5D IV / C

[SiSS]

Sweet, sweet CR2 level rumor at always reliable Canonrumors:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/possible-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-spec-talk-cr2/
CR2 means the good stuff. Lately the 5D s and r were first leaked correctly at Canonrumors.

If I'm not mistaken 5D s and r were related to earlier 1D models and this one is most likely based on the 1D C sensor, as there's 18mp "only". That will be great tough, for video, as 18mp is 5208 x 3477 making good quality 4K possible, and most likely keeping costs on current level. There is also EOS-1D X Mark II coming that will issue other needs. Also s and r have their place. So this is almost like made for ML movies.

Also it seems that stalling to buy current CF cards more than absolutely needed, is paying off. CFast is coming like hoped. Double. And that's the future for long time. Probably the greatest news for ML devs.

In theory this means that the current Magic Lantern limitations of 5D3 speeds would be gone and in 12 to 24 months we could get 4K Raw out of that baby... in Canon quality package.

EDIT: Changed the name of the topic. Original was:   5DIV / X - CFast - 4K - less than 12 months - Canonrumors [CR2]

[budafilms]

It's a Rumor. I think its very weird after all the interviews from canon around the web, repeating that are not interesting in the video market in DSRL, present a third model of 5D ( in the same year).

Canon it's the most classical company in the world. The IBM of cameras.

Anyway, I hope get 4K from 5d R.

[SiSS]

There are rumors and then there are rumours.
That place has been good for years, check out their forum.
Also notice how there's some nice interviews with Canon big chiefs.

Here's an older rumor, nobody believed that, "three cameras, hu..."
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/01/eos-5d-mark-iii-replacement-talk-cr2/

Even older "50mp, two variants, no way"
http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/11/another-50mp-ff-dslr-mention-cr2/

50mp in CR3, december 17th
http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/12/high-megapixel-camera-coming-in-2015-cr3/


Anyway AxiomGamma not until 2017
http://youtu.be/g49iStiio4s?t=13m4s

So I'll bet you, my first 4K raw comes from this baby.


Edit: for those who are interested about C300, NAB is the date
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/whats-next-from-canon-nab-and-beyond/
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/more-confirmation-eos-c300-mark-ii-will-be-4k/
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/more-canon-eos-c300-mark-ii-talk-cr1/

[chmee]

@SiSS
if you will code it, yes. Times have changed. the apertus axiom beta will roll out from apr/may 2015 and the enthusiasm on ml-development is going down - and its nothing bad with it.  i believe in a 5D IV in 2015, but its primarly intended as a "Machine for Photography", 4K is a Gadget, they have to give.

[SiSS]

It might be four 5D cameras this year:

5D IV
5D C

http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/a-suggestion-on-the-eos-1d-c-replacement-cr1/
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=25259.0

[CR1] so only speculation, but hey who would believe 5DS / 5DSR and those where based on 1D.  So the 1D C replacement sounds realistic.

[CR] explained:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=816.0

[SiSS]

chmee - are you sure.

Watch this, AXIOM Team Talk - Volume 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g49iStiio4s

I'm not sure are you with the Devs here, but if not, Magic Lantern is talked on that video. And I wish all the good to these guys, however its all in between the lines.
Axiom Beta will really be Beta, it's not 5D comparison, it's comparison for Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera and such. Why, because it's all new. Give a decade for these guys and then their in the competition.
For filmmakers there's too much trouble and problems of a new product ahead.

I watched Black Magic Cinema Camera progress really closely, in the end, it only works on paper.
Axiom Gamma sounds good, but it's so new stuff, and watching that video, man, 2017 is optimistic.

Then again, why should you move away from Canon 5D IV/C, with CFast 4K?
Do you think that people at ML are not interested tweaking Raw out of that?

[chmee]

i pledged as well. for me and for the ml-team. so yes, in a certain kind im a ml-dev as well (raw2cdng).

look, we just played with raw/mlv for 1,5 years - the output is great, but the way from card 'til application stays awful. the limited recording possibilities as well. axiom apertus is in every manner another point to start. opensource and (!) documented chip-design is the best you can have as a dev. look on the tedious work, reverse engineering all this canon-modules. "simple" things like downscaling bitdepth and so on, nothing's easy in a canonbody.

magiclantern showed "Hey, Guys its possible" but not "Hey, its productive".

..Do you think that people at ML are not interested tweaking Raw out of that?

i'm sure they are. but do they want to invest their time once again? for nothing? i'd be proud, if axiom would pay a1ex or g3gg0 (many others as well) for his work on axiom, not coping with free canon-code and a lot of guys with wishes and critics. clearly saying, somewhere in your life you have to decide. "no money"(ml) or "some money"(axiom).

[SiSS]

Hey I understand, and it's great!
I'm really grateful for all the work!

But there's the thing, I too am willing to work my a** off to get the results I want.

And there's the fear for me.

In my opinion, there's only two companies who have really nailed "cinematic" digital cameras. And I'm not surprised at all that film is still option for many feature projects. Those two are Arri, which have had no hurry to get in to the 4K game, because of the very reason that no resolution equals with overall sensor quality.

And the other, Canon sensors with Magic Lantern Raw tweak.

That's it.
Well Panavision, but you know.

For me GH4, A7s, F*ckin FS700, RED, Black Magic 4K etc., they all look video (imo).
Axiom ain't gonna get Arri/Canon sensors. No matter how many K's or teal&orange LUTs they throw at us.

Valid point about the money/work installed. Also open source all the way. These projects keep the Canon's giving us 5D3's etc.
Just that, I'm so disappointed at Black Magic. 5D3 just keeps working.

[KelvinK]

Agree on most points, but not with that frames from RED cameras look like video. I believe most would trade Canon with Red for just film purposes if they could afford it.

[SiSS]

Yeah maybe I throw that too lightly. I have seen some great cinematic stuff from RED that I didn't think was made with it. It's maybe more how people tend to use it. Working with newer RED's is as pro as it gets.

[SiSS]

Follow up, yesterday this hit the mailboxes:
http://www.arri.com/camera/alexa/cameras/camera_details/alexa-sxt

So it seems Arri are going for the upscale route.
It's the same sensor as in the previous XT and Classic models. 3.4 K at "open gate". And this is their new top line for at least, what 2017?
(There's been rumors tough that something is brewing from the Arri 65 set up which is only rental.)

However, once again, it's the sensor quality, not the K's.
And battle between ProRes and Raw takes a new turn

[SiSS]

Alright, Canon has been busy before NAB:
XC10
4K Reference monitor
New 4K format
C300 mark II
http://www.canonrumors.com/

The new C300 II has very impressive spec list:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/announcement-canon-eos-c300-mark-ii/

However, makes you wonder what's left for 5D IV when C300 mk II starts at $16k.

EDIT: 5D IV to use C300 II technology
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/eos-5d-mark-iv-to-use-eos-c300-mark-ii-technology-cr2/

Also the same rumor again about the split to IV and C models, both coming...
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/two-more-5d-cameras-coming-cr1/