Honestly, I'm afraid to install. After seeing a sentence like this: And, remember that this software can damage or destroy your camera.
I have a 5D mark 2 and I have no money to buy another.
If you do not offer the least security, then they are fools who use the ML.
Sorry, but this is my opinion.
I would love to use, but after reading this, no more.
See you, then 8)
Honestly we won't and will never give you any security. We try our best but we are humans and we can still screw up...like Canon, by the way. The difference is Canon has the money and time to do extensive testing and replace broken equipment (do they?). We don't.
I don't understand why anyone would take the time to register on a forum and proceed to explain why no one else should bother? There are legal disclaimers and there is reality. The reality of evidence suggests that no harm will come to your camera, also I am pretty confident that you won't be struck by lightning. But it could happen.
I was concerned at the start too. I altered the firmware of my old Minolta, then my Canon P&S with CHDK. Magic Lantern is even easier to install than these, and the experience left me more confident than yourself.
It's funny how people will install software or even download stuff (with potential viruses) from the internet, onto their PC which could be much more detrimental and not even think twice about that...
Your loss ;)
On a more serious note, that part has to be stated as some members don't understand the consequences that such software might have (especially when new users do not follow the install guide). It's a matter of whether or not you're ready to take this small risk for such great features. To be honest, I was also unsure whether I should install it or not back when the first version compatible with the 60D was released. A year later, I bought the 5D2, and installing ML was the first thing I did when I received the camera :)
PS: Me and many other users use ML for professional, paid work such as weddings & events
you ever put a child seat into your car?
read whats printed on that stickers?
it says like
"warning: if you do it wrong, your child may get severe injuries, and may even die"
well. this encouraged me to double-check what i've done.
thats the point about the sentence you found.
It does not say that if I lose I properly install the camera, says that this software may damage the camera.
You there in the United States, go to WALMART and buy another, here in Brazil a 5D mark 2 costs the equivalent of U.S. $ 4,500.00 (considering taxes).
I have two 5D, a mark 2 and one mark 3. I went shopping in another country, in this case, Paraguay, where we do not pay taxes abusive in Brazil.
I would love to use the ML, but also work with weddings and can not have failures in the camera, since the mark 3 my wife uses for photos.
I wonder how many people here use the mark in ML 2 and if anyone had any serious problem with the camera using the software.
Sorry my english?
Well, malcom, for one, does. And he shoots weddings
edit: some people had issues (just go check the forums). I'd say 99,9% of them come from not properly reading the instructions (i.e. removing the card or battery after shutdown without waiting for the confirmation blink)
As I said before, we try our best. As an example, when A1ex discovered that movie remap could cause Err70 and corruption he decided to remove that feature despite it being used by a lot of people...
On a side note, even Canon's official tools can lead to a non-operational camera, as someone sadly discovered... http://www.reikan.co.uk/photography/blog/?p=1550
Hank Palan from Rusty Red Studios also used ML (on his 550D) for weddings, as can be seen in this promo video we did for ML 2.3:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/whats-new/78-news/129-watch-the-ml2-3-video
Feel free to browse around the ML cinema, which contains some pretty good examples of ML being used for professional work:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/weddingfilm
I know that this is not the appropriate place to ask this question, but ...
A doubt.
The ML should be on the card whenever I want to use the same right?
Imagine the situation, I filled a card with videos, I'll unload and then format the card in the camera, then have to take the card to recopy the files from the ML? The process is the same?
Quote from: neocortex on August 16, 2012, 04:40:26 PM
The ML should be on the card whenever I want to use the same right?
Imagine the situation, I filled a card with videos, I'll unload and then format the card in the camera, then have to take the card to recopy the files from the ML? The process is the same?
You can keep the ML files when formatting the card in the camera. So, all you need to do is copy all the footage from the card to your PC, and then just format the card in the camera and make sure that the keep ML files option is ticked.
Quote from: Malcolm Debono on August 16, 2012, 04:32:05 PM
Hank Palan from Rusty Red Studios also used ML (on his 550D) for weddings, as can be seen in this promo video we did for ML 2.3:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/whats-new/78-news/129-watch-the-ml2-3-video
Feel free to browse around the ML cinema, which contains some pretty good examples of ML being used for professional work:
http://www.magiclantern.fm/weddingfilm
In a 550D I would have installed the first beta version. :) )
The scenario is more important than the camera. If I'm shooting a wedding and the camera fails, it doesn't matter if it's a 5D2 or a 550D!
Quote from: Malcolm Debono on August 16, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
You can keep the ML files when formatting the card in the camera. So, all you need to do is copy all the footage from the card to your PC, and then just format the card in the camera and make sure that the keep ML files option is ticked.
humm nice!!!
I agree, but in this case the problem is the cost of the camera. Since the release of ML, someone has already reported, or someone knew of a serious problem with a camera where it crashed?
From what I can remember, all the "serious issues" are related to people not reading documentation / FAQ / best practices.
But ML is developed by humans so we CAN screw up.
Quote from: nanomad on August 16, 2012, 05:07:12 PM
From what I can remember, all the "serious issues" are related to people not reading documentation / FAQ / best practices.
But ML is developed by humans so we CAN screw up.
Motivator!
I'm following ML development for more than a year and I have not yet found a confirmed bricked camera report.
There was some reports of non permanent issue were user lost a shooting.
I suggest you to test it at first in not critical situation to have a personal opinion on how it's reliable. And then keep using it until you are confident with the functions.
The biggest issue fir me is that ML gives you so many options that it's easier to forget one active (HDR braketing for example) and so risk to have a unexpected shot some times...
I totally understand your concern. It is up to you if you're willing to try it out or not (no one is forcing you to use it!). However, rest assured that many others have been doing plenty of work with it (in fact, most of those who tried the early releases of version 2.3 for contributors and supporters said that they feel that it is solid and can be trusted for professional work after testing it thoroughly).
If you decide to try it out, follow scrax's advise and test it before doing any important work. There are so many (useful) settings that this isn't something that you simply install and go for a shoot with. You need to adapt it to your needs and get the hang of it (such as the menu layouts and the shortcuts) first.
Honestly, I was the same way.
If you install it foollowing the instructions, you won't have a problem.
It isn't like clipping the wires on a time bomb.
Its really pretty easy.
The rewards WAY outweigh the risks.
The risk is pretty low--you won't screw it up.
Follow the directions, and if you get stuck, ask us.
I think the discussion is over, I'm locking the topic. If you don't think so, please PM me
Probably it should be sticky, as the answers in this thread are very good IMO.
I was afraid to at first. Then I thought, what the heck! I like it. But I have to disable it while recording, or the audio is super low.
Quote from: wwjoshdew on September 15, 2012, 11:58:52 PM
I was afraid to at first. Then I thought, what the heck! I like it. But I have to disable it while recording, or the audio is super low.
-.-
That's because ACG is turned off, probably.
Otherwise it would be full of people reporting that, don't you think so?
Just checking - am I allowed to respond to the walmart comment.....
Quote from: neocortex on August 16, 2012, 04:14:36 PM
It does not say that if I lose I properly install the camera, says that this software may damage the camera.
You there in the United States, go to WALMART and buy another, here in Brazil a 5D mark 2 costs the equivalent of U.S. $ 4,500.00 (considering taxes).
I have two 5D, a mark 2 and one mark 3. I went shopping in another country, in this case, Paraguay, where we do not pay taxes abusive in Brazil.
I would love to use the ML, but also work with weddings and can not have failures in the camera, since the mark 3 my wife uses for photos.
I wonder how many people here use the mark in ML 2 and if anyone had any serious problem with the camera using the software.
Sorry my english?
Caro amigo,
Honestamente, eu compreendo e partilho da sua preocupação mas, tudo na vida tem o seu risco!
Se você pensa que, utilizar ML tem um risco muito elevado e que,
a sua vida ficará muito complicada sem a sua marivilhosa camera talvez... seja melhor pensar duas vezes.
Você vai ter de pensar bem no assunto e ponderar as vantagem e desvantagens e depois é só decidir!
Eu creio que o risco é baixo. Existem milhares de utilizadores em todo o mundo a utilizar ML.
Pelo que tenho lido, eles parecem quase todos muito satisfeitos.
Nós gostamos de saber as preocupações dos utilizadores e a sua mensagem foi bem recebida.
Você partilha a preocupação de muitos... Esta equipa trabalha diariamente para simplificar,
reduzir o risco de instalação e melhorar ML no seu todo.
Com o devido respeito, permita-me dizer-lhe que aqui na minha terra diz-se que ... "quem tem medo compra um cão" :)
Desejo-lhe umas excelentes fotos... de preferência com ML :)
Cumprimentos
I apologize to the other for writing in Portuguese, but I think this case is appropriate.
... then you have no idea as to what you are missing - for moi its ML that turned the camera into a beast. Believe me the name MAGIC says it all. Again well done to everyone involved.
shaun
im happy with ML. at 1st i was afraid to install it, but did try..now my camera is like a beast..Superb functions that high end camera has. I am not erasing such software from my card.. its very useful compared to the on board menus of canon.. best thanks to the developers!
ML has been harmless to my 60D.
If I don't want ML, I just plug a SD Card with no ML on it.
But now, all my SD Cards have ML installed. I use the white balance & intervalometer intensively, and sometimes other functions.
Quote from: spacef2012 on November 12, 2012, 04:48:12 PM
ML has been harmless to my 60D.
If I don't want ML, I just plug a SD Card with no ML on it.
But now, all my SD Cards have ML installed. I use the white balance & intervalometer intensively, and sometimes other functions.
Or you keep SET pressed as you boot the camera.
Quote from: neocortex on August 15, 2012, 10:02:16 PM
Honestly, I'm afraid to install. After seeing a sentence like this: And, remember that this software can damage or destroy your camera.
I have a 5D mark 2 and I have no money to buy another.
If you do not offer the least security, then they are fools who use the ML.
Sorry, but this is my opinion.
I would love to use, but after reading this, no more.
60D here. Have had it for about 3 weeks. Just getting my arms around it and thought I'd give it a go.
I donated but i can't download ML 2.3 stable file. Does anyone know y?
Quote from: Hogo on January 04, 2013, 09:25:30 AM
I donated but i can't download ML 2.3 stable file. Does anyone know y?
Something wrong with the site/server I think, as there are some parts not working, including downloads page
edit: fixed, somehow the system forgot to notify an important update.... >:(
♪ First I was afraid, I was petrified.. ♫ ;)
Have you ever taken any medication? Ever taken a common painkiller or antibiotic? Ever read the list of possible side effects before taking them?
The warning on the ML readme file is a disclaimer, nothing more. And I'm guessing it's so strongly worded in order to scare away idiots from doing damage to their equipment because they're not apt to follow instructions. Are you an idiot? Can you follow instructions?
Now weigh up the single line in the OP highlighted in bold against the many thousands of comments on this website and others by happy Magic Lantern users. If you're still unsure try doing a thorough search for somebody who has actually damaged their camera by using ML. And if you're still unsure just forget about it. Nobody is trying to persuade you to use Magic Lantern.
Warning: May cause loss of scalp and penis! (http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/lists/voiceovers) ;D
If that can re-assure you: I used to have a 6D and a good set of lens, a nice laptop, electric guitar.
One night they broke in my room (as i am flatsharing) and the stole EVERYTHING i had (while i was asleep in bed) only leaving behind the ps3 and teleevision (strange huh?)
To get all the gear i had, i saved up for almost a year, as my day job pays very little. Well, after a lot of difficulties to find someone willing to lend me £1500, i re-bought my 6D and the first thing i did as soon as arrived: Install Magic Lantern. And trust me, the first time i installed it, my heart was racing at the thought of lose AGAIN my camera. i think i even broke some cold sweat when the ML installer kicked in.
The risk is there, and lighting can struck, but as all the amazing people on this forum have showed me, fear not. Because the advantages you get are really worth the risk you will take, and anyway, as long as you do everything following the instructions brilliantly provided by the geniuses behind this god-send firmware, you will be fine! Actually, i am saving up now in order to get the 5D mark III, so to be finally able to shoot continuos RAW! :)
Very well said, @extremelypoorfilmaker! ;)
*cheers*
Thank you very much @DeafEyeJedi :)
I wish i had some software development skills, so to be able to help more! All i can do for now it is only report bugs
@nagualdesign
I have actually read some of the post related to bricked camera on the forum, and that reassured me quite a bit in case anything goes wrong. The amount of help that senior members and developers give is just amazing
Do it Do It and fall in love with your Camera all over again. just don't do it on April 1st lol for real
I have been using ML on my T5I (700D) for well over 6 months and i have not had any problems. The only issues are some of the displays are glitchy. It works great for me.
Been working my butt off saving up for a full frame - then I stumped upon a used 5dIII, bought it for a song... and the following day a brand new 5dIII literally fell in my turban as part of an heritage. Lucky me! And of course I set one up with firmware 113/ML and the other with 123/ML. So 2016 is going to be a fantastic year with lots of productivity.
Gosh I am so envious of you... [emoji12]
May 2016 bring you happiness, @axelcine!
This tread was started by neocortex and his anxiety about ML. Well ML is the main reason that I have been working my way hard towards the M5III. DeafEyeYedi, I remember a tread, where a guy was trying to save up for a 5DII, and your solemn advice was to go for the III. So you see? I listen to what you say. The best part is, that when I read all your posts (and a lot of other's as well, of course), I get the feeling, that I know my new cameras inside-out already, like I have been test-driving the cams for a long time. The ML site is a treasure chest.
I am the happiest guy on the planet - I was totally happy with my 700d, and it's going to be my work horse when I shoot documentaries for our local TV station. It's light weight and I have quite a few fine EF-S's for it. But when it comes to film making, I'm confident my new jewels are going to bring me so much wonderful moments, as I have rarely had before. I know I'm going to learn how to handle a new monster machine, and I'm soooo looking forward to it. I have a Tamron 150-600 f5-6.3, a few much shorter primes and the Sigma 10-20, so I can hardly wait for some good weather and a few lions in our open zoo parks.
If neocortex reads this: ML has changed the way I work with my cameras, a thing I have been doing since I got a Nikkormat FT 50/1.4 back in 1966 when I was 13 years old. I gave my son Michael an almost new Nikon 3100 and a couple of good lenses 3 years ago, when I shifted to Canon, mainly to get ML. Since then he has bought a Nikon 5200. We're competing, but with ML I always have an advantage. (He-he!) When he sees what a full frame ML can do, he's gonne kill me.
Have confidence in ML. A few of my friends have asked me, why I'd risk spoiling my cam. I read the instructions, Walter's dry but o' so correct advice, the many tons of good info on this site, and of course ML works without a glitch. I have yet to read a post, where somebody actually proves, that ML has bricked his cam. The only problem is, that it'll take you a lifetime to get through all the options.
In Denmark something like $2500 would buy you a well-cared for second hand 5DIII, and about the half for a 5DII. I am sure, used gear is even cheaper in the Americas, and in this age of internet I would not hesitate to buy over the net. ML makes it absolutely worthwhile to go for a second hand camera.
If Rolls-Royce got ML, their cars could fly! And a wonderful 2016 to all of you, too. It's going to be so much fun? life? art making? love? sunshine? good work? All of it, of course.
Been running ML for 2 + years now. I have seen a hand full of very miner glitches and most were human error on my part. Follow instructions, when in dought pull the battery out. Never turn off your camera if something goes wrong. Just pull out batt. I can't believe how good it is but I have to say still that you use it at your own risk. But its amazing.
Is this officially the oldest post ever dug up?
Not even close. Some necrophilia occured with threads resting in peace much longer.
Walter, I tend to agree with you. When a thread has been dormant for, say, a year, might it not be OK to archive it? This thread was dormant from JAN 13 to DEC 14, almost 2 years.
Quote from: Vikapolyak on March 01, 2016, 06:58:16 AM
I honestly think my husband will change when he gets out.
Your husband is that guy who stolen extremelypoorfilmaker's gear?
Quote from: mothaibaphoto on March 01, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
Your husband is that guy who stolen extremelypoorfilmaker's gear?
Hey, Vikapolyak! I want my lenses and guitar back! He can keep laptop and camera. And if he has installed Magic Lantern on my good old 6D he can keep the 24-105mm L RAW video will show him the light! :D I now own a 5D3, probably in 2 years will own a RED (Unless the devs accept £5000 to tailor made magic lantern for the C100 / 1DC for me!)
But I want my 11-16mm tokina back!!! :D
Hello guys, im new there. I wanna post a new topic but i found already open one.
I new user of Canon 6D (cca 4 months) with Samyang 14mm F2.8.
I like so much ML but im worried alot because i dont have money for new one camera.. Im ready for risky but i wanna know some things before im instal it.
Main reason why im wanna instal is (zoom in screen for focus, multi ISO picture and 4k Video.
I am beginner so wanna know some things.
1. Are i can remove ML and back to factory like i had before ?
2. Is there any Canon 6D camera had hardware problem after use ML ?
3. I have new firmware. (problem?)
4. I have Sandisk Ultra 80mb/s HC1 16gb is enough for record HDR FullHD video and standar 4K video?
Thank you guys
1.: Top of page -> User Guide -> FAQ/Install Guide
2.: No. All of them were software problems.
3.: See 1. and install instructions on Top of page -> Downloads -> Download nightly builds
4.: There is no card able to do this because 6D's interface limit is about 41 MByte/s which is good for 720p24 in continuous mode.
So I stupidly though my brand new Mark iii was running 1.1.3 and of course since it's new it's running 1.3.3. I followed all the steps and when i tried to load ML as the firmware it said something like "you are running the incorrect firmware update to..." and then "you may now eject your battery." I did that. Now I am afraid to load ML because trying to figure out how to downgrade to 1.1.3 let me to read all kinds of scary warnings. Was anything installed on my camera from that failed attempt. I just spent my life savings on this camera and am so paranoid I have installed something bad. Thank you in Advanced to anyone that respond.
You need an USB connection between cam and PC.
Run EOS Utility 2.x to downgrade from 1.3.3.
Canon disabled in-cam downgrade for firmware version 1.3.3.
And if you can't stand the risk bricking your cam you may want to think about if ML is an option for you at all.
Like Walter said.
With that said I never been more happy to downgrade any firmware as much as going from 1.3.3 to 1.1.3 per Walter,s advice through canon utility when I rebought a 5D mark 3 a month ago.