Magic Lantern Forum

Using Magic Lantern => Raw Video => Topic started by: Boygetslost on July 07, 2014, 01:42:08 AM

Title: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on July 07, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
Hi
Does anyone know why I get random frame skips. Sometimes I get a random dropped frame, that seems to mess with the motion and make it feel a little sped up.
Does anyone know why?

Its a 5d2 with the feb 14th version
Shot at 1880 x 1016

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: jimmyD30 on July 07, 2014, 02:09:18 AM
Probably CF card not fast enough for record settings. Which CF card are you using and at what frame rate?
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: reddeercity on July 07, 2014, 06:25:10 AM
Not possible on that Build for continuous the only Build that can keep up is the Oct 24 2013 Raw v1.0 not MLV v2.0
With a 1000x CF card That is  and  No GD enable. Your card need to maintain no less then 75 MB/s for that frame size.
not too many brands of CF cards can , I know for a fact Lexar can, as I have (2) 1000x card for my  5D2 continuous @ 23.976 1880x1058 .   
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on July 07, 2014, 08:40:18 AM
its a 1000x times komputer bay card, that seems to be working well.

I know that 1880 x 1016 gives me about 3mins of record time. but now i seem to get dropped frames every now and then during the recording.

So if I switch to an earlier build will the dropped frames stop?



Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: reddeercity on July 07, 2014, 08:58:05 AM
I think so, I find that this raw build is the fastest I have tested to-date even get 2048x930 23.976 continuous in crop mode.
One think that made a big difference for me was in the canon menu in photo mode select Small Raw2 and no jpeg ,
that should free up some memory for a speed increase. 
This is the build I use for just Raw v1.0 Oct 24/2013 Link --> https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/laboratory/downloads/af9a60fe144d.zip
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on July 07, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Hey
thanks for that, yes your right the build its much better!
Im still getting these dropped frames, just at random times,  jumps a frame, messing with the motion.
I am missing something?
It makes the motion jump slightly.
Have you had this before?
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: reddeercity on July 07, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
No jumping , make sure FPS Over Ride is enabled to "exact" @ 23.976 with canon menu set to 24p
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on July 07, 2014, 10:29:49 PM
Thanks, thats improved it alot, though there is still a frame drop every now and then. Im filming a timer and Im still seeing it.
Are there just small frame drops on the 5d2? Just a characteristic of the ml raw on the 5d2?

Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: jimmyD30 on July 08, 2014, 12:09:47 AM
I wouldn't say it's characteristic, more likely something going on at your end. Have you tried not allowing dropped frames (frame skipping=off)? If you try setting it this way and recording stops, then you know for sure it's a frame skipping issue in the camera and not something going on in post production, just another ad-hoc diagnostic measure to help narrow down what's going on and where.
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: reddeercity on July 08, 2014, 05:53:38 AM
These are my setting for Raw v1.0
Set the Dial on top off camera to "M" for manual 
In Canon Menu :
Photo --> SRaw2 (Small Raw 2)
Auto Power  = Off
LCD Brightness = Manual Set "4"
Video System = NTSC
Live View/Movie Func. Set. = Stills+Movie sub menu -->Movie display Only
Movie Rec. Size = 1920x1080 24p

ML Menu:
Expose tab-->LV Display = Movie
Global Draw Tab --> GD = On
Histogram = Raw RGB, Log, dots
Waveform = small
Movie Tab = FPS Override = Enabled = Exact -->23.976
Raw Video Tab = Resolution ****x****
AR = 1.85:1 , 16:9 ,  2:1 Etc....
Preview = Auto or Hacked
Frame Skipping = OFF
Recording Frame = White rect.
Small Hacks = ON
interface = Feature

That it no other setting needed , so if you are still having problems
2 things, either the Cf card is faulty or film at a lower resolution.  ;)
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Audionut on July 08, 2014, 06:07:34 AM
You may want to format the card before use, and use a large cluster size (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_cluster).
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on July 09, 2014, 01:06:02 AM
thats great mate! Thankyou.

Im doing tests with your settings and the latest build and I am starting to get some better results.

I do feel the motion on the 5d2 raw video is a little different. more choppy and less fluid.
Have you found this at all?
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: jimmyD30 on July 09, 2014, 01:24:47 AM
What frame rate and shutter speed are you using? Have you been adhering to the 180 degree rule?
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: reddeercity on July 09, 2014, 03:40:12 AM
@ Boygetslost  no problem with choppy as jimmyD30 said "the 180 degree rule"
Make sure your shutter is as close to 1/48th of a second as you can  or there about .
One thing thou 5D2 dose not like very fast motions like fast pans quick jerky movements etc....
Keep the motion fluid . One other thing come to mind also , are you shooting at 24p or 25p ?
Because I do remember back in the Raw v1.0 days some people had a problem with 25p and crop mode.
Can you explain or give us a sample of the problem then I can see for my self.
And how are you processing the Raw file (your Workflow) this can also product problems .
Hope this helps  :)
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on July 12, 2014, 12:17:15 AM
Awesome. That has been really helpful.
I will run some proper tests on the weekend.
See how it looks.

Thanks
Chris:)
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: reddeercity on July 12, 2014, 03:26:32 AM
Glad you find my comments helpful ! can't say the same about others on the forum thou.  :D
Title: Re: Random frame skips on the 5d2 mark 2 in raw
Post by: Boygetslost on August 24, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Hey
Thanks for all your help, I finally shot another short film with Magic Lantern Raw and the motion is fine and really nice.

Here is the link.
Not what, but who
http://youtu.be/jzvy142G-Kc

Also there is a behind the scenes video as well.
http://youtu.be/S_E3JseQlW0