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Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 17, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
I just wanted to create a topic that is specific to testing 5D3 nightly builds.

1. 5D Mark III only
2. 14bit Raw - no compression suggestions/ideas please.
3. This thread is to test 5d3 nightly builds and report back the results/findings.
4. Even ideas/suggestions should be limited to the development of ML builds of 5D3 14bit raw video.

Nothing against other camera users and other innovative ideas. I thought it would be good to have a thread that someone like me can check from time to time to read what pertains to 5D3 14bit raw ML instead of reading through many pages about other topics.

Admin, if you feel this thread is redundant and unnecessary, you can close it.


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 08:33:17 PM
I was thinking the same thing.  It is a very good idea for my purpose but who knows it it works for DEVs.  If Ok there should be other threads for other cams to be more organized.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 10:44:58 PM
I will start with Audio wav file test

By importing the dng frames and wav to video software (Vegas Pro 12) file I obtain a synchronized video.  It seem ok!

The only issue I have is that the (apparent) audio file length is very large so the video software imports it as 12 hours 25 minutes and 39 seconds long.  If I play the file in WMP it play fine but again the length is incorrect and the file repeats itself over and over for the full apparent length.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 04:46:11 AM
Zoom Mode:

In first builds I pressed the zoom button and obtained a clear colored zoomed image in LV.

Now I get 5X gray image and distorted for an instant.  This goes away during recording RAW video but comes back it I stop the video.
In 10X the image is OK.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 04:49:53 AM
60 FPS frame distortion.

By using RAW video while the camera is in Video Mode I can select a video mode of 1280x720 60fps video.  If I press the record button the camera records RAW video at 60 fps but.. The frames are distorted (shrunk heigth) and need to be stretched in post to maintain the image shape.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 04:53:56 AM
ADOBE CAMERA RAW opens the DNG file which always have White Balance set at 6050 and Tint at +77.  This can be corrected in post but.. can this be set in camera to something more neutral like WB=5700 and Tint +6.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 18, 2013, 05:06:16 AM
5/16th build seems to faster than 5/17 version. Anyone else agree?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 05:08:56 AM
When using the 5X zoom the gray screen now has framing white-line box which helps frame the subject.  This is very hepful but... when I press the record button the focusing box resets to the center so the framing and the subject are lost.  This framing needs to be maintained during recording also.

The same feature is needed at 10x.

Better solution would be if the video crop area could be changed to the center of the sensor where the lens is also at its optimum resolution.

For now I just use the joystick to control the focusing box by pushing it to the left seventeen times and eight times toward the top to obtain the correct framing.  This focusing box always remains in this position which is very helpful for framing 5X or using 10x for focusing.


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 05:11:04 AM
5/16th build seems to faster than 5/17 version. Anyone else agree?
Negative, I experienced the same speed.   The 5/17 version must include g3gOO commits to fix some errors in earlier changes.  May want to get a different build.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 18, 2013, 07:21:28 AM
Quote
This framing needs to be maintained during recording also.

This uses quite a lot of CPU power. I'll try to slow it down though.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Audionut on May 18, 2013, 07:24:52 AM
Now I get 5X gray image and distorted for an instant.  This goes away during recording RAW video but comes back it I stop the video.
In 10X the image is OK.

I've found that the image will be distorted if your in 5x mode when enabling RAW record.  If I make sure I'm not in any zoom modes when enabling RAW record it works fine.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 18, 2013, 07:26:57 AM
What's better - distorted and full screen, or correct aspect ratio, but tiny image?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Audionut on May 18, 2013, 07:32:28 AM
Personally I'd prefer to have the correct aspect ratio.  A menu option would be best, but that's just being a typical user asking for lots  :P
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 18, 2013, 07:36:33 AM
Full screen, if its bigger than aspect ratio I can even tilt or pan in post.... David Fincher style.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tridluu on May 18, 2013, 08:08:25 AM
What's better - distorted and full screen, or correct aspect ratio, but tiny image?

I would stick with CORRECT aspect ratio.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 18, 2013, 08:33:12 AM
I don't care if it's a bit distorted, I use it for focussing not admiring myself in a mirror. I've been shooting 1.5x anamorphic for years, it's never been an issue. How is it gonna be any good for focussing if it's tiny? But at the end of the day I'll take whatever I can get, thanks mate.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 18, 2013, 09:40:10 AM
For focusing, you have the 10x mode unchanged. For framing, use 5x. For framing with high-res, press the shutter halfway.

I've just changed it for 1:1 aspect ratio (both preview and playback).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Rush on May 18, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
60 FPS frame distortion.

By using RAW video while the camera is in Video Mode I can select a video mode of 1280x720 60fps video.  If I press the record button the camera records RAW video at 60 fps but.. The frames are distorted (shrunk heigth) and need to be stretched in post to maintain the image shape.

For 600D it is 166% - you need to upscale height to 166% with 600D to restore correct aspect.
Can you calculate actual distortion? Knowing it, we can control output resolution.
(with 166% for example and 1920x650 60p it is 1920x1080 60p after correcting aspect in post. pretty nice)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 18, 2013, 01:01:02 PM
Negative, I experienced the same speed.   The 5/17 version must include g3gOO commits to fix some errors in earlier changes.  May want to get a different build.

That must be it. Just redownloaded 5/17 build.

5x doesn't display in grey. back to 1:1
Using KOMPUTERBAY 128GB CF 1000X, it constantly skipped frames at 1920x720 until I tried CF card workaround on. It recorded all the way to 4GB. (audio disabled. focus peaking on)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 04:11:48 PM
Testing of New Commit May 18th.

1. First thing I lost some focusing points.  I have always been using the left focusing points (20) and now I only have (9).  it kind of looks like the focusing system of the 5D2!  I cleared config file but nothing, changed ML versions and nothing.  When I press M-Fn to flip through the available selections I am still missing some of the points.  I use to have 61 points, and now I only have 33. The center seems correct.  On the right I had twenty points and I only have 9, same on the left.

Sorry this was operator error.  I changed to canon 180mm macro lenses which do not support all the focusing points!  Focusing points are back to normal.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 04:32:05 PM
Testing of New Commit May 18th 5D3

2.  The framing for 5X and 10X is still giving me a headache.  The 5X frames correctly but if I want to focus at 10X the framing goes to the center so I cannot focus on the subject.  Focusing is more difficult without colors, the jerky LV view is disturbing.

If this method of automatic framing does not work i would suggest the following system which worked fantastically for me:

As I have mentioned before I could do correct manual framing by moving the focusing square with joystick seventeen times to the left and eight to the top.  Now I found out that this can be simplified by using in Prefs tab the "focus box settings" menu and selecting the option "snap points" and selecting "Center/TL/TR/BR/BL".  Now when you press the joystick the focus box moves and when you get it on the top left then stop and it is almost perfect for zoom framing of RAW video.

I further tested this method with the commit of May 15 which does not have the auto framing and WORKS BEAUTIFULLY.  I can zoom 5X, 10X with proper framing and no gray boxes or fuzzy lines.  I can even record in Zoom mode and move around following the subject and refocusing by pressing half shutter.  I can go 5X, 10X, or full view without any problems in full color and resolution.

The snap points option could include a simple 5X snap so that you can flip from center focus or 5X focus at the tap of the joystick depending what type of video you are doing.

This is the ML version that works best with "snap points"

# Magic Lantern v2.3.NEXT.2013May15.5D3113 (272eee96e793+ (unified) tip)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 04:44:57 PM
Testing of New Commit May 18th 5D3

3. Tested new Hack3D but did notice any buffer speed improvement.
Under some test I got more frames after turning Hack3D OFF
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 05:10:51 PM
Testing of New Commit May 18th 5D3

4. If you press zoom button while recording to focus on different subject camera stops recording.  In some test I had pull battery out.

Again this does not happen with May 15th build
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: AndreasK on May 18, 2013, 05:21:01 PM
A question regarding the smaller sizes (1280x720 for example). On the latest build I installed it's now doing a crop of the fullframe sensor.
Am I remembering something wrongly but imho on the last build from some days ago it was recording fullscreen and scaling on that resolution? Or was it always this way?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 18, 2013, 05:32:37 PM
2. I don't know exactly where the 5x cropped frame is, and this is camera-specific. The 17-click trick will not work on 5D2, for example. Use 5x for framing and 10x for focusing - the 10x box can be moved around.

3. try 720p, or compare the write speeds.

4. it's a safety feature, it never worked correctly.



Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 18, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
Upon further testing..

Regarding point 2

It is now possible to do zoom 5X and get full color if Global Draw is turned OFF!!  This is awesome!

By using snap points as previously described one can flip from center point to crop mode (off to the left and up) focusing box.  If you do this then the 5X and the 10X zoom remained focusing at the same area and thus framing and focusing works better.

Regarding point 3.

If I test with video where speed is marginal and video quits due to drop frames, the results are sometimes better with Hack3D but sometimes not.  Something else is going on.  When it works it really makes a difference something like going from 200 frames to 600 frames.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: swinxx on May 18, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
hi,
i have some strange vertical lines in all my raw video footage.. ? anyone else seen that?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/swinxx/8750637695/in/photostream

sorry for the link, but i have no ideo how to manage an image attachement here..

thx.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 1% on May 19, 2013, 12:32:18 AM
Quote
Something else is going on.

memory allocation. no waste but some chunks slower
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 19, 2013, 01:50:07 AM
hi,
i have some strange vertical lines in all my raw video footage.. ? anyone else seen that?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/swinxx/8750637695/in/photostream

sorry for the link, but i have no ideo how to manage an image attachement here..

thx.

It's fixed pattern noise, it's always been there you just couldn't see it before. Set the denoiser sliders to 50 or to taste.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: nahua on May 19, 2013, 03:47:39 AM
I was actually trying to test out my CF cards yesterday.  On my Transcend 64GB 1000x card, on the May 17th build I couldn't get past 78.1 MBs so I got dropped frames at 1920x1080.  I went back to the original May12th build and I could again record 1920x1080 at 81 MBs with no dropped frames.

However a funny thing happened.  After looking at my video files, I found out that I was recording BOTH H.264 internal and RAW to the CF card.  I guess with the May 12th build, you have to go into the menu to start recording.  I must have forgotten that the start/stop button didn't start RAW, but I hit it and the H.264 started.  My H.264 clip is actually something like 5min long, but I started and stopped RAW recording from within the menu.  So I have exact matching video files of H.264 and RAW.  I have them in my video, and I also graded the H.264 to see the differences.  The RAW recording is choppy, probably because of dropped frames and recording both types of files.

Take a look and tell me what you guys think:


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: nahua on May 19, 2013, 04:28:13 AM
Test of the 5x Zoom Mode:


May 17th Build, Transcend 64GB 1000x CF card, 81 MBs, 1920x1080, no dropped frames.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Peter Linov on May 19, 2013, 07:03:56 AM
hi,
i have some strange vertical lines in all my raw video footage.. ? anyone else seen that?
This is not a problem. You must use the Denoiser
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: nicklantz on May 19, 2013, 08:46:30 AM
Hi Guys sorry to butt in on this tread but i am having no luck getting my 5D Mark3 to actually record raw. The firmware seems to load fine but I don't have any of the menu options for frame rate override or Raw recording or anything like that. I am trying to do a test with Dave Stump on monday he an ASC Cinematographer and is the Head of Technology for the Academy of motion Picture. He has heard of this amazing new firmware and wants to see it working. Is there anyone that can help me figure this out for Monday?
Do I have to pay something for the right firmware i got it from the Magic Lantern web site and my camera even says that its the APLA 3 version etc. Please help ! Again sorry to butt it on this thread.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: nanomad on May 19, 2013, 10:50:16 AM
I'll be here in a couple of hours
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=magiclantern
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Habitat on May 19, 2013, 10:59:46 AM
Hi Guys sorry to butt in on this tread but i am having no luck getting my 5D Mark3 to actually record raw. The firmware seems to load fine but I don't have any of the menu options for frame rate override or Raw recording or anything like that. I am trying to do a test with Dave Stump on monday he an ASC Cinematographer and is the Head of Technology for the Academy of motion Picture. He has heard of this amazing new firmware and wants to see it working. Is there anyone that can help me figure this out for Monday?
Do I have to pay something for the right firmware i got it from the Magic Lantern web site and my camera even says that its the APLA 3 version etc. Please help ! Again sorry to butt it on this thread.

You have to load the module and then it will pop up. Make sure you have the latest build which you can find here

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: swinxx on May 19, 2013, 11:07:15 AM
This is not a problem. You must use the Denoiser

thanks i have bought neat video some time ago and its a great denoiser, but when i take a photo.. there are no vertical lines?
i thought when i shoot raw, its the same as making 24pics/sec.

so why are there such vertical lines.
perhaps anyone can explain in detail.. ? perhaps there is a possibility to avoid those lines.
(i shoot in 1280x720 at the moment cause i have only a 600x cf card.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 19, 2013, 11:30:24 AM
thanks i have bought neat video some time ago and its a great denoiser, but when i take a photo.. there are no vertical lines?
i thought when i shoot raw, its the same as making 24pics/sec.

so why are there such vertical lines.
perhaps anyone can explain in detail.. ? perhaps there is a possibility to avoid those lines.
(i shoot in 1280x720 at the moment cause i have only a 600x cf card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-pattern_noise
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/image-noise.htm
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: swinxx on May 19, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
Thanks buddy, but
In my videos, it looks more like banding noise which should only occur in high iso settings.
I know grain from high iso rates- but im talking about noise which is also seen in low iso shoots.. Strange

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 19, 2013, 12:11:26 PM
it's visible in every ISO setting just more so at high ISOs. Shoot with your lens/body cap on and push the file 3-4 stops in post and you can see for yourself. It's less noticeable with H.264 because of the compression and noise reduction. It's easy to remove in adobe camera raw without screwing up your IQ.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 19, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
Thanks buddy, but
In my videos, it looks more like banding noise which should only occur in high iso settings.
I know grain from high iso rates- but im talking about noise which is also seen in low iso shoots.. Strange

Also get this at ISO 100 in shadow areas if exposure has to raised.  May want to shoot ETR (exposure to the right).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: swinxx on May 19, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
Have shot with correct exposures.. Hope that my camera sensor is not damaged..
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 19, 2013, 02:52:46 PM
Hello everyone, yesterday analyzing the dng file after conversion with raw2dng and comparing them with raw files taken with the same settings and lighting, I realized that working them in lightroom appear compression artifacts .. I do not know if developers ml if they are noticed .... I am attaching a 'picture .. or lowered the value of clarity .... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71964196/CR2vsDNG.jpg
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 19, 2013, 03:24:25 PM
point out another flaw I see often ... attaching the photo inside the red circle in many frames I see this ... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71964196/dng.jpg
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 19, 2013, 03:44:31 PM
If you have frames with any errors please post the actual DNG file and what ML build you shot it with.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 19, 2013, 04:06:07 PM
Here are some files where you see the flaw shot with 5d mk3 ....


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71964196/dng.zip
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 19, 2013, 04:15:26 PM
What's the date of the firmware you're running?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 1% on May 19, 2013, 04:26:19 PM
I've only seen flaw #2 in 720P mode.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 19, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
What's the date of the firmware you're running?


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71964196/ml.png

thank you very much for your great job!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 19, 2013, 04:56:15 PM
Set the resolution 1920x1080 24p in the Canon menu and whatever your card can manage in the ML menu. If the problem persists update the ML firmware to a newer build.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 19, 2013, 05:12:16 PM
could you please tell me where to download the latest firmware currently available? thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 19, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
here's the file cr2 and dng files of the same scene .. please open them with photoshop and lower the value of both vibrance and see the difference on the dng file where compression artifacts appear .. at least look like ..

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71964196/mk3.zip
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ptunstall on May 19, 2013, 05:55:09 PM
could you please tell me where to download the latest firmware currently available? thanks

Not sure what build you're running but here is the thread that mostly keeps up to date with the latest builds.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: core_32 on May 19, 2013, 08:52:12 PM
Sorry to bother you guys but did anyone tested 60p yet? I didn't found a sample on the web.
It seems to me that 720p 60p RAW can be nicely scaled up into 1080p 60p. The only doubt for me is the moire/aliasing behavior at 720p.
Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 19, 2013, 10:39:53 PM
Is there a batch file that you can execute to process multiple files? I have shot over 30 raw files today and I would like to know how others deal with multiple files.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 12:05:26 AM
Sorry to bother you guys but did anyone tested 60p yet? I didn't found a sample on the web.
It seems to me that 720p 60p RAW can be nicely scaled up into 1080p 60p. The only doubt for me is the moire/aliasing behavior at 720p.
Any information would be greatly appreciated!

According to some test I ran, on 1000X 32GB Lexar the largest frame size for continuous recording for 60 fps is 1440x480.  Now this image is squeezed and has to be stretched to 1440x790 to have the proper stretch.  That is a 1.6473 multiplier!

The strange thing is that the write speed to the card is significantly reduced for this process.  For example the Lexar 1000x is capable of 85 MB/s.  BUT at 60 fps the camera maxes out at recording speeds of 69 MB/s and starts skipping frames after that!

The DNG files ar 1.19 megs each x 60 = 71.4 MB/s.  Something does not add up (multiply) correctly.  HELP

By the way this should go to the How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5472.0

So I will put a copy there!  So please go there to follow it.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 20, 2013, 12:53:28 AM
wav file is always 12:25:39. Anyone else noticed it?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: seanturco on May 20, 2013, 02:56:10 AM
Question of noob:
Did you ever consider a variable bitrate like audio vbr for mp3 ?
Is that possible to capture one frame at 14bits raw and the second at 10 bits ?
( for camera which have only sd cards )

Sorry for my bad english..
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 20, 2013, 03:01:25 AM
Question of noob:
Did you ever consider a variable bitrate like audio vbr for mp3 ?
Is that possible to capture one frame at 14bits raw and the second at 10 bits ?
( for camera which have only sd cards )

Sorry for my bad english..

You can't vary the bitrate without compression.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 03:04:21 AM
wav file is always 12:25:39. Anyone else noticed it?

Yep, has to be trimmed in video editor.  Hope this gets fixed.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 20, 2013, 03:10:58 AM
Yep, has to be trimmed in video editor.  Hope this gets fixed.

Have you tried to sync these wav files with video? I am trying to figure out time difference between video and audio.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 05:28:36 AM
I tried quick test and it is good enough for me.  I started the video and audio file at same point.  Trimmed the extra audio stuff at the end of the video.  I think I used FPS Override at 24 fps.  Have not tried other tests.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on May 20, 2013, 11:34:48 AM
but to you it is a difference in exposure from what I see from the live view of what then records inraw? I have at least 2 stop of underexposure on the recording ....

I apologize for my English use a translator ..
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on May 20, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Try turning the brightness on the LCD down one notch below the mid setting. I haven't had any issues with exposure.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: weigertj on May 20, 2013, 12:29:29 PM
Hello, I created a "5D MKIII raw" video group on Vimeo and already collected 97 videos. I also try to regularly update it with the best and newest videos. Please feel free to join:

https://vimeo.com/groups/192344 (https://vimeo.com/groups/192344)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Habitat on May 20, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
but to you it is a difference in exposure from what I see from the live view of what then records inraw? I have at least 2 stop of underexposure on the recording ....

I apologize for my English use a translator ..

Use the Waveform and Expose to the Right! I was having he same problem and this helped a lot
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 03:20:42 PM
Quick test of new compile 5D3 May 20 3ab36d8a50de

Tried new Hack3D with inconsistent results.

The main issue I experienced is after using the Hack.  I switched to photo mode then back to LV mode and the image froze.  Could not get live view to work.  Had to reboot cam to work.  I happens every time. 

No more test were done
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 20, 2013, 04:06:09 PM
I think I used FPS Override at 24 fps.

That possibly made your syncing experience better than mine. I had FPS override off and just shot at 23.976.
Maybe I will carry a slate with me at all times. Ha ha.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
Quick test of new compile 5D3 May 20 3ab36d8a50de

Tried new Hack3D with inconsistent results.

The main issue I experienced is after using the Hack.  I switched to photo mode then back to LV mode and the image froze.  Could not get live view to work.  Had to reboot cam to work.  I happens every time. 

No more test were done

Update: Experiencing problems where LV is not updating after I use zoom mode WITHOUT using Hack so problem is not necessarily the Hack.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 1% on May 20, 2013, 04:20:45 PM
Turn off raw video before switching to photo mode or photo mode LV... when it hits photo mode it may allocate all 256M and then live view doesn't open. When I turned it off photo works just fine.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Shield on May 20, 2013, 04:23:28 PM
Well guys I was skeptical until I tried this for myself - it's brilliant!

I am using the 32GB 1000x Lexar CF card - has anyone formatted the card for exFAT and enabled the greater than 4GB recording and gotten it to work?  What's the longest continual recording that anyone has gotten in which raw2dng will still work?

*Edit* To answer my own question, apparently the raw2dng.exe for Windows doesn't work with files >4GB.  Only works in Linux so far from what I've read.

Also, I couldn't get the audio to work until I stuck a SD card in the other slot, then I was fine.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Turn off raw video before switching to photo mode or photo mode LV... when it hits photo mode it may allocate all 256M and then live view doesn't open. When I turned it off photo works just fine.
Quick test of new compile 5D3 May 20 3ab36d8a50de

This was not the case for yesterdays or any other day build.  It started today on5D3.  I hope it gets fixed...  Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 1% on May 20, 2013, 04:32:21 PM
Was the case for me since a few days ago, maybe went a way and then came back.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 04:43:47 PM
Quick test of new compile 5D3 May 20 3ab36d8a50de

I turned RAW video OFF when I switched to photo mode.  It work better but...  After a few test in Raw Video mode the zoom button stopped working so I had turn OFF RAW video, flip to photo mode, back to RAW video and it fixed.
Definitely repeatable.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 05:59:29 PM
Quick test of new compile 5D3 May 20 3ab36d8a50de

Also having problems with auto EXPOSURE:
In May 19th build in Tv mode I can point at dark place and settings adjust as needed, take a video and it is good.  Then I point at brighter exposure area and settings adjust automatically; take the video and it is good.  Since the cam is in Tv mode the ISO gets adjusted accordingly from 10000 (in dark)  to 500 in bright.

Now with May 20th build the ISO gets stuck at 10000 and when I point to bright area does not change.  Raw video is overexposed.  If I shut off video and go back to video and set for bright area, take a video, move to dark area and take a video, the iso remains stuck and video is underexposed.

Repeatable

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 1% on May 20, 2013, 06:05:20 PM
Quote
After a few test in Raw Video mode the zoom button stopped working

Mine too... also the 1:1 preview is broken. I think its related.

AE/AEWB isnt' working because its turned off when shooting raw.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
I can't reproduce any LV updating or freezing issues.

Memory is allocated only while recording, and it's deallocated right away.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
Thanks Alex.  I tested the mentioned bugs and it is all cleared now.

Thoughts on 5D3 new compile commit: 1112eed

One more thing, I want to used cropped digital video mode extensively for wildlife applications where the extra reach is an absolute must as well as exposure adjustment to changing conditions.  For these situations I would love to have the auto exposure in zoomed mode.  I tested the new build and it works perfect for non cropped mode but the auto adjustment does not work when zoom, so if I pan to different area the exposure does not change.  I noticed that if I press half shutter the exposure corrects while I hold half shutter so maybe it is possible to enable this feature in zoom mode.

The Hack3D now showed REPEATABLE modest improvements in all video frames tested with slower 60MB/s Sandisk card.  The test with the Lexar 1000X card also showed  REPEATABLE improvement.  The performance without the hack of the Lexar 1000X seems  a bit better but not REPEATABLE sometimes better sometimes equal.

Thanks for listening, I will help on testing as much as possible.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 08:37:11 PM
Auto exposure works just like with plain Canon firmware. Maybe try in photo mode with expsim off?

Or, try enabling FEATURE_LV_ZOOM_AUTO_EXPOSURE in features.h. It seems to cause some trouble, but I'm not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 09:10:41 PM
I changed features.h for 5D3 line 21 form undef to define.  I then compiled this but did not enable auto exposure in zoom mode.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 09:19:44 PM
Ok, now I turned to Photo Mode with expsim OFF and it WORKS.  I will test this feature and report back.
Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 20, 2013, 09:26:44 PM
a1ex,

What are high priority items at this stage of development? Is it file spanning? Is it audio? Just wondering.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 09:42:22 PM
I'd say making it rock-solid and enabling the module support in official nightly builds. Lots of fine-tuning and bug-fixing.

I don't see this as something for recording long conferences, and you already have basic audio.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 10:44:29 PM
Ok, now I turned to Photo Mode with expsim OFF and it WORKS.  I will test this feature and report back.
Thanks for the help

Reporting back: auto exposure in zoom mode works without a flaw.  No black frames or any troubles.  With this feature enabled I can concentrate on focusing and leaving the exposure in Auto.  For fast moving action I cannot adjust everything at the same time so this definitely helps.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: sergiocamara93 on May 21, 2013, 06:29:31 AM
Build "006d890" - Works great but I saw a fix related to DaVinci Resolve (removing thumbnails - "89e62d8 ") and I wanted to report that it's not working. Resolve still sees the files as 128x96 and doesn't interpret them right. ACR or PS doesn't recognize the camera id either, which was another fix in the code if I remember right. Magenta cast is definitely fixed though it didn't saved (or read) the WB I set on camera.

I was trying to figure out how to make the .DNGs fit the Cinema DNG standard, which is the only thing Resolve reads (allegedly a DNG 1.1 Subset), and I ran into the white paper from Adobe. I'm sure you're already familiar with that document but you have the link below.

http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/cinemadng/pdfs/CinemaDNG_Format_Specification_v1_1.pdf (Page 24, B.4)

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: vstrglv on May 21, 2013, 07:57:20 AM
Is there somebody who can record raw 5x zoom on CF Transend 600 32GB? I have memory error
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 08:29:58 AM
What exact error? You don't get memory errors when the card is slow...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: vstrglv on May 21, 2013, 08:35:40 AM
"Memory error MB" for very short time. Very difficult to read. In normal mode I can record raw 1920x1080 with small number drop frames. I have 2 samples of CF Transend 600 32GB. The same result.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
Got it. Can you chek in Debug menu how much memory you have?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: vstrglv on May 21, 2013, 09:22:18 AM
Ok, 10 hours later.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 21, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
I'd say making it rock-solid and enabling the module support in official nightly builds. Lots of fine-tuning and bug-fixing.

I don't see this as something for recording long conferences, and you already have basic audio.

Thank you, a1ex. A quick question for you. Has there been a fix for 5x framing issue yet?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 06:13:22 PM
Huh? it's working well here...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevefal on May 21, 2013, 06:27:38 PM
5X doesn't work for me - "Memory error MB"

running 006d890 on 5D3 + Lexar 64GB 1000X

Debug menu Free Memory: 162K + 3720K

[EDIT] 5X working for me now on 240050c.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 21, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
Huh? it's working well here...

a1ex, when I use 5x, it always capture what is left to the frame on LCD.

Never mind. I just read I had to move the focus square 17 ticks to the left. It works good now.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 06:53:32 PM
a1ex, when I use 5x, it always capture what is left to the frame on LCD.

That is the way it is, that mode is refereed to Cropped Digital Video.  Please read the manual here:
www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 21, 2013, 06:58:11 PM
That is the way it is, that mode is refereed to Cropped Digital Video.  Please read the manual here:
www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0

17 times to the left and 8 to the top. Got it. By the way, this feature is fantastic to have!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 07:13:35 PM
17 times to the left and 8 to the top. Got it. By the way, this feature is fantastic to have!

For most uses I find that the setting obtained in Prefs Tab by:

3. Scroll to Focus box settings, press Q button, and enable Snap points choosing the Center/TL/TR/BR/BL setting.  Press Set button and Q button.

To use this setting (in LV)  just press the joystick and the focusing box will just move to the correct area.  It goes Top Left, the if you press it again it will go, Top right, etc    It is a quick way to get there, a shortcut.  ;)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bumkicho on May 21, 2013, 08:00:52 PM
For most uses I find that the setting obtained in Prefs Tab by:

3. Scroll to Focus box settings, press Q button, and enable Snap points choosing the Center/TL/TR/BR/BL setting.  Press Set button and Q button.

To use this setting (in LV)  just press the joystick and the focusing box will just move to the correct area.  It goes Top Left, the if you press it again it will go, Top right, etc    It is a quick way to get there, a shortcut.  ;)

+1

My tamron 24-70 vc is now 24-70 2.8 and 120-350 2.8!!!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 08:14:24 PM
+1

My tamron 24-70 vc is now 24-70 2.8 and 120-350 2.8!!!

Hurray for ML!  I love this specific feature since I use it for wildlife video.  My 300 f/4 lens is equivalent to having a 900mm f/4  (it does not even exist)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 08:17:04 PM
Hurray for ML!  I love this specific feature since I use it for wildlife video.  My 300 f/4 lens is equivalent to having a 900mm f/4  (it does not even exist)

Further discussions about 5X or such should go here:

How to: -- RAW Digital Cropped Video on 5D3--
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: vstrglv on May 21, 2013, 08:22:23 PM
Got it. Can you chek in Debug menu how much memory you have?
Before Raw Video enabled:
Free memory  162k+3868K
Image Buffers 720x480,720x480

After Raw Video enabled and after raw video recording in full screen (1920x1080):
Free memory  162k+3720K
Image Buffers 720x480,1904x1274

After raw video attempt to record in 5x zoom following "Memory error MB"(1920x1080):
Free memory  162k+3720K
Image Buffers 720x480,1152x762
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Shield on May 22, 2013, 06:35:20 AM
+1

My tamron 24-70 vc is now 24-70 2.8 and 120-350 2.8!!!

I thought this was really a 3x crop?  So wouldn't your 24-70 (I have that lens too; great lens!) be 72-210?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Shield on May 22, 2013, 08:25:35 AM
Well I just shot 32 gigs of raw movies in 3 files.  I immediately switched over to the SD card (my wav drive) and snapped a raw pic.]
Examining the exif info, the camera temperature was 43C.

I've seen it warmer than that shooting outdoors without any hacks with the standard firmware.  I'm not worried about overheating this 5d3 at all.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on May 22, 2013, 08:35:22 AM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/64GB-MICROP2-FAST-MEMORY-UHS-II-CARD/ci/21497/N/4035916854?cm_mmc=EML-_-Newsletter_Newsletter-_-130521-_-Body_Retail_64GB-MicroP2-UHS-II-Memory-Card
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tihon on May 22, 2013, 09:55:11 AM
Well I just shot 32 gigs of raw movies in 3 files.  I immediately switched over to the SD card (my wav drive) and snapped a raw pic.]
Examining the exif info, the camera temperature was 43C.

I've seen it warmer than that shooting outdoors without any hacks with the standard firmware.  I'm not worried about overheating this 5d3 at all.
Wow! No 4GB limit anymore? Please, give me an answer:)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DjJuvan on May 22, 2013, 12:05:34 PM
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/64GB-MICROP2-FAST-MEMORY-UHS-II-CARD/ci/21497/N/4035916854?cm_mmc=EML-_-Newsletter_Newsletter-_-130521-_-Body_Retail_64GB-MicroP2-UHS-II-Memory-Card

too bad that the 5dmk3 doesn't even support UHS-I :(
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mnteddy on May 26, 2013, 05:13:06 AM
I've noticed a strange set of 2 black veritcal lines followed by 1 slightly over-exposed line on left side all of my 1920 pixel wide DNGs (seems to get cropped out if I shoot any less wide than 1920). I'm running the 5/25/13 build, though I've seen it on older builds as well. raw2dng beta 0.8 was used to convert the RAW files.

Here's a 1200% zoom of the top left corner: (and here's a link to the full DNG (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5vzb1fFuV73enFZanpkai1Jemc/edit?usp=sharing))
(http://i.imgur.com/EFRPIg6.png) (http://imgur.com/EFRPIg6)
I should note that this DNG in particular has been processed through Adobe's DNG converter to reduce the file size, though this problem persists in the original DNGs as well.

Edit: I'm just realizing that I'm not alone in this. It seems most of the demo videos I'm seeing on YouTube and Vimeo suffer from these vertical black lines as well.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Peter Linov on May 31, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
with firmware May 30, I have no problem with 1920Х720 on cards with a 400 x speed.
  This is good!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: senzazn12 on May 31, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Guys I'm a total noob here and this is my first post on here. First of all I want to extend my thanks to Alex and the rest of the ML team for putting forth their time and effort in putting such AMAZING and INCREDIBLE software on our DSLR's. I have a
Canon 5D Mark III and I was able to successfully install the May 29th build on my 5D3 yesterday morning. My question is how do I update to the May 30th build? Do I just replace the autoexec.bin file from my May 29th build to the new May 30th build or do I need to copy all the files from the new build to my CF card? Forgive me in advance if this question does not belong here. Thank you all.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Mei Lewis on May 31, 2013, 04:50:36 PM
Would love a way to turn off the bootflag on the 5DIII.

After much reading AFAIK it's currently not possible:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5810.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 31, 2013, 06:02:56 PM
Guys I'm a total noob here and this is my first post on here. First of all I want to extend my thanks to Alex and the rest of the ML team for putting forth their time and effort in putting such AMAZING and INCREDIBLE software on our DSLR's. I have a
Canon 5D Mark III and I was able to successfully install the May 29th build on my 5D3 yesterday morning. My question is how do I update to the May 30th build? Do I just replace the autoexec.bin file from my May 29th build to the new May 30th build or do I need to copy all the files from the new build to my CF card? Forgive me in advance if this question does not belong here. Thank you all.

You can find your answer here:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

Go to the section :  FINALLY INSTALLATION OF RAW VIDEO

Next go here for the latest compiles (this is from above guide)

5D3 -- Newest compiled nightly Builds:
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.0

Finally please read our Forum Rules, we really want you to follow them carefully to help the developers here:
Magic Lantern Forum Rules
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=934.msg1141#msg1141
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: senzazn12 on May 31, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
Thanks Renato. I won't do it again. Appreciate it.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: arturochu on June 01, 2013, 07:07:08 PM
Just shot a 1min commercial with the raw hack, full day using the camera, not a single problem with the camera, only problem with ml is that i couldn't show playback through an external monitor, other than that, everything worked fine.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: arturochu on June 01, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
We'll be starting post next monday, i'll keep you updated with the process.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jakdaniel1975 on June 03, 2013, 12:00:33 PM
Hello yesterday I shot a video for a band I have performed around 500 gb of shooting and also I just wanted to ask if any problem in future versions you can put option to disable the frame counter and SIZES during recording that disturbs a lot in shooting ... . thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: arturochu on June 03, 2013, 01:23:52 PM
thats right, they are kind of disturbing, but at least you a 100% sure you are recording in raw.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on June 03, 2013, 01:37:06 PM
We don't consider it ready for production, so the debug info will stay there for now.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on June 03, 2013, 01:57:03 PM
I found a way to break the file browser. Pull the trigger on the shutter in playback mode and watch all hell break loose :D (don't try this at home kids)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Peter Linov on June 03, 2013, 05:38:40 PM
My first video film  from RAW:

video without compression - http://yadi.sk/d/gLaQbR-x5SeBU
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: NitromanX on June 03, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
@ Peter Linov - Wow ! Those bugs are pretty scary and all hairy up close Peter !  ;D

Pretty footage tho ... amazing detail.

Why not shooting raw at full HD 1920 x 1080 - I thought this was already possible on the 5D3 ?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Peter Linov on June 03, 2013, 10:47:40 PM
I only have 400-х speed on my CF  :-[
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mesebar2 on June 04, 2013, 02:20:08 AM
Hi everybody, i encountered a problem!!!
I am using the 29th May build.
For the first time i recorded one take passing the 4GB limit, which i understood as not being a problem anymore with the newer builds.
I found the split files and merged them just the way RenatoPhoto suggests ( Rename files as file.001, file.002
Download file joiner splitter such as FFSJ v 3.3
http://www.softpedia.com/get/File-managers/File-Splitter-and-Joiner.shtml ).
When i then try to process my new joined file with RAWanizer (the same happens if i try with the new Raw2Dng instead), the dng files i receive are perfect until it reaches the 1183rd frame (1183*3,5Mb = 4GB) and since then i get only pixelated dngs up to the end (those dngs open perfectly, they simply show a pixelated pink frame)

Thank you for your help

p.s: if this question has already been discussed or solved, i apologize. I am trying to keep up with what's going on in the forum, but every day there are lots of new threads and posts and i could not find and answer so i thought i would ask for your help here
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on June 04, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
p.s: if this question has already been discussed or solved, i apologize. I am trying to keep up with what's going on in the forum, but every day there are lots of new threads and posts and i could not find and answer so i thought i would ask for your help here

Yes, download the latest compile here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.msg45614#msg45614
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Krautgamer on June 04, 2013, 07:44:48 PM
Filmed this with the June 3rd Firmware.


A bit of CC and a bit of sharpening was applied. The sensor noise worried me a bit, but the result came out pretty nice. :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: knavekrazzy4 on June 04, 2013, 07:59:43 PM
A quick raw video test from India! Used the June 3rd compile by Lourenco! I pulled all the details from highlights and shadows even when i saw noise\grain appearing, as I wanted to actually see how much I could get out from the RAW.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mesebar2 on June 04, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Yes, download the latest compile here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.msg45614#msg45614

Thanks Renato, very nice of you to always be there to answer us all :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: zmelms on June 05, 2013, 05:27:48 PM
Just wanted to report that over Memorial Day weekend we shot a feature film with a hacked 5D3 and the BMCC both shooting in raw.  We're just now starting to synch footage (over 3.5 hours of it from the 5d3).  A trailer to that project will be posted here soon but before that, another short is scheduled for production with a combination of 5D3, BMCC and the Sony FS-700 for slow motion.

I'm primarily a Sony guy shooting with the FS-700 and I often get to work with the Arri Alexa on big commercial shoots.  I haven't even considered filming projects for clients on DSLR until now because the quality just wasn't there and I felt like my pictures were stuck in a dead end of h.264.  With the raw module I've been able to comfortably shoot in the most contrasty of situations and in low light all while taking advantage of the 5d's compact size knowing that I had the extra room to push things around in post. Thanks to the developers for an amazing gift to the film world!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: driftwood on June 06, 2013, 01:56:31 PM
1088p no probs with spanning and Error-free results on my newly acquired Lexar Pro 1000x 128Gb card formatted to Exfat. Speed Results shortly. :-)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johanhenrikssn on June 08, 2013, 12:40:26 AM
I shot some footage that looks like it's sped up. It gives the impression that it was recorded in another, lower frame rate than 25, when looking at it after it's been post-processed. I did not have FPS override to ON in magic lantern, could this have affected it? Anyone else experienced this problem?

I used the june 3rd-version. Camera settings i Canons menu set to PAL and video set to 1080p 25fps ALL-I.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: crazyrunner33 on June 08, 2013, 01:44:55 AM
I shot some footage that looks like it's sped up. It gives the impression that it was recorded in another, lower frame rate than 25, when looking at it after it's been post-processed. I did not have FPS override to ON in magic lantern, could this have affected it? Anyone else experienced this problem?

I used the june 3rd-version. Camera settings i Canons menu set to PAL and video set to 1080p 25fps ALL-I.

What's your workflow, are you using After Effects?  When importing an image sequence in After Effects you need to set the frame rate the composition and the image sequence, otherwise AE might interpret it as the wrong framerate which would screw up the motion.  It would be better to ask this question in the post-processing forum.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johanhenrikssn on June 08, 2013, 09:28:24 AM
What's your workflow, are you using After Effects?  When importing an image sequence in After Effects you need to set the frame rate the composition and the image sequence, otherwise AE might interpret it as the wrong framerate which would screw up the motion.  It would be better to ask this question in the post-processing forum.
I tried the workflow with both After Effects and using Quicktime 7 via Photoshop. Inside After Effects I interpreted the image sequence from 30 to 25 and created a comp from that. Still got that speedy look.

Thanks. I thought it was an in camera problem at first. I'll ask there.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: endoman99 on June 10, 2013, 07:47:19 AM
Anybody getting this message when trying to process the RAW Files to DNG in raw2dng application on Mac OSX 10.8.4 "Error: This ain't a lab_rec RAW file" Then "Is: *.dng: No such file or director Nothing converted"
Interestingly enough, some of the RAW files say that and others are normal and work fine! Just wanted to share this with everyone. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on June 10, 2013, 08:10:06 AM
Good morning... bug reports with versions from one month ago are not accepted ;)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: MoiraOBrien on June 11, 2013, 09:09:59 PM
Not sure where to post this.  I have been using Alpha3 without bootflag successfully.  I decided to try the RAW build but have problems installing.  I copied all the files as usual to the SD card, inserted into the camera and did a Firmware Upgrade as usual.  Upgrade continued through to "Enable Bootflag" and ":)".  After that nothing videowise or ML worked and when I looked at the card in the computer it was read only (card switch was at read/write).

I now have my 5D3 with bootflag enabled and reverted to Alpha 3 but with no way to remove the bootflag.

Questions:
1. Why is my SD card now read only?
2. How can I load RAW ML without this problem
3. How can I remove the Bootflag.

thanks

Moira
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on June 11, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
Not sure where to post this.  I have been using Alpha3 without bootflag successfully.  I decided to try the RAW build but have problems installing.  I copied all the files as usual to the SD card, inserted into the camera and did a Firmware Upgrade as usual.  Upgrade continued through to "Enable Bootflag" and ":)".  After that nothing videowise or ML worked and when I looked at the card in the computer it was read only (card switch was at read/write).

I now have my 5D3 with bootflag enabled and reverted to Alpha 3 but with no way to remove the bootflag.

Questions:
1. Why is my SD card now read only?
2. How can I load RAW ML without this problem
3. How can I remove the Bootflag.

thanks

Moira

Please stop posting in multiple boards.  You need to go here and post your questions:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

But .. before you ask the same question again, please read the manual, watch the video and also follow the first link to a tutorial on the manual.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: MoiraOBrien on June 12, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
Please stop posting in multiple boards.  You need to go here and post your questions:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

But .. before you ask the same question again, please read the manual, watch the video and also follow the first link to a tutorial on the manual.

Thanks for the links which sorted the problem for me.  I did however search the forums before posting and did not find these links, but I have just come across this post:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5810.msg42407#msg42407
which explains the issue I have with removing the bootflag - at the moment it appears to be impossible.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: upthinklab on June 12, 2013, 05:05:59 PM
I expanded my testing with the June 11th (4d1420a) build this morning using FPS override at lower frame rates. Once I drop the 5D3 below 6FPS I get noticeable vertical banding in the resulting DNG sequence. At 6FPS it looks good, at 2FPS the vertical banding is extremely visible without any additional post processing in camera RAW.

I'm using a 3 axis motion control rig (running steppers at top speed, continuous) to experiment with a hybrid approach to quick time-lapse style video using the new RAW module. I'm pleased with the results (even with the slight mBlur due to the continuous motion and slow shutter), but the banding makes it unusable for now.

Vertical Banding - JPG
example 1 - http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/verticalbanding_00104.jpg (http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/verticalbanding_00104.jpg)
example 2 - http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/verticalbanding_overexposed_00063.jpg (http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/verticalbanding_overexposed_00063.jpg)

Vertical Banding - DNG
example 1 - http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/000104.dng (http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/000104.dng)
example 2 - http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/000063.dng (http://upthink.tv/beta/ML/000063.dng)

Can anyone else replicate this?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on June 12, 2013, 05:09:19 PM
Optimize for low light.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: upthinklab on June 12, 2013, 05:22:28 PM
Optimize for low light.

I'll give that a try now. I was set to HiJello to get a slightly faster shutter speed since the 5D3 is in continuous motion on the moco rig. I'll report back after testing in "Low Light" mode.

If you don't mind me asking (I know you're busy with more important issues), but how does the faster shutter speed in FPS override affect the LV image to create the vertical banding? Is there anyway around this in future code?


EDIT: Confirmed, Optimize for Low Light removes vertical banding in DNG sequence.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on June 12, 2013, 05:35:14 PM
I have no idea how to solve that, it's specific to digic 5 cameras.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: upthinklab on June 12, 2013, 05:55:24 PM
@ 3FPS 1920x1080 only 10mb/s is required to record RAW. With the lower bandwidth, would it be possible to pull higher resolution (above 1920)?

I was able to go much higher at low FPS on an earlier 1% compile using a 6D.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ajay on June 13, 2013, 05:25:48 AM
Please forgive me if this was already mentioned, but at least the June 9th build and previous builds have a bug that you may or may not be aware of: When I delete a file in the file browser, I immediately lose the audio on my headset. To revive the headset audio, I must move the record video switch to live view, then back to record video mode. It's not a show-stopper, but it can be rather annoying.

You guys are GREAT!

AJ
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mannfilm on June 13, 2013, 11:58:56 PM
To confirm, there is no way to change audio levels while  recording raw (ie the "Q" is disabled)? The audio levels must be set first and left alone?

Note, if you hit the info or Q while recording in raw, it locks up the live audio levels. After stopping record, the levels are sometimes still de-activated until you use the canon "menu" button, which refreshs it?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: JackDaniel412 on June 15, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
The histogram ETTR at ISO 100 says that only 11 stop dynamic range on my MK III.
The MK II ETTR it shows 12.
It's true or I am crazy?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Northernlight on June 19, 2013, 12:06:50 AM
In the latest 5D3 build of June 17th the vertical stripes are back!!! :(

I thought these were gone for good by now!??

The stripes are not present in crop mode, only in regular 16:9 1920x1080 mode.
It does not matter if I use fps override or not, vertical stripes are there.

Where can I find the latest build where these stripes are gone??

Build from June 11th seem to be gone :(

EDIT: After reading through MANY threads, I accidentally discovered a post where it was mentioned that the latest sourcecode / RAW2DNG took care of this. I thought I had the latest source code in june 17th build?? Anyway, I installed latest RAW2DNG, and yes the stripes are gone!!

I know we are supposed to read through everything by ourself and preferably not be asking questions, but it is getting kinda difficult to know what is going on if you stay out of this forum for a couple of days :( - This was a rather crucial fix that should have had a headline somewhere imo.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: driftwood on June 19, 2013, 01:09:07 AM
Many of the latest builds I have here for those who need them. If ML want me to remove this link let me know.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/357k2kgbf4dx2zy/Upam6H6urE
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jpjp on June 19, 2013, 01:19:40 AM
In the latest 5D3 build of June 17th the vertical stripes are back!!! :(

I thought these were gone for good by now!??

The stripes are not present in crop mode, only in regular 16:9 1920x1080 mode.
It does not matter if I use fps override or not, vertical stripes are there.

Where can I find the latest build where these stripes are gone??

Build from June 11th seem to be gone :(

EDIT: After reading through MANY threads, I accidentally discovered a post where it was mentioned that the latest sourcecode / RAW2DNG took care of this. I thought I had the latest source code in june 17th build?? Anyway, I installed latest RAW2DNG, and yes the stripes are gone!!

I know we are supposed to read through everything by ourself and preferably not be asking questions, but it is getting kinda difficult to know what is going on if you stay out of this forum for a couple of days :( - This was a rather crucial fix that should have had a headline somewhere imo.
Running Magic Lantern June 15th(e75d49d) no stripes present also using Raw2dng 1.11 or 1.12 builds.
Edit: Seems like you were editing your post while i was typing this ;D
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: sksmseks on June 19, 2013, 02:26:33 PM
how can i record wav(sound) + 1080p 24fps ?

i record wav(sound) in SD.. than my CF card speed drop at 65~70m/s ;;
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hjfilmspeed on June 19, 2013, 11:56:55 PM
Some findings from Magic Lantern Lourenco June 17th(f4a7ab8) these are very minor bugs or user error.  nothing on except  shutter fine tuning

recorded a 2.35.1 1920 @ 23.976 with shutter fine tunning to set 180 degree
recorded a 5x crop 2.35.1 2240 at 29.976 twice (accidentally because i didnt set fps overide) with same shutter fine tuning
went to file manager and deleted those 2 2240 files
changed fps overide to 23.976 exact, adjusted shutter fine tuning for 180 degree shutter 
recorded a 5x crop 2.35.1 2240 at 23.976 fps override exact with 180 degree shutter fine tuning
turned off the auto power off. changed mode to 720 60p changed fps override to 48 exact and changed and adjusted shutter fine tuning to 180 degree
recorded 2.35.1 at 1920 at 48fps with shutter fine tuning
went to file manager and 2240 file and 1920 48 fps file were not there.
backed out of ml menu and then went back to file manager then the files were there but a really fast blip of what looked like words that said date and time flashed went away. backed out and then went back and then it flashed again
pulled batt just in case
went back to file manager and it was fine. not sure what it was.
the only thing i did differently from other times that i use ML is that i turn off the auto power off because i had left it on from a shoot . i usually keep that off before i load ML.
I remember seeing that lil date and time blip flash a while back from and earlier build too. hope this helps. sorry for poor bug reporting.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaphotog on June 21, 2013, 04:25:12 AM
Question, I seem to have a problem with my CF not wanting to record(camera reporting card may be full, when it's really only half full). So, I have to format the card to get it to work. Im now using ExFat to format the card. Is the only way to format with ExFat, to hook up to my mac?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: nicmac on June 21, 2013, 09:32:06 PM
Question, I seem to have a problem with my CF not wanting to record(camera reporting card may be full, when it's really only half full). So, I have to format the card to get it to work. Im now using ExFat to format the card. Is the only way to format with ExFat, to hook up to my mac?


Try connecting the card to a computer and emptying the trash or recycle bin. See if that fixed your full card but half used scenario. Regardless I would recommend formatting your CF exFat. A mac or windows machine can do so.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: sksmseks on June 21, 2013, 11:56:55 PM
June 19th build.

I recorded over 4gb(fat32 card).. but record didn't stop .

why so?

and.. now i have files M21-1520.RAW .R00 .R01 .R02   ....

it doesn't work at raw2dng ...

HELP me plz
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaphotog on June 22, 2013, 03:51:26 AM
when in crop mode(hitting the magnifying glass)
I want to do a 180 degree shutter, but 1/48 and 1/47 is not available. The closest options are 1/45 & 1/55 but the 1/45 option is in red, the other in green. What do you all select?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Stedda on June 22, 2013, 02:30:52 PM
I use 55 with FPS Override set to 23.976. Looks fine when it's rendered out.
I think you could go either way without issue but I'm not pro video guy.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: driftwood on June 22, 2013, 03:03:45 PM
@a1ex when we use 25p rec modes could you lockdown 50 shutter as base target on set ETTR instead of 30? - Its a tad annoying for manual lenses in PAL land.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: sicetime on June 23, 2013, 04:24:29 PM
Is there anyway to implement some sort of timecode on these?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mkrjf on June 24, 2013, 09:19:21 AM
I like sunset with trees and shadow as a dynamic range test.
Did simple test where I adjusted color on one frame dng to se what it might look like as color graded video.
Unfortunately the recording was at 2.497 fps (even though I selected 23.976??!!)

Anyway used magicraw then Adobe CS4 (16bit) then preview to flip to jpeg.
I see potential if I can get past the wonky settings and developers expectations that 422 is a great end product.
Hopefully it won't take too long to find useable config / settings.
Would really like it if raw2dng.app output prores4444 at 220Mbps rather than 20Mbps 422HQ - too low res for color grading INMHO
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Fauxto on June 24, 2013, 09:49:48 AM
I'm getting problems with two shots out of maybe 80 I have. The whole shot is split in two: one half normal and the other with image mirrored and tinted pink. I'm using the build of june the 17th and throwing the RAW file directly on raw2dng.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pinger007 on June 24, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
On the June 22nd build, the last frame of every shot is pink mess of pixels.  This occurred on each of 22 shots captured onto a 64gb Komputerbay 1000x card.  My previous build was June 13th and I never had this issue. 

Keep up the good work!  Thanks.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: rrrmusic on June 25, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
On the June 22nd build, don't see the option to record audio wav separately on SD

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Fauxto on June 25, 2013, 07:29:25 PM
Here's an example of the half pink video I was talking about:

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: rebelj12a on June 27, 2013, 03:50:29 AM
Build 6dfbee9 June 25th - Canon 5d Mark III - Komputerbay 1000x CF
Im getting an error with raw recording.

Happens somewhat intermittently, did not happen on first test of recording, however 2 subsequent upload times it happened.

The error was a footer mismatch. 2 extra files appeared the first time besides the raw file.

M26-1932.R00
M26-1932.R01

Removed the card uploaded the raw file, unreadable by raw2dng.

Error Message
This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

Deleted files from CF card and tried again. Same error however with this raw recording only .R00 showed up.

Figured I'd dump the error. Ill try again in a bit.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: rrrmusic on June 27, 2013, 04:48:14 AM
Again I am using June 25 build and I have NO audio option in the RAW video menu. FPS override off
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Felix on June 27, 2013, 05:02:48 AM
"a1ex committed 2013-06-21 (raw commit)
raw_rec: sound is known to get out of sync, disabling for now. Keeping sync beeps."
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaphotog on June 27, 2013, 05:37:17 AM
Build 6dfbee9 June 25th - Canon 5d Mark III - Komputerbay 1000x CF
Im getting an error with raw recording.

Happens somewhat intermittently, did not happen on first test of recording, however 2 subsequent upload times it happened.

The error was a footer mismatch. 2 extra files appeared the first time besides the raw file.

M26-1932.R00
M26-1932.R01

Removed the card uploaded the raw file, unreadable by raw2dng.

Error Message
This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

Deleted files from CF card and tried again. Same error however with this raw recording only .R00 showed up.

Figured I'd dump the error. Ill try again in a bit.

I believe those are from 4gb file splits. when you record to a fat32 formatted card, a file can't be larger than 4gb, so the camera automatically splits them. The r01/r02... are the seperate parts of the same raw file. Try formatting your card ExFat and recording a huge file and see if you still get those files.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: obnoxious on June 27, 2013, 03:46:26 PM
I just installed the latest june 25th build and it seems that I am getting a weird white box in the top left corner of my frame on HDMI out. On the back of the LCD screen all is fine. Is anyone having problems with external monitoring with the latest build?

Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tother on July 01, 2013, 08:40:37 AM
Does anyone know how to turn off the black recording screen overlay (which shows you your buffer/frame count while recording)? I need to have the hdmi output clear off text for framing shots - darn text is right over most of the subjects faces.

Thanks, J
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: haemma on July 01, 2013, 10:22:32 AM
In the ML settings there is an option called "console" or so, turn it of, the overlay will be gone.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: rebelj12a on July 02, 2013, 07:19:39 AM
Ah ok, weirder only happens occasionally not sure why hmm ill try formatting for exfat then
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: evanamorphic on July 03, 2013, 02:10:46 AM
We put the hack through its paces over the weekend in the 48 hour film race. It was kind of a gamble to shoot raw for something like this, but I wanted to see if we could turnaround fast enough. Had a couple minor crashes, but it was a pretty good real world test. 

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Levinson on July 03, 2013, 06:25:50 AM

wow, 5+ days without an update - is progress finally slowing down?

It's been a very enjoyable ride so far  :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ValentinDeluy on July 04, 2013, 02:15:55 AM
I have shot a music video on Sunday using a 5DIII RAW and I have filed up six Komputerbay 64gb 1000x cards.
Everything went nice except for the extremely large amount of data.
- In normal mode 1920x1080 23.976 fps I never got a single problem except for record stop very rarely.
- In normal mode 1728x606 48 fps sometimes it's continuous, sometimes it stops recording, 50/50.
- In 1:1 mode 1920x1080 23.976 I get pink frames (zero to few) and one brighter frame (15th).
- 1728x606 48 fps is impossible in 1:1 mode, I cannot get more then 31.873 fps ...
- Data rate gets slower (70mb/s compare to almost 100mb/s) @ higher frame rates ??
I used June 27th build and exFAT format. FPS override always on.

Also, working with RAW (DNG) showed me that I cannot push latitude correction so much, highlights recovery works but I need a good exposure during recording.
The colors are very nice, noise @ low ISOs is absent (especially compare to the native 640 ISO of the Pany GH2).
I find that @ high ISO latitude is very minimal, dark areas cannot get lifted, GH2 (@640ISO) is noisier but a little better on this side. 

Thank you Magic Lantern team for all the hard work !
Cheers from France.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: friano75 on July 04, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
I got 102MB/s while recording raw in 2560x1090 24fps crop mode (for 350 frames). Really cool. I recognized some strange overexposed frames with fps override on !? mostly the 25 frame. But hey, I like Magic lantern :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Simone1971 on July 07, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
i know that you eliminated audio recording due to out of syncing, but meanwhile you try to solve the problem, why don't you reinsert this feature? an audio out of sync is easy to resync, a video without audio is not very beautiful and is unuseful.

Great job anyway, video recorded in raw with 5d mkiii are simply wonderfull, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wintix on July 07, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
if you have to sync anyway, just get an external recorder. it will also yield way better results than the internal mic / a hot shoe mounted one.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Simone1971 on July 08, 2013, 09:10:41 AM
Yes sure, but if you are in a sudden situation or you are not able to carry external recorder anyway, or simply the audio is only effects (i.e. Sound of nature) how do you do? Not every day is necessary to record audio on external device, but every day audio is necessary...
Yesterday i had to do a backstage during siena's palio into thousands and thousands of people (in those situations an external sound recorder with boom is impossible to carry...) and the result is that i've tons of videos without audio...

So, why don't having the possibility to choose mute recordings or videos with out of sync audio?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tridluu on July 08, 2013, 09:21:24 AM
Yes sure, but if you are in a sudden situation or you are not able to carry external recorder anyway, or simply the audio is only effects (i.e. Sound of nature) how do you do? Not every day is necessary to record audio on external device, but every day audio is necessary...
Yesterday i had to do a backstage during siena's palio into thousands and thousands of people (in those situations an external sound recorder with boom is impossible to carry...) and the result is that i've tons of videos without audio...

So, why don't having the possibility to choose mute recordings or videos with out of sync audio?

Why not develop the code yourself? These developers are working hard to find the right settings for all of us to use. This thread is to figure out what is wrong and give input so developers can figure things out. All of us know there is an audio sync issue, its not like this is something new or something they don't want to fix. Its out for a reason.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Filippo Chiesa on July 08, 2013, 12:01:03 PM
Thanks guys for your great work!
I used ML on my 5D3 in Iceland... it rocks!!!

Here is the video:

(sharpened version)

(non sharpened version)

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: toddicus on July 08, 2013, 05:22:34 PM
Hello All!  I've enjoyed testing raw video, it's simply the prettiest footage I've ever had the joy of working with.

I had some fun this weekend shooting at a 4th of July party, really with just the intent of testing workflows and stability.  I was still running the June 20th build, worked well.  I have a more complete write up in the Vimeo description if you're interested but here are the stats I guess, 66 clips shot, 2 x 32 GB cards (Lexar Professional 1000x), 5D mark iii, 1920x1080p at 23.976fps.


I know my colors are all over the place, I just didn't have the time to tweak like I'd like to.

Thanks to the developers!

-
Todd
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Simone1971 on July 09, 2013, 08:51:40 AM
@tridluu
Read my first comment please, the work of those guys is great and i've thanked strongly them, i've only asked one thing, so why you answer in this acid mode? I've wrote only what i think should be usefull to fully use this fantastic firmware, but if you think that i can't do this because i should offend guys of magic lantern you are wrong, isn't in my mind...
If i'll be able to compile the code and give a hand to magic lantern be shure i'd done yet from many many time...

Thank you very much to magic lantern for firmware...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Arthur Rambo on July 09, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
Hello Simone1971,
No offense, but when you say "and the result is that i've tons of videos without audio..." it sounds a lot like reproach.
You don't go shooting without testing your gear or firmware beforehand. That's what I would do ;)
Cheers
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Simone1971 on July 09, 2013, 12:51:39 PM
Sorry, not in my mind to criticize the worderfull work of magic lantern's guys!

Pardon for misunderstandings!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: fanman7 on July 09, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
Perhaps there is a language barrier that is causing all this animosity towards Simone1971. He/She has already apologized. Let's move on.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jake badlands on July 11, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
I uses ML's latest night build from 27 june. Have a "bug" with magnification when focusing. After 1 tap (2x) - there b&w image with weird noise, aliasing and low image quality. Second tap (4x) - it's ok! Third tap (10x) - ok!
(it can be mistake with zoom factors that i wrote). Someone have this?

p.s. BIG Thanks for ML!!!!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Levinson on July 12, 2013, 01:35:00 AM
jake - that's normal. it's ml's method of giving you an accurate "used sensor area" preview in zoom mode.

if you don't like it, switch preview to "canon" in the ml menu.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sthirasukha on July 12, 2013, 02:27:25 AM
I've compared the Raw 1920x1080 25fps (with 64GB Lexar x1000 5D MKIII) with the H.264 (Canon native) with the same traveling camera and, as everyone knows, the Raw is better... except that it's really more fluid with the H.264. The Raw footage looks more stroboscopic when I move the camera. Does anyone feel the same and does that mean that I need to add motion blur on post (AE for example)? Does it come from the way each images are recorded on the CF card? Any suggestion to have smoother result? Thanks again ML team!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 3pointedit on July 12, 2013, 02:56:16 AM
Sthirasukha, how acurately have you tested this? The only place that the apparent temporal change could come from is the compressor. It is partially a temporal compressor and could, under the right circumstances, produce odd movement from frame to frame. But I really doubt it. Is there any way that you could shoot identical movement and lay them on top of one another?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pascal on July 12, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Hello. Does anyone know where the Shutter Lock setting is in the latest build? I looked in the manual but it is no longer in the Movie section !?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jake badlands on July 12, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
jake - that's normal. it's ml's method of giving you an accurate "used sensor area" preview in zoom mode.

if you don't like it, switch preview to "canon" in the ml menu.
Thanks!  :) old school method for me is better
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aviel740 on July 15, 2013, 11:14:11 AM
Has anyone had any problems with random exposure changes using ML raw on the 5D3? The camera is set on fully manual and this doesn't happen using the standard H.264. I went through the ML menu trying to find out why I'm getting this but didn't see settings that seemed to apply to this. I started shooting a somewhat important video in raw a couple days ago only to discover this problem. I used the July 11th build and converted it in RAWMagic then imported it into After Effects. I tried using raw2dng but I'm getting the same results. Also I shot a video using the raw function in early June and only encountered this in 1 shot out of about 25, this time it's more extreme. Is there a fix for this? Are my settings or workflow off somewhere? Can I recover the footage or should I go ahead and re-shoot it? I can post a short sample as well if need be. Sorry if this question has already been addressed, I haven't come across this after reading quite a bit about ML raw in the past month or so.

Thanks,
Aviel
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pinger007 on July 15, 2013, 07:16:31 PM
Here's a recent interview I shot last week with 5DM3 July 11th build.  I would have liked to have spent more time lighting the subject and doing a more selective grade, but the turnaround time was very short.  The workflow wasn't without hiccups here and there, but for the most part it's a straightforward process.  I batch converted the RAW files to dng sequences and DNxHD proxies with Rawanizer ver 0.5.5. The DNxHD proxies were used to edit the footage in Adobe Premiere CC. Once edited, the sequence was brought into Adobe After Effects CC via Dynamic Link and the proxies were replaced with the RAW dng sequences. I performed a first light color correction in ACR, and additional corrections are performed in AE.  I overlayed some 35mm Gorilla Grain, but the vimeo h264 processing kinda kills it.  :(


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Mickeyboo on July 15, 2013, 09:33:36 PM
Nice work Pinger....I guess it's time to bring out my slate...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: NtiT on July 16, 2013, 04:56:27 AM
Thanks guys for your great work!
I used ML on my 5D3 in Iceland... it rocks!!!

Here is the video:

(sharpened version)

(non sharpened version)

Thanks again!

Great job! Really digging that transition at 1:14.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sthirasukha on July 16, 2013, 09:57:07 AM
@3pointedit
I found why I had non fluid footage with raw setting 1920x1080 25fps (with 64GB Lexar x1000 5D MKIII):
I kept my old ML setting while I updated the new nightly builds. I put it away and keep only the new build (july 13th) and it works well now.
I also discovered that with the new builds I can keep now the setting raw+L(jpg) on the Canon menu, the ML Raw rec 1920x1080 25fps works perfectly well without any drop. Any chance the sound could come back? Thanks again...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: legreve on July 16, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
Here's a recent interview I shot last week with 5DM3 July 11th build.  I would have liked to have spent more time lighting the subject and doing a more selective grade, but the turnaround time was very short.  The workflow wasn't without hiccups here and there, but for the most part it's a straightforward process.  I batch converted the RAW files to dng sequences and DNxHD proxies with Rawanizer ver 0.5.5. The DNxHD proxies were used to edit the footage in Adobe Premiere CC. Once edited, the sequence was brought into Adobe After Effects CC via Dynamic Link and the proxies were replaced with the RAW dng sequences. I performed a first light color correction in ACR, and additional corrections are performed in AE.  I overlayed some 35mm Gorilla Grain, but the vimeo h264 processing kinda kills it.  :(



Pinger.... what was your sound workflow? Did you just fidlde in the sync or how did you do it?

EDIT: Doh... I should just read the description ;) Slate it is then...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jas.brooks on July 16, 2013, 07:18:01 PM
@3pointedit
I found why I had non fluid footage with raw setting 1920x1080 25fps (with 64GB Lexar x1000 5D MKIII):

I kept my old ML setting while I updated the new nightly builds. I put it away and keep only the new build (july 13th) and it works well now.


I also discovered that with the new builds I can keep now the setting raw+L(jpg) on the Canon menu, the ML Raw rec 1920x1080 25fps works perfectly well without any drop. Any chance the sound could come back? Thanks again...

Any chance you could explain more explicitly what you mean by "old ML setting" & "I put it away"? I know that my misunderstanding may be due to a slight language barrier, but I have experienced a similar problem (footage looks like it has a weird cadence), and am keen to avoid it in future.

I'm now testing the July 13th build (as far as I know it's a clean install), and will check for any residual occurrence of the original issue, and report back.

Thanks (and many, MANY thanks to all those involved on the dev side of ML :-)

jason
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaphotog on July 16, 2013, 08:08:55 PM
Any chance you could explain more explicitly what you mean by "old ML setting" & "I put it away"? I know that my misunderstanding may be due to a slight language barrier, but I have experienced a similar problem (footage looks like it has a weird cadence), and am keen to avoid it in future.

I'm now testing the July 13th build (as far as I know it's a clean install), and will check for any residual occurrence of the original issue, and report back.

Thanks (and many, MANY thanks to all those involved on the dev side of ML :-)

jason
When you chane the settings in magic lantern, it leaves a file on your card. That way, every time your camera boots, it loads the settings from the card. Chances are, he deleted that file that stores the settings, off of his card.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sthirasukha on July 17, 2013, 12:53:10 AM
Yes, aaphotog, you're right, that's exactly what I have done. When I created my personal menu in ML, a file named "settings" in ML folder has been created so that each time I boot my camera, I have my own settings back. But it seems that there were a conflict between the settings I created for the June 22th build and the same settings I intended to use with the July 13th build. I know it was stupid to keep it... I couldn't imagine such an issue. Hope it makes sense for you jas.brooks.

And sorry if it's not the discussion but FYI, I tested 3 time the same Raw footage to Prores 422HQ with
1- AE (with ACR)
2- NukeX (with J_Ops_2.0v1)
3- Resolve 9 Lite
Result of render time:
40 min AE 
18 min NukeX (works the same with DNG or CinemaDNG)
2 min Resolve 9
I have to go deeper to the investigation because it depends on the raw settings but it might interest some people.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank209 on July 17, 2013, 09:22:26 PM
I have something that doesn't bother me that much, but i thought you guys would want to know;

As soon as i turn on "Raw recording" in the ML menu my "zebra" overlay becomes much smaller on my HDMI out..
I'm not really clear I guess so here is the photo:

It's a 5dmk3 running with the nightly build from 2013-07-12

this is regular (internal display)     : http://www.adaptermedia.nl/?attachment_id=334
this is with HDMI (external)           : http://www.adaptermedia.nl/?attachment_id=333 

Am i doing something wrong?
Oh and thank you guys for doing an amazing job! you guys are awesome.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: legreve on July 18, 2013, 01:18:41 PM
I thought the 5D3 build was buggy with HDMi out running?

Don't have an answer to your question, but can I ask you one... are you getting continous recording even with monitor attached?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank209 on July 18, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
I thought the 5D3 build was buggy with HDMi out running?

Don't have an answer to your question, but can I ask you one... are you getting continous recording even with monitor attached?

yes. no problem at all.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaphotog on July 18, 2013, 07:22:14 PM
The card(depending on speed) will allow you to continuously record depending on resolution. BUT there IS a speed drop. If you are recording at a resoliution that allows you to only get 800 frames, you might only get 4-500 with a monitor.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank209 on July 18, 2013, 10:29:48 PM
never realized that.. will try this weekend...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mannfilm on July 19, 2013, 02:15:41 AM
Please, please, please reinstate the audio for use in two system. With two system we sync on noise (clapper, hand clap) or if desperate, manually sync up with waveforms on the first couple seconds. But we desperately need something more then that little beep that our Tascam does not pick up.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: legreve on July 19, 2013, 08:52:12 AM
Last night I tried connecting my Cineroid EVF 4RVW but I'm getting a funny aspect ratio on the monitor and it for some reason says "1080 60i".

I haven't set that anywhere, and I can't find anywhere where I'm supposed to change anything either on the camera or the monitor.

Anyone know how to handle the monitor setup?

EDIT:

Ok, it still says 1080 60i, but I found out that under MLs advanced settings you can choose what kind of aspect ratio the camera sends to the external unit. Mine was set to 3:2... just set that back to 16:9 and everything looks fine, apart from not filling out the monitor completely (uses about 80% of the screen size).

Unfortunately, the EVF's own peaking doesn't work. But since the 5D3 sends out all overlays, the peaking from ML comes along with it.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: odlan on July 21, 2013, 07:12:24 PM
Hello in the latest build of lourenco (July 16th) is missing BOLT_REC MODULE.
Is correct ??
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hmcindie on July 21, 2013, 10:53:53 PM
For some reason the 28th build is occasionally crashing with manual lenses (lenses with no electronic contacts). Has anyone experienced this with the newer builds? Also is there a raw2dng converter that can take out bad pixels (I have one on my 5dmkIII) like Marekk compiled for the 60d?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jpope on July 23, 2013, 12:22:59 AM
I'm having issues with most of the clips not reading in the ML raw2dng. Is this correct?
I shot seven clips and only 3 would parse through the app.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sthirasukha on July 23, 2013, 09:48:11 AM
There is a bug with the last new builds (July 13th, 16th and 22nd): the file browser doesn't work and the 5D MKIII is frozen until I take out the battery.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: lourenco on July 23, 2013, 01:12:06 PM
Hello in the latest build of lourenco (July 16th) is missing BOLT_REC MODULE.
Is correct ??

Bolt_rec is not compatable to the current raw_rec. You would need to use an older build for this feature until bolt_rec is updated by  g3gg0, which probably will not happen until the new version of raw_rec is created. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: lourenco on July 23, 2013, 01:15:10 PM
I'm having issues with most of the clips not reading in the ML raw2dng. Is this correct?
I shot seven clips and only 3 would parse through the app.
Current raw2dng for windows. Not sure what operating system you are using. http://acoutts.com/a1ex/raw2dng.exe
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: lourenco on July 23, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
There is a bug with the last new builds (July 13th, 16th and 22nd): the file browser doesn't work and the 5D MKIII is frozen until I take out the battery.

It has been working fine on my camera. When does it freeze up?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sthirasukha on July 24, 2013, 09:26:20 AM
Yes, Lourenco, you're right, my CF card (Lexar 1000x 64 GB) had something wrong (I think I have to reformat it), I tried with another one and the browser works perfectly well (just like before). Thanks again for your great job, ML team!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: xRun on July 25, 2013, 02:43:50 AM
Running a test-capture of raw video in 1920x1280 right now, to see how long it keeps running on a single charge. Testing this specifically with time-lapse in mind, so I've reduced the framerate to 1fps and it only writes about 5MB/sec to the Lexar 32GB 1000X CF-card I'm testing with in my 5d3. So far it's been half an hour and counting.
Just wondering about those 1280 lines I set it up with, is that the max possible? Would be sweet if it could run at this low framerate at full resolution, or maybe 4K. I realize that'd be a tall order for full motion video, but this is for timelapse instead of wearing out the shutter with stills shots. I'd be interested to see some thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: toddicus on July 26, 2013, 05:35:57 AM
xRun, I'm pretty sure you could record at 3.5K in crop mode at 1fps.  Look up how that works and you should be in good shape.  You'll have a smaller area of the sensor sampled 1 to 1 so your lenses will be a little less wide, but you'd have the resolution you want.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: xRun on July 27, 2013, 05:01:16 AM
3.5K in crop mode at 1fps
I haven't seen that option (crop) anywhere in the menus so far, am I missing it or isn't it there?
Oh and btw: for nighttime timelapses I'm running into the 1/30 sec shutter limit, can't seem to sample light for longer than that pr. frame. When I'm doing 1fps time lapse it sure would be nice to get almost as long shutter time when it is that dark, like 0.8 sec or something.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johansugarev on July 27, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
To enable crop mode just toggle the digital zoom button once - enter x5 zoom mode. Beware that framing on the LCD is a bit off what you get on the recording. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: xRun on July 27, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
- framing on the LCD is a bit off what you get on the recording.
Shooting in 3,5K for a 1080p timelapse, the final framings and pans will be chosen or adjusted in post anyway.
Thanks for the tip, if this works I'm blown away. :D

If I could only get past that 1/30 exposure limit now, I could use this for night sky timelapses too, but for now that shutter-wear will have to be covered by my semi-retired older EOS body.

Edit: I see, in 3.5K the aspect snaps to 2.72 (Kinopanorama). And since 1320px is max vertical the only way to get a taller aspect is cropping the width of the picture. Is there any way to get more than 1320 lines? Hmm need wider glass.  ;D
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on July 27, 2013, 07:15:48 PM
Shooting in 3,5K for a 1080p timelapse, the final framings and pans will be chosen or adjusted in post anyway.
Thanks for the tip, if this works I'm blown away. :D

If I could only get past that 1/30 exposure limit now, I could use this for night sky timelapses too, but for now that shutter-wear will have to be covered by my semi-retired older EOS body.

Edit: I see, in 3.5K the aspect snaps to 2.72 (Kinopanorama). And since 1320px is max vertical the only way to get a taller aspect is cropping the width of the picture. Is there any way to get more than 1320 lines? Hmm need wider glass.  ;D

If your goal is to have the highest resolution possible at 1fps, why not just use a combination of the intervalometer and silent shutter mode?  Even with a relatively slow/moderate card, you should be able to pull off 5760 × 3840 (and your wide angle glass will stay wide angle).  :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: xRun on July 27, 2013, 09:13:52 PM
- a combination of the intervalometer and silent shutter mode -
Without putting actuations and mechanical wear on the shutter? That's the reason I'm trying to do it in video mode, cause those actuations are adding up fast.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on July 27, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
Without putting actuations and mechanical wear on the shutter? That's the reason I'm trying to do it in video mode, cause those actuations are adding up fast.

Silent shutter doesn't fire the mechanical shutter (unless I am mistaken).  Look under the photo menu in ML.
Just read the manual - guess it won't do full res.  Nevermind (though if you can tolerate less than 1fps, the high-res mode may be worth investigating).

http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Unified/UserGuide#silent-pictures
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: xRun on July 27, 2013, 11:29:00 PM
Silent shutter doesn't fire the mechanical shutter (unless I am mistaken).  Look under the photo menu in ML.
Just read the manual - guess it won't do full res.  Nevermind (though if you can tolerate less than 1fps, the high-res mode may be worth investigating).

http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Unified/UserGuide#silent-pictures
Ok, I see. I would actually take a full sensor picture every 5 or even 10 secs if I could get it, so going beyond 1fps is no hurdle for this purpose.
If I understand this correctly, silent low-res causes no mechanical movements but is only 1-2mpx in resolution. That would make it diffucult to pan across the recorded frames and still keep 1080p or better in the finished video. So that means high-res preferably with the whole 22mpx sensor recorded once every 5-10 seconds, or that's where I'm trying to get anyway, but without wearing out the shutter.
High-res silent seems like a good option even though it zigzags across the frame to get all of it, but with a 10 or even 20 second exposure there would be tearing and other issues with the interval between whole high-res frames climbing into minutes. It's a challenge, I know, and best bet so far seems to be 3.5k with a wider lens, cause that'll produce high-res images in a single shot each time, and with some room to pan in post. It's limited to use between dawn and dusk though, cause I'm not getting those extra long exposures in this mode.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tronics on July 30, 2013, 04:24:59 PM
Ok, I see. I would actually take a full sensor picture every 5 or even 10 secs if I could get it, so going beyond 1fps is no hurdle for this purpose.
If I understand this correctly, silent low-res causes no mechanical movements but is only 1-2mpx in resolution. That would make it diffucult to pan across the recorded frames and still keep 1080p or better in the finished video. So that means high-res preferably with the whole 22mpx sensor recorded once every 5-10 seconds, or that's where I'm trying to get anyway, but without wearing out the shutter.
High-res silent seems like a good option even though it zigzags across the frame to get all of it, but with a 10 or even 20 second exposure there would be tearing and other issues with the interval between whole high-res frames climbing into minutes. It's a challenge, I know, and best bet so far seems to be 3.5k with a wider lens, cause that'll produce high-res images in a single shot each time, and with some room to pan in post. It's limited to use between dawn and dusk though, cause I'm not getting those extra long exposures in this mode.

I want to do the same. We made one film where we had 4000 shutter releases, now the client wants 50 such films - crazyness!
Did you find a solution yet?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on July 30, 2013, 04:34:46 PM
For very long exposure, recording at 1fps or so and averaging the frames in post should do the trick.

With this, you will also get better dynamic range (for example, when averaging 16 pics, the standard deviation of the noise should be 4 times lower, so you effectively get 2 stops of extra DR if I'm not overlooking something).

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tronics on July 30, 2013, 04:40:24 PM
For very long exposure, recording at 1fps or so and averaging the frames in post should do the trick.

With this, you will also get better dynamic range (for example, when averaging 16 pics, the standard deviation of the noise should be 4 times lower, so you effectively get 2 stops of extra DR if I'm not overlooking something).

How to do "averaging" in After Effects? Never heard of it but sounds great!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on July 30, 2013, 04:47:12 PM
I don't use After Effects, but here's a plugin that does it in VirtualDub: http://bit.ly/frame-merger

or grab your C compiler and modify raw2dng to average all the video frames and output a single DNG. Or, average every X frames and output a DNG sequence with less frames. I'm sure others will find it useful.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tronics on July 30, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
I don't use After Effects, but here's a plugin that does it in VirtualDub: http://bit.ly/frame-merger

or grab your C compiler and modify raw2dng to average all the video frames and output a single DNG. Or, average every X frames and output a DNG sequence with less frames. I'm sure others will find it useful.

Amazing thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 1ricca on July 30, 2013, 06:46:55 PM
Annoying question... where are the nightly builds being posted with RAW enabled?

Sorry, I did search. I've been deep on the T4i nightly builds in their own repository and now I finally have my own 5d3.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on July 30, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
There is a sticky with all the nightly builds listed just above this thread.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on July 31, 2013, 01:37:50 AM
I had this problem once, now it s back with july 22nd built.
if i press half shutter (usually to go back to live view), the mirror always swaps up and down, like it s taking a picture. but it does not.
any idea of what this could be?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: scarluuk on August 01, 2013, 12:21:38 AM
I had this problem once, now it s back with july 22nd built.
if i press half shutter (usually to go back to live view), the mirror always swaps up and down, like it s taking a picture. but it does not.
any idea of what this could be?

Sounds like auto focus without live view.
Try setting off auto focus or change live view autofocus to one of the other features.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on August 02, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
That s right, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: HugoFilipe on August 02, 2013, 03:03:12 PM
I've just loaded the 2nd Aug. firmware but there is still missing sound recording.
Even out sync, this is an important feature, is there any chance i can load a sound rec module or could someone point me the link for the latest build with sound recording enabled?
Is there any expected timeframe to have this enabled?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 02, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
Don't really see the point of out of sync drifting audio. Just record audio on a separate recorder like all the big boys do and you'll be a lot happier when you get to post.

I'm sure the guys are looking into ways to fix it, but in the meantime it's really useless to have out of sync audio.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: M@ster on August 02, 2013, 11:41:40 PM
Is there an option for shooting in crop mode 3x but not in Raw, like 650D latest nightly build have? I didn't find that for 5D3.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sganzerla on August 02, 2013, 11:44:48 PM
Looks like the start bip of my MKIII is 3 frames away from the starting point of the image recording when syncing audio with my H4n.
Does anyone agree with this number too? This was with the latest 2 builds (except this one from August).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on August 04, 2013, 03:36:14 AM
Exist a way to get, from RAW2DNG or MAGIC Raw,  a way to join raw with wav?

Anybody knows a way to do this faster?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: legreve on August 05, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
Don't really see the point of out of sync drifting audio. Just record audio on a separate recorder like all the big boys do and you'll be a lot happier when you get to post.

I'm sure the guys are looking into ways to fix it, but in the meantime it's really useless to have out of sync audio.

The point is simply the beep / clap... if you have accompanying sound off the camera, it would be easier to align the two signals.
What happens after the clap on the camera audio doesn't matter :)

Assuming that when you import the clip and the audio that they are in sync from the get go of course.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pinger007 on August 05, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
If the audio beep isn't in sync, then what's the point?  Why don't you just use a slate (or clap your hands for that matter)?  It's not difficult at all to sync up that way.  People have done it this way for over 80 years, so why not do it (at least until they get the accompanying audio issues ironed out)?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Shield on August 05, 2013, 09:11:44 PM
If the audio beep isn't in sync, then what's the point?  Why don't you just use a slate (or clap your hands for that matter)?  It's not difficult at all to sync up that way.  People have done it this way for over 80 years, so why not do it (at least until they get the accompanying audio issues ironed out)?

I agree - the thing for me is the run and gun stuff; if I have my Zoom recorder in a shock proof mount on the hotshoe then I have no room to affix my external LCD.  I know there are workarounds for this too like using a cage but at the end of the day it's very handy having the camera record the audio.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: blackcannonfilms on August 06, 2013, 04:38:40 AM
Hey guys, I just tested the Aug 2nd release and for some reason none of my .RAW files would convert. I tried with both Raw2Dng and with RawMagic. Raw2Dng gave me an error saying something about no such directory and RawMagic simply crashed repeatedly. I thought maybe I had messed up the naming of the root folders when dumping the card onto my hard drive and that perhaps that could've been the reason the .RAW files weren't converting, so I tried dumping them a couple of times and I even tried to convert directly via my USB 2.0 card reader and it didn't make a difference. So I went back and did a quick test with an older build (june 2nd I believe) and it worked perfectly fine. So yeah.. something is up with this latest one.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pinger007 on August 06, 2013, 06:53:58 AM
Absolutely, having sync audio recorded in-cam is immensely valuable, but we're not talking about that - I'm referring to the fact that there are issues with beeps (and wave audio when it's enabled) being out of sync.  It creates more of a headache than it's worth, so why do people complain when it's not there?  If you can afford a $4000 camera, then surely you can afford a proper mic setup, or at the very least a hot shoe extender ($15 on Amazon) for both your Zoom (please don't say you're using the zoom's built-in mic) and your monitor.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Ashelz on August 08, 2013, 06:22:47 AM
Hey all,

I thought I would share...

I just completed a little film 'Budgie Takes a Bath' on my 5diii in RAW. Results are amazing I love being able to shoot indoors and to recover highlights from exterior shots! Shot at 50 fps 1920x508 and stretched by 167% to achieve 1920x818 '2.35:1' and conformed to 25p in post, close ups were shot at 25fps 2.5k (2560x1090)!! Detail, dynamic range, highlight recovery, is all just incredible!

Here is the link - 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jake badlands on August 09, 2013, 11:45:55 PM
Hey all,

I thought I would share...

I just completed a little film 'Budgie Takes a Bath' on my 5diii in RAW. Results are amazing! Shot at 50 fps (1920x818) and conformed to 25p in post, and close ups were shot at 25fps 2.5k (2560x1090)!! Detail, dynamic range, highlight recovery, is all just incredible!

Here is the link - 

How do you reach 1920x818 50fps perfomance? In menu maximum selectable resolution is: 1920x672.
Here my results using Transcend 64Gb 1000x.

PAL mode:

(2:35) 50p
1920x672@50p 217 frames ("small hacks" activated) and 370 frames ("memory hack" and "small hacks" activated)
1920x508@50p 2000 frames !!! ("small hacks" activated) and 2600 frames ("memory hack" and "small hacks" activated)
1856x492@50p continuous !!! (without any hacks activated)

(2:35) 25p 2,5K (zoom x5, fps override to 25p)
2560x1090@25p only 130 frames ("small hacks" activated) and 180 frames ("memory hack" and "small hacks" activated)
2240x954@25p continuous !!! (without any hacks activated)

(16:9) 25p 2K (zoom x5, fps override to 25p)
2048x1152@24p 1300frames ("memory hack" or "memory hack" +"small hacks" activated)

(16:9) 24p 1080
1920x1080@25p continuous !!! (without any hacks activated)


NTSC mode:
(2:35) 60p
1600x424@60p continuous!!! (2:35 aspect)
1728x458@60p  2700 frames ("memory hack" and "small hacks" activated)

(2:35) 24p 2,5K (zoom x5, fps override to 24p)
2560x1090@24p only 180 frames ("small hacks" activated) and 230 frames ("memory hack" and "small hacks" activated)
2240x954@24p continuous !!! (without any hacks activated)

(16:9) 24p 2K (zoom x5, fps override to 24p)
2048x1152@24p continuous !!! ("small hacks" activated)

(16:9) 24p 1080
1920x1080@24p continuous !!! (without any hacks activated)

I uses Global Draw: ON (all modes)

What the CF do you using? Closeups recorded at 5x magnify crop mode? How many frames do you recorded at 2,5k (2560x1090) continuously?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Ashelz on August 10, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
@jake badlands It was shot at 1920x508 stretched by 167% to achieve 1920x818 '2.35:1'.

I'm using a Sandisk extreme 60mb/s CF card - I don't need continuous, so it's capturing enough frames for me to work with at the moment. At 50p  (1920x508 no memory hack or small hacks enabled, Global Draw ON with crop marks) i was getting around 290 frames, but slowing that down gave me plenty to work with. At 2.5k i was getting around 80 frames. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: san40k on August 11, 2013, 06:02:25 AM
Hello from a newbie and a huge thanks to ML developers and community - you are amazingly great!

I'm making my first steps with ML and raw video and want to share my experience, hope it will help newcomers! I've used the august 6th build with 64GB komputerbay and everything worked quite well so far :)

Here is what i learned:

- change camera settings (turn off things to free more resources for raw shooting) according to the great guide http://www.dvxuser.com/guides/ml_raw_guide_5DIII_full.pdf Following it I was able to shoot 1920x1080 with up to 24FPS with no frame drop

- I cannot shoot 1920x1080 with 30FPS (27.7xx) to my card - frame drop in a few hundred frames

- Merge multiple 4GB files (ie copy /B file1.RAW+file1.R00 c:\file1.RAW) to your HDD, as CF's filesystem doesn't support larger than 4GB

- I successfully tried the "Photoshop(ACR) -> Jpeg -> virtualdub" and "Photoshop(ACR) -> Tiff -> Adobe Premier" processes, no particular preference so far.

- copy your .dng to the fastest drive (SSD) before dropping them to photoshop, first few times it took so long that i wasn't sure if photoshop is still operational

- I downloaded gopro cineform studio (found in this forum), and used it in virtual dub process. Still, I'm not clear on the whole codecs thing, something to learn further

Results of course are amazing, although the amount of time and efforts to produce them is quite substantial, especially the first few videos.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: akfreak on August 11, 2013, 09:54:34 AM
Sorry to bother you guys. I downloaded the latest Aug 6 version for the 5d mKiii. I install the package like all of the other times. I update the firmware in camera and get a Smiley Face (my mkIII is running 1.1.3 not 1.1.2). However when I press the trash can button, ML does not load.  I saw in a video tut, the fellow has the same problem and he just turns off the camera then back on. Then he is able to press the trash can to load the ML interface. This does not work for me.  BWT I have the AUG 6th build installed on a SD card with no CF in the camera.

Any ideas of what might be going on. Thanks AKf
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jake badlands on August 11, 2013, 04:52:48 PM
Sorry to bother you guys. I downloaded the latest Aug 6 version for the 5d mKiii. I install the package like all of the other times. I update the firmware in camera and get a Smiley Face (my mkIII is running 1.1.3 not 1.1.2). However when I press the trash can button, ML does not load.  I saw in a video tut, the fellow has the same problem and he just turns off the camera then back on. Then he is able to press the trash can to load the ML interface. This does not work for me.  BWT I have the AUG 6th build installed on a SD card with no CF in the camera.

Any ideas of what might be going on. Thanks AKf

ML for mk3 at this moment only work at 1.1.3 firmware. Try july 22nd ML. August builds is buggy (for me)  :(

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Levinson on August 14, 2013, 04:28:14 AM
smiley face indicatates that you haven't yet used "eos card" to boot enable the card you are running ML from. When you do, make sure only the bottom two check boxes are ticked and then click "save"
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Chalk on August 15, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
Just wondering how many people have tried out this latest Aug 6th Build and know if it's better? Heard Aug 2nd version was a bit ropey.  Also a lot of people saying July 22nd was working nice.  Anyone have a download link to that version handy?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: lourenco on August 15, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
My July 22nd build
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7QlH_BH2m32ZkF6VkFwRUhhNGs&usp=sharing
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 17, 2013, 02:22:29 AM
Just wondering how many people have tried out this latest Aug 6th Build and know if it's better? Heard Aug 2nd version was a bit ropey.  Also a lot of people saying July 22nd was working nice.  Anyone have a download link to that version handy?  Thanks!

I just started testing the August 6 version. Seems fine so far, as a matter of fact I'd say more than fine since I've been able to record at 1920X1288 rather effortlessly (with Global Draw On and RAW enabled on my stills setting).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Northernlight on August 17, 2013, 12:13:59 PM
I have been away from this topic for a few weeks now. In latest build for 5D3 (aug.6), audio recording is no longer present.

I have tried to search, but can not find anything directly regarding this.

Is audio gone (for now), or am I doing something wrong?

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 17, 2013, 07:59:52 PM
Yes, audio has been disabled until it can be figured out how to maintain sync. Until then, it's pretty useless so the developers sought to disable it for the time being.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Toffifee on August 18, 2013, 01:31:32 AM
Audio support will be included in g3gg0's new .MLV format  :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kukysimon on August 22, 2013, 07:48:59 AM
with the latest built of today, what and where could i find the changes or improvements or fixes infos of todays built of august 21 ?
sorry for asking, am new to this here... and i haven't found any place one can look up what was done in a newer version .. 

can anyone help?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 22, 2013, 08:20:51 AM
You have to read the Commits and keep up with various threads scattered around the ML boards to get a real sense of what's been changed on the latest version.

It can seem to be daunting, and quite honestly I just like to believe that with each new version they're making the code better and more efficient.

One of the new improvements with tonight's build should be the addition of DIGIC focus peaking which should be faster and more efficient for the CPU to handle (i.e. allow us to use it while recording without too many problems). I know that they've also been working on time code audio output, but I don't think it's been implemented yet.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Toni Dove on August 23, 2013, 10:05:03 PM
Current nightly 5d3 download does not include DCIM and MISC folders. Do these need to be there for ML to load or are they no longer necessary? Most instructions say the 3 folders - DCIM, MISC, ML plus auto exec and bootflag files.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 24, 2013, 01:04:21 AM
I think the DCIM and MISC folders are automatically created when you insert the card in your camera....so I'd say don't worry if they're not there.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 25, 2013, 07:46:39 AM
Hey guys so I have been using the ML 5d mark iii hack for a while and everything is working (minus a few bugs) but today during the conversion process of Raw to Cdng. One of the dng files had a blue digital line across it (for only one frame). I have also noticed vertical lines (most notably around the umbrella) my understanding is that its from a high iso setting however I wasnt shooting high (1600 maybe). I was recording at 1920 X 1080 with a Komputer Bay 64gb card with the 2.3 version May 18th build.

Now Im not an expert which is why i figured you guys would know:

Is having digital blue lines or vertical lines normal/is there a way to prevent this?
Should I exchange the camera? (its only roughly 15 days old)

Again thankyou so much for your time and any help would be greatly appreciated!  :)

here is the image: http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933922375.jpg (http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933922375.jpg)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: weoul on August 25, 2013, 10:12:11 AM

Is having digital blue lines or vertical lines normal/is there a way to prevent this?
Should I exchange the camera? (its only roughly 15 days old)


Komputerbay cards are not too reliable - just sent back 1 corrupted  card of  4 bought at Amazon. One frame is not a problem, I hope.
BTW how are you going to switch off the bootflag in camera before exchanging it?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: SteveTownsend on August 25, 2013, 10:34:44 AM
Hi Guys
 
Complete newbie here!

I think I have done everything OK but this si a question whether my KB cards are OK.  Both perform similar and cut out stopping recording at around 1 minute rec time.  The cards I have are 64GB and a 128GB.

Is this OK or are the cards duff?

Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 25, 2013, 10:46:55 AM
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Komputerbay cards are not too reliable - just sent back 1 corrupted  card of  4 bought at Amazon. One frame is not a problem, I hope.
BTW how are you going to switch off the bootflag in camera before exchanging it?

I was going to update the firmware back to the original settings on the 5d mark iii, take out the SD and CF card and exchange the camera. I originally had the cannon 6D and realized that it only could record a max of 50mbs so I returned it for the 5d mark iii and I was never contacted about the 6d yet, (*knock on wood) so it seems alright.

So its the card thats the problem? Has anyone else had this problem?

Quote
I think I have done everything OK but this si a question whether my KB cards are OK.  Both perform similar and cut out stopping recording at around 1 minute rec time.  The cards I have are 64GB and a 128GB.

Is this OK or are the cards duff?

Have you benchmarked them? [click the trashcan button and scroll over to the Debug menu and then scroll down click benchmark -- then Card R/W benchmark (5min)]

*Tip: Make sure your 5D Mark III's sleep mode is set above 5 min otherwise the camera will shut off during benchmarking

See how fast they can read or write and post the results. Komputerbay cards, it seems,  are all over the place you may get a good one you may get a bad one. I heard that the bigger KomputerBay CF cards (128gb) have trouble handling Raw footage from the 5D mark III at 1920 X 1080 because its max write speed is around 73 MB/s and read speed is around 122 MB/s.

Check out: http://www.eoshd.com/content/10433/which-compact-flash-cards-for-5d-mark-iii-raw-video (http://www.eoshd.com/content/10433/which-compact-flash-cards-for-5d-mark-iii-raw-video) for more info on CF cards
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: weoul on August 25, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
I was going to update the firmware back to the original settings on the 5d mark iii, take out the SD and CF card and exchange the camera.

This won't help. Solution is not invented yet. Read this:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6035
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: SteveTownsend on August 25, 2013, 11:13:55 AM
Hi

I have done the ML Benchmark CF+SD write benchmark, think it is the write that is the most important and I have test results of 83.4 and 77Mb for the 64Gb and 128Gb KB cards respectively.

Is that too slow?

You suggest the 5min benchmark test, I haven't done that one yet, just the CF+SD write benchmark with the results above.

Appreciate your help.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 25, 2013, 11:41:43 AM
Quote
This won't help. Solution is not invented yet. Read this:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6035

Thanks Weoul! From the link posted it seems like jkells figured it out so it sounds like its possible. Have you successfully removed ML before? And going back to the digital blue line/ Komputerbay CF cards. Have you ever experienced something similar to the blue lines or vertical lines? Also, heres a video that was filmed on the same day that I got that digital blue line:
https://vimeo.com/73065962 (https://vimeo.com/73065962)

Quote
I have done the ML Benchmark CF+SD write benchmark, think it is the write that is the most important and I have test results of 83.4 and 77Mb for the 64Gb and 128Gb KB cards respectively.

Is that too slow?

You suggest the 5min benchmark test, I haven't done that one yet, just the CF+SD write benchmark with the results above.

I would run a 5m benchmark. The results are gonna be saved as a BMP image on the CF card in the root directory. The benchmark results are what the best case scenario for a 1000x card for shooting raw at 1080p. You wanna look at the numbers that have high write speeds figures in megabytes generally write buffer = 16384k.  **Make sure that you are in movie mode because if your in photo mode and have the live view turned off your benchmark could be higher. Once done post a link to the results. Also, you could buy the cannon raw shooters guide by EOSHD which will help you get on track for RAW shooting which is how I learned. You can find that here: http://www.eoshd.com/eoshd-5d-mark-iii-raw-shooters-guide-pdf-book-download (http://www.eoshd.com/eoshd-5d-mark-iii-raw-shooters-guide-pdf-book-download)

This may also help with the CF card question SteveTownsend: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.0)
 Hope it helps! Cheers!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: SteveTownsend on August 25, 2013, 01:09:41 PM
Here are the 5 minute benchmark test results for the Komputer Bay cards

Quite a difference in the test results.

EDIT I have changed the 64Gb image and redone the benchmark test in movie mode, the results are now a bit closer!

Firstly the 128 Gb Card

(http://commercialpropertyphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/128gb.png)

and secondly the 64Gb Card

(http://commercialpropertyphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/64gb.png)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: yanone on August 25, 2013, 02:15:24 PM
One of the new improvements with tonight's build should be the addition of DIGIC focus peaking which should be faster and more efficient for the CPU to handle (i.e. allow us to use it while recording without too many problems).

Is the focus peaking in the August 21st build using the DIGIC method?
How do I know it when I see it? I couldn't find a setting, and the focus peaking doesn't feel fast. CPU usage is much higher with focus peaking enabled. However, it works, also throughout a recording.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Stedda on August 25, 2013, 03:23:23 PM
If you dont see a menu setting youre using an old build
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: yanone on August 25, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
If you dont see a menu setting your using an old build

Build says v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug22.5D3113, it's lourenco's latest Nightly.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, although I doubt it. Where do you see the setting?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tonybeccar on August 25, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
Hello! I don't know if I'm asking this in the correct thread, but I think anyone who shot raw can answer me this..

I'm about to shoot a project and I wanted to do it with the 5D3.. of course it's an expense as I don't have one and all hte hard drive space.. so I was wondering how much are the raw file sized on the 5D3? I know we're gonna shoot in 2.35:1 and in 50 frames per second. Does anyone know how much the frame, or the minute, or hour file size is?? Aprox. of course!! So I can know how many drives to buy!!!

Thanks!!! :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 25, 2013, 10:56:48 PM
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Here are the 5 minute benchmark test results for the Komputer Bay cards

Looks like your 64gb card is good [(make sure your doing the benchmark correctly as weoul stated)] also.. you might have trouble with the 128gb card. You need 83MB/s to film at 1080p at 24 frames

Quote
Build says v2.3.NEXT.2013Aug22.5D3113, it's lourenco's latest Nightly.

Is that a pretty stable build in your opinion? Would you happen to have a link to it? thankyou in advance!  :)

Quote
Does anyone know how much the frame, or the minute, or hour file size is?? Aprox. of course!! So I can know how many drives to buy!!!

have you shot with 5D raw? Test it first to see if it meets your needs because there are some bugs. How long is your shoot? What are you filming?

* on a 64gb CF card it can store 12 min and 30 seconds of 1080p at 24p -- If its a big project you either need to buy quite a few of the CF cards or buy 2 and do a footage dump on sight while filming with another. Note it takes about 25 min to take the data off of a full 64gb card
10 gb is 2 min
32 gb is 6 min 25 sec
64 gb is 12 min 30 sec
128 gb roughly 24min ** at 128gb some cards have trouble keeping up with the data write

In this music vid: https://vimeo.com/groups/192344/videos/72468916 (https://vimeo.com/groups/192344/videos/72468916) The artist said that it was 150GB of rushes.

So has anyone experienced the digital blue line during their filming? Any ideas on what could be causing it if its not the card? thanks again! It would really help. Cheers!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: weoul on August 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Here are the 5 minute benchmark test results for the Komputer Bay cards

Quite a difference in the test results.


Different modes - photo and video

Title: Re: Magic Lantern August 21st (938047c) 5DMiii
Post by: gdicus on August 26, 2013, 12:50:08 AM
I've been using one of the first RAW builds ever since it first came out. Not sure which version, but it has not worked flawlessly, but definitely it has worked and am pretty happy with it. So much so, I have not felt it necessary to update it and have been doing lots of work with it.

Now, however, I wish to start playing with later versions to see what you have done since then.  Having installed the 21st nightly build, though, it fails to work.  It gives me skipped files after only a few frames at a rate of about 7MB/s.  I have tried disabling all the module loads except the raw_rec and defaulting to a minimal functionality with no success. And yes, I formatted the CF cards (both hoodman and komputerbay x1000).

So, I pop my previous install back into the SD slot (Each install is on different SD cards) and I'm back up and running without a hitch.

Anybody have a clue as to what to look at here.

thanks.

glenn
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 26, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
Hey guys so i did more testing and the digital line happened again

here is the photo the first time it happened: (http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933934573.jpg)
 
and here is the second time: (http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933934574.jpg)

Does anyone know what is causing this? It only recently started happening. and has anyone experienced a lower frames per second when in photo mode? IE: instead of the manufactured 6 fps its lower? 

also heres an article on if ML voids the cannon warranty: http://www.diyphotography.net/dear-canonnikonpanasonic-can-i-use-custom-firmware-my-camera  (http://www.diyphotography.net/dear-canonnikonpanasonic-can-i-use-custom-firmware-my-camera)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 26, 2013, 03:48:46 AM
I was recording at 1920 X 1080 with a Komputer Bay 64gb card with the 2.3 version May 18th build.

May 18th build? That's two months old. Shouldn't you be using something more recent, like August 6th perhaps (if not the current August 21st one)?

Lots of bugs have been fixed and some optimization has been implemented since May.
Title: Re: Magic Lantern August 21st (938047c) 5DMiii
Post by: gdicus on August 26, 2013, 04:53:53 AM
I've been using one of the first RAW builds ever since it first came out. Not sure which version, but it has not worked flawlessly, but definitely it has worked and am pretty happy with it. So much so, I have not felt it necessary to update it and have been doing lots of work with it.

Now, however, I wish to start playing with later versions to see what you have done since then.  Having installed the 21st nightly build, though, it fails to work.  It gives me skipped files after only a few frames at a rate of about 7MB/s.  I have tried disabling all the module loads except the raw_rec and defaulting to a minimal functionality with no success. And yes, I formatted the CF cards (both hoodman and komputerbay x1000).

So, I pop my previous install back into the SD slot (Each install is on different SD cards) and I'm back up and running without a hitch.

Anybody have a clue as to what to look at here.


OK, I figured it out, but have a question.  I put the camera photo mode to 'L' and not 'RAW' and it is now working.

What is ML doing now that requires this change?  The programmer in me really 'needs' to know. ; )

thanks,

glenn
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 26, 2013, 05:01:14 AM
ML is not doing anything. Canon firmware is obviously freeing up some buffer RAM when raw still photos are disabled.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 26, 2013, 05:32:10 AM
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May 18th build? That's two months old. Shouldn't you be using something more recent, like August 6th perhaps (if not the current August 21st one)?

Yes its an old build so forgive me for the noob question Im about to ask: Where can I get the  August 6th build and how would I install it since i already have magic lantern on the camera and cant remove it. Thankyou for your help its seriously appreciated!  :) I was freaking out that its the camera but it seems like its the card or the build.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tonybeccar on August 26, 2013, 06:11:55 AM
have you shot with 5D raw? Test it first to see if it meets your needs because there are some bugs. How long is your shoot? What are you filming?

Thanks for your answer!! I'm assuming the file sizes are pretty much the same for 720p 60fps right?? I mean it'll be the same data rate..

I mean.. I am often watching videos on the 5D and reading through the forums.. there are LOTS of videos that do not show any bugs.. and recently they made a commercial.. so there are people shooting stable. And no, never shot yet, I own a 7D and it's still in progress. I mean I just gotta find a stable build right? What's that about the blue line?? Is there a thread about bugs??

Thanks again!! Very kind of you!! :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: SteveTownsend on August 26, 2013, 07:51:04 AM
@weoul

Thank you for spotting the elementary error.  I have redone the benchmark test and edited the image in the previous post.

Has anyone go the same 5 min benchmark test of a Lexar card, to know what I might expect?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gdicus on August 26, 2013, 08:37:21 AM
ML is not doing anything. Canon firmware is obviously freeing up some buffer RAM when raw still photos are disabled.

Obviously? LOL!

Doesn't explain the 7MB/s.

Actually, I think it may have been a card switching oversight on my part... Each time the SD card is switched out, the default card was toggling between the two cards. I've ML to default to CF and all is well. Nice feature!!!

You guys are the bomb!!!!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 26, 2013, 09:28:15 AM
Yes its an old build so forgive me for the noob question Im about to ask: Where can I get the  August 6th build and how would I install it since i already have magic lantern on the camera and cant remove it.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6362.0

Just replace the files on the card.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sthirasukha on August 26, 2013, 12:05:30 PM
Can someone explain me the logic of the Raw file value while recording?
Example: M20-1250.raw (first shot) and the shot after can be M20-1263.raw and not M20-1251.raw as expected. Did I miss something? I have to use MovieSlate and this could be helpful to understand the way it works to organize my shooting. Many thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 26, 2013, 11:46:09 PM
Does anyone have the August 6th build  or a link on where to get it. The august 21st build has a bug when your in the magic lantern live view its gray and shows a bunch of pixels. cheers.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on August 26, 2013, 11:58:13 PM
Does anyone have the August 6th build  or a link on where to get it. The august 21st build has a bug when your in the magic lantern live view its gray and shows a bunch of pixels. cheers.

Here,s alink to the 6th august build
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4tCJMlOYfirQ1J1N1Zaa3piT3M/edit?usp=sharing
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Didn,t used it myself though, It,s for the 5d mark 3, I take no responsibility
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 27, 2013, 05:42:49 AM
Hey guys so I updated the firmware to the august 21st build (THANKYOU Midphase!) and everything is working pretty good however after some more test shots I got the digital line as well as a super weird frame. I was hoping since this frame is different from the previous ones that maybe you would be able to know whats causing this problem and how to fix it. I have noticed that all of the digital lines are near the bottom of the camera and I was wondering if that has anything to do with how data is written to the card? Again thankyou so much for all your help! :)

here is the first frame that malfunctioned after the update today:
(http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933966553.jpg)

and here is the weird frame:
(http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933966554.jpg)

any help would be appreciated. Is this the wrong place to post these two images on the forum? Should I start a new thread? Thankyou again!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 27, 2013, 08:16:53 AM
What resolution and frame rate are you shooting at?

Do you have Global Draw enabled? What about FPS Override?

Are you getting reasonably fast write speeds on your card?

Do the errors appear when you convert or import in specific apps? Have you tried different conversion/playback methods?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 27, 2013, 09:18:42 PM
Quote
What resolution and frame rate are you shooting at?

Do you have Global Draw enabled? What about FPS Override?

Are you getting reasonably fast write speeds on your card?

Do the errors appear when you convert or import in specific apps? Have you tried different conversion/playback methods?

1920 X 1080 @ 24p

I seem to only get the white bands near the beginning of recording IE: 4-6 frames in. The weird frame was 199 frames into the clip.

I was zoomed in 5x or 10x i cant remember when i was shooting one shot and thats where the weird frame came in (I believe). I will test more with 5x zoom to try and replicate the problem again to make sure that is what i was doing. If i get another problem when Im shooting 5x doesn't that mean that the cards not corrupt cause its a consistent problem that is able to be replicated? I mean if the card is corrupt then it would mess up at random times not when I am able to set it and get the same weird frame result sometime, right?

I believe I have a fast enough card (komputerbay 65gb 1000x) Below is a benchmark test-- [it is the aug 22nd build not the 21st sorry!], I ordered another another one to compare and see if possibly the cards corrupt. Now just waiting for it to arrive. [Dont kill me but I cant afford a hoodman steel (._. ) ]

Here is the 5min benchmark test from the first card that may be giving me problems (below)

I convert the raw files with raw2cdng and then open them in Davinci Reslove, I also tried last night with raw2dng and I had the same result with the same frame. So it has to be when its written to the card, right?

(http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933978430.jpg)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kukysimon on August 28, 2013, 01:23:13 AM
i got a few crash logs, where do i send them?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 28, 2013, 01:23:31 AM
Ok, couple of things:

First of all, your write speeds are ok, but not great, and that could be part of the problem. Hopefully all of these write speed issues will start going away as soon as those new 1200X cards come to market.

Secondly, it sounds like you're shooting in crop mode, I haven't had particularly good results in crop mode. If you're shooting at standard 1920X1080 resolution, you probably shouldn't shoot in crop.

IMHO crop mode isn't particularly stable and I have gotten weird frames myself. I don't use crop mode unless I'm doing very short and very specific shots where I really need that extra magnification.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 28, 2013, 07:50:56 AM
Quote
Ok, couple of things:

First of all, your write speeds are ok, but not great, and that could be part of the problem. Hopefully all of these write speed issues will start going away as soon as those new 1200X cards come to market.

Secondly, it sounds like you're shooting in crop mode, I haven't had particularly good results in crop mode. If you're shooting at standard 1920X1080 resolution, you probably shouldn't shoot in crop.

IMHO crop mode isn't particularly stable and I have gotten weird frames myself. I don't use crop mode unless I'm doing very short and very specific shots where I really need that extra magnification.

Thankyou Midphase and everyone involved! you guys are the bomb! It seems that the problem was the card. I have been testing the new Komputerbay 64gb card today and havent been able to produce the same problem yet so everything looks good (*knock on the biggest piece of wood available) I will continue testing tomorrow and will report if there are any problems. On a side note how can you tell if its a good card in terms of speed. I was under the impression that any card that writes over 83mb/s is going to be able to film 1920X1080 is that true? Also, iv been looking at the 1200x cards and JESUS they are expensive!

One thing that I have recently noticed is that every time i turn the camera back on I have to manually change from the SD card to the CF card. Has anyone else had this issue?

Here is the newest 5min benchmark with the new card, Is this a good/fast card?

** one that I have noticed is that at the top of the benchmark test is says "CF SMI Corporation SILICONMOTION SM2236AC" and my previous card (the corrupted one)
only had "CF CF CARD". Why is that? Does that make a difference? Could one be a counterfeit card that Iv been hearing so much about? And again thankyou so much you guys are the best!  :)

  (http://www.newglare.com/s/cc_images/cache_933992731.jpg)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gdicus on August 28, 2013, 11:08:50 AM
One thing that I have recently noticed is that every time i turn the camera back on I have to manually change from the SD card to the CF card. Has anyone else had this issue?



Yes, I had the same problem.  There is a menu option to have ML default to the CF card on boot up. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 28, 2013, 01:27:46 PM
Thanks gdicus! Would anyone also happen to know if you can record RAW and HDR at the same time or would that blow up the sensor?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 29, 2013, 03:14:24 AM
I don't think it's possible to record "regular" raw and "dual ISO" raw simultaneously, nor is it possible to record raw and h.264 at the same time.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kukysimon on August 29, 2013, 03:21:47 AM
i once saw in a video that the 264 ini settings can be altered and 264 compression could be changed , bitrate etc etc,..., does anyone know in which version this was the case?
and if i were to use an older version if it would work after i played around with a version of this month for example. i assume it would, but would like to see if anyone had a bad experience going to an older version.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 29, 2013, 09:39:54 AM
The most recent version should allow you to increase the bit rate of the h.264 codec...however from what I read, don't expect noticeable increase in quality. Maybe some very very slight block reduction in the shadows, but that's about it. Sharpness and detail will not increase.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Mati on August 29, 2013, 03:04:32 PM

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gybra on August 30, 2013, 09:47:41 AM
So I have done more testing with the new and the old card and they both are creating frames with white discolored data on them. I doubt that it is the cards that are bad now because while it is possible that both cards are defective its more likely the camera or when they are being converted (but doubtful because Iv tried 2 different converting programs previously and have had the same problem on the same frames with both). Has the white bands or discolored frames happened to anyone else, is this common and could magic lantern be frying the sensor? I read that all the code does is copy the raw data before its compressed to H.264 and put it onto the CF card so that wouldn't make sense that it is..Sorry for all the questions I just want to contribute and make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else. Cheers!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gdicus on August 30, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Try recording H.264 without ML and see if there are any artifacts first. If you don't find any, then load ML again and capture more H.264 footage and see if it returns then.

If not, then you know it is in the raw capture and workflow, not your sensor.

I would also reset all your ML settings to default and try running it that way.

It's always best to assume user operator error first, stick to that assumption for as long as humanly possible, before trying to place blame on the hardware or software when others are reporting working installations.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Majorbludd on August 30, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
I've been lurking here for a long time and usually my questions are already answered on the forums but I can't seem to figure out what's going on with my raw recording. I have a 64GB 1000x card and when I record 24fps 1920x1080 I can record for about a min but then the camera shuts off. The file appears to be intact but I'm wondering if that is normal behavior. I have recorded to a slower card and the recording simply stop if the buffer would max out. Has anyone else experienced the camera just shutting off while recording raw video?
 
Derp. I just realized that my camera was set to auto off after one min. Changed that and now I get continuous raw recording 1080p. Woot!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gdicus on August 31, 2013, 05:23:15 AM
What version do you have?

I know the older builds were programmatically limited to about a 4GB limit, which was about 1100 frames, give or take some frames.

Try the latest Aug 21st build, it has continuous run enabled.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 31, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
He had auto-shutoff enabled. Noob mistake....been there done that myself!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bigbird_rob on August 31, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Hi there,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I have installed the latest Magic Lantern software for the 5d mk3 (21st August) but am noticing artifacts in frames intermittently.

Has anyone had any similar problems, or know of a way to fix this?

I have tried installing the older firmware, changing from 25p to 24p, but have found the same issue regardless.
I am using a 64gig 1000x Komputer Bay card which seems to maintain a speed of about 91mb/sec when recording.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90530074@N03/9635692669/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90530074@N03/9638932734/

Any help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 31, 2013, 07:48:15 PM
I feel like I'm a broken record here, but it helps to have more info than that...such as what resolution are you shooting on, crop mode or not, what frame rate, how do you process the shots, etc.

I can tell you that I just shot 2 full cards worth of 1920X1080 footage just the other day for my latest short film, I used the August 21 revision, had Global Draw on with focus peaking and raw histograms, was shooting at some point as high as 10000 ISO, and all of my footage looks perfect (even the shot where the 1st card run out of space).

I'm not sure what to tell you, except that I don't think there's anything wrong with the August 21st revision, so it's likely the result of some other factors at work.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bigbird_rob on August 31, 2013, 08:38:25 PM
Thanks for the reply and apologies to everyone for posting twice initially. I'm new to this.

I'm shooting 1920x1080, had global draw on in focus peaking and no crop mode. I've been shooting in 24p and my iso's at 800.

I'm using the raw2dng program to convert the raw to DNG. I can see the artefacts in the dngs.

Any other ideas anyone? Or better programs to use to convert the RAW?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bigbird_rob on September 01, 2013, 12:40:06 AM
FIXED.

So I tried formatting my cards, using a different card reader, using different converting software (RawMagic), trying it on different computers (Mac and PC) but had no positive results. It was clearly something in camera that was causing the issue as the same frames had artefacts, no matter how I imported/converted it.

We shoot aerial footage predominantly, so our shutter speed is usually at least 100 to stabilise better if needed, but what I found was that the faster shutter speed was the cause of the artefact, because when I changed it to 50 I no longer had the issue at all. I tried many different shots without fail. I then changed the shutter back to 100 and the issue returned.

So basically, it was a shutter speed issue.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Charles on September 01, 2013, 01:39:32 AM
Interesting; I shoot lots of aerial, although I'm just learning RAW and have not shot any aerial with it yet, but am running higher shutter speeds with RAW in anticipation of stabilization, usually around 1/200.  I do see some black frames and streaked frames when I use ACR and export to video with After Effects.  If I just use the same RAW footage and export JPEGs from ACR, and use the JPEGs in the editor or Virtualdub all the frames are clean.  So I attribute the artifacts to the After Effects export, and have modified my workflow.  This is with a Lexar 64 GB card and raw2dng.

If you anticipate stabilization a nice workflow is to go to JPEG with ACR, bring the JPEGs directly into Virtualdub, and run Deshaker with AVI out.  This is a pretty quick process; I'll probably fly tomorrow to give it a try.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on September 01, 2013, 09:40:42 AM
This is probably something that should be flagged to the developers if a shutter speed higher than 50 yields corrupt frames.

It's unusual for people to shoot at higher shutter speeds, but it does happen.

I wonder if maybe using the Force Frame Rate function would help with that? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bigbird_rob on September 01, 2013, 12:39:09 PM
UNRESOLVED:

Continued with tests today having done 5 tests with my shutter at 50 successfully then trying at 100 and it then going back to the same issue. I though the problem was solved, but:
This morning I shot a range of shots at different apertures but keeping the shutter speed of 50, much to my confusion, the same issue is back intermittently. I am now sure it is an in camera issue, but clearly it actually isn't reliant on the shutter speed, as the artefact plays back in the magic lantern software on the camera and I can see the artefacts in that.

Very confused. Perhaps it's a card issue? I'm using a Komputerbay 64gig 1000x card but it seems to be giving consistent speeds of around 88-91mb/sec and not dropping frames. Other than that it could only be something in the software? But no one seems to have had similar issues with the 21 Aug firmware?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gdicus on September 01, 2013, 10:51:46 PM
Can you post a frame grab?

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bigbird_rob on September 01, 2013, 11:23:19 PM
Sure,

Here is one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90530074@N03/9650009648/

It is a line of colourful artefacts that flash for a frame in the bottom or top third of the screen intermittently.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 01, 2013, 11:30:41 PM
I feel like I'm a broken record here, but it helps to have more info than that...such as what resolution are you shooting on, crop mode or not, what frame rate, how do you process the shots, etc.

Agree 100%  It is very difficult to help if you do not provide more information about the settings that you are using to record the video.

Additionally make sure you do this:

You should check that in Canon Menu:
Image Quality = Raw
Auto Lighting Optimizer = OFF
Long exp. noise reduction = OFF
High ISO spee NR = OFF
Higthlight tone priority = OFF
Multiple Exposure = Disable
HDR Mode = Disagle HDR

Also you are recommended to use FPS override, it use to eliminate some problems with frames:

23.  Move to the Movie tab and select FPS override with the scroll wheel.  (see note below)
24. Press the Q button
25. Change the Desired FPS to 23.97 using the small (top) scroll wheel.
26. Move to the Optimize for with the large scroll wheel.
27. Change to Exact FPS with the small scroll wheel.
28. Press the Q button and then press the Set button (on the center of the large scroll wheel) to enable FPS override
29. Now FPS should read 23.97

And Finally you should upload the original DNG for a more advanced DEV to look at.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: xRun on September 02, 2013, 04:46:10 PM
For very long exposure, recording at 1fps or so and averaging the frames in post should do the trick.

With this, you will also get better dynamic range (for example, when averaging 16 pics, the standard deviation of the noise should be 4 times lower, so you effectively get 2 stops of extra DR if I'm not overlooking something).

Just got back, been away for a couple of weeks. Just making sure I understand, you're saying this method would be about equal to long exposures? Say 1sec exposures 30 times over adds up to one 30sec exposure, useful for capturing a starry night sky, and with added DR? That would be a godsend if it works equally well.
I just can't run a proper test for a few days because of cloud cover in my area. Has anyone else done any testing on this?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on September 02, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
I film 1/100 all the time because i am doing sport movies.
no problems or corrupted frames at all
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bigbird_rob on September 02, 2013, 09:23:12 PM
SO, I spent yesterday testing different shots with different camera settings but kept on getting the same artefacts appearing intermittently, until finally my Komputer Bay 64gig 1000x card just stopped working altogether.
(it now says it's not readable on the camera and even my computer won't let me format it, saying there's an error with the disk.)

On a bit of a time restraint, I went and got a new CF card this morning - a Lexar 32gig 1000x - and have done over 15 tests today and the artefact has not appeared. Success.

That being said, I also changed my Canon menu settings to RAW only (as opposed to RAW and Jpg) and turned the long exposure noise reduction off, as well as turning the FPS Override on according to Renatophoto's specifications.

All the rest of my settings within ML are standard -  I have not played around with any advanced settings. All of my Canon settings were according to Renatophoto's suggestions (plus I was on 24p) and camera controls varied (including shutter speed) without any further issues.

I'm not sure if it was the camera and ML settings that made it right or the Lexar CF card. My guess is that it was a CF card issue, seems my Komputer Bay one actually stopped working altogether. Still strange that the record speeds seemed right and it never dropped frames, but anyways - the issue seems to be solved.

I can mail the DNG of a frame I had an issue with prior to the Komputer Bay card stopping working, if an advanced DEV wants to have a look at it.

Thanks for everyone's help.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on September 02, 2013, 11:18:37 PM
Additionally make sure you do this:

You should check that in Canon Menu:
Image Quality = Raw

I'm confused, I thought it is best if the camera still image quality is set to jpeg and not raw....has something changed?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 02, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
I'm confused, I thought it is best if the camera still image quality is set to jpeg and not raw....has something changed?

For 5DMIII (3) use RAW in Canon menu
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Vegeta on September 03, 2013, 04:52:41 AM
Id like to report a bug/glitch or w.e it is with the latest Build for Raw.

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x
Global Draw off (everything is off) - the recording works perfectly fine actually. No issue there

The problem is when Im shooting raw, and want to "zoom in" to fine tune the area within the box, the camera/rom freezes. Turning the camera off does not help since the picture stays on. Only thing that works is pulling out the battery.

Hope this helps. :)
Title: 47GB limit
Post by: vstrglv on September 05, 2013, 06:59:25 AM
I use Toshiba 1066x 64GB cards. When raw file size reaches 47GB drop frame takes place and recording stops (Frame skipping -off). Is it normal?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: gdicus on September 07, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
Warning about KomputerBay!

I had one of two cards fail.  They did not honor their warranty.

Just an FYI!

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: SteveTownsend on September 07, 2013, 09:55:31 AM
Warning about KomputerBay!

I had one of two cards fail.  They did not honor their warranty.

Just an FYI!

That's interesting I have just bought two but thinking about buying more.

I did send a 128 1000x back originally because it didn't work with my 5D3 which I got a refund back from Amazon and then I bought another but this time a 128 1050x which does work.

I am interested in how the card failed.  The warranty or lack of it is important but the loss of images could be much more critical in some circumstances.  Could you tell a little more?  How long were you using it successfully before it failed?  And any other information.

I am not using the ML raw on any paying job at the moment. But I don't want to make a huge investment in KB cards if they are unreliable.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on September 07, 2013, 08:53:03 PM
I am not using the ML raw on any paying job at the moment. But I don't want to make a huge investment in KB cards if they are unreliable.

Sigh....Komputerbay cards are not unreliable, but just like everything else you do get what you pay for. A Hoodman Steel card goes for about 3 times the cost of a Komputerbay card, my guess is that HS cards use 1st pick memory chips while Komputerbay gets the leftovers. They both offer limited lifetime warranties and if your card fails (or if you have issues with the write speed) within 30 days of purchase, Amazon will take care of exchanging it.

There are tons of people around here (myself included) who use Komputerbay cards on a regular basis with no problems whatsoever. Just like most flash-based memory (including SSD drives), they have a finite lifetime and will fail at some point in the future.

The question really comes down to how much money you can spend on cards?

For my needs and budget I'd rather own 3 KB cards than 1 HS card knowing that at least with the KB if one fails I still have the other two.

Komputerbay has benefitted a great deal from Magic Lantern raw, they have become the closest thing to an "official card of ML raw" as anyone can claim, and there are many positive reports of them bending over backwards to resolve customer issues. I would want to be more informed before jumping to conclusions based on a single post devoid of any details.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: yanone on September 11, 2013, 08:31:51 PM
Id like to report a bug/glitch or w.e it is with the latest Build for Raw.

...

The problem is when Im shooting raw, and want to "zoom in" to fine tune the area within the box, the camera/rom freezes. Turning the camera off does not help since the picture stays on. Only thing that works is pulling out the battery.

This happens to me only when recording. When idle the magnification works.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kh3naz on September 12, 2013, 07:01:06 AM
is there a way to delete the RAW files from within the camera or at least cancel/delete the current recording ? This would be really useful
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 12, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
is there a way to delete the RAW files from within the camera or at least cancel/delete the current recording ? This would be really useful
Load up file_man module (File Manager).  This is a very handy module to preview, delete, copy, and move files. 
Once it is loaded you can find it in the Debug Menu
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kh3naz on September 12, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
Load up file_man module (File Manager).  This is a very handy module to preview, delete, copy, and move files. 
Once it is loaded you can find it in the Debug Menu

Amazing , thanks !

will give this a try
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kgv5 on September 12, 2013, 10:57:50 PM
guys
i am looking for a 5d3 version with mlv recording and file spanning. I have deleted this from my card some time ago and now cannot find it again. There was a version with 2,5K continous shooting (CF+SD) at 2,39:1, i dont remember what date was it.It seems that nightly builds doesnt have spanning, what happened with this feature? thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 12:15:45 AM
guys
i am looking for a 5d3 version with mlv recording and file spanning. I have deleted this from my card some time ago and now cannot find it again. There was a version with 2,5K continous shooting (CF+SD) at 2,39:1, i dont remember what date was it.It seems that nightly builds doesnt have spanning, what happened with this feature? thanks
This is developed by g3g00 follow this thread:
Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kgv5 on September 13, 2013, 12:29:49 AM
This is developed by g3g00 follow this thread:
Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0

Thank you very much RenatoPhoto, there are so many different threads about ML builds that it is sometimes hard to figure out whats what (search button doesnt help much). Thanks again.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 13, 2013, 12:37:42 AM
(search button doesnt help much). Thanks again.

I noticed tis issue about search button..  since the new web updated the search function is not as good as it use to be.  Best way to search for the old stuff is now to use google and restrict the google search to the forum like this:
"whatever you want to search" site: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jake badlands on September 15, 2013, 08:30:17 PM
Hello everyone! I finished my first work in RAW.
What is not pleased to me: aliasing in 50/60fps
In low light scenes i uses neat video (shooted after 9:30 PM)
What do you think guys?

Many thanks to the creators of Magic Lantern! It's really magic!!! 8)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on September 17, 2013, 12:32:37 AM
After accidentally deleting a important clip yesterday, i have a little suggestion.
When i go to the filemanager, view a video and go back to record, and after this back again to check in the filemanager, it is always on the last file. so to delete the newer file, i have to go back via "q" and select the right file.
would it be possible to start in the main directory or to choose where to start after re-opening the file manager?
i am on set now for about 2 months, shooting action sports.
due to the size of the clips i have to delete every clip of failed tricks. so this would help on field a lot, and prevent deleting footage by accident.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Jakartaguy on September 17, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
First of all THANKS MAGIC LANTERN!! I have been playing around with this hack for about a week now and it's been fun even though I have no idea what I am doing. (I really do fit into the "people who are using it but have no use for it whatsoever) .. still I like to experiment and am both contributing and asking with this post.

Contributing: For those who are still on the fence about the komputerbay card - I would say if you can afford it, get the more expensive card. Over the last week I have found the card not reliable. I even recorded 10 minutes of my budgie bathing and the whole file was ruined.
I also recorded my daughter playing tennis and found terrible artifacts in 1/200 frames.

My question (and this will show you how terrible I am) but ... if I am shooting in RAW 1920 x 1080 and I choose 1920 as my resolution, is that the same as me shooting straight 1920 from the camera? Or is there a difference in the results?
Also, if I choose 2560 for my resolution, is that the 2.5K that I am reading about?

Thanks all,

Jakartaguy in Jakarta, Indonesia
Using 5D3
on 128GB Komputerbay card 1000x
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kukysimon on September 17, 2013, 06:30:06 PM
corrupt frames occured (not dropped ones) when shooting Raw Video with august 21 version. am inside green parameters with a lexar 1000x card and writing speeds and frame size, and it shouldnt do this.

where would i show these corrupt frames or where would i be able to show any info ?

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on September 17, 2013, 06:53:38 PM
FYI the Komputerbay 128gig 1000X has been notoriously bad for ML.

Buy yourself a couple of 64gig 1000X instead, you'll be a lot happier. I've been using mine for months without problems, shooting as high as 1920X1288 without any issues or artifacts.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: NateVolk on September 18, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
I've been using the 128gb 1050x cards with no issues whatsoever on production shoots for a few months
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jas.brooks on September 19, 2013, 01:54:56 PM
Here are the results of the 1min and 5min card read/write tests carried out on a new KB 64GB CF card. Any thoughts on these numbers (120mb/s sounds fast - but I'm really not sure how to interpret these numbers).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075193/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075193/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075523/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075523/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9816989784/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9816989784/)

Any comments much appreciated.

Cheers,

jason
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: crazyrunner33 on September 19, 2013, 02:52:10 PM
Here are the results of the 1min and 5min card read/write tests carried out on a new KB 64GB CF card. Any thoughts on these numbers (120mb/s sounds fast - but I'm really not sure how to interpret these numbers).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075193/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075193/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075523/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9817075523/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9816989784/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonbrooks/9816989784/)

Any comments much appreciated.

Cheers,

jason

You're in playback mode, try running the benchmark in the record mode.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: LucaBrasi on September 19, 2013, 03:53:21 PM
Having issues with 2013-09-19 version for 5D mark III. Sometimes camera locks up and getting unresponsive. Even when turning of camera the live view stays on. Solution is to pull the battery. How can I check log to properly report problem?

LB
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tgrimshaw on September 26, 2013, 05:40:34 AM
Hello,

Has anyone had any luck with the newest nightly builds released on September 25th for shooting in 30fps?  I updated to the newer build because I had the same issue with a build released on August 21st and still was only able to record up to 24fps.  I have tried playing around with settings and looking through the forums and still haven't found a solution.  I have two KomputerBay cards 1000x and have tried on both and still get the same result at 24fps.  Every time I try to shoot 30fps I get "recording stopped automatically" or "bug please report it" and "1 skipped frames."  Maybe I'm missing a very simple setting or something and apologies for posting if it is.  Appreciate the help and any guidance that could help me figure this out.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 26, 2013, 01:23:51 PM
Have you tried deleting all of ML in the card and then copying ALL ML from the zip file?  There has been many changes lately.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tgrimshaw on September 27, 2013, 08:52:08 AM
Thanks for the reply. I completely formatted the card and started from scratch and downloaded the newest nightly build and copied over the ML folder and then prepared the card and everything runs great but just can't record in 30fps without it automatically stopping.  I occasionally get a message saying bug please report it and other times it will just say recording stopped automatically.  I had the same issue with an older build from August and thought it just might have been an issue with that build.  But I was looking through forums and not finding people mentioning problems recording in 30fps.  Not sure what it could be.  I am using a SanDisk Extreme Pro 16 GB Class 10 95Mb/s card for ML.  And made sure that the Raw video is recording on the Komputer Bay card so not sure what to do, so thought I would see if anyone would have any suggestions or possible solutions.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 27, 2013, 01:59:22 PM
If you are recording at 1920x1080 30 fps then you have reached the maximum recording speed for current cards.  The required writing speed for this frame size and speed is 103.5 MB/s so it is very likely that recording will stop automatically after a little while.  Read the manuals here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=49.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tgrimshaw on September 27, 2013, 04:19:16 PM
Thanks for the reply.  The problem is I am unable to record at 30fps.  The max that I get is 24fps.  I run ML on the SD card and use a Compact Flash Komputer Bay 1000x 150MB/s card to record the RAW video and still come up short and get errors when trying to record at 30fps, but works perfectly fine at 24fps.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 27, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
Reboot the camera
Press trash button
move to Debug (menu on the right)
Select Benchmark
Select "Card R/W benchmark (5min)
When finished there should be a screen shot in your card that you can post
Otherwise you can see how fast the camera can read and write to your card
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: charlie doom on September 27, 2013, 11:13:30 PM
Hello everyone! I finished my first work in RAW.
What is not pleased to me: aliasing in 50/60fps
In low light scenes i uses neat video (shooted after 9:30 PM)
What do you think guys?

Many thanks to the creators of Magic Lantern! It's really magic!!! 8)

Nice video! Here is a link that might help you reduce the magenta/green fringes: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6845.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on September 28, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
Hi, just a understanding question...
There s the ML builts page, how do the builts there differ from lourencos over here?
Or are lourencos integrated in the "official" page, because there haven t been any updates lately in this topic.

Sorry if this is already clear...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 28, 2013, 02:18:41 PM
There s the ML builts page, how do the builts there differ from lourencos over here?

The nightly build has replaced lourencos and others.  This is a bit confusing right now since we have a few developers which have done specific work on a camera which has not been incorporated into the main (unified) build. 
When such work is done the idea is that the developer will do a Pull Request into the main binaries to incorporate his updates, in some cases these updates cannot be incorporated due to code issues which need to be fixed when time and effort allows.
So for now the nightly builds contain most of the builds (updated daily) but other developers have camera specific builds with features which are not found in the main build.   :(

Specifically the 5D3 (this thread is about 5D3) is supported by Alex.  The only feature the nightly build is missing, is Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0, which among other things, has spanned recording, which allows you to record to both SD and CF cards for increased speed.  This development is done by g3g00 here:
Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on September 28, 2013, 02:27:17 PM
Allright, now it s clear! thank you
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on September 28, 2013, 06:51:14 PM
The nightly build has replaced lourencos and others.

Great to know...but how about updating the Sticky to reflect this information with perhaps a link to the new nightly builds? I've been under the impression that there have been no newer builds since over a month ago, so this comes as quite a surprise.

Please Renato, consider updating the Sticky thread since this is where 99% of us get information on what the most current nightly build is.

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 28, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
Please Renato, consider updating the Sticky thread since this is where 99% of us get information on what the most current nightly build is.
DONE!
here:http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.msg34953#msg34953
here:http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6366.msg49477#msg49477
here:http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6362.msg49471#msg49471
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on October 04, 2013, 10:56:09 AM
Renato, Alex:  I will start a long movie with 5 Mark III for three month. I´m going to record in RAW - not DUAL ISO.
Can you tell me the most stable build at the moment with wav record to past external audio?

I have August 23 but doesn´t work with wav.

DUAl ISO is not stable yet for me. I think RAW it´s fine: lot´s of scene are at night without very different exposition.

Yes, I feel Lucky!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 04, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
I have August 23 but doesn´t work with wav.

Last I used a build with wav was towards the end of June.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: thedcmule2 on October 05, 2013, 02:59:20 PM
Why do some other forums claim that 5d3 ml raw can record 1080p 60fps? Also can it do 2.5k continuous? Audio recording?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on October 05, 2013, 03:17:44 PM
Why do some other forums claim that 5d3 ml raw can record 1080p 60fps?

According to a guy from other forums,

Quote
an EOS 600D can do 4K
[...]
I said the 600D can do 4K, which it actually can with magic lantern

source: http://nikonhacker.com/viewtopic.php?t=939

If you want to know why some other guys said whatever they said, ask them, not us.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: NateVolk on October 05, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
So, I spent some time searching, but I can't find an answer.  I was recording RAW video on 5D3 yesterday from the latest nightly builds, and had some bugs reported on the screen.  How do I report those, and where do I find the relevant files to include in the reports?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: painya on October 05, 2013, 08:06:41 PM
There is a forum for reporting bugs.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: NateVolk on October 06, 2013, 06:51:42 AM
There is a forum for reporting bugs.

Very helpful indeed. Would you mind answering my questions, or have you never reported a bug yourself and you're just here to reap the benefits and not contribute by helping out?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: painya on October 06, 2013, 07:04:36 AM
Very helpful indeed. Would you mind answering my questions, or have you never reported a bug yourself and you're just here to reap the benefits and not contribute by helping out?
I was sincerely trying to help you by pointing to a forum where you would receive the most accurate and timely help.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 06, 2013, 12:55:00 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=50.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hjfilmspeed on October 07, 2013, 03:14:56 AM
Gaaaaah i know im not supposed to do this but I LOVE ML!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR THE NEW CAMERA!!! Sep 20th and Oct and Oct 6th are running very nicely!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: teakwood18 on October 08, 2013, 10:18:47 PM
 I cant get the Raw_Rec to load.  Am i missing something. Its loaded before, Before my original card(KBay) crashed.  When i tried today arkanoid came up figured out where the module for raw was but it never gave me the raw video any suggestions for what im missing this time around
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mariosk9gr on October 09, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
Hi guys,
Im searching last 2 days the forum to find in which file format i have to set my 5d3 to record raw video.
I tried yesterday the 7th October build and I figured out that if I set my camera to "RAW" shooting" I get more frames than "S3".
I figured out also if I set dual recording eg RAW+Jpeg I get as result less frames. Can someone help me about the settings I have to put into my camera to get the best results?
The best I have got until now is 1000fps with 1920x960 and continuous at the same res with preview hacked using multiple Kingston 16GB 600x CFs. Soon Ill buy a 2pack Komputerbay 64gb
and I would like also a suggest in which of 1000x or 1050x to choose is better?
P.S. Sorry for my bad English.

Best Regards.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: SteveTownsend on October 11, 2013, 09:06:47 PM
Hi

FYI for what it's worth

My KB 64GB card that is 1000x is OK

but I had a 1000x 128GB card that wasn't.

Sent it back and got a 1050x same size and that is fine.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 12, 2013, 11:45:14 PM
5D3 October 6th build.  RAW 1920x1080 at 29.97fps with ETTR
It is the first time I experienced green cast.
One raw view on 5D3 with green cast.  Others were ok.
What condition sets this off.
How to avoid it?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 13, 2013, 09:17:13 PM
5D3 October 6th build.  RAW 1920x1080 at 29.97fps with ETTR
It is the first time I experienced green cast.
One raw view on 5D3 with green cast.  Others were ok.
What condition sets this off.
How to avoid it?

Found the solution.  It is a problem with black level, solution by Alex here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8711.msg81766#msg81766

I copied exiftool.exe to the bad dng directory
in Windows 7 64 bit open cmd.exe (DOS COMMAND)
navegate to the directory where the dngs are.
type: exiftool -BlackLevel=2048 *.dng

The exiftool went through every dng and corrected the black level.

So my only questions left are:

What condition sets this off.
How to avoid it?


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kh3naz on October 16, 2013, 04:43:43 AM
5D3 October 6th build.

Where should we look for new 5d3 builds ?

thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: painya on October 16, 2013, 04:46:06 AM
http://builds.magiclantern.fm/#/
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 16, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
Compiling today's build 5D3 gets error:

Code: [Select]
[ CC       ]   focus.o
../../src/focus.c: In function 'focus_stack':
../../src/focus.c:260:29: error: 'focus_rack_enable_delay' undeclared (first use in this function)
../../src/focus.c:260:29: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in
make[1]: *** [focus.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/magiclantern/magic-lantern/platform/5D3.113'
make: *** [5D3] Error 2
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Audionut on October 17, 2013, 05:57:28 AM
Compiling today's build 5D3 gets error:

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/50751b38eb1015b5223bd201241fdd575eec8e97
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: televizyonadam on October 20, 2013, 12:23:38 AM
I do uploaded the lates version. Everything looks fine but there is no raw recording section. What could I do wrong ?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: vikado on October 20, 2013, 12:30:37 AM
are dead/hot pixels less of an issue on the 5d3 vs other cameras?
i've noticed dead pixels on a 5d2/7d/600d.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dd2020 on October 20, 2013, 07:54:59 AM
How do you guys manage to format the card while still preserve the ML?
I used to do on 5d mark ll. but on 5d mark lll , seem like there are no such option.

Thank you in advance.

DD2020
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 20, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
Correct. no such option.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on October 20, 2013, 07:42:55 PM
How do you guys manage to format the card while still preserve the ML?
I used to do on 5d mark ll. but on 5d mark lll , seem like there are no such option.

Thank you in advance.

DD2020

There's a handy workaround on the 5DIII.  Put ML on an SD card.  Then you don't have to worry about formatting your CF.  Also, all of your preferences will be sticky between swapping cards.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kaco on October 26, 2013, 04:15:08 PM
Hello. Recently I bought Komputerbay 128Gb 1050x UDMA7 Compact flash. I'm testing it in my 5Dmk3. It can only record up to 8:48, than it starts to lose many frames. It's quite strange, because I am getting really constant results -- every time it goes good up to 8:26 and then the speed falls to 0.x Mb/s and will stop at 8:48 (42.8 Gb).

What's more iteresting -- I also tested my 64Gb Lexar 1000x card with nearly the same results. 42.8~42.9 Gb max write.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: timetraveller on October 27, 2013, 03:58:23 AM
Hi!

I'm new in the forum and new in the world of RAW video.

I finally got a 5D3, and I'm planning a shoot which would involve shots of a maximum length of 2minutes.

I'd use KB 1000x 64GB cards.

I'll answer my own questions in RED

1.- What release would be best (stable) for a shoot of this kind without losing frames in those 1-2 minute shots?

I'm using Nightly builds since I post this message without any problem.

2.- Right now, audio recording is not possible in RAW, so, what approach would you use for audio recording?

I plan to record it separately as always do, but in "H.264", the audio of the camera clips has been always useful for synchronize the "good" audio from the external recorder.

So with RAW I guess I'm "forced" to use a slate, like in my old film times! :)

I use a SLATE as in the old film times.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jonnyginese on October 27, 2013, 03:01:51 PM
I just got a 5d3 in the mail... And it has firmware 1.2.3... Which is odd because the newest one on the canon website is only 1.2.1.

I'm guessing I need to downgrade.. Have the ML guys looked at 1.2.3 to see if any new goodies have been unlocked? I think that 1.2.1 was when clean HDMI came out.

anyways, I have the KB 1050x card and would like to do raw. I want to setup an SD card to boot ML so that I can clean format the CF card after dumbing the footage. Do I need to get an older firmware to downgrade? If so where can I get it?

Thanks guys
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kaco on October 27, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
I just got a 5d3 in the mail... And it has firmware 1.2.3... Which is odd because the newest one on the canon website is only 1.2.1.

I'm guessing I need to downgrade.. Have the ML guys looked at 1.2.3 to see if any new goodies have been unlocked? I think that 1.2.1 was when clean HDMI came out.

anyways, I have the KB 1050x card and would like to do raw. I want to setup an SD card to boot ML so that I can clean format the CF card after dumbing the footage. Do I need to get an older firmware to downgrade? If so where can I get it?

Thanks guys

yes, you have to downgrade the firmware:
http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=17898
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on October 27, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
Kinda curious what 1.2.3 has. Is there any way to back up the firmware before downgrading it to an older one?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jonnyginese on October 27, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
Kinda curious what 1.2.3 has. Is there any way to back up the firmware before downgrading it to an older one?

This is why I asked this. ha.

And it doesn't look like the link is working for the 1.1.3. off that site. is there another link?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 28, 2013, 01:10:44 PM
And it doesn't look like the link is working for the 1.1.3. off that site. is there another link?

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: murdoc on October 28, 2013, 11:10:33 PM
Could someone point me to tutorial how to install ML with RAW video for 5D MKIII? I've read many sites on internet and all of them point to different files etc. I'm confused. I'm using 1.1.3 firmware on 5D.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on October 29, 2013, 12:17:50 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kaco on October 30, 2013, 02:23:29 PM
Hello. Recently I bought Komputerbay 128Gb 1050x UDMA7 Compact flash. I'm testing it in my 5Dmk3. It can only record up to 8:48, than it starts to lose many frames. It's quite strange, because I am getting really constant results -- every time it goes good up to 8:26 and then the speed falls to 0.x Mb/s and will stop at 8:48 (42.8 Gb).

What's more iteresting -- I also tested my 64Gb Lexar 1000x card with nearly the same results. 42.8~42.9 Gb max write.

The maximum file size in FAT32 is 4.29 Gb. Since I am constantly getting max recording of 8:48 mins (10 raw 4.29 raw files) I would say this is a kind of a ML bug?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on October 30, 2013, 04:34:13 PM
If anyone is interested about 1.2.3, here's some info:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/10/eos-5d-mark-iii-firmware-1-2-3-available/
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: 5D3shooter on October 31, 2013, 12:28:46 PM
The maximum file size in FAT32 is 4.29 Gb. Since I am constantly getting max recording of 8:48 mins (10 raw 4.29 raw files) I would say this is a kind of a ML bug?

You can format your card with your computer to EXFAT format and then it won't do that.  With Fat32 you will get spanned files that have to be merged back together..this is not that hard, but if your new it might be complicating.  Best is to use EXFAT format.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hkarlsen on October 31, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
Hi! Thanks for a great community!
To questions

1. Why is my overlay shutterspeed saying 1/48 whilst my ML menu is saying 1/50 +180 degree. I need 1/50 so which is the correct one?
2. All my dng/raw files are reporting to have been shot at 5500 kelving whitebalance, even though I set it differently in ML Menues. How can I change this?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on October 31, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
1. 1/48 is what Canon cameras can do, ML setting appears as 50 but I'm pretty sure it's just 48 in reality.

2. Your DNG don't have any metadata from the camera, so the white balance value is whatever the app you're using defaults to. You need to set it manually.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hkarlsen on October 31, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
1. 1/48 is what Canon cameras can do, ML setting appears as 50 but I'm pretty sure it's just 48 in reality.

2. Your DNG don't have any metadata from the camera, so the white balance value is whatever the app you're using defaults to. You need to set it manually.

Thank you very much for quick response. Are people experiencing any flickr in PAL/25p land with ML video at 1/48. Should be a problem I guess..
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: KurtAugust on October 31, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
I'm in PAL not having any trouble shooting tungsten or tube lights. Only problematic scenes are led-screens at concerts, but I don't know whether their native refresh rate are 50hz. I can't imagine a camera being successful if it were a problem in normal conditions.

(Actually it's annoying hardly any consumer compact camera has a 25 or 50fps mode right now)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kaco on November 01, 2013, 08:46:12 PM
You can format your card with your computer to EXFAT format and then it won't do that.  With Fat32 you will get spanned files that have to be merged back together..this is not that hard, but if your new it might be complicating.  Best is to use EXFAT format.

thanks, I didn't know that the camera will format the card into FAT32. One more interesting thing -- I had the ML on small SD (FAT) and one 128Gb CF in EXFAT. It was also spanning files and I had to format the SD into EXFAT as well.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hkarlsen on November 04, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
Some questions regarding CF Cards and black&white focuszoom

1. Have several Komputerbay 64 gb cards, formated on my Mac as exFAT. They all work great, except the first couple of files, that will linger at writespeeds around 72 MB/s. The third file will get write speed at 90mb+. Is this to be expected, or is there any way to avoid it?

2. When a card has been transfered to my mac, I just delete the files from the card and I dont do in-camera formating (to keep the exfat structure). Does this method create issues down the road (messy file structures on-card). How do people maintain their exFAT formatting over time?

3. Why is the first step of focus magnification black&white? It's also pixelated and much harder to judge focus on. Is there any way to use the standard magnification? (5dmrk3)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on November 04, 2013, 05:57:10 PM
1. Yes, there's a setting called something like "Card Warm Up" which will write several small files to the card before you record to get it going at its max rate.

2. I don't think there are any negative impacts on formatting your card on a computer vs. in camera.

3. Not sure, my  guess is that it's got to do with the CPU, but you might want to submit a request, although I suspect that if it could be done in color they would implement that. The reason why the 1st step of magnification is like that but the 2nd is normal is because the 1st step is what's called "Crop Mode" allowing you to shoot while magnified. Perhaps there could be a way that the developers could allow people to simply disable Crop Mode completely that might allow for regular magnification?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hirumhorkweller on November 05, 2013, 07:14:46 AM
Hi, would love to know what is the highest resolution everyone is able to achieve continuous shooting at 60fps.  Please list your response to this query with the type of card you use.  Mine is:

CARD = Komputerbay 1050x 128 GB
HIGHEST RESOLUTION 60fps = 1472x516 (75.9 MB/s)

The odd thing is that I can get continuous shooting at 1920x1080 at 24fps, which is a higher data rate (82.9 MP/s) than the above rate, but I still can't get any higher resolution than above at 60fps.  Very frustrating.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wongfaehong on November 06, 2013, 02:39:17 PM
"June 19th build.

I recorded over 4gb(fat32 card).. but record didn't stop .

why so?

and.. now i have files M21-1520.RAW .R00 .R01 .R02   ....

it doesn't work at raw2dng ...

HELP me plz"

If you still have this problem, try downloading RAWmagic 1.0 (64bit) by Rarevision from the iTunes store. Its free. Then add all of the similarly named files i.e. M21-1520.RAW .R00 .R01 .R02 into the queue. It will read this series of files as a spanned file and should render out the CinemaDNG folder without any issues. This is what worked for me.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hkarlsen on November 07, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
What is the considered safe working temperature for 5dmrk3? And how do people manage temperature issues, what is quickest with regards to cooling etc.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: eoshq on November 07, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
What is the considered safe working temperature for 5dmrk3? And how do people manage temperature issues, what is quickest with regards to cooling etc.
Thanks!

How hot does your 5D3 get recording raw video? How about normal video?

Here is my report: I wanted to test what happens when the 5D3 spans over 4GB in h.264 recording. It got up to 54 degree C recording 1080p24 ALL-I h.264 for ten minutes without Magic Lantern loaded. And this was in an indoor air-conditioned room at night. So I am assuming that Canon planed for it to get that hot probably a bit hotter. I did not get any heat warnings in the LCD.

Now the 5D3 definitely gets hotter and gets hot faster recording raw video. I've seen it get to 57 degree C. Still no warnings. Will it damage the camera? I hope not, but common sense tells us that heat kills electronics over time and so it will do it no favors.

To cool it down, remove the memory cards and battery for 30 minutes, I wouldn't place mine on ice packs or anything, that just seems to be asking for trouble, moisture vapor and humidity and all will do it no favors either.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on November 07, 2013, 06:20:58 PM
The biggest contributor to heat is the display screen. Perhaps lowering the brightness might help, or even better using an external EVF monitor which would cause the internal one to turn off.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hkarlsen on November 07, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
The biggest contributor to heat is the display screen. Perhaps lowering the brightness might help, or even better using an external EVF monitor which would cause the internal one to turn off.

I saw it rise to 53C yesterday after perhaps 10 minutes use and standby. This was with external LCD connected. The room had alot of lights (food packshot) but it wasnt that hot actually. 3 minutes of downtime cooled it down to 47, and I kept rolling. Is there an onboard temperature shutoff function?

In other news. I brought the packshot to a pro grader in a Davinci suite. He could not believe his eyes. It mimiced RED Epics cleanness in many ways, he said. And we tried a skintone key, which was "through the roof". Exciting times!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: melllok on December 11, 2013, 03:07:32 AM
I'm trying to install raw rec module, but August build
(https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7QlH_BH2m32Nm9hVHZpVlpCWU0&usp=sharing)
doesn't seem to work for me. After I successfuly install ML on top of 1.1.3, the I replace ML folder and the .fir file on the card and try to update the firmware, the camera says "update file cannot be found. Please check the memory card and reload the battery and try again".
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on December 11, 2013, 01:45:57 PM
If you have successfully installed ML why are you doing a firmware update?  A successful install already would include a one-time fir file update

Try to follow this guide:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

You are also posting on the wrong thread this should be posted on the install thread above.  This thread is for results of ML in Mark III
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: erek on December 28, 2013, 06:56:32 AM
so for the most consistently reliable experience with Uncompressed 14-bit RAW the 64GB Lexar 1000x CF card is the way to go?  most them are consistently fast enough to handle 1920x1080 24p continuously and fill up the card before skipping frames and or stopping?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RenatoPhoto on December 28, 2013, 12:59:38 PM
Lexar is the most consistent!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on January 06, 2014, 07:25:39 AM
I'm a Little confused about Raw Modules.
(In fact, I am finish a movie in ML RAW during 4 months and I tried not change firmware from the beginning) .

- I upgrade ML in my 5D III.
- I found two similar modules: MLV RAW and RAW REC.
- Wich I have to use on Macintosh?

Any idea of thread (No technical please) can help me.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mine85 on January 06, 2014, 09:41:00 AM
Hey guys. Here is my first attempt at the 5D Mark iii. I'm using the Dec 27th build and sometimes i have to remove and return the battery for the camera to boot (simply switching it on and off doesn't help) does anybody else have this issue?

ML is installed on a Toshiba SD card (30mbps) and footage goes to a Komputerbay 1050x 128GB card.

Thanks for your time guys and do have a Happy 'belated' ;) New Year!

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: austinmarti on January 06, 2014, 06:28:30 PM
I'm a Little confused about Raw Modules.
(In fact, I am finish a movie in ML RAW during 4 months and I tried not change firmware from the beginning) .

- I upgrade ML in my 5D III.
- I found two similar modules: MLV RAW and RAW REC.
- Wich I have to use on Macintosh?

Any idea of thread (No technical please) can help me.
I believe MLV RAW is a feature which allows you to record as a new .mlv (magic lantern video) format.

I would stick with RAW REC.

Maybe someone who knows more can help you out.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: austinmarti on January 06, 2014, 06:33:14 PM
Hey guys. Here is my first attempt at the 5D Mark iii. I'm using the Dec 27th build and sometimes i have to remove and return the battery for the camera to boot (simply switching it on and off doesn't help) does anybody else have this issue?

ML is installed on a Toshiba SD card (30mbps) and footage goes to a Komputerbay 1050x 128GB card.

Thanks for your time guys and do have a Happy 'belated' ;) New Year!

Beautiful shots!

I believe I'm using an older build, but I do have the same issue sometimes (having to remove battery).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on January 07, 2014, 06:39:22 AM
I believe MLV RAW is a feature which allows you to record as a new .mlv (magic lantern video) format.

I would stick with RAW REC.

Maybe someone who knows more can help you out.

Yes It's like you say. But the soft for Osx mavericks doesn't work, so, I have a lot of shots that cannot open. Don't used it for sty serious!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mine85 on January 07, 2014, 07:26:04 AM
Beautiful shots!

I believe I'm using an older build, but I do have the same issue sometimes (having to remove battery).

 ;D Thanks! I'll try the latest build today to see whether that'll remedy the problem
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Krane on January 12, 2014, 07:22:32 AM
Hey guys. Here is my first attempt at the 5D Mark iii. I'm using the Dec 27th build and sometimes i have to remove and return the battery for the camera to boot (simply switching it on and off doesn't help) does anybody else have this issue?

ML is installed on a Toshiba SD card (30mbps) and footage goes to a Komputerbay 1050x 128GB card.

Thanks for your time guys and do have a Happy 'belated' ;) New Year!

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/83477023[vimeo]
That's a great start. Here's a few tips for the future:

Focal point -- Consider someone or some object you compose in the shot to draw our attention. Typically something that unusual or unique.

Moving objects -- things don't always have to move all the time. Where there is little or no movement, you can choose to move the camera instead. After all, it is a video.

Use the zoom -- Zoom towards the cell tower, or away from it.  Or consider a tilt, boom up/down, pan, or dolly in/out. The rack focus was a great idea, but try and have someone or some thing specific to rack from and to.

We look forward to your next video!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: erek on January 12, 2014, 08:10:50 PM
is this 14-bit RAW Uncompressed recording debayered?  i heard it's 14-bit RGGB with no debayering involved?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mine85 on January 13, 2014, 09:23:33 AM
That's a great start. Here's a few tips for the future:

Focal point -- Consider someone or some object you compose in the shot to draw our attention. Typically something that unusual or unique.

Moving objects -- things don't always have to move all the time. Where there is little or no movement, you can choose to move the camera instead. After all, it is a video.

Use the zoom -- Zoom towards the cell tower, or away from it.  Or consider a tilt, boom up/down, pan, or dolly in/out. The rack focus was a great idea, but try and have someone or some thing specific to rack from and to.

We look forward to your next video!

Thank you very much for the feedback and the time Krane. I get what you're saying about moving objects, someone told me the shots look like still images  :o I really need to practice more on my storytelling/scene blocking etc using the camera it seems.

Thanks again for the advice ;D
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Konopy on January 20, 2014, 05:24:03 PM
Hi guys, please can someone help us with this problem?
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.msg97075#msg97075
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: MichaelHeiland on January 21, 2014, 07:15:55 PM
Hey this is probably a very well known thing but I just wish to get some clarity. 

I have been shooting .MLV raw this whole weekend and have discovered that the .WAV audio file is about 2 seconds longer than my .dng clip length. 

Why is that?  Is there a way to have it the same length?  Also is the extra audio at the end of the clip or at the beginning?  It appears to be at the end. 

Thanks again for such an amazing tool guys.  You're amazing. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: adotphoto on January 29, 2014, 07:38:47 AM
^^^^^might wana do some reading on the previous pages buddy about the audio files

newb here checking in, just read this entire thread. Lots of info and knowledge gained :) 2 komputerbay cards coming in the mail thursday. Hoping they arent corrupted ^___^
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: PressureFM on January 29, 2014, 08:49:37 AM
Hey this is probably a very well known thing but I just wish to get some clarity. 

I have been shooting .MLV raw this whole weekend and have discovered that the .WAV audio file is about 2 seconds longer than my .dng clip length. 

Why is that?  Is there a way to have it the same length?  Also is the extra audio at the end of the clip or at the beginning?  It appears to be at the end. 

Thanks again for such an amazing tool guys.  You're amazing.

The processor is already, more or less, maxed out. So the commands are queued to end one process after the other. First it stops video and then sound, hence why sound has a longer duration than video.

As have been suggested, it is very informative to put on your reading glasses and grab your favorite cup of beverage and start reading. I doubt people are that interested in spoon-feeding when the treasure trove of information is freely available.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Krane on January 29, 2014, 05:42:44 PM
The processor is already, more or less, maxed out. So the commands are queued to end one process after the other. First it stops video and then sound, hence why sound has a longer duration than video.

As have been suggested, it is very informative to put on your reading glasses and grab your favorite cup of beverage and start reading. I doubt people are that interested in spoon-feeding when the treasure trove of information is freely available.
Its a lot more complicated then that. For one, its dry material. And two, despite some efforts to organize related topics, its still scattered in bits and pieces all over the sight. Its like trying to put together a puzzle while putting together a puzzle inside of that  puzzle.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on January 29, 2014, 07:13:08 PM
Its a lot more complicated then that. For one, its dry material. And two, despite some efforts to organize related topics, its still scattered in bits and pieces all over the sight. Its like trying to put together a puzzle while putting together a puzzle inside of that  puzzle.

It may feel that way but it's really not once you actually start digging in. Sure it can be overwhelming at first, but once you learn where to go look and which topics to follow it's really not that bad.

Magic Lantern is decisively not designed for people who just want to install and play and there are plenty of warnings written all over the site to discourage that type of attitude. If you're allergic to manuals and impatient, you might want to move along, there are other easier solutions in the marketplace for shooting raw.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: marekk on February 05, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
... and finally switched from 60d to 5dmkIII :) yeeahh :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Krane on February 06, 2014, 09:20:22 PM
It may feel that way but it's really not once you actually start digging in. Sure it can be overwhelming at first, but once you learn where to go look and which topics to follow it's really not that bad.

Magic Lantern is decisively not designed for people who just want to install and play and there are plenty of warnings written all over the site to discourage that type of attitude. If you're allergic to manuals and impatient, you might want to move along, there are other easier solutions in the marketplace for shooting raw.
I'm not allergic to manuals, I just don't want to spend half my time searching for the right one. And then half again of that deciphering their content.

On the bright side, some professionally  written manual don't do as good a job at explaining thing as a few of the instructions put forth here. Getting ML set up and going wasn't that difficult.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on February 06, 2014, 11:10:08 PM
I'm not allergic to manuals, I just don't want to spend half my time searching for the right one. And then half again of that deciphering their content.

Welcome to open source!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on February 09, 2014, 08:49:01 AM
On the Feb 8 nightly on the 5D3, I have GD on, but I set it to turn off during recording. Well, GD will be on, then I hit record, but once recording stops GD doesn't come back on until I turn the camera off and then back on.

Bug or am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaristim on February 14, 2014, 05:26:46 AM
On the Feb 8 nightly on the 5D3, I have GD on, but I set it to turn off during recording. Well, GD will be on, then I hit record, but once recording stops GD doesn't come back on until I turn the camera off and then back on.

Bug or am I doing something wrong?

I'm having the same bug, it must be a bug! Did you report it?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: QuickHitRecord on February 14, 2014, 05:30:59 AM
On the Feb 8 nightly on the 5D3, I have GD on, but I set it to turn off during recording. Well, GD will be on, then I hit record, but once recording stops GD doesn't come back on until I turn the camera off and then back on.

Bug or am I doing something wrong?

I had the same issue. I realized that my SD card was locked, and basically was reverting my settings every time I turned the camera off. I think that I had 'Global Draw Disable' on Allow (or maybe it was turned off) saved as a setting. In any case, I switched it (also, I think that I switched Global Draw to 'Live View Only') and all was well.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaristim on February 14, 2014, 05:39:57 AM
I had the same issue. I realized that my SD card was locked, and basically was reverting my settings every time I turned the camera off. I think that I had 'Global Draw Disable' on Allow (or maybe it was turned off) saved as a setting. In any case, I switched it (also, I think that I switched Global Draw to 'Live View Only') and all was well.

I just checked my settings and my SD card is unlocked and GD in Live View. Still having that bug
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ayshih on February 14, 2014, 05:44:53 AM
On the Feb 8 nightly on the 5D3, I have GD on, but I set it to turn off during recording. Well, GD will be on, then I hit record, but once recording stops GD doesn't come back on until I turn the camera off and then back on.

Bug or am I doing something wrong?

Can you (and others) try the latest nightly build (Feb 14), which includes this commit (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/208c3e1db25c2ce041c8bbef24fbadb5f1edfcdf)?  When mlv_rec turns GD off during recording, it should now come back after the recording stops.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: aaristim on February 14, 2014, 06:28:00 AM
Can you (and others) try the latest nightly build (Feb 14), which includes this commit (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/208c3e1db25c2ce041c8bbef24fbadb5f1edfcdf)?  When mlv_rec turns GD off during recording, it should now come back after the recording stops.

Thanks! Working now :)
However, i noticed the recording time at 1920 x 500 60fps has decreased from about 6s to 5s. Any idea about what is causing that?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: eyeland on February 20, 2014, 04:53:19 PM
I'm using the Dec 27th build and sometimes i have to remove and return the battery for the camera to boot (simply switching it on and off doesn't help) does anybody else have this issue?
I currently started experiencing the same or a similar issue when shooting MLV. My camera freezes with Err 70..
So many things change all the time that causal determinations becomes rather tricky.
I believe I am on the dec 12 build. Lurencos last build from the autum 2013 worked well for me, but I changed to a newer build to test MLV. Seeing as Lourenco seems to have stopped updating the builds, has anyone taken over that task or do you guys "just"  play around with nightlies now?
Another thing, do we discuss MLV here as well or should that be reserved for the dedicated MLV thread?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on February 20, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
Can you (and others) try the latest nightly build (Feb 14), which includes this commit (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/208c3e1db25c2ce041c8bbef24fbadb5f1edfcdf)?  When mlv_rec turns GD off during recording, it should now come back after the recording stops.

I am testing the latest nightly right now. I'll report if there are any problems.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on February 24, 2014, 04:12:03 PM
Tried the Feb 24th.,
when recording raw, there are no grey bars which show the recorded area. Or do i miss something?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kawasakiguy37 on April 17, 2014, 11:12:36 PM
Is it normal to drop frames for the first 5-10 seconds, and then have no problem with continuous 1920 x 1080 at 23.976? Cant for the life of me get it to work perfectly from the get go.....I've read this entire thread plus many others
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anandkamal on April 20, 2014, 11:25:31 AM
hi, is 5d3 1.2.3 no more a bleeding edge? can newbies try installing the ML on 1.2.3 5d3? from what i gone through the threads, it seems like .raw works pretty well than .mlv which currently is slightly unstable. Sorry i got to go through the entire thread to find the latest update.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: rainless on April 20, 2014, 09:41:44 PM
Yeah... That's kinda why I created this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11243.0

Anyway you should always just TRY whatever the latest version is.  If you don't like the way 1.2.3 runs you can always downgrade back to 1.1.3.

Both of them work just fine for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mir on May 30, 2014, 06:25:11 PM
Is it normal to drop frames for the first 5-10 seconds, and then have no problem with continuous 1920 x 1080 at 23.976? Cant for the life of me get it to work perfectly from the get go.....I've read this entire thread plus many others

I have the exact same problem. I've read the raw recording guide and everything is set exactly as described. I even ran a card benchmark test and it runs 87 write and 110 read. Completely out of ideas on how to run 30fps. 24fps works fine without a hitch. I'm running the latest nightly build.

Open to any suggestions.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on June 01, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
I have the exact same problem. I've read the raw recording guide and everything is set exactly as described. I even ran a card benchmark test and it runs 87 write and 110 read. Completely out of ideas on how to run 30fps. 24fps works fine without a hitch. I'm running the latest nightly build.

Open to any suggestions.

Try card warm up.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: andresharambour on June 03, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and I've been testing the nightly builds with my 5D mkiii to shoot raw. I'm loving it so far.

Here's a little comparison I made with some text in Spanish that could be useful to some of you.
(Couldn't figure out how to embed the video. Too long without posting in a forum)

This was shot with the latest nightly build (05-23-2014) using the mlv format.

Any suggestions are welcome of course!

I hope this was the right thread to post this, if not please let me know and I'll remove it.

Andres
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: joshuamk on June 11, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
Hi All,

I've been having a read and this is a great thread, its nice to see so many camera enthusiasts working together.

I have been doing some tests of my own of the 14bit RAW on the 5d3 and have come across an issue that puzzles me a little.
I started by shooting some basic videos around the office and wanted to see how much I could pull back in terms of highlight and shadow detail
and of course it is very impressive. However when filming the window I noticed that the more I claw back in the adobe raw after effects tools the more aliasing and flicker is introduced into the image. Of course being that this is the 5d3 I know i don't get this kind of aliasing when recording h.264.

Here is an example of what I'm looking at, specifically the crossbar on the window.
This video was recorded at 1600x1200 (I meant to record in 4:3 but I get the same effects in 16:9)
Also in after effects the highlights are at -100 and shadows at +100

Has anybody else experienced this or is this unusual?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Monsanto on June 11, 2014, 11:22:01 PM
Yeah you should never go past 50 on any settings. :-[ You need to expose better remember your ISO is baked in so by pulling up the exposure you will just introduce more noise and banding your stressing the DNG this is video not photo's. Watch those highlights too, otherwise you lose color detail. Just because its Raw doesnt mean you can work miracles in post. WYSIWG turn on zebras and use the waveform when you shoot, expose correctly and a little work in post will shine. Dont be afraid to use high ISO'S its better than pulling up the exposure in post.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: joshuamk on June 11, 2014, 11:35:56 PM
Its okay, I'm perfectly aware of how to expose correctly ;) This is an exercise to deliberately see how far the dng's can be pushed in post. I find the best way to get a good understanding of possibilities of the whole workflow and find interesting optical effects are to conduct stress tests like this.

Noise and banding I expected to see however I just was a bit taken aback by how bad the aliasing became. Even at 50 its quite noticeable in this particular circumstance.

Thanks for your response.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevefal on June 12, 2014, 02:55:17 AM
I've done pretty exhaustive testing with custom test images to try and get to the bottom of ACR's non-linear behaviors relative to highlight recovery and other exposure controls. These are the behaviors that causes flickering in video when the balance of bright and dark objects changes from frame to frame. I measured Process 2012, 2010, and 2003. Process 2012 offers the most aggressive controls but all of them will cause flickering due to some kind of image-dependent tweaking of curves or maybe microcontrast processing.

I've never seen the kind of aliasing you got on and below that horizontal window frame, but it might be an artifact of the exposure processing at extremes, and the geometry and lighting of that particular object. I don't see similar aliasing anywhere else in the clip.

Focusing only on Process 2012, the following exposure controls will cause non-linear changes and hence flickering:

Exposure +/- OK
Contrast +/- NOT OK
Highlights +/- NOT OK
Shadows +/- NOT OK
Whites + NOT OK (minor)
Whites - OK
Blacks +/-  OK
Clarity +  NOT OK
Clarity - OK

Processes 2010 and 2003 behave similarly, but with less dramatic flickering (due to less aggressive effects), and some differences from the latest. I can post those results if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: joshuamk on June 12, 2014, 04:55:10 AM
Hi stevefal,

Yes that is interesting. This particular window frame has an incredibly straight edge and seems to invite aliasing and therefore flickering after post processing in ACR. Of course these effects are very much less if you minimise the reliance on post-correction as monsanto points out.

I suppose my main curiosity is why this kind of artifact is so intense. As I stress the image I start to see the horizontal lines emerge to give off a similar effect to what you might find on dual iso images or on de-interlaced footage.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevefal on June 12, 2014, 07:33:22 AM
I guess I'm seeing something else. I don't think it looks like dual-ISO aliased edges. I  see a kind of rolling moire along the upper face of the frame. Is there perhaps a line or grid pattern on that metal material?

As I look again, I don't really see how this could be related to the exposure issue. The artifact moves just like moire, but I don't see the pattern causing it. It's like to shooting though a screen.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on June 12, 2014, 08:56:15 AM
Can you upload a few DNG frames?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: joshuamk on June 12, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
Hi all,

there is no pattern on the window frame so yes a bit puzzling. Here are a couple of frames in my dropbox.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbhgi3euj0drfhb/M11-1956_00000.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7q647pbvfiwawk/M11-1956_00021.dng
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qmgeq1aqdoj4t2m/M11-1956_00054.dng

I'm also going to upload a similar davinci grade later today to compare with ACR.

Regards
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mannfilm on June 12, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
In Adobe CC, ACR is different in photoshop or after effects. There is flicker and artifacts in Photoshop ACR because it is treating each image as a separate image and changing  from frame to frame. There is no flicker or artifacts in After Effects ACR because it is treating it as video,  and applying the same changes to every frame - like a video editing app should do. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: joshuamk on June 12, 2014, 06:33:09 PM
Although I am using after effects :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevefal on June 12, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
There is no flicker or artifacts in After Effects ACR because it is treating it as video...

This is not right. AE/ACR CC still flickers: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5710.100
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: joshuamk on June 13, 2014, 01:09:42 PM
Here's an update on the clip I posted yesterday. It's good to get  to the bottom of this.

NEW CLIP:

ACR is absolutely the problem. I performed a simple correction in Davinci and get none of the same problems. I was a little shocked at how drastic the ACR settings actually are. To my eyes the output from Davinci is much milder even when trying to do a stress test. Overall I would still obviously like to have After effects as an option for post production but after this side-by-side I doubt I will touch it for RAW video again.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevefal on June 13, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
I still use ACR for the first technical correction, because it has so many high quality features. I just keep away from too much of the fancy exposure controls. I use it for:

- white balance
- exposure
- some highlight/shadow
- lens correction
- noise reduction
- sharpening
- chromatic aberration correction (for specular highlights)
- gradient corrections

The last one is possibly overlooked by people. With ACR you can draw gradients over the image that contain exposure and other corrective variations from the main controls. For instance, if you have a hot light on the side of an image, you can bring its exposure down while leaving the other side of the image untouched. For me, this is a good alternative to aggressive highlight control. Check it out.

I then render in AE to ProRes4444 at 16 bits. These files are much smaller than the CDNG, but still very gradeable.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on July 16, 2014, 06:43:26 PM
Hey there!

I've been playing for a while now with the RAW stuff and it amazes me. That being said, I wanted to "simulate" a real project under real conditions. I'm gonna make it short, what problems I ran into:

i) Some of the clips I took were recorded in 29.976 fps, even though I specifically set the fps override to 23.976. I shot about 30 clips, 4 are in 29.976 fps. That's weird, what could it be??

ii) If I took shots within the same minute, ML seems to keep both files, but overwrites them, so that only the last one taken can be decoded. It's in that format: M16-1510. The other folder has  the exact same name and the file it contains seems to be an exact copy of the other file, named M16-1510 as well. So one of the two will always be missing. What can I do?

I shot everything in 1920x1080, 23.976 fps, I used a Komputerbay 64 GB card as well as the latest ML version. Any help in solving these issues will be highly appreciated!

Phil
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on July 16, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
Hello Phil,

I realize you're new here and I would highly recommend that you consider spending some time not only just messing around with your camera and learning by doing, but also reading as much as you can of these forums. While they might seem like a real time suck, it will help you by providing you with a lot of insight and ideas so that you can self-troubleshoot your issues.

I would also advise that you include some critical information along with any questions, such as your firmware revision, the nightly build that you're using, and whether or not you're shooting crop or non-crop, and .raw or .mlv.

I can answer question #2, and I don't know if it's a ML lantern but the way Canon names the files is based on the day and time, so for instance M16-0950 would be the name of any file shot right now. Unfortunately I don't know if ML has control over the name of the file, and the way to avoid such issue might be to make sure not to record two takes within the same minute.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Audionut on July 17, 2014, 05:50:14 AM
The filename thing is ML (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/ab901b17f45e7e5524d0f28574bbf4f8333fc9ab/modules/mlv_rec/mlv_rec.c?at=unified#cl-2137).

Code: [Select]
snprintf(videoname, sizeof(videoname), "M%02d-%02d%02d", now.tm_mday, now.tm_hour, COERCE(now.tm_min + number, 0, 99));
When you shoot crop mode, the framerate switches to 30fps.  You need to use FPS override. 

Midphase has good advise.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on July 17, 2014, 07:51:30 AM
See also...

It should never happen. Find a way to reproduce and create a proper bug report.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on July 17, 2014, 02:27:32 PM
Hello there and thank you for your replies, also thank you for developping ML, I don't wish to come across as someone who doesn't appreciate the effort others make in order to realize such a project. However, I did read quite a bit and I have so far shot only in "unreal" conditions. It means I did some testshots, played a little with this and that, liked it and decided that I now want to explore a proper workflow for "real" projects. So I jumped on YouTube and looked for a tutorial. I found one and liked it, so yesterday was the day for me where I started a little project in order to finish it from A to Z. The problems I came across I managed to solve some of them myself, some of them I couldn't yet fix and some of them are above me; about the latter I was hoping to gain some insight by asking about them. The problem with the green cast I managed to solve by fixing the BlackLevel. About the other problems I don't know where to go anymore, even though I tried to find threads in the forum about similar problems, I did find one concearning the fps override issue, but it wasn't (at least to my knowledge) solved.

So when I tried to reproduce the issue with the fps override, I didn't succeed. I had several guessings, though. I will list them:

ii) ML lets you choose between writing files into one directory or just in the DCIM folder. In choosing the option with the seperate directory, ML creates a folder that is named Mdd-hhmm.MLV. If you were to record two or more clips within the same minute, ML puts two (or more) folders on the CF-Card, all named the same. So in windows the path leads to only one file, even though all the files are there. My workaround is that I rename the files that came double myself, these aren't a lot usually. It doesn't happen too often that you record several clips within the same minute. A batch renamer would do the job as well I think. What also works is cut the folders on the CF-Card and paste it one after another, because (that's my amature-guessing) windows will clear one file and frees the way to the next file that was under the same path. Like M16-1234 exists 4 times on the CF-Card, cutting and pasting will clear the first one, then the next one and so forth. When prompted you just choose Copy, but keep both files and everything is there.

So I figured out issue ii). I don't know, as I said, much about programming and stuff, but I counted the characters that ML uses to name the files and folders, and they are 8 Characters long. That number is the same that canon uses. So I'm guessing that it is obligatory to name files 8 characters long? Would it be possible to leave the hyphen aside and replace it by upcounting number, so that the filenaming would be like:
M1611234
M1621234
M1631234
M1641234
M1651234
M1661237
...
M1791532
M1701532

So that the number counts from 1 to 0 no matter in what difference of timeintervalls clips are recorded, but ensuring that clips within the same minute will never be the same. And 11 clips in one minute is something not to consider.

I thought the option take in the mlv menu would do smth like that but it doesn't.

So far for the 'Recording several clips within the same minute with the option directory enabled'.

If the option create several directories is not enabled, the files count up and in that case the indicated time is off.

i) For the problem with the fps override I couldn't find a fix. In my previous post I literally spelled it out that I did set the fps override specifically on 23.976 in order that the regular recording and the crop recording match.
I couldn't find a way to reproduce this, I tried several things, though:

I tried recording with mlv_sound enabled, with it turned off. I tried it with a lot of different ISO settings, Aperture-values. I never changed the exposure time, I left that at 1/50th of a second.
It seems to me that it occurs arbitrarily with no recognizable cause. It happened so far on both of my CF-Cards, with all lenses I used.

I have tried all morning since 9am to reproduce that error that occured yesterday a couple of times, today everything seems fine.

Here's exactly what my setting was:

Canon 5D Mark III
Firmware: 123
ML Version: Date: 2014-07-04 00:01:21 +0200
Canon Sound: Disabled
(yet dim-wittedly on my side) MLV_Sound turned on.

This moring when I tried reproducing the tha fps override error I turned Canon sound on, I then, after turned Canon sound on I executed my testing with MLV_Sound on and off.

The error never occured again so far, so could it really be that this whole problem is due to the fact that I had Canon Sound disabled? I was recording the audio with my external recorder so I didn't need it, I didn't even need a synchsignal, that's why I didn't bother at all.

In the meantime I have insalled the latest version as of yesterday and tested a couple of recordings, in everyone of them the fps override did its job, Crop, Non-Crop. All is well so far. I will later in the day redo the testing with Canon sound disabled again, so if the error occurs again, I think I have found a reproducable cause for the default.

If you want me to provide you with more information, I will be happy to do so.

Thanks again for developping the ML Hack, that is really awesome of you guys!

Phil
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: NedB on July 17, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
@Phillight: I think the reason you have not been able to reproduce the error is that it can't/didn't happen. I'm pretty sure that a1ex and the other devs thought about this problem when they developed .raw and .mlv. As far as I know, ML uses the current time to name the clip unless that name has already been used, in which case it is incremented by one (unless that name has also been used, etc.). This is a quick fix and I guess a bit of a hack, but given that they only had the 8 characters, there wasn't much choice. So the "time stamps" for .mlv (and .raw, I think) clips are more-or-less accurate, except for this caveat that they may be off by a few if you shoot multiple shots beginning in the same "wall-clock" minute. I think this is what a1ex meant by "it should never happen". No offense meant, hopefully none is taken. I just don't believe there were any "hidden files" with the same name, I don't think ML allows it. Not sure to make of what happened (or seem to have happened) in your case... But, cheers!

Edit: Good effort at debugging and trying to find the source of the "problem", but I think the chances are very small that this file-renaming issue (if it really exists) had anything at all to do with whether or not you had Canon sound disabled.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on July 17, 2014, 03:52:10 PM
Hello NedB, just to quickly clarify, Canon sound disabled and Filenaming were not the two issues I linked/connected. I connected the fps override issue with the Canon Sound issue. I will now post a couple of pictures by which I try to illustrate the aforementioned:

I uploaded a series of pictures to Google. Please read the captions and the appended notes to them. I hope I could describe the issue I have here as thorough as possible.

Thank you very much for taking interest!

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103593325688024422825/albums/6037026448453372961 (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103593325688024422825/albums/6037026448453372961)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on July 17, 2014, 04:06:36 PM
Confirmed the bug and solved it. The keyword was the separate directory option, which I've never tried, and the first screenshot made it obvious.

(that's why I still use raw_rec if I ever record anything - much less stuff that can go wrong :P )
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on July 17, 2014, 04:18:56 PM
Does that mean we can be sure that this also causes the fps override issue? And is that a "real" bug or are the fps just wrongly written into the meta data, so that rawcdng or DaVinci get a faulty reading? Whatever it is I can do to help, I will do it as long as I am able :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on July 17, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
Find a way to reproduce it first. Without that, I have no idea what it might be.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on July 17, 2014, 07:16:09 PM
Ok. I tried. I did try to find a way to reproduce the 29 fps issue. I did not succeed. I will post the image right here, so you can see for yourself.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ywAzQBKXE7Q/U8gCwKn3gvI/AAAAAAAAF4k/rMICM05dHCs/w1598-h741-no/converter-issue.JPG)

I've been recording in every way imaginable to trace down what causes the fps to switch from my desired 23.976 to 29.976. I don't know what else to do. Everytime when I thought I know now what it is, it was not possible to reproduce it, and when I thought the settings I have now are fine, it happened again. Until I gave up, that is, a couple of minutes ago. Arbitrarily it happens... at least in my humble opinion. Its not the time its not the Preview mode, its not the lens, its not the ISO, its not the audio, its not the intervall between shots, its not the preallocation of memory, its not the extra hacks...

How can I provide you with something you smarter guys than me can work with?? Am I really the only one having that problem??

BTW, this afternoon I switched to the newly released version of ML, the one from yesterday.

From 1817 to 1858 I was changing settings like an idiot, I did everything, but obviously not a single clip came out 29 fps... that is very weird in my opinion...

SHORT EDIT: I manually changed (using Phil Harvey's ExifTool) the Framerate with that string: -IFD0:FrameRate=23.976 on all the clips that had different framerates. I couldn't synch the audio, though. But then again, I had Canon audio switched off and tried it by simply lining it up by timecode. Which I thought it should work if the time in camera and the audio recorder's time were synched.
I hope I'm not getting off topic here. Will continue to look for the cause right now.

Phil
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dd2020 on August 06, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
Can I ask a question here?

I have been using ML on 5d2 for a while and have problem when recording in crop mode... the shots always come out not quite correct position (the subject always be on the right instead of being center)as seen in the camera's monitor  But anyway it seem a little bit ... not too much.

But now... when I started shoot on 5d3 with ML latest Nightly build.... it seem the problem still occur..
when I shot in crop mode .... after processing the subject will go to the right ...(when seen in camera's monitor , I made the subject at the center)and this time the position are much different.

 I don't know how to fix this...    I had checked whether the zoom rectangle is already positioned in the center.

Thank you..
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on August 06, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
If you enter the submenu of RAW recording module, you'll find your answer to the problem under 'Preview'. If you use the ML Greyscale preview, it will literally tell you that even though it looks ugly, at least the framing is correct.

RAW -> Preview -> ML Preview.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dd2020 on August 08, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
If you enter the submenu of RAW recording module, you'll find your answer to the problem under 'Preview'. If you use the ML Greyscale preview, it will literally tell you that even though it looks ugly, at least the framing is correct.

RAW -> Preview -> ML Preview.
Thank you for your answer... but.. it still doesn't work.
Anyhow I have figured out how to fix this by going into menu Prefs> Focus box settings > Snap points > Center to x5 RAW

but I still have some question in mind.. may be ask later... thank you again...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: chmee on August 08, 2014, 10:09:49 AM
@Phillight
please do a look on your files with mlvdiag (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5618.msg119737#msg119737). maybe theres a bug in my converter? do a screenshot of the MLVI-block. as seen in the picture, the last two values on the right side are fps as fraction (23976/1000).

regards chmee
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: itsDPmikey on August 10, 2014, 06:52:15 AM
Hey friends,

I'm hoping you good people would be kind enough to help me with an issue i'm having with my 5D MARK iii.

Ever since I got my camera I've been getting these terrible flickering on all my shots(after installing magic lantern) And I cannot figure out why. I first downgraded to 1.1.3, had flickering, then upgraded to 1.2.3 and still flickering occurs in my videos. PLEASE HELP, PPLLEEAASSEE!!

Here is a footage of what i'm talking about
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By the way, In my ML settings under video TAB, I have both RAW VIDEO(MLV) and RAW Video on. Should I only have one of them on? I know one is with and without audio. But does it make a difference if both are set to ON?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 10, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
Yeah, you shouldn't have both MLV and RAW going at the same time. That might fix your issue right there. If that doesn't do it, I would probably blame it on too much CPU stuff going on at the same time, try turning off Global Draw.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: itsDPmikey on August 10, 2014, 08:34:42 AM
Yeah, you shouldn't have both MLV and RAW going at the same time. That might fix your issue right there. If that doesn't do it, I would probably blame it on too much CPU stuff going on at the same time, try turning off Global Draw.


THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING MIDPHASE

I thank you very much for that information sir. I will turn off one of them and record video on both of them(one at a time) and see which one works best. By the way If I turn off global draw, won't I lose focus peaking and those cool features that are useful in video? I'd hate to lose that because I just got my Tilta follow focus+carbonfiber mattebox  and I love love love using it, well I better for 1200 bucks.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Midphase on August 10, 2014, 08:15:33 PM
Yeah, you lose peaking and zebras etc. Experiment and see what works. There is also the Canon native peaking function which doesn't add any strain on the CPU.

Experiment, worry about getting solid footage first, and the other bells and whistles last. And finally, understand that you're working with a hacked solution, what that means is that there are quirks and other workarounds needed. If you are looking for a no-compromise way to shoot in raw, I advise that you look into other camera solutions.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on August 23, 2014, 05:14:20 PM
@chmee, that wouldn't be of no use if I did what you suggested, because there (very, very oddly) is no further use for troubleshooting the problem since it no longer exists. I haven't then known what was causing the issue, I don't know now and I probably shall never know. All I have observed since is that it never occurred again like Harry Potters scar just never hurt again. (sorry for the stupid methaphor.)

I upgrated to the latest version of your awesome converter and to the latest verision of ML, so if there was a bug in any of the previous versions, I'm pretty sure that it was fixed.

As for now, I don't see a point in downgrading both versions and trying again to find it. Do you? If so I can do it as soon as I have the time.

Have you heard of anybody else encountering that particular issue with the latest versions of MLV RAW and cdng converter?

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Phillight on August 23, 2014, 05:21:47 PM
itsDPmikey, I would like to ask you if you are using DaVinci resolve to render your footage, because if you do I just might know what's causing that flickering. I once had a "beta-testing" (if you know what I mean) version of DaVinci Resolveinstalled , (mind I didn't write DaVinci Resolve lite) and that was the exact same flickering I got every time I rendered something, especially when DaVinci's NR was applied. And your footage does look like it was treated with a faire amount of NR in DaVinci. I might be wrong, but that flickering bar at the top is very characteristic.

Anyway, try the lite version if that is in fact the case.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anandkamal on September 05, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
hi DPmikey, I once had the same problem. The possible reason could be that Resolve color corrects certain frames and certain remain. This causes the flash (corrected and original flashing). Click "ouput field as single source" in General Option under Master Setting. This would work as it worked for me for a while. I got the problem again. It is definitely to do with frame rate per second settings. Now, after I start using Resolve LITE, I face NO problem. It is all fine.... Hope that helps.

this is a wonderful thread for 5d3 guys, I hope there will be more conversation in here.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Satis on September 05, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
hi DPmikey, I once had the same problem. The possible reason could be that Resolve color corrects certain frames and certain remain. This causes the flash (corrected and original flashing). Click "ouput field as single source" in General Option under Master Setting. This would work as it worked for me for a while. I got the problem again. It is definitely to do with frame rate per second settings. Now, after I start using Resolve LITE, I face NO problem. It is all fine.... Hope that helps.

this is a wonderful thread for 5d3 guys, I hope there will be more conversation in here.
I used to have the same problem with Resolve 10 - regardless of what frame rates I rendered and etc - , ever since I downloaded 11 the problem has been fixed.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: danielson on September 14, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Last build from:  2014-08-07

Hi

I've a issue with the last file on the card:
the film is perfect, but the last 10 sec of audio is missing.

I've set "reserve card space" to "on". The camera writes the file before recording the first file, but with the last file, the "mlv.rec.tmp" is deleted or overwritten.
The last mlv-file is also distributed in to a lot of small files (around 9 files like "M13-1317.M08" with 52Byte and the "M13-1317.MLV" (the file with the missing audio on the last 10sec)).

I tried different settings with the same result.

Any idea to prevent this?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: STEVENPIX on October 13, 2014, 01:08:10 AM
Coming from 113 with my 5DMK3 and moved to Nightly built 123 but as before when I go to MODULES Menu I press SET to activate the raw_rec then

Only have the message ON, will load
and This module will be loaded at next reboot

What can I do to active RAW Module and access to Submenu ?

thxxx
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank7D on October 13, 2014, 02:23:20 AM
Did you try turning the camera off and on again after you activated raw_rec?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: STEVENPIX on October 13, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
Yes @Frank7D 10 times but same problem :-(
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: STEVENPIX on October 13, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
So After Reformated SD Card, put 123 Firmware and ML Data Folder again, then Load ML 123 and restart it works !!! :-)
Thanks Frank7D for the way of solution :-)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jans on October 13, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Installed yesterday ML latest version on my D53.Newby with ML. Made Test shots converted with Raw Magic in Davinci all frames are pinky. MLV viewer normal colors. What I do wrong. Please your ideas. Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Benji Tshi on December 01, 2014, 02:44:53 PM
Hi there,

I've installed ML on my 5D MkIII, version 1.2.3. Loaded the raw_rec module, set it up for 1920x1080 30 FPS recording, set the CF card as the preferred card in both Canon and ML menus, and though it's a Lexar 1066X capable of more than 100 MB/s, the recording fails after 10-12s, saying "Early stop (11)"
Tried several times, always the same ending.

Any idea or thoughts ?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: walter_schulz on December 01, 2014, 02:56:40 PM
You verified the card is good for > 100 MByte/s in write mode or are you just quoting the specs?

Debug tab -> Benchmarks -> Card R/W benchmark (5 min).
Benchmark will generate a file on card's root directory. Upload it and put a link here.


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Benji Tshi on December 01, 2014, 04:02:02 PM
Verified it myself, as i can write and read from it at 120/130 MB/s.

I ran the benchmark you mentionned, but i don't know what's the log and how to upload it. Is it bench0.ppm ?
While it was running, it was giving me 117/118 MB/s write and 155 MB/s read.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: walter_schulz on December 01, 2014, 04:31:37 PM
What happens when recording 1080p@24/25?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Benji Tshi on December 01, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
24 FPS works fine indeed...I even tried a Sandisk Extreme Pro UDMA7 (1066X too) but the same error happens

EDIT : It's now working. I disabled raw_rec and all the other modules, rebooted, enabled them again (only mlv_rec and raw_rec for now) and it works. Probably some minor bug.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 01, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
I'm wondering why you enabled MLV_REC.mo and RAW_REC.mo together.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Benji Tshi on December 01, 2014, 06:06:10 PM
Because i saw on some crappy guide that i was supposed to enable all of them in order to record RAW, didn't see mlv was like a v2 so i don't need raw_rec anymore. During my first tests, i only enabled raw_rec though, and it wasn't working.

/ML newbie :D
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dude on December 05, 2014, 05:51:36 PM
Hi guys,
i am using 123 with the latest(...) built,
sometimes there are some green dots around highlights, i don t have any clue what causes them..
sometimes they appear, sometimes not.
i am using the computerbay 64 gig and mlv converter 1.9.2, in ml raw viewer there are no dots, so this limits the problem to mlv converter, right?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on December 11, 2014, 10:50:24 PM
@a1ex
I really need your help.

I am shooting a full movie and I get white dots in the image. Always in the same position.
In others DNG this dots are grey or are not recognising.

ML 1.2.3 - 5d mark III

This are not a couple, it´s a lot and I can´t find a tool for remove under OS X. I google it and explain about pink or blue but not white.

I talk with Baldand an he doesn´t know from MLV Viewer.

What do you suggest me to fix it  or reduce it?

The year before I did a full movie without this dots, using the same camera, cards but other firmware.

Please, this is important, I have a lot of people implicated in the project. It´s my responsibility of course.

If you need other shots or DNG with other ISO just tell me.

I put two frames in dropbox for check

Thanks

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6g227xenuq9bge2/AABWQG5jP5othFCPj_RcB4uia?dl=0

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dmilligan on December 11, 2014, 11:41:18 PM
hot pixels
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 11, 2014, 11:53:51 PM
In 1080p video mode with binning?  :o
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on December 12, 2014, 01:03:04 AM
Any help?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dubzeebass on December 12, 2014, 01:48:30 AM
Enable chroma smoothing in your demuxing program or use a different one.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: baldavenger on December 12, 2014, 02:51:46 AM
Looks like hot pixels to me too.

Do you use davinci?  The dodgy pixels seem fixed in position (sensor issue), so add a layer mixer node, isolate the offending pixels in the lower node (you can then save the node's matte as a template for all other clips), then in the Sizing panel choose node sizing and use pan or tilt to move the pixels out of sight.

The same can be done in After Effects.  Your project isn't doomed :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on December 12, 2014, 03:19:09 AM
@baldavenger

Yes, Davinci Resolve Lite.

Do you have a link or video in youtube as references?

I hope I can reduce the problem. I have to present in three month the movie in Argentina.


PS: I was trying but i can´t select only that pixels. I need a tutorial or something.

I started to do slowly, every pixel, the process to create a layer to replace the dots with a shape with blur. This is crazy.

I don´t know if this problem was my sensor, or firmware, or temperature. I hope someone can explain me how to prevent this. Important to other users too.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on December 12, 2014, 12:06:27 PM
 Acr should take care of hot pixels. Export to pro res in AE.
Or maybe this.



Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dmilligan on December 12, 2014, 12:59:15 PM
I don´t know if this problem was my sensor, or firmware, or temperature. I hope someone can explain me how to prevent this. Important to other users too.

Hot pixels are just inherent to CMOS sensors, there's nothing really wrong, all CMOS cameras are going to have hot pixels like this. They get worse with increasing ISO and exposure time (and probably sensor temperature and other stuff like that).

It's just that normally you don't see them because at some point they have already automatically been corrected (either by processing hardware on the camera, or your raw development software). The free version of Resolve doesn't correct hot pixels, but most other raw processing software does (including the pro version of Resolve AFAIK). ACR automatically fixes hot pixels as Danne says, as does Premiere and SpeedGrade, however, in Premiere/Sg you may still see them in playback but they will be gone in the final render (I suppose it automatically disables the correction to speed up playback and it's only applied when rendering)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on December 13, 2014, 01:26:38 AM
Thanks everybody.

So, for reduce hot pixels, a short list could be:

- Try to use ISO between 100 to... 800?
- Turn off the camera to cold down and try to work to 40 Degrees Celsius?
- Don't use FPS overwriting ?
- In case you get: try with ACR, Premiere or manually (like me) with DaVinci Resolve creating a mask with blur over the pixels.
- ...

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dubzeebass on December 13, 2014, 03:49:57 AM
Also take off the lens and put on the body cap. Then run the sensor cleaning for a couple minutes. Sometimes that disables the pixel.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Cdimitrius on December 16, 2014, 10:29:00 PM
Hi guys,
I just installed the latest Nightly Build for my 5d3 after updating the camera firmware but I cant load the modules like I used to do on 113 canon firmware. Can you guys help me with this?
Most of the video features are not here on this build as it used to be before when I was using the 113 firmware.
please send me any hint.
Best
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 16, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
DELETE
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: shorber on December 16, 2014, 10:51:19 PM
Hi

I have extreme noise in the black of my RAW footage. I have a 5D Mark III with latest firmware. the original canon firmware do a better job. Some ideas what i do wrong?

cheers and thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 16, 2014, 10:54:38 PM
Please provide unedited and edited sample frames and information about your workflow.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johnwangphoto on December 23, 2014, 11:58:21 PM
I have two questions and hope someone more experienced on this forum can help me out.

1. I can't get the auto ISO working on any of the exposure modes on the camera when I shoot MLV. On original 5d Mark III video mode the auto ISO works. Does this function work on ML?

2. Is there a way to save the MLV video shoot setting so I can recall the setting just like the custom modes on the original 5D Mark III?

Thanks a lot and have a wonderful holiday!

John
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dmilligan on December 24, 2014, 02:40:17 AM
2. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8499.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DjJuvan on January 02, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
5DMK3 raw (latest ML update) on 1.1.3 firmware has one biggest bug I've ever noticed....

(http://shrani.si/t/i/PK/r2fp4R2/m01-1719000166.jpg) (http://shrani.si/?i/PK/r2fp4R2/m01-1719000166.jpg)

But it wasn't on all shot's with direct sunlight. Some came out fine. I suppose it's not the problem in direct light, because I already reported bug on twitter with no response;

(http://shrani.si/t/22/QV/pDM4NUU/strange-artifacts-5dmk3-.jpg) (http://shrani.si/?22/QV/pDM4NUU/strange-artifacts-5dmk3-.jpg)

Can anyone explain this annoying bug? And how to fix this in post? How to avoid in future?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DjJuvan on January 02, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
Solved the problem.... the Magic Lantern Raw Converter had some settings ON that fucked the pixels. So I turned Chorma smoothing and ACR Profile off and it works now.ttttttt
Title: Getting vertical band lines on latest build in RAW
Post by: papalaz on January 07, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
I have been doing some tests on raw video and I noticed there were vertical band lines. Is there a fix for this or a suggested build to use that doesn't give this issue. I have a shoot over the weekend and wanted to shoot raw instead h.264, especially seeing how well magic lantern works on this camera.

I have dng files if someone wants to take a look. Thanks in advance.

Current work flow is,  RAW to DNG via RAW magic lite and then into photoshop to tiff.  The issue is noticeable in DNG file.

Justin.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on January 07, 2015, 09:10:56 PM
Try this app or automator workflow for mac. It converts regular raw or dual iso files if you work with those. Also mlv files if needed. It applies vertical banding fix implemented from a1ex using raw2dng binary.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=13512.0



Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: papalaz on January 07, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
I will try that, although I did just notice that raw magic introduced a new version which has a check box to remove banding. Currently exporting and may fix the issue.  I will also down this as I want to use dual iso images.  So thanks for this :-)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on January 07, 2015, 10:18:04 PM
Rawmagic is not supported here
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg132587#msg132587

You could work also with mlrawviewer and mlvfs. Two very competent converters/workflow.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevethornton on January 08, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
DjJuvan, what converter did you use and what settings did you use? I have the same issues in grossly over exposed areas when I shoot at night and have a strong light in the scene. Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: MistressBand on January 16, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Hey stevethornton,
I had the same problem too.  I use MLV Converter
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10198.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10198.0)
Just do what DjJuvan said, turn off those options, and the green pixels go away.  It took me a while to stumble onto that solution myself.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DJG on January 24, 2015, 09:34:02 PM
Hey Guys,

I haven't switched my build since August 21, 2013. The one I had seemed to work great with the exception of the heavy noise if the blacks are lifted. Has that been sorted out? Are there any new advantages to the later builds on the old firmware, and the new firmware?

I have 60fps and dual iso on the old build I'm currently using.

If anyone can update me in a nutshell, would greatly appreciate it :)
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on January 24, 2015, 11:41:53 PM
Wow that's awhile... Assuming you are still on 1.1.3?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DJG on January 25, 2015, 01:03:15 AM
Yes I am, haha. Any major upgrades I might've missed?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on January 25, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
Let's see. 2013_08_21 ... looks like build number 1 has a time stamp 2013_08_22.
Newest build for 5D has number 341. Yes, there might be some issues solved.

A look into modules
Old:
Arkanoid
Autoexpo
Ettr
File_man
Pic_view
Raw_rec

New:
Arkanoid
Autoexpo
deflick
dot_tune
dual_iso
ettr
file_man
mlv_play
mlv_rec
mlv_snd
pic_view
raw_rec
silent_mo

Looks like you missed MLV recording, a new method for flicker free time-lapses and Silent Pictures. And AFMA (dot_tune)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DJG on January 25, 2015, 01:50:04 AM
Thanks for your response :) I see. I do have dual ISO, but it was when it just came out. Has the picture quality improved any? Or any fixes for being able to record in specific picture modes instead of everything coming out in standard? From your experience.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on January 25, 2015, 02:46:48 AM
Recording times have slightly increased for both RAW/MLV and to be able to use FRSP in silent_mo (especially Timelapse) is just godsend!

This is speaking directly from 1.1.3 latest nightly...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jtvision on February 04, 2015, 05:15:11 PM
Is FRSP on nightly builds for 1.1.3.? Or did you compile yourself?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 07:53:24 PM
@jtvision - Not yet. Had to compile it myself. It's quite simple actually.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: winmediacenter on February 06, 2015, 12:40:44 AM
could somebody tell me why in the 3x Crop Mode the actual active sensor area is not in the center? and it's inpossible to move it around into the center of the sensor.
when i'm using fisheye lens it looks qiute strange.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jdxxx on February 06, 2015, 02:07:18 PM
hello magicians,
i am getting a frame rate of 24.01 on 5dmark iii 1920*1080p(pal mode).FPS override to 24. camera running on 113 built. Is this normal or should i be worried.I am using komputerbay 64gb 1000x cards.
Also i tried running full 64gb on single take (12minutes) and that file is not converting in raw magic or  reading in MIRawViewer. Is this an issue? small takes of 3-4 minutes(only tested) works fine.

I tried connecting my zacuto evf and it works fine.It is showing 1080 60i in my zacuto instead of 108024p.

any one encountered these issues.
Spill the magic fellow members.
thanks in advance
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jtvision on February 06, 2015, 02:16:19 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5732.0
This should help with converting to DNGs.

You don't need to use FPS overide if it's from 25 to 24. You better convert it in post.
I think it was set as optimize for low light.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: franckino on February 09, 2015, 05:28:50 PM
Hi all, does anyone know which CF Card I need to shoot in 4K Raw with the 5DMIII ? I bought a CF Card 1000x 160Mo, but it doesn't work. I thank you
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 09, 2015, 05:37:30 PM
You need a card with date rate
Vertical resolution * horizontal resolution * frame rate * 14 / 8 Byte/s
Or in numbers
4096 * 2160 * 24 * 14 / 8 = 371589120 Byte/s -> 354.4 MByte/s
And another camera because 5D3 would not do it.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: franckino on February 09, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
Sure ? I read it was possible with 5D3, with some test in web magazine.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 09, 2015, 05:48:42 PM
If you find a link to this piece of information feel free to share it here.
I suppose there is some mixup between FRSP (Full resolution silent pic) and 4k video.
You can do the math by yourself. ML RAW is just uncompressed data stream from the sensor. And DCI 4k is defined as 4096 x 2160.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: franckino on February 09, 2015, 05:52:46 PM
http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1778/prise-de-vue-magic-lantern-canon-raw-versus-h264-presentation-caracteristiques-1.html

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9041.25
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 09, 2015, 06:01:04 PM
You may use HD output in 12 fps and blow it up to 4k@24 and be proud to achieve this with a 50D. You can do so. Or else.
But if you ask how to record 4k (true DCI 4k@24) with 5D3 the answer is "No, we don't break the laws of physics and their implementation in hardware here!".
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: franckino on February 09, 2015, 06:07:11 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: clapalm on February 09, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
Not sure if this is the correct forum for this questions or not, but here it is -
Just received my 5D Mark III back from Canon for an HDMI port repair and discovered that they updated my firmware to 1.3.3!  For the past year I have been shooting RAW with the ML hack exclusively with this camera.  Am I screwed?  Is there any way to install an older firmware once the newer one has been installed?   Does not appear that a ML build for 1.3.3 is happening any time soon.  Please help. Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 09, 2015, 09:04:18 PM
Please do NOT double post @clapalm -- This is a nice community here and questions will be answered promptly when timing persist.

Your original Post will be answered in here... (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11017.msg139835#msg139835Your original Post will be answered in here...)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: andikamera on February 12, 2015, 10:22:03 AM
I´m using the lastest nightly build (Date: 2014-07-30 13:06:20 +0200) for the 5D MK III Firmware 1.2.3
On both modules (raw rec 1.0 and mlv 2.0) there is no chance to record raw video in correct aspect ratio,
you always have to stretch in post, right?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Kharak on February 12, 2015, 12:01:39 PM
No. Stretching is for slow-mo footage.

You can record any aspect ratio you like, depending on how wild you go with the aspect ratio you will have to decrease Vertical resolution
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 12, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
or try @Danne's app 'cr2hdr-r' (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=13512.0'Cr2hdr-r') which supposedly fixes aspect ratio's automatically for slo-mo's.

This only works on a Mac.

good luck!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: bluewater on February 19, 2015, 01:04:37 PM
Hi, guys
I'm using ML for firmware 1.2.3 version.
As I see ML for 1.2.3 has no update since last August.
Maybe I can find some nightly build for 1.1.3.

•magiclantern-Nightly.2014Aug07.5D3123.zip
•Built on: 2014-08-07 07:01:30 +0900


1.
Is there any story about the reason for no updates for 1.2.3?
Development of 1.2.3 ML stopped?



2.
When coming to the download page of ML of 1.1.3 I found some ironic words.

You cannot use this package for first install.
To install ML, please upgrade to firmware 1.2.3.


What does that mean?
For ML of 1.1.3 with Firmware 1.2.3 ??

I tried to install 1.1.3 ML with ML5D3113.FIR but it doesn't work.
(Body firmware is 1.2.3.)

I'm using RAW video for now with ML.
I want to know whether there is any change for 1.1.3 nightly version(2015) with the last version of 1.2.3(2014.8) such as higher resolution or frame rate by faster recording speed.

Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 19, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
As previously stated by most of us users whom have tried both 113 and 123...

113 nightlies is the way to go for longer recording times in RAW/MLV's...

Downgrade from 123 to 113 is rather simple if followed directions correctly within from Download page.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Levinson on April 03, 2015, 02:44:23 AM
edited by poster
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: HD Cam Team on April 27, 2015, 11:17:08 PM
As previously stated by most of us users whom have tried both 113 and 123...

113 nightlies is the way to go for longer recording times in RAW/MLV's...

Downgrade from 123 to 113 is rather simple if followed directions correctly within from Download page.

Hi,

I spent lot of time surfing the forum (and honestly the white background kills my poor vision) but couldn't find clear answers, so maybe you could help me a bit (which I'd REALLY APPRECIATE), sorry for my questions:

To summarize:

1- What is/are the exact problem(s) when using ML for RAW video on 5D3 with 1.2.3?

2- According to the home page download link, this is the latest build for 5D3 1.2.3:

magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar29.5D3123.zip
Built on: 2015-03-29 12:10:34 -0300

I was going to install it since my 5D3 runs firmware 1.2.3 but on other thread I read that you CANNOT disable the AutoBoot flag once it's enabled on the 5D3.

Q 2.1: Was it fixed?

Q 2.2: If you cannot disable autoboot: How can we get ML completely uninstalled?

Q 2.3: If you cannot disable autoboot: will it slow down the camera or make it be a potential problem in some situations? (especially thinking if I later sell the camera to a friend)

3- Could you please let me know the current RAW video file format(s) convertion methods for later editing? Long ago there was a tool only running in Linux

4- For large files like in RAW I need to format my card in ExFat, right? How can it be done safely? And can Win XP recognize the card later via USB card reader?

5- Long ago there was a "final" release for Canon T3i/600D, 5D2 and many other models. That never came for 5D3, is that right? (I wish there was)

Sorry once again for many questions and thank you very much in advance!!

Pablo
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 27, 2015, 11:29:22 PM
1: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14704.msg142089#msg142089
2.1: Fixed about 13 months ago.
3: Access post-processing forum
4. No, you don't need ExFAT but it is recommended. How? Just do it. ExFAT was introduced with XP SP2 (August 2005). And you should really, really think about upgrading.
5. No, you don't wish to use old "stable". No RAW video support at all. Among other things.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: HD Cam Team on April 27, 2015, 11:35:54 PM
1: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14704.msg142089#msg142089
2.1: Fixed about 13 months ago.
3: Access post-processing forum
4. No, you don't need ExFAT but it is recommended. How? Just do it. ExFAT was introduced with XP SP2 (August 2005). And you should really, really think about upgrading.
5. No, you don't wish to use old "stable". No RAW video support at all. Among other things.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

This thread (and others) is so long that I couldn't find clear answers, as I mentioned earlier.

Your reply is really appreciated!  :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: alexidoia on May 16, 2015, 05:09:32 PM
Hello,

I am going to be the second pita to ask dummies questions, but the fact that the sticky post on the raw guide is not up-to-date (the first thread), a lot of things confuses me.

I have a canon 5Dmk3 initialy 1.2.3
I install ML and had no problem to record mlv execpt that my card would not record more than 1 minutes (exfat and MLoption Checked) and the video zoom x5 was all pixel grey, unusable.
I read that downgrading to 1.1.3 could fix some problems and be faster and that is was that was suggested right now. So, I downgraded to 1.1.3  and install ML again.

Now I can't record mvl files without skipping frames althought the Wspeed is around 90MB/s and my card is 160MB/s (x1066).
The zoom is still not working
The play back of the footage is quite slow (but I did not expected it to be better)


I'd like to be sure on a few points :
- 1.1.3 is still to be prefered to 1.2.3
- the question of the bootflag is not a question anymore since you can remove it if you want.
- do I have a bootable card ? I read to use EOSdisk, but that is no more a concern right ? (it is still on the first thread of the sticky post "Raw recording guide for beginners"

Thanks a lot for your time.

Alex



Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on May 16, 2015, 05:31:21 PM
A non-bootable card will not allow the cam to load and run ML.

Use Debug -> Benchmarks -> Card R/W benchmark (5 min) to determine write performance. Press Play button after starting benchmark run. After completion there will be a file BENCH0.PPM on your card. You may convert it to JPEG, upload it somewhere (picload.org or else) and link it here.
And you have to tell which settings you used. Resolution and frame rate.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: drills on May 28, 2015, 05:57:23 PM
Hello everyone
I'm sure what I have to ask it's already somewhere on this forum but i can't find it so...
I used MLV last summer for a couple of videos and everything worked well.
Today I tried to install the new last version of ML (I have the 5D mark III with 1.2.3), and I did a couple of test recording and this is what I would like to know?

1 - I tried to record with MLV but I can't convert the videos with "raw2dng" or "rawmagic". Can you please tell me why both softwares are saying me "files not supported"? And if there is any other good software I can use?

2 - If i record in RAW instead MLV those softwares can convert the files (without camera audio tho, which I need), but when I put the converted files in Premiere Pro, the videos are completely purple(http://[img][img][img])[/img][/img][/img].

3 - If I look at the .dng preview files after conversion, the images looks darker than the mark3 lcd preview while recording, like 2-3 stops darker. How can I solve this?

Thank you so so much in advice.

David
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on May 28, 2015, 06:04:01 PM
1.) RAWmagic is not supported here but banned. And this is why: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=13335.0
It is not that easy to say why raw2dng is not doing its job without having your MLV file which is making problems. If you can reproduce error you might generate a short MLV file and upload it somewhere (and link it here) so we can access it. Which raw2dng version are you using?
And there are some tools around http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=54
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 27, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Hi guys,

i do keep getting odd pictures in my mlv-videos with my 5D3 v1.1.3 and don't know what to do against. Sometimes they look like this:
(http://s29.postimg.org/c8ggp13pf/Screen_Shot_2015_06_27_at_16_25_45.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/c8ggp13pf/)

and sometimes they look like this:
(http://s17.postimg.org/5hj16ir5n/Screen_Shot_2015_06_27_at_16_30_25.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5hj16ir5n/)

and this is how it should look like:
(http://s11.postimg.org/662wg767j/Screen_Shot_2015_06_27_at_16_31_00.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/662wg767j/)

I do get about 3 or 4 of these frames per minute. That makes using raw video practically impossible.

I already tried the following things without success:

I never had issues like that with the 5D2.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 27, 2015, 05:24:39 PM
Video also stops quite often cause of skipped frames but the writing speed of the card is not the issue. The camera icon during recording is always green.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 27, 2015, 06:14:05 PM
So after trying a lot i just updated to the latest ML-build. It looks good. I need further testing but i think the issue is gone.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dubzeebass on June 28, 2015, 04:25:42 AM
If you turn on spanning and forget about it, it can cause issues like this if you don't include the .M00 etc files when decompressing.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 28, 2015, 05:11:22 AM
@dubzeebass:

That's actually true as I've experienced that myself as well in the past. I usually tried to avoid turning spanning on because exFAT is such a lifesaver and does a better job for the most part.

@pholler:

Did you format your cards into exFAT?

Also have you tried previewing original MLV files with MLRawViewer first before converting?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 28, 2015, 12:24:13 PM
@dubzeebass: i am not using spanning anymore.

@DeafEyeJedi:
No, the card is formated as FAT32. I cannot figure out a way to format it to exFAT and get ML running again using 1.1.3 as firmware version.
I also do get bad frames in MLRawViewer.

Yesterday i accomplished to make a 7 minute video without a single bad or skipped frame using the latest ML-build. Today using the exact same ML-settings and build the first video i tried stopped after about 30s cause of skipped frames. I don't know why. The card is certainly fast enough. The little camera logo is always green.

Than i switched the camera off and on again and tried with the very same settings and i did not get any skipped frames for 5 minutes but some bad frames again.

Does MLV-record work reliable for you guys with the latest builds? Am i the only one having these issues?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 28, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
I just found the cause of the bad frames!
When global draw is off, everything works fine --> no bad frames.
With global draw is on --> bad frames

I normally use focus peaking, zebras, level indicator and full raw histogram at once.
So i did some further testing and i could isolate focus peaking as the cause of the issue.

Can anyone confirm that by using focus peaking on a 5D3, using v1.1.3 and a build between April and June?
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 28, 2015, 07:42:01 PM
If you are on a Mac -- You can set your cards into exFAT with Disk Utility.. It's rather easy & should help significantly with the bad/skip frames issues you're having.

I'll also double check my 5D3 with your exact settings later today after work (cameras at home).

Although I admit that I never use the level indicator from ML. Perhaps try testing out again with GD on and don't use level indicator -- see if your issues go away?

Which exact nightly build are you using?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 28, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
Thanx for your reply DeafEyeJedi.

I already tried it several times. I format the CF on my mac to exFAT and then copy the ML-files to the card. Putting the card back into the 5D3 the ML menus are gone. Doing the firmware update function to install ML fails every time.

At the moment i am using a self-made build from yesterday. But i also tried several nightly builds from April to Mai 2015. All do have the same issue. I think it does not matter what build you use. Just try the latest nightly.

I tried several different options with GD on. Histograms, level indicator, zebras - they all do not lead to bad frames. It's focus peaking. Whenever i activate thist function i get bad frames. I tried different options in the focus peaking menu. It doesn't matter. I always get bad frames.

I am going to deactivate focus peaking now. It's too bad cause this is the most important feature for filming.

Btw. i used "Slightly sharper" in LV DIGIC peaking together with Focus Peaking.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 28, 2015, 08:12:55 PM
OK, i also got bad frames when focus peaking was disabled. So deactivating focus peaking just reduced the amount of bad frames.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 29, 2015, 05:06:19 AM
Whoa Wait a min... You aren't running ML from a SD card and recording onto CF?

You're actually running ML AND recording onto the same CF card - correct?

I almost never do this actually... It's definitely recommended to run ML from SD and record onto CF.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on June 29, 2015, 04:52:17 PM
Hi DeafEyeJedi,

thanx for the hint. I just managed to install ML on the SD and formated the CF to exFAT. Same result, bad frames :-(
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 29, 2015, 05:44:07 PM
Okay then You will need to benchmark the CF card to determine its read/write speeds and hopefully you don't have a dud copy.

Also what FPS are you shooting in? Which resolution? What do you have enabled in canon menu as well as ML menu? Are you sure you don't have crop-mode enabled?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 02, 2015, 06:38:15 PM
Here is a benchmark of my card i did some months ago:
(http://s24.postimg.org/j8g8rqclt/Benchmark_Lexar_1066x_5_D3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/j8g8rqclt/)

Well, i more and more think that this is a hardware issue. Is there anyone out there who can check if he gets pink frames using 5D3v1.1.3?

I borrowed a second 5D3 for testing. The stupid thing is that this has v1.2.3 on it and i cannot downgrade to v1.1.3 cause than all settings are gone. So i downloaded the latest ML-nightly for v1.2.3, which is from April. I used the same SD and CF-card as with my own 5D3 and i got simmilar results --> frameskipping once in a while and bad frames. So either the ML-nightly from April for v1.2.3 and all the nightlies from April till today for the v1.1.3 are bricked or my CF-card is bad.

I am going to check my card now...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 02, 2015, 07:30:44 PM
Well to check the CF-card i copied the same 20GB file to the card via my mac four times and checked the md5checksum. They all have the same checksum so writing and reading from the card is fine.

Code: [Select]
pete:@Bot~: cd /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100EOS5D
pete:@Bot/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100EOS5D: md5 M02-1826.MLV
MD5 (M02-1826.MLV) = c6847ad57c2099c24354b3183bb6a531
pete:@Bot/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100EOS5D: md5 M02-1826\ copy.MLV
MD5 (M02-1826 copy.MLV) = c6847ad57c2099c24354b3183bb6a531
pete:@Bot/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100EOS5D: md5 M02-1826\ copy2.MLV
MD5 (M02-1826 copy2.MLV) = c6847ad57c2099c24354b3183bb6a531
pete:@Bot/Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100EOS5D: md5 M02-1826\ copy3.MLV
MD5 (M02-1826 copy3.MLV) = c6847ad57c2099c24354b3183bb6a531

So it now looks like ML is writing bad frames to the card.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 03, 2015, 06:04:29 AM
Here are the MLV-settings i used on the 2015-07-02-nightly:
(http://s16.postimg.org/l7rqycqkx/VRAM0.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l7rqycqkx/)
(http://s1.postimg.org/6cuhu4k0r/VRAM1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6cuhu4k0r/)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 04, 2015, 07:25:43 AM
@DeafEyeJedi
Can you try to dial in my MLV-settings provided in the last post into your 5D3 unsing the latest nightly and see if you get bad frames?

I am kind of stuck here. I already put so many hours in resolving the bad frame issue and to me it looks like MLV is not working properly on the 5D3 at the moment. I never had issues like that on the 5D2.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on July 04, 2015, 07:38:33 AM
Frameskipping allow  Why?
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 04, 2015, 08:46:21 AM
@pholler:

Sure but your screenshots aren't showing anything?

I just shot for over 10 minutes of MLV with 113 latest nightly (7/2/15) and no skipped frames.

Used KB 128GB 1066x formatted in exFAT.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 04, 2015, 08:59:28 AM
@DeafEyeJedi:
The screenshots should show the whole MLV-setup.
Here is a link to my ML-Settings-folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cis7y9lpp88cy2q/AADG2PuhH2gtOoIdJjqKBmRha?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cis7y9lpp88cy2q/AADG2PuhH2gtOoIdJjqKBmRha?dl=0)

Which resolution did you choose?

@Markus:
Well mlv-recording stops quite often cause of skipped frames. I know it shouldn't cause the card is fast enough but it just does. I also tried different cards. Didn't help.
I tried ALL possible permutations of settings in the mlv-menu. This is one example. None ever worked.
And the stupid thing is i also do get bad frames on different 5D3-bodies. That's why i don't understand how anybody could get it working at all.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 04, 2015, 09:19:18 AM
Nevermind. Had to restart my MacMini to get Safari to run like normal again. Anyway I shot in full HD 1920x1080 in 24 fps (with Override on) which I noticed you didn't use...

In case you were curious here are one of my usual settings:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/263/19394187472_b681c0790f_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vxNhfC) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3777/18777862274_90c6ae1fcc_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uBksf7) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/325/19212802978_e6d20dc1c3_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vgLCXL)

I tend to have 'Frame Skippoing' OFF because I think it can cause problems sometimes especially if I set my cards into exFAT which does pretty well on its own for long takes.

Also I noticed you have Fix Black Level enabled -- not sure why you would want that ON for 5D3? I don't think you would need it...

And lastly it doesn't hurt to use 'Card Warm-Up' either...  ;)

p.s. I just tried again in your exact settings and ran it for over 6 minutes with no skipped frames. Are you sure you are recording onto your CF card and not SD?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 04, 2015, 12:41:32 PM
Thanx for your screenshot. I am going to test these settings in a minute. Especially with fps-override set.

Well i normally didn't use frame skipping. But i lost some videos cause i didn't recognize that the card stoped recording. Nevermind. I also tried with frame skipping off.
Same with black levels. I normally didn't use it but at the moment i tried all different settings to find what is causing the bad frames.

Yes i do save on the CF card. The SD is far too slow for 1920x1080.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 04, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
Even with your settings i do get bad frames :-(

Did you use zebrad, raw-histrogram and focus peaking? Can you send me your ML-settings-folder? Than i copy everything on my card and all the settings are the same and i try again.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 04, 2015, 06:35:51 PM
Hmmm, Strange and yes I used both Raw zebra & histogram but do not need focus peak as often.

Sure, here it is:

My 5D3.113_ML Nightly (7/2/15) copy (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0qjmtyvc10wjoku/AACKKajwNUDq0K5xWihjdcyTa?dl=0 5D3.113_ML copy)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on July 04, 2015, 07:54:27 PM
@pholler
I'm in pal land but haven't had any problems with bad frames on my KB 256gb 1200x & 1066x cards. However have had problems with 128gb 1050x KB cards that was struggling to keep up with full hd writing speeds att 25fps.
Your card seems to be fast enough but do you have another fast card to test?
What does your bad frames look like?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 05, 2015, 06:55:13 AM
First, let me thank you guys for your support! I appreciate your effort!

@Markus:
My bad frames look like this: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5473.msg150360#msg150360
For testing i borrowed a Lexar 800x. Couldn't get any faster card. With this card i have to lower the resolution drastically. I tried to record four times for about five minutes and two out of them had frame skipping even though the writing speed wasn't the issue. I never had bad frames in this four tests. In my analysis i cluster the bad frame issue and frame skipping together. If any of these do happen it's bad.

@DeafEyeJedi:
Thanx for the settings. Are you sure the file is still online? I do get the following error "The folder you are trying to access does not exist"

I am trying one last thing:
The setting-files from DeafEyeJedi. If i still get bad frames it must be a hardware issue. First i send back my Lexar and try again with a new copy. If i then still get bad frames i have to send my 5D3 to repair.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 05, 2015, 08:00:56 AM
Weird, I just clicked on it myself and took me to the folder I created for you.

*EDIT*

I just changed the link above from Mega to Dropbox -- let me know if that works for you.

In other words... Did you check to see if any spanning files were written on your SD card (Ive probably ran into similar situation where I learned that sometimes it would place spanning files onto the SD card) either by random or from forgetting to disable spanning files within ML settings.

Though unlike yours, my situation was more of black frames showing up during playback like as if it were missing frames, which I later figured out that it can be fixed by putting back together with spanning files within MLV file in the same directory and it all looks fine and dandy -- jm2c!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 05, 2015, 11:58:46 AM
It WORKED with your settings!!! No bad frames for 6 minutes. Well now i have to find out which setting it is...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Licaon_Kter on July 05, 2015, 12:25:32 PM

It WORKED with your settings!!! No bad frames for 6 minutes. Well now i have to find out which setting it is...
Those SETTINGS are text files, just diff them.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 05, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
OK, starting from your settings and activating focus peaking i do get the same bad frames again :-(

Btw. it is interesting that zebras are active cause in you settings you selected "only in Photo mode". But it still works during recording.
And you always have the "NOT RECORDING" sign in red and the strikethrough rectangle even though it is recording. Strange.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 05, 2015, 03:58:50 PM
Well i also tried you config and activating RGB-Zebras and Full Histogram and without peaking i do get bad frames about every three minutes. It's not a focus peaking issue. Propably it always happens when cpu-load is getting high.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 05, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
If the NOT RECORDING overlay sign stays on while recording then that's gotta be a bug. I notice that myself a few occasions as well and usually a reboot will fix it.

You mean you tried my configs with your ML copy or with my copy?

Maybe just either reset ML settings to default or erase ML contents on your card then copy latest nightly build and retry again with try enabling one module or settings at a time within ML in order to determine the so called "bug" you may be encountering?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 05, 2015, 07:48:40 PM
Those SETTINGS are text files, just diff them.
What exactly do you mean by this?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 05, 2015, 08:16:06 PM
Any tool able to compare 2 files will give you all difference.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Licaon_Kter on July 05, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Using *nix ( Linux, Mac ) that's: lmgtfy.com/?q=diff (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/lmgtfy.com/?q=diff)


Or GUI tools like meld, Kdiff3, Winmerge, Totalcommander has a compare function, etc
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on July 06, 2015, 05:09:57 AM
How about your canon settings?
Manual mode?
Photo settings to maximise buffer. Sjpg or raw only setting?
Auto wb off?
Nr reduction off?
Highlight priority off?
Maybe there are some more I can't remember right now that are important to set right.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 06, 2015, 05:37:46 AM
@Markus:

Asking me or @pholler?


Any tool able to compare 2 files will give you all difference.

Gotcha makes sense thanks!


Using *nix ( Linux, Mac ) that's: lmgtfy.com/?q=diff (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/lmgtfy.com/?q=diff)


Or GUI tools like meld, Kdiff3, Winmerge, Totalcommander has a compare function, etc



Thanks and will definitely look into it.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 06, 2015, 04:56:43 PM
@DeafEyeJedi:
I copied all your files including settings, the FIR-File and all the modules to my SD-card. I noticed that you deactivated mlv-recording so i activated the following modules: mlv_rev, mlv_snd and mlv_play.
I then started recording and it looked good. I made a 6 minute test-video.

After that i activated focus peaking --> bad frames

In one other test i restored ML-defaults but after activating all necessary modules (mlv, full-raw-histo, raw-zebras, level) i got bad frames again :-(

@Markus:
Here are my Canon settings:
M-Mode, 1/50s, WB shade, normally sJPEG S3 (but also tried RAW; didn't make a difference), all NR-settings off, Hightlight-Prio off, Adobe RGB, no HDR-mode, Expo simulation on in LV-settings, some custom controls
I tried different lenses and different CF-cards. Even with a different 5D3 on firmware 1.2.3 (couldn't downgrade it to 1.1.3).
For me right now i have no clue how anybody could get good video from 5D3-ML. With my good old 5D2 i never had issues like that.

My best guess is that it's cpu-overload that leads to these issues cause the amount of bad frames seems to correlate with the amount of cpu-intensive modules i use (histo, peaking, zebras).
Can anyone try exactly my settings by copying the settings-folder provided in this post on a 5D3 with 1.1.3: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5473.msg150697#msg150697
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 06, 2015, 06:08:55 PM
@Pholler:

Okay I find that odd that you found my settings within the modules being deactivated when I just shot MLV recordings right before copying/uploading my settings for you online.

Anyway, I'll download your settings folder and paste it into my SD card to test with my 5D3 and report back ASAP.

*Edit*

Here's my first take at your settings without Focus Peak:



Here's the 2nd take with Focus Peak:



In case you were curious, here are my settings within Canon menu for comparisons:


Let me know if you need anymore help... I'm just as eager to get your 5D3 back on track with no problems -- otherwise I would be just as furious!!!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 06, 2015, 07:07:13 PM
Thanx a lot DeafEyeJedi! Did you look at the footage after recording with MLRawViewer? Does it contain bad frames?
If this works fine with your Cam than it is either a hardware failure or my Canon settings. I am going to check them with yours now...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 06, 2015, 07:11:42 PM
Will do that & report back after I take my cat to the vet.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 06, 2015, 07:18:11 PM
Hope your cat is getting better!

OK, i got skipped frames with your Canon-settings :-(
There must be a hardware issue...

I tried the mlv-option "Debug Trace". It might give ma a clue. Does anyone know where the log is being saved? I couldn't find it on the cards.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 07, 2015, 04:44:54 AM
Cat's doing swell. Thanks. What's your current shutter count on the 5D3?

Also ran MLRV with one of files that I recorded under your ML settings and noticed one strange corrupted frame but that was it out of the whole clip.

I looked at the time code and it was around the exact same moment when I was fiddling with the ML menu while recording MLV so that could be the reason?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 07, 2015, 06:10:53 PM
Hmm, so you also do get bad frames. Could you try it again without pressing buttons in the ML menu.

If you too get bad frames that rules out a hardware issue with my equipment.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: itsDPmikey on July 15, 2015, 11:15:30 PM
just saw my videos I took on a trip to Lake Tahoe. I was so pissed off to find so many pink glitchy frames.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 15, 2015, 11:17:12 PM
@itsDPmikey:

Damnnn... from which ML nightly build did you use?

@pholler:

Sorry been out and about with work and haven't had the time to play with 5D3 until now. Will get back to you asap!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hingane on July 16, 2015, 08:55:29 PM
Hello from Finland

I have been following this threat so i would like to get involved and help in anyway i can. I film commercial videos so at the moment i have to film at least 3 times the same scene just to be sure that i have a good clip :D

I have had this issue for about 6 months now, so couple weeks ago i updated to Nightly.2015Jun09.5D3113 and still i have corrupted frames.

1. First i used Komputerbay 64GB x1000 (corrupted frames in every 6 clip)
2. Then i formatted the card and used exFat (corrupted frames in every 6 clip)
3. I bought SanDisk Extreme Pro 64GB 160MB/s and formatted it to exFat, still corrupted frames in every 6 clip

I use focus peaks, so next time i film ill turn them off and see if i still get corrupted frames if that doesnt help ill try lower resolution.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on July 16, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
@hingane:
1000x are not recommended for reliable results recording full hd mlv. Offcurse it's not certain that this is the issue but you should try 1066x cards and see if the problem persists.
Your sandisk is also a 1000x card even though they brag about 160mb/sek speeds.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 16, 2015, 11:02:24 PM
As stated previously -- 1066x seems to be the 'sweet spot' for 5D3's...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: acewinch on July 17, 2015, 04:28:58 PM
On the latest nightly build for 1.23 on my Mark III, my camera will periodically turn off live view while recording which stops recording and re-opens live view. This happens almost every 5 minutes and is not specific to any buttons being pressed. Ive reset ML to the original settings, uninstalled and reinstalled and it still happens.

Anyone know what this could be?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on July 17, 2015, 06:03:40 PM
Check power save settings in canon menu.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: itsDPmikey on July 18, 2015, 05:31:39 AM
@itsDPmikey:

Damnnn... from which ML nightly build did you use?

@pholler:

Sorry been out and about with work and haven't had the time to play with 5D3 until now. Will get back to you asap!


latest 1.1.3 July 1st
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 18, 2015, 05:51:28 AM

latest 1.1.3 July 1st

and which cards did you use? Did you have GD on with Focus Peak or anything else in that matter while recording?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hingane on July 18, 2015, 09:24:12 PM
@hingane:
1000x are not recommended for reliable results recording full hd mlv. Offcurse it's not certain that this is the issue but you should try 1066x cards and see if the problem persists.
Your sandisk is also a 1000x card even though they brag about 160mb/sek speeds.

As stated previously -- 1066x seems to be the 'sweet spot' for 5D3's...

Thanks guys, didnt notice that!!

I bought komputerbay 64GB 1066x (on friday) so hopefully ill get them next week. I'll try lower resolution (1856x1044 -> and lower if needed) just to be sure. I'll post my results, maybe they will help somebody.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hingane on July 26, 2015, 05:44:49 PM
Hello

Now i have tried 1066x and here is my conclusion

Nightly.2015Jun09.5D3113
25fps (davinci resolver says 24fps, dunno why...)

Komputerbay 64GB 1000x - exFat
1. resolution 1920x1080 - focuspeaking ON -> bad frames
2. resolution 1856x1044 - focuspeaking ON -> bad frames (2/33)

SanDisk Extreme Pro 64GB 160MB/s - exFat
1. resolution 1920x1080 - focuspeaking ON -> bad frames
3. resolution 1856x1044 - focuspeaking ON -> bad frames (6/24)

Komputerbay 64GB 1066x - exFat
1. resolution 1920x1080 - focuspeaking ON -> bad frames
2. resolution 1856x1044 - focuspeaking ON -> OK
3. resolution 1920x1080 - focuspeaking OFF -> OK

Next ill try Nightly.2015Jul02.5D3113 and extra monitor that has focus peaking


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 28, 2015, 08:59:56 AM
Hey guys!

I documented 40 variations in which i tried nearly everything possible (different ML-builds, different 5D3-firmwares, differenct CF-cards, different 5D3-cameras, lot's of different ML- and Canon-settings). I came to a conclusion. On the 5D3 you always do get bad frames or frameskipping once in a while. Not so on the 5D2 - this model is free of that issue. The amount of bad frames can be influenced by the amount of hardware-intensive modules you use (focus peaking, zebras, histo).

The best solution for me is to use DIGIC-peaking and fast-zebras instead of focus-peaking, zebras and histogram. With these settings i do only get few bad frames (about 1 bad frame per 5 minutes).

It would be very cool if one of the devs could have a look at that. I do not think it's possible to get rid of these bad frames without coding.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on July 28, 2015, 09:23:13 AM
And what do you get when you turn all of the extra settings of?
Do you get bad frames with RAW format as well?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 28, 2015, 09:29:36 AM
When deactivating all modules except MLV and Global Draw on, without peaking, without zebras, without histo i do get frameskipping.

I never tried RAW, just MLV.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on July 28, 2015, 09:53:36 AM
I meant global draw off.
You should try RAW as well.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 30, 2015, 05:39:41 PM
Hi Danne,

you are right! I just tried RAW (not MLV) with ALL hardware-intensive modules on (focus peaking, full-histo, full-zebras) and i did not get any bad frames within 5 minutes. That's awesome!!!

I personally don't care if i record RAW or MLV and i do not see any drawbacks of using RAW. Not having all the metadata in the DNGs doesn't matter for video.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on July 30, 2015, 05:46:05 PM
Cool. This means there is yet another strong reason keeping the raw format. If you turn of global draw, do you still get bad frames with mlv format?
If you, re on mac you could use cr2hdr-r which will add back correct metadata information for raw files. Also fast on dual iso conversion.
cr2hdr-r
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=13512.0
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 30, 2015, 06:41:27 PM
Once again, Thanks to @a1ex, for keeping RAW and more importantly 113 for 5D3.  8)

Good work @pholler for confirming this and @Danne's cr2hdr-r app is a must have for everyone running Mac's.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 31, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
RAW doesn't support audio, right? Or is there a trick to get it working?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Licaon_Kter on July 31, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Enable mlv_snd module, restart, turn MLV Sound ON.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on July 31, 2015, 02:27:22 PM
Sound only works with MLV format, not RAW.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: pholler on July 31, 2015, 05:51:07 PM
OK, that's a big drawback :-(

The best solution would be to fix the mlv-bad-frame-issue. But i do not have a clue how to do that.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Sergey Pylypenko on December 23, 2015, 03:38:55 AM
I use MLV with sound (v113) or without for more then 2 years now and have continues filming at up to 2560x1072 (2.39;1) 24.00 fps without ever one bad frame.  When sound is on — there are two or three black frames at the end. Without sound it's all clear and neat. Thanks to all who're developing this 'magic' for us. Quality of raw video is striking!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on December 23, 2015, 05:22:57 AM
@Sergey Pylypenko

I read "continues filming at up to 2560x1072", that means, cointinous recording? Tell me if I am wrong. I can't get this resolution...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on January 03, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
I am another one to report pink glitchy DNGs - I mostly get them when shooting 50fps - I almost never get them with 25fps. I have standard setup, 5D3, 113, KB 128 GB 1066x - I have now reformatted them to exFat, they were formatted to Mac OS Journaled - I can already push 50fps with higher framerate.

Unrelated to this I have one other problem - when shooting 50fps, the framing window on my screen does not correspond with the selected resolution and ratio - the displayed frame is way more squarish than it should be. And I am not talking about squeezed footage that needs to be stretched in post. I have asked friends and they reported the same thing - any workarounds?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on January 03, 2016, 01:19:38 PM
Using RAW module gives me smuch longer running time.

50fps at 1792x606px

MLV: 22s
RAW 40s
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Licaon_Kter on January 03, 2016, 02:00:04 PM
Quality, usage easiness?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on January 08, 2016, 03:28:46 PM
Im interested in buying this camera, apart from being an amazing camera by itself my main reason is because of magic lantern, but i need a confirmation. Can the 5D mark III with magic lantern record/shoot/film at 1080p in raw format continuosly? I mean without stop like it happens with my canon 700D that can only  record 11 seconds videos. I need this confirmation, please if you respond by sending me a link to another thread or t a page of this thread, please also say yes or no. Thanks in advance I really appreciate your help.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Licaon_Kter on January 08, 2016, 07:01:07 PM
With a good card https://rbrune.github.io/mlraw/
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on January 09, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
5D3 with a decent SD card to run ML off and a KB 128GB CF card for recording onto works flawlessly when it comes to shooting 24p @ 1080p continuously until the card fills up (be sure to set CF into exFAT) otherwise.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jonathan.grevsen on January 09, 2016, 10:45:19 PM
1920x960 is what works best for me. Also around 15 seconds of 50fps override. 256GB 1200x Komputerbay
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on January 09, 2016, 11:11:03 PM
Can you get 30p @ 1080p in MLV RAW w your KB 256GB 1200x @jonathan.grevsen?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jonathan.grevsen on January 09, 2016, 11:40:29 PM
When I shoot 25fps in 1080 I get framedrops pretty easy, so 30fps I don't think will be good for continous shooting.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on January 10, 2016, 05:16:59 AM
Even at 25fps you get dropped frames in 1080p? In exFAT w card warm-up enabled?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on January 10, 2016, 07:30:53 AM
I would recommend KB 1066x card over 1200x (buy 256gb cards not 128gb, they are slower for some reason). I can fill up my cards @ 1080 25p with Hdmi out. However it's very important to set the canon settings right to make this work.
You need to maximise the cameras free buffer memory and watch out for settings that use too much processing power.

Photo settings should be raw or smallest jpg only! <-- One of the most important setting to get right.
No auto white balance!
Auto focus off on af lenses

ML settings
Card needs to be Xfat and larger than 4 gig files enabled.
Some card warmup is recommended. I also recommend rolling a few seconds if you have shut down the camera because there seems to be a bug that sometimes makes the first recording stop after just a few seconds.
Be careful with too many ml functions enabled. I do use global draw on but I turn peaking and zebra off. I guess you can get cont. rec with these on but if you don't need them it might increase your cont. Rec stability.
Hdmi out, if you don't need it is also something that can be turned off to increase stability. I always use a viewfinder so for me it's always on.
You can also try Raw instead of Mlv and GL draw off for recording.
Deleting clips on card in camera to reserve space while recording can lead to frame drops/stopped recording when you continue to use that card.

There might be more settings to tweek that I just don't remember right now  ::)


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jonathan.grevsen on January 10, 2016, 08:27:38 AM
@deafeyejedi Yes I do, but It wasn't like always, but happent after some time. Could be a setting.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jonathan.grevsen on January 10, 2016, 08:51:58 AM
@deafeyejedi I will test it again, since 1920x960 is what I prefer to shoot I never really got into finding out where the issue was with 1080
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on January 29, 2016, 10:05:46 AM
First of all I just wanted to thank ML for amazing software.

I've installed  Nightly Build 2015Dec20 5D3123

Using Sandisk Extreme pro 160MB/s 64GB card.

Frustingly I'm getting the pink frame/corrupted frame issue. But it's intermittent. Sometimes not at all in a 3 min MLV RAW video and sometimes twice in a 2 min video. As I have an ATOMOS Ninja, I'm torn between downgrading to 1.1.3 for the stability or using the clean HDMI out as a back up to corrupted frames.

Is it possible to get stable MLV RAW output on 1.23. or should I just accept I'm going to get corrupted frames?
Also the time remaining indicator doesn't work so I have to guess how much space is left on the card.

You help would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on January 29, 2016, 11:45:03 AM
Tried with global draw turned to off?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on January 29, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
I've set it to focus peaking only as I was hoping the card is fast enough to cope with this minimal setting. But I will test with GD off and report back. Are there any other settings worth trying before turning this off? Thank you.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on January 29, 2016, 05:26:26 PM
I've just run a test of 8mins MLV RAW 1920x1080p with sound and Global Draw turned off and I'm very pleased to report that there were no bad frames! Does this mean I need a faster card  (Like a CFast as opposed to the x1066 SanDisk I'm using) to get any extra features like focus peaking or is there anything else I can change like the card buffers? I'm really not sure what they do and can't seem to find any info on them in the forum.

Having a remaining record time or size of disc space left would also be very helpful - neither seems to work.

Thank you once again.

5DIII 1.2.3 Dec15 ML build
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on January 29, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
CFast not supported by Canon DSLRs. If you manage to insert one it will bend most pins in cam's CF-slot.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on January 29, 2016, 05:49:30 PM
That's great to know Walter- thanks.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on January 30, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
Does anyone know how to get the remaining record time or space left on the card whilst recording RAW on 5Diii build Dec15?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank7D on January 31, 2016, 07:38:07 AM
What works on the 7D is:

Turn camera off
Turn camera on
In Canon menu, go to format (but don't actually say ok to format) and you will see how much space is used.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on January 31, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
many thanks Frank7d
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: strikermed on February 02, 2016, 08:24:36 AM
Running the latest build of ML on 5d3 1.2.3.  Is anyone having issue with random Red Frames?  I get them on just about every clip.   Buidl: Nightly.2015Dec 20.5d3123

Is anyone else have thing issue?  Does anyone know how to fix this?  I use an Atomos Ninja Blade, so I need the uncompressed HDMI, so I can't go down to 1.3.3.

Any help would be great!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on February 02, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
I'm new to this too, but from testing I've discovered that enabling the HDMI mirroring does slow the write speed down so it could cause errors potentially. 

It would depend on your card speed and the frame size you've chosen to record. Turning off global draw and recording in RAW (not MLV RAW) without sound might help. If you've tried that and it still doesn't work someone more experienced would need to help. When you select RAW you should see in the menu at the bottom if ML thinks the card is fast enough. If the writing isn't in green your card or setting might need to change.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on February 09, 2016, 12:10:43 AM
Any more tips how to solve pink DNGs? Turning off global draw is not great as you lose a lot of important information. It makes me nervous that the good take might be ruined by it..

Also, with the latest ML nightly build, when shooting MLV, only few resolution options are available, only 1600x900 and then 1920x1080 - any reason why that is? I love tweaking the resolution and find the one that you can just keep running fine.

Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: itsDPmikey on February 22, 2016, 11:40:02 PM
When I first got my 5DM3 early last year.. or a little more than a year ago, I was using the 123 version and I would record 1920x1080 24fps all the time with no bad frames at all. When I started to update to newer versions of ml I started noticing bad frames, mostly when I changed to 113 version.

I wish I had never changed anything.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on February 23, 2016, 12:23:26 PM
When I first got my 5DM3 early last year.. or a little more than a year ago, I was using the 123 version and I would record 1920x1080 24fps all the time with no bad frames at all. When I started to update to newer versions of ml I started noticing bad frames, mostly when I changed to 113 version.

I wish I had never changed anything.

I have a build from August 2014 I've been using for years with no issues.. I've just gone back to it (testing right this minute) all being well I can send it to you. PM me.

EDIT: just tested and it has that issue where it stops after 8 mins with the 'Failed to open file. Card full?' error..

I'm at a bit of a loss on how to get my 5d3 recording past 8 mins without pink frames now.. Help?!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 23, 2016, 12:27:08 PM
All 5D3.123 nightly builds: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.123/
All 5D3.113 nightly builds: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/
All nightly builds: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on February 23, 2016, 12:40:31 PM
All 5D3.123 nightly builds: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.123/
All 5D3.113 nightly builds: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/
All nightly builds: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins

Can anyone recommend a good build?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 23, 2016, 12:45:17 PM
I recommend to read dmilligan's reply first: http://magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3072.msg162729#msg162729
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 23, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
EDIT: just tested and it has that issue where it stops after 8 mins with the 'Failed to open file. Card full?' error..

I'm at a bit of a loss on how to get my 5d3 recording past 8 mins without pink frames now.. Help?!

If you are using a build made before late January/early February 2015 and are using MLV you will run into that error because MLV shots were restricted to about 40 GByte.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on February 23, 2016, 01:40:04 PM
So.. MLV 123

Build #37 (Aug 7, 2014 12:01:30 AM) - Doesn't cause pink frames but has a limit of 40gb (around 8mins at 24p)
Build #38 (Mar 16, 2015 2:12:37 AM) - Pink frames present but no 40gb limit. Also bad vertical banding @ ISO 800?
Build #43 (Dec 20, 2015 7:57:55 PM) - Pink frames present but no 40gb limit.

I'm now going to test the in-between builds.. (Updating this post as I test)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on February 23, 2016, 03:12:27 PM
You could try to test 1.1.3 builds between Aug 7 and Mar 16 - that way you have more chances of narrowing down the exact change that is causing the issue.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on February 23, 2016, 03:38:54 PM
You could try to test 1.1.3 builds between Aug 7 and Mar 16 - that way you have more chances of narrowing down the exact change that is causing the issue.

These builds?

3​53 Mar 16, 2015 1:10 AM
3​52 Mar 15, 2015 1:10 AM
3​51 Mar 14, 2015 1:10 AM
3​50 Mar 13, 2015 1:10 AM
3​49 Mar 12, 2015 1:10 AM
3​48 Mar 11, 2015 12:08 AM
3​47 Mar 10, 2015 11:55 PM
3​46 Mar 2, 2015 1:10 AM
3​45 Feb 20, 2015 1:10 AM
3​44 Feb 18, 2015 1:10 AM
3​43 Jan 29, 2015 1:10 AM
3​42 Jan 28, 2015 1:10 AM
3​41 Jan 24, 2015 1:10 AM
3​40 Jan 15, 2015 1:10 AM
3​39 Jan 14, 2015 1:10 AM
3​38 Jan 3, 2015 1:10 AM
3​37 Oct 7, 2014 1:10 AM
3​36 Sep 27, 2014 1:10 AM
3​35 Sep 12, 2014 1:11 AM
3​34 Sep 1, 2014 1:10 AM
3​33 Aug 20, 2014 1:11 AM
3​32 Aug 8, 2014 1:41 PM
3​31 Aug 7, 2014 1:11 AM

At the moment my testing is to record around 10-15 clips at 50p with GD On, Audio on.
I also record a long 20min 24p file.

The trend so far is that if there is corruption in the 50p footage - there will be corruption present in the 24p stuff as well. I propose (since there are 23 builds to get through) just to run the 50p clip tests.

Not sure I'll be able to get round to it this week, but this is my plan...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 23, 2016, 04:00:04 PM
40 GByte limit was fixed in build 346 (02.March.2015). Sorry, thought it happened 1 month before.
Test build 345 and 346 first.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 23, 2016, 06:33:18 PM
Geez guys this better be worth the efforts and thanks to @itsDPmikey for starting this party. It is actually a great thing that we are digging through this in order to narrow down those issues.

Will report back my findings w 50p tests as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: itsDPmikey on February 24, 2016, 05:08:28 PM
Geez guys this better be worth the efforts and thanks to @itsDPmikey for starting this party. It is actually a great thing that we are digging through this in order to narrow down those issues.

Will report back my findings w 50p tests as soon as I can.

Appreciate it thanks Jedi. I am now using 1.1.3 from 03/27/2014, installed it yesterday and used it for a couple of hours. Works BEAUTIFULLY! But I am curious to what the trade off was between that and the newest build.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on March 03, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
itsDPmikey: That nightly is no longer available, any chance you could upload it here? Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 03, 2016, 05:15:06 PM
https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/
-> 5D3.113
-> Scroll down -> Left link "More" -> All 389 builds available.

But take a look into his newer posts. He changed his mind from "BEAUTIFULLY!" to not so enthusiastic ...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on March 04, 2016, 05:57:33 PM
Hmm, so is there any consensus on what is causing this issue and how we can avoid it? For me it is almost a deal breaker with currently almost every third take having corrupt frames.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on March 04, 2016, 06:05:37 PM
Turn off global draw.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on March 04, 2016, 06:55:43 PM
Turning off global draws in 50fps means no way of framing the shot, no focus peak, no information about anything. So that is not an option either..
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on March 04, 2016, 07:03:20 PM
What happens when you shoot with RAW and global draw on? Or with new format mlv_lite? Also turning down image size a bit to not stress the processor could work?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: spins on March 13, 2016, 06:02:24 AM
I've been using the Dec2015 build - there seems to be no option for shooting in 14 bit raw?  It's been quite the task to downgrade from 1.33 to 1. 23 and now can't even find the raw function, shouldn't this be more obvious?
Thank you!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on March 13, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
I've been using the Dec2015 build - there seems to be no option for shooting in 14 bit raw?  It's been quite the task to downgrade from 1.33 to 1. 23 and now can't even find the raw function, shouldn't this be more obvious?
Thank you!

Have you enabled mlv_rec in the modules menu?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jtvision on March 14, 2016, 04:54:51 AM
Hmm, so is there any consensus on what is causing this issue and how we can avoid it? For me it is almost a deal breaker with currently almost every third take having corrupt frames.
Change to 1280x720 @50 fps from canon menu. You are getting corrupt frames because you're overwriting from 30fps to 50fps. When shooting raw you will still get 1080p even though your settings are at 720p as per canon menu.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: spins on March 15, 2016, 04:35:32 AM
there is NO mdules menu in this latest build (I just got it over the weekend).  I've seen it on tutorials, but not on my version???

Posted by: beauchampy
« on: March 13, 2016, 03:55:01 PM » Insert Quote
Quote from: spins on March 13, 2016, 06:02:24 AM
I've been using the Dec2015 build - there seems to be no option for shooting in 14 bit raw?  It's been quite the task to downgrade from 1.33 to 1. 23 and now can't even find the raw function, shouldn't this be more obvious?
Thank you!

Have you enabled mlv_rec in the modules menu?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 15, 2016, 05:21:41 PM
Browse the screens and read captions.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on March 18, 2016, 01:35:22 PM
I am switching to 50fps 720p in Canon menu and it is still happening.

MLV_lite does not have sound - I guess I could go back to RAW in that case..

All I want is

no failed frames
sound
global draw on

at whatever resolution it can keep up.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: kitp on March 31, 2016, 06:00:11 PM
Yeah, I tried with card spanning - no help.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 01, 2016, 11:06:30 PM
Did we ever get to the bottom of these pink frames? Quite keen to use the latest nightly with the new crop mode, but not if we're still getting corrupt frames..

EDIT: Just been testing the April 2nd 2016 nightly. Recorded 9 clips at 50p and two of them had corrupt frames. This is recording MLV on 1.2.3 with GD and Audio on.

I've gone back to a build from August 7th 2014th which doesn't have a problem with the above settings.

Devs - how can we be of help to isolate the issue?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 03, 2016, 01:22:02 PM
Can you upload your config files?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 03, 2016, 01:59:50 PM
Can you upload your config files?

Sure, here's a Google drive folder with my config plus two corrupt clips.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-GY59oq1k7eTHNzdms2bHRnWVE

I just ran the test again, and had 3 corrupted clips from 7 attempts. The two clips above are from this second test run, dumped my config settings right after.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 03, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
I'd be really interested to know if anyone else can re-produce the pink corrupt frame glitches
I'm getting. Just load up my ML settings, record 10 50p RAW clips in a row and see if any of them have corrupt frames.

EDIT: a1ex, one thing I've noticed is that builds that don't have the 40gb limit on raw recording are the ones that seem to glitch for me. Could that change be part of the issue?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on April 03, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
@beauchampy -- I'll give it a shot with your ML settings and report back.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 04, 2016, 02:46:11 AM
Been testing the April 2 build trying to nail the pink frame bug  :'( I did a fresh 1.2.3 firmware update after a 64Gb 1066x Toshiba card shat itself (it's been resurrected). I fiddled with just about every Canon & ML setting and couldn't track it down. It doesn't appear to be caused by a conflict with any particular setting, or card.

Apr2: 1920x818 24p (exact FPS) mlv_rec & mlv_snd loaded, global draw on (raw histogram) snd on, 180 degree shutter. Recorded 12x 10sec shots and 2x 2min shots. Toshiba 1066x 64GB. No bad frames.

Apr2: 992x596 60p (exact FPS) 3x3 crop, mlv_rec & crop_rec loaded, GD (raw histo) on and off, 180 degree shutter. Recorded 12+ 5, 10, 30sec shots. Toshiba 1066x 64GB. 1 to 2 bad frames on 3 shots. Recorded 1312x472 with 3x3 crop off: same result.

Apr2: 992x596 60p (exact FPS) 3x3 crop, mlv_rec & crop_rec loaded, GD (raw histo) on, 180 degree shutter. Recorded 12x 10sec shots. Lexar 1066x 64GB. 1 bad frames on 2 shots.

Dec20: 1312x472 60p (exact FPS) mlv_rec loaded, GD (raw histo) on, 180 degree shutter. Recorded 12x 10sec shots. Toshiba 1066x 64GB. 1 bad frame on 2 shots.

Aug7/14 1344x502 60p (exact FPS) mlv_rec loaded, GD (raw histo) on, 180 degree shutter. Recorded 12x 10sec shots. Lexar 1066x 64Gb. No bad frames ???
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 04, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
I can throw a ton of abuse at the 7th Aug 2014 build and not one bad frame. I'm almost convinced it has something to do with the 40gb limit. I'm a dumbass when it comes to programming, but can anyone build the latest build again but with whatever change happened to lift the 40gb limit reversed?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: strikermed on April 04, 2016, 06:07:08 PM
I previously had an issue with Magic lantern Raw producing pink frames.  I tested all the MLRAW to CDNG converters out there that I could find.  Just about all of them had issues producing pink frames.  I did however find this build: raw2cdng.1.5.0.betra7 to be flawless in shooting an entire 128GB compact flash card on 5d Mark III with firmware 1.2.3 and magic lantern build: Nightly.2015Dec20.5D3123.

This build records audio, and didn't produce any pink frames when paired with the raw2cdng.1.5.0.beta7 converter.  Keep in mind this is the MLV moduel, not the RAW module with Magic Lantern.  I also disabled Global draw when I did these tests.  I shot at 1920x1080 24p on 5d3.  Here is a link to the test shoot I did: https://youtu.be/wyH6z47rmL4 (https://youtu.be/wyH6z47rmL4)

I haven't done much testing since then, but this was shot in February, using the said versions of software and Magic Lantern. 

In conclusion, I've come to the realization that some of the issue with pink frames may not come from the MLV files themselves, but from the converters doing the conversion.  I can tell you that I've tested the same footage, and I've got different results from different software. 

I propose that I take a file that you are getting pink frames with and trying it with this converter to verify if it's Magic Lantern causing the issue, or if it's your converting software.

Food for thought!  Love ML and love what you guys have done with it in the last 5 years.  I can't wait until it's actually partnered with Canon (if they will ever do such a thing) to create an all in one package!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 05, 2016, 11:26:37 AM

In conclusion, I've come to the realization that some of the issue with pink frames may not come from the MLV files themselves, but from the converters doing the conversion.  I can tell you that I've tested the same footage, and I've got different results from different software. 


Interesting, I had thought of this too. However, I get pink frames when I play back the MLV in camera! I also get them in MLRawViewer as well as RawMagic (yes, I know it's not welcome around here). Had a look at raw2cdng, but it seems to be PC only? Want to try and convert one of my corrupt clips? There's two right here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-GY59oq1k7eTHNzdms2bHRnWVE&usp=sharing

EDIT: Also please do the record 10 clips at 50p test and let us know your results.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 09, 2016, 09:57:03 PM
I'm almost convinced it has something to do with the 40gb limit.

So, are you saying that:

* magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/346/artifact/platform/5D3.113/magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip) (e8cc6e5) is buggy? (has pink frames?)
* magiclantern-Nightly.2015Feb20.5D3113.zip (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/345/artifact/platform/5D3.113/magiclantern-Nightly.2015Feb20.5D3113.zip) (36ff475) is fine? (as in, can you throw a lot of abuse at it without getting pink frames?)

If - and only if - the answer to both questions is a solid "yes", can you check this mlv_rec.mo (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/mlv_rec_df0bbfe/mlv_rec.mo) on any of the two builds? (ML core is identical in both).

It should display "Last update: df0bbfe" when you press Q in the module dialog, and it's the only intermediate version between the two builds.

If - and only if - the modified mlv_rec.mo works fine, and you can say it with a solid "yes", can you try it (modified mlv_rec.mo) on a recent 1.1.3 nightly?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 10, 2016, 02:17:46 AM
So, are you saying that:

* magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/346/artifact/platform/5D3.113/magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip) (e8cc6e5) is buggy? (has pink frames?)
* magiclantern-Nightly.2015Feb20.5D3113.zip (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/345/artifact/platform/5D3.113/magiclantern-Nightly.2015Feb20.5D3113.zip) (36ff475) is fine? (as in, can you throw a lot of abuse at it without getting pink frames?)

If - and only if - the answer to both questions is a solid "yes", can you check this mlv_rec.mo (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/mlv_rec_df0bbfe/mlv_rec.mo) on any of the two builds? (ML core is identical in both).

It should display "Last update: df0bbfe" when you press Q in the module dialog, and it's the only intermediate version between the two builds.

If - and only if - the modified mlv_rec.mo works fine, and you can say it with a solid "yes", can you try it (modified mlv_rec.mo) on a recent 1.1.3 nightly?

Hey Alex,

Just spent a good few hours testing. The results are in!

Test:
Record 16 clips, camera settings as follows... 50p, 1920 16:9, MLV Snd enabled and ON, GD ON, Focus Peaking ON, Histogram ON.
Rack focus during recordings to liven up the focus peaking.
Review clips in MLRawViewer at 23.976 stretched to 16:9.
Clips that have 1 or more bad frames marked as BAD.

BENCH TEST
FW: magiclantern-Nightly.2016Apr01.5D3113
BAD: 9
GOOD: 7
FAIL

Test 1:
FW: magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip
BAD: 7
GOOD: 9
FAIL

Test 2:
FW: magiclantern-Nightly.2015Feb20.5D3113.zip
BAD: 0
GOOD: 16
PASS

(At this point I'm now 100% convinced about my theory)

Test 3:
FW:  magiclantern-Nightly.2015Feb20.5D3113.zip w/ the intermediate mlv_rec.mo linked in previous post matching df0bbfe
BAD: 0
GOOD: 16
PASS

Test 4:
FW: magiclantern-Nightly.2016Apr01.5D3113 w/ the intermediate mlv_rec.mo linked in previous post matching df0bbfe
BAD: 0
GOOD: 16
PASS

YOU'RE THE MAN A1EX!!! IT WORKS!!!  :D

This intermediate mlv_rec module produces no bad frames on the latest April 1st nightly, also records past the 40gb mark.. My camera is currently rolling next to me and has hit the 11 min mark at 24p.. Well past 40gb.

Question is, what does this all mean? What's the difference in the 'intermediate' mlv_rec module VS the mlv_rec in the 2015march02 nightly?

And also where does this leave 1.2.3?

Thanks so much for your time and efforts.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 10, 2016, 07:54:08 AM
Interesting. The 40GB fix works in the modified mlv_rec, right? (edit: found the answer)

What I did:

- between the two builds linked above, there were two changes:

Quote
e8cc6e5 | g3gg0
mlv_rec: added DEBG chunks for embedding logs. useful to troubleshoot after a MLV had been written. one side effect: the second file will have log data from the first file after writers were stopped

df0bbfe | g3gg0
mlv_rec: major fixups for card spanning and preallocated file names

The modified mlv_rec only includes df0bbfe (the 40GB fix), but not e8cc6e5 (debug logs embedded in the MLV stream).

You uploaded two corrupted clips. I couldn't download them (I get to a page that says "Trotzdem herunterladen", and clicking it just reloads the page); can you (or someone else) convert them with mlv_dump? Do you get pink frames?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 10, 2016, 08:22:44 AM
Great news on that damned pink frames bug. I spent 2 days last week trying to find a firmware conflict  :'(
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 10, 2016, 08:46:49 AM
Can you confirm the fix as well? It's not something I could test, so I'm relying 100% on user feedback.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 10, 2016, 08:57:48 AM
Here's another mlv_rec.mo for you to try:

mlv_rec.mo (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/mlv_rec_no_embedded_logging/mlv_rec.mo)

This works only on current nightly builds, not on the 2015 ones.

Looks like g3gg0 provided a way to disable his change about debug logging, and the second module does just that, without throwing away the change completely. So, if it works, I prefer including this one in the nightly builds.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 10, 2016, 10:13:10 AM
Apr3 1.2.3 build: 992x596 60p (exact FPS) 3x3 crop, (latest) mlv_rec, mlv_snd & crop_rec loaded, GD (raw histo) on, 180 degree shutter. Recorded 19x 10sec shots. Toshiba 1066x 64GB. No bad frames.

Only issue is a "hack error at 0" message on record start.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 10, 2016, 10:24:32 AM
Well, the module is for 1.1.3, that's why you get "hack error".

- Which of the two modified mlv_rec.mo you tested? (I assume the one from post #677, but I'm not sure)
- Can you record past 40GB?
- Do you get pink frames with mlv_rec.mo from the 2015Mar02 zip (posted above) in the same conditions?

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 10, 2016, 10:34:16 AM
Yeah I figured that.

Tested #677. I haven't tested Mar2/15 but I'm running the same tests I did here http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5473.msg165309#msg165309 If the bug was still present I should've seen it by now. Haven't tried 40Gb, I'll give it a shot.



Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Danne on April 10, 2016, 10:57:04 AM
Did some testing over here.
Finally managed to produce pink frames with my 5D mark III firmware 1.1.3. (MLV)
On latest april 1st 2016 nightly build I can reproduce pink frames every time. Camera set on 60fps 720p mode. Always happen when focus peaking is on. With focus peaking off and other default global draw settings to "allow" I don,t get the pink frames. (needs more testing).

Next I tried this build (MLV)
magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip (e8cc6e5)
I managed to get ONE single pink frame with 60fps 720p mode default global draw settings plus focus peaking on. Ran maybe 7-8 recordings. All stopped after around 200 frames

Next I put in the this mlv_rec.mo #672 ("If - and only if - the answer to both questions is a solid "yes", can you check this mlv_rec.mo") in the Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip (e8cc6e5) and run the same tests again. About ten recordings not a single bad pinkish frame on any of the files.

COuldn,t try the latest mlv_rec.mo #677(missing symbols, fonts etc giving module error with e8cc6e5 build. Maybe it,s for 1.2.3 build)

Can,t really dig in more to this at the moment but feels really nice seeing this being narrowed down. Great work.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 10, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
Same settings as before. 43Gb, no bad frames :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 10, 2016, 12:07:43 PM
You uploaded two corrupted clips. I couldn't download them (I get to a page that says "Trotzdem herunterladen", and clicking it just reloads the page); can you (or someone else) convert them with mlv_dump? Do you get pink frames?

I can confirm the pink frames are still present after converting with mlv_dump on those particular clips.

Here's another mlv_rec.mo for you to try:

mlv_rec.mo (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/mlv_rec_no_embedded_logging/mlv_rec.mo)

Looks like g3gg0 provided a way to disable his change about debug logging, and the second module does just that, without throwing away the change completely. So, if it works, I prefer including this one in the nightly builds.

Just ran the same test using this module.

Test 5:
FW: magiclantern-Nightly.2016Apr01.5D3113 w/ mlv_rec.mo - debug logging disabled.
BAD: 0
GOOD: 20
PASS  :D

40GB Test: PASS

Next I tried this build (MLV)
magiclantern-Nightly.2015Mar02.5D3113.zip (e8cc6e5)
I managed to get ONE single pink frame with 60fps 720p mode default global draw settings plus focus peaking on. Ran maybe 7-8 recordings. All stopped after around 200 frames

7-8 clips isn't a conclusive test. I find that on a bad build you can get lucky and have 10+ good clips in a 20 clip test. Please run again with more clips. 16 would be good.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on April 10, 2016, 12:11:18 PM
COuldn,t try the latest mlv_rec.mo #677(missing symbols, fonts etc giving module error with e8cc6e5 build.

Right, this one only works on current nightlies. It's for 1.1.3, and gives hack error on 1.2.3 (with a small performance penalty as well).

Test 5:
FW: magiclantern-Nightly.2016Apr01.5D3113 w/ mlv_rec.mo - debug logging disabled.
BAD: 0
GOOD: 20
PASS  :D

40GB Test: PASS

Yay! Commited the change and included it (among with some other minor fixes) in this pull request:

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/pull-requests/698/raw-recording-fixes-both-raw-and-mlv/diff
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 10, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
Woohoo!

Good timing too. I'm just about to shoot a crowdfunding trailer for my feature.

Thx a1ex. 3x3 crop anamorphic looks great @ 2K.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 10, 2016, 01:30:34 PM
Woohoo!

Good timing too. I'm just about to shoot a crowdfunding trailer for my feature.

Thx a1ex. 3x3 crop anamorphic looks great @ 2K.

Tell me about it, I'm jumping on a plane to Panama in 2 days to shoot a BTS for a well known international music artist.. Gonna be road testing this hard.

A1ex - I use 1.2.3 from time to time for interviews where I need a backup from the HDMI. Should I just wait a few days on a nightly for a 1.2.3 fix?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 10, 2016, 01:37:31 PM
It seems to work fine with 1.2.3, but I haven't tried it with an external monitor yet.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: g3gg0 on April 11, 2016, 07:33:15 AM
If you lower the write rate a bit, will the debug build work without pink frames?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on April 11, 2016, 07:50:29 AM
I tried data rates 5-10MB/s lower, no change.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: g3gg0 on April 11, 2016, 08:08:56 AM
Okay thanks! Do you have the log of two sample files, good and bad?

Use mlv_dump -v file.mlv > log.txt
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 11, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
Okay thanks! Do you have the log of two sample files, good and bad?

Use mlv_dump -v file.mlv > log.txt

Give me a couple hours and I'll do this for a bad clip on the April 01 2016 Nightly VS the same build but with the replaced mlv_rec module.

EDIT: Here's the log files. log_bad.txt is from a bad clip with pink frames, log_good.txt is from a clip recorded with the debugging disabled.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-GY59oq1k7eN3o2OFVBajJtZ0E&usp=sharing

EDIT2: If it makes any difference here are some frame numbers that were bad: 215, 216, 382
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 21, 2016, 12:41:10 PM
Just shot nearly 2TB of MLV over 2 days in Panama. Not a single corrupt frame on 113 + a1ex's modified mlv_rec module in 23.976 and 50p with audio and GD on.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hjfilmspeed on April 25, 2016, 09:23:13 PM
What's you resolution? @beauchampy
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 26, 2016, 12:05:27 AM
What's you resolution? @beauchampy

At 24p? 1920x1080
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: CineRAW on April 26, 2016, 02:28:34 AM
@beauchampy Which Build are you using?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 26, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
@beauchampy Which Build are you using?

April 1st 113 using the modified mlv_rec which is here:
http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/mlv_rec_no_embedded_logging/mlv_rec.mo
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: CineRAW on April 26, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
@beauchampy What do you mean by modified? Is there a thread here in the forum I can start reading about how to "modify"? Or is this something you are doing independently? Thanks for all your help!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on April 26, 2016, 05:46:42 PM
@beauchampy What do you mean by modified? Is there a thread here in the forum I can start reading about how to "modify"? Or is this something you are doing independently? Thanks for all your help!

a1ex modified mlv_rec to disable the logging. It seems to have fixed the pink frames issue. The link to the modified module is in my previous post. Just replace it in your modules folder.

Not sure if this is reflected in the nightlies yet.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johannsebastianbach on April 27, 2016, 06:19:58 AM
Right, this one only works on current nightlies. It's for 1.1.3, and gives hack error on 1.2.3 (with a small performance penalty as well).

Yay! Commited the change and included it (among with some other minor fixes) in this pull request:

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/pull-requests/698/raw-recording-fixes-both-raw-and-mlv/diff


I would like to test the modified mlv_rec.mo too, but your dropbox link doesn't work anymore. Or is it already in the nightly builds (could not find it in the changeset informations)?


Another question: Is it normal, that Global Draw doesnt work in 60fps-mode when a external monitor is plugged in? 5D3113
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 27, 2016, 06:41:42 AM
Or is it already in the nightly builds (could not find it in the changeset informations)?
According to link this one was merged into main (= nightly build) April, 10th. All builds since contain it.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: EtienneSurrette on April 27, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
I don't get it.  You guys had issues with a pink frames bug on a 2015 nightly build.  Why didn't you just update to a 2016 build?  Sorry, I just got a 5D3 after using ML on a 6D for one year.  I'm fairly new lol. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johannsebastianbach on April 27, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
According to link this one was merged into main (= nightly build) April, 10th. All builds since contain it.

I checked all nightly updates after this date but couldn't find any mlv_rec changes in the changeset informations :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 28, 2016, 07:17:19 AM
Sorry to read that.
Search gives 9 matches, however.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johannsebastianbach on April 29, 2016, 03:27:53 AM
Sorry to read that.
Search gives 9 matches, however.

Oh, maybe I didn't search it right. I looked at downloads->chose 5d3-113-> looked at older builds after 04-10->changesets and looked trough "files changed". Where did you find it?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 29, 2016, 08:20:54 AM
https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/
-> 5D3.113
-> Changes (Top left)
-> Use browser's find function (STRG-F on Windows) to look for mlv_rec
or (to restrict search)
-> mark change lists 401-403. Copy-paste to your editor of choice (Notepad++ here) and ask editor to count.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: johannsebastianbach on May 01, 2016, 03:10:00 AM
https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/
-> 5D3.113
-> Changes (Top left)
-> Use browser's find function (STRG-F on Windows) to look for mlv_rec
or (to restrict search)
-> mark change lists 401-403. Copy-paste to your editor of choice (Notepad++ here) and ask editor to count.

Thank you Walter Schulz!


Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Aidy on May 01, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Hi guys

Just 2 quick question to you all:
I have had ML on my 550D for years, loved it.
I now want to install ML on my 5D mrk3. Im going to downgrade firmware to 1.1.3 and have an attempt at installing.


Q1:
I get the impression that the 5D mrk3 installation is a little more complex than the 550D installation, anyone got a good link to step-by-step installation? Im getting lost in a wealth of discussions and methods. (Im looking at you Walter Schultz)

Q2:
Having little knowledge of code and the inner workings, should I stay away from RAW filming? It would massively help my video productions.


Cheers in-advance, I can imagine rookies like me are a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank7D on May 01, 2016, 10:13:32 PM
Q2: You don't need to know code to use raw. You need:
1 - a fast CF card
2 - a lot of hard drive space
3 - a decent computer
4 - time and motivation to learn a new post-process (one of several described on this site)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: markodarko on May 02, 2016, 08:00:32 AM
Q1:
I get the impression that the 5D mrk3 installation is a little more complex than the 550D installation,

Not at all. Installation is painless providing you've already downgraded your firmware to v1.1.3 through EOS Utility. That's the only bit that's different. Full instructions here:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14460.msg140355#msg140355

Q2:
Having little knowledge of code and the inner workings, should I stay away from RAW filming? It would massively help my video productions.

No coding necessary. V1.1.3 on 5D III running ML is solid in my experience, however if you're unsure of whether to shoot in RAW I'd urge you to take a look at a recent RAW vs h.264 video comparison that I did. IMHO as long as you take care in exposing and use a non-sharpened picture style when recording, the h.264 results can almost be indistinguishable from RAW in most situations:


Personally I'm going to shoot h.264 now for the main part and use RAW for when a project is "special" or for certain clips that I know that I'm going to want to push-in in post as the workflow speed / storage / machine requirements are a fraction of what they are with h.264 but without sacrificing any perceivable image quality in isolation. At least not to my eyes.  ;)

All the best,

Mark.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on May 02, 2016, 07:06:40 PM
For those wondering about where the fix is with the nightlies, it was fixed in the April 11th 2016 build for 113 (see point 4)
https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D3.113/394/

@a1ex - I've got a gig coming up this week where I need to run my Atomos for backup (i.e. I need clean HDMI). Can I just copy the mlv_rec from the fixed 113 build and use that with the latest 123 build? Or is there a new 123 nightly in the works which addresses the pink frame bug?

Thnx
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hjfilmspeed on May 02, 2016, 07:35:38 PM
I'm not trying to boost my own bug here but I believe this is MLV Pink frame related. I was just wondering if anyone has seen this. I couldnt find it in my searches. See this link in bitbucket:
Issue 2527 https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issues/2527/mlv-bad-frame-3-2-5d-mark-iii-4-28-2016 (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issues/2527/mlv-bad-frame-3-2-5d-mark-iii-4-28-2016)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Aidy on May 03, 2016, 01:45:40 AM
Cheers @markodarko and @Frank7D for your time.

Just wondering if theres any definitive reason for choosing ML 1.2.3 version over 1.1.3?
I keep seeing warnings saying that 1.1.3 is more stable?

Ive managed to downgrade my firmware to 1.1.3 but not sure whether its a wise choice?
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers in advance
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: AlexRo on May 06, 2016, 02:48:44 PM
Can someone tell me how to turn off this annoying beep sound? A year ago it was enabled only for the rec button. And now I hear it when I press ISO and hulf shutter buttons. Can it be as it was a year ago?

Thanx.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on May 06, 2016, 03:06:32 PM
Duplicate of http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17210.msg166713#msg166713 , please give more details there.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: jarabmx on May 30, 2016, 10:21:56 AM
I have been off forum for a while - has there been any progress with identifying the source of pink glitches and whether it has been solved?

I have downgraded to the old 2014 version and that works flawlessly so far.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on May 30, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
I have been off forum for a while - has there been any progress with identifying the source of pink glitches and whether it has been solved?

I have downgraded to the old 2014 version and that works flawlessly so far.

We discovered it was the debug logging in the mlv_rec module that was causing it. It's been disabled in 1.1.3 since April 10th I think. There's still no 1.2.3 build that doesn't glitch post August 2014.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anDyIII on June 23, 2016, 05:25:21 PM
Hi guys, I'm back again.
Some weeks ago I downgraded from 1.2.3 to 1.1.3 to have the fix for pink frames. (Btw, italian users on ML Italia user group on facebook keep asking for the fix for 1.2.3 version. @a1ex, since 1.2.3 version is not updated since last year, is there any chance to see a new nightly in a short time?)

Now I wanna talk about two issues I've found using 1.1.3 16 May nightly.

1st. Highlight clipping as you can read in this thread. I posted there more info.
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16401.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16401.0)

2nd. With 1.1.3 fw I can't see desqueezing on an external lilliput monitor. Is it normal for 1.1.3 or not? I'd like to know if it should work on 1.2.3 version before I upgrade all to try out.

Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on June 25, 2016, 03:09:06 AM
@anDyIII

Come stai, per utilizare il Liliput, debi instalare la versione 1.2.3.
Ciao!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anDyIII on June 25, 2016, 05:17:26 PM
@budafilms

I'm fine, thanks.
1.2.3 fw just gives you mirroring and clean out, but global draw works exactly like on 1.1.3 with my lilliput monitor. Today I had some spare time to test this out.
It seems like anamorphic desqueeze doesn't work at the same level of global draw and so it won't be output through hdmi.

Here are two images showing how camera and lilliput monitors disply with 1.2.3 version of ML. Desqueeze is applied in camera.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ex09qil61j2kv37/Camera%20Monitor%20with%20desqueeze.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ex09qil61j2kv37/Camera%20Monitor%20with%20desqueeze.jpg?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ugt9a9l56er99gt/Lilliput%20monitor%20global%20draw.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ugt9a9l56er99gt/Lilliput%20monitor%20global%20draw.jpg?dl=0)

Is there any way to make desqueeze visible through hdmi on both 1.1.3 and 1.2.3?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on June 26, 2016, 09:32:05 AM
@anDyIII

Andy, only in 1.2.3 you get this features from Canon:
- clean HDMI out
- dual monitor support

In my experience, 1.1.3 is faster, more stable, fewer death pixels, but you don't have - for the firmware - that features.
You have to use 1.1.3 for the pink frames? Maybe, you can try Raw (1) and no MLV RAW.

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anDyIII on June 26, 2016, 10:27:56 AM
I know that those features are available only on 1.2.3 and that's what I said.
I'm just saying that I can't ouput anamorphic desqueeze together with global draw on both 1.1.3 and 1.2.3.

I don't have pink frames anymore with 1.1.3, just highlight clipping depending on MLV viewer/converter.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on June 26, 2016, 10:45:39 AM
@anDyIII try this: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzJ3L6nv6Fn0ZHhSUTdCRVNSWG8
You'll get an error message because the pink frames fix module is from a 1.1.3 build, but apart from that it works ok for me.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anDyIII on June 26, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
@squig

Thanks, but maybe I can't explain myself.
I don't have any pink frames, just highlight clipping in some cases, which is a different thing.
And I can't output anamorphic desqueeze through hdmi, even with Force HDMI-VGA as a1ex suggested in another thread. Another user has the same problem.

Btw, I also submitted a pull request with the pink frames fix for 1.2.3 last night, and now I'm still testing the fix from a personally compiled build for 1.2.3.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: squig on June 26, 2016, 11:36:45 AM
If you use the build and post workflow I've suggested you shouldn't have any problems. Just convert your CDNG files to ProRes4444 in After Effects and you can edit and grade in whatever application you prefer.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ibrahim on July 02, 2016, 10:30:01 PM
Quote
5D3 with a decent SD card to run ML off and a KB 128GB CF card for recording onto works flawlessly when it comes to shooting 24p @ 1080p continuously until the card fills up (be sure to set CF into exFAT) otherwise.

I am using the same setup but I haven't been able to make my CF card (sandisk 64GB & 128GB 160MB/s extreme pro) to exfat even though I use the EOS card appplication.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 03, 2016, 01:09:15 AM
EOScard: Tool for making a card bootable and for applying ML files and directory structure.
Your CF-card in a splitt card configuration does *not* run ML and therefore does not have to be bootable.
Use your OS (Windows or OS X) if you want to apply ExFAT file system to your CF-card.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ibrahim on July 03, 2016, 01:13:57 AM
I run my ML from my SD card but recording into my CF-card using spanning.
How do I apply exfat on my CF-card in win7?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 03, 2016, 01:16:24 AM
Click! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+format+card+with+exfat+in+windows+7)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ibrahim on July 07, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
I tried turning my CF-card once to exfat by formating on a PC but then my 5d3 didn't recoignize it any longer. If I remember correctly it stated something like "card not properly inserted". I had to send the card back to sandisk and get a new one, therefore I haven't tried again since then due to the lack of info on turn my 64GB and 128GB cards to exfat on PC.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 07, 2016, 07:26:35 PM
144,000 hits on google = Lack of info
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on July 18, 2016, 02:09:44 PM
Guys - I've got a problem here - would really appreciate your help-
I've shot a short film on 5Diii build 113 in MLV and having trouble with one of the cards- can't finish it without the footage

Recorded MLV on a Komputer Bay CF card 128gb (formatted to exFAT and previously used without problem)
Lexar USB3 CF card reader into Windows 10 (I have a MAC too if needed to try something different, but neither see the card properly).

No improper shutdowns or lock-ups/ frame skips to raise concern.
Footage plays from camera - but when I put the card in the PC it says "Unrecognised - please format" (Obviously I haven't formatted)

I tried filming a few seconds in MLV to see if it would write and it does -plays OK on the camera
Tried USB connection to Canon Utility, but doesn't see the MLV files. (was wondering if file manager could help?)

Any ideas please?
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 19, 2016, 02:27:54 AM
Tried this yet?

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16963.msg164679#msg164679
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on July 19, 2016, 11:11:33 AM
Thank you so much DeafEyeJedi!

It worked initially - managed to pull three files out 15 (but much better than nothing)
It stopped transferring and now nothing seems to work (back to "please format card cannot be read etc") - neither in the camera nor following the "OSX Initialize and First Aid method"

Tried wondershare software (paid software) - can not read the card.

Not sure if I should format it (in the camera or computer- which would preserve most data?) and try the data recovery software again-
If you have any idea suggestions they would be a blessing-

 thank you once again.
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 21, 2016, 06:27:53 AM
Even tried again in paranoid mode within PhotoRec?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on July 21, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
It can't see the card. Doesn't recognise anything being there to scan anymore. I'm going to try a different card reader, but as the camera can't see the card either now my options are narrowing towards formatting.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 21, 2016, 11:09:53 AM
There are some advanced mounting options available in OS X and Linux. Have you tried them yet?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on July 22, 2016, 12:28:59 AM
Thank you Walter. I wasn't aware of there are advanced mounting options. I'll try this option after I've googled how to do it. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Nerodanger on July 27, 2016, 11:10:45 AM
Thanks again for all your help - KomputerBay card is fried. Won't mount or even format. But at least I saved some footage. I understand that Using the Lexar Workflow compact flash reader on different computers has been known to cause issues with the KB cards (can't see a firmware upgrade for the Lexar Workflow  yet). So good practice to format and import on the same computer where possible and use an exFat hard drive to work on files between computers if you have a  MAC & PC set-up. 
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anDyIII on August 18, 2016, 01:50:40 AM
Quote
I also submitted a pull request with the pink frames fix for 1.2.3 last night, and now I'm still testing the fix from a personally compiled build for 1.2.3.

A month ago I fixed and compiled the mlv_rec module for 1.2.3 fw. Here is the the fixed module that has been tested by me and other users from the Magic Lantern Italia facebook user group.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6pn6ddj6s01b9wk/mlv_rec+5D3-123+pink+frames+fix+applied+by+Casanova.zip

It works like a charm.

The pull request I opened on bitbucket is still there and needs approval by main devs.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on August 18, 2016, 11:21:50 AM
A month ago I fixed and compiled the mlv_rec module for 1.2.3 fw. Here is the the fixed module that has been tested by me and other users from the Magic Lantern Italia facebook user group.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6pn6ddj6s01b9wk/mlv_rec+5D3-123+pink+frames+fix+applied+by+Casanova.zip

It works like a charm.

The pull request I opened on bitbucket is still there and needs approval by main devs.

I've been using this for a couple weeks (me and anDyIII know each other outside this forum) and can also confirm it works 100% on the latest 123 with no pink frames.  8)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Simonwb on August 19, 2016, 11:08:13 AM
I've been using this for a couple weeks (me and anDyIII know each other outside this forum) and can also confirm it works 100% on the latest 123 with no pink frames.  8)

@beauchampy please advise how I use this new module - I'm using 1.2.3 Nightly Build 7 Aug 14 -
- Do I just put this new module file over the old one on my ML card in the camera and restart?
- Or is it more involved than that?  e.g. do I replace the module file, then do a complete ML uninstall then reinstall?

Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Lars Steenhoff on August 19, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
normally replacing the module on the card should be enough, in this case im not sure if the build from august 2014 would be the best, perhaps the build from 2015 would be a better base.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: beauchampy on August 19, 2016, 03:15:04 PM
@beauchampy please advise how I use this new module - I'm using 1.2.3 Nightly Build 7 Aug 14 -
- Do I just put this new module file over the old one on my ML card in the camera and restart?
- Or is it more involved than that?  e.g. do I replace the module file, then do a complete ML uninstall then reinstall?

Thanks

The first one.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: anDyIII on August 19, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
normally replacing the module on the card should be enough, in this case im not sure if the build from august 2014 would be the best, perhaps the build from 2015 would be a better base.

Sorry, I forgot to say how to use it. Just use the latest build from 2015 and replace the mlv_rec module with the one I compiled. No need to reinstall ML.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Simonwb on August 19, 2016, 04:41:22 PM
@Lars Steenhoff @beauchampy @anDyIII

Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Miklas on August 21, 2016, 01:12:09 AM
1) My only tip for KB cards is to full format them once in a while on a windows pc. I'm a mac user and tried using disk utility to no avail. Full exfat format and then you can format your 128gb and specially the 256GB cards in camera that no error will appear and will also format the full size of card. Takes roughly 4 to 5 hours a 256GB card format on a win7  laptop.

There may be an app that formats cards in lots of ways on El Capitan but I have plenty windows laptops around so...

2) I have a problem with Magic Lantern not showing the remaining size in my cards. I'll usually be blind as it will display the size but not the remaining GB. It's dramatic and I fixed it by throwing money at the problem and having extra cards. any help here?

3) Another issue I've encountered. When using MLRAWVIEWER, it crashes on El Capitan (imac i7) but, it produces a certain size set of DNG's and wav file. When using the Fuse MLVFS the size of the DNG's is double. Side by side in PS CC they look identical. What wizardry is that?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Erkett on September 08, 2016, 11:37:11 PM
I have some problems with the vertical banding...
How to fix that?
I have tried to smooth them out with MLV Producer but they coming back when I grade...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: sasha on September 19, 2016, 12:04:17 PM
hello all, i'm new i just bought a used 5d mark iii, what is the best firmware for raw recording 1.1.3 or 1.2.3?
thanks!!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: budafilms on September 29, 2016, 06:40:59 AM
@sasha

1.1.3 it's a little more stable for raw.

Make sure you are running Canon firmware 1.1.3. If you are running 1.3.3, you can downgrade with EOS Utility.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: stevethornton on November 16, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
Walter Schulz wrote: "Use your OS (Windows or OS X) if you want to apply ExFAT file system to your CF-card."

This has never worked for me. I get the same thing others are reporting about. I re-formatted all of the cards using SDFormatter, and the "Problem" went away. I thought like Walter it was the same, but not for me. This is on a Windows 7 computer.

This is the link for SDFormatter:
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/

Steve Thornton
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on November 16, 2016, 03:23:44 PM
Using W7 and cards between 8 and 32 GB on 650D: No problem.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: CineRAW on November 22, 2016, 07:26:50 AM
@anDyIII

Did you get HDMI out from 1.1.3 version?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 04, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
Hello,I need HELP please. First let me tell you a little background before  tell my problem.  I have been using Magic Lantern  almost 2 years now, first with the canon t5i/700D, this week I bought the 5D mark iii and everything works perfect , well still testing , not yet having a CF card. So Im experienced using ML. I said about using 2 cameras so you know is not an ML version problem or camera problem. When  I have the MLV or RAW file and I check them in MlRawViewer(dont matter the version) it looks Flat , like it is supposed to look, right?
I like Log C and Log 8 more, but when exporting the DNG sequence looks already graded, the sequence even has vignetting. When I check the DNG files, the thumbail previews look flat too , but when open the sequence with windows photo visualizator, Photoshop and AE, it looks already graded like I said. It`s weird when open a DNG image in the windows photo visualizator cause while is opening it first looks flat for  miliseconds and then go totally graded. I have this issue for almost 2 years, I havent found any solution. What is the purpose to record in Raw in order to get full quality and a flat look , if at the end it throws already graded sequences. I have seen on youtube videos where they show the ungraded footage made with ML and then the grade footage. How can i export the DNG sequence in a flat look? What do I have to do to achieve that? Please Help.
Im on windows by the way, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 05, 2017, 04:54:13 AM
Care to share some DNG samples or let alone upload a short MLV if you can @wicq?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 05, 2017, 09:04:20 AM
hi DeafEyeJedi, sure but it`s a Raw file http://www.mediafire.com/file/ap4bhruxq7473tz/M03-1429.rar  , thanks in advance
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: extremelypoorfilmaker on February 05, 2017, 01:21:46 PM
@wicq

Sorry, but I don't understand.. On my end the footage you uploaded looks fine: As a normal linear .dng would look once extracted from the raw files.

Magic Lantern raw files are not supposed to look flat. Because they are Linear .dngs.

mlrawviewer gives you the option to export your raw files or mlv files either in a LINEAR sequence of .dngs OR, an .MOV file with a log curve applied to it (I presume)


This Is a Lightweight jpeg processed through Lightrom from the raw file you provided No color correction / grading applied.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3TsoW-UO16sSUxGWjRYN2w2b2s/view?usp=sharing

This is another lightweight jpeg generated from the same file BUT trying to give it a "flat" look

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3TsoW-UO16sYm41N2MtSFBVMTA/view?usp=sharing

This is the same image as above BUT with me fucking about in lightroom in order to give it some sort of "look"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3TsoW-UO16sRVFyMEFVNkl3TjQ/view?usp=sharing



This two files instead, are screengrab taken from 2 .MOV files that I have rendered from your raw file straight to .MOV applying a a log curve (Hope that's the right term)

Log-C

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3TsoW-UO16sQ3lTOTNiSGVRNk0/view?usp=sharing

Rec-709

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3TsoW-UO16seFgzeDVBWURGWmc/view?usp=sharing

I don't see nothing wrong with your files, the vignetting it's most probably caused by the lens.

Maybe this articles will help you a bit? :)

http://www.xdcam-user.com/2013/06/raw-is-not-log-log-is-not-raw-they-are-very-different-things/
https://prolost.com/blog/rawvslog

Because, if you want "raw with log" Start saving up and get yourself an Arri, Red or Sony F55 / 65 :D

hope this help
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 05, 2017, 07:20:30 PM
Hi extremelypoorfilmaker, yes I have been reading lots of forums about getting a flat look from RAW and I did realize that the Raw  file is not flat, mlrawviewer even states that they output only sRGB wich is one of the profiles that you can check in this application and is exactly what it looks  when exporting DNGs, but I found this video  this guy turns his Raw file into flat look using ACR in AE, apart to apply changes to his footage, he uses VisionLOG profile, which is what it gives the final flat look. I read lots of forums about VisionLog profile for ACR and it is suppose to be a free profile, but they dont offer it in their website anymore, Can someone please share it? I think is very important to have flat Raw so we can color grade properly. Thank you extremelypoorfilmaker for taking the time to test my footage, and thanks to the forum in advance for the help. Best.
UPDATE: just check in mlrawviewer  that MOV does export the flat look, but I think MOV cant be color grade as advance as DNGs, I mean I think MOV doesnt  store high dinamic range  like DNGs do. Would it be possible for someone to create an application that allows to export DNGs from RAW/MLV with the selected profile ?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hyalinejim on February 06, 2017, 03:05:50 AM
The best solution for log with Magic Lantern is Cinelog, which you can purchase and use in ACR.

There is also a way to get log transcodes from Resolve if you set up your colour management correctly, but I find the quality from ACR is slightly better and worth the incredibly long processing times.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 06, 2017, 05:42:37 AM
hi hyalinejim, thanks for the help. yes i already find the way to convert the DNG sequence to a flat look with ACR so in the end I end up having my flat look DNG sequence that I then can color grade  in  speedgrade or whatever software there is.
This is what I get when exporting with mlrawviewer   http://www.mediafire.com/file/3bolc5g35kbsa03/M03-1429_000000.dng
and this is the flat image I get now  http://www.mediafire.com/file/lxam2wfav8mww51/M03-142900000.dng
Sorry that mediafire cant preview DNG images so you will have to download them. See the huge difference , now it`s usable for color grading. Vignetting , by the way, is cause  for the Fotga ND filter I use.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 06, 2017, 06:09:22 PM
Thanks DeafEyeJedi for the Message showing what cinelog-C can do  :)
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 10, 2017, 05:44:00 PM
Thanks DeafEyeJedi for the Message showing what cinelog-C can do  :)

Adobe Standard:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/344/32698419146_4bc51c91e3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RPrWPm)

Cinelog DCP:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/552/32698418876_bfa4f87a4f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RPrWJG)

Cinelog Rec709:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/312/31895744694_eb64a51ece_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QAw2EE)

Cinelog Rec709 + pushing its limits in ACR:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/409/31895744874_89044fab41_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QAw2HL)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 11, 2017, 01:58:11 AM
Hello, so to close this topic  let me see if I understood correctly. There is no aplication that export direclty the RAW with a Log applied right? I  mean we have to work around  by  importing the already  "graded" exported sequence from MLRAWVIEWER or RAW2CDNG   to  photoshop and apply a flat  profile in order to have the flat look that then you can graded in premier,resolve or speedgrade , right? Im asking because some guy on youtube claims that his footage is exported with a flat look directly from MLRAWVIEWER. I know for a fact that you can export your RAW/MLV files  with a flat  log  but only in MOV prores format.

Another topic, I recently bought my first CF card lexar 64GB 1066x, amazing now I have 1080p 24fps continously record in Raw/MLV format, truly amazing, I already  format the card  to exFAT(I was scared in the process) but everything turned  right :) , but I discover a bug or 3. When recording I discover the amount of  GB left in the card  it`s not updated, I mean it shows for example 59.6GB and after recording RAW/MLV for example 5 minutes, that number doesnt decrease, so I dont know how much space I have left in the CF Card. Also after formatting to exfat , the file manager shows me wrong file sizes, for example I record 2 files , one in raw and one in MLV till the   card runs out but in file manager it shows me The MLV  size is 2.95GB and the Raw File is 365MB while in reality , on windows, the MLV file is 9GB and the RAW file is 46GB. the first bug, the one that doesnt update how many space  I have left in the card is "solved" by restarting the camera, the Bug  in the file manager  doesnt have a solution. Also, since the card is full I have a huge  text in the screen that says  Card 1 full that never dissapear , not sure if this is Magic Lantern related, But when have the Card    full , I cant play  the Raw/MLV files, I click play and it tells me  there is no image, this is a third BUG. this third Bug doesnt happend when the card is not full, I record some raw/mlv files and i can play then as long the card is not full.  I hope these Bugs can be solved , thanks in advance, by the way im using lates ML version for 5d mark iii 1.2.3. Thanks for Magic Lantern :D
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Frank7D on February 11, 2017, 05:21:41 AM
wicq:
"...so I dont know how much space I have left in the CF Card"

The only way I know is to turn the camera off and on again. Then the card space will read correctly.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 11, 2017, 05:30:22 AM
Reported file manager issue some time ago: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issues/2151/filemanager-shows-wrong-file-size-for
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 11, 2017, 05:31:52 AM
Frank7D , yes I know that is the only way to update and know how much space I have left on the CF card, I mentioned it  in my previous post. I just wanted to point it out so it might get  solved  in future releases.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 11, 2017, 05:37:54 AM
Walter Schulz, I have been using ML for almost 2 years  with the t5i but  as a new user  of the 5d mark iii with a cf card and 1080p continuous raw and ML 1.2.3 , I say all these little "bugs" are new to me. I didnt have any bug in my older canon , but with my new canon , i just testing and experience this little Bugs, i dont even consider them bugs but little things to fix in future releases. that issue reported in the link you provide talks about the 4GB size files, so let me add to this  and say that this also happens to more than 4GB files with a CF card with exFAT system. and also the other issues I reported in my previous long comment.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on February 11, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Are you saying these bugs are present on 5D3, but not on T5i/700D (or any other model)? I highly doubt it.

They all require reverse engineering to fix.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 11, 2017, 05:43:14 PM
Hello Alex, I sold my t5i like 2 months ago, but i dont remember to have any  of those issues on the t5i, everytime I recorder raw(that by the way i could only record 12 seconds tops at  20fps and 17xx X 7xx) I always see the card size  updating, never had problems to play raw/mlv  files on camera so   yes, i  didnt had those issues on the t5i, I mean I didnt have any issue at all with the t5i, the only "issue" i had with the t5i is the fact that i only could record RAW/MLV for 12 seconds lowering the fps and not 1080p, that was not good but it`s what I had, I know that is not ML related but camera realted and that is why I purchased the 5d Mark iii. These issues found in the 5d mark iii dont really bother me , I just wanted to pointed them out in case they werent pointed out but as Walter Schulz said with a link, the file manager size card issue was report but 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: extremelypoorfilmaker on February 13, 2017, 01:54:00 AM
Hello, so to close this topic  let me see if I understood correctly. There is no aplication that export direclty the RAW with a Log applied right? I  mean we have to work around  by  importing the already  "graded" exported sequence from MLRAWVIEWER or RAW2CDNG   to  photoshop and apply a flat  profile in order to have the flat look that then you can graded in premier,resolve or speedgrade , right? Im asking because some guy on youtube claims that his footage is exported with a flat look directly from MLRAWVIEWER. I know for a fact that you can export your RAW/MLV files  with a flat  log  but only in MOV prores format.

Why would you make your life so complicated to have a "flat look"? you do not need to have a flat look in order to grade/correct your .dngs! All the info you need it's there, regardless of flat profile OR NOT! :)

If having a "flat profile" it's so vital for you, why do you bother with any of the adobe products in the first place? Edit in resolve and your problem are all solved! :) Only make sure to export 16bit maximised .dngs using one of the many converters that a lot of great people have created, or even quicker, learn to work with .mlv using the mlv FUSE.

In davinci resolve, it's native camera raw plug-in, in the color page, allows you to choose between: 3 different color spaces and 5 different gamma ranges! :)

want this Log so much? Abandon magic lantern and switch to Sony. :D

If working with log footage it's so vital for you, unfortunately you are stuck with exporting .MOV files with a log profile applied to them. Otherwise, seriously, it's counterproductive to import your sequences in adobe camera raw, "flatten them" and export them again. :)
Title: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 13, 2017, 04:33:20 AM
Sounds like Smart Import 2 could be your best friend @wicq!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: reddeercity on February 13, 2017, 06:40:46 AM
If working with log footage it's so vital for you, unfortunately you are stuck with exporting .MOV files with a log profile applied to them. Otherwise, seriously, it's counterproductive to import your sequences in adobe camera raw, "flatten them" and export them again. :)
Really ! you can't be serious right ?  ???
ACR camera raw is the best hands down , anything else is just a poor attempt at raw/color adjustment (thou MLVProducer is the closes I seen to ACR)
And Yes Apple ProRes is the way to go , In fact I backup All my MLV Raw to ProRes4444XQ(linear) (MAC) to Log-C (on PC ProRes4444, Cineform RGB ) then de-log to rec709/sRGB etc..
Save about 35% on storage , The biggest advantage to Flat/Log processing is you are not rendering Black which is large data plus you increase your dynamic range by 1 to 2 stops of light.
if you do it right you should have a perfectly balance image (no clipping, in legal color range). I could go on and on about the benefits of LOG workflow (there's many thread on the matter)
I'll end with it take no longer to work in LOG space then rec709 with far better results.
 
@wicq it looks like your on Windows right ? if so I Highly Recommend MLVProducer (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=15271.msg148538#msg148538)  as I said its the closes to A.E. ACR . You can batch export LOG Tiff's, ProRes,DNxHD-Mov', Jpeg, PNG's .
This is a far better option then Blackmagic Resolve , as is simpler and has better Camera Raw adjustments

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 14, 2017, 03:51:53 AM
@extremelypoorfilmaker, it`s not that is so vital to get a flat look. the thing is that when I record with the 5d mark iii and then play, what I record already looks flat  in camera, no matter if I changed  the picture style, no matter if I exagerate saturation, it always looks the same on camera, it looks FLAT ON CAMERA. so why when exporting with the apps  they looks graded, that is something that always bugged me  when I used my previous canon t5i, I mean it makes no sense that on camera looks flat but the file play on my computer looks graded. By the way MLRAWVIEWER doesnt export 16bit , to my knowledge only RAW2CDNG export to 16bit. Another point you make is about davinci resolve. About 2 years ago when i started to use ML on my t5i , I also discover Davinci resolve that when watching videos on youtube on what you can make with the version  of the app at that time , was amazing, but the reality hit me hard when I discover that it was so dumb software that I have to take like 4 steps just to open a sequence, also it was so slow, im talking about 2 years ago version, I dont know  how is today. So at that time I also discover another app, speed grade, this software was perfect PERFECT very fast with my cheap Nvidia 250gt, seriously FAST, not like that davinci crap, but im talking about Davinci resolve because I do know   Davinci opens Raw directly. I havent try with newer versions of Davinci resolve so my question is, can I use Davinci resolve to import the ML RAW file directly without any convertion? Im sure that recently versions of Davinci Resolve are far less complicated and faster. Before switch to sony I ADD(not switch) black magic ursa mini 4.6, I think Sony doesnt produce Raw, you know I will never come back to codec file formats.

@reddeercity, yes im on windows 7, thanks for the advice, already downloading that app and I will try it.

@DeafEyeJedi, cheking your vimeo video for SmartImport2 ACR

Thanks Guys

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: dmilligan on February 14, 2017, 05:06:54 PM
You are making the mistake of assuming the way the footage "looks" (i.e. "flat" vs "graded") is dependent upon the raw data that is actually there. This is just not true. It is raw data straight off the sensor. You cannot "see" this raw data directly. It must be "developed" before you can even see it.

In camera, ML is doing some simple processing to "develop" the raw data so you can see it. Whatever ML does by default is producing what you would call a "flat look". Then you bring the (exactly the same) data into ACR or whatever on the computer. It uses some default set of parameters to "develop" that raw data to display it to you. Obviously it's algorithms and defaults are different from ML resulting in a different "look". It's still the original raw data being displayed, it has just been processed differently. It doesn't matter that it doesn't look "flat". Simply adjust the raw development parameters to your liking. When you adjust ACR sliders or whatever, the original raw data is reprocessed from scratch. You are not re-grading an already graded image as you seem to think, rather you are starting with some default set of "grading parameters" and modifying them to your liking. Whenever you adjust these parameter the image gets reprocessed from the original raw data (which is more or less impossible to view directly, well, you could but it would appear very dark, it's linear, and there would be a strange looking color grid pattern, the bayer CFA).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wicq on February 14, 2017, 08:50:34 PM
@dmilligan, thanks for that explanation, as I started writing about this few days ago to learn  and know what is what, now I have a much more clear concept about ML raw and post processing, thanks   all of you  guys cause now I know exactly what I needed to know and  now I know what to do, thank you very much and thanks Magic Lantern team For developing such an amazing tool  ;D
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: mothaibaphoto on February 15, 2017, 05:36:24 AM
...Save about 35% on storage...
You can save even more simply by losslessly compressing original DNG. And, more importantly, you don't loose the ability to reprocess raw later, when your skills improved, with better software(raw developing algorithms improves a lot with time).
The biggest advantage to Flat/Log processing is you are not rendering Black which is large data plus you increase your dynamic range by 1 to 2 stops of light.
This statement may be relevant only to capturing Log in camera compared to capturing in rec709. By "processing" already captured raw data you can only loose.
if you do it right you should have a perfectly balance image
Yes, if you set correct WB, Exposure and so on in your raw converter. If not - see my first note, you can't fix it as long as you deleted your raw.
And, finally, you starting with blaming extremelypoorfilmaker for sentence with "stuck with exporting .MOV files with a log profile" but offer the same:
You can batch export LOG Tiff's, ProRes,DNxHD-Mov', Jpeg, PNG's
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: extremelypoorfilmaker on February 18, 2017, 04:47:04 PM
What I tried to say with my previous posts and I failed miserably xD, was exactly what dmilligan said: you might be seeing a flat look on your camera screen and you might be seeing a "graded" image on your editing program of choice, but regardless, all the data captured is there for you to play with! I thought that was implied knowledge everyone is aware of. :)

That's why, wicq, I was so puzzled by your ""obsession"" with having a flat look :D but it was my bad of not being able to explain it properly as dmilligan did.

@mothaibaphoto
xD Thanks for explaining what I AGAIN was unable to do. :)

I believe that the best and fastest way to work with mlv files is using the mlv fuse system/converting to dngs + resolve

About sonyraw. I haven't had the pleasure to work with any .ari files but .mxf sonyraw files are, like.. 16bit.. it's billions of colours *__*
Latest work I did I was grading TIFF screenshot of .MXF sonyraw files in Lightroom, exporting LUTs from my grading and applying them to the footage in resolve for then fine tuning the camera raw parameters.

It felt like playing with clay working with the sonyraw files from the Axs R5 recorder. :D
Still, to me, magic lantern dngs are up there with the standards used by "the bigs".
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: BIPFilms on March 31, 2017, 12:21:41 PM
Hi

My 70D is showing Hack Error (0) when I try to record  RAW can you assist
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: eddytkirk on June 05, 2017, 11:07:02 PM
Hey,

So I'm having trouble enabling raw video for anything more than 1920.

I want to try and shoot 4k but when I select 3520 which is my maximum resolution available it says "3520 is not possible in current video mode (max 1920)"

I've seen in a few remote places of the internet that you need to change the crop mode on the video menu, but I don't even have this option listed.

Any ideas on what to do?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: lostfeliz on June 13, 2017, 07:52:35 AM
@eddytkirk To do this you should be using the latest experimental build. You should have the "Crop mode" set to "3k 1:1". And you need to magnify the preview to 5x. That's what works for me.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hjfilmspeed on June 13, 2017, 08:43:10 PM
@eddytkirk Here is a quick intro to rec 3k on 5d3
UPDATE! This should work with latest build on 6/2/2017
Read in the description for processing tips.
UPDATE! By default, the preview setting is set to auto. when it is set to auto, the preview option is hidden in the advanced menu of the RAW REC/MLV_Lite module. Auto preview should work as well.

Magic Lantern 3072 2.35:1 12 bit Lossless RAW Recording from the CROP_REC_4K build from 4-29-2017
Once you have ML installed and the correct build on your SD card, this video should help you set up your 5DIII to record 3K almost continuously depending on the scene. Remember ML on SD and Rec to CF.
Remember this build is experimental and not for those that are new to ML. Try at your own risk.
 If you have not found a quick way to process your MLVs here is something quick and simple that I recommend:
1) download RAWFlow from here: magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php
2.) download latest MLV_DUMP here: builds.magiclantern.fm/experiments.html
on this page scroll down to the 4k RAW video recording. In that section you should find the Mac or windows version of MLV_DUMP
3.) Unzip and open up RawFlow and delete the MLV_Dump that's in that folder and replace it with newest version of MLV_Dump you just downloaded.
4.) transfer you MLVs from your card into a new folder on you computer.
5) Have the RawFlow folder open then highlight your MLVs and drag and drop them right on the RawFlow app inside that folder.
6) it might ask you for permission to continue. Say yes and it should bring up the command window and start converting to DNGs and placing them in separate folders by clip. RawFlow will place your DNGs in the same folder as the MLVs.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: wasim89 on July 20, 2017, 02:49:14 PM
@hjfilspeed, thank you so much for this tutorial, it really helped a lot.

 I think I saw a video in the forum that was shot on 2k in 50fps using the crop mode, i cant find it again. If its possible, could you please give me instructions on how to settings to shoot that?
Title: Working Preview on Higher Res
Post by: foliovision on August 15, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
What you've done with HD for the Canon 5D Mark III is amazing. I've been doing some test shots and the footage is stunning. I'm taking the footage straight through the Footage app on Mac to CinemaDNG and editing in Resolve.

I'm preparing a dance film now which will use the 1920 HD in this build (binning version with full frame). I'd like to use some 3K as well to be able to finish in a very widescreen format. Unfortunately there's no preview in the 3K which means I can't use it.

I'd be happy to provide a $200 reward for the creators if within the next week a build can be made where there's working smooth preview (could be black and white) for higher resolutions (up to 3K 1 to 1). Is this possible?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 16, 2017, 07:17:49 AM
I'd be happy to provide a $200 reward for the creators

And here we go again ...
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: foliovision on August 20, 2017, 11:07:49 PM
Hi Walter. Evidently I've done something wrong. My shoot has been rescheduled but the reward offer still stands. Not having guide audio is a drag (at least in 1920x1080) but can be overcome with external sound recording and a clapper board. Just like "real" film. No preview at 3K is crippling though - it means only static camera and wide shots are possible in 3K. That's still better than nothing though as often if mixing footage, it's the wide shots where you really want the extra detail for production value.

In any case, if I've done something wrong and there shouldn't be rewards, please let me know. I'm happy to donate $50 just the way it is (I may have donated in the distant past when I first put ML on my camera years ago but without a forum account). It's great work you're doing and I'm extremely grateful.

Alec Kinnear
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Prokopios on October 22, 2017, 05:45:14 PM
So what is the latest update for 5D mark III. Can we shoot continuously 4K at 10 bit??
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Lars Steenhoff on October 22, 2017, 07:03:10 PM
yes and no,

depends on the framerate you need
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Prokopios on October 25, 2017, 10:54:08 AM
The last thing which is on the experiments page is below, is this the latest??


4K raw video recording; lossless compression

crop_rec module with higher resolutions (4K, 1080p48 etc):

5D3:

    1920x960 @ 50p (both 1:1 crop and full-frame - 3x3 pixel binning)
    1920x800 @ 60p (same as above)
    1920x1080 @ 45p and 48p (3x3 binning)
    1920x1920 @ 24p (1:1 square crop)
    3072x1920 @ 24p (1:1 crop)
    3840x1600 @ 24p (1:1 crop)
    4096x2560 @ 12.5p (1:1 crop)
    4096x1440 @ 25p (1:1 crop)
    Full-resolution LiveView: 5796x3870 at 7.4 fps (128ms rolling shutter).
    Continuous: 3072x1308 @ 24p, 1920x1080 @ 45p, 1920x960 @ 50p, 1920x800 @ 60p, 4096x2560 @ 8p, 5796x3870 @ 5p.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Lars Steenhoff on October 25, 2017, 11:13:28 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: phil7 on December 03, 2017, 08:09:50 PM
hi.

I just downloaded latest nightbuilt for canon 5d mk III 1.2.3 and it doesnt record 4k ( i cannot select anythingbigger than HD resolution). What shall I do ? SO I got the Latest Build (2017-10-31 01:12)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: walter_schulz on December 03, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
To enable higher resolutions with nightly you have to enter crop mode by pressing loupe button once. 4k recording is not yet included in NBs because it's experimental.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Kanakori on December 18, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
when using crop_rec 1080p 45/48/50/60fps do I need to enable 720p50/60 mode on canon's menu?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: cabralkev on January 08, 2018, 05:31:40 AM
I'm about to install ML. Is the RAW worth using? I'm worried of burning up the CPU to the camera. Is there a high-temp shutdown if the CPU gets too hot?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Markus on January 16, 2018, 05:36:54 PM
Raw is Intensive on your recording media not on the cpu. Recording compressed video data is more process intensive = hot cpu (though the camera deals with this with dedicated chips that are tasked to handle the compression processing)
Title: How to fix this grain is it possible to do so or not?
Post by: deepaksaini201@gmail.com on May 06, 2018, 07:41:13 AM
hey.. i m getting grain only when i convert mlv to dng using different converters. does anybody know what's the issue?
It's a pre-wedding shoot if you can answer as soon as possible.

Thanks a lot..
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Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ibrahim on June 07, 2018, 03:41:16 AM
With the nightly builds on 5d3 firm. 1.2.3 (respectively the experimental) what will the HDMI signal be in, 14-bit 4:4:4 or 12-bit, if I were to use a external video capture card to transfer the footage to a PC via USB 3.0? I want to video capture the footage and encode it through a live streaming software.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: a1ex on June 07, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
HDMI signal is 8-bit 422 (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/HDMI_Output) and is managed by Canon firmware, not ML.

For low-level details, refer to HDMI I2C communication (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=21573) (that's pretty much all we know about the HDMI chip).

Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ibrahim on June 07, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
So does this imply that there is no point in using a monitor/recoder as odysseyq7+ which can record in 10-bit over HDMI since my HDMI output is only 8-bit?

This product claims to use supersampling which results in a pseudo-10-bit color sampling for improved color reproduction. Does this mean that encoding with this product will result in better quality than the original 8-bit hdmi?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on June 07, 2018, 05:29:57 PM
NO! 8 bit is 8 bit.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: katrikura on June 07, 2018, 06:04:38 PM
I understand that the internal recording of the 5diii is 4-2-0 and the hdmi output is 4-2-2
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on June 07, 2018, 06:29:22 PM
I understand that the internal recording of the 5diii is 4-2-0 and the hdmi output is 4-2-2

Yes but we are disqussing bit depth?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: katrikura on June 07, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
I just wanted to show the difference, in the quality of the hdmi output
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on June 07, 2018, 08:12:45 PM
I just wanted to show the difference, in the quality of the hdmi output

Yes ok, that's true. Just to clearify, both (HDMI, internal Canon H264) is 8 bit. But as you say HDMI is 422 8-bit.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tupp on June 08, 2018, 06:13:35 AM
This product claims to use supersampling which results in a pseudo-10-bit color sampling for improved color reproduction. Does this mean that encoding with this product will result in better quality than the original 8-bit hdmi?
Bit depth can be genuinely increased by binning together adjacent pixel groups.  However, resolution is sacrificed with such a method.

Also, such an increase in bit depth will not improve the color depth, as the color depth of an image can never be increased unless something artificial is added.  Contrary to popular belief, bit depth is not color depth.

Furthermore, artifacts in the original image (such as banding) will remain even if the bit depth is increased.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on June 08, 2018, 10:15:00 AM
Bit depth can be genuinely increased by binning together adjacent pixel groups.  However, resolution is sacrificed with such a method.

Also, such an increase in bit depth will not improve the color depth, as the color depth of an image can never be increased unless something artificial is added.  Contrary to popular belief, bit depth is not color depth.

Furthermore, artifacts in the original image (such as banding) will remain even if the bit depth is increased.

Ok, but if the resolution is the same in a case, color depth and bit depth has the same value. It is if you do this downscale from a image that the value differ.
Don't really get the point of binning pixels? The image will still use the same amount of storage? Say if you go from 1080p 8-bit - to binning pixels and 10-bit?

In film you always talk about bit depth and the image resolution is known, in my world its not wrong as it affect color depth and always get same value if the resolution is the same.

But yes this pixelbinning thing is possible, I understand how it affect bitdepth and color depth if you alter resolution, but why use it? Just because its possible?

"Furthermore, artifacts in the original image (such as banding) will remain even if the bit depth is increased."
Yes and even if the colordepth is increased? If you record your 8-bit signal within a 16-bit file, it won't be better then the original 8-bit/8 bits per channel (color depth).
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Kharak on June 08, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
I think the only way of getting pseudo 10 bit from 8 bit, would be if you did a log conversion e.g. Cinestyle to Log(of your choosing), this can be done with Cinelog colour transforms. Then do noise reduction, particular on the low luminance channel, add fine grain and render to a 10 bit container. Just make sure you are working in a >8 bit space, in after effects set working space to 16 bit.

I've had sone really good results with this method where i mixed h264 with cdng. This method completely removed banding and in resolve i felt that the footage could be pushed more before falling apart. Ofcourse you are not adding any information, but with noise reduction and fine grain it interpolates the colours as to "creating" new colours between two values.

Oh yeah, it helps a lot that you at the same time upscale the footage to make room for the "new" colours.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on June 08, 2018, 11:07:05 AM
I think the only way of getting pseudo 10 bit from 8 bit, would be if you did a log conversion e.g. Cinestyle to Log(of your choosing), this can be done with Cinelog colour transforms. Then do noise reduction, particular on the low luminance channel, add fine grain and render to a 10 bit container. Just make sure you are working in a >8 bit space, in after effects set working space to 16 bit.

I've had sone really good results with this method where i mixed h264 with cdng. This method completely removed banding and in resolve i felt that the footage could be pushed more before falling apart. Ofcourse you are not adding any information, but with noise reduction and fine grain it interpolates the colours as to "creating" new colours between two values.

Oh yeah, it helps a lot that you at the same time upscale the footage to make room for the "new" colours.

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Yes you can use noise reduction to reduce banding... I'am surprised everyday on this forum that some people give tip and have ideas about workflows like this...

Common!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: Kharak on June 08, 2018, 02:06:11 PM
Maybe you should put a list out with everything you know and people can cross check with it before they post.

I was responding to 'pseudo 10 bit' and gave my take on how to get a pseudo 10 bit file from an 8 bit file. Banding removal was one part of that process.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: tupp on June 08, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
Ok, but if the resolution is the same in a case, color depth and bit depth has the same value.
Well, resolution and bit depth are the two, equally-weighted factors of digital color depth.  So, if the value of one of those factors remains constant (resolution, in your case), the color depth will change with the value of the other factor (bit depth, in your case).

Likewise, a 10-bit HD image will have less color depth than a 10-bit 4K image.

Also, an 8-bit 8K image will have more color depth than a 10-bit HD image. 

Don't really get the point of binning pixels? The image will still use the same amount of storage? Say if you go from 1080p 8-bit - to binning pixels and 10-bit?
Yes.  The "storage" required is essentially the color depth of a digital image.

In film you always talk about bit depth and the image resolution is known, in my world its not wrong as it affect color depth and always get same value if the resolution is the same.
Yes.  As acknowledged above, if the resolution remains constant in a digital system, the color depth increases/decreases with a change in bit depth.

However, with actual "film," there is no "bit depth" -- analog film is not digital.  So color depth of actual film comes from resolution (grain size) and from dye/emulsion properties (which, in combination, can be considered the analog "equivalent" of bit depth).

But yes this pixelbinning thing is possible, I understand how it affect bitdepth and color depth if you alter resolution, but why use it? Just because its possible?
In any situation in which one is down-scaling an image (such as the common 4K-to-HD conversion), it makes sense to bin the pixels to retain the color depth (and to also reduce noise and to avoid moire/aliasing).

Yes and even if the colordepth is increased?
The color depth of a digital image can never be increased, unless something artificial is added.

If you record your 8-bit signal within a 16-bit file, it won't be better then the original 8-bit/8 bits per channel (color depth).
Yes.  The image will not improve merely by putting it into a file/system of a higher bit depth.  On the other hand, in doing so you will technically have an image of a higher bit depth.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: ibrahim on June 08, 2018, 05:31:14 PM
NO! 8 bit is 8 bit.

Ok thanks. So basically the successes in 3.5-4K 12-bit (crop mode) will not be able to be transferred through the HMDI.
So there is no use to buy a recording monitor that supports 4K signal other than one that supports 1080p 8-bit to 12-bit 4:2:2 such as the old atomos Ninja 2 or the new blackmagic video assist?
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on June 12, 2018, 10:16:05 PM
Ok thanks. So basically the successes in 3.5-4K 12-bit (crop mode) will not be able to be transferred through the HMDI.
So there is no use to buy a recording monitor that supports 4K signal other than one that supports 1080p 8-bit to 12-bit 4:2:2 such as the old atomos Ninja 2 or the new blackmagic video assist?

Yes exactly. The HDMI will always output a 1080p 8-bit 422 signal.  So saving in a format above those spec would be a waste of storage. 8-bit to 12-bit? 8-bit is 8-bit :)
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: hjfilmspeed on July 27, 2018, 08:09:44 PM
So I just have to say that RAW video on the 5d3 keeps getting better and better. I am still just blown away with 1920x1080p RAW on the 5D3.
My current favorite is:
1920x1080 23.976 14bit Lossless or uncompressed with sound or proxy. Either way, so good!!!

After converting though MLV App™ to DNG I bring the clips into DaVinci Resolve 15. I then use Resolve's color management to change the input and timeline to Canon cinema gamut c-log 2. After that I usually just white balance in the RAW tab on the color page and then just adjust the lift, gamma, gain, contrast and saturation. And boom!!! All those epic canon colors just burst out.

Resolves editing is getting so much better so I have been cutting on right on the timeline with the native DNGs.

Now I am super scared if my 5D3 dies because I am so attached to RAW video. I already opened it up and fixed a loose live view switch. I also had the shutter replaced. I'm contemplating picking up another used 5d3 just in case.

I doubt canon will step up there video game in the suspected mirrorless FF that much. I hope they do but I am not getting my hopes up. I have more faith in the 5dIV getting ML RAW video before any Canon sub $6000 body gets it. Or gets a decent codec.
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: RobinF on September 07, 2018, 03:08:24 PM
Has anyone found the ultimate workflow for stretching compressed footage?

Been filming with a 5diii in 50fps raw with a aspect ratio of 2:35 to 1 in full hd so 1920 x 817 and editing with premiere pro cc 2018
Magic lantern compresses the footage which results in 1920 x 482.

The mlv app does a fantastic job handling mlv files, the option to stretch your image by 1,67 is also included but when exporting in cdng this information is only included as metadata in your cdng sequence and premiere pro doesn't translate this metadata into your imported clip. So when you're previewing a file in your source monitor you see a rather deformed and compressed image which makes it really hard to accurately judge your clip.
You can of course manually stretch your clip once it's in the timeline but this doesn't help the source monitor problem and is quite a lot of unnecessary work.

I'm having quite some difficulties finding a clear answer but I can not believe no one has figured out the optimal workflow for this?

Thanks
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: allemyr on September 07, 2018, 05:02:58 PM
I'm having quite some difficulties finding a clear answer but I can not believe no one has figured out the optimal workflow for this?
Thanks

Hi, not to many people use Premiere Pro directly with CDNG here. Most use Adobe Camera RAW (Lightroom/AfterEffects/Photoshop), MLV App and I use Davinci Resolve. I have a very good workflow for this but thats Resolve, just one click for all slowmotion shot I have in that timeline mixed with 1:1 speed footage.

I'am right now reading thru the raw2cdng app thread for my own purposes and I've read there that PP isn't taking any advantage of the bitdepth of RAW it treats it as a low bit depth footage, that was a post from 2014 tho so things might have change but I know when people work with Red and Arriraw footage they use respective brands raw plugin inside PP to process that.

It might be very hard to find as I said because very few use PP with cdng files. I've used Premiere Pro for many years and worked with a XML round trip between PP and Resolve, but since Resolve got great editing tools some years ago I skip PP now. I don't say you should change app, just explaning why you don't find anything.

In fact MagicLantern isn't squeezing the footage, it the raw feed from the camera that looks like that. I would say that ML 1920x648 is much better looking then the 1280x720 50-60 fps you get without magiclantern, way better!
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: legreve on December 21, 2018, 05:59:34 AM
Has anyone found the ultimate workflow for stretching compressed footage?

Been filming with a 5diii in 50fps raw with a aspect ratio of 2:35 to 1 in full hd so 1920 x 817 and editing with premiere pro cc 2018
Magic lantern compresses the footage which results in 1920 x 482.

The mlv app does a fantastic job handling mlv files, the option to stretch your image by 1,67 is also included but when exporting in cdng this information is only included as metadata in your cdng sequence and premiere pro doesn't translate this metadata into your imported clip. So when you're previewing a file in your source monitor you see a rather deformed and compressed image which makes it really hard to accurately judge your clip.
You can of course manually stretch your clip once it's in the timeline but this doesn't help the source monitor problem and is quite a lot of unnecessary work.

I'm having quite some difficulties finding a clear answer but I can not believe no one has figured out the optimal workflow for this?

Thanks

You should always edit in your desired aspect ratio.... in this case 1:2.39.

You can set your ratio in the sequence prefences before you start your edit. As such.... you shouldnt be using a 16:9 timeline and then try to force it to 21:9 afterwards. Make it 21:9 from the get go.

(This is assuming that the footage from the 5d3 comes out without bars ofc, because honestly I cant remember if it does :) )
Title: Re: Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
Post by: timbytheriver on February 22, 2019, 11:37:24 AM
I just bought a 5D3 1.2.3 and was wondering whether it is essential to format the CF card to exFAT? What are the advantages? Does this mean that when I need to reformat the card it needs to be done on my mac?

I don't remember ever bothering with exFAT on my 5D2 – and it's been running ML raw for years without a hiccup! :)

Sorry if wrong place to post – I can't find a definitive answer by searching!

Many thanks.

Tim