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Title: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 12, 2012, 10:36:53 PM

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Finally, the first Magic Lantern release for the 7D is here!

It is still an early alpha version, so here are a few things you should know:

* it was primarily tested on one 7D, and a few days on three other 7D's;
* during those tests we took 1000 photos and gigabytes of videos;
* there were no crashes or strange behaviors during our tests;
* this release will not alter any data in your camera's permanent memory;
* this release will not directly alter any so-called "properties" (persistent camera settings);
* this means, some functions like HDR photos, HDR videos, bulb ramping etc will not work yet;
* it is not a firmware upgrade, despite the camera saying "Firmware update program";
* we have disabled all features that are not yet working perfectly;
* please don't beg for adding feature XYZ, it will be added as soon as it works without issues.

But:
* If anything goes wrong, we don't pay for repairs. Use Magic Lantern at your own risk!

Key Features:
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* Audio meters while recording
* Zebras
* Focus peaking
* Magic Zooom (via half-shutter, or focus ring)
* Cropmarks, Ghost image
* Spotmeter
* False color
* Histogram, Waveform
* Vectorscope
* Movie logging
* Movie auto stop
* Trap focus
* LiveView settings (brightness, contrast...)
* Level indicator
* Image review tweaks (quick zoom)
* and some debug functions

Known issues:
* When using trap focus, opening card door won't shut down the camera. Simply power off using power switch.
* Formatting the card will also remove Magic Lantern files.
* You have to reload Magic Lantern every time you use it.
* video frame rates in LV are displayed too high (exactly 1.2x)
* make sure your battery is chipped, else canon firmware will abort "firmware update" (=loading ML)

Installation
1) Update camera firmware to 2.0.3
2) Format your CF card from the camera
3) Extract contents of ML .zip into your card's root folder
4) Run "firmware upgrade" once again
5) Voilà. Magic Lantern. (press DELETE for menu)

Technical Details
Why did it take so long to get Magic Lantern running on the 7D?

This is a long story. The workings of single-DIGiC cameras are already well understood.We know how to forge FIRs and we can execute code using this method.Our code gets executed without any interruption to the cameras proper function, we can hook into startup code and simply restart the camera or update the bootflag needed for execution of autoexec.bin.Same applies to autoexec.bin if the bootflag is enabled.

But not so on the Dual-DIGiC 7D cameras.

One DIGiC is called "Master" and the other "Slave." All ML related stuff like GUI, LV etc is running in Slave.The Master cares about focusing, lens communication and some other related technical stuff.So there are two processors that both load the (forged) firmware update program which contains Magic Lantern. But we could not simply reboot the Slave into normal firmware while the firmware update loader is executed. With some tricks like patching the original firmware updater, it was possible to enable the bootflag for autoexec.bin. But even running Magic Lantern in autoexec.bin failed silently. This was the point where our first investigation started stuttering.

After some deeper investigation with new methods like - lets call it "virtual flash patching" by manually patching the processors cache content - we found out that the Master is still running and waits for the Slave to send synchronization signals. If they don't arrive, Master is disabling the Slave where our code runs.Henceforward it was a job of just two weeks to find out what to do and make Magic Lantern start up cleanly and then another two weeks for updating all defines, macros and constants to get the important features running smoothly.

This alpha is a snapshot of what is working reliably enough to begin testing it widely.

Who was involved in developing Magic Lantern for the 7D?
Definitely everyone! As all the features in Magic Lantern came from the many developers contributing to ML.

Although, beyond the usual suspects, there are two key players for the 7D port: Hudson and Indy. They spent an extraordinary amount of time getting the bootflag enabled and building .FIRs that would run perfectly.Without their hard work, there would definitely be no 7D version.

What is still missing?
We can run Magic Lantern from autoexec.bin, but we still can not reliably enable the bootflag to execute it. This means, virgin cameras will only be able to run the .FIR version of ML for now. We know ways to enable the bootflag, but they would involve copyright issues. And that's something we want to avoid.

Also missing is the FPS override feature. We are not sure if this will be possible as it has been in other models.

All HDR features, bulb ramping, and features that require "properties" could possibly work as soon we enable them.For now we will keep the risk at a minimum and slowly test feature after feature - your feedback is important at this stage.


Troubleshooting
After starting the firmware upgrade, if there is only a black screen, but auto-focus works:
* reinstall the firmware v2.0.3 from the links on the right;
* make sure the 7D000203.FIR checksum is correct.
  7D000203.FIR checksum
    SHA-1: 613439A489A46D2691FB54F0DB22232F17E2AA8E
    MD-5: 29AF55CF2B404D2A60220BC9CC579EFD
    WinMD5: www.winmd5.com (http://www.winmd5.com/)

The camera shows no magic lantern, but a standard firmware
* reinstall firmware again, format card and copy ML files again.

What is next?
We have to better understand what Master and Slave are doing exactly.Which one processes MPEG data, which one compresses JPEGs and what could Magic Lantern achieve by understanding this relationship?As the lens communication seems to be handled by the Master – maybe we can change the lens protocol so you can use lenses that have known bugs, or even lenses with a totally different protocol?Maybe we can read the level sensor at higher rates and embed that data into images for automatic leveling? Or even embed into videos?

But first we have to analyze the firmware. And for this we would love to buy a copy of IDA Pro (http://www.hex-rays.com/products/ida/index.shtml) with Hex-Rays Decompiler for ARM (http://www.hex-rays.com/products/decompiler/index.shtml) for our developers, and we cannot afford it easily without your help (https://www.hex-rays.com/cgi-bin/quote.cgi).

We gave our best, our time, and considerable knowledge. So please be kind and support our work!
Magic Lantern is a community effort, and you are now part of that community!

Click here to read this article! (http://www.magiclantern.fm/whats-new/104-articles/releases/140-first-7d-alpha-released)

Download
Magic Lantern for 7D alpha 1 (http://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha1.zip)
Canon firmware v2.0.3 (http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7D.aspx?type=download&page=1)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 12, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
Congratulations and thank youuuuu!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Stedda on October 12, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Congrats to all involved and thanks for you huge efforts!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: JoeNoPhoto on October 12, 2012, 10:44:42 PM
wow. talk about timing. I just donated today! Thanks. Can't wait to give this jawn a try!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 12, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Awesome work!!! It's prople like you that make a difference in the world and make it a better place! Congrats!!!!!!!!! :):):) you made a lot of people happy!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ArturoKiwi on October 12, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
Yuppie! Congratulations and thanks a lot! :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Stedda on October 12, 2012, 10:50:03 PM
Works like a charm... no issues here.

Will be using my camera all day tomorrow... will report back if any thing funny happens.

Time to make another donation... pony up people... lets get these guys what they need to make these Canon cameras even better!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 12, 2012, 10:50:43 PM
THX IS WORK ^^ :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 12, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
Nice job guys.
As for those prices... damn, i didn't know they were so high.
So let's say you get all this stuff, how much can it improve ML? Is that like the last 10% to discover all the good stuff that mother Canon doesn't want us to have?
I hope for more donations anyway, this porting and the upcoming ones should bring some money to your cause.
;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 12, 2012, 10:59:49 PM
So let's say you get all this stuff, how much can it improve ML? Is that like the last 10% to discover all the good stuff that mother Canon doesn't want us to have?

well, it helps us to make our reverse engineering work easier.
there were days where i sat 10 hours in front of the computer, so many of the devs do.

this tool might reduce the time we need to analyze code by factor 2 or more.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 12, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
Is it possible for the 7d to brick if I use another phottix battery instead of the original canon one? Thank you so much waiting for a reply!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Stedda on October 12, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
well, it helps us to make our reverse engineering work easier.
there were days where i sat 10 hours in front of the computer, so many of the devs do.

this tool might reduce the time we need to analyze code by factor 2 or more.

With what you said, as I said before, I REALLY hope you guys decide to keep future releases to Supporters.

If others want it the least they can do is contribute the $10, otherwise wait for final releases like with ML 2.3
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 12, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
Is it possible for the 7d to brick if I use another phottix battery instead of the original canon one?
i dont think it will ever happen, but i cannot guarantee that.
the only thing i think will happen, could be crashes or lock-ups.

but please report, if something weird happens.

With what you said, as I said before, I REALLY hope you guys decide to keep future releases to Supporters.

we don't want to make ML smell like donationware.
we trust on the users (even first-time users) to first see what we've done, then come back and say thanks.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 12, 2012, 11:21:02 PM
For now we will keep the risk at a minimum and slowly test feature after feature - your feedback is important at this stage.

I've been playing with my 7D ML for a while, and everything seems to be running smoothly. Any particular stuff you wish to point our attention to, O Master? :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gmfbln on October 12, 2012, 11:22:07 PM
Congrats and thanks so much! Donated again.

Thank you!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 12, 2012, 11:33:01 PM
Any particular stuff you wish to point our attention to, O Master? :D

just call me georg ;)

as this is an alpha version, some features might work unreliable.
the best is - play with all the features. test them on HDMI. test on a SD monitor. test on a HD.
maybe you have some flash. test it. perhaps that causes ML to behave incorrectly.
or a lens that causes some weird behavior.

and if it works fine, also tell us. this feedback is also important.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 12, 2012, 11:40:21 PM
just call me georg ;)

as this is an alpha version, some features might work unreliable.
the best is - play with all the features. test them on HDMI. test on a SD monitor. test on a HD.
maybe you have some flash. test it. perhaps that causes ML to behave incorrectly.
or a lens that causes some weird behavior.

and if it works fine, also tell us. this feedback is also important.


Will do!

Btw, is the audio meter/monitor supposed to work only during recording? I find that if I have it on live view only, or switched to movie mode (but not recording) the audio monitor would just sit at 0.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 12, 2012, 11:50:03 PM
A similar behavior happens on the 600D with stock firmware, the camera probably powers down the audio IC when unneeded to save power
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 12, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
* Audio meters while recording

yes, only during recording
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 12, 2012, 11:56:41 PM
yes, only during recording

Okay, cool! :D

Still fooling around with my new toy! :3 Very solid release! Great job!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 12, 2012, 11:57:29 PM
1st, thanks for a great work!

2nd, I'm able to run ML with an original battery only.
when the camera is powered from external power source there's a "cannot communicate with battery"
message after loading the FW and the ML is not loaded.

3rd, since my main usage is video the very 1st impression was "where's the sound monitoring?".
having external HDMI monitor connected plugging in the AV cable with headphones turns HDMI off.

just my 5 cents, will play further.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 12:06:54 AM
"cannot communicate with battery" might be some issue because of firmware updating.
maybe the main firmware checks for a fully charged original battery.
thats sad, but i think theres nothing we can do. sorry.

you start the camera with HDMI attached, go into video mode and plug AV cable with headphones.
then the camera switches off HDMI output and retrns to LV display. right?
that does also happen when no ML is running, right?

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 13, 2012, 12:21:01 AM
First time I've played with ML. I've already noticed a bug with the display and leveling. When I have time (about to leave for work) I'll provide details. However, I do want to say that benchmarking a Sandisk Extreme 16GB card (60MB/sec rated) produced this:

(sorry, had to remove the white and make transparent)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcorpus.com%2FMisc-Pics%2FScreens%2FSDE-16GB.png&hash=31a5aae3f4d1413e61f257abc1fd316b)

However, this seems to be very solid and I hope it can be of some use to me on my vacation next week. Thank you very much for your work on this.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 13, 2012, 12:23:15 AM
WOW ! really good ! works gr8 !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

the audio meters works on live preview mode but only once...
i mean , in the first time i open the preview (after i load the ML), you see the meters running . and then i press rec buttun , they run...
but when i stop the rec, they stops running... untill i press rec again...

q: i dont have the monitor the chk this , the hdmi port can send a signal without the red dot ?

THANK YOY VERY MUCH !!!  we all love you !!!! :-*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 13, 2012, 12:24:57 AM
some time ago we discussed with Alex the "cannot communicate with battery" thing
on a stable 2.3 and he found it possible to bypass. maybe this will help.

starting the camera w/o an external HDMI monitror -> starting ML -> connecting external HDMI
-> connecting AV (headphones) = no HDMI, no cam LCD

starting the camera WITH an external HDMI monitror and AV (headphones)-> starting ML =
HDMI dows work, headphones do work, realtime sound monitoring and levels on STBY.
pushing REC disables headphones. after cutting (pushing REC againg) - no levels, no headphones.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 13, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
I get a "MLDATA/FONTS.dat retry" message on boot, and while ML loads, the text on the screen displays and menus is garbled (its displayed like random noise).

I'm going to clean out the system, reflash 2.0.3, then retry ML to see if this persists...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 12:36:45 AM
Try with another card too.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 13, 2012, 12:37:41 AM
q: i dont have the monitor the chk this , the hdmi port can send a signal without the red dot ?

even if REC/STBY notif: OFF and Global Draw disabled the red dot IS there on external HDMI.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 12:39:52 AM
If you have Clear Overlays under Display menu, try that.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 13, 2012, 12:41:31 AM
I get a "MLDATA/FONTS.dat retry" message on boot, and while ML loads, the text on the screen displays and menus is garbled (its displayed like random noise).

I'm going to clean out the system, reflash 2.0.3, then retry ML to see if this persists...

Ok, I took the same download, and unpacked the zip with a different archive utility, not Mac OSX's built in archive tool, recopied to the card, and ML works fine.

So, if anybody is updating using a Mac, be aware that's it's *possible* the inbuilt zip tool might be corrupted the firmware download. I'll try again to verify this is the case and report back.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 13, 2012, 12:43:22 AM
If you have Clear Overlays under Display menu, try that.

set Clear Overlays to "always" - the red dot is still there.

BTW the grey half transparent bars on the top and the bottom are also there.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: bluetaurianbull on October 13, 2012, 12:52:54 AM
Great Work Guys!!!! well Done!!!
I will donate for sure, cant wait to have a fully feature rich ML working on my favorite 7D. Do carry on the good work!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Calomile on October 13, 2012, 12:59:56 AM
Had a quick play about with it before and couldn't find much to fault, shot a number of frames and videos, a few power downs etc., seems solid!

Great work guys, really excited to see what the future holds! My 5D wont be getting preferential treatment for long...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: collbeanzfilms on October 13, 2012, 01:00:42 AM
ok, so ive played around for a bit, turned camera off, back on and the firmware has gone, is that a bug or something ive done/not done, first play with ML firmware so my apologies if I just suck :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 13, 2012, 01:10:19 AM
having both external HDMI monitor and the AV headphones connected
Magic Zoom is not working saying it will not work with SD monitor connected.

ok, so ive played around for a bit, turned camera off, back on and the firmware has gone, is that a bug or something ive done/not done, first play with ML firmware so my apologies if I just suck :)

AFAIC for now you have to load ML manually each time 7D is powered on.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 01:10:49 AM

What is still missing?
We can run Magic Lantern from autoexec.bin, but we still can not reliably enable the bootflag to execute it. This means, virgin cameras will only be able to run the .FIR version of ML for now. We know ways to enable the bootflag, but they would involve copyright issues. And that's something we want to avoid.


;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 01:12:05 AM
@collbeanzfilms:
as already wrote in release notes:
   * it is not a firmware upgrade, despite the camera saying "Firmware update program";
it is in RAM only.

@GershberG:
so you want to have a clean HDMI output without any canon graphics overlaid. right? will look into that tomorrow.
that audio thingie - is it the same with stock canon firmware, or with ML only?
can you post some details about the monitor you use?
at which resolution is it running?
do the headphones you use also feature a video out connector?

@Digital Corpus:
the level bar drawing is not 100% accurate at ~45° if you wanted to report that.
also its drawing over grid.

@beej:
i zipped it with 7zip as i thought it will produce the best output of the 3 possibilities i had.
maybe i should have used a tar.gz ;)


thanks for feedback, guys
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: collbeanzfilms on October 13, 2012, 01:16:05 AM
sorry... excuse my lack of knowledge on this, so that means you can't turn the camera off then back on and still use the firmware? or am i missing something? thanks for the replies...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 01:17:32 AM
sorry... excuse my lack of knowledge on this, so that means you can't turn the camera off then back on and still use the firmware? or am i missing something? thanks for the replies...
Yes, unlike other cameras, on the 7D you have to run the firmware upgrade each time you turn on the camera.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: collbeanzfilms on October 13, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
thank you!

 
Yes, unlike other cameras, on the 7D you have to run the firmware upgrade each time you turn on the camera.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 13, 2012, 01:23:06 AM
   * it is not a firmware upgrade, despite the camera saying "Firmware update program";
it is in RAM only.

*** i think its better to keep it this way... no ? .. its safer this way , without risk of deleting autoexec , ot a camera lock-up risk.....
in the other ml vers you need to remove it from the card and then from the camera . you can brick it if you are not doing it good...

in this ml ver, it seems simple and safe.. ( or i am wrong ? )


@GershberG:
so you want to have a clean HDMI output without any canon graphics overlaid. right? will look into that tomorrow.

*** YES ! WE ALL WANT....in this way we can record our movies to an hdmi recorder and not the the CF card...
(the hdmi is uncompreesed signal?)


Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 01:28:58 AM
this is *no* firmware upgrade. Magic Lantern is "executed" by running the "firmware updater" with the 7D..._ML.FIR.
it stays actvie until the camera powers off. no matter if this is via power switch, via card door or via powersave.

as this is an early test version, not meant for productional use, but for testing, we chose the safest way, right.

autoexec.bin versions will come when it is safe to use and we found a way that does not raise any legal issues.
it will be announced in this forum when it's time.

@cracky123456:
we know that ;)
but let us first make Magic Lantern safe and stable before we start to tweak the maximum out of digic registers.
we have ideas and concepts. but they will be released when its time.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 13, 2012, 01:29:08 AM
that audio thingie - is it the same with stock canon firmware, or with ML only?
can you post some details about the monitor you use?
at which resolution is it running?
do the headphones you use also feature a video out connector?

1. no, with the stock Canon FW there's no real time sound monitoring on REC/STBY at all.
2. using Coolcd HD2 7" (Lilliput 800X480 matrix).
3. monitor shows 480p resolution
4. the headphones are connected to the modified Canon AV/USB cable with sound output only.

BTW the same setup works with my 60D, so this is what I'm comparing to.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 01:29:34 AM
It doesn't have anything to do with bricking, you can theoretically brick your camera with this release too.
The only difference is the bootflag.
Since it isn't set, you can't load the autoexec automatically at each camera startup. Everything is the same. It is not a free choice, not completely.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 01:33:42 AM
1. no, with the stock Canon FW there's no real time sound monitoring on REC/STBY at all.
2. using Coolcd HD2 7" (Lilliput 800X480 matrix).
3. monitor shows 480p resolution
4. the headphones are connected to the modified Canon AV/USB cable with sound output only.

BTW the same setup works with my 60D, so this is what I'm comparing to.

thanks, these are important infos.
this means we probably will have to override some properties.
except the MZ that is complaining - this might be solvable.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 01:36:29 AM
even if REC/STBY notif: OFF and Global Draw disabled the red dot IS there on external HDMI.

maybe setting canon's BMP palette to all-transparent will kill any BMP output.
so you would have clean HDMI output with the 7D's default resolution.
(no, no full-HD while recording yet)
i will check that the next days.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 01:50:26 AM
ok, so ive played around for a bit, turned camera off, back on and the firmware has gone, is that a bug or something ive done/not done, first play with ML firmware so my apologies if I just suck :)

All you have to do is run the update again (the .fir file is still present). It stays on the memory card so it's just a couple seconds out of your shoot if you lose it.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: davejazzysam on October 13, 2012, 02:00:36 AM
you are crazy,
are the best,

 I hope soon the final release,

I can only say something in canon are stupid, they will need you to work for them

but of course, it is obvious that all these features would never in a camera virgin, would cost thousands more dollars

thank you very much
Greetings from Cuba!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 13, 2012, 02:21:52 AM
I formatted compact flash memory in the camera, if I do that I will lose ML files?

Giuys - please actually *read* the instructions at the top of the thread, rather than asking questions already answered.

Known issues:
* Formatting the card will also remove Magic Lantern files
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 13, 2012, 03:34:13 AM
2nd, I'm able to run ML with an original battery only.
when the camera is powered from external power source there's a "cannot communicate with battery"
message after loading the FW and the ML is not loaded.


I tried this with a non-original battery, and it works just fine. (you need to have the battery charged, though, firmware update won't run on low battery)

I think the problem here is that your non-original battery is one of those that doesn't have the canon chip on it. The ones that doesn't have a serial number and couldn't be registered with the body, is it not? Mine is one of the newer ones with the chip that the body recognizes as an original canon battery.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: GershberG on October 13, 2012, 03:46:50 AM
I think the problem here is that your non-original battery is one of those that doesn't have the canon chip on it.

as i said in the OP there's no battery, but external power source.
actually, it's an adapter which uses V-lock battery to power the camera (via proprietary adapter),
the external monitor and the sound recorder at the same time. the camera adapter is not chipped.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 13, 2012, 03:58:39 AM
Very good release indeed.  Have used it for a few hours, many videos, photos, a couple of batteries, five lenses, two cards, and... no bugs!  This is the first time I use some of the features in ML and they all seem to work properly. 

Only question is: Should Magic zoom flicker??  It flickers under some video sizes and works with less flickering with others.  It is very usefull but could be enven better if it did not flicker at all.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 04:02:24 AM
Will Magic Zoom ever work on a 1080 external monitor?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gordoncasey on October 13, 2012, 04:50:21 AM
Glad I didn't support just yet ( I plan on supporting a high amount). No introvolometer? No HDR bracketing? You'll have to earn my money with a completed product. This .fir was sooo watered down. Even for an Alpha. Might as well have just been 2.0.3.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 04:56:29 AM
Glad I didn't support just yet ( I plan on supporting a high amount). No introvolometer? No HDR bracketing? You'll have to earn my money with a completed product. This .fir was sooo watered down. Even for an Alpha. Might as well have just been 2.0.3.

Go screw yourself. No one else should bother replying to this idiot to avoid cluttering the thread.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sklba on October 13, 2012, 05:29:07 AM
Help. I've followed the directions 3 times for the MAC version and it doesn't work for me. Camera will do the red blinking despite the download from the recommended links. The old menu style is still there, and it says on the firmware version it is installed, but nothing shows up. After I shut down, it returns to saying firmware 2.0.3 is installed. Any help?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gordoncasey on October 13, 2012, 05:53:47 AM
Ummm. Ok. What I said was the truth and completely warranted. I guarantee i'm going to donate waaay more than you did once the final release comes out. How does the old saying go? "Try it before you buy it"... totally my right to try it and give feedback. Although a step in the right direction. My personal opinion is that this alpha release was pre-mature. All the time it took to make the initial post could have been used to actually write code. What if I provided one of my clients with a half finished product and asked for money? I'll tell you what. I wouldn't be where I am today if I did that. As a professional "g3gg0" has to of knowns this Alpha wasn't truly ready (even as far as alphas go). I guarantee part of him knows i'm just being a devils advocate and not truly putting down his work. Without criticism we would have a half assed world.

Go screw yourself. No one else should bother replying to this idiot to avoid cluttering the thread.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 06:12:43 AM
Help. I've followed the directions 3 times for the MAC version and it doesn't work for me. Camera will do the red blinking despite the download from the recommended links. The old menu style is still there, and it says on the firmware version it is installed, but nothing shows up. After I shut down, it returns to saying firmware 2.0.3 is installed. Any help?

Have you tried pressing the Trash button to bring up the ML window? Also, you have to reupdate to ML every time you shutdown your camera.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sklba on October 13, 2012, 07:00:38 AM
Have you tried pressing the Trash button to bring up the ML window? Also, you have to reupdate to ML every time you shutdown your camera.

No, missed that trash info part. Is that on the guide somewhere and I just missed it?

Thanks a million though!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 07:05:17 AM
I knew it from a previous experience with ML. It's not listed. No prob.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Jasonsilzle on October 13, 2012, 07:36:28 AM
This is Fantastic  ;D... I just wanted to give some feedback...

- This Alpha is working fine for me with Non OEM batteries. I'm using Wasabi (Japanese cells) and it registers fine.
- I'm using a Atomos Ninja 2 with great sucess. I do have the letterbox and less than 1920x1080 clean HDMI out but what I am getting 1600+ etc... is clean. once in a while the White focus box shows up if I push some buttons to fast then it doesn't auto clear on occasion. 'll try to replicate and then report later.

I am very excited to think maybe we could get clean HDMI out of the 7D. Is this really a possibility? (I'm not asking for a time frame just asking if it seems possible)

Thank you again!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: edwmotion on October 13, 2012, 08:10:24 AM
Sorry, very stupid question.

How can I get to the ML menu?  :-[



........... nevermind... trash button
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: imacrazy on October 13, 2012, 08:22:32 AM
I was blown away by this software. Magic Lanterned just breathed new life into my aging 7d.  Everything is working great.  Thank you for everything. 
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 08:53:37 AM
I was blown away by this software. Magic Lanterned just breathed new life into my aging 7d.  Everything is working great.  Thank you for everything.

Just wait til everything gets implemented.. Once they can afford to buy the decompiling software development will really speed up too. Here's a little perspective on what your donations go towards:

Quote
The supporter release was a big success (I've got a 5D3 in no time, also got a EOS M for Coutts, a 650D, a 500D, and we'll also get a 6D and some IDA licenses for core developers). Before, I've got a 60D in around 1.5 months, and then a 5D2 in a similar timespan - remember the thermometer on the old wiki.

So, for now, all short-term goals were funded and there's no more need to hide the download links (which, sadly, works a lot better than relying on user honesty). Of course, donations are still welcome and will be put to good use - we don't buy sports cars from them. Hopefully we'll organize some developer conferences too
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 08:56:14 AM
Magic Zoom usually flickers in high-FPS modes. Try changing the size or the position, it sometimes helps.

There is a way to implement it flicker-free, but at the risk of altering frame rate and introducing jitter.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Dallas56 on October 13, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
It is obvious that it doesn't have all the features as yet but I am glad that it was released for people to try and to show that the 7D can run ML. The only things I have noticed so far that could be looked at are, magic zoom flickers on some video modes (which the menu says will happen) and the complete user guide doesn't show any info and on one occasion the camera froze and I had to reboot. I think it was a great idea to release it and increase the amount of people testing it to report any issues. g3gg0 thank you for the time you have put in to ML for the 7D  there is no doubt that no one else could crack the 7D. I am looking farward to what the next instalment will have.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 09:09:25 AM
My personal opinion is that this alpha release was pre-mature.
read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Alpha to understand developer terms.
All the time it took to make the initial post could have been used to actually write code.
if that is your position, you didnt understand anything what Magic Lantern is all about.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 09:27:47 AM
So is Magic Zoom on a 1080 monitor available for other camera bodies? I'd love to see it on the 7d.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
No, in 1080p the display is already at the highest resolution, there's no extra detail that magic zoom could bring out.

On digic 4 cameras, there's not even enough CPU power to show a tiny box at that resolution without issues.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: leon206 on October 13, 2012, 09:39:37 AM
I'm really, really happy this finally happened. I'm running into a "bug" with the install on my 7d. It seems that the firmware doesn't want to stay on my camera. If I turn it off or even if it goes to sleep it reverts me back to 2.0.3. Any ideas?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
You have to reflash it every time the camera turns off.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 13, 2012, 09:53:50 AM
No, in 1080p the display is already at the highest resolution, there's no extra detail that magic zoom could bring out.

On digic 4 cameras, there's not even enough CPU power to show a tiny box at that resolution without issues.

Would there be any way to downscale the output resolution to make it possible? I just got it to work on my monitor by forcing it to display 480p but the resolution is pretty bad in the magic window but it's still on the verge of being useful.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 09:58:23 AM
Well... this is how you can make it work.

Doesn't the monitor already zoom in? Mine has all sorts of adjustments about image size.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: edwmotion on October 13, 2012, 10:35:12 AM
Wonder if there is no bitrate option in this alpha version?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: zanty69 on October 13, 2012, 10:38:10 AM
Thanks for your great work on 7D. I donated to you 5 min ago. GREAT JOB!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 13, 2012, 10:39:29 AM
some time ago we discussed with Alex the "cannot communicate with battery" thing
on a stable 2.3 and he found it possible to bypass. maybe this will help.
The 'normal' ML version (run from autoexec.bin) will work with your unchipped power adapter (I've just tried  ;) ).
The alpha runs from Canon's fw update procedure which checks the battery first (because battery failure during flashing can brick the camera). You cannot bypass that, because it happens BEFORE any ML code can start. It's in Canon's code. No fw update without chipped battery. Period. :-)

So, you can test the alpha with chipped battery or you can wait for the later releases.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: edwmotion on October 13, 2012, 10:48:03 AM
My personal opinion is that this alpha release was pre-mature.

LOL.

morons, morons everywhere  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Lubaka77 on October 13, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
First thanks for the alpha!
Now some things I noticed.
The shutter: ML shows 1/31 1/41 1/48 ... Canon shows 1/30 1/40 1/50 ...
When I turn the ML menu on/off I see for a moment the picture style menu.
ML zoom is flickering.

That's all for now.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 11:06:22 AM
That's OK.

ML falls back to APEX values here, they are slightly different in movie mode (e.g. instead of 1/33.33 it shows 1/31).

Picture style menu is perfect.

MZ was covered before.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: pavel7D on October 13, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
THX a lot! Great work you've done. All of you.
P.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 13, 2012, 11:38:27 AM
@Digital Corpus:
the level bar drawing is not 100% accurate at ~45° if you wanted to report that.
also its drawing over grid.

thanks for feedback, guys
45˚ is a tough one with line drawing since you have to pick a side to drawn from etc. The specific bug is that the grid is not redrawn before the leveling line so it erases the grid wherever there was an overlap. Minor detail.

I have to get used to the UI design before I can report more. So far so good.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RM22 on October 13, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
If you purchase third-party batteries, make sure you purchase the batteries that are chipped. Otherwise, you will not get a battery life counter and this 7D ML release will not work for you.

If you have a battery grip, you can use 1 genuine Canon battery and 1 third-party battery and it will work as long as 1 of the batteries is chipped. I assume that'll also work if you use a Genuine Canon battery and an AC adaptor. (I also have one and I can test if anyone wants)

As far as the 7D ML, all I wanted was peaking focus and it works as good as expected. Thanks for the hard work to all the developers.

p.s.

A pre-mature alpha: the definition of a redundant statement.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 13, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
... Genuine Canon battery and an AC adaptor. (I also have one and I can test if anyone wants)
If you have the genuine Canon AC adaptor please test it.
(Mine is a cheap one (~12 bucks) and it has no chip. I wonder if the most expensive Canon has the chip or not.)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 13, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
I'd also chime in to say a big thanks to the ML team for this release :)

What ive noticed:
1.I do notice my 7d runs way hotter when running ML. When I tested with my normal non ML card it remains cool. Is this normal?
2.Also the shutter count only updates after the camera is shut down and turned back on. Is that also normal?
3.I do not believe the battery meter is correct. It said 42% when my battery was blinking red. Doesn't seem 2 accurate there.

thats all for now. I'm having fun testing. Never had the chance to have magic lantern as the 7d is my only canon camera :)

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 02:57:57 PM
1. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=1573.0
2. OK
3. requires properties.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 13, 2012, 03:27:26 PM
My i'm use for the canon 7D, the WFT-E5 B, and is work, but the 7D block one time. I'm select in the help one option and the 7D block, must put off and eject the batteries. i'm put more détail after
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 03:31:29 PM
Seems to be a compiling issue, try browsing the help with the INFO button instead (as context help), not from the Help menu.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: pixelk on October 13, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstuff.knackes.com%2Fdld%2F201210%2FIMG_0759_A96A09EE.jpg&hash=e94f6fe1454c2828f22e05280772eb3f)

Official Canon  main 7D adapater on the left, El Cheapo noname on the right

Canon :
- Shows as a full battery
- no message
- loads .fir fines

El Cheapo
- Shows an empty battery (but the camera works fine)
- Shows "unrecognized battery" messages
- cannot be used to load the .fir

The connector difference is obvious, but only two wire go to the adapter. Either there's a chip, or the connector is the key (but then I'm sure the noname brand would have figured it out).

I usually use the el-cheapo one because I connect it to a battery adapter I made myself (to shoot all night on one 12V car battery)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 13, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
In this alpha version is it possible to record at a constant bitrate??? I see there is no QScale option, or am I looking in the wrong place?! Thanks waiting for a reply! BTW it works like a charm great work! :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 04:53:03 PM
In this alpha version is it possible to record at a constant bitrate??? I see there is no QScale option, or am I looking in the wrong place?! Thanks waiting for a reply! BTW it works like a charm great work! :)
Bitrate is constant already.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 13, 2012, 05:03:17 PM
1.I do notice my 7d runs way hotter when running ML. When I tested with my normal non ML card it remains cool. Is this normal?

First time I run it, I smelled something burning, so I quickly turn it off. Nothing seemed to be burning, and it still works fine.

After playing around with it, and emptying a battery: I recharge the battery but apparently the charger still see about 1/2 a battery's worth of charge. It starts blinking twice when I plug it in. (empty batteries starts charging at one blink)

Strange, and not sure what's going on there.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 05:21:02 PM
Probably the battery is old, what does it display at "recharge performance" in Canon menu?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 05:27:40 PM
Burning? And why would your camera burns unless something is completely wrong with the battery?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 05:30:29 PM
First time I run it, I smelled something burning, so I quickly turn it off.

magic lantern CAN NOT cause anything like this.
when recording without ML, the camera uses 60% of the CPU processing power *plus* the hardware unit for MPEG encoding.
even when ML would consume 100% CPU power all the time, there is nothing that can happen within just a few minutes or hours.

also about "consuming power" and "battery getting hot" we already ran a test on two identical 7D bodies before releasing the alpha. (thanks jphansen)
both cameras next to each other with fully charged batteries. one camera running ML, one without.
after 10 minutes recording, the ML camera drained just one percent (!) more energy than the other one.
that 1% is just logical when you run smth like focus peaking.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 05:38:34 PM
in addition to that, i use two batteries:
a brand new that i bought as the original was defect, and the "defect" one that
could get repaired later by applying voltages manually and loading in a 3rd party charger.

both are working fine and show full battery performance.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 05:41:01 PM
I don't know if people posting this kind of stuff is completely honest with these declaration or tries to be some kind of sarcastic.
As A1ex posted in a thread, ML uses about 5% more power than the camera on its standard firmware alone so where do you think this heat is coming? Would you really believe that a 5% increase in power consumption means that a camera, which is completely fine (until a certain point) as it came out of the box, suddenly catches fire or builds up enough heat to melt itself down to a liquid mass? I am completely fine with people posting here, even when they missed something from the manual. You know, that can happen. But when i read something like this, it makes me really puzzled about why would anybody do that. Tests are being conducted and thousands of people had ML on their cameras for the past months and here it comes somebody who probably never smelled his camera pretending he smelled it on purpose at the first ML startup just to see if it'll burn.
Meh, i'm stunned.
Have you ever tried to clean the contact of your battery and charger? That could be a big surprise to you.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 13, 2012, 05:47:40 PM
Bitrate is constant already.

On the old firmware that I had 1.2.2 that came with the canon camera there was a variable bitrate now is it constant because of the new canon firmware or is it constant only using magic lantern?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
is it constant only using magic lantern?

ML should not change anything in bitrates yet.
you can easily confirm that by not loading ML and checking the result.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 05:53:10 PM
On the old firmware that I had 1.2.2 that came with the canon camera there was a variable bitrate now is it constant because of the new canon firmware or is it constant only using magic lantern?
As far as i know default Canon bitrate is CBR at about 40Mb per second.
That is untouched by ML for 7D, yet, so it's going to be unchanged.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 13, 2012, 06:26:54 PM
Well I def didn't smell anything burning but yeh it does run way hotter. I'm not concerned as its been explained that it uses more power. No biggie. I noticed a few more things.

1.Audio meters don't work in liveview mode most times. If it happens to work its not as sensitive as when during record mode.

2. When I monitor with my Zacuto evf i get this note "magic zoom does not work in dmi 1080i". Would be cool to use magic zoom  on my EVF which displays in that mode.

3. When ML menu is brought up (trash button) the picture profile menu comes up for a quick moment.

4.Focal Range Notifier is very sluggish in Liveview and record mode. However if u go to trap focus menu and change the focal length of your lens its almost real time in updating. Wish that were also the case for record and liveview.

Definitely having fun with it and I'm greatly appreciative for all the hard work. Cheers.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 06:29:11 PM
How much hotter? Again, see http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=1573.0 and previous posts.

2, 3: see previous posts.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 13, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
Well I def didn't smell anything burning but yeh it does run way hotter. I'm not concerned as its been explained that it uses more power. No biggie. I noticed a few more things.

1.Audio meters don't work in liveview mode most times. If it happens to work its not as sensitive as when during record mode.

2. When I monitor with my Zacuto evf i get this note "magic zoom does not work in dmi 1080i". Would be cool to use magic zoom  on my EVF which displays in that mode.

3. When ML menu is brought up (trash button) the picture profile menu comes up for a quick moment.

4.Focal Range Notifier is very sluggish in Liveview and record mode. However if u go to trap focus menu and change the focal length of your lens its almost real time in updating. Wish that were also the case for record and liveview.

Definitely having fun with it and I'm greatly appreciative for all the hard work. Cheers.
Get an infrared thermometer and do the measurements.
;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 13, 2012, 06:49:32 PM
3. When ML menu is brought up (trash button) the picture profile menu comes up for a quick moment.

Yeah, I get this also.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 13, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
when ML menu is opening, it is first opening some canon menu (usually you get "my menu") before ML menu will appear.
this is because of the canon menu will disable all other paint events - and ML menu doesnt have to care about being overwritten
by all the canon stuff like metering bar and battery.

so this is intended behavior.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 13, 2012, 07:49:51 PM
After loading ML, I sometimes get a notice that says: Magic Off and the firmware would say -ml-off. and ML couldn't run. I'm not sure what's causing this though.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 13, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
Probably the battery is old, what does it display at "recharge performance" in Canon menu?

Full three green bars. It's only a 2 months old battery. I probably need to reset the battery.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 08:20:05 PM
Probably you are holding SET for a bit longer? (that's the shortcut key for disabling ML)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on October 13, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
Installed, yesterday, here in sweden on a 7D bought from Japan and using the american Firmware provided here. So far, these are my notes:


Other than those, I am extremely pleased with this thingamajigg. If this was only custom-crop-marks and LV-contrast&Saturation adjustments... I would be so happy. I've been waiting for those two ever since the camera came out! And later, when it's released for real... with the bootloader properly coded... I'll be so much more happy still.

And there's also a couple of features present that confuses me a bit, but I'll be reading the documentation on those and won't bother people here with it.

Again. Usability could need some work, but I love the early results. :D

[edited post for readability :)  ]
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 13, 2012, 08:51:37 PM
I guess using ML at first is a little complicated because it does a lot, there are a lot of options, and you are having to change or reuse buttons and screens that you've learnt how to use in one way in a different way.

I found it a little complex at first, but after a bit of focused playing today, checking out the features, behaviour and options, and figuring out the implementation and the button presses etc, it's actually becoming quite straightforward to use.

I expect a lot of us here are new to ML, so expect a bit of a learning curve. I think it's wise to not clutter this thread with general new user questions about how to use ML and feature requests etc, so it can stay focused on getting it up to a stable release version for the 7D.

I guess there are other places in the forums to talk about general ML use etc.

However - I'm loving it so far. :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dubzeebass on October 13, 2012, 09:13:57 PM
Congrats!  Donated.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 09:55:47 PM
Quote
Or if it was possible to just disable the hide-menu mode completely

This can be disabled by simply not pressing the MENU button while in ML menu ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: maxcolefilms on October 13, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
Awesome!! Downloaded and Donated today, way to go Magic Lantern team!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 13, 2012, 10:14:49 PM

The connector difference is obvious, but only two wire go to the adapter. Either there's a chip, or the connector is the key (but then I'm sure the noname brand would have figured it out).

Thank you for sharing.
I've just checked my camera and haven't seen any connector for the extra pin of the Canon dummy battery. Interesting.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 13, 2012, 10:18:22 PM
when ML menu is opening, it is first opening some canon menu (usually you get "my menu") before ML menu will appear.
this is because of the canon menu will disable all other paint events - and ML menu doesnt have to care about being overwritten
by all the canon stuff like metering bar and battery.

so this is intended behavior.
And this is the reason for the bug I reported earlier with the Date/Time/Zone menu item (It appears on the top of the ML menu in every minute.) Maybe it would be better if ML opens the info screen before it starts.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 13, 2012, 10:22:42 PM
You can adjust GUIMODE_ML_MENU (print CURRENT_DIALOG_MAYBE to see what values it accepts) and find a suitable dialog. Make sure the scrollwheels still work.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on October 13, 2012, 10:30:06 PM
Noticed a couple of things on the Focus menu

  1)   Trap focus does not have the continuous option  (Should this be available yet ?)

  2)  "Your Lens did not report focal distance" is always displayed.   I have tested this with 2 lenses so far   15-85  and 70-200 II
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 14, 2012, 12:23:03 AM
Unless I'm understanding something wrong, the frame rate display in the upper right corner seems to be incorrect.

In PAL, 25fps mode, the frame rate is displayed as "30.000", and in NTSC 30fps it reads 35.xxx.
PAL 720p 50fpx is displayed as 60.000.

These are not the numbers I'd expect... :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 14, 2012, 12:30:44 AM
#define TG_FREQ_BASE 24000000 will fix it
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: be21 on October 14, 2012, 12:42:16 AM
Hi

This is my first time installing magic lantern.
I formated the card as you said and I also fully charged the battery
The firmare at the moment is 2.0.3
When i go to copy the ML.zips contents to the root cf folder it says that i do not have permission to copy this and the whole thing just cancels

Can someone help me?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 14, 2012, 12:56:54 AM

When i go to copy the ML.zips contents to the root cf folder it says that i do not have permission to copy this and

Try unzipping the .zip first.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ted ramasola on October 14, 2012, 12:58:04 AM
Hi

This is my first time installing magic lantern.
I formated the card as you said and I also fully charged the battery
The firmare at the moment is 2.0.3
When i go to copy the ML.zips contents to the root cf folder it says that i do not have permission to copy this and the whole thing just cancels

Can someone help me?

Use a card reader to transfer the ML files to the card.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 14, 2012, 01:02:47 AM
Has anyone tried creating custom cropmarks for ML?

I created some custom cropmarks and if I load them on ML, it would freeze the camera. It would lock up, and the shutter will fire, but the camera tries to write for, like, forever. (the red LED flashes on). Turning it off/on again doesn't work, had to remove and reinsert battery.

I'm not sure if it's ML or my cropmarks. I created them by opening an existing cropmark in photoshop, edited, and save-overwrite them to ensure the same encoding, etc.

I can't seem to find the attachment option (if it's enabled at all?) so I uploaded them on mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/?2b8zs7eilb2exp9

I've also made sure that there's only 8 cropmarks on the card. I dunno if that matters or not, but still..
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: collbeanzfilms on October 14, 2012, 01:09:17 AM
Tried it out all day and shot a little piece i'm calling '3' (wont take you long to work out why i'd guess!) Anyway, basically, apart from a few minor glitches, everything i tried worked well 99% of the time. The glitches were minor things that didnt effect the outcome of actual filming, like the crop display going a bit funky at top and bottom a few times... But it DID NOT stop me from producing...
Here's the little fun piece anyway :)
https://vimeo.com/51364896 (https://vimeo.com/51364896)

Chow! and massive respect to the ML team!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 14, 2012, 01:26:51 AM
#define TG_FREQ_BASE 24000000 will fix it

true. updated it in the timer table (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdEZrXzBSZmdaSE9WVnpOblJ2ZGtoZXc#gid=0) but not in source.
thanks for pointing out.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RM22 on October 14, 2012, 02:37:40 AM
If you have the genuine Canon AC adaptor please test it.
(Mine is a cheap one (~12 bucks) and it has no chip. I wonder if the most expensive Canon has the chip or not.)

Yup, I have one of those cheap adaptors too. I tested it in the grip+a chipped battery and it didn't work. My cheap adapter has the same connectors as the genuine adapter but it must have a similar chip as the batteries.

There is a workaround if you have a battery grip.

1. Insert chipped battery in the right side compartment and leave the battery compartment open.
2. Turn on camera and flash ML.
3. With camera still on, insert AC adapter in left compartment.
4. (optional) remove chipped battery.
5. Close grip battery compartment.

Once that's done, mine shows both batteries as having bad battery life and only a percentage of battery power, but the top LCD on the 7D shows full battery power.

Try at your own risk. I haven't done any extensive tests. I just know that it works that way.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Kevin B. on October 14, 2012, 05:29:47 AM
Thanks So far looking Good...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on October 14, 2012, 12:21:36 PM
Has anyone tried creating custom cropmarks for ML?

I created some custom cropmarks and if I load them on ML, it would freeze the camera. It would lock up, and the shutter will fire, but the camera tries to write for, like, forever. (the red LED flashes on). Turning it off/on again doesn't work, had to remove and reinsert battery.

I'm not sure if it's ML or my cropmarks. I created them by opening an existing cropmark in photoshop, edited, and save-overwrite them to ensure the same encoding, etc.

I can't seem to find the attachment option (if it's enabled at all?) so I uploaded them on mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/?2b8zs7eilb2exp9

I've also made sure that there's only 8 cropmarks on the card. I dunno if that matters or not, but still..

I tried that route too, but ended up with large pink blocks in the image. So instead I followed the guide at http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Cropmarks and made sure to always end by applying the custom palette provided on that site and then making sure that it's saved as non-RLE-compressed 8bit bmp.

My tip would be to really follow the step by step guide.

Once, it gave big areas of pink that way too. But I found that I hadn't used pure black for the black area that turned pink.

Also, make sure that you only have 9 crop-marks at the most loaded in the folder. My ML refused to load otherwise.

by the way. it seems that the resolution in both the crop-marks and some of the menu-backgrounds don't really match the display-resolution. When trying the cropmarks that comes pre-loaded that has a grid with every other pixel transparent and pure black, it'll give another pattern when displayed on the LCD. Also. When using crop-marks that use single-pixel lines, some of the lines won't render on screen at all. So far I have noticed this with mostly horizontal lines. They seem to get stuck between pixels so to speak. I have worked around this with my own crop-marks by making sure I don't use lines that are less than 2 pixels thick. Is this normal or should we be using some other resolution when creating crop-marks?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 14, 2012, 12:25:36 PM
For 4:3 screens, try to avoid 1-pixel lines and 50% patterns, as - you've guessed - you get aliasing and moire on the bitmap overlay :D

The 3:2 screens don't have this problem.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 14, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
I tried that route too, but ended up with large pink blocks in the image. So instead I followed the guide at http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Cropmarks and made sure to always end by applying the custom palette provided on that site and then making sure that it's saved as non-RLE-compressed 8bit bmp.

My tip would be to really follow the step by step guide.


It works! \o/

The only thing I needed to do was turn off RLE compression and left everything at photoshop default, and the cropmarks work.

Thank you!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 14, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
btw, this version was downloaded more that 2k times now :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gielie on October 14, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
Hi

This is my first time installing magic lantern.
I formated the card as you said and I also fully charged the battery
The firmare at the moment is 2.0.3
When i go to copy the ML.zips contents to the root cf folder it says that i do not have permission to copy this and the whole thing just cancels

Can someone help me?

Same problem here, dont have a cardreader, any help!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 14, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
I can sell you mine for only $500 :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 14, 2012, 06:26:44 PM
Same problem here, dont have a cardreader, any help!

are you sure, you are prepared for a firmware hack named Magic Lantern for >1k€ devices
if you don't even have a card reader and ask for help *here*?!
sorry, but thats a bit weird...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 14, 2012, 07:15:51 PM
Same problem here, dont have a cardreader, any help!

No other options: You *HAVE* to use a cardreader. What are you going to do when the full ML gets released? You're gonna need that cardreader to install the ML to the card so it would load automagically!

Get a cardreader!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 14, 2012, 07:20:21 PM
I can sell you mine for only $500 :)
I want it, but only if it bears your autograph.
 8)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: FotoMaciej on October 14, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
Hi everyone!
Firstly, I would like to thank you g3gg0 for a piece of good work.
I know that, there is a lot of work to do for transform alpha to beta version :D

I would like to ask about "Focus Peak" feature.
When I turn it on, the "zoom window" still blinking / flashing. Is that normal?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 14, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
I would like to ask about "Focus Peak" feature.
When I turn it on, the "zoom window" still blinking / flashing. Is that normal?

i dont get what you mean.
in LV you have zoom permanently enabled and then enable focus peaking?
please describe exactly what you pressed and what is configured.

thanks
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: FotoMaciej on October 14, 2012, 08:52:52 PM
Upps sorry, I mean Magic Zoom, not Focus Peak :D

I start LV and next I go to ML menu and enable Magic Zoom. When Magic Zoom is enabled then "zoom window" shows up on the screen and this window still blinking.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 14, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
Upps sorry, I mean Magic Zoom, not Focus Peak :D

I start LV and next I go to ML menu and enable Magic Zoom. When Magic Zoom is enabled then "zoom window" shows up on the screen and this window still blinking.

Yep, this has already been covered earlier in the thread...
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3103.msg14738#msg14738
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 14, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
@video guys ;)


is this what you expect from clean HDMI?
please understand that the resolution still is limited to 1620x1080 and thats not easy to defeat.
also the method i use to disable paintings is somewhat problematic and will not work stable.
(canon menus might crash afterwards)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: FotoMaciej on October 14, 2012, 09:54:43 PM

is this what you expect from clean HDMI?

This is the best option than nothing ;)
Good job!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thhedk on October 14, 2012, 10:39:42 PM
I tried that route too, but ended up with large pink blocks in the image.

I found out, that the white area had to be R=254 G=254 B=255 and made my own here:
http://www.thhe.dk/Magic_Lantern_7D_Crops-thhedk.zip (http://www.thhe.dk/Magic_Lantern_7D_Crops-thhedk.zip)

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: kirklasalle on October 14, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
First off I want to Thank You and the rest of the ML team for all the hard work. I was a developer in my past life and I understand, first hand, how much effort goes in this. I appreciate getting a second life out of my 7D's with some new bionic abilities.

I read in the beginning of this thread something about batteries, I don't know if I've missed any posts on this however, for me, there seems to be an issue loading ML when using third party batteries. I don't know if it's the particular brand I'm using (Premium TECH batteries, will test others soon) or if it's just the "cannot communicate" screen you have to Okay that halts the loading.

I have two 7D's and I've tried both and both were a no-go with 3rd party batteries.
Once I used a canon battery it worked flawlessly.

Thanks again for all the hard work... A donation is forthcoming coming.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thhedk on October 15, 2012, 12:08:22 AM
I read in the beginning of this thread something about batteries,

I have one of these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blumax-Battery-WIRELESS-Compatible-Original/dp/B003OV8K9U (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blumax-Battery-WIRELESS-Compatible-Original/dp/B003OV8K9U)

And it works ok.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 15, 2012, 12:13:51 AM
Non-scientific test: With my two, cheap ebay battteries in my battery grip, ML loads ok.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 15, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
@video guys ;)


is this what you expect from clean HDMI?
please understand that the resolution still is limited to 1620x1080 and thats not easy to defeat.
also the method i use to disable paintings is somewhat problematic and will not work stable.
(canon menus might crash afterwards)

YES ! i think this is what I expect from the HDMI.... NO red button.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D THANK YOU ! was it hard to code ?
or you just had to bypass the REC red dot paint code-lines ?

what kind of thing is limiting the resolution ? (somthing is DOWNSCALING the video  to the HDMI port ? DISABLE IT !  )
what is the meaning "canon menus crash" ? can it be fix by or recover by a simple operation ? , then its worth the crashing...
no need to rec to cards ....

BTW ! mabey a stupied question : if i dont press record , and there is no recording , after 2-3 min in LIVE VIEW the camera shout off.. right ?
so i cant really record from the hdmi port without recoring to a cf card.....
mabey you can DISABLE IT ? i mean.. no auto-power-off... it will keep output video untill i turn off the camera ?....
then , it will be a REAL "ENG" video camera..... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Dallas56 on October 15, 2012, 01:02:48 AM
I also have cheap eBay batteries that came with a battery grip and ML works fine.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: kirklasalle on October 15, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
Here's an image of that battery. I have two more I'll test after charging and see how that goes.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-vtcGab6WcQY%2FUHtF3kb29aI%2FAAAAAAAAAOM%2FbalHdByHd90%2Fw695-h521-p-k%2F12%252B-%252B1&hash=f63b7b88bb88a48c9602358a97389ba2)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 15, 2012, 01:49:16 AM
I found out, that the white area had to be R=254 G=254 B=255 and made my own here:
http://www.thhe.dk/Magic_Lantern_7D_Crops-thhedk.zip (http://www.thhe.dk/Magic_Lantern_7D_Crops-thhedk.zip)

I tried this and still sometimes get weird colors due to how PS handles color management during opening/saving. The best way I find is to convert the bitmaps to RGB (Image > mode > RGB) and edit away like any other pics.

When you're done, convert to indexed color (Image > mode > indexed color) BUT, and this is a bit but, use custom color palette (on the indexed color window, there should be a palette dropdown option: Pick custom) and you will need to use this custom ML palette file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/123918/MagicLantern/ML_ColorPalette%2BRubyScript_4_RLE_Compression_OsX.zip

You can also find it here: http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Cropmarks

And save as BMP (Windows, 8-bit, and don't forget to disable RLE)

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mdwhaley on October 15, 2012, 02:03:43 AM
2 cheap sterling tek batteries in a Polaroid battery grip on the 7d, ML works great
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: LAKOF on October 15, 2012, 02:19:32 AM
I've never posted on a forum lime this before...

First off, you guys rock. For someone who knows nothing about what you guys do, to me you seem like magicians. Filming on DSLRs is how I make a living, and I will definitely be donating.

My results:
-I have used a 3rd party photix battery successfully when fully charged
-I'm noticing that focus peaking does not work as well at high ISOs, I'm guessing it's picking up the noise as being in focus
-When in the ML menu, pressing the (-) button exits the menu, that's nice, but pressing the (+) button create a strange hybrid of the ML menu and the LV images where only the currently selected ML menu item is overlaying the screen
-When i turn on 16x9 crop so it blacks out the bottom of the screen where the waveform and histograms are, it every-so-often switches back and forth to blue and then black


g3gg0---would it be within your magical powers to enable FULL 1080p HD clean out on this or any camera (if not 7d then what about the 5DMK3?) TO be useful to most of us, it would need to be without sacrificing resolution. If its not possible, what about an improved codec for recording? Maybe mimic the All-I flavor of h.264 available on some of the newer cameras? Any of these would make Magic Lantern not just useful, but a necessity for anyone serious about filming at a professional level. A lot of broadcast acquisition standards mandate a MINIMUM of 50mbps acquisition codec. If you can push the cameras above that limit, it would be a big deal.

It would be worth charging $50 just for that feature. People would buy. Not saying that's how you guys roll, but you could....considering the feature would be most useful to professionals making money from these cameras and maybe some of the most serious basement filmmakers.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RM22 on October 15, 2012, 08:42:26 AM
Here's an image of that battery. I have two more I'll test after charging and see how that goes.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-vtcGab6WcQY%2FUHtF3kb29aI%2FAAAAAAAAAOM%2FbalHdByHd90%2Fw695-h521-p-k%2F12%252B-%252B1&hash=f63b7b88bb88a48c9602358a97389ba2)

The problem is not that it's a third-party battery, the problem is that the battery is not chipped. I have 2 non-chipped batteries, and like yours, it needs to be charged with the charger that came with the batteries because they won't charge on the Canon charger. Non-chipped batteries will not work with this alpha 7D ML release.

It's not that the batteries don't have enough power, it's that the battery check breaks the 7D boot process (or something, I don't know the technical details.)

edit: I do have 2 genuine batteries from a 7D and 5D2 and I also have 6 other batteries that are chipped, along with 2 that are not chipped. I didn't know about the chips when I bought the non-chipped batteries.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gielie on October 15, 2012, 11:08:17 AM
are you sure, you are prepared for a firmware hack named Magic Lantern for >1k€ devices
if you don't even have a card reader and ask for help *here*?!
sorry, but thats a bit weird...

Why would i ever needed a card reader when i can connect my camera straight to my computer?
You could have answered like this "the only way to get ML on your CF card is with a card reader"
Is this the way you reply to supporters? Go F*** yourself
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gielie on October 15, 2012, 11:11:13 AM
No other options: You *HAVE* to use a cardreader. What are you going to do when the full ML gets released? You're gonna need that cardreader to install the ML to the card so it would load automagically!

Get a cardreader!

Ok, didn't know that, will buy one straight away, tnks for the reply
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 15, 2012, 11:38:05 AM
Your question was already answered before you have asked for help. Your donation does not create any obligation for us, by definition (it's called donation, not payment), you don't get the right to insult any developers, and you are still expected to read the instructions.

Would you like a full ban as a supporter gift?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rock soderstrom on October 15, 2012, 12:16:41 PM

Hello, just for your information, the download link for the alpha seems to be broken!

Thanks a lot for your work and keep on rockin´

Best regards

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RM22 on October 15, 2012, 12:37:16 PM
Why would i ever needed a card reader when i can connect my camera straight to my computer?
You could have answered like this "the only way to get ML on your CF card is with a card reader"
Is this the way you reply to supporters? Go F*** yourself

With a lot of newer devices and operating systems, connect a DSLR, tablet, or phone to your computer may allow you to transfer media files only. Not only that, but you are not usually allowed to copy to device, only from device. ML has gotten much easier to install so it's hardly worth complaining about needing a card reader.

You should support developers for their work, not for a sense of entitlement. If you were offended by the response you received, the internet is not for you. I've been following ML for some time and anyone that has been anticipating a 7D release is probably in the same boat. By this point, most people realize a card reader is needed. It's nothing new.
Hello, just for your information, the download link for the alpha seems to be broken!

Thanks a lot for your work and keep on rockin´

Best regards

Just tested it. It's working. Refresh and give it another go.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 12:45:26 PM
YES ! i think this is what I expect from the HDMI.... NO red button.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D THANK YOU ! was it hard to code ?
or you just had to bypass the REC red dot paint code-lines ?
i permanently disable overlay painting engine using canons developer commands.
this has some downsides, but together with alex we found a much cleaner solution by making the palette just transparent.
its not tested fully yet, but should have far fewer side effects.


what kind of thing is limiting the resolution ? (somthing is DOWNSCALING the video  to the HDMI port ? DISABLE IT !  )
i've already answered that even before you asked ;)
please understand that the resolution still is limited to 1620x1080 and thats not easy to defeat.
and if it were that easy, believe me - i would have "disabled" that feature.
(btw its not just about disabling a feature, but to reconfigure all the undocumented DIGiC hardware registers)


what is the meaning "canon menus crash" ? can it be fix by or recover by a simple operation ? , then its worth the crashing...
no need to rec to cards ....
fixed by restarting the camera after removing battery


BTW ! mabey a stupied question : if i dont press record , and there is no recording , after 2-3 min in LIVE VIEW the camera shout off.. right ?
so i cant really record from the hdmi port without recoring to a cf card.....
mabey you can DISABLE IT ? i mean.. no auto-power-off... it will keep output video untill i turn off the camera ?....
i will have a look into that issue. maybe i find some way to do that.
but for now i think its ok to record on CF - what are the advantages you would see with that feature?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 12:51:07 PM
I've never posted on a forum lime this before...

First off, you guys rock. For someone who knows nothing about what you guys do, to me you seem like magicians. Filming on DSLRs is how I make a living, and I will definitely be donating.

My results:
-I have used a 3rd party photix battery successfully when fully charged
-I'm noticing that focus peaking does not work as well at high ISOs, I'm guessing it's picking up the noise as being in focus
-When in the ML menu, pressing the (-) button exits the menu, that's nice, but pressing the (+) button create a strange hybrid of the ML menu and the LV images where only the currently selected ML menu item is overlaying the screen
-When i turn on 16x9 crop so it blacks out the bottom of the screen where the waveform and histograms are, it every-so-often switches back and forth to blue and then black


g3gg0---would it be within your magical powers to enable FULL 1080p HD clean out on this or any camera (if not 7d then what about the 5DMK3?) TO be useful to most of us, it would need to be without sacrificing resolution. If its not possible, what about an improved codec for recording? Maybe mimic the All-I flavor of h.264 available on some of the newer cameras? Any of these would make Magic Lantern not just useful, but a necessity for anyone serious about filming at a professional level. A lot of broadcast acquisition standards mandate a MINIMUM of 50mbps acquisition codec. If you can push the cameras above that limit, it would be a big deal.

It would be worth charging $50 just for that feature. People would buy. Not saying that's how you guys roll, but you could....considering the feature would be most useful to professionals making money from these cameras and maybe some of the most serious basement filmmakers.

thanks for your feedback.
ISO noise: yes, this might be. will check it. tried to change focus peaking to mode (via Q)? maybe it helps in that situation
ML menu: maybe thats the menu feature where you can change the option using scroll wheel. if so, thats intended. i will check that when im at home.
Blue blinking: Known, alex called this "a feature" ;) its okay, dont let you confuse by that.
All-I: could be possible. will be checked as soon MovRecState is being investigated.
other codecs: no. codec is a hardware implementation
FULL HDMI:
answered before and this applies to any camera:
please understand that the resolution still is limited to 1620x1080 and thats not easy to defeat.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
Hello, just for your information, the download link for the alpha seems to be broken!
thanks, but just checked the DL link, seems to work fine.
and according to DL counter (>3k) it never disappeared.
try to use the DL link without the S in HTTPS maybe its your proxy/browser?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rock soderstrom on October 15, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Thanks RM22 for your testing! But it is still broken, I habe checked it with 3 computers, still no success...probably a problem with
our firewall???

Ok, I will test the HTTPS thingy  8)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rock soderstrom on October 15, 2012, 01:12:16 PM

Nope, no dowload for me!   :'(

This is the link I have used: http://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha1.zip

I will ask our administrators. It seems to be a local problem. Thanks again!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 15, 2012, 01:15:15 PM
Mirror link (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha1.zip).
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 01:17:38 PM
Nope, no dowload for me!   :'(

This is the link I have used: http://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/downloads/magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha1.zip

I will ask our administrators. It seems to be a local problem. Thanks again!

it looks like bitbucket.org is forbidden in your network or some nameserver issue. whatever.
temporary workaround:
http://upload.g3gg0.de/pub_files/555516d18b253314d5255e24b48e9eba/magiclantern-7D_203_Alpha1%5B1%5D.zip

edit:
hehe, alex was faster. but in case dropbox is forbidden too (as here in my network)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rock soderstrom on October 15, 2012, 01:19:41 PM

Yep, now it works!  :D

Thanks a lot! Vielen Dank!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pshots on October 15, 2012, 02:21:39 PM
Hopefully you can release the new version with the HDR features as soon as possible..  :-[ can`t wait till it will be available... This is on my priority list on the top !!! ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 15, 2012, 02:35:06 PM
-When i turn on 16x9 crop so it blacks out the bottom of the screen where the waveform and histograms are, it every-so-often switches back and forth to blue and then black

The blue denotes crushed black, if you overexpose, you will find some reds when the bar is black: It denotes highlight clipping. This is the zebra feature, switch it to other modes to see other types of zebras.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ivanchang on October 15, 2012, 03:15:02 PM
i canot update alpha firmware :-\
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 15, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Provide a bit of context please, we are not magician yet ....  ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 03:29:27 PM
Provide a bit of context please, we are not magician yet ....  ::)

nooooooooooo :D
not "a bit", but at least 200 characters ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 15, 2012, 03:54:35 PM

i will have a look into that issue. maybe i find some way to do that.
but for now i think its ok to record on CF - what are the advantages you would see with that feature?

thank you for the replay !
man , if i knew to code in"c" lang , i would LOVE to help you guys ( i know only basic, and pcboard ppe  ??? hehehe )

about the the ENG .. theres a lot of HDMI recorders , and if we can record a/v to it , then we can use the dslr several ways :
1) EVENTS - WEDDING.. use it as an eng camera . shoot entire event with a lagre sensor camera.
2) GREEN SCREEN PRODUCTIONS - no need the come to the camera and start it again after auto-power-shot-down
3) NEWS - press REC anytime somthing happends ( A BOMB ? )

and meny uses for the ENG cameras this days.....
the only prob is that the sensor may overheat.....

ANYWAY , as allways.... thank you very very much , we all know the you are straggeling and working hard on the ML.... :-*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: newjerseypete on October 15, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
Why would i ever needed a card reader when i can connect my camera straight to my computer?
You could have answered like this "the only way to get ML on your CF card is with a card reader"
Is this the way you reply to supporters? Go F*** yourself

Before you run out and purchase a nice Lexar Card Reader, there is a good chance you may have a printer that has a CF reader built in that you've never used.  I ALWAYS forget that my networked Pixma printer in the upstairs bedroom has networked card readers in it.  I too do not own a card reader and didn't realize that I would need one for Magic Lantern.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ivanchang on October 15, 2012, 06:20:46 PM
My camera firmware 2.03

use Original battery

I update sequence is as follows

1.Update camera firmware to 2.0.3 again

2.Format my CF card

3.Remove CF card

4.copy alpha 1 firmware to  CF Card

5.Update firmware to 7D000203_ML.FIR

but my camera  canot loading alpha 1 firmware

Is still the old firmware :'(

why??

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 15, 2012, 06:42:58 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpel.hu%2Fpic%2Fbatteryfail.jpg&hash=2a49fbbed7e72bafbd3a7ce63b5973f7)


Use a chipped battery!
Read the previous posts in this thread.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ivanchang on October 15, 2012, 07:05:37 PM
i used Original battery
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
use Original battery

thanks for the video, its perfect and you are doing it right.
so i think, the (required) 2.0.3 canon firmware detects your battery as faulty or thinks its not original.
can you check what the battery info screen says?
or can you check contacts?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ivanchang on October 15, 2012, 07:25:05 PM
TO:g3gg0

the battery is original..

i don't know , why ?

the camera can't check this battery...@@  all battery

The camera may be a problem

"Cannot communicate with battery use this battery?"

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gordoncasey on October 15, 2012, 07:37:56 PM
First off you took me way out of context.  Secondly Magic Lantern is apparently not a community that knows how to take constructive criticism. All g3gg0 did was release a buggy version of 2.0.3 rebranded with Magic Lanterns mDOS aesthetics and  focus peaking. The real reason people like magic lantern is audio controls, hdr, faster bitrates, and the  introvolometer. So may I put myself back into context. "This was a pre-mature release EVEN FOR AN ALPHA" .


read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Alpha to understand developer terms.if that is your position, you didnt understand anything what Magic Lantern is all about.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 15, 2012, 07:41:58 PM
Try to clean the contact, maybe it helps.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 15, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Quote
All g3gg0 did was release a buggy version of 2.0.3 rebranded with Magic Lanterns mDOS aesthetics and  focus peaking.

Another troll banned.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 15, 2012, 07:48:33 PM
First off you took me way out of context.  Secondly Magic Lantern is apparently not a community that knows how to take constructive criticism. All g3gg0 did was release a buggy version of 2.0.3 rebranded with Magic Lanterns mDOS aesthetics and  focus peaking. The real reason people like magic lantern is audio controls, hdr, faster bitrates, and the  introvolometer. So may I put myself back into context. "This was a pre-mature release EVEN FOR AN ALPHA" .
You can't complain about free things.
Alpha mean "help me helping you".
You're dealing with a bunch of guys that use their free time to develop good stuff for photographers all over the world. It's not like you're buying something or you have a signed contract.
;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 15, 2012, 07:50:47 PM
This guy reminds me of all those who were saying "I'll donate $200 if you implement focus peaking". Ha ha...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 15, 2012, 08:04:29 PM
The problem is, what is he complaining about?
I don't get it.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 15, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
He expects a polished product, with the same quality that Canon firmware (which is written by a large team of engineers, testers etc, with proper documentation and equipment), and with 10x more features, and he's insulting g3gg0 for not meeting these expectations.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 15, 2012, 08:20:29 PM
He expects a polished product, with the same quality that Canon firmware (which is written by a large team of engineers, testers etc, with proper documentation and equipment), and with 10x more features, and he's insulting g3gg0 for not meeting these expectations.
Taking a plane to Japan and setting up a protest in front of Canon's HQ would have had much more sense.
 ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 15, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
Another one who did not understand, what is a Alpha version.


Thank you g3gg0 :), for me is wok good, i'm juste start the test in my 7D, take some picture and put after in the forum HDR :).

Sory for the english write, not good, i'm french ^^
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on October 15, 2012, 08:29:11 PM
Assuming that this forum is aimed at the public to help test this Alpha release, it would be handy if there was a single page on this forum that detailed

a) what functions are and are not (partially/fully) implemented in the current release
b) a list of issues that have been identified and acknowledged to date. (Hopefully updated regularly)

I realise we can get this info over several pages, I just thought it might help us all out
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Stedda on October 15, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
Another troll banned.

I hope you can ban his IP from all future downloads since he dislikes your guys work so much.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RM22 on October 15, 2012, 09:03:12 PM
TO:g3gg0

the battery is original..

i don't know , why ?

the camera can't check this battery...@@  all battery

The camera may be a problem

"Cannot communicate with battery use this battery?"

Make sure you have all the ML folders copied to your memory card,  not just the .fir file. Also, before you flash, check battery info in the Canon menu and make sure your battery is reporting status.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 09:06:24 PM
sorry, that there are people who dont know how to behave well in forums.
if you follow this thread, you will see that we indeed accept feedback that is not offending.

short howto:
BAD: saying this is a "pre-matured", "watered down" release and we should "write code instead of posting"
reason: destructive criticism, condescending "you do what i say - i have the money" (srsly, wtf?)

GOOD: well, nearly any other way of telling that you expected feature XY to be implemented.

but:
thanks to all the others who replied here, telling us what we have to know for the next releases. keep that going!
even if we didn't answer directly to your posts, we read them all and think/talk about how to fix issues that were found.
(this is perhaps your post left no open questions to ask ;) )

so lets continue this discussion.
thanks.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 15, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Assuming that this forum is aimed at the public to help test this Alpha release, it would be handy if there was a single page on this forum that detailed

a) what functions are and are not (partially/fully) implemented in the current release
b) a list of issues that have been identified and acknowledged to date. (Hopefully updated regularly)

I realise we can get this info over several pages, I just thought it might help us all out

The first post is regularly updated by g3gg0 himself or one of the mods
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 09:37:54 PM
a) what functions are and are not (partially/fully) implemented in the current release
b) a list of issues that have been identified and acknowledged to date. (Hopefully updated regularly)

a) there is a list of functions and the problems they cause at http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/7D_support
b) this thread is for identifying and documenting problems. some get fixed instantly, others will follow. there is no separate bugtracker.

Thank you g3gg0 :), for me is wok good, i'm juste start the test in my 7D, take some picture and put after in the forum HDR :).

you're welcome. thanks for contributing ;)

the camera can't check this battery...@@  all battery
The camera may be a problem
"Cannot communicate with battery use this battery?"

did i understand that correctly?
a) you tried more than just one battery?
b) camera tells you always (with every battery) that it could not comm. when you try to fw upgrade?
c) when you open "battery info" page it also tells you some error? (screenshot pls)
d) did you check your battery contact? (see photo below)

and please say yes/no for every single point to prevent confusion ;)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.g3gg0.de%2Fpub_files%2F9250a2a951aac1cfbef68f87db763125%2FIMG_3951_corr.jpg&hash=ad6c3274c4885416d73ae406cb1f77e8)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 15, 2012, 10:21:04 PM
Do you think creating another donation thermometer would help get the funds together faster to go towards the decompiling software you guys need? I think a lot of people here see donating as more as a gesture rather than something that is actually going to speed up development for our cameras. Once these guys get the software they need it will make it much easier to get all the features working and development should really speed up. Unfortunately it's very expensive and they should not have to foot any of the costs that go towards this since they are doing all the legwork. I have some money coming in at the beginning of next month and will be making another donation to you guys. Thanks again for all the great work.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: szigiszmund on October 15, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Hi, I tried the magic lantern on my 7d and everything seems to work fine.
I would like to know , when revisit the photos been made, and you press the Picture Style button, vectorscop can be expanded to cover the entire screen with histogram and waveform in both corners,
to decide better if the white balance is correct,and if needed to make further adjustments on white balance.The actual szize of vectorscope when review photos is a bit small(in my opinion)
And if possible then to have in the vectorscope menu the option for normal and full screen vectorscope.
Thanks and continue your excellent work.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 15, 2012, 11:48:20 PM
I would like to know , when revisit the photos been made, and you press the Picture Style button, vectorscop can be expanded to cover the entire screen with histogram and waveform in both corners,

can you please put that in the "Feature Requests" forum?
its not 7D-related, this would be a ML base feature.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: javyelow on October 16, 2012, 01:35:08 AM
Hi!! for me ML works well for the moment, maybe i need to learn new things to compruebe it!!

somebody could make a tutorial with the features in this alpha? :)
how to rec the video with a external device for example would be cool

g3gg0 thank you so much to became  our dreams come true
Do you think we could rec 3k format with magic latern in the future?
what features could be come true with the potential of the two cores? do yo imagine something?
or maybe a video h264 4:4:4 format?
more fps??
 :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Lopo on October 16, 2012, 02:02:50 AM
I'm a 7D owner and I am following your amazing work for a couple of years. This will be the first time I'll use ML, so I hope I'm not being too basic in my regards.

1. I noticed your team put a Canon firmware 2.0.3. Is it the normal firmware, released by Canon, or does it have anything different and we should update with this particular one you make available?

2. Would be great - if not remarkable! - if you could take advantage of the two Digic processor on the 7D to enhance the overall image and codec quality.

3. Maybe frame rates above 60fps,

4. Full HD on 60fps or higher (not the current 720p on 60fps limitation).

5. Pro real-time white-balance manual correction, without having to take a photo and then perform the adequate correction.

I just saw you ask, so I'll forward my wb request to "Features Requests".

Proud of you, guys.  :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 16, 2012, 05:12:01 AM
Tested out the alpha, it's amazing, it has a lttle lag while focus peaking and the features are a little slow, is that normal? I mean there are 2 cpu's... Could you please make the bitrate option available, or filming at a higher framerate maybe (I don't know if that's even possible :) 200 fps would be great or at least 100), and the motion detection option for taking lightning strikes shots would be great, thank you!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Jasonsilzle on October 16, 2012, 08:43:03 AM
Ugggg..... What a Nooob!!! >:(

Actually I have been doing this for so long I don't really qualify as a noob but man did I make a NOOB mistake. So you all know the little white box on the Canon DSLR that stares us directly in the face all the time (except when ML is running). Well... I decided to try the Alpha of ML on a job this weekend on the 7D and I was recording out to a Ninja 2 with all drawing OFF via ML. And it looks great except the white box decides to come on arbitrarily!! The worst part is I am so used to seeing it I totally ignore it through most of the day shooting. UGGGGG!!!!! Then to make it worst I think there were a couple of times I turned the camera off and then back on expecting ML to autoexe load like on our 60Ds (dooooooo).

I should have used the Ninja with one of our 60Ds as usual. I'll be waiting for the final release now... Bummer.

Thank you so much for the work you guys are doing with ML on the 7D and all the cameras it is awesome. We really appreciate it.I guess the main thing I wanted you to all know is that the white box on a clear drawing doesn't stay off at this point so keep an eye on it! Usually hitting the trashcan back to the ML menu and back will clear it. I also noticed hitting any other Canon menu item usually refreshes the White box and puts it back on screen.  :-\

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdove-weddings.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2Fwhitebox.jpg&hash=a94d0ef1f2f312c77c05a24e51841a4f)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 16, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Alpha is definitely not for production...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Gert arijs on October 16, 2012, 10:27:29 AM
First of all,
Thanks a lot to the team, it's great work.
I'd like to help you guys with some testing. So today I'll be testing some features with several lenses. But: I'm not a filmer, I'm a photographer. So I have no idea what I should be testing. My initial idea was to test things like focus peaking with all the lenses that are available to me, and then report it here.

What tests (with those lenses) could I do?

Best regards from Belgium,
Gert
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 10:38:37 AM
You can try what functions you find useful. For example, in photo mode I use zebras, histogram (both LV and playback), quick zoom, and sometimes display adjustment (e.g. for sunlight).

I'm not sure if SET+MainDial actions are enabled, but the default one is quite useful for checking highlight and shadow detail.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 16, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
Ugggg..... What a Nooob!!! >:(

Actually I have been doing this for so long I don't really qualify as a noob but man did I make a NOOB mistake. So you all know the little white box on the Canon DSLR that stares us directly in the face all the time (except when ML is running). Well... I decided to try the Alpha of ML on a job this weekend on the 7D and I was recording out to a Ninja 2 with all drawing OFF via ML. And it looks great except the white box decides to come on arbitrarily!! The worst part is I am so used to seeing it I totally ignore it through most of the day shooting. UGGGGG!!!!! Then to make it worst I think there were a couple of times I turned the camera off and then back on expecting ML to autoexe load like on our 60Ds (dooooooo).

I should have used the Ninja with one of our 60Ds as usual. I'll be waiting for the final release now... Bummer.

Thank you so much for the work you guys are doing with ML on the 7D and all the cameras it is awesome. We really appreciate it.I guess the main thing I wanted you to all know is that the white box on a clear drawing doesn't stay off at this point so keep an eye on it! Usually hitting the trashcan back to the ML menu and back will clear it. I also noticed hitting any other Canon menu item usually refreshes the White box and puts it back on screen.  :-\



damn !!!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
everything you shoot has this with box ?
i sure hope not.....

this alpha is not for productions..... man.
and there was several posts about the CLEAN hdmi output IN THIS thread ... few days ago...
theres a large chance that they will clean out the graphics that we all can have a clean HDMI to record.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 16, 2012, 12:48:04 PM
Is the canon 2.0.3 firmware you released on the site the same as the one from the official canon site? Or is it modified to suite the ML 7D Alpha?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
It's plain Canon firmware. We never distribute modified versions of Canon code, see FAQ.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 16, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
@Lopo:

the canon firmware we linked is just a link to canon download site, its the original firmware from original download servers.

we cannot simply improve quality by using the second digic. both are used for different things.
this doesnt simply allow us to somehow improve picture quality.

frame rates, as already stated in some other thread, are not patchable yet, and even if we could patch,
i don't expect more fps than any other camera can do. maybe 5 or 10 fps more. not sure. thats just a guess.


WB, yes - thats feature request. maybe some hotkey to smoothly alter WB towards current scene.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: halohunter on October 16, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
sorry for abit ahead, but when will alpha 2 release? :( i know alpha 1 just release last week and....as far as i tested myself, i don't have nay problems whatsoever, from software to hardware, so i really exciting for the next release and test out more features :D, i know i shouldnt ask this question right now but, u know ^^
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 01:33:42 PM
WB shortcut is already in stable ML, just needs ported.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mimiloveyou on October 16, 2012, 01:57:37 PM

Thank you very much for the work.
The HDR and the I-Frame is it possible on the 7D?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 16, 2012, 02:03:28 PM
Thank you very much for the work.
The HDR and the I-Frame is it possible on the 7D?


AUUAUUAUA,  Is possible :), to add HDR O-o. i'm very wow
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mitchfx on October 16, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Reading the release notes on the ML for 7D alpha and it says that "HDR Features" are not enabled yet.  Am I correct to assume this includes the exposure bracketing features?  This is the only feature I have been waiting on and will hold off downloading and installing if that is the case.  Hopefully this is in the works and will see the light of day soon!  Very excited to see 7D development finally coming to fruition!

Thanks,
M
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: madebysander on October 16, 2012, 04:04:06 PM
hello

thanks you all very much at first for keep on trying it.

i have a question every time when i set my 7d on of i have to reupdate the ML firmware from the card.
i'm i doing something wrong or ?

best regards sander
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 16, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
hello

thanks you all very much at first for keep on trying it.

i have a question every time when i set my 7d on of i have to reupdate the ML firmware from the card.
i'm i doing something wrong or ?

best regards sander

No you must re-update when you start the 7D, is normally
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: madebysander on October 16, 2012, 04:20:09 PM
ok thanks i didn't have to do it on the 600d from my father in law so  i thought i was doing something wrong
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thni on October 16, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
@madebysander :

"We can run Magic Lantern from autoexec.bin, but we still can not reliably enable the bootflag to execute it. This means, virgin cameras will only be able to run the .FIR version of ML for now. We know ways to enable the bootflag, but they would involve copyright issues. And that's something we want to avoid."

This means that You have to run the firmware updater manually everytime You turn on the camera for now, until the team (hopefully) find a way to use the bootflag method without breaking any copyrights...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 16, 2012, 04:42:11 PM
Reading the release notes on the ML for 7D alpha and it says that "HDR Features" are not enabled yet.  Am I correct to assume this includes the exposure bracketing features?  This is the only feature I have been waiting on and will hold off downloading and installing if that is the case.  Hopefully this is in the works and will see the light of day soon!  Very excited to see 7D development finally coming to fruition!

Thanks,
M

I've been playing with the ML. Yes, the bracketing features are all not enabled. Including the exposure bracketing.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 16, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
Cropmarks drops down when going back to live view.

I don't know if this is an issue with ML or just the 7D alpha, but here goes:

When reviewing shots with the cropmarks on, you can press the picture style button to bring up the ML histograms and whatnot, however if you immediately go back to live view, the cropmarks would be displayed lower, like in the playback mode, like so:

http://i.imgur.com/bJfiJ.png

A workaround is to go back to playback/review and make sure you get out of the ML histogram overlay, and back to the regular canon playback/review screen. The cropmarks would be returned to its regular position when going back to live view.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 04:59:34 PM
Can you tell me the exact key sequence? The same bug is probably in all 4:3 screen cameras, but I can't reproduce it on 500D.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 16, 2012, 05:24:35 PM
Can you tell me the exact key sequence? The same bug is probably in all 4:3 screen cameras, but I can't reproduce it on 500D.
I can't reproduce it as well on my 50D.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 16, 2012, 05:37:30 PM
sorry for abit ahead, but when will alpha 2 release? :( i know alpha 1 just release last week and....as far as i tested myself, i don't have nay problems whatsoever, from software to hardware, so i really exciting for the next release and test out more features :D, i know i shouldnt ask this question right now but, u know ^^

General forum etiquette is not to ask for ETA's. Not ragging on you but more just putting it out there for anyone else that is thinking about asking.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 16, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Can you tell me the exact key sequence? The same bug is probably in all 4:3 screen cameras, but I can't reproduce it on 500D.

Immediately after loading ML via firmware update:
Switch to movie record mode
Record video
stop recording
hit playback button (the one above the trash button)
hit picture style, let the overlays load with the histogram on top, etc
half-press the shutter button to go back to live view

Strange thing is, I just tried that, then my battery ran out. I've just put in a new battery and tried it again, but now the overlay wouldn't get dropped like that. Although I've been having issues with the overlay gets dropped intermittently over the last few days. Usually I'd need to reflash.

I wonder if I missed something...

I've been using the HD_TA and CINESCO2 overlays if that helps....
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 16, 2012, 05:46:19 PM
Okay, my 7D is toying with me. It happened again.

Here, I zipped my entire ML on the card with a screenshot of what happened: http://www.mediafire.com/?psndp1z3gebopxj
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 05:56:38 PM
Got it, it's race condition in cropmark redraw algorithm.

Possible fix, to be reviewed by g3gg0:

Code: [Select]
diff -r 67afabaabc34 src/zebra.c
--- a/src/zebra.c Tue Oct 16 18:30:46 2012 +0300
+++ b/src/zebra.c Tue Oct 16 18:56:48 2012 +0300
@@ -3910,6 +3910,7 @@
     crop_dirty = 0;
 }
 
+static int cropmark_cache_newsig = 0;
 static int cropmark_cache_sig = 0;
 static int cropmark_cache_get_signature()
 {
@@ -3921,15 +3922,15 @@
 }
 static void cropmark_cache_update_signature()
 {
-    cropmark_cache_sig = cropmark_cache_get_signature();
+    cropmark_cache_sig = cropmark_cache_newsig;
 }
 
 static int cropmark_cache_is_valid()
 {
     if (cropmark_cache_dirty) return 0; // some other ML task asked for redraw
     
-    int sig = cropmark_cache_get_signature(); // video mode changed => needs redraw
-    if (cropmark_cache_sig != sig) return 0;
+    cropmark_cache_newsig = cropmark_cache_get_signature(); // video mode changed => needs redraw
+    if (cropmark_cache_sig != cropmark_cache_newsig) return 0;
     
     return 1; // everything looks alright
 }
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 16, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
Awesome! That's fast. :D Great job.

Is it a setting I should avoid or something needs to be updated on the code?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 06:06:23 PM
Theoretical workaround: turn cropmarks off, then close ML menu, then turn them back on. Not tried, but it's just from analyzing the code.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 16, 2012, 06:10:02 PM
Awesome. Thank you. I'll try that next time it happens.

Cheers!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Gert arijs on October 16, 2012, 07:01:00 PM
Ok, I tried ML with the MP-E 65mm 1-5x macro lens. Everything went well, no issues. Focus Peaking and zebras were tested.
I'll try to do more tests/lenses as soon as I find the time.
Cheers!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: timster on October 16, 2012, 07:31:08 PM
Doesn't work with me... :'(

The install of 2.0.3 seems to work.
I formatted the card.
When I run the update with the ML FIR file, it jumps from the "Firmware update program" screen right to the normal screen.

I checked the checksum and tried over and over again. I tried both my CF cards and with the original canon battery.

Anything I could have missed?

Am I really the only one?

EDIT:
it was the trash key i was missing *feel stupid*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: bry on October 16, 2012, 07:39:58 PM
You're sure it's not working?
Did you press the Trash key to see if it loads ML menu?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 16, 2012, 07:42:45 PM
Also: a video of the issue is usually very helpful
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: fr_7D on October 16, 2012, 08:03:26 PM
Hello everyone

Thank you g3gg0, a1ex and the dev team. It is awesome!

I successfully installed ML on my 7D, using Linux (Simply unzip magiclantern-7D.203.Alpha1.zip on the root directory of the CF Card).
Now I have lots of work to understand how ML works :) I already like very much the Focus Peak feature.

Regards and keep the good work.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rpedro on October 16, 2012, 08:31:19 PM
Is the timelapse function on the alpha version? Cuz this is the only function interesting me.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 16, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
Yes, but you need to use an external intervalometer and read the first post ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 16, 2012, 08:47:53 PM
When I run the update with the ML FIR file, it jumps from the "Firmware update program" screen right to the normal screen.
I checked the checksum and tried over and over again. I tried both my CF cards and with the original canon battery.

On the menu that displays the firmware version, if it just says 2.0.3 then you do not have ML running (check your installation, copied to the right place, download not corrupt etc).

If it says something like "2.0.3-ml..." then it's installed and (presumably) working fine. Press the trash key, read the manual, etc :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: timster on October 16, 2012, 09:18:12 PM
now it works just fine! thanks guys!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 16, 2012, 09:38:15 PM
I'm not sure if this in intended behavior or not, or even specific to the alpha or not, but I'll post it anyhow.

With Zebras turned on with underexposure clipping, along with crop marks that black out a portion of the video, the underexposure zebra lights up the cropped out, black out area instead of just portions inside the video frame. Granted teh crop marks are in the video frame, but this is improper behavior.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 16, 2012, 09:40:28 PM
this is improper behavior.

right, and this is known as a general ML issue.
there might be a fix for this somwhen, when we know how to deal with that.
(its about digic registers)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thefrost on October 16, 2012, 11:03:40 PM
Just downloaded the files, and checked the MD5 of the FLIR...

I get:

c7404865229b62bac9e5bdc99eb057b0

Instead of :
29AF55CF2B404D2A60220BC9CC579EFD

Was the FLIR updated, or am I doing something wrong ? It does not match the MD5 of the zipfile either...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 16, 2012, 11:04:57 PM
the MD5 is of the ORIGINAL CANON 7D000203.FIR, not of magic lanterns 7D000203_ML.FIR
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thefrost on October 16, 2012, 11:13:51 PM
the MD5 is of the ORIGINAL CANON 7D000203.FIR, not of magic lanterns 7D000203_ML.FIR
Ahh. You mean, as CLEARLY stated in opening post ?
Thing is I already had 2.0.3 installed so I skipped that part... Thank you...

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: LEO_AR2012 on October 16, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
Loving this Firmaware!!!!!!!!!!!!

No issues whatsoever while using the original Canon battery.
But I get this message "cannot communicate with battery" when using a non Canon battery.
Could anyone tell me if there is gonna be a "way around" to this issue in the future or it is impossible to run this Firmware without Canon batteries?
Thanks in advance and Congrats for such of fantastic release for the 7D.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 16, 2012, 11:36:53 PM
Ahh. You mean, as CLEARLY stated in opening post ?

exactly identified by filename in troubleshooting section ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 16, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Congratulations Mr. g3gg0 more than 5000 downloads and going strong!  If you asked for $2 donation for each download you should have the new develpment tools in your hands.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 17, 2012, 12:01:51 AM
Congratulations Mr. g3gg0 more than 5000 downloads and going strong!  If you asked for $2 donation for each download you should have the new develpment tools in your hands.

thanks.
then we would have less than 500 downloads :D
but we would be able to buy IDA pro, thats correct :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 17, 2012, 12:04:51 AM
right, and this is known as a general ML issue.
there might be a fix for this somwhen, when we know how to deal with that.
(its about digic registers)
Ahhh, that makes more sense for focus peaking and zebras etc. The algorithms are working off of the video signal not the displayed resolution in Live View. That explains why I noticed focus peaking picking up the moire when in 720p mode as well...

A temp fix would be based off of the displayed markers (2x2 colored squares by the looks of it), and could just be limited by the crop marks like a mask. Though I can understand how that approach hasn't been taken as it's a tad bit lazy and wouldn't solve the actual problem of limiting the algorithms to just the pixels inside the cropped area. I'm happy to see that the whole ML team has the desire for a quality firmware.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: badazzery on October 17, 2012, 12:07:34 AM
OK, I'm so stoked at this development. I upgraded my firmware and loaded the ML 7D alpha. It comes up but the screen is gibberish, I can go from menu item to item but it is totally illegible. Anyone else here experiencing this?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 17, 2012, 12:14:38 AM
Can you upload a video of the issue? (From camera power-on to the "glitch")
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: badazzery on October 17, 2012, 12:20:43 AM
New at this. How do I post an image?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 17, 2012, 01:18:37 AM
Use an image hosting website (like http://imgur.com/) and post the "forum code" or link to the image that it gives you
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 17, 2012, 02:22:40 AM
OK, I'm so stoked at this development. I upgraded my firmware and loaded the ML 7D alpha. It comes up but the screen is gibberish, I can go from menu item to item but it is totally illegible. Anyone else here experiencing this?

Is it the same issue I describe here?:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3103.25

(Scroll down to my later posts for the cause and solution...)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ivanchang on October 17, 2012, 05:51:34 AM
Thanks to g3gg0:

Magic Lantern Alpha is available on my 7D,



My camera firmware 2.03

use Original battery

I update sequence is as follows

1.Update camera firmware to 2.0.3 again

2.Format my CF card

3.Remove CF card

4.copy alpha 1 firmware to  CF Card

5.Update firmware to 7D000203_ML.FIR

but my camera  canot loading alpha 1 firmware

Is still the old firmware :'(

why??


Can not be used Factors that communication with the battery
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: the802 on October 17, 2012, 06:58:17 AM
Looks awesome, just checking, do you have to reinstall the firmware upgrade everytime you turn on the camera for it to work?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 17, 2012, 07:10:04 AM
Yes, it's installed into RAM right now without autoboot
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: be21 on October 17, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
Hi

I have a small problem with the software. It installed onto the 7d perfectly and i was able to run it smoothly. But. whenever I turn off my 7d and turn it back on again the program uninstalls itself and its back to the canon V2.0.3 software

can anyone help me?

Thanks
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 17, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
I have a small problem with the software. It installed onto the 7d perfectly and i was able to run it smoothly. But. whenever I turn off my 7d and turn it back on again the program uninstalls itself and its back to the canon V2.0.3 software

can anyone help me?

This is intentional behaviour at this time.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 17, 2012, 10:48:01 AM
OK, I'm so stoked at this development. I upgraded my firmware and loaded the ML 7D alpha. It comes up but the screen is gibberish, I can go from menu item to item but it is totally illegible. Anyone else here experiencing this?

did you extract all files ans folders in the zip into your cards root folder?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 17, 2012, 01:57:53 PM
I created some custom cropmarks and if I load them on ML, it would freeze the camera.

http://www.mediafire.com/?2b8zs7eilb2exp9

Solved, thanks for the examples!

These cropmarks were using some non-RLE constructs, like uncompressed data in the middle of RLE, or large blobs of bitmap data skipped.

The parser is still not perfect (it won't handle all the extreme cases), but at least it now renders those cropmarks just fine.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 17, 2012, 02:24:02 PM
5596 downloade ^^ you can't buy the IDA Pro :), do you need more donation ?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 17, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
THIS THREAD IS ONLY 11 PAGES LONG. PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE THING BEFORE POSTING A QUESTION AS IT MOST LIKELY HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED SEVERAL TIMES. MANY TIMES THE ANSWER HAS BEEN ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE DUPLICATE QUESTION JUST A POST OR TWO UP!

Maybe a mod can put something at the top of the op instructing people to read the thread first before asking for help? This would only be about six or so pages long if it weren't for all the redundant questions.

-End rant


How far away are you guys from acquiring IDA Pro? I'm halfway tempted to just to give you guys the difference if it's not too much.

Testimony about the decompiling software in question and why donations are so important to not only the ML team but us as well.
Quote
"The application took me about 250 hours of labor to figure out the function. With IDA and Hex-Rays I was able to solve the same problem in about 3 hours."
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 17, 2012, 05:17:21 PM
I wondered if he had enough money to buy the IDA PRO.

read before writing

do you need more donation ?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 17, 2012, 05:23:31 PM
@Papa schulz:
the rant of 'stir fry a lot' was not against you, but the posts before that ask about .fir loading ;)


at the moment we are checking which license/OS we choose for which developer.
another 500 EUR and both, alex and me will get the HEXARM decompiler for our native OS :)
we are still discussing the exact configuration.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 17, 2012, 05:25:41 PM
I'm coming into some money at the beginning of next month. I assume 500eur is about $800 american? I can probably swing something very close to that in a matter of weeks. Keep the donations coming in though people. I'm not coming into that much money  :) I really want to do something for the devs to make their lives easier though. The time they are spending on this could be time well spent elsewhere instead.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Papa schulz on October 17, 2012, 05:26:40 PM
@Papa schulz:
the rant of 'stir fry a lot' was not against you, but the posts before that ask about .fir loading ;)

I'm sory "stir fry a lot"

thx for the reply g3gg0

Not easy to translation. I'm use google translation and is not very good some time. Sory
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 17, 2012, 05:28:25 PM
No prob  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 17, 2012, 05:57:56 PM
at the moment we are checking which license/OS we choose for which developer.
another 500 EUR and both, alex and me will get the HEXARM decompiler for our native OS :)
we are still discussing the exact configuration.

Ok, time for me to live up to my promise. One donation for the 7D announcement: done. One donation for the first alpha: Will do in a bit. I'll also donate again when the beta hits, and once again when the release hits. :)

Come on people, let's get these guys the tools they need...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 18, 2012, 01:58:12 AM
Awesome, useful, amazing! Can't wait for all the features to be available on the 7D :D! Do you think that will happen until Dec. 21 :)?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 18, 2012, 02:06:52 AM
ML for 7D is at more than 6000 downloads.  Ok now just work on Alpha 2, release it with a $1 donation and you should have your tools really quick. 

I am sure that everybody will be willing to pay $1 for Alpha 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 18, 2012, 09:01:53 AM
just to keep you informed:
intervalometer, bracketing (HDR, apterture) and bulb ramping seems to work fine.
i am just having shutdown issues which means, powering off the camera will turn the screen black, but it will still consume power.
this happens only after one of these functions was used.

removing battery and re-insert will of course work ;)
as this looks like a generic problem of shutting down (how tasks should behave) we are investigating this atm.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 18, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
just to keep you informed:
intervalometer, bracketing (HDR, apterture) and bulb ramping seems to work fine.
i am just having shutdown issues which means, powering off the camera will turn the screen black, but it will still consume power.
this happens only after one of these functions was used.

removing battery and re-insert will of course work ;)
as this looks like a generic problem of shutting down (how tasks should behave) we are investigating this atm.
Since you mention shutdown, is it safe to assume it cleanly boots from the card now?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Dallas56 on October 18, 2012, 09:55:39 AM
just to keep you informed:
intervalometer, bracketing (HDR, apterture) and bulb ramping seems to work fine.
i am just having shutdown issues which means, powering off the camera will turn the screen black, but it will still consume power.
this happens only after one of these functions was used.

removing battery and re-insert will of course work ;)
as this looks like a generic problem of shutting down (how tasks should behave) we are investigating this atm.

Great news, these are the features I am looking forward to using :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 18, 2012, 10:04:01 AM
Since you mention shutdown, is it safe to assume it cleanly boots from the card now?

it was doing that before, we use FIR for that alpha as
a) alphas are not for productional use, just for testing features
b) it is safer not to modify flash before we are not sure that it is safe
c) hey this device is worth 2k$, i wont recommend you to patch the flags yet ;)

this shutdown problem isnt linked to startup method. it also happens in FIR mode.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mimiloveyou on October 18, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
Good!!!Good!!!Good JOB!!!

Thank you for your energy.

Sorry for my bad english I'm french.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 18, 2012, 11:50:04 AM
it was doing that before, we use FIR for that alpha as
a) alphas are not for productional use, just for testing features
b) it is safer not to modify flash before we are not sure that it is safe
c) hey this device is worth 2k$, i wont recommend you to patch the flags yet ;)

this shutdown problem isnt linked to startup method. it also happens in FIR mode.

a) Yeah, but one can have some serious fun ;)
b) I've help with embedded platforms before, I understand what's going on
c) Yeah yeah yeah :p. Bricking this beautifully expensive tech is out of the question

You have no idea how much I (and obviously many others) appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for your dedication to this aging camera. I was fearful I'd have to drop ~500 on a T2i/T3i to get this toolset for recording video on a trip I'll be taking. I'm just antsy for more usable features. It's like Christmas for 7D owners yet we get to impatiently watching the toys being made in front of us ;).
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on October 18, 2012, 12:13:03 PM
You have no idea how much I (and obviously many others) appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for your dedication to this aging camera. I was fearful I'd have to drop ~500 on a T2i/T3i to get this toolset for recording video on a trip I'll be taking. I'm just antsy for more usable features. It's like Christmas for 7D owners yet we get to impatiently watching the toys being made in front of us ;).
Well put, I couldn't agree more.  :)

I'm an ML virgin so I'm very excited to have these new features on my 7D. I've followed the developments for a couple of years, always with my fingers crossed for the magic to happen on a 7D. (fingers are knackered now  :o )

I use, primarily, old manual lenses so the focus peaking/trap is invaluable to my dodgy old eyes, especially when using fast glass like the Nikon 50/1.2
I have now crossed my remaining fingers and toes for the HDR elements to come into play, but I'm a patient guy so if it arrives this year I'll be very happy.

Many thanks to all involved.  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sanderbontje on October 18, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
I use, primarily, old manual lenses so the focus peaking/trap is invaluable to my dodgy old eyes, especially when using fast glass like the Nikon 50/1.2
That's exactly why I bought a SmallHD DP4 field monitor last month, it has very good focus assist and peaking modes. Who would have known my 7D would be able to do that in the near future too!

Donated again. Thanks for the great weekend coming up, I will be testing ML. :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 18, 2012, 12:46:58 PM
just to keep you informed:

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: madebysander on October 18, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
Since you mention shutdown, is it safe to assume it cleanly boots from the card now?

totally awesome
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 18, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
totally awesome
Read his response, this is not the case. We will still have to load the firmware from the on camera update screen
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: madebysander on October 18, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
wrong quote my excusses
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 18, 2012, 09:51:49 PM
just to keep you informed:
intervalometer, bracketing (HDR, apterture) and bulb ramping seems to work fine.
i am just having shutdown issues which means, powering off the camera will turn the screen black, but it will still consume power.
this happens only after one of these functions was used.

removing battery and re-insert will of course work ;)
as this looks like a generic problem of shutting down (how tasks should behave) we are investigating this atm.

That is good to hear, g3gg0!! :D If you don't mind me asking, what about the video bitrate controls? Do they work? (in particular increasing the bitrate, and all-i?) There's no mention of that at the wiki...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 18, 2012, 10:07:05 PM
That is good to hear, g3gg0!! :D If you don't mind me asking, what about the video bitrate controls? Do they work? (in particular increasing the bitrate, and all-i?) There's no mention of that at the wiki...

nothing at all
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thefrost on October 19, 2012, 12:43:24 AM
Finally tried it out, and it works great. Just magic zoom alone makes it worth while.

However, I did notice something that might be perfectly fine, but might be an issue ? The second time I loaded ML, I noticed that my menu settings, and even my ghost image (just had to try), are still there. I would have thought that with this release all would be gone. Of course this is useful, but is there not the risk that a  'bugged' menu settings, makes the next loading of ML impossible, thereby basically bricking the camera (or at least making future ML loading impossible ?)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 19, 2012, 01:22:05 AM
settings etc are saved to card ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thefrost on October 19, 2012, 01:49:44 AM
settings etc are saved to card ;)
Ah!! Then it makes all sense. Clever.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: lhseong on October 19, 2012, 03:39:57 AM
Thanks @g3gg0, the alpha work really well.
I used chipped 3rd party battery and SD-CF adapter with SanDisk Extreme 64GB,
all work fine.
BTW, is the AGC disabler working now ?
Search through the wiki, seem no status update for it.

Again, thank you !
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 19, 2012, 07:34:32 AM
Isn't AGC disabled in 2.0.3?!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rock soderstrom on October 19, 2012, 07:59:08 AM
True, you can disable AGC since V2.0!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sgtpetter on October 19, 2012, 09:15:22 AM
Thank you for revitalizing my 7D!!!! Donated again. Keep up the great work!!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: lhseong on October 19, 2012, 10:22:24 AM
Isn't AGC disabled in 2.0.3?!
The option is available in 2.0.3,
but not in this 7D ML alpha.
Wiki also do not have status about it.
 
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 19, 2012, 10:25:22 AM
I'm sorry but I lost you there. This alpha needs 2.0.3 so it should be already available to you. We don't modify the original firmware. Check in the canon menus
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: lhseong on October 19, 2012, 10:34:47 AM
I'm sorry but I lost you there. This alpha needs 2.0.3 so it should be already available to you. We don't modify the original firmware. Check in the canon menus
oh, is the AGC disable mean set the "Sound recording" to manual ?
sorry that I am abit confuse as previously I used 550D + ML.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 19, 2012, 12:41:59 PM
nothing at all

http://i.imgur.com/p2qJk.jpg
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 19, 2012, 12:45:19 PM
oh, is the AGC disable mean set the "Sound recording" to manual ?
sorry that I am abit confuse as previously I used 550D + ML.

Yes, setting sound recording volume manually means AGC is disabled.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 19, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
oh, is the AGC disable mean set the "Sound recording" to manual ?
sorry that I am abit confuse as previously I used 550D + ML.
:o
Why do you want disable AGC if you don't even know what does it mean? :-)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 19, 2012, 01:53:19 PM
Hey guys, haven't had the chance to thank g3gg0 and the team yet, thanks guys!  ;D

In hopes to clear up the AGC concerns, AGC is just Auto Sound Levels (Auto Gain Control) which can be useful but the preamps in these DSLRs are too noisey so when set to high levels (whenever it got quiet) you would hear a "hiss" in the background.  7D's 2.0 firmware gave us Manual control over the sound recording so now it won't automatically jump up and introduce that "hiss", just be sure to manually set your levels low.  What he may be referring to though is the "Digital" and "Analog" Audio Gain found in the other versions of Magic Lantern.


This build is working great, just one bug I found.  Whenever I turn my Canon EOS 7D Camera Body off then back on again Magic Lantern disappears! It's like it's only stored in the Camera's RAM or something... Just Kidding ;-P

I did find a potential crash though, but haven't been able to reproduce it.

I had all the Magic Lantern Video features on (except False Color and Ghost Image) and I had Trap Focus enabled.  I was switching between Canon's "Custom User Settings" (C1 C2 C3) to take video and another to take pictures.  When switching back from C3 (my video settings) to C2 (my photo settings) suddenly Magic Lantern was gone.  I was reverted to the official Canon 2.0.3 firmware but just had to "re-upgrade" to Magic Lantern.  Everything was back, none of my Magic Lantern setting or Canon Menu setting were effected.  I assume the RAM got dumped when switching from C3 to C2, maybe I didn't realize the card was busy when I switched and that caused it but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet.  Also I had my Canon Menu "auto power off" feature off so I know it didn't go idle.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: lhseong on October 19, 2012, 07:50:22 PM
thanks guys for explain the AGC.  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Gert arijs on October 19, 2012, 09:46:57 PM
Probably not a bug: when I switch my 7D off and turn it back on (quickly, the 'sensor cleaning' isn't finished yet), ML stays on.
Maybe a bug or maybe intended (or not possible to change): shutter count is only updated after power down (and reinstall of ML).

Thanks again, i'm looking forward to test focus trap on magpies next week :-). Just for fun, if it works, i'll post it here!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 20, 2012, 01:03:39 AM
i'm continually using ML getting more and more of a the hang of it and Its great! Again thanks for all the time spent on this guys!

Something I did notice was that I wanted to save particular settings to the LV display presets.And when I try to make a particular preset using the waveform monitor, it changes in the other presets. This should not be the case as the rest of the settings of the features (that I know of) can be saved to a particular preset without it affecting another preset. So in a nutshell I have waveform set to FULL SCREEN in one preset and its that way in ALL presets.

Also if you can make the focal distance notifier/scale more responsive (quicker) that would be great. right now it takes a long time to load when u change the focal length.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chroma on October 20, 2012, 05:22:55 AM
New Member, First Post.

Thanks for developing the 7D ML software.  As a former RED ONE owner/operator, I'm very used to histograms and RGB overexposure indicators...So ML is GREAT!

I am noticing a strange behavior with my 7D using the new ML alpha, so I wanted to run it by you.

When I record a video 24p1080 with Canon 2.0.3 firmware, video file looks normal.

When I record a video 24p1080 with Canon 2.0.3 firmware with Marshall 5" Monitor connected via HDMI, video file looks normal.

When I record a video 24p1080 with ML firmware running, video file looks normal.

When I record a video 24p1080 with ML fimware running with Marshall 5" Monitor connected via HDMI, the video file recorded to the CF card has a periodic "stutter" or "dropped frames" throughout.

The video file shows the "dropped frames" when played back by the 7D, through the external HDMI or if the video file is copied and played back through a computer.

I am wondering if there's some kind of data "bottleneck" under those 3 specific conditions:  1, running  ML, 2, using external HDMI, 3, recording video.  Could this be happening because the 7D ML "alpha" is a CF card driven firmware, not flashed or installed?  Sorry if this is a bone-headed hypothesis!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 20, 2012, 09:36:39 AM
Are the dropped frames real or just 7D's CPU is too slow to playback the video file?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on October 20, 2012, 10:40:38 AM
Are the dropped frames real or just 7D's CPU is too slow to playback the video file?
It seems real.
"The video file shows the "dropped frames" when played back by the 7D, through the external HDMI or if the video file is copied and played back through a computer."





Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 20, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
I've had such reports before, and so far, in all cases, the computer / camera were not fast enough to play the video.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Funkyjam on October 20, 2012, 11:46:51 AM
Hey, It's my first time using ML and I have a small question.


After I turn my camera off and when turn on again I have to upgrade the firmware again so I have ML.

Is it normal or I did something wrong?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 20, 2012, 11:51:03 AM
It's normal to read the first post before posting ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Funkyjam on October 20, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Heheh Sorry :P

Thanks for the help and amazing job with ML.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 20, 2012, 06:40:41 PM
When I record a video 24p1080 with ML fimware running with Marshall 5" Monitor connected via HDMI, the video file recorded to the CF card has a periodic "stutter" or "dropped frames" throughout.

The video file shows the "dropped frames" when .... played back through a computer.

thanks for reporting.
can you a) run a card benchmark and b) send me your MAGIC.CFG?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chroma on October 20, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
I've had such reports before, and so far, in all cases, the computer / camera were not fast enough to play the video.

Not wanting to step on any toes here!

The PC I use for video editing is fast enough to play back RED 4k files at 24fps, and the 7D video files are copied from the CF card to the PC's hard drive.  I convert to CineForm DI for editing.  I've also gone frame by frame and you can see the jump (in both mp4 orginals and CF avi DIs).

The "dropped frames" situation only seems to occur when the camera is in ML w/ the Marshall monitor hooked through the HDMI...also the 7D is in Manual mode when I shoot video.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 20, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
thanks for reporting.
can you a) run a card benchmark and b) send me your MAGIC.CFG?

@chroma:
np.
can you do this please? thanks.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chroma on October 20, 2012, 09:32:10 PM
@chroma:
np.
can you do this please? thanks.

Ran 2 different Benchmarks.  First, clean ML boot with No Monitor Attached:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!132&authkey=!AOZD8t2Pd1dMjkA (https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!132&authkey=!AOZD8t2Pd1dMjkA)

2nd, clean ML boot with the Marshall Monitor Attached:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!133&authkey=!AItmv5ki8o_HASQ (https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!133&authkey=!AItmv5ki8o_HASQ)

Praying you can download these files!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 20, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
Ran 2 different Benchmarks.  First, clean ML boot with No Monitor Attached:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!132&authkey=!AOZD8t2Pd1dMjkA (https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!132&authkey=!AOZD8t2Pd1dMjkA)

2nd, clean ML boot with the Marshall Monitor Attached:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!133&authkey=!AItmv5ki8o_HASQ (https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=E642B6CE19214075!133&authkey=!AItmv5ki8o_HASQ)

Praying you can download these files!

"Something went wrong and we can't sign you in right now. Please try again later."

you can use: http://upload.g3gg0.de/
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 21, 2012, 12:39:15 AM
"Something went wrong and we can't sign you in right now. Please try again later."

you can use: http://upload.g3gg0.de/

The links worked for me so I went ahead and uploaded them for you. cheers
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 21, 2012, 12:48:33 AM
thanks!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 21, 2012, 01:14:25 AM
i tried it with a samsung smart tv with 1920x1080.
recorded a video of a green laser pointer dot moving over a surface.
couldnt notice any drops there.

can you explain the scene more detailed and post some images?
i think that would help a lot.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chroma on October 21, 2012, 02:33:50 AM
Here's what I've found.

With the ML booted, 1080p24 video with the Marshall monitor connected through HDMI, the problem occurs on BOTH Live View and Record.  Pan the camera fast, back and forth and there's a periodic "hitch" or "freeze."

When I turn OFF "GLOBAL DRAW," everything works Normal.

So I re-enabled GLOBAL DRAW and started turning off items in the OVERLAY menu.  What I've found is that if you turn OFF HISTOGRAM and WAVEFORM, the problem goes away totally.

If you enable HISTOGRAM, it works longer between hitches.

If the MAGIC ZOOM is red dotted (can't use under 1080i), it makes the problem worse.  Disabling it (no dot) makes things a little better.

AUDIO METERS and the SPOTMETER have no effect, they are fine enabled or disabled.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 21, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
thanks a lot. it looks like some CPU load issue.
will try with panning.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: exe on October 22, 2012, 12:16:26 AM
Great work g3gg0!!! Any news on an alpha 2 maybe or the motion detection function? Thank you for all the hard work and dedication!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 22, 2012, 12:56:07 AM
* please don't beg for adding feature XYZ, it will be added as soon as it works without issues.

In general, it's best if people don't pressure the devs about what/when etc and just let them get on with it - when there is something to announce, they'll announce it... ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 22, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
I've been using the False colour in Marshall monitor mode and the colors aren't accurate in regards to the actual Marshall monitor colour Key (which is the same as Zacuto EVF which i usually use) .For example...the pink on the Marshall key is actually orange for Magic lantern. The clipped areas which are red on the Marshall is Black on magic lantern and the different areas of yellow shades on the Marshall are different shades of red on magic lantern. I'm not sure how you guys program the colour but if you can use something like a eyedropper tool to sample the colour from the actual Marshall colour key it would be great. I think this is quite important.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 22, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
If you can tell us the exact Marshall palette, we'll use it. What ML uses was approximated from the graphs on their site.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 22, 2012, 07:41:31 PM
my mistake...i thought I included the table http://www.fstopacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/falseCol_table.gif
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 22, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
Use the spotmeter and write down the exact values where the color transitions should be.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 22, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
From Photoshop the codes for the Marshall false colour from Bottom to top are as follows:

Fushia=ed1585 or R=237, G=21,B=133
1st layer of Blue= 007ac0  or R=0,G=122,B=192
2nd layer Blue=4893cd  or R=72,G=147,B=205
1st layer of Gray=585858 or R=88,G=88,B=88
Green=64bc47 or R=100,G=188,B=71
2nd layer of Gray=828282 or R=130,G=130,B=130
Pink=f19f9f or R= 241,G=159,B=159
3rd layer of Gray=aeadac or R=174,G=173,B=172
1st layer yellow=e7e514 or R=231,G=229,B=20
2nd layer Yellow=f7ec1f  or R=274, G=236,B=31
3rd layer yellow=ffc60a  or R=255,G=198,B=10
Red=ff4343 or R=255,G=67,B=67


Zacuto is very similar...not the same, but close. I can provide the Zacuto EVF also if you like.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 22, 2012, 08:16:31 PM
Did I tell you to use the spotmeter?

I need to know e.g. from luma 128 to luma 140 the display should be blue; from 140 to 150 should be pink etc. I don't see this information in your post.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jamz on October 22, 2012, 08:22:59 PM
will do. I didn't quite understand first.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: endelight on October 23, 2012, 08:18:06 AM
Hello!

I installed ML Alpha 1 for 7D several times and followed always exactly the instructions. But: nothing happens when I press the DELETE button. Display remains black. Everything else works. I have now re-installed ML 5x.

I use a Sandisk Ultra 8GB CF-Card.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 23, 2012, 09:04:32 AM
Hello!

I installed ML Alpha 1 for 7D several times and followed always exactly the instructions. But: nothing happens when I press the DELETE button. Display remains black. Everything else works. I have now re-installed ML 5x.

I use a Sandisk Ultra 8GB CF-Card.

Any ideas?

what is ML 5x !?

can you please upload a video where you show what steps you've done?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: endelight on October 23, 2012, 09:07:55 AM
what is ML 5x !?

can you please upload a video where you show what steps you've done?

5x = 5 times...

Thanks for your post! BUT I am such a M-O-R-O-N. I have downloaded the original firmware (17MB) and installed it over and over again... until I saw there is another download for the ML alpha 1.  ::)

I am ashamed  :-[

Now it works! You guys are gods! Thank you very much!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 23, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
n/p :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dutchguy on October 23, 2012, 10:26:50 AM
I noticed a problem when using ML: when I tried to focus normally (not using LiveView) using a focus point other than the middle focus point, the camera could not lock the focus. When I turned off the camera (so ML was deactivated) and tried again, focus was working fine.

I have not tried this again, so it could be a one-time problem, but maybe someone else can try to reproduce?

Anyway for the rest ML was working fine, the magic zoom is great (although it flickers quite a lot).
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 23, 2012, 10:33:08 AM
Normally, ML should not alter AF functionality at all.

Please try to reproduce.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dutchguy on October 23, 2012, 10:46:05 AM
Magic Zoom usually flickers in high-FPS modes. Try changing the size or the position, it sometimes helps.

There is a way to implement it flicker-free, but at the risk of altering frame rate and introducing jitter.
Is it also a known issue that it flickers on 1080p 25fps? I'll try changing the size to see if that helps.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dutchguy on October 23, 2012, 11:19:10 AM
Normally, ML should not alter AF functionality at all.

Please try to reproduce.
Ok, I will try to reproduce using the same conditions.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rebel_rob on October 23, 2012, 10:23:36 PM
if this has been answered already i'm sorry, but i can't seem to upload the ML file to the root of the camera. is there any specific reason why this is happening? both firmwares seemed to have installed to the camera just fine but this is the only thing holding me from being able to get magic lantern.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FioyMn.jpg&hash=06dd5a1f5a67b7d57973ff9a6d26301e)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 23, 2012, 10:29:27 PM
So Canon's next 5D3 firmware update will include Clean 4:2:2 HDMI out and center point Phase Detect AF for f/8 which they've also recently enabled on the 1DX with a firmware update.

My question is, will there be any possibility of enabling f/8 Phase Detect Auto Focusing for the 7D through Magic Lantern?

Thanks for all your work! ;-D   
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 23, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
Most probably not. Magic Lantern does not copy Canon code, see FAQ.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on October 23, 2012, 10:35:29 PM
if this has been answered already i'm sorry, but i can't seem to upload the ML file to the root of the camera. is there any specific reason why this is happening? both firmwares seemed to have installed to the camera just fine but this is the only thing holding me from being able to get magic lantern.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FioyMn.jpg&hash=06dd5a1f5a67b7d57973ff9a6d26301e)


Looks like you are using the 7D as a card reader. If that is so, then the behavior is expected. The camera will only allow VERY limited accessability to the CF-card. And writing weird folder-structures(as we have to with ML) isn't part of it. The only way to install ML right now is to use an external card reader (not the camera) to write the files needed to the card.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 23, 2012, 10:41:30 PM
Most probably not. Magic Lantern does not copy Canon code, see FAQ.

Ah I see, so the feature isn't already in there just limited to f/5.6, this would actually require writing/re-writing new code which Canon now owns.

Ok, thanks anyway.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rebel_rob on October 23, 2012, 10:42:16 PM
Thanks jmalmsten! i didn't know that. well it's too bad that i don't have a card reader then :\ looks like i'll have to wait for the official version.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on October 23, 2012, 10:54:02 PM
There are no signs that Canon might release an official version of Magic Lantern yet.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 23, 2012, 11:23:41 PM
There are no signs that Canon might release an official version of Magic Lantern yet.
:o
why not ? its better then their crappy firmware.

ML = android for canon ! (screw itunes)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 23, 2012, 11:24:38 PM
:o
why not ? its better then their crappy firmware.

ML = android for canon ! (screw itunes)
??? ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: rebel_rob on October 23, 2012, 11:55:12 PM
haha sorry i guess i meant a more stable non-alpha version of ML for the 7D. not official as in Canon providing it.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 23, 2012, 11:57:47 PM
haha sorry i guess i meant a more stable non-alpha version of ML for the 7D. not official as in Canon providing it.
Are you actually reading what is being posted? The problem with your 7D is not the alpha state but the lack of a simple and cheap card reader. Are you seriously saying that you can't afford one? LOL.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: robertzemekis on October 24, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
Very good work! We wait stable release! Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 24, 2012, 11:26:39 PM
what do you video guys think of that? ;)


(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.g3gg0.de%2Fpub_files%2F56f848c6d468f9bc1955486fcec8d6ba%2Fnitrate_7D.PNG&hash=f38260a883413a5f2e5add3e30b49fec)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 24, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdrawitchan.org%2Fsticks%2FCerealSpitting.png&hash=27c3773af3a0e35a4caf8134b4183a93)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on October 24, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
Soooo... am I reading that right when I say that it's analytics of a video that is variable bitrate with average bitrate of around 100 Mbps and maxing out at 200Mbps? sounds interesting... would like to see example videos and how we can use it...

Anyways... Sounds awesome. :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sanderbontje on October 24, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
That is truly one of the ML surprises that one could have only dreamt of!  :o

Fantastic.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 24, 2012, 11:51:47 PM
yep, right :)

but i have one problem....
could not get higher than 200mbit/s using CBR parameters. tried x5.5 now and i dont get higher... hmmm
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 24, 2012, 11:56:19 PM
AWESOOOOOOOOME! ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on October 25, 2012, 12:16:40 AM
at what point does the bitrate become redundant considering that what we have to work with is 4:2:0 8bit?

3x8bit=24bit per pixel
1920x1080 is 2 073 600 pixels


2 073 600 x 24 = 49 766 400 bits per frame


49 766 400 x 24 fps = 1 194 393 600 bits per second... roughly 1 gigabit per second when in totally uncompressed mode. So with 100Mbps we get around 1:10 compression compared to the 1:20 that the standard can max out to in 50Mbps...

If my math is correct, that is, of course.

But at what point does the data start being redundant? I've seen some cameras hack out to 300Mbps. how much difference is there?

I mean.. like when they scan film... at some point, the resolution is redundant and all you're doing is recording grain-structure. Sure, I can scan Super8 in 8K... But it won't look that much better than a 720p scan since the grain is so big... for example... Or is it that it doesn't truly become redundant until we record 1080p with a 1Gbps codec? :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 25, 2012, 12:22:27 AM
now hit the limit...

...of my CF card i guess....

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.g3gg0.de%2Fpub_files%2F0b6054aedd928942fcde38d4ef3fb40e%2Fnitrate_7D.PNG&hash=2b7f9139b3961a19c582610da0ea558e)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 25, 2012, 12:53:25 AM
someone here with a card benchmark that shows more than 33MiB/s ?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: szigiszmund on October 25, 2012, 01:03:48 AM
hi , my sandisk card shows writing buffer=128k :26.9,end writing buffer=16384: 60 mib/s
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on October 25, 2012, 01:37:33 AM
now hit the limit...

...of my CF card i guess....

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.g3gg0.de%2Fpub_files%2F0b6054aedd928942fcde38d4ef3fb40e%2Fnitrate_7D.PNG&hash=2b7f9139b3961a19c582610da0ea558e)
Wow, but is it worth the epic size?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 25, 2012, 05:09:28 AM
someone here with a card benchmark that shows more than 33MiB/s ?

I was just about to go out and get a new card. How fast do you need?

I can try some cards out at the store.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 25, 2012, 05:11:22 AM
Wow, but is it worth the epic size?

If it is possible to mitigate the 4gb limit and shoot continuously after hitting 4gb: yes! If it's not, well, we'll just have to shoot shorter scenes, so: YES!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 25, 2012, 05:45:16 AM
If it is possible to mitigate the 4gb limit and shoot continuously after hitting 4gb: yes! If it's not, well, we'll just have to shoot shorter scenes, so: YES!

Well at about 245 Mbps that's like 2 minutes of footage per 4GBs (if it's a constant bitrate that is) but that should be enough for one scene :)  and we would need at least a 30MB/s write speed so something like a "500x" 40MB/s Card would be ideal.  I've seen them sold for about $2.50 per gig so you could think of it as $5 per minute ;D

Any chance of seeing a resolution chart video with the 7D at 200mbps :-D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mimiloveyou on October 25, 2012, 06:35:14 AM
The GOP is it changed?

Very good job.
Thank you.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 25, 2012, 07:56:13 AM
The GOP is it changed?

Very good job.
Thank you.

I assume it's still IPP, which (correct me if I'm wrong) is really only a concern for recording fast erratic movements.  Increasing bitrate helps resolve higher levels of detail in the image which I think is more important. (Though I've also heard the 5D3's "ALL-I mode" helps reduce morie and aliasing but haven't seen for myself)

I remember reading somewhere that in Canon's encoding process, 1 out of 15 frames are fully recorded and the rest attempt to "predict" the frame; in the "predicted frames" only the changes from the previous frame are recorded and anything that did not change is basically copied and pasted to the next frame so adding "B-Frames"(IPB) to that mix would be very helpful for those "Predicted frames" but I think that would require messing with Canon's code which ML doesn't do.  Making it Intra however might be easier by telling the encoding "OMG every single pixel changed since the last frame, so quick record it all!" for every frame lol.

But these are all guesses on my part, I'm not an engineer just a observant user ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mimiloveyou on October 25, 2012, 08:13:57 AM
GOP 3 with EOS 600D


Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 25, 2012, 08:49:51 AM
GOP 3 with EOS 600D

What means GOP 3?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 25, 2012, 09:15:38 AM
GOP 3 with EOS 600D


Oh cool, I didn't realize ML already did GOP controls!  GOP3 is close enough to ALL I for me, hope this can port to the 7D! ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 25, 2012, 09:19:09 AM
What means GOP 3?

It means only 2 frames are being predicted per "group of pictures" instead of 14 in the standard IPP compression.  "All-I" means no predicted frames so "All-I" is GOP1
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Shizuka on October 25, 2012, 09:24:09 AM
It should be noted that for the same bitrate, shorter GOPs yield significantly poorer compression. GOP=18 is more efficient.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 25, 2012, 09:27:22 AM
Ah this guy shot with a ML beta 600D in All-I mode! And apparently I heard wrong; stock Canon encoding is GOP12 not GOP15. 24fps recordings are GOP12 while 30fps and 60fps recordings are GOP15

"Gettin' High - Super Neutral Log Picture Style Test" on Vimeo http://vimeo.com/andy600/gettinhigh
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 25, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
i didn't check GOP, but it is at its default value. maybe 12, maybe 18. not sure.

didnt play with that yet. i just increased the write rate by flushing buffers more often, so a higher bitrate wont fill the buffers.
result is a possible, constant card write process at maximum rate of CBR x9.0 (LED permanently lit)
tried with 600D too, but my SD card couldn't handle more than 150mbit/s.

i recorded my monitor which displayed 'cat /dev/urandom | hexdump ...' in fullscreen to get that high bitrate.

i will analyze the video content tonight. but i remember that canon only uses I and P frames.
they do not implement B-frames (bidirectionally predictive coded).
however P-frames are the ones containg a lot of information from previous frame if possible, mixed with
some new data, unique on the current frame.

the 4GiB limit is not likely to get removed in 7D, as it works with 32 bit file sizes.
600D works with 64 bits, so this one is possible to override 4GiB limit.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 25, 2012, 09:45:13 AM
Ah this guy shot with a ML beta 600D in All-I mode! And apparently I heard wrong; stock Canon encoding is GOP12 not GOP17.

correct, default GOP is 12. but on 7D there are also encoder options that say 18. maybe thats 720, didnt check.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 25, 2012, 09:46:25 AM
It should be noted that for the same bitrate, shorter GOPs yield significantly poorer compression. GOP=18 is more efficient.

You mean requires higher compression rates.

Right, cause you're leaving less information headroom for each frame, that's why I think a higher bitrate is more important than changing GOP; a higher bitrate means less compression so you get fewer compression artifacts and more detail while shorter GOP means less predicted frames so you get more accurate fast movements and more natural motion blur.

Thanks for looking out Shizuka
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mimiloveyou on October 25, 2012, 10:32:17 AM
A small GOP. is best quality.
Details in the image are thinner. (fine details)

Sorry for my bad English.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sanderbontje on October 25, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
I ran into two small things.

1) Does anyone else have trouble disabling the white graph that looks a bit like an exposure history graph? At least that's what I think it is, it's the little white graph that is refreshing slowly from the right and placed on the bottom right. Or is it a CPU load graph? This one:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHH1CW.png&hash=63afc4e5837f3f291bd936bff4b51737)

I can reproduce it like this:
- a fresh and clean install of ML
- hit trash can, disable all overlays individually except magic zoom (and Global Draw is on, of course)
- hit Live View and the white graph is still there

- in Display > Advanced Settings change the screen mode to '16:10 HDMI', the graph is gone.
- same for all other screen modes except '4:3 Movie'
- change back to screen mode '4:3 Movie', and the white graph is back again.

2) I would have liked to include a few screenshots, but the screenshot action does not seem to work right for me. I selected the 'Screenshot - 10s' option in the Debug menu, pressed Set, browsed to the settings page I wanted to take a screenshot from and expected it to take a screenshot after 10 secs and save it on the CF card. After about two or three seconds the camera bleeped and the red 'writing to card' LED lit up for a moment. There was no blinking each second to indicate a countdown.

After a few attempts I found several screenshots on the card with file dates that correspond to the time of testing, but they are all named TEST.BMP (yes, each one). Next to them were some VRAMX.422 files with the liveview images. The bmp's all contain exactly the same screenshot taken from the Debug menu, like this:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpOUgc.png&hash=54139be97d8910e3fe08565d22cb17a4)

The YUV 422 images all seem okay though, after converting them (using this converter (http://www.diazonline.be/yuv422/)).

Maybe I am doing something wrong, or is the screenshot mechanism not yet ready for the 7D? What is the recommended procedure?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 25, 2012, 05:23:18 PM
Will HDR Video be included in Alpha 2?  Need it soon..
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: StefanKeller.AC on October 25, 2012, 05:40:55 PM
I noticed a problem when using ML: when I tried to focus normally (not using LiveView) using a focus point other than the middle focus point, the camera could not lock the focus. When I turned off the camera (so ML was deactivated) and tried again, focus was working fine.

I have not tried this again, so it could be a one-time problem, but maybe someone else can try to reproduce?


I had this two times! (in good light-conditions) 
After first restart AF worked for 2 or 3 pictured than failed again, center AF-Point worked, after restart it works with and without ML...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 25, 2012, 05:52:03 PM
I had this two times! (in good light-conditions) 
After first restart AF worked for 2 or 3 pictured than failed again, center AF-Point worked, after restart it works with and without ML...

That's interesting, I'ven't been having any of these issues. What focus mode have y'all been using? (i'm using AI Servo a lot so that could be it)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 25, 2012, 05:54:57 PM
2) I would have liked to include a few screenshots, but the screenshot action does not seem to work right for me. I selected the 'Screenshot - 10s' option in the Debug menu, pressed Set, browsed to the settings page I wanted to take a screenshot from and expected it to take a screenshot after 10 secs and save it on the CF card. After about two or three seconds the camera bleeped and the red 'writing to card' LED lit up for a moment. There was no blinking each second to indicate a countdown.

After a few attempts I found several screenshots on the card with file dates that correspond to the time of testing, but they are all named TEST.BMP (yes, each one). Next to them were some VRAMX.422 files with the liveview images. The bmp's all contain exactly the same screenshot taken from the Debug menu, like this:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpOUgc.png&hash=54139be97d8910e3fe08565d22cb17a4)

The YUV 422 images all seem okay though, after converting them (using this converter (http://www.diazonline.be/yuv422/)).

Maybe I am doing something wrong, or is the screenshot mechanism not yet ready for the 7D? What is the recommended procedure?


Screenshot feature delays screen shotting for 10 seconds. Just hit screenshot and navigate away to what you want to screenshoot. Wait until it beeps. Beeep means screen is shot.

Rename test.bmp before copying off the card. Yes, they're all called test.bmp but they're from different screen shots.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: tferradans on October 25, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
Tested it during this week, on a friend's camera, for a few days in a row. Great results and absolutely no problems with the enabled features so far!

Great work!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 25, 2012, 10:42:52 PM
Wow, but is it worth the epic size?

i am a video guy ...but  i dont really know whats that mean.... :-[
better quality ? no compression ? better compression ? what exactly the meaning ?.....

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 25, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
i uploaded a test video.  7 seconds, 254 MiB....
used a very high f-stop and very high ISO to get a lot of noise.

will shoot trees outside on weekend.

http://upload.g3gg0.de/pub_files/58018fa07888c1c9023edf21ee15eab3/MVI_3014.MOV
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: sibero80 on October 25, 2012, 11:28:57 PM
i uploaded a test video.  7 seconds, 254 MiB....
used a very high f-stop and very high ISO to get a lot of noise.

will shoot trees outside on weekend.

http://upload.g3gg0.de/pub_files/58018fa07888c1c9023edf21ee15eab3/MVI_3014.MOV

DOWNLOADING! Thanks!  by the way, if you could record mounted on a tripod, with and without modified bitrate, id would be of huge help for comparinson!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 25, 2012, 11:29:17 PM
i am a video guy ...but  i dont really know whats that mean.... :-[
better quality ? no compression ? better compression ? what exactly the meaning ?.....

Typically, DSLR's use fairly heavy compression. This keeps the file sizes down, at the expense of "quality". How that loss of quality appears will depend on the footage. For example, if you have an area in the frame of very high detail, like a sparkly shiny cloth, that will rob the video of much of it's bandwidth, causing other parts of the frame to lose detail and be washed out.

Increasing the bit rate means there is less overall compression and more bandwidth, which means that cases like these don't rob the video of quality and fine details. This is only one example, there are other cases where you can also see artifacts, poor compression, blocky handling, loss of detail etc.

Now - if you are shooting video and for your purposes are fine with the default quality, then you don't need to increase the bit rate.

However, there are some of us that do want this control, and to have the ability to increase the birate if the scenario requires it - so, it's a good feature to have.. ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on October 26, 2012, 12:34:39 AM
Typically, DSLR's use fairly heavy compression. This keeps the file sizes down, at the expense of "quality". How that loss of quality appears will depend on the footage. For example, if you have an area in the frame of very high detail, like a sparkly shiny cloth, that will rob the video of much of it's bandwidth, causing other parts of the frame to lose detail and be washed out.

Increasing the bit rate means there is less overall compression and more bandwidth, which means that cases like these don't rob the video of quality and fine details. This is only one example, there are other cases where you can also see artifacts, poor compression, blocky handling, loss of detail etc.

Now - if you are shooting video and for your purposes are fine with the default quality, then you don't need to increase the bit rate.

However, there are some of us that do want this control, and to have the ability to increase the birate if the scenario requires it - so, it's a good feature to have.. ;)

 8) got it....... thats why g3gg0 said he is gonna shoot some trees...there is  Always in the  green leaves some quality loss - pixels.....

10x.... ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Northwinds on October 26, 2012, 01:23:31 AM
Really impressed so far!
Just one problem in Live view I keep getting the little temperature icon warning.
This is happening when I just switched on so seems unlikely to be a real temp issue.
Is there a way to disable this?

Apologies if this has already been covered but i'm still making my way through these posts and other info, hoping to use this when filming for a friend tomorrow.

Thanks for all this!
Cheers!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 26, 2012, 02:06:09 AM
will shoot trees outside on weekend.

Any chance for another alpha so we can shoot trees on weekend, too? :3
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: hjfilmspeed on October 26, 2012, 06:49:20 AM
Sheesh! thats fast! Now im wondering whos going to prove to be the powerhouse? The 5d3 or the 7d. Great work yall as always im impressed!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 26, 2012, 09:22:03 AM
I'm pretty sure it's the 5D3, for starters the 7D is 32bit rather than 64bit (so no getting around the 4GB limit file sizes) but I do consider the 7D a close second now that it has ML, Thanks again g3gg0 ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 26, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
Any chance for another alpha so we can shoot trees on weekend, too? :3

alpha 2? i doubt that since i am busy this weekend.
but i will try to get another alpha out maybe mid november.

the only problem - some features cause the camera to not shut down clean.
i will have to investigate and work around this problem.
this can be done in 2 hours, or it could take 2 weeks.

i could prepare a special version that only adds bitrate (errh, nitrate), but this would be for a small number or persons only.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: edwmotion on October 26, 2012, 09:50:06 AM
now hit the limit...

...of my CF card i guess....

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.g3gg0.de%2Fpub_files%2F0b6054aedd928942fcde38d4ef3fb40e%2Fnitrate_7D.PNG&hash=2b7f9139b3961a19c582610da0ea558e)

267mbps ??? WTF???????????  :o    ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on October 26, 2012, 01:39:05 PM

i could prepare a special version that only adds bitrate (errh, nitrate), but this would be for a small number or persons only.

I would definetly try it!  Could you enable HDR video if its working also?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: unimatrix098 on October 26, 2012, 01:47:00 PM
I'm looking to buy a Canon DSLR (because of Magic Lantern  :) ) and I'm looking at 60D and 7D. Can someone give me rough estimation for a version on 7D (not 100% of the features, more like 70%, HDR is more important for me... ). So 3-6 months or more than an year? This will greatly help me in my decision, thanks! :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on October 26, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
I'm sorry but I lost my crystall ball when I moved here  :-\
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on October 26, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
I'm looking to buy a Canon DSLR (because of Magic Lantern  :) ) and I'm looking at 60D and 7D. Can someone give me rough estimation for a version on 7D (not 100% of the features, more like 70%, HDR is more important for me... ). So 3-6 months or more than an year? This will greatly help me in my decision, thanks! :)

Once they get the decompiling software they need development will really speed up. Unfortunately it's really expensive so it's up to us to raise the money for it. I think they're fairly close to their goal and I plan on contributing a large sum pretty soon but it'd be cool if everyone that downloads ML could throw these guys a little support. I "imagine" they'd be able to get 70% working well before a year but that also depends on how quickly this software comes through for them too. The software will also aid in the development of all the other bodies as well AFAIK.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 26, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
Thankful for curing a bad case of "Magic Lantern Envy" I reactivated my PayPal account and donated.
I almost gave up hope and caught myself thinking about a 6xxD ...

You know you rock, don't you?

Ciao, Walter
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thhedk on October 26, 2012, 07:39:19 PM

the 4GiB limit is not likely to get removed in 7D, as it works with 32 bit file sizes.
600D works with 64 bits, so this one is possible to override 4GiB limit.

My old Canon HF100 and my GoPro also has a 4GB limit, but they don't stop, they just continue on a new file with no gab when you put them together in Premiere.
Do you know why 7D stops, and can you something about it?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: krump on October 26, 2012, 07:41:21 PM
Just to Ping in and express my graditude... a million thanks from the icy tundra
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 26, 2012, 08:04:19 PM
i could prepare a special version that only adds bitrate (errh, nitrate), but this would be for a small number or persons only.

Have lots of cards, and willing to try! :D

Please please pretty please with sugar lumps on top? :3
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Stedda on October 26, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
The people that have nothing to contribute ask for the most, what a world.   ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cbrgta on October 26, 2012, 10:32:36 PM
great job g3gg0 and team!!
Love ML on my 7D. Just made a donation to help the cause  :D

can't wait for the alpha2 with intervalometer, bracketing and mostly increased video bitrate  8)

thanks a lot guys!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 26, 2012, 11:26:25 PM
thanks.
i am busy this weekend and will continue development on monday.
until then you won't see any news.
sorry, but family has priority  ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: _iLiam on October 26, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
Are silent pics available at all or looking possible in the close future?

7D is in the post so I'll be testing from day 1

Coming from a 500D will full ML release so I am rearing to go!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on October 27, 2012, 04:12:47 AM
thanks.
i am busy this weekend and will continue development on monday.
until then you won't see any news.
sorry, but family has priority  ;)

Have fun! \o/
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: StefanKeller.AC on October 27, 2012, 01:47:44 PM
I had this two times! (in good light-conditions) 
After first restart AF worked for 2 or 3 pictured than failed again, center AF-Point worked, after restart it works with and without ML...

yesterday again the same failure, after about 500 pics without ML,
I tried started ML and after some shots the AF of the outer points refused to work
Lens is a EF-s 17-55/2.8.
can I do some tests or logging for you when this happens again?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dutchguy on October 27, 2012, 09:34:38 PM
I tried reproducing the focusing problem once, but I could not reproduce it. I will try it some more when I have time.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: unimatrix098 on October 29, 2012, 10:03:53 AM
Once they get the decompiling software they need development will really speed up. Unfortunately it's really expensive so it's up to us to raise the money for it. I think they're fairly close to their goal and I plan on contributing a large sum pretty soon but it'd be cool if everyone that downloads ML could throw these guys a little support. I "imagine" they'd be able to get 70% working well before a year but that also depends on how quickly this software comes through for them too. The software will also aid in the development of all the other bodies as well AFAIK.

Hi, thank you for the great response! So I can look at a 7D as an option to buy and have ML in the near future. If I manage to buy it, I will try to help. But for now I can help by reviving my Paypal account and make a donation. Thank you for making the AWESOME Magic Lantern a reality!  8)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: imrantshah on October 29, 2012, 05:05:06 PM
 ;D
Thank you! Much excited for the release!
umm.. I cant seem to find the intervalometer.. its my first time using ML, is it just me that cant find the intervalometer or was it not included in this release?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cbrgta on October 29, 2012, 05:46:09 PM
;D
Thank you! Much excited for the release!
umm.. I cant seem to find the intervalometer.. its my first time using ML, is it just me that cant find the intervalometer or was it not included in this release?

not included in the first alpha. looks like it might be available in the second alpha :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on October 29, 2012, 06:10:32 PM
umm.. I cant seem to find the intervalometer.. its my first time using ML, is it just me that cant find the intervalometer or was it not included in this release?

The first post in this thread details what is and what isn't in this alpha version.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: imrantshah on October 29, 2012, 06:30:54 PM
The first post in this thread details what is and what isn't in this alpha version.

With all due respect, maybe if you read, it also says:
"* and a lot more"
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 29, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
Found 2 bugs, but I'm not sure how important they are atm. I need to do some testing to determine which file writing issue is the one complaining and the other is one that requires a little digging to fix, I assume.

In brevity, poping a card into a 7D from a different Canon presents with a "dir error" but can still record video just fine. I noticed that this is prevalent to having Sensor Cleaning turned on, but w/o it seems to fix itself sometimes. I have to do more digging and testing when I'm back from vacation. Thought I lost 6 videos and about a dozen shots as a result of this. However, I had data recovery with me and then found out it's just being quirky.

Next up *should* be a simple fix. It is assumed that all movies start with "MVI", when in fact this can now be changed in v2 of the 7D's firmware. It's equivalent to ano annoyance so no rush to fix it.


I wanted to respond to the bit rate topic in general. First, as a forward I'm not a developer but I'll borrow the term "observant user" from another on here, I've had several years mucking around with x264 for encoding my own video for archival of TV shows on my server. I've followed the developement heavily a few years back and learned a few things from their forums. Generally speaking, lossy encoded video can easily be encoded at a near perceptibly-lossless quality at a data rate of 1 bit per pixel. H.264 uses a YUV image formate if memory serves. It's not encoded as RGB. The type of video format (wrong term, but I think you guys get the gist of it) is 4:2:0. This means that the color information is saved at 1/4th resolution of the luminosity information. An RGB image, like a JPEG or PNG or BMP is equivalent to 4:4:4, aside from any other forms of data compression applied to the image. To adjust the math from another user, this means that the total color in one of the 7D's video frames is 1/2 the amount of data as luminosity (1/4 res. color + 1/4 res. color = 1/2 res. luminosity). The numbers look a bit like this

1920*1080 x1 luminosity channel
960*540 x2 color channels

2073600 luminosity pixels
518400 x2 color pixels

Generally speaking our images are being recorded with 8 bit color depth across the 2 color channels and luminosity channel, and all at 24 fps (23.976, but for the sake of argument, let's keep the numbers simple right now ;))

8 bit depth, 2 color channels, 1 luminosity channel
24 fps

This gives us a total of 597,196,800 bits/sec required for uncompressed frames at 4:2:0. This number is half the previous one mentioned because it was assumed that we had RGB channels at full resolution when the image format for video is a little different.

Now remember me mentioning the 1 bit per pixel (bpp for short) for lossy encoded video? Take out number above, convert the 8 bits to 1 bit by dividing by 8, and that gives us a theoretical maximum bit rate of 74,649,600 bps or ~74.7 Mbps for optimal imformation capture. Granted, there are inefficiencies so going up to 100 Mbps should be okay, but 200-250 Mbps might be a touch excessive ;).


Now, the 4 GB limit bugs me. I know why it's there and I understand how it is a limitation when looking at the *whole* file. But when it comes to the 7D writing the data down to the file, is there any way we can hijack this process a little, because it's a bit retarded. When I recorded TV, the data stream can just keep writing data past the 4 GB limit because it's not caring about the file size. I didn't have any problems reading a 7 GB file on a Win XP or Mac OS computer. If it possible to just have the camera just write the data out, then the 4GB limit for writing a stream of data is irrelevant.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 30, 2012, 02:17:03 AM
Now remember me mentioning the 1 bit per pixel (bpp for short) for lossy encoded video? Take out number above, convert the 8 bits to 1 bit by dividing by 8, and that gives us a theoretical maximum bit rate of 74,649,600 bps or ~74.7 Mbps for optimal imformation capture. Granted, there are inefficiencies so going up to 100 Mbps should be okay, but 200-250 Mbps might be a touch excessive ;).

Thanks Digital Corpus!  You have obviously done a lot of homework on the subject but as you said each channel is 8-bit and each pixel has 3 channels (Y' Cb and Cr) so that's 24bits per pixel (3 8bit channels = 8+8+8) so wouldn't that be dividing by 24 in that theory? and I think it's Bpp(1 Byte per pixel) not bpp(1 bit per pixel) it's, but Bpp is uncompressed.

Anyway I tried crunching the numbers myself and this what I got:
Frame size: 1920x1080 resolution = 2,073,600 pixels

8bit Y' Channel: 1920x1080 resolution = 2,073,600 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 16,588,800 bits per frame
8bit Cb Channel: 960x540 resolution = 518,400 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 4,147,200 bits per frame
8bit Cr Channel: 960x540 resolution = 518,400 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 4,147,200 bits per frame

Total "YUV" Channels: (2,073,600 Y' pixels + 518,400 Cb pixels +518,400 Cr pixels) = 3,110,400 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 24,883,200 bits per frame (OR 3,110,400 Bytes which is 1 Byte per pixel)

Frame rate: 23.976 frames per second * 24,883,200 bits per frame = 596,599,603.2 bits per second

So 4:2:0 color encoding requires 597 Mbps to be recored "uncompressed".

Now H.264 has some compression method tricks up it's sleeve that I won't get into (cause I don't fully understand them all lol) but I've heard the average ratios are 7:1 compression for each "I-Frame", 20:1 compression for each "P-Frame" and 50:1 for each "B-Frame".  So assuming those are correct, average data rates for H.264 are:

H.264 I-Frame Compression: 24,883,200 bits per frame / 7 = 3,554,743 bits per frame (rounded up)
H.264 P-Frame Compression: 24,883,200 bits per frame / 20 = 1,244,160 bits per frame
H.264 B-Frame Compression: 24,883,200 bits per frame / 50 =  497,660 bits per frame

The 7D's H.264's compression mode is IPP and it records 24fps in GOP12 like this (IPPPPPPPPPPPIPPPPPPPPPPP for each second). That's 2 "I-Frames" and 22 "P-Frames" per second:

24fps IPP I-Frame data rate: 3,554,743 bits per "I-Frame" * 2 = 7,109,486 bits per second
24fps IPP P-Frame data rate: 1,244,160 bits per "P-Frame" * 22 = 27,371,520 bits per second
Total 24fps IPP data rate: (2 I-Frames) 7,109,486 bits per second + (22 P-Frames) 27,371,520 bits per second = 34,481,006 bits per second

So, if those "average compression ratios" for H.264 are correct then H.264 IPP at 24fps requires an average of 35 Mbps, a 17.4:1 compression of 1080p 4:2:0.  If we get "All-I" (Intra) working the average compression rate that should be used is 85,313,832 bits per second (86 Mbps) for a 7:1 compression.  Remember to get 4:2:0 subsampling to a 1:1 compression rate requires 597 Mbps.  So if we get Intra at 200Mbps that should give us a 1080p 4:2:0 image at about a 3:1 compression ratio ;-D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 30, 2012, 12:36:06 PM
Anyway I tried crunching the numbers myself and this what I got:
Frame size: 1920x1080 resolution = 2,073,600 pixels

8bit Y' Channel: 1920x1080 resolution = 2,073,600 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 16,588,800 bits per frame
8bit Cb Channel: 960x540 resolution = 518,400 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 4,147,200 bits per frame
8bit Cr Channel: 960x540 resolution = 518,400 pixels * 8bits per pixel = 4,147,200 bits per frame
Perfect! :)

Total "YUV" Channels: (Y'+Cb+Cr=) 3840x2160 resolution = (Y'+Cb+Cr=) 8,294,400 pixels * (Y'+Cb+Cr=) 24bits per pixel = 33,177,600 bits per frame
First, 3840x2160 * 24 bpp = 8,294,400 * 24 = 19,9065,600 bits per frame based on that math.
You're close, but you forgot your order of operations, PEMDAS: Parenthases, Exponents, Multiply, Divide, Add, Substract; so a few things are off here.

When you summed the frame's components (yes, it's YCbCr, similar to YUV but I know YUV was close enough to jog someone elses memory for which it was, thanks :)) You added up the dimensions 1920+960+960=3840 and then you multipled them together. You have to multiply them out first and then sum them.

This means Y'+Cb+Cr = 2,073,600 + 518,400 + 518,400 = 3,110,400 pixels of data we're looking at per frame, not 8,294,400 pixels.

Your initial math up on top is perfect so I don't know where you psyched yourself out and deviated from what you had. You summed your 8 bits per pixel before you multiplied them. Thus you computed a video frame that had a 24-bit depth. Damn, I *wish* the 7D could do that kind of dynamic range :). A logical overview could explain the reasoning of your number based on doing file size calculations for the rendered frame in RGB, however. Each channel has an 8-bit color depth so you want to multiply each channel by 8 (2^8 = 256 which we love/hate for dynamic range). So...

Since:
2,073,600 * 8 + 518,400 * 8 + 518,400 * 8 = 8 * (2,073,600 + 518,400 + 518,400) = 8-bit depth * 3,110,400 pixels in a frame = 24,883,200 bits per frame

You'll note that this is the same as 16,588,800 + 4,147,200 + 4,147,200 (your numbers!) = 24,883,200 bits per frame

This next part then changes to:
Frame rate: 23.976 frames per second * 24,883,200 bits per frame = 596,599,603.2 bits per second
for uncompressed 1080p @ 4:2:0. For the rest of it, I'll round up to 24 fps to keep it a little simpler. This pushes the bps to 597,196,800 or ~597.2 Mbps

I've seen those same compression ratios. Adjusted numbers for the frame size put
H.264 I-Frame ~= 3,554,742.857 bits
H.264 P-Frame = 1,244,160 bits
H.264 B-Frame = 497,664 bits

1 sec of H.264 video with 2 I-Frames and 22 P-Frames is then ~7109485.714 bits + 27,371,520 bits = 34,481,005.714 bits.
If we had all I-Frame compression, that would then be ~85.3 Mbps. For a GOP of 3, which we know is doable, we'd get ~48.34 Mbps

From the content that I've recorded from my 7D already , I've seen data rates from 41-47 Mbps. We then know that Canon is overprovisioning a bit as it is. If I scale up the ~34.48 Mbps up to an assumed target average of 45 Mbps, then all I-Frame compression gives us a target of ~111.3 Mbps and GOP=3 data rate of ~63.09 Mpbs. Considering the ~597.2 Mbps for an uncompressed frame, that would give us a ~9.47:1 compression ratio compared to ~13.27:1 stock compression ratio.

B-Frames are out of the question since the encoder is hardware, not software. As the DIGIC chips haven't been fully cracked, then the hardware encoders are probably a bit futher off, though maybe this circuitry is in the DIGIC chips? My initial guestimate of 100 Mbps video being sufficient for the capabilities of the camera still match with the assumed ~63 Mbps of a GOP=3 scene. The best way to get better quality is seeing if the encoder can do 4:2:2 sampling and give us color detail back. This would inflate the frame size by 25%, thus our data rate as well. Our ~63 Mbps would go to ~78-79 Mbps, still under the 100 Mbps.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on October 30, 2012, 12:38:12 PM
A more finite concern is the 7D's actual resolving power. I can scale a 1080p frame down to 720p, sharpen, and scale it back up to 1080p and scale it back up to 1080p and it's very hard to tell the difference between the two. Granted the camera can resolve pixel level detail at 18 MP and a 1080p frames is ~2.1 MP. Canon does some detail blurring when sharpenss is turned on and this removes quite a bit of aliasing, but not enough to remove moire. I now own a VAF-7D from Mosaic Engineering. When I get home from my travels/vacation/holiday, I'm going to do some pixel peeping to see to what degree it provides anti-aliasing. Prior to its use, I noticed that there is are quite a bit of scaling artifacts when sharpening is turned off. However, those were mitigated when sharpening was on 1. The VAF-7D might allow greating resolving power when sharpening turned off since we then don't have to deal with a smoothed then sharpened image with sharpening turned on. Plus it removes 80% of moire so I'm good with that :)

As for practicality, ignoring the 4 GB limit of FAT 32 is a more admirable goal. If there is anyway we can alter the paradigm of the file writing to make it behaving like a stream of data being written w/o prior knowledge of the begining of the file, then the 4 GB limit becomes moot. Granted, this might break playback of the files on the camera, but it would solve the scene time issue when recording at a higher bitrate.

But anyhow, I an anxiously awaiting alpha 2 and cannot wait to get home so I can help with bug testing :).
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 30, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
uuuhhhh errrh. too much text for me ;)

what is the advantage of all-I anyway?
about 90% of the P-frames are I-Macroblocks anyway.

setting GOP to 1 will enforce that all blocks (even ones that can be predicted very good) are definitely I-blocks.
this will improve only 10% of the single frames a little.
whereas increasing bit rate will improve quality of all macroblocks (I and P).

combining both would maybe give the best results.


@1%:
where did you patch the 600D to get all-I?
i found the GOP size variable but there are several checks for 12 and 15.
i would rather patch that somewhere in encoder routines so that canon firmware doesnt see that change.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Northwinds on October 30, 2012, 07:20:11 PM
Successfully used the alpha on Friday night videoing my friends' club for a promo.

The Focus peaks were extremely useful in a low light club situation and I found it easier to use in grayscale mode with the peak colour set to yellow. Last time I filmed a club with the 7D the focus was a bit hit and miss but this has really changed the results!

I will be donating in the next couple of days once I've been to the bank as this is a brilliant and well thought out firmware in my opinion - many thanks!

My only request (right now) from a video standpoint (as opposed to stills) woud be for some way of changing the frame rate for 1280 by 780 from 50 to 25.
I was carrying a lot with me on Friday so didn't bring my own laptop for downoading and the one I was told I could use ended up being used for a ticket scanner at the club entrance so I had to be very choosey as to what I did actually shoot as i only had 3 CF cards with me.
Considering this club footage is intended mainly for the web I don't really need 50fps and would much rather have the option of doubling my card usage in this scenario.

But otherwise brilliant!
Many thanks!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 30, 2012, 11:38:14 PM

Your initial math up on top is perfect so I don't know where you psyched yourself out and deviated from what you had. You summed your 8 bits per pixel before you multiplied them. Thus you computed a video frame that had a 24-bit depth. Damn, I *wish* the 7D could do that kind of dynamic range :). A logical overview could explain the reasoning of your number based on doing file size calculations for the rendered frame in RGB, however. Each channel has an 8-bit color depth so you want to multiply each channel by 8 (2^8 = 256 which we love/hate for dynamic range). So...


Thanks again Digital Corpus!
I got lazy and added the resolutions together instead of the actual pixels lol
~((1920x1080+(960x540)*2) instead of ((2,073,600+(518,400*2)) 

I also adjusted the equation to keep all the channels 8bit, which sounds right, but still seems counter intuitive to me lol. (Can anyone explain why 3 8bit channels working together in one pixel still equals 8 bits per pixel?)

so now I get:
597 Mbps for a true 1:1 compression of a 1080p 4:2:0 image at 24fps
35 Mbps for the average 17:1 compression with "IPP" (Which is Canon's stock settings)
86 Mbps for the average 7:1 compression used for "All-I" (Canon gives around 95 Mbps for the 5D3 "All-I" mode)
and
We've seen the 7D maxed at about 250 Mbps which is about a 2.5:1 compression!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 31, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
uuuhhhh errrh. too much text for me ;)

what is the advantage of all-I anyway?
about 90% of the P-frames are I-Macroblocks anyway.

setting GOP to 1 will enforce that all blocks (even ones that can be predicted very good) are definitely I-blocks.
this will improve only 10% of the single frames a little.
whereas increasing bit rate will improve quality of all macroblocks (I and P).

combining both would maybe give the best results.


@1%:
where did you patch the 600D to get all-I?
i found the GOP size variable but there are several checks for 12 and 15.
i would rather patch that somewhere in encoder routines so that canon firmware doesnt see that change.

@g3gg0
Well I agree that higher bitrates for IPP is more important than All-I, but since All-I "does less compression work" and since most compression artifact and glitches happens due to round off errors during compression it would be expected that All-I would reduce the opportunity for artifacts. 

The problem is that All-I needs quite a bit more bandwidth than IPP and if it doesn't get it then most fine details get lost in the "All-I process". For example, the GH2 with h.264 IPB at 88 Mbps gave a near 1:1 compression look but the 5D3 with h.264 All-I at 95 Mbps didn't.

Also about that GOP sizes, according to this: (http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/ipp_ipb_all_i_compare.htmlp
) Canon's Interframe Codec uses GOP12 for 24fps and GOP15 for 30fps or 60fps.
Quote
The IPP compression method is used in many existing EOS models like the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 7D, 60D, and Rebel series models. This compresses video files in a way similar to that described immediately above. At 30 fps, the first frame in a group of 15 is a key frame, and the next 14 are predicted, based entirely on the data from the previous key frame and preceding predicted frames. With this compression method, each group of 15 frames (at 30 fps) is stored in what is known as a Group of Pictures (GOP). The drawback to this method is that frame-by-frame editing often results in slightly lower image quality.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on October 31, 2012, 12:38:25 AM
see nitrate thread - i will post a new experimental version.
please move all bitrate and MPEG discussion there.

btw - its up to nearly 300MBit/s ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: CaptainHook on October 31, 2012, 12:40:44 AM
what is the advantage of all-I anyway?

In general? VFX work where having each frame is important. High motion footage. Less taxing on CPU. I'm sure everyone has read that stuff, so maybe the question was more direct to the math discussion above? In which case, i'm out.  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on October 31, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
btw - its up to nearly 300MBit/s ;)

!

...2/1 compression
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Discopunx on November 01, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
Hi all,

I have a Problem: I can not copy the Firmware to the root directory (Windows 7). It seems the root directory is write protected when I formatted my cf card with the camera.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on November 01, 2012, 05:07:01 PM
Hi all,

I have a Problem: I can not copy the Firmware to the root directory (Windows 7). It seems the root directory is write protected when I formatted my cf card with the camera.
Are you using a card reader?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Discopunx on November 01, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
i tried both....camera and card-reader (in my printer). And google can´t help me :-D I thought I would not be the only one with this problem.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 01, 2012, 06:52:01 PM
You need to use a REAL card reader  ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Discopunx on November 01, 2012, 07:56:43 PM
damn...i really thougt a card reader on a printer works like normal card reader...never used it before... But i found an option to allow write Process on memory cards. But thanks..."use a real card reader" was a good tip  :-)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: fotto on November 01, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Immediately started experimenting with it. I love the cropmarks feature! This way I can make better ones with 3ths 5ths and 7th. Yet I see that not every pixel of my file is showing up. Is this because the 720x480px file is rescaled or what? Any solution? What would be the best resolution to make it in than?

Lay-out wise I don't really like the font for the aperture and shutterspeed in live view. It is much harder to read than the standard canon typography. I also don't like it being colored. Could this become a future option?

I can't wait for HDR video and a build in intervalometer.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jplxpto on November 02, 2012, 12:26:20 AM
Have fun! \o/

LoL
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 02, 2012, 04:07:20 AM
Immediately started experimenting with it. I love the cropmarks feature! This way I can make better ones with 3ths 5ths and 7th. Yet I see that not every pixel of my file is showing up. Is this because the 720x480px file is rescaled or what? Any solution? What would be the best resolution to make it in than?

Lay-out wise I don't really like the font for the aperture and shutterspeed in live view. It is much harder to read than the standard canon typography. I also don't like it being colored. Could this become a future option?

I can't wait for HDR video and a build in intervalometer.

You should post that typography under the feature request topics: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=24.0
I doubt anyone here would know about that.

You may also have better luck with cropmarks help in the general help topics: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=4.0
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ted ramasola on November 02, 2012, 04:51:57 AM
damn...i really thougt a card reader on a printer works like normal card reader...never used it before... But i found an option to allow write Process on memory cards. But thanks..."use a real card reader" was a good tip  :-)

I however have been using the card reader in my epson printer.  It worked fine. Just make sure you access the card as removable storage using the explorer or my computer in windows and NOT the canon eos utility.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: akshayverma1 on November 02, 2012, 08:11:32 AM
I made some cropmarks for the 7D. These are for 640*480 since the screen is 4:3, unlike the 720*480 on the 3:2 screens.
The actual size is 640*427 because the rest of the pixels in height are taken up by the information bar at the bottom, effectively leaving us with a 3:2 usable area.

1) Cinemascope 2.35:1 with translucent 16:9 borders, rule of thirds grid and action safe lines (very thin and non-interfering)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48224378/CineSco1.bmp (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48224378/CineSco1.bmp)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropbox.com%2Fu%2F48224378%2FCineSco1.bmp&hash=5e1a7dafb9c068110dfcd8188f2253fe)

2) 16:9 with translucent border, 2.35:1 lines in black and action safe. (No rule of thirds grid on this one because the default camera grid works for this)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48224378/CineSco%26HD.bmp (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48224378/CineSco%26HD.bmp)
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropbox.com%2Fu%2F48224378%2FCineSco%2526HD.bmp&hash=f85cbe0c929497cc43ef2e11408fcab9)


In the crop marks guide it was written that 1 px lines cause aliasing on 4:3 screen and should be avoided. I figured it was due to scaling from 720 px to 640 px. In these crop marks, the action safe lines are 1px and don't cause any aliasing  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on November 02, 2012, 08:28:48 AM
Cropmarks will always be stretched to cover the 3:2 image area (even on 4:3 screens). So, the same files can be used on all cameras.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: akshayverma1 on November 02, 2012, 09:11:26 AM
Cropmarks will always be stretched to cover the 3:2 image area (even on 4:3 screens). So, the same files can be used on all cameras.

Yes, but scaling was causing aliasing with 4:3 screens. Isn't it best to have pixel perfect, unscaled marks? :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on November 02, 2012, 09:28:01 AM
The image buffer in 4:3 screens is 720x480, but the display processor scales it somehow (probably downscales to 640x480, didn't check in detail). So, the 640x427 bitmaps will cause a bit of aliasing on 3:2 screens (not missing lines, but a few doubled lines).
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Northwinds on November 02, 2012, 07:14:44 PM
After a really busy week I've finally had the chance to properly check my footage from last Friday and I must say I'm really happy with it overall!
So cheers and you now have a donation from me.
Now if by any chance you can get another alpha out by Christmas that includes the FPS modifier that would rally help me out for my mates' next club he wants me to shoot on the 28th!
Either way,
Cheers!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 02, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Now if by any chance you can get another alpha out by Christmas that includes the FPS modifier that would rally help me out for my mates' next club he wants me to shoot on the 28th!

thanks for feedback.
unfortunately FPS modification is not that "simple" as it is on e.g. 600D and some others.
still reverse enigneering, but i didnt find anything useful yet and no idea if this can be done this year.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 02, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
How far has fps override gone in Magic Lantern?  I thought it couldn't do much more frames per second than "Canon FPS" with issues for 180 degree exposures and high rolling shutter.  Can any of the cameras do 48 or 1080p60?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 02, 2012, 11:35:58 PM
FPS override it's not for increasing FPS, but for decreasing it ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 03, 2012, 01:27:00 AM
FPS override it's not for increasing FPS, but for decreasing it ::)

Ah, thank you for clearing that up.  So I guess it's for easy time lapsing or choppy blurry low light shots.  Timelapse mov files straight from the camera sounds like something fun to play with ;-D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 03, 2012, 07:31:18 AM
FPS override it's not for increasing FPS, but for decreasing it ::)

Didn't one of the models managed to get to 30-36ish fps?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 03, 2012, 10:02:22 AM
yes but as you can see the potential gain is minimal
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 03, 2012, 10:45:23 AM
Unless you have a 500D ;-P
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 03, 2012, 08:00:58 PM
*crosses finger in hopes the 7D has enough processing power and bandwidth for 48fps*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 03, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
*crosses finger in hopes the 7D has enough processing power and bandwidth for 48fps*

dont even think about that. it will take a few months until i understand how FPS timer are set up.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jphansen on November 03, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
Just send feureau that string of code.. And he will have it fixed in no time ;-)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 04, 2012, 12:52:32 AM
dont even think about that. it will take a few months until i understand how FPS timer are set up.

Take your time. No worries. :D

Thanks again for all the hard work.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 04, 2012, 11:45:38 AM
*crosses finger in hopes the 7D has enough processing power and bandwidth for 48fps*
The camera produces 40-45 Mbps video by default. Myself and others have been able to produce 150-200 Mbps video without much cause for alarm. Doubling frame rate and keeping QScale down a touch would result in the same bitrate and that is what matters to the camera. Once he understands how to configure the timers, then I don't see why it would be an issue.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 04, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Don't confuse sensor readout speed with encoder speed, it takes twice the time to read a FullHD frame vs a 720p one
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 04, 2012, 12:30:19 PM
True, unless it reads the entire sensor 60 times per second then scales for 720p ...or does it just skip more lines to begin with?

Also my "LiveV FPS" usually displays 60fps, but I'm not entirely sure what that means yet lol.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 04, 2012, 04:08:11 PM
Don't confuse sensor readout speed with encoder speed, it takes twice the time to read a FullHD frame vs a 720p one
True, I had only considered the bandwidth of the bus, not the speed of the encoder. Thanks for the logic check.

I hope the hardware is up to encoding quickly enough for the task :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ideimos on November 05, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
Regarding bitrate and cropmarks, I was wondering if it would be useful for example to have the option to record only the 2.35:1 frame area, and keep the rest black. That could improve bitrate efficency.

In any case, ML is an amazing work, BIG thanks and keep going.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 05, 2012, 02:59:23 PM
Are you suggesting to feed the "black cropmarks" to the encoder too? I think it's feasible (a1ex knows better), but I'm not so sure it would actually improve anything. I think the encoder will just go for a lower average bitrate due to a portion of the scene being a static black image
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on November 05, 2012, 03:04:26 PM
Well... I'm pretty sure the CPU power needed to do this will negate any improvement and could cause jitter issues or maybe worse.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Shizuka on November 05, 2012, 03:19:36 PM
Well... I'm pretty sure the CPU power needed to do this will negate any improvement and could cause jitter issues or maybe worse.

But could this also be used to remove hot pixels in video?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on November 05, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
The video buffer can be altered before compression in theory, but is there any reason for not doing it in post? It's not easy to implement it without side effects.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ideimos on November 05, 2012, 03:26:04 PM
Ok, thanks for the answers. It was just a wild idea.

Can't wait to adjust 7D bitrate, then.  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 05, 2012, 04:33:06 PM
@ideimos
Have a look here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.0)

@g3gg0
Aside from the bug of flush rate not being retained (not saved/read from the config file you have?), there is one other little bug to note. The repeat rate for the joystick seems to have been modified. I like it quick, except that the delay before repeating is too short. This makes it tedious to scroll in a zoomed image or moving the focus box.

That reminds me. Magic Zoom has a bit of an issue. First, configure it to be on top of the focus box. Set it Medium and it behaves fine. Set it to large, and we have another issue. If the zoomed area goes down below the image boundary, it's not erased properly when the box then moves box in bounds of the LV image. Now if you go to the top of the screen, the zoomed area stays in either top corner.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 05, 2012, 07:34:10 PM
@g3gg0
Aside from the bug of flush rate not being retained (not saved/read from the config file you have?), there is one other little bug to note. The repeat rate for the joystick seems to have been modified. I like it quick, except that the delay before repeating is too short. This makes it tedious to scroll in a zoomed image or moving the focus box.

That reminds me. Magic Zoom has a bit of an issue. First, configure it to be on top of the focus box. Set it Medium and it behaves fine. Set it to large, and we have another issue. If the zoomed area goes down below the image boundary, it's not erased properly when the box then moves box in bounds of the LV image. Now if you go to the top of the screen, the zoomed area stays in either top corner.

saving: its still experimental - i dont care if its saved or not. its just about the question "does the feature make sense?"
repeat rate: its not 7D-specific. its ML base. see prefs -> focus box settings -> speed
magic zoom: thanks. lets call it "bottom black bar not redrawn when MZ (large) painted over it"
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 06, 2012, 05:21:45 AM
saving: its still experimental - i dont care if its saved or not. its just about the question "does the feature make sense?"

I have several cards of differing speeds. On my slowest card, I need to set flush to 12 in order for it to be able to record All-I CBR at 20x. With flush set to default at 4, if I forgot to change this, it will err70, and I'd have to reload ML again. /firstworldproblems

On my fastest card, I find that if I set flush at 1, I can record All-I at CBR 20.0x with very minimal buffer, leaving a lot of processing power for other ML features to run. I can set the buffer warning to 30% and record without worrying of buffering out. This reminds me, can you let the flush minimum at 1 instead of 2 on future releases?

Anyway, the feature makes sense because it lets you customize the flush in order to maximize bitrate to your card.

And as always: Thanks for all the hard work, g3gg0! :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 06, 2012, 10:08:53 AM
Anyway, the feature makes sense because it lets you customize the flush in order to maximize bitrate to your card.

thanks for feedback.
if it makes sense for future ML releases is still questionable.
this feature is definitely not idiot-proof and will cause a lot of bug reports.

and even if users are warned enough, there might be bug reports that say "in one of 100 recordings my camera fails with ERR70. why??"
thats not what we want.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ideimos on November 06, 2012, 10:26:15 AM
@ideimos
Have a look here:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.0 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.0)
I miss that. Thanks!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 06, 2012, 12:58:06 PM
thanks for feedback.
if it makes sense for future ML releases is still questionable.
this feature is definitely not idiot-proof and will cause a lot of bug reports.

and even if users are warned enough, there might be bug reports that say "in one of 100 recordings my camera fails with ERR70. why??"
thats not what we want.

Just a quick thought: Hide it in the advanced/debug section, or have an option in the advanced/debug section thing to enable advanced not-idiot-proof settings like this, with a warning. This way, people who likes to experiment with ML can get that sweet sweet experimenting joy while idiots would probably never find it.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 06, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
they will.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 06, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
It would be quite unfortunate to not have access to certain settings just because some people would be using it wrong and complain about it.

Anyway, you mentioned that you managed to hit 300mbps. I've been playing with the experimental bitmonsters, but I can't seem to get a bitrate that high. How did you do it?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ideimos on November 06, 2012, 05:04:35 PM
I guess you are not recording something that has enough detail to achieve the highest possible bitrate. Try to use f5.6 - f8 with high ISO and something like beach sand, grass, trees...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on November 06, 2012, 05:52:11 PM
Reading the number-crunching that went on after my own crude crunching made me think about something I've been looking at for some time now... but it does require us to get into how it reads off the sensor. Which may be off-limits for firmware. It's basically a feature-request. But I just need to brain-dump a bit.


Either we maybe could lower the amount of pixels to Scope (1920x800) to lessen the load of the encoder to enable 48fps or the like without increasing the amount of bandwidth per second (by lessening the amount per frame)


Or... this might be fun. Non-square PAR readout. If can muck about with how the image is read from sensor. We could possibly use full 1920x1080 for a 2.4:1 area. Gaining a bit in vertical resolution when we later squeeze it down to appropriate size with vertical oversmpling. 0.67:1 PAR if I understand it correctly... or maybe it's just 1:1.33 PAR.


Or we could do something similar to get a 4:3 area recorded to the full 1920x1080. It probably would gain a bit in vertical resolution after scaled down to 1440x1080. Or full 3:2 sensor readout to 1920x1080.



---
So far so good anyways when it comes to stability though. :)

I'll probably not go much higher than 100Mbps if given the option. Mostly because of storage-issues if anything.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on November 06, 2012, 06:54:15 PM
thanks for feedback.
if it makes sense for future ML releases is still questionable.
this feature is definitely not idiot-proof and will cause a lot of bug reports.

and even if users are warned enough, there might be bug reports that say "in one of 100 recordings my camera fails with ERR70. why??"
thats not what we want.

Maybe that is the reason why Canon does not provide any of the great stuff that we get from ML.

Thanks for all the amazing things and great work that you do!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 07, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
@g3gg0

I forgot to mention my thanks for your speed up of focus peaking. having its response moved from ~2 fps to ~18 fps is much appreciated :). Kudos for that speedup
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on November 07, 2012, 03:02:29 PM
:) . Judos for that speedup
Do you wanna fight with him?  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 07, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
Fixed ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: neofg on November 08, 2012, 12:44:26 PM
Reading the number-crunching that went on after my own crude crunching made me think about something I've been looking at for some time now... but it does require us to get into how it reads off the sensor. Which may be off-limits for firmware. It's basically a feature-request. But I just need to brain-dump a bit.


Either we maybe could lower the amount of pixels to Scope (1920x800) to lessen the load of the encoder to enable 48fps or the like without increasing the amount of bandwidth per second (by lessening the amount per frame)


Or... this might be fun. Non-square PAR readout. If can muck about with how the image is read from sensor. We could possibly use full 1920x1080 for a 2.4:1 area. Gaining a bit in vertical resolution when we later squeeze it down to appropriate size with vertical oversmpling. 0.67:1 PAR if I understand it correctly... or maybe it's just 1:1.33 PAR.


Or we could do something similar to get a 4:3 area recorded to the full 1920x1080. It probably would gain a bit in vertical resolution after scaled down to 1440x1080. Or full 3:2 sensor readout to 1920x1080.



---
So far so good anyways when it comes to stability though. :)

I'll probably not go much higher than 100Mbps if given the option. Mostly because of storage-issues if anything.

I ask from months for this feature (particularly the 4:3 one for 2X anamorphic lenses). A1ex say that this isn't possible because this is a DIGIC feature. And you Can't modify it with ML...
I hope they find the way in the future...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jmalmsten on November 08, 2012, 12:46:54 PM
I thought so... I'm actually surprised at how few camera-makers would consider using tricks like those.  :-\
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: neofg on November 08, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
I thought so... I'm actually surprised at how few camera-makers would consider using tricks like those.  :-\

Yes. And I don't know why Canon never do something with A1ex.
If I use Canon is because him.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: juanmelchor on November 08, 2012, 02:12:48 PM
Hi! Where I can download the latest version of the experimental .FIR? I want to try it on my 7D, it is great!!  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 08, 2012, 06:17:45 PM
Hi! Where I can download the latest version of the experimental .FIR? I want to try it on my 7D, it is great!!  :)
Follow this thread (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.0") for latest changes that could brick your camera :) Keep in mind no one has managed to do that yet afaik, but ymmv.

Here is the post with teh latest firmware (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.msg17691#msg17691")
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ArturoKiwi on November 08, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
Follow this thread (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.0") for latest changes that could brick your camera :) Keep in mind no one has managed to do that yet afaik, but ymmv.

Here is the post with teh latest firmware (http://"http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.msg17691#msg17691")

I don't know why, but I can't open both your link :(
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: xmd5a on November 08, 2012, 09:05:14 PM
I don't know why, but I can't open both your link :(
Correct link http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.msg17691#msg17691 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.msg17691#msg17691)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ArturoKiwi on November 08, 2012, 10:37:25 PM
Correct link http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.msg17691#msg17691 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3404.msg17691#msg17691)

Thanks :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: juanmelchor on November 09, 2012, 10:18:17 AM
Digital Corpus and xmd5a thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: juanmelchor on November 09, 2012, 11:26:17 AM
Hi! I saw this video on youtube channel g3gg0 What is and how I can put on and use this mode?

And... How I put in the firmware All-I mode to record video?

thank you very much!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 09, 2012, 11:30:37 AM
this is all experimental and not for public use yet.
sorry.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: juanmelchor on November 09, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
Ok! I'll wait for the next final version. Thank you very much for responding. Good job with Magic Lantern for the 7D.  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: outravia on November 09, 2012, 02:00:51 PM
I just got here, just installed, just donate, please keep up the good work ... thank you ... greentins from Brazil ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: wvdtol on November 12, 2012, 11:37:11 AM
Decided to do a donation from my coming salary payment. But unfortunately since last Saturday my 7D is now a dead duck. Dark viewfinder, no lcd display information. No matter which battery I use. I have two genuine batteries and an adapter. I also replaced the rc1616 battery. But no life in the camera. The computer also doesn't see the camera on USB. I was running ML, but I was outside in a very light rain when the camera stoppped. So I am afraid I first need the money to get the camera repaired. It's the second time it needs repaired. I got it new with burst mode problems and flash didn't work. It took two month to get it repaired and lost my appetite for filming because I missed several once in a life time opportunities with this camera.. Good camera indeed. My 40D never failed me but it is a reluctant film camera. ;-)

BTW, I was running ML with the VisionColor picture style. I also had a Zoom h4n plugged in the microphone jack. I am a programmer but I don't know any thing about the processes in the 7D. Might there be an issue with the combination of picture styles and ML? Both are using the processors, but how picture style and ML work within the context of the 7D I don't know. I don't think it can cause a problem because there is always a picture style involved. I also don't see how a program can completely kill hardware such that there isn't even a hint that the power is switched on.

One thing I noticed is that the view finder is rather dark. Like having it stopped down to f8. Which is for as far as I know normal for the 7D when the battery is removed. With the adaptor in the battery case the viewfinder seems to pulse between f8 and say f4 with a one second interval approximately.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on November 12, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
Considering you had problems with that camera earlier i'd say that your 7D is pretty much faulty and needs another repair. Picture styles on their own can't really kill a camera.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 12, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
I don't think it can cause a problem because there is always a picture style involved. I also don't see how a program can completely kill hardware such that there isn't even a hint that the power is switched on.

One thing I noticed is that the view finder is rather dark. Like having it stopped down to f8. Which is for as far as I know normal for the 7D when the battery is removed. With the adaptor in the battery case the viewfinder seems to pulse between f8 and say f4 with a one second interval approximately.

1st: right, there is always a pic style involved. see it as a lookup table. ML doesnt care about that.

about killing hardware: well, its not necessary the hardware that is defect.
the software controls everything you see, so it might act dead when the software e.g. erased flash or locks up.

the viewfinder is toggling between light/dark? is the dark mode somewhat noisy/grainy in the corners?
then it is the second digic (master) that is behaving faulty and resetting te viewfinder LCD.
ML runs on slave digic only. only during "firmware update" procedure a very small snippet of ML code is running.
at that point it is very unlikely that something goes wrong. especially not *that* wrong.

so i am very sure it has nothing to do with ML.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: wvdtol on November 12, 2012, 04:49:03 PM
I really don't think it has anything to do with ML or a picture style.
It might have something to do with the rain. But there where so few raindrops you can hardly call it rain. It was also not a drizzle, just some droplets every now and then.
The red led on the back doesn't flash when closing the battery door. Also when using the adaptor
with the adaptor it is toggling between dark and a lot less dark but still too dark, between one or two seconds for each state.
You can also see black lines for the autofocus zones when it is in its lightest state.
I will bring it to camera repair man shortly.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on November 12, 2012, 05:13:10 PM
I have been shooting at a carnival, 3 years ago, and it was raining. Not too much but not lightly either. I had my 20D and the nifty fifty, not what you'd call a waterproof combo. As it turned out, the only thing i had to do when i put the camera in my bag was wipe it with a dry piece of cloth and it was completely fine. If you're concerned with the rain (and you should, at a certain point) you should leave a plastic sheet that should be taped on your lens hood and wrap your camera inside it. That should ensure you a dry camera. So far i've never had any water related problems.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mattroberts on November 12, 2012, 08:20:20 PM
short version: Works fine... A few rough edges.

longer version...

I have shot ~1000 photos and ~10 video clips using magic lantern. Nothing went wrong, so I can only list the rough edges.  And, as I haven't used magic lantern before; I do not know if any of these issues are caused by "don't set properties" code - so sorry if I am wasting your time / requesting features in the wrong place.

* When selecting ISO and White Balance, it'd be very useful to see the histogram.
* When using a custom (or auto) white balance, it'd be nice to know what that settings actually is (in degrees K).
* When connecting the camera to a computer by USB, it'd be nice to be able to get the .txt files that go along with the movies.
* Trap focus seems a little hit and miss (as if it is checking focus only a few times per second, and missing the time the subject is in focus)
* The canon menu time sometimes shows on top of the ML menu (my "my menu" has both time and update firmware on it) - I think this happens one per minute, on the minute, when the time on the canon menu would need updating.

Anyway, congratulations on making my (and many other) 7D much better.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 12, 2012, 08:58:53 PM
On my vacation I shot more than 250 little videos with ML. Not a single issue. Even with numerous Err 70's due to mucking about.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: stir fry a lot on November 12, 2012, 09:31:26 PM
How much money are you guys away from getting the decompiling software?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 12, 2012, 09:42:56 PM
* When selecting ISO and White Balance, it'd be very useful to see the histogram.
* When using a custom (or auto) white balance, it'd be nice to know what that settings actually is (in degrees K).
* When connecting the camera to a computer by USB, it'd be nice to be able to get the .txt files that go along with the movies.

But... ML already does all of this...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 12, 2012, 11:46:04 PM
Merged, please keep it in one place
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: angelomedia on November 13, 2012, 01:02:09 PM
 :-\ :(
Hi I went through all the steps over and over again... and I still can't run the ML firmware on my 7D - "firware update program...Loading" then after like 3 seconds i see my live view screen nothing changed....
When I go back to the Menu of the camera and Firmware it says: "Ver. 2.0.3-ml-v2.3.NEXT"

did I miss any step? so far NO luck...

HELP! thanx
p.s. I did tons of CF formats and copied the files on the root folder as shown on the vimeo tutorial video
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ilguercio on November 13, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
:-\ :(
Hi I went through all the steps over and over again... and I still can't run the ML firmware on my 7D - "firware update program...Loading" then after like 3 seconds i see my live view screen nothing changed....
When I go back to the Menu of the camera and Firmware it says: "Ver. 2.0.3-ml-v2.3.NEXT"

did I miss any step? so far NO luck...

HELP! thanx
p.s. I did tons of CF formats and copied the files on the root folder as shown on the vimeo tutorial video
Are you aware of the fact that you've actually loaded ML successfully?
The proof of its presence it's that firmware change, not in the LV screen.
Go figure why every single newbie thinks that ML is just a bunch of overlays on the LV screen.
You have to activate them.
 ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 13, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
:-\ :(
Hi I went through all the steps over and over again... and I still can't run the ML firmware on my 7D - "firware update program...Loading" then after like 3 seconds i see my live view screen nothing changed....
When I go back to the Menu of the camera and Firmware it says: "Ver. 2.0.3-ml-v2.3.NEXT"

did I miss any step? so far NO luck...

HELP! thanx
p.s. I did tons of CF formats and copied the files on the root folder as shown on the vimeo tutorial video


errhhhm... you have successfully loaded ML then....
tried pressing trashcan button?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: angelomedia on November 13, 2012, 01:29:42 PM

errhhhm... you have successfully loaded ML then....
tried pressing trashcan button?


after getting back on liveview mode and then the trashcan YES! it worked... thanx... i was stuck at work with this issue... didnt want to go home  ;D

Thanx g3gg0~~!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: mattroberts on November 13, 2012, 08:35:56 PM
* When selecting ISO and White Balance, it'd be very useful to see the histogram.
* When using a custom (or auto) white balance, it'd be nice to know what that settings actually is (in degrees K).
* When connecting the camera to a computer by USB, it'd be nice to be able to get the .txt files that go along with the movies.

But... ML already does all of this...

Do you mean it does on other cameras, or with the 7d alpha 1 version of magic lantern?

Just so we are on the same page I've double checked that my comment are valid and I think that they are...

When in live view (with ML running) I have the histogram overlay / fast zebras.   I press the ISO button and I can select ISO (but cannot see any magic lantern overlays, which makes iso selection harder). When I return to LV (by pressing set) then I can see the overlays again.  I don't think that this is ideal, it'd be better if the overlays were visible at the same time as the ISO selection.

With regard to the WB, if you select auto white balance magic lantern says "AutoWB" but not the degrees kelvin that would give the same result.  (and with a custom white balance it says "Custom").  It is only when you set the white balance in degrees K that magic lantern displays white balance in degrees K.  Have I missed an option that says "please display white balance in degrees K all the time"?

Finally, the .txt files are on the CF card.  But I am one of those crazy types who prefers to use the camera itself as a card reader, when I do that I cannot see the .txt files.  (my guess is that this rouge edge is the hardest to 'fix'... but I would love to proved wrong).  Obviously, using a CF reader other than the camera would avoid this problem, but I'd rather have options.

--

One last thought: do the versions in the "bitrate monster" thread change any of the behaviour above?  should I test that version?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 13, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
simply do not use the camera as card reader.
it is no card reader. it is a "media device" and you will only see the MOV/JPGs, but not the txt etc.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 15, 2012, 06:07:21 AM
g3gg0,

Anything we can specifically help you with the development of the 7D's ML port?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 15, 2012, 09:32:53 AM
come here and do my main job, then i will have a lot of time to do the port ;)
kidding.

i think in 3-4 days i can tell you when the alpha 2 is ready.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chasv on November 15, 2012, 11:47:59 AM
That is good news. :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 15, 2012, 02:00:56 PM

i think in 3-4 days i can tell you when the alpha 2 is ready.

Hooray! \o/

W00t!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 15, 2012, 02:29:58 PM
well, i can tell you then *when* it will be ready ;)
but it will be just another 1-2 days maybe.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on November 15, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Have you got a solution to the issue with processing functions not being terminated when turning off the camera..?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 15, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
no solution, as i cannot reproduce anymore :(
either its good or bad. i am not sure yet.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jayzed on November 16, 2012, 11:51:17 AM
I'm an audio guy (tracking and mixing for post pro) and recently (April 2012) bought a 7D. I've been making videos since then and been basically unhappy with most of the results. I was using the camera's exposure metering and was continually getting blown out highs, especially in sky areas. Yes, I know. Schoolboy errors, beginners' errors.
I'd heard about Magic Lantern but wasn't expecting a 7D version so it came as a bit of a surprise. Incredible! Just using the zebras my video is so much better, and the guides are much more useful to me than the standard. The focus peaking has taken out so much of the guesswork and... I could go on, I love this software. Donation on the way. I had no intention of donating but the difference in my results is night and day. Thanks for this, guys.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 16, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
hi jayzed,

thanks for your feedback. nice to see that ML for 7D helped you.
also many thanks for your donation :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jayzed on November 16, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Thank you for your work. I can't wait until the next version is out with more of the ML stuff. I'm curious about the increased data rates, the intervalometer, HDR video etc etc... Even if none of this stuff ever comes out, the focus peaking and zebras make my camera feel like a different model. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: xmd5a on November 17, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
no solution, as i cannot reproduce anymore :(
either its good or bad. i am not sure yet.
Maybe there is a way to implement full camera log (keypressings, camera state etc.)? I had this bug twice. Camera flashes by a card led one time a minute or so and drains battery.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 17, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
Maybe there is a way to implement full camera log (keypressings, camera state etc.)? I had this bug twice. Camera flashes by a card led one time a minute or so and drains battery.

this bug only happens with features that were not enabled in this alpha.
so noone should have seen them.

what did you do when you encountered these bugs?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: xmd5a on November 17, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
I see this problem right now. Autosleep is set to 2 min in canon firmware but camera does not went to sleep and red led does not blink like last time I caught this bug. What did I do: testing trap focus, recording short videoclips, looking at waveform and histogram in playback mode (picture style button), using SET+dial (exposure fusion up to 5 images). What can I do to diagnose problem before the battery runs out? Firmware alpha1, not bitrate monster.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: xmd5a on November 17, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
Before battery is over I took some tasklist screenshots. Here another bug: captured screenshots are named TEST.BMP without counter. So to view second and following images I have to rename them. This behavior probably can ruin card filesystem.
Here is my ML settings and these screens: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4624786/ML_7Dalpha1_drain_battery_bug.zip
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: vsantos on November 17, 2012, 11:04:46 PM
Congratulations for this achievement!
I installed ML on my 7D which includes a BG-E7 Gripper (even using
non-original canon batteries), and everything went as smooth as announced :-)
I understand that this is a testing release, and many features are already
interesting, but I look eagerly for a more featured version, namely one
including HDR and FPS override for time-lapses, which will be a huge
enhancement over canon's base features.
What you guys are doing is a fine work! I already started considering donating ;-)

-vs
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on November 17, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
I already started considering donating ;-)
Stop considering, start donating.  ;)
It's worth every penny you can spare.  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: pfluger on November 18, 2012, 12:51:09 AM
Any news on getting ML to autostart? I am actually pretty happy with how this alpha 1 works, and any additional features would just be icing on the cake. It has been working without a problem for me the last weeks. Loving focus peaking, zebras and histogram.

Only thing is having to load ML everytime I turn on the camera. So many times I didn't use ML because I needed the camera right away.

Not sure what is involved, but if it is a copyright issue, maybe this could be circumvented by providing a patch tool to the end user to merge parts of the official firmware update file into the MIL fir file?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: xmd5a on November 18, 2012, 09:31:28 AM
this bug only happens with features that were not enabled in this alpha.
so noone should have seen them.

what did you do when you encountered these bugs?
Got it. Trap focus leads to the fact that camera does not shuts down by "Auto power off" setting in canon firmware. Just load ML, take 1 photo with trap focus and wait longer than "Auto power off" is set. Camera will not power off for a very long time if not forever.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 18, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
ah sorry, mixed smth up.
the trap focus but is noted in release notes:
   * When using trap focus, opening card door won't shut down the camera. Simply power off using power switch.
and i didnt think that it will apply to auto-off also.

the bugs i thought of were different ones that other features had.
those dont happen anymore, and i totally forgot about the trap focus one. will check that of course.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 18, 2012, 07:46:18 PM
well, i can tell you then *when* it will be ready ;)
but it will be just another 1-2 days maybe.

btw, any news on the news? :3
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 18, 2012, 09:34:09 PM
still hunting the nasty shutdown bug.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: arrinkiiii on November 18, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
DAMN  :'(  !!! Hope you hunt him !!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on November 18, 2012, 11:16:46 PM
still hunting the nasty shutdown bug.
good luck!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 19, 2012, 12:10:28 PM
the 4GiB limit is not likely to get removed in 7D, as it works with 32 bit file sizes.
600D works with 64 bits, so this one is possible to override 4GiB limit.

Sorry to come back to such an old post, but it just hit me, are you saying the 600D and newer Canon DSLRs are using a 64bit OS and Processor?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on November 19, 2012, 12:23:25 PM
No, they simply support the exFat filesystem which does not have the 4Gigs limitation. There are no 64 bits ARM CPUs around
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 19, 2012, 12:43:08 PM
Sorry to come back to such an old post, but it just hit me, are you saying the 600D and newer Canon DSLRs are using a 64bit OS and Processor?

dealing with 'long long's (64 bit types) does not require a 64 bit OS or 64 bit cpu.
although the used ARM has native 64 bit variable support.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: P337 on November 19, 2012, 02:41:11 PM
No, they simply support the exFat filesystem which does not have the 4Gigs limitation. There are no 64 bits ARM CPUs around

Oh ok, pretty much what I thought just wanted to double check that lol
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on November 19, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
I was playing around with LV dumping A:/ .jpeg (7D) in and using the zoom button to get close ups or crop modes while recording via LV dumping.  The resulting jpeg stream accurately represents what actually shows in Live View thus giving and amazing result at 5X and 10X crop mode.  I imported those images to Vegas and produced cropped video.  Unfortunately some frames were dropped so the video becomes jerky at times.

This is a very interesting feature which adds tremendous value to video crop mode!  It is like putting a 5x or a 10X multiplier to my existing lenses without degrading the image or raising the f-stop.

Is there any hope of producing a jpeg stream without dropping frames?

I also noticed that transferring all those small jpeg files is painfully slow.  Could some type of jpeg encoder join these images to produce cropped video?

I know this is discussed in the (M) JPEG encoder thread but this is over my head and do not fully understand if this will be implemented to the 7D.   

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 19, 2012, 03:36:43 PM
Is there any hope of producing a jpeg stream without dropping frames?

short: no  ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on November 19, 2012, 04:25:08 PM
short: no  ;)

Short thanks  :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dklamie on November 19, 2012, 07:25:23 PM
Don't see it mentioned in the thread, if it was then my bad... When I'm playing video files on the camera itself, I dial down the volume bar (displayed on the screen) and set it to zero but I can still hear recorded audio. I can increase the volume but not completely mute it when using ML.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 19, 2012, 07:42:56 PM
without ML this doesnt appear?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dklamie on November 19, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
without ML this doesnt appear?

Correct, without ML I can mute the sound completely.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on November 19, 2012, 08:54:54 PM
Don't see it mentioned in the thread, if it was then my bad... When I'm playing video files on the camera itself, I dial down the volume bar (displayed on the screen) and set it to zero but I can still hear recorded audio. I can increase the volume but not completely mute it when using ML.

Ok, I can confirm this. Without ML, sound can be dialled to zero, with ML, sound is always present and while the dial does change the volume, it won't go to quiet.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 19, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
so we have another issue that should get fixed before i release next alpha.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: StefanKeller.AC on November 20, 2012, 08:10:58 AM
I think such small, known issues are not a Problem for a new alpha, please release it  ::)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cbrgta on November 20, 2012, 01:54:12 PM
I think such small, known issues are not a Problem for a new alpha, please release it  ::)

+1  :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ArturoKiwi on November 20, 2012, 02:14:53 PM
+1 ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thni on November 20, 2012, 03:08:40 PM
I think such small, known issues are not a Problem for a new alpha, please release it  ::)

Although i also eagerly awaits the next alpha version, i think it's better to solve the issues found in one alpha version before releasing the next.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jayb69 on November 20, 2012, 07:08:47 PM
Although i also eagerly awaits the next alpha version, i think it's better to solve the issues found in one alpha version before releasing the next.

I completely agree.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Outback on November 21, 2012, 02:04:25 AM
I contacted IDA PRO about donating a copy of there software for the cause and they let me know that they had already been
contacted by someone from within the camp and they had offered the software at a discount. I hope you guys got it and can continue on the 7D quest. I thank you so much for your efforts, you are what makes the world a nice place........
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Flownez on November 21, 2012, 04:44:40 AM
Although i also eagerly awaits the next alpha version, i think it's better to solve the issues found in one alpha version before releasing the next.

I agree too.  Systematic development workflow = reliable software.

Thanks again dev's for all your hard work.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ArturoKiwi on November 21, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
I agree too.  Systematic development workflow = reliable software.

Thanks again dev's for all your hard work.

The brain tell me you are right,  but my heart is hungry  ;) ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 22, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
I contacted IDA PRO about donating a copy of there software for the cause and they let me know that they had already been
contacted by someone from within the camp and they had offered the software at a discount. I hope you guys got it and can continue on the 7D quest. I thank you so much for your efforts, you are what makes the world a nice place........

hi,

yes i talked to them and they agreed to give us IDA Starter Named editions (IDASTAN).
we already planned the licenses we would buy and today we will start ordering.
but i dont know about any special discount?
i was told we only get the normal discounts that all users get (see https://www.hex-rays.com/cgi-bin/quote.cgi)

anyway. we will see if they add some special discount :)


about alpha 2:
yes, i will tra to find some workaround. but dont expect this being done in the next days.
it looks like triggering the camera to shoot a photo causes the shutdown bug.
no matter what i do, i cannot fix that now. still investigating.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 22, 2012, 11:20:35 AM
about alpha 2:
yes, i will tra to find some workaround. but dont expect this being done in the next days.
it looks like triggering the camera to shoot a photo causes the shutdown bug.
no matter what i do, i cannot fix that now. still investigating.

Don't worry, g3gg0. Take your time! We're rootin' for ya~!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on November 22, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
Don't worry, g3gg0. Take your time! We're rootin' for ya~!
Same here  ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: leonams on November 22, 2012, 07:51:13 PM
Don't worry, g3gg0. Take your time! We're rootin' for ya~!
May be as Christmas present  :-\ ?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 22, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
christmas 2013? :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on November 22, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
christmas 2013? :D
:o don't do that to us, please  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 22, 2012, 09:50:29 PM
too early? :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on November 22, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
too early? :D
Yeah, leave it till 2014 or better still, 2015  :P
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 22, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
in the meantime you yould help me with nailing down the problem.
inerested?

if yes:
 - remove your CF card
 - select M mode
 - enable info screen on camera by pressing INFO
 - connect camera to Windows PC
 - switch camera on
 - start EOS Utility
 - enter "Remote shooting"
 - set exposure time to 2"
 - shoot image using EOS Utility
 - do not poweroff/close anything - just open card door
 => does the camera shut down immediately? (also check for USB device disconnecting)

if yes:
 - i am confused

if not:
 - thats the same bug and same effect i see when shooting images using trap, bracketing, intervalometer etc.
 - can you find out if it is exposure time dependent? (it is on my cam)
 - what is the limit?
 - does it happen in all modes with that exposure times?
 - i reset my camera settings, didnt help. maybe playing with some features tells us what causes that behavior?
 - maybe its related to some settings (tried e.g. JPEG/RAW)


provide as much details as you can find out.
the more details we find, the better are the chances to fix that canon firmware bug ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on November 22, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
Quick check reveals the camera will only power off ( and disconnect from computer) when the shutter speed is 1 second or faster.
1.3 seconds and slower than that, the camera will not power off.
 :o

I'll try other combinations tomorrow, time for bed.  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on November 22, 2012, 11:31:57 PM
ok slightly confusing instructions.

I'm assuming we're taking ML out of the equation for these tests.

My experience is as follows

After remotely taking photos at various shutter speeds and then opening the door, powers down the camera and disconnects it from the pc. 

After closing the door it powers up again and reconnects

In fact opening the door up at any point with the dial in any position powers down the camera disconnects it from the pc

[edit]
After  changing my Auto Power Off setting from 1 min to off, I now get a completely different behaviour.  My camera no longer disconnects from the pc until it is physically switched off.

Putting it back to 1 min hasn't reverted it back either.  It stays connected
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on November 23, 2012, 12:17:59 AM
Quick check reveals the camera will only power off ( and disconnect from computer) when the shutter speed is 1 second or faster.
1.3 seconds and slower than that, the camera will not power off.

Had a quick try (on Mac OSX).

Here, anything down to 0"8 will turn the camera off / disconnect the computer, but from 1 second and onwards, the camera won't disconnect on opening the card door. So, it seems to be dependent on some other factors, rather than a hard limit, if you can shoot at 1 second without triggering the bug, and I can shoot at 1 second and trigger the bug...

So:
ISO 6400, no shutdown starts at 1 second and slower
ISO 320, no shutdown starts at 0.5 seconds and slower
ISO 100, no shutdown starts at 1/5th of a second and slower

All F2.8.

So it seems to be affected by exposure calculation, perhaps..? I'll see whether the aperture changing the exposure calculation has any affect next...

However, I don't think these numbers are hard and fast, as I just did some more playing, and went back to my known baseline I started with, 6400 2.8 0"8, shouldn't lock the camera up, but now does - so there seems to be a bit of varience based on some factor. I just now, at 6400 2.8, triggered the hang at 1/8 and slower, rather than the 1 second and slower it was to start with...

So I was rocking here at 6400 2.8, triggering the hang at 1/5th and slower, so the 1/5th was the hang point. Changing the aperture from F2.8 to F11 did indeed cause the camera to no longer hang at 1/5th - so preliminary tests suggest that the aperture value is also affecting when the bug is triggered.

I haven't got any predictable pattern yet, but perhaps some of those results might point towards some possible avenues of exploration to find out where the issue is occurring.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 23, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
thanks a lot for the investigation help!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on November 23, 2012, 01:11:24 AM
ok slightly confusing instructions.

I'm assuming we're taking ML out of the equation for these tests.

My experience is as follows

After remotely taking photos at various shutter speeds and then opening the door, powers down the camera and disconnects it from the pc. 

After closing the door it powers up again and reconnects

In fact opening the door up at any point with the dial in any position powers down the camera disconnects it from the pc

[edit]
After  changing my Auto Power Off setting from 1 min to off, I now get a completely different behaviour.  My camera no longer disconnects from the pc until it is physically switched off.

Putting it back to 1 min hasn't reverted it back either.  It stays connected

And what is strange now, is even with the camera switched off, plugging in the usb cable starts the eos utility up.  only removing and reinserting the battery stops this behaviour
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 23, 2012, 01:18:54 AM
thats the reason why i said, make it show the info screen ;)
if you press INFO 3 times, you get the info screen.
it will stay displayed until you really powered off the camera.

it will drain your battery if you dont power off correctly.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on November 23, 2012, 01:41:52 AM
thats the reason why i said, make it show the info screen ;)
if you press INFO 3 times, you get the info screen.
it will stay displayed until you really powered off the camera.

it will drain your battery if you dont power off correctly.

Hmm  I blame the initial instructions ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on November 24, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
On first tryout the camera did not disconnect from PC.  I was able to go up to 30 sec open the door and close the door and the camera would not disconnect.  Changed the "Auto power off" to 30 min and the camera would disconnect above 2 seconds.  Switched the "Auto power off" to 1 min and camera would disconnect from pc no matter what shutter speed.  Swithc "Auto power off" to 30 min and then off and tested buty camera always disconnected from PC.  I had to reinsert card and start the process all over to be able to open door without camera disconecting from PC.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: _iLiam on November 25, 2012, 05:59:51 PM
Anything else that you need help with testing? Can't wait for alpha 2! Sending lots of suport from over here.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 25, 2012, 06:32:54 PM
settings like AF, IS, etc didnt have an effect on the bug?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 25, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
btw. i am searching for another method to simulate keypress.
without that feature a new alpha doesnt make much sense.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on November 25, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
Charged battery overnight...

Now camera always disconect from PC when I open the door.  Nothing seems to revert to old situation where camera would not disconect under certain conditions.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 26, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
btw. i am searching for another method to simulate keypress.
without that feature a new alpha doesnt make much sense.

so... what happened here? I thought you were just hunting for that shutdown bug. (is it resolved yet?)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gmfbln on November 26, 2012, 05:09:20 PM
Just discovered the following:

when using a SanDisk Extreme III 30MB/s CF-card ML can be loaded as a firmware update and I can access its menu and change values but it can't be loaded to operate the 7D with it.

When using my Transcend UDMA 400x CF-card everything works fine.

No big issue, just thought I add this here.

Keep on your great work! Thanks a lot for all your work so far!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 26, 2012, 05:46:17 PM
@feureau:
that *is* the shutdown bug.
when shooting a picture and some conditions are met, the camera wont shut down by opening card door.

@gmfbln:
how are the cards formatted? which FAT type?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: gmfbln on November 26, 2012, 06:28:56 PM

@gmfbln:
how are the cards formatted? which FAT type?

they're both formatted inside the 7D as the instructions say.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 26, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
@feureau:
that *is* the shutdown bug.
when shooting a picture and some conditions are met, the camera wont shut down by opening card door.

Ah, I see.  :( The test thing you mentioned the other day. Does it effect only opening the card door? i.e. it still shut-down according to auto power off settings and on-off switch.

If so, it's a rather specific bug: what do you think of pre-releasing the alpha? (it is an alpha release after all, usually comes with some known bugs anyway)

Anyway, thanks for everything, g3gg0. Looking forward to that eos M work too. :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: edgardave on November 26, 2012, 11:30:04 PM
tested without any issues here!
(using non standard batteries and the canon one)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dfallsfilm on November 26, 2012, 11:33:23 PM
I have a question....

Will there be an Multi-Exposure mode function on the 7D?   5D Mark III, 1DX and 6D already have that function.  So, I'm asking if it is possible.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on November 26, 2012, 11:43:07 PM
Not sure if this helps, but if Live View mode is activated, the camera always shuts down  (in my experience anyway)

[Edit]
Actually this isn't right.   The info screen is blacked out and the mirror drops, but I believe the camera is still powered up as the USB connection isn't dropped.

I'll keep looking
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 27, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
I have a question....

Will there be an Multi-Exposure mode function on the 7D?   5D Mark III, 1DX and 6D already have that function.  So, I'm asking if it is possible.

Multi-exposure mode? As in exposure bracketing? 7D already has that.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on November 27, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
This is a canon bug not an ML.  A work around would be to shut the camera off when opening the door for proper shut down.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 27, 2012, 12:59:56 AM
I think what g3gg0 meant was that the same bug affects some of ML's functions like when shooting images using trap, bracketing, intervalometer etc

I think a workaround is to just not open the card door and leave the camera to bleed to death. (i.e. switch the on/off switch to off)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: dfallsfilm on November 27, 2012, 04:54:02 AM
Multi-exposure mode? As in exposure bracketing? 7D already has that.

Nope, it is not what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about auto bracketing.

THIS IS what I'm talking about.... I will show you for example:

http://learn.usa.canon.com/app/pdfs/quickguides/CDLC_MultiExposure_Feature_QuickGuide.pdf

http://cdn.cnet.com.au/story_media/339332802/multipleexposure.jpg
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: a1ex on November 27, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/userguide#intervalometer
http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/userguide#image_review_settings

or simply hold the shutter button pressed for a few seconds ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 27, 2012, 11:15:24 AM
Oh, that! It's just a fancy feature they put in the camera. (like in-camera HDR)

They put the same features (multiple exposure and HDR) in DPP. You can just take multiple exposure (hold the shutter button, shoot 8fps) and use the feature in DPP.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: atomcc on November 28, 2012, 01:04:55 AM
Hey,

Thanks very much.

Any chance you could add the anamorphic desqueeze x1.33 to the 7d firmware? I will definitely donate anyway.

Thanks again.
J
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 28, 2012, 01:39:35 AM
Any chance you could add the anamorphic desqueeze x1.33 to the 7d firmware?

I think this already exists in the full ML set, along with defishing, but it hasn't been ported yet.

At any rate, I wonder how that alpha 2 is coming along...?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: candymanjl on November 29, 2012, 02:04:24 AM
Just tried to install this on my 7D and I got a "cannot copy" error when I tried to put the firmware onto the card, tried two different machines, same problem.

I seem to remember with my 20D that you couldn't do a firmware update if the CF card was too large.  I have a 16 gig card in my 7D, could that be why?  I'm just grasping at straws.

I am already on 2.0.3 from Canon.  Should I re install the firmware from the link on the download page?

Thanks!

Rich
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Flownez on November 29, 2012, 02:27:02 AM
Just tried to install this on my 7D and I got a "cannot copy" error when I tried to put the firmware onto the card, tried two different machines, same problem.

Are you using a card reader to transfer ML to the CF card?  Using the camera as a card reader will result in problems.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: candymanjl on November 29, 2012, 02:35:58 AM
Are you using a card reader to transfer ML to the CF card?  Using the camera as a card reader will result in problems.

Gotcha, guess I need a card reader, thanks!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on November 29, 2012, 09:34:45 AM
At any rate, I wonder how that alpha 2 is coming along...?

it will take some time until i figure out how to solve the shutdown problem when shooting images.
i am not okay with releasing a buggy version.
i know some of you really would love even this version with shutdown problems.

but there are still some others who will (with good reason) be disappointed because it drains battery etc.
i want to save them from trouble and the ML team from reading too much bug reports ;)

as soon this issue is solved, i will release alpha 2
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: MichaelAndrian on November 29, 2012, 11:40:45 AM
Hi g3gg0 !  :)

First of all! Thank you for your works! ML on the 7D has been a God-send to all DSLR filmmakers!

I was wondering about something,

Is there or is it possible to have the AGC disable hack like the canon 550D? It was AMAZING!the canon update did not do an entirely clean audio and Im really curious about ML.

Thank you so much!  ;)  :D

*Note: What I means by the AGC disable hack means the menu to control AGC,Digital Gain and Analog Gain separately.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 29, 2012, 01:24:50 PM
it will take some time until i figure out how to solve the shutdown problem when shooting images.
i am not okay with releasing a buggy version.
i know some of you really would love even this version with shutdown problems.

but there are still some others who will (with good reason) be disappointed because it drains battery etc.
i want to save them from trouble and the ML team from reading too much bug reports ;)

as soon this issue is solved, i will release alpha 2

Cool! :D Please keep us updated. :P Thanks for all the hard work!

Btw, maybe we could set up non-developer volunteers to field known issues like this on released ML releases? It would help de-waste developer's time, I suppose.

It was AMAZING!the canon update did not do an entirely clean audio and Im really curious about ML.

Could you post a comparison of the sound between the 550D with AGC hack and 7D?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on November 29, 2012, 02:11:59 PM
Is there or is it possible to have the AGC disable hack like the canon 550D? It was AMAZING!the canon update did not do an entirely clean audio and Im really curious about ML.

The 7D already has manual audio controls? Set it from "Auto" to 'Manual", pick your recording level, and there you go. Nothing to do with ML, the 7D already has that feature with version 2.x.

Or are you saying that there is a problem with the 7D's manual audio recording?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: MichaelAndrian on November 30, 2012, 10:47:27 AM
Could you post a comparison of the sound between the 550D with AGC hack and 7D?

  Definitely! Please analyze this link and tell me what you think :)



(

The following control are maintained:

-Same Room
-Same Audio Equipment
(Rode Videomic Pro)
-Battery is Full


Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: MichaelAndrian on November 30, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
The 7D already has manual audio controls? Set it from "Auto" to 'Manual", pick your recording level, and there you go. Nothing to do with ML, the 7D already has that feature with version 2.x.

Or are you saying that there is a problem with the 7D's manual audio recording?

Yes! It is true that the 7D already has the manual audio controls from the new update V2. But I think they have not disabled the AGC. I think the manual control is solely a recording level which still have the Auto Gain and this is all based on my opinion, I did some test and I found that they are more noisy than the 550D AGC disable hack which Magic Lantern team did a TERRIFIC Job! What do you think? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6OuUlzfnM

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Mr. Propaganda Guy on November 30, 2012, 11:20:59 AM
I think the manual control is solely a recording level which still have the Auto Gain and this is all based on my opinion, I did some test and I found that they are more noisy than the 550D AGC disable hack which Magic Lantern team did a TERRIFIC Job! What do you think? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6OuUlzfnM

Thanks for the test - Yeah, the difference is night and day.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on November 30, 2012, 12:04:44 PM
Spectrally speaking: http://imgur.com/5kigq

There seems to be a lot more noise from the 550D, and the floor noise seems to still rise after no sound. Much like what happens when you have AGC on. (as denoted on the last bit of the 550D spectrum)

Anyway: the 550D vs 7D aren't the same audio clip, but I'm wondering what's causing all those spikes on the 7D. It's not happening on mine. Try recording something at the same time?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jphansen on November 30, 2012, 12:15:31 PM
I know a little about audio.. When you set the 7D to manual.. you control the level in the menu.. is the volume set to the same level at both cameras?

If you want the best low noise audio you have to use a pre amp like JuicedLink http://www.juicedlink.com (http://www.juicedlink.com)

Then you need to set the 7D to manual control and set it 1 step up from the lowest volume setting and boost the volume through the JuicedLink.

Check he's video's on the page..

When recording.. What level was the camera volumes at?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: MichaelAndrian on December 01, 2012, 03:50:31 AM
Spectrally speaking: http://imgur.com/5kigq

There seems to be a lot more noise from the 550D, and the floor noise seems to still rise after no sound. Much like what happens when you have AGC on. (as denoted on the last bit of the 550D spectrum)

Anyway: the 550D vs 7D aren't the same audio clip, but I'm wondering what's causing all those spikes on the 7D. It's not happening on mine. Try recording something at the same time?

Sorry.. which of the image is the 550D and which one is the 7D?

Btw, yeah. It is not the same audio clip, but that's the best I can do :S I soled the 550D couple of days ago which left me with old clips I had recorded. But I tried to match the condition, Both are recorded at the same room (although you can't see it because of a different light setup) with the same audio device and about the same distance.

Btw, do you own the 550D? :)

Believe me, the magic lantern AGC disable is far more superior.Well,for me it is  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: MichaelAndrian on December 01, 2012, 04:06:07 AM
I know a little about audio.. When you set the 7D to manual.. you control the level in the menu.. is the volume set to the same level at both cameras?

If you want the best low noise audio you have to use a pre amp like JuicedLink http://www.juicedlink.com (http://www.juicedlink.com)

Then you need to set the 7D to manual control and set it 1 step up from the lowest volume setting and boost the volume through the JuicedLink.

Check he's video's on the page..

When recording.. What level was the camera volumes at?

There is no way you can know if the volume is at the same level for both camera. Well when I was using the Canon 550D, the canon did not provide me with a manual audio level like the 7D has from the update. Then I use the Magic Lantern which includes a control of analog gain and digital gain. And what I did was in my 550D I turned of the digital gain completely and just raise the analog gain.This is where things set apart from the canon update.

When you make the audio setting to manual from the canon update, there is still a "Digital" Gain in there which causes the spikes in the video. That's why.. would it be wonderful if we can turn off the digital gain with the Magic Lantern audio menu? saves the hassle of bringing heavy juicelink (although maybe the juicelink is a little bit better (maybe))  ;D

When I was recording, I was using 5 clicks on the 7D.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jdv213 on December 01, 2012, 08:09:53 AM
I'm on the verge of investing a fortune to upgrade from the 7D to the 5DkmIII (including underwater housing, nanaoflash etc) due to Canon's statement of a firmware release which will allow clean HDMI output.

Is there a realistic chance of the 7D having a clean usable HDMI out within the next two months? Would much rather funnel some funding into ML to make this happen than upgrading:)

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Jasonsilzle on December 01, 2012, 08:39:36 AM
JDV213 - I don't know that it would be in the next two months and while it seems like with the Dual Digics there should be plenty of horsepower under the hood, I have been waiting for this very same thing and I am sad to say I believe the general idea is we will always have to work with the cropped HDMI out rather than a full 1080. Believe me I totally hope I am wrong :)

Am I wrong guys?

PS...You know you can do a cropped clean out now right? It isn't always reliable, sometimes canon's junk pops back on screen.
Title: Thank you
Post by: 7Denver on December 01, 2012, 07:16:46 PM
I want to pop back in a express my gratitude to g3gg0 and the other ML developers for continuing their work on the 7D alpha.  Most of the time my excitement to see alpha 2 is ebullient, which my girlfriend will attest to.   However, she is a photographer too, so she understands.  :) 

Thanks again!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on December 02, 2012, 11:22:01 PM
Hi g3gg0

 I think I may have had some success in making the camera shutdown at any shutter speed however it does deviate from your initial instructions  (hope this won't be a problem).

Following the initial instructions
Set shutter speed to 2"
Take photo using the eos utility and wait for the image to be transferred to the pc
Open card door

Camera doesn't shutdown and usb connection is still alive

With slight modification to the instructions
Set shutter speed to 2"
Take photo using the eos utility and wait for the image to be transferred to the pc
hover over the eos utility shutter button (camera performs exposure and focus)  but do not press the button
Open card door

Camera shuts down every time.


Now hopefully if you can simulate the additional step within ML then the camera might shutdown.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 03, 2012, 12:42:01 AM
thanks will check that! :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 03, 2012, 01:41:26 AM
*crosses finger*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: xmd5a on December 03, 2012, 07:49:16 PM
Found something strange. Audio meters in ML stops working after changing "Rec. level" in Canon audio settings (mode - Manual). Canon audio levels of course are working at that moment. Can't fix that without rebooting ML.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 03, 2012, 09:57:20 PM
hover over the eos utility shutter button (camera performs exposure and focus)  but do not press the button
Open card door

Camera shuts down every time.

Good spot. Confirmed. I also tried this in manual focus mode, with back button focusing, to take focusing out of the equation.

This would suggest, as per my earlier hunch, that the issue is caused in the metering/exposure calculation stage.

Now, in Manual mode, the camera's metering/exposure calculation isn't contributing the final picture exposure, but there is metering and exposure calculating going on to determine where the exposure needle is going to be displayed (indicating possible under/over exposure with your settings).

So - I then changed the camera's half press from "Metering" to "AF Lock", to remove metering from the shutter button.

So, to break it down:
- I can turn the camera on, settings as above, with EOS utility running and metering taken off the shutter button
- take a photo (from EOS Utility)
- open the card door
- camera hangs.

- Close the card door
- half press on the camera (some metering is still done as the exposure needle is displayed)
- open the card door
- the camera still hangs.

- Close the card door
- Half press (ie mouseover) on the EOS utility shutter button
- open the card door
- The camera shuts down ok.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 03, 2012, 10:25:24 PM
sounds like a plan for a workaround ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 04, 2012, 03:36:46 AM
Huzzah! \o/
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: arrinkiiii on December 04, 2012, 06:50:43 PM
YES  :)

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 04, 2012, 08:50:18 PM
I wonder if it works...

*rubs hands*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 04, 2012, 09:37:11 PM

thanks binky38, thanks beej!
that is a workaround for the problem.
its not a "real fix" yet.
but at least we now have a chance to recover from that problem :)

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/a41c7bfa3f83533b80ab03eeaffa638b117ab0ec



Good spot. Confirmed. I also tried this in manual focus mode, with back button focusing, to take focusing out of the equation.

This would suggest, as per my earlier hunch, that the issue is caused in the metering/exposure calculation stage.

Now, in Manual mode, the camera's metering/exposure calculation isn't contributing the final picture exposure, but there is metering and exposure calculating going on to determine where the exposure needle is going to be displayed (indicating possible under/over exposure with your settings).

So - I then changed the camera's half press from "Metering" to "AF Lock", to remove metering from the shutter button.

So, to break it down:
- I can turn the camera on, settings as above, with EOS utility running and metering taken off the shutter button
- take a photo (from EOS Utility)
- open the card door
- camera hangs.

- Close the card door
- half press on the camera (some metering is still done as the exposure needle is displayed)
- open the card door
- the camera still hangs.

- Close the card door
- Half press (ie mouseover) on the EOS utility shutter button
- open the card door
- The camera shuts down ok.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RenatoPhoto on December 04, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
How can we test it?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 04, 2012, 11:40:39 PM
as soon alpha 2 is released
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: _iLiam on December 04, 2012, 11:42:49 PM
Literally been checking this topic every hour in anticipation! Amazing work guys well done for the discoveries  :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on December 04, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Literally been checking this topic every hour in anticipation! Amazing work guys well done for the discoveries  :D
That makes two of us  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 05, 2012, 12:59:02 AM
thanks binky38, thanks beej!
that is a workaround for the problem.
its not a "real fix" yet.

Yeah, good news, it's a step towards understanding what's going on and therefore what the proper fix would be.

I guess the thing to do is to look at what the code is doing in that specific instance, and try to determine which bits of code is responsible for the issue - once you have that, understanding what is going on should hopefully lead to a proper fix. But you know what you're doing with this, I'm sure! ;)

but at least we now have a chance to recover from that problem :)

Indeed!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: inky38 on December 05, 2012, 09:36:54 AM
thanks binky38, thanks beej!
that is a workaround for the problem.
its not a "real fix" yet.
but at least we now have a chance to recover from that problem :)

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/a41c7bfa3f83533b80ab03eeaffa638b117ab0ec

Thanks g3gg0 glad I could help out in a very small way. Can't wait for Alpha 2  :D

You and the rest of the ML team deserve all of the credit you get.

Keep up the good work

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: kenb129 on December 05, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
I finally decided to play around with the release since I just got a manual lens.  I was trying the focus peaking, which is works great, but when I review a photo and hit the button to zoom in it would immediately zoom in all the way instead of incrementally.  It is reproducible every time I try it.  Is this intentional or just something not quite right?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 05, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
thanks binky38, thanks beej!
that is a workaround for the problem.
its not a "real fix" yet.
but at least we now have a chance to recover from that problem :)

https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/a41c7bfa3f83533b80ab03eeaffa638b117ab0ec

Awesome. Btw, someone should notify canon of this weird bug... Someone from ML should have the honor. :3

Looking forward to Alpha 2!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 05, 2012, 07:08:12 PM
when I review a photo and hit the button to zoom in it would immediately zoom in all the way instead of incrementally.  It is reproducible every time I try it.  Is this intentional or just something not quite right?

This is a feature, not a bug :)
It enables you to check critical focus quickly, which is what it is intended for.

"Zoom In: quick image magnification: a single click can zoom all the way in, on center point, on AF point etc (configurable)."

Prefs -> Image Review Settings...

"Quick Zoom

Faster zoom in PLAY mode, for checking critical focus:

OFF
ON - zooms faster than Canon firmware.
SinglePress → 100%: a single press of Zoom In will zoom all the way in (to 100%) - on center point. Next press will zoom out (full screen image).
Full zoom on AF point: similar, but it will zoom on currently selected autofocus point.
Full zoom on last position: similar, but it will remember the last position of the zoom box."

Do read the documentation when playing and learning ML, there is a lot of stuff in there...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: kenb129 on December 05, 2012, 11:50:21 PM

Do read the documentation when playing and learning ML, there is a lot of stuff in there...

Point taken, can't wait to dig into it.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on December 05, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
Awesome. Btw, someone should notify canon of this weird bug... Someone from ML should have the honor. :3

Looking forward to Alpha 2!

Does the bug happen without ml too? If so, yes, we should notify Canon ASAP
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 06, 2012, 01:03:40 AM
Does the bug happen without ml too? If so, yes, we should notify Canon ASAP

Yes, all of the basic testing with this bug from us non-developers were done without ML loaded.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 06, 2012, 02:10:07 AM
correct. we need somebody who will care for such things and contact canon developers (somehow) directly.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 06, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
So, uh.. has anyone contacted Canon yet? If nobody tried to get in touch with their devs yet, I'll go ahead and find out how to do it and do it.

Also, did the workaround work for ML?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on December 06, 2012, 09:14:23 PM
We may have another bug report for Canon too (not on the 7D). I'll start a discussion in the appropriate place. Thanks for reporting
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: overlimit on December 10, 2012, 01:15:29 AM
any news? tks for the hard work ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 10, 2012, 01:34:21 AM
i am currently running stability tests and cleaning up stuff i prepared for alpha 2.
expect the alpha 2 to arrive on xmas or before if there isnt any show stopper like the last time ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: 7Denver on December 10, 2012, 02:05:16 AM
You are my Christmas hero g3gg0!  Thank you for continuing to work out Alpha 2
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 10, 2012, 02:17:18 AM
i am currently running stability tests and cleaning up stuff i prepared for alpha 2.
expect the alpha 2 to arrive on xmas or before if there isnt any show stopper like the last time ;)

Hooray! \o/ Thanks, G3gg0!

Also:

We may have another bug report for Canon too (not on the 7D). I'll start a discussion in the appropriate place. Thanks for reporting

Has anyone reported this to canon yet. And where's the discussion (and the other bug to report) btw? Can't seem to find it.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 10, 2012, 02:30:09 AM
i am currently running stability tests and cleaning up stuff i prepared for alpha 2.
expect the alpha 2 to arrive on xmas or before if there isnt any show stopper like the last time ;)

Nice!  8)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: thni on December 10, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
i am currently running stability tests and cleaning up stuff i prepared for alpha 2.
expect the alpha 2 to arrive on xmas or before if there isnt any show stopper like the last time ;)

Good Work g3gg0 !
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: adamtoms on December 10, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
wahoo!! cheers g3gg0 ;D cant wait!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 10, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
i am currently running stability tests and cleaning up stuff i prepared for alpha 2.
expect the alpha 2 to arrive on xmas or before if there isnt any show stopper like the last time ;)

Btw, did you use the workaround or did you solve and squashed the shutdown bug?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: 42kwisatzhaderach on December 11, 2012, 03:06:46 AM
Way to go G3gg0. Good catch on that workaround inky38.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on December 11, 2012, 07:34:35 AM
g3gg0,

Thank you again for the hard work you have done. It's good to see that others were able to help out and create a workaround for the shutdown bug. I'm eagerly awaiting that Alpha 2. It's not fair that the 5D MK III is ahead of us in that regard ;). Anyhow, I see commits for the intervalometer and trap focus. What else might you have in store for the next alpha? :p
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 11, 2012, 09:30:00 AM
>Anyhow, I see commits for the intervalometer and trap focus.

How did you saw this?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: nanomad on December 11, 2012, 10:11:41 AM
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 11, 2012, 12:05:03 PM
Ooh! :D

Thanks
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Strangeframe on December 12, 2012, 08:45:10 AM
Can we do headphone monitoring with this ML?  If so, what hardware will I need?

Mahalo!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Digital Corpus on December 12, 2012, 08:53:03 AM
This is an alpha and has to be re-loaded after each time the camera shuts down. Please search/read the release page... It would have taken less time than registering and waiting for such a reply.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RAK1966 on December 12, 2012, 03:31:34 PM
Hello all together,
I think about buying the EOS 7D. But I need your help. I'm not really shure about my decision, for that here are my questions:
1. Does the EOS 7D have a clean HDMI out for recording with an extern recorder?
2. Is the HMDI-out in the 4:2:2 format?

Thank your for your answers!

Best regards Ralf
 
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jphansen on December 12, 2012, 03:36:11 PM
1. not quite yet.. Magic Lantern will have I guess..
2. http://www.canon5dtips.com/news-rumors/getting-444-video-from-the-hdmi-output-of-a-7d/
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: jayzed on December 12, 2012, 07:16:24 PM
Just another thank you for getting this working. I really can't believe the improvement in my video. Being a rank amateur (I'm a sound guy who moved over to the dark side in April) I need all the help I can get, so I say again - hoo-bloody-ray for zebras and focus peaking. If nothing else ever comes out of this, that's enough. I am looking forward to not having to load ML every time I boot , but I can live with it. I've just gone and bought the Mosaic anti-aliasing filter, a (surprisingly good) no-name follow focus and one of those video monopods with the fluid 'foot' and I'm loving what I'm creating. Nothing good enough for you lot to see, of course, but for me - it's fantastic. I'll drop another small donation when the next version comes out. No, that's not a bribe, I'm just skint after buying all that crap listed above :-)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Strangeframe on December 12, 2012, 09:56:26 PM
No word on headphone monitoring for the 7D?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chasv on December 12, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
No word on headphone monitoring for the 7D?

Pray do tell, where are you hoping to plug your headphones into?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Strangeframe on December 12, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Pray do tell, where are you hoping to plug your headphones into?

There are solutions for the 5D even the Rebel 2ti using various ports on the camera and adapters.

Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 13, 2012, 01:46:26 AM
It looks like it already works with that thing on the 7D without ML
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Strangeframe on December 13, 2012, 02:02:22 AM
Nope. That method doesnʻt seem to work...yet. Thatʻs why Iʻm asking the ML guys.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chasv on December 13, 2012, 01:10:13 PM
There are solutions for the 5D even the Rebel 2ti using various ports on the camera and adapters.


Very interesting. Had not come across the FiiO e5 before.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: adamtoms on December 19, 2012, 09:24:23 AM
any more news on this? Would love to get the v2 before i go away at Christmas?  :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 19, 2012, 09:47:11 AM
it will come before the 24th ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 19, 2012, 10:00:16 AM
This will be the best Christmas since a really long time. :3
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on December 19, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
it will come before the 24th ;)
That's great news.  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: RAK1966 on December 19, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
Can we in the version 2 already set a higher bitrate?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: da.vanderzon on December 19, 2012, 11:39:44 AM
It will be exciting to use the new functionality. The first alpha already changed my way of filming with the 7D.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 19, 2012, 11:47:44 AM
Can we in the version 2 already set a higher bitrate?

We can already do this. Check the halloween bitmonster.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: adamtoms on December 19, 2012, 12:43:21 PM
it will come before the 24th ;)
Thats great, thanks g3gg0!  ;D agree with da.vanderzon, this really given my camera a new lease of life, going to be a good Christmas for sure!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Northwinds on December 19, 2012, 08:32:33 PM
It will be exciting to use the new functionality. The first alpha already changed my way of filming with the 7D.

Mine too! :-)
This Christmas is looking like being a little gloomy (for various reasons) but this is the first thing to get me excited!
Cheers!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 22, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
okay... the 21. december has passed and no apocalypse happened.
then lets finish the "the day after" release of the 7D to have it ready tomorrow night ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on December 22, 2012, 09:08:03 PM
okay... the 21. december has passed and no apocalypse happened.
then lets finish the "the day after" release of the 7D to have it ready tomorrow night ;)
*dances around the house*  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Northwinds on December 22, 2012, 09:34:08 PM
okay... the 21. december has passed and no apocalypse happened.
then lets finish the "the day after" release of the 7D to have it ready tomorrow night ;)

Superb! Looking forward to it!
Cheers!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: arrinkiiii on December 22, 2012, 11:33:14 PM
okay... the 21. december has passed and no apocalypse happened.
then lets finish the "the day after" release of the 7D to have it ready tomorrow night ;)

Yes, yes and YEEESSS =)))

Now its 22:22, 22 of december in Portugal !!! Grrreeeee = D maybe for me it will be for tomorrow, 23. And im happy with that =))))

Oiéé, best present ever!!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Maurits_BvdB on December 23, 2012, 01:53:04 AM
Great news!!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ted ramasola on December 23, 2012, 02:15:32 AM
okay... the 21. december has passed and no apocalypse happened.
then lets finish the "the day after" release of the 7D to have it ready tomorrow night ;)

 :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: golanster on December 23, 2012, 07:42:46 AM
will we have to reflash it every time or is this fixed?
the first ml was great but after a few times it got frustrating to reflash and i just continued filming without it...
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ted ramasola on December 23, 2012, 08:44:45 AM
will we have to reflash it every time or is this fixed?
the first ml was great but after a few times it got frustrating to reflash and i just continued filming without it...

This is because its still in Alpha. Not yet even Beta.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: golanster on December 23, 2012, 09:08:58 AM
This is because its still in Alpha. Not yet even Beta.

i know, but this is the only thing that preventing me from using it on a daily basis.
every time i line up a shot, change location, giving directions to the cast the camera shuts the shutter and i need to reflash
thats my christmass wish :-)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ted ramasola on December 23, 2012, 09:24:23 AM
i know, but this is the only thing that preventing me from using it on a daily basis.
every time i line up a shot, change location, giving directions to the cast the camera shuts the shutter and i need to reflash
thats my christmass wish :-)

I've been using ML on my 5D for a while now. I never used it seriously until it was in the UNIFIED ML state which is out of alpha and beta and is a stable piece of code.
So, with this development of ML for the 7D, I appreciated their work and donated. BUT I am waiting and NOT INSTALLING it yet until its in stable form. No use in stating the obvious since its shortcomings is clearly stated on the first post but just like you I am hoping that alpha 2 will make my Christmas Stocking. ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 23, 2012, 11:42:21 AM
to clear up a few things before people ask:

the upcoming alpha 2 release is, as the name suggests, still an alpha.
this means:
 - some features are missing
 - some features might be enabled but they dont work
 - some features might crash or disturb normal operation
 - your camera wont get modified (boot flag), you have to load ML into RAM manually (firmware upgrade function)
 - you will see which features are implemented and which not when i release it tomorrow

why?
a) we are not done yet
b) you all want to have a preview and as much ML as possible at the monment
c) we need your feedback to find bugs

i have time to finish the file starting from 8pm CET, so i think its ready at around 11PM.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 23, 2012, 11:56:42 AM
i have time to finish the file starting from 8pm CET, so i think its ready at around 11PM.

Hooray! \o/ Finally!

*sets up timer*
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 23, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
i know, but this is the only thing that preventing me from using it on a daily basis.

Sure, but the alternative is to not have it at all until the ML team release a stable, thoroughly tested solid version, which could be a year away.

Be thankful that you at least can test it, rather than moan that it's not yet what you want it to be - there are (good) reasons for this, and we need to respect the developers about this stuff.

every time i line up a shot, change location, giving directions to the cast the camera shuts the shutter and i need to reflash

Hmm You don't need to reload ML if you just come out of live view. You only need to reload it if you turn the camera off. So in your case, stop turning the camera off. Batteries are cheap enough and last long enough that leaving the camera on (screen off) between shots is perfectly viable for most uses - I do this a lot.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Stedda on December 23, 2012, 02:08:36 PM
Be thankful that you at least can test it, rather than moan that it's not yet what you want it to be - there are (good) reasons for this, and we need to respect the developers about this stuff.

+10000 :)

Make a donation instead of complaining about what you got for FREE.

That we we can get them the software they need to speed along the development.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 23, 2012, 03:30:48 PM
thanks, but there was no real complaint, or something i see as a complaint.
it looked just like a little misunderstanding what this alpha is for and i am sure this is cleared now.

anyway. keep the donations until next year. the donation button is disabled for now.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: feureau on December 23, 2012, 03:33:11 PM
Speaking of which, did you guys get that software thing you said you needed yet?
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on December 23, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
meny thanks ! will donate again on 2nd alpha .
hope i can use headphones for audio preview when i am shotting ( and not only after the shoot  )
... if yes , i will start filming next week ( i know.. i know... ita alpha....)

btw : for the 3rd alpha , can you guys try to control the audio gain SEPERATLY ? i mean volume on the left channel and volume to the right  ....  8)

again MENY thanks for the the ml 7d !!!! you guys rock !!!!!
"SHANA TOVA" ( have a wonderfull year)  for all the video guys out thare  ;D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: beej on December 23, 2012, 07:24:52 PM
btw : for the 3rd alpha , can you guys try to control the audio gain SEPERATLY ? i mean volume on the left channel and volume to the right  ....  8)

Out of interest, what would be the point in this? If you are plugging in external mics and need independent control, really you are requiring a level of audio that's beyond what a DSLR provides, and should be thinking of either a professional video camera with XLR's, phantom power etc, or an external recording device, like a Zoom H4N or some other audio box that gives you proper preamps and level control.

If you are not plugging in external mics, then separate levels is largely pointless as the mic is essentially receiving the same signal for left and right channels (it's tiny and in one position). The *only* reason I can think of for independant levels is for safety, to let one side be -12dB down than the other, as a safety backup channel if levels get really loud and distort - the DLSR preamps are poor and thus can't be run at a large headroom to account for this - in this case, I can see it would be useful (and I do this on other cameras quite often).

The internal mic on a DSLR is really only for quick and dirty stuff, or reference audio. Any further requirements to that and you should probably be upgrading your audio gear.

Note - I was actually an audio guy a long time before being a photographer/videographer, and I've also got a Sony professional video camera. DSLR audio is (currently, it will probably change) poor at best.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: chasv on December 23, 2012, 07:39:04 PM
i know, but this is the only thing that preventing me from using it on a daily basis.
every time i line up a shot, change location, giving directions to the cast the camera shuts the shutter and i need to reflash
thats my christmass wish :-)

Alternatively, have a look at the "Auto Power Off" settings under the standard 7D menu. Your choices are from "1minute" to "30 minutes" before Auto Power Off, or "no power off".

Personally, I chose "no power off" and it is up to me to switch the camera off, which is perfect.

Chas.

p.s. A really big thank you to all the developers who have been working on and checking code into the repository, you guys rock my 7D's world!
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: cracky123456 on December 23, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
Out of interest, what would be the point in this? If you are plugging in external mics and need independent control, really you are requiring a level of audio that's beyond what a DSLR provides, and should be thinking of either a professional video camera with XLR's, phantom power etc, or an external recording device, like a Zoom H4N or some other audio box that gives you proper preamps and level control.

If you are not plugging in external mics, then separate levels is largely pointless as the mic is essentially receiving the same signal for left and right channels (it's tiny and in one position). The *only* reason I can think of for independant levels is for safety, to let one side be -12dB down than the other, as a safety backup channel if levels get really loud and distort - the DLSR preamps are poor and thus can't be run at a large headroom to account for this - in this case, I can see it would be useful (and I do this on other cameras quite often).

The internal mic on a DSLR is really only for quick and dirty stuff, or reference audio. Any further requirements to that and you should probably be upgrading your audio gear.

Note - I was actually an audio guy a long time before being a photographer/videographer, and I've also got a Sony professional video camera. DSLR audio is (currently, it will probably change) poor at best.

well i am making films for events ( wedding etc. )  , with actors . scripts multy-locations and much more .
i am using 2 neck mics and 1 boom mic.
(boom is dynamic and the 2 neck mics are on the actors )
i am using pannasonic dvc200 cam  ( yeah... old ).
but now i am using the 7d more and more ( for shooting in small locations like cars ).
my wireless neck mics have good amps , so i dont need the 7d run on a full gain. usually on the 7d , i put the gain control on the lowest gain possible, and put the neck mics on a little high gain.
so the 7d will not affect with her crappy amps....
on post , i need the have control on left ( mic 1 ) and right ( mic 2 ) sepertly !   so i can put filters etc...

my job demands fast production ( i have only 1 day to shoot , and 1 day to post ).
and now... full HD ....

dont want to use 4HZOOM , dont have time to press 2 BUTTONS on shotting. its hard enoght to shoot pepole that are not actors.
with MENY speech mistakes ( it take 10-15 time for a good sentance from them )
and dont want to mess with it on the post. (even with puralEYES).
dont want to add to my gear a MIXER ...juicelink mixer

i want to use the smallest and the fastest gear for my job.
a control over left and right on the 7d , can save GEAR and TIME , and have a good amps from my mics.

( i know i will have a prob. with my boom mic ... i will buy 1 with phantom power or someting......)
( btw sorry for my english )
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Pelican on December 23, 2012, 11:37:33 PM
I've just pulled the changes, I hope there are all the stuff from the alpha2 version.

I can't wait for the release (I'm in the rainforest, in a small village near the Costa Rican and Nicaraguan border and my laptop's battery is running out now).

Merry Christmas and Happy 7D ML! :)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on December 24, 2012, 12:26:13 AM
(alpha 2 is already released)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: SonicScot on December 24, 2012, 12:32:13 AM
(alpha 2 is already released)
You are a star sir (and santa in disguise)  :D
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: Tmunah on December 26, 2012, 07:33:33 AM
Decided to do a donation from my coming salary payment. But unfortunately since last Saturday my 7D is now a dead duck. Dark viewfinder, no lcd display information. No matter which battery I use. I have two genuine batteries and an adapter. I also replaced the rc1616 battery. But no life in the camera. The computer also doesn't see the camera on USB. I was running ML, but I was outside in a very light rain when the camera stoppped. So I am afraid I first need the money to get the camera repaired. It's the second time it needs repaired. I got it new with burst mode problems and flash didn't work. It took two month to get it repaired and lost my appetite for filming because I missed several once in a life time opportunities with this camera.. Good camera indeed. My 40D never failed me but it is a reluctant film camera. ;-)

BTW, I was running ML with the VisionColor picture style. I also had a Zoom h4n plugged in the microphone jack. I am a programmer but I don't know any thing about the processes in the 7D. Might there be an issue with the combination of picture styles and ML? Both are using the processors, but how picture style and ML work within the context of the 7D I don't know. I don't think it can cause a problem because there is always a picture style involved. I also don't see how a program can completely kill hardware such that there isn't even a hint that the power is switched on.

One thing I noticed is that the view finder is rather dark. Like having it stopped down to f8. Which is for as far as I know normal for the 7D when the battery is removed. With the adaptor in the battery case the viewfinder seems to pulse between f8 and say f4 with a one second interval approximately.


Would you help me with instructions installing visioncolor on my 60d?  I've tried and tried to no avail.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: ArturoKiwi on December 30, 2012, 07:17:41 PM

Would you help me with instructions installing visioncolor on my 60d?  I've tried and tried to no avail.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this is an Alpha release ONLY for our 7D.
You must look at 60D thread ;)
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: hedwards on January 16, 2013, 03:23:43 AM
Are the key features listed in the first post working, or am I misunderstanding. If I am misunderstanding, where would I go to find a list of the features they have enabled?

I'm really wanting to capture some photos of the hummingbirds back home when I go, and the trap focus is pretty much mandatory for that. But, if I had to, I could probably use my sx 40 hs for that.

All in all, I think this is going to be quite useful. I still remember all those years back when somebody found the bit flip enable for RAW on that first Rebel.
Title: Re: First 7D alpha released!
Post by: g3gg0 on January 16, 2013, 07:37:02 AM
please check this thread: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=3974.0
there is already an alpha 2