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Canon 5D Mark II / 5D2
« on: March 27, 2014, 08:34:06 AM »
Guide to Installing ML on 5D mkII for shooting with MLV Raw Video with Sound
As of March 27, 2014.

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A.)-What You Need
1. Your 5D2 Camera
2. Computer
3. Connection to the internet for downloading needed firmware and apps
4. CF Card, 1000X recommended for Raw video.
5. USB Card Reader, USB3.0 UDMA7 Compliant recommended.
Note#1 on Using USB Card Reader
Some CF cards like the affordable KomputerBay 64gig 1000X and higher, are known to become corrupted and is not compatible with card readers that are USB2.0.
Use USB3.0 UDMA7 compatible readers.



D.)- Installing ML on Your Camera


Installation:
1) Format the card from the camera.
2) Make sure you are running Canon firmware 2.1.2.
3) Copy ML files on the card and run Firmware Update.

Uninstallation:
1) Run Firmware Update from your ML card.
2) Follow the instructions.

E.)-Updating from ML Nightly Builds
1. With your CF card in your Card reader, copy the latest Nightly Build file you have unzipped earlier to your CF card, you will have 2 files, ML folder and Autoexec.bin. Copy both over the old ones. (No need to include the .fir file)
2. Place CF back into Camera, Turn ON, press live view, press trash bin icon to bring up ML menu, if you see the Magic Lantern info screen, just press trash bin again, you can navigate this menu via joystick(multicontroller), control dials, set button and the picture style button to access sub menus in ML.
Note#5  Accessing sub menus when in ML menu.
Pressing the Picture Style is same as Q button on other models.


F.)-Load Modules You Need
1.  With Camera ON and in Liveview, press Trash Bin to bring up ML menu,
2. Using the joystick or the front scroll wheel navigate to the MODULES Tab, then using the joystick or the rear dial/scroll wheel select the following mdules by pressing SET. You will see an ON,WILL LOAD.
    For Raw Video recording: (essentials)
   file_man
   mlv_play
   mlv_rec
   mlv_snd
   pic_view
   raw_rec (this is version one of raw and should not be used together with mlv_rec, choose one)
   For advanced stills shooting:(see relevant stills threads as I'll focus more on video shooting)
3. Reboot your camera, when ON, go back to ML menu and confirm in the Modules Tab the Modules you loaded, they will now have an OK beside them.
Later on, when you have learned more about ML, you can load and unload additional modules this way.
Note#6 Some Modules you have Loaded Still Need to be Turned ON
After you have confirmed in the Modules Tab, Modules like MLV Sound(mlv_snd.mo) and MLV Raw Video(mlv_rec.mo) has to be toggled on in the respective Raw Video and Sound Tabs. See Recommended settings part G/2, below.


G.)-Recommended Setting for your Camera (Shooting with MLV+Sound)

1. Canon Menu:
  -1st Cam Tab
   Peripheral illum.correct > disable
  -2nd Cam Tab
   color space > adobe rgb
  -2nd Play Tab   
    highlight alert > disable
    image jump > 1 image
  -1st Wrench Tab
   Auto power Off >OFF (or  8 min or 15 min depending on CF card/ 8min-32 gig /15min-64gig)
  -2nd Wrench TAB
   Liveview func/movie set> LV func.setting > Stills+movie / Screen setting > movie display
   Set correct Date and Time
  -Cfn I   
    Exposure > iso expansion > ON
  -Cfn II
   Hi ISO speed noise reduction> Disable
   Highlight tone priority> Disable
   Auto lighting optimizer> Disable

2. Magic Lantern Menu:
  -Audio Tab
   MLV Sound>ON  48khz default
   (pressing pic style then top scroll wheel will let you choose 48/44.1/22/11/8 khz)
   Headphone Mon.>ON (If you need monitoring use av cable with rca to phone jack adapter or a sesscom cable)
Note#7 MLV Sound
When MLV Sound is ON, a separate WAV file is generated at the framerate determined by your FPS setting in Canon Menu.
When FPS Override is used, only the framerate of raw video is affected, the WAV file will remain either 24fps or 30fps depending on the FPS setting in canon menu.
It is not possible to playback mlv sound in-camera.


  -Overlay Tab
   Global Draw.ON (this is the main "switch" for GD, there is another one in raw video sub menu)
   I recommend to turn OFF all other entries when shooting raw.


  -Movie Tab
   FPS override>23.976 (optimize for Exact FPS) This is necessary if you will shoot in Crop mode (link)
Note#8 FPS Over ride uses.
When recording in 3X crop mode, the default framerate is 30fps regardless of your setting in canon menu,
so activate FPS Override and set to 23.976 or 25, or 24 depending on your use.
It is important that you set this OFF when you want sound to be recorded when using native h264 mov.
Your hint is the absence of the audio meters when this is engaged.
In MLV RAW, a separate WAV file is recorded even if FPS override is used. See Audio Tab Note#7 above.

   Raw video (MLV)>ON (after pressing set to turn ON press  pic styles for more options)
   >Raw Video(MLV) sub menu
   Resolution>1728x972 (see table of what is currently continuous at different settings) http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11205.msg108936#msg108936
   Aspect Ratio>16:9 (see table of what is currently continuous at different settings)
   Global Draw>ALLOW
   Frame Skipping>OFF
   Preview>Auto
   Status when recording>Icon
   Extra Hacks>ON
   Fix Black level>OFF (turning this ON will give a pinkish shade to your raw frames-as of May15 nightly)
   Leave others at default until you have familiarized yourself shooting ML.
   >Movie Tweaks Sub Menu (these usually paertain to h264 recording)
   Movie Restart>ON (allows you unsupervised continuous recording in h264, when the 4gig limit is reached, recording restarts again, there is a 1second gap)

  -Display Tab
   LV DIGIC Peaking>Slightly sharper (Use this instead of the old peaking method, faster, more accurate)
   Advanced Settings Sub menu
   >Screen Layout>4:3 display,auto

  -Modules Tab
   See Part F.

  -Prefs Tab
   Config files sub menu
   >Config Autosave>ON
   Warnings for bad settings sub menu
   >Mode warning>other than M (warns you if you move the dial from Manual)

  -Debug Tab
   Modules debug sub menu
   >Load modules after crash>ON

After making these recommended settings, its advisable to do a camera reboot so ML can save the settings before beginning to shoot.

H.)-Shooting Raw in 1X mode or Normal mode
1. The SET button starts and stops recording for both raw video and h264.
2. Shooting in 30P is possible when set in Canon menu but only short record times is possible for bigger resolutions. (see table of what is currently continuous at different settings)
Tip: Since picture profiles have no burned in effect in RAW video recording, I increase sharpness in my pic styles to aid in focusing, in addition to using DIGIC Peaking.

I.)-Shooting Raw in 3X Crop mode
1. To activate 3X crop mode press magnify button once (5X), pressing it twice(10X) has no effect and is useful for checking focus only. So, to be clear, its not 5x crop mode, its 3X crop mode using 5X magnify.
2. After pressing magnify button, go to ML menu>Raw Video sub menu. You can now select resolutions higher than 18xx.  Highest is 2144x1076  16:9 but only for a few seconds.
(see table of what is currently continuous at different settings) http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11205.msg108936#msg108936
3. Activate FPS Override as the camera defaults to 30P in crop mode even if 24P is selected in canon menu.
In some higher resolutions or slow cards it might be necessary to use slower  FPS to achieve longer record times.
4. Viewing and framing in crop mode is challenging. There are different option in RAW Video sub menu>preview> (Auto/Canon/ML Grayscale) Default is AUTO
Auto
Canon-Gives you the "normal" Canon 5X magnification, real time color feedback but inaccurate framing.
ML Grayscale-Gives you proper near accurate framing but grayscale/low resolution/slow feed back.
5. Color viewing and slightly better preview is available for crop mode by half pressing the shutter.  You can turn ON Sticky half Shutter in ML Menu>Prefs>Misc key settings>Sticky HalfShutter>ON.
BUT this conflicts with the SET button for start and stop of recording. Workaround is, Start recording/half press to view in color, when your about to stop half press again to disengage half shutter/Stop Recording.
J.)-Viewing your Raw Files In-Camera
1. In ML Menu, go to DEBUG TAB, scroll down to FILE MANAGER,press SET,Navigate to the DCIM folder of your CF card, click SET, find and select the file you want to view.
2. Choose VIEW to playback file.
3. Press Trash Bin to activate playback controls and options. Use Scroll Dial to select option and press SET.
Note#9 Files you will expect to find in your CF Card when shooting RAW.
xxx-xxxx.MLV - Raw File containing both DNG and WAV.
xxx-xxxx.Mxx - Part of the MLV file generated if recording exceeds 4gig.
xxx-xxxx.IDX - file generated after you viewed an MLV or an Mxx file in file manager.
MLV_REC.TMP - preallocation file created when you RESERVE CARD SPACE>ON in the RAW Video submenu.
xxx-xxxx.RAW - Raw file ver.1 containing DNG frames (no audio)
xxx-xxxx.Rxx - Part of the RAW file generated if recording exceeds 4gig.
xxx-xxxx.MOV - h264 Video file
xxx-xxxx.THM - Thumbnail of the MOV file.
Note#10 Native H264 mov or JPG files cannot be played back via file manager viewer.
To View native H264 MOV or JPG Stills make sure that RAW Video(MLV) is OFF in ml menu MOVIE TAB.
Use Play Button to view MOV files.

K.)-Extracting your DNGs and WAV files.
  Windows:
   For converting MLV files to 12bit or 16bit CDNG: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5618.0
   For converting MLV Files to 14bit DNG: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=10198.msg98334;topicseen#msg98334
  Mac:
   For converting RAW files to CDNG: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6218.0

L.)-Editing the DNG/CDNG & WAV files.

Da Vinci Resolve 10 Lite (Free Application for grading and simple editing) : http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

More discussions on Post Workflow here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=54

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 08:39:26 AM »
I'll compile a simplified installer later today, so you'll be able to install directly from nightly builds.

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5DmkII Resolutions and Record Times
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 09:00:05 AM »
Resolutions and record times the 5D mkII can do with Magic Lantern using a Komputerbay 64gig 1000X CF card.

MLV raw recordings are all done with mlv sound ON unless indicated.

Tested using Mar 14-15 Nightly.



For 25P recording via 30P+fps override. tested using mar 27 nightly.

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5D mkII with magic Lantern Tutorial Links
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 09:15:17 AM »
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Tutorial video from reddeercity (David Miazga).


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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 10:57:34 AM »
So, no more post from a.d? Is this the official no more 1880 and potentially no more 1872? Does this mean we will go to solely MLV format? Thanks for your response.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 12:21:45 PM »
Maybe some a.d., Pravdomil or 1% statement ? Does the "official" releases includes some of their work ?   

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 01:05:02 PM »
It's the version from those who actually develop it.

The rest of the comments are plain trolling. I've invited a.d. to submit his changes to the main repository, raw_rec is still enabled, I already said I'll keep it until MLV will be clearly better, and resolution was already discussed in the other thread.

Work from a.d., pravdomil and 1% already included in the nightly builds:
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all?search=a.d.+a_d_
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all?search=pravdomil
https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/all?search=1%25+Percent

Constructive feedback please.

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 01:20:31 PM »
Can this thread be made to a Sticky?

Edit: Thank you!
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2014, 12:38:36 AM »
Simplified installer working :)

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 01:10:17 AM »
Works good. Changing install instructions.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2014, 05:01:36 AM »
Please make recommendations and corrections to the first post. I will add apps that are recommended to work well, especially for mac and other platforms I am not familiar with.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2014, 10:02:33 AM »
Resolutions and Record times comparison between Raw-rec and MLV raw video posted above. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11205.msg108936#msg108936
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2014, 10:19:13 AM »
Great chart, this should be very helpful in tracking down the slowness in MLV.

I've asked the 5D3 owners to do the same, since there were rumours that firmware 1.2.3 might be slower than 1.1.3: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11017.msg109169#msg109169

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Re: 5DmkII Resolutions and Record Times
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2014, 12:40:51 PM »
Resolutions and record times the 5D mkII can do with Magic Lantern using a Komputerbay 64gig 1000X CF card.

Tested using Mar 14-15 Nightly.



This seems incorrect to me. Maybe your card it's a little bit slow? I'll let you know my test.

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2014, 01:58:16 PM »
@Ted

What raw_rec version are you using in your tests?
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2014, 02:40:02 PM »
@Ted your numbers seem to be very low form your chart
My numbers are alot higher , it that with KB card only or
Other bands as well?

But I question the fact you tested at other then 23.976 or 30p
Frames per second , what's the use I think the chart should reflect
Standard Video frame rates only! Some peple may get confuse by this.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2014, 04:16:16 PM »
Different frame rates are used, to provide a larger sample size.

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2014, 11:26:03 PM »
Added chart showing resolutions and record times at 25P.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2014, 11:12:06 AM »
In crop mode I'm still seeing much better performance from raw_rec than mlv_rec. Is this to be expected?

[email protected] gets me around 20secs in mlv, as opposed to over a minute in raw. 5D2, Sandisk 1067x, 29-03-14 build, no mlv_snd.

Edit: Was looking at the 25P chart, didn't notice the crop mode figures above. Sorry.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2014, 09:36:40 PM »
A few questions regarding this thread and 5D II.

After all the fork talk and the closure of the other 5D MK II thread. I'm wondering what this thread is all about? I don't mean this in a patronizing way, I just feel like this 5D II thread won't have much to say anymore regarding development. I would like if someone could clarify a couple of things for me.

What is the point of this thread?

What is a.d.'s and pavdomils role now?

Can we ask for any features/changes in this thread or must we put everything in to feature request section? or where exactly? Cause I'm at a loss right now

What does the "forking" word actually mean? First time I heard that word was in the announcement. (kept reading it as something else too hehe)

Thank you.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2014, 10:23:51 PM »
In crop mode I'm still seeing much better performance from raw_rec than mlv_rec. Is this to be expected?

[email protected] gets me around 20secs in mlv, as opposed to over a minute in raw. 5D2, Sandisk 1067x, 29-03-14 build, no mlv_snd.

Edit: Was looking at the 25P chart, didn't notice the crop mode figures above. Sorry.

yes, that's to be expected.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2014, 04:50:05 AM »
A few questions regarding this thread and 5D II.

After all the fork talk and the closure of the other 5D MK II thread. I'm wondering what this thread is all about? I don't mean this in a patronizing way, I just feel like this 5D II thread won't have much to say anymore regarding development. I would like if someone could clarify a couple of things for me.

What is the point of this thread?

What is a.d.'s and pavdomils role now?

Can we ask for any features/changes in this thread or must we put everything in to feature request section? or where exactly? Cause I'm at a loss right now

What does the "forking" word actually mean? First time I heard that word was in the announcement. (kept reading it as something else too hehe)

Thank you.

This is a fresh canvas, most of a.d"s and pravdomils critical add ons are now added in unified, they are continuing their contributions to ML, just that its not labeled as third party anymore since the devs are now going to follow the workflow in pulling requests, and making commits. A lot of the content in the old threads are now obsolete due to major changes in code and with MLV, plus the simplification of the install process.

You can place your tests and bug reports here.

There are new users coming in everyday so we'll be trying to arrange things to be user friendly even for those who are not into the coding part of ML. Expect some changes in the arrangements and content of the sections and threads soon.
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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 10:59:38 PM »
Hello, I'm having trouble unzipping the ML file for the mkii upon download. I tried downloading and unzipping on other computers and it seems to be having the same problem. I've been looking around for another solution online or if anyone else has been having the same problem with no luck. I've unzipped files before on my Mac and have never had a problem before. I even downloaded a 3rd party unzip app but it still doesn't work. Does anyone have any suggestions/solutions? Thanks.

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2014, 12:55:33 AM »
Hello, I'm having trouble unzipping the ML file for the mkii upon download. I tried downloading and unzipping on other computers and it seems to be having the same problem. I've been looking around for another solution online or if anyone else has been having the same problem with no luck. I've unzipped files before on my Mac and have never had a problem before. I even downloaded a 3rd party unzip app but it still doesn't work. Does anyone have any suggestions/solutions? Thanks.
What third party are you using I use WinRAR on PC and its fine & just tried My MacPro with Maverick 10.9.1
All Clear there, it automatically unzip for me on the Mac in my download folder.

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Re: 5D mkII with magic Lantern
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2014, 09:16:50 AM »
april 1 build test.

Fix black level ON causing pinkish cast. I think this should be set to OFF as default.

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