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Title: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Chungdha on July 20, 2012, 09:20:31 PM

So here is a simple guide showing how to change your ISO to ISO25 while normally ISO100 is the standard lowest ISO on most of the Camera's. It increases also a bit of the dynamic range plus also able to let you have more lower ISO range.

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Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Michael Zöller on July 23, 2012, 01:06:42 AM
Thanks for the vid!
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: rednax on July 23, 2012, 01:48:00 AM
this features is on new firmware 2.3??
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: KarateBrot on July 23, 2012, 05:08:12 AM
yes
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Matthew Kieren on July 23, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
More info:  http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO (http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/ISO)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: a1ex on July 23, 2012, 07:47:26 AM
That's a very rough draft - take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Chungdha on July 23, 2012, 04:51:22 PM
It works still in the new 2.3 version just still got the color shift to green but nothing that bit of color correction cant fix.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: screamer on July 23, 2012, 10:59:36 PM
All this iso things are really interesting, and the article is a pleasing and illuminating read.
But i want to ask a question. why the digital negative gain isn't available in photo mode? it's because you don't find useul or for some hardware/software limitations? because i think that decreasing the 100iso limit should be very interesting used like a "digital ND filter". I mean, lowest iso, increased time. So for long exposures should be interesting (i don't know how many stops this could be done, but could be useful)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: a1ex on July 23, 2012, 11:01:16 PM
In photo mode you can shoot RAW - which contains all the dynamic range you can get.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: hoiman417 on July 24, 2012, 05:30:10 AM
Is it possible integrate this feature into auto ISO?

Or is there any better way to use ISO25 in light changing scenes?
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: a1ex on July 24, 2012, 07:44:30 AM
No.

For light changing scenes, @3pointedit had the idea of using HDR video - take a look around.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: rednax on July 24, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
Quote from: screamer on July 23, 2012, 10:59:36 PM
because i think that decreasing the 100iso limit should be very interesting used like a "digital ND filter". I mean, lowest iso, increased time.

I think the same thing. I'd like to shoot at ISO 25. so I can increase exposure when the sun is up, as if I had a nd filter
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: ClicketyClick on July 24, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
In the days of film ISO 25 would be giving the finest resolution. Does anything like his happen here that increases Image Quality? (for stills)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: screamer on July 25, 2012, 03:10:00 AM
ClicketyClick pointed out exactly the meaning of my question: is it possible to have lower iso than 100 (with conseguent less noise and better iq than the standard 100iso lowest value? but if i understood well, the answer is no, or better the lowest iso is a pull down of a more great value (160?)
And if it's true, is the image quality of 160iso the same of 100iso (i mean with raw shooting, the noise level is the same?)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: a1ex on July 25, 2012, 09:17:53 AM
160 is pulled down from 200, so the RAW files shot with these two ISOs will be identical.

The lowest analog ISO is 100.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: ClicketyClick on July 25, 2012, 11:55:26 PM
so that's a "No"?
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: SuperHans28 on July 26, 2012, 11:52:52 PM
I've had a quick look at the ML ISOs and I can't say I see any difference (apart from brightness of the 800 over the 700)?

ML 700 ISO (800 with -0.3ev ML) - http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/7652727356_c1e416bb43_h.jpg
Canon 700 ISO (800 with -0.3ev Canon) - http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7652723946_f8b0c6ff22_h.jpg
Canon 800 ISO - http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7274/7652720492_07ecc4670a_h.jpg
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Chungdha on July 27, 2012, 06:29:27 PM
rarely use iso700 though
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: he56ys5ysu7w4 on July 27, 2012, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: SuperHans28 on July 26, 2012, 11:52:52 PM
I've had a quick look at the ML ISOs and I can't say I see any difference (apart from brightness of the 800 over the 700)?

ML 700 ISO (800 with -0.3ev ML) - http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/7652727356_c1e416bb43_h.jpg
Canon 700 ISO (800 with -0.3ev Canon) - http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7652723946_f8b0c6ff22_h.jpg
Canon 800 ISO - http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7274/7652720492_07ecc4670a_h.jpg

Noticed the beer was full in pic one and empty in the net. ;-)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: nitin on July 28, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
Does this lower iso works with pics? I am new to magic lantern.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: scrax on July 28, 2012, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: nitin on July 28, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
Does this lower iso works with pics? I am new to magic lantern.
No, you can have same result if you shoot in raw and underexpose in post.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: Chungdha on July 20, 2012, 09:20:31 PM
So here is a simple guide showing how to change your ISO to ISO25 while normally ISO100 is the standard lowest ISO on most of the Camera's. It increases also a bit of the dynamic range plus also able to let you have more lower ISO range.
Are you sure? I think that the best dynamic range only possible with native ISO100.
I think that ISO25 is the ISO100 with cut of 2 stops of dynamic range. Is it wrong?
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: KarateBrot on August 09, 2012, 04:59:54 PM
You really get more details in the highlights which are normally clipped. you can see that the whites are getting more pink. that's because not all colors clip at the same intensity and that's what ML uses as an advantage
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2012, 08:57:37 PM
But what about details in the dark area?
Overall dynamic range of ISO 25 will be 2 stops less than ISO 100? (with better highlight roll-off, but crushed blacks by 2 EV, yes?)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: KarateBrot on August 09, 2012, 09:26:36 PM
sure, but that's how all ISO values behave. i don't know what you want to say. if something with the exposure value is different than it's going to be in the highlights
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: 3pointedit on August 12, 2012, 05:43:52 AM
Certainly the highlights are clipped but that is the point of shooting low ISO isn't it? The other thing to remember is that only the red channel seems to be badly effected by clipping. Perhaps you can remap the other channels into the top of the red and retain some detail that way?
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: KarateBrot on August 12, 2012, 06:34:18 AM
Quote from: 3pointedit on August 12, 2012, 05:43:52 AM
The other thing to remember is that only the red channel seems to be badly effected by clipping.

If the highlights turn pink that means the green channel is being affected. The green channel seems to clip earlier than red and blue. I don't know why but maybe because in the light's spectrum green is more intense than red and blue.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: 3pointedit on August 12, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
Yeah of course. Look at me talking out my behind. I thought initialy that the other channels were being pulled down not just clipped but I guess you are right. Thanks for catching that bad advice ;)
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: calypsob on October 02, 2012, 11:01:14 AM
Im a bit confused, is this for film mode or for shooting?  Iso 25 would be great for long exposures.
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: nanomad on October 02, 2012, 11:30:50 AM
There's a thing called ND filter for that
Title: Re: ISO25 on the May 15 2012 build
Post by: ToniX on July 09, 2013, 12:41:23 AM
eactly what I desperately willing to know about how ISO settings/values affect shooting.

Do you know what I learned? ML enable having better photographics results. :)