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Author Topic: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras  (Read 316987 times)

Roman

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Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« on: June 06, 2013, 08:54:13 AM »
Hey, I thought I would put together a quick comparison of where things are currently at with raw video for each camera type, and what the comparative upsides/downsides/limitations/strengths/etc of each are.

I've listed them top to bottom, of which to my understanding are currently the best options.

Here's a google docs version that you can edit:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5

Note:  The image below is simply a screenshot of the chart, and may not contain updated accurate information.  Please visit the link above for the latest updated chart.


« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 09:08:22 PM by Audionut »

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 09:00:12 AM »
5d2 max is not at 1080p . It is 1880x1058 at 16:9 and its only at around 349ish frames.

Max stable and continuous is 1880 x 854 at 2.20:1.

Max stable and continuous at 16:9 ratio is 1720 x 968.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 09:05:59 AM »
Okay thanks... Yep if people can specify exactly which resolution each camera is capable of in 16:9 @ 24fps then I'll update it to show the resolutions instead.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 09:09:40 AM »
Buffer size: average on 5D3 (4x32). 60D is the leader here (almost 9x32), so it can record for a few seconds at max resolution.

Speed: 5D3 has around 90 (100+ is only in photo mode), 5D2/50D have around 60, 6D has around 40.

Resolution: 5D3 does full 1920x1080, I think some users reported even 1920x1280 (not sure if continuous). In crop mode, it goes to around 3584x1320 or something like this, for a few seconds.

Aliasing: almost none on 5D3, bad on all others.

Low light: 6D, 5D3, 5D2, all others.

7D should be red.

Also add the 500D.

Would be nice to have a spreadsheet that we can edit.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 09:48:57 AM by a1ex »

Roman

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 09:38:21 AM »
Thanks for the information - Yes I'll work on a better format that's updatable, later tonight.

However in the meantime if anyone's able to fill in any of the blanks as per above, appreciated.

Interesting to know about the 60D buffer - If only it had the CF slot.

Interesting about the 6D record rate too.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 09:43:31 AM »
I believe you can find some data here:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Canon/

Instead of "very large" maby replace with actual numbers?

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2013, 09:53:00 AM »
Yep I've updated so far with the numbers that Alex has provided - Is there any way I can find out buffer size etc for the cameras I own? As I could add 50D and 600D buffer sizes if so.

Most of the information left which needs filling in is ML related, so cant find it by looking at camera specs alone.


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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2013, 10:23:31 AM »
550D with mk11174's "ML_Mem_All_Fix2" build gives 896x512/23.976fps (video mode) or 24.000fps (photo mode) as maximum continuous shooting resolution with 16x9 aspect ratio. For widescreen, this build will also shoot 1216x416/23.976fps continuously. I had Hacked Mode on the whole time, but not sure if this has any effect at all.

Tip: Download and install the trial of GoPro Cineform Studio Premium and you can view your raw clips as video in more-or-less realtime after converting them to .dng's. Pretty cool. Cheers!

EDIT: Using SanDisk ExtremePro 95MB/s 8GB SD card, formatted with exFAT and 16384KB clusters (Allocation Units). Not sure if exFAT is relevant or not. I did some pretty thorough testing of FAT32vsexFAT and Write/Read speeds seemed almost identical using Atto Disk Benchmark. Of course you NEED exFAT to record clips bigger than 4GB. I tested my setup up to over 6GB, file was fine, extracted .DNG's without a problem using RAW2DNG_Batchelor_1.1 (the newer versions gave me problems so I've stuck with this one).
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2013, 11:22:12 AM »
Maybe add in the max number of frames per highest resolution.  And perhaps the resolution of constant record/no dropping.

As first posts go...  This one was truly terrible, I apologize...  Ill improve I swear

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 02:57:05 PM »
Very useful chart. We need more of these :-) Thanks.
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 04:05:08 PM »
what is buffer size NxNN format ? For 550D there is a shoot_malloc of 75Mb, but where to find NxNN equivalent format ?  :o
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 04:11:03 PM »
Here's a google docs version that you can edit (I've hijacked the first post):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQ2MOkAZTFHdFFIcFp1d0R5TzVPTVJXOEVyUndteGc#gid=5

Buffer size is displayed when you hit record (e.g. 32+32+32+32 = 32x4).

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 04:13:38 PM »
Ahh great stuff! Thanks.

600D buffer is 30+25

And 50D is 27+27+27+27+27+27   (27x6)
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 04:40:40 PM »
600D buffer is like 31, 30, 28... + still some blue chunks left.


6D can do 7*32 (photo) so close to 5D series.


EOSM-M is close to 600D... 32, somethin, 2something. Write speed == 6D (same controller).
Idle LV is squished like 720P.. zoom mode hard to get into but not squished.

BTW, fps calculations off on 6D.. I can manually get a 23.976 with mostly unrestricted shutter but the calculator comes up with some wack 1/x to 1/100 or something like that.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 04:42:31 PM »
Does the indicated buffer change, depending on settings? As I get the 30+25 for 600D and that's it.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 04:44:30 PM »
For sure... NR/Multi shot/pic quality all affect it.

For the 103M you need the sraw hack on 600D.

For decent buffers on 6D/EOSM (unusable without) you need to turn on multi shot NR.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 05:37:01 PM »
Hi all,

I'm a professional photographer, but I'm a ML newbie & this is my first post.
I've added a column to the Google doc for "Max res at 30p continuous"... I hope nobody minds!
I added the column because 30p is important for a lot of people. I'm going to be buying either a BMPC4K or a 5D3 based on what the devs here are able to squeeze out of the 5D3.

By the way, my INFINITE thanks to all the devs here who've volunteered so much of their time and expertise making these cameras better for everyone.  :)

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 10:08:14 PM »
500D :
Buffer size - 2x27 + 20
Max resolution 1080p no crop (max 20FPS) - 1584 x 1060 (dng silent pic - 1590 x 1060)
Max resolution in crop (max 22FPS) - 2000 x 838

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 10:18:40 PM »
For 5DIII the maximum continous recording on my cards is 1920x1152 and I know a lot more users who can easily record in that resolutions.

UPDATE: I can confirm that with latest build I can easily record 1920x1280 continuous recording on 5DIII with the Hoodman Steel 64gb cards.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 11:09:44 AM by KMA_WWC »
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 12:44:26 AM »
I cannot understand the column :

Max resolution
1280x720
50/60fps

1280x720 no cropped, cropped, or what ?
In what way the fps are related to resolution here ?  ???
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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 12:51:01 AM »
Set 1280x720 from Canon menu and see what you get. The image is usually stretched, you need to find by how much.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 12:53:13 AM »
I've changed the "Record time @ 16:9 almost 1080p 24fps no crop": it should be 1728x922 = 108 frames (not silent pic, which i think it was before - if you change back to SP figure it should read 72 frames).

Problem with 60D is that there seem to be 2 different models - one produces more frames than the other.
So getting accurate figures is going to be a struggle.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 01:07:56 AM »
16:9 is 1728x972 on 60D. The mod32/64 restriction is no longer there.

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 10:12:07 AM »
Still need some input regarding:

- links to confirm the numbers, especially max resolutions for continuous recording (24/30p) and max recording times at best quality (follow the example from Dario Paganini)
- double-check the entries with a question mark (and the others too)
- numbers for 6D, 650D, EOS-M, 1100D
- all other empty cells
- for 5D2/50D continuous 30p I expect identical figures
- for 6D/650D/EOSM 30p I expect identical figures

Thanks!

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Re: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 08:15:05 PM »
I tested the EOS M. I'm not sure, if i did everything correct, so i post it in the thread instead of adding it directly to the sheet.

Max resolution 1920x1080 no crop: 1728x672
Max resolution 1280x720 50/60fps: I'm not sure what this exactly means. If i change the video mode from the camera it doesn't affect anything at the raw video recording settings. So i can still select 1728x672.
Max resolution in crop mode [2]: 2496x1056 (19 frames on 30p)
Max res for 24p continuous rec: 1216x672
Max res for 30p continuous rec: 1088x640 (maybe 1024x576, ML says you can just expect 600-10000 frames in 1088x640, but buffer doesn't seem to fill up)
Record time at 16:9 almost 1080p 24fps no crop: 1728x672 -> 92 frames
Comments:
1. Recording without crop leads to squeezed image.
2. FPS override doesn't seem to work with crop. At least for me it doesn't work, maybe anyone else can confirm that. Works with high jello.

The absolute maximum of recordable pixels seems to be around 20000000 pixels per secound (~ 35 mb/s). With that number each possible resolution-frame combination can easily be calculated. Maybe that value should be added to the sheet.
So for example it should be possible to record 1920x434 24p
1920*434*24 = 19998720 < 20000000
Or 1920x1080 with 9,6 fps.
1920*1080*9,6 = 19906560 < 20000000
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 09:43:54 PM by mixer2 »

 

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