D it will be AWESOME since I just don't have the budget for a 5D mk III. Please try and get the 60D to shoot raw!! Doing SFX with H264 is a real pain in the butt.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 22, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
So with last night's NB (2013-5-22), i've lost 2 frames recording capability:
71-69
115-112

Not a big deal, but thought i'd mention it.

& still a few torn frames(sometimes pink), but mostly occur at the beginning of a burst sequence.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 22, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
I've also just noticed that the 720p frames have actually been squeezed & when unsqueezed produce the same image as those frames taken in 1080p.
so,

1080p=1730x1152
720p=1730x690 - but if you change to 1730x1152 the frames become identical (more noise).

Also if you change it to 1042x690, the noise is the same as when you change to 1730x1152.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Swithdrawn on May 22, 2013, 10:27:36 PM
Just chiming in to share a sequence of shots (https://vimeo.com/66763730) from my 60D using the DNG burst from the last nightly - I got 45 frames consistently at 1734x1156 (card is Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95mb/s). No artifacts, color seems fine, and the quality is unbelievable.

Awesome work to all involved and looking forward to updates :D
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 22, 2013, 10:29:39 PM
Bioskop.Inc.. I don't know why but you can capture 25 frames more than my 60D.. also I've got different resolution on 1080p - 1730x1152 vs 1734 x1156
sd cart type doesn't matter because in burst mode at the beginning memory is filled with raw frames, then ml reads memory and saves each frame to dng file and burst process stops.
each raw lv frame is stored in memory with original structure (also with cropped blacks) ... we should to rewrite buffer allocation code for burst mechanism and copy only final piece of raw data from RAW_LV_EDMAC to memory buffers but in shoot.c we can find this info:

Quote
* Raw image data is available after call("lv_save_raw", 1), via EDMAC.
* We can redirect it so the image data is written in our memory buffer, so there's no memcpy overhead.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 01:42:16 AM
Quote from: marekk on May 22, 2013, 10:29:39 PM
Bioskop.Inc.. I don't know why but you can capture 25 frames more than my 60D.. also I've got different resolution on 1080p - 1730x1152 vs 1734 x1156
sd cart type doesn't matter because in burst mode at the beginning memory is filled with raw frames, then ml reads memory and saves each frame to dng file and burst process stops.
each raw lv frame is stored in memory with original structure (also with cropped blacks) ... we should to rewrite buffer allocation code for burst mechanism and copy only final piece of raw data from RAW_LV_EDMAC to memory buffers but in shoot.c we can find this info:


Yes its strange that i'm getting more frames than you & slightly different sizes.
Do you have the same frame squashing as me in 720p?

Do you think that they changed something in the 60D over time?
It wouldn't surprise me if they replaced/updated certain parts along the way to make it more cost affective (its what big companies do when they sell a lot of units) - i bought mine back in 2011.

I suppose you didn't have any luck with getting raw_record module to work?

On the plus side, someone seems to be working on compressing the raw files - so there might be hope just around the corner.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: PKVariance on May 23, 2013, 05:08:34 AM
I also get the same number of frames as marekk; I purchased my 60D less than a year ago...marekk, when did you get yours?

I am however getting 1734x1156 resolution; around 52 usable frames (a couple blow out magenta) from Sandisk Extreme 32GB 45mb/s. Also using most recent nightly build. Marekk, which autoexec are you using?

Sorry for all the questions...

And serious thanks to all of you who are doing so much good work; this really is a fine community. I am useless at coding, sadly, but you have my endless support and appreciation. If there is anything useful I can do, don't hesitate to ask.

Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: PKVariance on May 23, 2013, 05:11:27 AM
Quote from: Swithdrawn on May 22, 2013, 10:27:36 PM
Just chiming in to share a sequence of shots (https://vimeo.com/66763730) from my 60D using the DNG burst from the last nightly - I got 45 frames consistently at 1734x1156 (card is Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB 95mb/s). No artifacts, color seems fine, and the quality is unbelievable.

Awesome work to all involved and looking forward to updates :D

The quality really is beautiful...
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Swithdrawn on May 23, 2013, 05:57:20 AM
Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 22, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
I've also just noticed that the 720p frames have actually been squeezed & when unsqueezed produce the same image as those frames taken in 1080p.

The stretching happens to me as well when I set the mode in the Canon menu to 720p. Except my resolutions are a couple pixels off (it produces files that are 1734x694). I was able to get 73 frames consistently. I had one magenta artifact for a single frame in addition to the aliasing from the stretching.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: PKVariance on May 23, 2013, 06:55:16 AM
I just got 86 frames at 720p, with one magenta as did Swithdrawn. Same resolution.

Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 23, 2013, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: PKVariance on May 23, 2013, 05:08:34 AM
I also get the same number of frames as marekk; I purchased my 60D less than a year ago...marekk, when did you get yours?

August 2012

Quote from: PKVariance on May 23, 2013, 05:08:34 AM
I am however getting 1734x1156 resolution; around 52 usable frames (a couple blow out magenta) from Sandisk Extreme 32GB 45mb/s. Also using most recent nightly build. Marekk, which autoexec are you using?

Compiled from current ML source
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 01:06:30 PM
Wow, so they must have changed something in the 60D during the course of a year, but what?

As stated i lost a couple of frames with yesterday's NB.
In 720p i'm getting 112 frames.

Could the increased frames i'm getting be something to do with the crop of 1730x1152? Seems highly unlikely that 4 pixels would increase the frame rate though.
It can't be anything to do with the SD cards, as i'm getting the same with a Transcend 16gb class10.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 23, 2013, 02:00:14 PM
Could you try with this autoexec.bin ?
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-HdscXfsKpga0pjVGZncDdZR00/edit?usp=sharing

It's a fresh compiled source without cropping blacks in 60D. Could you upload single DNG image ?



Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 01:06:30 PM

Could the increased frames i'm getting be something to do with the crop of 1730x1152? Seems highly unlikely that 4 pixels would increase the frame rate though.
It can't be anything to do with the SD cards, as i'm getting the same with a Transcend 16gb class10.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 03:23:54 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 23, 2013, 02:00:14 PM
Could you try with this autoexec.bin ?
It's a fresh compiled source without cropping blacks in 60D. Could you upload single DNG image ?


So i had already installed last nights NB & was still getting same results as before.
Then i uploaded your autoexec.bin & this is what it said on screen:
1080p = 1888x1182, 69 frames (93%)
720p = 1188x720, 112 frames (92%)

However, there are now black borders & the actual sizes are different (i noticed that was happening when i tested out last night NB). So for some reason, the camera is saying it is taking one size, but when they get downloaded they are changing size - weird!

Here are the copies of both 1080p & 720p frames (originals & those converted with Adobes DNG Converter)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90827273/DNG%20Frames.zip
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 23, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
It was only for a test to check the original frame size ... You should to get 1734 x 1156 because we cut 26 pixels from top, 152 from left side, and 2 pixels from right side. I don't know why it saves 1730x1152 on your 60D. (original frame is 1888x1882)
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: marekk on May 23, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
It was only for a test to check the original frame size ... You should to get 1734 x 1156 because we cut 26 pixels from top, 152 from left side, and 2 pixels from right side. I don't know why it saves 1730x1152 on your 60D. (original frame is 1888x1882)

Yeah its strange!
Makes me think that maybe the 2011 models are different somehow?
It definitely seems to be doing something in-camera & this seems to be allowing me to get more frames.

Also, the black borders is a new thing, but i've heard others talk about it - is this normal?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 23, 2013, 03:54:52 PM
It was only for a test, you can remove this autoexec.bin. I prepared autoexec.bin without option to cut black borders to see your original frame size.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 04:15:14 PM
Yeah, did that already.
If you want me to test anything else, just let me know.

I suppose you've no answer to why my 60D is getting more frames or reducing frame size?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 24, 2013, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 04:15:14 PM
I suppose you've no answer to why my 60D is getting more frames or reducing frame size?

.. as like you said, probably they changed something in hardware..
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: payne on May 24, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 23, 2013, 03:23:54 PM
So i had already installed last nights NB & was still getting same results as before.
Then i uploaded your autoexec.bin & this is what it said on screen:
1080p = 1888x1182, 69 frames (93%)
720p = 1188x720, 112 frames (92%)

However, there are now black borders & the actual sizes are different (i noticed that was happening when i tested out last night NB). So for some reason, the camera is saying it is taking one size, but when they get downloaded they are changing size - weird!

Here are the copies of both 1080p & 720p frames (originals & those converted with Adobes DNG Converter)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90827273/DNG%20Frames.zip

Bioskop: I am new to this world and very very excited about quality of raw you are getting on your 60D. (I also bought mine in 2011). Am i reading this right?: You are getting 1882x1182 for almost 3 seconds in Raw? If so this means you are getting slightly greater than 1080p resolution on a 60D That's amazing! (1882x1182 = 2.2245 mp per frame. --- 1920 x 1080 = 2.0736mp per frame) I'd rather have something closer to 1080p raw and for a few seconds than continues SD resolution raw. This is very exciting.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 24, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: payne on May 24, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
Bioskop: I am new to this world and very very excited about quality of raw you are getting on your 60D. (I also bought mine in 2011). Am i reading this right?: You are getting 1882x1182 for almost 3 seconds in Raw? If so this means you are getting slightly greater than 1080p resolution on a 60D That's amazing! (1882x1182 = 2.2245 mp per frame. --- 1920 x 1080 = 2.0736mp per frame) I'd rather have something closer to 1080p raw and for a few seconds than continues SD resolution raw. This is very exciting.

No, sorry. I was only getting those resolutions with black bars (1888x1882 is the original frame size before they cropped it), which Marekk enabled in an autoexec.bin to see what my camera was doing - other 60D users are getting less frames but they are slightly larger @ 1734x1156.

I'm getting the following:

1080p or M photo mode:
1730x1152 @ 69 frames
2516x1076 @ 52 frames (in x5 crop zoom mode)

720p
1730x690 @ 112 frames (NB. the image is squashed so you just change 690 to 1152)
2516x1076 @ 52 frames

Not sure if the 720p frames are as good quality though, but much better than H264 - there is some noise/grain to image.

A good tip is to turn off RAW pic selection in photo mode (Canon Menu) & just set it to jpeg only (size doesn't seem to matter) - you get more frames this way.

Let us know if you get the same frames as me, since your camera is the same year.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: payne on May 24, 2013, 08:41:49 PM
Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 24, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
No, sorry. I was only getting those resolutions with black bars (1888x1882 is the original frame size before they cropped it), which Marekk enabled in an autoexec.bin to see what my camera was doing - other 60D users are getting less frames but they are slightly larger @ 1734x1156.

I'm getting the following:

1080p or M photo mode:
1730x1152 @ 69 frames
2516x1076 @ 52 frames (in x5 crop zoom mode)

720p
1730x690 @ 112 frames (NB. the image is squashed so you just change 690 to 1152)
2516x1076 @ 52 frames

Not sure if the 720p frames are as good quality though, but much better than H264 - there is some noise/grain to image.

A good tip is to turn off RAW pic selection in photo mode (Canon Menu) & just set it to jpeg only (size doesn't seem to matter) - you get more frames this way.

Let us know if you get the same frames as me, since your camera is the same year.

Regardless: you are getting 2.9 seconds at almost HD, 2 seconds at 2.5k and 4.6 seconds at something close to 720p. That's amazing!

Just think if we can get closer to 5+ seconds at close to 1080p by the time we are done tweaking and testing? That would be a huge win for people like me that want to at least be able to grab short but high quality clips on vacation or for family movies. I cannot afford a 5D mk III under any circumstances so progress on the 60D is very exciting!

If you can point me to the appropriate download link for the best build to use I would be happy to try it out on my camera and let you know how my frame rate compares to you.

Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Bioskop.Inc on May 24, 2013, 08:56:45 PM
Quote from: payne on May 24, 2013, 08:41:49 PM

If you can point me to the appropriate download link for the best build to use I would be happy to try it out on my camera and let you know how my frame rate compares to you.

Download & install the 2.3 release, from here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/download

And once installed properly, overwrite it with the files found in the latest NB, from here:
http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/

Its Silent Pics/Burst mode that you want to use.
Try a Timelapse with SP/Single mode & Intervalometer - awesome!

If you don't have any fancy editing program (pic or video) you can use Adobe DNG Converter (free download).
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: payne on May 24, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
Thank you Bioskop! I installed the standard ML 2.3 last night. Tonight I will overwrite with the nightly build files and give it a try this weekend. Thank you for the link!
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: kslau8 on May 24, 2013, 09:24:41 PM
I'm getting:
Global draw off, JPEG quality, movie rec mode.  I got my 60D in November 2011.

1080p
69 frames @ 1734x1156
(5X Zoom) 52 frames @ 2520x1080

720P
112 frames @ 1734x694
(5X Zoom) 52 frames @ 2520x1080

Any word on the raw_rec ability for the 60D?  I tried running an autoexec.bin Marekk uploaded a little while ago but it didn't seem to work. 
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: payne on May 24, 2013, 10:18:53 PM
Are these DNG bursts always at 24fps or 23.98fps?
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: kslau8 on May 24, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
All of mine have been 23.976.

There's a post over on another forum which now has raw_rec enabled for the 60D.  Again, try at your own risk but Marekk has enabled it and it's working on mine.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.msg40016#msg40016 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5653.msg40016#msg40016)
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: payne on May 25, 2013, 12:26:53 AM
I will try raw burst first and raw rec 2nd. It sounds like we can get slightly higher quality out of raw burst but slightly shorter record times.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: OrhCh on May 25, 2013, 01:02:01 AM
Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 24, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
I'm getting the following:

1080p or M photo mode:
1730x1152 @ 69 frames
2516x1076 @ 52 frames (in x5 crop zoom mode)

720p
1730x690 @ 112 frames (NB. the image is squashed so you just change 690 to 1152)
2516x1076 @ 52 frames

I got the same results.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 25, 2013, 12:06:12 PM
You should to check also a RAW histogram feature. we can now access this awesome feature.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: bhursey on May 26, 2013, 06:58:20 AM
So here is my question. I can not seem to be able to be able to do it. So say I set silent picture. However I set say the shutter at 3 seconds. I noticed when I was trying to create blur it does not.?  I want to sorta be able to catch car streaks and stars if possible. To do this the exposure needs to be long.  Basically what are the limitations? I think I am out of luck because it pulls the image from the live view correct? And if live view can not see it then it will not work.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: marekk on May 26, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
I only ported this feature to 60D.. If you've got any question:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5240.0


Quote from: bhursey on May 26, 2013, 06:58:20 AM
So here is my question. I can not seem to be able to be able to do it. So say I set silent picture. However I set say the shutter at 3 seconds. I noticed when I was trying to create blur it does not.?  I want to sorta be able to catch car streaks and stars if possible. To do this the exposure needs to be long.  Basically what are the limitations? I think I am out of luck because it pulls the image from the live view correct? And if live view can not see it then it will not work.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: PKVariance on May 28, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: Bioskop.Inc on May 24, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
I'm getting the following:

1080p or M photo mode:
1730x1152 @ 69 frames
2516x1076 @ 52 frames (in x5 crop zoom mode)

I've been through the forum as much as I can and can't seem to find it - how does one do this x5 crop zoom mode? A link to the location of this wisdom would certainly be enough.

Thanks
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: vroem on May 29, 2013, 01:52:13 AM
Quote from: PKVariance on May 28, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
I've been through the forum as much as I can and can't seem to find it - how does one do this x5 crop zoom mode? A link to the location of this wisdom would certainly be enough.

Thanks

Press the plus button.
(http://s3.postimg.org/jyt1w538f/mag.png)
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: PKVariance on May 29, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
Sorry - I didn't realize magic zoom had to be off - thank you for the tutorial.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: bhursey on May 29, 2013, 09:09:53 PM
Seems to be working well I did a silent picture time laps pre memorial day parade while we waited. My wife wanted me to shoot standard pictures during the parade so I could not do a time laps during.. It was about a 40 min period before it started a frame ever 3 seconds.  Make sure to go to the you tube page and play in original.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Aquillum on May 29, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
Nice timelapse ! I tried one today on my 550D with same settings (Silent DNG / 1pic every 3sec) and did 600 pics.
But I had to throw away about 5% (32pics) cause of magenta distortion in irregular sequwnce.

My timelapse:


Distortion comparison:
(http://s22.postimg.org/u3qbtm081/diorted.jpg)

Could you please tell more about the settings used in ML ?
Did you get distorted images during your timelase ?
THX
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: bhursey on May 30, 2013, 01:41:48 AM
Quote from: Aquillum on May 29, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
Nice timelapse ! I tried one today on my 550D with same settings (Silent DNG / 1pic every 3sec) and did 600 pics.
But I had to throw away about 5% (32pics) cause of magenta distortion in irregular sequwnce.

My timelapse:


Distortion comparison:
(http://s22.postimg.org/u3qbtm081/diorted.jpg)

Could you please tell more about the settings used in ML ?
Did you get distorted images during your timelase ?
THX

Here was what was interesting when I went back..  I accidentally started the first series in movie mode and not with it in M mode.  So all the ones shot while the 60D was set on movie turned out fine. At the end I did another time-lapse in photo M mode and it had allot of magenta frames.  So I will try and duplicate again some time soon when I get a chance... I only used the first clip.  So try starting silent shutter while set on movie.. And then try and do it while set on M and see if you get different results.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: Aquillum on May 30, 2013, 10:29:02 AM
Thank you, I'll try in Movie Mode again.
Maybe ETTR could also be the reason cause it kicks in by time (I hear the beep) and adjusts shutter accordingly. (Processing power?)
Of course no XMP's are written (SIlentPic Mode) but it can be treated holy grail like in post.
So I'll try to shut off ETTR also.
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: SoulState on August 04, 2013, 12:14:44 AM
How to open and convert Silent Pics DNG's??? I can't open it nor with lightroom now with ACR plugin!
It give me: "Could not complete your request because it is not the right kind of document".

Please check the file, can you open it?
http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/18024682/file.html
Title: Re: [solved] 60D silent pics DNG
Post by: bhursey on August 12, 2013, 05:06:09 PM
Quote from: SoulState on August 04, 2013, 12:14:44 AM
How to open and convert Silent Pics DNG's??? I can't open it nor with lightroom now with ACR plugin!
It give me: "Could not complete your request because it is not the right kind of document".

Please check the file, can you open it?
http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/18024682/file.html

I was able to open them in after effects as a serries..  Did you try the DNG converter possibly. To re process, They also opened in Photoshop. I don't believe they will work in Lightroom.