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Magic Lantern Releases => Camera-specific discussion => Topic started by: Pelican on November 02, 2014, 09:55:18 AM

Title: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on November 02, 2014, 09:55:18 AM
Hi there folks,

I'm excited about this new camera but I will buy mine at December which is long time to wait without any info so if you have a 7DII already please share your experiences and thoughts about it.
Also very interested to port ML to it.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pileot on November 05, 2014, 05:28:30 AM
Lots of reviews online.

I figure I'm one of the first in my area to get one, been on the pre-order list since forever ago. Five consecutive 0s in my serial number lol.

10FPS is amazing. Was really missing it when I upgraded to the 5D3. Such a beautiful sound.
Frame rate doesnt suffer immensely when you have a SD card inserted. Used with a UHS SD card pictures transferred fast. not sure HOW fast since there is no ML yet, but its fast.
the grip feels sharper than the 5D3, it fits in your hand very snugly, somehow it just feels BETTER than the 5D3 (which is already a step ahead of the 7D Mk I in my opinion)
Silent shutter is super quiet and reasonably fast. Like, library quiet. lol.
ISO performance is greatly improved. Anyone saying its just a re-hashed 70D sensor needs to boil their bottom. Images are fantastic!
AF system reaches further to the sides, tho not far enough up and down in my opinion. Still, its an improvment and its pretty excellent.
SO MANY SETTINGS. Im going to be reading and re-reading this manual for months making sure I know the ins and outs of this camera. So many little features.
LEVEL IN THE VIEWFINDER?!? Yes please!  Always on level in the viewfinder, among other useful information making full use of the transparent LCD display.
The list goes on and on and on, this is an upgrade to the 7D in every way.

ONLY GRIPE so far: They COULD have put a touchscreen on it. Im not sad its not a flippy screen, those have their place but not in a high end camera IMO, and a touchscreen COULD be useful for video or live view focusing while not creating extra bulk or interfering with weather sealing.

Oh, and they could have kept the old battery and wifi grips instead of charging another ludicrous $800 for a wifi grip. Im going to be seriously looking into other options, that's for sure.

Last tiny gripe is that the raw files dont work anywhere (yet) tho that will be fixed next update, reportedly.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on November 05, 2014, 08:20:38 AM
Thanks for the report!
I'm curious what card speed it can fully utilise. I'm planning to buy the 160 mb/s cf and the 95 mb/s SD from sandisk but maybe the camera's interface is not fast enough especially the SD interface like in other canon cameras.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: HondaATC on November 07, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
I'm really interested in the 7D mkii also - looking to upgrade body finally and kind of stuck inbetween getting a 7d mkii or just springing a few hundred extra and getting a used 5d iii. Magic Lantern is playing a big part of my decision making process although I've heard extremely good reviews about the 7d mkii so far  :D
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: rpt on November 08, 2014, 02:21:06 AM
Lots of discussions on the Canon Rumours site. Take a look there.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: dlrpgmsvc on November 08, 2014, 12:40:39 PM
Not so enthusiastic for quality improvements: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Canon/EOS-7D-Mark-II    :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: rgilman on November 23, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
DXO's score is heavily weighted to low ISO. For a good discussion of why this may not be so important to the 7D2, take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTuBr0W0Zhw.

For an deeper look at the considerable quality in the 7D2 sensor that Magic Lantern might be able to tap, take a look at Roger Clark's analysis. (http://www.clarkvision.com/reviews/evaluation-canon-7dii/index.html)

There's a lot to like about the 7D2 and Magic Lantern would be a fantastic addition.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on December 05, 2014, 02:45:09 PM
I've got my camera yesterday and I'm eagerly waiting to try it (today is another day with traveling to the rainforest).
It has fw version 1.0.2

Another review:
http://www.clarkvision.com/reviews/evaluation-canon-7dii/

“The data shown here for the Canon 7D Mark II indicate that the camera is operating at near perfect levels for the sensor with lower apparent read noise and impressively low pattern noise compared to all other current Canon cameras tested and better than that in the 7D Mark I. This means that for high signals, noise is dominated by photon statistics. Sensitivity is improved 14% over the 7D Mark 1, and the sensitivity per square micron is the highest that I have measured for any Canon camera to date.

The approximately 10x lower thermal dark current is a game changing factor, making this camera the top Canon camera for long exposure low light photography that I have tested. The superb autofocus system, comparable to Canon 1D series pro cameras with 65 autofocus points is another game changing innovation, as the camera is at a price point that is affordable to more people.”
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: STXX7D2 on December 11, 2014, 06:32:33 PM
Hi ! I have the 7D2 since 15 days

Very nice !

A question about Magic lantern :

Do you know when the 7DmkII port coming ? Some news ?

Thxs

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 11, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
Top of page -> User Guide -> FAQ -> Section "Troll Questions" -> Last one
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on December 12, 2014, 01:24:23 AM
(http://pel.hu/tn/pel.hu.blog.0015.01.7D000825.jpg) (http://pel.hu/pic/pel.hu.blog.0015.01.7D000825.jpg)
(http://pel.hu/tn/pel.hu.blog.0017.01.7D001316.jpg) (http://pel.hu/pic/pel.hu.blog.0017.01.7D001316.jpg)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Danne on December 12, 2014, 10:24:08 AM
The bat picture. Perfection.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Greg on December 27, 2014, 02:15:54 PM
It seems that the 7D2 is the first Canon camera with SD slot faster than 45MB/s

SD SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s - http://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/canon-7d-mark-ii/fastest-sd-cf-card-comparison/
74.9MB/s  :o

So CF + SD will be about 175 - 200MB/s
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on January 02, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
The 7D Mark II is just short of being my ideal camera.  The only 2 things I want that it lacks is a touchscreen for touch AF and a sensor big enough to capture raw video at 1920 width.  It's unfortunate that the CF slot is fast enough to record full 1920x1080 raw like the 5D3, but the sensor is just a hair too small to reach 1920.  The max width will be 1824, which is obviously close but still not pixel-for-pixel after stretching (unless I'm misunderstanding something about how ML raw video works).  Because of these 2 things, I don't think it's worth the money to me, even if ML was ported to it. I guess I keep waiting!  :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: dmilligan on January 02, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
but the sensor is just a hair too small to reach 1920.  The max width will be 1824, which is obviously close but still not pixel-for-pixel after stretching (unless I'm misunderstanding something about how ML raw video works).
Well, even having 1920 pixels doesn't mean you'll get a full true 1920px output, because of the CFA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_filter_array), and the demosaicing process, which is already having to do interpolation. I doubt there would be any noticeable difference from 1824.

You would actually much more likely notice a difference between something recorded at much higher than 1080p resolution in raw and then downscaled to 1080p after demosaicing, compared to something recorded directly at 1080p raw resolution.

This is all because each raw pixel only contains one color value (either red green or blue), and the values of the other colors must be interpolated from the neighbors. "Normal" image/video data contains 3 color values per pixel, and no interpolation is needed. In this sense it's even sort of a "lie" to call the 5D3's 1080p, true 1080p since there's still interpolation going on.

Typically the demosaicing interpolation is very good, because there is normally a very strong correlation between the color channels. However, it's not perfect and if you're going to nitpick about the difference between 1824 and 1920 (a difference of less than 1%), then I'm going to nitpick about demosaicing.

Lets not even get into potential line skipping/aliasing issues :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on January 03, 2015, 12:44:50 AM
I think the camera has so much potential, with ML it could be a jackpot... :)
The CF and SD card interface is already fast enough for RAW video and there is an USB 3.0 to get more speed.
I'm happy to help any developer with testing, dumping, etc.
I have Sandisk 160 MB/s CF and 95 MB/s SD for speed test. 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on January 12, 2015, 04:03:08 PM
I think the camera has so much potential, with ML it could be a jackpot... :)
The CF and SD card interface is already fast enough for RAW video and there is an USB 3.0 to get more speed.
I'm happy to help any developer with testing, dumping, etc.
I have Sandisk 160 MB/s CF and 95 MB/s SD for speed test. 


Pelican, you made the original 7D port right?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on January 12, 2015, 04:55:24 PM
No.
g3gg0 did it.
I couldn't even port ML from 2.0.3 to 2.0.5 on 7D... :(
But I can help to the more skilled developers with testing, finding stubs, etc.
Unfortunately none of them interested to do it.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on January 12, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
No.
g3gg0 did it.
I couldn't even port ML from 2.0.3 to 2.0.5 on 7D... :(
But I can help to the more skilled developers with testing, finding stubs, etc.
Unfortunately none of them interested to do it.

Gotcha.  It's a shame there hasn't been interest in the 7D2 yet, it could be the first camera capable of recording max-res raw at 48fps or even 60fps with no squashing.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pileot on February 13, 2015, 05:13:42 AM
Now that I have spent more time with it...

The SD card slot is FAST. Not sure how fast, but its fast. I have SD cards I benchmark on my computer at 80MB/s (write) and on the 5D3 I noticed they were slow to write. As we know the 5D3 had horrbile write speeds to the SD slot. On the 7D2 however I notice no slowdown. I do not hesitate to write jpg to the SD and raw to the CF slot.

The buffer is large however it can fill fast at 10FPS. It also clears fast with high speed cards (my CF is personally benchmarked at 110MB/s write)

The biggest upgrade that people can notice off the bat is the viewfinder.... OMG the viewfinder is nice. I love how customizable it is.
Under the hood, the 7D2 autofocus system is super awesome. There are a tonne of settings, like the 5D3, but once you have it dialed in you can set it to react the way you need it to for that scenario. My hit to miss ratio is better than ever!

I can't wait for developers to start working on this gody. I would gladly chip in if a dev decided they were going to go at it full time.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on February 13, 2015, 05:25:54 AM
The SD card slot is FAST. Not sure how fast, but its fast.
You can see how fast it is:
It seems that the 7D2 is the first Canon camera with SD slot faster than 45MB/s

SD SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s - http://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/canon-7d-mark-ii/fastest-sd-cf-card-comparison/
74.9MB/s  :o

So CF + SD will be about 175 - 200MB/s

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on February 24, 2015, 09:45:38 PM
Two full resolution sample shots from me:
http://pel.hu/pic/7D005282_Full.jpg
(1/320, f/5.6, ISO 200, 300/2.8L IS, handheld)
http://pel.hu/pic/7D005225_Full.jpg
(1/800, f/5.6, ISO 100, 300/2.8L IS, handheld)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Danne on February 24, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
That is sharpness!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Frank7D on February 24, 2015, 10:28:14 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: rpt on February 25, 2015, 01:20:56 AM
Very sharp!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on February 25, 2015, 04:32:24 PM
Indeed, it is spot on!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: forrestjr on February 26, 2015, 07:47:38 PM
I bought mine back in Nov '14 to replace my old 7D.  Great camera!!  Very happy overall and looking forward to a ML port.

...but I'm having forward focus problems on all of my Canon lenses...  :(

I've been slowly using the DotTune method for all of them and getting better results. Highly recommend calibrating before going on holiday. Cheers! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zE50jCUPhM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zE50jCUPhM)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: c4v3man on March 20, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
Is there any way to help sponsor a 7D MK2 for an accomplished developer? I donated some to the generic magic lantern bitcoin address when I still had a 70D, but would like to help contribute towards a 7DMKII port. Even $20-50 from relatively few people would be able to cover a dev-cam.

It sounds like the original 7D was a bear, something about the dual DIGIC right?


EDIT: I realize it might not even be a matter of finances, but more of time. I understand the complexity of coding, and am not suggesting giving someone a 7DMK2 would magically produce a port unless they were actually interested in doing the extensive and time consuming work involved.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on March 20, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
Unless you convince g3gg0 to do it -> there will be no ML for 7D2.
He did the magic breakthrough with the 7D...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: g3gg0 on March 24, 2015, 09:55:21 PM
hey.
its mainly an issue of spare time.
we need more devs who can keep up maintaining the supported models.
before that isnt resolved, its reckless to add another model.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on March 29, 2015, 12:27:28 PM
Hi,

I do have a 7DII and and some knowledge in reverse engineering and embedded development. The current problem apparently is that the known ways of getting the firmware fail with the 7DII.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DomeCGI on April 13, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Hi i know is not good asking on developing release times and i know developers are really busy at the moment.

But like many others i really need to have a ML on the 7D MKII .

Is possible to have any general idea on many time it can take to be compiled? weeks? months? 2-3-6 ?
is possible to make a donation specific for this developing?

Thanks in advance to all ML programmers.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: vyskocil on April 13, 2015, 03:52:56 PM
I received my 7D mark II the last Saturday, great upgrade from the "old" 7D  I was using until now with ML since it has been available.
I already participated to ML development for the 7D, mainly back porting code to the main trunk like FPS override, raw recording display indicator,... Also fixing some code to let it work for 7D, like fullres silent pics,...
I'm very interested to participate on a 7D mark II port !
As I understand it we are stuck now on the firmware dumping as there is no firmware upgrade available ?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 13, 2015, 04:25:02 PM
See 70D thread: No firmware update but porting is going on.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: vyskocil on April 13, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
See 70D thread: No firmware update but porting is going on.

Yes, I did and have understood that the first action we have to do is to dump the firmware memory using a signed code, I'm right ?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 13, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
That's for g3gg0 and a1ex to answer, I think.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: g3gg0 on April 15, 2015, 10:46:14 PM
aside from that my main concern is that we do not have developers who provide long term support.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on April 16, 2015, 09:02:51 AM
It would be great to see the potentials in the 7D2... Right now it could be the best camera for RAW video.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Danne on April 16, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
Agreed
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on April 16, 2015, 02:50:04 PM
Yeah, with DualPixel AF and RAW it could be best camera with price tag <3k$, but probably never happen.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: dienossa on April 17, 2015, 04:03:19 AM
Stepping up from a t3i I've been enjoying my 7D2 for photography work but I'm really excited to see what it will do with ML installed. I'm crossing fingers hopefully that happens soon  :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DomeCGI on May 04, 2015, 09:34:51 AM
We really need to have ML run on the 7D MKII. 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ansius on May 04, 2015, 09:33:37 PM
Knowing how the things are happening here, unless a keen developer does not have 7Dmk2 in his hands and a lot of spare time - won't happen. Dual processor is difficult without knowledge how the load is arranged and managed. and for 7Dmk2 it is DUAL DIGIC 6 (5Ds & 5Dr also), so new processor, so that would take more time. And also there are many features that have to be finished for current cameras, before jumping to new ones.

yes 7Dmk2 seams to be very promising, with the few glimpses I had it in my hands and could do tests - I love the results.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on May 10, 2015, 08:48:40 AM
Could a dev outline how to get the firmware?

Right now the only starting point I know is waiting for an update.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on May 10, 2015, 11:40:08 AM
As far as I know the actual firmware dumping method won't work for dual-digic6 (yet to be confirmed for single digic6 (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14990.msg146952#msg146952) @a1ex  8)). So you have to wait for an official 7D2-firmware to be released by canon.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 11, 2015, 01:05:19 PM
Canonrumours have written about a 7D2 firmware update coming in the next few weeks, and that should make a magic lantern port possible, right? Of course a dev will have to spend time on it tho. If it is a matter of financials i would love to support it. I run ML on my T3I right now, and i really want to be able to use magic lantern as fast as possible when i pick up a 7D2 by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Greg on May 11, 2015, 08:56:16 PM
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/05/eos-7d-mark-ii-firmware-1-04/
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 12, 2015, 06:36:39 PM
Sources say the first firmware UPDATE for the 7D2 will be available tomorrow!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: vyskocil on May 12, 2015, 11:34:28 PM
It is already available here : http://support-ph.canon-asia.com/contents/PH/EN/0400206202.html !
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on May 13, 2015, 02:53:55 AM
A new firmware is available!

http://www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/cameras/digital_slr/eos_7d_mark_ii.aspx?type=firmware

Lets get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on May 13, 2015, 06:49:26 AM
Should be out by x-mas if not earlier...  :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on May 13, 2015, 07:52:36 AM
You lucky ones. The fw update popped up rather fast. I am still awaiting one for 70D  :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on May 13, 2015, 09:27:34 AM
It seems they've changed the decipher keys for the updater (or just haven't slept enough). :-(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on May 13, 2015, 09:35:19 AM
that would be bad news. @a1ex can you confirm?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on May 13, 2015, 09:41:29 AM
No. My fault. Just haven't found the 'gaonisoy' string in the updaters...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on May 13, 2015, 10:52:49 AM
pheeeew. Keep us updated about your progress. If you need in any case some help with porting I would gladly help.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: vyskocil on May 13, 2015, 02:05:49 PM
I'd also gladly help if needed
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: canonballz on May 14, 2015, 03:53:37 PM
Really hoping ML comes to the Canon 7DMII. I just purchased this awesome camera for video work dealing with weddings, music videos, special events, sports, etc. It has been marketed as a lightening fast camera (and is) and putting ML on it would put the 7DMII over the top and be what every cinema photographer dreams of! (especially being under $2,000) If there is any way I could donate money to help develop it please direct me to the site. Being a teacher I have summers off, wishing I knew all the dev stuff or wishing I could donate all my free time I have coming up haha  :D But seriously if there is any way I can help, big or small, let me know!! ML IS A MUST ON CANON 7DMII
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Felipe on May 14, 2015, 04:58:42 PM
Clean HDMI out to record Prores 422, No moire , 1080 60P, the The poorman dream machine
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: canonballz on May 14, 2015, 05:14:52 PM
It's only missing one thing  :-X
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Felipe on May 14, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
yeaaa ML
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on May 15, 2015, 12:33:15 AM
Last night, g3gg0 and I took a quick loook at the firmware update, and here are our first notes:

- instruction set is Thumb-2. Juicy stuff here: http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=9992
- both master and slave start at 0xFE0A0000, in ARM mode, no gaonisoy
- both of them switch to Thumb mode from 0xFE0A000C
- during startup, the following things are copied to RAM:
  - on master:
    - from 0xFEC1A798 to 0x00000000 size=0x3C9D (at FE0A00B2)
    - from 0xFEC1E438 to 0x80000800 size=0xB37C (at FE0A00C6)
    - from 0xFEC297B4 to 0x00004000 size=0x37FB4 (at FE0A00DA)
  - on slave:
    - from 0xFE472804 to 0x00000000 size=0x3C9D (at FE0A00B2)
    - from 0xFE4764A4 to 0x80000800 size=0xB144 (at FE0A00C6)
    - from 0xFE4815E8 to 0x00004000 size=0x8500 (at FE0A00DA)
- caching bit is still 0x40000000 (from alloc_dma_memory FE6834D0)
- there appears to be an extra memory block at 0x80000000 (not sure how big)
- MMIO range expanded (C0000000 - DFFFFFFF); CHDK guys mentioned it as well
- to enable the UART console (TIO) on master firmware, patch 0xFEC4DCBC from 0 to 1
- there is a FPGA which handles SD, CF, USB and "SYS"
- there is hardware integer division (SDIV)

Interesting strings:
    OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
    OpenGL_ES OpenVG
    lvae_afledon
    PROP_LED_LIGHT

Still unknown:
- card LED address

Early QEMU logs ( source at https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/branch/qemu ):

Code: [Select]
DRYOS version 2.3, release #0055+p4
Copyright (C) 1997-2013 by CANON Inc.
K289M READY

Code: [Select]
K289S READY

http://pastebin.com/vpPFXDFE
http://pastebin.com/u9C5WfMC
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: canonballz on May 15, 2015, 02:33:37 PM
Thank you all so much for working on this  :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: eborg on May 15, 2015, 03:47:43 PM
Fantastic news! I just donated towards the development of ML and encourage others to do same  ;)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: canonballz on May 15, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Can you give link?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: eborg on May 15, 2015, 04:34:55 PM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/donate.html
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on May 15, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
Last night, g3gg0 and I took a quick loook at the firmware update, and here are our first notes:
Thank you! I hope you and g3gg0 can make a dumper for it.
I would be happy to try.

- instruction set is Thumb-2.
So the Digic6 has an ARMv7-M architecture, isn't it?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 15, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
Even tho ML for the 7D2 is not confirmed yet it is awesome to see that the devs are at least looking into it. It is really nice knowing that the devs actually care about the users!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on May 15, 2015, 11:23:52 PM
Chucho has just found an interesting string in the fw:
0xfe1a0912 "MemMgr (Rec4K2K) %ld %ld"
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 16, 2015, 06:09:48 AM
Keep it going Team ML  :D
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 16, 2015, 11:56:01 AM
Chucho has just found an interesting string in the fw:
0xfe1a0912 "MemMgr (Rec4K2K) %ld %ld"

Wait... Does this mean there is a "Hidden" 4K function in the 7D2? Im not an expert or anything, so someone will have to explain.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on May 16, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
no one will be able to explain anything at this early stage. take it with a grain of salt. 70D rom also contains hints for CF card in rom but has only SD. Just an example...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on May 16, 2015, 05:44:40 PM
Holy crap!  I've been away from this forum for a few months now and I gave up hope we'd ever seen ML for the 7DII, but I checked for a new 70D build today and saw this!  Amazing news, the potential for this camera is insane.  I know a port is still a very long ways off, and not even a sure thing, but to see any progress at all makes me really happy!  Right now things are kinda tight financially for me, but I'm gonna try to pony up some cash to donate.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on May 16, 2015, 07:27:07 PM
Another interesting strings: hundreds of COCOA functions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API))

 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 17, 2015, 12:37:31 AM
I just read on Canonrumors that a lot of people have an issue with the 7D2 locking up with the new firmware. Has anyone here experienced this?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: g3gg0 on May 17, 2015, 01:02:00 AM
Another interesting strings: hundreds of COCOA functions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_(API))

it seems to be used in movie functions only.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: c4v3man on May 18, 2015, 06:20:14 PM
Chipped in another $40. Traded my 70D for the 7D MK2 before I was able to familiarize myself with ML. Would love to put this fast CompactFlash interface to good use since the 70D will never do 1080P raw... Especially since the 7D MK2 lacks the 70D's 1:1 2.9x crop video mode that was so handy for extra reach...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 19, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Just placed my order on a 7D2! Cant wait to test it out.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DomeCGI on May 21, 2015, 12:59:46 PM
Awesome news! please keep this way!  Big Thx  to g3gg0 and A1ex! and i go to place some money on it right now!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on May 22, 2015, 03:49:55 AM
Hi,

could I please get access to the firmware?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 22, 2015, 09:57:35 AM
You download the firmware from Canons webpage, if you are talking about the 1.0.4 update that is
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 22, 2015, 09:58:47 AM
When getting my 7D2 (Hopefully today) I will use my CF card in it. And my SD card will switch between my 600D and 7D2. I have ML on my 600D. Is it safe to have a 600D ML file on a SD card and use said card in my 7D2?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on May 22, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
I recommend not switching cards between different camera types.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on May 22, 2015, 11:11:37 AM
I'm talking about the decrypted firmware from those images.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 22, 2015, 01:07:21 PM
A friend of mine said it would be fine and that the 7D2 wont read the ML file. But i wanted to ask here if i can do it. Even though it may not be recommended, can i do it? Hahahaha.

I think they just opened the firmware in some sort of program to read the code. I have no idea tho
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: eborg on May 23, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Hi Infraspace. I use ML on my 600D and swap SDs with my 7DMK2. I get no issues whatsoever.. of course ML wouldn't automatically load on the 7DMK2 (Yet) as it would need the bootflags / firmware to be altered like the first install on the 600D
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on May 24, 2015, 04:29:20 PM
Hi Infraspace. I use ML on my 600D and swap SDs with my 7DMK2. I get no issues whatsoever.. of course ML wouldn't automatically load on the 7DMK2 (Yet) as it would need the bootflags / firmware to be altered like the first install on the 600D

Ive been doing the same the last two days and it is fine
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DomeCGI on May 29, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Any news?  can't wait to use Raw on 7d MKII
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on May 29, 2015, 09:43:17 PM
Let's be realistic. The news you are expecting isn't going to be announced in the near future. I would say it could happen in 2016 - maybe earlier if one of the core devs picks one up and spends some hundreds or even thousands hours of work into it (QEMU boot may be easier to get working though) ...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: pedwid on May 31, 2015, 04:21:52 AM
guys, im about to make the choice between the 5d mk3 and the 7d mark 2, and the only thing preventing me from going with the 7d mark 2 is the compression rate on its video. Does anyone know what the compression bitrate is on 1080 or the 7d mark 2? thanks
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: rpt on May 31, 2015, 04:46:10 AM
Pedwin, may be join the forum on canonrumours.com.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on June 01, 2015, 02:07:19 AM
Is anyone working on the 7dII right now? If so, how to best coordinate so there isn't too much duplicate work being done?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: canonballz on June 03, 2015, 04:41:24 AM
Would using an external video recorder, like a atomas ninja, on a canon 7d Mark II improve video quality close to RAW? Would it be a must have for serious video work since ML is not out yet?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Felipe on June 03, 2015, 05:15:27 AM
Not raw but close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eU84vSsutE
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on June 03, 2015, 11:22:02 AM
Awesome if it will ever happen MLRAW on 7D2, I will instant buy the body as probably many others. ML boosting canon's sales :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on June 03, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
Would using an external video recorder, like a atomas ninja, on a canon 7d Mark II improve video quality close to RAW? Would it be a must have for serious video work since ML is not out yet?

No it wont be close to RAW quality. You can find comparison between 5d3 via ninja and raw on youtube. Also you will never get same freedom for grading as you're getting with RAW footage.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on June 03, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
From what I saw the USB3 port is implemented via an FPGA. If that is true someone with a lot of time on their hands might be able to do something fancy with the world connected FPGA
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: canonballz on June 04, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
So would you say getting an external video recorder isn't worth it for the 7DMII if you wanted to improve video quality with pro res.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on June 04, 2015, 04:36:07 PM
So would you say getting an external video recorder isn't worth it for the 7DMII if you wanted to improve video quality with pro res.

Read again what i said.
Clear HDMI will improve quality over the regular in-cam footage. It's obvious.
But it will be not close to uncompressed RAW if you could get ML running on 7D2.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: GregjV on June 07, 2015, 11:10:05 PM
Commenting to stay up to date. Expecting my7d2 this week, love ML in my 600d and 650d.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: snou on June 08, 2015, 08:56:41 PM
Hi im new user here, i own a 7DII, i cannot wait for a ML version to release about this one..for this reason i want to help the team.
So, there is a way to donate ML team? I want to boost their works!!!
Ty for any answer i will get (i didn't read the whole threads sorry if i re-post something!!)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: rpt on June 09, 2015, 04:44:30 AM
Yes. Home-->about-->donate.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on June 09, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
Hi Guys/Gals

Got a 7Dii here and looking to help get the ball rolling.
It has been a few years but I do remember getting the 450d to respond to the boot flag switch when messing with CHDK so willing to give it a try here.
Currently learning C# as my first programming language although I understand ML is in C.
Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on June 11, 2015, 11:33:07 PM
Ok I have looked into this a bit more and it seems canon has added AES encryption to the loader and the firmware so will no longer work with dissect and decrypt.

From what I understand this key is not going to be disclosed by the group and so is going to be a non starter for anyone outside of the group who wants to decrypt the image to work on it.

I guess Pelican is on the inside of the group now as he has managed to decode it?

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on June 25, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Any updates? It seemed like some of you guys started toying with the new software a couple of weeks ago?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on June 28, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath for it.  ML development is extremely short-handed these days :/
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 29, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
Unfortunately, nobody is working on the 7D2 ML (as I know).
Not even a firmware dumper is available.
We have only the updater file which contains a big part of the code, so if somebody want to do something he can start with that.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 29, 2015, 05:59:49 PM
Or she...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 30, 2015, 10:31:41 AM
Do you know any female ML developer?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Frank7D on June 30, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
It's a little hard to determine gender on the www.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on June 30, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
Woof-woof!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: menoc on July 07, 2015, 09:55:12 AM
I got my 7DII last week and had a chance to take take it for a spin over the weekend. It's a superb camera for stills - from the autofocus to the frame rates, to the 16000 native ISO! It's a great Camera! I slapped the Sigma 18-35 F1.8 Art on it and the images are beautiful.

The video capability though was disappointing. It is as bad as the h.264 video on the 5DMIII. But we all know that what Canon gives us is not what is really under the hood and I am willing to bet that Magic Lantern RAW on this camera will be as good as - if not better than - the 5DMIII. The 7DMII in my view is to the 5DMIII what the 50D was to the 5DMII - just a smaller version of the same camera. Video will truly shine on this camera once ML is running on it. Focus tracking especially is going to be really useful for RAW video.

For now I will continue to use the 50D as my RAW workhorse but I think ML RAW on the 7DMII will be a leap!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: foobarbarian on July 16, 2015, 03:29:28 AM
Any chance to get a 7DII version of the linux mod?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: jesjewal on August 07, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Bump
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: great times on September 01, 2015, 06:05:24 PM
Is it possible for the 7D mark ii to shoot 1080p at 120fps, or 4k 60? Just curious.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Felipe on September 01, 2015, 06:34:11 PM
NO
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on September 03, 2015, 03:34:56 PM
1080 120fps would be a dream for BMX footage. 4K would be a dream for clients, hahaha. RAW is a must have.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on September 07, 2015, 11:33:02 PM
Waiting  :'(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on September 08, 2015, 12:28:10 PM
Don't hold your breath...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: lebuenski on September 09, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
New Firmware for 7DII

http://www.canonrumors.com/firmware-canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-v1-05/
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on September 09, 2015, 05:55:44 PM
New Firmware for 7DII

http://www.canonrumors.com/firmware-canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-v1-05/

Thanks Man  8)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ali on September 11, 2015, 04:43:10 PM
 :D thanx for new firmware man....
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: gsanchez922 on September 16, 2015, 08:34:18 AM
Hello guys I will sell my 70D because I was hoping more from Raw video and I think is not enough 1600x600 at 2.67:1 continue is the best resolution that I can use in my 70D but the question is wait for ML 7D2 or get a 5D2
 and I would like to know how good is work those camara in high ISO? thanks
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on September 16, 2015, 08:45:06 AM
If there is no dev working on it do not hold your breath. Act like there will be no ML for your cam ever.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: javapop on September 19, 2015, 07:10:44 PM
I am a new owner of a 7D2. One of my favorite things on the 6D port was the GPS hack. Unfortunately, the 7D2 is plagued by the same issue. If you don't turn it off; it continues sucking juice from the battery.

Focus peaking is another thing I love on the 6D build, and would love to see on the 7D2.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: filmguy5 on September 25, 2015, 06:12:43 PM
Dang,  I've had Magic Lantern on my T3i for years and love it.    I just purchased a 7dM2 and wanted to use some of the same amazing tools.   Amongst other things, I love that I have expanded aperture ranges and that I can access all of my exposure settings in one place.    Soooo....  Looks like this is going to take awhile... If ever.   I'm disappointed as using the Magic Lantern Tools actually factored into why I continue to buy and use Canon Camera's. 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: dienossa on September 26, 2015, 08:17:56 PM
Dang,  I've had Magic Lantern on my T3i for years and love it.    I just purchased a 7dM2 and wanted to use some of the same amazing tools.   Amongst other things, I love that I have expanded aperture ranges and that I can access all of my exposure settings in one place.    Soooo....  Looks like this is going to take awhile... If ever.   I'm disappointed as using the Magic Lantern Tools actually factored into why I continue to buy and use Canon Camera's. 


Exactly my same story.. I wish I had done better research before  :'(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on October 02, 2015, 04:51:36 PM
Looks like it will take a while? More like it looks like it'll never happen at all.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on October 02, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
Or scoop up a solid used 7D for $300-$500 while you're at it...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on October 27, 2015, 03:16:34 PM
Is it possible to get a word from the developers if this is even something that is on their mind at all?... I am starting to consider getting myself a GH4 as the 7D2 ML possibilities are looking kind of dark... Chose a 7D2 over a GH4 with ML in mind.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 27, 2015, 03:25:53 PM
I'm not a developer but if there is no port for your cam I suggest acting like there will be no port ever.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: menoc on October 29, 2015, 01:41:16 AM
This is going to be like the 7D. It was a loooong time before it got ML.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: menoc on October 29, 2015, 01:45:49 AM
Right now, it seems to me that ML is putting all it's efforts in developing for Apertus. You can sort of tell because of little news coming from ML in the longest I can remember . . . or they could be holding out for maximum shock and awe...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on October 31, 2015, 03:53:00 AM
SO... Waiting or convert to A7sii :/ 14bit uncompressed raw pictures 5 axis stabilizer.... internal 4K recording..and S-Log3..
. Im dying here  :'(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on November 01, 2015, 07:40:30 PM
Is it possible to get a word from the developers if this is even something that is on their mind at all?

I'm not tempted to get a 7D2 myself, but I'll continue to experiment with it in QEMU, and I'll also try to print Hello World. This is a low-priority task for me, so I can't promise anything.

My available time dropped a lot lately, and it's not because of Apertus. The proof is left as an exercise to the reader (hint: Apertus is open source). I actually hope that, once (if) I'll start working with them, I'll get more time for ML as well.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: kaptainkatsu on November 10, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
I have a 70D and bought a 7DM2 as my primary sports body and I would be very interested in magic lantern for the 7DM2. But considering I already have a 70D to use as my video rig/second body, it wouldn't be a priority.

Devs, keep doing what you are doing.

Everyone else, be patient.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on November 26, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
Anything ! :-\
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on December 04, 2015, 04:18:15 AM
Anything ! :-\

Don't hold your breath, if it ever gets ML (and thats a big IF) it wont be for quite a long time.  I don't think anybody is even working on it at all right now, save for maybe Alex spending a little time in QEMU here and there. An ML 7D2 would likely be the best ML cam since the ML 5D3, probably even better, so of course there is incentive.  But ML development isn't what it used to be, it's more about maintaining the cameras that already have it at this point.

By the time ML is ported to the 7D2 the camera will likely be a whole lot cheaper, at which point it will be a great cam to get.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on December 04, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
After getting used what is ML RAW, there's no real point to use any Canon cameras without it. At least for video it's 100%
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: PanzerMamba on December 07, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
B&H price drop?  $1049?
http://www.canonrumors.com/deal-canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-dslrpixma-pro-100-printer-kit-1049-reg-1399/
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on December 16, 2015, 08:42:59 AM
How many 7D2 users are in here? If we can prove that we are many enough maybe that will help.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on December 16, 2015, 08:51:17 AM
B&H price drop?  $1049?
http://www.canonrumors.com/deal-canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-dslrpixma-pro-100-printer-kit-1049-reg-1399/

Of course it will drop. Who needs plain Canon bodies w/o ML RAW?! :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 16, 2015, 09:20:12 AM
How many 7D2 users are in here? If we can prove that we are many enough maybe that will help.

Nope. Just demanding support will not help finding a maintainer.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Rich-Simmo on December 17, 2015, 01:16:46 AM
I own the original 7D and now have the 7D2. Initially, I was happily shooting MLV on the 7D, then, it stopped recognizing the 64GB 1000x Komputerbay cards I bought :( So, if anyone has any ideas how to fix that, please do let me know. Ultimately, I hope that there is ML for the 7D2. That might keep me from selling it to buy a Sony A7R2 next year some time ;)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 17, 2015, 07:07:37 AM
Ask 7D related question in 7D thread or open a new thread in "General Help Q&A".
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: kaptainkatsu on December 21, 2015, 02:08:12 AM
I am about to sell my 70D and get a second 7D Mark II due to the fact I need a faster camera for sports. After the second week of January I won't really need a second body for a few months so I would be willing to loan my second 7Dm2. But if a few people are willing to pool a bunch of money to buy a developer a body, I would throw down $100-200 to do so.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: budafilms on December 21, 2015, 02:54:06 AM
This is not a place to sell cameras. It's a thread with important information for us.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: arrinkiiii on December 21, 2015, 04:37:39 PM
Maybe some one can move this post to there one place.

I think is a good deal, if some one want to port ML to the 7D II =)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on December 22, 2015, 10:03:42 AM
This is not a place to sell cameras. It's a thread with important information for us.

Pretty sure hes not trying to sell us his camera. All he said is that he could loan them his camera or us 7D2 users could buy a new 7D2 for the devs.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: kaptainkatsu on December 23, 2015, 02:25:22 AM
No I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm willing to loan my second 7d2 for a few months. Or I think what would be a better long term solution is to pool money and buy a permanent development body
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: budafilms on December 23, 2015, 03:58:12 AM
@Infraspace @kaptainkatsu

Ok, my apologies.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Greg on December 23, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
I'm willing to loan my second 7d2 for a few months.

What when your 7D2 will be permanently damaged by the developer?  :o
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 23, 2015, 02:57:20 PM
Hypothetical. It wouldn't happen because - at time of writing - no dev is able/willing to port 7D2 on top of the workload they already have.
<macro: Sermon>  Money is *not* the problem. Community funded some tools in the past without hassle. Whenever dev team asked for something they were not able to afford the forum made it happen.

If you want a port running: Get/become a maintainer willing and able to put several hundred hours into it.</macro>
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on January 05, 2016, 07:27:58 AM
Real bummer that nobody is working on this. The 7D Mark II would be the most amazing Raw video camera, so much potential. If I knew how to get into the firmware, I would totally get going on it myself. I sure hope more developers come on board to maintain and work on new ports.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: harryprayiv on January 05, 2016, 07:48:16 AM
Agreed.  I feel really bad because I have recommended it to many and now I look like an idiot.  Now, I'm going to have to get an Ursa Mini 4.6K to even remotely get that same quality. 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: kirum on February 01, 2016, 09:25:08 PM
You are welcome! Make firmware EOS 7D Mark II MagicLantern
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on February 02, 2016, 12:17:45 AM
Now Walter, please don't yell at me...I'm just talking here.

So, a member over at DVXUSER mentioned that he felt that Canon would soon push out a firmware update to allow 4K recording on the 7D2. His words were "Mark My Words: The Canon EOS 7D Mark II will get a firmware update adding 4K to match the Nikon D500. Way more likely than a quick correctional successor with it. Canon ain't Nikon."

Post: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?340905-Canon-1Dx-mkII-to-shoot-4k-video-5D-mkIV-not-so-much-Also-C100-4k-witin-18-months&p=1986610187&viewfull=1#post1986610187

I thought "too good to be true." Then I quickly remembered a post from page three of this thread:
Quote
Chucho has just found an interesting string in the fw:
0xfe1a0912 "MemMgr (Rec4K2K) %ld %ld"

Interesting times indeed. I was really hoping for ML Raw, it would be incredible on this camera. However, my hopes are now leaning a little more towards Canon actually delivering a firmware update to allow 4K, heck, I'll even go out on a limb and hope for Canon Log. I know, dreaming right? You never know...




Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 02, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
This makes me want to keep my 7D2. Been really on the fence between selling it and getting a GH4 and keeping it. These news makes me want to keep at least for a while to see if theres anything to it. Id prefer ML raw over 4K tho.

Now Walter, please don't yell at me...I'm just talking here.

So, a member over at DVXUSER mentioned that he felt that Canon would soon push out a firmware update to allow 4K recording on the 7D2. His words were "Mark My Words: The Canon EOS 7D Mark II will get a firmware update adding 4K to match the Nikon D500. Way more likely than a quick correctional successor with it. Canon ain't Nikon."

Post: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?340905-Canon-1Dx-mkII-to-shoot-4k-video-5D-mkIV-not-so-much-Also-C100-4k-witin-18-months&p=1986610187&viewfull=1#post1986610187

I thought "too good to be true." Then I quickly remembered a post from page three of this thread:
Interesting times indeed. I was really hoping for ML Raw, it would be incredible on this camera. However, my hopes are now leaning a little more towards Canon actually delivering a firmware update to allow 4K, heck, I'll even go out on a limb and hope for Canon Log. I know, dreaming right? You never know...





Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on February 02, 2016, 11:11:03 PM
After that ''4k" rumor **crosing fingers**
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 03, 2016, 08:46:13 AM
After that ''4k" rumor **crosing fingers**

Me too. Met my first client ever asking about 4K the other day. Felt so weird to say I dont film 4K when the client owns a A7RII. Lucky for me the camera itself doesnt make a movie.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on February 04, 2016, 10:49:08 AM
So .... looks like sony is getting so far this time . The α6300 is a finally here :
.
.http://www.dpreview.com/news/3240829197/sony-announces-24mp-a6300-mirrorless-camera
.
24MP CMOS APS-C sensor with copper wiring
425-point on-sensor phase-detection AF system....... {{WORLD RECORD}}
11 fps continuous shooting (8fps continuous live view)
Silent shooting in continuous drive (3 fps with AF/AE)
Max ISO of 51200
4K video capture up to 100 Mbps
Phase-detect AF compatible with A-mount lenses via LA-EA3 adapter
.
.only for : 999 USD !!!!!!!
.
. i'm defiantly buying one
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 04, 2016, 11:00:24 AM
Now Canon will really have to step up their game. I read somewhere that Canon struggles to put 4K in their DSLRs because of how much heat a full frame sensor produces. With the 7D2 crop sensor heat shouldnt be that big of a problem.
If nothing happens to the 7D2 soon (The rumored 4k or ML) ill have to jump ship. If can be patient enough the new RED raven is a really solid option.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 04, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
"    Camera-specific discussion

Find the thread for your camera and discuss porting issues there. For raw video, please use the dedicated section below (not here)."

-> "General Chat

Chat about new camera models ("when is the 1DZmkII port coming!?!"), DSLR filmmaking accessories, your favorite (or least favorite) picture styles, tricks of the trade, and any other related topic."

or

-> Canon Rumours
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 04, 2016, 12:03:42 PM
We got kinda off topic with the A6300 but the conversation is still very much relevant to the 7D2 (4K rumors and ML progress)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 04, 2016, 12:12:49 PM
Please enlight me how an unannounced firmware update will have anything to do with a 7D2 port nobody is working on.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 04, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
This thread is for the 7D2. And we were talking about the 7D2. Also everyone here is still hoping for the 7D2 port so were talking about that as well. Theres only been like one reply not about the 7D2.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 04, 2016, 01:59:25 PM
You're wrong: "Find the thread for your camera and discuss porting issues there." Talking about an non-existent firmware update doesn't fit.

It would be necessary to find a developer willing to take the burden maintaining this cam. Obviously there is none around here.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 04, 2016, 02:22:49 PM
Okay, then im sorry for having a conversation with someone on the internet about a much needed (Or at least wanted) port.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: pebenson on February 12, 2016, 06:06:21 AM
I purchased the Canon 7D MkII about 6 months ago. I am incredibly happy with this camera. I primarily use it for video and it serves this purpose very well compared to other Canon cameras (even when compared to the 5DmkIII) considering it has servo AF for video, audio metering and (speaking of new functionality that once was only accessible through magic lantern) also has time-lapse functionality built in. Having the added features that a Magic Lantern build for the 7dmkII brings, however, would allow this camera to do everything I need it to do. I'd especially be interested in having the option to turn peaking on and off, to assist with focusing while recording. Bulb-ramping time lapse options would be amazing, and what I was really hoping for was the ability to shoot HDR video. Finally rumors that magic lantern could unleash 4k potential on the 7DmkII would be a cherry on the top.

I bought this camera assuming Magic Lantern firmware would be developed for it, and I hope down the line developers are able to bring the firmware to the 7DmkII. It looks like developing the firmware for the 6D is taking precedence, as well as maintaining other builds. However, the 7DmkII stands to be one of the most powerful Canon cameras, especially when it comes to video, when paired with the added capabilities of magic lantern, and I hope the developers see the incredible potential here.

Without Magic Lantern for the 7DmkII, I probably would have been better off buying a Nikon D500: With the D500 I could get almost all the same standard camera features plus 4k video recording functionality at a similar price point as the 7DmkII. Magic lantern is the only thing keeping Canon competitive on the market anymore. So kudos to all the hardworking developers at Magic Lantern. And a huge thank you for all you bring to the Canon-user's universe!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 12, 2016, 06:16:23 AM
and I hope the developers see the incredible potential here.

Sorry, but you're missing the point. Amazing feature sets doesn't change the fact there is no developer at hand willing/able to take the lead for this port.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mothaibaphoto on February 12, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
I purchased the Canon 7D MkII about 6 months ago. ....
I probably would have been better off buying a Nikon D500
Me too probably would have been better off buying 5D Mark IV... 6 months ago, and with ML preinstalled!!!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mindfull on February 15, 2016, 09:38:52 PM
7d mark II owner here as well.

checking here to see if any good news..but it looks dead.


is there anything we mortals can do? I could maybe try to move forward if at all possible.

but we can't waste this oportunity...

please...someone explain what can one do to help...i offer my time..any guide?

thanks
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 15, 2016, 09:44:08 PM
Do you have programming skills in C and assembler for embedded devices (preferable ARM) and are you willing to put several hundred hours into porting this cam? And being there after offering long time support?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mindfull on February 15, 2016, 10:00:54 PM
no but I can make good coffe.... :o

just thought there was something for us to do...

with all the advances done over this years in magic lantern, I thought it became easier, meaning less things to figure out..unless canon changes the whole thing and is like haven't to start from 0.

To me, i will drop support for many other cameras that might be obsolete by now..but maybe I am being selfish...I do still have t2i and t3i and 5d mark ii....

anyways..I gave it a try.

thanks
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: _OLLE_ on February 16, 2016, 12:00:59 AM
Unfortunately i can't nothing about coding, and I know that you couldn't pay someone to make a firmware. This is just a guess but could a "Kickstarter" projekt be more correct? I mean a "Kickstarter" projekt for the making of the 7d2 firmware and also for other upcoming camera firmweres in the future!?

I don't try to advertise https://www.kickstarter.com/ (https://www.kickstarter.com/)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 16, 2016, 05:15:30 AM
You have to explain your train of thought.
You are stating "I know that you couldn't pay someone to make a firmware." and asking about collecting money for this very purpose after. In my opinion that's a contradiction.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mothaibaphoto on February 16, 2016, 06:56:34 AM
@_OLLE_:
You miss the main point of the "kickstarter project": you should provide any proof you can complete it; any working prototype, or something like that :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on February 16, 2016, 08:10:30 AM
Man, every time I see this thread in the recent posts section my heart skips a beat and I sit up in my chair as I click the link to this thread with high hopes that somebody finally committed to porting and maintaining ML for the 7D2. I then start to read the posts and discover that nothing has changed and I sink back into my chair and my heart sinks as well. Dang. Come on somebody.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: _OLLE_ on February 16, 2016, 11:27:34 PM
@Walter Schluz

I mean something like explained here: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6367

A person called @krashnik has pretty intresting thoughts!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 17, 2016, 01:45:11 AM
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16642.msg162215#msg162215
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Stedda on February 17, 2016, 01:56:38 PM
Yeah, krashnik had interesting thoughts, self serving interesting thoughts, and was told no by just about every developer and the people who started this journey...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: djordje.janjic29 on February 17, 2016, 09:47:13 PM
Hello, I need a little help and technical support.
I recently bought a Canon 7D Mark II and generally I am satisfied, the beast from the camera but there is one small drawback when it comes to a focus group, which could be resolved with the next update.
Focus groups are in most cases only vertical but not horizontal, which means a lot when taking pictures of athletes on the podium, announcement of the winners or shooters who stand in a row, one behind the other, or when you take a picture of your friends in the audience who are sitting next to each other, then you would like one to two rows of horizontal focus points, sometimes three, so that only your friends can be in focus, but not a whole bunch of people who sit in four vertical rows.
To be clear I am sending you a picture on exactly what I mean.
I hope that good people from ML can do somthing abouth this?  :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/Gp5Fxeg.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/vv12rQo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/w9ZEEH9.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/uaTAKV4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/A7UwgOG.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/EUxUTND.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LUwrQv6.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/0EWEPwa.jpg)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 17, 2016, 10:02:49 PM
There is no ML for 7D2. Nobody is working on it. And there is nobody in sight planning to work on it.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: djordje.janjic29 on February 18, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
I know that, but if somebody do a patch that will bring this possibility it would be great, not the entire ML.  :-\
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 18, 2016, 08:46:58 AM
Sorry, that's not how it works.
Contact Canon support.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: djordje.janjic29 on February 18, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
That's what I did. They told me that what I'm saying makes sense and they will take my suggestion to team that is responsible for the new firmware and that is possible that the new patch which will bring 4K video, will also bring this focus option. The problem is that they did not say when that will happen.  :-X
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 18, 2016, 12:12:48 PM
So Canon says they are working on it.
Here is no one working on it and not even planning to do so.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mothaibaphoto on February 18, 2016, 01:21:35 PM
That's what I did. They told me that what I'm saying makes sense and they will take my suggestion to team that is responsible for the new firmware and that is possible that the new patch which will bring 4K video, will also bring this focus option. The problem is that they did not say when that will happen.  :-X
They just kidding you:-)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: djordje.janjic29 on February 18, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
Yap, it can be. I'm getting' desperate about it. I just bought this camera and I can see that it does not meet my needs.  :'(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on February 19, 2016, 06:17:13 PM
I think I would cry if Canon released a 4K firmware update. Come on Canon! Hurry up!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: bouncyball on February 19, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
C'mon guys!

I was desperate user of 7D since 2009 and if not g3gg0's hack for dual digic I'd sell it right away long time ago despite nice photos I shot with it. Just 2 things keep me using my 5d3 - glass and ML (Thanx so much to devs and all the comunity here). Canon makes fun of users of XXXXD/XXXD/XXD series. Look at the ridiculous 80D innovations and then look at sony A6300 for 1K USD. It's a lot more advanced peace of hardware than even 1D series canons ever been or will be... ehh... It's aa... I just wanted to let the steam out... sorry ;)

bb
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on February 24, 2016, 10:32:20 AM
Hi,
Am I correct to assume there are no current plans and no current work for Magic lantern to 7D MK II?
I am considering purchasing the 7D MK II and ML is a crucial consideration for me.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 24, 2016, 03:43:26 PM
Whenever we get our hopes up the devs tell us about there being no plans for a 7D2 ml. So im pretty sure theyre not planning on doing it any time soon. Youre better off buying a GH4 or an A6300
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on February 24, 2016, 04:06:17 PM
Meaning non Canon which would require replacing all my other gear as well - lenses and flashes - a VERY expensive choice.
I think I'll stick with my T3i for now.

Do you think there is any development taking place concerning support of Ml in new models or only nightly builds?

Thanks anyway,

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 24, 2016, 04:18:49 PM
Do you think there is any development taking place concerning support of Ml in new models or only nightly builds?

This sentence doesn't make much sense.

And if there is no ML for your cam I suggest to act like there will be no ML for this cam ever.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on February 24, 2016, 04:24:50 PM
I currently have the T3i which has ML support.
It adds so much more that I’ll think twice before buying a new camera which has NO ML support.
Not all new canon models have ML support, hence my comment.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 24, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
If there is no ML for a cam I suggest to act like there will be no ML for this cam ever.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 24, 2016, 04:53:58 PM
If you are thinking video you could buy a speedbooster to continue using your canon glass. I didnt know ML gives any features for photography. I used to have ML on my old T3i and only used it for video.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 24, 2016, 05:08:49 PM
I didnt know ML gives any features for photography.

Trap focus, intervalometer, auto expo, auto ETTR, HDR bracketing, Dual-ISO, auto AFMA, focus stacking, bulb, silent pic ...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on February 25, 2016, 07:52:34 AM
I only use it for photography and it presents great improvements.

So the bottom line is that it will not be available for Canon 7D MK II, am I correct?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 25, 2016, 08:10:23 AM
If there is no ML for a cam I suggest to act like there will be no ML for this cam ever.

"I have said it thrice"
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: djordje.janjic29 on February 25, 2016, 08:25:11 AM
@Walther Schulz
Nobody wants from you anything, ok, why are you so opposed and pessimistic?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on February 25, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Walter is not pessimistic, he knows what is talking about, and he is patient enough to answer to the same questions again and again.

Porting Magic Lantern is a very difficult and time consuming task, that needs a lot of reverse engineering and hundreds of hours of work by a highly skilled programmer. Nikfreak could tell you about it, it has done the most recent ports, for 70D and 100D.

But new Canon cameras need a lot more extra work: they use a different version of ARM code, so ML needs to be rewritten for them, and also most of the tools the developers have written during last years to do reverse engineering on Canon cameras need to be rewritten as well. And no developer here has started this huge task, and they say they have no time and interest to do it.

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on February 25, 2016, 10:15:51 AM
I agree, programming a camera would take a lot of effort and reverse engineering makes it even harder.

Still, if no one it pumping new blood (Canon models) to the system, this great project will eventually die, it that not so?
After all, the older models will not be here forever.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 25, 2016, 10:49:10 AM
Please try to understand "And no developer here has started this huge task, and they say they have no time and interest to do it."
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on February 25, 2016, 11:04:21 AM
5D Mark III, 6D, 70D, 100D, are still current Canon models, and they are all supported by ML. And 700D, 60D and the original EOS M probably are still in production, and are also supported by ML. So if you need ML you have plenty of choices.

And to get ML ported to the newer Digic 6 cameras (a huge task, as I said), probably the 7D Mk II will not be the best candidate: it's expensive to do bleeding edge experiments with it, and his dual digic processor makes the programming a lot more difficult. The only advantage it has over other Digic 6 DSLRs is that there is a firmware update for it already distributed by Canon, and this makes ML development easier.
   
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on February 25, 2016, 11:23:15 AM
Ok,
Is there anyone working on developing ML for ANY new camera today or no one?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on February 25, 2016, 11:29:31 AM
No, as far as I know, for any Digic 6 camera.  Nikfreak's ports for 70D and 100D are the most recent efforts to expand ML support for new models. Some initial work has been done on 1200D, also, but then discontinued. But nothing for Digic 6 cameras, as I said, this is way more difficult.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: djordje.janjic29 on February 25, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
He is pessimistic and if he already have this forum, then answer the questions or let it some one else do it for him instead. On the other hand, no one asked him anything personally, so he have no obligation to answer, ok.
If people donate, then stop whining, it's hard work, people pay, you do, there's no much philosophy in it.
And of course, existing models will not be here forever and yes if we continue to think like this, then this project has doomed.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 25, 2016, 02:24:30 PM
To be realistic we wont get ML for 7D2 mark II in a really fucking long time. If im not mistaken the developers will eventually have to write code for the Digic 6 chips anyway to keep ML going. And maybe then the 7D2 can get ML too
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on February 25, 2016, 02:30:03 PM
If people donate, then stop whining, it's hard work, people pay, you do, there's no much philosophy in it.

You are wrong, what you are describing is one possible philosophy, the commercial way. But there is another philosophy, completely different: the open source, community driven projects, based on volunteer effort. The developers here, who have created ML, prefer the second model. And they are afraid that hiring a particular developer to improve ML with a paid job will negatively affect the whole community based project.

So please, do not insist in taking the commercial way, asking for donations, etc. This has been discussed many times, and the answer has always been "no".

   
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on February 25, 2016, 02:48:06 PM
More than that: ML dev team has declared to drop out if devs were paid.
Dmilligan posted this one and it pretty much contains all: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16642.msg162215#msg162215
So: Make ML commercial -> Kill ML as you know it.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on February 25, 2016, 09:55:43 PM
I dont think a commercialized ML would be a good plan. As soon as you start capitalizing on a project like this things may escalate. The last thing you want during a shoot is for your camera to start playing an ad  ;) haha.
Edit: English
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Brian_Scott_A on March 01, 2016, 11:52:18 AM
Hey everyone,

I'm sure many many people would love to help the team to create the ML for canon EOS 7D mark II.
Maybe Need donation, quick starter, anythings we can help we would do. It will help a lot of people to have ML on this camera and even if it would cost some things to have it, people would buy it!
I'm not good into create program like ML but i would help in the way which I can help!

Cheers from Switzerland  :D
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 01, 2016, 11:54:04 AM
Sorry, but haven't you read the "discussion" we had on this very page?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Brian_Scott_A on March 01, 2016, 01:32:59 PM
Yes why ;)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 01, 2016, 02:02:28 PM
Because it was pointed out that by paying someone to do the work devs will drop out and project will die.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on March 01, 2016, 02:49:07 PM
However, as pointed out by you, no ML is available for any of the new camera models with the new processor.
This will also kill the project eventually.
 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on March 01, 2016, 02:53:52 PM
However, as pointed out by you, no ML is available for any of the new camera models with the new processor.
This will also will kill the project eventually.
 

I strongly agree with that. People will eventually move on to cameras that you guys dont support and by the time you catch up no one will remember to download ML. Personally I am moving on to a different system once i can afford it.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 01, 2016, 04:34:44 PM
If collecting ways to kill the project helps keeping the project alive: Keep em coming.

Okay, now seriously: If there are any ideas solving the problem and not already excluded (as listed above), be my guest.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on March 01, 2016, 07:36:25 PM
I may be biased. But honestly I do feel like you could start phasing out some of the older cameras. I dont think too many people uses a 50D anymore, and if they do and ML is super important to them they can get a 70D realtively cheap when the 80D comes out. If not they can continue using a functioning build of ML.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 01, 2016, 07:58:01 PM
Okay, let me take this in order (the one I have in mind, of course).
You are taking it for granted that dropping older cams from support will set free resources and those resources will be relocated to port newer cams.
But that is - at time of writing - just a premise and I want facts before going deeper. And pointing out a specific cam may be not the best start. (For example you have to discuss the fact 70D makes a lousy replacement for 50D for RAW movie).

To do:
First: Ask dev team if dropping older cams will in fact help reducing workload by a significant number.
Second: Will dev team take it into consideration to drop support for older cams?
Third: If so, which candidates are there?

Side effects to consider? Sure. If you get a maintainer for a specific cam pissed because it is dropped he may be not in the mood taking part in porting a newer one. And there may be others. Devs will more likely (IMO) going to drop a cam from support if it is unmaintained/blindly maintained. -> No maintainer -> Nobody there taking up the load.

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on March 01, 2016, 08:07:11 PM
I may be biased. But honestly I do feel like you could start phasing out some of the older cameras. I dont think too many people uses a 50D anymore, and if they do and ML is super important to them they can get a 70D realtively cheap when the 80D comes out. If not they can continue using a functioning build of ML.

Bad example.
I use a 50D with ML. This cam records Full HD 1920x1080 at 23 FPS continuous.  The 70D can't do that, because the SD interface is limited to 41 MB/S. And several ML functions for stills that work perfectly on 50D do not work on 70D (focus stacking, etc.)

And keeping ML running on older cameras is not as hard as porting it to new models, the initial effort to get it working needs much higher developing skills and a lot of time. And porting ML to Digic 6 cameras needs a much harder work, as already explained.

Posting hundreds of complains saying "Why there is no ML for my cam?" in this forum do not help to get to this job done automatically. We need more people coding, testing and debugging, no more people complaining.


I may be biased also, but biased to have fun experimenting with inexpensive second-hand cameras. But I think that if someone wants more features for the latest Canon cameras, he should ask Canon. The Canon guys can access ML code, it is public, and they could implement ML's features in their cams easily if they want.  It's very difficult for a reverse engineered and volunteer based project to catch up with latest commercial products, that land in the market at such fast rate.
 
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: cmccullum on March 01, 2016, 08:08:16 PM
I've gotta chime in here because this thread keeps popping up and bugging me haha

The devs said they aren't going to do it, and it doesn't seem like anyone is going to talk them into it so that's that.

If it's really that important to those of you who want ML on the newer cams learn how to develop it yourself then you can be on the dev side and maintain builds and whatever else goes into that.
If you aren't willing to do that, then it isn't THAT important to you.
ML is free and open source and because of the features made possible with it, I know I personally have saved a decent amount of money.

If you're asking for more, you've got to be taking what's already been given for granted. If that's not the case, and you "really care about the future of ML" then, like I said before, do something about it yourself.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on March 01, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
Bad example.
I use a 50D with ML. This cam records Full HD 1920x1080 at 23 FPS continuous.  The 70D can't do that, because the SD interface is limited to 41 MB/S.

The 70D records full HD without ML? If you by continuous mean more than 4GB files thats not really an issue as it probably splits the file into multiple ones? At least my 7D2 does that.

If that's not the case, and you "really care about the future of ML" then, like I said before, do something about it yourself.

I would if I could. But I simply cant invest the time to learn coding. And i know we cant the demand that the devs spend their time on the ML project either, so I do understand if they do not have the time needed. But if they just made a "Final" stable build for some of the older cameras and then moved on to the newer ones I think that would be the best solution over time.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 01, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
The 70D records full HD without ML? If you by continuous mean more than 4GB files thats not really an issue as it probably splits the file into multiple ones? At least my 7D2 does that.

Look, that's the problem with naming a cam in particular because now your case is farther away from being discussed and you are in a "Cam A vs. cam B" discussion" and - because you are missing the point - opened a third discussion about RAW/MLV recording (and this is unknown territory for you right now).
Please drop it right now. 70D is just a lousy replacement for 50D. Period. And, please, end of this part of discussion right now! You are losing ground.

And you opened the fourth front, because going into stable vs. nightly discussion. Drop that, too!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: cmccullum on March 01, 2016, 09:24:39 PM
I would if I could. But I simply cant invest the time to learn coding. And i know we cant the demand that the devs spend their time on the ML project either, so I do understand if they do not have the time needed. But if they just made a "Final" stable build for some of the older cameras and then moved on to the newer ones I think that would be the best solution over time.

You CAN invest the time. If it is important enough to you, you can sacrifice other things, and spend time to learn how to code and port to new cameras. It simply isn't worth it to you. Maybe the devs just don't WANT to work on the new cameras. To me, that's a perfectly valid reason for them not doing so, and everyone who isn't willing to help should stop trying to convince them to give MORE.

The best solution here is for people who care enough to jump on board and join the devs
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Infraspace on March 01, 2016, 09:49:51 PM
Working as a freelance videographer i really cant. At least not right now. But yea, if they dont want they shouldnt do it.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on March 01, 2016, 10:59:08 PM
The 70D records full HD without ML? If you by continuous mean more than 4GB files thats not really an issue as it probably splits the file into multiple ones? At least my 7D2 does that.

I was talking about ML raw video recording, sorry for not stating it clearly. 70D can only record 720p raw, because the writing speed for the SD interface is limited to ~ 40MB/s, and raw video files are huge. A 50D, with a fast CF card, is able to record 1080p raw video.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on March 02, 2016, 07:47:38 AM
You CAN invest the time. If it is important enough to you, you can sacrifice other things, and spend time to learn how to code and port to new cameras. It simply isn't worth it to you. Maybe the devs just don't WANT to work on the new cameras. To me, that's a perfectly valid reason for them not doing so, and everyone who isn't willing to help should stop trying to convince them to give MORE.

I am EE engineer and telling someone to learn code is like telling you to design a computer chip - it is not that easy!
I totally agree it takes time and time=money, is it not so?
I don't expect anyone to invest that much time on trying to decode the digic6 and rewrite the code and as we all agree, no one is doing it right now and probably will never do.
So I still think the only option to "convince" someone to do it is by giving him/her an incentive.
And the donations people argued for and against here, is one kind of an incentive.


Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
People here suggesting incentives as a solution after they heard about devs opinion: 1 (you)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on March 02, 2016, 08:14:47 AM
Don’t get me wrong!
I don't argue with any dev. It's their choice and we can only thank them for the work they've done so far, and for FREE!!!

I am saying, that if this project is due to die, which is the only conclusion possible since no one will continue developing it, then it does not leave too many options.
Canon will never do this! it's against their interest. They DO NOT want to sell you a chip camera with the power of an expensive one.
Of course they can but this is all about marketing and money. They disable some code in the cheaper models or not bother developing it on purpose.

People here are not trying to ruin your ideology.
What people are saying here is that if no one is willing to develop new code, they are willing to pay for it.


Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on March 02, 2016, 08:23:45 AM

Posting hundreds of complains saying "Why there is no ML for my cam?" in this forum do not help to get to this job done automatically. We need more people coding, testing and debugging, no more people complaining.


You're not fully correct there. I think there're more people like me, who didn't buy new Canons only because there's no dev yet who at least could think about try to port ML. It's recursive. Give us a hope, I'm sure there will more people for testing and debugging at least.


I may be biased also, but biased to have fun experimenting with inexpensive second-hand cameras. But I think that if someone wants more features for the latest Canon cameras, he should ask Canon. The Canon guys can access ML code, it is public, and they could implement ML's features in their cams easily if they want.  It's very difficult for a reverse engineered and volunteer based project to catch up with latest commercial products, that land in the market at such fast rate.

Canon will never implement any most important features of ML by two reasons. First they're maniacal paranoid about anything that can cannibalize their cinema line cameras. (No focus peaking in 1DX II, unbelievable LOL in 20216 but true). Second they would never risk run any code that push camera processor to the max and as follow has small, but still a chance to break the camera.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: cmccullum on March 02, 2016, 08:29:26 AM
I am EE engineer and telling someone to learn code is like telling you to design a computer chip - it is not that easy!
I totally agree it takes time and time=money, is it not so?
I don't expect anyone to invest that much time on trying to decode the digic6 and rewrite the code and as we all agree, no one is doing it right now and probably will never do.
So I still think the only option to "convince" someone to do it is by giving him/her an incentive.
And the donations people argued for and against here, is one kind of an incentive.

I never said it was easy to learn (but don't forget that all of the current ML code, and the knowledge of the devs is readily on hand for anyone starting this project). If it was I would just learn and develop the stuff myself just to end this! The thing that I'm saying is that if a person wants something bad enough, they will take the necessary steps to get said thing. If this person is not willing to take those steps then they do not want the thing badly enough. That is the simple part.

People want something for nothing. Funny thing is that the ML team has given them exactly that, and they want more for nothing.
As far as people "willing to pay", the price tag is that of their camera of choice that already has the features ML makes available (don't forget those exist)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
I don't argue with any dev.

You have to.
- Devs told to drop out if incentives are involved.
- You insist in paying is a solution for lack of resources.

It has been told to you several times. You won't accept it.



Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on March 02, 2016, 08:36:44 AM
Donation was discussed so many times here and there as path to nowhere. But why not look on it from other side, like donation to buy camera for dev(s) to start work with? Or it's the same?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
There have been several crowd-funding actions (usual crowd-funding sites not involved) in the past. Cameras and very, very expensive debugging tool licences, for example.
It was never a problem and will not be a problem (IMHO) for the community to pile up more money to cover such items.

Donations won't change the problem and the problem still is
No developer/maintainer available for porting and long term support.
See reply #29 ...

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on March 02, 2016, 09:26:20 AM
I understand all this but it does not change the situation.
No dev will take this job because it takes a LOT of time and, sorry to write this again, but time = money.
No new cameras will ever be supported by ML (probably) which will eventually kill the project.
Can we agree on this?

I am not here to convince anyone to do anything he or she does not wish to, especially not on their free time.

Asking people to learn code and reverse engineer Canon code is an option but a very unlikely one.
The tools and the code here cannot be use for the new processor else they would have been already used.

Can you offer any solution to stop the (slow) death of this project?

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2016, 09:38:06 AM
No dev will take this job because it takes a LOT of time and, sorry to write this again, but time = money.
Sorry, I end this here. Stop talking to me.
In the future I will just respond more of this stuff coming from you by just pointing to dmilligan's answer because it will cover most of it.
http://magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16642.msg162215#msg162215

This is not how it works here.

There are plenty of old threads about ML and money. Here's one with some good responses: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6367

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=6367.msg49861#msg49861


But if you actually post your request, and it's reasonable and possible, it might actually get done.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: janjan on March 02, 2016, 09:48:30 AM
Hey, no need to get mad.

We all love ML and all we try to do is get some hope regarding the continuation of this great project.



Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on March 02, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
http://magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16642.msg162215#msg162215
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Audionut on March 02, 2016, 03:00:55 PM
Locking this thread until someone PM's to say they are porting to this camera, or I remember at some future stage to open it again.



This development project doesn't need more opinions. 
Willing and able people are the only thing this development project has ever needed.  If you're willing and able to learn some code, or help with a bunch of other stuff that doesn't need coding skills (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=12657.0), have some fun and like cameras, then this is probably a good project for you.  If you can't do that, then the least you can do is cease with all the dire claims about the projects pending doom, and then feigning innocence when someone gets frustrated that it's taken thirteen posts for you to get the point.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on May 26, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Some recent findings from CHDK: https://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=11316.msg128643#msg128643

At a quick glance, their findings seem to apply to 7D2 as well.

I still don't know the LED address, but I'm starting to understand the firmware well enough to adapt ML boot process and create a ROM dumper. If somebody helps me with a really boring task, I might have it ready pretty soon.

What I need: in arm-mcr.h, we have B_INSTR and BL_INSTR for encoding the two ARM instructions. I need the same macros for Thumb-2 instructions B.W and BLX.W.

You guessed: I'm actually looking for somebody familiar with (or willing to learn) Thumb assembly to help with this port.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on May 27, 2016, 09:24:54 PM
Keeping my eyes and ears open for coders, might know somebody that can help. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: goldenchild9to5 on May 28, 2016, 05:20:38 AM
Great job @a1ex
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on May 28, 2016, 06:39:27 AM
Yes, great job a1ex!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on May 28, 2016, 07:51:20 AM
I don't know how to code. I'm willing to help. I own a 7d2. Where can I go to start learning thumb assembly?

I have in the past messed with Bosch engine management, engine tuning.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on May 28, 2016, 08:59:42 AM
@a1ex - Got a buddy here who's a coder. Just asked for his permission to participant on this port and he gave me a thumbs up. PM me if you want his contacts.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on May 28, 2016, 09:31:35 AM
If anyone is willing to contribute, just do it. It's open source ;)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on May 29, 2016, 06:29:24 PM
What I need: in arm-mcr.h, we have B_INSTR and BL_INSTR for encoding the two ARM instructions. I need the same macros for Thumb-2 instructions B.W and BLX.W.
I don't know what is .W at the end of B and BLX but uncoditional B is 0b11100ooooooooooo where oo..oo is the offset/2 (+-2KB,-2048 to +2046)
so the macro is something like this
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#define B_THUMB(pc,dest) \
    ( 0xE000 \
    | ((( ((uint16_t)dest) - ((uint16_t)pc) - 4 ) >> 1) & 0x7FF) \
    )

the BLX is two 16 bit thumb instructions 0b11110ooooooooooo and 0b11101sssssssssss where oo..oo is the upper 11 bit of offset and ss..ss is the lower 11 bit of the offset (the last bit must be 0)
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#define BLX_THUMB(pc,dest) \
    ( 0xF000E800 \
    | (((( ((uint32_t)dest) - ((uint32_t)pc) - 4 ) >> 12) & 0x7FF) << 16) \
    | ((( ((uint32_t)dest) - ((uint32_t)pc) - 4 ) >> 1) & 0x7FF) \
    )
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: atonal on May 30, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
I don't know what is .W at the end of B and BLX...

The .W forces a 32-bit instruction in Thumb-2 mode, even if a 16-bit instruction existed. [1]

I also tried to construct the macro for B.W, based on the ARMv7-M specification which defines the 32-bit B.W [2]. Here's what I came up with:

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#define OFFSET(pc,dest) ((uint32_t)(dest) - (uint32_t)(pc) - 4)
#define S(offset) (((offset) >> 24) & 0x1)
#define I1(offset) (((offset) >> 23) & 0x1)
#define I2(offset) (((offset) >> 22) & 0x1)
#define IMM10(offset) (((offset) >> 12) & 0x3ff)
#define IMM11(offset) (((offset) >> 1) & 0x7ff)
#define J1(i1,s) ((!((i1) ^ (s))) & 0x1)
#define J2(i2,s) ((!((i2) ^ (s))) & 0x1)
 
#define B_W_INSTR(pc,dest) \
    ( \
      0xf0009000 | \
      (S(OFFSET(pc,dest)) << 26) | \
      (IMM10(OFFSET(pc,dest)) << 16) | \
      (J1(I1(OFFSET(pc,dest)),S(OFFSET(pc,dest))) << 13) | \
      (J2(I2(OFFSET(pc,dest)),S(OFFSET(pc,dest))) << 11) | \
      (IMM11(OFFSET(pc,dest))) \
    )

Not extensively tested, so feel free to fix and improve.

I guess the binutils implementation [3] could be used as a reference too.

For the BLX I did not find a specification that defines the .W version. If such a specification exists, I'd be glad to see it.

From the ARM page [1] I can see that there are two different BLX instructions: BLX <Rm>, and BLX <label>. The latter one seems to be the only one which has a 32-bit version. Is that the one you're after, a1ex? Although, both the ARM page and the ARMv7-M spec says that the BLX <label> is not part of ARMv7-M. Do we know for sure what architecture the DICIG 6 has?

[1] http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0489e/Cihfddaf.html
[2] https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~prabal/teaching/resources/eecs373/ARMv7-M_ARM.pdf
[3] https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=blob;f=gas/config/tc-arm.c;h=3b0a021a379bc72c21ba8f0c312789fc25dd2d5e;hb=HEAD#l22108
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 12, 2016, 07:00:40 PM
Thanks atonal and Pelican.

I don't know the exact architecture, but there are both ARM and Thumb-2 instructions in the firmware, so it's probably not ARMv7-M. In IDA, I've used ARMv7-A&R, if that tells you anything, and in QEMU I've used ARM_FEATURE_V8 (CPU definition here (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/src/6a2c25d98855fc84496a08c8ad438ffc6528a544/contrib/qemu/qemu-2.5.0.patch?at=qemu-nkls&fileviewer=file-view-default#qemu-2.5.0.patch-87)). I managed to get it somewhat working with ARM_FEATURE_V7 and ARM_FEATURE_MPU as well, but got errors about execution permissions (these are probably configured by the bootloader code, which I don't have).

From what I could tell from the updater code, the bootloader loads the firmware update at 0x40800120 on both cores and expects ARM code (just like the 7D), so we don't actually have to compile Thumb code. To call Thumb functions, I've declared them as "long call" and made sure the function address has the LSB bit set (not sure if there's a simpler way with gcc).

For figuring out DryOS internals in QEMU, I've also used the EOS M3 firmware (yes, it's a PowerShot, but the DryOS core is the same) and the 100D QEMU patches from @nkls (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=2864.msg166936#msg166936) (his changes allowed me to trace Canon's debug messages from GDB, without having to load custom code in the firmware).

For the dumper, I've used atonal's code, slightly modified (swapped the 16-bit halves and turned it into a function), compared it to gcc output (test code here (https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/502a53105b44)) and seems to work fine. Didn't test Pelican's code.

For BLX.W (this is how IDA displays it, for example FE0A0B36    E2 F1 90 E3    BLX.W bzero32), I've changed the 0xf0009000 to 0xf000c000. Don't know where to find it in the spec, but it matches gcc output and gets recognized by IDA (at least for this particular case).

Emulation log for master core, with the dumper loaded: 7D2-master-dumper.log (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/qemu/7D2-master-dumper.log)

Dumper source code: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/branch/7D2-dumper


So, I'm looking for a volunteer to try the dumper on his 7D2 1.0.4 :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on June 13, 2016, 12:35:17 AM
I could probably do it but wouldn't be able to get to it until later this week.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: menoc on June 13, 2016, 02:45:41 AM
I could try this Tuesday or Wednesday.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Peter Linov on June 13, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
I could do it, but I do not quite understand, this is a firmware for the camera, and I can test it?
  My camera has 1.0.5 firmware, it will not work with ML?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 13, 2016, 07:30:59 PM
I've just put 1.0.4 to my 7D2 but I cannot find the updater fir
Should I compile it by myself?
If somebody could compile it would save a lot of time for me because I have no gcc on my laptop right now...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 13, 2016, 07:41:25 PM
Already tried it with atonal, but didn't work. Simply jumping to 0xFE0A0000 on both cores didn't work either (gives black screen).

Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 13, 2016, 07:50:58 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 13, 2016, 08:32:08 PM
Assuming I have a running gcc on my MBP (gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_8-2013q4) and recently when I tried cloning the dumper source code it gives me these enlisted options and wasn't sure which one to choose from via command terminal?

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Last login: Mon Jun 13 10:48:46 on ttys000
Apples-Macintosh-10:~ DeafEyeJedi$ hg clone -r https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/branch/7D2-dumper
hg clone: invalid arguments
hg clone [OPTION]... SOURCE [DEST]

make a copy of an existing repository

options ([+] can be repeated):

 -U --noupdate          the clone will include an empty working directory
                        (only a repository)
 -u --updaterev REV     revision, tag or branch to check out
 -r --rev REV [+]       include the specified changeset
 -b --branch BRANCH [+] clone only the specified branch
    --pull              use pull protocol to copy metadata
    --uncompressed      use uncompressed transfer (fast over LAN)
 -e --ssh CMD           specify ssh command to use
    --remotecmd CMD     specify hg command to run on the remote side
    --insecure          do not verify server certificate (ignoring web.cacerts
                        config)

(use "hg clone -h" to show more help)
Apples-Macintosh-10:~ DeafEyeJedi$

Happy to help with this dumper as I also have a co-worker that owns a 7D2 and is willingly to have me test/play with it for you guys as well.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: cmccullum on June 14, 2016, 06:34:08 AM
How do I "unwatch" this thread??
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 15, 2016, 06:13:44 PM
How do I "unwatch" this thread??

Best "motivational" phrase.



On-topic: I'm looking for a 7D2 user able and willing to measure the current from his camera while running this FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/DUMMY7D2.FIR). It can be done easily with an external power adapter and a multimeter, but you may need to sacrifice the cable.

The FIR simply jumps to 0xFE0A0000 on both cores (which I thought it should boot Canon firmware), but gives black screen according to atonal. Firmware version doesn't matter for this test.

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00800120: e51ff004 ldr pc, [pc, #-4] ; 00800124 <_start+0x4>
00800124: fe0a0000 .word 0xfe0a0000

I'm looking at this option for two reasons:
- I want to find out whether the camera locks up or shuts down
- if I manage to lock up the camera without starting the main firmware (which was quite hard on the original 7D, as there was a watchdog shutting it down if the other digic was not initialized), I'm thinking to execute two code sequences that result in different power consumption (such as entering powersaving mode vs a busy waiting loop). This will let me dump the ROM bit by bit (probably slow). That's because I know neither the LED address, nor how to drive any other device that could give some sort of output, nor how to start Canon firmware.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: atonal on June 15, 2016, 06:49:57 PM
Just to elaborate a bit on the trial with my camera: after trying to do the firmware update with the DUMMY7D2.FIR, the screen went black and the camera became totally unresponsive. Shutting down and removing the battery for a while made the camera come back to live again. Here's a short video, so you know what to expect: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37493196/MOV_0017.mp4

Unfortunately I don't have an external power adapter nor a multimeter, so I can't help with this step.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 15, 2016, 07:59:04 PM
That's a good sign => the camera is locked up.

In this case, it would be best if, instead of a multimeter, one could use an arduino board that reads the current from the analog input pin, then sends the data to the serial port so you can plot it on the PC. Tutorials: for example this (http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/arduino/current/current.htm) and this (http://www.build-electronic-circuits.com/arduino-oscilloscope/) (there are many other similar projects, so feel free to use the one you like best).
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: cmccullum on June 15, 2016, 08:53:59 PM
Best "motivational" phrase.

Haha Sorry I guess I should've been more clear. I'm getting email notifications every time a post is made here because I "watched" the thread at some point, and I can't figure out how to undo that.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on June 16, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
That's a good sign => the camera is locked up.

Excellent progress, guys!  :)

FYI I have managed to get ahold of my co-worker to bring his 7D2 tomorrow into work as well as finding another colleague from the engineering dept at work that uses a Multimeter.

I also do have a Canon ACK-E6 AC Adapter Kit that can be put to use (even if I have to sacrifice the cable) which then can be 'fixed' with an electric tape.

@atonal -- would you mind sending me a PM with the DUMMY7D2.FIR attachment if possible as the gcc has been acting up on my MBP as of late.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Audionut on June 16, 2016, 03:39:28 AM
Haha Sorry I guess I should've been more clear. I'm getting email notifications every time a post is made here because I "watched" the thread at some point, and I can't figure out how to undo that.

At the top of the thread, below the big notification box regarding MLV lite and such, on the right hand side.  "Mark as unread".


This message and yours will self destruct in 24 hours.  Good luck Ethan Hawk.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: atonal on June 16, 2016, 08:15:10 AM
would you mind sending me a PM with the DUMMY7D2.FIR attachment

You can find the link to the FIR from a1ex's post:

I'm looking for a 7D2 user able and willing to measure the current from his camera while running this FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/DUMMY7D2.FIR).
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 17, 2016, 11:56:52 AM
I'm looking for a 7D2 user able and willing to measure the current from his camera while running this FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/DUMMY7D2.FIR). It can be done easily with an external power adapter and a multimeter, but you may need to sacrifice the cable.

The FIR simply jumps to 0xFE0A0000 on both cores (which I thought it should boot Canon firmware), but gives black screen according to atonal. Firmware version doesn't matter for this test.

Code: [Select]
00800120: e51ff004 ldr pc, [pc, #-4] ; 00800124 <_start+0x4>
00800124: fe0a0000 .word 0xfe0a0000

I'm looking at this option for two reasons:
- I want to find out whether the camera locks up or shuts down
- if I manage to lock up the camera without starting the main firmware (which was quite hard on the original 7D, as there was a watchdog shutting it down if the other digic was not initialized), I'm thinking to execute two code sequences that result in different power consumption (such as entering powersaving mode vs a busy waiting loop). This will let me dump the ROM bit by bit (probably slow). That's because I know neither the LED address, nor how to drive any other device that could give some sort of output, nor how to start Canon firmware.
So what should I see on the multimeter with this firmware?
Is it oscillating current or not?
Yes, it  is probably locked, it does nothing (black screen no response) until battery remove.
My external power adapter just died :( so I can use the cable of it to play with.
I'm going to photograph butterflies right now but next week I can test if the firmware can produce different current (3-4 sec period could be easy to measure)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 17, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
With the above FIR, you will probably only see a constant value.

I can prepare other FIRs which - hopefully - give different values on the multimeter. Once we have that part working, we can replace the multimeter with an arduino board and dump the firmware.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 18, 2016, 08:14:25 AM
I might have found the LED address.

Please try BLINK7D2.FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/BLINK7D2.FIR) (should work on any firmware version) and let me know whether the LED blinks.

Credits: https://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=11316.msg111290#msg111290
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: atonal on June 18, 2016, 09:41:36 AM
The LED blinks!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on June 18, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
Yay!

Next steps: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Obtaining_a_firmware_dump#Hardware-software_solution

Please let me know once you have the hardware ready.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 21, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
Please let me know once you have the hardware ready.
(http://pel.hu/down/7d2blink.jpg)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Lukey on June 21, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
Hi Guys,

Looks like you're all working hard, I am not a developer just an ML user, I have not had time to read up this thread very far so sorry for the probably annoying/obvious questions. I was just curious as to whether one day we will have a functioning ML for the 7d2 and what it will be capable of. 4k, raw etc. Sorry to interrupt your coding conversation, I am very keen to use it on mine as I previously used it on my 60D and was very disappointed to see that it's not yet available. Although not a coder I am happy to be an extra pair of hands if anything else is needed! Thanks everyone.  :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: dinissilva on June 21, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
Can you show me your setup so i can do the same with my canon 80D! Please
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on June 21, 2016, 08:28:59 PM
Can you show me your setup so i can do the same with my canon 80D! Please
You need not only the photodiode connected to a serial port but a signed fw for your 80D...
But if a1ex can dump the 7D2 I'm sure the 80D will be the next.
Title: Re: Canon 80D
Post by: dinissilva on June 23, 2016, 12:43:51 AM
Thanx man!! :D
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ericvangs14 on June 23, 2016, 03:06:20 AM
Hi everyone...

I just received my 7d mk ii yesterday.  I've upgraded from a t2i.  yay!

There's no ML.  boo.

I don't have any coding to contribute, but inspiration!  Keep trying.  Alot of us are depending on you.

I guess I'll patiently wait with the rest of you.

Thanks devs.

~Eric
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: CorruptFrame on June 23, 2016, 11:05:16 AM
Ditto.

I'm not a smart person when it comes to things like coding. It takes a different kind of brain than the one I've got, but I'm very thankful for those at ML who do such amazing things. So I just wanted to express my gratitude. I had assumed ML would never come to the 7D MKII, and I'm ecstatic to see that you guys are working on it. I understand that each camera is like a puzzle, and it takes a lot of hard work to crack.

I'll be silently watching and rooting for you.

Once again, THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on June 30, 2016, 05:43:09 AM
Don't know what testing is left but my 7D2 should be available this weekend.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: can-on on July 04, 2016, 12:21:50 PM
Hi

You may have had issues, it will be from ML 7d mk2 ?
thx
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 04, 2016, 12:29:38 PM
Please rephrase your question ...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: can-on on July 04, 2016, 07:11:07 PM
when to expect magic lantern from 7D MK II ?

thx
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 04, 2016, 07:14:15 PM
When it's ready.
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Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hgen on July 13, 2016, 07:31:10 AM
Is someone working on ML for 7D Mk2? What's the latest update news, if any? Thx!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Ottoga on July 13, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Refer the post inmediately before yours.......

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Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on July 13, 2016, 03:15:04 PM
Patience. a1ex, Pelican and some others are working to dump the firmware. It'll get here when it gets here.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on July 16, 2016, 10:56:50 AM
(http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/DISP-7D2.JPG)

(thanks atonal)

Note: this was made possible after looking at the 80D bootloader (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17434.msg169638#msg169638), so credits go to zloe as well :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on July 16, 2016, 05:06:38 PM
Nice!!!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on July 16, 2016, 05:43:55 PM
That's awesome! Thanks for your hard work guys, especially a1ex, atonal and zloe. Great progress with DIGIC 6.

EDIT: P.S. It will be interesting to see the results of resolution/binning/crop mode (once we get there) and continuous recording as well.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on July 16, 2016, 08:42:20 PM
Is there anything we, mere mortals can do to help? What are the next steps?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on July 16, 2016, 08:57:35 PM
I think - speaking of development - there is not that much "we mere mortals" can do right now. There is some dirty (and sometimes boring) work to do poking into the (hay)stack. It will take serious hours (estimated 3 digits range?) to make ML run on 7D2.

But there is work to do all the time. Documentation is a big and ongoing issue. Take a look into Audionut's signature http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=469
Any supporter/mere user with a cam running ML can dig in.

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Bonar_S on July 28, 2016, 07:10:44 PM
Hey, I wanted to know, where your Code for the 7d2 can be found, so that I could start building my custom version of ML for the 7d2 ?  ;)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: thehook on July 30, 2016, 03:13:02 AM
You can follow progress on bitbucket: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/branch/7D2-dumper
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 09, 2016, 10:07:52 PM
The silence is deafening.... Calm before the storm?

Anyhow, it will be very interesting to see what Canon has up their sleeve for the rumored upcoming firmware update to the 7D2. I hope it brings more than just functionality to the rumored WiFi accessory that is soon to be announced. 4K video???
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on August 10, 2016, 03:35:22 AM
The silence is deafening.... Calm before the storm?

Nope, I'm a bit stuck. Trying to jump to Canon firmware on the slave processor doesn't work (I need to see the bootloader code), and LED blinking from that processor doesn't work either. So, I have to understand the IPC mechanism (inter-processor communication, I guess) and how to use it from the master processor's bootloader (the place where I can run user code) in order to dump the slave bootloader.

The 80D will be easier, as I was able to jump to Canon firmware, but there I have trouble with self-modifying code (caches) on the new ARM architecture. I still have a few things to try, but the ARM documentation is a bit overwhelming for me (so, any help is welcome).

For 760D/750D, probably similar to 80D, I have no feedback (I sent a few copies of the firmware dumper, but there was no response from the testers).
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 10, 2016, 08:37:28 PM
Well I disappear for a short while and almost missed the boat!

Nope, I'm a bit stuck. Trying to jump to Canon firmware on the slave processor doesn't work (I need to see the bootloader code), and LED blinking from that processor doesn't work either. So, I have to understand the IPC mechanism (inter-processor communication, I guess) and how to use it from the master processor's bootloader (the place where I can run user code) in order to dump the slave bootloader.

The 80D will be easier, as I was able to jump to Canon firmware, but there I have trouble with self-modifying code (caches) on the new ARM architecture. I still have a few things to try, but the ARM documentation is a bit overwhelming for me (so, any help is welcome).

For 760D/750D, probably similar to 80D, I have no feedback (I sent a few copies of the firmware dumper, but there was no response from the testers).

Hi A1ex

I'm more than willing to help.
I have a 7D II, admittedly limited programming experience (Bit of python and C++) but indepth knowledge of decoding hex in unique applications/filesystems.
(Already mapped out the FW for 1.0.4 months ago then realised they encrypted it with new keys and no tool to extract)

Anyway, anything you want me to try i'd be more than happy to help.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 10, 2016, 11:18:59 PM
Ah, gotcha. I'll reach out to my coding friends to see if they can help.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 11, 2016, 05:13:13 AM
Hi @A1ex

Just a quick update as I was getting myself upto speed. (Installing arm, Mercurial etc)

Anyway, spotted a little bug that might stumble some.
I tried the DUMMY7D2 and BLINK7D2 FIR files and they would not work.
Turns out if you have normal firmware files on your card the selection menu comes up and this triggers some kind of check which makes the two files invalid.
Renaming the other files got the BLINK7D2 file to work.

However I do not have a photodiode to dump the FW. Pity no one has done a headphone output instead (Given there is a photodiode to mic input method).

So i'll be pretty much stuck till I can dump the FW.

Anyway moving on.

I did compile your 7D2-dumper, but noted it only gives me Autoexec.bin and Magiclantern.bin and no .FIR file due to the missing build_fir7.py file which I understand to be the AES encryption to make a FIR file.

Any chance you can make a bootflag FIR file so I can get it to read the Autoexec.bin files as I understand they don't have to be encrypted and would allow me to help out.

Currently trying to get QEMU installed but I obviously won't be able to get that working without FW either.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pierro777 on August 12, 2016, 06:36:11 AM
Hi A1ex,

I was about to buy a 70d to run ML but I'd consider getting an 80d to help out testing, the guy in the other thread that was helping out says he's back tho. As far as doing physical modes or coding. I'm no help. Totally not my field of experience. If there's a chance 80d can be cracked id be willing to give it a shot instead of the 70d
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on August 17, 2016, 04:19:46 PM
Please find a test I'd like you to run on DIGIC 6 cameras: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17714

@JagoUK: normally, we enable the boot flag after being able to run user code on top of main firmware. I could try to enable it on the master processor from the bootloader (we did that on the old 5D), but the bricking risk is pretty high, because I have no idea what to do about the slave processor.

If any of you have a 7D2 body you don't mind tossing out, I can give it a try. It may be best to try on a cheaper DIGIC 6 body first.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 17, 2016, 11:49:22 PM
Hi A1ex

Responded to your other post, as did atonal.

As for bootflag firmware.
I was under the impression the bootflag is a simple switch using a known command ENABLEBOOTFLAG and not sending random commands?
As long as there is not a bootable card in containing an Autoexec.bin the camera should boot properly no?

I appreciate running an Autoexec.bin with bad code could be a big problem though.

I am happy to give it a try if my interpretation is correct.

Would like to get on with being able to dump firmware as I have a photodiode connected via a raspberry pi but the recordings appear very noisy (Might be due to the pi)

Anyway let me know and i'll do what I can to help. I have already managed to compile your autoexec.bin so customising the code should be ok this end.

Cheers
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 18, 2016, 12:15:46 AM
Thanks @JagoUK for all your help. You, a1ex, atonal and others working on 7D2 are greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 20, 2016, 05:19:06 PM
No need to thank me, i've not done anything.

Any luck with this bootflag Alex?
I see you have a dumper for 80d, any chance of one for 7D2? Would really like to get a look at the FW. Obviously bootflag is more important as I could craft my own dumper if bootflag was enabled.

Cheers
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on August 20, 2016, 07:31:17 PM
I've compiled the 80D dumper for 7D2 (DMPD-7D2.FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/DMPD-7D2.FIR)), but given the previous tests on this camera, I don't have high hopes. But you are welcome to give it a try.

If it works, that would make the bootflag enabling process a lot easier.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 20, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Thanks for trying. Afraid it does not work. Camera locked up and wouldn't respond to power button or card flap. Had to take battery out.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vc6s05oi7tp0iz/7d2.png

There was an image embedded, but for some reason this forum does not like dropbox links in its own IMG tags? Untagged it now.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 22, 2016, 11:31:51 AM
I tried to use the blinker last night to get the firmware out
I seem to be having the same issue as Fraggy where every byte seems the same.



Quote
So i tested LCD Firmware... And it worked...
So next step is testing the extractor...
Got no sync...
Looks like every blink contains the same bit...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2f91dqj1xd43t5b/7d2%20dump.png
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on August 22, 2016, 02:46:25 PM
The blinker linked above is just a simple LED test.

I've compiled a dumper for 7D2 bootloader, using the CHDK soundcard method, here: BDMP-7D2.FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/BDMP-7D2.FIR). The decoder is under contrib/led_blink_dumper in the digic6-dumper branch.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on August 22, 2016, 04:18:38 PM
Finally got the 7D2 in my hands from a co-worker. Downloaded and installed BDMP-7D2.FIR. Ran firmware update and now I get a constant led blink (no flashing) just stays on. I plan on taking the battery out. Am I expecting anything to be written on the card?

Also let me know if you still need me to run CPUI-7D2.FIR from CHDK cpuinfo (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17714.msg170993;topicseen#msg170993CHDK cpuinfo) thread?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 22, 2016, 04:21:32 PM
I've compiled a dumper for 7D2 bootloader, using the CHDK soundcard method
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on August 22, 2016, 04:27:54 PM
Definitely needed coffee. Thanks for the reminder, Walter and now I gotta ask the guys around here at work to see if they have a soundcard device for me to use.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on August 22, 2016, 05:16:17 PM
Your PC has no mic input jack?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DeafEyeJedi on August 22, 2016, 05:30:09 PM
My MBP does have an input jack ... if I were to find a 3.5mm jack and plug one end into the 7DII whilst the other end into the MBP -- which software can I use to read the LED blinker (if any)?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 22, 2016, 09:42:17 PM
The blinker linked above is just a simple LED test.

I've compiled a dumper for 7D2 bootloader, using the CHDK soundcard method, here: BDMP-7D2.FIR (http://a1ex.magiclantern.fm/bleeding-edge/7D2/BDMP-7D2.FIR). The decoder is under contrib/led_blink_dumper in the digic6-dumper branch.

Hi Alex.

Thanks for that, unfortunately I have had to order a new diode so will have to wait till tomorrow.

One thing I have noticed is that the flashing appears to stop after 5mins. Isn't this too quick for a 30MB dump?

Shame the dump to card does not work.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on August 22, 2016, 10:26:31 PM
Bootloader is 640K, so I guess it should be fine. This is the dumper that worked on 80D, but there we had to dump the entire thing. On 7D2, I need the two bootloaders, but I only know how to dump one of them.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 22, 2016, 10:34:47 PM
Ah ok, BDMP-7D2.FIR is to dump the 1st Bootloader only (should have read closer!).

Wouldn't a dump of all the whole ROM capture both bootloaders?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 22, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
You need a diode for the sound card method?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 22, 2016, 11:03:25 PM
You need a diode for the sound card method?

Yes, you capture the Blinks of the LED from the Card Port.

http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Obtaining_a_firmware_dump#Using_soundcard_input

I had it working with a Raspberry Pi on the GPIO port pin 18 too but this seems easier. I just cut off a 3.5mm jack off a set of old Apple headphone (4pole to match my laptop dual mic/headphone port.)

I was using an IRled that I shaved the IR coating off but it ended upbreaking after too much abuse so I just ordered a set of 20 photodiodes for £2
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 23, 2016, 07:34:05 PM
Bootloader is 640K, so I guess it should be fine. This is the dumper that worked on 80D, but there we had to dump the entire thing. On 7D2, I need the two bootloaders, but I only know how to dump one of them.

Hi Alex.

New photodiodes arrived.
Almost there, having some sync errors in the decoding, but interesting stuff coming out.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qsopaubye3c5fd5/bootflag.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ky82acqbnnidkko/master-slaveRAM-ROM.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gworqqeu2zrbrem/SD-CF-SLAVE.png

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 23, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
Think I may have found the problem! AGC on my mic port. Now to find out if I can turn it off!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 23, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
Yes, while in movie mode, you can go to the audio menu and switch to Manual.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on August 24, 2016, 12:44:49 AM
Think I may have found the problem! AGC on my mic port. Now to find out if I can turn it off!
http://superuser.com/questions/362343/how-do-i-disable-microphone-volume-auto-adjusting
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 24, 2016, 01:21:56 AM
Yes, while in movie mode, you can go to the audio menu and switch to Manual.

I was referring to the Mic input on Laptop.

http://superuser.com/questions/362343/how-do-i-disable-microphone-volume-auto-adjusting
Problem is it does it in Windows and Linux.

I have managed to get a 217K dump so far
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 24, 2016, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: JagoUK
I was referring to the Mic input on Laptop.

Ah, sorry.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Pelican on August 24, 2016, 02:37:58 PM
I have managed to get a 217K dump so far
Haven't you used the dumper which dumps the 0xffff000-ffffffff area? That is only 64 kB.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on August 24, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
Haven't you used the dumper which dumps the 0xffff000-ffffffff area? That is only 64 kB.

The DIGIC 6 cameras don't boot using HIVECS, instead they start at *(uint32_t*)0xFC000000 (which is FC000008 on EOS and a non-round value on M3/M10).

Bootloader on EOS DIGIC 6 cameras is from FC000000 to FC0A0000. On 7D2, there is a bootloader on each CPU, at the same address (each CPU has its own memory), but I only know how to access one of them. Trying to blink the LED from the other CPU did not work.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 24, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
Too early to put a sticky on this thread?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 24, 2016, 10:59:26 PM
Oh yes, far too early.
I sent A1ex a copy of what I could get earlier, hopefully it had something useful in it.
I will keep trying to flash the whole code out but I cannot seem to disable AGC.
The program to convert is supposed to allow you to use multiple dumps to create a complete dump but it doesn't seem to be working. (Or you have to manually dump the right parts, instructions are not clear)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 24, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
Are you on a Mac?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on August 24, 2016, 11:20:40 PM
Are you on a Mac?

I was referring to the Mic input on Laptop.
Problem is it does it in Windows and Linux.

I have managed to get a 217K dump so far

Nope just a normal PC laptop.

Not got anything else to record it onto (Phone didn't like it either)

I'm thinking the diodes are sophisticated enough to have their own gain.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mindfull on August 30, 2016, 05:56:41 PM


Regarding the EOS 7D Mark II digital SLR camera, we are planning to release Firmware Version 1.1.0 for download from the Web in order to enhance the functions.

this should help I hope.  8)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on August 30, 2016, 06:27:27 PM
I think they're trying to get a dumper on the current version. The dual Digic6 on the 7D2 seems to be especially difficult.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on September 08, 2016, 05:04:43 AM
Don't know if this helps but the new firmware is available:

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/dslr/eos-7d-mark-ii/eos-7d-mark-ii#drivers_downloads_tab
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: JagoUK on September 08, 2016, 08:28:38 AM
Don't know if this helps but the new firmware is available:

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/dslr/eos-7d-mark-ii/eos-7d-mark-ii#drivers_downloads_tab

Cheers for that, thought we were going to have to wait a little while longer for it.
I would advise against upgrading as I believe recent FW has disabled the ability to downgrade FW and currently only v1.0.4 is being worked on. (1.0.5 has the ability to roll back to 1.0.4)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: nikfreak on September 08, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
could make sense to upgrade if one owns the W-E1 adapter agreeing also to dismantle it and solder some wires onto it as well as modify the sdcard door for the wires to hang out while the card is inserted. I am interested in the serial output. Guess it's some kind of PTPoIP but also think that Canon uses some init sequence to identify it's own card prior allowing the communication / wifi to become active.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on September 08, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
Please try: Is EOS Utility 2.x able to communicate with the cam and firmware update menu available?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on September 08, 2016, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: JagoUK
Cheers for that, thought we were going to have to wait a little while longer for it.
I would advise against upgrading as I believe recent FW has disabled the ability to downgrade FW and currently only v1.0.4 is being worked on. (1.0.5 has the ability to roll back to 1.0.4)

Good info, thanks for that. My cameras came with 1.0.5 already installed, I can't find 1.0.4 anywhere on Canon's site. Can somebody point me in the right direction to get that just in case?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on September 08, 2016, 08:00:27 PM
I don't mind the upgrade to the latest version; only JagoUK should stay on 1.0.4 for the first boot flag test (otherwise he'll have to blink the bootloader again).

The tools from this thread (blinker, soundcard-based dumper, and non-working SD card dumper) are portable (they should work on any firmware version). Do they work on the latest?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: thehook on September 09, 2016, 02:39:37 AM
1.0.4 (win) firmware package:
Code: [Select]
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjvh6z4kplrwi2u/eos7d2-v104-win.zip
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on September 09, 2016, 12:45:57 PM
Pelican's repository should do well: http://pel.hu/eoscard
And "win" does not mean that much but win-win: Unzip and use it. OS X/Windows/Linux ...
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on September 09, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: branlday on September 12, 2016, 06:16:27 AM
Thanks devs and testers for all of your hard work.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: scuba_fly on September 20, 2016, 08:13:23 AM
Hi guys,

I'm a (web)Developer and 7D2 owner.
Is there a step trough guide to help me set up for testing?

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: mmellway on September 25, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
The person who finally gets this working will be my greatest hero. Please keep up the great work! I know this is hard but its so worth it!! I LOVE ML. Just think of the raw video capabilities of the 7D Mark ii. Its gonna be amazing! Maybe even 4k too!!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KevZzz on September 25, 2016, 02:10:13 PM
 I just made an account for the forum to say thanks to all the developers who are currently working on a 7DII ML built!
Used Magic Lantern since I got my t2i 3 years ago and hope that it will be available for the 7DII as well in the future.
Until then, don't give up developers, you'll make it!
Good luck from Germany :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on September 25, 2016, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: mmellway
The person who finally gets this working will be my greatest hero. Please keep up the great work! I know this is hard but its so worth it!! I LOVE ML. Just think of the raw video capabilities of the 7D Mark ii. Its gonna be amazing! Maybe even 4k too!!

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: yusaku974 on October 02, 2016, 12:56:17 AM
Hi everyone !

I stopped by and couldn't believe: this is happening! You, Great developpers out there are going to make the best ML support ever for a canon DSLR. For that thanks a lot !
I know it won't be that simple, but I give you a lot of support from France.
Keep the good work guys !
 :) :D
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on October 02, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Hello everyone! I'm curious if anyone believes it's possible to write a dual pixel moduke for the dual pixel sensors, not for the focus shift but is it possible to apply ISO gain to half of the information from the pixel and get a dual iso without resolution loss. I'm curious, what other possibilities does magic lantern have if each pixel can record two different values?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on October 02, 2016, 06:24:00 PM
www.magiclanternrumours.com (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on October 02, 2016, 07:08:04 PM
Ohh Walter you got me good  :P

Do you not have faith in these guys? They were unable to unlock raw video recording, you don't think they could unlock the dual pixel?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on October 20, 2016, 11:33:13 AM
http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/faq#any_progress_on_xyz
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on October 24, 2016, 02:15:27 AM
If there hasn't been anything posted on the progress of it in weeks, I think it's safe to assume it's dead.  At least for the time being.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hesham007 on November 07, 2016, 11:39:34 PM
so. its officially released for 5Div but not yet for 7dii .. feels so bad  :(
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on November 08, 2016, 12:55:31 AM
Officially released? 5D4? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: josepvm on November 08, 2016, 10:20:06 AM
hesham007 is probably talking about this:

http://www.canonrumors.com/magic-lantern-cracks-the-eos-5d-mark-iv/

That is not an ML official release announcement, and does not show ML running on 5D Mk IV.  It only shows the portable binary test (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14732.0), that runs on many cameras that do not have a ML port for them.

And  as A1ex said (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17360.msg172928#msg172928), the first ML port for Digic 6/6+/7 cameras probably will be the 80D port. Porting ML to 7D Mk II is a lot more challenging, because of the dual Digic.


Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on November 09, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
so. its officially released for 5Div but not yet for 7dii .. feels so bad  :(

Forget about 7DII ML. I'm sorry guys, but you bought wrong camera.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on November 09, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: KelvinK
Forget about 7DII ML. I'm sorry guys, but you bought wrong camera.

I don't believe that. ML for the 7D2 may be more difficult to achieve because of the Dual Digic, but IMHO, it would be one of the best for ML.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: eduperez on November 10, 2016, 07:55:01 AM
I don't believe that. ML for the 7D2 may be more difficult to achieve because of the Dual Digic, but IMHO, it would be one of the best for ML.

Being "one of the best for ML" is not a guarantee of being achievable, IMHO.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: KelvinK on November 10, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
I don't believe that. ML for the 7D2 may be more difficult to achieve because of the Dual Digic, but IMHO, it would be one of the best for ML.

There's no need to believe it or not :) It's a fact. The main reason why old 7D got ML port was quite big amount of camera owners and devs with free time. 7D was a successful Canon's camera and was one of the best crop camera at time of release. 7D2 unfortunately not at all.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on November 10, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: eduperez
Being "one of the best for ML" is not a guarantee of being achievable, IMHO.

Agreed, never meant that it should. Just a hope.

Quote from: KelvinK
There's no need to believe it or not :) It's a fact. The main reason why old 7D got ML port was quite big amount of camera owners and devs with free time. 7D was a successful Canon's camera and was one of the best crop camera at time of release. 7D2 unfortunately not at all.

Yeah, I get it. I have already been in contact with a couple of Devs over PM about it, I understand that it takes time and the dual Digic is more difficult. The 7D2 may never see ML and I'm okay with that. My opinion is that the 7D2 could be the crop version of the 5D3 with ML - Dual Pixel Auto Focus doesn't hurt either. Also, to your point about "wrong camera", I love my 7D2's. I use them with a Ninja2 and get beautiful ProRes 422HQ - even though it's still 8 bit, the 422 color space helps somewhat.

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: g3gg0 on November 12, 2016, 05:24:05 PM
dont forget that adding even the most unimportant feature to ML will cause the effort to check its impact on a dozen cameras.
will it boot? will it work? does it cause weirdnesses? etc.

dropping 10 old camera models and make a "new models only" version would make you happy.
and a million of other users unhappy.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Lukey on November 21, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Purchased my 7D2 this time last year for an amazing deal of £800, was really pleased with it but the video was not quite there as we all probably agree which is why we're here. What does everyone think, sell my camera now for more than I bought it most likely and move to mirrorless, or wait it out for this development. I am confident the talented devs will get there one day after learning more about the Dual digic chips but just not sure if I am prepared to wait. Anyone on the fence like myself? Would like to hear what others are going to do with their slightly annoying 7D2's. (I am thinking sony alpha platform at this stage but don't really know much about it)

P.s I call the camera annoying but don't get me wrong; the stills from this camera are beautiful.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on November 22, 2016, 12:53:10 AM
Act like there will never be ML for the 7D2. In the meantime, I just use the Atomos Ninja 2 to record ProRes 422HQ via the clean HDMI out (using Technicolor Cinestyle).
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Lukey on November 22, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
How do you find grading cinestyle prores footage vs the cameras internal rec with cinestyle?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on November 22, 2016, 10:13:22 PM
Just a minor improvement. It's still 8 bit but at least it's 422 color space. Helps (very little) with highlights, less banding.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: gsanchez922 on November 24, 2016, 11:29:26 PM
Sorry for my opinions but if everyone really need RAW video just get a blackmagic pocket or micro they are both 1080p 23.98, 24, 30 fps and micro has 59 and 60 fps.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on November 25, 2016, 12:53:53 AM
Well since I already own a couple of 550D's and a couple of 7D2's, I'd say it's a welcome addition to have Magic Lantern available for Raw and other things (hoping 7D2 version comes soon). If I were to purchase any new camera now it would shoot 4K or better at this point. Neither BMC Micro and Pocket offer that.

I'm actually considering the new DJI X5S with the Inspire 2 Drone, shoots 5.2K Raw.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: zzzthump on December 07, 2016, 11:50:10 AM
Hi All

Great to see some great progress in attempting to port ML to 7DMk2 or 80D. Which brings me to this question. I have a 40D thats got a broken CF pin and needs some TLC, so in the meantime I need to replace my camera. Tossing up on a 7DMk2 or an 80D. Which would be most likely to get a port for ML and could I assist in anyway? I have some background in electronics and can certainly run up some photo diodes/serial ports etc to assist. No programming or debug knowledge however sorry. Unsure of FW version on camera when I purchase either.

Let me know.

Thanks

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on December 07, 2016, 01:17:46 PM
Magic Ball says: 80D will get ported first.
But there is no ETA. Count years, not weeks.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: isko on December 21, 2016, 07:47:39 PM
Hi there,I am using Canon 5D Mark iii with your firmware and many thanks for your works. The words are not enough to explain my respect to you guys.
I want to ask you simple question about 7D Mark ii. As far as i can see Canon will never use 4K option in their Cameras until bankruptcy of their company.  If Magic Lantern wont do something there will never be 4K in 7D Mark ii.  Before selling my 7D Mark ii, I want to ask you that do you have any plan about Magic Lantern for 7D Mark ii ? I am still struggling for using the Canon because I cant left my lens sets, I spend many of year for collect them and there is an emotional connection between us:).
Have a Good Evening
Best Regards
Iskender Sisman
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: dmilligan on December 23, 2016, 02:58:14 AM
As far as i can see Canon will never use 4K option in their Cameras until bankruptcy of their company.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv/12
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The 5D Mark IV is capable of capturing 4K video at both 24p and 30p
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Peter Linov on December 23, 2016, 11:08:56 PM
I'm not sure, but ... isko, he speaks about something else, about the alternative firmware .... no?
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: corebee on January 08, 2017, 04:17:29 PM
Got a 7dII here. I'm in for tests and other stuff even if I'm a noob in programming.

Inviato dal mio LG-D855 utilizzando Tapatalk

Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Metadata.xml on January 19, 2017, 10:37:07 PM
I too, have a 7DM2 and would love to beta test any version of ML that may be in the works :)
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: a1ex on January 20, 2017, 01:05:14 AM
If there's anything worth testing, it can be found in this thread.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on April 15, 2017, 04:18:16 AM
Is there anyone in or around the Seattle, WA area that would like to collaborate on this? I really am ignorant when it comes to much of this stuff but I would like to help and get ML on the 7D2.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 15, 2017, 06:44:13 AM
7D2 is probably the last Digic 6 cam you want to start deployment with because it's dual processor architecture is known to cause major headache.
Some people are working on the first Digic 6 port for other cams.
You probably have to wait long, long time to see ML for 7D2. In the meantime: Don't hold your breath!
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on April 15, 2017, 09:43:53 AM
7D2 is probably the last Digic 6 cam you want to start deployment with because it's dual processor architecture is known to cause major headache.
Some people are working on the first Digic 6 port for other cams.
You probably have to wait long, long time to see ML for 7D2. In the meantime: Don't hold your breath!

Yes, I am aware. I'm seeking someone local that I can work with and she/he can show me and work with me in person on the 7d2. If working on other Digic 6 first would make the 7d2 easier we can start there.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 15, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
If you find someone willing to go with Digic 6: This offer (http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=17627.msg179772#msg179772) hasn't been taken yet.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: hindra on April 16, 2017, 10:20:14 PM
Can any digic 6 camera work? Can I go buy a cheaper PowerShot? I wouldn't mind if that bricked. I've got a 7d2 too.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on April 16, 2017, 10:46:26 PM
Can I go buy a cheaper PowerShot?
Powershots and M3 do use other code. That's CHDK realm.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Ant123 on April 16, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
and M5, M6, M10...
M3 and M10 already run CHDK  :P
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: khrisgarcia on April 30, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
FYI. New firmware v1.1.1 just came out. Minor changes.

Firmware Version 1.1.1 incorporates the following improvement and fix:
Enhances reliability of communications when transferring images using Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E7 (A/B/C/D/E).
Corrects the phenomenon of Err70 which occurs with certain combinations of settings.
Corrects the phenomenon in which in very rare cases the shutter can no longer be released.
Enhances reliability of operations for specific custom function settings.

Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com#ixzz4flBiPYCW
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on May 24, 2017, 08:31:18 AM
And
FYI. New firmware v1.1.1 just came out.

And revoked by Canon last week.
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-pulls-firmware-v1-1-1-for-the-eos-7d-mark-ii/
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: DigitalVeil on May 27, 2017, 09:16:30 PM
Thought I'd check in on this today.  Not that I expected there to be any news on this front, it's just still disappointing this camera most likely wont get ML when it has so much potential.  Oh well
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: ddelreal on May 27, 2017, 10:21:38 PM
Thought I'd check in on this today.  Not that I expected there to be any news on this front, it's just still disappointing this camera most likely wont get ML when it has so much potential.  Oh well

Agreed.
Title: Re: Canon 7D Mark II
Post by: Walter Schulz on June 04, 2017, 10:51:02 AM
And firmware 1.1.2 in on the road.
Corrects a problem after updating from 1.0.5 or earlier to 1.1.1.
Problem does not happen after updating from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1.

Link to Canon USA (https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/dslr/eos-7d-mark-ii/?tab=)