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Using Magic Lantern => Raw Video => Topic started by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 04:46:30 PM

Title: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 04:46:30 PM
This original post is now outdated.

See:
Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0 (mlv_rec.mo) (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0)
MLV Lite (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16650.0)
Crop mode recording (crop_rec.mo) (1:1, RAW/H.264, 25/30/50/60 fps) (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17021.0)
crop_rec on steroids: 3K, 4K, 1080p48, full-resolution LiveView (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=19300.0)

Updated September 26th 2013

Before you try this you may want load up on the most recent compile!!

Nightly builds with Raw recording support
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6362.0

1. Make sure you have CF card selected.
2. Switch your camera to video mode (flip the video lever), focus your subject and adjust for the scene .  Works in M, AV, TV modes.
3. Select the 60 fps  video specification from Canon Menu by pressing Q button.
4. Use the Joy stick to move and make "blue" the video mode.
5. Scroll through the videos to 1280 60fps.
6. Press half shutter to return to Live View.
  [b]If you have not loaded the raw_rec module then:[/b]
7. Press trash button and go to Modules Tab using your joystick or scroll wheel.   (It is an icon with four little squares)
8. Use the scroll wheel or joystick to highlight the raw_rec module and then press the set button to enable it.
9. Reboot the camera, then press trash button and if the module loaded correctly you will see it in bright white with a green dot on the left.
10. Scroll to Movie Tab with the small scroll wheel or joystick and then scroll to [b]Raw video[/b] with the large scroll wheel or joystick.  The Raw Video should be OFF.
11. Enable RAW video by pressing the Set Button.  Look at the video settings and also look near the bottom of the screen for information about CF speed requirements to meet current fps and frame size.
12. Press Q and Set to chose the appropriate Resolution, or use the little scroll wheel to scroll from available options.  If your card is not fast enough then select acceptable resolutions.  Remember to look at the bottom of the screen to see how resolution affect card speed requirements.
13. Scroll to Aspect ratio 16:9 is the default.  You can scroll with the little wheel or press Set to change it.  By changing the aspect ratio the camera chooses an appropriate video height.  Some heights are not the most common ones but these combinations offer better writing speeds.  You may have to crop your video in post.
[color=red]14. (AUDIO NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, USE EXTERNAL RECORDER-->)[/color] [s]If you want to record audio (wav file to SD card) scroll to Sound and select Separate [b]WAV[/b], or [b]sync beep[/b], or [b]OFF[/b][/s]
14. [b]Preview: Auto[/b].  Press [b]Set [/b]to change it to: Canon, [b]ML Grayscale[/b], [b]Hacked [/b](see note 6)
15. [b]Digital dolly: OFF[/b] On to allow the recording area to scroll from left-to-right or up-down during cropped video or when recording at smaller resolutions then max (1920x1080)  Use the Joystick to control the direction of the scroll.
16. [b]Frame skipping: OFF[/b] To continue recording even if skips frames then scroll to and select [b]Allow[/b].
17. [b]Card warm-up: OFF[/b] Press set to select a warm-up file size when camera boots.  Some speed improvements obtained.
18. [b]Memory hack: OFF[/b]. Press Set to on  This frees up more memory to get extra frames in the buffer.
19. [b]Small hacks: OFF[/b] to improve the use of memory to increase recording buffer.
20.  [b]Playback [/b]  After recording a RAW file you can preview it by coming back to this menu and scroll to Playback selection and pressing [b]Set[/b].
21. Press [b]Q[/b] and then move to [b]Overlay[/b] and set [b]Global Draw[/b] to [b]OFF[/b].  See note 7.
22. To get back to LV just press trash button or half shutter.
22. To start and stop recording press the LV button
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Option for 50 fps recording:[/b][/size]

23. Move to the Movie tab and select FPS override with the scroll wheel.  (see note below)
24. Press the Q button
25. Change the Desired FPS to 50 using the small (top) scroll wheel.
26. Move to the Optimize for with the large scroll wheel.
27. Change to Exact FPS with the small scroll wheel.
28. Press the Q button and then press the Set button (on the center of the large scroll wheel) to enable FPS override
29. Now FPS should read 50.

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Note 6. [b] Canon [/b]preview is standard full color, [b]ML Grayscale[/b] is in B&W and also shows the video in its final cropped view (used for framing),[b] Hacked[/b] is special fast hack to increase card writing speed at the expense of freezing Live View.

Note 7.  If you set Global Draw OFF you will loose histogram, zebras, etc.  But you will gain speed.  In some cases Global ON is more likely to get pink frames since CPU is working very hard, and also consumes much more power.
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[size=12pt][b]VERY IMPORTANT[/b][/size]

Make sure that in Canon Menu:
Image Quality = Raw
Auto Lighting Optimizer = OFF
Long exp. noise reduction = OFF
High ISO spee NR = OFF
Higthlight tone priority = OFF
Multiple Exposure = Disable
HDR Mode = Disagle HDR
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[size=12pt][b]Other technical aspects:[/b][/size]

The frames recorded at 60 fps are squashed and need to be corrected in post.  This is a Canon sensor property that cannot be changed.  Probably to sample the sensor at 60 fps it can only be done skipping some lines therefore the image is squashed, not at full resolution, and with aliasing.
The height stretch factor is approximately = 1.67
That means 1440x480 should be stretched to 1440x790 to look correct.

On a 1000X 32gb Lexar can get:
1440x480 at 60 fps --> When stretch it becomes 1440x803 very close to 16:9
1600x540 at 50 fps (using FPS Override) --> stretced to 1140x903

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Quick and dirty Post Processing Guide:

[b]60fps -- RAW video Post-Processing Workflow[/b]
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5538.0


Since the quality of RAW is so good, maybe these videos could upres to ???x???.  I have not tested this yet!

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Here you can see some frame grabs from standard RAW video compared with 60 fps (stretched) and Canons 60 fps.
The RAW version is an improvement over Canons but not as good as standard RAW.
So the stretching does some damage!!!  I dont know if it is possible to get 60fps non squashed video!!

[img]http://s20.postimg.org/mhnxnv8vh/RAW_vs_Streched_vs_MOV.jpg[/img]


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OTHER HELPFUL LINKS:

To help the DEVS and everybody it would be a good idea if specific RAW video issues are discussed in a separate thread based on the camera under discussion.

5D3  Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III
HERE:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5473.0

5D2  Raw video on 5DMK2
HERE:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5419.0

600D Uncompressed 600D Raw Video
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5494.0

6D 6D + Raw thread (with instillation guide)
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5530.msg37766#msg37766

650D I dont see a specific RAW video thread.  Should there be one??  Anyone care to propose so I can update this message?


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Magic Lantern Best Practices:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/bestpractices

How to install Magic Lantern on 5D Mark III
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2602.0

Where to get Canon Firmware 1.1.3 (Windows version)  for sure:
HERE: http://pel.hu/eoscard/

Where to get Canon Firmware 1.1.3 (Mac version) for sure:
HERE: http://hdslr.com.br/2012/06/20/atualizacao-de-firmware-para-5d-mark-iii-versao-1-1-3/

How to install Magic Lantern on 5D Mark III
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2602.0

Where to get Canon Firmware 1.1.3 for sure:
HERE: http://pel.hu/eoscard/

Where to get Compiled Nightly Builds?
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.0

All questions regarding RAW VIDEO POST PROCESSING on any OS
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0

All questions regarding RAW_REC MODULE COMPILATION/INSTALLATION/USAGE
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5405.0

Card benchmark - what's the optimal write buffer size?
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.0

Supported 1000x CF cards for continuous RAW recording
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5391.0

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Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: a1ex on May 17, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
QuoteCANON SHOULD GIVE YOU A MILLION BUCKS, JUST FOR STARTERS.

Looks like Sony did the same to Hotz... sort of :P

http://www.tssznews.com/2011/01/13/court-docs-sony-sent-1-donation-to-hotz/
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 06:34:10 PM
Ha Ha..  I think in this case Canon will profit from new equipment sales so you might get a fatter paycheck.. At least more than one buck!
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: squig on May 17, 2013, 06:42:58 PM
They've got a few C cameras that need fixing.
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: squig on May 17, 2013, 06:42:58 PM
They've got a few C cameras that need fixing.

Ha.. Ha.. That is so funny.

Now if Canon is really smart they should pay ML team to develop new ML for C models and 1Dx.

Next Canon Firmware update comes from ML!
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: Okello on May 17, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
What's funny is the people that choose the D800 over the 5D Mk3. They called it useless and over priced. I can all most feel their regrets.

If this feature means we can shoot 14 bit Raw 1080 at 60fps/50fps then the 5D MK3 is going to be around for a long long time, well until canon release a Dslr that shoots 14 bit Raw 1080 60/50fps for 3K. I am sorry but even at 14-bit Raw 1080 and 2k 24/25fps is phenomenal for Dslr that only cost 3K. The image quality is comparable to high end production cameras that cost 20k+

The future is bright, the future is Magic Lantern.

;D
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 07:40:59 PM
For now I am getting distorted (squashed) frames at 60 fps.  I can stretched them back to original ratio but sure hope this can be fixed at some point.

For example if I set the RAW resolution to 1280x672 (which is the closest allowed to match the canon 1280x720) the frames come out at 1280x672 but have to be re-sized to 1280x960 to look normal.  Of course at this size I only get 250 frames before it skips.

Also if I press the zoom button the video gets recorded at 29.9.. fps and does not need stretching.
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: a1ex on May 17, 2013, 07:58:57 PM
Zoom is a separate mode, always 30fps.
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: 1% on May 17, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
Overrides on 600D (I think ) and 6D for sure.. 5d3?
Title: Re: RAW video in VIDEO MODE for 5D3 for 60 fps
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 17, 2013, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: 1% on May 17, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
Overrides on 600D (I think ) and 6D for sure.. 5d3?

On 5D3 I used FPS override with zoom but does not work.  Got some black frames at 57. fps
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Rush on May 19, 2013, 08:02:43 AM
QuoteThe frames recorded at 60 fps are squashed and need to be corrected in post.

Can you calculate how squashed are frames? For 600D height needs to be upscaled to 166%. Interested in 5D Mark III height upscale.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 19, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
Will do later today..

Update.... Done =  1.6473 multiplier or 164.7 %
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: core_32 on May 19, 2013, 08:52:12 PM
Sorry to bother you guys but did anyone tested 60p yet? I didn't found a sample on the web.
It seems to me that 720p 60p RAW can be nicely scaled up into 1080p 60p. The only doubt for me is the moire/aliasing behavior at 720p.
Any information would be greatly appreciated!

According to some test I ran, on 1000X 32GB Lexar the largest frame size for continuous recording for 60 fps is 1440x480.  Now this image is squeezed and has to be stretched to 1440x790 to have the proper stretch.  That is a 1.6473 multiplier!

The strange thing is that the write speed to the card is significantly reduced for this process.  For example the Lexar 1000x is capable of 85 MB/s.  BUT at 60 fps the camera maxes out at recording speeds of 69 MB/s and starts skipping frames after that!

The DNG files are 1.19 megs each x 60 = 71.4 MB/s.  Something does not add up (multiply) correctly.  HELP
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DjJuvan on May 20, 2013, 12:16:16 AM
Maybe twice as many files to write and CF card can't handle it?
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
The strange thing is that the write speed to the card is significantly reduced for this process.

This is where the hacked mode kicks in ;)
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 20, 2013, 12:34:30 AM
Indeed!  I went from 1440x480 to 1440x540!  That is amazing, I hope that LV is enabled during Hack3D some day.

I am running some test to report speed improvements of Hack3D.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Rush on May 20, 2013, 12:44:05 AM
So 16:9 1460x820(500) 60p can be achieved with 5D3? Nice.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: anchoricex on May 20, 2013, 07:51:58 PM
So this thing can do 60fps raw? Which means there's no reason it shouldn't be able to do regular ol' H.264 1080p @ 60fps... right? Or am I missing something and this is already achievable with ML?

Thank you for the writeup!
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: anchoricex on May 20, 2013, 11:42:06 PM
Also what is the best method of "re-stretching" the picture? Complete that step in whatever video editing suite you use (Avid, PP, FCPX) ?
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 01:08:59 AM
Good question for a New Topic in the Post-processing Workflow.  I will make one if anyone cares to contribute:

60fps -- RAW video Post-Processing Workflow

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5538.msg38022#msg38022
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: 1% on May 21, 2013, 01:32:37 AM
QuoteI am running some test to report speed improvements of Hack3D.

Can't have it with LV on.. it works by disabling LV.

QuoteWhich means there's no reason it shouldn't be able to do regular ol' H.264 1080p @ 60fps... right?

Sure there is... it just can't process that fast. We're not doing anything to the image. H264 has already been tried., it starts jerking above a certain fps.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Khoi on May 21, 2013, 05:39:56 AM
I'm not sure why this isn't getting any more hype!

I have yet to see any samples, does anyone have any they would be able to take so I can play with the workflow before I try the build?

I'm still awaiting my 1000x CF card to ship before I can try this out, but I'm dying to see it and use it in action
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: core_32 on May 21, 2013, 01:38:35 PM
I'm too desperately waiting for the 60p RAW sample. Everyone seems to be obsessed trying to reach the maximum resolution with 24p forgetting the beauty of slow-motion   :-\
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Unfortunately I have very slow bandwidth so I will post some frame examples which I was planning to test.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 02:47:57 PM
Ok, I have posted some frame grabs on first post here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5472.msg36346#msg36346

There is a fair amount of quality loss due to the squashed image, but  it is definitely better that canons.

I dont know if someday we will have 60fps NON SQUASHED image, I am not a DEV.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Khoi on May 21, 2013, 05:27:48 PM
Thanks for that sample, that's still a significant improvement over the standard Canon image.

Once I get my card here later in the week, I'll host some clips for people to experiment with, if no one's uploaded any yet.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: tihon on May 21, 2013, 05:48:21 PM
Do you think that the interface can handle 135.3MB/s ( Blackmagic style 2.5K raw @ 2560 x 1320 /24p) if there is a cf x1500 card?

Not all cameras with sd slot can  write on the maximum speed. What it the maximum  write speed to the cf do you think?
Thanks!
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: core_32 on May 21, 2013, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 02:47:57 PM
Ok, I have posted some frame grabs on first post here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5472.msg36346#msg36346

There is a fair amount of quality loss due to the squashed image, but  it is definitely better that canons.

I don't know if someday we will have 60fps NON SQUASHED image, I am not a DEV.
Thanks for that.
Sure the image is better than the canons but I'm a little concerned about the "stair stepping" at the upper-right part of your example. This had probably caused by "squashing". But may be that's not such a big deal, will see...
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: core_32 on May 21, 2013, 06:37:38 PM
I'm a little concerned about the "stair stepping" at the upper-right part of your example. This had probably caused by "squashing". But may be that's not such a big deal, will see...

I looked at original images.  This is pixelation due to extensive cropping (300%) of the image to show the real details.  It also shows on STD RAW image but gets removed with little Unsharp mask.  While in the stretched mode it does not get removed as much.

Those little hairs are 3 to 4 pixels in width.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: core_32 on May 21, 2013, 07:08:21 PM
Good to know. Thanks.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: AndreasK on May 22, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
Uhm just a stupid question. Why is 60p such a strange crop/stretched? If I choose a low resolution and do 25p it takes a crop in the right aspect ratio, if I select 50p it takes all height? Any reason for that?
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: anchoricex on May 22, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
Hope devs are taking a good look at this. Anyone have any video samples up ? Anyone tried to scale it to 1080 or would that bastardize the picture too much?

I wonder if the different video editing programs stretch differently. OP, what program did you use to stretch the images you included?
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 22, 2013, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: anchoricex on May 22, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
Hope devs are taking a good look at this. Anyone have any video samples up ? Anyone tried to scale it to 1080 or would that bastardize the picture too much?

I wonder if the different video editing programs stretch differently. OP, what program did you use to stretch the images you included?

Photoshop
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 22, 2013, 08:41:15 PM
Due to the stretching we need some strange frame heights to come up with 16:9 aspect ratio.  here is a list:

720x400 = 720x 239 (240 stretches to 400 when multiplied by 1.67 aprox)
960x540 = 960x322
1280x720 = 1280x430
1320x740 = 1320x442
1440x810 = 1440x484
1600x900 = 1600x538
1720x960 = 1720x574
1880x1060 = 1880x633
1920x1080 = 1920x645

Ok so if the stretch ratio (1.674) does not change then we could make use of 239, 322,430, 442, 484, 538, 574, 633, and 645 pixels for frame height.

I tried adding this myself but got errors so we need, when time is available, to have some help from our DEVs.

Thanks for all of this wonderful stuff you are providing us.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: anchoricex on May 22, 2013, 09:06:06 PM
This is exciting because this could potentially eliminate my insatiable want for 1080p h264 60fps. The 720 60fps raw should be ideal as far as quality goes (hopefully there's a solution for the stretch. devs, halp!). Not too butthurt about moire at 720.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: a1ex on May 22, 2013, 09:16:55 PM
Magic Lantern is not designed to replace Photoshop ;)
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 22, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
Quote from: a1ex on May 22, 2013, 09:16:55 PM
Magic Lantern is not designed to replace Photoshop ;)

You are Right!  Some of the videos with the current (height) selection are close enough that will require small crops after the stretching. 

But there are some of them that could be interesting such us:

1320x740  requires a height of 442.  The closest we have is 360 or 480. 

If we chose 360 it does not work because when properly stretched it only gives 600.  So the video aspect ratio is not 16:9
If we choose 480 it stretches to 480x1.674 = 803 and the video is 1320x803 which can be cropped to 1320x740.   BUT!!!!
We are struggling to get the writing speed fast enough to do this, of course depending on card speed.

So we have 1320x740 with 480 as height requires 63.3 MB/sec

While 1320x740 with 442 would require 52.8 MB/s.

If you are developing Hacks to boost the speed, then it would make sense in some of these places to add the need height to lower the required writing speed.

The special cases that I have identified that could benefit from this are:

1280x720  the writing speed would decrease from 61.4 to 55 which is an 11.6% decrease
1320x740  the writing speed would decrease from 63.3 to 58.5which is an  8.2% decrease
1720x960  the writing speed would decrease from 115.6 to 99.4 which is an 16.2% decrease
1880x1060 the writing speed would decrease from 126.3 to 118.7 which is an 6.3% decrease
1920x1080  the writing speed would decrease from 129.8 to 124.6 which is an 4.2% decrease

Given that many struggle for writing speed then this might be worth the trouble.

Thanks for listening
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: s---70 on May 26, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Hey there, this stuff looks very promising! Is there any example video of the 5Dmk3 shooting 60 fps RAW? I've searched everywhere but found nothing.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: GR Productions on May 27, 2013, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: s---70 on May 26, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Hey there, this stuff looks very promising! Is there any example video of the 5Dmk3 shooting 60 fps RAW? I've searched everywhere but found nothing.
no, nothing here is for real, its for donations
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 27, 2013, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: GR Productions on May 27, 2013, 06:27:57 PM
no, nothing here is for real, its for donations

You have been warned!!!  No more comments like this!!  This is all for real and many people have put thousands of hour of work to make it happen.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 28, 2013, 03:23:16 AM
Quote from: Gwydien on May 28, 2013, 03:07:25 AM
Nothing happens when i press the trash button after going back to live view, and what is the M-tab?

It appears that you do not have ML installed.  M tab is the Modules tab where you load RAW video Module.

Go back and read:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

Also this is a forum about 60fps RAW video and not a beginners question and answer forum. 

Now I am issuing a Warning.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: hjfilmspeed on June 01, 2013, 06:42:24 PM
Quote from: GR Productions on May 27, 2013, 06:27:57 PM
no, nothing here is for real, its for donations

Then why is there no way of donating right now. Think before you post. These guys are working incredibly hard and i assure you its all real!!! continuous full frame 1920x1080 at 24p for 3400... I dont know any cam on the market is doing that. They should be charging never mind donations. Im sorry but that was rude GR. ML and there team is amazing. Ive been shooting raw for a week now. 60fps raw is working too and is better then canon h.264. write speeds and stretching are a little tricky but thats it. THANK YOU ML!!!!!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: core_32 on June 04, 2013, 05:05:22 PM
Finally a 50p example, though it tells almost nothing about the quality.
https://vimeo.com/67612554
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: lostincode on June 05, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
I'm jumping on the bandwagon a little late, but I gave it a go here is my test

https://vimeo.com/67714338
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: core_32 on June 06, 2013, 01:36:58 AM
Quote from: lostincode on June 05, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
I'm jumping on the bandwagon a little late, but I gave it a go here is my test

https://vimeo.com/67714338
Now this is nice! Thank you.
Getting 5d3 now!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Videoshooter on June 10, 2013, 12:15:25 PM
Hi guy's,

Really interested to know more about the 60p RAW mode, as this could be one of my main reasons for buying a 5DmkIII. Currently I have a 5DmkII & a 60D and have tested the RAW on both of those but now am considering the jump up to the mkIII.

I've read about the stretch factor and that's not really too bothersome for me, though I'm interested to see how many frames people are getting at different resolutions -- say, 1600x900 (1600x538?) for example? I don't need continuous recording, only bursts from 5-15 seconds. Is anybody getting anywhere near this length shooting at resolutions higher than 1280x720 (1280x430)? And how much difference does it make changing the fps from 60 down to 50? I suppose anything upwards of 300 consecutive frames would be useful to me.

Also regarding the crop factor, does the 60p mode use the full sensor area at 1280x430, the same as the the stock h.264 720p60, or does it use only a cropped area of the sensor, like all the smaller frame sizes do in 24p RAW mode? If it's cropped, it would be roughly equivalent to APS-C or super-35 image size, correct?

And one last question - on the 60D, when shooting regular h.264 with Magic Lantern using FPS override, you can over-crank slightly to 65fps. Is this option available on the 5DmkIII with ML, and does it work with RAW shooting as well? Obviously this would increase the write speed but like I said before, I'm only chasing short bursts - and am willing to drop the res below 1280x430 for selected shots if I get a few extra FPS.

Thanks in advance for all your help!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Danne on June 10, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: Videoshooter on June 10, 2013, 12:15:25 PM

I've read about the stretch factor and that's not really too bothersome for me, though I'm interested to see how many frames people are getting at different resolutions -- say, 1600x900 (1600x538?) for example?

I can get continuing recording with 1600x544 with a 5d mark 3 and 50fps enabled. The picture is much better than with canon h.264 algorithm. I then stretch it back to 1600x864 in after effects. I use a transcend 1000x 64gb card and a 5d mark 3
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on June 10, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: Videoshooter on June 10, 2013, 12:15:25 PM

Also regarding the crop factor, does the 60p mode use the full sensor area at 1280x430, the same as the the stock h.264 720p60, or does it use only a cropped area of the sensor, like all the smaller frame sizes do in 24p RAW mode? If it's cropped, it would be roughly equivalent to APS-C or super-35 image size, correct?

And one last question - on the 60D, when shooting regular h.264 with Magic Lantern using FPS override, you can over-crank slightly to 65fps. Is this option available on the 5DmkIII with ML, and does it work with RAW shooting as well? Obviously this would increase the write speed but like I said before, I'm only chasing short bursts - and am willing to drop the res below 1280x430 for selected shots if I get a few extra FPS.

1. The max I can get at 1600x is 700 to 800 frames at 60 fps with all the cracks enabled.

2. It is the standard video, so there is no crop factor.

3.  I can only get 62 fps with FPS Override cranked to 65

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Danne on June 10, 2013, 02:12:21 PM
Just finished a small help about resizing clips in adobe after effects


Thanks!
//D
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Videoshooter on June 10, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: Danne on June 10, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
I can get continuing recording with 1600x544 with a 5d mark 3 and 50fps enabled. The picture is much better than with canon h.264 algorithm. I then stretch it back to 1600x864 in after effects. I use a transcend 1000x 64gb card and a 5d mark 3


Thanks! I'll likely be getting the same card, so it's good to know! Have you tried shooting 50p at an even higher res than that at all?

I feel like 1600x544 would be a really good middle ground - scalable up to 1080p without too much quality loss, or scaled down for sharp, over-sampled 720p.

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on June 10, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
1. The max I can get at 1600x is 700 to 800 frames at 60 fps with all the cracks enabled.

2. It is the standard video, so there is no crop factor.

3.  I can only get 62 fps with FPS Override cranked to 65



Thanks Renato, what cards are you using?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on June 10, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
I use Lexar 1000X 32GB

At 1728x606 50 fps, I can get 250 to 350 frames with standard settings.
Continuous recording with hacks enabled.   :)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Danne on June 10, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: Videoshooter on June 10, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Thanks! I'll likely be getting the same card, so it's good to know! Have you tried shooting 50p at an even higher res than that at all?

I feel like 1600x544 would be a really good middle ground - scalable up to 1080p without too much quality loss, or scaled down for sharp, over-sampled 720p.

Thanks Renato, what cards are you using?

Played around a little
1728x512 continuously 50fps

1600x544 continuously 50fps

1728x544 continuesly with hacked liveview on 50fps

1600x576 continuously 48fps
1728x544 continuously 48fps

I,m using a transcend 1000x card 64gb


Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Videoshooter on June 11, 2013, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on June 10, 2013, 01:54:47 PM

2. It is the standard video, so there is no crop factor.



Just to clarify (I should've specified this in my original question!) - does the FOV/crop factor remain the same (ie the full sensor) regardless of the resolution setting? So is there any FOV differencce between 1280x and 1600x?

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: a1ex on June 11, 2013, 02:39:30 PM
There is a cropmark on the screen, it shows the FOV.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on June 11, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: Videoshooter on June 11, 2013, 02:35:31 PM
Just to clarify (I should've specified this in my original question!) - does the FOV/crop factor remain the same (ie the full sensor) regardless of the resolution setting? So is there any FOV differencce between 1280x and 1600x?

At 1920x1080 the image covers the standard full video image of the camera. 
At 1280x720 the image is cropped to 1280x720, so the image does not remain the same.  In other words the full image is not re-sized, it is cropped so FOV changes.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Videoshooter on June 13, 2013, 09:53:41 AM
Okay - so just like in 1080p mode, the lower the resolution, the greater the crop?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: budafilms on June 13, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
5D Mark III: I´ve seen, at 1920 x 1080 is the size between black bars. I mean, in the white box. There is a crop in relation to the sensor proportion?
So 1920 x 1152 include the entire of the image, 1:1?

I need to know if FULL HD (1920 x 1080) video has the proportion of the image sensor of 5d MARK III.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on June 13, 2013, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: budafilms on June 13, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
I need to know if FULL HD (1920 x 1080) video has the proportion of the image sensor of 5d MARK III.

No, image sensor is aprox. 36x24 mm, aspect ratio 3:2  (information from Canon manual)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 13, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: budafilms on June 13, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
5D Mark III: I´ve seen, at 1920 x 1080 is the size between black bars. I mean, in the white box. There is a crop in relation to the sensor proportion?
So 1920 x 1152 include the entire of the image, 1:1?

I need to know if FULL HD (1920 x 1080) video has the proportion of the image sensor of 5d MARK III.

1920x1280 (supported by ML) is the (scaled) full sensor.  To use it, set your resolution to 1920 and your aspect ratio to 3:2.  You may or may not be able to record it on a 1000x card reliably.  I've been able to get 1920x1152 to work reliably, but 1920x1280 is more like rolling dice.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Shield on June 13, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
I see a few of you are shooting 50FPS - what size has been reliable for us NTSC 60p people?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: primemultimedia on June 16, 2013, 03:24:07 PM
Just thinking, I might be way off, but is it possible to record in a squashed/anamorphic aspect ratio to avoid stretching and induce shrinking instead? So instead of recording 16:9 we record 9:16 ( or whatever delivers best results ).
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: NateVolk on June 17, 2013, 04:36:51 AM
Did some testing today, I think that the digital crop at 1:1 does not squish the 60fps RAW files.  Have to double check my field notes...
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: s---70 on June 29, 2013, 02:37:13 AM
All you people with 5d3s, PLEASE post some examples! I don't understand why everybody keeps posting their crappy 24p tests but I think I've seen only one video shot in 50p RAW (something on a beach but I can't find it anymore). This seems to be a huge improvement in sharpness over the h264 720p. The 50p quality kinda is a decision maker for me to get a 5d3, if I buy one first thing I'll do is post many many example videos ;-)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: t2scorp on June 30, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: s---70 on June 29, 2013, 02:37:13 AM
All you people with 5d3s, PLEASE post some examples! I don't understand why everybody keeps posting their crappy 24p tests but I think I've seen only one video shot in 50p RAW (something on a beach but I can't find it anymore). This seems to be a huge improvement in sharpness over the h264 720p. The 50p quality kinda is a decision maker for me to get a 5d3, if I buy one first thing I'll do is post many many example videos ;-)

I'm also very interested in 50/60p and replace my 5dII the next few days. I can't promise to make a video within the next week. but I want to test the 50/60p feature
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: jaybirch on June 30, 2013, 04:22:56 PM
I'll upload a sample soon. The quality is better than the standard h264 1080/24p .. and with a bit of post sharpening, cuts in well with the 1080/24p Raw.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: core_32 on July 01, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: jaybirch on June 30, 2013, 04:22:56 PM
I'll upload a sample soon. The quality is better than the standard h264 1080/24p .. and with a bit of post sharpening, cuts in well with the 1080/24p Raw.
Thanks. I'm really interested in this.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: noix222 on July 02, 2013, 07:29:40 AM
Quote from: s---70 on June 29, 2013, 02:37:13 AM
All you people with 5d3s, PLEASE post some examples! I don't understand why everybody keeps posting their crappy 24p tests but I think I've seen only one video shot in 50p RAW (something on a beach but I can't find it anymore). This seems to be a huge improvement in sharpness over the h264 720p. The 50p quality kinda is a decision maker for me to get a 5d3, if I buy one first thing I'll do is post many many example videos ;-)

60 fps  :-X

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DjJuvan on July 03, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
I would like to some good examples of 1080p/50fps, because anything I tried recording, I get so much aliasing, that it's a useless fotage.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Videoshooter on July 04, 2013, 09:29:44 AM
It's hard to get any real idea of the cameras RAW ability from that clip - it's shot at dusk so the combination of noise and really shallow DOF makes is very difficult to actually judge the resolution.

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: s---70 on July 04, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
yeah, if someone shot a brickwall with it, that'd be great...

DjJuvan, could you show us some of your clips where you get aliasing? If it is really that bad I might reconsider buying a mark 3.

I just found another video shot in 50fps, which looks really good in my opinion. Maybe that's because it was shot at a resolution that only allows 4 second bursts:

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: jaybirch on July 04, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
I have some test footage coming today, shot at about f11... so you will get an idea of sharpness at deep DOF.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: jaybirch on July 04, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
Here you go:

https://vimeo.com/69690120

I don't have a Vimeo Pro account, but you can download the .mov here:
http://www.stylecreative.net/uploads/slomo.mov


Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DjJuvan on July 04, 2013, 05:34:55 PM
On which build of ML was this shoot?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: jaybirch on July 04, 2013, 05:57:24 PM
Latest (27th?)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: s---70 on July 05, 2013, 07:21:26 AM
thanks, that looks very nice!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: XxJessusxX on July 09, 2013, 05:48:32 AM
Does this work with the 5D2?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DarienX on July 09, 2013, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: s---70 on June 29, 2013, 02:37:13 AM
All you people with 5d3s, PLEASE post some examples! I don't understand why everybody keeps posting their crappy 24p tests but I think I've seen only one video shot in 50p RAW (something on a beach but I can't find it anymore). This seems to be a huge improvement in sharpness over the h264 720p. The 50p quality kinda is a decision maker for me to get a 5d3, if I buy one first thing I'll do is post many many example videos ;-)

I got some test in differents resolution and framerates (and with a beautifull model also!), I also did a test with 2 other girls at 1920x500 on 50 fps continuous!, it looks gorgeus, i will post them soon

http://vimeo.com/69790271
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DjJuvan on July 10, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
yes, lovely lady, but soooooo much noise in the background that my eyes hurt.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: Toffifee on July 11, 2013, 01:58:50 AM
Why is it not possible to shoot unsquashed?


I have been searching around the forums and found no answer to this.
The only thing I found is a comment by RenatoPhoto
      "I dont know if someday we will have 60fps NON SQUASHED image, I am not a DEV."


What is the possibilities for shooting unsquashed and not loosing the quality?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: t2scorp on July 11, 2013, 08:20:32 AM
Finally got my 5D MK III

Here my results with the latest build. 27thJune 1000x Komputerbay 64GB
Mode: M
Small hacks: On
Memory hack: On
Global Draw: Off

1920x672 @ 50fps / 360f @ 87MB/s
1920x672 @ 60fps / 166f @ 78MB/s

@60fps 1472x516 (16/9) continuous
@60fps 1600x560 (16/9) continuous
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: bp on July 12, 2013, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: DjJuvan on July 10, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
yes, lovely lady, but soooooo much noise in the background that my eyes hurt.

I can't seem to force myself to concentrate on the background. Odd
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DarienX on July 13, 2013, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: DjJuvan on July 10, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
yes, lovely lady, but soooooo much noise in the background that my eyes hurt.

Oh Sorry, forgot to advice, this was a graded version, I added a film grain. When i get the chance I will upload an ungraded comparison between the H264 and RAW (yup, I got to tell the model to do her thing twice).
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DjJuvan on July 13, 2013, 01:25:15 PM
DarienX, that would be great! (aren't the models payed for their acting/posing, even they have to same things over and over again?)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: anchoricex on July 22, 2013, 05:32:48 AM
Am I reading this funny or are some of you actually getting 50-60fps continuous without the buffer stopping ?

Someone tell me why I'm dreaming because if this is the case I have no interest in upgrading my camera to any other system ever
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: moswanted on July 22, 2013, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: anchoricex on July 22, 2013, 05:32:48 AM
Am I reading this funny or are some of you actually getting 50-60fps continuous without the buffer stopping ?
Someone tell me why I'm dreaming because if this is the case I have no interest in upgrading my camera to any other system ever

With a good CF card 16:9 resolutions up to 1600x560 (resulting 1600x900) is usually continuous at 50/60 fps. Only drawback is the squashed format atm and the resulting quality-loss/aliasing after stretching it back to intended height.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: t2scorp on July 22, 2013, 06:44:15 PM
With my Komputerbay 64gb I only get 74MB/s write speed. So 1600x560 @ 60fps is about 550 frames.
What are your settings? @24 fps I get a write speed up to 104MB/s. I'm using build  from 27th of June.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: moswanted on July 22, 2013, 11:20:26 PM
Standard RAW settings, most important thing for me was "Memory Hack" turned on. Make sure to turn camera into "RAW" quality in photo canon settings.

I get 50fps continuous in that setting, your 10fps more for 60 might be the threshold for the buffer. Try 50 to verify. Every Resolution above 1600 isn't continous for me either.

The way I see it, high FPS is much more straining for the buffer. I get 100+MB/s with 24fps and high resolutions, but 50fps I only get about 78MB/s, too. Same card, KompBay 64GB.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: s---70 on August 04, 2013, 12:38:16 PM
I recorded this with 50 fps at the 1728 resolution:


Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DarienX on August 10, 2013, 12:55:00 PM
I got a new test with a pretty model and a nice background of my city caracas.

This one was recorded on 1920x500 at 48 fps (continuous) to 60 fps (buffered), which non-squashed was 1920x804, and i think it looks real good!, there is a little bit tiny of aliasing if you check real hard. But I am really happy with the results, much better than the soft-old 720-60p.

http://vimeo.com/72087588


PS. Again, this is a colored version, i will put some comparison between h264 and raw soon
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: ugo247548 on August 10, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
Can anyone recommend which card shows the best results with 50/60p RAW?
I'm interested in 720p (after stretch) continuous recording. Ideally I want max performance possible, OFC.
I see that some people use KB 1000x 64GB, some use Transcend 1000x 64GB, thread starter used Lexar 1000x 32GB.
Please help me make the right choice (brand, how much gigs). Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: DarienX on August 11, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
As i promised, here is the video comparison of working in raw 60 fps to the normal way

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: jas.brooks on September 01, 2013, 01:22:24 AM
The .raw shots in your post are nicely exposed, but it does look like you're overexposing your H.264 shots quite a bit. I know from experience that raw gives a lot more DR, but the H.264 isn't usually quite as bad as it looks in this clip.

Why do you set your exposure so differently in the two modes?

Great work,

jason
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: atarijedi on September 06, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
I was wondering if someone could explain why you can't record 1920x1080 60fps in 1:1 crop mode?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 06, 2013, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: atarijedi on September 06, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
I was wondering if someone could explain why you can't record 1920x1080 60fps in 1:1 crop mode?
This is a Canon sensor property that cannot be changed.  Probably to sample the sensor at 60 fps it can only be done skipping some lines therefore the image is squashed, not at full resolution, and with aliasing.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: ultimatemale on September 09, 2013, 06:40:51 PM
Am able to get continuous recording at 50p 1920x508 (2.35:1 stretched to 1920x818) when i set "small hacks" to ON.
Is the purpose of the "small hack" to help assist with shooting slow-mo?
Title: nice 2 sexy girls test with raw-slowmotion
Post by: DarienX on September 22, 2013, 06:23:21 PM
Doing a dinamic range & sharpness test on raw, 48 fps slow motion on 1920x500 (making an streched 1920x800), this time with 2 pretty models dancing and having fun.

Using the 5D3 with a 85mm F1.8 lens
processed on ACR then on vegas and filmconvert

what do you guys think?

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: 1berto on September 23, 2013, 01:28:17 PM
Is it possible to get fullHD (1920x1080) 50/60p, when using 3x crop mode or other crop modes???

I do wildlife and I'm thinking in geting one 5DIII do film RAW, but I need 50p in fullHD?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 23, 2013, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: 1berto on September 23, 2013, 01:28:17 PM
Is it possible to get fullHD (1920x1080) 50/60p, when using 3x crop mode or other crop modes???
Not possible in cropped mode.  It is a sensor speed issue, to get the 60 fps there is line skipping so no crop mode at 60 fps is available.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: 1berto on September 23, 2013, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on September 23, 2013, 02:22:32 PM
Not possible in cropped mode.  It is a sensor speed issue, to get the 60 fps there is line skipping so no crop mode at 60 fps is available.

Thanks Renato,

Is this sandisk faster than the LEXAR 1000X?

http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/compactflash/extremepro-160mbs/?capacity=64GB (http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/compactflash/extremepro-160mbs/?capacity=64GB)

Could I get 50p in fullHD with cards like this?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on September 26, 2013, 04:07:44 AM
Probably not 60 fps but maybe 50 fps.  Nobody has tested these cards yet so we dont know what they are capable, or if the camera will be able to use the speed of the card.  With ML format 2.0 and card spanning it may be possible to get 60 fps, but again no tests to prove this yet.

Using card spaning with format 2.0 (mlv files), on 1000x Lexar and 45Mb/s Sandisk SD card, I can get 48 fps continuous at 1920x672 (16:9).  At 50 fps I can get continuous recording at 1920x646 (1.85:1).
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: motionSOUL on October 03, 2013, 12:53:15 PM
I've red all the topics but I'm not sure to have all well understood.
To resume, there is no way to have the image not stretched when you record 48, 50, or 60fps?
You can choose any aspect ratio combined to any resolution, you will still have to unstretch the image in AE?
Or have I missed something?
My concern isn't in the quality loss but more in the stretched grain which tends to make visible patterns to appear.

Thanks,

S.

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 03, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
You have not missed something.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: painya on October 05, 2013, 03:58:55 AM
Not sure if this is too relevant... But with my workflow I just import to PP, or AE, and apply a crop, and hit stretch.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: swinxx on October 05, 2013, 07:37:48 PM
Hello.
How do you accomplish slowmotion with 48fps?
Do you interpret that material as 24fps material? Or do you slow it down different?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: painya on October 05, 2013, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: swinxx on October 05, 2013, 07:37:48 PM
Hello.
How do you accomplish slowmotion with 48fps?
Do you interpret that material as 24fps material? Or do you slow it down different?
It will play back the best if interpreted at 24fps, however if that speed doesn't suit your needs just slowing it down manually works.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: ultimatemale on October 10, 2013, 02:43:24 AM
http://vimeo.com/akpe/slowmo




Settings
ML RAW: 1920x504 (stretched to 1920x818)

Shot at 60fps
Twixtor applied at 25%

Shot on :

Canon 5D Mk3

Canon 85mm 1.2

Canon 70-200mm 2.8

Komputerbay 64gb 1000x

Post in:

RAWMagic

Adobe Lightroom4 (for color correction)

Adobe after effects cs6(for exporting to ProRess 422HQ 16bit)

Adobe Premiere cs6(for editing)

No sharpening applied to footage
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: jose_ugs on October 18, 2013, 12:55:26 AM
Quote from: ultimatemale on October 10, 2013, 02:43:24 AM
http://vimeo.com/akpe/slowmo

Epic stuff!!!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: inhousegoods on November 02, 2013, 03:03:15 AM
Shot a short in 720/60p at 1400 res, decided to leave it unstretched since I actually liked the aesthetic of it

Conformed to 23.976 fps

https://vimeo.com/78384819
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: jose_ugs on November 18, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
@ultimatemale, hey... what was your shutter about? 1/120th or even 1/240th?
and one more, do you get continuous at 60fps @ that res?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: ultimatemale on November 20, 2013, 06:21:44 AM
Quote from: jose_ugs on November 18, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
@ultimatemale, hey... what was your shutter about? 1/120th or even 1/240th?
and one more, do you get continuous at 60fps @ that res?

My shutter speed varied depending on the lighting available at the time. sometimes was as high as 1/1000 (because i had the intention of using twixtor)

At 60fps i was only able to get about 10sec
50fps would have given me continuous.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: DirNik on November 30, 2013, 07:03:50 PM
:: Music Videoclip >>>>> 5dmk3 RAW 50fps

::

:: Dir // Dop // Edit // Story : Nicola De Prato
:: Camera : Canon 5DmkIII (with Magic Lantern RAW )
:: Lens : Canon 24-70 2.8 // Canon 70-200 2.8 II // Canon 100 Macro 2.8
:: Graded in Davinci Resolve
:: Edited in Fcp 7
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: hackattack on December 12, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
Renato, thanks so much for the post!  I work for a studio and we used the 60fps hack for some underwater video!  Check out the write up:
http://swansonstudio.us/blog/2013/12/11/ebb-and-flow-using-magic-lantern-at-60fps/

We shot the 5dmk3 underwater at 1920x672 (only four seconds with each shot).  We then interpreted at 23.976, stretched to 1920x1080, and used The Foundry's Chronos to slow it down to match 100fps.

Here's the video with the example footage:


I'm not really sure how to embed a video, apologize for the ugly links.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Steve Kahn on December 17, 2013, 12:25:49 AM
Is anyone using Resolve for overcrank footage?  I can't get my 60p footage to be 60p.   Resolve conforms it all to 24p.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: jose_ugs on December 17, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
To "fix" the 24p to your desired fps you have to go to File/Project settings/Master project settings/Timeline format/Playback frame rate

Quote from: Steve Kahn on December 17, 2013, 12:25:49 AM
Is anyone using Resolve for overcrank footage?  I can't get my 60p footage to be 60p.   Resolve conforms it all to 24p.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Danne on January 20, 2014, 10:53:09 AM
A little test

Here,s a comparison between two aspect ratios on a 5d mark 3 and a tutorial how to restretch several clips in 50fps in after effects.
Conclusion

(16:9) 1728 x 606 50fps works continuous and works fine interpolated to 1920x1080

Other fine alternative aspect ratio continuous is 1920x544(2:20:1)

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: carlosm86 on February 25, 2014, 06:19:53 PM
is there anyway just to shoot 1080P @ 60fps thru the hdmi out put? I just placed an order for the ninjablade and it looks as if it can candle the writespeed required as well as the format.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Sganzerla on February 26, 2014, 06:26:28 AM
Is there any possibility of someone making a new step by step guide regarding the new options structure of some of the latest Nightly Builds?
I'm trying to get a 1920x1080 video (1920x672 stretched).

I don't know what I'm doing wrong but whenever I try to put a frame rate of 48 or 60fps in the desired FPS, I got much less in actual FPS - something around 27fps.  :-[

Edit: Problem solved, I wasn't using the HD 720p 60fps option in Canon's menu.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: jose_ugs on March 09, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
"Good" find @Sganzerla ;) a necessary one...
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Bassman2003 on March 14, 2014, 05:19:52 PM
Hello,

I am thinking of installing RAW video on my 5D MKIII and I would like to ask some questions about 60p.

I have been reading a lot of threads and I am not sure about shooting with higher framerates, so here are my questions:

1) When shooting with these non-standard resolutions, what is monitoring on the LCD like?  Do you have a much smaller preview area to look at?

2) I am happy to edit and deliver in 720p60.  Is there a resolution that will be 16:9 that will only need cropping, instead of stretching?

3) I am looking at the new Sandisk 128GB CF cards which seem to be nice and fast (160 MBps read model).  If I use a resolution closer to 720p60, will I end up with more record time due to the lower data rate?

4) I would need continuous recording.  What is your resolution recommendation for 720p60 editing?

Thanks for your help!  I am sure I will ask more questions :)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: bokoussama on March 20, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Please has anybody tried a ML Raw slow motion with the 7D , 6D or any other body except the 5D mark 3.
It's shown in the ML Raw capabilities that either the 7D and 6D can do slow motion in Raw, but still i haven't seen any video relating slow motion done otherwise.
Thanks.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: ted ramasola on March 20, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: bokoussama on March 20, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Please has anybody tried a ML Raw slow motion with the 7D , 6D or any other body except the 5D mark 3.
It's shown in the ML Raw capabilities that either the 7D and 6D can do slow motion in Raw, but still i haven't seen any video relating slow motion done otherwise.
Thanks.

check this thread. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10195.0
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Jason Montalvo on April 18, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
Hi Everyone,

Was hoping to get some advice. I'm currently shooting on 5D3 with the latest build. For as long as I can remember once I attempt to shoot at 60fps and play with the resolution setting i'm unable to get a write speed above 60 MB per second. Is that normal? If so i'm cool with it. At 1920 X 1080 24fps i'm able to dip into the mid 90's write speed.

Thanks in advance for all the help.
Title: Re: How to: -- 60fps RAW Video for 5D3 --
Post by: lureb74 on May 19, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 19, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
Will do later today..

Update.... Done =  1.6473 multiplier or 164.7 %

Hi RenatoPhoto,

how do you calculate this value for the 5D3, may I ask you?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Levinson on May 24, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: DirNik on November 30, 2013, 07:03:50 PM
:: Music Videoclip >>>>> 5dmk3 RAW 50fps
:: Dir // Dop // Edit // Story : Nicola De Prato
:: Camera : Canon 5DmkIII (with Magic Lantern RAW )
:: Lens : Canon 24-70 2.8 // Canon 70-200 2.8 II // Canon 100 Macro 2.8
:: Graded in Davinci Resolve
:: Edited in Fcp 7

I didn't understand a word of it, but I really enjoyed it and thought it was nicely shot. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Metsadah on July 21, 2014, 08:21:15 AM
I just shot a music clip with lots of slomo. But I see that its a lot noisier than normal raw footage. especially in darker shots its almost unworkable with some kind of fixed noise pattern.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: TTGator on August 25, 2014, 09:18:51 PM
Hey could Ultimatemale or someone help me out with the post-processing workflow here? I captured some 60fps at 1920x504 and need to figure out how to stretch it. I used MLViewer to convert to .mov. Is there a simple way using FCPX (preferably) to go from 1920x504 to 1920x818?

EDIT: Figured it out... Under Transform, I can Scale the Y axis independently. Easy! But it's a percentage... so do I choose 162%?
And I can also Modify->Retime->Custom Speed->Automatic (makes it 40%) to have it conform to 24fps.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: jimmyD30 on August 25, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
I know in AE you can just resize the composition and then have footage fit comp.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: legreve on October 04, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
Last year I shot a music video over three weekends.
It was shot entirely on 5D raw in 50fps 1920 1.85 aspect without any issues.

Today I tried mounting a march build I had lying around and I couldnt get the same cards past 82,3mb even though last year I had 92,5mb on them.
Also... I clearly remember needing 87mb or so for 50fps and now I need 107 according to ML.

What changed? Im using the exact same gear as last year....
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: ilovecinema on October 16, 2014, 01:06:22 PM
Hi, everyone! Thanks a lot for all the information in this thread (especially to RenatoPhoto, obviously).

(1) Let's say I want to shoot RAW @50fps. Is it better (speed-wise or in any other way) to use (a) or (b)?
(a) setting 60fps[@NTSC]@Canon menu & @ML menu: FPS Override=50fps;
(b) changing to PAL and setting 50fps @Canon menu? (Plus: should I use ML's FPS Override=50fps in that case anyway?).

(2) It has been pointed out that "Higher frame rate modes in Canon settings results in slower speeds", so would it make sense to set up the speed @Canon menu for, say, 25fps(@PAL) and @ML settings use FPS Override of 50fps?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: johnwangphoto on October 25, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
Hi everyone.

I am new to ML on 5d MarkIII and I just have a few questions on shooting 60fps on 5d mark III. On my ML 5d MarkIII the FPS override is disabled and how to enable it? I shot some 1920x672 60fps clips and got the squashed images. You mentioned you fixed the issue in AE. I just wonder can I just make an action in PP and get the same result? For the post after I grade the images in ACR can I just use Quicktime sequence or FCP to assemble the single jpeg images to a video clip instead of all the other softwares you mentioned?

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: DigitalVeil on January 08, 2015, 02:23:43 AM
Whoa, I thought this whole time the squashed video height in Canon 720p mode was intentional to allow cameras with slower storage to get wider resolutions.  This isn't intentional?

It's really strange that Canon's default 720p h264 mode can record 60fps with no squashing, but ML raw in 720/60 mode is squashed even with custom resolutions set well below 720p and FPS set well below 30.  Assuming the 7D Mark II eventually gets an ML port, I wonder if that will be the first camera to record 1080p60 raw without squashing (given its 1080p60 h264 mode) or if it will have the same problem when set to 1080p60 mode.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: noipego on April 25, 2015, 07:58:16 PM
hi all ..i'm using ml for over a year and i'm very happy filming @ 1080p with 5d3. 1st time now i need to write in 720p50 16:9 and im having the following issue.
I have 720p50 ALL-I in canon menu...set fps override and desired fps set to 50 and everything else set properly (i need 16:9 aspect)....but i get cropped 1280 and the display is minimized in a small box (if i turn off GD i get full image but still not writing in 16:9 720p). I'm on 5d3 123-Aug. build
Am i doing smth wrong here? Appreciate any help..thx
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: DirNik on May 04, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
I've shot this short film / visual poem with Magic Lantern and 5dmk3 in 50fps! Check it out

Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Danne on May 04, 2015, 04:41:24 PM
Beautiful. Peaceful atmosphere and a strong message.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 04, 2015, 09:27:31 PM
@DirNik Wow.. That was beautiful great job my friend.  Did you use any specific LUT in Davinci Resolve 11?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: N/A on May 05, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: DigitalVeil on January 08, 2015, 02:23:43 AM
Whoa, I thought this whole time the squashed video height in Canon 720p mode was intentional to allow cameras with slower storage to get wider resolutions.  This isn't intentional?

It's really strange that Canon's default 720p h264 mode can record 60fps with no squashing, but ML raw in 720/60 mode is squashed even with custom resolutions set well below 720p and FPS set well below 30.  Assuming the 7D Mark II eventually gets an ML port, I wonder if that will be the first camera to record 1080p60 raw without squashing (given its 1080p60 h264 mode) or if it will have the same problem when set to 1080p60 mode.
Besides advanced methods used in the adtg-gui module, ML really can't control the line-skipping in non-crop mode, which causes the squashed look in high fps. I found a glitch on 7d that allows for 48 fps raw video that doesn't need stretching in post, haven't been able to push it up to 60 fps though.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Danne on May 05, 2015, 06:57:59 PM
@N/A. 48fps is pretty cool. Wonder if it works on the 5d mark 3. Are you filming at highest aspect ratio?
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on May 06, 2015, 01:35:21 AM
@N/A:

Currently waiting on my boss's response for me to check out 7D in order for me to confirm this fabulous 48fps bug that you found...argh!

Until then!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: N/A on May 19, 2015, 02:54:05 AM
Sorry guys, been crazy busy with life lately, I've hardly been on my computer in 3 weeks :o

Dianne, yeah the highest Rez I could manage was 1728x694, for somewhere around 10-15 seconds. It's the same quality as normal non-crop raw video, it's a great improvement over the squashed slo mo raw as far as aliasing and artifacts go. I posted a couple of comparison pics in the 7d thread.

I haven't had anyone confirm this yet, deafeye, so feel free to prove that I'm not crazy or senile ;D
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: DirNik on July 15, 2015, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: Danne on May 04, 2015, 04:41:24 PM
Beautiful. Peaceful atmosphere and a strong message.
Thank you Danne !!!!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: kgv5 on July 16, 2015, 07:27:18 AM
The highest framerates on 5d3 now which works for me without any problems (despite of short recording time of course) are 35 38 fps in non crop and 65 fps in crop mode. Ability to record 48fps in non crop even in lower resolution would be really cool.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: HaZe on September 02, 2015, 11:15:51 PM
Hi! hope this comes to the right forum thread..

i have now tried everything.. i think..

The goal is to record 60 fps at a high definition for slowmo effect in post.

i have a 5DMK3 with a CF card , brand: wellcore , x1100 , 165MB/s.

on my pc i get write speed over 125MB/s
on camera i get aprox 65-69MB/s when i try the benchmark.

still i get skipped frames after 7-14 seconds of recording..

so is there anything else i can check ? it feels like the card reader in the canon camera is limited somehow because the card work great at all the tests on a pc with usb3 card reader.
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: budafilms on September 20, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
@HAZE

Google "CF card Write speed Magic Lantern Raw" your question is too old.
Quikly, In my opinion your card is not working fast around 90 MB/s. Try Komputerbay 1000x 64 GB or Lexar.

- Card reader on 5D is not USB3.
- And try Hacked On, GB Off, No Focus Peak, etc in ML menu.


Good Lantern!
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: Walter Schulz on September 20, 2015, 11:42:40 AM
There are benchmarks and there are benchmarks ...
@HaZE: Try photo mode and press Play button after starting benchmark. Each benchmark completed will generate a file in card's root directory called BENCHxxx.PPM. Convert it to JPG, upload it somewhere and link it here.
And your post is missing crucial information: Card size, modules loaded, RAW or MLV video mode used, firmware version, ML version, resolution and frame rate ...
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: newreal on October 05, 2015, 12:14:56 AM
Hello people,

I'm new to Magic Lantern, I mainly film action sports (like skiing and biking...) and therefore slow-motion at 60fps is something i use pretty often.
I've been spending hours on internet reading about this fabulous hack for the 5dm3 but i'm not certain of a few things concerning the continuous recording times and resolutions... Basically what i would of liked to know is:

a) what is the highest resolution capable of continuous recording at 60/50fps on the 5dm3?
b) is a SanDisk, 128go, 160mb/s, cf card a good choice?

Thanks for your time and replies!
Cheers,

yannick
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on October 07, 2015, 12:24:20 AM
Hey @newreal you won't be able to get continous 60p footage, but you'll be able to get 48, 50p with @ 2:35 aspect ratio works beautifully. 
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: budafilms on October 07, 2015, 09:16:29 AM
@newreal

depending of your card too, you can try starting with an aspect ratio very small, and taking note how many time you can rec.
Could be very usefull here.
Maybe at 1280x720 or more you can get a lot of minutes ;)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: a1ex on April 02, 2016, 12:05:13 PM
QuoteWhat is the possibilities for shooting unsquashed and not loosing the quality?

Done! (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17021.msg165254#msg165254)
Title: Re: How to Record: -- 60/50 fps RAW Video for 5D3 & others --
Post by: johnnycorcoran on October 09, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
just to be sure!
I have a Canon 5d mk III and have a 1280 @ 60 fps, o what the Magic Lantern for? if people want to set it on 60fps on Magic, it still the same?