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Title: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on October 21, 2015, 07:44:59 AM
As you know, Mac Users, DISK Utility has change.
EXFAT format now has more option and my question is wich one it's the best to use.
I tried a couple and when I re insert the card in the Mac, ooops, say: Not format.

So, wich one is the correct setting for format the card for RAW recording under OSX EL CAPITAN?

Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: charlesbrepsant on January 24, 2016, 10:11:24 AM
I have the exact same problem - no matter with which options I format in exFAT with El Capitan, it gives me that error and I can't record longer than 4 Gigs.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Walter Schulz on January 24, 2016, 10:19:12 AM
Sorry, please give details.
ML can't bypass Canon's file handling. If your cam (you haven't mentioned the type) stops H.264 recording (you haven't entioned record mode) if file size reaches 4 GB. ML can restart recording (you haven't mentioned if you are using this option) automatically.

And most of the times "I have exact same problem" is a very different one ... as you described.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: charlesbrepsant on January 25, 2016, 07:10:30 AM
Hi Walter,

Thanks for your answer.

I think I have half-solved the problem.

Here is the problem in more details : on 5dMIII, when I format my CF cards in ExFat with Disk Utility in El Capitan, I have multiple options to choose (GUID Partition Map, Master Boot Record, Apple Partition Map).

After formatting with any of these options and re-inserting card in Camera I get the following error: "Card1 cannot be accessed Reinsert/change the card or format card with camera"

However, in Disk Utility you have two ways to format the card:
Option 1: you can select the Type of Disk and Erase it (which gives you the options above)
Option 2: there is a small dropdown that allows you to select the Disk with the name you gave it, and format it. This does not give you any of the above options.

Now, if I format my cards first on Windows, in exFat, then in-camera with the 5d,  and then format them using Option 2 on El Capitan, then and only then do the cards work fine on the 5d.

However, as soon as I format on El Capitan with Option 1, then even if I use 5d in-camera formatting and Option 2 straight after, the card remains unusable on the 5d.

One additional note that may help figure out the problem - after formatting using Option 1 and when trying to format on Windows, I can format the card successfully in exFat, but only for 200MB...



So to summarize the solution if you have the same problem as me - never use  Option 1 in El Capitan's Disk Utility, only Option 2.  If you do use Option 1, then format first in Windows, then in-camera, then Option 2 on El Capitan.

Hope this helps someone.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: blabberlicious on May 10, 2016, 04:20:30 PM
It helped me! Many thanks

:)
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on June 11, 2016, 09:48:45 AM
DISK UTILITY, ERASE, EXFAT, GUIDE PARTITION MAP
 ;)
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: D_Odell on July 08, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Hi!

I have carefully tried every solution except with a PC, don't have one for the moment. Cant make ExFat to work unfortunately. Im using 5D3 and Sandisk 128 GB 160 read.

Is the only way to go with ExFat if you have a Windows-based computer?

Thanks!
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Danne on July 08, 2016, 02:51:42 PM
Why must it be exfat anyway? Raw2dng(Bouncyball version) already convert spanned raw files and mlv files can be spanned and converted as is.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: D_Odell on July 08, 2016, 03:07:56 PM
Okay! So ExFat or Fat32 don't differ in write speed or so? Only spanning that differs? Thanks!
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on July 09, 2016, 09:21:47 AM
ExFAT is more stable.
And oyu don't have to worry about rec file bigger than 4gb.
Use ExFAT ;)
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Danne on July 09, 2016, 10:43:53 AM
What is not stable with spanned files? Issues with converting are already sorted.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on July 10, 2016, 03:24:44 AM
@Danne

More stable about Exfat vs Exfat32 in my experience, after rec around 8-9 CF cards per day.
Less drop frames, less error message.

I never use spanning.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: dratif on July 27, 2016, 12:30:21 AM
Any solution yet @Hero Members?
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 27, 2016, 05:41:15 AM
Solution? Is there a problem?
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: dratif on July 27, 2016, 05:56:50 AM
Solution? Is there a problem?

How to format on Mac that is exfat.

Every time I do on Mac it wont go beyond 4GB and when I do it on Windows it is fine.

Thanks for your reply. 
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 27, 2016, 07:08:43 AM
Reply #3 doesn't help?
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Lars Steenhoff on July 27, 2016, 12:16:31 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/solution-to-el-capitans-new-disk-utility-want-the-old-one-back.1938136/ (http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/solution-to-el-capitans-new-disk-utility-want-the-old-one-back.1938136/)

Solution : old disk utility works with some small modification.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: dratif on July 27, 2016, 06:19:42 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/solution-to-el-capitans-new-disk-utility-want-the-old-one-back.1938136/ (http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/solution-to-el-capitans-new-disk-utility-want-the-old-one-back.1938136/)

Solution : old disk utility works with some small modification.
Reply #3 doesn't help?

It dont wanna risk using altered because the card, the camera and the fact that we are on hack- doesn't make me feel confident to go ahead with it.

So WS any durable option besides Win?

Thanks much.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on July 27, 2016, 06:44:53 PM
If I were you @dratif -- it would be wise to go ahead and try @Lars Steenhoff's suggestion re: older version of DU via OS X.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 27, 2016, 07:07:07 PM
I don't know what the problem is. I can't reproduce it.

Inserted a 8 GB SD-card into my Hackintosh (running 10.11.6) and run Disk Utility. Formated card with ExFAT. Inserted card into cam (650D): No problem. Copied ML files to card and installed ML via Firmware update option.
Configured MLV_REC to write with 35.4 MByte/s to ExFAT and stopped after 3:00. File size is 6,716,211,808 Bytes.

What are we talking about? As far as I can tell dratif haven't used ExFAT at all.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: cmccullum on July 29, 2016, 01:47:18 AM
I have also had issues when trying to format a card to exfat on El Capitan. Same as mentioned: format card in disk utility, insert in camera, get "card 1 can not be read".

I was able to then format the card in camera, but I don't think the exfat stuck (didn't test), but I did have an h264 file split because "file over 4gb" so I assume it did not.

I'm pretty sure El Capitan disk utility is just broken because my Mac does not recognize the card properly after attempted exfat format.

Try formatting the card via terminal. I'm not sure if you can do such a thing, but I don't see why not. Just do a search and you should find out how if possible
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on July 29, 2016, 04:01:20 AM
@cmccullum

Wich camera do you have, and wich card?

For example, 7D and some CF card doesn't work.

5D Mark III, no problem in my case.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: cmccullum on July 29, 2016, 04:38:59 AM
5d3 64gb komputer bay 1066x

I never had any issues with older disk utility
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on July 29, 2016, 04:47:37 AM
Try only MS DOS FAT - the other option -  please, and report.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: D_Odell on July 29, 2016, 08:08:14 PM
My only solution was with a PC and Windows. Works from the first try.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: cmccullum on July 30, 2016, 08:46:20 AM
@budafilms I just packed up everything for a move tomorrow, but after I get settled in I'll give it a try and report
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: dratif on August 31, 2016, 06:36:39 PM
I don't know what the problem is. I can't reproduce it.

Inserted a 8 GB SD-card into my Hackintosh (running 10.11.6) and run Disk Utility. Formated card with ExFAT. Inserted card into cam (650D): No problem. Copied ML files to card and installed ML via Firmware update option.
Configured MLV_REC to write with 35.4 MByte/s to ExFAT and stopped after 3:00. File size is 6,716,211,808 Bytes.

What are we talking about? As far as I can tell dratif haven't used ExFAT at all.

Thanks Walter Schulz for your procrastination- I have been using exFat for several months now and only recently when updated to Kapitan faced this problem. And without reading this thread have been formatting exFat through Windows.

Being rude to newcomers is really isn't necessary. Least we expect from Heroes.  :)
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: zachnfine on September 11, 2016, 07:45:08 PM
This is only a data point - but I had no luck changing a card's format to exFAT if it was first formatted in camera. But if I just selected the card (not its partition) in Disk Utility and chose Erase, exFAT, and MBR, the result seems to work just fine in my 5D3 running last night's nightly ML.

I'm on OS X 10.11.5, FWIW.
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: ultimatemale on November 05, 2016, 06:55:51 PM
Anyone tried macOS sierra yet? Does it have the same problem when formating to exfat in disc utility?
Title: Re: CF CARD FORMAT WITH EL CAPITAN OSX
Post by: budafilms on November 05, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
No problem with Sierra.

Connect the card.
Open Disk Utilities.
Go to ERASE.
Select Format > Exfat and Scheme > Master Boot Record

Do nice videos ;)