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This original post is now outdated.

See:
Magic Lantern (RAW) Video format v2.0 (mlv_rec.mo) (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0)
MLV Lite (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16650.0)
Crop mode recording (crop_rec.mo) (1:1, RAW/H.264, 25/30/50/60 fps) (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17021.0)
crop_rec on steroids: 3K, 4K, 1080p48, full-resolution LiveView (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=19300.0)

Update: September 26th 2013

[b]Digital Cropped Video is now possible and it is equivalent to putting a 3X multiplier on your lens without increasing the f stop (That is Magic, only with Magic Lantern)  ;D:[/b]

The Recording function is only available at 5X zoom, 10X is only used for precise focusing.

1. Make sure you have CF selected. 
2. Switch your camera to Video Mode (flip the video lever to the left). Works in M, AV, TV modes.
3. Press Q and select the 1920 @ 30 fps  video specification from Canon Menu.
4. Use the Joy stick to move and make "blue" the video mode.
5. Scroll through the videos to [b]1920 30fps[/b].  If you do not use FPS override the camera defaults to Canon settings.  See note 1
6. Press half shutter to return to Live View.
7. Press the zoom button to 5X or 10X and focus your subject in LiveView.  (If you skip this step you will not get the 3x higher resolutions)
  If you have not loaded the raw_rec module then:
8. Press trash button and go to Modules Tab using your joystick or scroll wheel.   (It is an icon with four little squares)
9. Use the scroll wheel or joystick to highlight the raw_rec module and then press the set button to enable it.
10. Reboot the camera, then press trash button and if the module loaded correctly you will see it in bright white with a green dot on the left.
11. Scroll to [b]Movie[/b] with the large scroll wheel and then to [b]Raw video[/b] with the small scroll wheel.
12. Enable RAW video by pressing the [b]Set [/b]Button.  Look at the video settings and also look near the bottom of the screen for information about CF speed requirements to meet current fps and frame size.
13. Press [b]Q[/b] and [b]Set[/b] to chose the appropriate [b]Resolution[/b], or use the little scroll wheel to scroll from available options.  If your card is not fast enough then select acceptable resolutions.  Remember to look at the bottom of the screen to see how resolution affect card speed requirements.
[b]Note: If you pressed the zoom button in step 7 you can select higher resolutions such as: 2048x1152, 2240x1260, 2560x1320, 2880x1320, and 3584x1320[/b]
14. Scroll to [b]Aspect ratio[/b] [b]16:9[/b] is the default.  You can scroll with the little wheel or press [b]Set[/b] to change it.  By changing the aspect ratio the camera chooses an appropriate video height.  Some heights are not the most common ones but these combinations offer better writing speeds.  You may have to crop your video in post.
15. (NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW-->) If you want to record audio (wav file to SD card) scroll to Sound and select Separate [b]WAV[/b], or [b]sync beep[/b], or [b]OFF[/b]
16. [b]Preview: Auto[/b].  Press [b]Set [/b]to change it to: Canon, [b]ML Grayscale[/b], [b]Hacked [/b](see note 6)
17. [b]Digital dolly: OFF[/b] On to allow the recording area to scroll from left-to-right or up-down during cropped video or when recording at smaller resolutions then max (1920x1080)  Use the Joystick to control the direction of the scroll.
18. [b]Frame skipping: OFF[/b] To continue recording even if skips frames then scroll to and select [b]Allow[/b].
19. [b]Card warm-up: OFF[/b] Press set to select a warm-up file size when camera boots.  Some speed improvements obtained.
20. [b]Memory hack: OFF[/b]. Press Set to on  This frees up more memory to get extra frames in the buffer.
21. [b]Small hacks: OFF[/b] to improve the use of memory to increase recording buffer.
22.  Next option, [b]Playback [/b]  After recording a RAW file you can preview it by coming back to this menu and scroll to Playback selection and pressing [b]Set[/b].
23. Press [b]Q[/b] and then move to [b]Overlay[/b] and set [b]Global Draw[/b] to [b]OFF[/b].  See note 7.
24. To get back to LV just press trash button or half shutter.
25. To start and stop recording press the LV button

[size=12pt][b]OPTION FOR 24/25 FPS RECORDING:[/b][/size]

26.  Move to the [b]Movie[/b] tab and select [b]FPS override[/b] with the scroll wheel.  (see note 2 below)
27. Press the [b]Q[/b] button
28. Change the [b]Desired FPS[/b] to 23.97 using the small (top) scroll wheel.
29. Move to the [b]Optimize for[/b] with the large scroll wheel.
30. Change to [b]Exact FPS[/b] with the small scroll wheel.
31. Press the Q button and then press the Set button (on the center of the large scroll wheel) to enable FPS override
32. Now FPS should read 23.97.
[b]
Technical notes:[/b]

Note 1: It is best to set the Canon video format to 1920 30 fps and then to set the fps speed via FPS Override.  When you do this you will have very little variation in fps when you switch from zoom mode to standard mode.

Note 2: f you do not use FPS override the default fps for 5X zoom mode is 29.97, so if you want to record at a different fps you better set it here.  Additionally it is always best to use FPS override to eliminate damaged frames.

Note 6. [b] Canon [/b]preview is standard full color, [b]ML Grayscale[/b] is in B&W and also shows the video in its final cropped view (used for framing),[b] Hacked[/b] is special fast hack to increase card writing speed at the expense of freezing Live View.

Note 7.  If you set Global Draw ON you will have a focus box that helps you frame the video properly for all resolutions,  The drawback of this method is that it is only in black and white and sometimes it slows down LV.

[b]Hot Tip: If you press the info button, it will disable Global Draw and you will clearly see the subject, but the framing is off so use the framing with GD ON.  After you press info button you will have to press it three times to scroll back to the gray framing overlay.[/b]

If you set Global Draw OFF in zoom mode you get full color and real-time update.

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[size=12pt][b]VERY IMPORTANT[/b][/size]

Make sure that in Canon Menu:
Image Quality = Raw (5D3, 650D,  ....)
Image Quality = jpeg (...., ....)
Auto Lighting Optimizer = OFF
Long exp. noise reduction = OFF
High ISO speed NR = OFF
Highlight tone priority = OFF
Multiple Exposure = Disable
HDR Mode = Disable HDR

and.. to get the zoom function to work in LV you need to "Enable" Live View shooting  and also AF mode set to "Live mode", of course this is done in Canon menu.  check your camera specifics to the zoom function working in Live View
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For further RAW Video Post processing:[/b][/size]

The RAW files will be recorded on the DCIM folder. 

RAW Video: PostProcessing -- Beginners Guide --
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0

[Mac/Win/Linux] go here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0[/b]

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[u][b]
OTHER HELPFUL LINKS:[/b][/u]

To help the DEVS and everybody it would be a good idea if specific RAW video issues are discussed in a [b]separate thread based on the camera under discussion.[/b]

5D3  [b]Uncompressed 14-bit RAW video testing - 5D Mark III[/b]
HERE:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5473.0

5D2  [b]Raw video on 5DMK2[/b]
HERE:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5419.0

600D [b]Uncompressed 600D Raw Video[/b] 
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5494.0

[b]6D[/b] 6[b]D + Raw thread (with instillation guide)[/b]
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5530.msg37766#msg37766

[b]650D[/b] I dont see a specific RAW video thread.  Should there be one??  Anyone care to propose so I can update this message?


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[b]Magic Lantern Best Practices:[/b]
http://www.magiclantern.fm/bestpractices

[b]How to install Magic Lantern on 5D Mark III[/b]
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2602.0

[b]Where to get Canon Firmware 1.1.3 (Windows version)  for sure:[/b]
HERE: http://pel.hu/eoscard/

[b]Where to get Canon Firmware 1.1.3 (Mac version) for sure:[/b]
HERE: http://hdslr.com.br/2012/06/20/atualizacao-de-firmware-para-5d-mark-iii-versao-1-1-3/

[b]Where to get Compiled Nightly Builds?[/b]
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.0
14-Bit RAW video Builds for 5D2 : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.0

All questions regarding [b]RAW VIDEO POST PROCESSING on any OS[/b]
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.0

All questions regarding [b]RAW_REC MODULE COMPILATION/INSTALLATION/USAGE[/b]
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5405.0

[b]Card benchmark - what's the optimal write buffer size[/b]?
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.0

[b]Supported 1000x CF cards for continuous RAW recording[/b]
HERE: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5391.0

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Please help us keep our Forum Organized.  We have very specific areas for certain topics so try to conform so that everybody benefits.

[b]If you have a question, don't post it![/b] First use the [b]search[/b] function on the forum (near the top left) and search for the key word.  If you have made a reasonable effort and cannot find an answer then please post your question in the appropriate forum.

Really Awesome!!

Is the loss of detail too noticeable? For me, that is where the 4k makes sense..

This is more closer to the 10x canon zoom magnification you see when previewing a zoom .............. happy days !!!

Now being able to select different zoom/crop ratios via a menu would be the next huge step for ML :D

The beauty of this video is that there is ZERO loss of detail when compared to a photo taken a full resolution.  Of course the photo covers the entire size of the sensor 5760x3840 pix while the video is just a small portion of the sensor in my case I am generating a video of 1920x1080 pix.   There is no down-sampling of the sensor so the image is a 1:1 crop.

Since we are using 1920 pix out of the 5760 pix (width) the zoom factor is 5760/1920 = 3X.

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 16, 2013, 04:29:01 AM
3. Press the joystick 17 times to the left and 8 to the top to center the focusing box on the new cropped frame.  (Hopefully this can be automated some day if there is an automated selection for Cropped Video settings.

It would be preferable to use the center of the sensor (center of the lens) for crop, as the best piece of the glass is it's center.

For instance just taking vignetting into account, the top left corner could be a stop less (EV) then the center.  Currently in crop mode, that would mean using ISO 200 instead of ISO 100 for instance.

There's sharpness (loss) and chromatic aberration problems also.

I think you can use any party of the zoom box.. if you move it too far it can get some of the black borders.

Dumb question, once that we know to handle 3x data crop by the sensor, is it possible to send back them to the H264 encoder!? This will enable 600d like feature.....

FRAME COMPARISON FOR DIGITAL CROPPED VIDEO

Canon 5D3 / Canon EF 50mm  1:1.8
Manual Mode 1/125, f1.8, ISO 100, WB 5500k

Setup
(http://s20.postimg.org/yx7a882i5/Original_Setup.jpg)

Here is the process I used:

1. Took a photo a full RAW
2. Took a video at 1920x1080 24 fps with Neutral Picture Style
3. Took a standard RAW video at 1920x1080 24 fps
5. Took a Zoomed RAW video at 5X at 1920x1080 24 fps (Cropped Digital Video)
6. Extracted the dng frames from the RAW videos
7. Extracted the tiff frames from the MOV (canon) video
8. Processed all frames in photoshop with following corrections:

DNG:
1. Changed WB to 5500 and +6 Tint since this was the values from the CR2 file
2. Took all sharpening out
3. Opened to Photoshop and adjusted Levels
4. Sharpened with Unsharp mask 50%, radious 0.9 pix, Threshold 0

CR2:
1. Took all sharpening out
3. Opened to Photoshop and adjusted Levels
3. Opened to Photoshop and adjusted Levels
4. Sharpened with Unsharp mask 50%, radious 0.9 pix, Threshold 0

Tiff:
1. Opened to Photoshop and adjusted Levels
2. Opened to Photoshop and adjusted Levels
3. Sharpened with Unsharp mask 50%, radious 0.9 pix, Threshold 0

Final Comparison

CR2 versus Zoomed DNG
(http://s20.postimg.org/5fmbq4jot/Comparison_cr2_vs_zoom_dng.jpg)

In the photo above it is clear that the detail of the zoomed RAW video is equal to the detail in the CR2 image.

Tiff versus no zoom DNG
(http://s20.postimg.org/hirndour1/MOV_vs_DNG_no_Zoom.jpg)

In the above photo it is clear that the detail, dynamic range, noise, and sharpening characteristics of the normal RAW video is superior than MOV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PaX346UkbQ&feature=youtu.be

14 bit raw on 5d3 may 12th build

Just noticed that with the new commit the zoomed video in LV mode at 5X is in gray color.  When I press record it gets fixed.  The 10X zoom is ok.

It's a preview so you can frame with it... but it's hard to make it color and real-time on the ARM cpu

This might not be relevant, since I've only tested on the 600d, but would it be possible to just overlay a white framed box before recording for framing?  That plus popping into the 10x zoom would be enough to get focus and framing.  (The build I had only seemed to add the white frame box after recording was started unless I missed a feature?).

NM, just downloaded a newer build and it already functions the way I wanted.  Thanks ML team for putting in features before I even know I want them!  1st raw, now mindreading.  Big week.

Hi, not sure if developments are being made in this area. I believe I have the latest built from here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7QlH_BH2m32TWVYWnVrck83RjQ&usp=sharing

How come the video being recorded is shifted to the side vs the picture shown in live view? Is there a way to film what is shown in live view?

x5 zoom with globaldraw on has correct framing.

I think he is asking why the cropped video (5X) only covers the top-left side of the sensor rather than the center.  I dont know the answer to this question.

Canon knows :D

Here's a nice calculator: http://www.slashcam.de/tools/ml-raw-calc.html

Worth displaying those in ML menu?

Per frame size should be visible... some frame sizes write faster than others it seems.

Shouldn't happen after the 32MB fix, according to the huge benchmarks.

Please help!
There is no crop video on my 5D3. I have used RenatoPhoto's instruction from the first post. When i press 5x zoom first and then LV button - nothing happens, but zero size raw file. If i press LV button first- recording starts, but when I press 5x zoom - recording stops. Raw settings 1920x1080. I have tried several later builds.

Quote from: a1ex on May 19, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
Here's a nice calculator: http://www.slashcam.de/tools/ml-raw-calc.html

Worth displaying those in ML menu?

Current commit shows in RAW video screen the MB/s the fps and the colors according to card speed.  Maybe add aspect ratio?

My preference would be for cam to test the card and to set the recommended frame sizes according to fps.  For example for:

1000X Lexar I get.

23.97 fps 1920x1080
25 fps 1880 x 1080
29.97 fps 1720x960
50 fps 1600x540
60 fps 1440 x480

So when I put this card, the cam tests if new card is inserted.
Now I should have the existing method of frame selection AND a new method, like Canons selection

1920x1080 at 23.97 fps
1880x1080 at 25 fps
1720x960 at 29.97 fps
1600x540 at 50 fps
1440x480 at 60 fps

If this method is used then FPS override should be automatic to simplify this video selection menu.

Any way this post should probably go on Feature Request.  Sorry if this is not possible.

Quote from: vstrglv on May 19, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Please help!
There is no crop video on my 5D3. I have used RenatoPhoto's instruction from the first post. When i press 5x zoom first and then LV button - nothing happens, but zero size raw file. If i press LV button first- recording starts, but when I press 5x zoom - recording stops. Raw settings 1920x1080. I have tried several later builds.

Go to ML menu move to Help and post version
Also Card Spec .

ML v.2013May19.503113
Build on 2013-05-19 23:12:36
I have tried May15, May17 also
CF - Transend 600 32Gb

May want to try this:  http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5413.0

Also check your SD card file structure to make sure you have all files look here:
www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

Must have the MODULES directory with the three files as noted above

I will try.  Thank you. I have no problem with raw video, but only with crop.
I have some questions about your first thread for this topic:
What is the reason to do item No3 if you do item No22?
Why the succession is not correct:1-14,17-20,24-27,22,23,28. Is it simply error?
Item No23: after pressing the zoom button 5X and pressing the LV button (item No28)
should i see recording process on the screen (as normally i see during raw recording?)

My card is easily handling the 1920x1080 raw video, but when i try to record the magnified way, even if i set the FPS to 25, the recording stops after 20-25 frames!!!
is it happening to you too?
are you setting a lower resolution? (perhaps 720p)
I am using the 19th May built compiled by laurenco

Thank you all guys, it's a great community here!!!

The x5 mode is a lot more cpu and memory intensive (3.5K source frames)

Quote from: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 10:29:04 PM
The x5 mode is a lot more cpu and memory intensive (3.5K source frames)

Thank you very much for your reply, A1ex.
I switched back to the 17th May build and i am now able, having set exact fps at 25, to record without any problem also when magnified!!!   (i am letting you all know, for it may help somebody else, and because the developers may be interested too, you never know :) )

Quote from: vstrglv on May 20, 2013, 06:36:56 PM
I will try.  Thank you. I have no problem with raw video, but only with crop.
I have some questions about your first thread for this topic:
What is the reason to do item No3 if you do item No22?
Why the succession is not correct:1-14,17-20,24-27,22,23,28. Is it simply error?
Item No23: after pressing the zoom button 5X and pressing the LV button (item No28)
should i see recording process on the screen (as normally i see during raw recording?)

Yea, there are some errors, will correct it.  Then I will answer your question.  Give me a little time.

Quote from: mesebar2 on May 20, 2013, 10:20:41 PM
My card is easily handling the 1920x1080 raw video, but when i try to record the magnified way, even if i set the FPS to 25, the recording stops after 20-25 frames!!!
is it happening to you too?
are you setting a lower resolution? (perhaps 720p)
I am using the 19th May built compiled by laurenco

Thank you all guys, it's a great community here!!!

Probably you forgot to set FPS override.  If you do not set this during zoom it will default back to 29.97 fps the moment that you press zoom.

Quote from: mesebar2 on May 20, 2013, 10:45:29 PM
I switched back to the 17th May build and i am now able, having set exact fps at 25, to record without any problem also when magnified!!!

Is this with globaldraw off? Are the results consistent and repeatable? What write speeds are you getting in both cases?

Quote from: vstrglv on May 20, 2013, 06:36:56 PM
I will try.  Thank you. I have no problem with raw video, but only with crop.
I have some questions about your first thread for this topic:
What is the reason to do item No3 if you do item No22?
Why the succession is not correct:1-14,17-20,24-27,22,23,28. Is it simply error?
Item No23: after pressing the zoom button 5X and pressing the LV button (item No28)
should i see recording process on the screen (as normally i see during raw recording?)

Ok, all done now.

Question 1.
These are two different things.  In old step 3 you are selecting a feature that allows you to move the focusing box to predetermined locations.  One of those (Top Left) get you pretty close to where you will record video in zoomed mode.
In old step 22 (now 23) you are actually using the feature.  If you press the joystick, the focusing box will jump from one position to another.  So you should press the joystick until you get to the TOP Left position.

Q 2. My mistake, all corrected now.

Q3. Yes just press LV button for recording.

Quote from: mesebar2 on May 20, 2013, 10:20:41 PM
My card is easily handling the 1920x1080 raw video, but when i try to record the magnified way, even if i set the FPS to 25, the recording stops after 20-25 frames!!!
is it happening to you too?
are you setting a lower resolution? (perhaps 720p)
I am using the 19th May built compiled by laurenco

Thank you all guys, it's a great community here!!!

New ANSWER:

I tried this with my fastest card: 1000X Lexar  Video at 1920x1080 24 fps

Normal RAW video records but buffer is begging to fill so this is close to the limit.

When I press zoom I can only record 100 to 200 frames at 1920X1080 with FPS Override = 24 fps

If I enable Hack3D then I can record to 4 GB.

I do this with Global Draw = OFF  to have full color LV

I did not forget to set FPS, i tryed both with globadraw off and on, they were consistent and repeatable.
I managed to capture always only 21 frames before it would fill up

So, are you swapping the 17th May and a newer one, and the old one works? or it's just that you remember it worked?

Post the write speeds and changeset numbers, otherwise I'm not able to diagnose it.

When I press 5x zoom and then LV button there is "Memory error MB" for very short time. It is the same for all builds (May 17,18,19,20). CF Transend 600. For enabled Hack3D too. For 1920x1080 and smaller size (1600x720) too.

Pushed some fixes.

Meanwhile, found a cool video with crop mode:

New commits are now bringing bad frames every 40 to 50 frames in zoomed mode.  Repeatable.

sorry A1ex, have been super busy until now.
i had switched back to the 17th build in order for making it work.
if it can help the community i will temporarily install the 19th build (or the last compiled build now available) and paste my config file (if that the right way to do it?)

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 21, 2013, 05:01:45 PM
New commits are now bringing bad frames every 40 to 50 frames in zoomed mode.  Repeatable.

Just tied the new commit  240050c and the corrupt frames has been fixed.  Now you can record again in zoom mode.

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 22, 2013, 01:05:40 AM
Just tied the new commit  240050c and the corrupt frames has been fixed.  Now you can record again in zoom mode.

fabulous, thank you all!!!

 5x zoon crop works now with commit 240050c. Thanks a lot! But to many drop frames...

oops

Quote from: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 08:58:33 AM
Pushed some fixes.

Meanwhile, found a cool video with crop mode:
http://vimeo.com/66604210

I'm glad having the opportunity thanks to you guys!

5x zoom crop works with May 22nd(807981e) also. I can record at 5x zoom  only 1600x900 at 20fps and 1600x840 at 24fps without drop frames . CF Transend 600 32GB 5D3.

Thanks to the Magic Lantern team!

For now we only get 3X from the development.  Maybe some day we will get other crop factors.  Maybe Canon should just give the code to these guys and we could have some really nice cams... Maybe not..  That would take the fun out of it!

Correction: you get 1:1 crop ;)

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 23, 2013, 12:42:13 AM
For now we only get 3X from the development.  Maybe some day we will get other crop factors.  Maybe Canon should just give the code to these guys and we could have some really nice cams... Maybe not..  That would take the fun out of it!

I'm confused tho.. this video shows different 'zoom' factors... is this not coming out of Magic Lantern?

http://vimeo.com/66774018

Just a quick note - I'm successfully using the x10 for full frame rate monitoring with focus peaking, and spot metering at 1600 x 900. Understandably I'm not seeing the full recorded area doing this, but at least the overlays work - May 22nd build using Sandisk 32gig Extreme 60MB/s CF

I've found the order of setting things does not matter provided one goes into x5 or x10 before hitting record.

In order to set the focus box to the correct location, what I have been doing is the following - -> before going into x5 or x10, push the joystick 18 times to the right, and 8 times down. Question - does this result in using an area closer to the lens centre than using the top left corner option mentioned in the original post? The box positioning is somewhat unpredictable.

Cheers everyone and thank you for the awesome firmware and developments!  :)

If you choose the bottom right corner you also get a zoom of that area.  If you compare the top-left with bottom-left corners with respect to the center of the lens you will find that both are offset by the same amount to the left.  So the answer is no, it is not closer to the center.

Couple of questions.
First, if the "5x" crop is really a 3x zoom, aka 1:1 ratio, what is the 10x zoom now?

Secondly, I'm using the latest compiled build from Lorenco (may 27).  I can record just fine in 5x and 10x zoom mode @ 1920x1080 24 fps, but both the 5x and 10x are "way off".  The old trick of "14 to the left, 7 up" in 5x mode isn't working.  I have no idea how far 10x is off, and since you cannot record in either zoom mode unless you're recording raw, can anyone help me figure out how to get this centered now?

I'd appreciate it, thanks!
Shawn

I tested with 5D3 with the latest build and it has not changed. 

1. Press the joystick to center the focusing box
2. Press the joystick 17 times to the left and 8 to the top to center the focusing box on the new cropped frame.  (Hopefully Snappoint setting can be updated to center the focusing box.  for now it sets it a bit to the right.

Or quicker yet if you set up the focus box:

2. Press trash button and go to Prefs Tab.
3.Scroll to Focus box settings, press Q button, and enable Snap points choosing the Center/TL/TR/BR/BL setting.  Press Set button and Q button.

Now every time you press the joystick in the center the focus box jumps to the correct cropped settings.  I tested ALL four positions and it works, including the top left side.

Renato, I'm on 05/27's build, and it seems to be 17 to the left and about 3 up for the 5x zoom.  Dunno, but that build's default crop marks are way off for me.

Merge from another thread - Audionut

Looks like in the very latest builds the 1:1 crop mode doesn't need any crop mark movement to be centered.  However in 5x zoom (1:1) mode with global draw on it's the normal B%W slideshow look - my dream is to have 1:1 and focus peaking working that I can monitor while recording.  Is there a setting that I have off somewhere?

Overlays don't work in zoom mode.

I'll have to update and check the zoom centering.  I'd love to be able to get a crop of the center of the lens.

Quote from: Audionut on May 30, 2013, 05:01:36 AM
Overlays don't work in zoom mode.

I'll have to update and check the zoom centering.  I'd love to be able to get a crop of the center of the lens.

I swear this worked before though.  I could be wrong.

Quote from: Shield on May 30, 2013, 04:46:27 AM
Looks like in the very latest builds the 1:1 crop mode doesn't need any crop mark movement to be centered.

Can you elaborate a little more on this.

I just tried some footage with the zoom in the center of the frame, and the resulting video was from further left of frame.

Quote from: Audionut on May 30, 2013, 05:13:18 AM
Can you elaborate a little more on this.

I just tried some footage with the zoom in the center of the frame, and the resulting video was from further left of frame.

Which build you on?  I'm running Magic Lantern May 28th(8ba641e).

I tried on 8ba641e and 5419e04.  Both had the same result.
Using FPS override and shutter timing.

edit:  You use global draw correct?  That does change the framing and on first appearance does appear to look like what I was capturing.

Quote from: Audionut on May 30, 2013, 05:22:12 AM
I tried on 8ba641e and 5419e04.  Both had the same result.
Using FPS override and shutter timing.

edit:  You use global draw correct?  That does change the framing and on first appearance does appear to look like what I was capturing.

Well for me I'm using the default settings + 24 override.  If I hit the 5x zoom first it appears to be centered just fine.  Hitting it again (10x) and then starting recording the image is to the right of what I see in the screen.

Keep in mind I'm only doing things close up with a 24-70mm lens - I'll try some stuff far away now.  But my cat's face was perfectly in the middle @ 5x ...:)

Oh yes, always use global draw.  I like the waveform/zebras/histogram/peaking.

But...I might stop using peaking since now I can use a color profile and crank up the sharpness.  No more flat crap with 0 contrast and 0 sharpness.  Who cares; it's raw! ;)

Well audionut you're right - now at 5x the image is shifted too far too the right.

I tried 17 to the left and up 3 and it seems fine.  You?

Quote from: Shield on May 30, 2013, 05:59:26 AM
Let's figure out together how far this needs to be.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0

QuoteIf you want a more precise setting of the focusing box:

1. Press the joystick to center the focusing box
2. Press the joystick 17 times to the left and 8 to the top to center the focusing box on the new cropped frame.  (Hopefully Snappoint setting can be updated to center the focusing box.  for now it sets it a bit to the right.

For me, I like that the framing is closer to the center of the lens with global draw on.  But I like the cleaner display and easier focusing when global draw is off.

Quote from: Audionut on May 30, 2013, 06:10:37 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0
For me, I like that the framing is closer to the center of the lens with global draw on.  But I like the cleaner display and easier focusing when global draw is off.

That's old info.  8 up is way too many.  I think 17 to the left and up 3 look great.

Quote from: Shield on May 30, 2013, 06:16:57 AM
That's old info.  8 up is way too many.  I think 17 to the left and up 3 look great.

I haven't checked myself yet.  I've got to many other things going on atm sorry.

Quote from: Shield on May 30, 2013, 06:16:57 AM
I think 17 to the left and up 3 look great.

I tested both configurations and they are both approximately OK.  It appears that sampling on the sensor has some lattitude so it can go as far as 3 up.  So from 3 up to 8 up the cropping follows the focusing box so it is about the same.

Going 3 up has the advantage that you are 4 clicks closer to the horizontal centerline of the lens.

For a much faster setup I use the presets of  the focusing box using:

2. Press trash button and go to Prefs Tab.
3.Scroll to Focus box settings, press Q button, and enable Snap points choosing the Center/TL/TR/BR/BL setting.  Press Set button and Q button.

IDEALLY: At some point, if the DEVs cannot get the sampling of the center of the sensor, then it would be possible to optimize one of those Focus box settings to exactly match the framing.

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on May 31, 2013, 07:41:51 PM
I tested both configurations and they are both approximately OK.  It appears that sampling on the sensor has some lattitude so it can go as far as 3 up.  So from 3 up to 8 up the cropping follows the focusing box so it is about the same.

Going 3 up has the advantage that you are 4 clicks closer to the horizontal centerline of the lens.

For a much faster setup I use the presets of  the focusing box using:

2. Press trash button and go to Prefs Tab.
3.Scroll to Focus box settings, press Q button, and enable Snap points choosing the Center/TL/TR/BR/BL setting.  Press Set button and Q button.

IDEALLY: At some point, if the DEVs cannot get the sampling of the center of the sensor, then it would be possible to optimize one of those Focus box settings to exactly match the framing.

Here's the problem though - I would love to use the Center/TL/TR/BR/BL option - what I did was set it to 5x mode with the 16 to the left / 3 up mode and centered my target.  Then went into the menu and enabled your snap point settings - NONE of them was even close; the TL was far too "up" and "left", the bottom and the rest still not right.  Are you saying one of these snap points should be dead on?

The location of focusing box in /TL/TR/BR/BL settings is approximately right.  I use them as defaults for quick set up.  If you record with any of those four points the target will be almost center because, as I said above, the sensor scanning is moving near that area. 

I found that your setting of 17 and 3 is not exact either so the other may be ok.  Just enable the setting, aim with the focus box in all four positions and review the video.  It will be ok.

Now maybe our DEVs will reprogram one of those settings to match exactly with the recorded image, and call it 5X rec or something like that.  It would be even better if they found out how to record from the center of the sensor.

After further tests I'm thinking 16 to the left and 3 up is better.

My whole logic was get something far enough away that it fills the frame at about the max distance I would use this at (in my case, the 24-70mm @ 70mm (210 mm real world).  Based on that, 16 to the left and 3 up and it was dead center or very close and the recording proved it.
Using the TL crop mark, it was way off - I mean the entire object (a can of compressed air) wasn't even in the frame at all.

It's crucial for me at the 3x crop will mostly be for close-up shots of faces that fill the frame.  I, like you, sure wish it was dead center for 2 reasons - first, it's the sweet spot of the lens, but just as importantly, when you do a slow "zoom out" it would appear to fade cleanly out from the center - not fade out from one direction.

What lens and what distance are you testing this with?  Thanks for all your help - ML raw is about ready for a true alpha ver 1 IMO.

I tested again too just to be sure.

My best framing with canon 50mm f/1.8 is 18 left 3 up!  My previous test now show to be inaccurate.  Will have to test with another lens to see if it is different.

I recommend trying the "Force Left" option and moving the zoom box only 2 steps to the right. This is as close to the center as I could get, and should also improve write speeds.

A1lex has provided us with this special option for those who are intersted in cropped video.  It is now baptized as Frame to the Left:

Why would you be interested in this:

a. To frame your videos as close as possible to the center of the sensor.
b. To get extra writing speed in doing so.

Here is how to do it 5D3 compile de0bcff

1. Put your cam in video mode.
2. In Life View make sure your focusing box is centered by clicking in the joystick until the box is in the center.  (Just in case you have moved it)
3. Center the subject and press 5X zoom
3. Press trash button and enter ML menu.
4. In Overlay tab set Global Draw to On, all modes.
5. In Movie tab enable RAW video, set your resolution, and scroll to Framing, select Force Left
6. Press Q and set your FPS Override if desired.
7. Press half shutter to go back to LV
8. Click the joystick two times to the left and center your subject.
9. Press record button

Note LV will only show in gray and not very smooth.  This is correct but now note that the focusing box is showing you the center of the actual video that will be recorded.

The following pictures show the results of this setup.  The purple shaded image is the frame and the total image represents the entire image from a photo of the setup.  Not all resolutions have been shown.

Note the X represents the center of the frame and it is very close to where the framing, via Global Draw, shows up on the LV screen.

Here is the 640x368 framing:
(http://s20.postimg.org/u13u8msdp/640_5_X_L_2_CL_GD_ON.jpg)

At 1280x720 it is almost centered:
(http://s20.postimg.org/lk4bxpnot/1280_5_X_L_2_C_GD_ON.jpg)

Here is 1920x1088 is a bit to the right:
(http://s20.postimg.org/4xmromur1/1920_5_X_L_2_CL_GD_ON.jpg)

And the largest frame possible
(http://s20.postimg.org/bcqdz1qul/3584_5_XL_2_CL_GD_ON.jpg)

Another option is to set the Framing to center.

In this case and with Global Draw ON, the LV will also show you the correct framing for the video but the crop will be from a different area of the sensor.

Note that if you want 5X to be in color you will have to turn Global Draw OFF and then use the 17 to the left and 3 up trick to get the focusing box to properly frame the video.

Here is an image representing this framing at 1920x1088.

(http://s20.postimg.org/sej8155pp/5_X_1920_GD_ON.jpg)

What a headache.

Did you notice any speed improvements with the "force left" option?

5D3 1c384573 jun 1

1   CF Sandisk 16GB 30MB/s  video 1280x720 required 45 MB/s
     
    All configurations tested only processed 150-151 frames.

----------------------------

2 CF Lexar 1000x 32GB - video 1920x1080 at 29.776p required 103 MB/s

a. Frame center, Global Draw ON, 5X - with 4 test  84+85+99+85= 88 frames
b. Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X - with 4 test  99+133+109+133 = 118 frames
c. Frame  Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X + Hacked - with 4 test  386+184+184+166 = 230 frames
d. Frame Center, Global Draw OFF, 5X (17+3 ticks) - with 4 test  118+142+151+151 = 140 frames
e. Frame Center, Global Draw OFF, 5X (17+3 ticks) + Hacked - with 4 test  265+331+265+249 = 277  frames (fastest)

 

What about force left + GD off + hacked?

It is faster 339+379+364+265+372 = 343 frames  It is the fastest.

Of course the video is not framed right unless GD in On.  It records just the left most side.

Good, I have something for you. Here:

    if (!RAW_IS_IDLE) msleep(250); /* be gentle with the CPU, save it for recording */

replace the 250 with 1000 or 2000. It should be possible to get the maximum speed and still have some sort of preview.

With msleep(1000) there is a boost. (new build 436a9d9)

@  msleep(250 )  Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X - with 4 test  100+117+84+132 = 108 frames
@  msleep(1000) Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X - with 4 test  180+133+142+132 = 146  frames
@  msleep(2000) Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X - with 4 test  99+109+117+84 = 102  frames ??

@  msleep(250 ) Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X HACKED- with 4 test  232+307+298+198 = 258 frames
@  msleep(1000) Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X - HACKED with 4 test  198+297+274+330 = 274  frames
@  msleep(2000) Frame Force Left, Global Draw ON, 5X - HACKED with 4 test  250+298+340+331 = 304  frames

Another possible speed boost from 50D: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/6de809655da4

Found something cool.

While in the new Force Left mode, it is possible to shut off LiveView and properly frame the subject in the center of the video by clicking the joystick five times to the right and three clicks up.

This is good because by using this method you get full color LiveView while recording.  I tested the following video sizes for which it worked, remember this is in 5X mode:

2048x1152
1920x1088
1856x10856
1728x992
1600x928

Below the 1600 size the video center start moving.

Remember that with this mode you are getting the video crop almost at the center of the lens!

Here is a comparison table including toadays build for writting speed:

5D3 with Lexar 1000x
1920x1088 at 29.97 fps at 5X with Frame to Left option:

                         june 1st          June 2nd          June 3rd
GD ON               118                 108                  110
GD OFF              -----                ----                  129
GD on hacked    230                258                   292
GD OFF Hacked  343                 ---                    350

it seems that there has been a slight increase on the new build june 3rd 6e6ba5352

After I review the frames I will update for pink finds if any...

In the builds of June 1st and 2nd I did find occasionally a pink frame sometimes at the beginning some times in the middle.

But on today's build, not one single pink or corrupt frame!!!!!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on June 03, 2013, 08:29:43 PM
Here is a comparison table including toadays build for writting speed:

5D3 with Lexar 1000x
1920x1088 at 29.97 fps at 5X with Frame to Left option:

                         june 1st          June 2nd          June 3rd
GD ON               118                 108                  110
GD OFF              -----                ----                  129
GD on hacked    230                258                   292
GD OFF Hacked  343                 ---                    350

it seems that there has been a slight increase on the new build june 3rd 6e6ba5352

After I review the frames I will update for pink finds if any...

In the builds of June 1st and 2nd I did find occasionally a pink frame sometimes at the beginning some times in the middle.

But on today's build, not one single pink or corrupt frame!!!!!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Can you post today's build somewhere?  :)

Tutorial of shooting crop raw:

No offense, but this is already really out of date.  Using the Crop left marks works better now, there is no 17 to the left and 8 up - it's changed a few build ago to 17 to the left and 3 up (unless you're using the better crop left).  Also, you should see the FPS override is now 23.976.

The thing that irks me with this method is it assumes you have a subject dead center before you begin recording - what if I'm shooting a moving target and can't center it up before I go 1:1?

If the subject is off-center, use the dolly mode and pan until you frame it correctly. Use grayscale preview for correct framing.

My thoughts about this, when using the Canon preview option...

You can combine the new "Focus box: snap points: center to x5" with "Force Left" framing, and this will get you quickly to the center of  your recording area when in crop mode by just clicking the joystick.  But you will need to watch out for lens distortion if you are using a wide angle lenses such as the Tokina 11-16 or any focal length which exhibits moderate distortion near the edges. The method I just described is great for run and gun situations where you want to quickly punch into crop mode, click the joystick to center the recording area, and record.  But the focus box is so over to the left side of the frame where distortion lives, that it can ruin your shot.  I conducted a quick test video to illustrate the problems this can cause with your shot.



Ultimately, I've settled on using a different method for crop mode... I use force left framing, with the focus box 5 clicks to the right, 3 up.  It keeps me closer to the center of the lense in a more distortion free zone of the lense.  I just always leave the focus box there and try not  to move it so I'm always ready if I need to quickly enter crop mode.  This location may not work for other cameras so Alex is trying to keep the code related to focus point snap points as portable as possible, thus the current location of the snap point.

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/afa12e80e721

Now it's as easy as moving the focus box wherever you want, pressing zoom and recording.

;)

Quote from: a1ex on June 07, 2013, 09:30:23 AM
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/afa12e80e721

Now it's as easy as moving the focus box wherever you want, pressing zoom and recording.

;)

I hoped you'd get there.  Big improvement in usability.   :D

Does this mean that if the focus box is in the center of liveview, a crop occurs from the portion of the frame coming from exact center of the lense?

Well, a very close approximation.

Outstanding.

i dont have this setting on my 5dmk3 Center to 5X RAW , i hafe the 2.3 version of ML on my 5Dmk3, but i cant find this setting.
Do i hafe to install somthing?

You have to begin with:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

I am having some type of bad frames when I shoot cropped video above 1428 width at 29.97 fps.  I have gone back to june 3rd builds and still get them above 1600 width. 

I dont recall getting this vertical bland so I am wondering if it is just my cam?

(http://s20.postimg.org/r9almeip9/framw.jpg)

Update after 5 hours of testing..

I found out that this can be mostly fixed by using FPS override.  I was able to eliminate this type of frames by tweaking Timer B to get fps=29.71   instead of the preselected 29.976.

Reproduced.

Does the preview type affect the results?

I hope this isn't too stupid a question:

Is there any prospect of cropped mode working with any other camera?

One difference between my 60D and 600D/T3i is that Canon offer a 3x-10x zoom mode on the latter, while filming.

I only use 3x, as that is essentially lossless (close to actual pixels of the sensor).

I had hoped for some time that this functionality might be brought to the 60D, but in truth, the ML hack may be better :)

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on June 07, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
You have to begin with:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

Same here ! And i allready have read the Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links...
Any Help ??

This should fix the issue (at least for me): https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/150a9c5810834e60da6311282d61aabc267ad9a7

Needs some testing at all resolutions though.

Reporting commit f6317d61  of today.  5D3 with lexar 1000x

Tested for bad frames at 5X, fps 29.97 with fps override. 

Noticed that with Global Draw ON CPU at 100% most of the time.

Bad frames at 1920x1080, 1856x1044, 1728x972

Good frames at 1600x900

Sometimes good frames at 1728x972 with Global Draw OFF

Global draw is vague, there are a ton of overlays under it...

I can no longer reproduce the issue, all these resolutions are clean for me.

I tested a few options of turning On and Off but could not get any improvement until I tested 1728x  The I recorded without bad frames with histogram off. 

More test on the same issue...

Force Left definitely helps clear up bad frames, but get some problems still at 1920x1080
Force Left plus Hacked solves the problem of bad frames, tested at 1920x, 1854x, 1728x
Force Left plus Hacked plus Memory Hack allows for almost continuous recording at 1920x1080 29.97 fps at 5X without bad frames.

I'm sure this has been answered somewhere before but I couldn't find it.  Is there a 10x recording mode enabled?  If not, will it be enabled or should I assume we will only have 5x?  Is 5x 1:1 pixels or is 10x?

I've been shooting with June 15th build on the 5dIII and then output from 5x and 10x are identical.  I'm getting perfect unlimited recording at 1920 x 1080 on a KomputerBay 64gb.

LOL the speed of development is so fast it's hard to follow...

Hi TheJturner

From what I understand, the developers have tapped into an existing stream of video that occurs when the x5 or x10 mode is selected, and it uses roughly the 1920 x 1080 centre-ish most pixels of the 5760 x 3840 pixel sensor, and is therefore a 1:1 pixel map.

This 1:1 pixel view gives a final image zoom effect that it approximately x3 larger than the full sensor "5760 x 3840" pixels scaled down to 1920 x 1080.


The x5 and x10 modes then magnify this 1:1 pixel stream (no increase in quality or detail)


Therefore, you wouldn't benefit in quality from what you are asking for and you can achieve the same result by simply scaling it up in post.

When you use the x5 or x10 mode, the camera is still only recording the 1:1 (x3 scale) pixels even though you see it as x5 or x10 on the LCD. (the B&W view in x5 mode may be x3 now, I've not checked as I don't use it to record)

So crop is constricted to max 30fps at the moment, could anybody confirm? thx

Quote from: moswanted on June 20, 2013, 09:28:06 AM
So crop is constricted to max 30fps at the moment, could anybody confirm? thx

You could set it to lower in override fps but I don,t think it can be faster. Maybe in 1280x50/60fps modes?

When i set 720/50 and record in crop mode he automatically sets fps override to 30, even if it was on 50 before. No matter what resolution... So FPS in crop mode seems to be max 30.

With the latest build I Don't have "framing options" anymore ,only Dolly mode On or Off.
is that right ?
sorry for any inconvenience.

And what's wrong with that?

Quote from: uiane on June 25, 2013, 01:49:04 AM
With the latest build I Don't have "framing options" anymore ,only Dolly mode On or Off.
is that right ?
sorry for any inconvenience.

Framing modes was removed in 22nd or 24th Build as far as I'm aware.
Don't worry, things will come and go as it gets tweaked often, you'll get use too it  ;)

I have not been able to locate a thread dealing with the in-camera dolly/slide aspect of cropped video. Anyone know of a thread or a video related to this?

Hello, I'm getting a black bar on the right when I do 3x. It's not there the first few frames then it pops up. I followed all of the settings from the video, 24P 1080 build from couple days ago 5d3 with a Kombuterbay 1000x 64.

Also does 3x the only zoom factor that works? I thought it would go in 2 levels. When I push the zoom button again it goes in on the screen but same mag factor on record.

Quote from: robmbrown on July 15, 2013, 01:37:30 AM
Hello, I'm getting a black bar on the right when I do 3x. It's not there the first few frames then it pops up. I followed all of the settings from the video, 24P 1080 build from couple days ago 5d3 with a Kombuterbay 1000x 64.

Also does 3x the only zoom factor that works? I thought it would go in 2 levels. When I push the zoom button again it goes in on the screen but same mag factor on record.

Move the joystick to the left. Probably about 7 or so steps. I'm not sure WHY it happens, but move your recording area over, fixes it.

I'm having the same black bar problem mentioned above with Lourenco's 16th July build (quite large, about 15% of the right side). It has happened in many of the cropped videos that I've recorded but not in every of them, some are clear and have the full 1920x1080 image. I don't remember moving the AF box around nor I change any settings during the recording. In the global draw preview it displayed correctly. Also I think I played at least one of the affected videos on camera and it covered the full screen. Could it be a raw2dng bug?

I'd be happy to upload reference frames and provide any info to help to solve the issue. As a side note I had "Small hacks" ON during the recording.

Sorry I think I found the answer.

On what cameras is this feature working? i guess 5DM3, 5DM3 and 50D, but what about 60D or TX? Thanks!

Hey there, I'm sure this has been asked and answered somewhere. Is it possible to shoot 50 fps in crop mode? When I set fps override to 50 it gets set as 30.8

Yes, but not on Canon cameras.

This is an amazing addition to Magic Lantern. Absolutely brilliant work!  :)

But one small question; i don't understand why the 3x magnification can't be used in photo mode as well as movie mode?

Quote from: V3-571G on August 07, 2013, 07:14:48 PM
This is an amazing addition to Magic Lantern. Absolutely brilliant work!  :)

But one small question; i don't understand why the 3x magnification can't be used in photo mode as well as movie mode?

You can store the whole image so you can crop it later on. However, it would be useful if you want to take still images very fast or don't want to store the unnecessary part of the image for memory card reasons. The zoom function is really usefull in video mode, where you can't store the whole image.

Not sure if this is just still a bug with the 5D 3 raw builds (nothing comes up when i search)... but 5X goes all wonky on me in LV but DOES record... 10X displays fine but records at 5X and not 10X. And if i try to cycle through WHILE recording, it crashes. Using ML to disable 5X also has no effect, not sure if related to this. Searching 5x on forums gives me no results at all.

So to repeat: im able to record 5X cropped with LV being all screwy... but 10x records as 5x but displays fine (as 10).

There is not recording at 10X, although it could be useful if the devs found a way to do it.
Cannot cycle while recording, this is not possible, it does not work.  Hopefully devs will disable this so that the camera does not crash.

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on August 26, 2013, 02:01:02 AM
There is not recording at 10X, although it could be useful if the devs found a way to do it.
Cannot cycle while recording, this is not possible, it does not work.  Hopefully devs will disable this so that the camera does not crash.

Great, thanks for clearing it up. Perhaps the OP should make that clear?

I don't think people really realize how awesome this is.  Not just for movies, but for stills too.
Since you can go way above 1920x1080 for short clips, your 70-200 2.8 IS II lens now becomes a 24 FPS 210-600mm 2.8 BEAST.  Twice as fast as the 1dx.  No, you won't have full high resolution 22 megapixel stills, but boy, you sure can get "the moment" for smaller prints and long distance sports shooting.
It's fricking amazing.

Hello I just put the latest version of ML,  for my 5D m3, but when I record in H264 and not RaW, I have a message warning that the audio is disabled. why?

Quote from: Braam544 on October 14, 2013, 10:10:06 AM
Hello I just put the latest version of ML,  for my 5D m3, but when I record in H264 and not RaW, I have a message warning that the audio is disabled. why?

Stop double posting and read the forum rules.
While in video mode go to Canon menu and enable audio.

I think it should be mentioned that setting the image quality to jpeg allows you to record more frames (as the buffer size is bigger) on some cameras (for instance 7D).

Quote from: Astronick on October 24, 2013, 11:13:56 PM
I think it should be mentioned that setting the image quality to jpeg allows you to record more frames (as the buffer size is bigger) on some cameras (for instance 7D).

On other cameras, say 650D, contrarily, setting RAW gives more memory.

But since the title is "5D3 & others", it is a bit misleading to write

VERY IMPORTANT
Make sure that in Canon Menu:
Image Quality = Raw

when this setting depends on the camera.

I'm just trying to improve the How-to :)

A table with optimal picture quality setting for each camera would be nice, and I think it deserves a separate topic.

I have change the OP post.  If someone test and confirms the test with proof that a different setting is optimal I will update the post.

Sorry if this has been covered somewhere before, but when recording in crop mode on the 5d3 is the framing correct? And if you shoot 1080 can you still use other ML functions such as peaking?

Thanks in advance

Maybe this was answered somewhere, but I couldn't find it.

When I enable 'FPS override' with 'exact FPS' optimization (to utilize crop mode at 23.976 FPS), my shutter speed changes from 1/48 to 1/33.7 (256 deg). If I adjust my shutter speed to attain 1/48 (180 deg), my canon shutter speed and the readout in the ml overlay, reads 1/80.  What is the correct shutter speed, the one listed in the ML menu or the one on the canon top LCD / ML shutter speed overlay?  I want to use both crop and normal raw modes and have a 180 degree shutter. Sorry if this question has already been answered.  Appreciate any and all help. Thank you!

Quote from: a1ex on October 25, 2013, 11:14:12 AM
A table with optimal picture quality setting for each camera would be nice, and I think it deserves a separate topic.

yes, that would be nice.

Quote from: RenatoPhoto on October 25, 2013, 01:57:03 PM
I have change the OP post.  If someone test and confirms the test with proof that a different setting is optimal I will update the post.

Hi RP,

I have the latest commit (31 December 2013) loaded on my 5D3. How do I get the camera to record in crop mode. Can't see any option?

Quote from: Canon eos m on January 02, 2014, 04:24:24 PM
Hi RP,

I have the latest commit (31 December 2013) loaded on my 5D3. How do I get the camera to record in crop mode. Can't see any option?

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When I press the magnify button, I keep getting the message"The image cannot be magnified in live view mode".

While in LV you press the zoom before you start recording.

Done that already. Get the message on the screen. It does not accept any magnification unless I put the lens on manual focus and there too the camera goes out of magnification the moment I press the recording button.

You have to enable Live mode in Canon Menu (fourth red shoot menu) for AF mode, also set Live View shoot to enable.
Currently you have AF mode to "(smile) Live mode"  smile=Face detection mode

5D3 manual pg203

Sorted. Thanks a ton!

Hi,
Do you think it would be feasible to implement an ON/OFF switch in order to record in cropped mode ?

I was traveling the other week and knew that in some way there was a possibility of recording like so... But didn't know how to do it. So I looked everywhere in the menus, to no avail...
Getting back I checked the tutorials, and for sure I couldn't have figured it out by myself. Many steps are involded in order to enter this "hidden" mode. It would be great if one could enable it with just the push of a button.

But again, it may be hard to code to make it available, I have no idea...

Hello guys!

1.Why video on Canon 600d in resolution 768x432 is cropped?Square in LiveView.It is possible to make image on full LiveView?

2.Video is not good quality.In daylight so so.In lamp light verry yelllow and noisy.It my post processing problem or something else?

Video in daylight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLgX6KDlrE&list=UUZ2Hmd0aJWBMoE592PdlITA&feature=c4-overview

Video in lamp light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDOu2hx7fqA&list=UUZ2Hmd0aJWBMoE592PdlITA&feature=c4-overview

Hi all. Firstly thanks for all the hard work!

I really need to know why hdmi monitors crash the 5d3 whilst recording crop-mode raw??
Everything works perfect in normal raw recording but NOT crop-mode??
Ive tried a few monitors and Ive updated to the latest build, etc.

Nothing works please help :(

Does anyone out there know if there is ANY way to view 3x crop mode (not 5x) through the viewfinder, in color?

I've discovered that I can indeed see the 3x crop through the viewfinder if I turn on Global View and set the Preview to ML_Greyscale, but I do a lot of focusing on the run, and the glitchy greyscale image I get is just too degraded to grab good focus on the fly.

Am I missing something?

I'm using the Aug 22 build.

So, went fiddling with the awesome 3x zoom feature again on my 5d mark 3. Don,t know if this been discussed but based on my findings I have a few questions.
When global draw is on I actually get the correct framing when zoom pushed in. VERY useful indeed. When I halfpress the shutter I even get a color screen! When I hit record the already slow framerate with global draw on becomes even slower. Fine.
Solution. After framing with global draw on I hit INFO button and I,m instantly back in 5x mode and realtime liveview and I can start filming. When getting back after recording I have to hit INFO button about three times to get back to global draw mode again.
Update* I can go in and out of Global Draw while filming for framing purposes while filming. Very useful.

Interested in any findings to this from others. Question raised to why the picture can,t be in color all the time when in global draw on like when I half press my shutter?
As a feature it would be nice to be able to toggle between global draw on and off with one button to get in and out of framing between 3x and 5x mode choosing between realtime liveview and correct framing. Preferably in color.

update* Actually when I do following

"ML Prefs>LV Display Presets
Set the value to 2"
I can toggle in and out of correct framing and realtime liveview simply by hitting "info" button. COOL!
Only thing now is to get the color to stay color without pressing halfshutter...

Thanks!
/D

QuoteI really need to know why hdmi monitors crash the 5d3 whilst recording crop-mode raw??
Everything works perfect in normal raw recording but NOT crop-mode??
Ive tried a few monitors and Ive updated to the latest build, etc.

Nothing works please help

My 5D3 doesn't crash but records weird frames randomly. Only with HDMI monitor attatched and in crop mode. My settings are:
5D3
HDMI monitor conected.
Komputerbay 1000x 64Gb
14 January 2014 build
MLV video
1920x1080
1920 30-I (in Canon menu)
Cropped mode,
16:9 aspect ratio,
Preview auto or Canon (the result of weird frames are same in both preview modes),
fps override 25,
Exact fps,
Frame skipping OFF
Global Draw ON (tested with global draw OFF same weird frames)
Image Quality = Raw
Auto Lighting Optimizer = OFF
Long exp. noise reduction = OFF
High ISO speed NR = OFF
Highlight tone priority = OFF
Multiple Exposure = Disable
HDR Mode = Disable HDR

I'm interested to know if someone can record cropped video without weird frames and a similar configuration (HDMI monitor conected).

If I disconect monitor all is ok. But dificult to get image in focus (cycling footage) with the in camera screen!!!!!.

Thanks and sorry for my bad english!!.

Hey thanks for responding! Wow so u got it working!
Sorry u get random weird frames tho..
Please tell us what hdmi monitor you are using because I've tried 2 different monitors and my camera crashes (same build and settings as you)
Thanks

I'm going around all forum and find same problem for some people (weird frames, but without monitor connected. Answers were not enought cpu power (from camera). For me is allways recording crop mode and MLV. Don't tested yet with normal RAW.

My monitor is a Neway CL76HO-X.

This is same as my weird frame: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10257.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10257.0)

Few tests after, I have no weird frames recording with raw_rec.mo in 3x crop mode (1920x1080) with monitor connected. So for me solution is this. Don't have audio is not a problem in 3x mode due to distance from camera to subject.

So weird frames only in mlv_rec.mo and a hdmi monitor connected.

can i ask you about a monitor Neway CL76HO-X.

i am thinkin to buy the same one..

Where did you buy one(from personal view?)

what was the price and are you from EU?

how it works for you with your 5d3 and does it have some light leaks ?


Thank you

I think we are off topic.

Monitor is ok for me but every person is different and have different necessities. It's cheap monitor so don't expect so much. I'm from Spain. I buyed in PV, yes. There you have a lot of info.

QuoteMy 5D3 doesn't crash but records weird frames randomly. Only with HDMI monitor attatched and in crop mode. My settings are:
5D3
HDMI monitor conected.
Komputerbay 1000x 64Gb
14 January 2014 build
MLV video
1920x1080
1920 30-I (in Canon menu)
Cropped mode,
16:9 aspect ratio,
Preview auto or Canon (the result of weird frames are same in both preview modes),
fps override 25,
Exact fps,
Frame skipping OFF
Global Draw ON (tested with global draw OFF same weird frames)
Image Quality = Raw
Auto Lighting Optimizer = OFF
Long exp. noise reduction = OFF
High ISO speed NR = OFF
Highlight tone priority = OFF
Multiple Exposure = Disable
HDR Mode = Disable HDR

I'm interested to know if someone can record cropped video without weird frames and a similar configuration (HDMI monitor conected).

If I disconect monitor all is ok. But dificult to get image in focus (cycling footage) with the in camera screen!!!!!.

Thanks and sorry for my bad english!!.

UPDATED:
After extensive tests, I get random weird frames not only in MLV_rec.mo, also in RAW_rec.mo
Always with hdmi monitor connected and 3x crop video. Tested in 1920x1080!!!!

Weird frames are exactly the same as mhimhi shows here:http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10257.new#new (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10257.new#new)

I see almost clear that is hdmi related problem. No monitor, no weird frames... So is a not enought cpu power in camera or not? Anybody knows?

Thank you very much.

Wish I could help you on that one, I get some weird frames in crop-mode sometimes with no monitor hdmi attached..

Im still trying to record crop-mode with hdmi monitor tho.. I cant work out why  because Ive tried everything

Read this:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10443 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10443)

I'm not doing a lot of tests yet but I think there is a solution for pink frames!!!!! And now included in nightly builds...

Is there any reason why this wouldnt work on a hdmi monitor? I am fine recording cropped and have been for 9 months with my canon screen display but when connecting a hdmi monitor is freezes in cropped mode on the first frame. unplug my monitor, works fine.. though i can record raw perfectly fine with the monitor, its only issue is when i am in crop mode.. i have tried searching for this issue but cant find anything

PS, Monitor is a smallHD 6

Earlier in the thread I seen a statement that it's impossible to make crop raw video frame aligned with center. Is it true? This shift goes beyond simple inconvenience (I made crop marks for resolutions I use). To keep plane of focus perpendicular to the line of view, you have to be off side when you shoot. Moreover, sharpness, CA and vignetting are asymmetrical, which affect final quality.

Under good daylight conditions and when I don't need shallow depth of field, I'd opt for crop mode with 2-2.5k, but aforementioned problems make it questionable.

Hi,
I'm trying to record cropped video on 5D II. It looks very good, but there is one bad side.
When I'm using 5x magnification mode in camera and ML set to RAW record camera screen goes to BW and very low contrast.
It's hard to see anything on this screen when recording. Is there any solution?

(5D3) I read through this thread, but did not see anything that would directly answer my question; apologies if I missed it somewhere. Is it possible to record MLV audio while in crop mode? When I record a video in crop mode with audio enabled, it stops when a frame is skipped as normal, but liveview does not return automatically and the top LCD status indicator flashes "busy" when trying to change settings. I have to remove the battery to return it to a functioning state, although turning the camera to off does close the mirror and appear to shut it down. An MLV video of approximately the correct size is created, but an indexing error is displayed when trying to play it back in the camera through the ML file manager.

Quote from: chaoss on August 08, 2015, 09:14:06 PM
I'm trying to record cropped video on 5D II. It looks very good, but there is one bad side.
When I'm using 5x magnification mode in camera and ML set to RAW record camera screen goes to BW and very low contrast.
It's hard to see anything on this screen when recording. Is there any solution?

Didn't notice your question until now, As a 5D2 power user (at least I seemed to thinks so  :D) I try to make a effort to answer any
5D2 Raw video questions.
Ok I made a short video tutorial about the preview in 3xCrop mode (below), basically you press & hold the half shutter button .
Depending on the nightly build you are using ! it should work .

5D3, magiclantern-Nightly.2015Aug19.5D3113.
Now there is a good option to set Focus box for good framing in crop mode.
Pref\Focus Box settings\Snap points - Centre to x5RAW. It works good, but  this point is too far from centre.
The another good point is closer to the centre - 5 steps to the right plus 3 steps down. Is it possible to change Snap points - Centre to x5RAW to this point?
Thanks very much to all developers.

Hi there,
There is a great walk through for the 5D3 how to do RAW Digital Cropped Video. Could you please point me to one for a 5D2? I am at a loss why I can't do cropped recording. All seems set up ok but after selecting 5x magnification the image goes back to 1x after I press the record button.
Thank you in advance.

Maybe try 10x magnification? [emoji6]

Thank you DeafEyeJedi, unfortunately that doesn't work for me either.

Sorry sold my 5D2 long ago and please stand by for others to chime in shortly.

@vk4tnt sorry couldn't answer you earlier , I'm deep in editing/grading a movie so my time is very limited for ML at the moment .
OK so what nightly build date are you using ?
Camera setting ? e.g. frame override , fps, frame resolution etc.....
And to be sure with are on the same page , you press the (5x) button Once Right ? or Twice ?
So the only way you will revert to 1:1 from 3X crop mode when recording is started is if you when to 10x zoom , which is pressing the Zoom button Twice.
Unless there a bug in the latest nightly build , it should work just fine.

@reddeercity
Thank you for your reply. Please find below the answers to your questions.

Canon settings:

Quality RAW
Video system PAL
Live View function Stills+Movie Exposure simulation
Movie rec. size 1920x1080 / 24

ML version: Nightly2015Aug195D2212
Bit Rate (CBR) up to 1.5
FPS override OFF or 29.970 (can's change to 23.976)
Actual FPS can't be changed from 29.970
HDR video OFF
RAW video or RAW video(MLV) ON 1856x1044 (tried one or the other or both)
Aspect Ratio 16:9
Global Draw OFF (if ON no magnify 5x possible)

I have only pressed the magnify button once and it displayed 5x on the screen.

Thank you for your support. I was hoping to use the function for the Lunar Occultation next week.

Quote from: vk4tnt on September 30, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
Video system PAL

Here is where the problems is , change to NTSC

Quote from: vk4tnt on September 30, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
Movie rec. size 1920x1080 / 24

you can't to my knowledge you can't have mixed formats (pal dose 25p not 24p)

Quote from: vk4tnt on September 30, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
FPS override OFF or 29.970 (can't change to 23.976)

That's because you are set to pal change to ntsc

If you what to use 25p just use frame override to overcrank to 25p
in fact to can overcrank the 5d2 to 32 fps in 24p mode in the canon menu.

FYI, crop mode default fps is 30p not matter what you set in the canon menu.
So you must use "frame override" to lock the frame rate to 24p , 25p or what every you like.
and set it to "Exact" in the submenu of frame override .

Give that try and see what happens.

Thank you for the quick replay. I tried what you suggested:

Change to NTSC
Change to 30FPS
Changed to exact FPS

Unfortunately it still does not work. Could you please let me know which is the latest nigtly build that works for you, the one I saw in your youtube video is not available on the download site.

All 382 builds for 5D2.212 at your service: https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D2.212/

Thanks Walter

@vk4tnt, Ok I think I know your issue . when pressing record in crop mode it's your Liveview that go back to 1:1 view but still records in crop mode.
I just tested the latest nightly build(Oct.1/2015) an all is well , you will not get crop framing in Liveview while recording. Just in Standby.
This is the builds I use and the one's that's in the video tutorial
v2.3.NEXT.2014Feb16.5D2212.Raw.Ver.2.0 (https://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D2.212/206/artifact/platform/5D2.212/magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2014Feb16.5D2212.zip) and this one Oct.24/13 Raw Ver 1.0 (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/laboratory/downloads/af9a60fe144d.zip)

Just a little side note: when I did test the latest nightly I notice you could not get to 1/48th of second shutter in 1:1 closest was 1/45th & crop mode was 1/53th
so something is off here. In the older builds I uses , 1:1 is 1/47th of second  & crop is 1/50th of course that in 24p.
Plus I notice a whole bunch of Extra resolutions I though was unnecessary.
Not sure what going on in the nightly builds for the 5D2 , I'll have to do some investigation not sure I like what I see.

Hi David,
I would like to confirm that it works now. Using your published revision I can record in 3x crop mode. Thanks a bunch, I will publish a sample soon.

@vk4tnt Your Welcome , I'm Glad you gone it working.

@reddeercity
I figured out what I did wrong and not being able to do 3x crop recording. Never thought about it, but I had Exposure Simulation enabled in the Canon LV menu. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/Smileys/aaron/shocked.gif
Here we go, mea culpa!
Thanks for your help :-)

Hello,

I don't know if this question was already asked before but every users of ML know how work the native monitoring in 3X crop mode (ML greyscale is slow and zoomed picture for the canon normal liveview)
I wish to know if it's possible to get a more fast picture with the ML greyscale mode if i use an external monitor or else the problem will be the same ?


I use a 5D mark III, 113 version.

Are there a difference between CROP MODE in RAW 1:1 3x and 1:1 CENTERED x5 Zoom, and Zoom without CROP Mode?

I perceive the only one is the Centered, with some pixel to the center. But I'm sure there are more than I know.

THank You.

Hi budafilms, 

When you set crop module to RAW 1:1 3x then as soon as you enter video mode the 3X zoom factor is applied and you get perfect canon like view that is centered.  This mode is limited to a max resolution of 1920x1080, you can go smaller but not larger.  Other options like 60 fps recording is also possible but the resolution changes to 1920x648 or smaller.  Finally this module can also be used with standard canon video.

In 1:1 CENTERED x5 Zoom the video mode begins in the standard un-zoomed mode and then you can zoom by pressing the zoom button.  Here you get  the gray-preview for framing and you can increase the resolution beyond the 1920x1080.

Since this requires to use the special crop_module it has a separate thread for more details on how it works here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17021.0

Any additional discussions regarding this "special" module should go there.

Thank you!

Hi Magic Lantern users,
I haven't been updating my ml build for 2 years now..
is there already a way to see the proper and right frame when recording in crop mode?
It sucks that we see the 5x magnification, but actualy its recording in 3x magnification.
Any workaround?

Thanks so much

Quote from: clemento on September 13, 2017, 02:25:29 PM
Hi Magic Lantern users,
I haven't been updating my ml build for 2 years now..
is there already a way to see the proper and right frame when recording in crop mode?
It sucks that we see the 5x magnification, but actualy its recording in 3x magnification.
Any workaround?

Thanks so much

Check out the experimental builds. There's a very nice crop mode activated with the zoom button that gives the correct framing.

https://builds.magiclantern.fm/experiments.html

thanks for the tip :)

Hey Guys, was searching through this thread but didn't see the answer. I use 5D3.

When shooting 10x magnification 10-bit 1920x1080 5fps low light, everything works perfect, recording running green, light is flashing allocating etc... BUT there are no .MLV at the card when I put it to reader.

Did anything similar happen to you? Do you know where could be the problem?

Thank you for the reply!