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Have I missed this somewhere in the forum, because I just scoured the entire forum for this and got nothing.  Did I just make a breakthrough discovery that PPro CC works native with MLV raw files direct off the card (with a few minor glitches).  I was just mucking around with all these converters and programs and thinking to myself, how great would it be if Adobe just supported MLV native right off the SD/CF card.  Well, it seems that PPro CC does just that... almost 100%. 

I was dragging in some CDNG clips into PPro and then I went to my Media Browser and saw my MLV RAW folder there and decided to click on it just for fun to see what happens.  To my amazement PPro said "processing clips" the MLV raw clips!!!  Then I then dragged those MLV raw clips into the source monitor, set in/out marks, dragged them into my timeline and edited, added effects, and exported!  All without any problems or crashes and glitch free scrubbing in PPro!  The only glitch is there is a weird triangle that progresses down the frame as the clip is played and I saw a few dead/cold pixels in the output file, but that might be something in my settings that caused the cold pixels, not sure.

Has this been posted already on the forum?  I couldn't find it.  Could this be a major breakthrough for ML developers?  I sure hope so!!!  Fingers crossed!   :)  Please chime in with any ideas or fixes for the triangle or cold pixels, because other than that PPro works native with .MLV raw files right off the card!  I can't believe this hasn't been discovered already.

Here is a screen capture of PPro CC showing the MLV clips...

(http://www.dueymoore.com/mlvraw.jpg)

And the mystery arrow that progresses down the screen with the .MLV extension next to it.

(http://www.dueymoore.com/arrow.JPG)

Here is the MLV ouput to H.264/Viemo setting...

I'm using the latest version of Premiere CC, and this certainly doesn't work for me. Very sus...

Try using the media browser to import the mlv files

How to export using the media browser?

The files don't even show up in the import section.

Tested and it doesn't work for me, I'm updating PP right now and will report back.

Could you please tell us what version of PP you are using?

Ok...just updated PP and I can't get any of my .mlv files to be seen. If I double click on them, the app appears to try and process them, but ultimately tells me there is no usable data.

Could you provide us with more detail? Can you repeat this on any .mlv files or just some? What version of ML are you using? Also, is this on Mac or PC?

I am on Windows 7 x64 and using the latest Adobe Premiere Pro CC v.7.2.1(4).  I have a 60D and I am using this build...
magiclantern-v2.3.NEXT.2014Feb05.60D111

I just went outside and shot some more MLV files just to make sure and it works on my system.  I am on a Toshiba laptop, high specs.

Here I just uploaded a video screen capture of me using these raw files direct in PPro CC.

Video here...



I am opening a new HD project and creating a sequence of 1920x1080 and then I browse to a folder on my HD that has the .mlv files in it.  When I use the Media Browser in Adobe PPro CC and click on the MLV folder it starts processing the MLV files...

(http://www.dueymoore.com/processing.jpg)

Then I can work with them like any other files PPro supports.  I also just tried dragging and dropping an MLV file from a folder on my HD right into PPro CC and that works also.  If you don't believe me I can post a video of that too.

@sam.anstis >>> Look at the video and see for yourself.

@ Canon eos m >>> You select the folder where your MLV files are by using the media browser within PPro CC.  However, I just tried dragging and dropping and it works.

Watch the above video everyone!   :)

This work flow is not possible, I did tried to import from local drive or CF card and it will not work !
You can not even see the mlv files for import .
I recorded a new file of a few second of MLV+audio, just to make sure there is no corruption.(5D2, Feb4th, mlv+snd)
Premeire Pro 7.2.1(4)  is my version. On Windows 7 Pro, New Toshiba i7 Laptop.
the only way I can see it my have worked is if you have installed DrasticPreview or MediaReactor Workstation from www.drastic.tv.
They take about supporting mlv-raw with there plugin's  for Adobe.
If this truly works, we need a exact accounting how you did this,
Software version etc..

Same here, we all have the same version of PP yet I can't get it to work either.

Okay, I'm trying to figure out all of this, I did download Drastic and I installed Infran and I notice all my RAW files have a Cat icon. 

Here is what I did...  I took the card out of my camera, copied all the MLV files to my HD, then opened PPro, went down to the media browser, clicked on that folder with the MLV files in it and it started processing, took a while, then bam!  There were the files and they work just fine... wait a minute! 

NEWS FLASH!!!   I just did it with RAW files too!  Okay, I know people won't believe this so here I go to make another video screen capture of that!

Just because it doesn't work for you right now doesn't mean it won't.  Obviously I have stumbled onto something here now we just have to figure out what it is.  Just look at the video screen capture of me using it in PPro CC.

Quote from: duey101 on February 09, 2014, 09:12:54 AM
Okay, I'm trying to figure out all of this, I did download Drastic and I installed Infran and I notice all my RAW files have a Cat icon. 

Doesn't that explain it then? I mean are those 3rd party apps that enable access to .raw and .mlv files?

It isn't Drastic, I just looked, I Dl'ed it but didn't install it.  [[EDIT:  I did install actually]]  It may have something to do with IrFan and maybe even raw2cdng.1.4.8 because I was just using that to convert files before this all happened.  In my raw2cdng.1.4.8 folder I have...

raw2cdng.1.4.8.exe
mlv_dump.exe
5DIII_N2.look
raw2cdng.1.4.8.gif

That was the last thing I was using before I was able to have MLV and now RAW files drop directly into PPro CC.

If your MLV files have a cat (red?)  its a irfanview file/extension

The redcat is the culprit  :)

Drag and Drop works for both MLV and RAW!  I just tested both.

Here is what the properties sheet in PPro says about the files...

MLV file
(http://www.dueymoore.com/mlvfile.jpg)

RAW file...
(http://www.dueymoore.com/rawfile.jpg)

Here is one more video screen capture showing Adobe PPro CC being opened, Raw and MLV files being dragged straight off the SD card and dropped into PPro, where they are directly editable. 



As you can clearly see it definitely works as stated.  The only thing is as I mentioned before, that weird arrow with .MLV under it and some cold/dead pixels.  Anyone have any idea what is going on and why all of a sudden I can edit Raw and MLV directly in PPro CC with no time consuming and complex converting processes?  If we can figure this out the ML RAW capabilities just went through the roof!  Direct editing in PPro CC!!!   :D

I have no idea about programming and code, just shooting and editing.   :)

Just had a look through my CP at the install history, Recent install history is...

Adobe LightRoom 5 (which always automatically opens my SD card when inserted)
IrFanview (with plugins)  Download here ---> http://www.irfanview.com/ (http://www.irfanview.com/)
GoPro Studio
DNG Converter
MLV Converter 1.7.2 for WINDOWS
Drastic Media Reactor  ---> ding ding ding!!!  (What the properties from PPro said)
Film Convert
DaVinci Resolve 10.0 Lite

Could be a combo of Drastic Media Reactor and IrFanview, not sure.  But if maybe some of you try installing those and see what happens?  I really hope this is a small piece of code, or DMR or IrFanView update away from drag and drop MLV/RAW in PPro CC!

Well, PP is simply using Mediareactor to show MLV and RAW, as is mentioned in PP's fileproperty window.
Nice but expensive, 495 $ for the plugin...

Yep, there's mention of MLV support on their website here: http://www.drastic.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=204:supported-raw-camera-formats&catid=59&Itemid=94  Presumably the support is still in development and is responsible for the floating MLV arrow artifact. I'd expect that to disappear in later versions.

Quote from: MvM on February 09, 2014, 11:44:14 AM
Well, PP is simply using Mediareactor to show MLV and RAW, as is mentioned in PP's fileproperty window.
Nice but expensive, 495 $ for the plugin...

@chris_overseas: Trying to confirm this at the moment, but I think the "floating MLV arrow" is a demo watermark that will stay there until you actually purchase the plug-in. So unless one is willing to pay $495 (the current price for the Adobe version of the Drastic MediaReactor Workstation), this amazing workflow will remain out of reach for now. In the words of the immortal Walter Brennan from "The Real McCoy's": Dagnabbit!! Cheers.

Yep, that's got to be it, I have that demo installed so it must be the watermark as mentioned here.  Dang!  I thought it was going to be a home run!  $495.00 though... ouch!  Anyway, we now know MLV and RAW can be directly used in PPro CC (via a plugin) and we know what kind of plugin.  Maybe some of the other Dev/Programmers associated with this community can come up with a free or almost free version that works just as well, then we are all in business.  Sigh...  :-[  I really thought this was gonna be the big breakthrough!

now i found out that its the drastic MediaReader worstation that enable premiere pro import mlv or raw directly. and the triangle is the watermark since you are using trial version. to get rid of the triangle u need to buy drastic media reader.
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Yep, me too... here is the missing link...

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8627.new#new

Oh... hear that air being let out?   SSSSSssssssssssssss..... 

$500 to open mlv in PP.... thats nuts.

But, since Drastic is on this forum...

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8627.0

they may be able to come up with a more reasonable solution for all of us Indie film makers as they must clearly know most people can't afford this ($495.00).

and i hoped to read some revolution :D

(*) 495$ is very expensive, too much.. 99$ would be ok. selling one for 495$ or 10 for 99$ ;) think about it..
(*) but, if it would import accordingly, including audio, with no glitches (and a plugin for keyframe changes of exposure fe) it would be absolutely ok in terms of efficiency.
(*) (by now) it takes me (every recording session) a few hours to get workable media for premiere.
(*) its just a "quid pro quo"-calculation - time- or moneysaver.. i'd decide for timesaving..

regards chmee

And I thought I had found some revolution!  :'(

:) what if.. :D it would be..

Ha ha ha... I was freaking out going... Oh, this is it!  A miracle!  LOL!!!  ;D  Let there be hope still.

500 bucks = too pricey.

Quote from: chmee on February 09, 2014, 01:26:01 PM
and i hoped to read some revolution :D

(*) 495$ is very expensive, too much.. 99$ would be ok. selling one for 495$ or 10 for 99$ ;) think about it..
(*) but, if it would import accordingly, including audio, with no glitches (and a plugin for keyframe changes of exposure fe) it would be absolutely ok in terms of efficiency.
(*) (by now) it takes me (every recording session) a few hours to get workable media for premiere.
(*) its just a "quid pro quo"-calculation - time- or moneysaver.. i'd decide for timesaving..

regards chmee

Quote from: 1% on February 09, 2014, 06:08:23 PM
500 bucks = too pricey.

I have to agree. Does this provide Adobe Camera Raw image adjustmesnts. I didn't think so... or does it? Having ACR, to me, justifies the $500 price tag. Not having it makes this plugin worth $10-$100. This program however does provide us with a way to make rough edits then encode to Prores using Baldand's MLRAWVIEWER https://bitbucket.org/baldand/mlrawviewer/downloads

Despite the initial excitement that I originally had when I read the first posts, I have to say that a straight .mlv import into PP isn't necessarily a good thing for my workflow. CDNG is where it's at, it's quickly becoming the standard raw format and it's only a matter of time before all major NLE's support it without any need to transcode. PP seems right around the corner from having a good stable (and non pink) support for it, Resolve is already on board (don't forget Resolve is now also an NLE), and FCP X and others are likely to follow as the Blackmagic Cameras become more widely used.

So while editing straight into .mlv might work for some, eventually I would still need to convert to CDNG anyway for finishing and final grade.

Quote from: aace on February 09, 2014, 06:26:59 PM
I have to agree. Does this provide Adobe Camera Raw image adjustmesnts. I didn't think so... or does it? Having ACR, to me, justifies the $500 price tag..

If the ACR-adjustments are changeable via keyframes, yes. statically only while import, no. thats not enough imho.

Quote from: chmee on February 09, 2014, 08:27:01 PM
If the ACR-adjustments are adjustable via keyframes, yes. statically only while import, no. thats not enough imho.

I hear you chmee. If this company is going to charge $500 for a plugin it should be just as versatile as the R3D plugin that's native to Premiere. If you check this out (https://vimeo.com/52037147) you'll see how similar color correcting R3D in Premiere is to color correcting CDNG in Lightroom, Photoshop and After Effects. This feature for MLV is worth $500 in my honest opinion. Keyframing is not worth $500. When MLV can be edited natively like R3D, Adobe Camera Raw, or something similar,  I'll be the next customer in line to purchase such a plugin for Premiere.

Quote from: aace on February 10, 2014, 12:24:24 AM
I hear you chmee. If this company is going to charge $500 for a plugin it should be just as versatile as the R3D plugin that's native to Premiere. If you check this out (https://vimeo.com/52037147) you'll see how similar color correcting R3D in Premiere is to color correcting CDNG in Lightroom, Photoshop and After Effects. This feature for MLV is worth $500 in my honest opinion. Keyframing is not worth $500. When MLV can be edited natively like R3D, Adobe Camera Raw, or something similar,  I'll be the next customer in line to purchase such a plugin for Premiere.

Hi All

  I'm one of the programmers on the plug ins.  I think there is some confusion re: the pricing.  The MediaReactor plug in was developed to allow access to real time play while recording, read access to file formats like GEN, HDR, Omneon, Lietch, Grass Valley, Pinnacle, HDCam, RMF, etc and export of broadcast and post formats.  The 500 was for all that, and we had a request from and OEM to add MLV and RAW which we did.  We then thought we would announce here in case anyone was interested.
  I completely agree that 500$ is too much if you are only doing MLV and/or RAW.  We have talked about a MLV/RAW only plug in at around 99$, but we were not sure it would be popular enough to be worth doing.  We are not looking at adding key frames or ACR at this point, so it would be as it is currently, without all the other formats.  Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers, James

Quote from: infinitebuzz on February 10, 2014, 04:12:19 PM
Hi All

  I'm one of the programmers on the plug ins.  I think there is some confusion re: the pricing.  The MediaReactor plug in was developed to allow access to real time play while recording, read access to file formats like GEN, HDR, Omneon, Lietch, Grass Valley, Pinnacle, HDCam, RMF, etc and export of broadcast and post formats.  The 500 was for all that, and we had a request from and OEM to add MLV and RAW which we did.  We then thought we would announce here in case anyone was interested.
  I completely agree that 500$ is too much if you are only doing MLV and/or RAW.  We have talked about a MLV/RAW only plug in at around 99$, but we were not sure it would be popular enough to be worth doing.  We are not looking at adding key frames or ACR at this point, so it would be as it is currently, without all the other formats.  Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers, James

@infinitebuzz I understand your hesitation in developing a specific, Magic Lantern, plugin for Premiere. The most important aspect to remember with this community is that everything is free (open source). To market such a plugin to a community accustomed to free firmware will be a marketing nightmare. Although there are many professionals here, I truly believe that the mass majority of this community consists of enthusiasts and programmers that simply enjoy unlocking the Canon camera's full potential, not making profit from production. In addition, the raw capabilities of these cameras are still being developed to this day. To make matters worse a huge number of Canon users STILL aren't aware of Magic Lantern to begin with. Mind blowing if you ask me!

Now, I don't want to discourage the creation of a Magic Lantern plugin because the potential for profit is still there. If you do pursue such a program know that there are many avenues to advertising for free to get the masses informed and on board. Hell, every new breakthrough alex, g3gg0, and 1% discovers is re-Tweeted all over the place, proof: https://twitter.com/autoexec_bin. Just so it is clear, I'm willing to buy a $99 native Magic Lantern raw plugin for Premiere Pro. I would like it to be a little more robust, like R3D features, but I understand it takes time to develop something that complicated, that works real time, with no bugs over night.

Thanks for caring!
aace

one simple way to know if it is reasonable:

open a poll and ask who would buy this MLV/RAW-only plugin version, either here on the forum or as a register-form on your product page. (apply for MLV-release)
you have a rough estimation of how many people might buy it if you look at your demo licenses given out for your MLV/RAW experiments.

the less people interested, the less effort i would put into that.
least effort: make custom builds that embed the ugly watermark in all footages except MLV/RAW.

i think $99 is a good pricing and that should be worth every cent.

@James...  Thanks for coming in here and explaining.

Drastic was kind enough to send me a license code to work with this plugin and I have been doing so all day and as is... it doesn't really do what we really need it to do, work with ACR.  Being able to work direct in PPro with native MLV/RAW is absolutely great though.  I have been testing this out all day and it definitely works very well, smooth import/editing function but with RAW you need to be able to adjust the dynamic range and you can't do that. 

Without the ability to use ACR to adjust dynamic range on import it makes the plugin much less desirable than the freely available and really awesome raw2cdng converter we already have here on this forum.  Although I love the fact I can open MLV/RAW files directly into PPro CC, without the ACR function it is not really that useful in a RAW/MLV workflow. 

Right now, I can use chmee's really GREAT (and also free) raw2cdng converter which gives me CDNG files I can open/adjust/save (batch) in Photoshop CC and then open direct in PPro CC.  That is a pretty good option for me and doesn't cost me anything, and probably the rest of us here would agree.  I also agree the plugin would have to be as versatile as the R3D plugin that's native to Premiere. 

As g3gg0 said, in a free open source environment like this it would be a tough sell unless it had all the bells and whistles.  All that being said, if the plugin worked native in Premiere with ACR functionality and as versatile as the R3D plugin is I'd buy it now.

I will say that it is very nice to be able to go straight into PPro with MLV/RAW straight off the Card/HD though.

but ;) using the importer-plugin for mlv is one step less than with my converter. one step faster to workflow. as i remember, there was a guy in the adobe-forums, complaining about missing acr-slider inside photoshop and premiere - he wasnt that clever to understand a linear versus a "photographic-like" logarithmic  approach. its not that easy, coding a whole "photographic", acr-kind module. BUT if it would exist, it would be worth its money.

@infinitebuzz thanks for coming and taking dialog with the community. i wished, adobe had these balls :)

regards chmee

Yeah, I think .mlv without ACR is a bit moot since at some point one would have to convert to a format where they could have full access to the raw data. At the very least, it would be mostly interested in those users who are typically doing all of their color grade from within PP and aren't overly fussy about getting the most out of their video quality.

Of course if ML was able to encode CDNG directly to the CF card, that's be a huge time saver, but unfortunately it's not possible.

my demands are less - as we are with 10 or 12bit linear clearly in better position for postpro, and nonetheless the sharpness-increase.. so, highlight-recovery (as in lichtroom or acr) are high hopes.. not impossible means not, its easy. who will pay for this?

With the ACR, I had a look and the ACR path is custom in Adobe.  It is not available to plug in developers.  There is the ability to add a dialog which we could put our debayer parameters in:

red gain, blue gain, exposure, white point, black point, gamma and debayer method

We already convert from the bayer to 16 bit per component RGB, so there is lots of room for high lights and low light post processing.  I like the idea of a poll on the site, but it sounds like there is no point until there are more conversion controls.  I would like to know if ACR is a show stopper.  If it is, then only Adobe can implement it.

Cheers, James

It's not a deal breaker not having ACR features however it does devalue the plugin in my opinion.  Now I don't know your end of the business and I wont pretend to know but is it at all possible to emulate the same or similar features from ACR? It's built into Lightroom, right? I use Cineform to re-encode standard H.264 video out of the camera and use the dynamic color adjustments within the Cineform metadata, which is non destructive and is rendered in real time. I know it's not easy to implement this ACR-ish functionality into your plugin but I don't want to give up on the possibility. I'm honestly drooling over the possibilities of your Magic Lantern plugin. Again you've got one buyer here. I just really, really want that additional function!

I'm not a fan of this workflow: https://vimeo.com/70637970 @ about 4:25 you see what I mean. Your plugin could be the answer everyone is looking for. ;)

Not having ACR wouldn't necessarily be a deal breaker, but there has to be something that allows for DR adjustment.  Whenever I shoot raw (90% of the time) I always open the files in ACR first to adjust exp/whites/blacks/ISO/ and so on but it is an extra time consuming step in the work flow.  If your plugin gives me a way to do it native in Premiere, done.  I'm buying.  For me, it needs to work much the same way the R3D pugin works which aace mentioned and can be seen here...  http://vimeo.com/52037147

I too am drooling over a possible plugin that allows direct import of RAW/MLV with these kind of functions.  You make it, I'm in.  There you go, you have at least a few already.  Why not start a poll or thread asking what users want.  Here, I'll start...

A plugin that allows RAW/MLV to work native in PPro with the ability to adjust RAW/MLV dynamic range etc., just like the R3D plugin does.

I am already testing in PPro with the current plugin which works fantastic, but has a few pixel issues.  If it had the DR adjustment functions, WOW!

Quote from: duey101 on February 11, 2014, 08:03:57 AM
A plugin that allows RAW/MLV to work native in PPro with the ability to adjust RAW/MLV dynamic range etc., just like the R3D plugin does.

I'm pretty sure that what you're seeing in that RED video was hardcoded by Adobe engineers into PP6 due to probably more than a little greasing from the billion dollar company that is Oakley. A pull, that I should say, Blackmagic hasn't been able to exert on Adobe quite yet since their BMCC files don't have that type of functionality at all.

I might be wrong, but I doubt that a small 3rd party coder can give you that type of functionality. As it was already mentioned, 3rd party plugins and extensions apparently can't even access ACR.

Yes, that good old grease, gotta love it.  Makes things move really well.  Well, everything is advancing so fast in the modern world I know a great solution is on its way right now.  The best thing of course is Adobe adds native MLV/RAW support, could happen.  I wonder why they never drop in here, you know they are all looking!

its, as infinitebuzz stated.. HOW MANY are we really? worth the work? Simple Calculations, if 200 are willing to buy this plugin, and every is paying 100 bucks, its 20.000$/€. thats even for a small company nearly just two months of paying costs, but coding/drilling hard a hell of a gem..

(i did a look into the sdk, for c++ i'm too clueless. BUT the big amount of already coded modules in ml could help)
 
mfg chmee

Quote from: chmee on February 11, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
its, as infinitebuzz stated.. HOW MANY are we really? worth the work? Simple Calculations, if 200 are willing to buy this plugin, and every is paying 100 bucks, its 20.000$/€. thats even for a small company nearly just two months of paying costs, but coding/drilling hard a hell of a gem..

(i did a look into the sdk, for c++ i'm too clueless. BUT the big amount of already coded modules in ml could help)
 
mfg chmee

Certainly 200 would do it, if they are out there.  We need to look at the dialog stuff to see what we can add first.

Cheers, James

Someone set up a poll already and let's find out.

I just hope that people answer honestly based on the what the plugin actually does and not what they wish it would do.

Quote from: Midphase on February 12, 2014, 03:07:48 AM
Someone set up a poll already and let's find out.

I just hope that people answer honestly based on the what the plugin actually does and not what they wish it would do.

Where is the poll?  I can't see it in the raw forum
J

Quote from: infinitebuzz on February 12, 2014, 03:42:47 AM
Where is the poll?  I can't see it in the raw forum
J

I second that. I'd like to cast a vote, please.

What about support for other NLEs? Seems like everyone has creative cloud on the brain here. I would love native AMA support in Media Composer or something for FCP X (I realize FCP7 wouldn't have any use because of ProRes 4444 limitations).

Quote from: djfremen on February 12, 2014, 05:20:47 AM
What about support for other NLEs? Seems like everyone has creative cloud on the brain here. I would love native AMA support in Media Composer or something for FCP X (I realize FCP7 wouldn't have any use because of ProRes 4444 limitations).

Hi DJFremen
 
  We do support FCP 7, QuickTime and MediaComposer AMA.  FCP X is under development.  We also support Assimilate Scratch for finishing.

Cheers, James

Quote from: aace on February 12, 2014, 05:09:33 AM
I second that. I'd like to cast a vote, please.

The poll just showed up at the top of the topic for me
J

me too. but what about is the poll now? MLV-Support with some static settings per sequence?

Quote from: chmee on February 13, 2014, 05:19:00 PM
me too. but what about is the poll now? MLV-Support with some static settings per sequence?

I think it would be a two parter:
1.  Just MLV/RAW support for Premiere, FCP 7 and MediaComposer
2.  Settings dialog per clip in Premiere (and MediaComposer if possible)
Cheers, J

I think this poll would gain a better gauge of who's interested or not if it weren't apart of the Magic Lantern Forum for two main reasons.

1)There aren't a lot of people who know about this poll, which is only displayed here in this particular post.
2)There are guests of the forums that can't cast a vote.

I believe that a poll outside of the community that can be accessed from anywhere, without signup requirements, will allow for more observations of this question and more participation from others. There obviously must be some form of order to the poll such as one vote per IP address or something along those lines to maintain the integrity of the votes. I also think the features we discussed before should be incorporated somehow into the poll. Here's an example:

Example 1) Is a native Magic Lantern raw/mlv plugin for your favorite NLE necessary to you? Yes or No

Example 2) Would you buy a Magic Lantern raw/mlv plugin, for your favorite NLE, with these features? (list features that would accompany the plugin) Yes or No

Just my thoughts.

Yes you right about the poll,
But my only interest is to see this plugin
Work in Final Cut Pro X 10.1.1,
Final Cut Pro 7 is dead. it's been  dead for
3 years now. I think you will get a better response
To this with fcpx users, just my thoughts .

Quote from: reddeercity on February 13, 2014, 06:48:12 PM
Yes you right about the poll,
But my only interest is to see this plugin
Work in Final Cut Pro X 10.1.1,
Final Cut Pro 7 is dead. it's been  dead for
3 years now. I think you will get a better response
To this with fcpx users, just my thoughts .

We are still seeing FCP 7 in larger corporate environments.  FCP-X is a target, but we tend to be getting a lot more interest from Scratch/MC/Premiere users.  Certainly around NAB we will be shipping FCP-X.
Cheers, J

Quote from: aace on February 13, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
I think this poll would gain a better gauge of who's interested or not if it weren't apart of the Magic Lantern Forum for two main reasons.

1)There aren't a lot of people who know about this poll, which is only displayed here in this particular post.
2)There are guests of the forums that can't cast a vote.

I believe that a poll outside of the community that can be accessed from anywhere, without signup requirements, will allow for more observations of this question and more participation from others. There obviously must be some form of order to the poll such as one vote per IP address or something along those lines to maintain the integrity of the votes. I also think the features we discussed before should be incorporated somehow into the poll. Here's an example:

Example 1) Is a native Magic Lantern raw/mlv plugin for your favorite NLE necessary to you? Yes or No

Example 2) Would you buy a Magic Lantern raw/mlv plugin, for your favorite NLE, with these features? (list features that would accompany the plugin) Yes or No

Just my thoughts.

That makes a lot of sense.  Also, there is no concept of cost in the poll above.  I am not sure the yes votes realize we are talking about a 99$ cost for the plug in.

I also wonder if the people voting "yes" in the poll realize that this wouldn't include ACR controls?

Quote from: infinitebuzz on February 13, 2014, 07:55:45 PM
We are still seeing FCP 7 in larger corporate environments.  FCP-X is a target, but we tend to be getting a lot more interest from Scratch/MC/Premiere users.  Certainly around NAB we will be shipping FCP-X.
Cheers, J

Look forward to using this plugin, thanks  :)

@ Midphase , yes a know there will be not Raw controls, but
fcpx handles raw very well, or I can send the clip to motion 5.0 or A.E. via the "send to" App
on maverick .

Hmm... I was just experimenting with how to make a poll and clicked the save by mistake and then you can't edit it after that (time wise).  I was going to make it for 30 days.  Even in one day with the answers it is 75% yes. 

so there is a potential for ~20 people buying it.
2k€ for making a version that "simply does" sounds reasonable.

if you get enough licenses sold, you can roll out an update as clean plugin solution afterwards.

Quote from: g3gg0 on February 14, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
so there is a potential for ~20 people buying it.
2k€ for making a version that "simply does" sounds reasonable.

if you get enough licenses sold, you can roll out an update as clean plugin solution afterwards.

Hi G3gg0

  That does sound like a good idea.  We are looking at making an install and license for just ML in Premiere, MediaComposer, QT, FCP7 (and X eventually).  I am currently travelling, but we should have a better idea when it will be available later this week.  We are also exploring the Premiere dialog option for all our raw types, including ML.  Thanks for all the comments and ideas.

Cheers, James

Sounds good, can't wait to see what happens with this.

Quote from: infinitebuzz on February 17, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
We are also exploring the Premiere dialog option for all our raw types, including ML.

+1 buyer for that plugin with at least exposure control, white balance, highlight & shadow.

If it is possible for you to add this controls, would the settings stay there if we use directlink to Speedgrade for fine tuning color correction?

One other great feature would be synced audio with mlv+sound, (or maybe it does that already? I didn't try the demo so I don't know).

Patiently waiting with credit card.

Quote from: Malex on February 21, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
+1 buyer for that plugin with at least exposure control, white balance, highlight & shadow.

If it is possible for you to add this controls, would the settings stay there if we use directlink to Speedgrade for fine tuning color correction?

One other great feature would be synced audio with mlv+sound, (or maybe it does that already? I didn't try the demo so I don't know).

Patiently waiting with credit card.

Hi Malex

  That looks like its going to happen in the second release for ML and other raw formats.  Yes, I believe SpeedGrade reads through Premiere in this case (a link rather then a direct read).  With the audio, we will automatically pick up side bar WAV or AIFF files (from field recorders).  We have added some support for the audio in MLV, but we don't have any samples yet.  We are going to make some with our camera here, but we also want some from out of house, if anyone is willing to share.

Cheers, James

All this sound great, it will put an end to all questions about which workflow is the best!
Shoot RAW --> Edit RAW --> Color RAW --> Export
No more dng, dpx or prores etc.. Just having .raw and .mlv will save us a lot of space! Thanks for making this happen :)

Any thoughts on system load implications of a native Raw workflow?
What kind of specs are we talking for realtime playback with and without CUDA/openCL?

Quote from: eyeland on February 26, 2014, 08:18:39 AM
Any thoughts on system load implications of a native Raw workflow?
What kind of specs are we talking for realtime playback with and without CUDA/openCL?

Obviously CPU is important, at least 16gb of ram, a cuda card for premiere, but the most important thing I think is the hard drives, you need to set them well, if you have 4 of them it'd be great.
1 ssd for system and apps
1 raid0 of many hdd would be great for footage.
1 for media cache, preview files, windows paging file.
1 for export.
If all are ssd at least you know there mignt not be bottleneck of data happening. But of course it's expensive :O

Quote from: Malex on February 26, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
Obviously CPU is important, at least 16gb of ram, a cuda card for premiere, but the most important thing I think is the hard drives, you need to set them well, if you have 4 of them it'd be great.
1 ssd for system and apps
1 raid0 of many hdd would be great for footage.
1 for media cache, preview files, windows paging file.
1 for export.
If all are ssd at least you know there mignt not be bottleneck of data happening. But of course it's expensive :O

Not to stray off topic, but I'm looking to build a desktop to handle raw/dng files and would be this be an okay hard drive setup?

1 ssd(256gb) for OS/apps
1 ssd(128gb) for media cache, preview files
2x 7200rpm 2TB HDD in raid 0 for raw/footage/dng
1 HDD (something like 3 or 4TB 5400rpm) for exports/misc stuff

I can't afford to have all SSD drives, but I do have 1 SSD as my OS right now so I figure to get another SSD and few HDD.

Thanks

Just make sure you backup your Raid 0 , if you lose 1 drive you loose the Raid  :'(
and all data loss. Maybe look at a Raid5 minimum 3 drive, 4 drives would better
and if you loose a drive you are Ok not to mention the increase in speed.
That's my setup Raid5 R/W 425MB/s 450MB/s  :D
Most hi-end Mother board support raid 5, Just my two cents worth.   

Quote from: reddeercity on February 27, 2014, 10:42:58 PM
Just make sure you backup your Raid 0 , if you lose 1 drive you loose the Raid  :'(
and all data loss. Maybe look at a Raid5 minimum 3 drive, 4 drives would better
and if you loose a drive you are Ok not to mention the increase in speed.
That's my setup Raid5 R/W 425MB/s 450MB/s  :D
Most hi-end Mother board support raid 5, Just my two cents worth.

Hmm that sounds like a good setup, but I won't be able to afford so many drives to do one Raid. Is Raid 0 that unreliable? I currently have 5 external hard drives (I like to backup my backups  :D)

No Raid 0 is find as long as you Have backup, I never have lost a Raid 0 yet, but the possible is there.
you could also look at a raid 0+1 which is just a mirrored raid 0 which there again you need 4 drives
but there is redundancy there. One more option is to look at 10,000 rpm WD VelociRaptor 600gb I run them in my
Server , Workstation &  my Older MacPro. There are Cheap now days, just a thought. :)

This is great James.  I can say that working with the plugin as it exists right now is a joy.  Having the ability to adjust exposure control, white balance, highlight & shadow is important as Malex mentioned is important.  If we could use it with ACR even better, but I don't know the tech side of things or how that could be accomplished (if it could).  But if it was, then you have the "Holy Grail" PPro CC plugin.  The one thing about raw import as I am using it now is the ability to open it in ACR which gives you a huge advantage from the start of your work flow. 

Shoot Raw>Edit Raw>Color Raw>Export Raw> +1 on that.

This is of course the workflow we all want.   

Quote from: Nang on February 28, 2014, 02:50:21 AM
Hmm that sounds like a good setup, but I won't be able to afford so many drives to do one Raid. Is Raid 0 that unreliable? I currently have 5 external hard drives (I like to backup my backups  :D)

It not that it's unreliable, it just that if one of the drives crashes you won't be able to recover any data :O so that's why it important to have another drive to backup the raid0.

this discussion is totally OT.
but i want to add my 2c:

Single disk failure probability is P(A) for disk1 and P(B) for disk2.
iirc the probabilities are like that:

RAID0 is less reliable than a single disk, but faster if you use striping.
probability of failure is P(A) + P(B)

RAID1 is more reliable than both, but has not more disk space than a single disk.
probability of failure is P(A) * P(B)

RAID5 uses three disks and provides the same reliability as RAID1
probability of failure is a bit more complex but assuming the disks are uniform.
(P(A) + P(B) - P(A) * P(B)) * (P(A) + P(B) - P(A) * P(B))

Quote from: Malex on February 28, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
It not that it's unreliable, it just that if one of the drives crashes you won't be able to recover any data :O so that's why it important to have another drive to backup the raid0.

Quote from: reddeercity on February 28, 2014, 04:13:34 AM
No Raid 0 is find as long as you Have backup, I never have lost a Raid 0 yet, but the possible is there.
you could also look at a raid 0+1 which is just a mirrored raid 0 which there again you need 4 drives
but there is redundancy there. One more option is to look at 10,000 rpm WD VelociRaptor 600gb I run them in my
Server , Workstation &  my Older MacPro. There are Cheap now days, just a thought. :)

Quote from: g3gg0 on February 28, 2014, 01:14:26 PM
this discussion is totally OT.
but i want to add my 2c:

Single disk failure probability is P(A) for disk1 and P(B) for disk2.
iirc the probabilities are like that:

RAID0 is less reliable than a single disk, but faster if you use striping.
probability of failure is P(A) + P(B)

RAID1 is more reliable than both, but has not more disk space than a single disk.
probability of failure is P(A) * P(B)

RAID5 uses three disks and provides the same reliability as RAID1
probability of failure is a bit more complex but assuming the disks are uniform.
(P(A) + P(B) - P(A) * P(B)) * (P(A) + P(B) - P(A) * P(B))

AWESOME!! Thanks guys for all the info! Guess I'll have to figure out my budget. Hopefully this MLV raw file native support plugin will be available at a lower price so I can push harder to build

ok wow i didnt know this one really , always use the MLV2DNG -__- mega long workflow !

thanks duey for this topic !   :D work great in Premiere Pro CC 2014 , but only problem is that ' play ' icon thaat appear in the clip ,
anybody know what is doing there and how to get rid of the icon ?? and some defect on some line

(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/NEMESISG5/333333_zps9c19bbad.jpg~original)

Bump - Has there been any progress on this guys?

it's very bad plugin(((

(http://cs609420.vk.me/u6165814/docs/0fded764f84e/Bez_imeni-1.jpg?extra=Dg0Lpw7Nz07AI89S2EFYxufoOJU696zYmrIfMgQt6q2GFls9PLrcqmt8ksr1p4O8o2mPJA7U-A9nnAeW8EmtDjkkNInfHA)

ACR (VisionLOG) vs. native MLV from Drastic Media Reactor

QuoteThe Magic Lantern firmware has a new supported file format for raw bayer that includes a lot more metadata, audio and general structure.  The Magic Lantern Video (MLV) format can be played in some Drastic software and will soon be fully supported for display, editing and conversion.

http://www.drastic.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=204:supported-raw-camera-formats&catid=59&Itemid=94

Any progress on this thing yet? It'd be good to see a 100% working plugin for PP CC.

Any update on this plug in? I would definitely be a buyer, even if only for the ability to edit straight from mlv.

Hi Guys!
I have a lot of raw footage, shot on 5D3, classic RAW container, not MLV and i need something like MRWS to easily handle in premiere cc 2017.
Mrws is work fine for me, but this plugin is a tonns of money.
Any suggestions?
I try to avoid dng converting.
Thanks in advance.