Author Topic: C200 RAW 4K internal  (Read 2232 times)

D_Odell

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C200 RAW 4K internal
« on: May 31, 2017, 07:48:26 AM »
https://www.cinema5d.com/canon-eos-c200-internal-4k-raw-affordable-price/

Interesting for sure! ML team must made an fortune 😏
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2017, 08:17:09 AM »
I find this very interesting
Canon Cinema RAW Light

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The C200 also introduces a new recording format: Canon Cinema RAW Light. Canon claim it will offer the “same flexibility in colour grading as Cinema RAW in a smaller file size.” Using it will make the most of the sensor’s dynamic range (a claimed 15 stops) but will be recordable internally. Using this mode means writing to a CFast 2.0 card and will allow 10bit (60fps) or 12bit (30fps) 4K DCI recording at a data rate of 1Gbps. Canon say that from their testing they’ve been getting around 15 minutes of record time from a 128GB CFast 2.0 card. You can also record 2K proxies to the internal SD card slots at the same time.
Having the ability to record RAW (even if it is light version) internally without having to go to an external recorder is impressive for a camera at this price point. This is also going to be welcome news for those shooters who want to use the C200 on a gimbal or keep their camera size to a minimum.
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At launch the only confirmed NLE to definitely support Canon Cinema RAW Light natively will be Blackmagic’s Davinci Resolve .......... Apple have committed to supporting the codec ‘In a future version’ of FCP X.

Finally native canon raw in fcpx that's the best news  :)

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4K Cinema RAW Light 1Gbps VBR
must be 50 or 60fps I think
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2017, 09:44:12 AM »
Finally native canon raw in fcpx that's the best news  :)
Yepp! But FCPX is non standard so an update to PPro and other would be great.
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 11:08:25 AM »
Canon is reading these forums and get's their inspiration from here  ;D

Raw cinema light....sounds like magic lantern compressed raw.
10 bit and 12 bit recording options, nice multiple bit options, where's the 14 bit option Canon  :P

Must say the word affordable is subjective  :-\


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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 07:52:35 PM »
WOW.. Magic Lantern inspired all the way, but it's a great chess move by Canon.  5D3 3K - 4K I think will be on par with the C200 4K so I'm good to go :)

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 06:09:28 AM »
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4K DCI recording at a data rate of 1Gbps. Canon say that from their testing they’ve been getting around 15 minutes of record time from a 128GB CFast 2.0 card.

1Gbps (gigabits per second) = 125MBps (megabytes per second)

15 minutes x 60 sec x 125MBps = 112.5GB

Ok--they aren't exaggerating.
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 08:58:01 AM »
so the speed is basically CF+SD spanning on 5D3. 120 MB/s

Now we just need that Raw Light on our cams ;)
once you go raw you never go back

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 08:13:44 PM »
The C200 records raw only on CFast 2.0 cards which are much faster than CF+SD (spanning or not) on a 5D3.
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2017, 09:19:12 PM »
It was a joke. But still only requiring 125 MB per Second for that 4k RAW, that is some two-outs and two-ins ;)
once you go raw you never go back

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 04:13:11 AM »
Looks like it might do proxy too. Very nice camera. But it's a fairly heavy price tag even on body only but I feel like I would invest in this VS BMC I think.

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 06:33:04 PM »
I think the BMD ursa mini 4k, at $3000 (with a global shutter), and the 4.6k at $5000 (body only) also played a part in getting Canon to move.
They also do 4k raw light (12 bit raw), but it seems to me that they both are potentially better value than the C200 4k light raw.
However I am going by spec sheets, as have used neither BMD.  Sony of course is having great success with their log formats shooting 4k, so it seems between ML 10bit 4k raw, BMD ursa mini 4/4.6k 12 bit raw, and Sony we can expect even more affordable 4k raw from Canon.
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2017, 07:43:59 PM »
Can't help but also feel exited about Panasonics EVA1 cam. The internal (without knowing anything about the sensor seems really exiting. Also with the ability to shoot RAW (if you must) in 5.7K, post update (probably expensive?)) is really cool. Also the ability to have old lenses and get better reading to the sensor with there axis stabilization. Cool. https://www.cinema5d.com/panasonic-au-eva1-unveiled-compact-rich-in-features-and-under-8000/
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2017, 07:45:49 AM »
Found a link to some Pre Production C200 Raw CRM Sample files here I think the new Resolve "14" can read them , i haven't tried yet I think there are UHD 3840x2160, alone with the CRM raw files there are some sample UHD H264 MP4 . If you follow the youtube link it goes to a dropbox , Here is the direct link to the C200 CRM + the UHD H264 Mp4 files , don't wait to long before there are gone . The mp4 are in log but look very good , enjoy  :D

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2017, 05:17:36 PM »
Philip Bloom review -- after a two year break from doing camera reviews he checks out the C200

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2017, 09:48:40 PM »
Found a link to some Pre Production C200 Raw CRM Sample files here I think the new Resolve "14" can read them , i haven't tried yet I think there are UHD 3840x2160, alone with the CRM raw files there are some sample UHD H264 MP4 . If you follow the youtube link it goes to a dropbox , Here is the direct link to the C200 CRM + the UHD H264 Mp4 files , don't wait to long before there are gone . The mp4 are in log but look very good , enjoy  :D

is the UHD H264 MP4 on the c200 the same as on the C300

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2017, 05:49:34 PM »
I really don't understand Canon. They don't give their DSLRs RAW goodies or better codecs in fear of taking out there Cine line, right? But they give their cheaper Cine line camera better specs then there more expensive Cine cams.... They make no sense and their product specs are all over the place.

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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2017, 10:25:17 AM »
I really don't understand Canon. They don't give their DSLRs RAW goodies or better codecs in fear of taking out there Cine line, right? But they give their cheaper Cine line camera better specs then there more expensive Cine cams.... They make no sense and their product specs are all over the place.
Makes perfect sense if they believe the tv productions will continue to shoot on their c cams with prores 4444 options and if commercial what's a cheaper lighter raw can there is one now with canon colour space. If bigger budget why shoot. Canon over preferably Arri or second RED? They make money splitting the product line. Buyers are not so happy off course.

Edit: but as one Canon representative said, they make money on their lenses not so much compared with c cameras.
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Re: C200 RAW 4K internal
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2017, 06:32:04 AM »
is the UHD H264 MP4 on the c200 the same as on the C300
No --it's just consumer mp4 , where as c300 uses avchd . See below "Codec ID mp42" although it is in Full range.
There's  talk of AVCHD like the c300 , so who know .
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