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Developing Magic Lantern => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Walter Schulz on July 04, 2018, 05:11:04 PM

Title: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 04, 2018, 05:11:04 PM
Having an itch because of placement of benchmarks (esp. Card benchmarks), file manager and shutter count in Debug tab.
What about
1) a UTIL tab and
2) hiding Debug tab by default? Most users don't care about Debug tab and with a reason.

Benchmarking a card in cam: Householding duty IMO (yes, I'm a sysadmin).
Filemanager: Necessary to play MLV ... why hide it in Debug?
Shutter count: Some people advise to install ML for the very reason. Lookup some forum posts elsewhere, I'm kidding you not!
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: Levas on July 04, 2018, 05:31:53 PM
Agree about the weird place of filemanager and other stuff in Debug tab.
An extra utility tab sounds right.
But be carefull with hiding the Debug tab...
That’s the place where sd_uhs overclock is  ;D
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: a1ex on July 05, 2018, 09:54:11 AM
We will need an icon (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/unified/icons/) for this new menu.

What else to put in it? (possibly moved from other menus)
- Benchmarks
- File manager
- Shutter count
- Screenshot?
- Temperature? (used by astro folks and not only)
- Lens info? (I've never used it other than for debugging purposes)
- Overclocking?
- Warnings for bad settings? (that should be mostly a set-and-forget item, maybe even baked in the defaults somehow)
- ... ?

Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: 50mm1200s on July 05, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
We will need an icon (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/unified/icons/) for this new menu.

What else to put in it? (possibly moved from other menus)
- Benchmarks
- File manager
- Shutter count
- Screenshot?
- Temperature? (used by astro folks and not only)
- Lens info? (I've never used it other than for debugging purposes)
- Overclocking?
- Warnings for bad settings? (that should be mostly a set-and-forget item, maybe even baked in the defaults somehow)
- ... ?

+1 for: File manager, Screenshot, Benchmarks and Overclocking.
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 05, 2018, 04:48:32 PM
Not to include:
Screenshot: All use cases I can imagine are connected to troubleshooting and tutorials. So: No, leave it in Debug.
Lens Info: Nah, as you said ...
Overclocking: No need for action right now. Bleeding edge experimental. Functionality resembles "Card warm-up", think it would better be placed there, too (if it ever makes it into unified).
Warnings: No reason to move it from prefs, IMO.

Temperature: Yes, forgot about astros ...

+ Item to hide/unhide Debug tab.

To discuss: Does it make sense to move debug options into Util tab item "Advanced/Debug" as in "Advanced settings" found elsewhere?
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: 50mm1200s on July 05, 2018, 04:51:51 PM
Thought about this paper clip icon (Resolution of 46x42px, 72dpi, png optimized with pngquant and ect):
(https://pictshare.net/2zbsj5psym.png)
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: Audionut on July 06, 2018, 02:30:46 PM
yamlmo

-1 for hiding debug.
I prefer it to be a little on the nerdy side and attract knowledgeable people and enthusiasts; after all, ML is a tool for power users.
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: Walter Schulz on January 03, 2019, 04:03:01 PM
And here we go again ...

We have some votes:
Audionut against hiding Debug by default.
Some votes for moving some menu items.

My pick:
- File manager
- Card benchmarks
- Temperature
- Shutter count
into Util

EDIT: Found an entry for 5D3 "Unmount SD-card". I think it should be placed here, too.

Is it possible to rename Debug into Utils (avoiding creating another tab/tab icon) and use an "Debug options ..." or "Advanced settings ..." menu item to make all debug entries visible?
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: nikfreak on January 03, 2019, 05:09:17 PM

Is it possible to rename Debug into Utils (avoiding creating another tab/tab icon) and use an "Debug options ..." or "Advanced settings ..." menu item to make all debug entries visible?

+1 for avoiding to add another tab. Name the existing one Utils / Tools and use a "Debug options ..." submenu. Maybe make a debug module which adds that "Debug options ..." submenu
Title: Re: Menu clean-up/redo: Debug screen, Benchmarks, Shutter Count, Filemanager ...
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on January 08, 2019, 09:26:58 AM
Agreed @nikfreak and GREAT call @Walter Schulz!