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Using Magic Lantern => Raw Video => Topic started by: QuickHitRecord on November 24, 2014, 02:03:01 PM

Title: Where is middle gray when shooting ML Raw?
Post by: QuickHitRecord on November 24, 2014, 02:03:01 PM
Specifically, I am looking for the percentage (trying to calibrate a light meter with my 5D3).

Does this number change when using BMDFilm color space in Resolve as a starting point for a grade and if so, to what percentage?

Thanks.

EDIT: Audionut's response here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11331.msg110307#msg110307 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11331.msg110307#msg110307) answers the first part of my question, but I'm still trying to figure out whether I can calibrate my light meter according to BMDFilm.
Title: Re: Where is middle gray when shooting ML Raw?
Post by: Audionut on November 24, 2014, 11:06:57 PM
You probably don't really want to.  When shooting raw, you really only have two limits to be concerned about. 

The saturation level, above which things are overexposed, and your accepted noise level, below which things have to much noise.  Ideally, you probably want to push things as bright as possible during the capture phase (ETTR), for maximum SNR (quality).  In post process, it's very easy to tone map things to the desired brightness level.
Title: Re: Where is middle gray when shooting ML Raw?
Post by: QuickHitRecord on November 25, 2014, 03:38:45 AM
@audionut So, if I'm understanding what you are saying, striving for in-camera consistency will take a toll on dynamic range in post, because raw footage needs to be exposed to the right for best results.

I hadn't thought of it that way.
Title: Re: Where is middle gray when shooting ML Raw?
Post by: dubzeebass on November 25, 2014, 04:18:45 AM
I always expose to the right then bring it down in post. May as well maximize the inputs and attenuate as needed. That's how we mix sound on a board too!
Title: Re: Where is middle gray when shooting ML Raw?
Post by: QuickHitRecord on November 29, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
As an experiment, I shot a Sekonic Exposure Profile Target II which gave me a wide range of exposure values in the frame. Following the ETTR hint on the raw histogram put the spot meter box (hovering over the middle gray chip) at -3.7EV. Looks good in post so far, so I'm going to go with it.
Title: Re: Where is middle gray when shooting ML Raw?
Post by: Audionut on November 29, 2014, 11:30:39 PM
When I shot this scene (which has a fairly large dynamic range) for this (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=12096.0), Canon dumped the middle grey @ -3.3 EV, which is 10% (log2(100/10)) luminance (Canon is somewhat known for underexposing to protect highlights), and 0.85 EV under 18% (log2(18/10)) luminance.

(https://s1.postimg.org/77emw8deq7/Spot_Midtone.jpg)


http://xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=824&Action=Support&SupportID=5159
http://dpanswers.com/content/tech_zonesystem.php#tzh
http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/calibrate-exposure-meter-to-improve-dynamic-range

At -3.7 EV, you are around 8% luminance, 1.22 EV underexposed.