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Using Magic Lantern => Raw Video => Topic started by: olik on May 15, 2013, 08:19:46 AM

Title: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 08:19:46 AM
Hey folks,

I thought to open a specific topic for all discussions related to raw video on the 5dmk2.

Obsolete builds removed.  Please use official nightly builds //Audionut

Here is an easy guide on how to shoot raw with the 5dmk2 by forum member "CrewOfOne"  http://crewofone.com/2013/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-canon-5d2-5d3-or-6d (http://crewofone.com/2013/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-canon-5d2-5d3-or-6d)

Here are some of my resolution tests:

SanDisk 16GB Extreme Pro 600x
Magic lantern Build 16Mai 17:14

1440x840@25 =  until 4GB limit                  50,7MB/sec
1644x900@25 = 1683 frames                     56,3MB /sec
1738x840@25 = 423 frames                        57.1MB/sec
1880x720@25 = 1531 frames (regression)   57,3MB/sec
1880x768@25 = 867 frames                        58,4MB/ sec
1880x840@25 = 213 frames                    ca 58,6MB/sec



Thanks
Oli
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 15, 2013, 08:33:03 AM
I can not find it anymore in the forum how to add different resolutions, I would like to test those:
1440x810 (16:9)
1440x778 (1.85:1)
1600x865 (1.85:1)
1880x787 (2.39:1)

You mean not the standard ones in the menu, but a customized resolution?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
yep.
All though I have no clue how to calculate bit rates, I want to find out what the highest resolutions in 16:9 / 1.85:1 / 2.39:1 can be on the 5dmk2 with try and error.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 08:40:39 AM
ah found it http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34126#msg34126
will test this later
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 15, 2013, 08:44:17 AM
Don't know about bitrates, but till now the MAX resolution(after my tests) without framedropping is 1880x720...With or without global drawn.
This res is the closest to your wanted 1880x787.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 08:49:25 AM
Yes, but the aspect ratio is not really 2.39:1,  I also think most people want 16:9, so at the moment people would need to choose 1280x720, but if  1880x720 works witout problems, then, I am sure 1600x900 should be doable too. This would be a fair increase from 720 and still be 16:9.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 15, 2013, 08:54:06 AM
of course. The great thing is that every day there's an improvement. Maybe if I give up for a week I will find an usable 4K RAW mode  ;D

Anyway I will try an upscale from 720p to 1080p, maybe the RAW res will hold it up!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 08:58:07 AM
someone already posed some tests, where he upscaled raw 720p to 1080 and compared it with h264 1080. Conclusion, the raw 720 is still sharper than 1080 h264 :-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 15, 2013, 09:09:36 AM
Great thread!

That's also the maximum frame sizes I can get 1880x720, unless I go to 30fps mode, then I have to go even lower.

Does anyone here uses a mac for all the workflow this needs?
Title: Raw video on 5DMK2 1280x720 upscaled to 1920x1080
Post by: ted ramasola on May 15, 2013, 10:47:19 AM
MkII video of shiny and detailed objects with resolution charts at the end.
This also shows the importance of using the mosaic filter for the mkII.
Since I don't have a fast CF card yet, I just coaxed my poor 133x CF to capture what it could.. :(

For those wanting to see upscaled 1280x720 from the mkII, most of the video was shot at this resolution.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ahram on May 15, 2013, 11:08:41 AM
Thanks Ted for your test, and thanks to all the magic lantern team for so good work.
I own a 5d mark2 and think that besides resolution of raw, the most important thing is the choices we'd have in postproduction. I made some tests colour correcting with mark3 footage and it is awesome. No bandings, no artifacts, and to me is a relief get rid of h264 codec.

Thanks all and sorry for my english.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: X-RAY on May 15, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
Has it been already tested whether a very fast (Komputerbay 1000x) Card even brings any advantages over slower Cards (around 600x) in the 5D2?
I'm just trying to find the cheapest card that is fast enough for not getting any limitations. Or isn't that already clear at the moment (in terms of upcoming possibilities)?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 15, 2013, 11:24:23 AM
Has it been already tested whether a very fast (Komputerbay 1000x) Card even brings any advantages over slower Cards (around 600x) in the 5D2?
I'm just trying to find the cheapest card that is fast enough for not getting any limitations. Or isn't that already clear at the moment (in terms of upcoming possibilities)?

I'm also like you, waiting for someone with a 5d2 and a fast card to confirm the performance gains. I hate to buy expensive card only to know it could have been done cheaply.

I saw some testers using 600x cards and they say they had drop frames at higher resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: t2scorp on May 15, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
I'll receive my Komputerbay 1000x card tomorrow and make some test shots.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 15, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
I'll receive my Komputerbay 1000x card tomorrow and make some test shots.

Your feedback from your tests would be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Pat1 on May 15, 2013, 11:42:22 AM
I'll receive my Komputerbay 1000x card tomorrow and make some test shots.

Would be interesting to see what your findings are, I've ordered one oft hose Komputerbay cards too.
Haven't tried the raw_rec yet but presumably need firmware 2.1.2 for the faster cards to work?

Has anyone put together a rough guide on the whole setup for 5d mk2?
thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: X-RAY on May 15, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
Yeah, that would be great.
It would be helpful to know at what speed the internal controller of the 5D2 reaches its peak. Or isn't that the case?

@ t2scorp
Do you also have a 600x or 800x card?

@ Pat1
A brief guide to get the right version that worked for me:

I took the latest nightly for the 5D2
Obsolete builds removed.  Please use official nightly builds //Audionut

Then you need the RAW Module and just put it on the card
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34569#msg34569
In ML you need to load the module under the "M" register.
You now have the "RAW Video" button in the video register.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 15, 2013, 12:04:53 PM
With my SanDisk Extreme 60 mb/s I am getting about 300 frames at 1880 x 720 until it starts dropping frames and continuous recording at 1280 x 720, too bad the moire is so bad, it appears in places I wouldn't expect usually...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: tuzzio on May 15, 2013, 12:09:47 PM
Heyhey guys.. couldn't sleep this night because of that raw news.. :D

can someone reupload the raw module for the mk2.. link from coutts is down since i've tried it

thank you so much
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Pat1 on May 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
Yeah, that would be great.
It would be helpful to know at what speed the internal controller of the 5D2 reaches its peak. Or isn't that the case?

@ t2scorp
Do you also have a 600x or 800x card?

@ Pat1
A brief guide to get the right version that worked for me:

I took the latest nightly for the 5D2
Obsolete builds removed.  Please use official nightly builds //Audionut

Then you need the RAW Module and just put it on the card
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34569#msg34569
In ML you need to load the module under the "M" register.
You now have the "RAW Video" button in the video register.


Thanks a lot, will try it tonight.

Would be good to see when someone gets 1080 working how it compares to 5d3, I suppose the difference is aa filter?

Also using OSX, any issues with this?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: t2scorp on May 15, 2013, 12:43:13 PM
Would be interesting to see what your findings are, I've ordered one oft hose Komputerbay cards too.
Haven't tried the raw_rec yet but presumably need firmware 2.1.2 for the faster cards to work?

Has anyone put together a rough guide on the whole setup for 5d mk2?
thanks
UDMA7 is available since firmware 2.0.9.

@ t2scorp
Do you also have a 600x or 800x card?


No, the fastest card at the moment is a 30mb Sandisk and i get quite a long time 1280x720 without dropping frames.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: iverha on May 15, 2013, 01:56:41 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum, and quite new to ML.
I have tried to read most of the posts about raw recording on 5d mark II, but I can't understand all of it.

Basically, all I need is a full HD 1920x1080 raw at 24fps (or 23,976). If it's possible also at 25fps that would be good.
Is this possible, or is this only possible with the 5dmark III? What about the 6d?
(I btw have a SanDisk Extreme Pro at 90mb/s)

I know it's under development, but if someone knows the answer already, I would really appreciate it!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: t2scorp on May 15, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
Hi iverha,

at the moment it's not possible to record fullhd with the 5d2.
The best resolution you can record at the moment is 1880x840 and it still skip frames with an lexar 1000x because the controller of the 5d2 is not fast enough.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 02:43:47 PM
Here is one of my first tests with raw video on the 5dmk2, will post a prores 422hq very soon.


here is the video in prores 422 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgYndOMy1veUlFNDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgYndOMy1veUlFNDg/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 15, 2013, 03:15:47 PM
Hi iverha,

at the moment it's not possible to record fullhd with the 5d2.
The best resolution you can record at the moment is 1880x840 and it still skip frames with an lexar 1000x because the controller of the 5d2 is not fast enough.

Do you have a source? I am in doubt buying an 600x or 1000x card depending on the performance diff.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: t2scorp on May 15, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
Do you have a source? I am in doubt buying an 600x or 1000x card depending on the performance diff.
Source is coutts. Just read all posts from him and hmm the rest like I did.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: gandalfk7 on May 15, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Hi!
I plan to test the new feature on the mk2 this evening (gmt+1), but I didn't understand if the resolutions you are talking about are taken using the full area of the sensor or cropping it to 1:1 pixel.
Unfortunately until the next week I'll have only a slow old sandisk cf..

thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 15, 2013, 03:28:24 PM
Thanks for the info: Although it might help nothing to little, I am still going to buy a 1000x card because I might get a 5d3 one day. (but still hoping there is some sort of optimization possible on the 5d2)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ch_d on May 15, 2013, 03:49:31 PM

Would be good to see when someone gets 1080 working how it compares to 5d3, I suppose the difference is aa filter?

[/vimeo]
5DMII with / without AA filter
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bronson on May 15, 2013, 04:01:02 PM
Hi,
I tested my new fresh transcend 1000x 32Gb and i can't record raw video beyond 65mo/s.
I saw many people recorded full 1920x1080 with 5dM3, but with the last raw build, and with this card, I do 1880x840 max with dropped frames at 300.
Is there any record limitations with 5dM2 compared to 5dM3.
I know it's just an alpha and there's no official nightly build.

Does anybody has achieved better results ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: coutts on May 15, 2013, 04:27:06 PM
Hi,
I tested my new fresh transcend 1000x 32Gb and i can't record raw video beyond 65mo/s.
I saw many people recorded full 1920x1080 with 5dM3, but with the last raw build, and with this card, I do 1880x840 max with dropped frames at 300.
Is there any record limitations with 5dM2 compared to 5dM3.
I know it's just an alpha and there's no official nightly build.

Does anybody has achieved better results ?
this is about how good I can get too.. seems the cf interface is slower on the 5d2. 1880x720 can record infinitely (until file size limit).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 15, 2013, 04:29:40 PM
There are no better results achieved yet. It might be impossible for the 5d2 or maybe a matter of time. I do hope for 1920x817 @ 24fps RAW one day :)
Since it's close it might be possible with some more optimization. I will look into the raw rec code myself to so if there is optimization possible
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: coutts on May 15, 2013, 04:56:57 PM

5d2
Lexar 1000x
1880x720 (records continuously)

pretty good imo - look at that pollen floating through the air!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bronson on May 15, 2013, 05:02:56 PM
@coutts @savale,

Thanx for your reply, amazing job was done since few days.
I'm sure that it will be done quickly.
There's great talents around...

Cheers to all involved..
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 15, 2013, 05:13:58 PM
@coutts @savale,

Thanx for your reply, amazing job was done since few days.
I'm sure that it will be done quickly.
There's great talents around...

Cheers to all involved..

To be clear I am not yet involved into coding, but looking into the code new because I am curious and might be able to help
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 15, 2013, 05:49:56 PM
Hi everyone,
I'm really confused, because this morning I shot in RAW mode 1280x720 without any problems, now I tried, same res, same CF card(empty one as this morning), but it continued to give me dropped frame.

I'll try some other tests.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 15, 2013, 06:39:40 PM
Hi everyone,
I'm really confused, because this morning I shot in RAW mode 1280x720 without any problems, now I tried, same res, same CF card(empty one as this morning), but it continued to give me dropped frame.

I'll try some other tests.
Do you have global draw disabled? Did you try formatting the card?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Pat1 on May 15, 2013, 07:31:46 PM
Anyone know where to get the 5d2 raw_rec, the link seems to be down for the one posted by 'coutts'?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
Anyone know where to get the 5d2 raw_rec, the link seems to be down for the one posted by 'coutts'?

Cheers!

first post in on this thread!  https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgb2UtVE1SUy0yeTQ/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Pat1 on May 15, 2013, 08:50:05 PM
first post in on this thread!  https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgb2UtVE1SUy0yeTQ/edit?usp=sharing


Oops, thanks! Got it all installed okay.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 15, 2013, 08:59:21 PM

1440x810 (16:9)
1440x778 (1.85:1)
1600x865 (1.85:1)
1600x900 (16:9)
1880x787 (2.39:1)

I really like this idea! Can anyone do it?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 15, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
Does anyone else have magenta blocks tearing randomly on the footage on 5D2? Trying to figure out why that is happening.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 15, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Does anyone else have magenta blocks tearing randomly on the footage on 5D2? Trying to figure out why that is happening.
I only have that before the clip ends more or less at the moment when I go to the menu to stop the recording.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: coutts on May 15, 2013, 10:26:03 PM
New compilation:

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Pat1 on May 15, 2013, 10:35:07 PM
Noticed subtle verticle lines in the footage, early days though I suppose. Thanks for the help getting it working.
http://i.imgur.com/nsi6XOf.jpg
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fnsi6XOfl.jpg&hash=999f8d80319a02f2256683ffcb05edb3)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: 1% on May 15, 2013, 10:42:48 PM
Not really anything we can do about noise and stuff like that.. that is what the camera makes.

The drops/pink blocks need a fix however.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: brianymarsh on May 15, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
I used the latest stable build of magic lantern and just copied the MODULES folder into the ML folder and replaced AUTOEXEC

I am getting consistent recording 1880x840 on the 5D MK2 (until file size limit) with a Lexar 32gb 1000x card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: coutts on May 15, 2013, 10:51:18 PM
I used the latest stable build of magic lantern and just copied the MODULES folder into the ML folder and replaced AUTOEXEC

I am getting consistent recording 1880x840 on the 5D MK2 (until file size limit) with a Lexar 32gb 1000x card.
wat, i have the same card and I can only do about 300 frames at that resolution before it starts dropping frames. Do you mean continuously as in no dropped frames?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: brianymarsh on May 15, 2013, 11:02:15 PM
wat, i have the same card and I can only do about 300 frames at that resolution before it starts dropping frames. Do you mean continuously as in no dropped frames?

Yeah, continuously. The Raw2DNG module only reported 1 dropped frame out of 1505 frames and I believe it was toward the end just before it stopped automatically. I am working on compiling the video right now.

It's strange because I have a 16gb Lexar of the same speed and it can't record 1880x840 past 300 frames.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on May 15, 2013, 11:12:39 PM
Yeah, continuously. The Raw2DNG module only reported 1 dropped frame out of 1505 frames and I believe it was toward the end just before it stopped automatically. I am working on compiling the video right now.

It's strange because I have a 16gb Lexar of the same speed and it can't record 1880x840 past 300 frames.

16 GB cards are usually slower than 32 GB and higher capacity cards.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Pat1 on May 15, 2013, 11:24:58 PM
Not really anything we can do about noise and stuff like that.. that is what the camera makes.

The drops/pink blocks need a fix however.

Not noise, subtle verticle strips. Not complaining though.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: brianymarsh on May 16, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
If anyone else has a Lexar 32GB 1000x card and wants to see if they can record 1880x840 without dropped frames, you can find a copy of the contents of my card below.

https://mega.co.nz/#!w1ZRkRja!YGT3dES2C4o7N-ixcNJS3ED1qDtlKwuGR5wFgAgEWMA (https://mega.co.nz/#!w1ZRkRja!YGT3dES2C4o7N-ixcNJS3ED1qDtlKwuGR5wFgAgEWMA)

Hopefully we can get some consistent results.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 16, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Has anyone a new compiled build for the 5dmk2 so that we can test the new stuff?

thanks
o.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 16, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
Has anyone a new compiled build for the 5dmk2 so that we can test the new stuff?

thanks
o.
5D2 now with the new start raw button on the Live View:
5D2_20130516.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516.zip)


btw
If you click start Raw Video it generates a Raw Container.
Therefore your last stop click => 0Byte at your last Raw Film.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 16, 2013, 02:17:51 PM
5D2 now with the new start raw button on the Live View:
5D2_20130516.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516.zip)


btw
If you click start Raw Video it generates a Raw Container.
Therefore your last stop click => 0Byte at your last Raw Film.

please explain this,

"If you click start Raw Video it generates a Raw Container.
Therefore your last stop click => 0Byte at your last Raw Film."


also, this update now assigns a start button for raw video?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 16, 2013, 02:44:21 PM
...


also, this update now assigns a start button for raw video?
YES

0. LV
1. RAW video>start
2. LV (RAW Container)
3. click on LV Button (start recording)
4. click on LV Button again (stop recording & Save Raw)
5. Raw video>Starting...(Save Raw)

if you don't do 3&4 > 0Byte xxx.RAW
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
YES

0. LV
1. RAW video>start
2. LV (RAW Container)
3. click on LV Button (start recording)
4. click on LV Button again (stop recording & Save Raw)
5. Raw video>Starting...(Save Raw)

if you don't do 3&4 > 0Byte xxx.RAW

Awesome, it just got better again!!!
And now I am getting 430 (1880x720) frames until the buffer fills on SanDisc 60 mb/s, the previous built was only giving me 300, if this keeps getting better at this path we soon won't even need those 1000x cards anymore...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 16, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
For me this is a regression, I will have sooner dropped frames :-/

Can anybody add some resolutions I would really wonna know if we could record any of those:
1440x810 (16:9)
1440x778 (1.85:1)
1600x865 (1.85:1)
1600x900 (16:9)
1880x787 (2.39:1)
(1880x800 (2.35:1)) no cinema standard


UPDATE: uiii, one other bug, the camera told me "can not format card with this camera" It fomated the card anyways along with magic lantern. I had to install the .fir again. Going back to build 14 of march for now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 03:29:59 PM
For me this is a regression, I will have sooner dropped frames :-/

Can anybody add some resolutions I would really wonna know if we could record any of those:
1440x810 (16:9)
1440x778 (1.85:1)
1600x865 (1.85:1)
1600x900 (16:9)
1880x787 (2.39:1)
(1880x800 (2.35:1)) no cinema standard


UPDATE: uiii, one other bug, the camera told me "can not format card with this camera" It fomated the card anyways along with magic lantern

I just had the same thing happening to me, I realized you first have to turn RAW recording back off, then you can format, looks like the module is outside of what ML moves to the buffer when formatting.
The strangest thing is I formatted in PC, then back in Camera, put a new copy of ML on with the above modules built and now it is maxing out between 245 - 350 frames, bummer!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 03:52:53 PM
well and then there is this little detail with the files no longer opening in the RAW2DNG script, therefore not working yet... should have backed up the built I was using before, now I am screwed with a RAWless 5D2,  :o
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Even stranger, I tried a different file and RAW2DNG is actually reading it but the DNG files won't open, photoshop says: 'could not complete request because the file format module cannot parse the file'...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 16, 2013, 04:00:59 PM
UPDATE: uiii, one other bug, the camera told me "can not format card with this camera" It fomated the card anyways along with magic lantern. I had to install the .fir again. Going back to build 14 of march for now.
You need to quit Raw Video mode (Step 5 above), before format your card!
@ Africashot
what error message?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 04:05:31 PM
Well, the RAW2DNG script will either not start at all (just flash and disappear) or it will run and produces DNG's to which photoshop says 'could not complete request because the file format module cannot parse the file'
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: nanomad on May 16, 2013, 04:08:58 PM
You need to drag the raw file over the raw2dng icon and the processing will start :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 16, 2013, 04:09:58 PM
well and then there is this little detail with the files no longer opening in the RAW2DNG script, therefore not working yet... should have backed up the built I was using before, now I am screwed with a RAWless 5D2,  :o

I added an older build again to the first post of this thread
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 04:10:46 PM
You need to drag the raw file over the raw2dng icon and the processing will start :)
Just tried again, freshly formatted card it ran 428 frames in 1880x720 but when I drag and drop it on RAW2DNG it will ask for permission to run the script, command prompt will flash and simply disappear, no DNG's created...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 04:12:36 PM
I added an older build again to the first post of this thread
Thanks a lot! Will keep this one on file! :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 16, 2013, 04:18:06 PM
Tried the older built, back to normal, DNGs run and work as usual! thanks @a.d.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 16, 2013, 04:19:44 PM
Sorry,
Yesterday, I got Error API version mismatch 29030400, but the version today works for me!

btw
I have also the Sandisk Extreme CF 60MB/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 16, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
@ a.d.

do you know how to add custom resolutions? check this out http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34126#msg34126
If you could make a build with some more resolutions for testing, I would be really really thankfull!
1% added some in the source: https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/commits/de23a9b2de81a1db079cc831f217aa53261b1229
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 16, 2013, 05:09:00 PM
Sorry,
Yesterday, I got Error API version mismatch 29030400, but the version today works for me!

btw
I have also the Sandisk Extreme CF 60MB/s.

I got a similar issue today when I ran the converter : API Version Mismatch: -2147483629

I am running in camera  (5d mk ii) with an odd frame size 1880 X 480 to get a very widescreen-esque look, and still be able to write to my cf card (40MB is fastest card will do if I recall correct) and was wondering if this could possibly be the cause (Frame size)? Any ideas or am I missing something possibly? Or... am I running the wrong version of the converter?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 16, 2013, 05:27:34 PM
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 16, 2013, 05:29:21 PM
For those who like to put numbers on things...

I've put up an MTF resolution graph, ML RAW vs Canon H.264. Done on a 5DmkII.

There's jpegs of the test charts too.

http://blog.lightandtime.co.uk/post/50578814341/mtf-magic-lantern-raw-vs-canon-h-264-on-5d-mkii

Not an insignificant difference!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 16, 2013, 06:13:53 PM

Looks good. What frame size did you shoot this at?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 16, 2013, 06:20:22 PM

@Raelic
API Version Mismatch
if i get the right information, tonight a1ex will look after it!

@olik
tommorow after a1ex fixed!

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 16, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
YES

0. LV
1. RAW video>start
2. LV (RAW Container)
3. click on LV Button (start recording)
4. click on LV Button again (stop recording & Save Raw)
5. Raw video>Starting...(Save Raw)

if you don't do 3&4 > 0Byte xxx.RAW

Thank you for posting this update, good improvements.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 16, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
API version mismatch is corrupted file (or worse, corrupted memory in the camera). I did not experience this, on what camera are you having trouble, and what changeset? (look in help menu)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 16, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
Looks good. What frame size did you shoot this at?

1880x720 upscaled to 1920 and cropped to 720 for 2.67 aspect ratio.
Title: Bug report for may 16 build
Post by: ted ramasola on May 16, 2013, 06:48:54 PM
Using Build May16 for 5d2.

1. actions: load module/set resolution/select start raw rec- lcd indicates ready to start recording.
   I press magnify button to aid in focus-image on lcd enlarges. I press again to go back to normal view.
   I press LV button to start raw capture. press it again to stop.
   I repeat the process but this time when I press magnify button to focus, the image in lcd is pinkish/magenta.
   This is repeatable.

2. In raw recording after I press LV to start and stop. -How do I turn off LCD live view since the LV button is always
    set to start Raw   record?
    I tried to go to ML menu- Unload Module- but still LV button is programmed to start raw record and not turn off liveview?
 
Title: Re: Bug report for may 16 build
Post by: Raelic on May 16, 2013, 07:06:03 PM
Using Build May16 for 5d2.

1. actions: load module/set resolution/select start raw rec- lcd indicates ready to start recording.
   I press magnify button to aid in focus-image on lcd enlarges. I press again to go back to normal view.
   I press LV button to start raw capture. press it again to stop.
   I repeat the process but this time when I press magnify button to focus, the image in lcd is pinkish/magenta.
   This is repeatable.

2. In raw recording after I press LV to start and stop. -How do I turn off LCD live view since the LV button is always
    set to start Raw   record?
    I tried to go to ML menu- Unload Module- but still LV button is programmed to start raw record and not turn off liveview?

I got the same error when I hit the magnification button in Live View when I tried to record with the raw_mode (goes magenta) and my camera even threw an error (locked). I had to turn off, pull battery and turn back on again after. If I don't do the magnification in live-view it seems to record and work ok though.

@A1ex:

I am using a 5D MKII. I have the most recent stable ML version installed, and installed the updated AUTOEXEC.BIN and ML folders from the nightly build. If it makes any difference (and I know this is not a top notch card anymore) I am using a Sandisk Extreme IV CF card (45MB/s) 8GB size. My battery is currently charging for the camera (drained it), but I will check the help menu as you mentioned when I can turn the camera on to let you know what it says in the changeset. The only other thing I did was add the module for the RAW_REC someone provided for the MKII.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 16, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
API version mismatch is corrupted file (or worse, corrupted memory in the camera). I did not experience this, on what camera are you having trouble, and what changeset? (look in help menu)

**Correction, I went back to an older version per recommendation (the 5/16/2013 version of the RAW/DNG converter does not play well with the latest build?). The info below is from this, and seems to work ok. I am thinking possibly an error with something in the newest build and the converter?

Notes from the current (on camera) info:

Just booted the 5d (MK II) back up:

ML Version: v2.3.NEXT.2013MAY14.5D2212
MERCURIAL CHANGESET : 272eee96e793+ (Unified) tip
Built On 2013-05-15 03:49:49 by d@turbo.local.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 16, 2013, 08:01:51 PM
I used last night's build, and then spent the whole morning carefully shooting lovely RAW vs. H264 comparison footage. I also got the pink screen during magnification, but it wasn't a big deal.

What WAS a big deal was once I got the footage home, and raw2dng gave me the "ain't lv_rec" error on all the files recorded at 1888x720 (I had one file at 1280x720 which did work).

If all that's missing from the files is a snippet of code, is there a way to manually append it? Or, better yet, some kind of patch that can be run? I was quite pleased with the footage, and if there's a way to use it, I'd greatly appreciate hearing about it.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 16, 2013, 08:16:53 PM
Hey Gang,

5d2+Lexar 1000x user. 

I accidentally had my shutter down to 40 in the canon menu.  All the files recorded at 40 did not opened in the MAC converter.  I went back to 50 shutter speed and everything seemed fine.

I'll try to do some test at different shutter speeds tonight.  Had anyone else experienced this?

I am almost exclusively shooting 1880x720 for no now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 16, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
no more pink magnify button Revision "e1d271904e4c" + the square rec is panable
e1d271904e4c (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip)

@ted ramasola
confirm pink view on magnify button
you could always switch off LV. I've already describe above (no 5)

@olik
1% preset (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/MODULES.zip)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 16, 2013, 08:51:15 PM
no more pink magnify button Revision "e1d271904e4c" + the square rec is panable
e1d271904e4c (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip)

@ted ramasola
confirm pink view on magnify button
you could always switch off LV. I've already describe above (no 5)

@olik
1% preset (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/MODULES.zip)

Loaded, tested, it Works ! Thank you a.d.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Dunc101 on May 16, 2013, 09:13:21 PM
Has anyone noticed you can record h264 video while recording RAW?

that is very cool as you can do an exact comparison.

Also when zooming 5 x has anyone pink haze over LV?

Cheers
Duncan
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 16, 2013, 09:25:52 PM
no more pink magnify button Revision "e1d271904e4c" + the square rec is panable
e1d271904e4c (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip)

@ted ramasola
confirm pink view on magnify button
you could always switch off LV. I've already describe above (no 5)

@olik
1% preset (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/MODULES.zip)

Just some quick performance tests using this new build using KomputerBay 32gb 1000x with Global Draw off.

1880x840 shoots indefinitely
1880x960 gets up to 648 frames before dropping
1880x1080 gets up to 208 frames before dropping

It would be nice to automatically toggle/disable global draw upon recording. Then you could set all of your levels etc and when you hit record have maximum performance.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 16, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
Hey guys,

Kind of lost here with everything that is going on.  But where is the latest modules/build for the 5d2?

thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: di2010 on May 16, 2013, 09:45:26 PM
Hi guys,

Would someone please provide a current compiled Version of the RAW enabled ML?

Thanks a lot in advance,


Alex
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 16, 2013, 10:33:06 PM
@di2010 & Kabuto1138
please read the first post
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 16, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
@di2010 & Kabuto1138
please read the first post

Thanks olik, should've read that...

I tried it, and it seems to be letting me record without dropping frames on 1880x840.... only problem is that I can't unlock the files using raw2dng for mac.  Not even 2 second RAW files.

I got this error
Error: API version mismatch: -2147483629

and this one when I went down to 1880x720
Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 16, 2013, 11:10:02 PM


I got this error
Error: API version mismatch: -2147483629


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdcmakecreative.altervista.org%2FError_API_version.jpg&hash=084b05653ad5c5897cba46b9236c693a)

I have the same problem...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 17, 2013, 12:01:15 AM
1880x786 (2.39) resolution works without frame skipping! CF SanDisk Extreme Pro 16 GB 90 MB/s!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 17, 2013, 01:28:32 AM
Getting the same errors as above, API mismatch or not lv_rec, from most clips. But some convert fine. 5D2 files at 1880x720, trying the conversion on Mac and Windows with about 30% success.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 17, 2013, 01:46:36 AM
Make that about 10% success. Of the files that did convert to DNG, only four actually opened in AE, and one of these was bright green. So three out of thirty, so far...

Shame, it was a pretty sunset. Hope there's something salvageable in those files.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 17, 2013, 02:46:45 AM
My First Video Attempt with the 5D 14-Bit Raw :

1880 x 540 resolution scaled up to match 1920 width. The Bad compression is sadly all YouTube, but it does look a little better when you at least watch it at the full 1080P Resolution on there. Enjoy,

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 17, 2013, 06:43:59 AM
no more pink magnify button Revision "e1d271904e4c" + the square rec is panable
e1d271904e4c (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip)

@ted ramasola
confirm pink view on magnify button
you could always switch off LV. I've already describe above (no 5)

@olik
1% preset (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/MODULES.zip)
Thanks @a.d., great improvements here! just run two quick tests, first 317 frames 1880x720 (on same 60 mb/s as you have), second time I hit record it did 435 frames but RAW2DNG was again not able to read the file... I wander what this can be caused by, also the inconsistency of number of frames until it starts dropping, could the camera at times be 'busy' with other stuff?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 17, 2013, 08:14:32 AM
Uhh, todays changelog is looking nice! :-)

Today's changes:
----------------
 
f686b8c16c8f | g3gg0: fixed edmac_memcpy to clean up CBRs correctly
07344abbaf45 | g3gg0: raw_rec: no need to kick edmac_memcpy twice anymore (hopefully), fixed footer saving
80bf71a343be | g3gg0: fixed edmac_memcpy to copy everytime now
0df365297913 | g3gg0: 5D3: fixed/cleaned up EDmac routine names and addresses
101862140eb6 | condellog: Remove warnings
1467bcce2ace | condellog: 650D: Enable RAW photo features
f9ffd3099bd9 | alex: raw_rec: a few more resolutions
5b4355d2e187 | alex: fix sync beep
3e79358cde55 | alex: raw_rec: fake recording status, for integration with e.g. HDR video
a0d8fd639f69 | alex: Stupid typo, thanks 1% [fix wav recording]
ed94a01ee362 | alex: raw_rec: added live raw preview for x5 zoom mode (so you can frame in crop mode); added option for panning in menu (dolly mode)
88eaefb659e7 | alex: Enabled raw histogram in LiveView, and most overlays in raw zoom mode
5443aba3c95a | alex: Refactored raw routines so we know when raw mode is enabled => we can use raw overlays
0fe30296d1f7 | alex: Modules: added CBR for display filters
a95e052637b6 | alex: raw_rec: simple playback for last video clip
e1d271904e4c | alex: Modules: 0 is a valid key code, let's try -1. Not tested.
2b968395ca30 | alex: raw_rec: experimental audio recording, no idea if it's in sync
b0144cbcb871 | alex: raw_rec: refactored cropmark, hooked panning to left/right/up/down, minor fixes and UI tweaks
81a708773f76 | alex: Another method for raw video shortcut, hopefully cleaner
5f91f357bdb1 | alex: Undo b6c2ae6 (sorry, I can no longer understand the code)
9c3dddbf5407 | condellog: EOSM: Pull changes from https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/
26fdaa57e781 | condellog: 650D: Add PopEDmac stub
b14a7b729baa | condellog: Ignore module binaries
3d260b2b44a5 | condellog: Merged in ppluciennik/magic-lantern/ppluciennik_unify_zebras (pull request #79)
738ace41ef00 | ppluciennik: Compilation fix.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cmac on May 17, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
Amazing work guys! Crossing fingers and hunting bugs, hoping that could help.

My first test - used 8 fps 2048x960 which gave me the bitrate of little under 30MB/s wihch is the  maximum of my card. Need to get a faster one soon! Amazing detail - shot at 5X with 100mm. I think that the magenta at the end is from uncomplete write (frame), so the frame skipping should be checked - it happens more often when I get closer to 30MB/s and almost disapear when I get under 20MB/s.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 17, 2013, 08:42:39 AM
Amazing work guys! Crossing fingers and hunting bugs, hoping that could help.

My first test - used 8 fps 2048x960 which gave me the bitrate of little under 30MB/s wihch is the  maximum of my card. Need to get a faster one soon! Amazing detail - shot at 5X with 100mm. I think that the magenta at the end is from uncomplete write (frame), so the frame skipping should be checked - it happens more often when I get closer to 30MB/s and almost disapear when I get under 20MB/s.

Those black sea seagulls look way faster then the ones I have seen in other parts of the world  ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: t2scorp on May 17, 2013, 08:46:03 AM
Hi,

I tested the Komputerbay 64GB 1000x card. Shoot three times 1880x840 als long as possible. 2 Times without frame skipping up to 1300 frames and two times with 2-4 skipped frames.
The file size is about 3,7 GB and the camera shuts down.
I alsow tried to make a memory card test but the cam closing live view. I know there is a way to force live view, but I only made a quick test.

 I'm shooting an old nightly build from the 8th.. I think.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: 3pointedit on May 17, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Raelic, those shots look amazingly moire free! How is that, are you using a filter? And the sharpness after blow up is stunning.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 08:51:39 AM
Hi everyone,
today it seems that everything is working fine. I reached an acceptable res of 1880x720 without frame dropping.
I just want to post a frame from a RAW clip.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frabiatofilm.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2F5dmkII-RAW-noise.jpg&hash=9121dc79bc1ec50c21d7008c258feec6)

I shot this wit a 50mm 1.4, ISO 800. I was testing a low light situation. I used Neat video too, but this noise still remain. Have you have any chance to test low light/high ISO?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: aaphotog on May 17, 2013, 08:53:54 AM
Hi everyone,
today it seems that everything is working fine. I reached an acceptable res of 1880x720 without frame dropping.
I just want to post a frame from a RAW clip.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frabiatofilm.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2F5dmkII-RAW-noise.jpg&hash=9121dc79bc1ec50c21d7008c258feec6)

I shot this wit a 50mm 1.4, ISO 800. I was testing a low light situation. I used Neat video too, but this noise still remain. Have you have any chance to test low light/high ISO?
Is that a microphone in the briefcase? If so, I think I may have the same one lol.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 08:59:33 AM
Is that a microphone in the briefcase? If so, I think I may have the same one lol.

hahaha, no is just an old zoom lens(85-205 f/3.8 ), this is the lens case.  :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 09:10:47 AM
And now, as many other users, I found myself fighting with the "API version mismatch" error LOL

The only way to work and test with RAW mode is using not the latest night build and fix.
Will upload some low light test soon.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on May 17, 2013, 10:05:01 AM
And now, as many other users, I found myself fighting with the "API version mismatch" error LOL

Want to trade with my problem?  :P

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.andreschmidt.dk%2Fimages%2FErr30.png&hash=825c0f49a41df64e0b9fd07477eff1a1)

Started last night with my 5D Mark II, so shutter probably worn out. I was shooting 1/2000th pictures last weekend of Icelandic horses doing tölt, so that probably explains it ...

Update: Camera has resurrected itself simply by not being used for a week. Weird but can't complain  ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 17, 2013, 10:12:55 AM
Want to trade with my problem?  :P

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.andreschmidt.dk%2Fimages%2FErr30.png&hash=825c0f49a41df64e0b9fd07477eff1a1)

Started last night with my 5D Mark II, so shutter probably worn out. I was shooting 1/2000th pictures last weekend of Icelandic horses doing tölt, so that probably explains it ...
Ooops, I think you have just put an end to all my experiments, am going to wait for something more or less stable before moving on, I have already been having a clumsy feeling the last couple of days... what is your shutter count, mine is at 66k and I still need this thing to last!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 10:28:30 AM
Want to trade with my problem?  :P

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.andreschmidt.dk%2Fimages%2FErr30.png&hash=825c0f49a41df64e0b9fd07477eff1a1)

Started last night with my 5D Mark II, so shutter probably worn out. I was shooting 1/2000th pictures last weekend of Icelandic horses doing tölt, so that probably explains it ...

I think you can find useful this tread, it seems to be a problem not tangled with ML raw mode.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=623494

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 17, 2013, 10:30:30 AM
So big thanks to a.d. for the new build, here are some of my resolution tests

SanDisk 16GB Extreme Pro 600x
Magic lantern Build 16Mai 17:14

1440x840@25 = until 4GB limit   50,7MB/sec
1644x900@25  = 1683 frames 56,3MB /sec
1880x720@25 1531 frames (regression)   57,3MB/sec
1880x768@25 = 867 frames 58,4MB/ sec
1880x840@25 = 213 frames ca 58,6MB/sec
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 10:36:08 AM
Magic lantern Build 16Mai 17:14
Hi olik, did you have any problem converting Raw to DNG files? Something with lv_rec or API mismatch?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 17, 2013, 10:41:12 AM
going to test this right away...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 17, 2013, 10:50:16 AM
I did 3 tests for conversion,

1/50 shutter  - no problem
1/100 shutter - API mismatch
1/25 shutter -API mismatch

could the shutter cause the problem? more testing needed...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 17, 2013, 10:53:21 AM
LV_REC Error
explanation
ML quit before it saves the footer to the RAW file
Workaround
You need to click stop button before the Buffer is full and quit

@Africashot
I suppose you are on windows. you need to use cmd to get the error. (you also can drag and drop with cmd)

btw
- Current Version is only for 5D3
- At commits "0df3652" g3gg0 added RegisterEDmac only for 5D3
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 17, 2013, 10:54:29 AM
API version mismatch is corrupted file (or worse, corrupted memory in the camera). I did not experience this, on what camera are you having trouble, and what changeset? (look in help menu)

5D2 with change set: 9c3ddbf5407

Files I've shot display a range of problems. Some fail in raw2dng with 'not lv_rec' or 'API Mismatch' errors. Some convert to DNG but then fail to open in ACR. A few open but come in bright green or pink. About 10% give me a usable image.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on May 17, 2013, 10:56:07 AM
Ooops, I think you have just put an end to all my experiments, am going to wait for something more or less stable before moving on, I have already been having a clumsy feeling the last couple of days... what is your shutter count, mine is at 66k and I still need this thing to last!

Don't worry, the shutter is mechanical, so it have simply been worn out. Still, I have less than 60,000 actuations but it vary wildly. Canon has an MTF of 150,000 actuations but some fall under and some over.

It should be physically impossible for Magic Lantern to have anything to do with this issue.

I think you can find useful this tread, it seems to be a problem not tangled with ML raw mode.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=623494

Yeah, already used my Google-fu but have come up short. Going to run by my local Canon technician today and see what he says but my gut feeling is a worn out shutter.

Sorry for derailing the thread!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
When I got this error I was using 1/48 of shutter speed, so I don't think this is the problem.
Now I'm testing Raw mode with the 15th may night build, and I don't have any problem. Maybe the error is given by some code strings that have been rewritten or insert in the new night build, but I don't have the skills to compile and correct the code(if this is the problem).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
Workaround
You need to click stop button before the Buffer is full and quit

When I got this error I recorded i think 300-400 frames and not at full buffer. And what do you mean with "quit"?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 17, 2013, 11:30:27 AM
Solved by g3gg0 last night: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/07344abbaf45
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 17, 2013, 11:58:33 AM
@ a1ex
g3gg0 commited EDMAC Register only for 5D3
 https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/0df365297913b6ce4de4b97b8d069fe631aabe6e

@avasarin
You could fixed LV_REC with a hexeditor:

After:
Code: [Select]
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00Add The Footer:
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 17, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
Quote
After:
Code: [Select]

01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00

Add The Footer:
Code: [Select]

10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff

Thanks a.d. for this info! It sounds awesome ... But I tried it, and it doesn't seem to help.

BTW, I did press the stop button on all the files I'm trying to fix, so there is some code very similar to this footer already. Here's what I have:


01 00 00 00 6C 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5B 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 C2 FC FF FF 10 27 00 00 8A E1 FF FF
10 27 00 00 72 3C 00 00 10 27 00 00 B0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 FA FF FF 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 A8 D1 FB FF

When I replace the last four lines with the code you provided, the file still gets the LV_REC error in RAW2DNG. Anything else we can try??
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 17, 2013, 01:12:58 PM
your last line
from
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 A8 D1 FB FFto
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 FC FFUpdate
The footer (the end part of the xy.RAW):
Code: [Select]
52 41 57 4d 58 07 d0 02 20 25 24 00 95 00 00 00
01 00 00 00 12 75 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 f3 5b
01 00 00 00 a4 28 3e 08 f4 04 00 00 f8 07 00 00
f2 0d 00 00 a8 12 45 00 0e 00 00 00 00 07 00 00
98 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
e2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 a0 00 00 00 f4 04 00 00
f8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 01:53:46 PM

Here's a rough editing of some tests I did this morning. Of course the vimeo compression is still degrading the footage, but I've never reached this kind of detail and richness with my 5D.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 17, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
If someone could make an updated build for the 5dmk2, it would be very appreciated :-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 17, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
your last line
from
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 A8 D1 FB FFto
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 FC FFUpdate
The footer (the end part of the xy.RAW):
Code: [Select]
52 41 57 4d 58 07 d0 02 20 25 24 00 95 00 00 00
01 00 00 00 12 75 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 f3 5b
01 00 00 00 a4 28 3e 08 f4 04 00 00 f8 07 00 00
f2 0d 00 00 a8 12 45 00 0e 00 00 00 00 07 00 00
98 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
e2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 a0 00 00 00 f4 04 00 00
f8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff

Replacing the whole 12 line footer as above seems to work as far as raw2dng is concerned. I've tried two of the previously broken files and they now convert and open in ACR. Nice one a.d.!

Not totally out of the woods though. Both of the files I've tried are fine for the first 4 secs or so, from then on every second frame is corrupt.

I'll try a few more.

Would love to test the new build of raw_rec but compiling is beyond me I think. Anyone got a binary for the 5D2?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 17, 2013, 02:59:41 PM
In fact I am getting the whole clips back with this fix, its just they have a load of extra garbage added on the end.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 03:18:30 PM
Is anybody noticing artifacts such as moire or aliasing with the 5Dmk2?
I have the VAF-5D2 filter, and I tried a couple of shots without it, but it was a mess. All the test I did were made with the filter ON. But even with the filter there are some artifacts with hair and horizontal lines. Is it happening because of the 1280x720 crop?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 17, 2013, 03:27:21 PM
Moire and aliasing are core artifacts caused by line skipping and there's probably no way around it besides recording in 1:1 crop mode. The artifacts are probably more pronounced at 1280x720 due to the fact that it's magnifying a portion of the 1880x1250 full frame.

It's not unlike compression artifacts when encoding. High resolution video can still look better than low resolution video even both are blocky because the blocks of the high res video are smaller.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 17, 2013, 03:32:18 PM
Is anybody noticing artifacts such as moire or aliasing with the 5Dmk2?
I have the VAF-5D2 filter, and I tried a couple of shots without it, but it was a mess. All the test I did were made with the filter ON. But even with the filter there are some artifacts with hair and horizontal lines. Is it happening because of the 1280x720 crop?
I unfortunately do not own the VAF-5D2 and can only confirm that the moire gets so bad that at times it is beyond repair, it also appears in areas the h.264 would never show... I personally would not consider this for clients work without the filter because there may be surprises at the editing bay that could spoil the entire effort...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 17, 2013, 03:36:38 PM
Moire and aliasing are core artifacts caused by line skipping and there's probably no way around it besides recording in 1:1 crop mode. The artifacts are probably more pronounced at 1280x720 due to the fact that it's magnifying a portion of the 1880x1250 full frame.

So we have to hope for a stable 1880x1250 or 1:1 RAW recording?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 17, 2013, 04:01:09 PM
So we have to hope for a stable 1880x1250 or 1:1 RAW recording?
That or ultra shallow depth of field and staying away from the Zebras when out in the wild ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ch_d on May 17, 2013, 04:10:09 PM
is there any new / improved build out there for the 5DM2?
i am working right now with the 14052013 build
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 17, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
is there any new / improved build out there for the 5DM2?
i am working right now with the 14052013 build

There is 15th and 16th of May (first port of this thread) all thow 16th of May has some regressions and you might get files that you can not convert. So I am back on the 15th May Build
I can`t wait for someone to compile a build of today for the 5dmk2, there are so many new cool features...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ch_d on May 17, 2013, 04:26:45 PM
There is 15th and 16th of May (first port of this thread) all thow 16th of May has some regressions and you might get files that you can not convert. So I am back on the 15th May Build
I can`t wait for someone to compile a build of today for the 5dmk2, there are so many new cool features...
thank you, i´ll wait for todays builds!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 17, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
There is 15th and 16th of May (first port of this thread) all thow 16th of May has some regressions and you might get files that you can not convert. So I am back on the 15th May Build
I can`t wait for someone to compile a build of today for the 5dmk2, there are so many new cool features...

I thought I was the only one having problems opening my files shot with may 16th build for 5d2. I was excited of the new features like the start and stop button.

Hope a new compile for 5d2 is up soon. Good job so far developers!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 17, 2013, 04:40:09 PM
So we have to hope for a stable 1880x1250 or 1:1 RAW recording?

Depending on the 5D2's hardware limits, full frame recording may not be feasible no matter how fast the CF card is. I've only seen a couple benchmarks of a 1000x card on a 5D2, but they've only reached about 65 MB/s which can get us up to 1880x840.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 17, 2013, 05:35:32 PM
I am not too sure yet this a limit of the compact flash interface or the cpu being the bottleneck. It might be the cpu... If that's true there is hope :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 17, 2013, 05:55:58 PM
your last line
from
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 A8 D1 FB FFto
Code: [Select]
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 FC FFUpdate
The footer (the end part of the xy.RAW):
Code: [Select]
52 41 57 4d 58 07 d0 02 20 25 24 00 95 00 00 00
01 00 00 00 12 75 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 f3 5b
01 00 00 00 a4 28 3e 08 f4 04 00 00 f8 07 00 00
f2 0d 00 00 a8 12 45 00 0e 00 00 00 00 07 00 00
98 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
e2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 a0 00 00 00 f4 04 00 00
f8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff

A.D. Appreciate the footer for my corrupted files, however, it seems to convert to 30fps @ 1880x720, and my footage is 25fps 1880x540, causing the frames to 'roll'. Is there anything I can change to convert to 25fps? Also, I'm unsure of where exactly in the code the footer should start, since the code seems to shift around a bit (I'm a noob).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 17, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
Depending on the 5D2's hardware limits, full frame recording may not be feasible no matter how fast the CF card is. I've only seen a couple benchmarks of a 1000x card on a 5D2, but they've only reached about 65 MB/s which can get us up to 1880x840.
I'd be absolutely fine with that in terms of aspect ratio and resolution, I see the Moire as a far bigger problem compared to the 5DMIII
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 17, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
A.D. Appreciate the footer for my corrupted files, however, it seems to convert to 30fps @ 1880x720, and my footage is 25fps 1880x540, causing the frames to 'roll'. Is there anything I can change to convert to 25fps? Also, I'm unsure of where exactly in the code the footer should start, since the code seems to shift around a bit (I'm a noob).

a.d., Thank you for the help ... It definitely solves the RAW2DNG acceptance issue! Like the other users, though, I'm finding that the resulting DNG files consist of nothing but corrupted images. Also, the source file was recorded at 23.976 fps, but this footer makes a 29.97 fps file. We're so close ... Any more advice?

Many thanks again!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 17, 2013, 11:01:06 PM
dd53ca8bbeab (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/dd53ca8bbeab.zip)

Special thanks go to g3gg0 & coutts and all devs!

-lv_rec is fixed now
-pink cast comes back on 5x 10x magnify
-you can record on 5x (without pink cast); only one line corrupt at the header
-on 10x I got corrupt stripes at the footer
-you can playback slowmo in bw from your last shot

@mvejerslev &CrewOfOne
which post production app do you guys use?

24 fps & 25 fps
Code: [Select]
52 41 57 4d 58 07 38 04 b0 37 36 00 6b 00 00 00
01 00 00 00 12 75 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 f3 5b
01 00 00 00 a4 28 3e 08 f4 04 00 00 f8 07 00 00
f2 0d 00 00 a8 12 45 00 0e 00 00 00 00 07 00 00
98 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
e2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 a0 00 00 00 f4 04 00 00
f8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 17, 2013, 11:10:41 PM
Did the pink cast ever go away in some older build?

I believe it's an overflow in Canon code (they might allocate the raw buffer for 1x, but the 5x image is larger).

10x should be identical to 5x IMO. Will check tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 17, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
Did the pink cast ever go away in some older build?
Thanks for your help, in build e1d271904e4c
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 17, 2013, 11:38:09 PM
a.d., I'm opening the DNG files in Photoshop CS6. I've been working with the May 15 build, and (almost) all those files are fine. The lv_rec failure files were recorded with the May 16 build. I'll try this different footer and see if that makes a difference.

Thanks again for the help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 17, 2013, 11:43:24 PM
Quote
01 00 00 00 12 75 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 f3 5b
01 00 00 00 a4 28 3e 08 f4 04 00 00 f8 07 00 00
f2 0d 00 00 a8 12 45 00 0e 00 00 00 00 07 00 00
98 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
e2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 a0 00 00 00 f4 04 00 00
f8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff

a.d. - The good news is that the new patch of code resulted in non-corrupt files! The bad news is that it's still 29.97, which is giving a roll to the footage. All I need to do is get it to 23.976, and it'll be golden.

Thanks so much!

52 41 57 4d 58 07 38 04 b0 37 36 00 6b 00 00 00
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 17, 2013, 11:54:34 PM
I ask, 'cause you could do it in post, for example if you use after effects you could adjust fps (after import)

windows: strg+alt+g
osx: ⌥+⌘+g
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 18, 2013, 12:02:35 AM
a.d. ... I think I figured it out! Here's the footer that works for a 23.976 file.

52 41 57 4D 58 07 D0 02 20 25 24 00 51 01 00 00
01 00 00 00 A8 5D 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 4A 52
01 00 00 00 A4 28 3E 04 F4 04 00 00 F8 07 00 00
F2 0D 00 00 A8 12 45 00 0E 00 00 00 FF 06 00 00
98 3A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
E2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 A0 00 00 00 F4 04 00 00
F8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6C 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5B 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 C2 FC FF FF 10 27 00 00 8A E1 FF FF
10 27 00 00 72 3C 00 00 10 27 00 00 B0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 FA FF FF 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 FB 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 FC FF
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 18, 2013, 12:15:51 AM
dd53ca8bbeab (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/dd53ca8bbeab.zip)

Special thanks go to g3gg0 & coutts and all devs!

-lv_rec is fixed now
-pink cast comes back on 5x 10x magnify
-you can record on 5x (without pink cast); only one line corrupt at the header
-on 10x I got corrupt stripes at the footer
-you can playback slowmo in bw from your last shot

@mvejerslev &CrewOfOne
which post production app do you guys use?

24 fps & 25 fps
Code: [Select]
52 41 57 4d 58 07 38 04 b0 37 36 00 6b 00 00 00
01 00 00 00 12 75 00 00 52 41 57 20 00 00 f3 5b
01 00 00 00 a4 28 3e 08 f4 04 00 00 f8 07 00 00
f2 0d 00 00 a8 12 45 00 0e 00 00 00 00 07 00 00
98 3a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 58 07 00 00
e2 04 00 00 12 00 00 00 a0 00 00 00 f4 04 00 00
f8 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 02
01 00 00 00 6c 12 00 00 10 27 00 00 5b 02 00 00
10 27 00 00 c2 fc ff ff 10 27 00 00 8a e1 ff ff
10 27 00 00 72 3c 00 00 10 27 00 00 b0 09 00 00
10 27 00 00 28 fa ff ff 10 27 00 00 91 07 00 00
10 27 00 00 fb 19 00 00 10 27 00 00 57 81 fc ff

Works fine, but for custom res like 1880x800, 1880x787 and 1600x900?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 18, 2013, 01:59:00 AM
I figured it out, used the footer from one of my working files and they come out great. Thanks for the pointer. I use Camera RAW like the other poster. For a stills shooter, its a wet dream to be able to use the usual workflow, only for video.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 18, 2013, 06:04:25 AM
Hey guys,

Is there a recent MODULE? hast that been changed in the last 24-36 hours for the 5d2?

thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 18, 2013, 09:34:56 AM
Hey guys,

Is there a recent MODULE? hast that been changed in the last 24-36 hours for the 5d2?

thanks

Don't know if in the latest nightbuild there's something useful!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cmac on May 18, 2013, 10:28:11 AM
Don't know if in the latest nightbuild there's something useful!

I'm somehow missing the "M" menu in the nightbuilds... Is it just because of me or there is something not generally implemented?

And another thing - It seems that when I do 4 recordings and then exit the session - only the last one is something that I can process with raw2dng - others are giving me: This ain't a lv_rec RAW ... Should I fix each file by adding the footer of the last one to them?

edit: after copying the last 10 raws from the last file to the previous batch, they are processed normally, but then there is a strange thing. All my testas came out greenish... Will keep testing.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bronson on May 18, 2013, 10:44:38 AM
I'm a bit lost now with the last builds for 5d mark 2...
The May16 evening build caused me a lot of invalid raw files. I try to rewrite a correct footer, but some resolutions are not present in the May15 build.
So if someone could compile and upload the last corrections of the raw_rec or lv_rec in the module and a last corrected build it will be great..

The official nighty build was very cool before raw video. Perhaps things are not totaly unified now between 5d2 5d3 600d etc...
I hope we could play with new working things

Many thanks to all involved.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 18, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
Heres some 5D2 test footage, shot in the wild at 1880x720 with the May 16th build.

Thanks to a.d. for the footer fix, and the new build. I shall give it a whirl.

https://vimeo.com/66442959 (https://vimeo.com/66442959)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Dunc101 on May 18, 2013, 12:14:39 PM
Hi,

Have any of you had experience with getting the playback function on the mark IIi to work on mark 2?

I was thinking of trying it out?

Cheers
D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 18, 2013, 12:31:11 PM
Hi,

Have any of you had experience with getting the playback function on the mark IIi to work on mark 2?

I was thinking of trying it out?

Cheers
D

works for me on build 17th (check first post). It is in black and white, only works for the last clip and kind of slowmotion but it does work!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: core_32 on May 18, 2013, 12:33:30 PM
First of all thank you (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.chaos-project.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fbow.gif&hash=94c944887f1b3a83ba7db8bd9b2714ec)ML!

https://vimeo.com/66442959 (https://vimeo.com/66442959)
This is really beautiful!
Is it true that 5dmk3 doesn't have that moire/aliasing issues 5dmk2 has?

Anyone thinking of selling 5dmk2 to buy 5dmk3???
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 18, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
First of all thank you (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.chaos-project.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fbow.gif&hash=94c944887f1b3a83ba7db8bd9b2714ec)ML!
This is really beautiful!
Is it true that 5dmk3 doesn't have that moire/aliasing issues 5dmk2 has?

Anyone thinking of selling 5dmk2 to buy 5dmk3???
I am still hoping that buying a Mosaic Engineering filter will do the job...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: andyshon on May 18, 2013, 01:59:44 PM
Is it true that 5dmk3 doesn't have that moire/aliasing issues 5dmk2 has?

The 5D3 may be slightly better but both cameras are going to suffer badly with aliasing, and no filter will really help without decimating the resolution. You're only recording from about 1 in 9 of the pixels on the chip. Thus almost 90% of the image is falling down the holes in between, and worse still the R,G and B source pixels being used for each output pixel will be some considerable distance apart.

So details will drop in and out of existence as they move across the sensor. Monochromatic edges will have serious colour fringing and bright details will cycle through the rainbow as they move. All very familiar to anyone who's used scientific high speed cameras with no low pass filter. That said, if you deal with this in post on a shot by shot basis, then you must be able to do a better job than Canon do in camera. ACRs colour noise reduction handles the colour artefacts remarkably well and I believe the moire reduction is pretty impressive for stills.

But this is all throwing some light on why DSLR video generally looks so terrible. Canon have really done a pretty amazing job getting rid of most of the colour fringing and detail flickering, in camera, in real time. Just wish they gave us the choice to turn that 'feature' off!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 18, 2013, 03:11:47 PM
My first test shots. Its like having a hole through to another dimension!

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 03:47:26 PM
Hey guys,

i just received the Lexar 1000x for RAW video. I am a bit disappointed. I thought i could get 1880x1250 with the best card on the market. Well i made some tests now with global draw off. The best resolution possible with the best card on the 5D2 seems to be 1880x840 with 63 MB/s writing speed for continuos filming.
The card should do better. Shouldn't it? Could anyone achieve a better resolution than that?

I used the May 17th build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 18, 2013, 03:52:52 PM
Hey guys,

i just received the Lexar 1000x for RAW video. I am a bit disappointed. I thought i could get 1880x1250 with the best card on the market. Well i made some tests now with global draw off. The best resolution possible with the best card on the 5D2 seems to be 1880x840 with 63 MB/s writing speed for continuos filming.
The card should do better. Shouldn't it? Could anyone achieve a better resolution than that?

I used the May 17th build.

As far as I can tell, that's pretty much within expectations for me. Some tests on the 5D2 showed about 65 MB/s, which is probably the limit of the camera. 1880x1250 requires over 90 MB/s which is pushing it even for the 5D3.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 04:08:51 PM
As far as I can tell, that's pretty much within expectations for me. Some tests on the 5D2 showed about 65 MB/s, which is probably the limit of the camera. 1880x1250 requires over 90 MB/s which is pushing it even for the 5D3.
I thought it's gonna be more on the 5D2. The CF-Benchmark gives me 79 MB/s with 2048k-Buffer. The RAW-files are quite big, so these 79 MB/s should be realistic during RAW Video, shouldn't they?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuYmWv4l.png%3F1&hash=7cc8b08699283129c11e6ac4e6da04a6)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 18, 2013, 04:30:48 PM
I thought it's gonna be more on the 5D2. The CF-Benchmark gives me 79 MB/s with 2048k-Buffer. The RAW-files are quite big, so these 79 MB/s should be realistic during RAW Video, shouldn't they?

You did the benchmark in playback mode, which makes it read/write faster than it actually does. Try again with the liveview open and global draw off. Turn off any auto power off functions if it shuts off before the benchmark finishes.

This will actually be useful to know since we haven't seen too many benchmarks of the 5D2 with a 1000x card, but the results I've seen so far have been low and I'd expect similar results.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 04:53:49 PM
The benchmark keeps on crashing in LV-mode, GD off, performing the last test. So i cannot upload a screenshot. The writing speed with maximum buffer (16 MB) seems to be crucial. At this buffer level i can achieve 64,7 MB/s. Seems like you are right. So buying a faster card than 800x makes no sense on the 5D2. Which on the other hand means there is no change of recording full HD RAW vids on the 5D2 at the moment.

I just received the Lexar from Amazon. As a fast card does not give me any benefit i should send it back. Too bad.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 04:56:36 PM
I just managed to get the screenshot. Here is the benchmark for the Lexar 1000x, 5D2, LV on, GD off:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdMC1u78.png&hash=de484018e3849bdd3b2152af3240c65b)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 18, 2013, 05:49:58 PM
How about the Toshiba 1066x, has anybody tried that one yet?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 18, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
I thought it's gonna be more on the 5D2. The CF-Benchmark gives me 79 MB/s with 2048k-Buffer. The RAW-files are quite big, so these 79 MB/s should be realistic during RAW Video, shouldn't they?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuYmWv4l.png%3F1&hash=7cc8b08699283129c11e6ac4e6da04a6)

How'd you get such good speed here? I can't break 65MB/s on my 32gb 1000x Komputerbay.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: abaeza on May 18, 2013, 06:17:06 PM
Max Rex out of a 800x Lexar 16GB Card is 1880x524 limited to around 4GB per take. Lot's of noise. Any solution?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 18, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
I just managed to get the screenshot. Here is the benchmark for the Lexar 1000x, 5D2, LV on, GD off:

Indeed, it's kind of unfortunate that this seems to be our limit. But at the very least we can manage something close to a 2.35:1 ratio.

When I inquired a1ex about this limit, he says it's not safe to assume anything, but that was a few days ago: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34263#msg34263

I'm not sure if all signs point to a hardware bottleneck just yet, but I haven't heard any good news about this as of yet.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 18, 2013, 06:26:17 PM
I think with a 1000x card the resolution of 1880x787 should be doable, giving us a nice 2.39:1 aspect ratio and close enough to full HD.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 18, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
I think with a 1000x card the resolution of 1880x787 should be doable, giving us a nice 2.39:1 aspect ratio and close enough to full HD.

With my SanDisk Extreme Pro 16gb 90 MB/s i record continuosly at 1880x768, with 1000X you can do 2.35 aspect ratio (1880x800).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 18, 2013, 08:01:01 PM
Low light, source lights, anamorphic test. Heavy grading which holds up so well- the RAW footage was pretty much all tungsten. password is rawtest.

5dm2, 1000x 32gb Komputerbay, 1880x860, May 15th firmware. Really looking forward to a new compile as this firmware ruins half of my footage with magenta blocks, but I've had no luck with May 16 and 17 firmware and the raw2dng converting problem.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 08:53:23 PM
How'd you get such good speed here? I can't break 65MB/s on my 32gb 1000x Komputerbay.
I made a mistake. I did the benchmark in Playback, not in Liveview, mode. I redid the benchmark afterwards in Liveview and i couldn't break 65 MB/s either.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 18, 2013, 09:00:25 PM
I made a mistake. I did the benchmark in Playback, not in Liveview, mode. I redid the benchmark afterwards in Liveview and i couldn't break 65 MB/s either.

I don't know a whole lot about the internal workings of the camera, but to me that looks like it means that the controller isn't as limiting as initially thought.

My ideal resolution personally would be 1920x1280.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
I don't know a whole lot about the internal workings of the camera, but to me that looks like it means that the controller isn't as limiting as initially thought.
I don't know exactly what is the bottleneck here. Does anyone know why there is a discrepancy between playback and liveview mode in the benchmark? Is the CPU limiting? Might be. When you turn an Global Draw the achievable transfer rate decreases from 65 to about 40 MB/s.

I still have two weeks to send back the Lexar 1000x an get a Lexar 800x instead. It costs less than half the price.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: vikado on May 18, 2013, 09:17:30 PM
hi ladies and gents.
first time poster here.
loving and appreciating shooting raw.
my utmost gratitude to you guys.
now that's out of the way.

i was using an earlier build (last weekend perhaps?) and i managed to reach the 4gb limit on my transcend 600x card several times.
shooting at 1880x840

now with the may 16/17th build, i can't even reach 200 frames without frame skipping even if i shoot at 720.
i dont know if its the card or different build, but something to consider.
i honestly couldn't tell you which earlier build i used.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 09:34:30 PM
now with the may 16/17th build, i can't even reach 200 frames without frame skipping even if i shoot at 720.
i dont know if its the card or different build, but something to consider.
i honestly couldn't tell you which earlier build i used.
Did you deactivate Global Draw?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 18, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
Another first-time poster -- thanks for having me, and thanks for all the hard work here.  The shackles are coming off quite unexpectedly here.

Running a Lexar 32GB 1000x card on the 5D2.  Tried a couple different builds including the 17th -- performance is similar across all of them.  Seeing write speeds in the 59-60 MB/sec range.  Occasionally it will drop below this and record a few hundred frames less before buffering out, for reasons I haven't been able to pin down.  Here's a quick rundown:

1880x720:  I can record indefinitely.  Pretty reliable.  However, this aspect ratio is really too narrow for my purposes.  I need 1080 / 16:9 for a current project, and when scaled up and cropped to this, it's not dramatically better than stock H264.

1880x840:  Much longer record times -- I've seen it go over 1000 frames before buffering out.  This is still a touch soft when scaled and cropped to 16:9 but it's an improvement over stock.

1880x960:  This looks pretty great even when scaled/cropped.  However, shortest and least reliable record times.  I max out at 381 frames before buffering out.  Frequently dips to the 250-300 region on some takes, even on empty/formatted card.  If I could do better here, I would totally use 960 for everything.

Silvertones, you mentioned a couple pages back you were getting 640 frames at 960.  That would be great.  Are you still getting those record times?  Have you done anything particular to enable this, or do we think it's the Komputerbay card?

Thx
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
@Hazer: You are doing 1920x on the 5D2? 1880 is the maximum width on the 5D2. Are you using a 5D3?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: vikado on May 18, 2013, 09:53:02 PM
Did you deactivate Global Draw?
yeah, global draw was off.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 18, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
@Hazer: You are doing 1920x on the 5D2? 1880 is the maximum width on the 5D2. Are you using a 5D3?

Crop mode goes to 1920 and even higher. You can zoom in with the AF point selection button to record in that mode (at the upper right-hand corner, within thumb's reach). Also note that its stuck at ~30 fps unless you change it with FPS override.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 09:57:12 PM
@vikaod:
Strange. 1880x840 needs 63 MB/s. Start LiveView and do a CF-Benchmark.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 18, 2013, 10:04:04 PM
Ah, sorry -- you are correct, I meant 1880!  Definitely on a 5d2.  Will edit the above post...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: vikado on May 18, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
@pholler
forgive my stupidity. but can you show me how?
im curious see that too actually.
i'll post results after lunch.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 18, 2013, 10:07:45 PM
@pholler
forgive my stupidity. but can you show me how?
im curious see that too actually.
i'll post results after lunch.
Press the LiveView-Button on your DSLR.
Go to the ML-Menu Debug->Benchmarks->Card R/W benchmark
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 18, 2013, 10:26:27 PM

Silvertones, you mentioned a couple pages back you were getting 640 frames at 960.  That would be great.  Are you still getting those record times?  Have you done anything particular to enable this, or do we think it's the Komputerbay card?


I just tested again with the May 16th evening build. Got 608 frames at 960, and 262 at 1080, with Komputerbay 32gb 1000x.

Problem for me is that these files don't convert with this build in raw2dmg, with all kinds of API version mismatches and ain't a lv_rec file
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 18, 2013, 11:06:58 PM
I just tested again with the May 16th evening build. Got 608 frames at 960, and 262 at 1080, with Komputerbay 32gb 1000x.

Ok that's impressive.  If I could get 608 frames @ 960, I'd be golden.  Is that the "e1d271904e4c" build from post #83 on this thread?  What kind of write speeds are you seeing on the LCD during capture?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 18, 2013, 11:45:51 PM
Ok that's impressive.  If I could get 608 frames @ 960, I'd be golden.  Is that the "e1d271904e4c" build from post #83 on this thread?  What kind of write speeds are you seeing on the LCD during capture?

That is the correct build. Somewhere between 62-67MB/s
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: vikado on May 18, 2013, 11:50:57 PM
Press the LiveView-Button on your DSLR.
Go to the ML-Menu Debug->Benchmarks->Card R/W benchmark

here you go. used both of my transcend 16gb 600x
so if im reading this right, my cards can't get past 56mb/s yet i've managed to reach the 4gb limit a few times.
strange right? maybe just a fluke on my end.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNO5vecE.png&hash=d7f49273c3f1ef5b0d6993d5e4ee0f1d)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoezdrAX.png&hash=9359144fbf8a69242d256710339af1dd)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 19, 2013, 12:21:52 AM
I don't know a whole lot about the internal workings of the camera, but to me that looks like it means that the controller isn't as limiting as initially thought.

Exactly my thoughts... Seeing the better results in playback mode makes me think the CPU is limiting instead of the card interface. I am not sure if it's possible but a slight cpu overclock might help to do the job, but first I will look into the code to see if there is optimization possible.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 19, 2013, 01:07:40 AM
That is the correct build. Somewhere between 62-67MB/s

Ok tested the "evening 16th" build.  I'm definitely not seeing your write speeds -- still in the high 50MB/s, occasionally 60MB/s.  But I can confirm the files can't be unpacked with raw2dng.  So... back to the 17th build.

Are you still getting 500+ frames @ 960 on the builds where you can unwrap the files?  Which builds?  If so, I wonder where the speed is coming from.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 19, 2013, 01:43:52 AM

Are you still getting 500+ frames @ 960 on the builds where you can unwrap the files?  Which builds?  If so, I wonder where the speed is coming from.

I just tested the May 17th build and got 518 frames @ 960. So, a bit of a step down, but not too bad.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 19, 2013, 01:55:54 AM
I just tested the May 17th build and got 518 frames @ 960. So, a bit of a step down, but not too bad.

That's pretty solid.  Were you able to unwrap the frames?  518 usable frames beats 0.  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 19, 2013, 02:20:10 AM
Today I finally got my KomputerBay Professional 32GB 1000x CF UDMA7 so I tested it ...

1880x840 is about the best I can get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pf9iib286Vs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pf9iib286Vs)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 19, 2013, 05:33:41 AM
That's pretty solid.  Were you able to unwrap the frames?  518 usable frames beats 0.  :)

I was, with the exception of one so far which for some reason was a jumbled magenta mess. I couldn't even make out what I originally shot.

I do have a new bug on the May 17th build, where the left side of the frame is black. Not sure what that is, I've linked a dng where this occurred.

http://sdrv.ms/10xe8O9
Title: 5d 2 build 17 (dd53ca8bbeab) by a.d. in post #140
Post by: ted ramasola on May 19, 2013, 05:49:24 AM
report on 5d 2 build posted by a.d. on post #140 on this thread, (dd53ca8bbeab.zip)

1. works good. extracts good.

2. crop mode has pink cast both at x5 and x10

3. audio recording works with separate wav file. on NLE i noticed 4 frame delay in 30p. (move wav file back 4 frames to sync.)

    in 24p there is 2 frame delay for the wav file.  ( move it 2 frames to sync)   

4. when I stop raw record by pressing LV again, canon record of h264 starts. so an mov begins upon stop of raw record.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 19, 2013, 06:49:04 AM
I have just played with a.d.'s May 17th build and was very impressed, the features are showing up at an incredible speed!
The additional resolutions are a killer! 1600x840 seemed to work continuously without filling the buffer of a SanDisk 16gb 60mb/s card, strangely in the beginning 1880x720 would only give me 61 frames, after doing some other tests and running benchmarks it gave me 349 frames, it almost seemed as if the card first needed to warm up...other then that I can't understand the differnece in performance ???
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 19, 2013, 07:21:29 AM
I think I really like 1720x720, it just gave me over a minute and a half of almost perfect cinemascope aspect ratio footage, and I think this is easily upscaled to 1920x840 and will probably still look pretty good, I guess it is time to go out and finally shoot something with this!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 19, 2013, 07:25:39 AM
Is there already a May 18th build for the 5D2?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silwerfedlt on May 19, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
How can I specify my own RAW resolution other than the prefixed ones?

I would like to try out some for my Iscorama 1.5x Anamorphic´s.

 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 19, 2013, 10:15:47 AM
How can I specify my own RAW resolution other than the prefixed ones?

I would like to try out some for my Iscorama 1.5x Anamorphic´s.
Why don't you try something like 1280x1080? Should give you 1920x1080... or 1440x1080 for a 2:1 ratio at 2160x1080 unsqueezed?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: domisol on May 19, 2013, 11:52:56 AM
Another 5D2 test.
13 may ML build with RAW module built by coutts ;
1280x720 ; 29,97 fps recorded ; 24 fps playback.
Transcend 600x CF.
No magenta blocks, only a few dropped frames.
Thanks to all devs.
Youtube version has less details and sharpness than uploaded footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8lHdfYHW4&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8lHdfYHW4&feature=youtu.be)


Jean-David
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: X-RAY on May 19, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
Isn't there a 19th May build around? I'm a little bit addicted to those builds lately. ^^
My last build is from the 17th May.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bronson on May 19, 2013, 01:05:01 PM
New video test shots.
Canon 5d Mark 2
Tokina 16-28mm, Sigma 70-200mm, Canon 24-105mm
Magic Lantern Build 16th may

Severail shots @1080p @960p @900p @840p
CF : Transcend 32Gb 1000x
Write 80-85mb/s and read 120-130mb/s but only 65mb/s in LV for now.


DNG are developped with Adobe ACR and edited with After Effects (upscaled from 2 to 10 %)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rs555 on May 19, 2013, 01:22:51 PM
Hey guys,

this might be a stupid question, but which CANON firmware should I use on my MKII for this miraculous version of ML?

Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Bassaidai on May 19, 2013, 01:30:13 PM
For 5D MkII use the latest firmware 2.1.2. See also http://www.magiclantern.fm/download (http://www.magiclantern.fm/download)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rs555 on May 19, 2013, 02:19:31 PM
For 5D MkII use the latest firmware 2.1.2. See also http://www.magiclantern.fm/download (http://www.magiclantern.fm/download)

Brilliant - thanks for the quick reply!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 19, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
The build from 2013/05/19 for 5D2
a75c4a74d4b9 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/a75c4a74d4b9.zip)

- I got some more frames vs previous build



@andyshon
beautiful shot and I love the pattern and the sound.

@mvejerslev
the colour is something like ... I'm watching a modern cinemascope film, just cool

@ted ramasola
the pink in magnify is nasty. I've tried to do reverse engineering since 2 days but I still don't know where the bug comes from.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: X-RAY on May 19, 2013, 02:37:26 PM
@a.d.
nice thanks!

@bronson
blocked in germany...just to inform you. ;-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on May 19, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
@a.d.: thanx!

In HaCk3D mode, which should improve the transfer rate, the actual rate decreases.
Without this HaCk3D mode the transfer seems to be the same as in the May 17th build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 19, 2013, 02:56:52 PM
@a.d.: thanx!

In HaCk3D mode, which should improve the transfer rate, the actual rate decreases.
Without this HaCk3D mode the transfer seems to be the same as in the May 17th build.

I agree!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 19, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
The build from 2013/05/19 for 5D2
a75c4a74d4b9 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/a75c4a74d4b9.zip)

- I got some more frames vs previous build



@andyshon
beautiful shot and I love the pattern and the sound.

@mvejerslev
the colour is something like ... I'm watching a modern cinemascope film, just cool

@ted ramasola
the pink in magnify is nasty. I've tried to do reverse engineering since 2 days but I still don't know where the bug comes from.

Over 600 frames at 1880x840: SanDisk Extreme Pro 16GB 90 MB/s! (Without HaCk3D mode).
With 17th built i did about 450 frames.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rs555 on May 19, 2013, 03:32:58 PM
Sorry to keep asking dumb newbie questions... but I can't get ML to work on my MK2.

The firmware is 2.1.2, and I used "macboot" (OSX 10.6.8 ) to create a bootable CF using option "Make DSLR-bootable". It says that I successfully created one...

Then I have downloaded the above .zip file, decompressed it and copied the contents ("AUTOEXEC.BIN" & "ML/" folder) to the root dir of my CF (folder where "DCIM/" & "MISC/" are located). When I insert the CF into my camera, and go to the firmware upgrade menu it says: "Memory card containing firmware is required". :(

I noticed that in these zip files (I tried a few from this thread) a "xxxxx.fir" file is missing?! E.g. in the 5d3 versions of ML there seem to be "xxx.fir" files...  could that be the problem?!

Thanks a lot for your help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 19, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
rs555 ... Here's the step-by-step sequence of how I did it. Not sure it's the best way, but it does seem to be the easiest way: http://5dfilmmaking.com/?p=62

And, I was able to shoot this, so it seemed to work. I had to manually repair the footers on files shot with the May 16 build (thanks, a.d. for the help on that!), and RAW2DNG rejects any file over 2 GB, but it's still pretty darn cool.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rs555 on May 19, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
rs555 ... Here's the step-by-step sequence of how I did it. Not sure it's the best way, but it does seem to be the easiest way: http://5dfilmmaking.com/?p=62

Thanks! I just figured it out...  :)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Bassaidai on May 19, 2013, 04:32:30 PM
The build from 2013/05/19 for 5D2
a75c4a74d4b9 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/a75c4a74d4b9.zip)

- I got some more frames vs previous build


Thanks a.d. !!

Test conditions:

- Komputerbay 32GB 1000x
- CF card in camera formatted prior to each setting
- 3 consequtive runs
- black image (lens cap on)

Results:

- @ 1880x840 25fps hacked on: 1104 (64.1 MB/s), 4GB limit (65.2 MB/s), 1426 (64.6 MB/s)
- @ 1880x840 24fps hacked on: 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limt (63.1 MB/s) <- stable!
 
- @ 1880x840 25fps hacked off: 1280 (64.5 MB/s), 1288 (64.5 MB/s), 1380 (64.5 MB/s)
- @ 1880x840 24fps hacked off: 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limt (63.1 MB/s) <- stable!

- @ 1880x960 25fps hacked on: 181 (64.1 MB/s), 189 (64.2 MB/s), 172 (64.2 MB/s)
- @ 1880x960 24fps hacked on: 246 (65.4 MB/s), 246 (65.1 MB/s), 246 (65.1 MB/s)

- @ 1880x960 25fps hacked off: 181 (64.5 MB/s), 181 (64.6 MB/s), 181 (64.3 MB/s)
- @ 1880x960 24fps hacked off: 246 (65.1 MB/s), 246 (64.8 MB/s), 246 (64.9 MB/s)

I have the impression while "hacked on" gives higher peak rates, "hacked off" results in more stable write speeds.
I also did a couple of tests with actual footage (not just lens cap on black images) and that resulted in considerably lower frame counts. How is that possible with uncompressed RAW footage? Is DNG somehow compressed? (fast runlength compression or something like that?)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 19, 2013, 04:59:14 PM
what is this hack3d? how does it work?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Bassaidai on May 19, 2013, 05:02:51 PM
what is this hack3d? how does it work?

Its an option in a.d.'s latest build, couple of messages above.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 19, 2013, 05:08:58 PM
It doesn't seem to work on 5D2, just tried. It should stop the LiveView image to free some CPU power. Boo...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on May 19, 2013, 05:10:31 PM
608 frames @ 960 with both hack3d on or off
262 frames @ 1080 with both hack3d on or off

same as previous builds

Komputerbay 32gb 1000x
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 19, 2013, 05:13:13 PM
If the cpu power is a variable for how frames we can shoot, is it possible (and a good idea?) to overclock it?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JohnBarlow on May 19, 2013, 05:26:19 PM
I agree, I think there must be some processor drain with actual images, based on your results.

Good test BTW!

Thanks a.d. !!

Test conditions:

- Komputerbay 32GB 1000x
- CF card in camera formatted prior to each setting
- 3 consequtive runs
- black image (lens cap on)

Results:

- @ 1880x840 25fps hacked on: 1104 (64.1 MB/s), 4GB limit (65.2 MB/s), 1426 (64.6 MB/s)
- @ 1880x840 24fps hacked on: 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limt (63.1 MB/s) <- stable!
 
- @ 1880x840 25fps hacked off: 1280 (64.5 MB/s), 1288 (64.5 MB/s), 1380 (64.5 MB/s)
- @ 1880x840 24fps hacked off: 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limit (63.1 MB/s), 4GB limt (63.1 MB/s) <- stable!

- @ 1880x960 25fps hacked on: 181 (64.1 MB/s), 189 (64.2 MB/s), 172 (64.2 MB/s)
- @ 1880x960 24fps hacked on: 246 (65.4 MB/s), 246 (65.1 MB/s), 246 (65.1 MB/s)

- @ 1880x960 25fps hacked off: 181 (64.5 MB/s), 181 (64.6 MB/s), 181 (64.3 MB/s)
- @ 1880x960 24fps hacked off: 246 (65.1 MB/s), 246 (64.8 MB/s), 246 (64.9 MB/s)

I have the impression while "hacked on" gives higher peak rates, "hacked off" results in more stable write speeds.
I also did a couple of tests with actual footage (not just lens cap on black images) and that resulted in considerably lower frame counts. How is that possible with uncompressed RAW footage? Is DNG somehow compressed? (fast runlength compression or something like that?)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rs555 on May 19, 2013, 06:19:13 PM
For me the ability to customize the actual shooting resolution is the coolest feature of all... just did some quick tests with a 2x anamorphic lens at 1280x1080. Ok, already almost forgot the fact that this thing records in raw, of course (which is like 10x christmas condensed into a single day!) ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: vikado on May 19, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
nice. that hack3d 3d option seems to give me more framerates.
managed to reached 1785 frames on a transcend 600x 16gb on 1888x720

it still bugs me i mananged to reach the 4gb limit a few times with an earlier build though.  >:(
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 19, 2013, 07:09:29 PM
It's placebo, it has absolutely no effect on 5D2.
Title: 10-second predelay?
Post by: Hazer on May 19, 2013, 08:25:22 PM
Given the relatively brief recording times we're getting here on the 5d2 for anything approaching 1080p, it would be great if we could enable an optional 10-second pre-record delay in the menus.  Just like the 10-second delay mode for stills.  For those of us doing solo shoots, narrative, video blogging, or anything else where the shooter also needs to get into the shot, this would allow enough time to do so.  Ideally, this would trigger the audio sync "beep" when recording actually starts, as a kind of 'on air' notification.

In the earlier builds, the "allocating" phase that appeared right after starting record actually functioned that way.  I'm getting more frames now with the later builds, but I'm wasting them running into the shot and getting set up.

To be clear, this would be an optional item, in the raw menu, settable for when it's useful.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rs555 on May 19, 2013, 09:13:30 PM
@Hazer: good idea.

On more or less the same topic. it would be great to be able to configure the "Rec key" setting so that raw recording can be triggered through "Halfshutter" (and wired remote), as well!

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: abaeza on May 20, 2013, 01:30:34 AM
A bit of skin just for testing
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 20, 2013, 01:51:22 AM
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 20, 2013, 03:31:47 AM
Hey Guys,

Have any of you experienced color shifts halfway through a clip?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 20, 2013, 03:43:03 AM
I tried the May 19 build on my 5D Mark II, and I can only get 155-185 frames at 1280x720 @ 24fps on a Transcend 400x 32GB card, even with Hack3d mode.

I know the card isn't the best, but it should only need 36.9MB/s for these settings, and my card benchmarks around 45-55MB/s. I feel like I'm getting way less frames than I should, anyone have any other ideas?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 03:47:33 AM
I tried the May 19 build on my 5D Mark II, and I can only get 155-185 frames at 1280x720 @ 24fps on a Transcend 400x 32GB card, even with Hack3d mode.

I know the card isn't the best, but it should only need 36.9MB/s for these settings, and my card benchmarks around 45-55MB/s. I feel like I'm getting way less frames than I should, anyone have any other ideas?

at that resolution I can get 178 frames from a 133X card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 20, 2013, 04:38:02 AM
at that resolution I can get 178 frames from a 133X card.

Exactly! I feel like something is just not right. Global draw is off too, not like that would make such a huge difference. I feel like I'm missing something, but I know I'm not. I'm reformatting my CF card now to see if that makes any difference.

I'm seeing some stuff about aligning partitions on CF cards in this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.75

But I'm not sure exactly what they're doing because they don't really mention it in depth.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 04:44:22 AM
Did you do your benchmark test with live view on?
The transcends are not high on the reliability list that some have posted.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bass1012dash on May 20, 2013, 04:50:23 AM
Did you do your benchmark test with live view on?
The transcends are not high on the reliability list that some have posted.

Anyone else having trouble getting the modules running on the may 20th nightly?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yomommassis on May 20, 2013, 04:50:40 AM
I tried the May 19 build on my 5D Mark II, and I can only get 155-185 frames at 1280x720 @ 24fps on a Transcend 400x 32GB card, even with Hack3d mode.

I know the card isn't the best, but it should only need 36.9MB/s for these settings, and my card benchmarks around 45-55MB/s. I feel like I'm getting way less frames than I should, anyone have any other ideas?

5D Mark 2 - May 19 build - Transcend 32GB 400x
1280x720 24p - no skip
1880x720 24p - 306 frames before skip

global draw off
no sound
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yomommassis on May 20, 2013, 05:15:26 AM
Exactly! I feel like something is just not right. Global draw is off too, not like that would make such a huge difference. I feel like I'm missing something, but I know I'm not. I'm reformatting my CF card now to see if that makes any difference.

I'm seeing some stuff about aligning partitions on CF cards in this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5471.75

But I'm not sure exactly what they're doing because they don't really mention it in depth.

Honestly I wouldn't worry about
I just recorded the same thing on the 5D Mark 2
1880x720 24p 306 frames

default format
1024 align
4096 align

all of them were still 306 frames
no increase in performance
Title: Severe aliasing and moire
Post by: Nachelsoul on May 20, 2013, 08:39:34 AM
Hi guys. I´ve been using this weekend the 13May Coutts build, and I got severe aliasing and moire in the 1880x720 resolution. I´m using Sandisk Extreme 60mb/s, I was be able to record 14 seconds before skipping. The IQ is wonderfull, but the aliasing is very noticiable.
I would like to ask you if the newer builds have fix that problem or if it cannot be fixed due the 5DmkII sensor. Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
aliasing and moire cannot be fixed on the mkII unless you use the VAF5d2 filter.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Nachelsoul on May 20, 2013, 08:49:46 AM
Thanks Ted. I have used softer lenses to get rid off the detail, but unfortunatly It did not work.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 20, 2013, 08:53:24 AM
Thanks Ted. I have used softer lenses to get rid off the detail, but unfortunatly It did not work.

You're welcome,

for your added info on the importance of adding a VAF filter to the 5d2 for serious work here are two tests I did:


2nd test, charts are at the near end:
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 20, 2013, 09:32:29 AM
You're welcome,

for your added info on the importance of adding a VAF filter to the 5d2 for serious work here are two tests I did:


2nd test, charts are at the near end:
I can only second that, I was out yesterday doing some tests and while the color and dynamic range is amazing the aliasing and moire is beyond anything acceptable, also I blew my load in no time as I only had a 16gb card with acceptable speed, therefore to me it looks like if I want to use this on the job I'll need at least 4x 1000x64gb cards and the VAF filter, meaning it is a 1000$+ investment to turn the 5D2 into a RAW camera that won't do full HD at least for now; the BMCPC juts started looking attractive again! But it has always been my intention to hold on to my 5D2 in any case, there is some sort of sentimental relationship... 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 20, 2013, 09:47:26 AM
Moiré
we have now RAW files. Theoretically it's more easy to fix that in post than H264.

I just read an interesting article about bayer-moire (http://www.libraw.org/articles/bayer-moire.html)


Could someone provide me a raw frame with Moiré to test?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Nachelsoul on May 20, 2013, 10:03:40 AM
the aliasing and moire is beyond anything acceptable
I second that, Africashot. I praise the work that A1ex and the developers are doing with these cameras. But unfortunatly only the MarkIII has the Raw potential. The ML RAW development is awesome, but the 5DmkII can not hold it yet, hope in a future. Interesting link about Moire. If we could do something in ACR to get rid off, could be a great solution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Nachelsoul on May 20, 2013, 10:29:03 AM
You're welcome,

for your added info on the importance of adding a VAF filter to the 5d2 for serious work here are two tests I did:


2nd test, charts are at the near end:

Thanks Ted. Nice tests. I still see the image jagged even with VAF filter. Not too much, but still there. Looks it is not the definitive solution. Hope someone find a solution via ACR.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: wl_kicker on May 20, 2013, 01:36:52 PM
there are some color noise in the edge area between bright and dark..looks like paper print's ink points..i don not know how to post the image to show the screen capture..
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 20, 2013, 02:17:12 PM
Is it even possible to remove the aliasing effects in post? It's a nasty effect that comes even more into play at these high raw detailed resolutions.  :-\
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 03:01:42 PM
Read some signal processing theory and you'll find out the sad answer ;)

You really need a filter before sampling, not after.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: critycal on May 20, 2013, 03:08:13 PM
Is it even possible to remove the aliasing effects in post? It's a nasty effect that comes even more into play at these high raw detailed resolutions.  :-\
Having raw, you can try to open the files in lightroom and use the anti moire brush, it might work.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: deknk12 on May 20, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
With a SanDisk 16GB Extreme 90mb/s card, I hit the 4gb file size limit at 1880x880 and 1880x720 with global draw off.

Now, if I could only get the DNG out of that file...

Quick sample:

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 20, 2013, 03:43:04 PM
With a SanDisk 16GB Extreme 90mb/s card, I hit the 4gb file size limit at 1880x880 and 1880x720 with global draw off.

Now, if I could only get the DNG out of that file...

Quick sample:


Really? With the same CF I arrive to a maximum of 600 frames at 1880x840...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cmac on May 20, 2013, 03:47:51 PM
Just shoot a small - 4-5 frames file at the same resolution, then make a cmd copy (if at windows) from the prompt go to the directory and do > copy file1(4gb) /B + file2(fewframes) /B testfile /B
/B - indicates binary read and write. Then try to process testfile with raw2dng. Hope it helps!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kenji on May 20, 2013, 04:10:17 PM
Thanks to the developers for making this possible.

Im trying a couple of benchmark tests but cannot get happy results.

Just got a Lexar 1000x 64gb and its pretty terrible (1024 partition alignment)

Any ideas? Maybe the 5D mark II cannot handle 64gb that good. Dunno

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flight-birds.com%2Fdrupal%2F2.BMP&hash=9ed505b14062d32c1f09e69420ba8966)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 20, 2013, 04:54:57 PM
Honestly I wouldn't worry about
I just recorded the same thing on the 5D Mark 2
1880x720 24p 306 frames

default format
1024 align
4096 align

all of them were still 306 frames
no increase in performance

But the fact that you can get 1880 and I only get 1280 with half as many frames is really bad. Like the card is half the speed it should be compared to others. I guess I just have a bad one, but the benchmarks suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 20, 2013, 05:23:05 PM
I do apologise. More flowers :(

RAW Test - KomputerBay Professional 32GB 1000x CF UDMA7 - Part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RBt9nvER--o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RBt9nvER--o)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: moomilk on May 20, 2013, 05:41:40 PM
Anyone tried Transcend 1000x card? They got to be pretty stable quality and capable of up to 120Mb/s write speed.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Redrocks on May 20, 2013, 07:35:26 PM
Komputerbay 64GB 1000x: perpetual recording upto 1880x840 using 20 May build from a.d.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Lukasz on May 20, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
Hi, wanted to add my Lexar 16gb 400x RAW test put out off 134 frame clips in 1880x720 which I am able to do. Continuosly 1880x540, only on first builds.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: deknk12 on May 20, 2013, 09:13:16 PM
Really? With the same CF I arrive to a maximum of 600 frames at 1880x840...

Sorry I misspoke. I went well beyond 600 at 1880x720 but I'm now thinking I was at 1280x720 when I hit the 4gb mark.
Title: Over and Underexposed frames
Post by: domisol on May 20, 2013, 10:04:36 PM
May be this could interest devs. Had an issue with some underexposed and overexposed frames.
5D2 with ML Build 19 Mai by forum member "a.d."
I uploaded the frames here :
http://cembalo.free.fr/ml2
000092.dng is normal exposed frame
000093.dng is under exposed
000099.dng is over exposed
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 20, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
M mode without any sort of HDR enabled? Changed any setting while recording?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: domisol on May 20, 2013, 11:11:53 PM
A1ex, yes, M mode, no HDR, no exposure change during shoot.
however, I must admit this occured only once on the series of tests I did yesterday.
thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 21, 2013, 03:01:07 AM
I appended some more test footage (iso tests) and upgraded my Vimeo account so it can display 1080p:

Title: About 5D2 raw video CF and synchronization
Post by: 4135541355 on May 21, 2013, 04:00:18 AM
When 5D2 ml shot raw1880*1080.

CF card choose Toshiba 1066x or Relisa 1000x?

Card fast enough?

Useful please advice, thank you!

And, when shooting raw video, audio synchronous do

Hope ml can shoot.Raw and recording function
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: CrewOfOne on May 21, 2013, 06:38:45 AM
I've finished a (small) complete project, shooting RAW on the Canon 5D2!

Here's my report: http://crewofone.com/2013/canon-5d2-raw-vs-h264-in-real-world-production/

Here's the BTS video.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cmac on May 21, 2013, 09:15:53 AM
Test the moire with 1X and 5X modes. For me there is less "bad/false color" moiree on the 5x mode. Still some bayer moire is present, but I think that is something that is hard to pass unless You shoot with foveon or 3CCD setup.

I expected the 5x to require 20mm lens against 100mm at 1x, but in fact it ended with 35mm very close to 100mm - shot from tripod.


I did some successful recovery of files, but sometimes it extract only some frames.
I think that if someone more advanced that could explain which filed in the footer correspond to resolution, speed and frames that could restore a lot of work. I use HxD as a hex edit, but that might not be of importance. I also might be doing something wrong, because I'm just adding the footer to the file. I usually shoot short several frames before each session and then start the real shoot.
With a slower 2GB SanDisk I constantly hit a limit of 670MB - even when I set skip frames and lower the stream to lesss than 20MB/sec (that's with the 19th may build).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 21, 2013, 09:20:00 AM
Greetings! First post from me here, just want to open by saying congrats to all devs involved and major thanks!

I have a MARK II 5D and am just beginning to get into shooting. Am wondering a few things.

We have an anamorphic lens. My understanding is unsqueezed this fills the entire frame, correct?
And then the software performs the squeeze which displays it letterboxed on the 4:3 camera screen, right?
But the letterboxed 4:3 display on the camera is not actually the resolution being recorded...
The full frame is still recorded, regardless of if you have an anamorphic lens on it or not, right?

So why should you ever change the recording ratio? Or are people talking about only changing the playback ratio?

I've heard people saying that you can set ML to record 1920x(Insert various cropped vertical sizes here) to do anamorphic.
It would be wonderful if I could record full RAW with anamorphic lens but technically, the full 1920x1080 frame is still being
recorded unsqueezed, right? What is the point in cropping then? Wouldn't you be cropping the full unsqueesed image?

I know that on Blurays that play in 1920x1080 but are 2.35:1 - they open a true 1080p screen but only display 1920x817 right?
But isn't this just for playback? Is there an advantage to using anamorphic which let's us record in 1080p because the
full vertical resolution isn't being used or is this just during playback because the full vertical resolution is used during recording?

Sorry to be so verbose! Tried to explain that best as possible! 8)

I am seriously eyeballing a Komputerbay 1000x 64GB card even though 65megs seems the max transfer rate.
Does anyone have any definitive proof that it is a hardware limitation and that no greater speed will ever occur without
hardware modification? Each build seems to bring different results - sometimes better, sometimes worse.
I keep remembering back in the old days when they got an extra 4k of RAM out of the Commodore 64 by using the cassette buffer...
Software tricks can sometimes do amazing things! - And what about hardware mods?

I've heard HDMI is too slow to take the RAW signal. What about splitting the load out CF and HDMI simultaneously?
(Dump raw binary data partly out hdmi and partly to CF in order to grab the full thing then join together later?)
The way I understand, the CPU is fast enough, it's just the CF interface which is bottle necking it, correct?

Thank you for taking the time to listen!!!

P.S. - I had to use a crappy SD to CF adapter to install ML. I have a 300x CF card but unfortunately, no USB adapter for it!
(I have a USB adaptor for the SD, that's why I had to use it!)

Normally, I would just get the files from the camera off the 300x card by hooking to the camera's USB port. However...
It seems the camera won't let me WRITE to the card from the USB so I can not get the ML files onto my 300x card until I get
a CF USB adapter which I plan to order with the Komputerbay 1000x 64GB later this week. In the meantime I am wondering...
Is there a way to enable write to CF card from camera's USB port?
By the way the horrid SD to CF adapter benches at about 1.7 megs hahha so it is useless!
I can play with ML and look at all the functions but I can not record anything! 8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: marten on May 21, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
First, thank you all developers!

Made a little test video with my 5D mkII. Using a Sandisk 60mb/s card I used the 1600x720 resolution. I got anywhere between 10s to 60s before first framedrop. When I got the shortest clips I restarted the camera and then I could get longer clips again.

I'm really missing synced audio in camera. It was a nightmare to sync the short clips throughout the movie. I have not found a consistent way to sync the recorded audio files. Have I missed some post about how to do this?

The blown highlights (actually they are not blown but very close) are intentional and made in post. It was so amazing to be able to work in Lightroom the same way I do with stills.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 21, 2013, 10:46:06 AM
Nice video, I'm testing audio sync as well.

My tests were at 24P - 2frames delay of video so nudge back audio 2 frames on timeline.

30p - 4 frames delay of video so nudge back audio 4 frames on timeline.

What are your observations?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 10:53:29 AM
So, audio starts a bit too late?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 21, 2013, 11:05:42 AM
For me, the audio loses sync continuously and maybe not even smoothly. It starts off close to sync, but gradually shifts out of sync. I don't know if it's the fault of the program I use (Avisynth with the ffms2 plugin), but audio remained in sync with the same program in the "vanilla" recording mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 21, 2013, 11:12:50 AM
So, audio starts a bit too late?

I guess its the video that starts 2 frames "late." I put it in quotes as I don't know the technical reason, could be it starts same but don't record 1st 2 frames of video, thus the 2 frame "lag".

The only file process I do is the raw2dng.

I then open the dng sequence in AE, conform framerate to 23.976 to correspond to recording framerate.

I did this test with a "clapper" in the head and tail and some short recording of short speech in between.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: marten on May 21, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
I made my recordings in 25p.

When I do that the audio starts before the video. This is easy fixed in post. But the audio is not running at same speed as movie so its out of sync quite soon.

So I thought the audio is recorded in "24" or "23.97". I slowed down my footage to that and tried to sync. It was much better, but still drifted after some time. In a 90 sec clip it was synced half way, but then got out of sync. I couldn't get it consistently synced over that clip.

Do we know exacly at what speed audio is recorded? My initial test makes me wonder if the speed even varies throughout the clip.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
Audio is recorded at 48 KHz, without any sort of sync. I'm not sure how to do that...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 21, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
And also, the audio file is very long compared to the video.

Varying raw video clips recorded from 4, 5  to 6 seconds
have audio files that are the SAME in length of exactly;

6 min 12 sec.  (   06:12 )
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 21, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
That can't be fixed unless going back to the start of the file and rewriting the header. So... just trim it.
Title: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: disuye on May 21, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
Massive fan of ML - and the work you guys have done toward RAW is brilliant.

I'm still using my trusty old 5Dmk2 and have been running into a lot of moire with the RAW video recording feature, how are the 5Dmk3 users fairing? Just wondering if this is the final nudge I need to upgrade my camera body!

Thanks in advance, Dan
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: ted ramasola on May 21, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
if you have the funds, go for the mkIII. If you still want to squeeze more usefulness from your mkII for less, get the mosaic VAF5d2.

This tests I did with charts show 5d2 raw video with and without vaf in charts near the end.


This is all charts in burst mode;

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 21, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
A1ex,

Is there a way to stop playback of a Raw video during in camera preview after it started playing?
Sometimes you just want to check if the image got recorded and want to do the next take asap but the current playback rate is slow and so if there is a STOP function, that would be great.
Maybe there is but I missed it so my apologies in advance.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: marten on May 21, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
I'm sorry I can't be of much help with the creation of the audio. You are way smarter than me and you are doing a great job!
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: disuye on May 21, 2013, 01:52:25 PM
Great thanks for these! Are 5dmk3 owners getting any moire at all with the RAW feature?

(p.s: thank you to the forum moderator who appended my thread here, much appreciated)
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: ted ramasola on May 21, 2013, 01:54:34 PM
Great thanks for these! Are 5dmk3 owners getting any moire at all with the RAW feature?

Very minimal due to the aggressive OLPF. This also caused the mk3 to be a bit soft when recording native h264.  ...sigh.. you can't have it all. :)
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: rpmcam on May 21, 2013, 02:01:21 PM
6D maybe has a lot of moire too in raw, i test tonight, cause this is an issue.
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: noisyboy on May 21, 2013, 02:22:35 PM
It's basically down to the raw image being so unforgiving without the compression softening the detail. That and the line skipping on mkII and 6D making things so shit. I found after a lot of playing that you can help fight this in post with two things. The color artifacts can be treated by using a plugin like RE:Vision smooth kit to Gaussion Blur just the chroma. This is also possible by applying an anti moire filter in your Adobe raw settings when importing to AE by choosing the filter brush and painting using it to mask the whole image and then adjusting the moire slider to remove the horrible color artifacts. Be careful not to go too far as it can blur the wrong colors too much. After that you can use a plugin like Re:Vision Anti-Staircase (also a part of Smoothkit) in After Effects (it's called something like that) to blur the aliasing (a value of about 70 helps a lot). This of course blurs the image slightly but once the aliasing is smoothed you can return some sharpness with a sharp filter or un-sharp  mask. Better the image slightly soft anyway than having your image shimmering with moire and aliasing. Blugh!  8)
Title: Re: Over and Underexposed frames
Post by: silwerfedlt on May 21, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
May be this could interest devs. Had an issue with some underexposed and overexposed frames.
5D2 with ML Build 19 Mai by forum member "a.d."
I uploaded the frames here :
http://cembalo.free.fr/ml2
000092.dng is normal exposed frame
000093.dng is under exposed
000099.dng is over exposed

What workflow did you use? AE, photoshop? Lightroom? Sometimes in AE for example if you have more than one xmp or .raw file in there you will get differenet raw conversions... What I mean is that maybe you have opened frame 0001 and also frame 0055 and tried out differenet raw conversion settings (in any adobe product) then your conversion changes on frame 0055...

I hope this makes sense...

I´ve have done alot of testing and haven´t seen any exposure change

Cheers
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 21, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
guys, with the new build 21th, when i record with 5x it comes out with 30 fps not 24, is that right ? And i also can't get 1880x840 full recording in 5x... it could be the extra 6 frames? because without the 5x im able to record fulltime 24fps in 1880x840 with a KomputerBay 1000x 64gb...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 21, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Noix22, turn on FPS override.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 21, 2013, 11:25:22 PM
mvejerslev! worked beautifully!!! now i recorded fulltime in 1920x840 5x 24fps ...

so i should always work with fps override ON for the RAW ?

"desired FPS 24 ( from 24 )"
"optimize for Exact FPS"
"actual FPS 24"

is this settings correct?

i also could record a bit more frames in 1880x960 with FPS override ON... i got 500 frames before i was getting 400...

Title: Re: Over and Underexposed frames
Post by: domisol on May 21, 2013, 11:44:04 PM
Well my workflow is LR, but before posting I checked the .dng in itself, alone, opening in PS.
So the issue doesn't come from the workflow.
However it didn't occured since then.
Thanks.

What workflow did you use? AE, photoshop? Lightroom? Sometimes in AE for example if you have more than one xmp or .raw file in there you will get differenet raw conversions... What I mean is that maybe you have opened frame 0001 and also frame 0055 and tried out differenet raw conversion settings (in any adobe product) then your conversion changes on frame 0055...

I hope this makes sense...

I´ve have done alot of testing and haven´t seen any exposure change

Cheers
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kabuto1138 on May 22, 2013, 12:12:41 AM
Getting the full 4gb limit with 1880 x 840 using a Lexar 1000x card with no problem using today's (21 of May) build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: gandalfk7 on May 22, 2013, 12:32:17 AM
if they are useful for the development I have some artifacts in my images,
recorded on a 30mbs sandisk 1280x540: http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/993/raw1j.png
used the 21st version
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 22, 2013, 02:29:48 AM
>so i should always work with fps override ON for the RAW ?

Its only necessary in crop mode.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: vikado on May 22, 2013, 05:21:05 AM
there's no way to get around the 4gb limit?
so that means getting 5dm3.  :-\
Title: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bigshave on May 22, 2013, 06:10:49 AM
Hey guys, here's my first test video. Has anybody had corrupt raw files that won't convert to DNG? I shot 20 clips and 3 of them won't open. I think there is less moiré / aliasing with raw. Lots of bricks, details and patterns.

Gear:
- 24-105L IS
- Hand-held, IS ON
- Transcend CF Card 16GB 600x

Camera / Magic Lantern Settings:
- ISO 320/640
- 50 shutter
- 1880 x 840
- ML nightly build May 19, 2013
- Raw camera Module
- Canon Camera Video X Picture Profile

Postproduction:
- Converted with Raw2DNG app
- Color Correction with Adobe Photoshop
- Exported @ 23.98fps and up-converted to 1080p with QT7
- Edited with FCP X
- Music by Kurt Vile - Nicotine Blues

Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: disuye on May 22, 2013, 07:39:33 AM
Very minimal due to the aggressive OLPF. This also caused the mk3 to be a bit soft when recording native h264.  ...sigh.. you can't have it all. :)

Is there anyway for Magic Lantern to 'crop' the sensor when capturing raw? This would eliminate the line skipping ergo moire (I think, I'm not an expert on this) ... Yes, you would lose the 5D's full frame aesthetic and would have to use wider lenses for the same FOV, but it'd be a very interesting experiment.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Nachelsoul on May 22, 2013, 09:10:48 AM
Hello guys. This is my first boring plants test with the 5DmkII
I tried different approaches to get rid of the Aliasing and moire, not enough but works better than the original file.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 22, 2013, 09:14:22 AM
disuye,

Did you try? Indeed its possible, been playing with that feature myself, and found that I was recording 1920x720 on my 5D Mark II in 24FPS override in crop mode!! I didnt even know the 5D could do 1920. Anyway, the shots are gorgeous.
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: Africashot on May 22, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Is there anyway for Magic Lantern to 'crop' the sensor when capturing raw? This would eliminate the line skipping ergo moire (I think, I'm not an expert on this) ... Yes, you would lose the 5D's full frame aesthetic and would have to use wider lenses for the same FOV, but it'd be a very interesting experiment.

This is already working, just use the zoom button in live view and you can record a 1920 x whatever you choose 1:1 crop
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 22, 2013, 12:04:27 PM
Does anyone know what is the technical problem of not being able to shoot at 1920 width (but 1880) when not in crop mode? Is it because of the amount of sensor pixels?
I don't really get it because the 5d2 has 5613 pixels width right? divide it with 3 means 1871 pixels, so how is it even possible to shoot at 1880 width? ::)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: tihon on May 22, 2013, 12:16:55 PM
Does anyone know what is the technical problem of not being able to shoot at 1920 width (but 1880) when not in crop mode? Is it because of the amount of sensor pixels?
I don't really get it because the 5d2 has 5613 pixels width right? divide it with 3 means 1871 pixels, so how is it even possible to shoot at 1880 width? ::)
the same question...
Title: Re: hellish moire on 5Dmk2 during RAW video recording?
Post by: disuye on May 22, 2013, 01:09:20 PM
This is already working, just use the zoom button in live view and you can record a 1920 x whatever you choose 1:1 crop

I had no idea! Sorry - I'm still getting up to speed with the raw functionality.

Incidentally, I bought a Toshiba 64GB "Exceria Pro" 1066X card earlier today - specs on paper look totally ballistic and the price was pretty damn good (USD 289 / HK$ 2250 for the 64GB card, I'm based in Hong Kong FYI so this stuff is pretty cheap).

Will reply with performance test tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 22, 2013, 01:10:55 PM
Strange in the magic lantern 5d2 platform header file I see this:

#define SENSOR_RES_X 5792
#define SENSOR_RES_Y 3804

that would mean if you'd divide by 3 you get about 1930 pixels width, so that means 1920 is possible by just skipping 2 pixels. I can't find the code for blocking the max width to 1880. (I expect there is some comment in the code explaining why this is a limit)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 22, 2013, 03:09:58 PM
Real resolution of 5d2!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdcmakecreative.altervista.org%2FRes5d2.jpg&hash=7272d7efda44e51ceef731405b42ff7d)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 22, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
Is the 1880 limitation placed in ML simply because going higher drops too many frames?
If yes, shouldn't it be easy to put a version out that allows us to select all the resolutions, even if it's too slow, just so we can experiment?

I'm still not understanding this anamorphic crop thing - with a true 2.35:1 anamorphic lens, can we record the full pic in 1080 x X?

I keep hearing about cropping. 16:9 cropped to 2.35:1 is NOT anamorphic, it's just less of a 16:9 image.
A true anamorphic picture should take up the entire frame and be vertically stretched, to later be squeezed into the common
letterbox when displayed on 4:3 or with lesser bars when displayed 16:9. Either way, the aspect ratio of true anamorphic
shows way more horizontally than a cropped 16:9 image. I understand I'm stating the obvious, just want clarification.
It seems people are saying you can shoot 1920x(insert various vertical resolutions here which are less than 1080) with anamorph.
I am wondering if this results in true anamorphic shot or a cropped 16:9?

Plan on posting some tests as soon as I order my 1000x, am still unable to do anything without a proper card.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 22, 2013, 03:17:45 PM
Strange in the magic lantern 5d2 platform header file I see this:

#define SENSOR_RES_X 5792
#define SENSOR_RES_Y 3804

that would mean if you'd divide by 3 you get about 1930 pixels width, so that means 1920 is possible by just skipping 2 pixels. I can't find the code for blocking the max width to 1880. (I expect there is some comment in the code explaining why this is a limit)

Set different res like 5640x3760 (/3=1880x1253)?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on May 22, 2013, 03:40:51 PM
Is the 1880 limitation placed in ML simply because going higher drops too many frames?
If yes, shouldn't it be easy to put a version out that allows us to select all the resolutions, even if it's too slow, just so we can experiment?

I'm still not understanding this anamorphic crop thing - with a true 2.35:1 anamorphic lens, can we record the full pic in 1080 x X?

I keep hearing about cropping. 16:9 cropped to 2.35:1 is NOT anamorphic, it's just less of a 16:9 image.
A true anamorphic picture should take up the entire frame and be vertically stretched, to later be squeezed into the common
letterbox when displayed on 4:3 or with lesser bars when displayed 16:9. Either way, the aspect ratio of true anamorphic
shows way more horizontally than a cropped 16:9 image. I understand I'm stating the obvious, just want clarification.
It seems people are saying you can shoot 1920x(insert various vertical resolutions here which are less than 1080) with anamorph.
I am wondering if this results in true anamorphic shot or a cropped 16:9?

Plan on posting some tests as soon as I order my 1000x, am still unable to do anything without a proper card.

Thanks!
I guess a lot of people mean the cinemascope aspect ration when they say anamorphic, the custom resolution function however enables you to shoot at a 4:3 aspect ratio (or whatever fits your lens) meaning that you can use anamorphic lenses in order to achieve 2.35, here is a good hands on post on the subject by Andrew Reid: http://www.eoshd.com/content/10450/2-5k-cinemascope-anamorphic-raw-on-the-5d-mark-iii
I personally love this aspect ratio because of the way the image is composed within the wide rectangle, I'd of course love to use true anamorphic lenses to achieve it, for now I do not own any though and I happily accept cropping away some resolution as a trade off to not achieving enough speed with the cards I currently own... 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 22, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Is the 1880 limitation placed in ML simply because going higher drops too many frames?
If yes, shouldn't it be easy to put a version out that allows us to select all the resolutions, even if it's too slow, just so we can experiment?

Just what I am thinking... It would be nice if we can even select it just to play with it. For some of us it will be useful. It might be possible to use 2.39:1 (1920x817) for the 5d2

still looking at the code to find the 1880 restriction... (so I can remove it hehe :P)

edit: a bit off topic, but does one know how to make sure I an aligned partition on my compact flash card? In windows 7 I can't delete / create partitions on the compact flash disk using my card reader... Is that only possible in linux?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bvogelsang on May 22, 2013, 05:01:28 PM
Is the 1880 limitation placed in ML simply because going higher drops too many frames?
If yes, shouldn't it be easy to put a version out that allows us to select all the resolutions, even if it's too slow, just so we can experiment?

As far as I've understood so far, the RAW-function in ML just streams the Liveview-feed of the camera, and this is only 1880 and not 1920 on the 5D2.... ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: 1% on May 22, 2013, 05:33:05 PM
Its supposed to be the size it says.... you can't magically get 1920 out of it. Canon upscales this for H264.
Title: max write speed on 5DMK2?
Post by: disuye on May 22, 2013, 06:45:37 PM
Just curious if there is a limitation in CF card write speeds within the 5Dmk2 other than the card itself?

My 5Dmk2 will not seem to get over 62-63 MB/s despite a card rating of (granted, optimistically) 150 MB/s ... http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/eng/profile/news/newsrelease/memory/topics_130426_e_1.html
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 22, 2013, 08:15:30 PM
Cinemascope is 2.66:1 which is not far off from 2.35/2.39:1.

The custom aspect ratio allows 4:3? Okay.... And? Does that allow full frame RAW recording at 4:3?

Remember, anamorphic is full frame.
It's only during playback that bars on top and bottom come into play after the stretched full frame image is squeezed back.
Cropped 16:9 is not full frame and gives even LESS room than 16:9 which imho already isn't enough room.

So in playback, cropped 16:9 to 2.35:1 and true anamorphic 2.35:1 will take up the same area but they are totally different.
The anamorphic source is a full frame worth of data whereas the 16:9 cropped is cutting even more out of a crap ratio.

So I guess next question is - 1920x1080 is not square. 4:3 is more square than 16:9. So... What is the RESOLUTION of the cam's 4:3?

I always assumed the camera just recorded 4:3 and added black crop bars to make the 16:9.

If this is the case than the full uncropped 4:3 would actually be HIGHER resolution than 1920x1080.
It would be like removing the matte, there would be even more picture.

And... If that's the case then the answer must be NO, you can not record true full frame anamorphic raw yet
because if you can't even do 1920x1080 then you wouldn't be able to do higher than 1920x1080 either.

The other case would be that all the custom ratio 4:3 does is crop a 4:3 chunk out of the 1920x1080 image.
If all the custom ratio function does is crop then it is NOT changing the aspect ratio, it's just cropping.
This would be kinda lame and pointless but I guess it would allow for pseudo anamorphic recording.
But it wouldn't really be true at all.

What is the full frame 4:3 resolution?

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 22, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
Full frame video resolution is 1880x1250 for the 5D2. Kinda funky, but it was designed this way. Unless we can get 94+ MB/s of write speed, it's kind of a pipe dream to get full frame resolution continuously, which in turn would've provided even greater resolution at 2.35:1 with an anamorphic lens (effectively 2938x1250 resolution when stretched horizontally). I'd be happy enough with just ~1880x800 which the 5D2 seems just barely able to pull.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 22, 2013, 08:37:45 PM
Yoshiyuki - 1880 is TOPS for horizontal resolution?

So the 5D2 actually can not really do true 1080p? (It "upscales" from 1880 to 1920?) Geeze...
That's false marketing on Canon's part, if they say 1080p it should be 1080p.

So in your opinion, what should I do with my anamorphic?

What would be the optimal settings to retain maximum resolution, proper aspect ratio and remain equally divisible
of course in the numbers so you don't get major distortion when/if upscaled?

I've seen some people say just shoot it 720p and it looks better still RAW upscaled to 1080p than 1080p h.264.

But part of me really hates that of course, I would love to get higher than 720p even if not the full 1080p.

What about 1440x1080i? This is an actual HD resolution it appears. Will HDTVs kick into that mode if something is shot in it?
The high-definition television wiki lists it in the specs:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

I prefer just leaving the image exactly as shot so long as the aspect ratio is proper and letting the tv kick into the proper
mode if possible as opposed to upscaling which is something I consider to be evil. 8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 22, 2013, 09:00:10 PM
Just to clarify, full frame is 3:2 ratio and anamorphic is a 4:3 ratio (unstretched), right? You can record at something like 1440x1080 (the 5D2 can barely handle that) and stretch it to 2538x1080. That's well over that full HD can handle (1920x1080) so it even gives you a bit of room to downsample to 1920x817 or some mod2 resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: KSphoto on May 22, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
I was recording in 1440x720 and the buffer was handling things fine using a Lexar Pro 600x card, when all of a sudden it quit at about 2900 frames. I wanted to try a full 4gb run using the May 21 build, but it was like the camera went to sleep. What happened?

I got it. When I reset settings the liveview became set on  1 minute sleep.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 23, 2013, 03:30:59 AM
guys... see if anyone can help.. i have a komputerbay 1000x 64gb but i can record only 1880x840 without stop... anything higher stops max after 500 frames, also if i turn the audio record function the buffer fills up even faster. Using the build 22th. The double buffer is already in the build? Or i have to do something to enable it?? that would allow me to record 1880x960 maybe ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 23, 2013, 03:56:31 AM
If you can record indefinitely at 1880 x 840 on the Mark II you're doing about as well as can be done.  My Komputerbay 64GB just arrived today and it's definitely faster than my Lexar 32GB 1000x.  But I'm not getting unlimited at 840.  So far I'm seeing max write speeds of about 61/sec, and that's on a good take.  This translates to about 1100-1300 frames at 840.  On the Lexar, sustained 60/sec was the best case, and most often it was high 50s.  Frequently I would not break 1000 frames at 840, so the Komputerbay is an improvement.  This is all with global draw and audio off.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 23, 2013, 04:18:09 AM
Perhaps FPS is a factor?

Noix, The cameras internals are the limiting factor on the 5DII as of right now. Not card speed. The camera outputs somewhere about 60-65MB/s max.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 23, 2013, 04:23:53 AM
Yes 1880x840 is pretty good to me, i can work with that! But i've seen some people doing 1920x1080 or higher with the same card i have. So im guessing that is with Mk3, wich probably handle buffer stuff better than Mk2...  :o

hummm i get that mvejerslev... thanks!

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 23, 2013, 04:35:44 AM
Alternatively, when you need a more standard 16:9 aspect ratio, you can try 1720x 960.  This looks far better than the stock H264 and only requires minimal scaling to get to 1080.  I'm seeing anywhere from 500 to 800 frames at this size, 61MB/sec.  It sounds like you might do a little better.  Let us know how many frames you get if you test it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 23, 2013, 05:01:14 AM
Yes thanks for the advice Hazer.. it is the best option for a 16:9 for sure! I just did the test you told me... So in 1720x960 im getting almost the 4gb file it stopped with 1300 frames 3.71gb file size... good enough considering the 4gb limit... But tell me you're using a komputerbay card 1000x 64gb as well ?

* so its useless to get cards like a 1066x for the 5d mk2 ? will still not be able to shoot higher res ? or that extra card speed could help to handle at least 1880x840 but with sound ON ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 23, 2013, 05:19:35 AM
1300 frames is really good!  I'm also on the Komputerbay 64GB 1000x.  It would be perfect if I could do 1300 frames, but the longest clip I have seen at 1720x960 was around 850 frames, 61MB/sec.  A "bad" shot will be more like 500 frames.  What write speed are you seeing at 1720x960?

Re: 1066x cards, you would have to get one and test it.  Even though we are operating well below the maximum rate of these cards on the 5D2, there are still differences between them.  My Lexar 32GB is also 1000x but the Komputerbay is 1-2 MB/sec faster.  This is enough for a few hundred frames at 1720x960.  It is possible that a few MB/sec could make the difference between limited and unlimited recording for a particular resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 23, 2013, 05:30:50 AM
Write speed goes around 64MB/sec... and the buffer is filling up really slow... again i got 1288 frames a 3.63GB file size... The strange thing is that we both have same card and camera but different results... One thing i did, i disabled everything in ML menu!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 23, 2013, 06:33:32 AM
Hey, cool, thanks for the upload!  I didn't even realize you could save settings.  I see it in the menu now.  Anyway, no change in my performance.  I can only assume there is great variability in the cards themselves and that is what accounts for the different results people are seeing.  Who knows!  I think there is more to come in terms of performance enhancement though.  Thanks again to the devs...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: moet_chandon on May 23, 2013, 09:03:25 AM
Hello,

one strange thing, when i change the picture quality in original menu it changes the number of frames i can get.

Example:

- select jpg M in original menu. i get 579 frames @ 1880x960/24 (DNG Size 3.122KB)
- select Raw in original menu. i only get 343 frames @ 1880x960/24 (DNG Size 3.122KB)



Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 23, 2013, 09:58:40 AM
Hello,

one strange thing, when i change the picture quality in original menu it changes the number of frames i can get.

Example:

- select jpg M in original menu. i get 579 frames @ 1880x960/24 (DNG Size 3.122KB)
- select Raw in original menu. i only get 343 frames @ 1880x960/24 (DNG Size 3.122KB)

and if you totally disable raw and leave just jpeg you will get even higher number of frames.  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Frostypb88 on May 23, 2013, 10:29:54 AM
Got a chance to fly the MKII on a cinestar 8 tonight. Wanted to see how much shadow could be recovered. I was able to hit the 4gig limit using a 8gb sandisk 60/mbps at 1600x720. Ill post the video later as soon as it uploads. Only issue i ran into is 4GB = 1:23, so not much flight time on it.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 23, 2013, 10:47:16 AM
Since there is a (small) buffer it is probably possible to write a shot to multiple files on the card to create longer shots. If creating and opening the file takes a bit too long it would be nice if this could be done in advance:

i.e. when you press record it creates and opens lets say 10 files. The only thing that needs to be done is to change the write pointer from one file to another during the recording. I might try to create something like that this weekend.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: xvince1 on May 23, 2013, 11:25:16 AM
Don't know if it will fit on the right thread...

As I have seen the test between RAW/H264 and GH2 hack on 150Mbit/s, I was wondering if a good CF can handle the 3x bitrate on the "normal" ML firmware instead of RAW. Personnaly, I use 2.3x bitrate with a komputerbay 64Gb 600x wich is a bloody shit (benching only à write 22 mb/s). So maybe with a good CF, the 3x codec bitrate can be a real good alternative for the Mk2

Waiting for a real good 128Gb or 256GB CF to buy.

So any comment about write speed and format system files on CF (Perso, I have seen some huge difference between cluster size on the komputerbay, but as I can't format on FAT32 in windows (don't know why, I can only NTFS or exFAT, and sadly, the mk2 do not recognize the card in exFAT)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: savale on May 23, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
Cool stuff going on for the 5d2 in the 14to12bit or 14to10bit topic. This might make higher resolutions and/or longer recording possible 8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: lokki19 on May 23, 2013, 02:12:11 PM
Hi guys, first time posting.

I'v been reading a lot about the raw for 5dmkii and decided to give it a try and shooting stuff that is not plain landscape, I wanted to see how it behaved with fast movement and close up. This clip was shot in 1280x480 with forced 24fps. I could not get anything bigger do to my card speed (kingston 16GB 266x). I recorded an average of 480 frame before the buffer filled up. There is no color correction apply, everything is ASIS.

I notice that there is still a bit of noise in flat surface, the strait lines across the FOV are a bit jaggy, and there seams to be a slight purple tint. I don't know if it's cause by the built or my sensor how is showing signs of wariness.

I'll do more test with newer built as the come.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 23, 2013, 02:30:42 PM
For those with a 5DmkII and a VAF filter, I tested that the filter is essential at 1x resolution.

However, its mushed up soft when used at 5X crop mode.

Here is a new chart test at 1880 x 1080 & 1920 x 1078 comparing the DNGs with a still CR2 sraw2 frame and also with a chart at h264.

This is using NB may 22.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: GR Productions on May 23, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
Hey folks,

I thought to open a specific topic for all discussions related to raw video on the 5dmk2.
 
Thanks
Oli
any chance of this fo the 5d3?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cmac on May 23, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fzoomdesign.bg%2Fstas%2Fres_test_000005.jpg&hash=f7d93de5014864e3abfa2fea34d9dd73)

There is written 35mm - but in fact it's 24mm - I made the first test with 35 but the zoom didn't matched - 35mm at 5x is closer to 100mm.

Here is my extract on 5x vs 1x - I think there is much less color moire at 5x mode - shot with 24 mm lens. The normal moire is visible in both shots, and unless we have 3 cmos or foveon it will be there.

VAF filter @ 5X is not good, because it's meaning is to blur the image to a level that the same portion of the image (pixel) is covering several horizontal lines - so the are even in color - kind of bluring them toghether. So at 5x it will do more harm then good.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: tihon on May 23, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fzoomdesign.bg%2Fstas%2Fres_test_000005.jpg&hash=f7d93de5014864e3abfa2fea34d9dd73)

There is written 35mm - but in fact it's 24mm - I made the first test with 35 but the zoom didn't matched - 35mm at 5x is closer to 100mm.

Here is my extract on 5x vs 1x - I think there is much less color moire at 5x mode - shot with 24 mm lens. The normal moire is visible in both shots, and unless we have 3 cmos or foveon it will be there.

VAF filter @ 5X is not good, because it's meaning is to blur the image to a level that the same portion of the image (pixel) is covering several horizontal lines - so the are even in color - kind of bluring them toghether. So at 5x it will do more harm then good.

Thank you for the test. Now i don`t think that i really need to get vaf.

1920 x1078- i wish it be 1880 x 880 to... The interface speed not gives us a write speed to take this resolution normally. Maybe 14bit to 12 bit will solve that.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 23, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
Hello,

one strange thing, when i change the picture quality in original menu it changes the number of frames i can get.

Example:

- select jpg M in original menu. i get 579 frames @ 1880x960/24 (DNG Size 3.122KB)
- select Raw in original menu. i only get 343 frames @ 1880x960/24 (DNG Size 3.122KB)

I'm seeing the same thing. I only got 150-170 frames with RAW selected as my photo capture type. I disabled RAW and chose S JPG only, and got 290 frames! The buffer seemed to have 2-3 extra stars. Very cool!
Title: Bad recording in 5D2 with X10 MODE
Post by: domisol on May 23, 2013, 10:23:00 PM
Hi
I want to report bad recording in 5D2 with X10 MODE.
Running 21 may ML build, by a.d.
First, the problems are different withing even frames (00, 02, 04...) or odd numbered frames (01, 03, 05...).
Situation 1 = 1920x1078 : even frames badly encoded, like noise information. odd frames nearly ok, but with a few bad lines at the top or bottom.
Situation 2 = 1440x720 : even frames OK, odd frames are bad, in the sense that they are just the repetition of the same frame (frame #01).

Also, I want to say that even if recording properly @23,97 fps in X1 mode, it switches to 29,97 in X10 mode.

I'm currently uploading some frames at the following URL :
http://cembalo.free.fr/mlx10
Hope this helps.

Jean-David
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: No Def on May 23, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
Haven't seen this posted, but there are a lot of posts now  ;)

When using a Marshall Monitor connected via HDMI the frame marker is offset and inaccurate.  Seems to be pushed left consistently.

Has this been the experience of anyone else, or addressed already?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 24, 2013, 12:29:18 AM
SAVALE - "cool stuff going on for the 5d2 in the 14to12bit or 14to10bit topic. This might make higher resolutions and/or longer recording possible 8)"

Link please? 8) These forums are so damn big it's hard to find stuff! 8) Thanx!

I said in my first post here that I remember back when an extra 4k of RAM was gained for the Commodore 64
by using the cassette buffer and that you can never underestimate the genius which can occur with software
given the proper amount of time and people putting effort into it. 8) Hope this news is good!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 24, 2013, 12:30:48 AM
Haven't seen this posted, but there are a lot of posts now  ;)

When using a Marshall Monitor connected via HDMI the frame marker is offset and inaccurate.  Seems to be pushed left consistently.

Has this been the experience of anyone else, or addressed already?

same with my SWIT monitor. Not yet addressed but already posted before.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: gandalfk7 on May 24, 2013, 01:23:31 AM
SAVALE - "cool stuff going on for the 5d2 in the 14to12bit or 14to10bit topic. This might make higher resolutions and/or longer recording possible 8)"

Link please? 8) These forums are so damn big it's hard to find stuff! 8) Thanx!

I said in my first post here that I remember back when an extra 4k of RAM was gained for the Commodore 64
by using the cassette buffer and that you can never underestimate the genius which can occur with software
given the proper amount of time and people putting effort into it. 8) Hope this news is good!

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5601.0
enjoy!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: abaeza on May 24, 2013, 02:46:18 AM
Haven't seen this posted, but there are a lot of posts now  ;)

When using a Marshall Monitor connected via HDMI the frame marker is offset and inaccurate.  Seems to be pushed left consistently.

Has this been the experience of anyone else, or addressed already?

SAME OVER HERE
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Hazer on May 24, 2013, 03:43:21 AM
Ok silly question -- how do I keep the LCD from shutting off while filming longer clips?  Not that I really *can* film long clips just yet, but you know, I'm an optimist.

Edit:  Never mind, *both* Canon and ML power saving options need to be switched off.  Carry on...
Title: Rolling shutter test 5d@ in raw mode vs h264
Post by: ted ramasola on May 24, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
For those curious to know about the rolling shutter "bendy thingy" in raw dng mode, I made this test with 2 cameras camparing raw video vs h264.

Since I only have one 5D2 and a 7D, I shot them first both at H264 to create a baseline behavior.
If both have similar behavior in h264, then I can use the 7D to do a side by side with the 5D recording raw while the 7D at h264.

You can draw your own conclusions.

Title: Re: Rolling shutter test 5d@ in raw mode vs h264
Post by: Africashot on May 24, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
For those curious to know about the rolling shutter "bendy thingy" in raw dng mode, I made this test with 2 cameras camparing raw video vs h264.

Since I only have one 5D2 and a 7D, I shot them first both at H264 to create a baseline behavior.
If both have similar behavior in h264, then I can use the 7D to do a side by side with the 5D recording raw while the 7D at h264.

You can draw your own conclusions.


Thanks for posting this Ted,
IMO rolling shutter is so bad in all of them; it probably will not even make a difference if RAW or not... or I'd have to compare it looking at freeze frames, but heck; if its that bad on h.264 anyway why not just stick to RAW and enjoy all the other benefits!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 24, 2013, 02:54:50 PM
@Africashot,

Yeah, those are very extreme aggressive whip pans just done to provoke the "rolling shutter effect" for this test. I was doing this since I've read in some post in other forums that some say RS is worse in raw dng shooting. I think its about the same. :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 24, 2013, 03:13:26 PM
gandalf - Thanks! Sounds promising but no actual module for download yet. Hopefully soon!

It appears that if they can get 12/10 bit working, we will easily be able to do RAW 1920x1080 on MK2D.

This is fucking awesome news!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: NitromanX on May 24, 2013, 04:32:04 PM
Well said Dak29 - that is f*cking awesome news !!!

All we now need is to fix the moire and extend the record times on the 5D2 !

In my work rolling shutter won't be an issue as they are whip pans ...

Is it likely we'll be able to get 25fps too - I'm in PAL land UK ?

Damn you Magic Lantern guys are Gods !  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yomommassis on May 24, 2013, 04:44:27 PM
Personnaly, I use 2.3x bitrate with a komputerbay 64Gb 600x wich is a bloody shit (benching only à write 22 mb/s). So maybe with a good CF, the 3x codec bitrate can be a real good alternative for the Mk2

Waiting for a real good 128Gb or 256GB CF to buy.

So any comment about write speed and format system files on CF (Perso, I have seen some huge difference between cluster size on the komputerbay, but as I can't format on FAT32 in windows (don't know why, I can only NTFS or exFAT, and sadly, the mk2 do not recognize the card in exFAT)

With my mark 2 I can't manage a 3.0x bitrate speed even with my Komputer Bay 1000x, and if I'm not mistaken it was my card that topped the benchmark chart

Windows cannot format FAT32 past 32GB natively, for this I used a program called FAT32Formatter.exe, but regardless I never noticed any speed increases with any chunk allocations or partition alignment/offset
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: 1% on May 24, 2013, 05:09:48 PM
Does it not work with exfat or something? Cards 64gb and up shouldn't be fat32.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bnvm on May 24, 2013, 05:24:23 PM
Hello,

I have a Monster 800X 32GB CF card and cannot even record 100 frames at 1280X720 without a ton of dropped frames, based off what I am reading I should be able to get much more than that. I have not done any optimizations just enable the module and started shooting, any ideas? Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: NitromanX on May 24, 2013, 05:40:02 PM
I've just Googled fastest CF cards and these new Toshiba 1066x look amazing ...

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/toshiba-compact-flash-exceria-pro-150mbps/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/toshiba-compact-flash-exceria-pro-150mbps/)

With 150-160Mb/sec speeds ...

Thoughts anyone ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 24, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ryan_jackson on May 24, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
@JackDaniel412
Beautiful video of the forest. The dynamic range is amazing.
Can you please tell us which memory card you were using?
What version of the firmware were you using?
What was the longest clip you could record?
What resolution were you shooting at?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 24, 2013, 06:26:07 PM
@ryan_jackson
I use a SanDisk Extreme Pro 16 GB 90 MB/s (max rec RAW speed 58 MB/s), the version of magic lantern is 2.3 nightly may 19th and RAW module may 20th (now I installed themay 23rd built and works well).
Shot at the resolution 1880x720, i can reach the limit of 4 gb!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bnvm on May 24, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
OK so formatting my card helped, I can now get about 11 seconds at 1880x720 @ 24fps before getting dropped frames. I still feel like this is a bit low considering my card is advertised at 160 MBPS. Again any suggestions would be awesome. Thanks a ton to the developers, its amazing what you guys are able to get out of this camera.
Title: Re: Bad recording in 5D2 with X10 MODE
Post by: a.d. on May 24, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Hi
I want to report bad recording in 5D2 with X10 MODE.
Running 21 may ML build, by a.d.
First, the problems are different withing even frames (00, 02, 04...) or odd numbered frames (01, 03, 05...).
Situation 1 = 1920x1078 : even frames badly encoded, like noise information. odd frames nearly ok, but with a few bad lines at the top or bottom.
Situation 2 = 1440x720 : even frames OK, odd frames are bad, in the sense that they are just the repetition of the same frame (frame #01).

Also, I want to say that even if recording properly @23,97 fps in X1 mode, it switches to 29,97 in X10 mode.

I'm currently uploading some frames at the following URL :
http://cembalo.free.fr/mlx10
Hope this helps.

Jean-David
Confirm. Thanks for the bug report. It's still there corrupt frames on every second in the current build. The other thing seems to be solve. Could you post it in (The zip file name is the build number):
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=23.0


@Ted
Thanks for the test

@JackDaniel412
beautiful

@bnvm
You could try the latest build. I find it really fast.



Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bnvm on May 24, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
I just installed the latest build last night, but I will check for a new one. Also I am noticing others are recording at resolutions that are not listed like 1600 for width. How are you doing this? Thanks.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 24, 2013, 07:55:27 PM
I did a first corporate project today with the 5dmk2.
Here is a screengrab from the heavy graded video (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-sNpHcoORKWo%2FUZ-oSEShtDI%2FAAAAAAAANbk%2FmDeeTrNAj9s%2Fs800%2F919454_10150297475914963_1206304328_o.jpg&hash=03d89758ef6e16e0ee1ed94b33066044)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JackDaniel412 on May 24, 2013, 08:01:25 PM
I did a first corporate project today with the 5dmk2.
Here is a screengrab from the heavy graded video (https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-sNpHcoORKWo%2FUZ-oSEShtDI%2FAAAAAAAANbk%2FmDeeTrNAj9s%2Fs800%2F919454_10150297475914963_1206304328_o.jpg&hash=03d89758ef6e16e0ee1ed94b33066044)

Wonderful shot!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 24, 2013, 08:05:05 PM
@bnvm
It's still there.

@olik
I need a vacation 8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: No Def on May 24, 2013, 08:21:41 PM
OK so formatting my card helped, I can now get about 11 seconds at 1880x720 @ 24fps before getting dropped frames. I still feel like this is a bit low considering my card is advertised at 160 MBPS. Again any suggestions would be awesome. Thanks a ton to the developers, its amazing what you guys are able to get out of this camera.

Things that can affect record time that I am aware of:

1. Still Picture mode.  Turn off RAW and only enable Jpeg.

2. Global Draw needs to be turned off in ML.

3. High ISO's = less record time.

4. Screen overlay's via the INFO button should be off.

On my 60MB/s Sandisk Extreme 16gb card I can get about 25sec of 1880x720.  YMMV
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a.d. on May 24, 2013, 08:53:43 PM
We have on 5D2 more memory on JPG than Raw Mode (like the Burst Mode).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 25, 2013, 01:28:23 AM
I haven't received my 64gb 1000x Komputerbay CF yet but to my understanding, the MK5D2 doesn't use exFat, does it?

The procedure I intended to perform is to use GPARTED (Linux) to format the whole 64 gigs FAT32 like how you do with
an external PS3 drive on a hacked PS3. Is this the way?

OH YEAH and does anyone know how low level the filesystem is? Could an additional filesystem be added?
It would rock if we could use a decent FS like EXT! That would totally fix the 4gb file limit as well.

Setting up cards incorrectly can most deffinantly cause bad speeds and/or corruption.

Oh and whoever was talking about not maxing out their 160mb speed card - I think the MK25D is limited to around 65mb
so it doesn't matter what card you throw in it, it will never do better than that.

But of course this won't matter once they get the 12 bit mode working and it won't require as much speed anymore!

EVERYONE KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR FIRST SIGN OF A BUILD OF THE NEW 10/12 MODE THAT'S PRECOMPILED FOR US! 8)
(I don't want to have to grab the dev kit and compile it myself as some are doing because I assume a precompiled one
will be popping up shortly plus probably be a better version anyhow. This stuff is so bleeding edge! I feel like doing cartwheels!)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Scogin on May 25, 2013, 01:57:58 AM
It does not sadly, it only works in FAT32. But a no limit record function has been implemented for the 5D2 it splits the recording into 3.7gig sections

Is the development of 10/12bit going well? Last time I checked it wasn't looking like a feasible option.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on May 25, 2013, 07:03:32 AM
scogin - When did they implement the file splitting for >4gig?

Why is the 10/12 bit thing not looking feasible? I thought they had some results already?
Just checked it out, sounds like they are up against a wall and begging for Tenacious D to help but he has gone?
I assume he is a dev who has helped a lot? Hopefully someone can figure it out. Looks like it works for a brief
time then cuts out like buffer is filling or something. It could very well simply be a bug they need to work out?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: disuye on May 25, 2013, 07:58:55 AM
I've just Googled fastest CF cards and these new Toshiba 1066x look amazing ...

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/toshiba-compact-flash-exceria-pro-150mbps/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/toshiba-compact-flash-exceria-pro-150mbps/)

With 150-160Mb/sec speeds ...

Thoughts anyone ?

Hi - I bought one of these, 64GB, last week and am very impressed. The price in Hong Kong was $290 USD so very reasonable given the specs.

I'm running it without any hitch on my old 5Dmk2. RAW performance seems to be limited by the camera though as I'm only getting 62-63MB/s write speeds in the camera (whereas in a CF card reader on the laptop it's hitting upwards ~140 MB/s).

From my limited but positive experiences so far, this card is recommended. If any of the devs / mods can point me towards a proper benchmark test I'd be happy to share results.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: xvince1 on May 25, 2013, 10:20:06 AM
With my mark 2 I can't manage a 3.0x bitrate speed even with my Komputer Bay 1000x, and if I'm not mistaken it was my card that topped the benchmark chart

Windows cannot format FAT32 past 32GB natively, for this I used a program called FAT32Formatter.exe, but regardless I never noticed any speed increases with any chunk allocations or partition alignment/offset

Maybe I'm wrong about cluster size, but I've done some test (formating in windows utility in exFAT) on my 128Gb 600x with cristaldiskmark, and with max cluster size, I got a wall perf around 20-30Mo/s, everything got better (60/70Mo/s) since I format the card with default cluster size (don't know the real size)... but I'm not sure . Maybe I forget something. But I have some creepy performance on the internal ML bench (20-30mo/S), and I do not really understand how to do correct allignement on the CF (the allignement is not good on the 2 Komputerbay)... As I follow the tutorial, but there are some point I don't understand (when creating partition, the utility say there's no free space to create a partition...)

But I'm very interessed by your stat regarding bitrate with a good x1000 CF (as I've said, I maxed 2.3x out with the x600)

Sorry for this noob aparté  :-[
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: alexunderboots on May 25, 2013, 11:09:41 AM
please tell me how to save the settings RAW module? after each on-off has to re-enter the parameters
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Northernlight on May 25, 2013, 01:48:31 PM
Hi, I have a 5D3, two 5D2's and a couple of Lexar 128GB 1000x Pro UDMA7, and a Sandik 128GB UDMA7 card.
I am sucessfully running full HD 1920x1080 24p/25p RAW video on my 5D3 using the Lexar Cards (30p stopping/dropping frames).

I wanted to test how well this worked on the 5D2, and as others have reported 1880x840 is maximum. I am able to record from 200-360 frames @23.976fps, and then it stops.

However, I managed to get some pretty good benchmark results on the 5D2 with the Lexar 1000x card (which currently is the fastest card available to mankind):

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.arcticlightphoto.no%2FLEXAR128_5D2_TEST.jpg&hash=8e491e77b381714576beb73639ba529f)

Strange that if the 5D2 and this card is capable of over 80MB/sec it should drop frames down at 60MB/s !??
Anyway, just thought I should share the results.

The benchmark using my Sandisk 128GB UDMA7 card was as expected slower, but still records just as good/long as the Lexar before dropping frames and stopping:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.arcticlightphoto.no%2FSANDISK128_TEST.jpg&hash=a3e891818392f3bd6ad625f60d6022e3)

Edit: Sorry, I just realized after reading through some more that benchmarks done in playback mode is not valid, and the benching was done in playback mode, not Liveview mode. Here are the results in Liveview mode:

5D2 + Lexar 128GB 1000x:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.arcticlightphoto.no%2FLEXAR128_5D2_TEST2.jpg&hash=7009cb1ffabc7715dc43eb9826acc3d8)

5D2 + Sandisk 128GB Pro:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.arcticlightphoto.no%2FSANDISK128_TEST2.jpg&hash=99fad0e85f8cbb1beab8adc3003d7290)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on May 25, 2013, 02:28:23 PM
Those benches are in playback mode with global draw on.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: NickRamey on May 25, 2013, 04:08:26 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffile%3A%2F%2Flocalhost%2FUsers%2Frob%2FDesktop%2FWedding%2FM0000000.jpg&hash=5a3830e2a4818a04b5f909529aed5bd9)

ALL I GET IS A FUZZY BLACK GRAINY SCREEN!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 25, 2013, 04:28:49 PM
I wanted to test how well this worked on the 5D2, and as others have reported 1880x840 is maximum. I am able to record from 200-360 frames @23.976fps, and then it stops.

So the 5D2 skips frames at 1880x840 even though the benchmark results are well above the write speed requirements? 69 MB/s should be plenty... Were you recording with global draw on at the time? If so, did you try recording without it?

Thanks for the results btw, I lets us 5D2 owners get an idea of what our limits are and what to look out for in terms of future upgrades. :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 25, 2013, 09:44:38 PM
Has anyone else noticed flickering between certain frames.

I'll get one frame every second or so that's like .05 stops brighter than the rest, or the whites only are .05 stops brigther or something.

Are their certain sliders in Lightroom that shouldn't be used for video because they create this kind of inconsistency?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pacman829 on May 25, 2013, 11:59:45 PM
This is also happening to me ,

Noticed it when i went out to test today


Also ... i noticed some clips where it seemed as though auto exp was coming on behind the scenes .. and dimming things once i got into a brighter situation (panning towards a window)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: No Def on May 26, 2013, 12:30:34 AM
I read in an earlier thread that there can be inconsistencies with LR.  Adobe Camera Raw is supposed to work better.  It's what I've used and that problem didn't pop up.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: sebble on May 26, 2013, 01:18:52 AM
Hey everyone,

pretty cool things going on here in the last couple days.
I'm totally new to ML Firmware and am really amazed by it's capabilities.

I still do have 3 essential questions:

1. Where can I download the latest ML RAW version for the 5D MKII? I'm running an older version from the first page of this thread.
Can someone post a link on where to get the latest version?

2. Where can I set custom video resolutions in the firmware? I only get 1280, 1320, 1880 (and the smaller ones) for example. But I saw people here posting about different sizes.

3. I use the raw2dng app on the Mac to generate the DNG files but on some files it just shows "Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file".
As I noticed that happens on files larger than 2GB in file size. What am I doing wrong?



I'm really looking forward to your answers.
Any help is deeply appreciated.

Thanks a lot so far!  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 26, 2013, 01:39:56 AM
I read in an earlier thread that there can be inconsistencies with LR.  Adobe Camera Raw is supposed to work better.  It's what I've used and that problem didn't pop up.

I don't know why I said Lightroom, I did the edits in Adobe Camera Raw. I know Lightroom disabled certain sliders when working directly with video, but I thought that was just highlights and shadows, which I didn't use, but I'm still getting some flickering.

More testing to be done I guess...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pacman829 on May 26, 2013, 06:33:20 AM
I'm using ACR too
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pacman829 on May 26, 2013, 07:28:10 AM
Also, just ran into another bug while trying to record raw with an external (Ikan VL5) Monitor hooked up to the 5d

The screenshot didnt capture the footage from liveview, but as you can see , the raw cropmarks/overlay is off to one side (panning is turned off) and when i try to play back the raw it doesnt work either  and freezes/crashes:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F20zy2o1.jpg&hash=ba196bb535ac30a5d93940580049d1b2)

When i disconnect the monitor and try to play back the footage all i get is raw "white noise"

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pacman829 on May 26, 2013, 07:42:54 AM
Anyone here get the dngs to work with premiere pro ?

I can use them fine in after effects , but they dont come up in premiere
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: domisol on May 26, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
No, ACR is not supposed to work better than LR.
LR uses ACR, results are absolutely identical.
DNG files are photos, so you have access to all sliders of course.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 26, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
No, ACR is not supposed to work better than LR.
LR uses ACR, results are absolutely identical.
DNG files are photos, so you have access to all sliders of course.

Here is a thread discussing these problems.

Preventing Color/Luma Shifting When Processing DNGs in Adobe Camera RAW
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5710.0
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yomommassis on May 26, 2013, 02:29:06 PM
Trying to find a practical use for the RAW video feature, The one that really pops out to me is the ability to do time lapses without having to add any shutter actuations to the camera


This test took 1 hour out behind my house, pretty dark aside from the full moon blasting the scene
5D Mark 2 May 20th build
640 ISO
T/1.5
FPS Override 0.178
RAW Video 1880x1250

I had to really adjust the color in post because the RAW kicked the magenta up a lot
Also had artifacts at the bottom of the frame

http://i.imgur.com/G1N6ya8.jpg

and there was this weird problem where every other frame was the first frame...
so instead of capturing 323 I actually captured 162

So I did a 162 frame time lapse without ever taking a picture ;]
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: X-RAY on May 26, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
@ Yomommassis
Looks nice. I also know the problem with every other frame = the first. Do you know at which settings this bug occurs?

Do you know wether its possible to have like a framerate of 1/sec but a shutter speed of 1/48 for instance?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Dunc101 on May 26, 2013, 04:29:26 PM
A little test for RAW vs h264:

might of got the upload settings wrong?

cheers
D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: 4135541355 on May 26, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
hi everyone
I have a Toshiba CF card 1066x , raw video mk5d2
test Results:
1880*800 4GB
1720*960 with about 2000 frame
1880*1054 with about 1000 frame

I think this is now the fastest card test results, cannot solve the 65m/s restriction conditions, may be temporarily can only use 1600*900 and 1880*800 format photographs, looking forward to 10, 12bit raw and Cfssd success!

PS: I'm a DaVinci resolve user, color by LR or Cr 7.1 DNG can restore the color, but the clip (raw)  cannot be adjusted

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: touchthebitum on May 26, 2013, 06:28:24 PM
Hello
Thanks
Great work!!
I have a question: I have the last version of Magic Lantern on my 5D MK2 (downloaded on http://www.magiclantern.fm/) and I 'd like to install the RAW function but I don't know if I have just to copy the last autoexec.bin on the card root folder ...
Thanks
Touch
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Redrocks on May 26, 2013, 07:16:41 PM
Hello
Thanks
Great work!!
I have a question: I have the last version of Magic Lantern on my 5D MK2 (downloaded on http://www.magiclantern.fm/) and I 'd like to install the RAW function but I don't know if I have just to copy the last autoexec.bin on the card root folder ...
Thanks
Touch

Go to first post:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0

and download:

raw_rec.mo
https://bitbucket.org/pravdomil/raw_rec.mo/downloads/raw_rec.mo

work with a.d.'s ML bff47c520033
https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/bff47c520033.zip


Move raw_rec.mo to the modules folder of bff47c520033 and copy the files to the root of your card.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: touchthebitum on May 26, 2013, 07:24:56 PM
Thanks!!!
Anothe great job
I'll try that  ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: RenatoPhoto on May 27, 2013, 03:15:03 AM
Hello
Thanks
Great work!!
I have a question: I have the last version of Magic Lantern on my 5D MK2 (downloaded on http://www.magiclantern.fm/) and I 'd like to install the RAW function but I don't know if I have just to copy the last autoexec.bin on the card root folder ...
Thanks
Touch

Please read:

RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide and FAQ -- READ FIRST
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0

There is an explanation of the files needed and the file structure of ML
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: powerpc on May 27, 2013, 06:22:06 AM
a small test

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: alexunderboots on May 27, 2013, 09:47:38 AM
TODO
please add continue-count to raw files after clear compactflash
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: alexunderboots on May 27, 2013, 10:46:26 AM
TODO
please add support for the ability to view not only of the last recorded video, but also the previous and shot before turning the camera

Preview sometimes suddenly broke off and pass away restart the camera. After this re-view the file no longer works
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 27, 2013, 08:33:51 PM
Has anyone noticed when filming raw that the picture changes exposure like when auto iso is on yet it isn`t?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 27, 2013, 10:09:35 PM
olik, check out this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5710
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: JulianH on May 27, 2013, 11:38:45 PM
Hey 5D II shooters. Need a cheap back up raw capable camera?
How about a 50D?  8)





Title: Delete feature on 5d2 build may 27 very risky
Post by: ted ramasola on May 28, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
I'm testing build may 27 for 5d2 and here is my observation so far.

The delete feature is a nice feature but currently it is very risky.

scenario:
Shoot several clips raw video, say clip 1 2, 3.
Go to ML menu>raw video menu>video file (this shows NO VIDEO FILE as default)
Click SET to show first clip, M0000000.RAW,
Say you want to delete 3rd clip so you turn the main scroll wheel to go to M0000003.RAW
then you ROLL down to select DELETE then press SET to delete video size but file remains but 0kb in size. This is ok for now, also note WAV file remains unchanged and not deleted.

But here is the risk,
While selection in still in DELETE if you happen to roll the TOP SCROLL WHEEL, the clips be DELETED 1 by 1. ! THIS IS RISKY as you think you are selecting the clips but in fact they are already deleted without warning.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: powerpc on May 28, 2013, 07:37:45 AM
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 28, 2013, 04:12:12 PM
Nice shots  ;) :)(powerpc).

But the compressor is killing it :(. For your videos what format and resolution do you finalise to?

I am not sure if its YouTube's compression that's killing it or the your finalising format. For example I have finalised to ProResHQ and ProResLT and the files are admittedly pretty big. Also the upload time has been pretty long. But I am not seeing any major compression artifacts.

You can see examples of my little RAW experiments (uploaded to YouTube) if you want to see what I am talking about.

I really feel that all the gains you have made in using RAW have been negated by this compression. I understand that YouTube is never going to be perfect as it will compress it but it is actually capable of some pretty clean video. It's unfortunate because I love the shots. :(
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on May 28, 2013, 04:19:38 PM
For YouTube you might as well just export your projects as H.264 mov, as their compression is going to screw you over either way ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 28, 2013, 04:22:34 PM
For YouTube you might as well just export your projects as H.264 mov, as their compression is going to screw you over either way ;)

I think that's debatable ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: powerpc on May 28, 2013, 04:57:47 PM
@megeye

Thank you! I am so happy that you like the shots

The original size is 1880x626  and 1920x640(5x corp), I use virtualDub convert the jpgs to avi, at that step, an 8s avi is 700mb. Then I use Pr to do the video, the output is h264 for Ipad, it is still 1920x1080, the size is 137mb for 3min video.

Could you please show me the link of your video; I would love to see that!

I am new to youtube and I found it is hard to control. When I watch the video, sometimes it gives me the high resolution, sometimes not. If you watch it on youtube and chose bigger video, it may become better.

I also uploaded it to vimeo, I post it here to see how it shows

Best regards


Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: powerpc on May 28, 2013, 05:16:20 PM
@PressureFM

The video is h264.

In fact I am new to youtube and I am learning, I found my final video is small in size, it is only 137mb for 3min. I will try more :P

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 28, 2013, 05:27:28 PM
OK First of all I am glad that you took my comments as 'constructive criticism' because that's exactly what they were. All I wanted was for you to be presenting your videos in the best possible light!

I want people to see the power of the 5DMKII and the beauty of RAW.

Anyway my conclusion about what's happening with your videos is that its a work flow thing. From what you are describing there I can see several stages of degradation. Using 'lossy' formats like JPG will not help. What you are doing is compressing and then re-compressing and then YouTube will add its own compression on that.

Try outputting your projects to ProRes. These are compressed formats (correct me if I am wrong) but they are very good formats to work with. In fact I am not sure if you will have the option of ProRes on the PC? But there are some which I forget the name of now. I just googled it and there is a link here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4020662 (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4020662) which discusses it a little.

Basically if you can render to a non compressed format (or 'non-lossy' compressed) that would give you the best quality. Also avoid h264 (after all that is what we have been battling against all the time with the EOS cameras!)

*.TIFF is a 'non-lossy' format. *.PNG is too (basically *.JPG is a sin here!)

The thing about some videos playing at different resolutions is that when you upload a video it takes YouTube some time to process the video properly for the full resolutions so when you check back later they should be able to play back fully.

Also I did play your videos in 1080p mode. I am trying to cover a lots of stuff here in this post but if you have any more questions I will try and help you if I can. :)

A couple of my videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pf9iib286Vs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pf9iib286Vs)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RBt9nvER--o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RBt9nvER--o)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: sennn on May 28, 2013, 05:29:59 PM
Hello guys!

I have a question about cards, currently I use a kingston ultimate 16 gb 600x, which gives me about 22mb/s write speed, therefore i can only record about 80-100 frames in 1880x710 which is to be honest not a lot, so I'm looking for a new card to buy.
Sadly I live in hungary so I have access to Lexar 1000x cards which would the perfect choise, and even the smaller ones cost 2-3x price of the USD price (the 16 gb 600x ones cost about 300$).
I'm currently looking at the sandisk 16 gb extreme pro 90mb/s which I have seen a lot of you are using and the silicon power 1000x 16 gb, which I have no benchmarks but in theory it's udma 7 with 150mb/s.
Which would be the better choise, or what could i get in the same price range?
Thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 28, 2013, 06:04:22 PM
Also (powerpc) I found this ...

I would definately advise rendering to ProRes from perhaps a Quicktime mov file (it's all very 'Mac' but it does work!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlc-7V9MSs&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlc-7V9MSs&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 28, 2013, 07:21:12 PM
The file splitting implementation on the latest build corrupts frames after about 1600 or so, presumably where the split occurs. edit: oops, meant to post this in the 5D2 builds thread.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on May 28, 2013, 08:22:19 PM
What kind of corruption?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: moomilk on May 28, 2013, 08:35:59 PM
Hello guys!

I have a question about cards, currently I use a kingston ultimate 16 gb 600x, which gives me about 22mb/s write speed, therefore i can only record about 80-100 frames in 1880x710 which is to be honest not a lot, so I'm looking for a new card to buy.
Sadly I live in hungary so I have access to Lexar 1000x cards which would the perfect choise, and even the smaller ones cost 2-3x price of the USD price (the 16 gb 600x ones cost about 300$).
I'm currently looking at the sandisk 16 gb extreme pro 90mb/s which I have seen a lot of you are using and the silicon power 1000x 16 gb, which I have no benchmarks but in theory it's udma 7 with 150mb/s.
Which would be the better choise, or what could i get in the same price range?
Thanks

I would suggest looking at 32Gb cards, as most 16Gbs tends to be slower.
I'm also thinking about getting fast CF right now and best bets seem to be Transcend 1000x 32Gb or Komputerbay 1000x 64Gb (btw both are available on eBay)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 28, 2013, 08:49:05 PM
What kind of corruption?

Lots of pink noise on some sections, noise/discoloration and vertical lines in others. I'll get some examples up in a bit. Gotta re-join/extract the frames again.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: sennn on May 28, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
I would suggest looking at 32Gb cards, as most 16Gbs tends to be slower.
I'm also thinking about getting fast CF right now and best bets seem to be Transcend 1000x 32Gb or Komputerbay 1000x 64Gb (btw both are available on eBay)
Thanks, I guess it's time to start saving up then. :/
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: powerpc on May 29, 2013, 02:07:14 AM
@mageye

You realy did very nice videos, quite clear.

I do have MAC, but I used to use PC, I will figur out the way you suggested. Many thinks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noix222 on May 29, 2013, 03:17:58 AM
@powerpc

the best workflow to me on a mac:

i process the raw file with raw2dng ... open After Effects import file as adobe camera raw sequence ... then simply export comp as proress4444... bum!  8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 29, 2013, 04:19:49 AM
Hey folks,

I thought to open a specific topic for all discussions related to raw video on the 5dmk2.

Build 21 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads)
Build 20 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads)
Build 19 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/a75c4a74d4b9.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/a75c4a74d4b9.zip)
Build 17 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/dd53ca8bbeab.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/dd53ca8bbeab.zip)
Build 16 Mai (updated) by forum member "a.d." https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip)
Build 15 Mai by forum member "d" https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgb2UtVE1SUy0yeTQ/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgb2UtVE1SUy0yeTQ/edit?usp=sharing)


Here is an easy guide on how to shoot raw with the 5dmk2 by forum member "CrewOfOne"  http://5dfilmmaking.com/?p=62 (http://5dfilmmaking.com/?p=62)

Here are some of my resolution tests:

SanDisk 16GB Extreme Pro 600x
Magic lantern Build 16Mai 17:14

1440x840@25 =  until 4GB limit                  50,7MB/sec
1644x900@25 = 1683 frames                     56,3MB /sec
1738x840@25 = 423 frames                        57.1MB/sec
1880x720@25 = 1531 frames (regression)   57,3MB/sec
1880x768@25 = 867 frames                        58,4MB/ sec
1880x840@25 = 213 frames                    ca 58,6MB/sec



Thanks
Oli

Maybe I am just missing it, but where are the newer versions of this? Thanks by the way for posting these up. I am hearing A.D. is creating newer builds but can't find them...any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 29, 2013, 04:22:48 AM
It is over here. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.0
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 29, 2013, 04:28:55 AM
It is over here. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.0

Thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: powerpc on May 29, 2013, 05:46:49 AM
@ noix222--- Very cooooooooooool way!!!

I just tried, it is so eficient, I will look into it and thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: olik on May 29, 2013, 10:26:43 AM
Maybe I am just missing it, but where are the newer versions of this? Thanks by the way for posting these up. I am hearing A.D. is creating newer builds but can't find them...any help appreciated.

He is putting them always on the same link, so any of A.d. link should bring you do his latest stuff.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Clemens on May 29, 2013, 10:55:09 AM
Jipppiehhh, it's working fine for me on me 5D Mark II - I'm so happy. Just ordered a new CF Card. This is really revolutionary.
My workflow so far it using After Effects CS6, and that really worked out great, and I did not have any Crashes.
Only problem i had so far is, that sometimes, when the recording crashes, Raw2dng doesn't recognize the Raw file.
So will there be the possibility for only 12Bit Recording for the MKII, so that I can record in higher resolutions? Or perhaps the Ability to do 1080p in 14Bit? What's the Bottleneck there - is the card slot to slow?
Greets
Clemens
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Yoshiyuki Blade on May 29, 2013, 08:12:22 PM
The file splitting implementation on the latest build corrupts frames after about 1600 or so, presumably where the split occurs.

Update: The latest build (from commit 9eaa84d...) by a.d. seems to have fixed the issue. I recorded till my 16 GB card maxed and it looks good all the way through.  Well, except for the last few dozen alternating frames, but it's always done that. Thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: NitromanX on May 30, 2013, 01:21:08 AM
I'm asking the same question Clemens - What bit depth will be possible with 5D2 and full 1920 x 1080 ?

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but this article seems to suggest very little difference between 12 bit colour and 14 bit colour.

http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/nikon-d300-d3-14-bit-versus-12-bit.html (http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/nikon-d300-d3-14-bit-versus-12-bit.html)

I'd think i'd be happy with just 12bit 25fps on my 5D2 if it can shoot full HD - or is 1880 pixels the widest it can go ? All this info is such a lot to get your teeth in to  ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on May 30, 2013, 02:35:41 AM
@NitromanX

That's an interesting article. What I make of it is that if you want to pull detail out of the shadows then 14-bit (or higher) will be much better than 12-bit. So if you have a habit of under exposing (so as not to clip the highlights) then 14-bit really is your friend.

However if you are in pretty good light, are not likely to clip, and you are not going to push things too much in post (basically getting the best exposure when you shoot); then it would be quite a feasible option to record in 12-bit.

I think anyone who is disciplined and has had to work with the limitations of H264 on the 5DMKII (or other EOS cameras) should already be acutely aware of how important getting the very best exposure is.

Of course the gain in speed and resolution that 12bit could bring is certainly an exciting prospect and I hope that there is a development and one day we have an option to select the bit resolution.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 30, 2013, 04:18:24 AM
I'm asking the same question Clemens - What bit depth will be possible with 5D2 and full 1920 x 1080 ?

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but this article seems to suggest very little difference between 12 bit colour and 14 bit colour.

http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/nikon-d300-d3-14-bit-versus-12-bit.html (http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/nikon-d300-d3-14-bit-versus-12-bit.html)

I'd think i'd be happy with just 12bit 25fps on my 5D2 if it can shoot full HD - or is 1880 pixels the widest it can go ? All this info is such a lot to get your teeth in to  ;D

If we can get 12-bit or 10-bit working, then we should be able to record 1880x1080 with no dropped frames, and an unnoticeable difference in image quality.

The 5D Mark II can't do 1920 because of hardware limitations. Even the 1920 available with the stock firmware and h264 is upscaled from 1880, as that is what gets output in RAW form.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: NitromanX on May 30, 2013, 07:41:24 AM
@ Mageye and Haysuess - Thanks for confirming what i thought. So the 'native' output for 5D2 is 1880 pixels wide ...

Does that mean the perfect recording size would be 1880 x 1058 (or something) to make 16:9 ?

I'm guessing this would be possible at 12 bit if 14 bit proves to be too high for the 5D2 hardware ?

Just to recap ... the 5D2 is limited to 65mb/s by the hardware not just by the CF card speeds ?

Is 14 bit 25fps 1880 x 1058 likely to be achieved with Magic Lantern sometime soon ? Or am i gonna need to upgrade to the 5D3  ? :(

This Magic Lantern Raw Recording is all quite incredible ... It breathes new life into my 5D2 and somewhat over shadows yesterday's news for Canon 1DC owners of 25fps at 4K. I'm guessing my 5D2 will be almost as good a quality if it eventually shoots raw at 14 bit 1080p 25fps.  ;D

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/05/feature-upgrade-for-the-eos-1d-c/

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on May 30, 2013, 09:44:35 AM
Hi there!

Is somebody trying to shoot with an EVF or monitor? I'm having a little problem, the white frame is all pushed to the link side of the screen. Nothing too bad, but I don't know if there's a way to have it right in the center of the screen.

And something else: I found out that most of the time there's is too much sharpness in the edges, and it's something weird. I don't think it can depends on a picture style, and I tried to play with sharpness in Camera raw, but it's like a sort of micro-blocking sharpness. Something I found useful is using a fast blur of about 0,5. It's funny that before RAW video we where always using unsharpening mask, and now the sharpness is too much!

Do you think it's caused by the resolution(1720x732 image on an 27" iMac screen?)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 30, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Yes, 1880 x 1058 would be 16:9. I would actually prefer to record 1880x1080 (which I've been doing) for a little more latitude in editing.

I can get about 12 seconds at 1880x1080 at 24fps. With 10 or 12-bit and some more optimizations, I can see 1880x1080 at 24fps being available for perpetual recording, but yes, the 5D Mark II is limited to around 65MB/sec by hardware, not CF speeds.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ch_d on May 30, 2013, 08:35:25 PM
Yes, 1880 x 1058 would be 16:9. I would actually prefer to record 1880x1080 (which I've been doing) for a little more latitude in editing.

I can get about 12 seconds at 1880x1080 at 24fps. With 10 or 12-bit and some more optimizations, I can see 1880x1080 at 24fps being available for perpetual recording, but yes, the 5D Mark II is limited to around 65MB/sec by hardware, not CF speeds.

How do you record with 10 or 12 bit with the 5DMII?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Davidos on May 30, 2013, 09:32:22 PM
How do you record with 10 or 12 bit with the 5DMII?

You can't atm.... It's still in development. More info here.... http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5601.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5601.0)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Clemens on May 31, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
The 5D Mark II can't do 1920 because of hardware limitations. Even the 1920 available with the stock firmware and h264 is upscaled from 1880, as that is what gets output in RAW form.
Thx for this information... didn't know this so far.
Hopefully my Lexar 1000x card will arrive today. I want to shoot some green screen tests with - let's say "not perfect green screen enviroment" and hope it will increase the quality to key it better.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Raelic on May 31, 2013, 05:29:17 PM
Anyone notice (from May 28th build) when shooting with no magnification/crop a black bar on the right side of their raw/dng files? This may be a known issue, but I seem to recall this in very early builds only .. and thought it was fixed after (could be wrong). I was using the 2.35:1 option at 1880 horizontal. Card used is Sandisk extreme Pro (90MBs) 32gb. I do not get the bar oddly enough when I go into the crop/magnified zoom shooting for raw recording. Kind of frustrating being the shots zoomed in do not have this so switching  between shots from the two is noticeable.

Another item I found may not be known... something intriguing...I happened to try a macro lens (100mm 2.8) in a shot with magnification/crop on and placed the camera on a table where I found something rather odd. Is our video taken in an even odd pixel method (almost like interlaced)? The video shifts up and down every other frame (even and odd) when focusing on close objects (ex the table top in this case)... this was with the camera sitting on a static object. I probably would not have noticed had I not tried to shoot something so close to the lens.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Guilo on May 31, 2013, 10:25:27 PM
The 5D Mark II can't do 1920 because of hardware limitations. Even the 1920 available with the stock firmware and h264 is upscaled from 1880, as that is what gets output in RAW form.

Just to confirm - H264 on 5D2 is not true 1920?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: haysuess on May 31, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
It is upscaled from 1880, so no, it is not.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: seanturco on May 31, 2013, 11:32:45 PM
I did a raw video, and after returning to normal shoot ( I mean photography ), I had hot pixel..

Is it normal ?
I'm sorry its off topic and I don't speak very well in english.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on June 01, 2013, 12:50:03 AM
For anyone who is bored. I wanted to see if longer 'demonstration' videos could be done. 5DMKII over 2 minutes (joined RAW files with 'cat' command from the terminal on Mac). Also the sound was synced using a 4channel modified ZoomH2 recorder using traditional clapper board. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yuqzuPALsHg
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: seanturco on June 01, 2013, 08:52:38 AM
Nice modified monotron ! The Cv is used for the midi sequence ? Can you use the Cv input for other control ( lfo? filter ? )
Someone can help me ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on June 01, 2013, 09:15:13 AM
For anyone who is bored. I wanted to see if longer 'demonstration' videos could be done. 5DMKII over 2 minutes (joined RAW files with 'cat' command from the terminal on Mac). Also the sound was synced using a 4channel modified ZoomH2 recorder using traditional clapper board. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yuqzuPALsHg

Can you simply explain what you have done? Because I upgraded to the 31st may build and I did a 5Gb long video(split in two), but now I'm not able to join them. And when I try to convert the RAW file it gives me an error!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: austinmarti on June 01, 2013, 09:48:59 AM
Can you simply explain what you have done? Because I upgraded to the 31st may build and I did a 5Gb long video(split in two), but now I'm not able to join them. And when I try to convert the RAW file it gives me an error!
I am using Mac OS X and can successfully join RAW files and convert to DNG.

Are you on Mac as well?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on June 01, 2013, 09:56:55 AM
I am using Mac OS X and can successfully join RAW files and convert to DNG.

Are you on Mac as well?

Yes, I'm on Mac.
I don't understand the workflow behind this. You join the two pieces and the it becomes a single raw file and you convert in in raw2dng? If yes, how do you do it? ::)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Nachelsoul on June 01, 2013, 11:30:42 AM
test of A.D. build and Pravdomil rec_module. Glad with the results, especially with the Pravdomil module, good work pals.
I think the 5D2 can fight with the MarkIII.  :)
Thanks again to A1ex & Cia. Please Donate button!!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on June 01, 2013, 04:24:49 PM
So many questions ...

OK

@avasarin go to this post and everything you need to do the bigger video files is there. Essentially to join the separate files you use the 'cat' command from terminal. Don't doubt it it just works! However the version of raw2dng that was suggested didn't work for some reason? (I am on OSX10.8.3) I used the raw2dng.app (GUI) v0.50 rather than the v0.10.

go here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5655.0)

@seanturco

As for questions relating to control voltages and LFO, I am not so sure this is the place for it ;). But I will let you know that the modification allows you to switch between filter and pitch control. As of yet there is no way of synchronising (or CV triggering) the LFO. That's a shame!

Anyway thanks ;D


BTW there are links in the description on the video
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ondowan on June 01, 2013, 11:12:52 PM
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: austinmarti on June 02, 2013, 06:59:43 AM
Yes, I'm on Mac.
I don't understand the workflow behind this. You join the two pieces and the it becomes a single raw file and you convert in in raw2dng? If yes, how do you do it? ::)
Are you successfully joining the files?

As in:

cat M0000001.RAW M0000001.RAW002 > Output.RAW

Then drag Output.RAW into raw2dng.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on June 02, 2013, 12:48:42 PM
Yes, now I can join the files, but it gives me the "lv_rec..." error, and I don't have the time to compile with an hex editor the files.  8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on June 02, 2013, 02:20:21 PM
Yes, now I can join the files, but it gives me the "lv_rec..." error, and I don't have the time to compile with an hex editor the files.  8)

I am assuming that you are getting the 'Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file' error.

I get this if I use the raw2dng.app.0.10. If I use the raw2dng.app.0.5 it will work. Try it. ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Chan875 on June 02, 2013, 06:11:47 PM
What's the best resolution capable with a 32gb sandisk 600x CF on the mark ii?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on June 02, 2013, 07:33:18 PM
I finally managed to get my first real world project done in RAW (just in time cause my dogs were getting really tired of me following them around with the camera ever since the silent pics RAW burst mode came out) thanks to all the Developers, donation is on the way as soon as we get the paycheck!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: noisyboy on June 02, 2013, 08:10:38 PM
I finally managed to get my first real world project done in RAW (just in time cause my dogs were getting really tired of me following them around with the camera ever since the silent pics RAW burst mode came out) thanks to all the Developers, donation is on the way as soon as we get the paycheck!

Horray! A video that is of something other than moss ;) This is stunning dude well done. As is the rest of your work! What res did you  shoot this with by the way? Nice to see you don't have such a massive deal with moire and aliasing with this. Yeah it's there in places but the water and sand for example I would expect to be horrific!

Ps. You ever need a hand shooting dream villas - you got my number right? ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: makomoulage on June 03, 2013, 05:09:47 AM
Hi everyone.

Sorry i can't embed this video as I'm writing this message from my phone.
So if you don't mind , I'd like to have your opinion about this video i shot in Manhattan:
https://vimeo.com/m/67404752

I'm amazed by all the videos i see from others, with no visible aliasing issue, while i do have loads of them.
Is there anything in the settings I'm having wrong?

Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2 - Noise test
Post by: cassianog on June 03, 2013, 05:34:58 AM
I want to tanks all the developers and suporters... the raw video in 5DM2 it´s really amazing.

That´s a simple test with a Canon 5D Mark II.
I just did 3 shots in low light conditions from my window.
All videos shot with 24-105 Canon - F4.0. Shutter Speed 50. ISO H1. Recorded in a CF Sandisk 16 GB 60 MB/S.
Shooting:
First Video in H.264 - size 1920 x 1080
Second using ML RAW, 16 FPS (FPS override) and
converted to 24 FPS with Quick Time 7 - size 1880 x 1058.
Last video using also ML RAW, but with 25 FPS - size 1440 x 810 (upgrade to 1920 x 1080 in the final video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PVTER5OUSAE

"Youtube tells me it's private."

Is not anymore private!  :)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on June 03, 2013, 07:28:28 AM
I want to tanks all the developers and suporters... the raw video in 5DM2 it´s really amazing.

That´s a simple test with a Canon 5D Mark II.
I just did 3 shots in low light conditions from my window.
All videos shot with 24-105 Canon - F4.0. Shutter Speed 50. ISO H1. Recorded in a CF Sandisk 16 GB 60 MB/S.
Shooting:
First Video in H.264 - size 1920 x 1080
Second using ML RAW, 16 FPS (FPS override) and
converted to 24 FPS with Quick Time 7 - size 1880 x 1058.
Last video using also ML RAW, but with 25 FPS - size 1440 x 810 (upgrade to 1920 x 1080 in the final video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PVTER5OUSAE


Youtube tells me it's private.

I finally managed to get my first real world project done in RAW
Well done! Just to know, how have you expose for the sun and sky? Have you over- or underexpose to get it right?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cassianog on June 03, 2013, 09:20:17 AM
Not more private:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PVTER5OUSAE
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: avasarin on June 03, 2013, 09:22:59 AM
I am assuming that you are getting the 'Error: This ain't a lv_rec RAW file' error.

I get this if I use the raw2dng.app.0.10. If I use the raw2dng.app.0.5 it will work. Try it. ;)
Thank you, version 0.5 works properly. Now I pushed my tests a bit far, I recorded a full 16Gb CF card with a 1880x800 RAW capture. The recording looks fine, no errors or dropped frames.
I used a 16Gb Extreme pro Sandisk card, with Global drawn OFF, and I changed the photo mode to the lowest quality S 5.2Mb, Raw off.

Now I'm joining all the files and I'll see the results in AE. If this works fine, well... :D :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on June 03, 2013, 09:56:11 AM
Well done! Just to know, how have you expose for the sun and sky? Have you over- or underexpose to get it right?
Thanks! Not in this case; that shot was simply shot right at the sun, what you see is the full dynamic Range the DNG's provide, we only used the ISO shifting over / under exposure (HDR video) function for the bath tub scene.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on June 03, 2013, 10:06:14 AM
Horray! A video that is of something other than moss ;) This is stunning dude well done. As is the rest of your work! What res did you  shoot this with by the way? Nice to see you don't have such a massive deal with moire and aliasing with this. Yeah it's there in places but the water and sand for example I would expect to be horrific!

Ps. You ever need a hand shooting dream villas - you got my number right? ;)
Thanks a lot, feels really good to hear that! I mostly shot it in 1720 at 2.35:1 aspect ratio, some shorter scenes at 1880x800 (my card doesn't hold up for long at this res., probably no more then 400 frames, for now it is just more 'comfortable' to shoot at 1720...) The moire is there, in some scenes I used the moire filter in ACR, applied it to the entire image and imported two layers, one with moire and one without and then masked only the affected parts, key-framing the mask later in order to animate it... not ideal but it is a workaround. The weird thing is that the moire didn't appear as much in the areas I actually expected it to be, but rather in some irregular patterns like the foliage of trees, etc...
Unexpectedly I found the aliasing a more sever issue to deal with, I had to discard a scene that had a power line running through the sky, it really looked like coming out of a video game from the 80s... completely unfix-able!
Ps.: if you ever happen to hang around East Africa, give me a shout and consider it a deal!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mihaii on June 03, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
What is the best performance / price ratio for a CF to use RAW?
I saw that the alternatives are Lexar 1000x, Toshiba 1066x, Komputerbay 1000x, Transcend 1000x, Sandisk 60 or 90MBps

Since 5D2 hardware is limited at about 65MB/second there's no point in getting a Lexar or a Toshiba.
What would be the next best thing to use raw with this ones?

Thanks,
MIhai

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mvejerslev on June 03, 2013, 05:46:56 PM
I use a sandisk extreme pro 90MB/s 32GB card. It does 1880x800, but not much above that. The 90MB/s is just marketing speak. It writes about 60MB/s.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: makomoulage on June 03, 2013, 06:44:53 PM

Hi there,
I'd be grateful if someone could explain me why I do have so much aliasing visible ?
Thank you



Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on June 03, 2013, 07:13:24 PM
You focused it better? :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mhimhi on June 03, 2013, 07:19:25 PM
Hello!! Does anybody knows how to set the resolution? Because my sandisk @60mbs can't do 1880x800. Shall i dowloads another one? thanks! :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: NitromanX on June 03, 2013, 09:34:41 PM
@ makomoulage

I don't think the aliasing is at all bad on that clip ! It's a 5D2 and the camera is prone to some moire / aliasing.

I think the raw footage is incredibly sharp which can make aliasing more apparent. However, I see aliasing and moire on tv all the time ... most of my clients don't even know it's a problem most of the time.  ;D

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: leo on June 04, 2013, 01:57:47 AM
Hey everyone, I'm new here. I tried to install the Magic Lantern firmware, however, I keep on getting this message "Memory card containing firmware is required to update" any clue about this? I would really appreciate all the help. I follow the instructions from http://5dfilmmaking.com/05/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-5d2/ (http://5dfilmmaking.com/05/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-5d2/)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on June 04, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
What is the best performance / price ratio for a CF to use RAW?
I saw that the alternatives are Lexar 1000x, Toshiba 1066x, Komputerbay 1000x, Transcend 1000x, Sandisk 60 or 90MBps

Since 5D2 hardware is limited at about 65MB/second there's no point in getting a Lexar or a Toshiba.
What would be the next best thing to use raw with this ones?

Thanks,
MIhai

There really isn't a alternatives to the Lexar 1000x card right now ,
even with the limitations of the 5D2 @ 65 MB/s
you will never get full Res. with anythink else.
Because it's  Always Better to have too much Than Not Enough.
I have seen read write speed on a 5D2 in the range of 60 to 75 MB/s :o
I use Lexar 1000x 32 GB card & i can get 1880x854 24p@ 65.3 MB/s
on full card record with only 1 buffer Star! & no frame drop
With Memory you Pay for what you get! Alway buy the best card money can buy 
because you only have one chance to capture that moment  :) 
here is a sample of that recording.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on June 07, 2013, 04:26:53 AM
Hello All  :)
With the 5D mark ii
i was interested to see how good the Raw DNG image is, in term of scalable.
So i took 1880x854 24p DNG file import to photoshop and upscaded to 4096 x 1861
maintained the 240 dpi, 16 bit tiff, Basic White Balance & Color Correction

when you play the video in the small screen you will notice moire & aliasing
But thats only in the small player go to full screen and there is no
moire & aliasing.
The Original file on the image quality tab is the 4K mp4 i uploaded .
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: sennn on June 07, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Finally got around and bought a 1000x card so here is a small test shooting some flood scenes in Budapest.


Everything was done in after effects + camera raw when importing the sequances, I still need to figure out a lot of things with this workflow but so far I'm happy with the results.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mihaii on June 07, 2013, 07:34:19 PM
sennn, what card did you bought? how many frames can you get in different resolutions?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: sennn on June 07, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
sennn, what card did you bought? how many frames can you get in different resolutions?
Transcend 32 GB 1000x, at 1880x800 I can record until the card fills without skipping frames (or atleast assuming, never recorded that long yet, but buffer is max 3-4 stars even after 2500 frames) at 1880x1050 i can get around 200-220 with the jpeg quality buffer size change, about 160 with raw. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: holmesks on June 08, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
Removed post - sorry found entry in Movie menu!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mhimhi on June 08, 2013, 04:39:43 PM
Hello!! Does anybody knows if recording croppedd on 5dmk2 gives a lost quality? Seems to me yes... On 5dmk3 it says not..
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on June 09, 2013, 03:18:16 AM
i can get around 200-220 with the jpeg quality buffer size change, about 160 with raw.
I'm a total noob. What is this buffer size change?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Will@Elevate on June 09, 2013, 10:18:02 AM
Thanks a lot, feels really good to hear that! I mostly shot it in 1720 at 2.35:1 aspect ratio, some shorter scenes at 1880x800 (my card doesn't hold up for long at this res., probably no more then 400 frames, for now it is just more 'comfortable' to shoot at 1720...) The moire is there, in some scenes I used the moire filter in ACR, applied it to the entire image and imported two layers, one with moire and one without and then masked only the affected parts, key-framing the mask later in order to animate it... not ideal but it is a workaround. The weird thing is that the moire didn't appear as much in the areas I actually expected it to be, but rather in some irregular patterns like the foliage of trees, etc...
Unexpectedly I found the aliasing a more sever issue to deal with, I had to discard a scene that had a power line running through the sky, it really looked like coming out of a video game from the 80s... completely unfix-able!
Ps.: if you ever happen to hang around East Africa, give me a shout and consider it a deal!

beautiful work there africashot, well done!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on June 09, 2013, 10:51:56 AM
beautiful work there africashot, well done!
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pholler on June 09, 2013, 11:36:57 AM
The latest build from a.d. (Jun 08) is amazing! The achievable writing speed on my Sandisk Extreme increased by 20% (40 MB/s -> 48 MB/s). This is a big step! I am looking forward to test this new build with a Lexar 1000x in the next days. It looks like 1880x1250 or 1880x1058 seems to get in reach on the 5D2.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: sennn on June 09, 2013, 04:22:32 PM
I'm a total noob. What is this buffer size change?
If you change the photo quality to jpeg s from raw you get more buffer "space", therefore you can record a little bit longer.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on June 09, 2013, 05:00:24 PM
If you change the photo quality to jpeg s from raw you get more buffer "space", therefore you can record a little bit longer.

OK thanks! And this doesn't affect the quality? Do you know why this works? :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on June 09, 2013, 05:57:03 PM
OK thanks! And this doesn't affect the quality? Do you know why this works? :)
It doesn't, for some reason the canon firmware frees more buffer memory when in jpg mode, the recorded DNG stream is the same no matter what mode you are in, you are just going to get more of it when set to jpeg
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on June 10, 2013, 09:23:46 AM
Greetings everyone! I'm finally getting my 1000x Komputerbay CF card and USB 3.0 CF adapter tomorrow!

I understand there has been progress since I last checked in, sometimes newer builds are actually worse, etc.

Was wondering, what is the fastest/best build and RAW_REC plugin versions to get right now?

Has any progress happened with the 10/12 bit modes?

I have anamorphic lens and would like to experiment with raw anamorphic recording with best quality/settings currently possible.

Thanks!

P.S. - REDDEERCITY - You say you can't get better than Lexar 1000x CF, even considering the 65MB/s limit.
I understand the Komputerbay 1000x CFs fluctuate in quality but even the worst is supposed to do at least 90MB.
How can anything that reads/writes > 65MB/s be any different than anything else that reads/writes > 65MB/s?
Wouldn't they all top out at 65MB/s anyhow and therefore any additional bandwidth the card has over that not matter?
I recall other people using the Komputerbay 1000x CF cards and being quite pleased, this is why I purchased one.
(And should have it tomorrow!) Thanks in advance for the help! Hope I bought the right thing!

I will post benchmarks if people want me to, just tell me the proper settings!
(I remember some people have had a setting incorrect and it gave higher benchmarks than were true.)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cassianog on June 11, 2013, 12:34:55 AM
More test in 5D M2

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: cosmo.lv on June 12, 2013, 11:07:02 AM
5D Mark II RAW video tests, just random summer shots...

Title: Files not on card!
Post by: SaltPro on June 12, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
I don't get how to deal with RAW in post. On a previous build the DNG's were right on my card, click and drag into PS and grade, export as tiff and image sequence into premiere. With this latest build - the files aren't on my card... where are they? how do i get to them?
Title: Re: Files not on card!
Post by: eatstoomuchjam on June 13, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
I don't get how to deal with RAW in post. On a previous build the DNG's were right on my card, click and drag into PS and grade, export as tiff and image sequence into premiere. With this latest build - the files aren't on my card... where are they? how do i get to them?

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0
Title: Re: Files not on card!
Post by: SaltPro on June 13, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5654.0

thx, disregard
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Mati on June 21, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: DAK29 on June 21, 2013, 11:56:02 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6662

Anyone know anything about what this guy is posting? Will this increase frame rate of 5d2?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: fabiorocker on June 22, 2013, 12:47:34 AM
Hi, I have installed the last version of ml, but i cant find the delete function of the raw clip. There were In a older version but i can see it in this one, where is it?
Sorry for my english :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 22, 2013, 01:19:04 AM
Hi, I have installed the last version of ml, but i cant find the delete function of the raw clip. There were In a older version but i can see it in this one, where is it?
Sorry for my english :)

file browser
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: fatpig on June 22, 2013, 01:20:56 AM
@DAK29:

this has been implemented in 5D2 Build of 06-21.
It gets you more frames total. Not the FPS are higher.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guentergunter on June 29, 2013, 06:21:00 PM
I recently made a short comparissons between H.264 and RAW; combined with the VAF from mosaic engineering.

I just wanted to know if the VAF still does it's job right with raw.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
I recently made a short comparissons between H.264 and RAW; combined with the VAF from mosaic engineering.

I just wanted to know if the VAF still does it's job right with raw.


yes it does at 1x. Not so at 3x crop mode.

So for 1x use VAF. when in crop mode, its recommended to remove VAF. The image with vaf in crop mode is still useful in some situations. But its not ideal.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guentergunter on June 29, 2013, 10:33:22 PM
yes it does at 1x. Not so at 3x crop mode.

So for 1x use VAF. when in crop mode, its recommended to remove VAF. The image with vaf in crop mode is still useful in some situations. But its not ideal.
I'll make another comparison covering the crop modes.

But: I can only access 5x and 10x crop modes. How do I get 3x?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on June 29, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
I'll make another comparison covering the crop modes.

But: I can only access 5x and 10x crop modes. How do I get 3x?

to be clear, 3X crop mode is done by pressing 5x magnify. 10x magnify is for focus confirmation only and will not give you higher crop.
Pressing record while at 10x magnify will still give you 3x crop.

There is no such thing as 5x or 10 x crop mode. Heres my tests done before.


Note that my labels in the video is also wrong saying its 5X crop. It should have been 3X crop using 5x magnify button.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guentergunter on June 30, 2013, 12:34:45 AM
to be clear, 3X crop mode is done by pressing 5x magnify. 10x magnify is for focus confirmation only and will not give you higher crop.
Pressing record while at 10x magnify will still give you 3x crop.
OK, I got it!

Heres my tests done before.
Great! Also the takes are very short, I can clearly see, that the VAF doesn't make sense in 3x crop - as I expected. Since it's just designed to blur 1080p over the full sensor size. When cropping, the resolution crops, too.

The remaining question is: What looks better? 1x with VAF or 3x without... (Irregardless the loss of wide angles in crop mode)
We'll see ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 12, 2013, 09:11:43 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on July 13, 2013, 07:35:12 AM
Hi guys,

What kind of workflow are you using in post?
I'm on a iMac and use Rawmagic and after effects. But i'm curious about what else is out there.
Ive been trying to work with DaVinci Resolve but it just isn't what I'm looking for (as far as my knowledge of the software goes)...
When working with DaVinci I immediately start to miss all the options Camera Raw...

Is someone familiar with with both software who can convince me other wise? Because I read a lot of good things about DaVinci Resolve so I'm a bit confused right now...

And what workflow do you guys use?
:D
 DNGs>Photoshop>Adjust- Hi-light recover etc..or
 Camera Profile\LUT> Tiff> After Effect > PreGrade Or Apply LUT > ProRes4444> Edit  > Final Cut Pro X
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: splurj on July 15, 2013, 11:09:26 AM
Hi,

Can you help to clarify a few things about shooting RAW video on the 5DII, I've been searching around and I thinks it's best that I just get all the answers in need from here.

Firstly, I've installed ML successfully on my 5DII but I can't find an option to select RAW anywhere in the menu, or info in the instructions on how to set it up, can anyone tell me please?

Shooting in RAW means that you can shoot video in a resolution of 2040 x 1428, is that correct?

I've noticed that it's been referred to as RAW DNG, does that mean that it saves your footage as an image sequence rather than a MOV file?

If anyone can help me get up and running with RAW video I'd be very grateful and I'm sure I'll have some more questions on the topic very soon :)

Thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Redrocks on July 15, 2013, 02:07:48 PM
@splurj

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.0

http://cdn.bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads/5D2_Alpha_One.pdf
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 17, 2013, 08:30:44 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 18, 2013, 07:05:33 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 18, 2013, 07:31:49 PM
Here's a raw video I filmed with my Canon 5D Mark II:

I filmed this two weeks ago while I was on a holiday in Kenya. This was my first time filming raw, read about it 2 days before I left.
My first time really working with Magic lantern as well.

- I feel like youtube isn't doing the video justice, most parts are so much better quality on my computer...

In my experiences of using Youtube it will allow the video to choose a quality setting based on the resolution of the clip uploaded (obviously). The important part is is that if you shoot in slightly lower resolution (A point higher than 720p) Youtube will recognize it as 720p and it makes the footage a whole lot worse than it should. It may be hard to describe, sorry if you didn't understand.

The fix though: Upscale to something higher than 1080p (horizontal wise). I suggest 2560 for the vertical resolution, with instant HD. A magic bullet plugin for premiere pro, after effects, etc. This way youtube will analyze the footage allow the usage of the setting: "original". This will give a extremely sharp image, and it will sort of automatically downscale itself if you're using a 1080p monitor. Even if a user used a 1440p monitor it would still look better. So its a win win situation!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Redrocks on July 18, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Here's a raw video I filmed with my Canon 5D Mark II:
I filmed this two weeks ago while I was on a holiday in Kenya. This was my first time filming raw, read about it 2 days before I left.
My first time really working with Magic lantern as well.

- I feel like youtube isn't doing the video justice, most parts are so much better quality on my computer...

One of the best I've seen so far, would love to see different grades of this.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: aaphotog on July 18, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
Hi guys,

What kind of workflow are you using in post?
I'm on a iMac and use Rawmagic and after effects. But i'm curious about what else is out there.
Ive been trying to work with DaVinci Resolve but it just isn't what I'm looking for (as far as my knowledge of the software goes)...
When working with DaVinci I immediately start to miss all the options Camera Raw...

Is someone familiar with with both software who can convince me other wise? Because I read a lot of good things about DaVinci Resolve so I'm a bit confused right now...

And what workflow do you guys use?

Iwhat imac do you have? I have what I believe to be a mid 2011 21.5" iMac and resolve says my video card is not compatible. When bringing in footage all I see is colored static
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 19, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 19, 2013, 02:00:15 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 19, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
Thank you so much! I will certainly try that out some time!

This is an example of some footage taken in 4K with the "original" quality
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 19, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: coutts on July 19, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Here's a raw video I filmed with my Canon 5D Mark II:
I filmed this two weeks ago while I was on a holiday in Kenya. This was my first time filming raw, read about it 2 days before I left.
My first time really working with Magic lantern as well.

- I feel like youtube isn't doing the video justice, most parts are so much better quality on my computer...
would love to see a download link for this.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: xNiNELiVES on July 19, 2013, 09:53:55 PM
I uploaded my film a bit upscaled and it did give me the ''original'' option, but it didn't change anything quality wise unfortunately.

Really?! Hmmmm... For me I did two exports of a video I made. One was sub 1080p, the other was exported to 1080p and the footage was not upscaled. The sub 1080p upload gave me the option to choose 720p and the 1080p exported video let me choose 1080p. The upload with the 1080p option allowed for the video to look almost the same as the original file. The sub 1080p upload at the 720p setting did not at all. Soft as butter.

Maybe you shouldn't upscale as I told you to with instant HD and just export as a resolution higher than 1080 to give you the original setting. This will give black borders all around the footage, but when in full screen mode in youtube or windows media player it takes up the full screen...

So yeah try not upscaling and exporting the project as a higher than 1080p clip. Again I would recommend 2560 x 1440... If it doesn't my bad.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on July 20, 2013, 02:45:20 PM
I've finally tried to do my first color correction with Resolve. Just to make the video look "right". I know that is just the first step but since I didn't even know how to use the waveform... :)




/second try. noise reduction+sharpening+little color correction

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Lukasz on July 25, 2013, 01:11:51 PM
I made clip for my friends containing only RAW footage thanks to a.d.build2013/07/19 5bad65ff8cb8. Still hoping for someone to help me with my only 60MB/s with 64gb 1000x Lexar card write speed and frequent crashes with anything like monitor or okii controller connected to the camera. Also have 6 corrupted clips out of 67 which can not be fixed (adding footer like advised on the forum make the conversion to dng possible but it is just pinkish mush) ALL were created while okii controller was plugged in camera on it's own recording bugs free.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 30, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: landsleaving on July 31, 2013, 02:58:41 PM
I made a short documentary and used raw for a small part of it, one sequence of shots - not any interviews - wonder if people can easily spot the raw shots - I can, and think they look a bit better, but I worked on them, so that's not a great test!


Here's the answer:
[spoiler]It's the sequence where a few people are on a couch with beer playing N64.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Redrocks on July 31, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
What kind of grades?

Your video has a commercial feel, more bright than colourful and you could describe it as 'uplifting'. I suppose switching that around and it being more colourful than bright could be a place to start. This is in no way a criticism. 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on July 31, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Scipione205 on August 17, 2013, 04:04:59 AM
I'm not sure about the capabilities of MKII... I will shoot a short film this month, and I really want to shoot RAW but nobody in my city (who I know, in Brindisi Italy) has got the MKIII; I can find only MKII.

Is it possible to shoot continuous 1920 x 800 @23.976 fps ? I read on the main topic about 1880x840 at 24 fps so I thought that 1920x800@23.976 will be possible.

Anyone tried ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: kidkaelen on August 17, 2013, 11:10:24 AM
Hey guys ive been searching all night and just made an account so I could post this. I just came back from a skatepark with amazing lighting, I shot all raw video on my mark ii at 1280x720 (16:9) ratio 24 fps... For some reason when I edit it in photoshop, save as tiff, then open in quicktime as sequence it looks extremely grainy.. I forgot to mention but I was shooting at iso 160 - 320 at times with a 1/50 shutter speed to 1/80. The standard video looked 100x better on my mac then this raw.. I know im doing something wrong but i just dont know what.. any suggestions? also incase you were wondering I was shooting with a 24-105L if that helps
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Mati on August 29, 2013, 03:05:23 PM

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pointbob1 on September 01, 2013, 08:33:58 AM
Hey all.....i have a 60 m/bs sandisk extreme cf card suitable to record raw video on a 5d II?

I'm a newb to ML and just figured out how to load modules. I'm recording in 1880x840 (no other modes in the build I got (8cf76a551872) speed 1/60 aperture 4....any tips...is the card ok speedwise?

thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Midphase on September 01, 2013, 09:35:17 AM
If it works, it works!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pointbob1 on September 01, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
If it works, it works!

actually it works for 4 secs and stops.

can someone go over some basics on how to make it run - i've hacked gh2/gh1 so i'm acquainted with this stuff...but the 5d2 hack for raw is far from intuitive...do you have to turn off all ML stuff? can you record thru the evf and not the back lcd? thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 02, 2013, 01:20:11 AM
actually it works for 4 secs and stops.

can someone go over some basics on how to make it run - i've hacked gh2/gh1 so i'm acquainted with this stuff...but the 5d2 hack for raw is far from intuitive...do you have to turn off all ML stuff? can you record thru the evf and not the back lcd? thanks
We all have to do a lot a reading to make this Work, so please read the  Beginners Guide Before
you post questions on how to use RAW Recording module, But after that if you still have problems
Then Ask away  :)
 "RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST "
 Link below
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
 :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pointbob1 on September 02, 2013, 05:19:00 AM
We all have to do a lot a reading to make this Work, so please read the  Beginners Guide Before
you post questions on how to use RAW Recording module, But after that if you still have problems
Then Ask away  :)
 "RAW video & ML -- Beginners Guide, FAQ & Useful Links -- READ FIRST "
 Link below
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5520.0
 :)

Hey thanks! I looked at it but my 2 questions are unanswered..

do you have to turn off all ML stuff?

can you record thru the evf without the back lcd turned on? thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 02, 2013, 06:25:05 AM
Hey thanks! I looked at it but my 2 questions are unanswered..

do you have to turn off all ML stuff?

can you record thru the evf without the back lcd turned on? thanks

"do you have to turn off all ML stuff?"
 
No, when the raw module is activated it over Ride the H264 recording.
But you use all of the image setting like, magic lantern ISO, etc....

"can you record thru the evf without the back lcd turned on? thanks"

I'm not sure what you are asking here, but i think you what to turn on the
LCD on the back of camera & monitor/Frame with the EVF ?

If So, Yes you can use a EVF off the hdmi port and you can turn on
the lcd in the option for Live View, but i have not done this from my self
I hope i answered your questions. :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: pointbob1 on September 02, 2013, 07:05:14 AM
"do you have to turn off all ML stuff?"
 
No, when the raw module is activated it over Ride the H264 recording.
But you use all of the image setting like, magic lantern ISO, etc....

"can you record thru the evf without the back lcd turned on? thanks"

I'm not sure what you are asking here, but i think you what to turn on the
LCD on the back of camera & monitor/Frame with the EVF ?

If So, Yes you can use a EVF off the hdmi port and you can turn on
the lcd in the option for Live View, but i have not done this from my self
I hope i answered your questions. :)

Thanks. Looks like my prob may be the card - i did a bench mark on the sandisk extreme and it writes at about 20 mbs (rated for 60 mbs)...looks too slow for raw :(

ps,,,no I want to turn off the lcd entirely and record thru evf like i do with a mirrorless camera...not poss with 5d it appears.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on September 02, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
Thanks. Looks like my prob may be the card - i did a bench mark on the sandisk extreme and it writes at about 20 mbs (rated for 60 mbs)...looks too slow for raw :(

ps,,,no I want to turn off the lcd entirely and record thru evf like i do with a mirrorless camera...not poss with 5d it appears.
That is because it is not a evf, it is an ovf... that's what makes it a dslr and not a 'mirrorless'
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 02, 2013, 08:04:12 AM
Thanks. Looks like my prob may be the card - i did a bench mark on the sandisk extreme and it writes at about 20 mbs (rated for 60 mbs)...looks too slow for raw :(

ps,,,no I want to turn off the lcd entirely and record thru evf like i do with a mirrorless camera...not poss with 5d it appears.

No No, you can record with a Sandisk Extreme!
But you are limited to smaller frame sizes, I have 3 - 32GB 60MB/s cards
and a Extreme Pro 32 GB 90MB/s plus 2 Lexar 1000x cards.
on the Sandisk you should be able to Record raw at 1600x800 and under
But i have notice on the Sandisk Extreme 32 GB  60MB/s
If you reformat with 16 kb Alloction unit size  instead of the default 32kb
you will see a gain write speed. :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: dossisman on September 06, 2013, 11:42:51 PM
I'm not sure about the capabilities of MKII... I will shoot a short film this month, and I really want to shoot RAW but nobody in my city (who I know, in Brindisi Italy) has got the MKIII; I can find only MKII.

Is it possible to shoot continuous 1920 x 800 @23.976 fps ? I read on the main topic about 1880x840 at 24 fps so I thought that 1920x800@23.976 will be possible.

Anyone tried ?

I shot two music videos in 2.35:1 ratio, and while unfortunately 1920 is not possible, there is plenty of detail there for you to resize 1880.  I personally used Red Giant's Instant HD Resizer for it, and it looks spectacular.

RAW 1880 > H.264 1920. Any day.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bnvm on September 07, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
Quote
RAW 1880 > H.264 1920. Any day.

Very true, keep in mind the H.264 is also up-scaled from 1880 since that is the limit of the sensor non crop mode raw or not.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: fagperez on September 09, 2013, 02:46:31 PM
I'm testing the CF komputerBay 128GB 1000X and I can only record video at 1728x972 raw video without dropping frames. A 1856x1044 lose frames. Is it normal what is happening to me?.
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 12, 2013, 04:20:01 AM
Hey all, I'm having a bit of an issue workflow wise. I finally got raw video working, its amazing by the way! BUT, when I import the files into After Effects, the composition says the file is at 30fps.

In the Canon settings I have it set to 1920x1080p-24fps.
In the ML raw settings I have FPS override=ON, set to exactly=24fps, desired fps= 23.976.
And before recording it says, "FPS override ON, set to 23.976"

In the workflow inside AE, do I just change the comp settings to 23.976? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Rewind on September 12, 2013, 04:23:34 AM
In the workflow inside AE, do I just change the comp settings to 23.976? Or is there something else I'm missing?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fipic.su%2Fimg%2Fimg7%2Ffs%2Fkiss_45kb.1378952479.jpg&hash=b8d29a61cb75cc089f402fc397bc9ba5)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 12, 2013, 04:25:47 AM
Got it! THanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 12, 2013, 07:30:02 AM
Also, I've been through nearly all the pages and can't seem to find any particular settings to use in the Canon and ML menu to maximize the efficiency of RAW video recording?.

And my 64gb KomputerBay 1000x cf card has a continuous write speed of around 71-72 mb/s during recording, on the 8/16/13 build. I have global draw off, card warm up=64mb, small hacks on, fps override on @24fps. Does this write speed seem about right fo this ML date build along with my settings?

What are you guys using and how do upres your footages to 1080p from say an 1880x800, etc setting. I use Sony Vegas Pro and After Effects for my workflow.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on September 12, 2013, 12:08:09 PM
Also, I've been through nearly all the pages and can't seem to find any particular settings to use in the Canon and ML menu to maximize the efficiency of RAW video recording?.

And my 64gb KomputerBay 1000x cf card has a continuous write speed of around 71-72 mb/s during recording, on the 8/16/13 build. I have global draw off, card warm up=64mb, small hacks on, fps override on @24fps. Does this write speed seem about right fo this ML date build along with my settings?

What are you guys using and how do upres your footages to 1080p from say an 1880x800, etc setting. I use Sony Vegas Pro and After Effects for my workflow.

Thanks!

RAW is RAW, what do you mean by efficiency? Resolution? Longer recording times?

I suggest you download the newest build for the 5D Mark II and test it out. I'm getting anywhere between 73-76MB/s in full frame (1856x1044) and over 77MB/s in crop 1x  (1854x1044) for continuous shooting. This is with Global Draw on. Preview set to Auto and Small Hacks on.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 12, 2013, 03:11:08 PM
Yes efficiency, in regards to longer record time and resolution, sorry for the confusion.

Those numbers look good, which build date are you using?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on September 12, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Yes efficiency, in regards to longer record time and resolution, sorry for the confusion.

Those numbers look good, which build date are you using?

Thanks!

The newest from a_d_, which can be found here (https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads).

I'm using the 2013/09/10 26f79287de2b build.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 12, 2013, 05:07:28 PM
Great! I will certainly check this out. Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 12, 2013, 10:06:41 PM
Any of you guys shoot slightly under exposed so that you can bring the exposure in post. Or do you guys just shoot in the best exposure that you feel, followed by post work? Just wondering how you guys shoot in.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Oedipax on September 12, 2013, 11:18:38 PM
Any of you guys shoot slightly under exposed so that you can bring the exposure in post. Or do you guys just shoot in the best exposure that you feel, followed by post work? Just wondering how you guys shoot in.

In general when shooting RAW, you want to expose to the right (meaning close to overexposure without actually clipping). But in many situations I expose a little less than that to protect unforeseen highlights and so on.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 13, 2013, 12:06:39 AM
Thanks for the tip, and with that in mind I've seen both being done when filming raw. Either it's slightly underexposed or slightly overexposed. I guess it's a matter of trial and error for me until I see what works best, since I'm new to filming in raw.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on September 13, 2013, 02:53:37 AM
Any of you guys shoot slightly under exposed so that you can bring the exposure in post. Or do you guys just shoot in the best exposure that you feel, followed by post work? Just wondering how you guys shoot in.

ETTR usually. Quite easy with Global Draw on :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: raf702 on September 13, 2013, 05:57:39 AM
I tried both, and with the underexposed RAW I'm able to get good details in the highlights, but trying to bring some detail and light to the shadows caused some terrible banding and grain. It was a much better outcome on another footage when going ETTR. Seems odd cause I've seen several people filming their raw footages underexposed without issues in post. Im assuming the 5d3 just handles better in that situation than the 5d2, which is what Im using.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: robert.roth001 on September 18, 2013, 02:45:09 AM
Hey, first time poster here.

I just did a ton of research on this between yesterday and today. Answered a lot of my own questions, but there's still one thing I can't find anything on.

It seems like 1880 is pretty stable and with the correct card won't drop frames. But all I've found is that it stops once it gets to the 4GB limit. That's only what... about a minute right? Definitely not enough for narrative work (which is what I was hoping for).

So has this been solved/worked around yet? Or is 4GB still the max file size and there's no way to record longer?

Thanks! And sorry if this was answered already and I missed it.

Robert Roth
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 18, 2013, 04:30:53 AM
Hey, first time poster here.
It seems like 1880 is pretty stable and with the correct card won't drop frames. But all I've found is that it stops once it gets to the 4GB limit. That's only what... about a minute right? Definitely not enough for narrative work (which is what I was hoping for).
So has this been solved/worked around yet? Or is 4GB still the max file size and there's no way to record longer?
Robert Roth
Yes, 4GB is the max size on the 5d2.
The file system is Fat 32 so that the limit
But you should see the  "R00"   if you record longer.
Those file are Spanning files in 4GB files
unless you have a  slow card .
I wrote a post on it
Link: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.msg75388#msg75388
On my 5d2 @ 1856x1004 23.976p i get a total of 14,200 frames, on Lexar 1000x 64 GB
 :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: robert.roth001 on September 18, 2013, 05:58:58 AM
Okay, awesome man thanks! Makes sense then, so it doesn't just stop recording, it continues but creates multiple files. Just have to string them together later. Well, would rather not have that extra step but hey, I can't complain for this quality! I've been aware of this raw recording since it first came out, but never bothered with it because I was planning on getting the pocket camera. And well... lets just say that doesn't seem to be going well... I'm shooting a feature come January and I'm hoping this will be stable enough for something like that. We shall see! Need to just start shooting some tests now to get the hang of everything.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 18, 2013, 07:44:37 AM
I have been using ML Raw in all my
project since June , Never hand a problem
I shot a 60 min doc. about a street artist in raw & h264 60/40
it mix very will. It about to be shown at a 2K movie theater
Next weekend. ML raw is Stable Now, don't worry,
I just did a hdmi capture test while raw was recording at the same time.
so now you have backup when you record raw., or daily on a feature.
Check out the post : http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.msg76170#msg76170
There is no reason why you can not shot a big project with raw as long as you are Organized.
 :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: dovecom on September 27, 2013, 09:38:16 AM
What about sync sound? Are you able to get synced audio while recording raw on the 5D MKII? Or MK3? I have a Mk2 and want to dip my toe into RAW recording before upgrading to the MkIII. My current 16GB cards aren't fast enough (state of the art though when the Mk2 came out). So I want to get cards that will work with both cameras. My CF reader is a Firewire 800 device but probably isn't UDMA7 compatible given UDMA7 hadn't been invented yet.

I don't trust Komputerbay. Too flaky, too hit 'n miss. So what do I need? Is there a 32GB card that will work for everything? should I even bother on the Mk2?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: beauchampy on September 27, 2013, 08:22:08 PM
NOOB altert!

So I have the following:

5D II on 2.1.2
ML 2.3
4b3129d5a739 raw rec module.
Komputerbay 1000x 64gb

I am having problems!

Benchmark tests put the card anywhere between 51 and 64mbps (pretty low I think?)
I can't even record 1880 x 440 without some serious frame drops, even then it only records for maybe a max of 3 secs.

Have I got a lemon of a card? Or do I just need to educate myself a bit further? :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 27, 2013, 08:54:36 PM
Yes , do more reading on how to
Setup your camera  .
Search the form there a wealth of information
Here.
Then still have problems ask away  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 27, 2013, 09:05:05 PM


I don't trust Komputerbay. Too flaky, too hit 'n miss. So what do I need? Is there a 32GB card that will work for everything? should I even bother on the Mk2?
I use a Lexar 1000x 64 & 32 GB cards
Crop mode = 2048x930 23.976p upto 42GB - 76.6MB/s
Non crop mode 1856x1004 23.976p upto 42GB - 75.0MB/s
With hdmi connected to Ninja recorder
1880x930 23.976p upto 42GB - 71.0MB/s upto 42GB ;)
 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: SpcCb on September 28, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
New SanDisk Extreme PRO 160MB/s cards look durable and tests show write speed @90MB/s, so enough for the 5D2 (?).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on September 28, 2013, 01:13:29 PM
New SanDisk Extreme PRO 160MB/s cards look durable and tests show write speed @90MB/s, so enough for the 5D2 (?).

Showing 90MB/s on the 5D Mark II?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: beauchampy on September 28, 2013, 04:04:04 PM
Yes , do more reading on how to
Setup your camera  .
Search the form there a wealth of information
Here.
Then still have problems ask away  :)

Ok I did some more reading! Did some tweaking.. Even at 1880 x 440 the camera will record for a few seconds then lock up! The liveview freezes and the top of the camera just flashes 'busy'. This just goes on and on until I pull the battery.

I've given up on this komputerbay card. Filled out my RMA request and I've got a Transcend 1000x 64gb on order.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 28, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
Ok I did some more reading! Did some tweaking.. Even at 1880 x 440 the camera will record for a few seconds then lock up! The liveview freezes and the top of the camera just flashes 'busy'. This just goes on and on until I pull the battery.

I've given up on this komputerbay card. Filled out my RMA request and I've got a Transcend 1000x 64gb on order.
Can to tell me your setting exactly
What are your setting in  the canon menu
What are your setting in the ML raw menu
Did you format CF card in camera?
To me it look like a setting problem :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: SpcCb on September 29, 2013, 02:21:51 AM
Showing 90MB/s on the 5D Mark II?
Not on the 5D2, but it's the max write speed of this card reported in tests (I found it by googled the name of this card).
And, as I read here in this forum, 5D2 is hardware limited at 90MB/s and the absolute max write speed recorded by ML users is 80~85MB/s, so maybe it's fast enough to reach the maximum of the 5D2. This setup should not be "card speed limited".

Sorry to not been clear, but it is a supposition in my previous post. I do not see any ML users report about those new cards yet.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on September 30, 2013, 12:08:44 PM
Keeping play with basic stuff. I'm trying to understand which workflow I like the most. For now is:

davinci resolve hunter's LUT + color correction --> final cut pro x neat video + filmconvert


Youtube compression sucks :(
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jose_ugs on September 30, 2013, 05:25:54 PM
I've given up on this komputerbay card. Filled out my RMA request and I've got a Transcend 1000x 64gb on order.

Hey, let us know how the Transcend 1000x performs... please :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guilhermemartins on September 30, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
I`just saw the beginning of the thread.
I`ve acctually been using a Komputerbay 32Gb X1000 CF for a couple months at least since (2013/08/16
31302bbc6461)
and have outstanding results: 1856x1004 Continuous OK exept I like using 2.0 Aspect ratio.
If anybody wants me to run any tests I`ll be glad to help.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: beauchampy on October 01, 2013, 05:27:07 PM
I`just saw the beginning of the thread.
I`ve acctually been using a Komputerbay 32Gb X1000 CF for a couple months at least since (2013/08/16
31302bbc6461)
and have outstanding results: 1856x1004 Continuous OK exept I like using 2.0 Aspect ratio.
If anybody wants me to run any tests I`ll be glad to help.

Can you tell us more about which build of ML you're using and what your camera settings are?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guilhermemartins on October 02, 2013, 03:29:06 PM
I ran some tests. I currently run the 2013/08/27 8cf76a551872 build by a.d. at both a KB 1000x 32GB, and a Sandisk Extreme 60 Mb/s.

I seem to have misinformed you guys, I don't get the 1856x1004 option anymore I get 1856x1016 and it expects continuous but only puts out 200-1000 frames depending on camera movement (KB x1000). I do get 1880x940 Continuous, unfortunately I still haven't got any footage to show for, but we are shooting a short entirely on ML raw that I'll be glad share @ the forum when ready, and credit ML. (will be ready next year)

At the Sandisk i get 1600x800 continuous. Again I like usig 2:1 Aspect.

Ive been using the workflow.

MLRAW> Son Of Batch> DNG> Adobe Camera RAW (upscale to 3072x1536)> TIFF> QUICKTIME7>PRORES 4444 (any size Usualy 1080P w/letterbox)> NLE (fcp7)> XML> Davinci Resolve Lite (Round trip to FCP) > XML> AE (for NR -Boris CC etc)> PRORES> NLE (for compositing grain or light leaks etc)> Final

It is a little complicated but gives out good images. And I don't mind the extra work really.

   

 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: beauchampy on October 02, 2013, 05:41:24 PM
Hey, let us know how the Transcend 1000x performs... please :)

MUCH better! Definitely far superior!

Write speeds dramatically improved from being in the low 60's to now the high 70's, even 80's.

I need to do further testing but I was getting continuous 1880x720, I'll bump it up later tonight and see how high I can go.

This thing is actually working now and just did my first test through lightroom -> compressor -> prores 4444

So so sweet!! :)

Thank you ML!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: davidlennon on October 11, 2013, 08:30:17 AM
can some one please do an update to this for Date: 2013-10-11 09:10:09 +1100 build, i am really confused trying to work with the new build when all the forums are on the old build! some one please help me
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Africashot on October 11, 2013, 08:41:34 AM
Maybe you should rather look into this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5533.0
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: FartingPuppyProductions on October 11, 2013, 01:17:36 PM
I use a Lexar 1000x 64 & 32 GB cards
Crop mode = 2048x930 23.976p upto 42GB - 76.6MB/s
Non crop mode 1856x1004 23.976p upto 42GB - 75.0MB/s
With hdmi connected to Ninja recorder
1880x930 23.976p upto 42GB - 71.0MB/s upto 42GB ;)

You can record raw to a ninja?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mrnv45 on October 11, 2013, 06:56:30 PM
if you cannot keep continuous on
you might want to re-benchmark your card and restart it.  sometimes i loose my continued shooting on my 7d.   but once i benchmark it works again...

just a thought!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on October 12, 2013, 12:31:21 AM
You can record raw to a ninja?
No its not possible .
i have replied to your pm, it explains it all  :) 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: edgewood58 on November 08, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
Has anyone Used an ExtremePro 64gb SD card with 95MB/s in a SDHC/SD Extreme CF adapter when trying to shoot Raw on there 5D2? All that extreme must have canceled something out because it's extremely slow.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: dossisman on January 06, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
I'm having issues with the newest builds. I keep turning on the RAW and MLV modules as well as the file_man modules, and they do not load when I restart my camera. Am I doing something wrong? I keep going back to an old build because it doesn't fail me, but I'm dying to try the new features. :(

Help?

The build I just installed was the 12/30 one.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on January 06, 2014, 12:07:39 AM
@ dossisman

Have you tried to go to the Prefs > Config files > Restore ML defaults ?

Of course that will return all settings to default so maybe you should save your settings or take note of them.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Archie Pushka on January 09, 2014, 04:18:54 PM
Hello folks,

Thanks to all those who have made this happen and for all the info! I hadn't checked out ML in a year or two and it sure has made strides!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on January 14, 2014, 02:30:07 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kharak on January 15, 2014, 01:24:15 PM
I was wondering what other people prefer; filming 16:9 at a stable 1600x900 or filming 2.35:1 stable for about 40 sec: 1880x800 or stable: 1728x736. Or do you prefer something else?

Think the real question is, what do you prefer :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bnvm on January 15, 2014, 11:10:13 PM
Has anyone Used an ExtremePro 64gb SD card with 95MB/s in a SDHC/SD Extreme CF adapter when trying to shoot Raw on there 5D2? All that extreme must have canceled something out because it's extremely slow.

I am guessing that the 95 MB/s is the max read speed for the card may card advertise their highest possible speed usually read and it is generally much higher than the write speed. I have found that the write speeds on most cards is roughly half of the max speed posted for the card. So if you are getting around 45 MB/s, I would say that sounds right to me.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on January 22, 2014, 02:04:58 AM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mannyaroyo on January 23, 2014, 04:01:47 AM
So as there is 23 pages on this thread ill admit i didnt read much if any, BUT with that said has anyone gotten 1920x1080 in raw mode? i can get to 1856x1044 in any crop mode. I also have a komputerbay 1000x 32gb card. Thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bluecreative on January 26, 2014, 12:43:26 AM
I've tried some 64GB Komputer bay cards and it appears as though my 5D Mk II is either making them corrupt, or the cards are defective. They work fine for recording for about 10 seconds. I copy the files onto my computer, then put them back in the camera to format them, keeping the ML on the card.

I did another shoot, used the same process, except this time when I put the cards back in my camera, it doesn't recognize them and says they weren't formatted in this camera and to re-format them. The weird thing is, is that there are jumbled up words in the upper left hand corner of the screen. It looks like 2 or 3 layers of words so i can't make out what they say.

I can't reformat the card on the camera, it won't allow me to select that options on the camera, and even if I delete everything on the computer and totally wipe the card clean, it still won't allow me to format them in-camera. It has happened with two of my 64GB Komputer Bay cards.

Do you think it's the cards themselves? Maybe I should return them as defective and try out a different brand...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bluecreative on January 26, 2014, 12:56:04 AM
I just tried my 16GB Sandisk 60MB/s card in there and it seems to work great, especially when I turn the quality down to 1280x720. I think I'll just be done with the POS Komputer bay cards :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on January 26, 2014, 11:20:22 AM
I've tried some 64GB Komputer bay cards and it appears as though my 5D Mk II is either making them corrupt, or the cards are defective. They work fine for recording for about 10 seconds. I copy the files onto my computer, then put them back in the camera to format them, keeping the ML on the card.

I did another shoot, used the same process, except this time when I put the cards back in my camera, it doesn't recognize them and says they weren't formatted in this camera and to re-format them. The weird thing is, is that there are jumbled up words in the upper left hand corner of the screen. It looks like 2 or 3 layers of words so i can't make out what they say.

I can't reformat the card on the camera, it won't allow me to select that options on the camera, and even if I delete everything on the computer and totally wipe the card clean, it still won't allow me to format them in-camera. It has happened with two of my 64GB Komputer Bay cards.

Do you think it's the cards themselves? Maybe I should return them as defective and try out a different brand...

What card reader do you use?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bluecreative on January 26, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
What card reader do you use?

I'm using an Iogear card reader, model # GFR281
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on January 26, 2014, 05:53:32 PM
I'm using an Iogear card reader, model # GFR281

USB2.0, USB3.0 or FireWire?

Not all card readers are compatible with Komputerbay Compact Flash cards.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bluecreative on January 26, 2014, 09:53:40 PM
It's a USB 2.0 card reader. I didn't really do much on the card reader other than copy the files to my computer. Then I formatted it in camera to clear it.

I ordered a Gold Flash Firewire 800 card reader and it should be here sometime this week so I will see if that helps. I'm leaning towards getting a Transcend card now since I've heard a lot of good things about those cards.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on January 26, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: bluecreative on January 27, 2014, 01:10:02 AM
Did you make the cards bootable? You need to update the ML firmware on the camera with every card you want to use (at least once).
Maybe this will work?; delete everything from your card on a pc, then put it back into you camera. Format the card from within the camera. Then when the card has been successfully formatted put magic lantern on the card + the magic lantern firmware, put the card back into your camera, go to the canon menu and update your firmware. When that's done you turn of your camera, and when your turn it back on hopefully everything will work properly.

Thanks for the post, but I did all of that to begin with and the RAW video on them worked a couple of times. I ran the firmware update on each of the cards with the ML files on them to make them bootable.  Then all of a sudden they were completely unreadable by the camera, and wouldn't even allow me to format them in-camera anymore. I didn't modify the cards in any way on my computer, simply copied the RAW files off of the card and ejected it. I'm returning them as defective and buying some Transcend 1000x 64GB cards now.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on February 09, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
I've read over in the 50D posts that the Komputerbay cards work only with USB 3 CF readers. I own a Kingston FCR USB 3 and it's never given any trouble with Komputerbay cards. I've now owned over 4 cards without issues.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mrd777 on February 11, 2014, 10:26:50 AM
Can someone help me out here?
Been watching a lot of comparison videos on youtube of RAW vs h264 in the Mark 2 and Mark 3 - The only difference I can see is a slight dynamic range and a good amount of shaper detail. I thought the raw was suppose to give it waaaay more dynamic range. What have your experiences been in seeing the difference in RAW vs h264 straight from the camera?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on February 11, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
Can someone help me out here?
Been watching a lot of comparison videos on youtube of RAW vs h264 in the Mark 2 and Mark 3 - The only difference I can see is a slight dynamic range and a good amount of shaper detail. I thought the raw was suppose to give it waaaay more dynamic range. What have your experiences been in seeing the difference in RAW vs h264 straight from the camera?

Thanks!

14-bit RAW vs compressed 8-bit 4:2:0 H.264 codec.

They are worlds apart.

Try out for yourself and see the difference, it's night and day. It isn't for fun we are jumping up and down like small children on Christmas Eve.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mrd777 on February 11, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
14-bit RAW vs compressed 8-bit 4:2:0 H.264 codec.

They are worlds apart.

Try out for yourself and see the difference, it's night and day. It isn't for fun we are jumping up and down like small children on Christmas Eve.

I have tried it, but only indoors and the lighting was not too strong or contrasted, so I guess that might be why. But I get the feeling I'm doing something wrong because I don't notice, or can't seem to pull out some awesome dynamic range from it, and I don't see people on Youtube doing it either, with the exception of one video. So I'm not saying ANYTHING negative. I am blaming myself and looking for answers! When you say night and day, can you point me to a source where I can see or learn? Is it possible that I'm on a Mark 2 and not a 3, which may be limited in some way?

Humbly appreciated!
Thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: SpcCb on February 11, 2014, 04:31:19 PM
I have tried it, but only indoors and the lighting was not too strong or contrasted, so I guess that might be why. But I get the feeling I'm doing something wrong because I don't notice, or can't seem to pull out some awesome dynamic range from it, and I don't see people on Youtube doing it either, with the exception of one video. So I'm not saying ANYTHING negative. I am blaming myself and looking for answers! When you say night and day, can you point me to a source where I can see or learn? Is it possible that I'm on a Mark 2 and not a 3, which may be limited in some way?

Humbly appreciated!
Thank you!
Dynamic range is just a part of gains.
As you get a RAW file, you can deeply adjust image rendering like with a still image RAW. Plus, there's no compression face to the H264. This is only a couple of examples..

But you have to be careful how you manage RAW video files; if you directly compress DNG to JPEG to work with, there will be no huge gains.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mrd777 on February 11, 2014, 10:55:24 PM
Dynamic range is just a part of gains.
As you get a RAW file, you can deeply adjust image rendering like with a still image RAW. Plus, there's no compression face to the H264. This is only a couple of examples..

But you have to be careful how you manage RAW video files; if you directly compress DNG to JPEG to work with, there will be no huge gains.

I tried some outdoor shots today and the difference was immense. So, yeah I can see.

HOWEVER, I see people talking about DNG and CinemaDNG and I can't find a thread comparing the two. Are they the same quality? If so, I assume they are just for different programs to recognize them(resolve, for ex)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Midphase on February 12, 2014, 03:05:58 AM
HOWEVER, I see people talking about DNG and CinemaDNG and I can't find a thread comparing the two. Are they the same quality? If so, I assume they are just for different programs to recognize them(resolve, for ex)

My understanding is that the only difference between DNG and CDNG is specific metadata attached to the file. The raw bits should be identical on both files much like a text document, but CDNG is specifically configured with video oriented metadata.

As of right now, Resolve can read DNG sequences just fine, unfortunately Premiere Pro doesn't.
Title: 5D Mark 2, Raw video with anamorphic lens hypergonar berthiot 16mm
Post by: arturo felix filmmaker on February 12, 2014, 03:58:16 AM
5D Mark 2 Raw Video
hypergonar lente anamórfica benoist Berthiot N.9946
nikon 55mm 1.2
24fps 1856x1044p 16:09
5x factor de recorte se utiliza para evitar el viñeteado causado por 16mm hypergonar en sensor de fotograma completo

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: oterpoter on February 15, 2014, 03:42:35 PM
I am using nightly builds from 9. Feb. I have tested Raw 14bit MLV and RAW, but my video ends up with a pink/purple cast.is this a known problem. I recorded 960x540 and 1280X720, thats the fastest my card can handle. Any help is much apprechiated!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on February 15, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
I am using nightly builds from 9. Feb. I have tested Raw 14bit MLV and RAW, but my video ends up with a pink/purple cast.is this a known problem. I recorded 960x540 and 1280X720, thats the fastest my card can handle. Any help is much apprechiated!

What speed is your card? 1000x is minimum to get optimum performance on 5d2.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: oterpoter on February 16, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
Speed of card is 60mb/s, and thats why I only shoot in 960x540 and 1280x720, since those are OK with that card. Except for the magenta/purple/pink cast
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Bayareamediamasters-BAMM! on March 22, 2014, 03:54:23 AM
Shot this RAW comparison video using the 5D Mark II, Sandisk Extreme Pro 32gb CF Card UDMA7 160mb/s and the Feb. 14th ML Build with RAW Module.
I could only record for about 30 seconds at this resolution, but definitely worth it for certain applications.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: gavflynn on March 22, 2014, 04:50:02 PM
I've been looking at both the 5dmkii and 5dmkiii for RAW. I'm satisfied with image of even the lower resolutions on the mkii that yall are getting with ML RAW. But my only concern is continuous shooting, preferably without dropped frames. I haven't been able to find a straight answer.

But does anyone know the absolute longest I could shoot 1280x720p RAW continuously? What's the biggest fastest card out there in order to shoot as long as possible?

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Midphase on March 22, 2014, 06:01:50 PM
But does anyone know the absolute longest I could shoot 1280x720p RAW continuously? What's the biggest fastest card out there in order to shoot as long as possible?

29 minutes? I think your question has been answered many times before, please do a search.

Get the fastest CF card you can afford, although on the 5D2 I think you're limited to a max size of 128gb I think...maybe less?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on March 24, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
Hi all I try to set the raw settings in camera but the whole menu is grayed out...

Can someone help me. In menu options "Modules" it does say that the RAW_REC ok...

Hope to hear from you !
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on March 24, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
@johnny5d

Have you tried accessing that menu whilst in Live View mode?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on March 25, 2014, 03:52:47 PM
Yes ,.. stupid me! I also need to turn off auto turn off!..


Next to that! I have read the whole forum but can't find a good straight forward workflow for raw. (for me as a sony vegas user! :( )

What i do is:

5D RAW to RAW2DNG.exe

DNG files in photoshop raw and save all files to .TIF

Then open in quicktime and save them to a movie in H.264.... (can't find any other good codec in the list!)

then in sony vegas

Also don't know good rendering settings in sony vegas!

Can someone give me some good advice on this?

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: zastavets on March 28, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
I want to buy a card Transcend CompactFlash 64GB 1000x (TS64GCF1000)
Can anyone tell me if I can add to it ?

5D Mark 2 Raw Video
25fps 1856x1044p 16:9

Thank you for your reply!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on March 28, 2014, 11:24:15 PM
5D Mark 2 Raw Video
25fps 1856x1044p 16:9

Thank you for your reply!

I have not tested the transcend but here is a chart showing what the mkII can do at 25P.
Tested with Komputerbay and lexar both 1000X.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31.0-8/1960971_457810154349774_834951388_o.jpg
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: elfrabo on March 30, 2014, 04:08:06 PM
I'm new to using MLV. When using mlrawviewer the video looks very bad: colors are all washed out and sort of pinkish.

I'm currently using magiclantern-Nightly.2014Mar29.5D2212

baldand:
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The black level is wrong due to a bug in the version of mlv_rec you used, so those files would need to be manually fixed to be displayed or converted correctly.

You need to upgrade to a newer ML with correct black levels.

As I understand it, the bug was in Magic Lantern - not MlRawViewer. Sorry, but I don't know any of the details about the fix
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9560.msg109539#msg109539 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9560.msg109539#msg109539)

Should I use another build?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on March 30, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
I'm new to using MLV. When using mlrawviewer the video looks very bad: colors are all washed out and sort of pinkish.

Don't judge the footage from the viewer, extract the dngs first and confirm them via after effects or resolve, or even open a frame in photoshop if thats actually the case.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rainless on March 30, 2014, 07:44:47 PM
Yes ,.. stupid me! I also need to turn off auto turn off!..


Next to that! I have read the whole forum but can't find a good straight forward workflow for raw. (for me as a sony vegas user! :( )

What i do is:

5D RAW to RAW2DNG.exe

DNG files in photoshop raw and save all files to .TIF

Then open in quicktime and save them to a movie in H.264.... (can't find any other good codec in the list!)

then in sony vegas

Also don't know good rendering settings in sony vegas!

Can someone give me some good advice on this?

Why don't you just use RAWanizer? http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5557.0

It automatically converts the DNGs into Tiffs.



Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: elfrabo on March 30, 2014, 08:32:12 PM
Don't judge the footage from the viewer, extract the dngs first and confirm them via after effects or resolve, or even open a frame in photoshop if thats actually the case.

Unfortunately the video quality is still looking bad after exporting  :( . Some examples (password is MLV):

http://frankboekamp.smugmug.com/MLV/ (http://frankboekamp.smugmug.com/MLV/)

I need a lot of time to correct these images using ARC or Premiere Pro
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on March 30, 2014, 08:48:47 PM
@ elfrabo

Try this:

On Magic Lantern's Movie menu goto RAW (MLV) then go to the sub settings and find Fix black level turn it OFF

Then film something and see if you have the problem.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kenji on March 30, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
There are horrible green lines at 0:11-0:13.
I dont know whether these are from the camera itself or DaVinci Resolve....

I didnt use a VAF-5d2 filter, so i guess these are the typical anti aliasing - moire'ish problems?

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140330%2Fhtt5joni.jpg&hash=70fe05a4f6da62e6d25406d9b897da61)

-->(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140330%2Fui4liap7.jpg&hash=85a13940426012fe6fd7faff14f43f06)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on March 30, 2014, 08:57:23 PM
Resolve is known to have such problems with footage from ML. Something to do with the debayer it uses. At the moment ACR 'gets on' with the footage much better. (IMHO)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: elfrabo on March 30, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
@ elfrabo

Try this:

On Magic Lantern's Movie menu goto RAW (MLV) then go to the sub settings and find Fix black level turn it OFF

Then film something and see if you have the problem.

Great: this works!

Thanks mageye   :D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mageye on March 30, 2014, 11:10:42 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
So yeah,
I just lost a day worth of footage because of this pink frame bs.
Whoever decided an unknown new feature called "fix black level" should be turned on as default... Thanks. I will be checking the menus every time from now on.
http://postimg.org/image/nb4b2odhv/ (http://postimg.org/image/nb4b2odhv/)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Audionut on April 01, 2014, 03:16:02 AM
Ouch.  Using experimental software in a production environment, without first checking, and, double checking the output, probably wasn't the smartest idea.

Fortunately, you can use exiftool to recover the footage.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
That is really helpful...
Colors looked ok in the camera screen and I have an older version of ML in another card in case the nightly doesnt work, or it does something weird. This was something I did not predict as nothing looked weird at the time. Thanks for the vague answer, but I'm off to reshoot.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: PressureFM on April 01, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
He was simply implying that you made a test shoot before doing the real shoot.

As in, on location, do a quick test and see if everything checks out and then proceed to do the actual shooting.

You should always have a workflow like that, even with "normal" equipment.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Audionut on April 01, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
Sorry, I misplaced the silver platter earlier.

I found it (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.msg108425#msg108425).
You will need to change the black level to 1024, or around 1700 (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/02c9af698af933dfea31212713d5216cb0626ff8).

As expected, this issue has been posted all over the forums, and a quick search for the codeword I left in my last post, found the silver platter linked above.

Feel free to keep ranting about software that is provided to you for free though.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnN30WsJ.jpg&hash=41590aa53986e47264ab39740d5331f4)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on April 04, 2014, 07:00:05 PM
So yeah,
I just lost a day worth of footage because of this pink frame bs.
Whoever decided an unknown new feature called "fix black level" should be turned on as default... Thanks. I will be checking the menus every time from now on.
http://postimg.org/image/nb4b2odhv/ (http://postimg.org/image/nb4b2odhv/)

I just shot a commercial on the Mar 30 nightly build. Stupid idea, and never again. I keep trying and trying MLV builds, and I keep having problems. OCT26th A.D. build for 5D is rock solid, but the HDMI crash bug on that one drives my camera op nuts.

All my footage came out pink as well. Use exiftool to fix the dngs with this command: Exiftool –BlackLevel=1791. No need to re-shoot.

Second, every shot that had any kind of motion has atrocious tearing of the image. This occurs when the HDMI monitor is plugged in. Fortunately, due to the aesthetic of the commercial, I can use Twitch to cover up the tearing, so our huge dolly rig wasn't completely to waste. One or two shots cannot be used this way and are ruined.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 04, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
I just shot a commercial on the Mar 30 nightly build. Stupid idea, and never again. I keep trying and trying MLV builds, and I keep having problems. OCT26th A.D. build for 5D is rock solid, but the HDMI crash bug on that one drives my camera op nuts.

All my footage came out pink as well. Use exiftool to fix the dngs with this command: Exiftool –BlackLevel=1791. No need to re-shoot.

Second, every shot that had any kind of motion has atrocious tearing of the image. This occurs when the HDMI monitor is plugged in. Fortunately, due to the aesthetic of the commercial, I can use Twitch to cover up the tearing, so our huge dolly rig wasn't completely to waste. One or two shots cannot be used this way and are ruined.
I founded a very stable build from the nightly that I trust for paid work with out question !  Feb16th link below: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D2.212/206/artifact/platform/5D2.212/magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2014Feb16.5D2212.zip
Changeset: 536fbadfcc312939ba6af7d812c8cf1025ca1050
Its rock solid with HDMI and still has the 1872 option(continuous too) , as I sad I trust this for work, I never try new build for work as there is also issues  & the chance of failure
is too great. I torture test the raw builds for at lest a day, if it can handle being recorded 5 time in a row (full 64GB card) it a keeper. ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on April 04, 2014, 09:51:33 PM
I never try new build for work as there is also issues

What issues?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on April 04, 2014, 10:32:24 PM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 04, 2014, 10:32:50 PM
Mainly HDMI EVF/hard drive recorders with large frame sizes plus audio.
I'm not saying the latest builds are unstable not at all. In fact you don't hear of any big problems period  it the most Stable Camera at the moment . :)
It work ! and that's Great.
I need & want the largest frame size I can record closest to HD with audio and that would be 1872x936 2:1 as I need a quick turn around
without have to do to much work in resizing. So 2:1 work just right for me as I just leave the little black bar on the top bottom
as I do a mainly news stories. There for I need HDMI to be rock solid as I depend on it as for Backup to recorder & EVF.
You don't Get a Second chance at a news story, so I error on the side of caution   :D   
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: djzigoh on April 04, 2014, 10:38:22 PM
I'm a passive reader of this forums....   And I hate when people comes saying that ML had ruin their shot or something like that... It's experimental software (that works) provided for free, documented and with a forum filled with users experienced, workarounds, etc... What do this people expect???
As another user had posted beafore, it's unthinkable to go to the field without testing everything first.
Sorry.. I ve needed to say this.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Audionut on April 05, 2014, 02:42:27 AM
@ Veerle

Please share your videos here (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=19.0).
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: a1ex on April 05, 2014, 08:04:08 AM
@reddeercity: got it, I thought you have found some nasty bugs in the latest builds. I didn't run it on HDMI for a while, so maybe it's time to check it again.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: elfrabo on April 05, 2014, 08:39:02 AM
Hi Guys!

I re-edited my Africa video. This time I did the color grading with Davinci Resolve. This is my first video using resolve, personally I think it looks much better! What do you guys think?


I know were off topic here  ;)

Hi Veerle,

You have got some nice footage there. What lenses have you used?

Some points to improve: get some environmental sound into your video and make it shorter: be really hard to yourself when selecting clips  ;D

Great work :D

Cheers, Frank
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: rainless on April 05, 2014, 11:38:44 AM
You've got some white balancing issues.

Some of the scenes have a highly pronounced yellow tint.

Don't know Resolve at all... but I would select one of the scenes with the zebra, use a white balancing tool... and click on the white of the zebra.  That should get you back to a neutral tint. Then you can work from there.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on April 05, 2014, 07:03:11 PM
I founded a very stable build from the nightly that I trust for paid work with out question !  Feb16th link below: http://builds.magiclantern.fm/jenkins/job/5D2.212/206/artifact/platform/5D2.212/magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2014Feb16.5D2212.zip
Changeset: 536fbadfcc312939ba6af7d812c8cf1025ca1050
Its rock solid with HDMI and still has the 1872 option(continuous too) , as I sad I trust this for work, I never try new build for work as there is also issues  & the chance of failure
is too great. I torture test the raw builds for at lest a day, if it can handle being recorded 5 time in a row (full 64GB card) it a keeper. ;)

Ok great I'll have to try this out! I did test the Mar 30th nightly for the shoot, but I didn't with the HDMI monitor we used, and I guess that threw a glitch in that causes the processor to overload on lots of motion and cause the tearing. I left black level on considering that I've had black level problems in the past, but it made all my footage pink (but it's a relatively easy fix, as I said)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 06, 2014, 12:13:04 AM
The black fix level is for the 5d3 as far as I know, this should be off on the 5d2.
You should not any problems with that build , FYI my setting for that build are as following
Fill buffer rate "1" , GD off when recording on Lexar 1000x, Audio 44.1 and I format my card every
Time before I shot video
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: HeldvomFeld on April 07, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
that february 16 built doesnt really work for me. Freezes on hdmi. Also the info bars have black background and are blocking the part that is actually recording on the hdmi monitor.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 07, 2014, 05:21:11 PM
that february 16 built doesnt really work for me. Freezes on hdmi. Also the info bars have black background and are blocking the part that is actually recording on the hdmi monitor.
what's your frame resolution , buffer fill rate setting when the HDMI froze up ? CF Card ?
1856x928 is solid with HDMI & 1872x936 is not as solid .
In capturing HDMI with recorder, just kill all overlays with recording there a switch for that.
So please don't say it doesn't work, but explain why it didn't work with setting so the problem
Can be fix if there is a problem. :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: HeldvomFeld on April 07, 2014, 05:46:08 PM
Hi,

frame resolution is maximum in 16:9 on 5d2 since I dont need continous recording but short clips. buffer rate was 4 but I changed it to 1 because that works for you. CF Card is Komputerbay 32gb 1000x. I dont use a recorder, just a hdmi monitor. Well, is has worked before with the same settings on different builts, thats why I said it doesnt work for ME.  Overlays are always killed while recording. The freezing is not the problem. THe problem is that the info bars are blocking part of my screen since they have a black background.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 07, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
 try buffer "0" that's the fastest setting, your really limited to about
68-72 MB/s & 16/9 really is pushing it over it's limited i think that around 80 MB/s
You should no problem at 2:1 but 16/9 will have problem
Thanks for the feed back.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: HeldvomFeld on April 07, 2014, 06:16:42 PM
well, I dont have any problems with dropped frames or stopped recording so no need to change anything there.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: silvertonesx24 on April 08, 2014, 02:09:21 AM
If anyone's interested, here's the commercial I shot with ML Nightly 3/30

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ale on April 09, 2014, 12:58:42 AM
Hi everybody!

Last week-end I tested ML raw (nightly 2014april02 2.5d22) with raw_rec module and a 64gb 1000x Komputerbay.
I'm overall very surprised by raw quality, except for some strange red and blu dots that I've founded in a single shot.
I've read something about pink dots and fringe issue, but I'm not sure that this is the same issue. This is the reason why I'm asking your opinion.
This is the original picture (1856x1004, 1/50, f/about 5, ISO 100 (-0,2ML), focus distance: infinite, dng created by rawmagic and opened and saved with camera raw - no editing)

https://db.tt/pAPQIVLq

and here a detail to easily identify colored dots.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdb.tt%2FGuMxbqHs&hash=75d0dd67037b3406af15d3784daff87b)

Here the same frame graded (chromatic aberration correction in camera raw helped a lot, but not enough)
https://db.tt/0KKglosi

And now a new take, shoot in H264 and cinestyle, graded and sharpened (premiere contrast effect +15). If you look carefully you can see in the same position something like a regular grid, but it is less noticeable cause there are no strange colors; it seems more like a compression artifact.
https://db.tt/ZKttip67

detail:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdb.tt%2FrvbelqTr&hash=0ed466412649496090bba4c078630911)

What do you think about?
thank you very much
Alessandro
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: delrosestephen on April 09, 2014, 03:32:22 AM
A few months back I used RAW_Rec and shot a project in 2:35.1 and I could enable the recording frame to make sure everything was framed correctly. Now I'm using the Feb16 build with MLV_Rec and I see no option for a recording frame. Am I missing something? Or is recording frame not available in MLV_Rec?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on April 11, 2014, 01:29:54 PM
We have shot this short film for a exercise in school, hope you can find something interesting in it :) It was shoot with a 5D Mark II, Magic Lantern raw, 35mm 50mm and 100mm lenses. Editing was done on Final cut pro x, color correction on Davinci Resolve.

https://www.mediafire.com/?22ddaau029jejhm
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: skualo on April 11, 2014, 04:59:54 PM
Hi everybody!

Last week-end I tested ML raw (nightly 2014april02 2.5d22) with raw_rec module and a 64gb 1000x Komputerbay.
I'm overall very surprised by raw quality, except for some strange red and blu dots that I've founded in a single shot.
I've read something about pink dots and fringe issue, but I'm not sure that this is the same issue. This is the reason why I'm asking your opinion.
This is the original picture (1856x1004, 1/50, f/about 5, ISO 100 (-0,2ML), focus distance: infinite, dng created by rawmagic and opened and saved with camera raw - no editing)

https://db.tt/pAPQIVLq

and here a detail to easily identify colored dots.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdb.tt%2FGuMxbqHs&hash=75d0dd67037b3406af15d3784daff87b)

Here the same frame graded (chromatic aberration correction in camera raw helped a lot, but not enough)
https://db.tt/0KKglosi

And now a new take, shoot in H264 and cinestyle, graded and sharpened (premiere contrast effect +15). If you look carefully you can see in the same position something like a regular grid, but it is less noticeable cause there are no strange colors; it seems more like a compression artifact.
https://db.tt/ZKttip67

detail:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fdb.tt%2FrvbelqTr&hash=0ed466412649496090bba4c078630911)

What do you think about?
thank you very much
Alessandro


Hi Ale
I've the same problem, you've solved?

THX
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on April 14, 2014, 09:39:43 AM
Guys those red and blue dots are related to the sensor line skipping. It occurs in high-contrast and fine-detail scenarios. You can purchase/install a Mosaic Engineering VAF and it will go away. The dots are a result of information that lies between the recorded pixels/lines.

Yes, ACR does a great job of removing part of the issue. However, the solution is a VAF from Mosaic Engineering. The cons are that you loose image resolution in crop mode and with photos. Additionally, the lenses that are parfocal may loose that ability. The pros are that you will not capture moire and allaising and that you will also capture a sharper color pallet when shooting in full frame. Not many people are aware that the sensor captures better color detail when the moire is eliminated from the recording.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ale on April 14, 2014, 12:02:08 PM
Thank you Davis for your answer.
I supposed it was an issue caused by sensor line skipping, but I was confused because it is so evident in raw mode and not in h264. Whereas in most situations raw shoots are obviously better then h264, here I have some doubts if it is really worth soothing raw.

However I have found an answer in RAWTHERAPY which include some very efficient corrections for color issue and it seems to be able to correct even those kind of dots (much more better than ACR!)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on April 14, 2014, 06:05:27 PM
Not many people are aware that the sensor captures better color detail when the moire is eliminated from the recording.

eeehm... I didn't know  :P
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on April 16, 2014, 09:08:45 AM
What is the best affordable CF card suitable for raw video on my 5d mkii?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: LEVISDAVIS on April 16, 2014, 01:11:55 PM
Most likely the Komputerbay 1066 128GB CF card on Amazon...

Jumped on board with Raw Therapee... Feeling pretty good about the image quality. Might give this app a thumbs up over ACR. Really appreciate the program's capabilities. Thanks for mentioning the program.

Can confirm that the Feb 16th Build is super stable. Recording 128 GB with Max Resolution at 2.20 with Global Draw on and Digic Slightly Sharper with a 1050x Komputerbay.

* I own a Canon 50D. I can swap the autoexec.bin and ML files from 5D II onto 50D / 5D II bootable card and playback .RAW files on 5DII.

* Got to say that the 5D II appears to be the most stable of 50D, 5D III, and 5D II testing. It appears to run super similar to the Alpha model that I used to run on a T2i back in 2011. I typically don't have start up recording errors and if you pick a solution that works once... It will almost always work twice. There is a lot of confidence to be held even with such high-speed card writing. Amazing! Thanks. The 5D III took about 3 - 7 days to really figure out the kinks and quirks and then it was ready to fire away non-stop. With the 5D II I had one tough night dealing with a card that needed to be reformatted with EOS Card for some odd reason... But everything has just worked since and there is no stopping the recordings. The 50D has long since been very reliable and will continue to be that way. I've been following the TL/ML development for the past 8 months and have seen some very solid recordings. Haven't been testing the latest ML and need to. The TL version is getting kind of too buggy even though it offers higher recording resolutions.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ManuR on April 22, 2014, 03:29:30 AM
In capturing HDMI with recorder, just kill all overlays with recording there a switch for that.

Hi, I´m using the same build from february you suggested as very solid, I haven´t had any problem with it, it´s working really well, but I still cannot manage to find the way to kill ALL overlays when recording RAW, as when recording starts, a small camera showing buffering and elapsed recording time comes up on the upper right corner. Can you or anyone please help me on this issue explaining how to take off this overlay for recording a 100% clean hdmi output while recording RAW? Of course I know I will not be able to record RAW on HDMI, but my purpose is to capture ProRes on a Ninja2 while recording RAW internally. Many thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 22, 2014, 04:56:23 AM
There two ways to clear overlays when recording the live view.
In the MLV/Raw video menu where is says "Status when recording"
you have three option:
1)None
2)Icon --> this what you have enabled
3)Debug--> I run this mode
So there pick #1
Or the Main one is under the Display Menu half way down "Clear overlays"
pick "Recording" 
That's it
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ManuR on April 24, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
There two ways to clear overlays when recording the live view.
In the MLV/Raw video menu where is says "Status when recording"
you have three option:
1)None
2)Icon --> this what you have enabled
3)Debug--> I run this mode
So there pick #1
Or the Main one is under the Display Menu half way down "Clear overlays"
pick "Recording" 
That's it

Got it! Now it works perfectly. What does the debug option that you run enable? Thank you very much!!!!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 24, 2014, 08:01:16 PM
Got it! Now it works perfectly. What does the debug option that you run enable? Thank you very much!!!!
Debug give you file information, Data rate, length in minute, idle state, very useful to know how much GB you recorded etc... I can't live with out it , give it a try
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on April 26, 2014, 04:32:12 AM
Hello, I recently picked up a 5DM2 (upgrade from 650D with ML) and have Feb 16 2014 build installed as per @reddeercity... my question is how to get 3x crop mode working. I saw this post http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0 but it focuses on the 5DM3 and seems like a kind of convoluted procedure, has the process to engage 3x crop mode been streamlined or is it just different for the 5DM2 from what's posted for the 5DM3 or is it not available for the Feb 16 build or am I doing something wrong when I'm trying to follow the posted procedure?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 26, 2014, 07:27:26 AM
Hello, I recently picked up a 5DM2 (upgrade from 650D with ML) and have Feb 16 2014 build installed as per @reddeercity... my question is how to get 3x crop mode working. I saw this post http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5441.0 but it focuses on the 5DM3 and seems like a kind of convoluted procedure, has the process to engage 3x crop mode been streamlined or is it just different for the 5DM2 from what's posted for the 5DM3 or is it not available for the Feb 16 build or am I doing something wrong when I'm trying to follow the posted procedure?

Thank you!
Hello, no 5D Mark 2 is far easier it's kind of funny I'm just Compressing a Crop Mode Video Tutorial for the 5D Mark 2, should have up in in the next 2 or 3 hours.
but in the mean time, Just press the zoom button once then go to the ML menu in the MLV/Raw Menu select your crop size frame up to 2144x1076 1.90:1
The Max I can capture continuous at 23.976p is 2048x872 with audio 44.1, 2048x1024 about 300 to 400 frames.

Edit: Here the link to the 3x Crop mode tutorial---> http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11205.msg112969#msg112969
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on April 26, 2014, 02:26:07 PM
Thank you @reddeercity for your quick response and sharing your extensive knowledge of ML features with all of us!

Great video by the way, as always of course :) Looking forward to playing with the 5DM2 and your future post...

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on April 26, 2014, 07:54:48 PM
Thank you @reddeercity for your quick response and sharing your extensive knowledge of ML features with all of us!

Great video by the way, as always of course :) Looking forward to playing with the 5DM2 and your future post...
Thanks, I'm glad it help you out  :)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 01, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
Where can I download an older version on RAW2DNG? I use After Effects CS4...
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 01, 2014, 02:07:07 PM
Where can I download an older version on RAW2DNG? I use After Effects CS4...

did you get it in my attachment?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 01, 2014, 03:07:12 PM
Hi,

...no I did not get anything did you send it to my PM?
You may also try my personal mail johnny_armani@hotmail.com

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 03, 2014, 09:44:44 AM
Thank you for sending me the older version of RAW2DNG.exe now the converted DNG files does open in my AF CS4. Only thing there is no option to change it to 16bit in the camera RAW window. Like I do can change when I open de DNG files in Photoshop where I make them and save them as TIFF. So don't know if that is a big problem? Also when using AF directly there you skip a step to make them TIFF first.. don't know if that  harms the quality? Have to say it saves me alot of time though!

After effects is pretty new to me but I learning every day thanks to this great forum with amazing people like you!

At the moment I like to know if I need to change anything in these AF windows "Based on best settings" and "based on lossless"

I only change it to 32bit and to trillion colors quicktime blackmagic 10bit codec. But like you can see there are may other pulldown menu options... What should I change more to get the best quality?

And then I put the file in sony vegas 11.... maybe someone can tell me the best export settings and codec in vegas for youtube/vimeo

Best regards and happy shooting!

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2909%2F14071148596_630b19c00c_c.jpg&hash=ee260086922e8dba4e2754e7c2f2196f)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2897%2F14094244265_5cae159f6f_c.jpg&hash=4f30a1c24b855b574d48703e243c6baa)

Sony vegas 11 settings: first picture is of matchig videosettings of the original exported AF file.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7397%2F14094897274_7a812f17b3_c.jpg&hash=57a2345c4490c839fbcc132e70bb8ffe)

Rendering settings:

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5445%2F14094439175_12f2645078_c.jpg&hash=81ac2d399771b4c2c99b50c06b204ed2)



But sadly the result video does not look as crisp like others... so maybe someone see what is going wrong in my post workflow?


Thank you!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 04, 2014, 03:10:49 AM
Please help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on May 04, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
in your project settings "32bit float Video level" Gamma 2.2 change that to linear (make sure to watch your Scopes)
and uncheck the "Adjust Source Media" , when I worked in Vegas-9 I know that would kill the image quality
some how, and turn off the Automatic AVC encoding option , use multiply h264 passes. play around with your settings.
 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 05, 2014, 10:37:13 PM
Hi friends!

I think it goes and looks better now!

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: tarakarama on May 06, 2014, 01:50:55 PM
Here is my first RAW test video.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 07, 2014, 01:50:31 PM
Wow, image quality looks great guys!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Sufiancool on May 08, 2014, 12:21:55 AM
So whats New People ? anything new for 5DMKii ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: poromaa on May 19, 2014, 11:46:52 PM
Seems like this thread is "dead", but I have just successfully finished a 3 day shoot using two 64GB Sandisk 160MB/s cards and a 5D2, shooting raw at 1856x942. I ended up with about 520GB of MLV-files. I used the May 5th build as I wanted to test it before using it in production.

In total i got around 10 corrupted takes out of 313. 5 of these where early stop frame drop after just 1 sec (?), and so also easy to discover. One or two might have occured while filming in 3x crop mode. Only two corrupted takes had pink frames (just one pink frame), but these two takes was recorded while using an external HDMI-monitor (Peak 5.6" 1280x800) so that's probably the reason. Also one take got corrupted because card got full.

So far the result looks great (I think) Here are some frames graded in LR just for reference:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/poromaa/sets/72157644740100612/

cheers
Joakim

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ted ramasola on May 19, 2014, 11:52:50 PM
Wow. Great looking images there poromaa.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on May 20, 2014, 12:42:25 AM
 @poromaa   Very nice indeed !
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: poromaa on May 20, 2014, 07:42:43 AM
Thanks!
For this test I extracted the frames with the MlRawViewer. Read about some people having issues with strange pattern from the debayering algorithm? Does that apply for MLV from the 5D2 as well? If so, What is the current best method to convert the MLV to DNG/CDNG at the moment?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: AntonioPantoja on May 21, 2014, 09:18:11 PM
Seems like this thread is "dead", but I have just successfully finished a 3 day shoot using two 64GB Sandisk 160MB/s cards and a 5D2, shooting raw at 1856x942. I ended up with about 520GB of MLV-files. I used the May 5th build as I wanted to test it before using it in production.

In total i got around 10 corrupted takes out of 313. 5 of these where early stop frame drop after just 1 sec (?), and so also easy to discover. One or two might have occured while filming in 3x crop mode. Only two corrupted takes had pink frames (just one pink frame), but these two takes was recorded while using an external HDMI-monitor (Peak 5.6" 1280x800) so that's probably the reason. Also one take got corrupted because card got full.

So far the result looks great (I think) Here are some frames graded in LR just for reference:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/poromaa/sets/72157644740100612/

cheers
Joakim


this is some of the most phenomenal footage i've ever seen. seriously. GREAT WORK. i would absolutely love to see your post workflow. my brother, this is AMAZING.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 22, 2014, 03:12:31 PM
Here's a short video I shot using MLV raw on my 5DM2 with 17-40mm f4.0L lens.

Question, can anyone tell me what that flickering 'stringy' looking stuff in the lower left quadrant of the frame is? You can really see it at the end of the video after the train passes.

Freight Train using Magic Lantern RAW MLV on Canon 5D Mark II

https://vimeo.com/96067248 (https://vimeo.com/96067248)


Shot this freight train in upstate NY USA in spring of 2014 as 1856x790@23.976fps. Equipment used was Canon 5D Mark II with 17-40mm f4.0L lens and UV filter. Post processing on Mac consisted of using MLVMystic to convert MLV to DNGs, then opened DNG sequence in Adobe Camera Raw where I adjusted exposure and applied lens correction. Followed by importing DNG sequence into Adobe After Effects where I upresed to 1920x818 and exported as animation, then converted to ProRes 4444 using QuickTime.

Of course for Vimeo upload, I converted to H264 @ 10Mbps :-(
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: poromaa on May 22, 2014, 05:06:35 PM
Are you a blonde?
I think its a hair, stuck on the lens blowing in the wind. :) Do you get it when shooting anything else?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 22, 2014, 09:44:19 PM
Are you a blonde?
I think its a hair, stuck on the lens blowing in the wind. :) Do you get it when shooting anything else?

No, short brown hair :-)

I agree with you that it looks like a hair or thin frazzle of twine or something, but I had a matte box on, so not that it would be impossible, but I thought it unlikely something would be caught on the lens area without me seeing it against the matte box, but I didn't specifically check that area of the camera, just didn't notice anything obvious.

I haven't shot anything else yet, so yeah, some more equipment trouble-shooting to do before any conclusions are drawn, but I had heard about 'banding' on the 5DM3 and don't really know what that actually looks like, so I figured I'd ask.

Ok, just got a serious TORNADO warning for my area, so I'm taking cover right now and will check back soon if I still have a house and computer to login with :-/
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: poromaa on May 22, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
Luck to you and your home!
take care
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 22, 2014, 11:13:41 PM
Luck to you and your home!
take care

Thank you! Tornado hit a few miles south of me a few minutes after I got off-line above, actually near (at?) the place I work, but I ended up leaving early today. Here's a video of the hail storm from my backyard (sorry mods, but I didn't actually shoot this with my 5DM2 :-(

http://youtu.be/PsNLvA3szIU (http://youtu.be/PsNLvA3szIU)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 26, 2014, 07:48:48 PM
Are you a blonde?
I think its a hair, stuck on the lens blowing in the wind. :) Do you get it when shooting anything else?

So, yeah, there was something stuck around on the lens apparently, cause when I looked at other footage of around the same time you can see it more clearly in a slightly higher location, looks like a strand of a spider web or something. Glad it's not more serious :-)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 27, 2014, 03:58:29 PM


still can't get crisp render video with sony vegas 12 pro.

Settings are bluray tamplate .mp4 25mbs.... :(

Can someone help me?


Compared to this video..... What rendering settings should I use to het this crispyness footage!?

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kharak on May 27, 2014, 05:46:14 PM
The Ducati video is filmed on the MK III so it's native 1920x1080 it also seems to have proper Light setups in the the garage which is more important than just camera speccs.

Your video seems not to be even upscaled to HD

Other than that your video seems to have a lot of compression, more than normal youtube compression. But it's hard to tell.

I'm pretty sure Vegas has a template for youtube, which you should use and then tweak for extra quality.

And the grass is always greener on the other side.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 28, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
@johnny5D

Also, who knows what else they did in post? Could have used mattes, windows, modified raw import settings, etc.

Suggestion, for higher quality video viewing, try Vimeo at max bitrate instead.

EDIT: You may have rendered at 25 Mbps, but for sure youtube re-encoded it much lower. Find youtubes and vimeos recommended upload settings per format and resolution and encode your videos to those settings, so that they don't do it for you, which if that's the case who knows which bitrate they are using?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: johnny5d on May 29, 2014, 01:17:58 AM
Thanks Jimmy!...

I found this video of someone that clams this is the best rendering settings for youtube
What do you guys think about this settings?   (8mbs .wmv):


Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on May 29, 2014, 11:45:51 PM
I don't use Sony Vegas, but it all sounds right to me. I'm sure those settings will render your video best for YouTube presentation.

But no doubt what @Kharak and I said above is more important to the 'look' of your videos than anything else. Regarding that Ducati video, certainly lighting when it was shot is critical to it's look and probably some creative color grading in post as well.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mihaii on June 30, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
Where can I find the latest build?

it's the one on 2014-02-14 ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Walter Schulz on June 30, 2014, 09:55:53 PM
Top of page -> Downloads -> Browse Nightly Builds
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Robbe on July 05, 2014, 07:37:44 PM
Installed latest nighly build (tried also with earlier versions), loaded raw_rec module and reboot.
The Menu/Modules shows raw_rec OK, but Menu/Movies are all dimmed and no green dot. In Menu/Modules/RAW video shows N/A, but I can set resolution and record.
Just after recording, the green dot lights and showing resolution. But when reboot there is no resolution showing and no green dots. Have to start over again every time.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: judewk on July 07, 2014, 11:32:46 AM
help

having an issue with shooting raw,
tried both . raw & mvl and
have teh same problem were i cannot change  the shutter speed or iso
once RAW recording starts

i get the following warning message
i have selected M on the dial and Auto exposure!!! set LV display : movie from exp menu
so i go to the canon menu set, live view function settings and set to movie display
but each time i return to menu the arrow is points to stills+movie

 when shooting non raw video teh shutter & iso changes show in the monitor/ apply to teh video

have reset the camera, re installed magic lantern,  all to no avail
tryed diff nityly bulds please help

help!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: dd2020 on July 16, 2014, 07:38:35 PM

My first music vid shot from MagicLantern 5Dll

Thank you guys very much... for good great creation...

Title: Finally i did a job with ML RAW on MKII
Post by: matthieu on August 02, 2014, 12:51:34 PM
When ML RAW was "released" i just had to buy a MKII. Since then i played around all this time and spent a good amount of time in this forum.
So i thought that now, that i finally realised a project using ML RAW i would share some thoughts here too.
This is the final film:
(I actually dint't get my Vimeo Movie to embbed here - someone knows how to..?) -thanks jimmyD30  ;)

I shot it with very skeleton crew - only me  ;D  So it was quite a hassle, but i had all the freedom on this project. So i gave it a try.
The post-workflow again was a lot of work. I had about 250-300 GB of material. I previewed my MLV files in "MlRawViewer" and exported DNG sequences.  Those worked fine in premiere luckily - so i was able to do a reference-cut. After that i had to process all used DNG files through After Effects (camera raw) to get my colors.
The grading was done in premiere.
For the slo-mo i used twixtor (mostly in premiere again).  A lot of footage dind't work for twixtor though - so this unfortunately reduced my selection. It would have been really good to have had filmed on 60fps.  But well, not even on the MKIII you are able to film 60fps on a "real" format.

To sum it up - i am really pleased with what you can do with ML RAW.  The workflow is a bit tough but i would do it again. Only the limitations of the MKII could be a showstopper (mainly format-wise).  I didnt have a lot of problems with the aliasing - but i am shure they would show up when you least need it! ;P   If i do it again i will probably shoot on a MKIII - which i will rent, i guess. But this experience also aroused my interest to higher end RAW cams and working with them - probably with a proper DOP then though ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: jimmyD30 on August 02, 2014, 04:23:26 PM
Looks good!

Yes, remove 's' from 'https' ;)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: barepixels on August 02, 2014, 06:53:50 PM
matthieu, good job bro.  thanks for sharing with us
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guentergunter on September 08, 2014, 08:10:01 PM
I have a really big problem with banding!

I post it here first - but maybe it's worth a new threat?
Since it's not like what I've seen over the past by myself or by others.

Here's a frame demonstrating the problem:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ktip4trlrqriiuq/Fehler.jpg?dl=0

Here are also the 16-bit CinemaDNG files:
DNGs from RAWMagic (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mui2otlmep3gxpc/DNG_from_RAWMagic.zip?dl=0)
DNGs from raw2cdng (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5h4xkkjsesgvva9/DNG_from_raw2cdng.zip?dl=0)
Both programms are the very latest versions.

After three hours on the set, the problem appeared in the middle of a take and then periodically repeated through some following takes. Then it disappeared again and after one hour or so it came back.

I tried to reproduce the problem (overheating, different frame rates (since I shot 24.000 for the first time), all CF-cards used that day, that old build and the latest build with mlv) without success.

It's recorded with raw_rec.mo from an old nightly from last year. The reason for this is:
I didn't have the time to study latest developments and wanted to go safe using a build I already and successfully recorded three short movies with.
Anyway: The problem looks like a sensor error, since it's moving through the frame from bottom to top (with a duration of 2-3 frames).

I'm also afraid of just using MLV - since I'm not sure, if the problem really comes from that old build or rather from ML or the cam.


Any help would highly be appreciated!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 09, 2014, 12:40:09 AM
@guentergunter, To me looks like Card write problems , I use to see this with my Slower Cards at higher frame resolution (Sandisk 60Mb/s cards).
Did you try a older build of raw2cdng to convert ?
I use Version 1.4.9 as it is the only version that can be read Cross platform (Mac/PC) with out green or pink cast at 16bit.

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I'm also afraid of just using MLV - since I'm not sure, if the problem really comes from that old build or rather from ML or the cam

I have been using MLV+Audio Nightly Build since Feb,15/2014 for all my work and it have never let me down once.
I still use Raw v1.0 build from back in Oct 2013 for 3x Crop video mode in 2K .
So I don't think ML is the problem , More to do with Getting Hot and Card Write issue.
I know when my Lexar 1000x 64GB gets too hot it will drop frame even on lower resolution ,
usually after about an hour or so, and that's with 5D2.

What CF Cards are you using ?
What Raw build are you using ?


 


Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: guentergunter on September 09, 2014, 08:23:21 AM
Thank you reddeercity!

@guentergunter, To me looks like Card write problems , I use to see this with my Slower Cards at higher frame resolution (Sandisk 60Mb/s cards).
Did you try an older build of raw2cdng to convert ?
I use Version 1.4.9 as it is the only version that can be read Cross platform (Mac/PC) with out green or pink cast at 16bit.

The pink cast is no big problem - since I convert and edit the footage in ProRes4444.
But I'll try that version out! Maybe I'll switch to native CDNG-editing in the future.

So I don't think ML is the problem , More to do with Getting Hot and Card Write issue.
I know when my Lexar 1000x 64GB gets too hot it will drop frame even on lower resolution ,
usually after about an hour or so, and that's with 5D2.

What CF Cards are you using ?
What Raw build are you using ?

I'm using two Lexar 1000x card (64GB and 32GB) and one SanDisc Extreme Pro 90MB/s (32GB).
I used the "magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2013Sep08.5D2212" together with a.d.'s modification "6bb97bcbc0f4" (also build around this date).

Now that you say it: It could have been a heat problem.
Since the problem occurred on at least two cards (I don't remember witch ones), all brands are affected.


Would you say, that the actual nightly build "magiclantern-Nightly.2014Sep01.5D2212" is safe for production work?
Anyone knows which temperature is critical?


Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 10, 2014, 12:02:05 AM
Hey the Same CF Cards I have,  :) Not to sure about the Sept 1st Nightly builds for productions work.
There's still some things broken like Card Format (wipe the whole card) .
So I would say no for now as it looks like no one is maintaining 5D2 builds , seem everyone
is all over the 5d3,7d with silence pictures and workflow problems and have forgot about Raw Video  :(
I personally use the Oct A.D. build & the Feb16th nightly build .
2 reasons I still use the feb build . Everything work, there is no non functional features everything
works like it should, never crashes even with HDMI attach and displays properly .
Of course I still the have the benefit of 1872 , also proper framing in 3x crop mode with the half shutter button in Color.

But on the bright side the new nightly with the SRM job memory buffers works better with Slower CF cards but no advantage
for faster 1000x Cards at least on the 5d2. 
Its seem after  Mid Feb. the nightly builds seem to have increasing problems that could not be trusted for paid work.
As the links are gone for those builds , ML dose not want those links posted publicly any more,
if you PM I will give you the links that I  saved , and there still work .



   
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Boygetslost on September 14, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Hey everyone.
I have been using the 5d2 raw for a while, here is my latest film. I made with it.
I have two questions I am hoping someone might have an answer to.

1. Can we output a better then 420p hdmi signal for focusing with magic lantern?
2. What is the fasted constant recording we can get at the moment?
I have had results up to 1872x 940. Though I have heard we can get higher. I would love a little more resolution, are there any recommended settings to get slightly more resolution. Im using a 64gb komputer bay card.
Thanks
Chris


Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: mihaii on September 19, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
What is the stable resolution for MLV on 5D mark II ?
i tried 1856 with an 1.85 ratio but on my both two cards it stopped after 30 seconds or so (Komputerbay 1000X 64GB and Lexar 32GB 1000x)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: oc_masta on September 25, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
Is anyone using an EF-S Lens with their mark2 and shooting in crop mode RAW.
Seems like the perfect solution for 2k raw that is moire free.

It would only make a 1.7x crop recording using an EF-S lens. So a tokina 11-16mm f2.8 becomes a 18-27mm (APS-C equivalent).
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs30.postimg.org%2Fukuhaznjl%2F5d_M2_ML_RAW.png&hash=c67f5be28eb54696f1af76aa5c85cac8)
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 25, 2014, 10:31:54 PM
Quote
What is the stable resolution for MLV on 5D mark II ?
i tried 1856 with an 1.85 ratio but on my both two cards it stopped after 30 seconds or so (Komputerbay 1000X 64GB and Lexar 32GB 1000x)

For continuous recording of MLV+Audio the maximum Frame  Size 1856x928  23.976p 1:1 or if you have the
Mid Feb nightly build it's 1872x936 23.976p 2:1 AR plus HDMI connected.
If you have the Oct '13 Raw v1.0 you can get 1856x1004
23.976p 1.85:1 AR. continuous with 1000x CF card with HDMI connected.
I use Lexar 1000x 64(14 min.) & 32(8 min) GB cards, 1856x**** 1.85:1 AR is NOT continuous with MLV Raw v2.0
In 3x crop mode 1920x960 23.976p is continuous also,
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Frank7D on September 25, 2014, 10:39:38 PM
oc_masta, you can't put an EF-S lens on an EF camera (but you can put an EF lens on an EF-S camera). Of course, The Tokina you mentioned is an EF lens.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: oc_masta on September 26, 2014, 12:18:55 AM
Yes you can, and the tokina 11-16mm is an EF-S lens:

Only certain EF-S lenses, where the rear element moves into the camera body when focussing, will have issues in a EF body.

EDIT: surely I can't have been the first to figure this out ?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: walter_schulz on September 26, 2014, 06:47:05 AM
Please don't mix up terms.
EF-S is a mount introduced and used by Canon only. It was derived from EF mount.
Because Canon's EF-S lenses are built to have a shortened distance between last lens group and sensor they will damage cameras with full frame sensors! Mirror will collide.

EF-S lenses have a smaller image circle and that would cause mechanical vignetting (= blackened corners) in APS-C cams.
Third parties like Sigma, Tamron, Tokina (and others) build lenses with smaller image circle intended to be used on APS-C cams only. These are not EF-S mounts.

There are some hardware hacks available to shorten the prolonged part of an EF-S lens so you may use it on full frame cams. 17-55/2.8 comes to mind.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: oc_masta on September 26, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
Quote
Please don't mix up terms.
EF-S is a mount introduced and used by Canon only. It was derived from EF mount.
Because Canon's EF-S lenses are built to have a shortened distance between last lens group and sensor they will damage cameras with full frame sensors! Mirror will collide.
umm, thats exactly what i said, but only some will cause problems. Just to be clear, the mounts are IDENTICAL aswell as the flange distance.

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EF-S lenses have a smaller image circle and that would cause mechanical vignetting (= blackened corners) in APS-C cams.
Third parties like Sigma, Tamron, Tokina (and others) build lenses with smaller image circle intended to be used on APS-C cams only. These are not EF-S mounts.

Obviously the point of my statement was that an EF-S lens would project onto a smaller APS-C sensor, hence why they would be perfect for 2k ML CROP RAW on a full frame sensor?
Also, Third parties do make lenses for EF and EF-S mounts, (sigma lenses denoted with DG and DC for example).  EF-S does of course mean that the lens is designed to project onto the smaller APS-C sensor, therefore it would obviously cause a vignette on a full frame, everyone knows that. My point is, its perfect for crop mode raw recording, thats it.

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Lasting Image on September 30, 2014, 01:10:03 AM
Hi - I'm considering ML on my 5D2 for RAW underwater video. From what I've seen the improvement in clarity may be worth the effort of learning this stuff. Since I'm a newbe at this, here are some basic questions - and sorry to any of you who are saying to themselves, oh God, again? :

1) Are there any recommendations on where to look specifically for ML and 5DII underwater use?
2) Card times - how much total raw video (min/sec) can I capture on different size/make of cards?
3) When mentioning "dropped frames" what exactly does that mean? I'm assuming it means that some limit of the card has been reached. --??
4) From what I've been reading it seems I'll need to shoot in 20ish second segments until the card is full - correct?
5) Do you know of any examples of irreparable damage to 5DII's that have installed ML?
6) Are there things I need to take into consideration I may be missing before taking the leap?

Thanks for any replies!



 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on September 30, 2014, 05:37:21 AM
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Hi - I'm considering ML on my 5D2 for RAW underwater video

I'm a 5D2 User  :D

1) Can you explain further ? Maybe Just 3x Crop Mode (no line skipping & almost "0" moire & aliasing)
2)Min. Card Spec is 1000X CF(Lexar Work very well Or Komputerbay)  for Raw ,
64 GB will get about 12-14 minutes & the 32 GB = about 7-8 minutes @ 1856x928 @23.97p
In theory you can Capture up to 1856x1250 3:2 AR 1:1 mode for up to 10+ Seconds I think, on older Raw v1.0 builds
I was getting up to 1880x1250 23.976 for about 15+ seconds. In 3x Crop mode you can capture up to 2144x1076 @ 23.976 for about 10-15 Seconds
but I use 2048x1024 can get about 30 second to 1 min.
3)When the Write speed can no longer be maintained .
4)No, you can record Continuously @ 1856x928 @ 23.976 until the Cards full , with a 1000X CF. (look at #2 answer)
and in 3x crop mode its 2048x872 @ 23.976p .
5)I have used ML Raw for every project since June/2013 and Never a Problem , but caution should always be used, ( it's not for the faint of hearts)
You can brick you camera but I really haven't heard of any cases since raw or ever, but there's always someone somewhere .
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Lasting Image on September 30, 2014, 06:21:19 AM
Thanks for the reply reddeercity!

Maybe Just 3x Crop Mode ...   
Min. Card Spec is 1000X CF(Lexar Work very well Or Komputerbay) for Raw...   
In 3x Crop mode you can capture up to 2144x1076 @ 23.976 for about 10-15 Seconds...   
When the Write speed can no longer be maintained...   
and Never a Problem --

I don't think 3x Crop Mode is an option for me considering the water clarity where I'm shooting - need the full frame 15mm fisheye.
I've been pointed towards the SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB CompactFlash Memory Card UDMA 7, 160MB/s.  How does that compare to the Lexar or Komputerbay for RAW? I'm not sure what 1000x means.
If understand correctly then, I am limited to a certain amount of time, like your 10 -15 seconds, depending on if I'm putting tons of data onto the card but can record continuously if it doesn't overwhelm the card speed? Is that correct?
The more I read (it's been a lot) the more I feel like problems are rare and easy to correct if encountered. Sure hope that's the case because I think I'm going to go for it!

Thanks again reddeercity!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Nando5000 on October 01, 2014, 02:33:04 PM
Hey guys I have been wondering. I seem to have the problem that while recording RAW the camera keeps changing color temperature automatically. Even when I have set my color temperature at 5500 Kelvin. It still changes or does an automatic white balance. Is there a way to turn that off?
Have you guys experience the same problem?

On another topic, I did this video with RAW a while back. There I also experienced some difficulties with changing color temperature. However, I was in some way able to fix it on Resolve. I also made the mistake to try to grade the Apple Pro Res files and not the DNGs. Which made things a little difficult.


Anyways, if anyone has experienced the same problems and has a solution please let me know! 
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: reddeercity on October 02, 2014, 03:49:26 AM
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I don't think 3x Crop Mode is an option for me considering the water clarity where I'm shooting
It's not that, It really when you shoot fine patterns or angler objects and better low light performance ,
because of line skipping and pixel binding in 1:1 and 3x crop mode is 1:1 pixels no pixel binding.

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I've been pointed towards the SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB CompactFlash Memory Card UDMA 7, 160MB/s.  How does that compare to the Lexar or Komputerbay for RAW?
Lexar are top cards and the most reliable but cost a little more, Sandisk are fine it come down to cost and the valve you put
on the footage. If you are filming on a paid job then I would go for the best (Lexar) if not then Sandisk or the Komputerbay
will work. But the Lexar is faster , and record more frames @ very high resolution size before it drop frames.

Quote
I'm not sure what 1000x means.
The speed of the CF Card
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash
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CompactFlash IDE (ATA) emulation speed is usually specified in "x" ratings, e.g. 8x, 20x, 133x. This is the same system used for CD-ROMs and indicates the maximum transfer rate in the form of a multiplier based on the original audio CD data transfer rate, which is 150 kByte/s.
R = {K \cdot 150}, kByte/s
where R = transfer rate, K = speed rating. For example, 133x rating means transfer speed of: 133 * 150 kByte/s = 19,950 kByte/s ~ 20 MB/s.
The speed rating quoted is almost always the read speed, while write speed is often slower.

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If understand correctly then, I am limited to a certain amount of time, like your 10 -15 seconds, depending on if I'm putting tons of data onto the card but can record continuously if it doesn't overwhelm the card speed? Is that correct?
Yes, because of the CF card interface is limited to about 80 MB/s verses the 5D3 at about 95-120MB/s.

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The more I read (it's been a lot) the more I feel like problems are rare and easy to correct if encountered. Sure hope that's the case because I think I'm going to go for it!
Good ! once you go raw you won't go back to h264 no matter on tough the raw workflow is. ;)

Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Veerle on October 02, 2014, 05:06:29 AM
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Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: SpcCb on October 02, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
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I keep reading that Sandisk cards are cheaper.. But in my experience Sandisk cards are always more expensive...
What I find:
Sandisk Extreme Pro 128GB 160mb/s; $350
Lexar professional 128GB 1066x; $250

Am I missing something..?
Maybe it depends of the country (market place) ?
In Europe Sandisk is more expensive than Lexar, and a quick view in Asia show me it looks same.

However Sandisk _specially last products_ are more reliable in extreme conditions; we use it because all other brands (tested) cannot work fine at -30°C, +60°C, under HF vibrations, condensed humidity, etc.
Of course, for a regular use no need to pay an extra cost for this.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Lasting Image on October 03, 2014, 04:52:51 PM
raindeercity - Thanks again! That really helps!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: alex.chu.75 on November 27, 2014, 11:57:38 AM
Weekday does Oli mean by regression?
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on October 13, 2015, 11:26:37 AM
I was wondering. How does work the CF by Komputerbay 128gb 1050X (or 1060X). Last time I remember people had some problems with it, has the situation evolved?
A the moment I'm using 64gb 1000X.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 13, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
http://magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=15998
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: togg on October 15, 2015, 12:38:13 PM
ops, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2 (Black levels)
Post by: AC B on March 24, 2016, 06:13:48 AM
Hey guys. Can anyone tell me how to adjust the black levels, i cant find the option to do so only on and off...
Thanks
Peace
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Karmaschinken on October 28, 2020, 09:50:19 PM
Hello nice girls and guys. Wow, what an old thread this has become. I was once among the first who bought a 5D2 and followed the way of ML when the RAW version was released once. Then for years I did not use my 5D2 at all.

Now due to Corona I have to somehow step back into my old business and was wondering, if the RAW filming with the 5D2 has progressed.

Actually I can't find a clear description of what can be achieved with the 5D2 now. So could someone please help me:

I want to shoot 5 or 6 seconds of RAW footage with the highest possible resolution. I don't care so much about fps but resolution is important. So is there a way to make my good old 5D2 record in FullHD at say 20 fps or so? Or even better? I tried, but did not succeed. However I read that ML is capable of that?

Thanks! Martin
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Bender@arsch on October 28, 2020, 09:53:30 PM
Read the first Post;}

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=19336.msg232235;topicseen#msg232235
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Karmaschinken on October 28, 2020, 11:06:23 PM
Ok, that was exactly what I was looking for. However I had the dream that it was possible to just lower the framerate to say 20 fps to make it possible to set recording resolution to 1920x1080. So I will check if I can go along with the crop mode or if I scale up the 1880 to 1920. Thanks!
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Boygetslost on January 10, 2021, 05:52:52 PM
Hey everyone, I have been using my 5d2 with an external monitor and I have found that the records times are slightly reduced.

I have Global draw set to turn off when recording and I don't have the sound module.

In other peoples experience, is there any settings I can tweak to squeeze some more performance out of it?

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: ZEEK on January 10, 2021, 11:31:39 PM
Shoot with 10 bit enabled on the 5D2 if you haven't done so already.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Kharak on January 11, 2021, 09:19:54 PM
Hey everyone, I have been using my 5d2 with an external monitor and I have found that the records times are slightly reduced.

I have Global draw set to turn off when recording and I don't have the sound module.

In other peoples experience, is there any settings I can tweak to squeeze some more performance out of it?

Cheers
Chris

You can lower the resolution slightly until you reach continues or satisfactory record times, but this will crop the image relatively ofcourse

or lower the Bit Depth.
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Boygetslost on January 12, 2021, 06:40:56 PM
Thanks everyone.

I actually went back to the last nightly build from 2018, for stability issues, one of the experimental builds I was using seems to corrupt files every now and then. I am only interested in using 14bit raw anyway.

I am having issues with my external monitor, sometimes I get pink flickers for a second and my last batch if clips had flickering issues that ruined them.

Is there a problem with the 5d2 and using an external monitor in raw?
(Both the experimental build and the older nightly build, seemed to cause some issues when I plugged my Cinieroid HDMI EVF/monitor).

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: Raw video on 5DMK2
Post by: Milk and Coffee on February 23, 2021, 05:05:16 AM
Thanks everyone.

I actually went back to the last nightly build from 2018, for stability issues, one of the experimental builds I was using seems to corrupt files every now and then. I am only interested in using 14bit raw anyway.

I am having issues with my external monitor, sometimes I get pink flickers for a second and my last batch if clips had flickering issues that ruined them.

Is there a problem with the 5d2 and using an external monitor in raw?
(Both the experimental build and the older nightly build, seemed to cause some issues when I plugged my Cinieroid HDMI EVF/monitor).

Thanks
Chris

I have the same issue recording in both 10 and 12 bit using an external monitor.