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Title: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 03, 2019, 12:12:17 PM
Hello all,

This is my first attempt to film low-light street portrait videography at night using the 5DMkIII with the amazing EF 85/F1,4 L IS lens.  The footage was recorded hand held in the pedestrian zone of Sofia called Vitoshka.  I used the October 13-th experimental build found here:

https://bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magic-lantern/downloads/

and filmed at 12-bit RAW with lossless compression in the anamorphic 1360x2296 mode which results in 4080x2296 final resolution.  Overall, very pleased by the video quality from the above setup:


Postprocessing workflow:
----------------------------

1) MLVApp: very basic adjustments - white balance, exposure, curves, saturation, sharpness, export in ProRes 422 LT,

2) DaVinci Resolve Lite: cutting, mounting and adding text and music, final export in MPEG using the Quicktime codec for lowest file size.

3) Upload to Vimeo in 1920x1080 resolution without upscaling - unfortunately, my internet connection is too slow for uploading larger resolution files.

Some feedback on your part will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: timbytheriver on November 03, 2019, 12:26:32 PM
@IDA_ML Really nice. Even under the street lights the skin tones look healthy. :)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Danne on November 03, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
And no aliasing or moiré. 5DIII is the true 4k cinema beast.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 03, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
@IDA_ML Really nice. Even under the street lights the skin tones look healthy. :)

Forgot to mention that I used the skin tone white balance option of MLVApp which does a fantastic job even in difficult light conditions.  Absolutely amazing job of our MLVApp developers!
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: timbytheriver on November 03, 2019, 01:12:28 PM
@IDA_ML Great stuff. What ISO did you shoot?
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 03, 2019, 02:11:53 PM
Timbytheriver,

ISO was between 1000 and 6400 but I always expose to the right.  Did not use any noise reduction or stabilization in post. 
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: garry23 on November 03, 2019, 02:37:34 PM
@IDA_ML

In general it’s only worth ETTRing below about ISO 1600 on a 5D3, unless you need to use higher ISOs to access faster shutter speeds.

Above ISO 1600, the 5D3 is effectively ISO invariant. Thus ETTRing at ISO 6400 is throwing away photons and DR.

Cheers

Garry
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: timbytheriver on November 03, 2019, 02:45:07 PM
re the ISO - Interesting charts here: http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 03, 2019, 05:27:46 PM
In general it’s only worth ETTRing below about ISO 1600 on a 5D3, unless you need to use higher ISOs to access faster shutter speeds. Above ISO 1600, the 5D3 is effectively ISO invariant. Thus ETTRing at ISO 6400 is throwing away photons and DR.

Garry,
You are certainly right, I may be losing some DR at high ISOs but it appears that I get somewhat cleaner shadows.  Could be "placebo" though, I am not argueing about that.
Title: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on November 03, 2019, 05:39:00 PM
I’ve been inspired once again. Love the simplicity you stood with as far as post production and yet it feels very authentic especially w the skin tones.

Even better that you shot entirely in handheld which is icing on the cake and as always thanks for sharing your talents @IDA_ML!
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ilia3101 on November 03, 2019, 07:17:42 PM
Wow! This is stunning.

However, I think you should have filmed this on the much more cinematik EOS M 😉🤪
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Danne on November 03, 2019, 07:39:36 PM
Wow! This is stunning.

However, I think you should have filmed this on the much more cinematik EOS M 😉🤪
Haha, true story ;)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 03, 2019, 09:38:05 PM
Thanks a lot for your kind words, DeafEyeJedi.  Greatly appreciated! 

I should also mention that the EF 85/1,4 L IS is the best Canon prime lens I have ever touched.  Razor sharp at F1,4, blazing fast and accurate AF, also in servo mode and the image stabilization is the best I have ever seen.  I take stills at 1/4 sec. shutter speed handheld with close to zero missed shots.  Lenses like this one, as well as the 35/F2 IS and 24/F2,8 IS alone are a good enough reason to continue ML development and support for old cameras such as the 5D3 which, thanks to A1ex's and Danne's systematic efforts, is an extremely powerful cinema camera now.   To say nothing about the EOS-M which, as I hear, is even more cinematic  ;)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: yourboylloyd on November 04, 2019, 02:34:51 AM
This was amazing! Keep posting! Sharp and bokeh. The EOS M is apparently more cinematik though

Some minor feedback, I wish you would have picked a less orange white balance.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ngemu on November 04, 2019, 06:37:23 AM
Love the image stabilization system on canon lens. Very impressive at 85mm.

From what I've seen and experienced, tamron and sigma are too jerky.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: RH42 on November 04, 2019, 05:37:02 PM
Hello all,

This is my first attempt to film low-light street portrait videography at night using the 5DMkIII with the amazing EF 85/F1,4 L IS lens.  The footage was recorded hand held in the pedestrian zone of Sofia called Vitoshka.  I used the October 13-th experimental build found here:

https://bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magic-lantern/downloads/

and filmed at 12-bit RAW with lossless compression in the anamorphic 1360x2296 mode which results in 4080x2296 final resolution.  Overall, very pleased by the video quality from the above setup:


Postprocessing workflow:
----------------------------

1) MLVApp: very basic adjustments - white balance, exposure, curves, saturation, sharpness, export in ProRes 422 LT,

2) DaVinci Resolve Lite: cutting, mounting and adding text and music, final export in MPEG using the Quicktime codec for lowest file size.

3) Upload to Vimeo in 1920x1080 resolution without upscaling - unfortunately, my internet connection is too slow for uploading larger resolution files.

Some feedback on your part will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Looks great! What shutter speed and frame rate did you use?
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 04, 2019, 10:34:16 PM
Looks great! What shutter speed and frame rate did you use?

1\50 s and 24 fps
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ilia3101 on November 04, 2019, 10:46:29 PM
Also looks like you didn't have highlight reconstruction enabled in MLV App, the highlights are pink. Did it ruin the colours? I am curious to see how this video looks if you enable it. (if you could just show a screenshot maybe? :) )
Title: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on November 05, 2019, 06:08:36 AM
...I am curious to see how this video looks if you enable it.

+1

Actually would you mind sharing a trimmed MLV from the scene where it shows the guitarist playing with the highlights behind him?

I’d love to have a play...  curious if you had the iris open wide or a bit closed slightly?
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: RH42 on November 05, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
1\50 s and 24 fps

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 05, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Also looks like you didn't have highlight reconstruction enabled in MLV App, the highlights are pink. Did it ruin the colours? I am curious to see how this video looks if you enable it. (if you could just show a screenshot maybe? :) )

Ilia3101,

I just did not bother to reconstruct the highlights, thanks for noticing that.  I have just tried reconstructing the highlights on that shot and yes, the pink cast disappears completely.  Here is a shortened MLV file from the guitar player shot with blown up highlights in the background for you and DeafEyeJedi to play around with:

https://we.tl/t-Dp3Q1fpatY

Please post your results here.  I also became curious.



Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ilia3101 on November 05, 2019, 07:23:41 PM
Thanks for the file. Very clean compared to what I'm used to. Making me closer to getting a 5D3...

And here's my edit:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FvVqPztg%2F5-D3-85-F14-LIS-1920-frame-4.jpg&hash=5f0999ae0386da2d9cdf9ce2a7a87bf3)

In fact I think the mark 3 must be one of the best low light video cameras... I just never see this kind of quality on the mark 2
Title: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on November 05, 2019, 10:04:31 PM
Please post your results here.  I also became curious.

Thanks for the file @IDA_ML. Can't believe how sharp it looks even when shot wide open @ 1.4!  :o

Graded w clarity (+9), vibrance (+4), Highlights (-70) w Highlight Reconstruction enabled and a basic curve to accommodate the LUT I applied (ML Cinelog-C to Ektar 100 TWISTED.cube @ 85%) on top.

All this while under HLG for Tonemapping Function & Rec.2020 for Processing Gamut w the gamma still set @ 3.15 and most importantly w Uncolorscience Fix enabled (one of my fav features).

Don't even know if this is all legit. Ha! :P

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FC8TC2LL%2FScreen-Shot-2019-11-05-at-1-37-20-PM.png&hash=36fd34c8a5bc57fe8e2867be3ded5f55)

Receipt & LUT from above included for references: https://mega.nz/#F!ewkgCaDS!8J3K4UkjGrdKtPSUoqI__w

Making me closer to getting a 5D3...

Just get it already @Ilia3101! Btw I dig your grade big time! :)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Dmytro_ua on November 05, 2019, 10:09:29 PM
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FzfxZbV8%2F5-D3-85-F14-LIS-1920-frame-1.jpg&hash=f0cab3e1c2007f73cef1d9c6d62120a9) (https://ibb.co/7yCKVtg)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 06, 2019, 11:03:09 AM
Glad to see that the good old 5D3 is creating so much inspiration, guys.  Thanks a lot for your feedback.

Ilia3101,

If you consider buying the 5D3, now is the time to do that.  Thanks to the mirrorless madness, prices of this fantastic camera have dropped dramatically.  In my country, serious photographers are so pleased with their 5D3-s that they use them until the shutter breaks - very often after 350'000 actuations, and then they just throw them away since repair is too expensive.  Then they look for another used 5D3.  If you can find one in a good condition and with a low shutter count, do not hesitate to buy it.  You will be very pleased with its performance and especially the unmatched video capabilities and quality with the latest experimental ML builds.  Also, it will provide excellent service to you for many years to come.  So, good luck to you and everyone else considering a 5D3 purchase.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Luther on November 06, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
More exaggerated version :P
This reminds me of the old rawtherapee forum color grading "competitions".

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fpictshare.net%2F3swgp4.jpg&hash=61eca85105be2e6623c57f2e80696ed7) (https://pictshare.net/3swgp4.jpg)

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By the way, LMMSE got some artifacts:
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fpictshare.net%2Fe9tk0g.jpg&hash=0cd411a16764457889530d6e608cda72) (https://pictshare.net/e9tk0g.jpg)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Bender@arsch on November 07, 2019, 07:43:12 PM
@Luther
Quote
This reminds me of the old rawtherapee forum color grading "competitions".


Challenge accepted;)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fpictshare.net%2F6l63ih.jpg&hash=8a8b93ca71f013244a0792393e9fda10) (https://pictshare.net/6l63ih.jpg)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Luther on November 07, 2019, 07:54:30 PM
Challenge accepted;)

We need someone to judge which one is better now :P
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Dmytro_ua on November 07, 2019, 09:09:41 PM
We need someone to judge which one is better now :P

This scene is not really good for judging the colors. It's actually very difficult to make it look natural as the light sources are mixed and some colors info is missed.

Sometimes I try to make the same color grading using 3 different programs: ACR, MLV App and Resolve (for practice only). Most of the times I get the fastest and the best results with ACR and than I can easily match it with other two programs.
But in this exact shot I cannot get the same result. Close enough but not the same.
Still ACR gives me better colors out of the box than other color grading programs.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Luther on November 07, 2019, 09:50:36 PM
This scene is not really good for judging the colors. It's actually very difficult to make it look natural as the light sources are mixed and some colors info is missed.
Well, IMO, not everything should look "natural" all the time. For example, the two man behind the musician have purple midtones in it. I prefer to bring those hues to cyan instead, because the combination of yellow and purple are not as pleasing as yellow and cyan...

If I was to judge:
- Your version, @Dmytro_ua, is the most natural posted until now. I would just lift the shadows a bit, to bring more details to his overcoat.
- My version was purposefully exaggerated in the teal/orange. Noise everywhere. Bad separation of midtones in his face. Too much saturation.
- @Bender@arsch version has muddy midtones. I would bring more exposure there and decrese exposure in deep shadows. Colors are good.
- @DeafEyeJedi has some issue with magenta/green. Skin tones look pale.
- @Ilia3101 has a overall green cast.

Of course, each person has it's opinion. This is art, after all.

off-topic: why most of you guys use "ibb.co" to host images? Can't enter the site without javascript, it's quite annoying :)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on November 08, 2019, 12:30:51 AM
Not to hijack this thread but @Dmytro_ua has my vote by far for first place. @Ilia3101 comes second. Third will probably go to @Luther but then I feel like due to his intentional exaggeration thus shouldn't qualify.  :P

So @Bender@arsch takes this last spot in despite not having enough exposure on his face and whatnot. Decent colors though.

But I admit that using LUT is not the most practical way and I was just trying to utilize the most out of MLV_App in ways like never before.  :D

Still trying to find that perfect workflow as far as how grading goes. That's what makes it worthwhile for this amazing app.  ;)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Dmytro_ua on November 08, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
Well, IMO, not everything should look "natural" all the time.

You're absolutely right. Maybe I wasn't quite clear.
By natural I didn't mean "neutral" (to correct everything by WB grey card).
I meant natural looking. When I look into the picture I don't want to see a green skin tone (if there were no obvious green light), pink color shift (as in the first post), oversaturated orange face or muddy shadows. All these are catching my eye not in a good way.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on November 08, 2019, 10:09:32 PM
off-topic: why most of you guys use "ibb.co" to host images? Can't enter the site without javascript, it's quite annoying :)

Funny you brough this up. For years I had been using Flickr (still do) and although I had noticed majority of the users on this forum were sharing images through ibb.co so decided to get the hang of that since that's what I assumed works best for y'all.

Correct me if I'm wrong though. Ha.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Luther on November 08, 2019, 11:14:14 PM
All these are catching my eye not in a good way.
I agree.
Funny you brough this up. For years I had been using Flickr (still do) and although I had noticed majority of the users on this forum were sharing images through ibb.co so decided to get the hang of that since that's what I assumed works best for y'all.

Correct me if I'm wrong though. Ha.
Well, not for me and a1ex:
https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=18003.msg216880#msg216880
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: carles.castillo on November 19, 2019, 10:42:33 AM
Hi, how have you converted the anamorphic 1360x2296 in 4080x2296 final resolution?
I have Magic Lantern in the Canon 5dMKIII and I want to film in 4k.

Thanks,
Carles
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 19, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
I use MLVApp and it does the conversion automatically.  Upon opening a file with it, it even shows the correct preview.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ilia3101 on November 19, 2019, 03:55:18 PM
Missed all this ::)

Well, not for me and a1ex:
https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=18003.msg216880#msg216880

I know IBB is not great, but I have simply been embedding the image. This way I assume there is no javascript being run, right?

If I was to judge:
- Your version, @Dmytro_ua, is the most natural posted until now. I would just lift the shadows a bit, to bring more details to his overcoat.
- My version was purposefully exaggerated in the teal/orange. Noise everywhere. Bad separation of midtones in his face. Too much saturation.
- @Bender@arsch version has muddy midtones. I would bring more exposure there and decrese exposure in deep shadows. Colors are good.
- @DeafEyeJedi has some issue with magenta/green. Skin tones look pale.
- @Ilia3101 has a overall green cast.

Is your's edited in Rawtheapee? The denoising look is not something I've seen before from mlv app.

And I mostly agree with your judging. Mine should be less green, but all of everyone else's is a bit too magenta. Who used what software? I notice mine preserved the chromatic abberation (green edges) of the bokeh more than the other edits, which I like.

DeafEyeJedi's looks that way because of using rec2020, the shape of the gamut is not greatly shaped for grading like it's rec709 (green is way out there), AdobeRGB and Alexa RGB look better in my opinion (this is why almost every type of grading workflow can get good results with Alexa footage).

Also I just remembered, MLV App tint adjustment is quite crap actually, it is not done in the LMS colour gamut with white balance, but right after, when the image is in the final gamut. I did it this way as it easily preserved old tint code. I thought this would not make much difference as tint adjustments are generally small, but seems like these days everyone is adjusting the tint a lot.

Glad to see that the good old 5D3 is creating so much inspiration, guys.  Thanks a lot for your feedback.

Ilia3101,

If you consider buying the 5D3, now is the time to do that.  Thanks to the mirrorless madness, prices of this fantastic camera have dropped dramatically.  In my country, serious photographers are so pleased with their 5D3-s that they use them until the shutter breaks - very often after 350'000 actuations, and then they just throw them away since repair is too expensive.  Then they look for another used 5D3.  If you can find one in a good condition and with a low shutter count, do not hesitate to buy it.  You will be very pleased with its performance and especially the unmatched video capabilities and quality with the latest experimental ML builds.  Also, it will provide excellent service to you for many years to come.  So, good luck to you and everyone else considering a 5D3 purchase.

Any of those photographers can throw their 5D away to me if they want :D I think I might buy one with a high shutter count as it's really cheap that way (high risk, high reward lol), and I don't really care what the outside condition is.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Stousen on November 19, 2019, 05:34:11 PM
Nice!! How is the liveview working while recording in anamorphic?
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: IDA_ML on November 19, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Nice!! How is the liveview working while recording in anamorphic?

Well, you get a low-framerate WySiWyG preview - not perfect but sufficient for correct framing even if you move the camera.   
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Luther on November 20, 2019, 06:08:08 AM
This way I assume there is no javascript being run, right?
Right. The issue is that most people just use their iframe, instead of the direct binary link, which requires javascript.
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Is your's edited in Rawtheapee? The denoising look is not something I've seen before from mlv app.
On MLVApp. Indeed, the noise is strange there.

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it is not done in the LMS colour gamut with white balance, but right after, when the image is in the final gamut.
Possible change for 2.0 release?
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Dmytro_ua on November 20, 2019, 12:44:43 PM
Is your's edited in Rawtheapee? The denoising look is not something I've seen before from mlv app.

Hi!
Mine was edited in ACR (Temp: 3600K, Tint: +9, Higlights: -52, Shadows +36, Satur -12)
But it can be easily graded close enough with MLV App. There are some minor differences which can be fixed in Davinci Resolve or any other color grading software (if needed).
Here are two samples (ACR vs MLV App):

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fxq9VJSs%2F85-ACR.jpg&hash=ada479cd27eca74d48d40c9374b8d1f7) (https://ibb.co/8gvF6DB)

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fj52vRxn%2F85-MLV-APP.jpg&hash=7173205ebc2f93557463f5fdb70a6b73) (https://ibb.co/W3wWtdm)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ilia3101 on November 20, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
Right. The issue is that most people just use their iframe, instead of the direct binary link, which requires javascript.
Ah ok, good to know.

edit:Possible change for 2.0 release?

Hopefully soon actually, it's not too big of a change.

@Dmytro_ua Thanks for the comparison. Looks like ACR handles that pizza sign so much better. This kind of stuff I really want to fix for 2.0, or possibly MLV App 2.

In your MLV App edit, I think if you enabled highlight reconstruction, reduced the Light strength slider closer to zero and pulled the highlights down a little more, the background might look smoother (less bright). What tonemapping did you use BTW?
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Dmytro_ua on November 20, 2019, 09:41:09 PM
Looks like ACR handles that pizza sign so much better.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant talking about "some minor differences".
Overall ACR has a look I like by default. To make the same with MLV App is a challenge for me. But I'm still trying, as I don't like the Adobe workflow at all.

What tonemapping did you use BTW?

This time I used Adobe RGB Gamut and Tonemapping is set to None (don't remember why   ;D )
(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FD10NH38%2Ftonemapping.jpg&hash=f8cea6177f2c6c575fd872a2127c6415) (https://imgbb.com/)

In your MLV App edit, I think if you enabled highlight reconstruction, reduced the Light strength slider closer to zero and pulled the highlights down a little more, the background might look smoother (less bright).

I tried it, but didn't like the result. The blown highlight becomes - yellow/greenish and not bright enough. Doesn't look right to my taste.
And smth weird is happening to the floor reflection.

(https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/proxy.php?request=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FngDnqHL%2Ftest2.jpg&hash=ac8ecb2e9d70c2806edd766dd18a6aae) (https://ibb.co/xCMfKp7)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: carles.castillo on November 26, 2019, 09:17:56 AM
Hi, I am using fullhd raw with my 5dmark iii  for underwater video and it is wonderful, but now I will have to film in UHD in my next 2 projects.
Due this, I don't know how to film in UHD with this camera I amb thinking in to sell it and to by the 5dmark iv.
Before to do it, is there any place where can I to read the exactly instructions of where is and how to install the MLVApp and step to step how can I film in UHD with my 5dmark III?
My camera is really new and I am VERY happy with it.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Walter Schulz on November 26, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
Before to do it, is there any place where can I to read the exactly instructions of where is and how to install the MLVApp
Forum overview -> Using Magic Lantern -> Raw Video -> Raw Video Postprocessing -> First sticky thread.

and step to step how can I film in UHD with my 5dmark III?

Top of page -> Downloads -> Downloads (Drop down menu) -> Experiments -> 4K raw video recording; lossless compression
Read chapter, esp. about continuous recording and - mandatory - linked forum discussion thread's first post.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: carles.castillo on December 14, 2019, 04:20:51 PM
Hi Walter, thanks for your info.
Best regards,
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: carles.castillo on December 16, 2019, 12:16:07 PM
Hi Walter, I have seen the ML APP (thanks), but for film in 4k/UHD 16:9, I have read the 8x pages of the forum that you have said me and I don't see where can I download the correct ML 5DMARKIII 1.2.3. version for film in UHD.
Please, can you send me the link?
I would be very thank you if possible.

Best regards,
Carles
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: ilia3101 on December 16, 2019, 12:29:54 PM
This time I used Adobe RGB Gamut and Tonemapping is set to None (don't remember why   ;D )

Ah well this is the main problem. Nothing in the world is better than the Reinhard function.
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on December 19, 2019, 07:33:30 AM
...Nothing in the world is better than the Reinhard function.

Amen. Especially w Reinhard 3/5.  8)
Title: Re: Low-light street videography with the 5DMkIII/4k anamorphic, 12-bit lossless RAW
Post by: Luther on December 21, 2019, 07:01:19 AM
I've used Reinhard 3/5 on my last work. Very pleased with the result, compared to Log-C. Should be the default tonemapping, together with AP1 as gamut. Gives the best results for me.