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Title: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on July 21, 2020, 08:40:19 PM
This is the first test video with my new old Canon EOS 5D Mark III. I am blown away by Danne's video modes, especially this 5.7K anamorphic mode which uses the full sensor width (big thank you, Danne!). This makes the footage look very cinematic!

With this mode I got 1920x2332(*) (unsqueezed to 5760x2332) @ 23.976fps and 12bit lossless. And the best: continuous recording!!! This is possible because of the latest SD overclocking and card spanning features (thanks to everyone involved!). So the CF card writes about 70MB/s and the SD about 50MB/s at the same time.

MLVApp is able to merge the two files (MLV+M00) from the two cards. The entire video was processed and color corrected to ProRes4444 with MLVApp only, at original resolution (unsqueezed). There was no sharpening applied. The final cut was upscaled to 8K for youtube using ffmpeg with lanzcos resizer.

Gear used:
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8 II USM
K&F Variable ND8-ND128
Audio-Technica Pro-24 (modded)
Glidecam HD-2000
Lexar 1066x 32GB
SanDisk Extreme Pro 128GB 170MB/s

(*) the mode is updated to 1920x2340 now (5760x2340)

Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Danne on July 21, 2020, 09:30:32 PM
Absolutely majestic. Colors, resolution, camera work, music. The best. Thanks for sharing. 5d3=true cinematic power.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Luther on July 21, 2020, 10:39:02 PM
Very good @masc! Stabilization is good and the music is nice. Some scenes are a bit overexposed and I think a little of sharpness on mlvapp would make some details pop out more, but other than that it's flawless.
Just a question: why did you upscale to 8K?
Man, I need to get a 5d3 too.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on July 21, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
Thank you!
Some scenes are a bit overexposed ...
Just a question: why did you upscale to 8K?
Really? Which scenes do you mean?
I upscaled, because 5.7K is in between 4K and 8K. 4K means downscaling, so I decided to upscale to 8K, to present the maximum possible quality. But in the end I am not sure if I ever do the same upscaling again... :D
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: allemyr on July 21, 2020, 11:12:25 PM
Fantastic quality! Awesome work both of you! Really cool that you got card spanning working!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: ammocave on July 22, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
Very good @masc! Stabilization is good and the music is nice. Some scenes are a bit overexposed and I think a little of sharpness on mlvapp would make some details pop out more, but other than that it's flawless.
Just a question: why did you upscale to 8K?
Man, I need to get a 5d3 too.
I completely agree
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Levas on July 22, 2020, 11:56:23 AM
The entire video was processed and color corrected to ProRes4444 with MLVApp only

I'm wondering, do you do anything specific in MLVapp to prevent jagged edges due to horizontal stretching ?
I tried these anamorphic modes a few times, but I prefer the look of high resolution 1:1 pixel readout modes.
While testing anamorphic mode, I tend to end up with a soft(not detailed/sharp) video.
It looks very good scaled down to 1080p, but when viewed at 100% I see jagged edges in tree branches and such.
Maybe I'm missing some settings in MLVapp  ???
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: wib on July 22, 2020, 11:58:37 AM
The glide cam adds a lot of cinematic feel, and the organic look of the stretching is interesting actually.

I'm wondering, do you do anything specific in MLVapp to prevent jagged edges due to horizontal stretching ?
I tried these anamorphic modes a few times, but I prefer the look of high resolution 1:1 pixel readout modes.
While testing anamorphic mode, I tend to end up with a soft(not detailed/sharp) video.
It looks very good scaled down to 1080p, but when viewed at 100% I see jagged edges in tree branches and such.
Maybe I'm missing some settings in MLVapp  ???

I'm like you, to me the overall image sharpness (in french we say " le piqué") looks better in 1:1, bu I guess you maybe have to get used to the anamorphic stretch look. And that's a very good question ! but he said he doesn't add any sharpness. Interested to see too.

Have you tried with davinci ?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on July 22, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
The Anamorphic 5,7k mode is about overall video quality and not about pixel peeping at 100% magnification.  Masc's works is the perfect demonstration for that.

Yes, high-resolution 1:1 pixel readout modes provide a slightly better quality - no jagged edges, but look at Masc's video.  Do you see a soft and not detailed image or jagged edges when watching it full screen?  It looks perfect on my 30-inch monitor here.

When I film in 5k anamorphic using a sharp lens and then downscale the video to 4k (3840x2160) it looks absolutely gorgeous full screen even watched at a very close distance, (50 cm) from the screen.  I wouldn't want to lose the full frame vision because of jagged edges at 100% magnification. 

@Wib:
For ultimate quality results, using a really sharp lens, perfect focusing and enough depth of field is critical.  Please consider this and reshoot your arc footage again.  You will be surprised how much quality improvement you will get.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Levas on July 22, 2020, 01:07:01 PM
I'm most interested in how Masc used these anamorphic files in MLVapp, which settings did he apply.
No doubt the footage looks great, heck, I can't even find any jagged edges, so that's why I'm wondering, I'm I doing something wrong in post process  :P

Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Levas on July 22, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
The entire video was processed and color corrected to ProRes4444 with MLVApp only, at original resolution. There was no sharpening applied. The final cut was upscaled to 8K for youtube using ffmpeg with lanzcos resizer.

How do I read this, "at original resolution", is that in 1920x2332 resolution and is the 3x unscqueeze done in ffmpeg ?
Or did he output 5760x2332 with MLVapp and only upscale with ffmpeg ?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on July 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
I'm wondering, do you do anything specific in MLVapp to prevent jagged edges due to horizontal stretching ?

The glide cam adds a lot of cinematic feel, and the organic look of the stretching is interesting actually.

I'm like you, to me the overall image sharpness (in french we say " le piqué") looks better in 1:1, bu I guess you maybe have to get used to the anamorphic stretch look. And that's a very good question ! but he said he doesn't add any sharpness. Interested to see too.

Have you tried with davinci ?
MLVApp uses AVIR resizer, which should be the best algorithm for stretching out there. Most application just use bicubic algorithm, which looks not so good for this job. If you add sharpness before resizing, you'll get the jagged edges - so just don't sharpen, or do it after resizing. My MLVApp receipt is nothing special - mostly just exposure and WB correction, Dark/Light adjustment, CA removal and a soft vignette. In some clips I used the RBF chroma denoise at 50 to get more or less the same noise amount like in ACR.

How do I read this, "at original resolution", is that in 1920x2332 resolution and is the 3x unscqueeze done in ffmpeg ?
Or did he output 5760x2332 with MLVapp and only upscale with ffmpeg ?
I unsqueezed in MLVApp, cut in 5760x2332 and upscaled the final to 8K in ffmpeg.

Thank you for your nice comments and questions.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Bender@arsch on July 22, 2020, 01:22:20 PM
I already tested the Anamorphic mode compared with 1x1 mode a month ago.

I use a sharp lens, same focus and spot, high detailed shoot, same sharpening in post. Comparism with 5,4K Anamorphic and 3,5K 1x1 (with a text write failure in the Titel). You can see it easily on the crop factor, first 3.5, second 5.4K Anamorphic and again.


I get a headpain if I see the Anamorphic mode, compared with the 1x1 mode, especially if I try to read the text on the vehicle.
For me the Anamorphic mode is only a big deal with a wide open shoot (not so much detailes) in comparism with 1x1 modes. Or with less sharpening like masc ;)
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Danne on July 22, 2020, 01:31:03 PM
No doubt the footage looks great, heck, I can't even find any jagged edges, so that's why I'm wondering, I'm I doing something wrong in post process  :P
There re no edges in 1x3 modes. Same with eosm and 6d(or maybe an issue with 6d?).
Did you try a 1x3 recorded file exported to dng from mlv app? Just open it up in acr and you'll see.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on July 22, 2020, 02:34:05 PM
I use a sharp lens, same focus and spot, high detailed shoot, same sharpening in post.
At what stage did you sharpen? Before or after stretching? If before I can tell you where the jegged edges are coming from. :)
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Bender@arsch on July 22, 2020, 02:43:59 PM
@masc
cDNG export from MLVapp and using ACR for sharpening with After Effects. -> so it is after ;)  or not?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on July 22, 2020, 03:05:14 PM
@masc
cDNG export from MLVapp and using ACR for sharpening with After Effects. -> so it is after ;)  or not?
Hm... interesting question. I think only Adobe could answer this question. You could try to export unsharpend and apply sharpening e.g. on the final in your NLE. If this makes a difference, then ACR sharpens before stretching.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Bender@arsch on July 22, 2020, 03:22:36 PM
Hm.. I think I give it a second chance and try it out with sharpening after the first export. Maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Levas on July 22, 2020, 03:51:33 PM
Doing some testing with 1x3 mode.
And when I look at the files, at 100%, I get this sort of colored/jagged edges artifact on high contrast parts like branches against white sky.
Notice the red/purple/green color artifacts in this image.
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F50140581561_3e308f2153_o.png&hash=8fffef0a7c7210f835a48404f3f54511)

As far as I know, the settings for the crop preset are right for 6d.
Code: [Select]
            case CROP_PRESET_1_3_pixel_readout_crop_presets_6d:
            adtg_new[18] = (struct adtg_new) {6, 0x8000, 6};
            adtg_new[19] = (struct adtg_new) {6, 0x800C, 0};
            adtg_new[20] = (struct adtg_new) {6, 0x8183, 0x35};
            adtg_new[21] = (struct adtg_new) {6, 0x8184, 0x3b};
        break;

So 8000 register set to 6, to get pixelbinning, 800c set to 0, so no lineskipping and 8183 and 8184 set to pixelbinning(default settings in 1x zoom)


Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Danne on July 22, 2020, 04:14:26 PM
Maybe expected peeping veeery hard ;). I guess it looks way better on 5D3.
On eosm I get this, now the same scenario but even so. Looks ok to me:
https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16516.msg229252;topicseen#msg229252
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Levas on July 22, 2020, 04:24:49 PM
Problem with using ML raw for a long time, you get used to very detailed/crisp video.
And with the high resolution crop modes in 1:1 read out, there is a very high standard in video quality you get used to over the years  ;D

Probably biggest problem for me is that I'm looking at 1x3 mode footage (while knowing how detailed 1:1 high resolution raw can look).
Now if I compare 1x3 mode to 4k video from my smartphone, the 1x3 doesn't look too bad  :P
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Danne on July 22, 2020, 05:09:42 PM
The more I get used to anamorphic, the more I dislike 1x1 and it´s "too" crisp feel. Also the lack of shallow depth is a problem. I like to mix around though with different presets though. They all suit me in some way.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: ZEEK on July 22, 2020, 05:35:05 PM
Great Video, really like the look here! 👌
And who said DSLR's were dead?...
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: wib on July 22, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
@Wib:
For ultimate quality results, using a really sharp lens, perfect focusing and enough depth of field is critical.  Please consider this and reshoot your arc footage again.  You will be surprised how much quality improvement you will get.

If you want to see, I uploaded a video, as I kept the MLV. So I exported the DNG from Davinci, this time in 5K and without sharpning in the raw processing. Also I exported a mov directly from MLVAPP, as @Masc said the desqueezing is better processed, I try to apply more or less the same lut and setting to make it look like what I get in Davinci. So the bright shot is the one direct from MLVAPP

(youtube is processing the video... 1080p and 5k or 4k will arrive soon)

Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Dmitriy84759 on August 01, 2020, 07:21:54 AM
I already tested the Anamorphic mode compared with 1x1 mode a month ago.
I use a sharp lens, same focus and spot, high detailed shoot, same sharpening in post. Comparism with 5,4K Anamorphic and 3,5K 1x1 (with a text write failure in the Titel). You can see it easily on the crop factor, first 3.5, second 5.4K Anamorphic and again.
great quality! what is sharp lens did you use there?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Bender@arsch on August 01, 2020, 09:55:07 AM
Quote
great quality! what is sharp lens did you use there?

Meike 85mm EF 1:1.8

It's a really cheap lens, realy sharp, but have some trouble: According to the manufacturer, not waterproof, and I don't know why, If I change between AF and MF the aperture closed a bit every time if I changed. I need to set to f1.8 and back to what I want. There is a USB-c port for software update, but no newer software out there.
P. S.: I paid 110€ on ebay (new lens).

Here is a shortend MLV with both modes.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=10NFMzwrEBFv9A2hTO_jEwk8LH0kq29hz
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on August 02, 2020, 10:53:21 AM
This is the first test video with my new old Canon EOS 5D Mark III. I am blown away by Danne's video modes, especially this 5.7K anamorphic mode which uses the full sensor width (big thank you, Danne!). This makes the footage look very cinematic!

This is purely insane and it's NUTS! Nice hand held stuff and the colors along w the DR is priceless. Absolutely cinematic and breathtaking! :)

I only wish the fire scene at the end was shot in Dual-ISO... Would have been marvelously awesome nonetheless thanks for sharing as always @masc!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: 12georgiadis on August 10, 2020, 04:01:35 PM
With this mode, do you have a normal liveview while shooting ?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on August 10, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
While setting the shot up you'll have "Framing" and while recording you'll have "GreyScale".
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: 12georgiadis on August 11, 2020, 03:01:25 AM
While setting the shot up you'll have "Framing" and while recording you'll have "GreyScale".
thanks!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: kaco on August 11, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
Amazing to see this.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: paulheran on August 13, 2020, 05:40:18 AM
@masc does MLV APP automatically recognize the (MLV+M00) clips? Do you need to organize them in a special way in your folder?

Also, newb question but what exactly does overclocking do and is it necessary for this 5.7k anamorphic mode?

Thank you for the help,

- Paul
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on August 13, 2020, 09:01:30 AM
@paulheran: Just copy both files into one folder. MLVApp recognizes card spanning automatically then.

SD slot needs to be overclocked for 5.7K mode, because otherwise it is by far too slow.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: beba on October 04, 2020, 10:59:53 AM
With this mode, do you have a normal liveview while shooting ?

LiveView moving really slowly!  :o
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: 70MM13 on October 04, 2020, 01:48:58 PM
@paulheran:  if you are on windows, you can use my script to read directly from your two cards into mlvapp.

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=25385.msg231554;topicseen#msg231554
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 04, 2020, 06:41:47 PM
LiveView moving really slowly!  :o
Yes it is. But better slow preview than no preview ;)
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: beba on October 05, 2020, 12:46:24 AM
I can't make everything work properly. Even the resolution does not change, this is the maximum. 170mb/s memory card

 
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 06, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
@beba: On movie page set the ratio to OFF, bitdepth to 12 or 14bit. And under RAW Video (Q) select framing preview instead of real-time. One single memory card can't handle it. You need a fast SD and a fast CF card.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 08, 2020, 09:35:26 PM
I now created a simple tutorial for the 5.7K preset on the 5D3, because so many people were asking. Enable subtitles please!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: dualmp on October 09, 2020, 03:09:44 AM
@masc. Thank you so much for the tutorial! Especially it contains the editing parts with some important tips!.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 09, 2020, 07:01:23 AM
Thanks for the tutorial, Masc.  I like the fact that you use minimum adjustments, so do I.  Could you please comment on which settings do you use for Profile preset and Processing gamuth and why?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 09, 2020, 08:30:06 AM
Could you please comment on which settings do you use for Profile preset and Processing gamuth and why?
I mostly use "Tonemapped" with "Reinhard" and "Rec.709". Reinhard looks very natural and does a very nice and smooth highlight rolloff, and lets some space for adjusting the whitelevel with the 2 light sliders. I always render Rec.709 footage, because it is my final grading step - I don't apply any other LUTs in NLE or somewhere else.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 09, 2020, 10:17:10 AM
Thanks Masc,

Have to try "Reinhard" too.

I use "Alexa Log-C" with "Alexa Wide Gamuth RGB" and then I make adjustments and grade in MLVApp.  I think, these setting preserve the most of color information and allow most headroom for corrections and grading even after export in PR4444 and subsequent corrections in Resolve.  Would you comment on these settings too?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 09, 2020, 11:42:18 AM
For those of you who wish to compare sharpening of anamorphic footage in MLVApp vs. sharpening in DaVinci Resolve, here is a test video:

https://we.tl/t-BFD1r17wqg

I filmed it on the 100D with the EF 35/F2 IS lens at the 1128x1900/24fps/12bitsLL anamorhic settings, performed a few basic adjustments in MLVApp, exported the clip with 0% and 100% sharpening in ProRes4444.  Then I did the editing in Resolve where I sharpened the 0% clip at 0,44 in the Color module.  In my opinion, both sharpening methods provide very similar results.  Slight differences are seen only along thin contrasty vertical lines where Resolve provides a minor improvement in terms of aliasing which is barely perceptible anyway.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 09, 2020, 11:59:02 AM
All the LOG profiles are okay, as long as you correct and grade 100% in MLVApp. When exporting without final color corrections you loose a big part of the bitdepth. This means... yes... you preserved highlights and shadows, but at the cost of midtones. Banding is the result.

Anamorphic footage must always be sharpened after rescaling. Otherwise you'll get stair effects. So you must keep the sharpening slider in MLVApp at 0 for anamorphic footage! If I need some sharpening, I apply it in the H.264 / H.265 final transcoding via FFMPEG before releasing the video.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Hari on October 09, 2020, 02:34:48 PM
Brilliant tutorial, it made setting up the camera for 5.7k easy, thanks masc!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: nikki on October 10, 2020, 12:57:14 PM
nice!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 10, 2020, 02:49:14 PM
Anamorphic footage must always be sharpened after rescaling. Otherwise you'll get stair effects. So you must keep the sharpening slider in MLVApp at 0 for anamorphic footage! If I need some sharpening, I apply it in the H.264 / H.265 final transcoding via FFMPEG before releasing the video.

You mean "final transcoding" in MLVApp or elsewhere?  Do I understand properly that once the anamorphic footage is opened in MLVApp, I should keep the Sharpen slider at 0 until I finish all corrections and grading in MLVApp?  And once I am ready with that, I apply sharpening (I set slider to say 80%) and only then I can start exporting in H.264 or H.265.  I just want to make sure that I do not misunderstand what you are saying.

Thanks, Masc.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 10, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
You mean "final transcoding" in MLVApp or elsewhere?
I mean final transcoding after NLE export. I get a ProRes4444 file out of my NLE and transcode this with ffmpeg to something I can upload or to something my TV can read. In this step it is possible to setup a tiny sharpening and it looks way better on anamorphic footage.

Do I understand properly that once the anamorphic footage is opened in MLVApp, I should keep the Sharpen slider at 0 until I finish all corrections and grading in MLVApp? 
For anamorphic footage don't use the sharpen slider at all - at no time. You'll get ugly artifacts. For 3x3 or 1x1 footage it is okay to use it.

If you want to sharpen anamorphic footage, do it after it was resized - so e.g. in the NLE (if you don't use CDNG) or after exporting from the NLE.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 10, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Masc.  You may want to take a look at the test video I linked in my post #43.  The first clip is PR4444 exported with the Sharpen slider at 0.  The second one is this same clip but sharpened in Resolve.  And the third one is the same clip but sharpened at 100% in MLVApp prior to PR4444 export.  I don't know what you mean by "stair effect" and where do you see it on the third clip.  Is this effect associated with some aliasing residues as a result of 1x3 readout?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 12, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
I mean this effect here, one of the cons of 1x3 footage:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fz5YyMH6%2Fstairs.jpg&hash=2987ad1cb961a0b935eb9dfa1aaad4a3) ([img]... doesn't work?! --> https://i.ibb.co/z5YyMH6/stairs.jpg)
1. original footage
2. 100% sharpen in MLVApp (it sharpens first and rescales afterwards)
3. 500% sharpen in PS after MLVApp export (first rescaling, then sharpening)
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 12, 2020, 03:26:27 PM
Thanks a lot, Masc, a very useful example!  Now I understand.  The reason I did not notice the effect was that I did not rescale in MLVApp but just exported the footage in its original size.  In my workflow, I always do it that way. I do all corrections and grading in MLVApp, export without rescaling and then mount, edit and rescale in Resolve.  From now on, I will export anamorphic footage with 0 sharpness from MLVApp and apply sharpening as a last step in Resolve.   These discussions help a lot and we all learn from them.  Thank you again.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on October 12, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
But why do you let Resolve rescale (unsqueeze) the footage? AVIR in MLVApp is by far better than bicubic in Resolve?!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: IDA_ML on October 12, 2020, 04:42:06 PM
I don't unsqueeze the footage in Resolve, I do it in MLVApp.  Let's say, I have filmed the footage in 1736x2928p resolution.  I import it in MLVApp, unsqueeze it, make all necessary corrections, sharpen and export it in ProRes as a 5208x2928p file.  I open this footage in Resolve, do the editing, mounting, etc. and then I downscale it to my final desired resolution - say 1920x1080.  That's all.  The reason why I export in ProRes 5208x2928p  is because I also use these files for storage - they are much lighter than the original MLVs, if I use the LT option and are also very easy to edit in Resolve.  I keep the MLVs only if the footage is very important to me.

Now I understand that it is better to skip the sharpening step in MLVApp and apply sharpening in Resolve. This does not complicate my workflow, on the contrary - export of unsharpened footage from MLVApp goes much faster than sharpened one.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: 12georgiadis on November 15, 2020, 04:29:40 PM
Hi all !
What are the other resolution possible in anamorphic ? Do we have a resolutions that have standard ratio like 1:85/1 or 1:78/1 ?
Can we have real time preview even if it is not continuous ? If yes, how much time it stays continuous ?
thanks
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on November 15, 2020, 04:41:49 PM
You can have: 2.5:1, 2.39:1, 2.35:1 and 16:9. At 10, 12 and 14bit lossless. All at 23.976fps. All with B/W preview. Mostly continuous (just 2.5:1 14bit isn't).
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: koopg on November 15, 2020, 08:18:54 PM
Bw: is there a chance that in my test this weekend I did actually had a color realtime preview @2.39 ?


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Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on November 15, 2020, 08:26:58 PM
Bw: is there a chance that in my test this weekend I did actually had a color realtime preview @2.39 ?
EOSM: maybe. 5D3: I don't think so - not in anamorphic mode.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: 12georgiadis on November 15, 2020, 10:54:02 PM
EOSM: maybe. 5D3: I don't think so - not in anamorphic mode.
And what are the conditions that allows real time preview in EOSm and not in 5DmkIII ?
Btw, amazing news for the other ratios !
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Danne on November 15, 2020, 11:22:37 PM
Start by following theBilalFakhouri massive work on understanding preview registry. His posts are scattered here and there but not too hard to find. Achieving real time preview with anamorphic modes for instance is not easy work. First find the correct combination of preview regs(around 30) and then tweak them together towards increased realtime preview.
If you have a 5DIII and a lot of spare time maybe hook up with "the wizard" and see if you could help him out.
My personal take. Buy the guy a 5DIII and if we´re lucky, he´ll find time to do the work for the 5DIII.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: 12georgiadis on November 16, 2020, 12:43:37 AM
Start by following theBilalFakhouri massive work on understanding preview registry. His posts are scattered here and there but not too hard to find. Achieving real time preview with anamorphic modes for instance is not easy work. First find the correct combination of preview regs(around 30) and then tweak them together towards increased realtime preview.
If you have a 5DIII and a lot of spare time maybe hook up with "the wizard" and see if you could help him out.
My personal take. Buy the guy a 5DIII and if we´re lucky, he´ll find time to do the work for the 5DIII.
Thanks Danne for the advices !
I'm gonna write to santa claus for theBilalFakhouri ;-)
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: ChristianEOS on November 17, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
I just wanted to let you know I've zoomed in with mlv app and I saw from my test there is a  difference in the display setting if I had slightly sharper on or a higher saturation as defined very high or contrast very high the original mlv turned out to bake in the settings that you see on the display.

 Maybe you should test that to confirm me I used the 5.7 k build.

Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on November 17, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
@ChristianEOS: sry, I don't get what you want to say. Please try using punctuation marks. But what MLVApp has to do with a 5.7K build, saturation, shaprness and your display?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: ChristianEOS on November 18, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
I would guess this mode is sharper than the 3.5k mode?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on November 18, 2020, 04:27:50 PM
What display settings do you change where and why it bakes in what and where? What are you talking about?
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: kidfob on April 17, 2021, 12:22:26 AM
I'm curious. Is this mode technically sharper than the 3.5k mode?

Thanks!
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: Danne on April 17, 2021, 08:14:58 AM
What display settings do you change where and why it bakes in what and where? What are you talking about?
Without users backing up statements with mlv samples they can state whatever.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: ML700D on April 24, 2021, 07:15:16 PM
This is the first test video with my new old Canon EOS 5D Mark III. I am blown away by Danne's video modes, especially this 5.7K anamorphic mode which uses the full sensor width (big thank you, Danne!). This makes the footage look very cinematic!

With this mode I got 1920x2332(*) (unsqueezed to 5760x2332) @ 23.976fps and 12bit lossless. And the best: continuous recording!!! This is possible because of the latest SD overclocking and card spanning features (thanks to everyone involved!). So the CF card writes about 70MB/s and the SD about 50MB/s at the same time.

MLVApp is able to merge the two files (MLV+M00) from the two cards. The entire video was processed and color corrected to ProRes4444 with MLVApp only, at original resolution (unsqueezed). There was no sharpening applied. The final cut was upscaled to 8K for youtube using ffmpeg with lanzcos resizer.

Gear used:
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8 II USM
K&F Variable ND8-ND128
Audio-Technica Pro-24 (modded)
Glidecam HD-2000
Lexar 1066x 32GB
SanDisk Extreme Pro 128GB 170MB/s

(*) the mode is updated to 1920x2340 now (5760x2340)


hi masc,
nice footage!
what is camera setting to shoot the fire?
sorry to ask, I'm noob  :P
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on April 24, 2021, 07:21:12 PM
hi masc,
nice footage!
what is camera setting to shoot the fire?
sorry to ask, I'm noob  :P
Thank you. That was f/2.8, 1/48sec and (if I remember right) ISO1600.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: ML700D on April 24, 2021, 08:01:42 PM
Thank you. That was f/2.8, 1/48sec and (if I remember right) ISO1600.

I see.. thanks.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: vastunghia on May 18, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
Ciao,

your video is beautiful, congrats! In fact, it is one of the things that led met to grab a 5D MIII -- got one (now on its way) for 300 bucks on eBay from a physical shop; they say they set the price tag so low because it has already some 400k shots... fingers crossed!

I already have a 70D and love its ML capabilities (in particular thanks to ArcziPL's latest efforts), but I want more...

So now -- getting to the point -- I'm planning to buy a fast CF card. I see that you are using a Lexar 1066x 32GB, achieving ~70MB/s write speed. That means your CF card is getting full after a ~8 minute recording time (assuming max write speed is really achieved: so maybe a little bit longer), is that correct? How do you cope with that? Is there a way to move MLV files from CF to SD from time to time, in order to make space available again on the CF? At the end of the day this would let you reach 20 / 30 minute recording time overall I think?

For shooting MLV on the 70D I currently use a SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s 128GB, that may be overclocked to 240 MHz achieving ~75MB/s (up from ~40MB/s without overclock). With 1832x1024 @23.971fps and 14-bit lossless, I have continuous shooting for a total of ~40 minute rec time. It would be a headache for me if I had to get used to a rec time as low as 8 minutes on the 5D.

Thank you!

Sergio
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: masc on May 18, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
Thank you.

Wow... 400k shots is a lot. I hope it will do the job for you for some time...

A fast CF card is important. I recommend Lexar and/or Komputerbay. Both work perfectly here. The write speed depends on the used preset and resolution. 5.7K runs in parallel on CF (~70MB/s) + SD (~50MB/s) = 120MB/s in total. So copying the data from CF to SD just works if you have a huge SD card. And this also needs some time. I have 2 CF cards. And if one is full I use the other. And while this, I copy the data from card one to my NEXTODI. After that I format the card and use it again. I can also use the NEXTODI as external drive for processing the footage on my computer. Currently I have 2TB in the NEXTODI. That will let me record longer then my batteries allow.

If you just wish to record 1080p, the SanDisk SD card alone in the cam is good enough.
Title: Re: 5.7K anamorphic 5D Mark III footage
Post by: vastunghia on May 18, 2021, 09:56:24 PM
Wow... 400k shots is a lot. I hope it will do the job for you for some time...

Yes it is. However I convinced myself when I looked at Oleg Kikin's Camera Shutter Life Database: from here https://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos5dmkiii.htm (https://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos5dmkiii.htm) you see that 400k is equivalent to a ~78% survival rate, which is not too bad. After all I have 70k shots on my 70D and apparently this is equivalent to a 62% survival rate (cfr https://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos70d.htm (https://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/canon_eos70d.htm)), that is even lower! So I told myself, 1. If I keep using 70D for photo and use 5D3 for video, I should be fine; and 2. even If I had to replace the shutter on the 5D3 I would spend 200/300 bucks more, and this would give me a total of 500/600 € for a 'brand new' 5D3... which is not bad, considering that I see used models (with smaller -- but not zero -- shutter counts) being sold for 800 €.

Anyway, back to the main topic.

[...] I have 2 CF cards. And if one is full I use the other. And while this, I copy the data from card one to my NEXTODI.

Ahhh I see, so this is what does the trick. I had to google for NEXTODI ;) but now I realize. So I guess I will stick to a new 64 GB CF card for now (found an Amazon Warehouse deal for a Lexar 1066x @60€, seems a fair price to me as its €/GB ratio is equal to the brand new 256GB version). Hope 64 GB + 128 GB will give take me to ~30 min rec time, though I will have to do some file transfer from CF to SD from time to time.

If you just wish to record 1080p, the SanDisk SD card alone in the cam is good enough.

Yup, well, if I wanted to record 1080p I could stick to my good old 70D. Parallel card write capability is what attracted me, to test higher resolution.

Thanks a lot!

Sergio