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Title: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on September 15, 2012, 09:31:13 PM
EyeFrame Converter
Convert videos for hassle free import in Lightworks and lag-free playback on low-end computers with proxies. And convert exported files from Lightworks to a upload friendly format.
(http://download.videohelp.com/tin2tin/I-Frame_Converter2.png)
Lightworks is very picky on what video formats to import. EyeFrame Converter can convert most video files to the Lightworks friendly Matrox Mpeg2 I-Frame HD format. If this format is too heavy for your computer, use the convert to proxies option, which will produce low quality clips for a smooth editing process, which later can be swapped with high quality intermediate files for high quality export.

Import:
EyeFrame Converter will import and convert any file ffmbc/ffmpeg will open including mts, mov, avi, avs... and ML RAW.

Download:
EyeFrame Converter here. (http://eyeframeconverter.wordpress.com)

RAW tutorial:
- Btw. Time code and reel name can be edited by right click in coloum.
- The dcraw settings can be found and edited in "Documents/EyeFrame Data/dcraw.ini"


Lightworks:
Lightworks: here. (http://www.lwks.com/)
Lightworks thread: here. (http://www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=23&id=30817&Itemid=81)


Features:
 
Controls:
  Controls for video player(ffplay):
 
Tutorials:
The interface has changed, but the work flow remains the same.

How to use without proxies:
  How to use with proxies:
  How to swap proxy and intermediate files:
  Motivation:
After spending days trying to figure out to get footage from my Canon 60D into Lightworks without having lagging playback(which all the LW included transcoding formats does and also the much talked about GoPro CineForm codecs on my ageing computer), I finally tried the Matrox Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Matrox codec, which Khaver has been mentioning for a long time, and I was really surprised not only did my files convert fast, but they also played without lagging in Lightworks in 1080P resolution. That made me so happy that I spend the night on coding a simple, no fuss(no settings) drag&drop batch converter GUI for ffmbc.exe to convert HD files to the Matrox Mpeg2 I-Frame HD format.
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: ilguercio on September 15, 2012, 09:43:02 PM
Looks like this is what i was looking for.
I'm going to try it right now, thanks.
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: ilguercio on September 16, 2012, 12:02:36 AM
As soon as i hit "Convert" i get an error:
ffmbc.exe stopped working, nothing else.
What should i do?
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: tin2tin on September 16, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Update:
As of 16/9 2012 the I-Frame Converter can also create proxy files and swap between uncompressed intermediate and compressed proxy files by the click of a button. If the playback of Mpeg2 I-Frame HD files lags you can use this new function to create low bitrate proxys and by the click of a button swap low and high bitrate files when you want to export your project from Lightworks. If you got a very low end computer this is the way to edit without playback lag in Lightworks.

Download links in the first post.

If you get an ffmbc error try the 32-bit version.
(EDIT: removed the 64-bit version because ffmbc seemed unstable)
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: tin2tin on September 16, 2012, 11:53:25 PM
Updated: (download link in first post)
16/9 2012 Night:
- Added ffprobe for checking import files.
- Bugfix: swap wasn't working correctly after restart of app. 
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: Schloime on September 17, 2012, 06:43:47 AM
Greetings, tin2tin.
Nice to see people across forums :)
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: tin2tin on September 17, 2012, 11:30:52 PM
Here's yet another update. Download it from the first post.

Now a file called "EyeFrame_cmd.ini" is containing the command lines used.

Thanks to Khaver this is the way the command lines look now(the proxys are scaled and with a lower bitrate(1/6 of the original file size):
intermediate
ffmbc.exe -i "<SourceFileName>" -vf yadif -vcodec mpeg2video -intra -sameq -vtag M701 -acodec pcm_s16le -threads 8 -y "<OutputPath><OutputFileName>.avi"
proxy
ffmbc.exe -i "<SourceFileName>" -vf scale=iw/2:-1 -vcodec mpeg2video -intra -vtag M701 -acodec pcm_s16le -threads 8 -qscale 5 -qmin 1 -y "<OutputPath><OutputFileName>.avi"

This means ex. if sennahojx needs to use EyeFrame Converter for h.264 conversion the command lines can easily be changed in ex. Notepad.
Title: Re: Mpeg2 I-Frame HD Converter for editing 1080P in Lightworks on low end computers
Post by: tin2tin on September 19, 2012, 10:57:33 AM
Updated:
- Added: drag and drop files on the desktop icon for fast import.
- More error checking ex. project must be closed in LW for successful file swapping.
- Higher quality intermediates thanks to Khaver. ;)

Download from the first post in this thread.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter - import any video in Lightworks(free) and edit lag-free
Post by: tin2tin on September 19, 2012, 10:30:26 PM
Just added a video tutorial - view it in the first post. :)
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter - import any video in Lightworks(free) and edit lag-free
Post by: tin2tin on September 24, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
Update:
24/9 - New and improved interface, save working paths etc.
Download link at the first post.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter - import any video in Lightworks(free) and edit lag-free
Post by: tin2tin on September 30, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Updated: Now can EyeFrame Converter not only be used for converting Canon files to a Lightworks friendly format and creating proxy-files for editing on low-end computers, but also convert the huge exported files from Lightworks into a Vimeo or YouTube friendly format.  ;D

I hope you guys will find it useful. Lightworks is a pro nle and with EyeFrame you can get your feet wet editing your Canon files in the free version of Lightworks.

The latest change log:
29/9 - v. 1.4.2 Swap proxy files to project folder when adding more proxy files to project.
28/9 - New button: "Convert for upload"
27/9 - Thanks to Khaver new command lines solves the problems of missing audio in longer clips.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 08, 2012, 07:14:23 PM
Added some more features:
1.4.5 Added Double-left-click to view media in ffplay. Added Right-click to get media info.
1.4.4 Added import of folders and folders within folders.
1.4.3 Change audio bitrate when source is mono, check for 0k exported files, option to open log in Notepad.

Download link in first post.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: bart on October 08, 2012, 09:24:03 PM
Very nice work tin2tin. I'll try it as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 08, 2012, 10:24:45 PM
Thanks.  :D

Totally off topic, but how is your MIR lens? And where did you buy it? On a vacation I came by one in Bulgaria, but didn't buy it and now I feel a bit stupid that I didn't buy it.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: bart on October 09, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
Hi,

The MIR-24N(H) is in my opinion the best of the cheap 35/2 primes available. Got mine for 75eur and stopped me from searching further. Ok sharp right open and very nice bokeh. Not those harsh rings as with takumar 35/2 or vivitar 35 1.9. It knocks out strong lines in the background easily. I tried on a bookcase and It looks just great.
Many sample picture done with mir-24 are grainy photo scans and not very representative. I tried hard to find the photo that sold me but can't find it. I found this though. Made with both takumar s.m.c. 50 1.4 and mir 35/2 (someone else that appreciates this nice combo)

other samples.
http://forum.mflenses.com/arsenal-mc-mir-24-n-2-35-nikon-f-t38128,highlight,+mir++24.html
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/78029-melbournian-wide-open-bokeh-comparison.html

Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 10, 2012, 07:35:28 AM
Thank you. One more item on the shopping list. 8)

If anyone choke on the unusual ui of Lightworks, then check out the fine video tutorials in the bottom of the main lwks page.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 13, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
Updated:
13/10 - v. 1.4.6
Bugfix: Thumbnails not correct after delete and new import.
New: Keyboard short-cuts: Del and x key deletes selection, i key shows info, a key selects all.
New: Folder with alternative export codecs ex. ProRes and DVCPRO100(rename to EyeFrame_cmd.txt and add to main folder).
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 15, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
1.4.9 Added: Collect information on files it is not able to import and give you one message-box after the import has finished.
1.4.8 - Right click to select 'Convert for editing' - format and 'Convert for upload' format.
1.4.7 New: Import of Lightworks exported tif image sequences.
- If a wav file with the root name is found in the same folder it will be imported too(ex. 'filename.wav' for a sequence named 'filename-000001.tif').
- A 'filename-000000.tif' file must be the first file of the sequence.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 19, 2012, 11:01:01 AM
1.5.2 New: Setup installer. Correct ini format. Various command line corrections.
1.5.1 Various great enhancements by rhinox202
1.5.0 New: Timecode and reelname added to mov and mxf exports. If source has timecode it will be reused and if not the file creation date and time will be used. The creation date and a unique five letter word will be added as the reelname and the creation time will be the timecode. The intermediate and proxy file from the same source file will get identical reelnames and timecodes.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 22, 2012, 12:56:38 AM
1.5.3 New: Time Code, Reel Name and Frame Rate added(MediaInfo) or generated at import time and automatically added to exported mov and mxf files. Intermediate and proxy files from the same source will get the same time code and reel name.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 24, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
1.5.4
New:
- Edit time code settings for selection with right-click on time code item.
- Edit reel name settings for selection with right-click on reel name item.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 26, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
Updated:
1.5.5
Fixes by rhinox202:
- Limit spinner
- Cancel of swap dialog
- Remove unused icon code
- Left-double-click to open tc and reel name

Fixes by Khaver:
- Wrap spinner
- Only numbers in spinner
- Added Cancel buttons on TC and Reel Name
- replace ffprobe with mediainfo(so ffprobe can be left out)
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: jordancolburn on October 29, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
Love the idea for this converter.  I'm working with a slightly older machine right now, and while I considered using proxies before, the hassle of manually keeping track turned me off of it.  This should really help speed up the editing process.  Thanks!  I'll give it a try and let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on October 29, 2012, 11:07:50 PM
@ jordancolburn - I hope you'll find it useful.

Yet another update:
1.5.6 New by Khaver:
- Changed the Size column to Duration column.
- When adding a tiff image sequence or Avisynth scripts, an input box pops up so you can enter a new frames per second value.
- When the thumbnail creation function runs, it creates the thumbnail and at the same time retrieves the file info to fill in the list view items. If that doesn't supply all the info, mediainfo.dll is run to retrieve the missing info. This allows for correct image sequence info.
- The thumbnail creation command for ffmbc has been fixed so correct aspect ratio thumbnails are shown and it doesn't crash ffmbc.
- Dashes removed from reel name(max. 8 characters in Lightworks > the date).
- MJPEG HD export pre-set with time code for Lightworks free.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on November 22, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
Some more updates:

1.6.3 New: Edit formats
1.6.2 Changes: - Sort all items alphabetic by clicking row headers. - Intermediate files in project folder as default. Changes by Khaver: - Increment now works as it should (no gaps in frame count). - Clips don't have to be the same frame rate for increment to work. - Frame rate edit dialog changed from up/down arrows to a text input box. You can also enter a formula in the box to get fps such as 24000/1001 to get 23.976. - Frame rate item in the list now has 3 decimal place precision for those rates that might need it.
1.6.0 New: - Add incrementing time codes to selection. - Limit reel name to 8 characters.
1.5.9 - New: Right click on Frame Rate to change fps for selection. - New hotkeys: F5: Convert for edit. F6: Swap. F7: Convert for upload.
1.5.8 - Audio in DNxHD & ProRes: Endianness: Big, Codec ID: twos Khaver: - Speedup in encoding: the intermediate creation and proxy creation processes run simultaneously. - Minor fixes.
1.5.7 New: Icons. Fix: - Avisynth frame rate. - Numeric check for frame rates.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on April 07, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
More updates:
1.7.1 New: Menus
1.7.0 By Khaver: Fixed the endless loop bug when using "o" and "f" to add image sequences and Avisynth scripts. - Added the file name into the set frame rate dialog for image sequences and Avisynth scripts. - Changed UTC date and times gathered from ffmbc and mediainfo into local time so timecode reflects local time.
1.6.9 Use file name as embedded reel name, which can be useful if an LW exported EDL with file names is needed in ex. Blender.
1.6.8 New: Key "o" opens a select files dialog and key "f" opens a select folder dialog.
1.6.7 New: Keys "h" and "c" to display a message box containing the controls(rhinox202) Conversion duration(rhinox202) Bugfix: Adding folders containing image sequences(Khaver).
1.6.6 By rhinox202 New: Proxy message removed after clicking "Convert for editing". Proxy option added to "Set export formats" window. Conversion duration added to "Conversion finished" message box
1.6.5 By Khaver New: Enhanced image sequence import. Image sequences can be tif, jpg, png, tga or bmp files. The number of frames digits is not limited to 6 places. Any frame digit length will work. The first frame doesn't need to be 00000, etc. It can start at any number. The program will find the first frame in the sequence if you don't drag in the first file. Bugfix: Fixed the problem with 25fps being used to determine the duration of image sequences and other bug fixes.
1.6.4 New: Add prefix to selection of exported file names by right clicking item in the Name row. Leave prefix entry box empty to remove previously added prefixes from selected items. - L-key opens the ffmbc_log in Notepad.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on June 02, 2013, 06:49:26 PM
EyeFrame Converter 1.7.8 with Magic Lantern RAW import is up!

NEW: Convert Magic Lantern RAW files to dng, tiff and ex. Prores, DNxHD, MPEG2 I Frame HD and MJPEG.

- Add files/folders to the GUI or use the menus.
- Select the folder to add the pngs and tiff files in.
- Now the pngs and tiff files will be added to the folders.
- Then EFC opens the tiff image sequence.
- Select the frame rate(the first will be used for all following RAW imports)
- To preview the video double click on the thumbnail of the video.
- Right click on the colums to change values like T/C, R/N, Prefix and frame rate.
- Click 'Convert'.
- Select a Edit format(high quality) or a delivery format(mp4 for uploading).
- And let EFC batch convewrt all the files to the selected video formats.

Download it here (http://download.videohelp.com/tin2tin)!
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: aaphotog on June 02, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
Is this for Mac?
Also, if it converts from the .RAW files to pro res video, what does it do about the whacky white balance??? Given that the files will no longer be raw, changing the white balance on a pro res file will not be of the best quality, correct?
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 02, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
Not for Mac. It's just using a simple dcraw setting, so there is the Magenta feel to it. Let me know if someone has a suggestion how to solve this.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: IliasG on June 02, 2013, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: tin2tin on June 02, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
Not for Mac. It's just using a simple dcraw setting, so there is the Magenta feel to it. Let me know if someone has a suggestion how to solve this.

Change the WB multipliers in DNG.exif from 1 2.477 1.462 (order is green, red, blue) to something more natural. Look at exif.makers data of a normal 5DIII raw and you will find Canon's WB preset values.
For example Daylight preset is (REd, Green1, Green2, Blue) 2024, 1024, 1024, 1664 so normalizing for Green=1 .. R= 1.976563, B= 1.625. Tungsten is 1452 1024 1024 2473 and normalized 1 1.417969 2.415039 ...

In case of Black Level different from 2047 or 2048 set it at one of those values (the nearest).

I think that White level should be at 16382 instead of 15000 (to keep a bit more highlights from burning), waiting for some burned samples at all ISO to be sure about this.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 03, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
Thanks for your inputs. I've uploaded a new version with a dcraw.ini file(C:\Users\Public\Documents\EyeFrame Data) which looks like this(this is the default):
[commandline]
$rawset="-v -w -T -H 2"
 
Here the dcraw command line can be changed manually.

This is as far as I got testing tonight:
[commandline]
$rawset="-v -4 -r 1.976563 1 1.6252 1 -H 2 -T -b 3.5 -s 2048"


The first one is not 16 bit, and the second is very dark.

What would you guys say should be the default one?
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: IliasG on June 03, 2013, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: tin2tin on June 03, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
Thanks for your inputs. I've uploaded a new version with a dcraw.ini file(C:\Users\Public\Documents\EyeFrame Data) which looks like this(this is the default):
[commandline]
$rawset="-v -w -T -H 2"
 
Here the dcraw command line can be changed manually.

This is as far as I got testing tonight:
[commandline]
$rawset="-v -4 -r 1.976563 1 1.6252 1 -H 2 -T -b 3.5 -s 2048"


The first one is not 16 bit, and the second is very dark.

What would you guys say should be the default one?

Sorry I wasn't clear. I mean Black Level & White Level could be changed in exif (with exiftool) before opening the DNG with Dcraw.

Please upload your testing samples ..

The dark result could be the result of a linear (gamma=1) file without tag so the viewer opens it as if it was gamma 2.2

Or .. With some Dcraw builds the -s option changes Black Level on top off the existing so if it's already 2041 -s 2048 makes it  4089 .. You have to use -s 7 ..
But you have to read the BL as a first step and then decide. Recent ML builds do not have significant error at BL so you can leave it as is and correct only if after using a correct WB you see magenta or green cast at the dark areas. Use + for magenta and - for green cast.

Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 01:11:21 AM
EyeFrame Converter 1.7.9 is out!

Improvements:
- Stability issues
- Speed improvements
- Avoid pink color switch
- 16 bit

These are the dcraw settings which makes my 60D footage look okay(dunno how correct it is, but the settings can be changed manually):
-v -T -4 -b 3.9 -S 11597 -r 2.1426 1 1.5488 0
(daylight setting)

Change the dcraw settings in dcraw.ini file(C:\Users\Public\Documents\EyeFrame Data) which looks like this:
[commandline]
$rawset="-v -T -4 -b 3.9 -S 11597 -r 2.1426 1 1.5488 0"

More on the dcraw settings can be found here (http://lizquilty.com/2012/07/09/new-camera-canon-eos-650d-aka-kiss-x6i-linux-and-pink-ufraw-fun/).
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: bumkicho on June 04, 2013, 04:47:27 AM
Hi I have a bunch of folders with dng files from before. Is there a way to pick up from there? Right now it does raw-dng-tiff-conversion, right? Is there a way to start from dng files?
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 06:20:47 AM
I'm sorry no it is not possible. It's much faster than the previous version, but it still takes time. Tiff sequences starting from zero can be opened though.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: AriLG on June 04, 2013, 01:09:50 PM
Its very slow, and can't be uninstalled ("utCompileCode cannot be found" something)
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
Did you try 1.7.9?
Dcraw is not too fast, but you might be able to find a faster version which fits you system better here: https://sites.google.com/site/manuelllorens/

I'm not getting that uninstallation error here on Win 8, but I've tried to fix it and uploaded EFC 1.7.9 again. I hope this will take care of that uninstallation error(but I can check it, because I can't reproduce it here).
If that doesn't solve it and you just want to get rid of EFC then just delete the EyeFrame Converter folder in Programs, and a folder called 'Eyeframe Data'.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: bumkicho on June 04, 2013, 03:16:22 PM
tin2tin,

Thank you for sharing your program with us. I think it is a very useful tool. Below is my feedback after testing it.

1. Does it always need to copy a raw file over? I already have bunch of raw files in my hard drive and I would like to avoid unnecessary copying and pasting time. Possible?

2. When I need to pick a source file and a destination file, it won't let me go up to parent folders. If its source folder is set to F:\Raw, but I would like to pick another source folder F:\Raw2, for example, I cannot do it because I can't go up to its parent folder F:\
I can edit .ini file and reopen the program, but it's a pain.

3. It seems to struggle when a file is bigger. I have a couple 8GB raw files, it just hangs when trying to process these files.

Thanks again for your work.

Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
raw2dng and the raw file must be in the same folder. There is no destination option in raw2dng. Instead of messing around in the folder with the source files and then copy the resulting files to a new folder afterwards, I think it is more hygienic to copy the files before the processing.  I wish that raw2dng eventually would get an output path option, so this the copy step could be avoided.

I've fixed the folder dialog and uploaded a new 1.7.9.

If you open the Menu: View > Log you can see in end of the file in what process it hangs (either dng2raw or dcraw), and try to locate a newer/better version(for dcraw check the link above) and let me know if that will solve the problem of larger files.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: AriLG on June 04, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
I'm not getting that uninstallation error here on Win 8, but I've tried to fix it and uploaded EFC 1.7.9 again. I hope this will take care of that uninstallation error (but I can check it, because I can't reproduce it here).
I re-downloaded, re-installed... now it lets me uninstall. thanks.

I figured out why it looked "slow" : I didn't notice it craetes dng AND tiff at one go. so, now I understand.

But, if I may.... when I import my footage to ACR, I auto WB every frame, and export. EF generated tiffs looks yellow bleached. how can I correct this ? (excuse the laymen questions... :-\)
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
Great the the uninstaller now works! And you don't think it is that slow anymore :D

The white balance setting can be changed as described above: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2732.msg44999#msg44999

You could try with the old default setting($rawset="-v -w -T -H 2") - or look in the end of this (http://lizquilty.com/2012/07/09/new-camera-canon-eos-650d-aka-kiss-x6i-linux-and-pink-ufraw-fun/) post to find values which will fit your shooting conditions better.

QuoteDaylight: -r 2.1426, 1, 1.5488, 0
Shade: -r 2.4619, 1, 1.3193, 0
Cloudy: -r 2.3066, 1, 1.4258, 0
Tungsten: -r 1.5264, 1, 2.3428, 0
WhiteFluorescent: -r 1.9072, 1, 2.1973, 0
Flash: -r 2.3701, 1, 1.4141, 0
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: AriLG on June 04, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
You could try with the old default setting($rawset="-v -w -T -H 2") - or look in the end of this (http://lizquilty.com/2012/07/09/new-camera-canon-eos-650d-aka-kiss-x6i-linux-and-pink-ufraw-fun/) post to find values which will fit your shooting conditions better.
Ahhh... but you see, that's the thing : in ACR you see instantly how the AUTO settings effected your frame, and you can correct accordingly.

So with EF it's kind of an guessing game ? (not wanting to sound rude, just that it's all a workflow time thing : if I can't compensate certain things with EF, I might get into troubles later... and I'll prefer to "sacrifice" a little time...)

Thanks, friend !
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
The dng files are straight from raw2dng. I can't change the wb on those files. Are you using the dng files?

The settings mentioned above are for dcraw.exe for creating the tiff>video files. The settings are dcraw settings google then for further explanation. However those numbers for daylight, flash etc. is just a question of what light conditions you shot in and then can correct them.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 05:41:02 PM
Noticed that raw2dng writes the fps, so now it is automatically detected and added in EFC.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: IliasG on June 04, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
Quote
    Daylight: -r 2.1426, 1, 1.5488, 0
    Shade: -r 2.4619, 1, 1.3193, 0
    Cloudy: -r 2.3066, 1, 1.4258, 0
    Tungsten: -r 1.5264, 1, 2.3428, 0
    WhiteFluorescent: -r 1.9072, 1, 2.1973, 0
    Flash: -r 2.3701, 1, 1.4141, 0

tin2tin, I think (not checked yet) that the last multiplier should be 1 instead of 0 or else you clip one of the two green channels ..
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 04, 2013, 10:07:41 PM
Had a quick look, but couldn't see any difference between 0 and 1 in the last number.  ???
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: 3pointedit on June 05, 2013, 05:10:13 AM
This is certainly excellent work. Great workflow. Is there any chance that the app can be created as a portable app? For mobile use at other PCs (no admin rights at my client terminal) :(
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 05, 2013, 06:46:50 AM
If the folder called Eyeframa Data is placed in the correct path the main Eyeframe Converter folder can be placed where you like. That doesn't make it fully portable,  but I guess you could call it moveable.

Maybe if you set the path of the data folder in the ini file you can move them where you want. The important thing is that the Eyeframe data folder must be located in a place with writing permissions for editing and saving new presets.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 07, 2013, 05:19:07 PM
Uploaded an improved version(same version number) with a bit faster RAW import thanks to A1ex: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5404.msg47583#msg47583

The included default dcraw 16 bit setting seems to get rid of the pink cast on the RAW video shot on a 60D.
Title: Re: EyeFrame Converter: Transcode ML RAW to dng, tiff and Prores, DNxHD and more...
Post by: tin2tin on June 08, 2013, 09:43:57 AM
EyeFrame 1.8.0 is out with more RAW speed improvements.

Get it here:
eyeframe.tk (http://eyeframe.tk)
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on June 20, 2013, 10:41:28 AM
Reuploaded 1.8.0 with latest raw2dng, dpx img seq in & out.

Btw.if a wav file with the same name as img seq is located in the same folder as the tif seq,  it will be added automatically.
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: dirtcastle on June 23, 2013, 12:53:41 AM
Great tool!

That said, I'm a little confused by the settings. I want ProRes 4444. But when I select the "LW PRO ProRes 444 HQ - proxy" in the pulldown menu, I get dngs and tiffs.

What am I doing wrong? I'm not seeing the thumbnails in the Eyeframe window either.

I get an "Unable to import" error. Do I need to run the converter from within Lightworks? I have tried it standalone and while Ligthworks was running. Neither works.

I've gone through the intro video, but following those steps still yields the same result (dngs and tiffs, with an error, and no Prores).

Also, when I start up Lightworks, I get a "There are no media locations available for this project space. You will be unable to record or import any media". But when I go to the Manage Media Locations controls, the "Add Location" is grayed-out.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: dirtcastle on June 23, 2013, 06:02:58 AM
I was able to solve the "media locations" error by right-clicking the application icon and selecting "Run as administrator".

But still no luck with the conversion.
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on June 23, 2013, 06:22:36 AM
EFC doesn't need Lightworks installed.
It sounds like ffmbc is not running correctly. Can you import and convert other video formats? When did you download Efc? (Did a fix two days ago) .
After an unsuccesful import open the menu view log and copy paste the contents here.

Efc does the raw to dng to tiff conversion on import. Ffmbc cant open raw or dng. The conversion to a video format is done after the click of the convert button.

A HOW TO:
- Drag and drop RAW files into the gui.
- The conversion to dng and tiff will start automatically.
- Preview by double left click thumbnail.
- Hit convert.
- Select the video format (+ proxies if needed).
- Okay and the batch conversion will start.

Btw. Time code and reel name can be edited by right click in coloum. The dcraw settings can be found and edited in "Documents/EyeFrame Data/dcraw.ini"
(No merge of spanned files yet)
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: dirtcastle on June 23, 2013, 07:19:04 AM
Thanks for helping me out!

I am able to convert other types of media (e.g., .wmv)

I downloaded the latest version of EFC from http://eyeframeconverter.wordpress.com/download/ to make sure it's current.

But I get the same result with RAW files: no thumbnail/details when I drag it, it asks me where to send the output; and then it does dng/tiff conversion. At the end of the conversion process it asks me for a frame rate, and gives me an "unable to import" error for one tiff (see below).

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3029/djy3.jpg)

On a side note, I'm wondering if this last error could be one of those "000" bugs (where deleting the "000" item and having "001" be the first in the sequence fixes the problem).

Thanks again. :-)


Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on June 23, 2013, 07:30:22 AM
There is no merge of spanned files yet.

Could you post menu: view > log?
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: dirtcastle on June 23, 2013, 07:55:41 AM
Quote from: tin2tin on June 23, 2013, 07:30:22 AM
There is no merge of spanned files yet.

Could you post menu: view > log?
Here's a link to the log file.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5V2XkbCHxYnenBUQzlRZVRJV2M/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5V2XkbCHxYnenBUQzlRZVRJV2M/edit?usp=sharing)

I can run it again and generate another log file, if that's helpful.
Title: Re: Transcode RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc. with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tin2tin on June 23, 2013, 09:27:22 AM
Your source file name is somehow converted into image sequence string naming:

Your log:
Moving: \\psf\Home\Desktop\M0000004\M0000004_000567.tiff to \\psf\Home\Desktop\M0000004\M0000004_tiff: 0

FFmbc version 0.7-rc7
Copyright (c) 2008-2012 Baptiste Coudurier and the FFmpeg developers
\\psf\Home\Desktop\M%06d4\M%06d4_tiff\M%06d4_%06d.tiff: No such file or directory

My Log:
Moving: C:\Users\user\Desktop\RawFiles\Out\M03-1651\M03-1651_000018.tiff to C:\Users\user\Desktop\RawFiles\Out\M03-1651\M03-1651_tiff: 0

FFmbc version 0.7-rc7
Copyright (c) 2008-2012 Baptiste Coudurier and the FFmpeg developers
Input #0, image2, from 'C:\Users\user\Desktop\RawFiles\Out\M03-1651\M03-1651_tiff\M03-1651_%06d.tiff':

Try to rename your raw file to something without all the numbers(will look into the string parsing later).
Title: Re: [EyeFrame Converter] Transcode: RAW > dng & tiff > Prores, DNxHD etc.
Post by: tin2tin on June 23, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
I think I've solved that string parsing error. So try to re-download EFC now and check if it works for you. It's still called 1.8.0.
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on June 23, 2013, 04:47:20 PM
I've tried to add the +4gb file merge function, but I don't have any files to test with.

To test install the EFC setup.
Download this patch: http://download.videohelp.com/tin2tin/EyeFrame.exe
And replace it with the existing in the Programs(x86)/EyeFrame Converter folder.
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on June 24, 2013, 10:54:28 AM
Never mind the patch above. Now I've uploaded a new EFC 1.8.0 with merging of spanned files.
So get from the link at my signature.

Have fun,
Tin2tin
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: mhimhi on July 02, 2013, 02:54:08 PM
Hi! Thanks for this, but can i transcode only raw to dng? Because i can transcode only dng+ tiff, but i don't need tiff...thanks!
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on July 02, 2013, 02:56:30 PM
If you only need dng then drag and drop your raw files on to raw2dng.exe found here at the forum.
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: mhimhi on July 02, 2013, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: tin2tin on July 02, 2013, 02:56:30 PM
If you only need dng then drag and drop your raw files on to raw2dng.exe found here at the forum.


Yes, but in this way i must create a bunch of of new folders, than put every single raw files onto every single folder, than, copy in every folder raw2dng than drop every single raw  files  on everey single raw2dng...than search every raw files and delete them.. This software, do all those stuff by itself... but with tiff included.. :P
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on July 02, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
The main purpose of the RAW import in EFC is to output as video and in order to do this the conversion to tiff is a necessary step. Ffmbc which does the conversion can't import dng.
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: mhimhi on July 02, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: tin2tin on July 02, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
The main purpose of the RAW import in EFC is to output as video and in order to do this the conversion to tiff is a necessary step. Ffmbc which does the conversion can't import dng.


I got it! Thank u!!
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: Francis Frenkel on July 29, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Ok > but is there a way to modify the program just to create the files with source name (as it does now) but just stop there and not create the TIFFs wich I dont need cause I use Resolve turnaround with Sony Vegas Pro 12.

Second questions :
1) When I use EFC, the TIFFs are bad quality (blurry, and to bright compare to the TIFF I can automtically create in ACR)
2) There is always 3 or 4 TIFF images in the DNG folder that I have to put manually in there file...

Francis



Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on July 29, 2013, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: Francis Frenkel on July 29, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Ok > but is there a way to modify the program just to create the files with source name (as it does now) but just stop there and not create the TIFFs wich I dont need cause I use Resolve turnaround with Sony Vegas Pro 12.
Quote from: tin2tin on July 02, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
The main purpose of the RAW import in EFC is to output as video and in order to do this the conversion to tiff is a necessary step. Ffmbc which does the conversion can't import dng.
Quote from: Francis Frenkel on July 29, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Second questions :
1) When I use EFC, the TIFFs are bad quality (blurry, and to bright compare to the TIFF I can automtically create in ACR)
On changing the dcraw settings: http://eyeframeconverter.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/eyeframe-converter-1-7-9-with-improved-magic-lantern-raw-import-is-out/
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: Francis Frenkel on July 29, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
I got the 1.8.0 update and in the DCRAW.ini file :


--------------------------------------------------------------------
[commandline]
$rawset="-v -w -T -H 2 +M"
16 bit:
$rawset1="-v -T -4 -b 3.9 -S 11597 -r 2.1426 1 1.5488 0"
More values here:
http://lizquilty.com/2012/07/09/new-camera-canon-eos-650d-aka-kiss-x6i-linux-and-pink-ufraw-fun/

$rawset1="-v -4 -r 1.976563 1 1.6252 1 -H 2 -T -b 7.5 -s 2048"
$rawset1="-v -w -T -H 2"  -S 13584
$rawset1="-v -4 -T -i -w -H 2"
$rawset1="-v -f -H 1 -t 0 -o 0 -4 -T -b 3.9 -S 16597 +M -i"
$rawset1="-v -T -4 -b 3.9 -S 11597 -r 2.1426 1 1.5488 0"
$rawset2="-b 1.0 -o 1 -H 9 -4 -g 2.2 20.0 -T -v"

--------------------------------------------------------------------
2 questions :

a) What do I have to change or modify, to stop the TIFF creation and keep only the creation of the directory with file source name and the DNG's (and by what code ?) ?

b) why do I always have 5 or 6 Tiff images in the Dngs directory, and too bright tiffs ?

Francis
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: gtsofilms on August 26, 2013, 04:41:30 AM
Anyone still using this tool? Just wondering I stumbled on it recently and it seems like a great one, but for some reason I can't get it to import any dngs. I'm running it on a mac via VMWare Fusion. Any help would be very appreciated!!

This is the error I'm getting:


"C:\Program Files (x86)\EyeFrame Converter\ffmbc.exe" -r 25 -i "\\vmware-host\Shared Folders\WD 1TB\ML RAW\DNG\M22-1451_C0000\M22-1451_C0000_%05d.dng" -vframes 1 -vf format=bgr24,scale='min(96,54*dar*sar):ow/dar/sar',pad='96:54:(96-iw)/2:(54-ih)/2:white' -threads 0 -y "C:\Users\Public\Documents\Eyeframe Data\Thumbs\M22-1451_C0000_00001.bmp"FFmbc version 0.7-rc7
Copyright (c) 2008-2012 Baptiste Coudurier and the FFmpeg developers
\\vmware-host\Shared Folders\WD 1TB\ML RAW\DNG\M22-1451_C0000\M22-1451_C0000_%05d.dng: No such file or directory

"C:\Program Files (x86)\EyeFrame Converter\ffmbc.exe" -i "\\vmware-host\Shared Folders\WD 1TB\ML RAW\DNG\M22-1501_C0000\.DS_Store" -vframes 1 -vf format=bgr24,scale='min(96,54*dar*sar):ow/dar/sar',pad='96:54:(96-iw)/2:(54-ih)/2:white' -threads 0 -y "C:\Users\Public\Documents\Eyeframe Data\Thumbs\.bmp"FFmbc version 0.7-rc7
Copyright (c) 2008-2012 Baptiste Coudurier and the FFmpeg developers
\\vmware-host\Shared Folders\WD 1TB\ML RAW\DNG\M22-1501_C0000\.DS_Store: Invalid data found when processing input
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: deleted.account on August 26, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
Never used it but you could try removing spaces from your folder and file paths, maybe use an underscore instead to signify a space. Spaces in paths can trip up apps working on the CLI.
Title: Re: Lightworks(free): Easy import, proxy editing and upload with EyeFrame Converter
Post by: tonybeccar on August 27, 2013, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: bart on October 09, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
Hi,

The MIR-24N(H) is in my opinion the best of the cheap 35/2 primes available. Got mine for 75eur and stopped me from searching further. Ok sharp right open and very nice bokeh. Not those harsh rings as with takumar 35/2 or vivitar 35 1.9. It knocks out strong lines in the background easily. I tried on a bookcase and It looks just great.
Many sample picture done with mir-24 are grainy photo scans and not very representative. I tried hard to find the photo that sold me but can't find it. I found this though. Made with both takumar s.m.c. 50 1.4 and mir 35/2 (someone else that appreciates this nice combo)

other samples.
http://forum.mflenses.com/arsenal-mc-mir-24-n-2-35-nikon-f-t38128,highlight,+mir++24.html
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/78029-melbournian-wide-open-bokeh-comparison.html

WOW man!!! AWESOME!! Sent you a vimeo message :) User "Juan Beccaglia". Please share your experience!!!! 7D right??

Cheers!!!
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on August 28, 2013, 11:03:34 PM
Try redownloading efc. I believe Ive fixed that.
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: gtsofilms on August 29, 2013, 04:55:08 PM
Hmm, thanks for the suggestion but it seems like it still won't import the dng files.  I've tried importing just one dng file with a simple name and I still get the same error. 

I just tested it with a .RAW file and it was able to create tiffs dng and proxy file.  Is efc unable to import dngs created by another program?
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on August 30, 2013, 11:51:52 PM
Oh sorry, I didn't read your first post carefully enough. EFC is a gui for ffmbc and ffmbc can't open dng files, therefore dng must be converted first to tiff files in order to open then in EFC(like when importing RAW files).

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ffmbc-dev/DFQN9xrtFds
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on October 21, 2013, 11:20:37 PM
Updated to use the latest RAW2DNG, the version number is still 1.80.
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: 5Djp on January 06, 2014, 05:29:49 AM
Hey all.   raw2dng.exe is giving me some 0 kb dropped frames,.. so i started using Eyeframe Converter and it seems to convert all fine.  But pardon my ignorance,.. its still dng files? and a subfolder of tiffs?  (I was trying to convert to the ProRes444 from Magic Lantern raw file)
thanks
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: painya on January 10, 2014, 05:19:33 AM
Any news when MLV will be supported?
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: tin2tin on January 11, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
If you write up/extract from the forum the workflow of converting MLV to video with the various command line tools and upload some MLV files I may consider adding  MLV conversion to EyeFrame.

I have a 60D and I haven't looked into installing MLV modules yet and therefore not looked into the conversion of them, so if you show me the way, I may follow. ;-)
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: painya on January 11, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Tell me what needs to be done and I will do it. Plus this will make your converter even more popular! I will be able to give you some mlv files as well.
[email protected]
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: feureau on January 20, 2014, 10:45:25 PM
Hi, tin2tin

Here's an MLV you can use: http://www.mediafire.com/download/p0if0s72a3y8iyk/M21-0410.MLV

And here's the thread where you can find how to extract the .mlv file: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7122.0

Thanks for all the hard work! \o/ Appreciated
Title: Re: RAW to dng & tiff to Prores, DNxHD, Mjpeg, h264... [EyeFrame Converter]
Post by: iaremrsir on February 01, 2014, 09:20:55 AM
According to the website, Eyeframe is no longer available :(

QuoteThe release of Lightworks 11.5(w. ffmpeg) concludes the development and availability of the Lwks dedicated EyeFrame Converter. It has been a very time consuming task to help people out with their Lwks related troubles, but in the end of the day the Lwks customers are better off with dealing directly with the Lwks staff, when they run into problems with the Lwks product.

The in/out problems of Lwks, unsupported codecs and missing proxy and time-code options are some of the reasons for the EFC growing to become the most popular thread in the Lwks forums, so I hope the Lwks staff will be up for the task.

I wish them good luck.