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markodarko

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #300 on: May 17, 2016, 11:31:32 AM »
I only learned about the Axiom and that it'll be co-developed by Magic Lantern yesterday. It looks to be absolutely phenomenal, and if developments can also seep through to our Canons as a byproduct then all the better! :-)

Incidentally, I like the photo of you (@a1ex) being shown the new sensor. It looks like you're wearing it like a watch. :-D

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #301 on: May 20, 2016, 02:09:39 PM »


This is probably a good place to make you all aware that we recently put out the following:

The option to purchase an AXIOM Beta Voucher has been extended to the end of May 2016.

As you know we kept the option to acquire an AXIOM Beta at cost through the purchase of a voucher open for longer than was previously anticipated. The reason for this was because it helped to keep the cost low through bulk component buying.

Beyond the 31st of May however, it will no longer be possible for newcomers to buy a voucher.

This is a great opportunity, and if you’ve missed-out up to now but would still like to take advantage of this offer then there are a few days left for you to do so by visiting our webshop here: https://goo.gl/xYu0AB

To clarify - Irrespective of whether you choose to receive an Early Beta developer kit or a more mature version of the AXIOM Beta, possessing a voucher qualifies you to receive the camera at cost beyond May 31st.

Best regards,

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So, if you intend to buy the camera, it's a last chance over the next few days to save a good deal of money.


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« Reply #302 on: May 20, 2016, 05:37:32 PM »
@rexocrine -- that's definitely some great news. How exactly can I take advantage of this deal? Because when I click on to purchase VAT which shows me the higher price than advertised unless I'm reading the wrong one?

Also where can I get a better understanding of which sensors I would like to order to better fit with EF Lenses?

Debating between FF and cropped sensors but instincts is telling me to go with cropped but ah I ain't so sure if the shallow DOF from the cropped is worth over the FF's advantage?

I was encouraged to hear this news btw...

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #303 on: May 20, 2016, 07:25:52 PM »
I've never actually been through the current purchase process personally, but if you mean you want to purchase a voucher in conjunction with a tax break scheme ie. using a TAX code, I think what happens is you're either given an option to include this code on the order form or you include your tax code in the comment section of the order form. All the purchase process is actioned manually at our end so Sebastian makes allowances for individual requirements. Buying through the webshop is presently being simplified, however this won't take effect until after May 31st unfortunately. If you make sure to include the code and stipulate your intentions Sebastian will react accordingly though.

Any problems let me know and I'll sort it out for you.


Regarding the sensors, it depends on whether you'd choose a Developer Kit or a mature version. The Dev Kits are shipping with CMV12000 S35 only, I can't comment on what stage testing other sensors is at presently as I don't know off-hand. There's a lot of data surrounding all aspects of the camera on the Wiki page...

https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/Main_Page
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/Sensors_Table
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/AXIOM_Beta_Hardware#Image_Sensor_Frontend

... It sounds like a matter of preference on your part though, but regarding sensors, all individual requirements can be accommodated for on assembly.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #304 on: May 20, 2016, 08:52:36 PM »
I don't want to sound like I'm putting a dampener on things but for essentially a box with a lens mount with no screen, media storage (requires an external recorder) or a battery compartment I would be surprised indeed if anyone would buy it at its current retail price. No offence intended.

Nearly £5k for essentially a "base unit" is putting it up against some pretty stiff and well established competition. Competition that have support staff and phone numbers too.

As it stands now with the "voucher" price, it's head-to-head with the Blackmagic Production Cinema Camera 4k. Ok, it doesn't shoot at 300fps but it does have a built-in screen, 90min battery and records directly to 2.5" SSD drives and also has a global shutter and records in RAW. Ok, you can't change the lens mount nor the sensor, but does that really matter for most buyers?

The Axiom is pitched from the stand point that it will save you money long term as it's completely upgradable. But, in 2 years time whatever the Blackmagic Production Cinema Camera costs today, it'll be substantially cheaper for the same spec - just take a look at their non-4K version which is around £1000 cheaper.

I can't help but feel that to compete in the current climate - let alone one in 2 years time - you need to add value to your products OR sell them substantially cheaper than the competition. Or both.

As it stands now the full retail price Axiom is £1000 more expensive than the behemoth Blackmagic URSA which also has a global shutter but also has 3x screens - one of which is a 10" flip out display and two others on the side(!), a plethora of connections, interchangeable lens mounts AND an upgradable sensor, not to mention 2x CFast slots and a modular battery slot. Ok, it's not designed for the indie filmmaker but the point I'm trying to make is how much more you get for your money, perceptibly.

Now, as I see it, the Axiom's real saviour is the 300fps feature. If it can do that at 4K in RAW then that's a real selling point. Whether or not it will be enough for the indie filmmaker (who, let's be honest, is the target audience here) to take the plunge and buy an Axiom - along with a complete rig for the external recorder, batteries and screen - we shall have to see.

I really hope it does well so that it can be further developed and more value added / cost reduced but in its current incarnation something needs to change for them to fly off the shelves in my humble opinion.

But hey, what do I know. I've never designed and sold a camera in my life and would be more than happy to be proved wrong in these thoughts. :-)


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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #305 on: May 20, 2016, 11:32:06 PM »
With regards to support and phone numbers, I've a duty to assure the reader at this point that the community is on-hand to provide immediate live assistance round the clock pretty much. In addition, as each camera has its own unique IP address, and in the event that you were facing difficulties, a technical lead can jump straight in there and do the tough stuff for you.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #306 on: May 21, 2016, 07:20:43 AM »
A couple of questions.

I'm very interesting to get this camera.
But I live in South America, and I feel I can buy a problem and no a solution. Even If I can catch one in Europe in some travel.
I think I should wait for a last model, and no the beta to reduce the first adaptation to better models. Correct me, please.

I don't have lot of skills about very technical thngs, I only shoot my own movies for festivals. I know about the cameras working, I think, a lot. It's my everyday work in commercials renting different cameras. But for my art I use a 5D Mark III.

- One question is if exist a affordable recorder that can support 4K at 120/150,300 fps. I have found only the expensive atomo and blackmagic video assistant and only you can get 60 fps at 4K.
- The dinamic range it's better than a Mini Ursa 4,6K? I think you can answer this better than I can read at Google.
- After the promo, the camera will be around the double price, really?

Thank you.



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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #307 on: May 21, 2016, 10:18:26 AM »
In addition, as each camera has its own unique IP address, and in the event that you were facing difficulties, a technical lead can jump straight in there and do the tough stuff for you.

Not sure what you mean by that. It has an IP address just like any other computer (DHCP or manually configured), but it's not necessarily unique. So, you can configure your network to allow it access the internet, if you want.

Now, as I see it, the Axiom's real saviour is the 300fps feature. If it can do that at 4K in RAW then that's a real selling point.

The sensor can do 4096x3072 at 300 fps in 10-bit mode, according to the datasheet. As I've showed here, we can use a LUT to map this data to 8-bit with minimal quality loss, so a raw stream at 4096x3072 300fps 8-bit would require 3.5 GB/s.

The DisplayPort interface maxes out at 25.92 Gbit/s or 3.24 GB/s (source), so with a small crop, it should be doable.

The problem is... how do you save that image to a storage device?

- Somebody could probably design an external recorder with lots of RAM (expensive), that could save the image to some slow media afterwards.

- I guess it would only be practical if we manage to implement some serious compression in the FPGA (MJPEG?), but that's not something I expect in the next months from my side (it's not a full-time job for me).

The current implementation runs at 30 fps.

- The dynamic range it's better than a Mini Ursa 4,6K? I think you can answer this better than I can read at Google.

There are some promising experiments regarding PLR modes, but I'm not ready with the calibration. Without HDR tricks, the DR of this sensor is not spectacular at all (to me, it looks very similar to the Ursa 4K images I've analyzed earlier in this thread).



My personal opinion:

Currently it's a just a developer kit. If you plan to design a custom interface for it, or to write custom application code, without having to deal with reverse engineering, it's a nice option.

If you just want to use it for filming, and you expect it to be better than 5D3, I'm afraid it's not ready yet. It does record 4K UHD compressed RAW at 30 fps with an external recorder, it has global shutter, it runs Linux, but that's pretty much it. At this stage, you should really not be afraid of the terminal in order to use it. If you can compile ML, you'll have no problems using it.

The main selling point IMO is being able to program it without reverse engineering. This camera is not meant to get stuck at the current capabilities - they promise it will evolve and improve continuously, but that really depends on the open source community around it.

And yes, I also think the price is really high for what it does *right now*, but I'm not sure what I can do about it. Will let the Apertus guys answer this one.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #308 on: May 21, 2016, 12:38:06 PM »
An excellent reply. Thank you @a1ex. A lot there for people to digest who may otherwise be on the fence about purchasing.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #309 on: May 21, 2016, 07:25:44 PM »
Indeed an excellent reply by @a1ex and thanks to those that questioned all of this which lead to those answers as I feel better with how I stand and it'll definitely come down to cost and usefulness. Though I still believe it's quite high of a price at least for me.
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #310 on: May 22, 2016, 12:09:23 AM »
Thanks @A1ex, you are my movies  ;)

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #312 on: November 10, 2016, 10:36:00 AM »
And the team talk volume 11 !

https://youtu.be/8DmGXpMnm7M

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #313 on: January 25, 2017, 03:59:32 PM »
I hope this is the right place to post this, if not I apologize and please feel free to remove this post.

I am Beta backer and have already payed the first rate for my axiom beta camera. Unfortunately a long time has passed and I am no longer able to finance the rest of the rates.

Is anyone here interested in a transfer of my axiom beta voucher and so being able to get an axiom beta at cost ?


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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #314 on: February 23, 2017, 01:43:57 AM »
Team Talk 12.2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvFgHYnl3gg (Hardware upgrades, build timelapse and fixed pattern noise calibration demo)

We've just opened a forum - https://forum.apertus.org/index.php

Project background for any newcomers - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Project_Background

Social accounts listed - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/Social


Some more accurate enclosure renders presently being finalised.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #315 on: February 27, 2017, 06:27:46 PM »
The Apertus association was just accepted in the Google Summer of Code project. So, if you are looking for a way to implement something cool and get paid by Google, please submit your proposals by March 20.

https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4801281785856000/

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #316 on: April 14, 2017, 12:56:08 AM »
Team Talk 12.3 featured unreleased test video files.

Article can be found here - https://www.apertus.org/axiom-team-talk-volume-12.3-article-march-2017

All video files to date can be found here - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta_I:_Video

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #318 on: July 18, 2017, 06:18:51 PM »
This is really cool @rexorcine
I don't know if you're a contributor to this project, but some points:
- The last github repository commit was 3 months ago. Is it the correct repository?
- There's no license file on code tree
- As pointed here, the OpenCL and OpenFX / TuttleOFX is planned. This is great and it's the highlight of this project, in my opinion. Any possibility to enable the OpenFX pluggins for Non-Local Means Denoise and SharpenCImg (Laplacian)?
- Will it have fine control for color rendering, like Color Spaces and 3D LUT's?


The team developing OpenCine should look more into what other open source projects already did, like Natron, Flowblade, Blender and Rawtherapee. There's many libraries already implemented...

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #319 on: July 20, 2017, 12:45:37 AM »
The last github repository commit was 3 months ago. Is it the correct repository?

Yes. But some works have been continuing locally. Focus is mainly on the camera for the time being but we'd like to get more people involved with OpenCine certainly. The intention is to give it some spotlight on the Team Talk video after the one that's about to publish. There should be some footage and screens of the UI.


There's no license file on code tree

Will see what I can do.


As pointed here, the OpenCL and OpenFX / TuttleOFX is planned. This is great and it's the highlight of this project, in my opinion. Any possibility to enable the OpenFX pluggins for Non-Local Means Denoise and SharpenCImg (Laplacian)?

Anything is possible.


Will it have fine control for color rendering, like Color Spaces and 3D LUT's?

Yes, in time.


The team developing OpenCine should look more into what other open source projects already did, like Natron, Flowblade, Blender and Rawtherapee. There's many libraries already implemented...

It's one man at the moment, and he has commitments running alongside, so... Great advice all round though @bpv5P thanks for that.



New article recently published:

The Road from AXIOM Beta Developer Kit to Production Camera

See comments for expansion on shipping.

Like I say there's a Team Talk that's been shot but a couple of us are on holiday at the moment.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #320 on: July 20, 2017, 12:29:56 PM »
If all goes wrong you can use Canon sensors together with a1ex's qemu work and a raspbi and call it A1EXIOM  :P
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #321 on: July 20, 2017, 01:28:06 PM »
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call it A1EXIOM
haha, this made my day  :D.

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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #323 on: November 15, 2017, 07:16:00 PM »
Some new video went out (1080p)

Here.


First PCB prototype board design for Dual 6G SDI output (single input) for AXIOM Beta is finished and planned to premiere at 34C3.




The first revision of the new AXIOM Beta power board version 2 is done.







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Re: Apertus Axiom Beta
« Reply #324 on: November 15, 2017, 08:47:41 PM »
thanks for the update ;)
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