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olik

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« on: May 15, 2013, 08:19:46 AM »
Hey folks,

I thought to open a specific topic for all discussions related to raw video on the 5dmk2.

Build 21 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads
Build 20 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://bitbucket.org/a_d_/magic-lantern/downloads
Build 19 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/a75c4a74d4b9.zip
Build 17 Mai by forum member "a.d." https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/dd53ca8bbeab.zip
Build 16 Mai (updated) by forum member "a.d." https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13314708/5D2_20130516_evening.zip
Build 15 Mai by forum member "d" https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgb2UtVE1SUy0yeTQ/edit?usp=sharing


Here is an easy guide on how to shoot raw with the 5dmk2 by forum member "CrewOfOne"  http://crewofone.com/2013/how-to-shoot-raw-video-on-your-canon-5d2-5d3-or-6d

Here are some of my resolution tests:

SanDisk 16GB Extreme Pro 600x
Magic lantern Build 16Mai 17:14

1440x840@25 =  until 4GB limit                  50,7MB/sec
1644x900@25 = 1683 frames                     56,3MB /sec
1738x840@25 = 423 frames                        57.1MB/sec
1880x720@25 = 1531 frames (regression)   57,3MB/sec
1880x768@25 = 867 frames                        58,4MB/ sec
1880x840@25 = 213 frames                    ca 58,6MB/sec



Thanks
Oli
« Last Edit: June 17, 2013, 07:35:59 AM by olik »

avasarin

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 08:33:03 AM »
I can not find it anymore in the forum how to add different resolutions, I would like to test those:
1440x810 (16:9)
1440x778 (1.85:1)
1600x865 (1.85:1)
1880x787 (2.39:1)

You mean not the standard ones in the menu, but a customized resolution?
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2013, 08:36:57 AM »
yep.
All though I have no clue how to calculate bit rates, I want to find out what the highest resolutions in 16:9 / 1.85:1 / 2.39:1 can be on the 5dmk2 with try and error.

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2013, 08:40:39 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 08:44:17 AM »
Don't know about bitrates, but till now the MAX resolution(after my tests) without framedropping is 1880x720...With or without global drawn.
This res is the closest to your wanted 1880x787.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 08:49:25 AM »
Yes, but the aspect ratio is not really 2.39:1,  I also think most people want 16:9, so at the moment people would need to choose 1280x720, but if  1880x720 works witout problems, then, I am sure 1600x900 should be doable too. This would be a fair increase from 720 and still be 16:9.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2013, 09:10:36 AM by olik »

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 08:54:06 AM »
of course. The great thing is that every day there's an improvement. Maybe if I give up for a week I will find an usable 4K RAW mode  ;D

Anyway I will try an upscale from 720p to 1080p, maybe the RAW res will hold it up!
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 08:58:07 AM »
someone already posed some tests, where he upscaled raw 720p to 1080 and compared it with h264 1080. Conclusion, the raw 720 is still sharper than 1080 h264 :-)

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 09:09:36 AM »
Great thread!

That's also the maximum frame sizes I can get 1880x720, unless I go to 30fps mode, then I have to go even lower.

Does anyone here uses a mac for all the workflow this needs?



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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 10:47:19 AM »
MkII video of shiny and detailed objects with resolution charts at the end.
This also shows the importance of using the mosaic filter for the mkII.
Since I don't have a fast CF card yet, I just coaxed my poor 133x CF to capture what it could.. :(

For those wanting to see upscaled 1280x720 from the mkII, most of the video was shot at this resolution.

« Last Edit: May 15, 2013, 11:10:30 AM by ted ramasola »
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 11:08:41 AM »
Thanks Ted for your test, and thanks to all the magic lantern team for so good work.
I own a 5d mark2 and think that besides resolution of raw, the most important thing is the choices we'd have in postproduction. I made some tests colour correcting with mark3 footage and it is awesome. No bandings, no artifacts, and to me is a relief get rid of h264 codec.

Thanks all and sorry for my english.

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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 11:19:51 AM »
Has it been already tested whether a very fast (Komputerbay 1000x) Card even brings any advantages over slower Cards (around 600x) in the 5D2?
I'm just trying to find the cheapest card that is fast enough for not getting any limitations. Or isn't that already clear at the moment (in terms of upcoming possibilities)?
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 11:24:23 AM »
Has it been already tested whether a very fast (Komputerbay 1000x) Card even brings any advantages over slower Cards (around 600x) in the 5D2?
I'm just trying to find the cheapest card that is fast enough for not getting any limitations. Or isn't that already clear at the moment (in terms of upcoming possibilities)?

I'm also like you, waiting for someone with a 5d2 and a fast card to confirm the performance gains. I hate to buy expensive card only to know it could have been done cheaply.

I saw some testers using 600x cards and they say they had drop frames at higher resolution.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 11:28:00 AM »
I'll receive my Komputerbay 1000x card tomorrow and make some test shots.

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 11:33:53 AM »
I'll receive my Komputerbay 1000x card tomorrow and make some test shots.

Your feedback from your tests would be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 11:42:22 AM »
I'll receive my Komputerbay 1000x card tomorrow and make some test shots.

Would be interesting to see what your findings are, I've ordered one oft hose Komputerbay cards too.
Haven't tried the raw_rec yet but presumably need firmware 2.1.2 for the faster cards to work?

Has anyone put together a rough guide on the whole setup for 5d mk2?
thanks

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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 11:56:07 AM »
Yeah, that would be great.
It would be helpful to know at what speed the internal controller of the 5D2 reaches its peak. Or isn't that the case?

@ t2scorp
Do you also have a 600x or 800x card?

@ Pat1
A brief guide to get the right version that worked for me:

I took the latest nightly for the 5D2
http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/archive/

Then you need the RAW Module and just put it on the card
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34569#msg34569
In ML you need to load the module under the "M" register.
You now have the "RAW Video" button in the video register.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 12:04:53 PM »
With my SanDisk Extreme 60 mb/s I am getting about 300 frames at 1880 x 720 until it starts dropping frames and continuous recording at 1280 x 720, too bad the moire is so bad, it appears in places I wouldn't expect usually...
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 12:09:47 PM »
Heyhey guys.. couldn't sleep this night because of that raw news.. :D

can someone reupload the raw module for the mk2.. link from coutts is down since i've tried it

thank you so much

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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM »
Yeah, that would be great.
It would be helpful to know at what speed the internal controller of the 5D2 reaches its peak. Or isn't that the case?

@ t2scorp
Do you also have a 600x or 800x card?

@ Pat1
A brief guide to get the right version that worked for me:

I took the latest nightly for the 5D2
http://nanomad.magiclantern.fm/nightly/archive/

Then you need the RAW Module and just put it on the card
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg34569#msg34569
In ML you need to load the module under the "M" register.
You now have the "RAW Video" button in the video register.


Thanks a lot, will try it tonight.

Would be good to see when someone gets 1080 working how it compares to 5d3, I suppose the difference is aa filter?

Also using OSX, any issues with this?
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2013, 12:43:13 PM »
Would be interesting to see what your findings are, I've ordered one oft hose Komputerbay cards too.
Haven't tried the raw_rec yet but presumably need firmware 2.1.2 for the faster cards to work?

Has anyone put together a rough guide on the whole setup for 5d mk2?
thanks
UDMA7 is available since firmware 2.0.9.

@ t2scorp
Do you also have a 600x or 800x card?


No, the fastest card at the moment is a 30mb Sandisk and i get quite a long time 1280x720 without dropping frames.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2013, 01:56:41 PM »
Hi, I'm new to this forum, and quite new to ML.
I have tried to read most of the posts about raw recording on 5d mark II, but I can't understand all of it.

Basically, all I need is a full HD 1920x1080 raw at 24fps (or 23,976). If it's possible also at 25fps that would be good.
Is this possible, or is this only possible with the 5dmark III? What about the 6d?
(I btw have a SanDisk Extreme Pro at 90mb/s)

I know it's under development, but if someone knows the answer already, I would really appreciate it!

Thanks!

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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2013, 02:22:02 PM »
Hi iverha,

at the moment it's not possible to record fullhd with the 5d2.
The best resolution you can record at the moment is 1880x840 and it still skip frames with an lexar 1000x because the controller of the 5d2 is not fast enough.




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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2013, 02:43:47 PM »
Here is one of my first tests with raw video on the 5dmk2, will post a prores 422hq very soon.


here is the video in prores 422 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzDGCq2guBAgYndOMy1veUlFNDg/edit?usp=sharing
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2013, 03:15:47 PM »
Hi iverha,

at the moment it's not possible to record fullhd with the 5d2.
The best resolution you can record at the moment is 1880x840 and it still skip frames with an lexar 1000x because the controller of the 5d2 is not fast enough.

Do you have a source? I am in doubt buying an 600x or 1000x card depending on the performance diff.